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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16TH, 2024.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO SINO.
MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THE HISTORIC DESIGNER REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR JEFF FEER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ANNOUNCEMENTS, SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2ND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR MEETING MINUTES PLEASE? YES.
UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 2ND, 2024.
SECOND MAYOR, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.UM, IF YOU CAN KIND OF SQUINT AND MAKE OUT, WE HAVE ABOUT 10 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL BE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, SO WE'LL JUST PLAY THE VOICEMAILS WE HAVE FOR THE ITEMS SHOWN ABOVE.
THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO REGARDING ITEM NUMBER ONE, EAST MARKET STREET AT HEMISPHERE PARK.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AT THE NORTH END OF HEMIS FAIR PARK, THE MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORNER FOR VISITORS TO OUR CITY.
WHILE THE HOTEL ON ALAMO STREET REFLECTS THE CITY'S EARLIEST SKYSCRAPERS AND ITS DESIGN AND ENCOURAGES VIEWS INTO HEMIS SQUARE PARK, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS CLUMSY AND PLAIN WITH MASSING THAT BLOCKS VIEWS INTO HEMS FAIR PARK, THE UDC AND DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
APPENDIX G DIVISION ONE STATES DESIGN EXCELLENCE IS THE FOUNDATION OF SUCCESSFUL AND HEALTHY COMMUNITIES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD RESPECT HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT DISTRICTS AND BUILDINGS ENCOURAGING INNOVATIVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT EXPRESSES THE IDENTITY AND AUTHENTICITY OF AN URBAN SAN ANTONIO AIM FOR A TIMELESS DESIGN AND EMPLOYS SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS AND CAREFUL DETAILING THAT HAVE PROVEN LONGEVITY.
THIS PROJECT FALLS SHORT OF THE UD C'S OBJECTIVE OF DELIVERING HIGH QUALITY, CONTEXTUALLY SENSITIVE DESIGN.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT MISSES THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELATE TO THE NEW CIVIC PARK
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BY FAILING TO ARTICULATE STEP BACK THE FACADE.AND BY NOT INCORPORATING THE APPROPRIATELY SCALED, COMFORTABLE OUTDOOR SPACES ON THE UPPER LEVELS, STRENGTHENING THE CONNECTION TO THE ACTIVE SPACES IN THE PARK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THE BUILDING'S BLAND AND INSTITUTIONAL DESIGN REFLECTS POORLY ON THE CITY'S CULTURE AND DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPES, THE DESIGN DOES NOT REFLECT THE RICH ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL LEGACY OF DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO.
THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 2 1 41 LAVACCA STREET.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE FOR THE PROJECT AS CESAR CHAVEZ, ALAMO LAVACCA AND MATAGORDA STREETS, WHICH REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO SUBMIT DETAILED PLANS FOR THE DECONSTRUCTION AND REASSEMBLY OF THE MUNCH P*****K HOUSE AND ITS RELOCATION FROM THE SITE.
WE WOULD EXPECT A FULL AND FINAL RECONSTRUCTION PLAN, INCLUDING A PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR RECONSTRUCTION TO BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO ANY WORK TAKING PLACE ON THE SITE.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A REHABILITATION PLAN FOR THE HISTORIC SCHOOL BUILDING ON LAVACCA STREET AT THE TIME OF FINAL APPROVAL.
I WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR APPROVAL OF HDRC CASE 2 0 2 4 3 2 1 2 9 AT 1 4 1 LAVACCA STREET.
I'M A RESIDENT AT 1 2 6 BRE STREET IN LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND IN MY OPINION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS AS SENSITIVE, UH, IN ITS TRANSITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL FITTING THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE SOUTH ALAMO AND CAESAR CHAVEZ FRONTS DESERVE.
AND I THINK THAT OXBOW HAS A GREAT REPUTATION FOR QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY MEETS OR EXCEEDS WHAT THEY PROPOSE IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO SOME, UH, DEVELOPERS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE ACTIVE ON THAT SITE.
AND THE MIXED USE NATURE OF THE PROJECT SHOULD BE A BOOST TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF OUR, SOME OF OUR SMALLER RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE FURTHER SOUTH ON ALAMO PRESTON ST.
UH, SO IN SHORT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BOOST TO OUR END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK A GOOD THING FOR THE AREA OVERALL.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE 20 24 3 5 2 11 0 3 CINCINNATI AVE.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF A CLARIFICATION AND ONE STIPULATION.
THE TEXT ON THE PLAQUE HAS A TYPO AND STATES WLA, IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED TO STATE WLCA TO PROVIDE CORRECT REFERENCE TO THE WOODLAWN LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
ALSO, WE ASK THE CITY'S PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO EXPAND THE CONCRETE BASE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BENCH FOR WHEELCHAIR AND STROLLER ACCOMMODATIONS.
WE NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO TREES ADJACENT TO THE BENCH AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, THE CITY WILL BEGIN PLANTING OVER 400 ADDITIONAL TREES IN WOODLAWN LAKE PARK IN THE COMING MONTHS, AND TREES MAY BE APPROPRIATELY ADDED IN THE VICINITY.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE 2024 DASH 3 29 2 1 2 7 WEST WOODLAWN.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE THANK THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR OVERCOMING THE CHALLENGES TO BUILDING WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND COMPLETELY REVISING THEIR INITIAL PLANS TO MEET THE UDC CODE AND FEMA REGULATIONS.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.
THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS THAT WE HAVE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE PACKETS OR THERE ARE LETTERS ON YOUR DESKTOPS.
UH, FOR A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, DO ANY COMMISSIONS, MR. POLL, ANY ITEMS? I'LL POLL NUMBER ONE.
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.I LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR FETCHER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT IT BEING PULLED IF THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS THAT WISH TO BE PULLED.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH 10 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, ITS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 41 LA VACA, 5 0 2 NAVARRO, 2 2 1 NEWELL 3 0 7 PEARL PARKWAY, TWO 14 LOTUS 3 32, FLORIDA 1103 CINCINNATI, 2127 WEST WOODLAWN, AND 1223 VIRGINIA.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU AT THE 10 DAYS AND COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL NOW PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FILE AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE AND THE APPLICANT, UH, MIKE BLAW IS HERE IN PERSON.
UH, THE, UH, DEVELOPER, UH, JOHN TROOP IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
SO MIKE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE PODIUM, UM, YOU CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, AND THEN GREG AND JOHN, I HAVE YOU AS PANELISTS, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER ANYTHING.
PLEASE, UM, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MIKE, IS THE MICROPHONE? OKAY.
UM, MY NAME IS MIKE BRECK LAW.
I'M A PRINCIPAL AND DESIGN DIRECTOR WITH FITZGERALD ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS.
FIRST ONE, UH, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE COMMENTS MADE ON THE, UM, VOICEMAIL, THE PHONE CALL THAT WE HEARD EARLIER TODAY? UH, THE LETTER FROM THE CONVERSA, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE FEEL THAT THE DESIGN AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS RECALL, THE VERY FIRST SUBMISSION, UM, TO HDRC WAS A HIGH RISE.
29 STORIES, UH, ON A PARKING PODIUM, UH, THAT, UM, FINANCIALLY AND FROM, UH, EQUITY PARTNERS AND THE FINANCIAL WORLD JUST DIDN'T FLY.
