* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AND THEN [00:00:03] . ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I'M CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, UM, HERE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I AM THE, UH, BETTER LOOKING JEREMY MCDONALD TODAY. UM, AND WE'RE HERE FOR THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND WE'LL START WITH OUR SPANISH INTERPRETERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE DURING THIS MEETING. THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR APPLICANTS AND THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE THE, THE BACK, THE CALLBACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, ROLL CALL MICHAEL. REST HERE. MARK ROSS. LOUIS OLIS. HERE. ADRIAN CONTRERAS. MAX HOSFORD. ROBERT HANLEY. HERE. BRIAN SMITH. HERE. JOE LAOS. HERE. KAREN CARPENTER. WILLIAM BURRIS. HERE. JACK UP MORE. UM, CHAIR. WE HAVE QUORUM. AND BRIAN, I WILL TURN IT OVER. WELL, WE'LL GO OVER OUR, UM, OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC. THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS TO VOTE ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING SEPTEMBER 19TH FROM THIS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY. I MOVED APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES. UNLESS ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE MODIFICATIONS OR CHANGES. I GET SECOND MIKE T I'LL SECOND IT. UM, JUST REAL QUICK COMMENT THOUGH. I NOTICE THAT IT'S AT FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, THE VERY MINOR THING, BUT WAS THAT CORRECTED? UM, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH JEREMY IF THOSE, UM, IF THAT ITEM WAS CORRECTED, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UM, EDITORIAL ITEM. YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS, UM, THURSDAY THE 19TH, BUT NOTED BRIAN SMITH. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY NEGATIVES? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS TO VOTE TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS TO THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL REQUESTS TO JOIN THE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, MY APOLOGIES. UM, THIS WAS IN THE, THE SEC SECOND ITEM FOR OUR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS. UM, SO I'LL CALL ROLL ROLL JUST TO VERIFY THE ATTENDANCE OF OUR SUB OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS. APOLOGIES. UH, SALVADOR GARCIA HERE. UH, CHRIS ALVARADO AND CORY PALMER. SORRY ABOUT THAT, SAL. ALL RIGHT. SO NO ACTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE REAL QUICK. UH, BRIAN SMITH. JUST, UM, I, WE DO HAVE QUORUM. I JUST WANNA MAKE YES, YES, WE DO HAVE QUORUM NOTE THAT SAYS, UH, WE DO HAVE QUORUM AND THE MEETING WILL START NOW AT NINE 10. THANK YOU, BRIAN. UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CURRENT AMENDMENTS FOUND IN CHAPTER 10, SECTION 10 DASH 30 AND AMENDMENTS TO THE ADOPTED CHAPTERS AND APPENDICES OF THE IBC ALL ITEMS. AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THAT. OKAY. WE WILL GET RIGHT INTO IT. SO FOR CHAPTER 22, YOU'LL SEE ALMOST EVERYTHING IS IN BLUE. UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF [00:05:01] REVISIONS, A FEW NEW SECTIONS, UH, MOSTLY JUST REARRANGING OF THIS CHAPTER, WHICH INCLUDED COMBINING SECTIONS AND SPLITTING SECTIONS. MANY REFERENCES TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS SHALL COMPLY WITH THIS CHAPTER. WE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT AS FAR AS CHANGES TO DESIGN OR REVIEW INSPECTION THROUGHOUT CHAPTER 22 FOR STEEL. UM, EVEN THE PROPONENTS, UH, REASON STATEMENT IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE NO COST INCREASES. AND THIS WAS HIGHLY EDITORIAL. UH, BUT JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU WILL SEE SO MANY, UH, BLUE CHANGES. THE NEW SECTIONS, AGAIN, ARE JUST A REFERENCE TO A STANDARD OR A REFERENCE A POINT OR TO A DIFFERENT SECTION. THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY. I CAN DEFER TO MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE LEWIS . DID YOU SEE ANY, ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE NO. OKAY. DESIGN WISE, AS YOU SAID, THERE'S NOTHING, UH, UH, MATERIALLY CHANGED. EXCELLENT. OKAY. UM, AND OF COURSE, IF YOU GUYS SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT OR GO BACK TO, UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, TOUCH ON THAT DURING THIS MEETING, OR SUBSEQUENT BUILDING AND FIRE MEETINGS. UM, OR AS A, A COMPLETE BOARD ITEM NUMBER 88. THIS IS A CHANGE TO SECTION 23. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 2303 0.2 0.1 IN THE WOOD CHAPTER. SO NOW WE'RE, CHAPTER 23 IS WOOD. SO THE NEW SECTION A-S-T-A-S-T-M-E 27 68. THAT'S THE STANDARDIZED VERSION OF THE TYPICAL FIRE TEST, A-S-T-M-E 84. UM, WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE 10 MINUTE TESTING TO 30 MINUTE TESTING AND MEASURES EXACTLY WHAT THE EXTENDED E 84 TEST DOES. SO THIS CODE PROPOSAL WON'T INCREASE OR DECREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. IT'S REALLY JUST A CLARIFICATION THAT THIS STANDARD IS THE SAME AS THE, UH, E 84 TEST. ANY COMMENTS OR INPUT FROM OUR FIRE EXPERTS? OKAY, NEXT ITEM. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 2303 0.2 0.6 0.3 FOR FIRE RETARDANT TREATED LAMINATED VENEER LUMBER. SO JUST REALLY ADDS PROVISIONS FOR, UH, LUMBER DESIGNS AND ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE, THE TREATMENT EFFECTS TO BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STANDARD. SO AGAIN, LOTS OF STANDARDS COMING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, POINTERS TO THESE STANDARDS, UM, JUST ADDS PROVISIONS FOR ADDRESSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE DESIGN VALUES. DO YOU SEE THIS? DO YOU SEE THIS MUCH? YEAH. OKAY. NEXT. ITEM NUMBER 90. THIS IS A REVISED SECTION IN A NEW SECTION, UH, STILL IN THE WOOD CHAPTER. SO THESE PROVISIONS PERTAIN TO THE FIRE RETARDANT TREATED WOOD, AND THEY'RE BROKEN UP INTO SEPARATE SECTIONS PERTAINING TO THE PRESERVATIVE TREATED WOOD. UM, SOME ADJUSTMENTS FOR TREATMENTS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR THE PREVENTATIVE TREATED WOOD, SO THEY JUST WANTED TO BREAK THAT OUT, UM, TO ADDRESS WHEN THERE IS THAT PRESERVATIVE TREATMENT WOULD. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 91 FOR HILLSIDE LIGHT FRAME CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS, UH, A NEW SECTION THAT'S JUST COPIED OVER FROM THE IRC, SO THIS WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE IRC FOR THAT. SO LIGHT FRAME CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICALLY ON THE HILLSIDE. SO NOTHING NEW. JUST, UH, A NEW OPTION IN THE BUILDING CODE NOW. YES. ALRIGHT. NO DUMB QUESTIONS. YEAH, IN THE, IN THE SLOPE. MM-HMM. . EXACTLY, EXACTLY. UH, MIKE, MIKE RUSH. YOU SAID WHEN IT'S COPIED OVER FROM THE IRC, IT'S, IT A PREVIOUS VERSION OF IRC? NOT, NOT A CHANGE IN THE I RRC THAT WE HAVE NO, NO. NOT A CHANGE IN THE IRC. YEAH. AND WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE GO OVER THE IRC THAT, UM, THAT THIS SECTION WAS EXISTING AND IT'S JUST COPIED OVER FOR VERBATIM. OKAY. UM, ITEM NUMBER 92. THIS IS A COUPLE OF AN ADDITI, [00:10:01] A COUPLE ADDITIONAL, UH, SECTIONS THAT WERE MOVED. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN BLUE. SO THIS IDENTIFIES THE PORTIONS OR THE ELEMENTS EXCEEDING THE LIMITATIONS OF CONVENTIONAL LIGHT FRAMING. UM, THEY'RE JUST STATING THAT, UH, ANYTHING EXCEEDING THE LIMITATIONS OF CONVENTIONAL LIGHT FRAMING ARE TO BE ENGINEERED. RIGHT? MAKES SENSE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE OR LIGHT FRAMING IN THIS SECTION, THEN IT SHALL BE ENGINEERED. AND AGAIN, THESE WERE JUST MOVED SECTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THEM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF BLUE. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF CHANGES. THE SAME THING FOR 2308 0.6, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 93. UM, SO THIS IS THE CUTTING NOTCHING AND BORING OF DIMENSIONAL WOOD FRAMING. SO THESE WERE KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT CHAPTER 23, AND THEY'VE COMBINED THEM, UM, AND THESE FOUR, UH, AND THESE SEVERAL SECTIONS RIGHT HERE. AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE OTHER CODES IF YOU WERE HERE FOR PLUMBING, UM, AND, UH, AND MECHANICAL AS WELL. WHEN WE GET TO THAT, YOU'LL SEE THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE CUTTING, BORING AND NOTCHING IN THOSE CODES, THAT AS WELL, IT JUST REFERENCES BACK TO THIS SECTION. SO THEY WERE SCATTERED IN, UM, 2308 0.4, 0.5 0.7. SO THEY JUST COMBINED THEM INTO THESE SECTIONS. NO NEW REQUIREMENTS. UH, NUMBER 94, THIS WAS A REVISED TABLE. SO NEW TABLE NUMBER. UH, THE REASON FOR THIS CHANGE WAS JUST TO REFERENCE THE NEW UPDATED A SCE STANDARD. SO THE, THOSE WALL CONNECTION LOADS WERE JUST, UM, REFERRING TO AN OLD A SE STANDARD, UH, OH 8 8 11 11 4. A LOT OF, UM, PICTURES IN THE CODE HERE. ROBERT, I KNOW YOU LIKE PICTURES. I'M JUST TRYING TO STALL WHILE JASMINE GETS TO TABLE 11.4. THERE'S SO MANY. THESE ARE ALL THE SPAN CHARTS, UH, RAFTER SPAN CHARTS. SO IF YOU'RE EXCEEDING THESE, YOU HAVE TO ENGINEER THE PLANS. STILL STALLING. THERE WE GO. YES. HIRE LEWIS. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 95. SO THESE ARE A FEW SECTIONS WHERE, UM, DSD IS PROPOSING NEW AMENDMENTS TO ELIMINATE WIRED, UH, ELIMINATE PROHIBITING WIRED GLASS. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWING THIS, UM, IN USES. SO WE OPTED TO PUT THIS IN THE CODE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT WIRED GLASS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A, A HISTORY OF INJURIES CAUSED BY WIRED GLASS AND, UM, HAVEN'T WE ALLOWED IT? YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? CRYSTAL? UM, GO AHEAD. THIS ROBERT HANLEY, UM, QUESTION IS, IS I WAS LOOKING FOR WHERE, YOU KNOW, WIRE GLASS IS ALLOWED AND WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED. AND IT'S, IS IT VERY SPECIFIC TO TYPE OF OCCUPANCIES OR CONSTRUCTION TYPES? AND I, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, SOME OF THIS, UH, PART OF THE WIRED GLASS PROHIBITION. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS JASMINE ROA, UH, PLANS EXAMINER SUPERVISOR. SO WE HAD A LOT OF INSTANCES, UM, AND DONE THE RESEARCH AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE WIRE GLASS, UH, INCIDENTS, ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN, UM, RESEARCH ON THAT. THERE IS A SECTION IN HERE THAT, UH, WE DO SEE A LOT, A LOT OF THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES, UM, UTILIZING THIS AND THEN SEEING THE, UH, IMPACT THAT IT HAS WHEN IT COMES TO JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, A BASKETBALL PLAYER. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THAT MOMENTUM, THEY'RE RUNNING, THEY HAVE THE, THE WINDOWS AND THE GYMNASIUM RUNS INTO IT, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BODILY INJURY. UM, SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR, FOR THE CHANGE. AS FAR AS THE USES, [00:15:01] ROBERT, IT IS MOSTLY IN, IN SCHOOLS, UH, THAT WE SEE IT, UH, IN THE VISION PANELS NEXT TO THE DOORS. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IN THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES ALSO. