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WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, 2024, 9:00 AM UH, WE'RE CALLING TO ORDER THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, TO REVIEW THE S-A-P-M-C CODES.
UM, ESTHER, CAN WE START WITH ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FRED ANDIS? YES.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MELISSA RAMIREZ.
INTERIM DEPUTY DIRECTOR DANNY LIGA, CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR.
ESTHER ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST.
JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
VALERIE RODRIGUEZ, SENIOR PLANNER.
UH, DO WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES? UM, THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION, PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO IF ANYBODY HERE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE WE'VE SIGNED UP ON THE SIGN IN SHEET OUTSIDE.
IF YOU DID SIGN UP, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME NOW TO APPROACH THE PODIUM, MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND FOR THE RECORD, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
ON TO THE FIRST ACTION ITEM.UH, WE'LL PLEASE START WITH INTRODUCTIONS.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE THE 2024 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE.
I AM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND I'LL MOVE TO MY LEFT, PLEASE.
AND MY NAME IS MELISSA RAMIREZ.
I'M THE INTERIM DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
MY NAME'S INGRID CASTILLO MERCADO.
I'M THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
GOOD MORNING, I'M DALE RUSSELL.
I'M A CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR.
I'M THE CHAIR PERSON FOR THE SAN ANTONIO BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE SAN ANTONIO BUILDINGS BOARD.
UM, DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE ON THOSE STANDARDS BOARD.
GOOD MORNING, I'M JASON VASQUEZ.
I AM FROM DISTRICT SEVEN, AND I AM NEW TO THIS COMMITTEE.
HI, I AM MELIN LOPEZ RODRIGUEZ.
I'M DISTRICT FOUR ON THE STANDING, UM, BOARD.
I'M THE ALSO A NEW REP ON THE, FOR DISTRICT THREE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY FOR, UH, THE BUILDING STANDARD.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. UM, AS YOU EXIT OUT THIS DIRECTION HERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE RESTROOMS, YOU CONTINUE STRAIGHT DOWN OR THE EXIT TO THE, UH, FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND OVER IN THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL HAVE SOME SNACKS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE COFFEE, WATER, AND SOME OTHER SNACKS OVER AT THE BACK.
SO FEEL FREE AT ANY POINT, UH, TO WALK UP AND GRAB SOMETHING TO YOU TO SNACK ON OR DRINK.
UH, THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL GROUP.
UM, IT, IT'S, WHILE IT'S A VERY FORMAL PROCESS, I LIKE TO MAYBE JUST KEEP A VERY OPEN FORUM.
UM, MIND YOU, ALL THIS IS BEING LIVE STREAMED RIGHT NOW, SO JUST BE MINDFUL OF WHAT COMMENTS YOU MAY MAKE
UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU GUYS FOR PARTICIPATING IN, IN, IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, I, I BELIEVE, UM, THE TWO RESIDENTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE BODIE SANDERS BOARD, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE WE SPEND A FEW MINUTES, UH, KIND OF GO OVER THE, THE PROCESS AND, AND KINDA EXPLAIN TO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
I, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, SEVERAL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ALREADY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND KIND OF OUTLINE THE PROCESS.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS
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HAVE A VERY INTRICATE PART OF THIS IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS REVIEW PROCESS.WHAT IT IS, IS THE, UM, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, WHICH IS GONNA BE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, IF YOU WILL, UH, REVIEWS THEIR CODE, UH, AMENDMENTS OR CODE PROCESS EVERY THREE YEARS, RIGHT? UH, THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WAS PROBABLY IN 2022, WHICH SEEMED LIKE ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, GIVE OR TAKE.
RIGHT? BUT THERE WAS A LOT SLIGHT DELAY BECAUSE OF THE COVID, THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT? SO, WHILE WE SHOULD REVIEW THE 2021 AND, AND 2020 OR 2021, THERE WAS DELAY DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.
SO NEVERTHELESS, UH, WE DO REVIEW IT IN 22.
UH, THE CURRENT CODE THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS, I'M GONNA USE SEVERAL ACRONYMS, AND I'M GONNA JUST, I'M GONNA, SO SAN YOUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH IS GONNA BE KNOWN THIS POINT FORWARD AS THE S-A-P-M-C, UH, IS THE LATEST CODE THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF OUTLINES THE MINIMUM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
AGAIN, JUST THAT'S THE MINIMUM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? UM, AND SO AGAIN, THIS ADOPTION PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH EVERY THREE YEARS, UH, THE LAST TIME WE ADOPTED, THIS WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER.
IT WENT INTO EFFECT, UH, FEBRUARY, 2023.
UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, A YEAR WILL GIVE OR TAKE LATER.
WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING IT AGAIN FOR 2024.
UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, IF YOU WILL, WAS COMPRISED OF, UM, FIVE BOARD MEMBERS AND, AND TWO, UH, RESIDENTS.
SO, UM, THESE, UH, EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE WILL HAVE A, A VOTE, IF YOU WILL, ON THE AMENDMENTS.
UH, THE PROCESS IS VERY SIMPLE.
WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THE 2024, UH, INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE, UH, AGAIN, THE NATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THIS, UH, VERY BRIEFLY AND IN DETAILS HERE SHORTLY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW THIS BOOK ITSELF CAME ABOUT.
UH, BUT WHAT WE DO IS IN GENERAL, TAKE SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, REVIEW THEM, AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT 'EM INTO OUR, UH, 2024 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE CODE ADOPTION PROCESS, OR CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS RATHER IS STILL OPEN.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT TODAY WE CAN KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE FORMALITY AND KIND OF QUICK OVERVIEW, BUT NOT GET INTO THE REALLY HEAVY LIFTING OF THE CODE JUST YET.
BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT ARE STILL BEING SUBMITTED THROUGH THE DAY TODAY, UH, IN THIS PROCESS, IN THIS DOCUMENTARY REVIEW.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, I KNOW THIS, I PROBABLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO ON, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR AHEAD AND YOU JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF AT ANY POINT I CAN STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, BEFORE I GET TOO FAR, I'M LOOKING AT CALEB.
UH, CAN WE CHECK THE LIVESTREAM? I'M GETTING TEXT THAT IT'S NOT WORKING.
YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT LIVESTREAM IS WORKING.
UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME WAY TO CHECK THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'LL GO DOUBLE, DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE ALSO ARE GETTING A MESSAGE FROM THE LIVESTREAM.
IF, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, YOU CAN SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THAT AUDIO.
SO AGAIN, UM, YEAH, SO WHAT IS THE, THE MAKEUP OF THIS GROUP? IS IT BY THE DIS THE 10 DISTRICTS AND THEN A MAYORAL APPOINTEE? OR WHAT IS MAKEUP AND THEN HOW MANY CITIZENS IS THERE? IS IT ONLY THE TWO OR IS THERE MORE THAN TWO? GREAT QUESTION.
YEAH, SO, UM, SO THE WAY, THE WAY THE MAKEUP ITSELF COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD, UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS COMPRISED OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX BUILDING STATUS BOARD MEMBERS.
IN THIS CASE WE HAVE FIVE, UH, VOTING BUILDING STATUS BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, WE OPENED UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IF YOU WILL, TO SERVE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, THAT PROCESS CLOSED, I WANNA SAY OCTOBER THE THIRD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY AT THAT TIME WE ONLY HAD THREE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, ONE WAS AN INTERNAL APPLICANT WHO WAS A CODE OFFICER WHO HAD APPLIED.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE DECIDED IT WASN'T, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE A RIGHT FIT FOR THIS, THIS PANEL, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND, AND YOU TWO WERE THE OTHER TWO SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS RATHER THAT APPLIED AS WELL.
SO, UH, THE FULL BOARD REVIEWED, UH, YOUR APPLICATIONS AND, UM, APPOINTED YOU TO, TO THE, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO AGAIN, THE MAKEUP OF THE CURRENT SUBCOMMITTEE RIGHT NOW IS FIVE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS AND TWO, UH, RESIDENTS, IF YOU ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IF YOU WILL, THAT ALL HAVE THE SAME EQUAL VOTING POWER AT THE TABLE.
AND WE DID CONFIRM THE LIVE STREAMING IS WORKING, UM, WITH THE TEAM.
AND THEN I'VE PULLED IT UP HERE.
AND IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE, I GUESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE OF THINGS OR ARE THESE, SO I REPRESENT MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OF COURSE, UH, BUT I ALSO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
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UM, IS THERE ANYONE ON THAT PART OF THE, THE THINGS? YEAH, NO, DEFINITELY.I MEAN, I, I'LL I'LL DEFER TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, CLAY THOMPSON, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALSO A RESIDENT.
YOU'RE ON THE, FROM THE, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, THE COMMUNITY SIDE.
BUT I'LL LOOK AT KAYLA AS WELL.
KAYLA SERVES AS A BOARD MEMBER, BUT HOWEVER, SHE'S A STRONG ADVOCATE, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT.
ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE SITTING AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IT'S VERY INFORMAL.