IT REQUIRED A MUCH HIGHER RENT.
SO WE REVISITED THE PROJECT STILL WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT'S DEFINED BY THE UDC FOR D ONE AND D TWO, UH, AND WORKED WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING WITHIN IT.
UM, SO IT ALIGNS WITH THE PRINCIPLES AND THE SORT OF THE GOALS OF THE UDC GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF, UH, VIEWS FROM SOURCE PLAZA, THE PASSE, UH, I THINK THE, THE, ACTUALLY THE ONE, UH, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO THIS OVER THE, UH, TOWER SCHEME IS THAT ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE APARTMENTS ON 'EM.
SO IN THE VERY EARLIEST DESIGN, IT WAS A PARKING DECK.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S FACING THE PARK, AND WE'VE DELIBERATELY SORT OF INVESTED IN THE, UH, PARK FACE OF THE BUILDING.
SO A LOT MORE MODELING, A LOT MORE SHAPING OF THE FACADE.
THERE ARE BALCONIES ON ALL OF THE UNITS FACING THE PARK, SO THERE'S INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO BRING THE RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE SORT OF WITH REAL ACTIVITY ON THE PARK.
THE SAME IS TRUE ON SOURCE PLAZA.
UM, THE PASSE AND THAT VIEW CORRIDOR HAS GOTTEN WIDER THAN THE ORIGINAL UDC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL AMENITIES ARE INTERNALLY BRIDGES ACROSS, UH, THE PASSE TO THE ROOF OF D ONE WHERE THERE'S AN AMENITY DECK FOR THE RESIDENTS AT THAT LEVEL.
SO A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UM, AT THAT SPACE AS WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE AND THE CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THE BUILDING IS THAT IT'S GOT ON THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL, ON THE GROUND FLOOR, EVERYTHING IS A FRONT DOOR, THE OUTSIDE OF A SMALL LOADING DOCK.
AND, AND THE MOTOR COURT, IT'S FOUR, IT'S FOUR FRONT SIDES TO THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, THE MASONRY DETAILING AND THE STONE DETAILING AT THE GROUND FLOOR, AS WELL AS GOING DOWN TO THE, UM, UH, RIVER WALK, UH, WHERE WE'VE RECREATED THE STAIR COMING DOWN OFF OF MARKET STREET.
UH, THE D ONE BUILDING HAS, UH, WILL HAVE, UH, FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATORS BOTH AT THE MARKET STREET LEVEL AND THE RIVER STREET
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LEVEL.UM, SORT OF INVESTED A GREAT DEAL IN, UH, SORT OF MAKING THAT ENTIRE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, UH, A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
UM, IF, UM, I'LL GO BACK TO THE, I THINK ON THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL, JUST TO HIGH HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, WELL, THIS WAS, UM, IN THE, IN THE ARCADE.
UH, SO WE'RE SEEING THE, UM, UH, THE MARKET STREET ARCADE AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT INVESTING IN SORT OF MASONRY DETAILING, AND THESE ARE RENDERINGS, BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SORT OF WORK WITH SORT OF RELIEF AND PLAYING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE STONE.
SO THERE'LL BE A STONE AND BRICK, UH, A BRICK WITH A LOT OF RANGE THAT'S VERY SORT OF COMFORTABLE IN THIS SORT OF, UH, SAN ANTONIO PALETTE.
UM, AND IN A BROAD AREA THAT'S A GENEROUS CLOSE TO AN 18 FOOT CEILING ALONG MARKET STREET WITHIN THE ARCADE AND GENEROUS STOREFRONTS FOR THE RETAIL AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, WE'VE, UM, ON SOURCE PLAZA, LIKEWISE, UM, THERE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, CANOPIES AND SO FORTH TO ESTABLISH THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND PEDESTRIAN DETAIL.
UH, IN TERMS OF, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT MATERIAL.
WE'VE TALKED TO BOTH THE, UM, THE CONTRACTORS FOR THE HOTEL, THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE HOTEL.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STUCCO AND THE APPROPRIATE, BOTH FROM A BUILDING SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW, THE RIGHT PRODUCT, THE RIGHT WAY OF DETAILING THAT WE, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON UNDERSTANDING OF BUILDING SCIENCE.
AND SO IT'S A, UM, IDENTICAL SORT OF, UH, PRODUCT AND SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE, UH, WHERE THERE WILL BE STUCCO ON THE UPPER FLOORS OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE STUCCO DOESN'T START TILL 30 FEET ABOVE GRADE AT THE THIRD LEVEL, AND IT'LL HAVE A VARIETY OF BOTH COLORS AND RELIEF, AND THE WINDOWS WILL BE RELIEF IN THAT.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED, I'VE LOOKED A LOT AT VARIOUS SORT OF, UH, STUCCO FINISHES THAT ARE SORT OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AROUND TEXAS AND SAN ANTONIO.
AND, UM, THE ONE IMAGE AT THE TOP RIGHT IN THE SCREEN, IT'S A, IT'S CALLED A SKIP TRIAL FINISH.
IF THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM A BUILDING, I THINK IT'S, UH, NOT TOO FAR FROM THE ARTS DISTRICT, BUT IT HAS A, A REAL NATURAL HANDMADE FINISH TO IT.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, UM, DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE, THE CORE SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT THE COURSE, BUT IN THE OVERALL FACADE OF THE UPPER FLOORS, THERE'LL BE A, UM, STRONG DETAILING TO THE CONTROL JOINTS AND ADDITIONAL JOINTS THAT HELP TO, YOU KNOW, REFINE THAT AND GIVE IT A REALLY INTERESTING KIND OF GRID OF, UM, ACTIVITY ALONG THAT FACE.
UM, OTHER, IF I WANTED TO GO TO THE, UM, MOTOR COURT, THAT PLAN VIEW IN PLAN VIEW, WE'VE, UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, PRELIMINARY SUBMISSION OF THIS STRATEGY, THE MOTOR COURT HAD BROADER CURB CUTS.
WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE MOTOR COURT IS WORKING, UH, FROM A PEDESTRIAN POINT OF VIEW.
SO THERE ARE TWO LANES OF ONE LANE OF ENTRY, ONE LANE OF EXIT, SO THAT A PEDESTRIAN WALKING DOWN MARKET STREET, UH, HAS A GOOD, YOU KNOW, A GOOD BREADTH OF SAFETY TO WALK ALONG THAT SPACE.
UH, AGAIN, THE PASSE IN THE ORIGINAL UDC, SOME OF THE UDC AND MASTER PLAN GUIDELINES WAS FAIRLY THIN APPROACHING 18 TO 20 FEET.
THIS IS APPROACHING 50 FEET, SO A REALLY SORT OF GRACIOUS ENTRANCE OFF OF MARKET STREET AND FROM ACROSS MARKET STREET INTO THE PARK AS A WHOLE.
UM, AND, UM, KIND OF SO THE, AND BROUGHT, I MAY HAVE GONE BEYOND THE LETTER, BUT I THINK THE, THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN WE'VE WORKED WITH BOTH LOOKING AT THE UDC MASTER PLAN, THE GUIDELINES, THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, UH, MATERIALITY AND SO FORTH AS WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE, IN THE AREA.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD, A RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT HERE TO THE, I THINK SOUTH WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY MET WITH, YOU KNOW, SMALL.