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, MS. SAL GARCIA. HOW, HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THIS TO REHAB OR HISTORICAL STRUCTURES OR THINGS OF THAT SORT WHERE THEY WANT TO RECREATE THE, WHAT EXISTED IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES AND FORTIES? THIS IS JASMINE ROA. SO FOR REMODELS AND EXISTING, UH, SCENARIOS, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE, IF THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING IT, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN. UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT MAKING IT ANY, ANY MORE, UH, DANGEROUS, ANY MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, NON CODE COMPLIANT, IT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN. UM, AND THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW ALSO THE IEBC, THE EXISTING BILLING CODE. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS LAID OUT IN ITEM 9 95 AND 96? JUST, UH, JUST A FEW SECTIONS WHERE, ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? ARE WE GOOD? KEEP GOING, CRYSTAL. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 97. UH, WE ARE, UH, STILL IN CHAPTER 24 FOR GLASS. SO THIS IS A REVISED SECTION FOR SCREENING. UM, THERE'S REORDERED, THIS SECTION, AND IT, IT REALLY TELLS THE CODE USER WHAT THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS ARE AND THEN WHERE THEY'RE USED WHEN THEY'RE USED. SO NO COST, UH, COST IMPACT THERE NOT LATE. THIS CHANGE IS NOT, NOT A LIFE SAFETY ITEM. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HAND AGAIN. MM-HMM, , WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THIS, UH, SCREEN GLAZING USED IN FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PERSPECTIVE? PERSPECTIVE? ARE YOU SEE THIS EDUCATION? YEAH, THAT, THAT'D BE TYPICALLY WHERE WE WOULD SEE IT. YOU SAID IN AN EDUCATION FACILITY? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT, ITEM 24. THIS IS A REVISION OF 24 0 6 1 HUMAN IMPACT LOADS. SO THIS WAS AN INTERESTING CHANGE. UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST READ THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANY ITEMS. SO THE GLASS INDUSTRY HAS RECEIVED REPORTS OF MULTIPLAN MULTIPLANE GLASS ASSEMBLIES IMPORTED FROM OUTSIDE THE US WHERE THE OUTERMOST PANES ARE MARKED AS SAFETY GLAZING. BUT THE CENTER PANES ARE JUST ORDINARY GLASS, WHICH BREAKS DANGEROUSLY WHEN BROKEN BY HUMAN IMPACT ACT. SO THIS, UM, THESE CODE REFERENCES, THESE STANDARDS PROHIBIT THIS SINCE THEY ESTABLISH THAT ACCEPTANCE CRITERIA ONLY, OR THEY WOULDN'T CATCH IT SINCE THEY, THAT ACCEPTANCE CRITERIA IS ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL GLASS PANES, NOT FOR THAT MULTI GLASS PANEL ASSEMBLY. SO THE ADOPTION OF THIS PROPOSAL IS CRITICAL TO ENSURE THAT THE MULTI PANE GLASS ASSEMBLIES INSTALLED IN HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS ARE SAFE IN THE EVENT OF THAT HUMAN IMPACT. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 99. THIS WAS THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION FOR LIGHTNING PROTECTION SYSTEMS. WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ROOFING. YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S INSTALLED, IT SHALL COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS. UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE ROOFING, IT WAS REALLY JUST THAT THE INSULATION OF THE LIGHTNING PROTECTION SYSTEMS SHALL NOT DAMAGE THE ROOFING SYSTEMS. SO NOTHING NEW. JUST IF YOU'RE, IF IT'S INSTALLED, IT SHALL COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS. OKAY. JUMPING TO CHAPTER 29. THIS IS CRYSTAL, GO AHEAD. JUST BACK UP REAL QUICK, ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN. UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS, BUT HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT IF IT'S POST OCCUPANCY LIGHTING PROTECTION IS DONE AFTER THE BUILDING'S GOT A COO, IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR 20 YEARS. YEAH, GOOD POINT. SO EVEN IF A PERMIT'S NOT REQUIRED OR INSPECTIONS AREN'T REQUIRED, UM, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE LOCALLY ADOPTED CODE. SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, OR MAYBE THEY'RE DOING A REROOF AND WE SEE IT AND IT WASN'T INSTALLED PER, UH, PER THE STANDARD, THEN IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. NOT LIKELY. SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE. GOOD POINT. BUT IF [00:20:01] IT, IF IT DID COME UP TO OUR ATTENTION, WELL, UH, NO MORE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF POST OCCUPANCY LIGHTING PROTECTIONS, UH, INSTALLED IN INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS LIKE CHURCHES AND STUFF AT STEEPS AND, OKAY. OKAY. ITEM 100. THIS WAS A CHANGE TO TABLE 29 0 2 1. SO YOU'LL SEE THE BLUE ITEMS THERE. UM, THIS IS VERBATIM IN THE IPC, WHICH WE ADOPT. SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T REFERENCE THIS SECTION IN THE BUILDING CODE. I THINK, ROBERT, YOU SAY, WHY IS IT EVEN IN HERE? UM, MAYBE FOR JURISDICTIONS THAT DON'T ADOPT THE IPC, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE UPC HAS A TABLE LIKE THIS. UM, SO THIS IS CARRIED OVER FROM THE IPC. SO WE DISCUSSED THESE CHANGES WHEN WE, UH, WERE WITH THE PLUMBING CODE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND MOST OF THIS IS REALLY JUST A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATIONS INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE FINE TUNED. UM, SOME OF THEM WERE, UH, BROKEN UP FROM EXISTING SECTIONS. WE DID NOT SEE A BIG CHANGE WITH, UM, WITH THESE ADDITIONS. CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT AGAIN. UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS, IT JUST SEEMS THAT LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING A CODE SEARCH ON A PROJECT, UH, AND I KNOW IT'S COVERED IN THE IPC, BUT INSTEAD OF JUST REFERENCING THE IPC, SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOMETHING AT THE START OF THIS SECTION SAYING THIS IS, UH, IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN THE IPC IF THEY ADOPT THE IPC? IF THEY'RE IN THE UP PC? IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE. I'M JUST THINKING THOSE JURISDICTIONS THAT MAY BE DON'T ADOPT IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VERBATIM, UM, OR A LOT OF SECTIONS THAT ARE IDENTICAL THROUGHOUT THE CODES LIKE THE IBC AND THE IFC, SOME CHAPTER NINE AND 10 ITEMS. SO WE WOULD, UM, WE DO ADOPT THIS CHAPTER OF THE BUILDING CODE. UM, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST OUR, OUR PLUMBING REVIEWERS THAT WOULD REVIEW PER THE IPC WHEN WE FIRST ADOPTED THE CI, THE, THE CITY, THE ICC FAMILY OF CODES. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE IMC AND THE IPC THAT TOOK, UH, TWO OR THREE CYCLES OF CODE ADOPTIONS BEFORE THEY WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FAMILY. BUT THERE WERE SOME SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO STAY WITH THE OLD UPC MM-HMM, . I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, THIS PART HERE, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING IT WAS MAYBE REPETITIVE. YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS REPETITIVE. UM, JUST ANY CHANGES THAT WE SEE IN THE IPC, WE WOULD CARRY OVER AND IDENTIFY THOSE CHANGES HERE IN CHAPTER 29. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM 1 0 1, THAT IS, UM, THAT WAS AN UPDATE TO THIS SECTION, WHICH ALLOWED US TO REMOVE OUR AMENDMENT THAT WE MADE LAST TIME. SO IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS, UM, THEY WERE, THE IPC MADE CHANGES TO SEPARATE FACILITIES, WHICH ALLOWED, UM, MULTI-GENDER, UH, BATHROOMS. AND WE WANT, WANTED THOSE, UM, EACH PLUMBING FIXTURE TO BE INSTALLED, UM, UM, IN A STALL WITH, UH, UH, WALLS AND A DOOR RATHER THAN LIKE JUST A URINAL PARTITION. SO THEY, UM, THE BUILDING CODE AND THE PLUMBING CODE UPDATED THIS SECTION ON FIXTURE CALCULATIONS TO REMOVE THE VERBIAGE ABOUT THE URINAL STALL. SO NOW WE DON'T NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT THE URINAL STALL SHALL BE IN AN ENCLOSURE. SO JUST TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT, WE WENT OVER THIS IN THE PLUMBING CODE AS WELL. BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, ANY CHANGES TO THE PLUMBING CODE WILL CARRY OVER FOR THIS CHAPTER. CRYSTAL, THIS ROBERT HIM AGAIN, AND THIS IS ONLY IN SINGLE USE RESTROOM FACILITY. WELL, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE URINALS AND PLUMBING FIXTURES TO BE IN A STALL ENCLOSURE. THIS IS JUST THE FIXTURE CALCULATION SECTION, WHICH SINCE IT MENTIONED URINALS IN A STALL, WE ADDED THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED WITH WALLS IN A DOOR, BUT IT DOESN'T MENTION URINALS IN A STALL ANYMORE. SO WE DON'T NEED THIS AMENDMENT TO FIX YOUR CALCULATIONS. UM, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE URINALS BE, UH, IN AN ENCLOSURE THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT STILL IN THE SEPARATE FACILITIES EXCEPTION SIX, UH, RIGHT BELOW THAT. OKAY. JUMPING TO CHAPTER 30 FOR THE ELEVATORS, THERE'S A NEW ITEM TO 30 0 6 0.3. SO THIS ALLOWS THE SMOKE PROTECTIVE CURTAIN ASSEMBLIES FOR HOIST WAYS, [00:25:01] UH, AS REGULATED BY THE NFPA 1 0 5. SO WE PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED THIS, UM, AS AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD, AND WE WOULD CAPTURE THAT WITH OUR CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST. UM, SO WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT ADD AND WOULD ELIMINATE THAT EXTRA STEP OF, UH, CODE MOD. OKAY. NEXT ITEM WAS A NEW SECTION FOR 30 0 9. THIS ADDRESSES PRIVATE RESIDENT ELEVATORS. SO JUST, UM, IDENTIFIES THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS THAT THOSE ARE TO COMPLY WITH. THIS IS A GOOD AD. IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE PRIVATE RESIDENT ELEVATORS BEFORE. AND, AND WE'VE SEEN A FEW OF THOSE NOW. AND THAT WOULD BE, IF, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING, THE RESIDENTS, PRIVATE RESIDENTS WOULD, IS BUILT UNDER THE IBC, NOT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. OKAY. SO CHAPTER 31 NOW FOR SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION. UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES TO THIS SECTION. UH, 31 0 3 1 1 IS A NEW SECTION WITH A DEFINITION FOR THE PUBLIC OCCUPANCY TEMPORARY STRUCTURES. UH, SO THIS JUST IDENTIFIES THAT TIME LIMITATION TO 180 DAYS AND THEN SAYS IT CAN BE EXTENDED. WE WOULD TREAT THESE LIKE ANY OTHER TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY JUST, I HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT FOR PUBLIC OCCUPANCY, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES. CRYSTAL, I UNDERSTAND THIS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS TENTS, BUT WHAT, WHAT OTHER, WHAT OTHER TYPE OF STRUCTURES IS 180 DAYS? USUALLY SPECIAL EVENTS. THEY'RE UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEY'RE DOWN. AGREED. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT WOULD EXTEND THAT SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME. OKAY. AND, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE NATIONAL CODE, SO MAYBE THEY'RE EXPERIENCING THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT ITEM IS 1 0 5. THIS IS, UH, NEW SECTIONS 31 0 3 0.6, 6.1, 6.11. A BUNCH OF NEW SECTIONS THAT ADDRESS THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, UH, IDENTIFY THAT THEY SHOULD NOT POSE A RISK TO OCCUPANTS, UH, ANY MORE THAN A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, UM, BUT HAS SOME REDUCED DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A TEMPORARY BASIS. SO THIS WILL REDUCE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AS THESE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS, UH, PERMANENT STRUCTURES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER, ITEM 1 0 6. THIS, UH, NEW SECTION 31, 11 0.3 0.5 FOR THE ELEVATED PHOTOVOLTAIC SUPPORT STRUCTURES. SO THESE NEW SECTIONS REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THE UL LISTINGS AND CHAPTER 15 FOR THE ROOF ASSEMBLIES WHEN THOSE PV PANELS ARE INSTALLED ON THE ROOF. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, JUST NEW SECTIONS, UH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN GUIDANCE. UH, THIS IS MIKE RUST. DO YOU MIND FLIPPING TO 1505 0.9? I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS. YOU MAY JUST BE ABLE TO CLICK ON IT. OKAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT TABLE. SO I'LL JUST ASK . I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. A BUNCH OF ROMAN NUS COMBINED WITH REGULAR NUMBER LETTERS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, YEAH. SO WE PUT, UH, PHOTO ARRAY OR, UH, PHOTO CELL ARRAYS FOR SOLAR ON, UH, 1965 CONSTRUCTION BUILDING, RIGHT? IT'S A COMPLEX PROCESS. UM, HAD ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, COME AND MAKE SURE THE ROOF LOAD WAS GOOD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT IT FELT LIKE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY OF GETTING THAT PROJECT DONE, THERE WAS A ROADBLOCK IN FRONT OF US. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ERECTING ANOTHER ONE IF THIS [00:30:01] IS AN AD OR A CHANGE TO THINGS THAT MAKE IT EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE TO ADD SOLAR. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SOLAR. WE WANT SOLAR. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PUT THEIR MONEY OUT AND DO SOLAR. AND, UM, BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE UTILITY COMPANY AND CITY, SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. UM, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WANNA DO IT UNSAFELY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE ERECTING BARRIERS TO THIS, UM, UNNECESSARILY. THAT'S MY CONCERN. DON'T UN I DON'T UN I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT TABLE AND KNOW WHAT IT TELLS ME. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, ALL THE CROSS REFERENCES, I JUST URGE THAT IF THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL PART OF THIS, IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE EXPENSIVE, MORE DIFFICULT THAT WE, THAT WE TAKE CAREFUL LOOK AT. YEAH. THIS, UM, THESE SECTIONS IN CHAPTER 15, WERE THERE. UM, SO THAT TOP LINE, UH, THAT TOP ROW IS, THAT'S A TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. SO TYPICALLY WE SEE, UH, FIVE B OR FIVE A IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AN OLDER ONE, PROBABLY FIVE B IF IT'S LIKE A THREE STORY GARDEN STYLE. UM, SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS DIDN'T CHANGE, UH, FOR THE ROOF CLASSIFICATION. AND THAT SECTION, UH, 1505 0.9, UM, IN THIS SECTION ALSO DIDN'T CHANGE, WHICH WAS SPECIFIC TO THE ROOF-MOUNTED PV SYSTEMS. IT'S JUST CHAPTER 31 IS SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION. AND JUST POINTS BACK TO CHAPTER 15 WHERE THESE REQUIREMENTS ALREADY WERE. OKAY, SO 31 SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, NO, EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY THERE. YEAH. IT'S REALLY JUST A POINTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU GONNA LOOK IN THE ROOF CHAPTER FOR YOUR PV, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU WOULD THINK TOO, UM, OR MAYBE YOU LOOK UP PV AND YOU SEE IT IN CHAPTER 31 AND IT JUST POINTS YOU BACK TO 15. WE'RE WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE OF THAT POINTER. 'CAUSE WE JUST HAD TO GO THREE SECTIONS TO REALLY GET TO WHAT, WHAT CHAPTER 31 WAS TRYING TO TELL US TO BEGIN WITH. UM, SO, UH, IT CAN SEEM CONFUSING, BUT WE IDENTIFY THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY COST INCREASE. AND THE PROPONENT STATEMENT FOR ADDING IT TO CHAPTER 31 ALSO SAID THERE WEREN'T ANY COST INCREASES TO THIS. SO THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION. MM-HMM. , IT MIGHT NOT BE PERTINENT. I APOLOGIZE FOR RYAN, BUT, UM, IF WE JUST SAID IN CHAPTER 31 THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES DON'T NEED TO BE BUILT TO THE SAME SAFETY STANDARDS AS EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NOW WE'RE GIVING YOU HOW TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF IT. WELL THAT WAS DIFFERENT. 30 31 0 3, THE SECTION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? UM, THIS IS NOT TEMPORARY. SO THIS SECTION IS SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION. SO 31 0 3 IDENTIFIED THAT TEMP THE TEMPORARY. AND THIS IS 31 11. WHAT'S THE TITLE OF 31 11. THERE YOU GO. SO WE ARE STILL IN THE SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION CHAPTER. UM, AND THEN 31 11 IS SPECIFIC TO THAT SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS. THIS IS SAL GARCIA, THE EXCEPTION CITED FROM 31 11. IT, IT SITES THE AGRICULTURAL USES. ARE THERE OTHER NON OCCUPIED, UH, USES THAT COULD BE, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER ONE EXCEPTION? UM, IT SAYS IT'S SPECIFIC TO AGRICULTURAL USES. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER, UM, USE USES OR BUILDING TYPES THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED IN THE EXCEPTION. CRYSTAL, THIS RUB YOUR HAND AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CAR PORTS. MM-HMM. WOULD THAT MEAN TO BE A QUALIFICATION? UH, FOR AN EXCEPTION, THEY'RE FREESTANDING. YEAH. THE EXCEPTION SAYS OVER AGRICULTURAL USES. SO I'M THINKING THOSE, THAT'S NOT LIKE SOLAR FARM THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN. I'M SURE AGRICULTURE IMPLIES THAT SOMEBODY'S WORKING THE FIELDS, RIGHT? OR IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE ANY FIELD THAT'S NON OCCUPIED? I GUESS I'M TRYING, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE WORD WHY, WHY USE THE WORD AGRICULTURAL AS OPPOSED TO NON OCCUPIED? UH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. OR, OR NOT INTENDED FOR HUMAN HABITATION. OR, WELL LET, LET'S GO BACK, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS SECTION. THIS SECTION IS REALLY A POINTER THAT SAYS ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS. SO THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS ARE FOR PV PANELS INSTALLED OVER [00:35:01] OPEN GRID FRAMING OR NON-COMBUSTIBLE DECK, RIGHT? SO THAT'S OUR ROOF. SO THESE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURES ON THE ROOF, UM, UH, NON-COMBUSTIBLE DECK OVER A ROOF ASSEMBLY. SO AN EXCEPTION TO AGRICULTURAL USES IS KIND OF IRRELEVANT ANYWAY BECAUSE IT SAYS PV PANELS SHALL COMPLY WITH THESE SECTIONS, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS, UM, IN AN OPEN FIELD AT ALL. AND SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT IS GROUND MOUNTED WHERE THOSE, UM, USES OVER AN AGRICULTURAL WHERE THOSE STRUCTURES OVER AN AGRICULTURAL USE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. OKAY. SO IF YOU BUILD A BUILDING THAT HOUSES RACKS OF YOUR PLANTING BEDS, IS THAT AN AGRICULTURAL USE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS? I WOULD SAY NO. THAT'S NOT AN AGRICULTURAL USE . YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT AGRICULTURE, THAT EXCEPTION ADDS MUCH VALUE. YEAH, IT IS CONFUSING IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? GO AHEAD, CRYSTAL. THIS IS LEWIS BARCOS. UH, WOULD IT ALSO BE, UH, MONITORED BY THE ZONING USE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING. UM, NOT, NOT IN THE CITY, BUT, UH, ZONING COULD BE IF, IF JURISDICTION. YEAH, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT WAS BEING BUILT IN THE COUNTY. WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT THIS, UH, IN THE ETJ EITHER. I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THIS CHAPTER. IT ALL REFERENCES THINGS ELSEWHERE THAT ALREADY EXIST. LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT, IT, IT'S COMPLETELY USELESS THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY PIECE OF IT REFERENCES ANOTHER STANDARD THAT ALREADY EXISTS SOMEWHERE. YOU DO THIS IS NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE E PUTTING PLUMBING FIXTURE COUNTS IN THE IBC AND IN THE IPC. AND IT'S REALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A MARKER, A DIRECTIONAL MARKER TO REFERENCE YOU TO SOMEPLACE ELSE. YES. YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THAT. UM, POINTERS POINTER TO ANOTHER SECTION, WHICH IS ALSO PROBABLY 1 0 7 IS THE SAME THING. WELL, 1 0 7. UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S JUST BROUGHT OVER FROM THE FIRE CODE. UH, AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE IFC THAT THIS IS NOT A CHANGE IN THE 2024. UM, WE JUST COPY OVER THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR, I THINK THIS SECTION IS, UM, PROTECTION DURING CONSTRUCTION OR SAFEGUARDS DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY MISSED IT IN THE 21 AS AN, THIS WAS NEW TO THE I, THE 2021 IFC. UM, THEY DIDN'T BRING IT OVER AT THAT TIME AND THEY'RE BRINGING IT OVER TO THE IBC. NOW. THEY COULD JUST POINT TO THE IFC. RIGHT? I MEAN INSTEAD OF THREE PAGES OF COPIED OVER TEXT. OKAY. LAST ITEM, APPENDIX P. WE CURRENTLY DO NOT ADOPT APPENDIX P. THIS IS A NEW APPENDIX FOR SLEEPING LOCKS AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS. UM, SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY AMENDMENTS. THIS JUST, UM, ALLOWS FOR INPUT LIMIT, PUTS LIMITATIONS ON THAT SPACE INTENDED TO BE USED AS A SLEEPING LOFT, UH, WHILE DIFFERENTIATING THESE SPACES FROM LIKE A MEZZANINE, UH, OR OTHER HABITABLE SPACES. CRYSTAL DESCRIBING. DO YOU HAVE ANY ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT I'M A PICTURE GUY. SORRY. WE DON'T, BUT WE'LL BRING IT, WE'LL BRING SOME UP. [00:40:02] AND AGAIN, THESE ARE USES UNDER THE IBC. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE THOSE ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. THIS WOULD BE MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT USE THAT WANTS TO ADD IN, UH, THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE. SO IT REDUCES THE REQUIREMENTS ON LIKE THE CEILING HIDE AND THE, THE STAIRS. OKAY. OKAY. LEMME JUST CLARIFY. SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT SLEEPING LOFTS AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THAT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE IBC WOULD BE HOTELS AND APARTMENTS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE OVER A FOURPLEX, OTHERWISE THEY GO INTO THE IRC. CORRECT. SO IF IT DOESN'T APPLY TO APARTMENTS, IT DOES APPLY TO APARTMENTS. IT WOULD BE, YEAH, WE WOULD SEE THIS IN AN APARTMENT. UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT IN A HOTEL, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA GET CRAFTY, I BET WE WILL. NOW, NOW WE PUT IT OUT THERE IN THE UNIVERSE, WE'LL SEE IT. THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURE. IT LOOKS LIKE A TINY HOME. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, SINCE WE DON'T GENERALLY ADOPT THE APPENDICES, UM, AND WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THIS FROM LAST, FROM THE LEFT MEETING, IS IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND THAT'S WHY WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADOPT IT. IS THAT THE CASE? I MEAN, ARE THERE A PART, BECAUSE I'M NOT PROBABLY ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN ME, BUT, UM, HI, THIS IS JASMINE C YES. UH, WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE INNOVATIVE USES OF SPACES, UM, MOSTLY IN, IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES. AND WE SEE THEM LIKE, UM, THOSE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS. THEY'RE TURNING INTO THESE, UH, LIVING SPACES. THEY'RE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND SO WE SEE THEM THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY CMRS, UH, ON THEM, BUT BASICALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS APPENDIX NOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM COMPLY WITH EGRESS, UH, THE GUARDRAILS, ALL OF THAT. UH, WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW, UM, OR THE CUSTOMER SOMEHOW REDESIGN SO THAT IT, IT STILL FITS, UH, UNDER CHAPTER 10, UH, FOR CEILING HEIGHT, ET CETERA. UH, SO NOW WITH, WITH THIS AVAILABLE APPENDIX P THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO KIND OF KEEP THAT, UM, MODIFIED DESIGN, LOWER CEILING HEIGHTS, UM, NOT A FULLY COMPLIANT EGRESS STAIR. SO THIS WOULD GIVE THE CUSTOMER MORE OPTIONS. WELL, I, I APPLAUD YOU ON BEING, UH, UH, FLEXIBLE AND ADAPTIVE TO NEW USES. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO, TO SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS. SO IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON THE BUILDING CODE. RYAN SMITH, SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS SECTION FIRST BEFORE MOVING ON? UM, YOU CAN APPROVE THIS SECTION BY ITSELF OR ALL OF THE BUILDING CODE CHANGES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY AS ONE ITEM. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE THOSE SEPARATED JUST IN CASE. 'CAUSE THIS WILL BE A CLEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISPUTES ON ANYTHING. SO IN CASE WE GET TO THE NEXT ONE AND THERE IS, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, SEE IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT, UH, THE PAGES. WE JUST WENT OVER THE IBC CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, CRYSTAL, UM, TO MAKE IT CLEAN. AND AS, AS THE CHAIR SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PENDING OR QUESTIONS AND FOLLOW UP ON THESE AMENDMENTS. 87 THROUGH, UH, WHATEVER IT IS. WHY DON'T WE, UH, SHOULDN'T WE JUST, UH, DO THAT SEPARATELY IN CASE THERE ARE ISSUES PENDING OR FOLLOW UP ON THE IFC AMENDMENTS? OH, ABSOLUTELY. YES. OKAY. YES. THEREFORE, ROBERT HANLEY IS, UH, MOVES THAT WE APPROVE ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT, UH, WERE SUBMITTED TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY FROM 87 TO 1 0 8. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION CARRIES. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK AND WE'LL START UP ON THE UH, IFC. ALL RIGHT, BRIAN SMITH. UM, IT IS 10 15 OR 10 14. UM, MEETING TO BEGIN AGAIN. RESUME. ALRIGHT, [00:45:02] EXCELLENT. SO I THINK, UH, WHILE I WAS OUT, WE FINISHED UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WHILE OUT OF UM, SESSION, WE WANT TO RETURN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO AND UTILIZE THE ABILITY TO ADD AND REMOVE, UH, SOME MEMBERS. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, CHIEF FOR THAT. OUR CHAIR, UH, BRIAN SMITH. CRYSTAL, CAN YOU, UH, STATE THE NAME OF UH, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER THAT, UH, HAS NOT MET, UH, OUR BYLAWS, REQUIREMENT OF MEETINGS? CHRIS ALVARADO. CHRIS ALVARADO. CHRIS ALVARADO. SO, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE CHRIS ALVARADO, UH, FROM PRIMARY? UM, UM, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. I MOVED, UH, REMOVED CHRIS ALVARADO FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SEL GARCIA YOU A SECOND. SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR A, UH, REMOVAL OF CHRIS. AND A SECOND THEY NEED DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? THE AYES TAKEN. ABSTAIN. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU MIKE. UM, AND WE'LL PUT THAT DOWN, MIKE AS AN ABSTENTION FOR THAT ONE. AND SO, UH, FOR POINT OF ORDER, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF NINE OFFICIAL MEMBERS WITH SOME ALTERNATES, UH, DEDICATED TO THOSE MEMBERS. SO QUORUM IS NOW FIVE. UH, SO EVEN THOUGH WE MET SIX AT THIS POINT NOW, IT KIND OF HELPS ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT PRESSURE. UH, DID Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT JOE'S POSITION AT THIS TIME AS WELL? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CHANGE, UH, JOE FROM MY ALTERNATE TO JACK MOORE'S ALTERNATE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? MIKE? ALSO MOVE ROBERT HENLEY. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO MOVE, UH, JOE FROM MY ALTERNATE TO JACK MOORE'S ALTERNATE. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION PASSES. OKAY. EXCELLENT. SO, UH, WHAT WERE YOU THEN? YEAH, GO AHEAD. MIKE. MICROPHONE. I JUST WANNA APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY FOR I THOUGHT THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MOVE ON WHILE I WAS GONE. I HAD SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE BUSINESS THAT I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF. SO I JUST WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXTENDED BREAK AND THE DISRUPTIVE NO, NO, A APOLOGY AT ALL. YOU, Y'ALL, WE'VE GOT IT WORKED OUT. WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY, UH, 45 MINUTES. YEP. UH, IF WE CAN, UM, MAKE, YEAH, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF. UH, SO TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF AND, UH, CONTINUE. EXACTLY. YEAH. AND EVERYBODY ON THE DIOCESE IS NOW A VOTING MEMBER, UH, FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS MEETING. SO JOE IS NOW TECHNICALLY A VOTING MEMBER. JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN THE MEETING MINUTES. THANK Y'ALL. OKAY. UM, WE WILL GET STARTED WITH THE IFC AMENDMENTS. EVERYBODY HAS A SPREADSHEET FOR IFC, RIGHT? OKAY. THIS IS A, A SEPARATE ONE. UM, AND WE HAVE CHIEF ROBERT WESTBROOK HERE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GO OVER THOSE AMENDMENTS. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, BOBBY VELASQUEZ AND BILL WANG FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS ON OUR STAFF, UM, TO ASSIST WITH ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE, BUT JUST WANTED TO, UH, TOUCH ON THIS ONE FOR YOU GUYS. SO SECTION 1 0 5 0.5, LEMME FIND THAT. UM, SO THESE ARE REQUIRED OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE NUMEROUS SECTIONS, I THINK ABOUT 59 SECTIONS THAT IDENTIFY WHICH, UM, UH, WHAT ITEMS REQUIRE THOSE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO HERE IN THE CHAPTER 11 AMENDMENTS, WE IDENTIFY WHICH OF THOSE ITEMS ARE REPEALED. UM, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE ONES OUT OF THE 59 THAT WE ACTUALLY DO REQUIRE OPERATIONAL AND IT'S, UH, COMPRESSED GAS, CRYOGENIC FLUID FLAMMABLE AND COMBUSTIBLE FLUIDS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, UM, LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT WILL, UH, SPEAK ABOUT MORE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, SPRAYING OR DIPPING. AND THERE WERE SOME NEW ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED IN AND WE WILL REQUIRE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR THAT. THE TEMPORARY HEATING OR COOKING INTENTS, TEMPORARY HEATING OR COOKING IN WILDFIRE RISK AREAS. UM, AND WE WILL REPEAL THE TEMPORARY HEATING FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES. THAT WAS JUST CLEARED UP HERE IN THIS SECTION. UM, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE ACCIDENTALLY REPEALED, BUT THEN WE HAD AMENDMENTS TO THEM. SO REALLY, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, UM, THE ADD TO THIS SECTION [00:50:01] FOR OPERATIONAL PERMITS WAS FOR THE TEMPORARY HEATING OF, OF, UH, TEMPORARY HEATING OR COOKING IN TENTS, TEMPORARY HEATING OR COOKING IN WILDFIRE RISK AREAS. SO WE'LL GO, I'LL SHOW YOU GUYS THOSE. SO NOTHING NEW. THOSE ITEMS KIND OF CLEANED THAT UP. LITHIUM BATTERIES, THE NEW ITEM. AND, UH, THESE THREE ITEMS HERE AT THE END. SO WE WILL REQUIRE THE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR, UH, 55 AND 56, BUT NOT 57 REPEALED. YEAH, SO THE, UH, AMENDMENTS IDENTIFY THAT THAT SECTION WILL BE REPEALED. IT'S A NEW SECTION, UM, AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR THAT. NEXT WE HAVE 1 0 5 0.5 POINT 29. BASICALLY THIS REGULATION MANDATES THAT AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR STORING MORE THAN 15 CUBIC FEET OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES AS SPECIFIED IN SECTION THREE 20.2. THIS REQUIREMENT AIMS TO ENSURE THAT SELF-MANAGEMENT AND STORAGE OF SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITIES OF THESE BATTERIES MITIGATING POTENTIAL RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR ACCUMULATION. BASICALLY, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES ARE, ARE ON THE FOREFRONT OF, UH, ENERGY, UH, ENERGY STORAGE AND ENERGY USAGE. AND MANY TIMES, UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL OF THE, UH, THE LOCATIONS OF THE STORAGES ARE OF THE, WE BASICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHERE ALL OF THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES ARE STORED FOR ALL THE MICRO ABILITY DEVICES, ALL THE POWER WALLS. AND SO THIS IS JUST OUR WAY OF SORT OF TRYING TO OPERATIONAL PERMIT. THEY BASICALLY GO THROUGH US AND WE'LL TRICK KEEP 'EM AND TRACK 'EM AND THEN USE THEM IN THE CAD COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH FOR WHENEVER A FIREFIGHTER GOES TO A SCENE. WE'LL AT LEAST THEY'LL KNOW THAT THERE IS CONSIDERABLE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES THERE. UH, CHIEF, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU MEASURING THAT 15 CUBIC FEET? IS THAT CUMULATIVE INDIVIDUALLY THAT, THAT IT CAN'T EXCEED 15 CUBIC FEET OR IS IT IN A VOLUME THAT'S 15 CUBIC FEET? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE THAT'S A, UH, AMOUNT. YES, SIR. I THINK IT'S CUMULATIVE. THE WAY I READ IT, IT'S CUMULATIVE. UM, WHEN FIREFIGHTER'S IN OUR BUILDING, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S FIVE, IT'S YES, IT'S TOTAL IN, IN THE, UH, OCCUPANCY. IS THAT HOW YOU READ IT? MM-HMM, . AND, UH, REAL QUICK, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS CAME UP A LOT DURING THE IBC DISCUSSION OF THE STORAGE AND WE'LL GET INTO THE THREE 20 AS WELL. BUT, UM, JUST AS FAR AS THAT PERMIT REQUIREMENT, THIS IS ANYTHING THAT FALLS OUTSIDE THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT WE CONSIDER STORAGE PER CHAPTER THREE 20. WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT IT HAD A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS. SO WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF 1500 OR 15 CUBIC FEET AND ALL IT IS IS LIKE, WELL I GOT, UH, LIKE A LOWS. I GOT ALL MY BATTERIES FOR MY POWER TOOLS STORED. THAT'S MORE THAN 15. BUT THAT'S PACKAGED SPECIFICALLY TO BE OUTSIDE OF THIS REQUIREMENT. SO NOT EVERY SINGLE LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT OR A BATTERY PLUS TYPE TYPE STORE IS GONNA REQUIRE THIS PERMIT. IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT. SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE STORAGE OF BATTERIES DURING A MAIN, UH, DURING A CERTAIN TYPE OF PROCESS THAT AREN'T PREPACKAGED AND READY FOR SALE OR USED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, BRIAN SMITH, WHERE DOES IT SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT? 'CAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING READING IT, IT, I MEAN 2 6 15 CUBIC FEET IS NOT THAT MUCH. SO A LOWE'S, A SAM'S, ANY OF THESE THAT HAVE THE BATTERIES WOULD MEET THAT CRITERIA IN STORAGE. UH, SO THIS IS WHERE YOU GO BACK INTO CHAPTER THREE 20. UM, IT'S, IT SAYS PERMITS, PERMITS SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR AN ACCUMULATION OF MORE THAN 15 CUBIC FEET OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM BAT METAL BATTERIES OTHER THAN BATTERIES LISTED IN THE EXCEPTION TO SECTION 3 21 0.1 AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 1 0 5 0.529. SO A LITTLE CIRCULAR THEN. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE, UH, TO THAT SECTION, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO PRE KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT. LIKE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PERMIT REQUIREMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EVERYWHERE THAT YOU SEE LITHIUM BATTERIES. IT'S, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THAT KIND OF FALL INTO THIS THREE 20 CHAPTER FOR THE STORAGE OF, OF BATTERIES. AND THIS LEWIS , UH, CHIEF, UH, YOU, YOU SAID IT'S AGGREGATE. WHAT IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS MULTIPLE OCCUPANTS, DIFFERENT RENTERS AND AGGREGATELY, THEY UH, EXCEED THAT 15, IS IT LOOKED AT THAT WAY? OR IS IT EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT BEING THE 15 FOOT? UH, YES SIR. I WAS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT WAS EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT. BUT I'LL HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT ONE. I'LL HAVE TO GET A CLARIFYING ANSWER. 'CAUSE THAT [00:55:01] ONE, I, THAT ONE I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WILL GET A FOLLOW UP AND FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. OKAY. THIS IS MY FIRST, I GUESS ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, SO THE TECHNOLOGY'S EVOLVING FOR, UM, BATTERIES TO ABSORB POWER FROM SOLAR ARRAYS TO PROVIDE POWER, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT OF AN OUTAGE, RIGHT? THOSE BATTERIES ARE GONNA BE LARGE IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY WITH 18 BUILDINGS. THE NUMBER OF BATTERY PACKS IS SURE TO EXCEED 15 CUBIC PIECES. THIS MEAN THAT IF IN THAT KIND OF SITUATION WHEN THAT TECHNOLOGY CATCHES UP TO THE USE, UM, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER PERMITS THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE BATTERIES. IS THAT KIND OF WAY WHERE THIS HAS, ARE YOU THINKING MORE OF LIKE THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM? 'CAUSE THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SECTION IN ITSELF. YEAH. SO THOSE BATTERIES THAT ARE USED FOR THE ENERGY STORAGE ARE IN CHAPTER 12. YEAH. KNOWING THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IS AMAZING. UM, SO THAT THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, AND THAT'S, UM, UH, FUTURE THAT I DON'T WANNA BOG US DOWN FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ON, ON ALL THESE THINGS. BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS CRYSTAL JUST TO, 'CAUSE HE BRINGS UP A POINT OF THE OPERATIONAL, OR I CAN'T REMEMBER, I KNOW THAT WAS AN OPTION. WAS THE PERMIT FOR THAT, ARE WE REQUIRING A PERMIT FOR THAT OR ARE WE SAYING THAT, THAT WE, OKAY, SO SO THAT WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT, JUST A SEPARATE PERMIT FROM THIS ONE. UH, SO THIS IS STORAGE AND NON UTILIZATION OF THE SYSTEMS. AND THEN THERE'S A SYSTEM UTILIZATION PERMIT FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. I MEAN, THIS IS SAL GARCIA, THIS IS, THIS FALLS UNDER THE OPERATION OF PERMIT. SO THERE'S A PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERMIT. CORRECT. SO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, IT WOULD BE EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT OR PERSON RESPONSIBLE. YOU MIGHT HAVE 15 OPERATIONAL PERMITS. IT WOULD SEEM THAT EACH ONE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE 15 AND NOT MEASURED AGGREGATE FOR A BUILDING THAT HAS MULTIPLE TENTS. BRIAN SMITH ALSO 15 CUBIC FEET IS NOT MUCH. YOU GOTTA THINK TWO BY TWO BY TWO. IT'S A TWO BY TWO BY TWO. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN AREA IS WHAT WE'RE TRULY TALKING ABOUT. SO IT, IT COULD REACH A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M SORRY, CHIEF. UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ACCUMULATION. WHERE IS THAT 15 AND YOU KNOW, ACROSS AN ENTIRE BUILDING OF MANY TENANTS, WHAT, WHEN IT, SO CHAPTER THREE 20, WHEN WE GET INTO THAT SECTION THREE 20, IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN YOU FALL UNDER THE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS KIND OF DETAILS, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF HOW DO YOU STAY UNDER THE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE YOU COULD PUT THEM AND WHAT THAT SEPARATION NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IN THE STORAGE COMPONENTS. SO I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, YOU'LL SEE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THE INTENT IS ONCE YOU'VE KIND OF TRIGGERED LIKE, OKAY, MY STORAGE EXCEEDS AND I NOW NEED TO MEET CHAPTER THREE, UH, SECTION THREE 20 IS WHEN YOU WOULD NEED IT. AND THAT GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW YOU CALCULATE THAT ACCUMULATION ACROSS A BUILDING. UM, WHETHER IT BE A SINGLE TENANT, YOU COULD ACCUMULATE IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF SEPARATION YOU NEED TO HAVE AND HOW TO STORE THAT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT MEETING THAT 15 CUBIC FEET. OKAY. HEY JEREMY, LET ME GET CLARIFICATION OF MY UNDERSTANDING. AND MAYBE I'M JUST WAY OFF BASE, BUT IF I HAVE A SERVICE CENTER WAREHOUSE AND I HAVE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS, UM, IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN RATED FIREWALL BETWEEN TENANTS, THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME CUMULATIVE. IT'S 15 CUBIC FEET FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IN INTENT. I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU NEED A FULL FIREWALL. UM, CHAPTER THREE OR SECTION THREE 20 KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO MAKE SURE. BUT YEAH, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS A, IF I HAVE A FIREWALL, FIRE BARRIER SEPARATION IN A ROOM SEPARATION BY SPECIFIC DISTANCES, THAT KIND OF COVERS IT. BUT THAT'S THE INTENT IS LIKE YOU CAN HAVE ONE TENANT IN THE ENTIRE, INSIDE A LARGE WAREHOUSE THAT HAS HUNDREDS OF CUBIC FEET. BUT IF YOU SEPARATED IT AS ACCORDING TO THREE 20 UNDER THIS SECTION, THEN YOU WON'T NEED, YOU WON'T FALL UNDER THREE 20. SO YOU WON'T NEED THAT PERMIT AS WELL. SO IT'S KIND OF JUST, HEY, CHECK THESE BOXES AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. WELL, WELL WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THREE, UH, CHAPTER, UH, THREE 20 NOW. BASICALLY A BRIEF SUMMARY IS THE UPDATED FIR AND BUILDING CODES ESTABLISHED, UH, COMPREHENSIVE REGULATIONS FOR THE STORAGE OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. KEY PROVISIONS INCLUDE MANDATORY OPERATIONAL PERMITS, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED [01:00:01] FOR STORING QUANTITIES EXCEEDING 15 QUBIT FEET DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S, UH, DETAILED STORAGE REQUIREMENTS BOTH INDOORS AND OUTDOORS. AND AS YOU AS THREE 20, UH, 0.4, 0.2 0.1 ON THE TECHNICAL OPINION AND REPORT AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ROBUST FIRE SAFETY PLANS. UH, THESE UPDATES BASICALLY AIM TO ENHANCE SAFETY AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE AND, AND WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGIES ALIGN WITH NATIONAL STANDARDS, ADDRESS PREVIOUS REGULATORY GAPS, CONSIDER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND PROMOTE ECONOMIC EFFICIENCY FOR BOTH BUILDERS AND THE OWNERS. UM, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE IN THREE 20? IS PRETTY EXPANSIVE. FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS, UH, MS. SALVE? YEAH, I THINK CHIEF, COULD YOU, UM, I I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS SECTION CREATES CERTAIN CLASSIFICATIONS, SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE EXTRA LARGE FACILITIES, RIGHT? DO YOU GIVE US EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT ONE I DO NOT DO, I GUESS, UH, COULD YOU SO ON, ON THAT, UM, I'M THINKING YOU'RE THINKING THE, THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, THE FACILITY. YEAH. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, DO YOU REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, UM, THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, THERE'S, THERE'S A SMALL FACILITY, THEN THERE'S A MEDIUM FACILITY. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE MORE STORAGE THERE IS, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE IT NEEDS TO BE. BUT SOME SMALLER ONES MAYBE DO NOT. UH, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THIS SECTION, IT WOULD BE APPLIED. SO IT'S REALLY NOT THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, IT'S THAT 15 CUBIC FEET CUMULATIVE, UH, FOR THAT FACILITY AND IF WHETHER THEY HAVE THE CORRECT SEPARATIONS, UH, FOR THAT. UM, SO ONCE YOU KINDA HIT THAT 15 FEET, THEN YOU JUST NEED TO FOLLOW THIS, THIS, UM, AND, AND THIS SECTION KINDA GOES OVER HOW YOU CAN STORE IT INDOORS, HOW YOU CAN STORE IT OUTDOORS, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT STORAGE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT CONTAINER NEED TO LOOK LIKE OR THAT SEPARATION AS, UH, ROBERT HANLEY KIND OF BROUGHT UP. SO IT'S A TWO HOUR FAR BARRIER OR UH, HORIZONTAL ASSEMBLY, BUT THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY DOESN'T REALLY DICTATE THAT. IT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE KIND OF GOTTEN TO A OVER 15, THEN IT'S EQUIVALENT WHETHER YOU'RE A LARGE, UH, FACILITY OR A SMALL FACILITY. AND IT JUST GIVES YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR, UH, MEETING THE INTENT OF PROTECTING THE REST OF THE BUILDING FROM THAT, THAT STORAGE AREA. UH, BRIAN SMITH, JEREMY, UH, IS THIS, UH, RETROACTIVE? SO WHAT ABOUT A, A CURRENT, UH, FACILITY, UM, THAT HAS THIS AND MAY NOT BE MEETING ALL THESE TYPE OF THINGS. IS THIS UPON PROOF? WOULD THEY HAVE TO CHANGE? YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CLASSIFICATION, RIGHT? IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND WE RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME WITH WAREHOUSE IN, IN LOGISTICAL CENTERS OF, I HAVE THIS TYPE OF STORAGE AND I HAVE NO SALE FOR THAT. I'M WORKING FOR INSURANCE. SO WHAT IF THEY HAD A FIRE? YEAH. AND IT, AND IT CAME UP AS FAR AS RESEARCH AND THE INSURANCE PEOPLE SAID, WELL, YOU DIDN'T MEET CODE, SO THEREFORE WE'RE NOT COVERING. SO YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'D HAVE TO KINDA LOOK AT THAT. THE WAY I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU HAVE AN, WHAT WE CALL AN OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION LETTER, WHICH, UH, SOMEBODY WOULD GO THROUGH AND DO AN ANALYSIS OF ALL THE STORAGE YOU HAVE IN THAT WAREHOUSE OR IN THAT BUILDING, AND THEN THEY KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT ARE THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS NEEDED, UH, BUILDING RATINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT OCL DOESN'T GO WITH YOUR CFO, IT DOESN'T GO WITH, UH, THE BUILDING TYPE OR USAGE TYPE KIND OF JUST AS YOU, IT'S, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT FOR THAT BUILDING. SO I WOULD SAY ONCE YOUR OCL SAYS, HEY, YOU NOW FALL UNDER THREE 20. UH, SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT REACTIVE, RETROACTIVE IN THAT SENSE. UH, BRIAN SMITH. SO, SO AN EXAMPLE, MARK HAD BROUGHT UP A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, HAVE STORAGE AREAS FOR LITHIUM BATTERIES FOR SMOKE ALARM OR ELSE, AND THAT IS MORE THAN 15 SQUARE FOOT, SO CORRECT. BUT THEY FALL UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS. SO ALL OF THAT, AS LONG AS IT'S PACKAGED AND YOU BOUGHT IT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT HEY, I BOUGHT ALL THESE, YOU CAN BUY AND YOU CAN FILL AN ENTIRE ROOM TECHNICALLY PER THIS AND MEET THAT EXCEPTION OF SAYING, OH, THIS IS PACKAGED TO BE USED. IT'S EITHER INSTALLED OR NOT INSTALLED, BUT PACKAGED AND, AND IT'S HOW IT, IT STAYS PACKAGED. BUT IF THEY HAD LITHIUM BATTERIES FOR, I, I DON'T KNOW, A CAR BATTERIES OR THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT AREN'T PACKAGED