IF, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS THEMSELVES WANNA MAYBE KIND OF TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THEIR BACKGROUND AND HOW THEY GOT APPOINTED, HOW LONG THEY SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE, OR RATHER ON THE BUILDING CENTERS BOARD.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
JASON, JUST LIKE YOU, I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD FOR MY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
IN ADDITION, I'M ALSO THE SECRETARY FOR THE DISTRICT NINE ALLIANCE, WHICH IS AN ALLIANCE OF ALL THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN DISTRICT NINE.
UH, SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THINGS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
UH, SO WE GET TO SHARE A WHOLE LOT OF THAT HOA TYPE STUFF.
YEAH, I'M, UH, GLAD TO BE PART OF THIS BECAUSE THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE OF THINGS, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR HELP FOR THINGS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH CODE THAT WE CAN WORK ON.
IT'S ONE THING THAT THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY ALL HAVE THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY GET TO ENFORCE.
UH, BUT THE CITY CAN SOMETIMES BE ASSISTANCE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITHIN THE CITY, UH, AND TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT NEED HELP WITH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF IS WILLING TO DO THAT.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY, I'M, I'M JOEL SLAC.
I ALSO REPRESENT, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OAK PARK NORTHWOOD ON THE, UH, THE TOD, UH, YOU, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING VERY CRITICAL TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF IT.
UH, BUT ALSO THEY'VE APPOINTED ME TO, UH, REPRESENT DISTRICT 10 ON THIS BOARD AND BEEN HERE FOR NOW, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK.
BUT THIS IS MY SECOND CYCLE THROUGH, UM, KAYLA MIRANDA.
I AM ALSO ON THE BOARD OF MY NEIGHBOR, MY RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND I, I SPECIFY RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION BECAUSE OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS A RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION.
IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A HOMEOWNER TO BE A VOTING MEMBER.
UM, BUT I AM ALSO A HOUSING JUSTICE ORGANIZER.
SO I WORK WITH, UM, LOW INCOME, UH, OR EXTREMELY LOW INCOME TENANTS, UH, RENTERS ALL ACROSS THE CITY.
AND I CONSTANTLY FIGHTING WITH EVERYONE.
SO JUST, UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A VOICE HERE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ENCOURAGE IT VERY MUCH AND THEY WILL BE HEARD IF THEY COME OR IF THEY EMAIL AS WELL.
I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND I USED TO BE THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT FOR MY DISTRICT THREE.
ONE THING I THINK NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT RIGHT UP IS, THIS IS A QUAD JUDICIAL BOARD.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WERE GOVERNED BY LAW.
AND SO SOME OF THE, SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT CHANGED.
WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A LEGISLATOR ACT OR A LEGAL PART THAT COMES INTO THAT.
AND THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, THAT'S WHAT, UH, PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD JUST CHANGE THINGS WITHOUT HAVING THOSE, BUT WE'RE GOVERNED NOT JUST BY THE CODE OF THE CITY, BUT BY THE STATE AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE QUAD JUDICIAL.
WHEN WE MAKE A RULING UP HERE, WHOEVER THE, UH, MR. NELSON OR MYSELF IS DOING IT, OR THE OTHER TWO BOARD MEMBERS, ANY ONE OF US THAT ARE THE VICE CHAIR OR CHAIR SIGN COURT ORDERS, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE DO.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET RID OF THAT IS GO TO THE APPEALS COURT AND PRETTY MUCH DO THAT.
BUT SOME OF THIS STUFF IN HERE, WE CAN'T CHANGE.
THEY'RE GREAT IDEAS, BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE HURDLE THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE, BUT THAT'S COVERS THE CITIZENS AND THE BOARD AND THE STATE AND THOSE THREE THINGS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN WE'RE UP THERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS BOARD.
UM, SO, UH, FACILITY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
SO I'M, WHILE THEY'RE HOA AND RESIDENCE, I'M BUSINESS SIDE OF IT.
I'M ERLINDA AND DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, PUBLIC HEALTH IS MY BACKGROUND.
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THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ASPECT.YOU WANNA CHIME IN CLAY
SO I'M, I AM A MEMBER OF THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT, UH, I'M ALSO, UH, UH, WORK IN KIND OF THE CONSERVATION REALM HERE, THE CITY FOR A NONPROFIT AND SOME OTHER, UH, WORK ON THE BOARD, A COUPLE OF NONPROFITS IN THE AREA.
SO AGAIN, IT'S UC, JASON, IT'S A PRETTY DIVERSE GROUP OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS HERE THAT REPRESENT WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE FROM THE RESIDENT SIDE OR THE BUSINESS SIDE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A, A PRETTY BALANCED, IF YOU WILL, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE, THE CHANGES IN THE AMENDMENTS.