WE'VE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WITH THE, UH, HEMISPHERE PARK AND TALKING WITH SORT OF, AND, UH, LOOKED AT, WE WORKED WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE DOING THE PARK, UNDERSTANDING THE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE QUARRY THEY'RE GETTING THEIR STONE FROM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING THIS, YOU KNOW, USING THE SAME QUARRY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE FINISHES THAT THEY'VE USED BOTH ON THE GROUND PLANE AND VERTICALLY WHERE THEY HAVE THE SMALL, UM, UM, UM, THE RESTROOM FACILITY OKAY.
AND SORT OF FINDING THINGS TO BE COHESIVE WITH IT THAT, AND ALSO TALKED WITH, UH, ZACHARY AND THE HOTEL DESIGNERS TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE CONNECTIONS.
QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS?
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I HAVE A QUESTION.UM, DO YOU AGREE TO ALL STIPULATIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATION? UH, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE'VE HAD MASONRY, UH, AND STONE DETAILING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP TO THE, BASICALLY THE UNDERSIDE OF THE THIRD FLOOR, THE UPPER FLOORS OF THE BUILDINGS.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WAS TO EXPLORE CONTINUED USE OF MASONRY ALL THE WAY UP THE, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED HARD WITH OUR CONTRACTOR AND THE DEVELOPER, AND WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PALLET OF MATERIALS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT.
UH, MY QUESTION ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE FACADE.
SO YOU, YOU DO ACCEPT THE, OR YOUR FIRM IS ACCEPTING THE STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE STUCCO? YES, AND ABSOLUTELY.
IN TERMS OF THE CALIBER AND THE APPROACH TO THE STUCCO AND USING, UM, KIND OF WORKING WITH THE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN, IT'S A CUSTOM PROFILE FINISH SYSTEM, A SIMILAR SYSTEM THAT ZACHARY'S USING ON THE HOTEL.
UH, SORT OF SAME CALIBER, SAME QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION.
COULD YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE SKIP TRIAL AND THE, THE ROUGH FINISH.
AND FROM, AS I'M READING THE STIPULATIONS FROM EDWARD, UM, A TRADITIONAL STUCCO TRIAL FINISH IS REQUIRED SO THAT YEAH, AND I, I THINK THE, THE ROUGH FINISH THAT, UH, WAS IN THE STIPULATIONS, WE'RE NOT GONNA PURSUE THAT.
BUT THE, THE SKIP TRIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS A, THAT'S JUST KIND OF ONE OF THE TERMS OF ART THAT STUCCO FINISHERS USE.
THAT IS AN, THAT IS KIND OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE INSTALLATION.
AND IT, AND I, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY LOOKING AROUND AT A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND LOOKING KIND OF AT, SINCE WHAT GETS THAT, IT HAS A REAL, YOU CAN TELL IT'S HANDMADE, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE CRAFTSMAN LIKE, OR KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SMALL SCALE, REAL PSYCHO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH, UM, THE SUBCONTRACTORS AND THE FABRICATORS TO DUPLICATE.
AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION REFERRING TO THE LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THERE'S A COMMENT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELATE TO THE NEW, NEW CIVIC PARK, UM, NOT INCORPORATING APPROPRIATELY SCALED, COMFORTABLE OUTDOOR SPACES ON THE UPPER LEVELS.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BALCONY, THE OPEN BALCONIES, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT IS BEING REFERRED TO THE OPEN BALCONIES ON THE FA ON THE SOUTH FACE? MM-HMM.
THEY'RE PROBABLY, UH, CLOSER TO EIGHT FEET.
SOME OF THEM VARY AS YOU KIND OF WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THE CORNER, BUT COMFORTABLE, THEY, THEY, THEY NEED TO MEET ALL SORTS OF ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES.
UH, SO THEY'RE BROAD ENOUGH FOR THAT, BUT ALSO COMFORTABLE THAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE, UM, A SMALL CAFE TABLE IF THEY'D LIKE, OR OTHER FURNITURE.
THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL BALCONIES.
THESE ARE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE BUILDING.
UH, THE, UH, AMENITY DECK ON TOP OF D ONE IS LIKEWISE FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS AT, AS IT'S PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AT THE RIVER LEVEL, THE, THERE IS SOME AREA AROUND THE BUILDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THO THAT, UM, UH, THOSE FOOD AND BEVERAGE WILL, WILL CONNECT TO AND ADDRESS.
THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
YES, I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST, JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I KIND OF AGREE WITH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT HERE.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS.
I JUST THINK IT LOOKS KIND OF QUOTING FROM WHAT THE, UH, VOICEMAIL SAID.
IT DOES LOOK KIND OF UTILITARIAN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, IT ALL THE, ALL THE BALCONIES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
THERE'S, I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A, IT, IT IS A BIG BUILDING.
AS, AS ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK WITH SORT OF TRYING TO BALANCE THAT BUILDING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT AS WELL.
WE FEEL THAT IT'S, WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THE SCALE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT NEEDS TO, AT THE STREET LEVEL, AT THE KIND OF TOUCHABLE LEVEL AT WHEN SOMEONE'S WALKING THROUGH THE ARCADE OR WALKING ALONG THE PARK ON THE PARK FACE.
UM, AND WE'VE BROKEN DOWN BY, UH, JUST SHIFTING PLANES OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE MARKET STREET FACE.
IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO SORT OF THREE OR FOUR MODULES, UH, SET BACK FROM MARKET STREET, UH, TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THE, THE CIVIC PARK IS A BIG CIVIC PARK WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
WE FEEL WE, WE REALLY LIKE HOW IT ADDRESSES AND ENGAGES THE PARK.
YEAH, IT DEFINITELY HAS, HAS A CHARACTER.
AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A VERY FUNCTIONAL UTILITARIAN
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DESIGN.I, FROM CERTAIN ANGLES THOUGH, AND IT MIGHT JUST BE THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, I DO GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT EAST BERLIN, YOU KNOW.
OH, WELL, EARLY NINETIES, EAST BERLIN STANDPOINT.
I DON'T WANT TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP, BUT I JUST, JUST KIND NO, I UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR DIRECTION.
THERE'S, I JUST KIND OF, IF YOU'RE, AS YOU PROGRESS, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT DONE TILL IT'S DONE.
UM, I WAS ON A RECENT DRC WITH THE APPLICANTS, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT WE HAD WAS THE, UH, THE MARKET STREET FACADE OF THE D ONE, THE SMALLER BUILDING.
AND, UH, SINCE THAT DRC, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
UH, PREVIOUSLY IT HAD BEEN, UH, PRETTY MUCH OF A BIG BLANK WALL, UH, AND THEY'VE ADDED SOME LARGE, UH, STOREFRONT WINDOWS, THE, THE STONE.
AND I THINK THEY'VE, UM, WORKING WITH THOSE, UH, VERY TACTILE MATERIALS ALONG THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAYS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK, UH, ADDS TO ITS PEDESTRIAN, UH, NATURE.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
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11, PLEASE.CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 4 1 634 CEDAR STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
INSTALL A METAL CARPORT, THREE FRONT PORCH, STEP MODIFICATIONS.
FOUR, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL LOUVERED WOOD PICKET FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH.
INSTALL BRICK PLANTER RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D.