AND THEY'RE JUST SITTING IN THEIR STORAGE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO MAKE A TWO BY TWO BY TWO AREA. THAT COULD BE TWO OR FOUR BATTERIES. BASICALLY IT'S WHAT MEETS THIS CRITERIA. IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT. I MEAN THE CORE BATTERY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT THAT'S ONE. SO IF YOU HAD TWO OF THOSE, FOUR OF THOSE, FOR SURE IT'S GONNA MEET 15 CUBIC FEET. SO I'M JUST, IT'S A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE'RE TALKING CUMULATIVE. SO THIS [01:05:01] COULD MEET A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD, WHAT, WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T BASED UPON WHAT I'M READING ON INTERPRETATION. UNDERSTOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD STILL LOOK AT THE CAR BATTERY AND THAT IS THE MANUFACTURER PACKAGING OF THAT LITHIUM. WHAT I THINK THIS SECTION IS TRYING TO COVER IS WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE JUST CELLS LIKE THIS ALL KINDA CAME AND WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE RECYCLING PROCESS OF TAKING ALL THESE BATTERIES IN THESE, IN THESE CORPORATIONS THAT WOULD TAKE ALL THE RECYCLED SECTIONS, STORE THEM, PROCESS THEM AND MOVE THEM FORWARD. SO IT'S, IT'S LOOKING AT MORE LIKE INDIVIDUALIZED BROKEN DOWN COMPONENTS. NOW IT'S GROWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THAT 'CAUSE THE INDUSTRY HAS GROWN SO MUCH, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE ALL THESE EXCEPTIONS. SO A CAR BATTERY, THE PACKAGING FOR THAT IS, HEY, YOU GO TO, YOU GO TO AUTO ZONE, ALL YOU'RE GONNA BUY IS A BATTERY THAT FITS RIGHT IN YOUR CAR AND THAT'S IT. IT DOESN'T COME IN A BOX OR ANY TYPE OF PLASTIC PACKAGING. SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ITS PACKAGE. THAT'S ITS NORMAL STATE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEVELOPED AND BUILT TO SIT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT STATE. AND IT'S NOT CAUSING ANY ISSUES. IT'S KIND OF WHEN, HEY, I BROKE THAT DOWN. I'VE NOW PULLED ALL THAT PLASTIC APART AND I'M PULLING OUT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL CELLS AND I'M STORING THOSE. THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S SOME ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS THAT AREN'T THERE ANYMORE. THESE CELLS ARE REALLY JUST KIND OF FLOPPING AROUND, NOT SECURED. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCERNING ONCE WE STARTED SEEING A LOT OF THAT IN ACCUMULATION. THAT'S THE CONCERN AND WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE, UH, BRIAN SMITH. SO, BUT IT WOULD BE AS FAR AS WHAT, UM, MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS ANY SOLAR, UH, BACKUP, UH, THOSE TYPE OF BATTERIES, THOSE ARE NOT TEMPORARY. THEY, I'VE SEEN A ARRAY OF USE EITHER REGULAR BATTERIES OR THE, THE NICE TESLA TYPE OF CELLS AND ALL THOSE ARE LITHIUM TYPE OF, AND THAT FALLS UNDER CHAPTER 12. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM USAGE. THERE GONNA BE A WHOLE SEPARATE THAT'S CHAPTER 12. AND THAT HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT APPROACH. UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL SYSTEM THAT HAS THE BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS THAT ARE CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING. THOSE ARE LISTED ASSEMBLIES TYPICALLY AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POLICIES. THIS IS MORE OF A KIND OF AN UNSECURED, UNREGULATED SET OF BATTERIES SOMEWHERE BEING STORED SOMEWHERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF KNOW ABOUT THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE TOO BIG OF A A OF A NET THAT WE'RE GONNA THROW OUT AND CATCH A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF WITH THIS PROCESS. IT'S GONNA BE VERY SELECT INDUSTRY GROUPS IS THE FOCUS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S REALLY WORKING WITH THESE BATTERIES AND TRYING TO DO MORE THAN JUST OPERATIONAL USAGE. UH, JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON AN INITIAL COMMENT THAT THE CHAIR SAID ABOUT EXISTING CONDITIONS WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE COMPLIANT. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NEW, UM, IF, OR IS IT THE INTENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO GO BACK AND PEOPLE THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT TO THIS NEW LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA? AND I'M GOING TO USE THE PRECEDENT SETTING CONDITION OF, FOR A LONG TIME IF WE WERE RESIDENTIAL HIGH RISE, YOU HAD STANDPIPES AND AFTER THE WEDGEWOOD INCIDENT, THEY REQUIRED, THE CITY WORKED ON THIS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MR. WESTBROOK. AND, UH, THAT YOU NOW HAVE TO GO FROM STANDPIPES TO A FULL AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM WITH ALARMS AND ALL THE COMMON AREAS IF YOU HAD A TWO HOUR FIREWALL BETWEEN THE, THE COMMON AREAS AND THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE. AND SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT THAT WHERE THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WAIT, THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A RISK. THE CITY ADOPTS THIS NEW PROVISION. SO WHEN BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT A NON-COMPLIANT ENTITY THAT'S AN EXISTING FACILITY, WILL THE THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND BECOME COMPLIANT? YES. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE OCL AND UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS SPECIFIC TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF BUILDING OR CLASSIFICATION OR USAGE OF A BUILDING. IN THIS SENSE, THE OCL IS A LIVING DOCUMENT AND THESE, YOU KNOW, A WAREHOUSE OR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING IS CONSTANTLY UPDATING AND CHANGING WHAT TYPE OF MATERIALS ARE BEING STORED IN IT OR UTILIZED IN IT, YOU KNOW, SO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR UM, ANY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S GONE FROM A CERTAIN TYPE OF BATTERY STORAGE FOR SOME REASON TO ANOTHER, THAT'S A LIVING THING. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BRIAN KIND OF BROUGHT UP INSURANCE AND MAKING SURE YOUR COVERAGE, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT ANY BUSINESS OWNER NEEDS TO KIND OF LOOK AT AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE LIABILITY OF WHAT I HAVE IN THIS BUILDING? AND OUR PROCESS IS, HEY, YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED OCL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PROACTIVE APPROACH THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT TOO HEAVY OF ONE OF GOING AROUND AND AND CHECKING THESE, UH, TYPE OF THINGS. BUT IT'S MORE OF A SELF-REGULATION. AND THEN AS YOU DO AN OCL, YOU LOOK AT IT AND THAT PROFESSIONAL THAT'S DONE THAT, UH, OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION LETTER AND DETERMINES WHAT SYSTEMS YOU NEED TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR LOGISTICS FROM, YOU KNOW, VOID MATERIALS TO NOW, UH, EXPANDED POLY POLYAMORY PLASTICS. THAT'S VERY HIGHLY COMBUSTIBLE. YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'VE CHANGED THE USE, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE BUILDING STAYED THE SAME. IT'S STILL A LOGISTICS CENTER, BUT THE FUEL LOAD IS NOW CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. YOU NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN CHANGING, UH, THE SAFETY SYSTEM FOR THAT. SO, CASE IN POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LARGE DISTRIBUTORS HERE IN TOWN, THEY'RE RUNNING INTO THIS ALL THE TIME. SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, HEY, WE'RE REALLY JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND WE'RE SAYING, HEY, [01:10:01] LET'S GO WORST CASE SCENARIO EVERY SINGLE TIME. SO I'M NOT HAVING TO CONSTANTLY WORK WITH MY, MY LOGISTICS TEAM OF, OH, YOU CAN PUT IT HERE. YOU CAN'T. I'M JUST, WE'LL TAKE THE BURDEN ON NOW. UPGRADE EVERYTHING TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH ANY OF THESE WAREHOUSES BECAUSE WE'VE SECURED 'EM TO THAT LEVEL. UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S RETRO RETROACTIVE IN THAT SENSE, BUT NOT A, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA GO TO EVERY SINGLE WAREHOUSE AND, AND FIND THAT IT'S KIND OF A SELF POLICING AS WELL. SO, AND THAT'S MIKE. UH, THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT IS, IS WHAT YOU JUST HIT ON. SO WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME KIND OF GUESSING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, ARE THE BUSINESSES I'M FAMILIAR WITH GONNA GET WRAPPED INTO THIS? UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME BUSINESSES THAT WILL, AND WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HOW CODE IS ALWAYS KIND OF A TRAILING INDICATOR. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD? HAVE WE SAT WITH THE BUS, LIKE THE WAREHOUSE OWNERS, THE, THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS TO, TO GET THEIR INPUT? BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY A WHOLE WORLD OF KNOWLEDGE THAT DOESN'T SIT AT THIS TABLE ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THIS ARE GONNA BE THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO THE CITY, UM, TO HAVE. NO, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, STAKEHOLDER MEETING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. AND, AND I WOULD SAY WHEN I WAS TALKING, IT'S MORE OF A, WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF OPERATIONAL FACILITY WOULD NEED THIS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE POINT PINPOINTED ANY SPECIFIC OPERATION WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE DOING THIS AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AND WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF, WE JUST KNOW WHAT THE INTENT AND THE REASONING BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CHAPTER OF THIS SECTION WAS AND WHAT TYPE OF, AND WE KNOW THAT PROCESS IS OUT THERE, THE RECYCLING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN INVENTORY OF ANY SPECIFIC, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT'S DOING THAT AT THIS TIME. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? YEAH, SAL GARCIA. SO WHEN I'M DESIGNING A BUILDING, UH, THIS CHAPTER WOULD APPLY FOR CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS CONCEPTUALLY THE RAW LITHIUM BATTERY, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT, UH, AS A DESIGNER OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A RETAIL CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE A BATTERY IS THE, THE HOUSING FOR THE BATTERY IS THE PRE-PACKAGED. UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY IT FOR A CONSUMER USE, THAT'S PREPACKAGED. IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TEARING SOMETHING APART, REBUILDING OR WHATEVER, YOU MIGHT END UP WITH A BUNCH OF PIECES. