* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I BELIEVE WE, WE HAVE IT, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, DO ROLL CALL. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. CRYSTAL WILL DO. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, UH, BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE. I'M CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR HERE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO FIRST WE'LL GET OUR SPANISH INTERPRETERS. OKAY. [ Roll Call  ] FIRST ITEM IS ROLL CALL. MICHAEL RU. HERE. MARK ROSS. LOUIS OLIS. HERE. ADRIAN CONTRERAS. MAX HOSFORD. ROBERT HANLEY. BRIAN SMITH. HERE. KAREN CARPENTER. WILLIAM BURRIS. HERE. JACK UP MORE. JOE LAOS. HERE. SALVADOR GARCIA. HERE. CORY PALMER. HERE. UH, CHAIR. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. UH, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD ROLL CALL IN QUORUM, UH, I'D LIKE A, UM, MOTION TO, UM, UH, BEGIN THE, UH, SESSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MIKE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION CARRIES. MEETING STARTS NOW AT 9 0 4. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, FIRST WE WILL HEAR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. [ Approval of Minutes  ] UM, FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS TO VOTE AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 27TH SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES IN SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2024? THIS IS BRIAN SMITH SPEAKING. I MAKE A MOTION. WILLIAM BURRIS. WILLIAM BURS. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? MICRO SECOND. DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. DO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE. ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SECOND [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] ITEM IS TO VOTE TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY SUBCOMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS TO THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE REQUEST TO JOIN. UM, AND, UH, IS THERE ANY, ANYBODY THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE? HEARING NONE? NO. OKAY. MOVE FORWARD. ALRIGHT. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO DISCUSS THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO THE CURRENT AMENDMENTS FOUND IN CHAPTER 11, SECTION 10 DASH 40 AMENDMENTS TO THE ADOPTED CHAPTERS AND DEPENDENCIES OF THE FIRE CODE. AND WE ARE READY TO GET STARTED. ALL RIGHT. I DO BELIEVE WE LEFT OFF AT, UM, NUMBER NINE, UH, LAST WEEK AND WE MADE A MOTION AND PASSED, UM, THROUGH NINE, CORRECT THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD AS LAST WEEK. SO IF WE COULD START OFF WITH LINE NUMBER 10, UH, CHIEF, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, UH, GOOD MOR GOOD IN ROBERT WESTBROOK? UM, INTERIM ASSISTANT FIRE, INTERIM ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE IN TRANSITION. YES. SO WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 10. UH, SUMMARY 6 0 6 0.2. THE 6 0 6 0.2 BASICALLY, ALTHOUGH 6 0 6 0.2 ADDRESSES THE REQUIREMENT FOR TYPE ONE HOODS TO BE INSTALLED OVER COMMERCIAL COOKING APPLIANCES AND DOMESTIC COOKING APPLIANCES USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IF THEY PRODUCE GREASE VAPORS. BUT I THINK THIS ONE, WHAT WE'RE MAINLY LOOKING FOR HERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR, UH, FIRE STATIONS. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS ONE IS ABOUT. WE'RE BASICALLY CODIFYING, UH, CODE INTERPRETATION. LET ME SEE. NUMBER 10, CODE INTERPRETATION, 2015 DASH 0 0 0 5. THAT'S, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXCEPTION. UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH FOR, FOR FIRE STATIONS. MIKE, I A FIRE STATION SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY SAFE PLACE TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION. YES, SIR. WELL, THEY'RE STILL GONNA, WHAT, WHAT, UH, IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE, WELL, THE COOKIE SITUATION THERE? WELL, THEY'RE STILL GONNA PROVIDE, THEY'RE [00:05:01] STILL GONNA MEET THE SPECIFIC UL STANDARDS UPDATES, ALL THE FIRE SAFETY. IT'S JUST THAT SOME OF THE, UM, MANDATORY, UM, THE EXTINGUISHMENT SYSTEM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SORT OF EXCLUDE THE EXTINGUISHMENT SYSTEM, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY SAFE. AND IT'S NOT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. WE USE COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. IT'S JUST FOR EATING, JUST FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT MY, MY COLLEAGUE, I WON'T NAME 'EM, SAYS IT'S BECAUSE THE FIRE STATIONS HAVE REAL GOOD COOKS. OH, WE DO, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE GOOD, SOME GOOD COOKS QUALITY STUFF, BUT WE'RE NOT COMMERCIAL. THAT'S BASICALLY ABOUT IT. THANKS SIR. SO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE'VE HAD THIS CODE INTERPRETATION SINCE THE 2009 IFC. SO THIS IS A, JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BRING THIS OFFICIALLY INTO THE CODE RATHER THAN HAVE THIS DOCUMENT CIRCULATING THAT, UM, IS REALLY FROM, UH, AN OUTDATED CODE. AND THIS IS VERY TYPICAL WITH A CODE INTERPRETATION THAT SOME, SOMETIME, SOMETIME ALONG THE WAY WHEN WE ADOPT THE CODE, WE SEE THAT, WELL, THIS REALLY DOESN'T FIT WHAT WE DO HERE IN SAN ANTONIO OR HOW WE WANT TO INTERPRET THIS SECTION OF THE CODE. SO WE DRAFT THIS, UH, CODE INTERPRETATION, AND THEN NEXT, UH, CODE CYCLE DURING THIS PROCESS IS WHEN WE BRING IT INTO OUR AMENDMENTS. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, CHIEF, I I, I RECALL THIS COMING IN AND, AND WE USED TO DO INTERPRETATIONS AND EVERYTHING ON THIS AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT I PURPOSELY AGREE WITH IT. BUT, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UM, UH, WHILE COOKING, UH, YOU COULD GET AN EMERGENCY CALL, ARE THERE PROCEDURES IN PLACE AT THE STATIONS WHERE THEY MAKE SURE ALL THE BURNERS ARE OFF AND, YOU KNOW, CUT EVERYTHING OFF BEFORE THEY DEPART QUICK? YES, SIR. SO WHAT WE USUALLY DO IN FIRE STATIONS IS ONE INDIVIDUAL IS IN CHARGE OF COOKING EVERY SHIFT. AND SO EVEN IF WE GET A RUN, UNLESS IT'S LIKE A MAJOR FIRE, THAT INDIVIDUAL STAYS BACK ON ANY RUNS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COOKING, UH, IF IT'S A MAJOR FIRE, THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR CUTTING OFF ALL THE BURNERS. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT, UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN ACCIDENTS OR BEANS SOMETIMES LIKE BEANS, BEANS HAVE TO COOK A LONG TIME. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'RE BOILING ALL DAY AND SOMEBODY WILL FORGET. BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE. UM, BUT YES, SIR, ONE PERSON IS IN CHARGE. THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR COOKING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE FIRE SAFETY. YES. ALRIGHT, NEXT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. CAN TAKE IT PLEASE. YOU WANT YOU PICTURE, YOU, UH, NINE OH SECTION 9 0 3 2 2 2 MANDATES THE INSTALLATION OF AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE FIRE, FIRE AREAS AND LABORATORIES INVOLVED IN A RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT OR TESTING OF LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. GIVEN THE FIRE HAZARDS POSED BY THESE BATTERIES, THIS SECTION ENSURES THAT ANY LABORATORY ENGAGED IN THESE ACTIVITIES HAS APPROPRIATE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS IN PLACE. THE UPDATE REFLECTS GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT FIRE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH MODERN BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES AND AIMS TO PREVENT THERMAL RUNAWAY INCIDENTS AND MITIGATE FIRE DAMAGE IN HIGH RISK AREAS. I WILL NOTE THAT FROM NINE OH FROM 11 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LIKE 16, WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH ESSENTIALLY LITHIUM ION BATTERY SAFETY. AND THIS IS JUST SORT OF THE, THE BEGINNING, UM, INCREASED USE OF LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM ION METAL BATTERIES AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT NECESSITATES UPDATES TO FIRE SAFETY CODES REQUIRING AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND LABORATORIES ALIGNS WITH NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS FOR FACILITIES THAT HANDLE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SUCH AS NFPA CODES FOR BATTERY STORAGE AND FIRE SUPPRESSION. THIS UPDATE IS CONSISTENT WITH NFPA 8 55, WHICH COVERS THE INSULATION OF ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, INCLUDING LITHIUM ION BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES. BY ALIGNING WITH NFPA STANDARDS LABORATORIES CAN ENSURE COMPLIANCE AND MITIGATE, UH, RISK MORE EFFECTIVELY ECONOMIC EFFICIENCY FOR BUILDERS AND OWNERS. UM, LET'S JUST SAY A LABORATORY INSTALLS AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM, WHICH NOT ONLY MEETS CODE, BUT ALSO REDUCES ITS FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUMS DUE TO LOWER FIRE RISK RESULTING IN LONG-TERM COST SAVINGS. UM, THAT JUST SORT OF SOME NOTES I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN UNLESS I I CAN ADD ANYTHING MORE. SO, BRIAN, CAN I, THIS, THIS IS MIKE RUS. SO THE REASON WE TABLED THIS FROM THE IBC AND I WISH KAREN WAS HERE TODAY 'CAUSE SHE, UH, BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A TESTING FACILITY THAT BASICALLY, UM, HER POINT WAS, AND I I PROBABLY WON'T DO IT JUSTICE, WAS THAT IF THEY'RE IN A TESTING SITUATION WHERE THE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE THE BATTERY CATCH ON FIRE, THAT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE TESTS THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN. UM, SO [00:10:01] I MEAN, I GUESS I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT MAY, IF IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL SHE'S HAS A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND SPEAK TO THAT MORE INTELLIGENTLY, THEN I JUST TRIED TO DO, UM, I THINK YES, SIR. I, I DON'T TO HAVE THAT EXPERTISE. YES, SIR. ON HERE. ALRIGHT, WE'LL TABLE, UH, 9 0 3 2 2 2. WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS, UH, DISCUSSING INTERNALLY THAT WE HAVE OUR, UH, ALTERNATIVE METHODS OPTION. SO IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC LIKE A SOUTHWEST RESEARCH OR A USE WHERE THE INTENT IS TO SET THE BATTERIES ON FIRE OR, OR UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT IS A POTENTIAL OF THE RESEARCH OR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON, THAT WE WOULD LOOK REALLY FOR ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. UM, AND WE WOULD DO THAT THROUGH OUR CODE MODIFICATION PROCESS. LIKE WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN PLACE TO MITIGATE THE HAZARD THAT IS CREATED BY THE FIRE. UM, SO IF WE ADOPTED THIS SECTION AS IS, UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO ALWAYS THE, UH, OPTION FOR ALTERNATIVE METHODS. UH, BRIAN SMITH, HAVE YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOUTHWEST AS FAR AS SPECIFICALLY SO FAR, AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE CO CODE MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE AS OF YET? NO. NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. SO YES, I, I WOULD AGREE WE, WE, WE CAN GO OVER THAT, BUT WE WANT TO TABLE IT UNTIL WE GET SOME INPUT. UM, SO SOME LANGUAGE AND SUCH THAT WOULD, UM, WORK WITH THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN BE HAPPY. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND GIVE 'EM A CHANCE TO MAYBE TALK TO THE STAKEHOLDER, SEEK 'EM OUT AND WILL, WILLIAM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT. I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S OTHER FACTORS. NO, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY FLUID ISSUE RIGHT NOW AND, UH, OUT THERE AND THE CODES ARE NOW ADDRESSING IT AND I KNOW KAREN'S CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM. AND, UH, I SPOKE WITH HER YESTERDAY. SHE'S AT THE SFPE CONFERENCE IN TENNESSEE, OR, UM, AND SHE'LL BE HERE AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING. SO THE THINGS RELATED TO THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, I WOULD RECOMMEND JUST DEFER AGAIN. SHE'S CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM. THANK YOU. WE'LL TABLE IT. YEAH, IF WE COULD TABLE THAT CHIEF UNTIL NEXT WEEK. YES, SIR. THAT'D BE GREAT, SIR. YEP. OKAY. SO WE'LL TABLE ITEM 11. UM, I JUST DID NOTE THAT 12, 13 AND 14 WE DID DISCUSS AND APPROVED DURING THE IBC REVIEW. CORRECT. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT. WHERE ARE WE AT? 9 0 3. 2 0 3. 2.4. SO WE'RE TALKING ITEM NUMBER 12 9 0 3 0.2 0.4. NO, WE NEED DISCUSS. NO, IT WOULD BE IN, OH, YOU READY? THREE ITEM 3, 9 0 3. 1.1 0.3. SO ITEM 15 REALLY JUST IDENTIFIES THAT THOSE, UH, ELECTRIC, UM, INTRODUCED STORAGE SYSTEMS HAVE, ARE NOT BASED ON NFP 13, BUT, UH, THE DESIGN HAS TO BE, THE DESIGN OF THE SPRINKLER IS BASED ON A LARGE SCALE TESTING. SO NFPA 13 INCLUDES A LONG LIST OF, UM, OF USES THAT AREN'T COVERED IN THAT CODE. SO THE LARGE SCALE TESTING WOULD BE, UH, THE APPROVED METHOD FOR, UM, APPROVING OR DESIGNING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. SO THIS IS A CONTACT PARK, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD IF 11 WAS APPROVED YES. OR ANY OF THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IN ANY USE, NOT JUST THE B OCCUPANCY THAT 11. UM, IT SPEAKS TO, SO THIS IS MIKE, SO I'M READING THIS TO, TO, TO MEAN THAT THE CODE WRITERS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY COULDN'T WRITE A SINGLE LINE OF CODE THAT WOULD CAPTURE ALL INSTANCES. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEST TO KIND OF IS BASED ON THE SITUATION. KIND OF LIKE THAT, KIND OF LIKE THAT. BUT THERE ARE, UM, AGAIN, NUMEROUS USES THAT AREN'T COVERED. UM, IN NFP 13, THERE'S A LONG LIST. UH, BOBBY, WHAT WERE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ON THAT LIST FROM NP 13? [00:15:04] WE CAN HOLD, YOU GOTTA HOLD IT. THERE YOU GO. JUST HOLD IT. OH, OKAY. YEAH, SOME OF THE, THE USES WERE LIKE ROLL CARPET STORAGE. UM, I THINK SOME LIKE, UH, DISTILLED SPIRITS ABOVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ARE NOT COVERED BY NFPA 13, SO SOMETIMES THE USERS HAVE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT, UM, STANDARD LIKE FM, THAT KIND OF THING. BRIAN SMITH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON NINE FIFTEENS? GARCIA? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. DOES THIS THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, DOES IT IMPOSE AN OBLIGATION ON A USER OR SAY A POTENTIAL DESIGN TO PRETEST SOMETHING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DESIGN A STRUCTURE? IS THAT WHAT THIS IS SAYING OR GO TO? UM, OUTSIDE OF AN FPA ON THE DESIGN OF THE SPRINKLER IS TO FOLLOW A DIFFERENT DESIGN LIKE THE FM GLOBAL DESIGN, WHERE THEY HAVE DONE THE TESTING ON THIS SPECIFIC USE OR, OR, UM, UTILIZING THESE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, TESTING OF THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IN THE SPRINKLER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE CAN CONTINUE. 9 0 3 3 1 2 FOCUSES ON THE INSTALLATION OF NFPA 13 R SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND GROUP RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES. NFPA 13 R SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE FOUR STORIES OR FEWER ABOVE GRADE PLAIN, AND THEY PROVIDE TARGETED FIRE PROTECTION FOR FOLK BY FOCUSING ON LIFE SAFETY RATHER THAN PROPERTY PROTECTION. THE UP UPDATE INCLUDES SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN THIS, THESE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS MUST BE INSTALLED, ENSURING THAT SMALLER RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOUSES, HAVE ADEQUATE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS IN PLACE WITHOUT REQUIRING THE MORE, THE MORE EXTENSIVE NFPA 13 STANDARD USED IN LARGER OR HIGHER RISK BUILDINGS. UM, OKAY. OKAY, PLEASE CONTINUE. 9 0 3 4 3 9 0 3 4 3 9 0 3 MANDATES THAT ALL AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS INC INCLUDE AN EXTERIOR AUDIBLE AND VISUAL WATER FLOW ALARM DEVICE. THIS DEVICE MUST BE LOCATED IN A VISIBLE AND ACCESSIBLE POSITION ON THE BUILDING'S EXTERIOR AND MUST BE CONNECTED TO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM TO ACTIVATE WHEN WATER FLOWS THROUGH THE SYSTEM. THIS SECTION AIMS TO ENSURE PROMPT NOTIFICATION OF BUILDING OCCUPANTS AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS IN THE EVENT OF A SPRINKLER ACTIVATION AND PROVIDE BOTH AN AUDIBLE ALARM AND A VISUAL INDICATOR TO QUICKLY SIGNAL AN ACTIVE FIRE OR SYSTEM MALFUNCTION. THE ADDITION OF THE EXTERIOR AUDIBLE AND VISUAL WATER FLOW ALARM DEVICE IMPROVES SAFETY BY ENSURING THAT ANY ACTIVATION OF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS IMMEDIATELY NOTICEABLE. JUSTIFICATION. LET'S SEE. ADVANCES IN FIRE DETECTION AND ALARM TECHNOLOGY ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENT NOTIFICATION. THIS IS ABOUT NOTIFICATION MAINLY LINE WITH LOCAL STANDARDS. UH, THIS UPDATE BRINGS LOCAL FIRE SAFETY PRACTICES IN LINE WITH NFPA 72. ANY QUESTIONS? MM-HMM. ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? NOPE. 9 0 4 POINT 12 9 0 4 POINT 12 INTRODUCES THE USE OF HYBRID FIRE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS, WHICH COMBINE WATER AND INERT GASES FOR ENHANCED FIRE PROTECTION. THIS SECTION REQUIRES THESE SYSTEMS TO BE DESIGNED, INSTALLED, MAINTAINED, AND INSPECTED. ACCORDING TO NFPA 7 7 0, IT INCORPORATES A NEW STANDARD NFPA 7 7 0, UH, 2021 VERSION INTO FIRE PROTECTION REGULATIONS, EXPANDING THE LIST OF APPROVED FIRE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS THAT CAN BE USED IN VARIOUS SETTINGS. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THIS IS MIKE RUST, BUT JUST UP IN THE NINE OH THREES, THERE'S A LOT OF BLUE. UM, IN THE ONLINE VERSION, IS THAT ALL JUST EDITORIAL CHANGES? STRUCTURAL CHANGES? [00:20:05] WHICH SECTION ARE YOU LOOKING AT? UM, WE LOOKED AT 9 0 3 4 3, BUT ABOVE THAT, UM, THERE'S ONE OF THOSE BLACK ARROWS THAT SOMETHING WAS REMOVED. AND THEN MONITORING ELECTRONIC SUPERVISION, THAT'S ALL BRIGHT BLUE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, UM, JUST RE RECONFIGURED FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION AND NOT ANYTHING SIGNIFICANTLY NEW. SO YES, THE MONITORING WAS PREVIOUSLY 9 0 3 4 1 AND FOUR TWO. UM, THEY COMBINED THOSE SECTIONS, I BELIEVE, AND INTO THIS MONITORING. SO ANYTIME THEY MOVE A SECTION, THEY'LL SHOW IT AS BLUE THAT IT'S NEW OR IF THEY COMBINE. BUT YES, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT, UM, CHANGES IDENTIFIED WITH THE MOVING AND COMBINE COMBINING OF THOSE SECTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. WE'LL KEEP ON GOING. 9 0 4 POINT 14.1904 14.1 OF THE FIRE CODE FIRING BUILDING CODE LINES OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION AND PLACEMENT OF MANUAL ACTIVATION DEVICES FOR KITCHEN FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS. THESE DEVICES MUST BE LOCATED NEAR THE MEANS OF EGRESS, USUALLY BETWEEN 10 AND 20 FEET FROM THE KITCHEN EXHAUST SYSTEM AND WITHIN A SPECIFIC SPECIFIED HEIGHT RANGE ABOVE THE FLOOR. THIS DEVICE MUST BE OPERABLE WITH A LIMITED FORCE IN MOTION. EXCEPTIONS INCLUDE SYSTEMS WITH AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS OR WHERE SPATIAL CONSTRAINTS ALLOW THE FIRE CODE TO ACCEPT ALTERNATIVE DEVICE. THIS BASICALLY WILL ALLOW, UM, TO ACCEPT AN ALTERNATE LOCATION FOR THE MANUAL ACTIVATION DEVICE WHEN THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT FEASIBLE. OH SEVEN TWO. HOLD ON. SO I'LL, UH, I'LL TEE UP THIS ITEM. ITEM NUMBER 20 FOR GROUP A. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THIS SECTION. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF REDUNDANCIES IN, UM, CHAPTER NINE. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL FROM THE IBC TO THE IFC. SO THESE WERE THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT OVER FROM THE ICC 300 STANDARDS IS FOR BLEACHERS, FOLDING AND TELESCOPING SEATING AND GRANT STANDS. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. NO. NEXT 9 0 7 2 2 2. THE FIRE CODE PERTAINS TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND LABORATORIES ENGAGED IN RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT OR TESTING OF LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES. THE CODE MANDATES THAT AN AIR SAMPLING OR RADIANT ENERGY SENSING DETECTION SYSTEM BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE FIRE AREAS THAT UTILIZE THESE BATTERIES DUE TO POTENTIAL FIRE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERY THERMAL RUNAWAY. THIS GOAL IS TO ENSURE EARLY DETECTION AND PREV PREVENT HAZARDOUS SITUATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN RESEARCH AND TESTING, UM, ENVIRONMENTS. IT'S SORT OF RELATED TO THE, UH, ONE WE TABLED EARLIER. YES, BRIAN SMITH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE PROBABLY WANT TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK. OKAY. I, SO THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. NINE OH, SO OVER 9 0 7. 2.4 0.1. YES. YES, SIR. THE UPDATE TO THIS SECTION 9 0 7 0.2 0.4 0.1 OF THE FIRE CODE FOCUSES ON REQUIRING THE INSTALLATION OF A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM THAT IS ACTIVATED BY AIR SAMPLING TYPE SMOKE DETECTION [00:25:01] OR RADIANT ENERGY DETECTION SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FIRE AREA WHERE LITHIUM ION OR LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES ARE MANUFACTURED. IT ALSO EXTENDS TO THE MANUFACTURER OF VEHICLES, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS OR EQUIPMENT CONTAINING THESE BATTERIES. BUT THE GOAL OF ADDRESSING THE FIRE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENTS, THE DETECTION SYSTEM ENSURES EARLY NOTIFICATION AND ENHANCES SAFETY IN MANUFACTURING ENVIRONMENTS THAT DEAL WITH LITHIUM BATTERIES. THIS UPDATES SPECIFICALLY IMPACTS MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRIAL OCCUPANCIES, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT DEAL WITH PRODUCTION AND INTEGRATION OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTION ON THIS ONE? ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY GOOD ON THIS ONE, SIR. ALRIGHT. 9 0 7 2 7 0.2 CONCERNS. FIRE ALARM, UH, SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR MANUFACTURING AND STORAGE FACILITIES INVOLVING LITHIUM ION AND LITHIUM METAL BATTERIES DUE TO THE FIRE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THERMAL RUNAWAY IN LITHIUM BATTERIES, EARLY DETECTION THROUGH SPECIALIZED SMOKE AND ENERGY SENSING DETECTION DETECTORS IS MANDATED. THIS UPDATE ENSURES THAT FACILITIES HAVE ADEQUATE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO MANAGE THESE FIRE HAZARDS, MINIMIZING THE RISK OF UNCONTAINABLE FIRES. UM, CHAPTER 11 PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY IN RETROFITTING EXISTING BUILDINGS WHILE SECTION 9 0 7 0.2 0.7 0.2 FOCUSES ON NEW INSTALLATIONS, WHICH MIGHT INCREASE, MAY INCREASE, UH, THE COST FOR COMPLIANCE AND ORDER STRUCTURES. AND M IS LIKE A, LIKE A RETAIL, LIKE GUESS RETAIL STORE, RIGHT? TILE? YEAH. MM-HMM. , UH, THAT IS A STORAGE USE. YES. LIKE A WAREHOUSE. SO SHE MAY BRIAN SMITH. SO SHE MAY, UH, SINCE THEY ARE STORING AND TESTING, WE PROBABLY WANT TO TABLE THE STORAGE, BUT THE STOREFRONTS, THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE UNDER THAT. SO, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION ON THE RETAIL STOREFRONT? OKAY. SO IF WE CAN TABLE THE S TO NEXT WEEK, THAT WOULD BE ITEM 23. YES. ITEM, OH, I'M SORRY. ITEM 24. 24, 23. WE'D BE GOOD WITH AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AT 25 9 0 7 2 11 2 9 0 7 2 11 3 OUTLINES UPDATED REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SMOKE ALARMS. NEAR COOKING IS MANDATING THAT THEY BE INSTALLED AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM ANY PERMANENTLY INSTALLED COOKING APPLIANCE. HOWEVER, AN EXCEPTION ALLOWS SMOKE ALARMS TO BE PLACED AS CLOSE AS SIX FEET IF NECESSARY, TO COMPLY WITH OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE. THESE UPDATES ARE DESIGNED TO REDUCE FALSE ALARMS CAUSED BY COMMON COOKING ACTIVITIES AND ALIGN WITH THE LATEST NFPA 72 AND UL TWO 17 STANDARDS. THE UPDATES AIM TO IMPROVE SMOKE ALARM PERFORMANCE, REDUCE NUISANCE ALARMS, AND ENSURE CONSISTENT COMPLIANCE ACROSS CODES. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. 9 0 7 5 2 1 3 FOCUSES ON UPDATING FIRE ALARMS SIGNAL REQUIREMENTS IN GROUP R ONE HOTELS ARE TWO APARTMENTS AND I ONE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES TO REQUIRE THE USE OF FIVE 20, THE LOW FREQUENCY AUDIBLE ALARM SIGNAL IN SLEEPING ROOMS. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT THIS LOW FREQUENCY SIGNAL IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EFFECTIVE IN WAKING HIGH RISK POPULATIONS SUCH AS THE ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH HEARING IMPAIRMENTS, CHILDREN AND INDIVIDUALS IMPAIRED BY ALCOHOL COMPARED TO THE STANDARD THREE, UH, THE THREE KILOHERTZ ALARM. THE UPDATE IS, I INTENDED TO IMPROVE LIFE SAFETY, PARTICULARLY, AND I CAN SEIZE WHERE RESIDENTS ARE NOT SUPERVISED BY TRAINED STAFF AND MUST SELF EVACUATE AN EVENT OF A FIRE. BRIAN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? RIGHT, SO I JUST, I FEEL OBLIGATED. OH, THIS IS, THIS IS MIKE RU I FEEL OBLIGATED TO SAY THIS AND I, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE MUCH OF AN OPINION ON IT, BUT, UM, SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, UM, FOR A, A SERIES OF MEETINGS LAST YEAR OR EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN OR A GROUP THAT WOULD COME AFTER EVERY AND DURING THE PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION, [00:30:01] UM, ADVOCATE FOR, UH, SMOKE ALARMS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, VISUAL FOR THE, FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED. UM, DID, AND IT'S NOT IN HERE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT TO BE IN HERE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE DUE CONSIDERATION TO THOSE COMMENTS. IT WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OR, UM, ANALYSIS OF THAT, UM, OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS? NO. THAT, UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS INTERNAL GROUP REVIEWING THE IFC AND I, I DIDN'T SAY THAT TO CALL ANYBODY OUT. I JUST, I I DO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE SIT ON THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES FORWARD AND I JUST, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO, TO BRING IT UP TO EVERYBODY. SO MAYBE WE DO CONSIDER IT AND MAYBE, UM, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING TO TABLE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE CODE BOOK, BUT MAYBE, UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IT, THE GROUP TAKES A LOOK AT AND CHATS ABOUT AND, AND DECIDES IF THERE'S SOME, UH, BRIAN SMITH. BUT THEY DID ADD IN HERE, BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, WHERE IT'S AUDIBLE AND, UH, VISUAL AS FAR AS THE ALARM, IT WAS UP, UH, EARLIER, UM, ON NUMBER 17. SO THEY ADDED ACTUALLY OUTSIDE AND IT WAS ALREADY INSIDE WHERE IT HAS BOTH AUDIBLE AND VISUAL. I DID NOTICE THAT. CAN WE GO TO 9 0 3 0.4 0.3 REAL QUICK PLEASE. SO I THINK WHAT RUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, WE HAD, UH, OUR LAST CODE CYCLE, WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC COME IN, UM, THAT, UH, WAS SPECIFICALLY ADVOCATING THE VISUAL, UM, AS FAR AS PART OF SOME OF THE CODE, UM, MODIFICATIONS OR, OR ADD-ONS THAT ON SOME OF THESE WOULD BE DONE. BUT FROM WHAT I READ BEFORE HERE, IT HAS BOTH THE AUDIO AND VISUAL INCLUDED. WELL, THAT, THAT WAS FOR, THIS IS MICRO, THAT WAS FOR NINE. OH, ITEM 17 WAS ABOUT, UM, WHEN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM GOES OFF INSTALLING AN ALARM SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS GOING OFF. I THINK WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS, UM, FIRE, JUST A REGULAR FIRE SMOKE ALARM ALARM. YEAH. UM, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FEASIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DO IT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ADVOCATING POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. UNDERSTOOD. YES. UH, WE WILL TAKE THAT, UM, INTO ADVISEMENT AS WE'RE, AS WE CONTINUE LOOKING THROUGH THE CODE TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD THAT IN. AND I THINK WHAT HE WAS, HE WAS ADVOCATING WAS THEY HAVE CERTAIN SMOKE ALARMS THAT ACTUALLY WILL GIVE A VISUAL SIGNAL, UM, AND CODE DOESN'T, UM, ENTAIL OR DO THAT. AND HE SAYS IT'S VERY MINIMAL AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENCE COSTS. BUT THAT NOT ONLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE AUDIO AUDIBLE, BUT IT WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL BUT DISPLAY TO KNOW THAT THE FIRE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING'S GOING ON. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ADVOCATING. AND IN THE CODE, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT PART, ON THE FIRE. UM, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CALL FOR IT. UM, SO IF SOMEBODY COULD ACTUALLY JUST CHECK ON THAT, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO AT LEAST JUST CHECK ON AND SEE AND SEE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, MAY BE WORTHWHILE, UM, TO PERHAPS ADD. WILL DO. OKAY. I THINK WE WERE GOOD ON NUMBER 25. IF WE COULD CONTINUE TO 26 PLEASE. I THINK WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT 26 WHERE THEY ADDED THE I ONE. OH, YOU ARE CORRECT, CHRIS. THANK YOU. YEP. YEP. THAT WAS THE LOW, LOW AUDIBLE. DID ANYONE, WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LOW AUDIBLE? I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO WE'LL GO ON TO 27 PLEASE. 9 0 7 POINT 10.1. THE KEY UPDATE IN 9 0 7 POINT 10.1 RELATES TO CLARIFYING THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH SMOKE ALARMS SHOULD BE PLACED REPLACED. THE CODE SPECIFIES THAT SMOKE ALARMS MUST BE REPLACED WHEN THEY FAIL TO RESPOND TO TEST EXCEED 10 YEARS FROM THEIR MANUFACTURE DATE. EM MET AN END OF LIFE SIGNAL, OR IF THE DATA MANUFACTURER CANNOT BE DETERMINED, THE UPDATE ALIGNS THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND DOES NOT INTRODUCE ANY NEW MANDATES. IT MERELY PROVIDES CLEAR GUIDELINES AND FORMATTING FOR EASE OF REFERENCE. ADDITIONALLY, ALARMS DO NOT NEED TO INCLUDE THE FIVE 20 HERTZ SIGNAL UNLESS THEY ALREADY FEATURE IT JUST ALIGNING OF SOME OF THE CODES. SO THIS IS ALL, THIS IS MIKE RU THIS IS ALL NEW STUFF OR IS THIS JUST REPLACED? OR IS THIS, AND LEMME JUST SAY WHAT MY CONCERN IS. THERE'S NOT AN, AN, I MEAN, ARE, ARE THESE, DO ALL OF THESE, UM, OR WHEN ANY ONE OF THESE, UH, THINGS [00:35:01] APPLY? SO I DON'T KNOW. I SMOKE ALARM EXCEEDS 10 YEARS. I'M STILL WORKING WHEN YOU DO THE TEST. WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT? AND THE REASON I ASK IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST CREATING A LIABILITY FOR BUSINESS OWNERS FOR, UM, BY SAYING THAT IF IT'S 10 YEARS OLD, YOU HAD TO REPLACE IT. SO NOW I'VE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, DO AN INSPECTION AND LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE SMOKE DETECTOR, NOT JUST TO TEST IT. IF IT WORSE, I'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO CHECK THE MANUFACTURER DATE, TAKE IT DOWN OFF THE CEILING, LOOK AT THE DATE, PUT IT BACK UP. UM, I, I'VE GOT A BIG PROBLEM WITH, WITH ADDING THIS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF EXCEPTION OR, OR TAKE IT OUT NUMBER TWO, UM, OR SOME OTHER, UM, ACCOMMODATION TO ADJUST THIS ONE. I WOULD NOTE THAT NUMBER TWO, UM, WAS SLIGHTLY REWRITTEN. THAT'S NOT A NEW CODE REQUIREMENT. ITEM THREE AND FOUR WERE THE NEW ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED TO THIS SECTION. SO WHAT DID IT SAY BEFORE? SO PREVIOUSLY IT, IT WAS, UH, WHEN THEY FAILED TO RESPOND TO OPERABILITY TEST, UM, OR WHEN THEY EXCEED THE 10 YEARS. SO PREVIOUSLY, IF AN ALARM RESPONDED TO A TEST AND IT'S 15 YEARS OLD, YOU COULD STILL LEAVE IT THERE, RIGHT? NO, IT, IT SAYS, I MEAN, OR SAYS THAT NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF IT PASSES THE TEST, YOU STILL GOTTA GET RID OF IT. UM, NO, I WOULD, I WOULD INTERPRET IT AS MORE AS YOU, YOU, YOU COMPLY WITH ONE OR THE OTHER. SO THIS IMPOSES FIGURE OUT HOW TO, LIKE YOU SAY, TAKE THEM DOWN, TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DATA MANUFACTURER EXCEED. I THINK EXCEEDING 10 IS, SO THIS IS, UH, RIGHT HERE IS THE 2021 LANGUAGE. UM, YOU SEE THAT EVERYTHING'S IN BLUE BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS FROM A PARAGRAPH FORMAT TO A LIST FORMAT. SO YOU GUYS CAN READ THIS. YEAH, I THIS GARCIA THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE OLD, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A BIG LIABILITY ON ANY OWNER. UH, AND AND EXPENSE TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE A THOUSAND SMOKE DETECTORS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GO IN THERE AND TEST THEM, BUT TO ACTUALLY TAKE THEM DOWN AND CHECK THE DATE OF MANUFACTURER, NOW YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY UP ON LADDERS, UH, OR STILTS. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE, UH, 10 YEAR REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN IN NFPA 72 FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE MANUFACTURER INSTALLATION MATERIAL ON ANY SMOKE DETECTOR THAT YOU GET WITHIN THE BOX OR ON THE BOX, IT'LL, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO REPLACE IT AT 10 YEARS. I KNOW HOMEOWNERS THAT REPLACE 'EM EVERY 10 YEARS. YEAH, BRIAN SMITH. UM, BUT IT, AGAIN, IT DOES IN THE CODE FROM THERE. IT DOES SAY OR SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT FAILED TO RESPOND IF IT'S RESPONDING OR IT'S 10 YEARS. SO IF IT'S STILL RESPONDING, IT'S STILL OKAY. THE OLD CODE. CORRECT. SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW IS NOT, AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE, ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IT COULD BRING A, UM, AN UNBURDENED COST POTENTIALLY AND LIABILITY, UH, TWO OF THEM THAT, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S BEING MAINTAINED AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING, UM, THAT TO GIVE THAT OPTION WOULD BE STILL VIABLE. I'LL HAVE TO FIND, SORRY, I'LL HAVE TO FIND A CODE OF REFERENCE. BUT I THINK CHAPTER 11 ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN UPGRADING TO, UH, ESPECIALLY IN OLDER BUILDINGS, WE'RE UPGRADING TO NEWER SMOKE ALARMS COULD BE PHASED IN OR IN, OR PHASED IN OR ADDRESSED DURING LARGER RENOVATIONS. SO I THINK, BUT THAT, BUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS, SAY YOU HAVE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT NOW YES. THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, 500 UNITS OR SOMETHING AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ONES PER UNIT. UM, WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS IF ALL THOSE ARE 10 YEARS OR MORE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND GO THROUGH. AND IF THEY HADN'T GONE THROUGH AND DONE IT AND THEY HAD A FIRE AND THEY FOUND OUT ONE OF [00:40:01] THOSE ARE PASSED, THEN THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT IT, YOU'RE AGAINST CODE, YOU WEREN'T KEEPING UP WITH IT. UM, IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS. UM, WHAT, WHEN YOU STILL HAVE A FUNCTIONAL WORKING UNIT, THAT'S STILL, IT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE CODE IS MAKING SURE THAT UNIT WAS STILL FUNCTIONAL AND WORKING. SO THAT'S NOT HOW I INTERPRET THIS SECTION. SO IS THIS SMOKE ALARM WORKING? OKAY? IS IT MORE THAN 10 YEAR, 10 YEARS OLD? IT HAS TO BE REPLACED. THAT, THAT'S THE END NOW. AND, AND IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD, THEN THAT'S HOW I READ THE PREVIOUS CODE. BUT THE PREVIOUS HOW I, I READ IT AS WELL. IT, I I MISREAD IT FIRST, BUT THEN I READ IT, IT SAYS, OR SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S WORKING, THEN YOU'RE FINE. OR IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, IF IT FAILS TO WORK, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT. OR IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD, YOU CAN, BUT IF IT'S WORKING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. IT'S AN OR THAT'S NOT HOW I INTERPRET THAT SECTION. NO, I, I WOULD SAY THAT'S AN INCORRECT INTERPRETATION. IF YOU FAIL EITHER ONE OF THOSE, YOU HAVE TO DO IT. SO IT COULD BE FUNCTIONAL, BUT MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD, YOU WOULD STILL REPLACE IT. OR IF IT'S EIGHT YEARS OLD AND NOT WORKING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE IT. EITHER OR, OR THEY SHALL BE REPLACED IF THEY DON'T WORK OR THEY ARE MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD. THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS. THEY SHALL BE REPLACED. IF THIS OR IF THIS, I, I THINK THE WAY YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT AS IF IT WAS AN AND WELL, WHAT'S THE APPETITE FOR, UH, CREATING AN AMENDMENT TO GET RID OF TWO AND FOUR? THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO GO. IF IT WAS ALREADY IN CODE. WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN STILL AMEND IT OUT. I KNOW WE CAN'T. BUT, UM, 'CAUSE IF IT, IF YOU TEST IT AND IT'S WORKING AND, AND THIS END OF SIGNAL LIFE, YOU KNOW, END OF END OF LIFE SIGNAL IS NOT SOUNDING, UM, THEN WHAT'S, WE'RE JUST CREATING A, A CAUSE OF ACTION IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. RIGHT. I I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IF IT, IF IT WASN'T IN THE CODE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING IT NOW. IF IT'S BEEN IN THE CODE, IT'S HARD TO GO BACKWARDS AFTER IT'S STARTED. BIDING CODE FOR SAFETY PHASE. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT? THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING THE WORLD LESS SAFE? YES. I MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER 10 YEARS THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT. I MEAN, NOT THAT THIS IS OFFICIAL, BUT ON GOOGLE , SMOKE DETECTORS SHOULD BE REPLACED EVERY 10 YEARS OR SOONER IF THEY DO NOT RESPOND PROPERLY WHEN TESTED. THIS IS BECAUSE THE SENSORS AND SMOKE ALARMS WEAR OUT OVER TIME. I I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT, UH, YOUR ANNUAL FIRE ALARM TEST, YOUR FIRE ALARM CONTRACTOR, YOUR LICENSED CONTRACTOR WHO GOES THROUGH AND TESTS THOSE, OR IF YOU TEST THEM, THAT'S PART OF THE SIGN OFF. THERE ARE, THEY'RE INDICATING IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH NFPA 72 AND SUCH. SO THEY SHOULD IDENTIFY THAT, HEY, THIS DETECTOR IS, IS OLD. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE, THAT, UM, CHAPTER SIX REQUIRES ANY NFPA ON OUR ANNUAL. I MEAN, IF I HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM THAT'S, THAT'S PERMITTED, I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE. BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN A LOT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1960S, FIFTIES, SEVENTIES VINTAGE APARTMENT COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, WE GO AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER HASN'T BEEN DISCHARGED AND IS WITHIN ITS LIFE AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE SMOKE DETECTORS WORK. UM, SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS STRINGENT ANYWAY. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT IS THE FACT THAT IIII PROBABLY REPLACE SMOKE DETECTORS FAR MORE OFTEN THAN EVERY ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHAT, YEAH. BRIAN SMITH, IS THERE ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON IT? ARE YOU GOOD WITH NO, I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW THIS, WE CAN GO BACK AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS. YOU CAN DO THE MAIN BOARD AND MAYBE BRING IT BACK BEFORE, BECAUSE WE'LL, WE'LL MEET AGAIN HERE. OKAY. IF WE NEED TO. OKAY. UH, UPDATE TO SECTION NINE 12.5 0.1. ENSURES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTIONS ARE CLEARLY MARKED WITH SIGNAGE THAT MEETS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. THE SIGNAGE MUST INCLUDE LETTERING AT LEAST ONE INCH IN HEIGHT AND MUST INDICATE WHETHER THE SYSTEM IS MANUAL AND IF IT IS WET OR DRY. THIS [00:45:01] AMENDMENT PULLS REQUIREMENTS FROM NFPA 14 UNTO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, UH, PROVIDING QUICK IDENTIFICATION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION. THE CHANGE IS MOSTLY EDITORIAL IN NATURE AND DOES NOT AFFECT ANY CONSTRUCTION COSTS. JUST ONE INCH LETTERING. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, KEEP GOING. THE UPDATE TO SECTION NINE 14.7 FOCUSES ON CLARIFYING AND CONSOLIDATING FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREAS, INCLUDING PUZZLE ROOMS. IT ALIGNS TERMINOLOGY BETWEEN INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND BRINGS IN EXCEPTIONS PREVIOUSLY SCATTERED ACROSS DIFFERENT SECTIONS. THIS CHANGE SIMPLIFIES THE CODE, REDUCES CONFLICTS BETWEEN SECTIONS AND IMPROVES CLARITY FOR THE REGULATION OF FIRE ALARM AND DETECTION SYSTEMS IN SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREAS. THE PROPOSAL ALSO INTRODUCES EXCEPTIONS FOR OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT AREAS IN CERTAIN PUZZLE ROOMS, REDUCING CONSTRUCTION COSTS BY ELIMINATING UNNECESSARY FIRE ALARM REQUIREMENTS IN SPECIAL AREAS. UM, PUZZLE ROOMS FOR THOSE IN TEXAS ARE ESCAPE ROOMS. SO, UH, LET'S OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATIONS. THIS MAY AFFECT ASSEMBLY, UH, SOME COMMERCIAL, SOME EDUCATIONAL. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. WE'LL CONTINUE. IF WE COME TO NINE 15, UM, I'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH CRYSTAL AND FOR THE MOST PART, NINE 15 WAS GONNA BE TABLED. THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT ANSWERED. UH, FOR CODE DEVELOPMENT. FOR CODE CODE FOR DSD. FAIR ENOUGH. CRYSTAL? YES. YES. 32. UM, THE UPDATE TO NINE 17.2 INTRODUCES A REQUIREMENT FOR A MASS NOTIFICATION RISK ANALYSIS FOR NEW GROUP E OCCUPANCIES WITH AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF 500 OR MORE. THIS ANALYSIS, UH, MUST BE CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH NFPA 72 AND WILL DETERMINE IF A MASS NOTIFICATION SYSTEM IS NECESSARY. THE GOAL OF THE UPDATE IS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY, PARTICULARLY IN SCHOOLS BY REDUCING, UH, INJURIES AND FATALITIES CAUSED BY VARIOUS EMERGENCIES, INCLUDING FIRES, NATURAL DISASTERS, AND HUMAN CAUSE EVENTS LIKE ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATIONS, THE UPDATE EMPHASIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF CUSTOMIZED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS BASED ON SPECIFIC RISK. UM, A MASS NOTIFICATION RISK ANALYSIS, I THINK IS THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS, OF NINE 17.2. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? 32 33. 9 0 9 0 9 OH HMM. NINE OH SOMEHOW. YEP. UPDATED FIRE CODES PROVIDES SECTION 9 0 9 0.2 0.4 IN THE UPDATED FIRE CODES. PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE TRADITIONAL VESTI VESTIBULE PRESSURIZATION SYSTEM FOR INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS AND BUILDINGS EQUIP WITH AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM. VESTIBULES ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED IF THE STAIRWAYS OR RAMPS PRESSURIZE BETWEEN 0.1 POINT 10 AND POINT 35 INCHES OF WATER. THIS ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE MECHANICAL VENTILATION ALTERNATIVE, WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY A COMPLEX AND RESOURCE INTENSIVE SOLUTION. THE GOAL IS TO STREAMLINE CONSTRUCTION AND ENSURE EFFICIENT SMOKE CONTROL WITH LESS [00:50:01] EQUIPMENT AND LOWER COSTS, WHILE STILL MAINTAINING SAFETY STANDARDS BY PRESSURIZING STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS RATHER THAN RELYING ON VESTIBULES OR MECHANICAL VENTILATION. THE UPDATES SIMPLIFIED DESIGN WHILE ENSURING SMOKE DOES NOT ENTER EXIT PATHWAYS. ELIMINATE, UM, NEW TECHNOLOGIES. ELIMINATING MECHANICAL VENTILATION SYSTEMS REDUCES THE NEED FOR COMPLEX EQUIPMENT, OFFERING A MORE EFFICIENT APPROACH WITH FEWER TECHNOLOGICAL DEMANDS. UM, THE CHANGE ALIGNS LOCAL CODES WITH BROADER INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS THAT EMPHASIZE PRESSURIZATION AS AN EFFECTIVE SMOKE CONTROL METHOD PROMOTING CONSISTENCY AND SAFETY ACROSS DIFFERENT BORDERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. DON'T SEE ANY. 1103 DONE. 11 11 0 3 0.9. THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO, TO, TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODE SEEKS TO MANDATE THE INSTALLATION OF CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION SYSTEMS AND EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT POSE POTENTIAL CO RISK, SUCH AS THOSE WITH PERMANENTLY INSTALLED FUEL BURNING APPLIANCES, FIREPLACES, OR ATTACHED GARAGES. THIS UPDATE EMPHASIZES THE GROWING NEED FOR COMPREHENSIVE SEAL DETECTION ACROSS VARIOUS OCCUPANCIES TO PREVENT SEAL POISONING INCIDENTS, CITING RESEARCH CASE STUDIES, AND STATE REGULATIONS THAT SUPPORT THE CHANGE. IT ALSO PROVIDES A SPECIFIC LOCATIONS FOR SEAL ALARMS AND ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE METHODS. UM, THE SEAL DETECTION UPDATE AFFECTS, UH, MULTIPLE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATIONS, RESIDENTIAL R ONE, R TWO, R THREE, R FOUR, SOME COMMERCIAL, SOME INDUSTRIAL AND ASSEMBLY, ASSEMBLY SPACES WITH FUEL BURNING. ANYWAY, SOME OF THOSE, ANY, SO WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS TWO PENDING THE NINE 15 CONVERSATION. YES, CORRECT. WE'VE TABLED 1103 0.9 NUMBER 34. MOVING ON TO 1107, ITEM 35, 11 0 7 ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES FOCUS ON INCREASING SAFETY MEASURES FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS USING LITHIUM ION BATTERY TECHNOLOGY, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE SYSTEMS INSTALLED BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE 2018 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. THE UPDATE REQUIRES BUILDING OWNERS TO SUBMIT A FAILURE. MODES AND EFFECTIVE EFFECTS ANALYSIS ARE FOR REVIEW TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL HAZARDS AND OUTLINE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. IT EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR EARLY DETECTION OF THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENTS TO SAFEGUARD RESPONDERS AND MITIGATE HAZARDS EFFECTIVELY. THE UPDATE ADDRESSES GAPS IN PROTECTION, PARTICULARLY FOR OLDER SYSTEMS THAT WERE INSTALLED UNDER PREVIOUS CODES. UM, THAT'S GOOD. WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, ? IS IT, I MEAN, AND I I DON'T HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS FOR THESE, FOR THESE OCCUPANCIES, IS THAT A PRETTY STANDARD? UM, I MEAN, SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUYING A LITHIUM ION STORAGE SYSTEM, ARE THEY GONNA TEND TO COME WITH THOSE PRE-MADE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT EVERY BUSINESS OWNER THAT BUYS A ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IS GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF PAY SOMEBODY TO DO ON THEIR OWN? DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE SENSE? I'M, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I'M, IF I'M SAYING IT RIGHT. WELL, ARE THESE PRETTY STANDARDIZED WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUY A, A TESLA WALL PACK OR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME WITH THE INFORMATION YOU NEED A HAZARD MITIGATION. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL NEW STUFF. ALL THIS LITHIUM ION THINGS ARE NEW AND TO BRIAN'S POINT EARLIER, ONCE IT GETS IN THE CODE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE ADDING AND IMPROVING. WELL, OKAY. SO CERTAIN OCCUPANCIES, RESIDENTIAL, ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS EXEMPT FROM PROPOSED ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM UPDATES, UH, COMMERCIAL GROUP, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS WILL LIKELY AFFECT COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCIES WITH ESS FOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT. UH, EARLY DETECTION AND CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS ARE CRITICAL IN THESE SETTINGS. INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT RELY ON ESS FOR ENERGY LOAD SHARING, THE, UH, WALL PACKS WILL NEED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STANDARDS. UM, AND THEN ASSEMBLY GROUP A AND ASSEMBLY SIMILAR TO COMMERCIAL SPACES, ASSEMBLY VENUES [00:55:01] SUCH AS CONVENTION CENTERS WITH ESS, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, WE'LL NEED TO IMPLEMENT EARLY DETECTION SYSTEMS AND HAZARD AN ANALYSIS. I THINK WE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN SUCH A, UM, HOW TO SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THESE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, UM, I WOULD NOT SAY THEY'RE STANDARD ONLY BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IMPLEMENT IT AND STANDARDIZE IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I DON'T THINK AS OF RIGHT NOW, I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S STANDARD IS SOUND. IT'S RELEVANT. I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SMALL USER AND A BIG USER? LIKE, UH, A RETAILER THAT HAS 1500 THAT'S RENTING 1500 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE AND IS GONNA HAVE THREE OR FOUR VEHICLES THAT HE NEEDS IN ESS, UH, DO THEY GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEBODY THAT HAS A FLEET OF A THOUSAND VEHICLES OR, UH, A MANUFACTURER OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT? SO THIS ISN'T REALLY BATTERY STORAGE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL ENERGY STORAGE. SO YOU HAVE THE SOLAR PANELS THAT ARE STORING ENERGY, SO IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE, NOT TYPICALLY RELATED TO VEHICLES, RIGHT? BUT YOU HAVE KIND OF THAT BACKUP STORAGE. UM, AND IF THOSE WERE INSTALLED PRIOR TO 2018, THE ADOPTION OF THE 2018 CODES, IT WOULD KICK IN THIS REQUIREMENT AS, LIKE WILLIAM MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S VERY FLUID WITH THE NEW UPDATES AND HOW THEY'RE IMPACTED. UM, HOW THESE, YOU KNOW, BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS, UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT TERM DID YOU USE? I I, I THINK THE QUESTION IS RUNOFF RUNAWAY. THE, IS, IS THERE SOMETHING OFF THE SHELF FOR SMALL SYSTEMS OR IS THIS A CUSTOM DESIGNED REQUIREMENT? I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THEY'RE CUSTOM DESIGNED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, BUSINESS. I MEAN, THE NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT. UM, ESSENTIALLY FOR EACH THAT'S, AND THIS IS MY GROSSING AND I I, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I JUST WANNA TELL YOU LIKE EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ADDED SOLAR TO A BUNCH OF OLD COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMMUNITIES. AND, AND THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE ALL SOCIETY SAYS HE WANTS YOU TO DO RENEWABLE ENERGIES. YOU WANNA DO SOLAR. AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, THERE'S SOME OTHER NEW ROADBLOCK, THERE'S SOME OTHER NEW REPORT, THERE'S SOME OTHER NEW SURVEY, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO TO GET THESE THINGS DONE, THAT, THAT AMOUNT TO NOTHING, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, BUT A TAX TO MAKE IT ALL MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO I FORESEE A TIME IN THE, IN THE FUTURE WHERE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE, UM, EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO GET A PERMIT ON A, ON A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, YOU'VE GOTTA GET AN ASBESTOS TEST NO MATTER WHAT. RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF AS ASBESTOS BEING IN, IN THERE BASED ON WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED OR LAST REHABBED. BUT I GOTTA PAY SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND DO THIS ASBESTOS TEST NO MATTER WHAT. AND IT'S JUST TIME AND MONEY AND DOESN'T BENEFIT ANYBODY EXCEPT THE PERSON THAT GETS PAID TO DO THE INSPECTION. AND THIS JUST, JUST FEELS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? UM, AND MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GONNA TURN INTO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THESE LITHIUM ION SYSTEMS. WE'RE CREATING A INSPECTION REPORT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, I DUNNO, WHATEVER, SAFETY INSPECTOR FULL EMPLOYMENT ACT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW? AND I JUST, I, I JUST, I'M REAL HESITANT TO WANNA SIGN OFF ON STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S SO NEW, RIGHT? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND ONCE WE PUT IT IN THE CODE, IT'S IN THE CODE AND IT TAKES, IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT TO GET IT OUT. UM, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. IF NOBODY SHARES THEM, UH, I DON'T, I WON'T BELABOR IT ANY LONGER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BRIAN SMITH, JUST, JUST FROM WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THIS, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT IS NOT GONNA TOUCH THE RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE TOUCHING THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THESE ARE THE LARGER BATTERY PACKS. MOST OF 'EM WITH SOLAR DON'T DO THE BATTERY PACK, UM, BACKUPS. UM, THEY GO RIGHT INTO THE INVERTER, GO INTO THE SYSTEM. UM, BUT SOME OF THEM THAT DO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLING FOR, IS BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE LARGE PACKS FOR A COMMERCIAL THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE A STORAGE AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE WITH WHAT THE CODE IS SHOWING, THAT'S REQUIRING SOME OF THE NEEDS. RIGHT? NO, I, I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR SOLAR SYSTEMS DON'T HAVE THE BATTERY PACKS YET. 'CAUSE WE DON'T THINK THE TECHNOLOGY'S THERE YET. RIGHT. BUT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSE OF IT. BUT, UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT BE SAFE WITH THEM. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH A CUSTOM, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS, MITIGATION ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS BILL WALL FOR PROTECTION ENGINEER WITH DSD. UM, SO I THINK THE MOST COMMON, UH, SCENARIO IS, UH, THE DATA CENTERS, WHICH THEY, UH, CONTAINS A LOT OF, UH, UH, LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AS, UH, BACKUPS, POWER [01:00:01] SUPPLY NOT REALLY, UH, APPLY TO THOSE RESIDENTIALS OR THE COMMERCIAL USE. AND ALSO THE TABLE, UH, 1207 0.1 0.3, UM, IT'S ALSO LISTED THE, THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY IS 20 KILOWATTS. SO IF ANY, THIS IN MY OWN BATTERY LESS THAN THAT IS NOT, THIS SECTION IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THAT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO 20 KILOWATT BATTERY PACK, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A, LET'S SAY A APARTMENT BUILDING THAT POWERS, UH, 2020 APARTMENT UNITS, YOU KNOW, TWO MIX OF TWO IN ONE BEDROOM. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE LOAD PER BUILDING OR WHAT THAT BATTERY PACK EVENTUALLY WOULD WANT TO HOLD. I, IS THAT A REASONABLE NUMBER? IT ALSO, UM, IT'S THIS LEASING ION BATTERY. SO FOR MOST OF CASE, UH, THERE MAY BE LEAD ASSET BATTERY IS MORE COMMON THAN THE LEAS IN MY OWN BATTERIES. SO YEAH, LIKE THE DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, UH, IN AUTOZONE, UH, WE WORRY ABOUT THE, THE BATTERIES, THE CAR BATTERY, BUT NONE OF THOSE CAR BATTERIES ARE LITHIUM ION BATTERY. THEY ARE ACID LEAD, THE LEAD ACID. RIGHT? I, UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ACTUAL ENERGY, LIKE POWER, THE BUILDING ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. DO THEY MAKE THOSE LEAD ACID? I THOUGHT THOSE WERE ALL LITHIUM ION BASED. YEAH, BRIAN SMITH. SO, UM, SO LIKE A TESLA, YOU KNOW, THE WALL PACKS, UH, IES HAS, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR PARTICULAR ONES AS WELL. THEIR BATTERY PACKS FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT ALSO WORKS. BUT 20 KILOWATTS IS, IS A, A DECENT SIZE. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF POWER. YEAH. YEAH. BUT, BUT AN ARA EVEN FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, I MEAN A LOT OF 'EM ARE 17 KILOWATTS OR MORE. UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING A FULL HOUSE, UH, I'VE SEEN 35 OR MORE EVEN FOR JUST A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. SO, UM, IT'S ENOUGH TO BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM WHAT THE CODE WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, AS FAR AS THE SIZE, THE 15 CUBIC FEET, UH, I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN THAT, THAT SIZE OR GREATER IS TRYING TO CALL FOR, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD AS FAR AS NEW CODES. WELL, CAN WE TABLE THIS AND MAYBE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ANY OF THIS MEANS? 'CAUSE IF WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THEN WE, WE HAVE NO BUSINESS ADOPTING IT IN MY MIND. YES. BRIAN SMITH. SO, UH, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TABLE TO, OR TO WHICH TO NEXT WEEK OR WHEN, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY CLARIFY AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO CLARIFY? UH, WHAT ARE THE FAILURE MODES AND EFFECTS NOW? WHAT DOES A FAILURE MODES AND A EFFECTS ANALYSIS, UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, I, I'D JUST LIKE, WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE CHIEF. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. I THINK THERE'S, I DON'T, THERE IS A, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT LATER, BUT THERE IS LIKE A STANDARD FOR THE FMEA AND FOR THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS, UH, LATER ON FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. WE CAN TABLE IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA, I REMEMBER READING IT, UH, AND PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING, BUT, OKAY. OKAY. IF WE CAN TABLE THAT NEXT WEEK. YES, SIR. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, FOR THE BOARD AND THEN, UH, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT LINE ITEM, UH, 1201. I'M SORRY. ASK RIGHT NOW. CAN, CAN WE TAKE, UM, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? YES, SIR. SO IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE, UH, RESTROOM AND UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RECESS. IT'S 10 0 6 AT 10 10. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND UH, COME RIGHT BACK. FOUR MINUTES. ALRIGHT. 1201 0.1. THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES UNDER 1201 0.1 CLARIFIES THAT CHAPTER 12 APPLIES TO ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS USED FOR GENERATING OR STORING IN ENERGY UNDER THE EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OF AN ELECTRIC UTILITY OR LAWFULLY DESIGNATED AGENCY. THIS CHAPTER OUTLINES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION, OPERATION MAINTENANCE, RETROFITTING TESTING, AND DECOMMISSIONING OF SUCH SYSTEMS. THE UPDATES, REFERENCES NFPA 8 55, REINFORCING CONSISTENCY WITH NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SAFETY. THE PROPOSAL EMPHASIZES THAT IT DOES NOT INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT AIMS TO IMPROVE SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR ESS INSTALLATIONS, PARTICULARLY THOSE MANAGED BY ELECTRIC UTILITIES. [01:05:03] ALRIGHT. SMITH THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IT'S, IT DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TABLE THEN? NOPE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE DO NOT NEED TO TABLE 36. IF YOU COULD GO TO 37 PLEASE. ALRIGHT. 1207 0.1. THE UPDATE TO SECTION 1207 0.1 ADDRESSES TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS REGARDING THE TESTING OF FIRE RESISTANCE RATINGS FOR ELECTRICAL ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THE UPDATE CLARIFIES THAT FIRE RESISTANCE RATINGS BASED UPON ON TESTS LIKE E 19 OR AN C OR NC OR UL 2 63 CANNOT BE ACCURATELY TESTED IN LARGE SCALE BURN TESTS DUE TO UNIQUE NATURE OF HEAT GENERATION IN THE, IN ESS. AS A RESULT, THE LANGUAGE IS MODIFIED TO ALIGN WITH THE PRACTICAL LIMITATIONS OF CURRENT METHODOLOGIES, PARTICULARLY UL 9 54. 95 40 A. THE UPDATE ENSURES THAT ACCURATE DATA ON FIRE RESISTANCE IS COLLECTED AND REPORTED, ALTHOUGH NOT IN TERMS OF TRADITIONAL FIRE RESISTANCE RATING DURATIONS. THE CHANGE DOES NOT AFFECT CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR METHODS, UM, EMPHASIS ON THE CURRENT RESISTANCE. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT WAS NUMBER 37. SO THIS PARAGRAPH JUST, UM, CHANGES RIGHT UNDERMINE. OKAY. FOR 12 0 7 1 BA BASICALLY IT'S JUST REFERENCING SOME FUTURE SECTIONS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME EXCEPTIONS. IS THAT, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? FULL COMPLIANCE ON SINGLE. SO THE EXCEPTION IS THAT THOSE, UM, BASICALLY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS SECTION UNLESS THEY EXCEED. UM, THEY ONLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE SECTIONS. LET ME SEE MY NOTES. SORRY. WHEN THEY EXCEED THE RATINGS, UM, IN THAT FUTURE SECTION THAT WILL, THAT WE WILL GO OVER. SO IT'S KIND OF A POINTER AGAIN, LIKE, HEY, THE SINGLE FAMILY AND WE'VE SEEN THAT, UH, TRADITIONALLY THAT, THAT THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL USES. UNLESS THEY EXCEED THOSE QUANTITIES, THEN THEY WOULD, UH, THOSE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX GROUP HOMES IS THE, UH, R THREE AND R FOUR. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE SECTIONS IF THEY EXCEED THOSE LIMITS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO WE WILL NOT TABLE 37. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO 38. LEMME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT. THE PROPOSED UPDATES IN SECTION 1207 0.1 0.1 AND 1207 0.1 0.2 CLARIFY REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN SYSTEMS FOCUSING ON EXEMPTING CERTAIN CAPACITOR EQUIPMENT FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES AND INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES FROM THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS ALIGNING WITH NFPA 8 55 STANDARDS. ADDITIONALLY, MOBILE ESS UNITS DEPLOYED FOR LESS THAN 90 DAYS DURING PERIODS OF TESTING OR REPAIR OF STATIONARY. ESS ARE ALSO EXEMPT FROM ADDING TO THE THRESHOLD LIMITS FOR STATIONARY INSTALLATIONS. THE UPDATED TABLE 1207 0.1 0.1 PROVIDES REVISED THRESHOLD QUANTITIES FOR VARIOUS ESS TECHNOLOGIES, INCLUDING NEW TECHNOLOGIES LIKE NICKEL ZINC AND SODIUM NICKEL CHLORIDE BATTERIES. THE CHANGES AIM TO ALIGN INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE WITH NFPA 8 55 AND STREAMLINE THE CLASSIFICATION OF SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR ER ENERGY STORAGE TECHNOLOGIES. UH, THE PROPOSED, I THINK WE HEARD EARLIER WITH THE, UH, 1207 DOT THE TABLE 1207 0.1 0.1 IS WHERE BILL WANG WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE 20 KILOWATT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, CAN YOU BRING THAT TABLE UP? I THINK THAT'S THE TABLE THAT REFERENCES FOR DIFFERENT BATTERIES. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WE'LL CONTINUE. UH, THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO SECTION 1207 0.1 0.6 REQUIRES A HAZARD, UH, HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS ONE. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS, SUCH AS A FAILURE MODES AND EFFECTIVE ANALYSIS TO BE CONDUCTED FOR A SPECIFIC ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM. SO I GUESS UNTIL WE CAN GET A CLARIFICATION ON FMEA AND [01:10:01] HAZARD MITIGATION. WE'LL, 39 YES. 39 WE'LL TABLE TILL NEXT WEEK. ALRIGHT, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO NEXT WEEK WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING A, A BETTER DEFINITION OF A HAZARD MITIGATION, YOU'RE EXPECTING A, A BOARD MEMBER THAT IS, UH, WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH. OKAY. CORRECT. THAT CAN GIVE US BETTER CLARIFICATION. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. UH, ITEM NUMBER 40 12 0 7 0.2 0.1. THE UPDATE TO 1207 0.2 0.1 FOCUSES ON COMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS FOR NEWLY INSTALLED ARE RETROFITTED ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. A DETAILED COMMISSIONING PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BEFORE ANY ESS IS PLACED INTO SERVICE. THE PLAN INCLUDES TESTING PROTOCOLS, PERSONNEL ASSIGNMENTS, SYSTEM PERFORMANCE VERIFICATION, HAZARD SYSTEMS INTEGRATION AND STAFF TRAINING. EXCEPTIONS ARE PROVIDED FOR LEAD ACID AND CADMIUM, CADMIUM BATTERY SYSTEMS USED BY UTILITIES AND TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES. THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH N FPA 8 55 STANDARDS AND OFFERS INDUSTRY SPECIFIC OPTIONS FOR COMMISSIONING ESS SYSTEMS WITHOUT INCREASING CONSTRUCTION COST. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MS. SAL GARCIA, ON THESE, UH, STANDARDS? IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS ON WHO PERFORMS THAT COMMISSIONING? CAN IT BE THE INSTALLER OF THEIR CERTIFIED OR IS THERE A, DOES IT REQUIRE A THIRD PARTY? IF I'M LOOKING AROUND, I'M LIKE, AH, GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. OR EVEN, EVEN WORSE, IS IT GONNA BE CPS? WELL, CPS DOES REQUIRE COMMISSIONING ON ALL THEIR ENERGY STORAGE THAT'S CONNECTED TO THEIR GRID, RIGHT? SO EVEN, EVEN RESIDENTIAL. UM, SO THEY REQUIRE COMMISSIONING ON, ON ALL THE NEW BATTERY STORAGE. RIGHT? SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHO THIS IS REFERENCING. THEN THE, WHOEVER DOES THE COMMISSIONING 'CAUSE LIKE WHEN WE GET OUR, THE SOLAR SYSTEMS GET UP AND GRIND. IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT COMMISSIONS IT, IT'S THE, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S THE CPS THAT COMMISSIONS IT. YEAH. PARTIALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, SIR, OR NOT IN, IN MANY INSTANCES WHEN, FOR ANY COMMISSIONING OF ANY SYSTEM, UH, SOME REQUIRE THIRD PARTY, SOME JURISDICTIONS REQUIRE THIRD PARTY. OTHERS ALLOW THE, AN ENGINEER OF RECORD OR SOMEBODY THAT DESIGNED THEM TO REVIEW IT AND, AND CERTIFY THAT IT'S INSTALLED PER WHATEVER STANDARD IT IS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS COMES WITH A REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT. SO LOOKING THROUGH THE CODE SECTION, IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHO IS TO PERFORM THAT COMMISSIONING IN THIS INSTANCE. SO AS LONG AS IT MEETS THESE, UM, ITEMS, THE COMMISSIONING PLAN IDENTIFIES THESE ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE CODE, THEN THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. DO YOUR QUESTION TWO. OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. ALRIGHT. 1207, ITEM NUMBER 42. THE UPDATE TO SECTION 1207 0.3 0.1 MANDATES THAT ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS BE LISTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH UL 95 40, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR THE SAFETY FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. HOWEVER, EXCEPTIONS ARE PROVIDED FOR LEAD ACID AND NICKEL CADMIUM BATTERY SYSTEMS USED BY TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES, ELECTRIC UTILITIES, AND IN UNINTERRUPTABLE POWER SUPPLIES FOR STANDARD POWER. THESE EXCEPTIONS ALIGN WITH NFPA 8 55 STANDARDS. THE CHANGE, THE CHANGES AIM TO MAINTAIN SAFETY WHILE ALLOWING CERTAIN BATTERY SYSTEMS TO BYPASS UL 95 40 LISTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS, STREAMLINING REGULATORY COMPLIANCE WITHOUT IMPACTING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THE PROPOSED UPDATES IN 1207 0.3 0.1 ARE MORE SPECIALIZED, FOCUSING ON ENSURING THEY'RE JUST MORE SPECIALIZED. ANY QUESTIONS? SOME, ANY QUESTIONS? KEEP GOING. NO. SOME COMMERCIAL GROUPS, SOME COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS USING UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLIES WITH LEAD ACID BATTERIES FOR STANDBY POWER BENEFIT FROM THIS EXCEPTION. SO NOW MOVE ON. THANK YOU. [01:15:02] THE UPDATE TO SECTION 1207 0.3 0.7 0.1 CLARIFIES THAT RETROFITTING ARE CHANGING OUT LEAD ACID AND NICKEL CADMIUM BATTERIES WITH SIMILAR BATTERIES WITHOUT INCREASING SI SYSTEM SIZE OR ENERGY CAPACITY BY MORE THAN 10% WILL BE CONSIDERED A REPAIR RATHER THAN A MODIFICATION. THIS APPLIES TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS OF FACILITIES, ELECTRIC UTILITIES, AND UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLIES. AS SUCH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONING OR PERMITS ARE REQUIRED. THE CHANGE ALIGNS WITH NFPA 8 55 AND SIMPLIFIES REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, POTENTIALLY REDUCING COSTS FOR MAINTAINING THESE SYSTEMS. YOU GOOD? GO UPDATE TO SECTION 1207 0.5 0.1 AND 1207 0.5 0.3 FOCUSES ON THE SIZE THE SEPARATION AND LOCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRICAL AL CHEMICAL ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THE UPDATES SPECIFY THE ESS GROUPS SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50 KILOWATT HOUR AND MUST BE SEPARATED BY AT LEAST THREE FEET. HOWEVER, EXCEPTIONS ARE PROVIDED FOR LEAD ACID AND NICKEL CADMIUM SYSTEMS USING TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UTILITY, AND UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLIES APPLICATIONS. THE CHANGES ALSO RESTRICT ESS INSTALLATIONS FROM BEING LOCATED ABOVE 75 FEET OR BELOW THE LOWEST EXIT LEVEL WITH EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN BATTERY SYSTEMS AND FIRE CODE OFFICIAL APPROVAL. THESE MODIFICATIONS ALIGN WITH N-F-P-A-A 55 AND PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY WHILE MAINTAINING SAFETY STANDARDS. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NOPE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HIT THE LAST PAGE. SECTION 12 0 7 5 4 AND 12 0 7 5 4 0.1. FOCUS ON FIRE DETECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR ROOMS AND AREAS CONTAINING ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SUCH AS ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL SYSTEMS. THE CODE MANDATES THE INSTALLATION OF EITHER AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION OR RADIANT ENERGY SENSING. FIRE DETECTION SYSTEMS, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION OF ESS INDOOR AREAS, WALK-IN UNITS, PARKING GARAGES OR ROOFTOPS. THESE DETECTION SYSTEMS MUST COMPLY WITH SECTION 9 0 7 0.2 OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND NFPA 72 FOR ALARM TRANSMISSION TO APPROPRIATE MONITORING STATIONS. UH, SECTION 12 0 7 4 5 4 1 ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF A PROCESS CONTROL SYSTEM TO MONITOR FIRE DETECTION SYSTEMS FOR CERTAIN LEAD ACID OR NICKEL CADMIUM BATTERY SYSTEMS USED BY ELECTRIC UTILITIES. THANK YOU. 1207 0.6. UH, THIS IS AFFECTING TABLE 1207 0.6. IS IT UP? MM-HMM. THERE WE GO. OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE OUTLINES TECHNOLOGY SPECIFIC FIRE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS INCLUDING BATTERIES AND CAPACITOR ESS. THE TABLE DETAILS THE MANDATORY SAFETY FEATURES. FOR EXAMPLE, EXHAUST VENTILATION, EXPLOSION CONTROL, SPILL CONTROL, THERMAL RUNAWAY PROTECTION REQUIRED FOR SPECIFIC BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS LEAD ACID, NICKEL, CADMIUM, LITHIUM ION AND FLOW BATTERIES. CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS EXPLOSION CONTROL AND SPILL CONTROL VARY BASED ON BATTERY TECHNOLOGY USED AND EXEMPTIONS EXIST FOR TECHNOLOGIES THAT POSE LOWER RISK OR UNDER CONTROL OF UTILITY OPERATORS. SUMMARY, UH, SECTION 1207 6.3 ADDRESSES EXPLOSION CONTROL REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SPECIFYING WHEN AND HOW EXPLOSION CONTROLS SHOULD BE APPLIED TO ROOMS, AREAS, OR CABINETS CONTAINING ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL ELECTROCHEMICAL ESS TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS LITHIUM ION BATTERIES. THE SECTION OUTLINES SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS FOR LEAD ACID AND NICKEL CADMIUM BATTERIES IN CERTAIN UTILITIES, TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND UPS INSTALLATIONS. THE PROPOSAL AIMS TO CORRECT AND OVERSIGHT REGARDING EXPLOSION CONTROL FOR ESS CABINETS CONTAINING LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND PROVIDES OPTIONS FOR WAIVING EXPLOSION CONTROLLED IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET SUCH AS LARGE SCALE FIRE TESTING OR DOCUMENTATION SHOWING NO SIGNIFICANT [01:20:01] FLAMMABLE GAS RELEASE. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY I'M NORMALLY SYMPATHETIC TO ANYTHING THAT'S LABELED EXPLOSION CONTROL, BUT, UM, I THINK MAYBE KAREN'S EXPERTISE WOULD BE WORTH, UH, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TABLE THIS TO NEXT WEEK, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE, I DO JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT, BUT IF WE'RE HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY TO TABLE IT FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION. UM, HOLD ON A SECOND. SO THIS, SO IT IS EXCEPTIONS, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL, UM, ADHERENCE OR THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE, UH, IT JUST ALLOWS THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO TRADITIONALLY WE SEE NEW, UM, NEW OPTIONS INTRODUCED TO THE CODE AND THAT WAS OUR TAKE ON THIS SECTION, UH, WAS JUST, UM, ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS, UM, BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, ESS CABINETS, THE WALK-IN UNITS WAS ALREADY REALLY THERE, BUT, UM, JUST NEW EXCEPTIONS, UM, TO THIS REQUIREMENT. DO YOU SEE THE PAST FEW SECTIONS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LEAD ACID AND NICK NICKEL CADIUM, UM, SYSTEMS AND SO THEY'VE ADDED THAT, UM, HERE AS WELL. I MEAN, WE DON'T, I I I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. I WE DON'T LOSE ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUTTON, KAREN. I, I, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO. IT JUST ADDS MORE TO IT. SO IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE STRINGENT ON IT AND IT'S JUST GIVEN EXCEPTIONS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON. THE TABLE, HUH? SORRY, THE TABLE EXPLAINED IT AS WELL. IT REFERENCE THE NEW TABLE ON TOP. SO JOE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES INCLUDE NEW STRINGENT NO, NO, NO. OKAY. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK IT HAD, SO I, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY GOOD WITH THIS. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT AND NOT TABLE IT FOR NEXT WEEK. OKAY. NOTED. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLAR UH, CLARIFICATION. UH, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE, CHIEF. ALRIGHT. SECTIONS 1207 POINT 10.1 AND SECTION 1207 POINT 10.2 COVER REQUIREMENTS FOR CHARGING STORAGE DEPLOYMENT OF MOBILE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THESE SECTIONS INTRODUCED SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR ESS WHEN THEY ARE CHARGED AND STORED FOR FUTURE USE ARE AFTER DEPLOYMENT, AS WELL AS WHEN THEY ARE DEPLOYED TO ANOTHER CIPHER POWER PROVISION. NOTABLY, THE UPDATES INCLUDE EXEMPTIONS FOR LEAD ACID AND NICKEL CADMIUM BATTERY SYSTEMS USED IN ELECTRIC UTILITY APPLICATIONS ALIGNING WITH NFPA 8 55. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO QUESTIONS. GO TO THE NEXT THANK YOU. SECTION 12 0 7 11 ADDRESSES THE INSTALLATION OF ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN GROUP R THREE AND OUR FOUR OCCUPANCIES, WHICH INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. THE UPDATE ALIGNS WITH SIMILAR STANDARDS IN THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND NFPA 8 55 FOR STATIONARY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. IT INTRODUCES MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF ESS IN SPECIFIC ROOMS AND SPACES AND REMOVES AN EXCEPTION THAT PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED REPURPOSED UNLISTED ELECTRICAL VEHICLE BATTERY SYSTEMS. UH, SYSTEMS EXCEEDING ENERGY CAPACITY LIMITS SHOULD FOLLOW COMMERCIAL ESS STANDARDS. THE UPDATE IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS DUE TO MORE RESTRICTIONS AND THE REMOVAL OF CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS. UM, LIKELY RESULT IN STRICTER INSTALLATION AND SAFETY PROTOCOLS FOR OLDER STRUCTURES. UM, DISCUSSION. IT, IT TALKS ABOUT A UL LISTING SAYING FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, IF THAT IS EXCEPTION THAT'S IN THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, I'M, IT IT SAYS THAT IT WAS IN THE IRC 2021 ALREADY. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NOPE. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT, [01:25:21] SORRY, WE JUST JUMPED SOME CHAPTER THERE. IT'S A RELAY. WE HAND IT OFF RIGHT QUICK. GOOD HERE. OKAY, WE ARE IN CHAPTER FOUR, FOUR FLAMMABLE FINISHES. 24 0 4 IS REFERENCING THOSE SPRAY FINISHES. SO THESE WERE NEW SECTIONS, UM, ON ITEM 49. SO NEW SECTION 24, 0 4 0.2 AND THREE. SO THIS, THESE SECTIONS IDENTIFY THAT, IDENTIFY THAT THOSE INFLATABLE OR PORTABLE ENCLOSURES FOR SPRAY APPLICATION OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM CODE SET FORTH FOR SPRAY BOOTS. SO WE DON'T WANNA SEE SOME POPUP SPRAY BOOTHS BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MET, UM, IN THE INFLATABLE OR PORTABLE ENCLOSURES DON'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S IT FOR 24. WE'LL MOVE ON TO 27. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE CAN 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO DISCUSS ON OUR NEXT ONE. SO WE'RE JUST PUSHING, PUSHING RIGHT THROUGH. OKAY. ITEM 50 FOR TABLE 27. OH 4.2 0.2 0.1. THIS IS A REVISED TABLE. SO THESE, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THESE CHANGES ARE CONSISTENT WITH NFPA THREE 18. THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSE HIGHER DENSITIES. UM, THE HIGHER DENSITIES ARE NEEDED TO MEET THE CURRENT MANUFACTURING NEEDS. SO EACH OF EACH OF THE QUANTITIES HAVE BEEN DOUBLED. SO WE SAW THIS AS A GOOD ADD, UM, FOR OCCUPANCIES UTILIZING THESE, UM, THESE ITEMS. THE SEMICONDUCTOR AND FABRICATION FACILITIES IS, ARE THE OCCUPANCIES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS. SO THEY'VE BEEN IN NFPA THREE 18 SINCE 2002. UM, SO NOW WE ARE UPDATING THIS. THE IFFC IS UPDATING THIS TABLE TO MATCH. ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO CHAPTER 31 FOR TENS. TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT STRUCTURES AND OTHER MEMBRANE STRUCTURES. SO THIS NEW SECTION FOR WATERFIELD VESSELS, UM, ENSURES THAT MANUFACTURERS OF TENTS AND MEMBRANE STRUCTURES, UH, IT DI THIS SECTION DICTATES HOW THOSE WATER BARRELS, UH, MAY BE USED TO ANCHOR THEIR PROJ PRODUCTS, TAKEN A LOCAL ENTITY, UH, OUT OF THE EQUATION. SO IT'S JUST SETTING UP THE, UM, REFERENCING BACK TO THE, UM, MANUFACTURER'S LOAD SPECIFICATIONS. SO THIS IS LIKE A, A FES TENT THAT'S ANCHORED BY A, A BIG 55 GALLON BARREL OF WATER. EXACTLY. AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE TENSILE STRENGTH OF THE FABRIC MATCHES. IS THAT? THAT'S IT. YEP. UH, WE STILL HAVE THIS, UH, PERMITTED WHERE APPROVED LANGUAGE THAT WE SAW LAST TIME, UH, OR A COUPLE TIMES AGO AGO. WHERE, WHERE WOULD IT BE APPROVED IF THOSE WATER FILLED VESSELS ARE APPROVED PER THE TENT STRUCTURE? MANUFACTURERS LOAD SPECS. SO IT'S REFERENCING THE SECOND SET. I GOTCHA. SO IF THE SPECIFICATIONS SAY THAT THEY CAN USE THE WATER FILLED VESSELS, THEN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE APPROVAL THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. WE'VE TALKED A LOT OR HERE AND THERE ABOUT THE INFLATABLE, UH, DEVICES. SO THIS NEW SECTION IDENTIFIES THE BASIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE INFLATABLE AMUSEMENT DEVICES, THE BOUNCY HOUSES. UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THOSE VIDEOS WHERE THEY'RE FLYING AWAY WITH CHILDREN INSIDE. SO WE'LL [01:30:01] SEE THIS, IT WILL INCREASE THE COST OF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST COMPLYING WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS. UH, 'CAUSE THE PRODUCTS ARE, HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN UNREGULATED AND NOW THEY'LL HAVE TO, UH, UNDERGO SOME FIRE TESTING AND COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS. SO, SO, UH, BRIAN SMITH. SO MY, UH, HAVE, HAVE YOU, DOES THESE DEVICES ALREADY STATE PART OF THE MANUFACTURER FIRE, UM, UM, MEETING CERTAIN CRITERIA OR HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE THESE BOUNCE HOUSES AND SUCH THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A RATING, ITERATING OR, UM, COMPLYING WITH THIS NEW CODE? SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT WE SEE THAT WITH THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS OR A TAG, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE OUR MATTRESSES HAVE THAT TAG THAT PROBABLY NOBODY LOOKS AT THAT STATE WHAT'S, UM, REQUIRE STATE WHAT SPECIFICATIONS THEY COMPLY WITH. WE WOULD SEE THIS FIRE RATING, UM, DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS. THEY, UH, THEY ARE TYPICALLY ALREADY INCOMPLIANT WITH THIS. UM, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ITEMS, UM, INFLATABLES THAT ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE AT BIG FAIRS IN, UM, FIESTA, BUT BRIAN SMITH AGAIN. SO HAS ANYONE, UM, REACHED OUT TO ANY, THE STAKEHOLDERS OR ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR PEOPLE TO SEE, UM, WHETHER THERE'D BE AN ISSUE AT THE MOMENT TO MEET COMPLIANCE FOR WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVE NOT, NO, WE HAVE NOT ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD ON THAT. THAT WOULD JUST BE MY CONCERN. JUST AS FAR AS PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY PURCHASED ALL THIS IS IS IF THAT PARTICULAR UNIT DOESN'T HAVE IT, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET IT IN COMPLIANCE? IS THERE A TESTING REGULATION THEY CAN TE I I DON'T, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND I'D HATE TO PUT SOMEONE COMPLETELY OUT OF BUSINESS IF THERE WASN'T A, A WAY OF, UM, TIERING IT TO ALLOW THEM TO GO, HEY, WHEN, WHEN WE UPDATE IT WHEN I HAVE IT, OR IF I'VE GOT A YEAR TO DO IT OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK FOR IT. UH, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS JUST PUTTING SOME PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS. ANY ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENT. THIS IS JILL LAYS, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO GET A DOCUMENT TO SHOW US SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAMP ON THE, ON THE EQUIPMENT? YEAH. YES. GENERALLY. UM, OUR INSPECTORS, AS LONG AS THERE, YES, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS IT MEETS THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT'S ACCEPTABLE EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TAG. YES. AND WHAT, SO THOSE ARE SOME QUESTION I IS, DO WE HAVE A TESTING FACILITY HERE IN TOWN THAT THEY, THEY WOULD BRING A UNIT TO GET TESTS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE THAT JUST, THOSE WOULD BE SOME QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE TO DO. I THE ONLY THING, UH, THIS IS LITTLEROCK, THE ONLY THING IF, IF YOU GET A TESTED YOU THAT TEST IS, UH, PROCEDURES PROBABLY GONNA COST MORE THAN, THAN THE, UH, MATERIAL. SO WHAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE GONNA RUN, RUN 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO. POSSIBLY, COULD WE MAYBE HAVE AN IB CREATED FOR THIS THAT'LL, UH, UH, REGULATE THAT? YES, SIR. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO WE CAN I LET OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR OR WHAT WE WOULD ACCEPT, UM, PRIOR TO THEM PUTTING THESE UP OR PURCHASING THEM? CORRECT. GREAT. THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD COMPROMISE. AND AGAIN, PUTTING US TOWARDS WHAT WE WANT, WHICH IS BETTER SAFETY. YES, SIR. BUT STILL ALLOWS THEM TO FUNCTION. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS WILLIAM. IS IS THIS RETROACTIVE THERE? THERE MAY BE PERMANENT ONES. WE HAVE SOME LARGE ENTERTAINMENT LOCATIONS HERE. SEAWORLD, FIESTA, TEXAS, WHERE THEY MAY HAVE SOME OF THESE THERE THAT ARE THERE ALL DAY LONG ALL THE TIME. THEY JUST DEFLATE 'EM, BUT THEN REINFLATE 'EM THE, THE NEXT DAY AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 10 YEARS. UM, IS IS THIS RETROACTIVE TO THOSE AS WELL? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP IN, IN TERMS OF CHAPTER 11, BUT I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER. I CAN GET YOU A CLARIFYING ANSWER. YES. ARE WE OKAY WITH TABLING THIS TO NEXT WEEK? YEAH, WE GET SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YES, SIR. AND THEN WE CAN, UM, AND I'LL ALSO TRY TO HAVE A, UH, ROUGH DRAFT OF AN IB ROUGH DRAFT OF AN IB FOR YOU NEXT WEEK. YEAH, I I JUST THINK IF WE, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS AND STILL BEING CONSCIOUS OF, OF BEING SAFE BUT ALSO NOT PUTTING ANYBODY OUTTA BUSINESS. CORRECT? CORRECT. YES SIR. [01:35:01] ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS ALL THAT WE HAVE ON OUR BOARD TODAY. SO WE HAD COMPLETED PRIOR ONE THROUGH NINE, UH, TODAY, IF I'M CORRECT HERE, CRYSTAL, WE HAD NUMBER 11 ON HOLD. WE HAD NUMBER 21, 24, 30, 31, 34, 35, 39, AND 52 TILL NEXT WEEK. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT. IF I CAN GET A MOTION THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROVE, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT, OTHER THAN WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, IF I CAN GET A MOTION, CORY PALM MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALL OTHER ITEMS OTHER THAN THE EXCEPTIONS. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? MS. LEWIS FROCK? WAS I SECOND THE MOTION? SO I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, UH, THE, YES, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. THE, UH, SET THAT I PRINTED OUT ON THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 53 THROUGH 57. IT MAY HAVE BEEN PRIOR. WAS THAT ON AN, AN ADDITIONAL PAGE, WILLIAM? NO. OR IT'S, NO, IT WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. HIS PRIOR SAME PAGE. SO WE'RE PREPARED. I PRINTED IT ON THE 30TH, UH, WHEN IT WAS SENT BY JUNE. THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT JEREMY SENT OUT WITH THE, UH, MEETING INVITE. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. I MEAN, WE'RE PREPARED TO GO OVER THOSE ITEMS IF YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS OR YOU'VE MADE A MOTION, WE HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES THAT WOULD KEEP IT IN LINE WITH WHAT JEREMY HAS, IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. SO I WOULD, I'M SORRY, I DID, I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE NO, NO, THAT WAS THE END. IT, IT WAS THE END. SO, UM, LET'S MAKE AN AMENDMENT OF THAT MOTION AND SECOND AND WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH 53 THROUGH 57 SINCE WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME. THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR NEXT WEEK SINCE WE ADDED SOME ITEMS. SO 53, UM, WOULD BE THE, UH, 31 0 8 0.4, WHICH IS THE OPEN OR EX EXPOSED FLAME, JOSEPH. OH YEAH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT JEREMY HAD, UH, SENT OUT, WHICH INCLUDED 53 THROUGH 57. THE ONES THAT WERE HANDED OUT TODAY ONLY WENT TO 52, BUT I BELIEVE OPEN RECORDS IT WAS SENT PRIOR 72 HOURS. SO UP TO 57 WAS PRESENTED. IS THAT OKAY? I I BELIEVE THE, UH, AGENDA POSTING, UM, BASICALLY STATES JUST, UM, UH, REVIEW OF, OF FIRE CODES, SO WHATEVER IS PRESENTED AS SHOULD BE. GOOD. SO WE'RE FINE. SO WE CAN CONTINUE. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE, DO WE NEED TO RE WITHDRAW THAT MOTION SO WE CAN UM, I WAS DOING AN AMENDMENT TO THE TABLE. IT, WE'LL DOING AN AMENDMENT TABLE IT UNTIL, WE'LL TABLE THE MOTION UNTIL ONCE WE FINISH AND THEN WE'LL AMEND IT TO INCLUDE THROUGH 57 IF EVERYTHING'S GOOD. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE CHIEF ON NUMBER 53, WHICH IS 31 0 8 0.4 PLEASE. OKAY, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PICK UP YEAH, CRYSTAL IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SO 53, UH, THAT WAS A REVISED SECTION THAT, UM, SO WE ARE STILL IN THE TENTS AND TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE PROXIMITY TO OPEN OR EXPOSED FLAME. AND SO SOME ITEMS WERE MOVED AROUND IN THIS SECTION AND I CAN BRING UP THE 2024, UH, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS IF, IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE IT, THAT, UM, THAT 20 FOOT SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WAS REDUCED TO 10. SO NOW YOU CAN HAVE THAT TENT STRUCTURE WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE OPEN FLAME. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A, UM, A RE THE CODE HAS RELAXED THE REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR THIS ITEM. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SEES US A LOT AT OUR FESTIVALS AND EVENTS. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IT IS THAT ITEM, UH, RELATED TO THE PRIOR ONE, UM, THAT WE TABLED THAT, THAT, SO IF YOU HAVE IT TESTED, YOU CAN GO DOWN TO 10 FEET NOW. UM, WHEREAS, SO BEFORE IT WAS 20 FEET AND MAYBE THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION IT WAS TESTED. SO THAT WAS FOR THE INFLATABLES. THIS IS JUST PROXIMITY TO OPEN FLAMES. SO I GUESS IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE SOME OPEN FLAME NEXT TO YOUR INFLATABLE, YOU COULD REDUCE THE, UM, UH, THE DISTANCE TO 10 FEET. WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHY THAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO BE, UH, TESTED IS YOU CAN PUT PUT IT NEXT TO, [01:40:01] UH, A OPEN COOKING FLAME NOW. SO, UM, IT REFERENCES FOR, FOR TEMPORARY COOKING, IT REFERENCES, UM, CHAPTER WHAT, 41 AND THEN THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE ALL IN BLUE, IS THAT ALL NEW CHAPTER 41. CHAPTER 41 WAS TAKING ALL OF THE, UM, TEMPORARY EVERYTHING AND PUTTING IT INTO THAT CHAPTER. SO YES, IT IS ALL IN BLUE 'CAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW CHAPTER, BUT MOST OF THOSE CODE ITEMS WERE FOUND, UH, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CODE. THEY'RE JUST COMBINING 'EM INTO THAT TEMPORARY HEATING AND COOKING OPERATIONS IN ONE SECTION. SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT ONE, UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, OR AT LEAST IN MY BOOK, LIKE WHICH, UH, WHERE THIS WAS LY PREVIOUSLY LOCATED IN THE CODE. OKAY. CHAPTER 32. THIS IS HIGH PILE COMBUSTIBLE STORAGE. SO 32 0 8 0.3 FOR FLU SPACES. THAT WAS REVISED. UM, AND THERE'S AN EXHIBIT, UH, THAT I CAN BRING UP. SO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER RACK UPRIGHTS CAN BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FLU SPACE REQUIRE MEASUREMENTS HAS COME UP FOR QUESTION OFTEN. UM, SO NFPA EVEN THE 2019 SHOWS, UH, THE SHOWS THE RACK UPRIGHTS CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE MEASUREMENT OF FLU SPACES. SO I'M GONNA BRING UP THE, UM, CODE SECTION. IS THAT ABOUT FOUR? SO THESE ARE THE FLU SPACES THAT, THAT IT'S SPEAKING TO. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NOPE. WE'LL KEEP, CAN TAKE ON CRYSTAL. OKAY. WE ARE MOVING ALONG TO CHAPTER 39, PROCESSING AND EXTRACTION FACILITIES. SO 39 0 1, UM, WAS REVISED AND THERE WERE A COUPLE NEW SECTIONS. SO THE CULTIVATION PROCESSES INCLUDE ASSOCIATED HAZARDS SUCH AS THE CARBON DIOXIDE GENERATION LIGHTING ISSUES. SO THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED IN THESE, UH, THIS REVISED IN NEW SECTIONS, UH, WAS, THEY'RE REALLY CONSIDERED CLARIFICATIONS OF THE CHAPTER AND OTHER SECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE IFC THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO, UH, TO THIS USE. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. 39 0 5. I SO STILL IN THE PROCESSING AND EXTRACTION FACILITIES. THIS SECTION FOR VENTILATION IS A NEW SECTION. UH, JUST CODIFIES THE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT MECHANICAL EXHAUST VENTILATION AND REMOVES THE OPTION FOR NATURAL VENTILATION. UM, A LOT OF THIS LANGUAGE IS FROM THE MECHANICAL CODE FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES. HAS THE MECHANICAL COMMITTEE MEANT TO APPROVE? THEY HAVE NOT. IF THIS IS BRINGING OVER FROM THE MECHANICAL CODE, SHOULD WE WAIT? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST REFERENCING TO, TO THE MECHANICAL CODE, NOT BRINGING OVER ANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. UM, SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T NEW TO THE MECHANICAL CODE. JUST, UM, JUST REFERENCING THAT VENTILATION IF CHAPTER FOUR? YEAH, CHAPTER FOUR FOR THE VENTILATION. UM, THAT, THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED FOR OTHER OCCUPANCIES. NUMBER 57, CHAPTER 40, STORAGE OF DISTILLED [01:45:01] SPIRITS AND WINE. SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT MORE OF THESE OCCUPANCIES IN THE PAST NOW FIVE, SIX YEARS, UM, AND HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY, UH, WITH THE FIRE PROTECTION AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. SO THESE NEW SECTIONS, TABLES AND FIGURES REALLY HELP PROVIDE THAT GUIDANCE FOR THE STORAGE. UM, AND ANY ASSOCIATED FIRE PROTECTION IS WE, WE WANT THOSE LIKE MICRO DISTILLERIES, RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE STORAGE THROUGH THIS GLASS WALL AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROCESSES AND ALL THE HAZARDOUS, UM, ACTIVITIES GOING ON WHILE YOU'RE EATING DINNER. SO WE'RE, WE'RE MIXING THOSE OCCUPANCIES, UM, WITH THE STORAGE AND THE MANUFACTURING AND NOW ASSEMBLY. SO THIS SECTION, THESE ARE REALLY GOOD TO PROVIDE THE GUIDANCE, UM, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AS THOSE HAVE BECOME MORE POPULAR. MAKES SENSE. I'LL SWITCH OVER TO THE CODE SECTION. SO YOU, YOU, THIS IS MY CORRECT, SO YOU'RE SEEING THIS OUT THERE AND NOW THESE, UM, REQUIREMENTS COME INTO PLAY. DO THOSE BUSINESSES NOW HAVE TO RETROFIT OR IS THIS JUST FOR NEW INSPECTED OCCUPANCIES? THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR NEW USES COMING ON AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN ANY OF THOSE RECENTLY. IT WAS LIKE A HUGE SPIKE IN THEM. YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE, THE, UM, DEVIL'S WHISKEY DOWNTOWN IN, IN AN EXISTING BUILDING AND, UM, SO THE, THIS IS GOOD, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH OF 'EM LATELY. UH, BUT ONLY NEW, UM, NEW BUILDS WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE, UH, HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON IT? ALL RIGHT, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, CAN I GET AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE ANYTHING? YOU CAN. 58. THAT'S JUST THERE. YEAH. OH, THERE IS, IS THIS JUST WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON? YOU DON'T MIND? NO. IT SHOWS ON HERE ALL THE WAY TO 61. WE GOT FIVE MORE MINUTES. HEY, WE CAN, WE CAN UH, TALK ABOUT CHAPTER 41. MIKE DID BRING THAT UP. THIS WAS, UM, THE, THE NEW CHAPTER. SO YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING IN BLUE. UH, THIS BRINGS, BRINGS OVER REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE IN CHAPTER THREE, CHAPTER SIX, CHAPTER 31. UM, THE LANGUAGE WAS TAKEN FROM ALL OF THESE PLACES. IT REALLY COVERS THE LISTINGS AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR MANUFACTURERS. SO WE'LL SEE A LOT OF, UM, POINTING TO MANUFACTURERS INSTALLATION OR MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTIONS. UM, ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE RELATED TO THE TEMPORARY HEATING AND COOKING OPERATIONS. THEY'RE INTENDED TO FACILITATE CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT. WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY? IT'S NOT DEFINED. UM, BUT IT IS 180 DAYS OR LESS. IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE DEFINED AS, UH, TEMPORARY. I DON'T THINK THE WORD SPECIFICALLY IS DEFINED. UH, THIS LOOKS ROCKLIN. IS IT, UH, IS IT DEFINED BY PORTABILITY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. NOT PERMANENT. YEAH. SO IF IT WASN'T PERMANENTLY PIPED OR INSTALLED, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TEMPORARY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, MATT? OKAY. DO WE NEED TO HIT THE 59 AND 60 AS FAR AS THOSE TABLES OR IS THAT PART OF THAT SAME NO, THAT'S TABLE 5,003. YES. UM, WE CAN, WE CAN STOP HERE. SO WE HAVENT PREPARED THE, THE SUMMARY OF THESE LAST FEW ITEMS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN I GET AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE 53 THROUGH 58 TO THE MOTION? AND SECOND, THIS IS COREY PALMER. I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE 53 THROUGH 58. I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND. DO I HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS LEWIS OLI. I, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, UH, APPROVE IT SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE WOULD BE ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, 58 AND WE DID MAKE NOTE OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE HOLDING TILL NEXT WEEK. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANYBODY NEGATIVE. MOTION CARRIES. [01:50:02] IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA THAT WE NEED TO COVER? UH, NO. THAT WAS IT. UM, THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSS ANY IBC UM, ITEMS AND WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT TODAY. UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT IF THERE'S, UM, ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT WE WANNA BRING FORWARD, AGAIN, AFTER YOU HAVE MORE DISCUSSION OR, OR MORE RESEARCH OR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO DO THAT. UM, LIKE JOSEPH MENTIONED, THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO COVER THE IFC OR THE IABC, UM, IN ITS IN ITS ENTIRETY. ALRIGHT, UM, REMEMBER NEXT WEEK WE WILL HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING. I WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND, I BELIEVE. MIKE, ARE YOU? UH, IF YOU'RE HERE, UH, HE'LL BE CHAIRING NEXT WEEK. UM, WE JUST NEED FIVE AT LEAST FOR NEXT WEEK. SO, UH, IF Y'ALL CAN LOOK FOR THAT, MAKE SURE WE CAN, UH, GET THE NEW ITEMS SENT TO US. UH, WE CAN HAVE THAT REVIEWED. AND IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN, UH, I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW. I'LL, UH, CONTACT KAREN AND LET HER KNOW THE ITEMS, UH, SO SHE'S PREPARED, UH, FOR THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. COREY PALMER. SECOND. SECOND, MIKE RUSH. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN AT 10 59. THANK YOU GUYS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.