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UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE HISTORIC COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING TOGETHER FOR FRIDAY, OCTOBER 18TH, 2024.CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
ACTUALLY, JASON, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES? OH, SORRY, I JUMPED THAT ONE.
TRANSLATION SERVICES THANK YOU COM, THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JASON VASQUEZ, VICE CHAIR AND JUANITA SIP VIDA IS A CHAIR.
UH, IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL CITY RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON A ON, AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
WE HAVE A VERY QUICK AND SHORT AGENDA, SO LET'S GET TO IT.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE DO, WE DO NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 20TH.
I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES.
UM, IF WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, UM, A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
ITEM TWO AND THREE HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN, UM, BY THE APPLICANT AND SO THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
SO THAT JUST BRINGS US TO TWO.
UM, WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA,
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
5 0 4 MADISON STREET.UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERSON IN PERSON SPEAKERS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS ON THESE ITEMS. THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU WANNA REVIEW THAT, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, UNLESS THAT WANTS TO, UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, YOU COULD TAKE ACTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, SO MOVED.
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IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE THE APPLICANT FOR 5 0 4 MADISON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU CAN LEAVE AT THIS TIME.
MM-HMM,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR JUST, JUST PHYSICAL.
UM, SO CAITLYN, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND KICK US OFF? ITEM FOUR?
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SURE.ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 2 8 2 5 0 2 MADISON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD ADD ONE SET OF FAUX SHUTTERS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION FACING EAST JOHNSON STREET.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C.
AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT GARY REED, HERE TODAY.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO STATE YOUR CASE, PLEASE PUSH THAT BUTTON AND STATE YOUR NAME.
GARY REED THE THIRD, PRESS THE BUTTON.
WHAT'S THAT? PRESS THE BUTTON.
UH, LOUIS GARY REED II UH, 5 0 2 MADISON.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO STATE YOUR CASE, PLEASE.
UM, SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS A DUPLEX RENTAL.
UM, IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES, IT WAS THEIR ESCAPE LANDSCAPING.
IT WAS TAN ON TAN COLORING, IT NEEDED A LOT OF WORK AND RESTORATION.
I THINK I PUT IN WELL OVER $250,000.
BUT THE FULL SHUTTERS, YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE NEW PAINT.
AND THE XSCAPE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
IT'S NOW GRASS WITH A ASIA JASMINE AND I'VE PLANTED ABOUT FOUR GRAPE MYLES CRE MYRTLES AND THEY'RE ON THE SIDE.
IT HAS NO DISTINGUISHING FEATURES.
AND SO MY GC HE SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T WE PUT UP SOME SHUTTERS? AND I SAID, THAT'S GREAT.
AND BASICALLY IT'S SIX SCREWS ON, ON EACH SIDE.
AND IT'S NOT CHANGING THE, UM, THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT, UH, INSTALLING ANY HARDWARE BESIDES THE SIX SCREWS.
UM, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK MORE LIKE A HOME AND NOT A RENTAL.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT IN KING WILLIAMS. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT HOMES.
THEY, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND THEY WALK THEIR DOGS AND IT'S ONLY ON THE SIDE FOR THAT ONE, UM, SINGLE SHUTTER.
AND I'VE GOTTEN PLENTY OF COMPLIMENTS.
UH, AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE ONE OPPOSITION LETTER IS NOT ACTUALLY AN OPPOSITION LETTER.
IF YOU READ THE OPPOSITION LETTER, IT ACTUALLY SAYS, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SHUTTERS, WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOUR SHUTTERS
IT SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WOOD, UH, PANEL SHUTTERS.
UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE JUST, UH, TWO PANEL SHUTTERS.
UH, SO EVEN THE OPPOSITION LETTER SAYS YES, HEY, I LIKE IT.
UM, AND WE JUST MADE 'EM TO MATCH.
I DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE WINDOWS.
I'VE KEPT EVERYTHING AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHERE, WHERE I'VE NEEDED TO, I'VE MADE REPAIR WORK.
UM, THE FRONT DOORS NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
THERE'S CRACKS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, IS THAT WHAT IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE? OH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE.
UH, BUT UM, YEAH, JUST TRYING TO ENHANCE THE LOOK AND THE, HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE, UH, THAT SIDE STREET.
I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT, BUT ON THE SIDE STREET, AGAIN, IT'S, DO I WANT TO LOOK LIKE A RENTAL PROPERTY OR DO I WANT IT TO BE MY HOME? SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE ADDITION MAY OH, THOSE ARE MY NEIGHBORS.
OH, I, AND I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, POSITIVE LETTERS.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME, BUT FORTUNATELY MY NEIGHBOR AT 5 0 4 IS ACTUALLY HERE.
SO IS HE SIGNED UP? HE'S NOT SIGNED UP, BUT HE COULD BE.
AND YOU CAN RECOGNIZE HIM TO SPEAK, UM, UP TO YOU.
UHHUH, IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO THAT THERE, NOTICE THAT HE'S GOT DARK OUTLINES AROUND THE ROOF AND STUFF.
THAT, SIR, CAN YOU USE THE MIC SHUTTER PULL MICROPHONE COLOR AROUND PLEASE.
YOU WANNA SPEAK INTO THE, I'M SORRY.
SO THE, THE BLACK LINES, SIR, ALONG THE ROOF AND THE PORCH.
YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SORRY.
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I THINK THE SHUTTERS PULL THE COLOR IN HELP, UH, ACCENT THE HOUSE.OTHERWISE IT'S JUST TAN AND WHITE.
AND MR. WADE, IF YOU'LL COME SIGN IN YOUR NAME PLEASE.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY SIX SCREWS.