IF THE HT C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE SHALL APPLY.
IF THE HT C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE CARPORT FEATURES WOULD POST IN BEAMS IN BLUE OF THE PROPOSED DEAL POST IN BEAMS. THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH.
STEP MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING F.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED, OR THAT THE, SORRY, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HGRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UUDC SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.
AND ITEM FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BRICK PLANNER INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING H THE APPLICANT'S VICTORIA GO AND ALEX GARCIA ARE HERE IN PERSON.
THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
CAN YOU, UM, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.
I'M LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REPRESENTING LUSH GREENSCAPE DESIGN.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE HONORED TO BE WORKING IN KING WILLIAMS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, WE WANNA TAKE THIS DESIGN AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP BEAUTIFY AND ENHANCE THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD, CELEBRATING ITS RICH, RICH CULTURE AND HISTORY.
UM, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE WOOD FENCE, BUT WE WOULD FIRST LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UH, THE DEMO APPROVAL AND STIPULATION, AND THEN ITEM FIVE ABOUT THE PLANTER'S.
AND LASTLY, IF WE HAVE TIME ITEM THREE, THE STILL RISERS AT THE FRONT.
UM, SO ITEM ONE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUSH FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE DEMO REQUEST OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR TWO MAIN REASONS.
UH, FIRST, THE LOSS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE.
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AND SECONDLY, THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT WOULD BE PUT ON THE HOMEOWNERS ALEX AND MARLA GARCIA.UM, AND SO TO MY FIRST POINT, WE THINK THE DAMAGE IS IRREVERSIBLY UNREASONABLE.
ANYTHING COULD BE UNDONE OR REPAIRED, BUT AT SOME POINT IT'S UNREASONABLE, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS A FINANCIAL CLAUSE IN THIS.
AND YOUR FINDINGS AGREED THAT THE MONEY REQUIRED TO REPAIR IT WOULD IMPOSE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, AND THAT'S ON THE LAST PAGE WE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE EVALUATION.
UM, THE WORK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO REVERSE THE DAMAGE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A REPAIR IN, IN OUR REGARDS BASED ON GENERAL LAND USE AND ZONING STATUTES IN SAN ANTONIO UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, ANYTHING REPAIRED MORE THAN 50% OF A STRUCTURE IS THEN EFFECTIVELY DEEMED AS A NEW STRUCTURE RATHER THAN JUST A REPAIR.
AND THUS WOULD BE A DEMOLITION.
I CAN'T JUSTIFY MAKING THE HOME HOMEOWNER SPEND UPWARDS OF 70,000 TO PRESERVE A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE THAT'S LOST.
WE WOULD BE MAKING ALEX AND MARLA TAKE A HUGE PORTION AWAY FROM THIS BUDGET TO PUT TOWARDS THE COST OF REPAIR.
THIS RESTORATION ADDS NOT MUCH VALUE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE PUBLIC CAN'T ENJOY IT OR BARELY EVEN SEE IT FROM THE STREET FRONTAGE.
AND ALLEN MARLA COULD BE ALLOCATING THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE PUBLIC BY BEAUTIFYING THE BLOCK WITH THE WOOD PICKET FENCE AND SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPING CREATING MORE CURB APPEAL.
ALL IN ALL, THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIX IT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO REPAIR WHAT IS DONE.
WE'D RATHER ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS TOWARDS BEAUTIFYING THE STREET FRONTAGE WHERE IT COULD ADD MORE VALUE FOR THE KING WILLIAMS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THEN ITEM TWO, THAT IS ABOUT THE STIPULATION.
UM, IF THE DEIR REQUEST COULD BE APPROVED, WE WILL ADHERE TO THE STIPULATION TO USE THE WOOD BEAMS AND POSTS.
BUT WE DO THINK STEEL POSTS AND BEAMS WOULD BE MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND, UH, WITH THE CLAY SUBGRADE, LESS MAINTENANCE OVER TIME.
UH, IT MATCHES WITH THE WINDOW SILLS OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN RECONSIDER? OR IF NOT, IF THE DEMO REQUEST IS APPROVED, WE WILL USE WOOD, UH, POST AND BEAMS. UM, AND THEN ALSO IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE THE RESUBMIT DOCUMENTS FOR APPROVAL TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE HDRC AGAIN? UM, WE ARE JUST FINDING WAYS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN START INSTALL SOON.
WELL, AND I CAN ANSWER THAT IF THERE'S ANY OVER HERE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, UH, POTENTIALLY TO THE DESIGN AS A RESULT OF TODAY'S ACTION BY THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE UPDATES TO THE DRAWINGS.
THOSE COULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND THEN ITEM THREE, UH, ABOUT THE BRICK PLANTERS.
I THINK THAT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT DETAIL THERE.
UM, WE WANTED TO CREATE A DESIGN THAT FITS WITHIN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE MATERIALITY, UM, THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN THE ARCHITECTURE AND ALSO BLENDED INTO THE LANDSCAPE.
SO THERE'S A BIT OF TRANSITION.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING BRICK CHIMNEY, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL TO TAKE FROM AND USE IT THROUGHOUT THE SITE SO THAT IT'S COMPLIMENTARY.
UM, AND WE ALSO THINK IT IS A, A MATERIAL THAT WAS A PART OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE ERA.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO TIE INTO THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.
UH, WE HAVE SOME BRICK DRIVEWAY BANDS.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE SAYING, ARE THERE NO PLANTERS OF ANY KIND ALLOWED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL? UH, IF, IF THERE ARE ANY PLANTERS ALLOWED, UM, WE DID DEEM BRICK AS THE MOST ELEGANT FITTING AND APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR THESE PLANTERS AT THE FRONT.
UH, THERE'D BE PLANTS IN FRONT OF IT, SO IT, IT WOULDN'T BE THIS STARK LIKE BRICK KIND OF FACADE THAT YOU WOULD SEE.
UM, AND THEN ITEM FIVE ON THE LEFT BOTTOM LEFT OF THIS PAGE, UM, THESE ARE SOME STILL RISERS AT THE VERY FRONT ENTRY.
AND THE EXISTING CONCRETE STEPS WILL REMAIN PRESERVED AS IS.
UH, IT DOES HAVE THAT CURVED EFFECT RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT IS EXISTING.
WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING TO ADD A EIGHTH INCH STEEL PLATE FAST INTO THE CONCRETE RISERS.
UM, THE STILL EDGING WILL BE ALSO BE USED FOR PLANT BEDS THROUGHOUT.
WE WANTED TO BRING THIS MATERIAL TO THE FRONT TO CREATE A COHOS COHESIVE MATERIAL PALETTE THROUGHOUT.
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MATERIAL AS A DYNAMIC CONTRAST AND VISUAL ENTRANCE TO THE FRONT ENTRY.AND THAT IS ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
UM, DO ANY VOICEMAILS PLEASE? MY NAME IS LISA LYNN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY REGARDING 6 3 4 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 4 1.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS OF WORK.
PROPOSED ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE RECOMMEND THAT IF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS APPROVED, THAT THE MATERIALS ARE SALVAGED AND REUSED ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CARDBOARD OR GARAGE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IF DEMOLITION IS APPROVED AND A NEW CARDBOARD IS ALLOWED, IT BE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED WITH WOOD MATERIALS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, BE AGREE WITH STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE FRONT PORCH STEPS BE MODIFIED.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE IS A VERY INTERESTING DESIGN, IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE OR APPROPRIATE WITH THE 1924 CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME.