SO, AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THREE OF THE SEVEN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR, OR, UH, SAT ON THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME, UM, SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND SO, UH, FOR, ARE NEW TO THIS PROCESS, IF YOU WILL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, TO FURTHER INPUTS WHERE IT'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, ADDING 'EM ON AND HEARING THEIR SIDE, IF YOU WILL, AS FAR AS THE AMENDMENTS GO.
AND SO, AGAIN, IT'S A LEARNING CURVE FOR SOME OF US, WHILE OTHERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE BEHIND IT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BALANCED.
AND ARE WE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION INTO THE CITY CODE? YEAH, THAT'S, IS THAT WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS? BECAUSE WHAT MR I CAN'T READ YOUR NAME, SORRY.
BUT WHAT YOU SAID MADE IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE NOTHING.
NO, NO, NOT, NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
IT'S THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE THINGS, THE WAY THEY WERE PRESENTED LAST TIME, EITHER WERE NOT LE CANNOT LEGALLY BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, OR IT HAS TO BE DONE TO WHERE IT CAN LEGALLY BE DONE AS WELL AS THE, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL CAN HAVE IT DONE AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE, WE'RE QUAD JUDICIAL, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A HIGHER BEING ABOVE THEM THAT HAS CERTAIN CRUEL OR RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T IMPLE, IT'S THE WORDING AND HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED ON HERE, LIKE TAKING ONE WORD OUT MAY CHANGE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF THAT, WHICH MEANS IT MIGHT VIOLATE EITHER AN EXISTING CODE OR A LAW.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE LOOK AT.
SO IT'S NOT, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T, I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE PUT THIS IN, IF THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO IT, WE NORMALLY TELL OUT WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT, AND OUR COUNSEL WILL STEP UP AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, CAN'T LEGALLY DO IT, BECAUSE THE WORDING IS FROM THE LEGISLATOR SIDE, WHICH MEANS, SO THAT'S, SO YOU MAY GET PUSHBACK ON SOME OF THE STUFF YOU DO, BUT IT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE LEGALITY OF IT IN MORE, MORE MOST CASES THAN NOT.
SO, BUT I WILL ADD, UM, THIS IS ABOUT DISCUSSING AMENDMENTS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO IS TALK ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, UM, WHETHER THEY ARE COMING FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE OR FROM CITY STAFF OR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AND THEN YES, THERE IS GONNA BE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH LEGAL TELLING US, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST STATE LAW OR WHATEVER LAW.
IF THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE, WE WILL BE ADVISED OF THAT.
BUT THE DISCUSSIONS WILL HAPPEN HERE AND THIS YEAR MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, JASON, BECAUSE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE PASSED, UH, IN TERMS OF LITERALLY TRYING TO CONTROL THE CITY EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE.
UH, THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE POSSIBLY WOULD DISCUSS THAT EVEN REQUIRE STATE APPROVAL.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EASIER PROCESS THIS TIME.
IT'D BE MORE DIFFICULT PROCESS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO A STATE CODE.
AND ANOTHER PART, DON'T GET DISCOURAGED BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF, LIKE LAST TIME WE HAD THE TABLE TO GET A LEGAL MORE LEGAL THING ON IT, OR IT JUST, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT CAME IN JUST DIDN'T FIT.
SO IT HAD TO BE REWORDED TO, SO IT, IT JUST, BUT IN THE END, IT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
ALL IT IS IS A DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T CHANGE.
AND I THINK LAST YEAR ALL OF 'EM WERE DONE WEREN'T, NO MAJORITY OF 'EM WERE APPROVED.
THERE WERE A HANDFUL THAT WEREN'T IN THE END THOUGH.
SO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO THE BSB AND THEN IT'LL GO FORWARD EVENTUALLY ALL THE WAY TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
UH, ALSO TODAY, YOU SAID TODAY'S THE DAY, UH, THE FINAL DAY FOR EDITS TO SUBMIT NEW EDITS.
DO YOU MIND MOVING YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER? I'M SORRY.
YOU SAID TODAY'S THE DAY TO SUBMIT FINAL EDITS.
IS THERE A CUTOFF TIME ON THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S THE END OF THE DAY AT, AT FOUR 30 OR FIVE O'CLOCK, DANNY.
THE, UH, THE, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, SUBMISSION PROCESS ENDS TODAY AT FOUR 30.