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE IT'S EXPOSED AND NOT CONTAIN. I THINK THAT'S THE TRUE INTENT. CORRECT. EXACTLY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO THROW AN NET FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT'S GOT LITHIUM ION, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T SEE THE CASE POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOTS AND, UH, AUTO ZONES, THEY HAVE TONS OF THESE AND WE'RE NOT SEEING FIRES AND ISSUES ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE VERY STABLE WHEN THEY'RE, NOW, IT MAY NOT BE TEARING IT APART, BUT IF YOU HAVE A, A SITE THAT'S ACCUMULATING A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, HERE'S ALL POWER PACKS FOR MY, UH, CORDLESS DRILLS. I'M RECYCLING INTO THIS GROUP AND I'M, YOU KNOW, GIVING IT TO THEM ALL AND THEY'RE STORING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE, YOU KNOW, NOW BEEN USED. THAT'S THOSE TYPES OF SCENARIOS. OKAY. YEAH. DO YOU PROBABLY FALL UNDER THIS EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE TEAR IT APART AT THIS POINT, BUT YOU'RE STORING IT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, ACCUMULATING JUST KIND OF IN A STORAGE BIN SOMEWHERE? THOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE AREN'T YOUR EVERY SINGLE STORE SCENARIO. THOSE ARE VERY UNIQUE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ACCUMULATING THESE, UH, USED BATTERY SOURCES. THOSE WHO WE WANNA REACH OUT TO AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING IT SAFELY. UH, SO IT'S, LIKE I SAID, A VERY NICHE ORGANIZATION, UH, COMPARED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING LITHIUM ION, UH, BATTERY AND TECHNOLOGY THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OKAY. WE'LL JUST MOVE ON. 3 22 POWERED MICRO ABILITY DEVICES. SECTION 2022 OF THE UPDATED FIRE AND BUILDING CODES PROVIDES, UH, COMPREHENSIVE REGULATIONS FOR THE OPERATION, STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE OF POWERED MICRO, MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES SUCH AS ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, BICYCLES THAT UTILIZE LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. KEY PROVISIONS IN 22 3 22 INCLUDE STRICT GUIDELINES FOR BATTERY CHARGING AREAS, MANDATORY FIRE SAFETY PLANS, SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS FOR PERSONAL AND TEMPORARY USE. THESE UPDATES SEEM TO, UH, ENHANCE SAFETY BRING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGIES THAT, UH, THAT ALIGNED WITH NATIONAL STANDARDS. UH, PART OF THE REASON THIS WAS ADOPTED, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE USE OF MICRO MOBILITY, MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND THE IMPROPER CHARGING OF THESE DEVICES CAN LEAD TO A THERMAL RUNAWAY INCIDENT. WHILE IT HASN'T BEEN PREVAILING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, THERE HAVE BEEN NO, NO NOTABLE INCIDENTS. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THERE WAS A FOR ALARM FIRE IN NEW YORK CITY RECENTLY, UM, THIS PROPOSAL SETS REASONABLE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR INDOOR CHARGING OF THESE DEVICES WITH LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL TYPE BATTERIES. REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LISTING OF THE DEVICE AND THE ASSOCIATED CHARGING EQUIPMENT THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVICE AND ITS BATTERIES IS ALSO CRITICAL SAFETY REQUIREMENT. UH, THERE IS A CLEAR PROHIBITION OF UTILIZING [01:15:01] A RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY FOR OPERATING A RENTAL SALES AND SERVICE BUSINESS FOR THESE DEVICES. AND OCCURRENCE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE OCCURRED. UM, AS NOTED, UH, THEY WILL FOLLOW UP UNDER MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS THERE, THERE'S, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ONE AND UL LISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR UL 2272 AND UL 28 49, UM, FOR ALIGNMENT WITH THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS. NOW, GARCIA, UM, JUST IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION, JUST, THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN HERE, . UH, YES. THE, SO YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND YOU'RE GONNA STORE FIVE, UH, ELECTRIC BIKES OR LEASE OR BORROW, UH, TENANT CAN BORROW IT. WOULD THAT FALL INTO THIS SECTION HERE? WHEREVER YOU'RE GONNA LOCATE THOSE FIVE BIKES? IT MIGHT. I BELIEVE SO. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL. YOU'RE STOR YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHARGING UP FIVE BIKES FOR, UH, BUSINESS PURPOSE. SO I THINK IT WOULD FOLLOW UP UNDER THAT. UH, BRIAN SMITH, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, SORRY, APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND ONLY WE HAVE THE CHARGING STATIONS FOR CARS, BUT FOR BIKES? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMMON IN MARKET RATE PROJECTS, UH, LONG TRAILS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. UH, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN PLACES LIKE IN AUSTIN AND SOME COME OVER HERE WHERE, UH, YOU MIGHT BRAND SOME BIKES AND YOU MAKE 'EM AVAILABLE TO YOUR TENANTS IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE SOME. SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE ONE OR TWO, SOMETIMES WE HAVE UP TO FIVE DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, UH, AND HOW PEOPLE WANNA BOTHER. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE ELECTRIC BIKES OUT THERE NOWADAYS. SO, YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMMON. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. JUST MY COMMENT. THERE'S, UM, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LEARNING CURVE ON THIS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YES, HAVE NOT DOVE INTO IT. AND SO WE NEED TO BE, UH, HAVE SOME PATIENCE AND RESILIENCE AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME TRAINING FOR THE PUBLIC ON SOME OF THESE NEW PROVISIONS ONCE THEY'RE ADOPTED, LIKE WE DO ON THE BUILDING ACADEMY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES. CHAIR, MOVE ON. 4 0 3 POINT 10.6, UH, SECTION, UH, 4 0 3 POINT 10.6 OF THE UPDATED FIRE AND BUILDING CODE MANDATES THE PREPARATION AND MAINTENANCE OF APPROVED FIRE SAFETY AND EVACUATION PLANS FOR OCCUPANCIES INVOLVED IN THE RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT, TESTING, MANUFACTURING, HANDLING OUR STORAGE OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES, AS WELL AS THE REPAIR OR SERVICING THE VEHICLES POWERED BY THESE BATTERIES. THIS SECTION OUTLINES SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS WHERE SUCH PLANS ARE NOT REQUIRED AND EMPHASIZES THE INCLUSION OF THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENT MITIGATION MEASURES. THESE UPDATES AIM TO ENHANCE SAFETY, ENSURE COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH MODERN BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES ALIGNED WITH NATIONAL STANDARDS AND BASICALLY COVER REGULATORY GAPS. UM, REQUIREMENTS ARE INTENDED TO COVER ALL TYPES OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. UH, SECTION 3 21 POINT, UM, ONE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, IDENTIFIES THE THRESHOLD QUANTITIES OF BATTERIES THAT ARE REGULATED BY A 3 21, UH, SECTION 3 21 0.3 REQUIRES A FIRE SAFETY AND EVACUATION PLAN TO PROVIDE IN ACCORDANCE WITH A NEW SECTION 4 0 3 POINT 10.6. UM, SECTION 3 21, 4 0.1 INCLUDES REQUIREMENTS FOR LIMITED INDOOR STORAGE IN CONTAINERS. THERE'S A LIMITATION FOR AN INDIVIDUAL CONTAINER TO NOT EXCEED 7.5 CUBIC FEET, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF A 55 GALLON BARREL, A MAXIMUM 15 CUBIC FEET OF STORAGE. THE WAY THIS IS PHRASED, A MAXIMUM 15 CUBIC FEET OF STORAGE, 2 55 GALLON BARRELS ARE ALLOWED IN THIS CODE APPLICATION. INDOOR STORAGE IN EXCESS OF THESE VALUES WILL BE REGULATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3 21, 0.4 DOT FOUR, DOT TWO, AND WILL REQUIRE AMONG OTHER THINGS IN OPERATIONAL PERMIT. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I'LL, I'LL SUMMARIZE THIS AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO COVER BETWEEN, UH, 3 22 AND THREE 20. UM, 3 21. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE THAT REGULATES THE STORAGE OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. AND SO THIS IS TOWARD A NEW TERRITORY [01:20:01] AND LIKE, UH, MR. HANLEY SAID, WE'RE LEARNING, UM, WE'LL TRY TO PUT IT TOGETHER. ANY QUESTIONS? NO MOVE FORWARD. UM, WE HAVE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT AMENDMENT 5 0 3 2 3 IN OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT. UM, SECTION 5 0 5 0 3 2 3 OF THE UPDATED FIRE AND BUILDING CODES OUTLINES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGNING AND MAINTAINING FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROADS. THE AMENDMENT INCREASES THE MINIMUM SUPPORTED LOAD CAPACITY FROM 75,000 POUNDS TO 85,000 POUNDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASED WEIGHT OF NEW FIRE APPARATUS. ADDITIONALLY, THE NEW SECTION PERMITS ALTERNATIVE DRIVABLE SURFACES SUCH AS DRIVABLE GRASS UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL. UH, KEY PROVISIONS INCLUDE SUBMISSION OF COMPLIANCE DOCUMENTS, RESTRICTIONS ON PRIMARY ACCESS USAGE, INSTALLATION OF BLUE TRAFFIC REFLECTORS AND MAINTENANCE STANDARDS TO ENSURE ALL WEATHER DRIVING CAPABILITIES AND SAFETY. UM, LET'S SEE, ADDRESSING IDENTIFIED WEAKNESSES AND AMBIGUITIES AND JUST BASICALLY CLEARLY IDENTIFYING INCREASED LOAD CAPACITY. UH, CLARIFYING THE DRIVABLE GRASS OR ALTERNATIVE SURFACES CANNOT BE USED AS A PRIMARY ACCESS. AND, UM, ESTABLISHING EXPLICIT MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND AUTHORIZATION FOR REPAIRS ENSURES THAT ACCESS ROADS REMAIN SAFE AND FUNCTIONAL ADDRESSING PREVIOUS REGULATORY SHORTCOMINGS. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. YES, SIR. UH, CHIEF WESTBROOK. UH, I DO SEE WHERE YOU SPELLED OUT THE 75,000 TO 85,000 POUNDS, AND YOU DID TALK ABOUT, UH, SPECIFIC GRASS, BUT WHY DON'T WE, UM, JUST DEFINE WHAT AN ACCEPTABLE SURFACE IS. CONCRETE ASPHALT, IT'S TWO OR THREE INCHES THICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY SPELLING OUT THE LOAD CALCULATION. SO YOU'RE DICTATING SOME DESIGN CRITERIA, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER WE COULD MAKE MORE SPECIFIC ON THE WAY TO THE TRUCK OF WHAT ACCEPTABLE, UH, SERVICES ARE FOR THE FIRETRUCK ACCESS. LEWIS, UH, THIS IS LEWIS . UM, I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY, UH, DIFFERENCES. THERE'S SOME FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE ON SUSPENDED SLABS, WHICH WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESIGN. THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY REQUIRED IS THE ENGINEER TO KNOW, UH, THE TOTAL WEIGHT AND MAYBE, UH, THE AL AXLES, THE NUMBER OF AXLES. SO WE CAN DISTRIBUTE THAT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN ON A BASE, UH, CASE BY CASE BASIS BECAUSE EVERYTHING CHANGES, UH, NOT ONLY THE THICKNESS IN THE TYPE OF CONCRETE, BUT THE SOIL YOU ARE ON. SO IT'LL, THERE'S, IT'S REALLY NOT PRACTICAL TO SPECIFY SPECIFIC, UH, THICKNESS AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. SAN ANTONIO. FIRE DEPARTMENT AMENDMENT 5 0 5 0 6 0.3, SECTION 5 0 6 0.3 OF THE UPDATED FIRE AND BUILDING CODE SPECIFIES REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOCATION AND CONTENTS OF MANDATORY KEY BOXES WITHIN BUILDINGS. THE AMENDED MO THE AMENDMENT MODIFIES THE PLACEMENT GUIDELINES, PARTICULARLY ADJUSTING THE DISTANCE FOR KEY BOXES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS NOX BOXES NEAR THE MAIN ENTRANCE FROM EIGHT TO 10 FEET TO FIVE TO SEVEN FEET, BOTH FROM THE SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE AND FROM GRADE LEVEL. THESE REGULATIONS ENSURE THAT ESSENTIAL KEYS FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS ARE READILY ACCESSIBLE AND SECURELY STORED, THEREBY ENHANCING SAFETY AND FACILITATING EFFICIENT EMERGENCY, UH, RESPONSES. THIS SECTION OUTLINES THE KEY SPECIFICS THAT MUST BE INCLUDED IN NOX BOXES, ENSURING COMPREHENSIVE PREPAREDNESS, BUT I THINK THE MAIN KEY IS BASICALLY FROM EIGHT TO 10 TO FIVE TO SEVEN. UH, SOMETIMES FIREFIGHTERS ARRIVE ON SCENE, HAVE TO LADDER A BUILDING TO GET TO THE NOX BOXES, UH, REQUIRING MORE TIME TO GAIN ENTRANCE INTO A, UH, A BUILDING WHERE A FIRE MAY BE ONGOING. THAT'S THE MAIN CHANGE. JUST, UH, THIS IS LEWIS ROCKOS AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE, UH, IFC IT REFERENCES NOT, UH, 5 0 6 0.3, BUT 5 0 6 0.20. YES, SIR. I'LL HAVE TO, UH, MAKE THAT NOTE. WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE CODE AMENDMENTS, BUT I'LL, UH, MAKE THAT NOTE IN MY, UM, I'LL UPDATE THE NUMBERS. THANK YOU, SIR. ACTUALLY, THE AMENDMENT ADDS A NEW SECTION 5 0 6 0.3. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO 5 0 6 [01:25:01] IS AMENDED BY ADDING THE NEW SECTION SO THAT THAT ENTIRE PIECE, NOT JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION IS ALL NEW OR JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION IS NEW. SO THE UNDER, SO THE UNDERLINE, THE ITEMS ARE ADDITIONS THAT THE FIRE CODE HAS MADE. UM, I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, WE LITERALLY JUST CHANGED, UM, EIGHT TO FIVE AND, UH, 10 TO SEVEN. SO IT USED TO SAY THIS SECTION WAS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE. IT JUST USED TO SAY BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 FEET TO THE SIDE AND BETWEEN EIGHT TO 10 FEET FROM GRADE. YES, SIR. UH, FIVE, 10.3, SECTION FIVE, 10.3 OF THE UPDATED FIRING BUILDING CODES OUTLINES THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR IN-BUILDING EMERGENCY RESPONDENT, UH, COMMUNICATIONS ENHANCEMENT SYSTEMS. IT MANDATES THAT BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONAL PERMITS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE IN INSTALLATION. LET ME, I'LL, BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, WE ARE NOT ADVOCATING OR PROPOSING OPERATIONAL PERMITS. WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE THAT PORTION OF THIS OUT. JUST THE, UH, WHAT IS IT? YEAH, JUST THE CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, THAT'S WHAT THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. JUST CONSTRUCTIONAL PERMITS FOR THE INSTALLATION, MODIFICATION AND OPERATION OF THESE SYSTEMS, ENSURING THEY COMPLY WITH SPECIFIED SECTIONS OF THE CODE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THAT ADHERE TO THE EXISTING CODE DO NOT REQUIRE PERMIT. UM, THESE REGULATIONS AIM TO ENHANCE THE RELIABILITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS WITHIN BUILDINGS, ENSURING THAT SUCH SYSTEMS ARE PROPERLY INSTALLED, MAINTAIN AND OPERATED, UM, TO SUPPORT EMERGENCY RESPONDERS DURING CRITICAL SITUATIONS. UH, THE REVISION SHOWN SIMPLY GO THROUGH AND REVISE THAT TERM WITH INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE SECTION FIVE 10 AND FIVE 10 AND 1103 0.2 AND THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE SECTION NINE 18. THE CODE CHANGE, UH, THEORETICALLY WILL NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE THE LITTLE PERMIT FEES, BUT IT WON'T INCREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, BUT NO OPERATIONAL PERMITS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING AROUND TO FOR THE I SYSTEM FIVE TEN FOUR, DO 2 5 1. THIS IS, UM, OF THE, OF THE UPDATED FIRE AND BUILDING CODE PERMITS THE USE OF A SINGLE SUPERVISORY INPUT FOR THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS TO MONITOR ALL SUPERVISORY SIGNALS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION. THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THAT VARIOUS RADIO FREQUENCY DESIGN SOLUTIONS BEYOND JUST SIGNAL BOOSTERS WITH DONOR ANTENNAS SUCH AS VOTING RECEIVERS AND BASIC STATIONS, CAN BE UTILIZED TO ADDRESS REDUCE COMMUNICATION COVERAGE WITHIN BUILDINGS. ADDITIONALLY, THE CHANGE AIMS TO REDUCE CONSTRUCTION COSTS BY ALLOW, BY ALLOWING A SINGLE SUPERVISORY SIGNAL FOR MONITORING TWO-WAY EMERGENCY RESPONDER COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, UM, NSPA STANDARD COMPLIANCE, ENSURING THAT THE SINGLE SUPERVISORY INPUT APPROACH MEETS THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION GUIDELINES FOR FIRE ALARM SYSTEM RELIABILITY AND PERFORMANCE. UH, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH INCORPORATING BEST PRACTICES. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? AND CHIEF, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A, A TECHNICAL QUESTION, BUT, UH, WHERE IT'S APPROVED, YOU CAN DO IT, IS A REALLY ODD SENTENCE. UM, IN MY MIND, I MEAN, I KNOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN WEIRDLY AND A LOT OF TIMES, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS SAYS. WHERE WOULD WE FIND WHEN IT'S APPROVED THAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE COMMITTED ? I THINK IT COULD BE APPROVED THROUGH THE CMR IF THERE IS CERTAIN RE UH, THE DESIGNER HAVE CERTAIN, UH, DESIGN RE REQUEST TO, TO GET THIS APPROVAL. THIS SAL GARCIA ARE, ARE WE SAYING THIS IS A, AN ALTERNATE PROCEDURE OTHER THAN A FULL I SYSTEM BEING INSTALLED? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN EITHER OR? IS IT, OR IS IT A SUPPLEMENT TO THE I SYSTEM? NO, I THINK THIS IS A COMMUNICATION REQUIREMENT BETWEEN AN I SYSTEM THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED AND YOUR FIRE ALARM SYSTEM AND THE, UH, MONITORING OF THAT. SO A LOT OF TIMES THE IRK SYSTEM IS, [01:30:01] IT PROVIDES THAT RADIO FREQUENCY ADDITION THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, BUT IT DOESN'T COMMUNICATE OF TIMES OF WHEN THERE'S A TROUBLE OR SUPERVISORY. SO YOU HAVE YOUR FIRE ALARM SYSTEM AND THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. SO SAY THE IRK SYSTEM HAS AN ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE A TROUBLE, OUR SUPERVISORY CONDITION, SUPERVISORY BE IN HIGHER LEVEL SAYING MY SYSTEM MAY BE DOWN VERSUS MY BATTERY'S OLD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. UM, COMMUNICATING BACK TO YOUR FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, WHICH IS KIND OF A BUILDING OWNER'S STANDARD APPROACH TO, HEY, I, THIS IS A SYSTEM I NOTED TO KIND OF BE CHECKING DAILY AND LOOKING AT AND, AND I'M INDICATING WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. SO THIS IS JUST COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO. AND WHEN YOU NEED NUMBER OF INPUTS, COULD YOU DO IT ALL? LIKE, HEY, I DON'T NEED TO HAVE AN INPUT FOR EVERY SINGLE ISSUE OUT THERE TO MY FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. I CAN HAVE JUST ONE INPUT SAYING, HEY, I GOT A SUPERVISORY. PLEASE GO TO YOUR ERC SYSTEM NOW TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT PROBLEM IS. ALL RIGHT. UH, BRIAN SMITH, UH, I THINK WE'RE REACHING ABOUT THE TWO HOUR. I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WITH THEIR TIME THAT'S DONATED AS WELL AS STAFF. UH, CRYSTAL, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MARK WHERE WE'RE AT AT THE MOMENT. WE'LL PICK THIS UP NEXT WEEK. UM, JEREMY, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MEAN, DO WE WANNA TAKE A MOTION ON EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, UH, FOR THE FIRESIDE? YES, WE CAN. I, I DON'T THINK WE HAD, WAS, WAS THERE AN OBJECTION TO ANYTHING? I DON'T REMEMBER. WE HAD, SO YES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE A, IF I CAN GET A MOTION FROM, UM, THE BOARD FOR NUMBER ONE THROUGH, NO, ACTUALLY, BEFORE YOU ASK FOR THE MOTION, CAN I, THIS IS MIKE GROSS. DID HE, WE TALKED, I MEAN, I SUGGESTED, I DON'T KNOW IF, AND IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE APPETITE FOR IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT, UM, TRYING TO REACH OUT TO SOME STAKEHOLDERS ON THE STORAGE ISSUE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTARY ON THAT BEFORE WE YEAH, WE CAN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF DOING THAT IN THE DARK A LITTLE BIT. NO, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, THREE 20 IS A, IS A BIG LIFT. UH, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, LOOK AT THAT. AND FORTUNATELY, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WORKED REALLY HARD WITH ICC TO, UM, DEVELOP THIS, UH, IS ACTUALLY, UH, IN THE AREA, UM, WORKS OUTTA AUSTIN, PART OF THE, UH, LOCAL CHAPTER FOR ICC. UH, SO WE CAN KIND OF TOUCH, TOUCH BASE WITH HIM TO SEE IF HE KNOWS ANYBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME HE WOULD'VE BEEN CONTRACTED, UH, WITH SOMEBODY TO, TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN IS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE ON THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE'RE VERY DETAILED AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE ANY CHANGE WE WANNA LOOK AT. LIKE, AS A WHOLE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THAT STORAGE, BUT IF, IF WE'RE KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT, HEY, THESE EXCEPTIONS, WE HAVE SOME OUTLIERS THAT WE WANT, UNLESS MAYBE INSTEAD OF EXCEPTIONS JUST SAY THESE ARE THE EXACT SCENARIOS THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT AS THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. BUT YEAH, WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, SEE, UH, WHAT'S OUT THERE, UH, SEE IF THERE'S ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT KIND OF FALL WITHIN WHAT WE'RE THINKING THIS SECTION SHOULD BE COVERING IN THE CITY. AND THEN, UH, CAN FOLLOW BACK UP WITH YOU ALL. UH, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, MAYBE NOT NEXT WEEK, BUT, UH, BEFORE WE FINALIZE THIS, MR. MR. ROBERT HANLEY, IF THE, THAT FURTHER, UH, INVESTIGATION INPUT, UH, REQUESTED BY MIKE RUST IS, UH, AVAILABLE. HOW DOES IT IMPACT AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH NINE FOR THIS BOARD, THIS COMMITTEE TODAY? UH, POSSIBLY TABLING, WHICHEVER THAT THREE 20 SECTION WAS. UM, NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER THREE, FOUR. NUMBER FOUR WAS THE ONE THAT WAS LIKE, THAT WAS JUST THE, JUST NUMBER, THE, THE ENERGY. YEAH. THREE 20. SO LET'S GO AHEAD. IF I CAN GET A MOTION FOR ONE THROUGH NINE, WE WILL TABLE NUMBER THREE UNTIL WE CAN VERIFY FROM THE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS ON THAT, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR ANYTHING WE NEED TO REACH OUT FROM THERE. UH, SO IF I CAN GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, THIS IS ROBERT HAMLEY. UH, I RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE IFC ONE THROUGH NINE AND TABLE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. I HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? I ONE THROUGH NINE. SEE? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION CARRIES. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ADJOURN? UH, JUST SO WE ARE GOOD FOR NEXT WEEK. SO WE ARE ONCE AGAIN ON FRIDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK. I CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, BRIAN WILL BE HERE. JA, I'M SORRY. ROBERT WILL NOT BE HERE. MICHAEL RUST. UH, LEWIS, I'LL BE OKAY. SAL. I THINK SO JOE, YOU'LL BE HERE IN, YOU'RE NOW IF JACK ISN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT, YOU'RE HIS ALTERNATE, SO YOU'LL BE PART OF THAT. AND WILLIAM, YOU'LL BE HERE. UH, I KNOW KAREN HAD DECLINED, SO YEAH. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD HAVE QUORUM. UH, AT THIS POINT, ALL WE NEED IS FIVE, UH, MOVING FORWARD. UM, AND, AND COREY DID THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL, UH, HE WAS PLANNING ON BEING HERE, BUT HE HAD A MEETING COME UP LAST MINUTE AND NOTIFIED US IN ADVANCE SO WE WERE AWARE HE WOULDN'T BE HERE, BUT HE SHOULD BE HERE NEXT WEEK. SO WE REALLY SHOULDN'T RUN INTO A, HOPEFULLY A QUORUM NEXT ISSUE. BUT, UH, BUT I'LL BE OUT. UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, CRYSTAL WILL BE RUNNING THIS, SO I'LL BE [01:35:01] UP IN NEW YORK TAKING, TAKING TIME OFF. SO, UH, SO I'LL SEE Y'ALL AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. ALRIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND. SECOND. I MOTION. UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 1103. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.