* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD AFTERNOON. I'D LIKE TO [3:00 PM – Call to Order] CALL THE ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, 2024. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY MOOKA. EVA? HERE. GROUP CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES? PLEASE? WHILE THEY COME, I, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER MOOKA HAS JUST WALKED IN AND JOINED US. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIRE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN POSITION OF TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON AS THIS CASE IS CALLED, CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MADE PAULA ALINE ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, JUST A QUICK PROMOTION. UH, WE HAVE AN UPCOMING EVENT, UM, NOT THIS SATURDAY, BUT THE NEXT ON OCTOBER 12TH. UM, IT'S THE NEXT EDITION OF OUR HISTORIC, UH, SORRY, HISTORIC RUN CREW SERIES. IT'S A, UM, GUIDED TOUR OF THE HISTORIC EAST SIDE CEMETERIES. UM, THAT'LL BE AT 9:00 AM MEETING PLACES IS FAIRCHILD PARK. UM, THERE IS A RE REGISTRATION FEE OF JUST $10, UM, THAT WILL GET YOU A T-SHIRT AND A GUIDED TOUR WHILE A T-SHIRT WHILE SUPPLIES LAST. UM, SO THIS IS A REALLY POPULAR EVENT. I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY EXPECTING ABOUT 150 PARTICIPANTS AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT THERE'S STILL ROOM TO SIGN UP IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. SO AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE OCTOBER 12TH AT 9:00 AM AND THEN REGISTRATION CAN BE FOUND ONLINE, UM, ON SAP UP AND JUST SEARCH FOR OHP EVENTS. UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COMMISSIONER GRU. AND THEN NEXT WE JUST NEED APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 18TH. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES? YES. UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2024 HTRC MEETING MINUTES SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT WE CAN LOOK AT THE SCREEN. UM, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL NOTE ITEM SEVEN HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. SO IT'S REALLY ONLY SEVEN ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED, UM, FOR ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, AND WE WILL PLAY THOSE NOW. UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE VOICEMAILS IS IN SPANISH. AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT ONE, WE WILL ASK THE TRANSLATOR TO COME UP AND PROVIDE THE, UH, TRANSLATION. UH, BEFORE WE START, WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS WHERE INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALSO SIGNED UP IN PERSON. UM, AND SO WE'LL, UH, RECONCILE THAT QUICK. IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, MR. ALFRED CASTANO IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, YEAH, I, I'LL [00:05:01] CALL THE LIST. WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP, SO, UM, WE'LL DO IN PERSON FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO VOICEMAILS IF ANYBODY THAT'S LOVED OVER. SO, ELIANA, IS IT CABRAL? CABRAL? YEAH. YEAH. JUST APPROACH THE PODIUM. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. AND FOR ANYONE WHO'S SPEAKING, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UM, AND PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME'S PRIS CABRAL, 1419 EAST PIRON. AND I AM OPPOSED TO THIS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING, UM, WITH ALL THAT CEMENT AND, AND, UM, THE BUILD, ALL THE FOUR BUILDINGS, ALL THAT CEMENT, THE WATER THAT USUALLY GOES IN GROUND WILL NOW ROLL OVER INTO OUR SMALL STREET. AND WE NOW, THERE'S SEVERAL HOUSES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, THAT, THAT ARE EXPERIENCING FLOODING AS IT RAINS. UM, OURS BEING THE WORST BECAUSE THE WATER COMES IN, RUSHES INTO MY DRIVEWAY AND THEN GOES INTO MY HOME. SO WE BUILD EVERY, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE BUILD A DAM SO THAT, TO PREVENT IT FROM COMING IN. AND SO DO THE NEIGHBORS ON THE SIDE. THE SECOND THING IS THE TREE CANOPY. AS YEARS HAVE BEEN GOING BY THE, THEY'VE BEEN CHOPPING DOWN THOSE TREES TILL THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING LEFT. SO WHEN THEY BUILD THESE FOUR BUILDINGS, THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE TREES, NO TREE CANOPY, NO PLANTS, NO ANYTHING. AND, UM, ASIDE FROM THAT DIMINISHED PRIVACY WITH FOUR BUILDINGS THERE, THE PRIVACY THAT WE ONCE EXPERIENCED IN OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR SLEEPY LITTLE STREET IS NOT GONNA BE THERE. PLEASE CONSIDER CONTINUANCE A CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AND COME TO AN A AMICABLE AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE RO MORRIS. GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS RO MARTINEZ MERA AND I RESIDE AT 1410 EAST PRIVATE AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 4. I'M A LOS ANGELES COUNTY, RETIRED FIREFIGHTER. AND AFTER 25 YEARS OF SERVICE, I RETURNED HOME. WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE STAYED WITH MY MOM UNTIL LO I LOCATED A PLACE TO LIVE AND BRING OUR THINGS TO. AND THEN I TOOK OUT A SIX MONTH LEASE. SO I CAME TO PURCHASE OUR NEXT HOME. MY WIFE, AS SOON AS WE ARRIVED, SHE STARTED WORKING AS A TEACHER. SHE WOULD HAVE ME GO OUT AND VIEW THE HOMES SHE HAD CIRCLED IN THE PAPER. I DID THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS TILL I SAW AN AD IN THE LOCAL FREE PAPER DESCRIBING THE HOUSE I CURRENTLY LIVE IN. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. I CALLED, ANSWERED A FEW QUESTIONS, AND THEN SET UP AN APPOINTMENT FOR A WALKTHROUGH. UPON WALKING THROUGH, I KNEW MY WIFE WAS NOT GONNA BE PLEASED WITH THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. THE ONLY THING WAS THE WOODEN FLOOR SHE LIKED. I WALKED WITH HER, VIEWING HER REACTIONS, AND WHEN WE WERE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, I TELL HER IT'S LIKE LIVING AT A PARK. SHE TELLS ME WE COULD ALWAYS VISIT THE PARK. AS WE WERE LEAVING, THE REALTOR SAID THAT HIS WIFE HAD NOT SEEN IT UNTIL NOW, AND IF WE DON'T TAKE IT, THEY WILL. AS WE'RE DRIVING AWAY, SHE TELLS ME, GO TAKE A LOOK AT ANOTHER HOUSE. SHE FOUND, I TOLD HER THAT I WAS DONE LOOKING, THAT SHE WOULD'VE TO GO AFTER WORK, LOOK FOR ONE AND CONVINCE ME TO BUY. SHE SAID, OKAY, LET'S GO LOOK AT THIS ONE. IT'S BRAND NEW. WE DROVE OUT PAST THE SIX AND OH FOUR TO A NEW HOUSING TRACK DEVELOPMENT. SHE LOOKED AT THE HOUSES THAT HAD A SMALL AMOUNT OF FRONT YARD, LITTLE REAR YARD, AND WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH WAS IN THE REAR. I TELL HER, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE STYLE OF LIVING WE LEFT WHERE YOU CAN HEAR YOUR NEIGHBORS DAY AND NIGHT? SHE TELLS ME YOU WANT THE LAND. I TOLD HER TEXAS IS THE LAND OF THE LAND AND HAVING STUDIED ARCHITECTURE THAT I CAN REMODEL THE HOUSE TO HER LIKING. I AM HAPPY HERE IN THE MISSION SAN JOSE COMMUNITY AND STARTING TO GET TO KNOW MY NEIGHBORS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DATES BACK TO 1720 AND I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BUT A QUARTER OF A CENTURY WHILE OTHERS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS. MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY, I CAN SAY, SIR, AT THE WELCOME MALL, SIR, AS YOU ENTER OUR COMMUNITY, SIR, SIR WAS AN ARTIST. SIR, YOUR TWO MINUTES IS UP. HOW MUCH TIME DO, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED TO? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. LET ME FINISH PLEASE. WELL, NO, YOUR, YOUR TIME IS UP. SO HOW MUCH MORE DO, DO YOU HAVE TO READ ON YOUR STATEMENTS? UH, I'M HARDLY HEARING, SIR. IS IT, IS IT OKAY IF I FINISH WHAT I HAVE? IT'S ONLY TWO MORE PARAGRAPHS. OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU. WE AS A COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY WAS AN ARTIST AROUND WE LIKED AND VOTED ON. SO I DREW IT TO A SCALE, PULLED THE PERMIT AND HAD IT CONSTRUCTED TO WHAT YOU SEE NOW. WE AS A COMMUNITY, I FACED DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE MULTIPLE HOUSING. WE CAME TOGETHER, NOW WE HAVE A LIBRARY. WE CAME TOGETHER. NOW WE HAVE A-Y-M-C-A. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS COMMUNITY WANTS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND NOW CO TYPE OF HOMES LIKE THE MOVING LAND ARE BEING PROPOSED. THOUGH NOT AS MANY AS THE TYPE, BUT THE SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE PLACED HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. ABOUT A WEEK AGO, I DON'T RECALL THE DAY, BUT FOR SURE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER THE 30TH, THAT 6:00 PM A SURVEY WAS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I CONFRONTED HIM BECAUSE I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH WHERE HE PLACED HIS MARK [00:10:01] THE FIRST TIME. 'CAUSE IT COINCIDED WITH THE PROPERTY. WHEN I HAD MY SURVEY DONE, WHEN I PURCHASED MY HOME OVER 25 YEARS AGO, NOW HE MOVES THE PROP, THE PROPERTY, THREE FEET, THREE INCHES BY 300 FEET TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK OUT TO THEIR BENEFIT. I TOLD THE SEPARATOR, MEASURE IT FROM EAST TO WEST, BUT I DON'T THINK MR. CASTANO, THE OTHER NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING HIS PROPERTY BEING ENCROACHED ON. NOT TO MENTION THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY DISRUPTIVE, PEACEFUL, TRANQUIL LIFESTYLE WE HAVE COME TO AND ENJOY AND LIVE BY. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF REMODELING MY HOME AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE. I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR MISSION AND HAVE BEEN COMPLYING WITH MY WORK. THIS IS A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE COMMUNITY AND THINGS MUST REMAIN AS THEY HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE HISTORY DOES MATTER. SO I AM SAYING TO THIS HISTORICAL COMMITTEE, DON'T CHANGE WHAT WE HAVE AND LOVE, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I SAY NO TO COURT TYPES, COMMUNITY, THIS IS PROOF. THEY HAVE MOVED THREE FEET INTO MY PROPERTY SO IT CAN MAKE THEIR PROJECT WORK OUT. I SAY, NO, I'M OPPOSED. JOSE GALLEGOS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS. I RESIDE AT ONE 15 NORTH BULO, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. UH, I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING, UH, MR. FRED CASTANO, WHO IS ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ON EAST PIRON. HE HAS LIVED THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS, HAS MADE CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT IN THE MAKEUP OF EAST PIRON AND THE MISSION SOUTH DISTRICT. UM, HE HAS HIS SON, I SHOULD SAY, OWNS A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, IT IS A, UH, OVER 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, HOME. UH, IT SITS ON TWO ACRES AND, UH, MR. CASTANO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ALSO, UH, AN EXTENDED LOT. UH, HIS DAUGHTER LIVES NEXT DOOR TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ALSO, UH, OVER A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY OR HOME. THEY'VE ENJOYED A CONSIDERABLE QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, ENGAGED IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY'VE MADE CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT TO THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THINKING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A TRANQUIL, PEACEFUL, UH, LIVING. HOWEVER, UH, UNBEKNOWNST TO THEM, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS FOR SALE AND, UH, IS CURRENTLY BEING SOLD. IT'S ON THE MARKET. AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS A, UH, UH, A PROPERTY THAT IS BEING USED FOR DEVELOPMENT. CERTAINLY THERE'S NO OPPOSITION TO PEOPLE MAKING DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN ANY PROPERTY. UH, HOWEVER, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE INVESTED NOT ONLY MONEY, BUT TIME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SIR, THIS WOULD BE AN ENCROACHMENT. SIR, PLEASE, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. I WILL. THANK YOU VERY KINDLY. UH, THIS WOULD BE AN ENCROACHMENT AND WE FEEL THAT, UH, IT IS NOT THE BEST AND WELL SUITED USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IF WE PRAY THAT YOU, UH, VOTE, UH, AGAINST THE PROPOSED APPLICATION. THANK YOU VERY KINDLY FOR LISTENING TO ME. I BE YOU A GOOD DAY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. I'LL, I'LL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. ALFRED CASTANO. MR. CASTANO, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? HE'S GONNA DEFER. HE HAD DEFERRED TO ME, SIR. SO IT SMELLS NOW. YES. HELLO, MY NAME IS ALFRED CASTANO. I LIVE AT 1334 EAST PYRON AVENUE. MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTING NEXT TO THE 1358 EAST PYRON. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I WANNA EXPRESS MY DISCONTENT THAT AT 1358 EAST , UH, THAT IT'S UP FOR REVIEW FOR THE FOUR ONE STAR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. IT JUST SEEMS TO [00:15:01] ME THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING SOLD AND BUILT UP FOR PROFIT INSTEAD OF A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING. UH, PEOPLE AROUND THERE HAVE LIVED THERE ALL THEIR LIVES, 40, 50 YEARS, 60 YEARS, AND NEVER HAVE I EVER SEEN, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN WHERE THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP SOMETHING HERE TO SELL IT OFF TO WHOEVER THE HIGHEST BIDDER OF THE NEXT PERSON COMING ALONG. I JUST FEEL IT'S NOT RIGHT TO HAVE TO BUILD THAT UP LIKE THAT AROUND THE HISTORIC DIVISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. UH, THIS IS ALFRED, UH, FOR ITEM FOUR, AND THE ADDRESS IS, UH, 1358 EAST PIRATE. WE'RE COMPLETELY AGAINST, UH, THE, THE CHANGES WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, AND I'VE LIVED IN MY, ALL MY LIFE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. WE'RE COMPLETELY AGAINST THAT. ITEM FOUR AT 1358 EAST PAR. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS CHEN HENRY. I'M CALLING ABOUT, UM, HCRC CASE 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 4 2 AT 1358 EAST PYRON AVENUE. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I RESIDE AT 5 22 EAST DIXON AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 1 4. UH, DEAR COMMISSIONERS, UM, THE RESIDENTS OF THE 1300 BLOCK OF EAST PIRON AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT JENNY HERNANDEZ'S PLANS TO BUILD FOUR SINGLE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE ONE ACRE VACANT LOT AT 1358 EAST PIRON AVENUE. WE RECOGNIZED THAT THE LOT AT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA ARE ALREADY ZONED R SIX. HOWEVER, THE PROPER, THE PROPOSED DENSITY DOES NOT CONFORM WITH THE HISTORIC AND CURRENT LAND USE IN THE AREA. MANY OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE ONE RESIDENCE ON ONE OR MORE ACRES SUSTAINING THE RUSTIC RURAL STEEL OF THE LANDS BETWEEN THE MISSION ONE BLOCK AWAY AND THE OLD HISTORIC SAN ANTONIO RIVER, JUST ONE BLOCK TO THE EAST. HE APPRECIATES THAT THE HTRC RECOMMENDS AT LEAST TWO HOMES MUST FACE THE STREET WITH, UM, FRONT PORCHES, SIMILAR TO OTHERS ON THE STREET, AND THAT THE GARAGES MUST BE MOVED TO THE BACK OF THE HOMES. EACH HOME IS PLANTED FOR ABOUT A QUARTER, PLANTED FOR ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. OUR ZONES CONCERNS ARE HOW WILL THE HOUSES BE NUMBERED IF TWO ARE STREET FACING AND TWO ARE BEHIND THEM. THE CENTER COMMON DRIVEWAY MUST BE, UH, MUST EASILY ACCOMMODATE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC FOR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS AND AS WELL AS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. UH, NO PARKING ON THE DRIVEWAY CAN BE ALLOWED. THE DENSITY OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IMPOSED ON CURRENTLY OUS LAND ON A STREET WITH NO DRAINAGE, CREATES A FLOODING THREAT TO THE NEIGHBORING HOMES AND MORE RUNOFF TO THE RIVER. PLANTING OF TREES AND APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING IS IMPERATIVE TO PREVENT FLOODING AS WELL AS PREVENTING A HEAT ISLAND. DO THEY HAVE OR DO THEY SEEK PERMITS TO CUT THE TREES? THE CITY SHOULD DO A TRAFFIC STUDY TO CONSIDER ACCOMMODATION OF INCREASED TRAFFIC, CREATED PRIVACY, DANCING AROUND THE PERIMETERS OF MUST TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THIS WILL IMPEDE THE FREE FLOW OF BREEZES WHICH THEY ENJOYED. NEIGHBORS ARE JUSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SALE OF THESE PROPERTIES AND HOMES WILL INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. YOURS TRULY, JANE HENRY, PRESIDENT MISSION, SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MY NAME IS MARIA ELENA CABRAL. I LIVE ON 1419 EAST PIRON AVENUE, 7 8 2 1 4. CALLING ABOUT THE CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 4 2. I'M CALLING FOR THE FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON 1358 EAST PIRATE AVENUE BUILDING. THESE HOUSES WILL BECOME THE INFILL AND IT WILL CAUSE FLOODING TO MY HOME. THAT IS THIS, WE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING. THIS WILL BE CAUSING MORE FLOODING. THESE HOUSES DO NOT BELONG ON THIS, THAT PROPERTY, IT WAS GONNA BE BUILT WITH HEAVY CEMENT AND I AM GOING TO BE FLOODING ALL THE TIME IT RAINS AND NOBODY IS GOING TO HELP ME PAY OR TRY TO STOP MY FLOODING. THE CITY IS NOT GONNA HELP ME, SO PLEASE CALL ME BACK IF YOU WANT ANYTHING, UH, TO TALK TO ME. MY NUMBER'S 2 1 0 3 1 6 4 5. YEAH, WE COULD HAVE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES COME UP FOR THIS ONE, PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME IS LUTA MERA. I LIVE AT 1434 PIRON AVENUE AND I'M CALLING TO SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT ON 1350 EIGHTIES PIRON AVENUE. THIS IS CASE 2024 DASH 3 4 2. NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, THEY ARE, [00:20:01] IF THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC. ROB, STEAL OR MAKE NOISE. I HOPE YOU DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO PUT THESE HOUSES THERE AT 1358 EAST PIRON. I DON'T AGREE WITH THOSE HOUSES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARY LOU NORTH AT 1422 EAST PIRON. CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 4 2. I AM AGAINST BUILDING THE FOUR HOUSES ON 1358 EAST PIRON. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THAT, UH, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND A LETTER OF OPPOSITION, UM, IN YOUR PACKETS FOR THIS ADDRESS. AND THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, I BELIEVE NO OTHER IN-PERSON SIGNUPS, UH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PUSH ITEM, UM, PUSH PULL ITEM 4 13 50 80. BYRON? THANK YOU. ITEM FOUR, ANY OTHER ITEMS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE EXCEPT ITEMS NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT. ALL WITH STAFF. OH, NOT SEVEN, SORRY. SIX AND EIGHT. ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 300 SAN FERNANDO 4 32 WEST MARKET, 1 0 6 OAKMONT ONE 10 LEXINGTON, THREE 10 BRAHAM AND 2 0 5 EAST RE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, AND COMMISSIONERS. NOW I WILL OPEN, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS 1358 EAST PYRON, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 24 3 42. UM, THE APPLICANT, JENNY HERNANDEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, AND ALSO, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO READ ANY PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION OR ANY FINDINGS. WELL, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE AS THE APPLICANT MAKES HER WAY UP, THAT THE REQUEST IS FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF A SITE PLAN. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE FULL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS FOR EACH OF THESE HOUSES. WE'RE JUST SEEING THE HOUSING FOOTPRINTS AND THE LOCATION OF DRIVEWAYS AND CONCRETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THOSE AND THE REQUEST IS BEING MADE AT THIS TIME TO INFORM A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING COMMISSION BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY WILL NEED TO BE REZONED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO MS. HERNANDEZ, DID YOU SAY WHAT OR WOULD NOT CHANGE ZONING? IT WOULD RIGHT. YOU ARE MAKING A CHANGE IN ZONING REQUEST, CORRECT? NO, CORRECT. OH MY, I APOLOGIZE. NO, IT'S, UM, GONNA REMAIN R SIX. I'M JENNY HERNANDEZ. THIS IS MY BROTHER BUSINESS PARTNER. WE'RE ALSO THE BUILDERS, UM, ANDRE HERNANDEZ. AND, UM, I WOULD HAVE ONE OF THE, I WOULD BE BUILDING ONE OF THE CUSTOM HOMES FOR MYSELF TO LIVE IN WITH MY SON. MY BROTHER WOULD HAVE, UH, A HOUSE FOR HIS FAMILY AND THEN MY PARENTS. SO WE'RE SORT OF BUILDING THIS FAMILY COMPOUND. SO WE'RE THE BUILDERS, BUT ALSO THE HOMEOWNERS. SO I'M GONNA LET HIM SPEAK FOR ANY QUESTIONS. EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS ANDRE HERNANDEZ. YEAH, SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. WE ARE FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY. WE GREW UP ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN. UM, WE'VE GONE TO MANY BARBECUES IN THAT AREA. AND SO WE LOVE IT. AND ONCE WE FOUND THIS LOT FOR SALE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A WHILE FOR A PROPERTY, WELL, THIS IS IT. AND IT FITS FOR QUARTER ACRE LOTS, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECT, WHICH WOULD STILL STAY THE SAME ZONING OUR SIX. UM, AND SO THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE SOLD FOR PROFIT. THESE ARE GONNA BE BUILT FOR OUR FAMILY AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE OUR GRANDKIDS ARE GONNA GROW UP, WITH THE GRANDPARENTS AND BACK, HOPEFULLY FREE BABYSITTING. BUT, UM, THAT IS OUR PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE NOT BUILT FOR SALE, THEY'RE BUILT FOR OURSELVES. SO THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YE YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, WELL, I, THE, THE, UM, MY COMMENTS ARE KIND OF, I GUESS KINDA CIRCULAR BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S AN ODD USE OF THE PROPERTY. MM-HMM. IN THAT, FROM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THE, UM, PERMISSION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION IN PLACE. SO, WELL, BUT SEE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HARD PART BECAUSE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IN, IN THE, IN, IN THE BEST UNIVERSE, AN APPLICANT CAN DO WHATEVER [00:25:01] THEY WANNA DO, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I MEAN FORWARD YOUR QUESTION TO STAFF AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DISCUSSION AFTER MOTION IS. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE EDWARD E EDWARD. LOOKING AT, UH, THE GUIDE, THE STANDARD GUIDELINE, UH, THE, UM, THE INTERESTING PATTERN IN THE, IN THE AREA WITH RESPECT TO DRIVEWAYS THAT YOU HAVE THESE OLD HOUSES AND NONE OF THEM HAVE FRONT LOADING DRIVEWAYS AND YOU HAVE THESE NEW HOUSES AND NONE OF THEM HAVE FRONT LOADING DRIVEWAYS. AND THEN THE INTRODUCTION OF, UM, OF UM, KIND OF LIKE AN URBAN PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WE HAVE TWO HOUSES BEHIND TWO HOUSES. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY, UM, A VERY FORWARD ALTERATION TO THE, TO THE PATTERN IN THAT COMMUNITY. UM, HOW IS IT THAT THAT ENDS UP ON A CONSENT AGENDA? THAT, THAT, TO TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A REGULAR CASE THAT WOULD'VE COME BEFORE US, BUT, BUT IN THIS WAY, WE HAVE TO PULL IT TO, TO ASK A QUESTION THAT WOULD SEEM THAT THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD'VE BEEN INHERENT IN THE WAY THAT THE, THE PLAN IS PRESENTED. EDWARD? I CAN ANSWER THAT. UM, SO SORRY. THE POLICY IS THAT IF SAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR IF WE HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT IS CONSENTING TO, AND THOSE ITEMS ARE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT IF WE WANT TO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF SPEAK TO HOW WE REVIEWED THIS, UM, EDWARD, IF YOU COULD PUT THE SATELLITE MAP UP, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE A SITE PLAN AT THIS TIME, AND SO WE REVIEWED IT UNDER THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY REVIEW IT, WHICH INCLUDES SETBACK, LOT, COVERAGE, FOOTPRINT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, UM, THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF NEW AND OLD. UH, THERE'S PRETTY LARGE LOTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT'S PROPOSED IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN TERMS OF SPACING OF HOUSING AND FOOTPRINTS NEARBY. UM, AGREE OR DISAGREE. UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS NUMBER OF UNITS ON LOT. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TI KIND OF TOTAL COVERAGE ON THE LOT. AND SETBACKS. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I, YOU SIR, JUST CO CORY MADE THE COMMENT, DO WE AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING SIMILAR TO IT ON, ON THE SITE. AND, AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IT'S IT'S CORRECT OR NOT, IT'S JUST, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF A QUESTION THAT IT, THAT IT WOULDN'T APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW UP ON A CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THAT, THAT'S MATERIAL, I THINK. AND WE CAN GO TO GROUP COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES. HI. UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS IF REGARDS TO STIPULATIONS, BUT THEN CAN YOU ADDRESS THE FLOODING OR WERE YOU AWARE OF THIS? LIKE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TODAY AND THE VOICEMAILS ARE TALKING ABOUT FLOODING, UH, AS A BUILDER, DOES THIS WATER COME AS A BUILDER? I MEAN, WE WE'RE BUILDERS, UH, FULL TIME AND SO WE DO A LOT OF WORK ON THE EAST SIDE. SO USUALLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS COMES UP AND WE ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE PLACING THE HOUSE THE WAY THE WATER WILL FLOW AWAY FROM THE HOUSE INTO THE STREET TOWARDS DRAINAGE. SO THAT'S NOTHING NEW. I MEAN, USUALLY WE, WE GET THAT A LOT BY NEIGHBORS KIND OF ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT I MEAN, IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING OF THE LOT HAVING ANY SLOPE OR DRAINAGE? LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A FLAT LOT. I MEAN, IT'S A FLAT STREET, FLAT LOT, BEAUTIFUL LOT. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL SAY IS WE WOULD HAVE TO GET IT PLATTED, SO WE'RE GONNA BRING IT. SO STEP CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE. SO THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THIS PLATTED. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENGINEERS SAWS, CPS, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO BE INVOLVED TO COME UP WITH THIS SITE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHEN THE FLOODING AND UM, THE FLOWING OF THE WATER, ALL OF THAT COMES INTO PLAY ONCE THE ENGINEERS GET INVOLVED. UM, WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED THIS LOT BECAUSE WE WANNA BE SURE THAT THIS CONCEPT IS GONNA BE APPROVED. UM, ONCE IT IS, THEN WE GO TO THE ENGINEER, UM, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY BRING IN, UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY AND ALL OF THAT'S WHEN THEY CONSIDER, UH, WHERE THE WATER IS GONNA DRAIN. OKAY. THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE US THE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO AND THE STIPULATIONS. SO THE REASON WHY IT'S ON CONSENT IS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS. CORRECT. SO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE GARAGE BEING ABSOLUTELY. AND THE FRONT SETBACK SPEECH, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH HISTORICAL DISTRICT. WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE HOUSES BEFORE. NOT IN THAT HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT IN OTHERS. AND SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, BUT THAT WILL CHANGE DRAMATICALLY HOW YOU'RE GONNA PLACE THE HOUSES. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE WANT THE PROPERTY, WE WANT HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE'LL BUILD 'EM HOWEVER HISTORIC, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY BEING PICKY ON THAT. IT'S MORE OF A, OF THE KIND OF THE FAMILY BEING TOGETHER. AND SO, OH, AGAIN, THEN I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. ARE YOU HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. ARE YOU PLANNING ON DIVIDING THE LOT AND GIVING THEM SEPARATE ADDRESSES OR HOW DOES IT WORK? YES. THEY WILL BE REPLANTED INTO FOUR LOTS. UM, SO THERE'LL BE QUARTER ACRE LOTS, ROUGHLY 75 BY ONE 50. OKAY. AND REMIND ME, DOES THAT COME AFTER THE PROCESS OF APPROVAL OR DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? THEY COME WITH THIS CONCEPTUAL, IT'S REALLY INDEPENDENT, BUT IT WOULD BE SMART OF THEM TO MAKE [00:30:01] SURE THE PLAT IS APPROVED BEFORE THEY DO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO YOU ARE NOT REZONING, UM, AND YOU ARE RE PLATING. UM, MY QUESTION THEN IS YOU'VE, YOU'VE REPL YOU'RE PROPOSING A REPL INTO FOUR VERY EQUAL PARCELS, RIGHT? MAKES IT GREAT FOR RESALE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WILL BE A FAMILY, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? A FAMILY COMPOUND. A FAMILY COMPOUND. UM, MY QUESTION FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT OF THE FOOTPRINT, WHY WOULD YOU NOT DESIGN THIS LIKE A FAMILY COMPOUND THEN INSTEAD OF A FEE SIMPLE SUBURB OR SUBDIVISION? WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE NOT DESIGNING IT LIKE A FAMILY COMPOUND, DO YOU MEAN INSTEAD OF YOU MEAN AVOIDING THE PLATTING BECAUSE NO, WELL THE FLOOR PLANS OR THE FLOOR PLATES OF THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSES ARE NOT WHAT ONE WOULD SEE IN A FAMILY OWNED, UH, PARCEL OR COMPOUND. WE HAVE FOUR ALMOST. WHAT ARE THEY IDENTICAL? NO, NO. YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS. THEY'RE IDENTICAL. THEY'RE JUST MIRRORED AND THEY ALL HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS. MM-HMM. . UM, USUALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A COMPOUND, YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HIERARCHY OF STRUCTURES. MM-HMM. . AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY YOU CHOSE THIS LAYOUT OF IDENTICAL FLOOR PLANS YEAH. AND DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING SPACES IN INSTEAD OF WHAT WOULD BE A REAL FAMILY COMPOUND, I GUESS WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT A FAMILY COMPOUND IS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF OUR GENERIC NAME OF SAYING, HEY, WE WANT THE FAMILY TO BE TOGETHER. RIGHT. AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL FOOTPRINT OF KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO PUT, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE SPACING. AND SO THAT JUST, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE ON PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT, MM-HMM. , ONCE WE COME TO THE ACTUAL APPROVAL OF THE HOUSES, THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GONNA CHANGE, LIKE THE GARAGE PLACEMENT, IF THAT'S APPROVED, AND, UH, FINISHING MATERIALS AND, AND MM-HMM. . AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WITH THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW IT DOES MEET OR MATCH AND, AND FIT IN WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, THERE'S A, IT'S PRETTY INCONSISTENT. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ON THE MAP ANYMORE, BUT THERE'S A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT CUSTOM HOME, FULLY STUCCO WITH A TILE ROOF. UH, AND THEN THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THEY HAVE FULL DRIVEWAYS, ONE'S ALMOST A HORSESHOE DRIVEWAY. AND SO, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF US, WE HAVE A VERY SMALL LOOKS TO BE LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND SO WE'RE IN BETWEEN TWO VERY INCONSISTENT. UH, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER NEW HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT ARE CUSTOM HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING UP. SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A CONSISTENCY MM-HMM. , ESPECIALLY ON THAT STREET. YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO MASSIVE CUSTOM HOMES BE BESIDE US ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF, KIND OF REALLY MAKE THE STATEMENT ON THAT STREET. MM-HMM. . AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL FINISHES OF THE HOUSES AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE DESIGNED, WE'VE WORKED WITH HISTORIC BEFORE AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. WE JUST REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THIS PIECE OF LAND AND CREATE A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. CCIA DO A MOTION IF THERE NO MORE QUESTIONS. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. I DO WANNA COME BACK. I'M SORRY. WILLIAM, WHO'S SPEAKING? COMMISSIONER EZ. MR. OKAY. OKAY, SIR. YEAH, JUST VERY QUICKLY, SO AS WE, AS YOUR DESIGN PROCESS MOVES FURTHER ALONG, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU CAN'T GET FOUR HOUSES, YOU KNOW, USING THE DESIGN METRICS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES OR THE INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION AND YOU CAN'T GET FOUR SEPARATE HOUSES THAT LOOK IDENTICAL ON THERE, AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE MORE OF A COMPOUND AND DESIGN DESIGN PROCESS. ARE YOU WILLING TO CON UH, TO CONFORM TO THAT NOT GETTING THE FOUR PROPERTIES SEPARATE LIKE YOU WANT AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE A COMPOUND? MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID COMPOUND . YEAH, I, I ALREADY RETRACTED THE, THE FAMILY COMPOUND. I, I GUESS I SHOULD LOOK THAT UP, BUT, UH, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. BASICALLY WE WANT TO CREATE IN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T GET APPROVAL TO DO FOUR, ARE WE STILL GONNA BE INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY? WELL, YEAH. WHAT IF, WHAT IF IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, IT JUST DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW? YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, IF WHATEVER IT TAKES MEANS TO CUT DOWN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO MAYBE THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT THREE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED HERE TURNS OUT TO BE, ARE YOU WILLING TO GO WITH THAT AFTER PURCHASING? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A, OF A, UH, SQUARE A LIMIT ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, ESPECIALLY BEING NEXT TO A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND A 5,000 AND THEN MAYBE A 1500 SQUARE, UH, SQUARE FOOT HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO I, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I, I GUESS LEMME REPHRASE IT. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE. AND IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT. THE ONLY THING I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTO WITH BUILDING AND HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO WE CAN, THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL TODAY IS TO HAVE THE FOUR HOMES ON THAT ONE LOT, NOT THE DESIGN. THAT'LL COME LATER WHEN WE GET INTO FINAL APPROVAL AND WE'VE AGREED TO THE STIPULATIONS. WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ALL MASONRY. WE KNOW WHAT HISTORIC [00:35:01] REQUIRES AS FAR AS DESIGN, AND WE'RE WILLING TO CONTEND WITH THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE, WE ACTUALLY LOVE THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND WE'VE DONE STUFF AND DIG NOBODY HILL AND, UH, QUITE A FEW PROJECTS THERE. AND SO WE, WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND RIGHT. AND WE LOVE THAT YEAH. AESTHETIC. SO, BUT IF WE CAN'T DO THE FOUR HOUSES ON ONE LOT, THEN NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, UM, IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND IF THERE WERE A LIMIT, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, I ALSO DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A 500 SQUARE FOOT HOME EITHER, SO. RIGHT, RIGHT. I GUESS, I GUESS SO. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS, IS THE QUAD IS, IS IS, YOU KNOW, FOUR EQUAL BLOCKS RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. WHAT IF IT TURNS INTO MORE OF AN, A AMOEBA SHAPED, UH, OUTLINE FOR EACH OF THE LOTS THAT YOU WANNA DO? YOU KNOW WHAT I, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AT POINT, INSTEAD OF FOUR IDENTICAL, YOU KNOW, SQUARE PLOTS, RIGHT? I, AND I THINK PER THE CITY WE'RE ALLOWED TO PLOT INTO THOSE FOUR EQUAL LOTS BECAUSE THE ZONING IS R SIX. SO AS LONG AS EACH LOT MEETS THE MINIMUM OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, WE CAN PLOT IT INTO THOSE FOUR LOTS. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ONE MOMENT PLEASE. UM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL DO MOTION THEN. WELL, WE GOTTA HOLD ON THE MOTION BECAUSE THE MOTION WE, RIGHT NOW WE MOTION CAN GO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS. RIGHT? BUT WAIT, BUT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO DISCUSSION, WE NEED A MOTION. RIGHT? AND THEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL DO A MOTION. WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSSION AND WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT WE DECIDE THAT WE MAKE THE MOTION AND THEN WE GO INTO DISCUSSION. SO IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, I'LL ALLOW THAT. BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA GO FOR A MOTION. YES. UH, UNDERSTOOD. CORRECT. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I LOOK AT THIS FROM A PURVIEW STANDPOINT, RIGHT? AND, UM, SO I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND I'M GONNA ADD, UM, ONE MORE STIPULATION. AND IT'S THAT IF YOU CAN UNLOCK A AND C OR CNA, UM, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT ENCROACHING ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT ESPECIALLY LOT C COULD BE, UM, MOVED. YEAH. CAN YOU PULL UP THE LOTS, EDWARD, PLEASE. AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. UM, AND WE DO TAKE THOSE INTO CONSERVATION. SO THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, HOW WE LOOK AT IT AS, YOU KNOW, FROM A PURVIEW STANDPOINT IS THAT THIS IS A NEW DISTRICT, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. SECOND, THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, BOTH MODERN CONSTRUCTION AND OLDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE GUIDELINES OR OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION CAN, UM, JUSTIFY THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, FOUR STRUCTURES. I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH YOU AND I THINK IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, LESS EQUAL OR MORE INDIVIDUAL STYLES EACH HOME, AND THEN MAKING SURE WE RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE NEIGHBORS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS THE HOUSE THAT'S CLOSEST TO, UM, THAT WOULD BE LOT C MM-HMM. ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE? CORRECT. OKAY. GO AHEAD, SIR. WELL, MR. CHAIR, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU PULL THE APPLICATION YOURSELVES AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. UM, THI THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION OF A DIFFERENT URBAN PLAN, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A, A, A, A, PRETTY MUCH A COMMUNITY THAT WHILE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ARE THINGS THAT ARE FAR OUTSIDE OF ANYBODY'S JURISDICTION, UH, A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, THE WAY THAT DRIVEWAYS ARE APPROACHED AND, AND WITH RESPECT TO PLATTING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, ONCE IT GETS TO FIRE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS OF HOW YOU GET IN AND HOW YOU GET OUT. SO IT'S NOT JUST DIVIDING A PROPERTY INTO FOUR PIECES, RIGHT? PARTICULARLY IF THE ACCESS TO THE REAR MM-HMM. HAS TO COME IN, OBVIOUSLY TO THE FRONT, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALLEY. SO IN, IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION COMES IN, IT COMES IN FOR CONCEPTUAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A CON IT'S NOT A CONCEPT YET. SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEFORE IT'S TIME. AND IN THAT IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO GET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS, UH, IT'S AN ENCLAVE. IT'S A VERY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF, UH, DEFENDING THAT COMMUNITY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND, UM, UH, IT'S, UM, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AND IN, AND, AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEST INTEREST THAT Y'ALL DO WHAT YOU CAN TO AT LEAST COMMUNICATE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PLEASE THEM AND, AND EVERY INSTANCE THAT THEY, THAT THEY WANT, BUT THAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING ONE, ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT BECOMES FOUR PIECE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE NOW STACKED. IT, IT DOES [00:40:01] PRESENT A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE TO, TO YOU. AND, UH, THE WAY THAT IT, THE WAY THAT THE PROJECT COMES IN, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT IN BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. THAT IS WHAT YOU SUBMITTED. SO AS A CONCEPTUAL, EVERYTHING THAT IS THE RECORD HERE, WE'RE APPROVING AS CONCEPTUAL AND THE, THE FLOOR PLANS THAT ARE PRESENTED, THEY ALREADY GO AGAINST SOME OF THE, THE STANDARD GUIDELINES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE AREN'T ANY EXAMPLES OF IT IN THAT AREA. SO I WOULD THINK THAT RATHER THAN RISK, THE THE, UM, UM, THE MOTION NOT CARRYING THAT YOU WOULD PULL, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, GET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN COME BACK SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE VERY SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT, NOT ONLY WASTING YOUR TIME FOR YOUR INVESTMENT, BUT, BUT GETTING INTO A PROCESS THAT MAY NOT, YOU MAY NOT, UH, GET TO THE OTHER SIDE ON. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? QUESTION MS. MAYO? UM, I WILL, UM, ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER HAS SAID AND SORT OF A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT, UM, YES, THERE ARE LARGE HOUSES WITH OUR LARGER FOOTPRINTS IN THIS AREA. YES, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS SITTING RELATIVELY CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THIS AREA. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS AREA, THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY UNIQUE. IT SEEMS THAT THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE CAME ABOUT ORGANICALLY, STARTS WITH A HOUSE, EXCUSE ME. AND THEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, YOU GET ADDITIONS. AND SO THOSE ADDITIONS REFLECT THE KIND OF HIERARCHY THAT ACKNOWLEDGES ACCESSORY. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE MAJOR VOL AND THEN SMALLER ADDITIONS THAT MAKE UP THESE PROPERTIES. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH HISTORIC, I THINK YOUR, YOUR CASE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH, UM, MUCH STRONGER HAD YOU COME WITH, UM, ARCHITECTURE OR DESIGNS AND ELEVATIONS THAT ACTUALLY MET THE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THESE REALLY DON'T, SO I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING RELATIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR MAYBE, UM, UH, A REFLECTION. AND I BELIEVE THE FIRST CASE FILE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL FOR ZONING. AND I THINK THAT'S HOW A LOT OF US WERE LOOKING AT IT AS WE REVIEWED IT, THAT IT WAS FOR ZONING AND UM, UH, THIS FILE THAT WE HAVE LOADED UP IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. AND SO THEREFORE WE FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T NEED THE ZONING. AND I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU DO ACTUALLY NEED THE ZONING. SOMETIMES WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE STILL NEED ELEVATIONS. WE STILL NEED TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE THINKING WE WERE JUST GONNA TRY AND COME IN AND GET APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPT. SURE. I THINK IT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ABIDE BY ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS, IT NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD AGREE WITH, SO WE WANT TO GO LITTLE BIT FURTHER SHOWS WHAT RETURN YEAH. AND RETURN IT TO WE HAVE. SO SOME YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE, THE, THE AREA YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE LIVING IN. CAN YOU RIGHT SIDE OR YEAH, THROUGHOUT. THROUGHOUT, YEAH. WOULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE? BECAUSE IN SUBMITTING THIS PLAN, UM, STAFF HAS ALREADY REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, UM, THE AESTHETICS OR THE ARCHITECTURE. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THE GARAGE IN THE FRONT NEEDS TO GO IN THE BACK. THAT'S TERRIFIC. WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THAT. UM, WE HAD INITIALLY ASKED IF THE HOUSES IN THE BACK COULD FACE THE SIDE. THEY SAID NO. SO WE HAD THE DESIGNER CHANGE ROOM TO THE FRONT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER ALL MASONRY OR WE CAN HAVE SIGN. SO WE'VE AGREED TO ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS. SO THOSE WILL GET APPROVED AT AT FINAL. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CONCEPT FOR, FOR A PROJECT THAT IS THIS EXTENSIVE, THIS MUCH BUILT AREA. I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU ALL TO SHOW THE COMMISSION MORE INFORMATION RATHER THAN LESS INFORMATION. THE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, MONICA, IS THAT WE DON'T OWN THE LOT AND SO TO DO, WE'RE ALREADY IN THIS FINANCIALLY. AND SO THE, OKAY, SO LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE, OUR JOB HERE IS NOT TO DESIGN, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU. SO, AND UM, THE THING IS THAT, SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, SO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE CURRENTLY BECAUSE, AND WE CAN ONLY GO BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE CHOSE TO SHOW US. SHOW US, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, SO WE'LL, UM, I, I'M GONNA STOP THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING HERE AND THEN SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST GO INTO THE MOTION AND THEN SEE IF IT GETS APPROVED OR NOT, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. SO, UM, DID ANYBODY ELSE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOBODY HAS, I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE THING PLEASE. THE OPTION OF YOU GUYS. COMMISSIONER S DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, SIR? YES. JUST VERY QUICKLY. I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE. YOU KNOW, I, I, AGAIN, [00:45:01] I ECHO WHAT MY COMMISSIONER'S ARE SAYING. I CAN, I CAN'T REALLY GET BEHIND THIS. THIS SEEMS LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AS OPPOSED TO ONE LOT THAT HAS A MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN OTHER BUILDINGS TO SERVE THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED FOR THE FAMILY, RIGHT? IT SHOULD JUST BE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU PRESENTED. BUT WHAT I SEE HERE IS FOUR DIFFERENT LOTS THAT COULD EASILY BE CHOPPED UP, CARVED UP AND MOVED ALONG OR, OR, OR, OR, OR, UH, SOLD IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THOSE MOTIONS. I WON'T BE APPROVING IT. BUILDING FOUR LOTS, FOUR HOUSES ON ONE LOT WOULD BE MULTI-FAMILY. IT'S NOT A, IT NOT SAY, WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT EXACTLY. IT'S NOT A MULTI-FAMILY AND IT'S ZONED R SIX AND AFTER DIVIDING IT INTO FOUR, WE STILL HAVE MORE THAN THE 6,000 MINIMUM REQUIRED TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO THIS IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD. AND THEN ONCE THE ENGINEER GETS IN AND REPLANTS IT, WELL, HE'LL GIVE US DIRECTION ON, UH, THE FIRE LANES. 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEFORE, NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT BUILDING STRUCTURES BEHIND EXISTING STRUCTURES AND WHAT THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY. THANK YOU. ONE MOMENT COMMISSIONER FEER. A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON AN R SIX ZONING. UM, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO BUILD MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE LOT WITHOUT HAVING TO SUBDIVIDE IT AND REPL I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT, BUT TYPICALLY LIKE YES, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT, NO, THE, THE TYPE OF ZONING, LIKE IT DICTATES HOW MANY UNITS YOU CAN HAVE BASED ON HOW MUCH SPACE THERE IS. IF WE LOOK UP THE ZONING, WE COULD PULL THAT UP EDWARD, BUT R SIX IS RESIDENTIAL WITHIN MINIMUM. THIS IS NOT THE ZONING COMMISSION. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH. NO, I KNOW, BUT IT'S AN EASY CHART IF YOU PULL UP THE CITY ZONING ONLINE. UM, MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY EVEN WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD HOLD ONE SECOND PLEASE. ARE YOU, YOU? UNLESS SOMEONE CAN UH, ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UH, I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER THANKS. I FEEL LIKE I JUST NEED TO REITERATE STAFF'S ROLE HERE IN THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION. AS WE ARE LOOKING AT OVERALL LOT COVERAGE, SETBACKS, BUILDING ORIENTATION, THE THINGS THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES POINT TO, WE CANNOT DICTATE HOW THESE PROPERTIES ARE USED. WE CAN'T REALLY GET INTO DENSITY EITHER. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT COVERAGE BUILDING MASSING, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT VOLUME YET. WE'RE JUST COMMENTING ON WHAT WE SEE. THERE'S NO MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SOMEBODY TO ASK A QUESTION TO THIS COMMISSION UNLESS YOU'RE ASKING FOR A COA. SO YOU CAN TAKE BABY STEPS ALONG THE WAY IF YOU WANT APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, THAT'S AN OPTION. YOU WANT TO COME IN WITH PRETTY DETAILED CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, THAT'S AN OPTION TOO. UM, BUT THERE'S NO KIND OF THRESHOLD TO CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. AND SO THEY'RE ABLE TO ASK THE QUESTION BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED DATE. AND SO WE'VE REVIEWED WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE, THERE MIGHT. AND WE HAVE ADDED THE STIPULATION THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE CONFORMING WITH ZONING AND PLATING REQUIREMENTS. THE PLAT REVIEW IS NOT REALLY A QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY. IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE SIZE OF THE PROS LOTS CONFORMS WITH THE DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN. AND SO THAT'S USUALLY AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED IF IT CONFORMS. AND SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF HOUSES AND THAT THAT HAPPENS AT THE PLATING PROCESS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY ALL OF THAT AND KIND OF OUR ROLE HERE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ADDRESS, BUT THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION ISN'T REALLY LOOKING AT DENSITY OR HOW THE PROPERTIES ARE USED OR THE OWNERSHIP. THANK YOU. SO MR. MCG CHAIR, YOU JUST SAID EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY, WHICH IS I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT IS OUR PURVIEW. WE CAN ALL HAVE PERSONAL OPINIONS AND WE'VE ALSO LISTENED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO ALSO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND THEY PROBABLY ALSO NEED THIS CONCEPTUAL JUST TO GET AN IDEA TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. THE APPLICANT STILL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WITHDRAW AT ANY TIME. MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD. UM, IT'S IMPORTANT, ASIDE FROM ALL THE OPINIONS THAT, UM, THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING AND THE CONTRADICTIONS ARE GREAT BECAUSE WE TAKE, WE TAKE PRO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CASES WE TAKE AND WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF REASONS AND WE USE THE CASE BY CASE SCENARIO TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT TO ME ARE NO-BRAINERS AND THEY END UP BEING PHD STUDIES. SO, UH, MAYBE I'M WRONG AND SOMETIMES, MAYBE I'M RIGHT. THE, THE, THE STANDING ISSUE HERE IS, UH, PATTERN AND YEAH, WE, WE, WE DO GET A LOT OF ARGUMENTS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH RESPECT TO THIS TREND THAT IS OCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IT IS WELL WORTH, UH, THIS APPLICANT GETTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEM, UH, UH, AT LEAST HAVING A MEETING OF THE MINDS TO DISCUSS, UM, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FOR THIS PATTERN. AND THAT DOES INCLUDE US ENTERTAINING THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A GARAGE FRONT LOADING ON THESE HOUSES. NOW STAFF STIPULATIONS SAY THAT [00:50:01] THAT UH, THEY CAN DETACH THE GARAGE, BUT I DROVE BY A HOUSE ON PINE WHERE WE MADE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT A DETACHED GARAGE AND WE DIDN'T PASS IT UNTIL THEY DETACHED IT AND BROUGHT IT BACK AND SHOWED IT TO US BECAUSE DETACHING THE GARAGE IS GONNA HAVE IMPLICATE IMPLICATIONS ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THEIR, OF THEIR FOUR PLAS. NOW IT ALSO CREATES ANOTHER ISSUE FOR ME. WE HAVE ONE PROJECT ON ONE SET OF PROPERTY THAT IS GONNA END UP BEING FOUR PROJECTS. AND I APPRECIATE THE AR I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION OF FAMILY AND ALL THAT. WE WANNA KEEP FAMILY TOGETHER, BUT, BUT ONCE THEY BECOME FOUR INDIVIDUAL LOTS, THE WORD FAMILY REALLY LEAVES OUR VOCABULARY A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES OR A DEED RESTRICTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN OUR PURVIEW. ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE FOUR DIFFERENT LOTS. AND RIGHT NOW TO GET INTO THOSE TWO LOTS IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES. AND TO ME, IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS USING JUST, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE, UM, UH, CONCEPTUAL THEORY HERE, UH, WE WE HAVE TO SEE ELEVATIONS, WE HAVE TO SEE. SO, UM, BECAUSE WE GOT A VERY FINELY DETAILED FLOOR PLAN, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS THAT SAY I ASK THIS, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP BIG COMMENTS. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST REALLY GOING BACK AND FORTH OVER THINGS THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE, UM, AND THEN WE VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS BEST AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YEAH. YES SIR. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPTION BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN, WAIT, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE MOTION. THEY, THEY CAN PULL, IF THEY CHOOSE, THEY CAN COMPLETELY CHOOSE. BUT THEY, THEY SHOULD ALSO BE REMINDED THAT WE HAVE THE DRC WHERE THEY CAN COME BACK TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, A COMMITTEE OF THIS COMMISSION TO SHOW SOME ALTERATIONS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE THINKING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS GOT AHEAD OF WHAT WOULD'VE NORMALLY BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE A VOTE NOW. SO, AND I, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHISPERS BEFORE US. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND YOU KNOW, AND MANY, MANY THINGS HAVE TO COME, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN BEFORE IT GETS TO DESIGN AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BEING BUILT. SO, SO THE MOTION'S GONNA GO FORWARD. NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE VOTE AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL SEE HOW THAT LAYS OUT. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE? UM, NO, JUST THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ONE PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA GET REPLANTED INTO FOUR PROPERTIES. SO I THINK THE, THE TERMINOLOGY OF IT BEING A FOURPLEX OR OR FOUR PROPERTIES ON ONE PROPERTY IS INCORRECT. 'CAUSE ONCE IT GETS REPLANTED IT'LL BE BE FOUR DIFFERENT QUARTER ACRE PROPERTIES, WHICH IS CONSISTENT IN THAT AREA. SO I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS REALLY SEMANTICS RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE IT'S FOUR, FOUR PIECES OF FOUR HOMES ON ONE LOT OR FOUR PROPERTIES, WHATEVER. THAT'S FINE. SO LET'S SAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE VOTE NOW. SO, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINO NAY, VELAZQUEZ NAY BAZOOKA NAY RA NAY GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NO FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS NAY. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. DO WE NEED NEW MOTION? RIGHT. MOTION TO MOVE TO DRC. IS THERE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND PROPERLY SECONDS. UM, MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAVINO NAY. VELAZQUEZ NAY ZUKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES NO, FETZER. AYE AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE LAST MOTION? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE AUDIENCE WHAT GROUP? YES. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THE, THE FIRST MOTION, UM, FAILED, UM, BECAUSE UM, IT WAS, IT WAS VOTED DOWN. SO THE SECOND MOTION WAS THAT WE MOVED TO A DRC, WHICH IS A DESIGN REVIEW, UM, MEETING. SO, SO THAT PASSED. SO THAT WE ARE GONNA SET UP A, WHAT A CLIENT HAS OPPORTUNITY TO SET UP A DRZ AT THE, AT THEIR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE. SO WELL WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GO FIRST. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH, UM, ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, I JUST SAY PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS FOR, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND WHATEVER THAT CAN HELP MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT THERE'LL BE NO DECISIONS MADE AT THAT MEETING. ANY DECISION WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO THIS BODY. SO YOU WOULD GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO COMMENT. MAY I ASK? STEP UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE, SIR. STEP UP. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? [00:55:01] MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, ALLUSIONS TO THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY'S GONNA BE REPLANTED. UH, HOWEVER I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT APPLIED AND RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF DETERMINATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. NOW WHAT DOES THAT DO TO SIR? THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION. WE CAN PROBABLY HELP YOU IN THE HALLWAY AND DSD STAFF CAN PROBABLY ASSIST YOU. WE HAVE OTHER BUSINESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE. [New cases] HDRC CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 1 9 2 0 1 ROSEBORO STREET. UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A REVIEW BY THE HDRC REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 1 ROSEBORO STREET FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND WE HAVE MR. VINCENT MICHAEL, DR. VINCENT MICHAEL OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS PRESENT, AS ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ST. PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH. UH, THIS IS, UH, LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED FOR, UH, DEMOLITION, UH, PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. UH, DR. MICHAEL, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? UH, THANK YOU. VINCENT MICHAEL AT 8 26 WEST CRAIG PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND I'M EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE, UH, FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS PROPERTY MET THE FIVE CRITERIA WE OUTLINED IN THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF SIGNIFICANCE AND FOR THOSE REASONS, UH, WANTED TO, UH, HAVE THE COMMISSION, UH, REVIEW ITS SIGNIFICANCE AS A POTENTIAL LANDMARK. UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, UM, AND WE WERE PRESENT TO, UH, VIEW THE PROPERTY AT THE DRC MEETING. UH, SO I CAN RESPOND TO QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE THE, THE CHURCH OWNERS OR REPRESENTATIVES COME UP, PLEASE? THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE, UH, PASTOR DAVID CASTILLO AND, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ST. PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH. YEAH. SO, UH, I'M HERE WITH, UH, PASTOR DAVE, WHO'S THE SENIOR, UH, HEAD PASTOR AT ST. PAUL. UH, I'M ADAM MARTIN. UM, I'M AN ACTIVE MEMBER AND AN ARCHITECT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE RONNIE BEIGER, WHO'S ALSO A, UH, UH, RETIRED ARCHITECT, UH, ALSO A MEMBER AT ST. PAUL. YEAH, YEAH, DAVE MARILLO, UH, SENIOR PASTOR ST. PAUL LUTHERAN. UH, WE, UM, ARE HERE TO REQUEST, UH, I MEAN, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE TO, UH, SERVE THE COMMUNITY. UH, WE, WE'VE HAD IT THERE FOR OVER A CENTURY, OR PARDON ME, CLOSE TO A CENTURY, AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF, UH, DAMAGE, A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT. I THINK YOU HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THERE. WE BROUGHT ENGINEERS OUT AND THEY TOLD US IT'S NOT SAFE TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE ANYMORE. IT'S NOT A SCHOOL. I THINK IT WAS MISREPORTED THAT IT WAS A SCHOOL, UH, IT WAS A SCHOOL 60 YEARS AGO. IT'S BEEN A THRIFT STORE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. UH, AND SO NOW WE'RE HERE TO, UH, YEAH, SEE, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. SHOULD I MAKE A STATEMENT? CAN I MAKE A QUICK, UH, UH, YEAH. SO WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE, UH, UH, COMING OUT. THEY'RE INTEREST IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO DISCUSS THE, THE PROPERTY WITH US. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS PASTOR SAID HERE, WE'VE ENLISTED MANY PROFESSIONALS, UM, ARCHITECTS, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. UH, THE BUILDING HAS MAJOR STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND, UH, EXTENSIVE WATER DAMAGE OVER THE YEARS. HAS A BASEMENT THAT'S BEEN FLOODED, UH, CONSISTENTLY FLOODS. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT, OF COURSE, THE FIRST, UH, IDEA IS ALWAYS TO PRESERVE. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS, AS HAS RONNIE. UH, AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE PROJECT AND, AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FEASIBILITY WAS, WHAT SHORING, UH, STABILIZATION WOULD, WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE. UM, ULTIMATELY OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SAID THE BUILDING IS IN, IN, UH, DANGER OF COLLAPSE FROM A, FROM A BUCKLING BASEMENT WALL. WE HAVE THE SCHOOL YARD DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS BUILDING. UM, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE CORDON OFF THAT AREA JU UH, YOU KNOW, AS A PRECAUTION. UM, AND SO, UH, AND SO WE'RE DOING OUR BEST HERE TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH IT. AND, UH, WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT DEMOLITION IS THE, IS THE RIGHT, UH, UH, APPROACH FOR, FOR THE MOMENT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ST. PAUL HAS A [01:00:01] RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE TAX CODE, UH, SECTION 1120, UH, WE DON'T CONSENT TO, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UM, AND SO, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION, UH, 2 11 0, UH, 1 6 5. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT KNOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP. SO I'LL CALL THEM, AFTER THEY'VE PROVIDED TESTIMONY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS TO ANYBODY THAT'S PRESENTED, WHETHER IT'S THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER, OR ANY OF THE SPEAKERS. SO, ADAM EL DOTO. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ADDRESS. I'M IN COURT CLOSE , I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT. UH, 2 0 8 ROSEBORO, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0. WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. ADMIRAL RETE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ST. PAUL'S. UH, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN A LANDMARK FOR ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY. I, LET ME REPHRASE. I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE IN THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY GOES TO SIGN A PETITION NOT TO HAVE THIS TORN DOWN. THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN A LANDMARK FOR US. IT'S BEEN A STAPLE. THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THAT WHEN IT WAS A YOUTH CENTER AND, UH, HOME HEALTH AND, UH, UH, SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I GREW UP THERE. I KNOW EVERY INCH OF THAT BUILDING I'VE DONE, ASIDE FROM SERVICE, I'VE DONE, UH, MILITARY SERVICE, I'VE DONE, I'VE DONE, UM, UH, CARPENTRY AND EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE LIFE. WHEN IT CONSISTS OF THAT BACK WALL THAT CAN BE REMEDIED. YES, IT CAN. AND THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. I KNOW A WAY TO DO IT. I KNOW THAT BUILDING, LIKE I SAID, FROM EVERY INCH TOP TO BOTTOM, WE SERVICE THAT COMMUNITY ALL SINCE LATE SIXTIES, EARLY SEVENTIES, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DAY. IT WAS, IT WAS THAT THEY MOVED TO, UH, THE, THE WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW ON SOUTH PRE STREET. WHAT WE DON'T LIKE OR APPRECIATE IS, UH, AND I'LL EVEN READ IF YOU, IF YOU COULD BEAR WITH ME, WHY WASN'T THIS, UH, WHY IS THIS SUCH A DEMAND TO DEMOLISH 2 0 1 ROSEBORO? WHY DID ST. PAUL BOARD ATTEMPT TO UP UPKEEP ALL THIS TIME AND AT LEAST NOTIFY EVERY ONE OF US IN THE IMMEDIATE SOBRIETY COMMUNITY THAT IN FACT WAS A CHURCH? IT WAS THERE BEFORE ST. PAUL'S CHURCH WAS BUILT. IF YOU LOOK BACK, IT WAS A SCHOOL, IT WAS A CHURCH, IT WAS A PLACE TO GO TO. IT WAS A SANCTUARY. AND TO THIS DAY, IT STILL HOLDS A REPRESENTATION OF JUST AS IF IT WERE THE ALAMO, THAT WAS OUR ALAMO. IT, IT, IT HOLDS A, IT HOLDS A STANDARD. IT MAKES US FEEL COMFORTABLE. IT MA THAT WE BELONG. AND ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, SIR, SIR, SIR, ANOTHER THING, PLEASE START, PLEASE START UP YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS SAID WAS, AND I WILL TOO. I GIVE YOU MY SOLEMN WORD TO EVERY ONE OF YOU ON THE BOARD. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY WILL VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME ON THEIR OWN REGARD TO KEEP THIS BUILDING UP TO PAR. SO IF YOU NEED US, YOU, YOU JUST LET US KNOW, SIR. WE JUST DON'T, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THE, THE, THE MOTH BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BE IT'S, IT IS BEEN A STANDARD FOR ALL OF US, ALL OF OUR LIVES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ADAM. MARTIN. THANK YOU, SIR. SO I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, OR AT LEAST GIVE US SIR, SIR, THANK YOU. OKAY. OR AT LEAST GIVE US THE TIME TO THANK YOU, SIR. FIGURE OUT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ADAM. MARTIN, THANK YOU SPOKE. SO YOU ALREADY SPOKE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, HE WAS OUR ONLY, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKER. SO AT THIS POINT, WE COULD DO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I HAVE QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. UH, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SINO. UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS HEARING IS NOT TO DETERMINE REPAIRABILITY RECONSTRUCTION, RENOVATION, RESTORATION, PRESERVATION OR DEMOLITION. THIS IS MERELY [01:05:01] A STEP FOR HISTORIC FINDING OR FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TECHNICALLY? UM, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IN THE STATE LAW, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION. UM, THAT'S WHY THERE HAS BEEN A DRC SITE VISIT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION. UM, TYPICALLY YES, WHEN DEMOLITION IS PROPOSED AS A RESULT OF A, UM, OR IN A RESULTS IN A ELIGIBILITY QUESTION, UM, THE APPLICANT, OR SORRY, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN COME TO YOU AND KIND OF GIVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE. UM, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, AND SO YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL OF THE FACTS AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO INFORM YOUR DECISION. BUT, BUT TECHNICALLY, YES, THE ONLY ACTION ITEM TODAY IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE ITEM OR THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR DESIGNATION. OKAY. AND MY SECOND ITEM IS, UM, IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE WHO ATTENDED THE SITE VISIT THAT CAN GIVE US A REPORT ON WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT THEY SAW? YES. UM, I ATTENDED THE MEETING, THE SITE VISIT WITH THE, UH, CHURCH REPRESENTATIVES AND CONSERVATION SOCIETY REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS, UH, OHP STAFF. AND, UM, LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, UM, YES, IT DOES HAVE SOME SERIOUS STRUCTURAL ISSUES, BUT IT ALSO, UH, IN MY ESTIMATION, MEETS THE, UM, EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR A FINDING OF SIGNIFICANCE. THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF, I SHOULD SAY THERE IS SOME MATERIAL IN THERE THAT, UM, SHOULD COME DOWN, UH, SHOULD BE SALVAGED. AND, UH, I WAS AMAZED AT HOW, WHAT CONDITION, THE, THE MAJOR WINDOWS WERE, THEY WERE IN A LOT BETTER CONDITION THAN, UM, ONES THAT, UH, ARE TYPICALLY REBUILT. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, STAFF TO WORK WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT TO, UH, HAVE A FULL PLAN OF SALVAGE AND DECONSTRUCTION. BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THERE AND THE, THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IT HAS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT IT DOES MEET THE, UH, VALUATION CRITERIA THAT THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF, UH, PUT FORWARD COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES. AND I ACTUALLY, UM, WANTED TO GO DEEPER ON THOSE. CAN YOU PUT THEM UP ON THE SCREEN? SO 1 4, 5 8, 12. RIGHT. SO THE, UM, GUIDELINES SAY WE SHOULD MEET AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA. I UNDERSTAND. NUMBER ONE, I FEEL LIKE THAT ONE'S BEEN JUSTIFIED. I WANNA MAKE SURE IF STAFF NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE ARCHITECT RICHARD VAN STRATTON, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE MORE STORIES OF HIM. UM, IS THAT A VALID MASTER BUILDER, DESIGNER, ARCHITECT? UH, YES. AND SECTION G, THE ARCHITECTURAL TO ARCHITECTURAL DESCRIPTION, UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, THE ARCHITECT, UH, RICHARD VANDER STRATTON. HE, IN ADDITION TO THE ST. PAUL LUTHERAN SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOW BEING USED AS THE THRIFT STORE, THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN QUESTION, HE ALSO DESIGNED THE ST. PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH, AND ALSO THE SAN FRANCISCO DE PAOLA CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH IS, UH, LOCATED, UM, ON, ON THE CITY'S, UH, NEAR WEST SIDE, UM, WHERE THE PIAZZA ITALIA IS NOW LOCATED. UH, ALSO THE AURORA APARTMENTS AT HOWARD STREET, UH, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, RETAIL STRUCTURES IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THEN FIVE AND 12, I'M SURE IT'S MAYBE A TYPO IN ONE STALL. YOU HAVE MEDITERRANEAN RENAISSANCE STYLE. THE OTHER ONE, MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL STYLE JUST MIGHT BE THE SAME. YES. UH, SORRY FOR THE DISCREPANCY THERE, UH, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, STYLE THAT WAS SUGGESTED, UH, IN THE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S OUR PREVIEW, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO, UH, REALLY LOOKING AT THIS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE FIVE, EIGHT, AND 12, YOU'RE PROBABLY USING A LOT OF THE SAME JUSTIFICATION, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF G UH, I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I'M, I MAY WANNA SAY, LIKE, I, I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST THREE. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE TO ALL FIVE, OR DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT STUFF? UH, YES. THESE WERE THE CRITERIA THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UH, WE CONFERRED, UH, AND AGREED THAT ALL OF THESE CRITERIA WERE, UH, MET, YOU [01:10:01] KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY TO, UH, SUPPORT, UH, THE SUGGESTION FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY REQUIRE THREE, BUT THESE FIVE, WE FELT WERE MET, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY FOR THIS CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, FOR, JUST FOR STAFF, UH, SOME CLARIFICATION NOW, UM, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE GENTLEMAN HERE. UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, KIND OF BEING MISLEADING WITH RESPECT TO THE RIGHTS OF THE OWNER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A RELIGIOUS BUILDING, AND IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THERE WAS A BILL PASSED THAT PROHIBITED MUNICIPALITIES, UH, FROM INTERFERING IN THE, UH, SIR, UM, QUESTION. YOU HAVE QUESTION SESSION, YOUR HONOR. WELL, I, I NEED CLARIFICATION. I, I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT, UH, UH, UH, WELL, WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR STAFF IN ITS BEST, UH, MOST, MOST, UH, CLARIFIED WAY TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORD AND CLEAR, IF YOU COULD REMIND US OF WHAT THAT HOUSE BILL LEGISLATION, UH, IS. CHARLES, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT. UM, SO THE LEGISLATION, UH, PROVIDES A PROCESS BY WHICH CITIES CAN TAKE FORWARD A LANDMARK DESIGNATION OUTSIDE OF OWNER CONSENT. AND SO, LANDMARK DESIGNATION, AS YOU REMEMBER, IS A CHANGE IN ZONING. AND SO THE STATE LEGISLATION REALLY SPEAKS TO THAT ZONING PROCESS. AND SO THERE'S A LOT IN THERE ABOUT THAT. YOU'LL RECALL THAT A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IS NOT THE ZONING QUESTION. THIS IS THE INITIAL PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE DO FOR EVERY, UM, LANDMARK DESIGNATION, REQUEST TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY. UM, AND SO THIS IS A PUBLIC PROCESS. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE STATE LAW THAT PRECLUDES US FROM HAVING A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO A POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE PROPERTY. WHAT IT DOES DICTATE IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS. AND SO THERE'S REALLY NO PATH FORWARD TO FORMAL DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE FELT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST FROM BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UM, SPEAK TO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE AND REALLY WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME, WHICH IS PROBABLY SALVAGED BASED ON THE EVIDENCE FROM THE SITE VISIT. OKAY. BUT, BUT NOW, SPECIFICALLY, CORY, WHAT IS THE STATE, UH, WHAT'S THE STATUTE WITH THE STATE IN TERMS OF RELIGIOUS BUILDINGS? AND WE CANNOT, FOR DEMOLITION, CANNOT, WE CANNOT REZONE A RELIGIOUS OWNED PROPERTY TO INCLUDE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IF THE RELIGIOUS OWNED PROPERTY DOES NOT CONSENT. THANK YOU, COREY. I'D LIKE MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK WE DO HAVE A QUESTION. NO, I WAS PLANNING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT, OKAY. MR. SINA, UM, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND A PLAN FOR SALVAGE AND DIS DECONSTRUCTION, GIVEN THE POORER STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS AS, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, FETZER MENTIONED WITH THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, 1, 4, 5, 8, AND 12 BEING PART OF THE DESIGNATION, SECOND MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION, UH, WELL, I'LL LEAVE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION FIRST AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW. OH, UM, I, I, THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS, UM, SUGGESTING. UM, WE RELY, IN THIS CASE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION WHETHER DEMOLITION IS THE CORRECT THING OR WHETHER THERE CAN BE ANOTHER WAY TO UTILIZE THIS BUILDING, EITHER IN PART OR IN ITS ENTIRETY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, JUST COMMENTS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, JUST THAT TO THE ULTIMATE LAST OPTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THIS BUILDING DOWN IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY. AND SOMETIMES, UH, A BUILDING COULD BE STABILIZED AND WAIT TILL THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE. THE, THE BUILDING MEANS A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO DO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, PERHAPS THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE OUTWEIGH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MEMORY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE Y'ALL'S CALL, RIGHT? UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, UH, UH, SEARCH YOUR SOULS, UH, AND SEE IF YOU DON'T GET AN ANSWER BACK THAT SAYS THAT, THAT YOU CAN SAVE THIS BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. EVA AYE. GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10. [01:15:05] ITEM NUMBER 10 ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 3 3 5 0 4. KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED CARPORT MEASURING APPROXIMATELY 200 SQUARE 260 SQUARE FEET ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC PORTICO SHARE OVER THE EXISTING COBBLESTONE DRIVE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ANY NEW STRUCTURES BE LOCATED BEHIND THE HISTORIC PORTICO SHARE BASED ON FINDING C THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR FILES, AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, DANIEL CRUZ WITH US HERE TODAY. YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND PRESS THAT BUTTON. WHICH BUTTON? THE BUTTON RIGHT HERE BY THE MIC. HI GUYS. UH, DANIEL CRUZ. I'M WITH DESIGN COOP. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE REQUESTING A CARPORT. UM, JUST WANNA STATE THAT WE DID ABIDE BY ALL STIPULA, UH, ALL GUIDELINES, MINUS ONE, WHICH IS THE SETBACKS. WE ARE LIMITED BASED ON SITE CONDITIONS. UH, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT A CARPORT IN FRONT OF AN EXISTING PORT RICOCHET. UH, HOWEVER, WE DID TAKE IN ALL CONSIDERATIONS TO DETACH IT FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, LOWER THE HEIGHT, AND, UM, PRETTY MUCH, AND, AND SET IT BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE SO THAT WE COULD, UH, GIVE EVERYTHING OUR CLIENT IS LOOKING FOR. UM, SO I'M LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO HELP ME GET THIS APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THIS FOR OUR CLIENT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE EXISTING PORT OF KCHE IS NOT OF STANDARDS FOR A TRADITIONAL VEHICLE NOWADAYS, SO IT IS HARD TO PARK A, A VEHICLE DOWN IN THERE, UNDER THERE AS WELL TO PASS THROUGH IT TO PUT A PORT RICOCHET ON THE REAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GROUP. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE PLAN. WHAT IS BEHIND THE EXISTING PORT CHE? IS THERE AN LIKE BUILT OUT FROM THE HOME? SO THAT IS THEIR BACKYARD. UM, THERE IS A, THAT IS AN EXISTING ADDITION. UM, THAT PORTION THERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PORT RICOCHET. UM, IF WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, OR THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE FIVE. IF YOU GO TO FIVE, I SEE THROUGH, IT'S A PICTURES SLIDE FIVE, THAT ONE? CORRECT. SO WHAT IS, YOU CAN PARK, YOU CAN, ARE YOU ASKING WHAT'S BEYOND THE PORT CCHE? YEAH. UM, THERE IS A FENCE, A STEEL FENCE WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING GRASS, UH, VEGETATION. THERE IS ALSO A BASEMENT ENTRY THERE. SO DOING ANY KIND OF, UH, DRIVEWAY THERE WOULD CREATE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES. UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A CLIMATE CLIENT TO SACRIFICE REAR, REAR YARD SPACE. WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT COVERAGE ALREADY WITH CARRIAGE HOUSES AND POOLS AND, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL LOTS OF SPACE. OKAY. UM, I GUESS THOSE WERE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR? YES. UH, ON THE SIDE PLAN, UH, SEE THE PROPOSED CARPORT AND THE EXISTING CARPORT. AND THEN, UH, WHAT I TAKE IT IS AN AREA THAT IS FENCED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT. IT LOOKS LIKE TWO GATES, ONE, EITHER END OF THAT SPACE. UH, SORRY. UH, THERE IS ONLY ONE GATE THERE. NOW THAT SITE PLAN DOES NOT HAVE THAT SECONDARY GATE THERE ON THE REAR. OKAY. AND THAT'S A PAVED AREA NOW? UH, BEHIND THE FENCE? BEHIND THE FENCE CURRENTLY? NO. THERE IS SOD, UM, AND, UH, HEDGES. OKAY. QUESTIONS. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD, SIR. I MOVE FOR DENIAL BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK THE, THE LOT IS LARGE ENOUGH AND THE WHAT'S BEHIND THE EXISTING CARPORT COULD BE, UH, UTILIZED AS A, A NEW CARPORT AND, UH, PUTTING IT IN THE PROPOSED AREA, UH, IS AGAINST THE, THE, UH, HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT WE FOLLOW. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? [01:20:01] YES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD GO TO STAFF OR YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, THERE IS A SERIES OF OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE CARPORTS IN FRONT OF PORT RICOCHETS OR IN THEIR YARD THAT ARE, I GUESS, DEEMED TEMPORARY. IF THIS TOOK A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION OR IS ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED TO BE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, WOULD THIS BE APPROVED? THINK ABOUT LIKE A POP-UP TENT, CORRECT? YEAH. I MEAN WE, A FEW YEARS AGO WE CLARIFIED THAT IF IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING PERMANENT THAT HAS A FOUNDATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T TRIGGER COA REQUEST. OKAY. BECAUSE IF I COULD, I COULD DESIGN AND ENGINEER IT TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SIT ON TOP OF THE EXISTING COBBLESTONE. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THAT WOULD NOT BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION. THAT'D BE AN ACCESSORY. I MEAN A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE THAT SOUNDS DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH, LIKE A POP-UP TENT FROM COSTCO IS NOT SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS A COA, BUT IF YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S SITS ON THE GROUND OR IS IN THE GROUND, LIKE THAT'S STILL GOING TO PROBABLY BE A COA. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. WELL YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE FACT PUTTING IT BEHIND THE PROPERTY. THERE'S, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN SOME MORE PAVEMENT. SO I, I WOULD HAVE TO BE BACK, I GUESS FOR A REQUEST TO I GUESS INSTALL CONCRETE OR COBBLESTONE IN THE REAR. UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES THERE. 'CAUSE THERE, LIKE I SAID, THERE IS AN EXISTING BASEMENT, UM, ENTRANCE THERE THAT IT'S NOT DESIGNATED UNFORTUNATELY. UM, IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT STAIRCASE THAT'S THERE. UM, BUT UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD AGREE TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF IT TO POTENTIALLY MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. AND NO, JUST A COMMENT. AND, AND SIR, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS COMMISSION THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DESIGNING HERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD READ THE TWO UM, POINTS THAT STAFF PUT FORWARD, WHICH IS POINT F AND AND POINT GI THINK THERE REALLY ARE TALKING TOWARDS WHY THIS SPECIFIC. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD JUST READ IN DETAIL AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT ANOTHER SOLUTION. OKAY. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS, UH, THE PLACE FOR US. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DESIGNING IT, SO I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MR. CHAIR. YEAH, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. AND I WAS, SHE, UM, ECHOED MY COMMENTS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY BECAUSE THE THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PRESENTED BEFORE US, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE, I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO VOTE. WE HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE VOTE HASN'T HAPPENED YET, SO NOW I'M TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE NOW BEFORE WE MAKE THE VOTE, BASED ON WHAT YOU BROUGHT BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH. SO NOW YOU HAVE AN OPTION BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE, THEN YOU CAN WITHDRAW. UM, BUT THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. OKAY. BUT, UM, CHANGING HOW YOU WANNA DO THINGS NOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN AT THIS POINT IN THIS JUNCTURE HERE. OKAY? UNDERSTAND? YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE I, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKED IN TERMS OF HOW IF STAFF COULD ACCOMMODATE STIPULATIONS BASED ON Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS MOMENT, BUT, UM, NOT A PROBLEM. WE WILL, UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO RESUBMIT MR. VA, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE FIVE Y OR THE, OR THE ELEVATION, I GUESS IT'S A ACTUAL, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. UH, SINCE IT'S A BACK TO THE DRYING BOARD KIND OF A CIRCUMSTANCE, RIGHT? IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE, UM, ONE OF THE, LET'S SAY DESIGN, UM, DEFIC IS THAT, IS THE, IN THE ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT NOT ORIGINAL, RIGHT? IT, IT MIGHT BE THAT THE EXPERIENCE, THE ELEVATION EXPERIENCE GIVES YOU HEIGHTS, GIVES YOU THICKNESS. AND THAT IF YOU'RE ONLY COMING OUT X AMOUNT OF FEET NECESSARY, THAT PERHAPS IT'S MIMICKING IT STILL BEING SIX INCHES AWAY FROM THE POINTS SO THAT IT'S ARTICULATED AWAY. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DRAW AND LOOK AT. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK, IF IT, IF IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE DIMENSION DIMENS DIMENSION SIZES AND THE HEIGHTS, BUT, BUT, BUT ACTUALLY IS ALMOST CONSIDERED LIKE YOU INTENDED TO BE PERMANENT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT IS AN ADDITION. THAT IT, THAT IT'S, UH, ALMOST A BLATANT, UM, EXTENSION OF WHAT IS THERE LOOKING AT WHERE THE, WHERE THE BEAM LINE IS LOOKING AT THE THICKNESS OF THE COLUMNS, THE ARTICULATION OF THE BASE AND THE HEAD, THE, THE, THE, THE CAPITAL THAT, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, IT MAY SEEM LIKE, LIKE INTUITIVELY THE THING YOU WOULDN'T DO, BUT IT MIGHT BE WHY THE, THE THIN, THE THIN COLUMNS AND THEN THE LITTLE PITCHED ROOF IS JUST, IT JUST LOOKS ALIEN, YOU KNOW? I AGREE. BUT I THINK THE ISSUE, NO MATTER WHAT IS GONNA BE THE SETBACK, 'CAUSE EVERY OTHER STIPULATION, UH, EVERY OTHER GUIDELINE WE MET, UM, IN [01:25:01] TERMS OF DESIGN HEIGHT AND UH, STRUCTURE. SO, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE NO MATTER WHAT, IF I CAME BACK TO ANOTHER HEARING HERE, WE'RE GONNA GET DENIED FOR PUTTING ANY KIND OF CARPORT BUILT CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE PORT OF CCHE. SO THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF IS SUBMITTING FOR A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. AND I DON'T, I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO OP STAFF ABOUT THAT. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO COULD, HE COULD WITHDRAW, RIGHT? YEAH, I THAT'S YOUR OPTION TO EITHER WAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME WITHDRAWING AND THEN GET AND GETTING TO THAT YOU CAN GET A DENIAL, GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR WITHDRAW AND THE REQUEST WAS NEVER WELL, AND WITH THE DENIAL YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REVISE THE APPLICATION AND STILL COME BACK HERE WITH THE WITHDRAWAL. YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL. IT'S JUST REALLY, I GUESS THE APPEAL QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER GROUP'S POINT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE APPEAL? UH, STAFF WILL GO DEEPER INTO YOUR OPTIONS FOR THAT. SO IS IT PREFERRED FOR ME TO WITHDRAW AND, OR IT'S YOUR CHOICE? I MEAN, UM, EITHER WAY YOU, YOU CAN APPEAL. I MEAN, UM, I MEAN IF, IF THE, UM, IF IT DOES GET DENIED, THEN YOU CAN APPEAL. IF YOU WITHDRAW THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, TO COME BACK AGAIN. SO, I MEAN, EITHER WAY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE IT OUT. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. SO WE CAN TAKE THE VOTE OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN PULL, UM, I GUESS IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF I, I GUESS WE CAN, I CAN WITHDRAW AND THEN I CAN GO TO STAFF AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT, MAYBE GO THROUGH A DRC TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD CONSIDER IT A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. UM, SO, OKAY, SO IF YOU ARE WANTING TO GO TO DRC, SO THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ALLOW THE VOTE TO HAPPEN. OKAY. THEN, UM, IF, IF IT FAILS, THEN I MEAN IF IT PASSES IT THAT WE DENY, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO A DRC AND GO FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SUGGESTION. BUT AGAIN, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE WANT BUILD A CARD REPORT IN FRONT OF THESE, IN FRONT OF THIS, UH, PORTER. UH, IT, IT, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE PROPOSE THAT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND MEETS ALL THE GUIDELINES MINUS THE SETBACKS. OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING A AS SIMPLE AS PURCHASE FROM COSTCO. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH DRC, I MEAN I, I THREW A DRC TO FIGURE OUT WITH STAFF WHAT IT WILL DESIGNATE THIS AS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. SO I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE MOTION. OKAY. I WILL BE DENIED AND THEN GO THROUGH A DRC IF WE CAN. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CASTILLO. AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 11. HI, SORRY, MY NAME IS KATHY DUBLER. OH, RECORD, RECORD. OH YES, YOU'RE FINE. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. LEMME, MAY I RECORD SO I CAN REMEMBER EVERYTHING? ? IT'S OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. LEMME READ FIRST. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 HCRC CASE 2024 DASH 3 21. ADDRESS, 3 29 WEST LITTLEWOOD AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE EXISTING PORCH WITH DECORATIVE ROCK IRON PANELS AND A DOOR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ENCLOSED THE ENCLOSURE OF THE PORCH BASED ON FINDING B AND THE PROPERTY OF OWNER KATHY DOBERSON IS HERE IN PERSON. HI, UM, AS SHE SAID, MY NAME IS KATHY DOER AND I'VE OWNED 3 29 WESTLAW WOODS SINCE I BELIEVE 2022. UM, I MOVED AWAY FOR A FEW YEARS AND IN THOSE FEW YEARS THE AMOUNT OF CRIME AND TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY. AND I AM ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE DEAD END ON LAW WOOD ADJACENT TO THE TACO, ORIGINAL TACO CABANA AT SAN PEDRO. AND, UM, HILDEBRAND. SO MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO HILDEBRAND, WHICH IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE DISH. UM, IT HAS BECOME A FREEWAY AND SAN PEDRO HAS BECOME A SPEEDWAY. AND SO, UM, WHAT I AM REALLY LOOKING FOR IS FOR SAFETY FOR MYSELF BECAUSE I'M A SINGLE FEMALE AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, I NEVER FELT UNSAFE. AND IT HAS A GLASS FRONT DOOR THAT WAS WITH THE HOUSE WHEN I BOUGHT IT. AND, UM, [01:30:01] THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE OF ME BEING FEARFUL. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE CAUGHT, UM, A BURGLAR NEXT DOOR. I HAVE PHOTOS OF HIM TRYING TO GET AWAY AND I CALLED THE POLICE. THEY DIDN'T GET THERE IN TIME AND HE WAS BEGGING ME NOT TO. HE HAD STOLEN FRENCH DOORS FROM THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR UNDER RENOVATION. AND I AM THE TYPE OF NEIGHBOR WHO DOES NOT SIT BACK AND WATCH THINGS HAPPEN TO OTHER NEIGHBORS. I AM NOT FEARFUL OF TAKING A STAND AND I HAVE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES. AND, UM, I CAUGHT THE GUY, I SAID, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HE HAD THE, THE FRENCH DOORS ON A WALMART CART AND HE SAID, OH, I BOUGHT THESE OFF SOME GUYS WORKING HERE. I SAID, NO, YOU DIDN'T. I SAID, I KNOW THE OWNER, THEY'RE NOT SELLING ANY OF THESE STORES AND YOU NEED TO PUT THEM BACK. AND I CALLED. I HAD TO RUN BACK INTO THE BACK OF MY HOUSE AND GRAB MY PHONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE IT OUT WITH ME. I WAS JUST WATERING. AND BY THE TIME I GOT BACK THERE TO THE FRONT, I HAD THE OWNER ON SPEAKER PHONE AND UM, THE BURGLAR HAD ALREADY PUT THE DOORS, WHICH WERE VERY HEAVY OVER THE FENCE INTO THE TACO CABANA PARKING LOT. AND, UM, I HAVE A PHOTO I COULDN'T FIND IT, OF HIM JUMPING THE FENCE. AND WITH THE OWNER ON THE PHONE, HE TOLD ME, CALL THE POLICE. I'LL CALL THE GUY WHO LEFT 30, 40 MINUTES AGO, WHO LEFT EIGHT GIANT GENERATOR ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH A GIANT CHAIN, BUT THAT MEANS IT WILL STILL BE GONE BY MORNING. AND UM, THE GUY'S BEGGING ME TO NOT CALL ME, TO NOT CALL THE POLICE. AND SO I KNEW HE WAS A THIEF. AND UM, HE WAS THE QUINTESSENTIAL LIKE IDEA OF A THIEF, BLACK HOOD, BLACK GLOVES, BLACK CLOTHES, BLACK SHOES. AND HE WOULDN'T GIMME HIS NAME OTHER THAN I BELIEVE RICHARD OF RICHARD'S DOORS. AND THAT HIS TRUCK HAD BEEN STOLEN. WELL, IT WAS JUST ALL, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT AND I WASN'T SCARED OF HIM . AND SO, UM, WHEN HE KNEW I WAS CALLING THE POLICE, HE WAS LIKE, WELL, WILL YOU GIMME $10 FOR THEM? AND I SAID, NO, YOU NEED TO PUT THEM BACK. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN I RAN TO THE BACK TO GET MY PHONE. AND WHEN I GOT BACK, HE HAD ALREADY PUT THEM OVER, WAS CRAWLING OVER THE FENCE. I'VE GOT PHOTOS OF IT, I SHOWED IT TO THE POLICE OFFICER THAT ARRIVED WAY TOO LATE. AND, UM, THE GUY STARTED PUTTING THE DOORS BACK OVER THE FENCE AND HE ASKED ME TO HELP HIM. AND I SAID, YOU GOT THEM OVER THERE, YOU GET THEM BACK. WELL, BY THAT POINT THEY WERE HALF ONE WAS HALFWAY OVER AND I KNEW IF HE DROPPED IT, IT WOULD DESTROY THEM. SO I GRABBED THIS VERY HEAVY DOOR AND THEN THE SECOND DOOR, AND I COULD SEE THROUGH THE LITTLE SLATS OF THE FENCE, HE WAS ON A WHITE BICYCLE AND TOOK OFF. SO IT WAS OBVIOUSLY AS MY CRIMINAL DEFENSE BROTHER IN HOUSTON WOULD SAY, IT'S JUST THEIR NEXT FIX. AND SO HE TOOK OFF. BY THE TIME THE POLICEMAN ARRIVED, HE BARELY EVEN LOOKED AT THE PICTURE AND SCRIBBLED A LITTLE BIT AND WENT ON HIS WAY. UM, THAT IS ONE, UM, EXAMPLE. I'VE HAD ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A RECENT PAROLEE WHO CLAIMED TO BE DRUGGED. AND HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OUT THAT DAY AND HE WAS PASSED OUT IN JOSH GONZALEZ'S, HENRY BEAT'S GRANDSONS FRONT YARD, WHO'S A FEDERAL PAROLE OFFICER. I CALLED JOSH, AND OF COURSE IT DIDN'T DAWN ON ME, HIM BEING FEDERAL, THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO. HE SAID, CALL THE POLICE. SO I DID. AND IT TOOK THEM A WHILE TO GET THERE AND THE GUY WOKE UP AND CAME AND SAT IN MY DRIVEWAY AND WANTED ME TO CALL HIS MOTHER. AND SO, UM, I HAVE CAUGHT ONE HIT AND RUN. IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A DRUNK BECAUSE WE'RE AT A DEAD END, NOBODY NOTICES IT. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BRENDA GONZALEZ, JOSH'S MOTHER WHOSE PARENTS OWNED THE HOUSE, CATTY-CORNERED THAT THE CITY HAD, UM, PROMISED TO BUILD A PERMANENT WALL ACROSS THERE. AND I HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THE NOISE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN [01:35:01] IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO RENT OUT MY GUEST HOUSE, WHICH I NEED FOR INCOME. AND IT'S SIX FEET AWAY FROM HILDEBRAND, INCLUDING ALL THE HOT RODS THAT ARE OUT TO MAKE TROUBLE WITH, UM, LOUD MUFFLERS. UM, I'VE HAD TWO EXAMPLES OF WHEN I WAS THERE OF AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN FIRE. THE ONE I DID SEE WAS ACCOMPANIED BY FANCY LA LASER SYSTEMS, UM, BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO JUMP UP ON MY DECK BENCH. AND JUST TWO WEEKS AGO THERE WAS A LOUD SPEAKER, I GUESS IT WAS A RELIGIOUS GROUP DOING RAP RECRUITING FOR A CHURCH ON BLANCO, RIGHT BY THE JIM'S SIGN, WHICH JIM'S IS CLOSED. AND, UM, I CALLED THE POLICE THINKING, HOW CAN THIS BE? BECAUSE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED BEHIND MY HOUSE DUE TO THIS MALEVOLENT COUPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BLOCKING MY DRIVEWAY AND I WAS HAVING TO CALL, UM, THE POLICE TO GET THEM TO MOVE, AND I DID EXACTLY WHAT THE POLICE TOLD ME TO DO, BUT THE REAL HARASSMENT STARTED THEN NAME CALLING. THEY SLICED ALL OF MY CHRISTMAS LIGHTS THAT WAS ABOUT $500 WORTH AROUND MY FRONT TREE. THEY, UM, SHE ALLOWED HER GERMAN SHEPHERD TO ATTACK MY SHIHTZU PUPPY TWICE. AND HAD I NOT BEEN THERE ONE TIME, HE PROBABLY WOULD'VE KILLED HIM. AND SO I FEEL LIKE I NEED MY FRONT PORCH WITH SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE ENCLOSURE THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES IN MONTE VISTA THAT THEY'VE DONE JUST THAT. AND THE BEAUTIFUL ONE THAT I WANTED. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, SERATO IRONWORKS AND UM, I CAN NO LONGER AFFORD, BUT, UM, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING MORE SIMPLIFIED AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT MY FRONT PORCH FROM BOTH THE FRONT, UM, FACADE AND THE SIDE FACADE BECAUSE I NEED, I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVEWAY GATE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND I'VE WORKED WITH MY NEIGHBOR ON IT AND SHE'S ALL FOR IT. AND, UM, TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM ENTERING MY PROPERTY NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO UNLESS I CAME BACK ANOTHER TIME TO DISCOURAGE TRESPASSING IN THE FRONT. BUT BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF DOG FE SEEDS FROM A RENTER NEXT DOOR WHO ACTUALLY ASSAULTED ME IN MY DRIVEWAY AND TWO WEEKS LATER THREATEN ME, UM, THE LANDLORD WILL NOT KICK HIM OUT. HIS MOTHER LIVES DOWN THE STREET. SO IT HAS BEEN HONESTLY SIX YEARS OF HELL FOR ME SINCE I'VE MOVED BACK. AND, UM, HE HAS TRESPASSED ON MY PROPERTY. WE HAVE MADE NICE, HE'S NEVER APOLOGIZED, HIS MOTHER DID, BUT FRANKLY, I'M AFRAID OF HIM. AND, UM, I PLAY NICE, I PLAY FRIENDLY. UM, BUT THIS GUY SHOT OFF A 45 IN THE BACKYARD A FEW MONTHS AGO AND, UM, I HAPPENED TO TEXT HIM BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE LANDLORD GOES OUTTA TOWN, HE GETS DRUNK AND DOES ALL THESE CRAZY THINGS. HE'S GOT A PLETHORA OF AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS, ALL THIS STUFF. AND JOSH HAS TOLD ME THAT ONE DAY HE RAN OUT BECAUSE SOME GUY JUMPED THE FENCE AT HIS MOTHER'S DOWN THE STREET, RAN ACROSS HER SIDE DECK, JUMPED THE FRONT FENCE, RAN DOWN OUR STREET, GOT A WATER HOSE FROM ACROSS THE STREET AND DRUG IT INTO JOSH'S YARD TO GET A DRINK. SO, UM, I'VE CAUGHT ANOTHER GUY ON A BICYCLE ABOUT THREE 30 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE I HAD TO GO TO AN ALL NIGHT WALGREENS. AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS REALLY THERE TO CAUSE TROUBLE BECAUSE I THINK HE WAS JUST COMING FROM A GAY BAR, HONESTLY, BY THE WAY HE WAS DRESSED. AND IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR THAT IT'S A DEAD END. SO, UM, FOR NOW, MY REQUEST IS TO BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE [01:40:01] MY FRONT PORCH FOR MY OWN SAFETY AND SECURITY. AND, UM, THE GATE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. UM, MR. S'S STEPSON IS HERE WITH ME, BUT WITHOUT HAVING THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSED. AND I'M OPEN TO DIFFERENT DESIGNS THAT AREN'T HEAVY, BUT, UM, AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY EXAMPLES JUST WITHIN THREE BLOCKS OF ME AND I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T SUBMIT ALL OF THAT IN TIME. I HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED A MORE ELABORATE DESIGN THAT MR. VARTA AND I HAD DISCUSSED BECAUSE AS HE SAID, MY HOUSE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE ON THE STREET, WHICH I HAVE TO AGREE. AND, UM, HE FEELS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I NEED THE BEST OPTION TO ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE, BUT YET MEET THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES AND, BUT MY SAFETY IS AT RISK BECAUSE WITH MY FRONT DOOR, MA'AM, MA'AM, UM, YOU'VE, UM, YOU'VE PRESENTED YOUR CASE. UM, SO, UM, WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW IS I, YOU SAID YOU HAVE PICTURES, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE 'EM. CAN YOU WELL, THE PHOTOS, UM, OF MY HOUSE ARE THERE NO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE, YOU SAID OF THE OTHER HOMES THAT OH, I DON'T HAVE THEM PRINTED. I HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE. OKAY, SO MR. CHO WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION. I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU. NO, I MEAN WE NEED 'EM, WE, YOUR CASE IS NOW, SO I MEAN, SO MY CASE IS, YOUR CASE IS HAPPENING NOW. SO I MEAN, IF YOU HAD 'EM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, YOU KNOW. OKAY. WELL CAN GIVE YOU MY PHONE. WE WOULD, I ACTUALLY NEED TO SEE 'EM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT COULD BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE CASE, BUT UM, WE CAN, WE CAN PROJECT. WE CAN PROJECT. YEAH. OH WE CAN, OKAY, SO ONE, SO MR, I HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST, UH, OKAY. EMAIL MY OR TEXT IT MYSELF. OKAY. THAT'S YOUR CALL LOG. SO YOU WANNA LOG OUT OF THAT ONE? YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. I, OH NO, DON'T SAY THAT. . THERE YOU GO. THAT ONE THERE'S, UM, WELL HERE VANDALISM, THAT'S, HERE'S MY ENTRANCE. HERE'S WHAT I FIRST PROPOSED. THIS IS ONE THAT HAS TOTALLY ENCLOSED THEIR FRONT. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S MORE, THERE'S SEVERAL MORE. UM, THERE'S ONE THAT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL. THIS ONE IS A COURTYARD THAT THEY'VE TOTALLY ENCLOSED. IT'S NOT THAT EASILY SEEN. I THINK THAT OTHER ONE THAT YOU HAD WAS A REALLY GOOD VISUAL. SO LET, LET'S JUST JUST FIND TWO OR THREE EASY TO ACCESS PICTURES THAT'LL PUT THOSE UP. I'M SORRY. UM, I WANT THAT ONE. THAT ONE? YEAH, LET'S SHOW THAT ONE. THERE'S ANOTHER MUCH PRETTIER ONE THAT I WOULD BE, I WOULDN'T DO THIS ONE. THIS ONE IS VERY WELL MA'AM, WHAT I'M DOING, I'M, I'M, I'M GIVING YOU A LITTLE LEEWAY HERE. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE. SO, UM, THEY'RE SAYING THAT OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO IS THIS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? THERE'S SEVERAL AND THIS IS MY LEAST FAVORITE BECAUSE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY JUST, WHY DON'T WE DO THE QUESTIONS AND, AND THEN THE MOTION WE CAN KEEP MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO WILLING AND I'M WILLING TO DO ANYTHING ON THE DESIGN TO MAKE IT WORK. SO COME COMMISSIONER SABINO, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE FOR STAFF. UM, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE ON THE PORCH THAT A PREVIOUS ENCLOSURE WAS PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS HOUSE? I HAVE A, I CAN SEE, I'M SORRY, IT'S FOR STAFF MA'AM. STAFF, SORRY. UM, FOR THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE WAS ANY INSTALLATION OF ANY TYPE OF RAILING OR ENCLOSURE. THERE IS A CUTOFF POST THERE. SO, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT IS, AND IT'S KIND OF ODD, BUT WHEN YOU RECOLLECTED THE STORY OF THE GUY STEALING THE DOORS OF WHAT, WHEN YOU RECOLLECTED THE STORY OF THE GUY STEALING THE DOORS, THE THIEF AND HE, YOU SAID HE PUT SOMETHING OVER THE FENCE, WHICH FENCE WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND HOW TALL WAS THAT FENCE? IT'S THE ONE THAT IS AT THE DEAD END UHHUH OF LOW WOOD AND I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT FEET. I DON'T KNOW MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BRENDA GONZALEZ WHOSE PARENTS OWNED THAT HOUSE MM-HMM, AND BUILT IT, UM, WAS THEY WERE TOLD THAT WHEN THAT TEMPORARY FENCE WENT IN, IT WAS GOING TO BE I GUESS A [01:45:01] MASONRY MORE, UM, PERMANENT FENCE. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS, IS WAS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY AT ANY POINT THAT THEY WOULD COME IN AND BUILD A TALLER WALL TALLER FENCE? I PERSONALLY DIDN'T BUY THE HOUSE UNTIL 2002. I SAW BRENDA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SHE SAID THEY WERE PROMISED THAT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I KNOW. I'M SURE IF YOU CONTACTED HER SHE WOULD, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE KIND OF THING THE CITY SHOULD PROVIDE WHEN THEY'RE TERMINATING A STREET, A SAFETY FOR SAFETY FOR ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST YOU FOR ALL. YEAH. I MEAN, BUT THERE'S A MUCH, MUCH, MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN JUST THIS RIGHT NOW I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY PERSONAL SAFETY AND MY DOGS. SURE. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. BUT I DO NEED TO EXPAND ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE WALL BECAUSE MY BACKYARD IS UNUSABLE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF HOT RODS HARLEY'S, SO, AND DIESEL POLLUTION. SO MA'AM, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU FOR A MOMENT. SO HER, HER QUESTION WAS SPECIFIC TO THAT PARTICULAR THING. SO, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO OTHER AREAS, SO WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE, UM, POINTS THAT WE WANNA BRING UP. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, I UM, THANK YOU FOR VERY EXPANSIVE, UM, PRESENTATION. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH, UM, TWO STIPULATIONS. ONE IS THAT, UM, THE DESIGN SPECIFICALLY ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOME, BE TRANSPARENT LOOKING MAYBE LESS ORNAMENTAL. MM-HMM AND SECOND STIPULATION THAT IT BE INSTALLED AS FAR BACK, UM, ON THE COLUMN LIKE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AN INSET TOWARDS THE, UH, FRONT DOOR OR THE WINDOWS AND YOUR FRONT DOOR. AND THEN I'LL JUSTIFY IF THERE'S A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, GO AHEAD. MAY I JUST, SO LET ME JUST REALLY JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS IF THE STAFF CAN JUST GO TO THE ONE WITH THE FRONT. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD APPROVED. I THINK THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS STATED A A CASE OF, YOU KNOW, INSECURE WE HAVE VERY MUCH BEFORE ALSO APPROVED FENCES WHEN NOT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, SECURITY ISSUES. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE SLIDE FIVE OR THE FRONT, I WOULD, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING THERE IS JUST AT LEAST BRING IT, I KNOW YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE EXISTING DOWN, DOWN THE HALLWAY, BUT I THINK TO MAKE IT AS MUCH TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE MM-HMM, . SO YET THE FRONT, AGAIN GOING A LITTLE BIT WITH TRYING TO MINIMIZE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, THE REDUCTION OF LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC SITES. AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE YOU HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT FEET AND A HALF OR TWO FEET OF, IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO FEET AND I DID, I MEAN MAYBE IT'S ONE FOOT. I I WILL, I AGREE THE STIPULA RELATION WITH YOU BEING ABLE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT FINAL TO STAFF AND THEN THAT STAFF DECIDE WHAT IS ENOUGH. I AGREE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY SAFE. AND, AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, REVERSIBLE. UM, SO I MEAN BASED ON YOUR SAFETY ISSUE AND, AND ALSO THE REVERSIBILITY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM, MEANING I BRING APPROVAL, I BRING UP ONE, UH, I'M A DESIGNER, I'VE DONE INTERIOR ARCHITECTURE AND SOME RESIDENTIAL. SO, AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO, UM, PLACEMENT OF THINGS AND ORGANIZATION OF UM, ANY KIND OF BUILD OUT. AND THAT WAS MY FIRST INCLINATION WHEN I SPOKE WITH MR. SERATO. BUT HE SAID IT WOULD BE BETTER AT THE FACE OF THE COLUMN BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE GONNA BE DRILLING INTO THE EXISTING TILE WORK THAT'S THERE, WHICH IS ORIGINAL. AND THERE IS ALSO AT SOME POINT, AND AT MY NEIGHBORS THERE WAS SOME SORT OF RAILING BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY CUT IT OFF AT THE GROUND, UM, AND IT WAS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE TILE. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND THAT WHATEVER'S POSSIBLE OF COURSE. AND I THINK STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. SO, OKAY. I AGREE. I AGREE. I JUST KNOW THE DETAILS AND I DON'T WANT TO DESTROY ANY EXISTING HISTORICAL PIECES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. AND IF YOU START DRILLING INTO THEM AND, AND SO DO WE, AND I MEAN, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER GROUP SAID, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION IS THERE BECAUSE [01:50:01] WE'RE, SHE, WE'RE, WE'RE AGREEING WITH YOUR SECURITY AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING NORMALLY WE WOULD DO. SO, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK, IF THIS MOTION PASSES THEN WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE OF THE BEST PLACEMENTS. SO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. SAV? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND INPUT. THANK YOU MA'AM. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. I'M VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THANK YOU. I LOVE IT. EXCEPT I DON'T LOVE HILDEBRAND ANYMORE. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THE HIL HILDEBRAND FREEWAY AND THE SAN PEDRO . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.