IF THIS FENCE DESIGN IS ALLOWED, IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY AND SET A VERY UNDESIRED PRECEDENT FOR NEW FENCES IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED FENCE DESIGN BE APPROVED.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE AGREE WITH STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ADDING THE BRICK PLANTER BOXES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY TOO WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC HOME AND ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE GUIDELINES.
IN GENERAL, THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW MASON RE MATERIALS IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS THAT WE HAVE.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
HAS THERE BEEN SITE VISIT TO SEE THE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR STAFF? THERE'S NO PICTURES OF THE INSIDE PERMITTED.
UM, THE CASE MANAGER IS RACHEL, AND RACHEL IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HERE.
AND I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S BEEN OUT.
UM, THE LAST I WE, THE PAST COUPLE, LIKE, LIKE THREE WEEKS.
WE'VE HAD NOT MUCH COMMUNICATION BECAUSE SHE SAID SHE WAS OUT ON LEAVE.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T REALLY GET MUCH FEEDBACK FROM HER.
SO, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE INSIDE.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE FOUNDATION? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, THE FOUNDATION IS, IT'S PRETTY DAMAGED.
WHEN I TALKED TO OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT PUT TOGETHER THE, THE DEMO REPORT THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOCUMENT, UM, HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO RE POUR THE FOUNDATION AND ALSO SHIFT IT A BIT BECAUSE THE REST OF THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE ALIGNED WITH IT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE, RIGHT? ONE IS, LET'S JUST FIRST DO STEP NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS MM-HMM.
LIKE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HOW MUCH OF AN INTEGRITY.
AND THEN IF WE DEMOLISH, SOMETIMES WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT CAN THE DESIGN BE SIMILAR TO WHAT EXISTED, RIGHT? WE WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TRIBUTE TO WHAT WAS THEIR EXISTING 'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE A LONG TIME AGO.
SO YOUR DESIGN MIGHT NEED SOME CHANGES THERE TOO.
SO I DON'T WANNA LIKE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE A CONVERSATION FURTHER DOWN.
AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE STAFF, BECAUSE NORMALLY WE DON'T APPROVE A FRONT FENCE WHERE THERE'S NON-EXISTING.
IS THERE AN FRONT FENCE EXISTING? OR WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THAT? THE GUIDELINES ARE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE WHEN THEY ARE PART OF THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT.
AND THEY ARE FOUND IN KING WILLIAM HISTORICALLY AND ON THE STREET.
AND SO, UM, WE DO THINK OF FRONT YARD FENCE IS APPROPRIATE HERE, GIVEN THE CONTEXT.
UM, I THINK THE SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT DESIGN.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE STANDARDS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT LOOKS MODERN VERSUS NOT MODERN.
UM, BUT WE DO ABOUT MATERIALS AND SO IT IS A WOOD FENCE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, UM, THE DESIGN IS SOMETHING THAT CAN VERY MUCH BE DISCUSSED HERE AS WELL.
BUT I MEAN, WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE UD PURVIEW, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST THE MATERIAL, THE HEIGHT AND THE LOCATION.
I MEAN IT, YEAH, I WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU DO HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE DESIGN.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE VERY HARD AND STRICT STANDARDS THAT SAY HERE'S WHAT THE FENCE DESIGN MUST BE TO BE APPROVED.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE STANDARDS ABOUT, NOT STANDARDS, BUT THERE'S GUIDELINES THAT SPEAK TO, UM, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE STRUCTURE ON WHICH THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IT SHARES.
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AND SO USUALLY THAT'S MEANING IF IT'S LIKE A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE WOULD MAKE SENSE.IF IT'S A VICTORIAN HOUSE, THEN WROUGHT IRON MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
UM, NO MORE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON HERE.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT, UM, WE, UM, WELL I DO, UH, REQUEST A DRC.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT THIS CASE BE CONTINUED, UM, AND TO THE NEXT HEARING.
AND BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, UM, SCHEDULE A DRC SITE VISIT, SECOND SPIN MOVED, AND PROPERLY SECOND AND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
FIRST OF ALL, SORRY ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO WORD THAT CORRECTLY.
UM, BUT THE INTENT IS THERE, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE.
THERE'S THE DESIGN OF JUST THE SITE, THERE'S THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THERE'S THE HISTORIC PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE STEPS.
I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE THE, UM, UH, ACCESSORY UNIT ALSO.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING IF I MAY.
AND, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINA HAS A RIGHT.
SO SITE VISIT I THINK IS IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE WE WANNA SEE THE CONDITIONS OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S DEMOLISH WILL BE DICTATING THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
AND EVERY HOME HAS SO MUCH CHARACTER AND SIGNIFICANCE.
SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, IT'S NOT ABOUT DESIGN, IT'S MORE ABOUT IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR CARPORT DESIGN, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S NOT PRETTY, BUT THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES.
AND BECAUSE IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE, LIKE THE HISTORIC HOME, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY, THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME DESIGN CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE BASED ON THE COMMENTS BOTH FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND FROM STAFF, JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE.
BUT I THINK THOSE CAN ALSO BE DISCUSSED INFORMALLY AT THE DRC MEETING.
COMMISSIONER FETZER? YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, COMING OUT AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, LOOKING AT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, LOOKING AT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF, UH, MATERIALS AND, UH, CONTEXT.
I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO, TO GET OUT TO THE SITE.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? S AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 26 5 17.
WIX, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND, AND CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF A REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE.
HELLO, I'M STEPHANIE FLORES AND I AM THE OWNER.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.
THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE SHALL APPLY.
ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAT REPLACEMENT PLANS AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS SMALLER IN SCALE AND PROVIDES FOR GREATER BUILDING AND SEPARATION.
THE APPLICANT, STEPHANIE FLORES, IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
AND IF YOU WANNA WALK THE COMMISSIONER THROUGH YOUR PROJECT, YOU HAVE 12 MINUTES.
UM, FOR YOUR, FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THAT YOU COULD PRESENT YOUR CASE.
AND THEN WHAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION? I AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.
SO I AM REQUESTING TO KNOCK DOWN THE DILAPIDATED GARAGE AND THEN REBUILD THE GARAGE WITH THE GUITA ON TOP OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WHAT'S ANOTHER WORD FOR GUITA? UH, LIKE A LITTLE APARTMENT ON TOP.
UM, AND SO WE RECENTLY ACTUALLY MOVED INTO THE HOUSE IN MARCH.
WE, IT WAS A WHOLE YEAR OF, UH, REMODELING.
AND NOW THAT WE ARE IN THE HOUSE, THIS IS OUR NEXT PROJECT AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOCK IT DOWN
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AND THROW MY 20-YEAR-OLD IN THE APARTMENT IN THE BACK.STRATEGICALLY THOUGH, LONG-TERM, I SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT I CAN OFFER AS AN INCENTIVE TO A, A CAREGIVER.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD WITH CEREBRAL PALSY AND SO CAREGIVERS ARE HARD TO FIND.
SO I SEE THAT AS SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE IN THE FUTURE IF WE EVER GET REALLY DESPERATE WHERE I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LIVE WITH US AND WHILE YOU TAKE CARE OF MY ADULT CHILD.