LIKE IT CAN BE REMOVED VERY EASILY AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE A LIKE A BURDEN ON ME, BUT I, I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK BETTER, AT LEAST FROM THE, THE SIDE POINT.
I MEAN THE ELECTRICAL BOX IS A LOT MORE DISTRACTING THAN THE SHUTTERS.
AND, AND COMMISSIONERS, I'LL JUST CLARIFY STAFF'S POSITION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO SHUTTERS EVER, UM, BUT THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT SHUTTERS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED ONLY WHERE THEY'VE EXISTED HISTORICALLY AND WHERE APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE SHUTTERS SHOULD MATCH THE HEIGHT AND WIDTH OF THE OPENING AND BE MOUNTED TO BE OPERATIONAL OR APPEAR TO BE OPERATIONAL.
DO NOT MOUNT SHUTTERS DIRECTLY TO ANY HISTORIC WALL OR MATERIAL.
AND SO YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ARE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THEY HAVE TO BE REAL SHUTTERS THAT COULD IN THEORY CLOSE OR LOOK LIKE THEY COULD CLOSE.
AND SO THE ISSUES ARE THAT THESE ARE MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE WALL, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND THEN ALSO THAT UM, THEY ARE MORE NARROW THAN THEY WOULD BE IF THEY WERE TO CLOSE AND, YOU KNOW, FIT THE WHOLE WINDOW OPENING.
SO THAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EXPLAINS IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO TYPICALLY COREY, IF IT WERE TO MATCH THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS WIDTH, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING? YES, IT HELPS.
CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? GO AHEAD.
UM, THAT I WAS ZONING IN ON, ON THAT STATEMENT TO, UH, THE SIX B.
SO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT, IT'S NOT JUST THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT THOUGH, IT'S THE FACT THAT IT'S MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO THE WALL.
CORRECT? THEY NEED TO BE AT LEAST, UM, THE, THE IDEA OR THE PERCEPTION THAT THEY'RE OPERATIONAL.
SO THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE WINDOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE SUBMITTED ON PAGE SEVEN, PDF, PAGE SEVEN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK BOTH OF THESE EXAMPLES HAVE SHUTTERS THAT UM, HAVE HARDWARE, MOUNTING HARDWARE TO THE WINDOW TRIM, UM, AND COULD CLOSE OR LOOK LIKE THEY COULD BE CLOSED.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? DO YOU HAVE UM, SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT I, I SENT IN? YEAH, WE HAVE YOUR PACKET IF ALL THE PHOTOS YOU SENT.
YOU WANNA SPEAK IN THE MIC? THANK YOU.
UH, THERE WAS ONE ON WASHINGTON STREET.
THESE WERE THE SIX PHOTOS YOU SUBMITTED.
OKAY, WELL I GUESS THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ME THAT MUCH.
UH, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WERE DOING REALLY? YEAH, I I WILL AGREE THAT THE, THE 1 31 ADAMS LOOKS LIKE KIND OF THE FOE TECH ON SHUTTERS LIKE YOU ARE PROPOSING, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT, IT HAS HAPPENED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY WERE POPULAR LIKE THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES WHEN HOUSES WERE BEING BUILT.
AND SO WE DO SEE 'EM HISTORICALLY JUST NOT IN THIS AGE OF HOME.
I MEAN I, I LOOK AT, UH, IT WAS A HOUSE ON WASHINGTON AND THEY HAVE SHUTTERS AND THEY'RE FAUX SHUTTERS AND THE REASON WHY I KNOW IS BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T GO THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOW AND THEY ACTUALLY HANG OFF THE SIDE, LIKE THEY HANG OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T, I WAS LIKE, FOR MYSELF, I SAID THAT TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK CONSISTENT.
BUT IF I DO GET THE SHUTTERS AND THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS OF SAYING, HEY, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE SHUTTERS TO LOOK LIKE THIS, TO BE LIKE THIS, TO BE OPERATIONAL, I'M MORE THAN OPEN TO DO THAT, UM, FOR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW? SURE.
I I WANNA MEET THE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND I'VE HAD A COA FOR MY DOORS FOR THE PAINT FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I'VE DONE.
UM, SO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATIONS, UM, LETTER.
UH, THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR LETTER THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND CONCUR WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
UM, WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOUNDS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM, FROM WHAT THEY'RE MENTIONING IN HERE BECAUSE THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION IS GOING WITH WHAT OHP IS RECOMMENDING.
I I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ASSOCIATION, NOT TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ASSOCIATION, JUST MY NEIGHBORS.
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THE ASSOCIATION IS WHAT A GROUP OF FOUR? I THINK IT'S THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, THE HDRB.AND I DID, UH, TALK TO THE HDRB, NOT ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE WHERE I WANTED TO GET A DECK AND THAT WAS DENIED OR IT WAS GOING TO BE DENIED.
SO INSTEAD I PUT DOWN GRASS AND SOME THINGS SO I WASN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THEM BEFORE THEY MADE A DECISION, SO.
ALL I DO IS TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS.
I OPEN THE FLOOR TO MY COM UH, COLLEAGUES GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
SORRY, I KNOW YOU JUST SAT DOWN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP FOR MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES.
UM, YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF, UH, TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE SHUTTERS, UM, THAT THE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYBODY.
ANY MOTIONS, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS OR QUESTIONS? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I NEED UH, MOTION PLEASE.
I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO DENY THE PROPOSAL, UM, AND ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF FOR APPROPRIATE SHUTTERS.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE GARCIA? AYE REGARD? AYE.
SO NO SHUTTERS, PLEASE WORK WITH THE OHP STAFF AND THEY'LL WORK WITH YOU ON, ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
PACIFIC SHUTTERS IS A NO, BUT YOU COULD COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES AND WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THANK YOU MR. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.