SO, SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, THE PICTURES SHOW THAT THEY'RE, THE FOUNDATION IS PRETTY DAMAGED, BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THEY DO, THEY WERE OKAY WITH KNOCKING DOWN THE GARAGE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, LET ME GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, UM, BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.
UM, HOWEVER THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE WILL APPLY, UM, IF APPROVED AT THE, BY THE HDRC.
SO THEN ORIGINALLY CAN YOU GO TO THE PAGE WHICH SHOWED THE, I REQUESTED THAT THE GARAGE BE LEFT WHERE IT'S AT AND THEN GO, WELL ACTUALLY BE PUSHED BACK AND GO UP AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DECLINED 'CAUSE IT'S TOO BIG OF A FOOTPRINT.
SO THEN I SUBMITTED MORE PICTURES ON BASED ON THE ASKS FOR A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
SO BRIAN, CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE SITE PLAN? I GUESS I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE, THE RIGHT VERSION.
UM, WHEN DID YOU SEND THOSE IN, MA'AM? I SENT THEM, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT DAY I SENT THEM TO BRIAN IN THE LATE FOLDER, BRIAN.
OKAY, WE'LL GET THOSE IN A SECOND.
AND I DON'T SEE THE, THE, THE FLOOR PLAN THAT I RECOM THAT I SUBMITTED.
SO THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION IS PAGE THREE.
SO THE BIGGEST THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE WHOLE BACKYARD FROM THE HOUSE TO THE END OF THE FENCE, IT'S ONLY 26 FEET.
SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE BACK FENCE OR THAT SURVEY LINE.
AND ORIGINALLY I WANTED ALL OF UPSTAIRS TO BE A SECOND FLOOR.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S TOO BIG.
SO NOW IF YOU GO TO PAGE ONE, MY CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDED, WE JUST DO IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THE HOUSE AND THERE WOULD BE NOTHING OVER THE GARAGE.
WE WOULD STICK TO THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS 26.2 AND THEN MAKE IT TWO STORY.
SO THAT'S MY CONTRACTOR'S RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IT MA'AM, I MEAN IF Y'ALL DON'T LIKE THAT ONE, THEN PAGE TWO PLEASE.
BUT THEN IT WOULD BE PUSHED BACK AND THERE WOULD BE EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THIS A DU AND THAT'S IT.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD USE ALL THE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS OF WOOD AND MATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR QUESTION.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE AND A NEW STRUCTURE IS BUILT BACK THERE, THEN, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ALL PROPERTY SETBACKS WILL NEED TO APPLY TO THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHICH MEANS WHATEVER THE REAR SETBACK IS WOULD NEED TO COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF YOUR DESIGN AND LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, WHEREAS NOW IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT ON THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS TRUE.
AND SO IF IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND SO THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE SETBACKS.
UM, THAT IS A DETERMINATION THAT IS MADE BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING.
AND SO, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A NEED FOR VARIANCE.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THERE WILL BE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL GET TO DOWN THE LINE.
UM, THE FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS, THE VARIANCE PROCESS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION.
RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD.
AND SO THE BOA DOES CONSIDER THAT IF THEY'RE REVIEWING SOMETHING, THEY WANT TO KNOW, UM, WELL IF IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF HCRC? AND SO I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL TOO BOUND ABOUT THE SETBACKS.
IF, IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND IT'S CONSISTENT AND YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONCERN WITH NOT HAVING THE REAR SETBACK, THEN GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
IT JUST DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT A PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED.
AND JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, ROUGHLY HOW MANY FEET WOULD THAT BE?
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FIVE.SO, UM, JUST FOCUSING ON THE DEMOLITION, UH, STAFF, YOU DID DO A SITE VISIT, RIGHT? A CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED.
SO THE SETBACK IS FIVE, BUT THEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
UM, THEY WILL SOMETIMES MEASURE FROM THE, UM, THE EAVE AND SO YOU CAN POTENTIALLY GET TO THREE FEET FROM THE EAVE IN THIS PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO IT COULD BE CLOSER THAN FIVE, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT THEY LOOK FOR AS A STARTING POINT.
SO ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF ADUS, UM, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE NEW A DU ORDINANCE, WHICH GIVES YOU A THREE FOOT.
UM, BUT THEN LOOKING AT YOUR OTHER PLAN, YOUR OTHER OPTION OF BUILDING IT AS AN ADDITION, WE'LL EXPERIENCE AN EVEN GREATER REQUIREMENT OF A REAR SETBACK BECAUSE YOU'RE ATTACHING IT TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO YOU HAVE A REAL ZONING QUANDARY ON YOUR HANDS.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING.
SO THEN IF I DID IT AS WHERE I JUST DO IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THE HOUSE, THEN IS IT, WHAT'S THE SETBACK? LIKE HOW MANY FEET BETWEEN MY, YOU WERE FROM 10 TO 20 FEET.
BUT YOU WANNA CHECK WITH DSD TO CONFIRM THAT? OKAY.
I, I DID CHECK WITH THEM BEFORE I EVEN STARTED AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO KIND OF GAVE ME SOME GUIDANCE AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE YARD IS SO SMALL, I WOULD HAVE A GOOD CASE TO HAVE A REQUEST OR BEG FOR A SMALLER VARIANCE, BLACK MALE BRIBE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
UM, SO THEY SAID IT'S WORTH A TRY AND THAT'S ALL I CAN DO.
COMMISSIONER GRU, WERE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR INQUIRE? NO.
UM, SO I WAS JUST MORE FOCUSED ON THE DEMOLITION.
UM, SO STAFF DID DO A SITE VISIT, CORRECT? YES, CLAUDIA WENT.
AND I DON'T SEE IN THE PACKAGE ANY COST OR ANYTHING LIKE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PICTURES AND YOU KNOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ARE PRETTY, BUT WE, WE'VE SEEN WORSE.
LIKE I WOULD ALMOST SAY I THINK THE ONE IN THE CASE BEFORE DID LOOK A LOT WORSE ON THE OUTSIDE THAN THIS ONE.
WELL THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE UM, YOU SEE HOW IT LOOKS, IT'S VERY ROTTED.
WE HAD TO REPLACE IT SOME AND WE USE, WE WENT AND BOUGHT THE EXACT SAME WOOD OR THE INSURANCE WOULDN'T COVER US.
SO WE HAD TO DO LIKE A 24 HOUR REPAIR, BUT WE WENT AND BOUGHT THE EXACT SAME WOOD.
BUT WHAT CLAUDIA HAD SAID IS, UM, HALF OF THE GARAGE ISN'T ORIGINAL TO TO THE HOUSE AND THAT I THINK THAT WAS WHY SHE WAS RECOMMENDING IT.
WELL THEN THE ORIGINAL NON-ORIGINAL PART CAN BE DEMOLISHED.
WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON THE PART OF THIS ORIGINAL RIGHT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED AND SO IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR DEMOLITION.
AGAIN, THAT'S A DETERMINATION THAT'S MADE HERE.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING BASED ON WHEN IT SHOWS UP ON THE SANDBORN MAPS, BUT WE DO THINK A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED.
THE REPLACEMENT PLANS IS BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW AND NONE OF THE, WELL THAT'S A SEPARATE REQUEST.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ESPINO, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE IS TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, IS THAT PENDING THE APPROVAL OF FINAL REPLACEMENT PLANS? UM, TYPICALLY UNLESS OTHERWISE KIND OF NOTED IN THE APPROVAL, BUT WE WOULD NOT ISSUE THE UM, DEMOLITION PERMIT UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT PLANS ARE ALSO PERMITTED.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION HERE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO UM, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, AND TO REQUEST AND TO NOT APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT PLANS AT THIS TIME.
AND RE I SECOND, BUT CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL SO THE CLIENT CAN THE CORRECT, CORRECT.
THE APPLICANT CAN STILL COME BACK, RIGHT? YES.
NOT EXCEPT THAT REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
SO WHAT DO I, WHAT AM I MISSING? I'M NOT GOOD AT THIS.
SO I COULD ALSO ADD A THIRD ITEM TO REQUEST A DRC VISIT TO REVIEW YOUR UM, YOUR PLANS.
SO IT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
AND THEN IF I COULD, I'LL JUST CLARIFY KIND WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE DESIGN OF THE ACCESSORY OKAY.
AND COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO RE-REQUEST THE DEMOLITION.
SO THAT'S SORT OF BEEN SETTLED.
AND YOU'LL WORK WITH THIS GROUP ON THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO THE DESIGN.
AND DO I NEED TO GO TO THAT OTHER SAN ANTONIO GROUP ON THE PERMIT FIRST TO SEE WHAT THEY'LL APPROVE BEFORE I COME BACK? IT CERTAINLY
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HELPS.I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU GO AND LEARN ABOUT, UM, THE BUILDING CRITERIA AND BUILDING STANDARDS THAT RELATE TO YOUR ZONING DESIGNATION.
BUT THE, UM, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IDEAS ON THE, ON THE BOARDS RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR A DU MM-HMM.
UM, BUT UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMEWORK ON IT OKAY.
TO SEE WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND THEN RETURN TO US OR RETURN TO A-D-R-C-A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, OKAY.
WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT YOUR PROGRESS AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BEFORE YOU COME TO A COMMISSION HEARING AGAIN.
AND, AND ONE OF Y'ALL WILL EMAIL ME HOW TO DO THAT.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TOO? I MEAN PLEASE.
SO ONE OF THE STAFF COMMENTS WAS THAT THE TWO STORY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALSO GONNA DEPEND ON YOUR DESIGN AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ADD A PICTURE.
I THINK, UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS AN ADDITION AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO SWITCH TO.
SHE DID IT AS AN ADDITION AND IT'S TWO STORY AND THEN ON THE NEXT, UH, BLOCK OF WIX, SOMEBODY'S DOING THAT SAME THING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TWO STORY IN THE BACK.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOCUS ON WHEN YOU COME IN.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU SHOULD BRING TO THE OTHER, UM, DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS FOR THAT.
WELL AND I'LL ALSO ADD, WE REVIEWED WHAT WE HAD AND SO WE JUST HAD THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN WITH THE LOT COVERAGE AND SETBACKS AND THOSE SORTS OF ISSUES.
UM, AS YOU START LOOKING AT THIS THREE DIMENSIONALLY, THE TYPE OF ROOF THAT IT HAS AND LIKE THE TOTAL HEIGHT AND LIKE CAN SOME OF THE, UM, APARTMENT SPACE BE CAPTURED WITHIN THE ROOF FORM AND MAYBE IT'S A HALF STORY, LIKE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT DURING THAT DESIGN, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE HDRC AGENDA 2 0 6 E SUMMIT CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 4 7 2 0 60 SUMMIT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY A DU WITH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF 440 SQUARE FEET AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ALONG MCCULLOUGH AVENUE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS THE HISTORIC SETBACK ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE HISTORIC MIDRISE CONDOS IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING THE PROPERTY SETBACK TO BE FIELD VERIFIED BY APPLICANT.
APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT NEW SITE PLAN WITH REVISED SETBACK PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC AS NOTED IN FINDING C STIPULATION TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC BASED ON FINDING I NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS OF THE STACKED LIMESTONE STAIRS AND INTEGRATED PLANNERS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC AS NOTED IN FINDING.
UM, SINCE THE AGENDA HAS BEEN POSTED, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL STIPULATIONS AS YOU SEE ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION REQUIRED? WELL, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE VIRTUALLY.
UM, SO SHE CAN, UM, CHIME IN IF YOU WANT TO UNMUTE MICHELLE.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANY COMM, COMM COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN ASK THOSE, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, SHE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STIPULATIONS.
HI, I AM MICHELLE CRUZ AND I'M THE ARCHITECT WORKING WITH THE RASC FAMILY ON THIS PROJECT AND WE DO AGREE WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND, UM, ARE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH, WITH THEIR STIPULATIONS.
UM, IF YOU NEED ME TO PRESENT, I ABSOLUTELY WILL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, ON YOUR DRAWING A 2 0 3, WHICH IS THE, UM, SIDE OF THE A DU FACING MCCULLOUGH.
THERE ARE NO WINDOWS HERE AND UH, I SEE ON YOUR PLAN THAT YOU'VE GOT A, UH, A LIVING ROOM AND A AND A RESTROOM THERE OR A BATHROOM.
UM, BUT GENERALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BUILDINGS HAVE WINDOWS
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ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY FACADE.AND SINCE THIS IS THE FACADE FACING THE PUBLIC, UH, WAY, UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME WINDOWS IN THIS FACADE? YES.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT MCCULLOUGH IS A VERY BUSY STREET.
UM, AND SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO CREATE SORT OF A BOUNDARY BETWEEN THAT VERY BUSY SECONDARY AVENUE AND THE LIVING SPACE.
UM, BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AND ADD SOME WINDOWS AND I'M GETTING MESSAGES FROM MY CLIENT WHO IS ALSO SAYING, YES, WE ARE WILLING TO ADD WINDOWS TO THAT FACADE AND UM, SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, IT WAS JUST SORT OF, WE ARE TRYING NOT TO BE, UH, OVERBEARING.
WE WANNA JUST BE AS SIMPLE, ELEGANT, WE WANNA LOOK LIKE WE ARE PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT IS, UH, EXTREMELY NOTICEABLE OR, OR JUST AN ELEGANT A DU.
SO WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AND ADD AND, AND SEE HOW WE ADD WINDOWS TO THAT FACADE.
I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL STEPS STIPULATIONS, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION OF, UH, INCORPORATING SOME FENESTRATION ON THE MCCULLOUGH STREET FACADE.
AND THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 4 8 2900 SAN PEDRO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, RESTORE A FRONT ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH FACADE AT THE LOCATION OF A PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH.
EXISTING WINDOWS WILL BE REMOVED AND A NEW STA STAIRCASE WILL BE INSTALLED.
NUMBER TWO, ENCLOSED ONE DOOR ON WESTERN FACADE ALONG SAN PEDRO AVENUE.
NUMBER THREE, INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL STUCCO WALL ALONG SOUTHERN UH, EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE FRONT YARD ALONG ELSMERE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, A, THAT WINDOWS BE RETAINED ON THIS FACADE OR THAT THE HISTORIC PORCH B RESTORED BASED ON EVIDENCE, THE RESULTING FACADE SHOULD READ VISUALLY AS A PORCH CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
B, THAT DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS BE UPDATED AND SUBMITTED FOR A-C-O-A-C.
THAT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED STAIR BE SUBMITTED FOR A COA NUMBER TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SIDE DOOR ENCLOSURE BASED ON FINDING C AND THREE STAFF.
DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A FRONT YARD FENCE OR WALL BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
JUST HIT THAT BUTTON ONCE, UH, THIS BUTTON.
UH, HI, MY NAME'S CHRIS ROCHA AND I AM THE GC AT, UM, 2 9 0 0 SAN PEDRO.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS ADD A STUCCO FENCE ALONG.
UH, IS IT SAN PEDRO OR ELSMERE? IS IT MIR ELSMERE.
UH, WELL, UM, I GUESS THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING.
I WAS TRYING TO ADD THE FENCE ON THE SAN PEDRO SIDE.
UM, NOT ON THE, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT ON ELLIS MIRROR.
COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SIDE PLAN? IT SHOWS THE FENCING.
UM, MAY I PLEASE NOTE THAT THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE REQUEST BASED ON A PHONE CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF, UM, AN INCOMING VIA BUS STOP THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED ALONG THAT SIDE.
SO WE, UM, OUR ONLY, THIS REQUEST ONLY REFLECTS THE FRONT WALL.
THEN IF WE CAN ALSO ADD ONE ON THE, UH, ELSEWHERE SIDE, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE REQUEST.
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YES MA'AM.UM, AND THE ADDITIONAL DOOR BY THE FRONT PORCH AREA, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY IT HAS TWO DOORS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S FACING SAN PEDRO, A VERY BUSY STREET, UM, KIND OF LIKE IN AN ODD AREA.
UH, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE HOW A NORMAL HOUSE WOULD LOOK.
YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR MAIN DOOR IN THE, ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE WELL ELSMERE SIDE INSTEAD OF FACING LIKE A BUSY STREET.
DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR PRE PRESENTATION OF YOUR CASE? UH, YES SIR.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, LIKE WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ENTRANCE.
THIS WAS A PORCH THAT'S BEEN INFILLED AND SO IT'S NOT CRAZY, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME STIPULATIONS FOR HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED.
ARE YOU INTENDING TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS TO ELSMERE? UM, I AM NOT.
SO THE, BECAUSE OF THE ADDRESS ON THE HOUSE, THE FRONT YARD IS ON SAN PEDRO.
SO THEN THE, THE FRONT YARD FENCING GUIDELINES COME INTO PLAY.
UM, AND IS THAT THE SIX FOOT FENCE THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING? WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING A FENCE ON THE ELSMERE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE ELSMERE SIDE.
SO CORRECT ON SAN PEDRO'S SIDE, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, THERE'S SOME UNKNOWNS ABOUT WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS BUS STOP AND LIKE I THINK THERE'S SOME ACQUISITION THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO LIKE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW LIKE WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE'S GONNA BE YET.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE JUST HOLDING OFF ON THAT SAN PEDRO WALL UNTIL WE KNOW MORE.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONCERN THERE WITH HAVING A PRIVACY SCREEN ON THE SAME PAGER SIDE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE ADDRESS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK DOWN SAME PAGER, THAT'S WHERE THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES ARE FOR THE MAJORITY OF, OF THE STRUCTURES.
AND SO WE ARE CONSIDERING SM TO BE THE, THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE AND WE'RE TREATING IT LIKE A FRONT YARD FENCE.
AND STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING REMOVING ONE OF THE DOORS ON THE SAN PEDRO SIDE? YES.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE WERE ADDED WHEN THIS WAS SPLIT INTO APARTMENTS.
UM, QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M DONE FOR NOW.
SO FRONT WAS CONSIDERED ELSEWHERE EVEN THOUGH THE ADDRESS IS SAN PEDRO, RIGHT? SO TO STAFF IS THERE A WAY THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT? UH, YES MA'AM.
I KNOW WE'RE JUST TALKING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE FRONT LOOKED LIKE? 'CAUSE THESE ARE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, DON'T ADD A DOOR.
THE REMOVE THE WINDOWS ARE PROBABLY NOT ORIGINAL, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT WORTH SAYING REMOVE THE WINDOWS, BUT JUST ONCE YOU PUT THAT DOOR, THEN YOU CHANGE THE WHOLE FRONT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE JUST KNOW THAT, UM, BASED ON SANDBORN, THE PART THAT STICKS OUT WITH THE TWO WINDOWS, IF WE COULD PUT THAT ON SCREEN, WAS A PORCH.
AND SO VERY LIKELY THERE WERE STAIRS LEADING UP TO ONE SIDE OF, I THINK IT WAS THREE COLUMNS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT ON THE INSIDE? IF WE COULD LOOK AT SIDE SIX PLEASE.
SO I THINK YOU WOULD'VE GONE UP ONE OF THE SIDES AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD'VE BEEN A RAILING AND THEN AN ENTRANCE BEYOND.
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT ON THE INSIDE? DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS A, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN ADDITION ACTUALLY.
LIKE THE SQUARE FEET DOES NOT MATCH THE ACTUAL, LIKE IT'S, THIS HOUSE IS LARGER, SO THERE'S ADDED SQUARE FEET AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE IT WAS ADDED IS THE SUNSCREEN.
IS AT THE SUNROOM BEEN DEMOLISHED ON THE INSIDE IN THAT FRONT.
UM, LIKE HAS ANYTHING BEEN DEMOLISHED ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE? THERE'S BEEN SOME WALLS REMOVED.
WELL, IN THAT PART, IN THAT PART, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED IN THERE.
I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT I WASN'T TOO SURE IF WE CAN PUT A DOOR THERE.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, RIGHT? UH, THE SAN PEDRO, THIS HOUSE IS VERY ODD AND IT'S LIKE IN A SPOT WHERE MR. CHAIR, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL DO A MOTION.
UH, A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, AND MAYBE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, SINCE THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO AND CHANGED AND UH, IT'S AN ODD CONFIGURATION,
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WOULD EVERYONE CONSIDER A SITE DRC? THAT WAS THE MOTION GONNA BE.DRC SECOND BEEN MOVED THAN PROPERTY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA TELL YOU LIKE, I THINK CONCEPTUAL AND, AND AND THE IDEA OF KEEP WORKING ON IT IS THE I THINK SO TOO.
'CAUSE GREAT PROPERTY, IT'S IN A CORNER AND THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS AND WE'LL, LOVE TO, I THINK WE JUST, IF YOU WORK WITH US, JUST DON'T DEMOLISH OR REMOVE ANYTHING.
NO, I WASN'T PLANNING ON REMOVING ANYTHING.
I JUST, UH, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DO, BUT I KIND OF SEE WE'RE ALL JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT TOO.
WELL, AND I'LL ADD SOMETHING SIR.
UM, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE STARTED WORK HERE.
WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF STUFF ADMINISTRATIVELY AND SO IF YOU DO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE OPENED UP SOME OF THOSE LIKE PULLED OFF DRYWALL OR SOMETHING IN THIS PORTION AND BE ABLE TO SHOW LIKE WHAT THE FRAMING LOOKS LIKE, THAT'LL HELP INFORM THE CONVERSATION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.