AND THAT, THAT IS FOR NEW EDITS THAT
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ARE NOT ALREADY SUGGESTED, CORRECT? CORRECT.THAT'S FOR ANY RECOMMENDATION YOU MAY HAVE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE MAY BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE CENTRAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
DOES THAT ANSWER? AND THAT HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE SEPTEMBER, THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
SO WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT OPEN THE WINDOW OPEN FOR A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE AN APPLICATION, UH, PROCESS FOR THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS, UM, ONLINE.
AND THAT'S ON OUR ESSAY SPEAKUP PAGE.
EMILY, DO YOU MIND PULLING UP THE ESSAY SPEAKUP PAGE? I'M SO SORRY.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, 2024 S-A-P-M-C SPEAK UP PAGE.
UM, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE APPLICATION HERE.
UM, THE, THE, UH, THIS WOULD, THIS INFORMATION HERE THAT YOU SEE IS FOR THE APPLICATION TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS NOW CLOSED.
AND THEN DOWN HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICATION TO SUBMIT, UH, S-A-P-M-C AMENDMENTS.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE.
THAT'S THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE MAIN PAGE AND SCROLL DOWN, YOU'LL SEE UNDER TRACKING RESOURCES, UH, AND TENTATIVE TIMELINE, YOU'LL SEE ON HERE THE 2021 S-A-P-M-C AND THEN THE PROPOSED 2024 CODE AMENDMENTS.
THAT DOCUMENT WILL CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED AS WE ARE ADDING MORE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THIS.
SO THIS WILL BE THE TABLE THAT'S ONLINE.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE ADDING IN THE ACTUAL TEXT LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE WE REALIZE THIS IS SMALL, THIS IS JUST FOR TRACKING PURPOSES.
THE ACTUAL WORD DOCUMENT OR A PDF DOCUMENT WILL BE ONLINE, AND WE'LL BE TRACKING THAT INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT Y'ALL WILL BE CONSIDERING.
AND THE DEADLINE THAT IS TODAY, IS THAT FOR CODE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED? OR WHAT IS THE DEADLINE TODAY? THE DEADLINE TODAY IS FOR ANYONE ON THE EXTERNAL SIDE TO BE SUBMITTING ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS.
SO ON OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO TO, YES, THAT'S JUST FOR THE EXTERNAL PEOPLE.
THIS WE JUST BEING BROUGHT IN AT THE NINTH HOUR.
WE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE TIME TO GET THIS DONE, BUT, UH, THE GOAL HERE IS TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING.
I IT, I THOUGHT WE WERE BEING BROUGHT IN AT THE NINTH HOUR JUST FOR OH, NO, YOU'RE BRINGING FOR YOU'RE BEING BROUGHT IN AT THE BEGINNING.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT.
AND THIS'LL TAKE PROBABLY ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO DO.
SO AGAIN, SO THERE'S STILL, UM, TIME TO SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT, IF YOU WILL, EITHER THE DAY TODAY.
UM, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE PROBABLY WON'T GET INTO REAL HEAVY LIFTING TODAY, REVIEWING THE CODE JUST YET.
UH, WE'LL SAY THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, ONCE ALL THE AMENDMENTS DO COME IN AND WE'VE REVIEWED THEM AND ADD 'EM ONTO OUR, OUR SPREADSHEET FOR TRACKING.
UM, SO TO ANSWER, I GUESS BACK TO MR. ANDERSON'S POINT.
SO LAST TIME WE DID THIS PROCESS, THERE WAS ABOUT 83 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, AROUND 17 THAT WERE DUPLICATES OR IDENTICAL IN A SENSE WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE STRUCK ONE OUT BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST WORD FOR WORD, IF YOU WILL.
UH, SO THERE WERE 77, SO EITHER 66 UNIQUE, UH, PROPOSALS THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS PROCESS.
UM, BUT 80% OF THEM WERE IN CHAPTER ONE, WHICH IS OPEN ADMINISTRATION.
UM, OF THOSE 66, UM, 28 WERE, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, AND 38 WERE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE AS MR. ANDES POINTED OUT, WE'LL BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION, BUT ULTIMATELY THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DECIDE, UM, WHETHER WE INCLUDE IT IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE OR WE DON'T.
SO, AGAIN, UH, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE THAT VOTING POWER TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, AND SO SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES LAST TIME, UH, WE KNOW WE ADDED SOME, MAYBE SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGES.
THE A SECTION OF THE PMC, UH, WE, WE ADDED SOME DEFINITIONS, UH, ACCUMULATION WAS A DEFINITION WE ADDED JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY, UH, WHAT ACCUMULATION MEANT.
IN A SENSE WHERE, UH, WE ADDED TO MAKE SURE THAT DEMOLITION WAS, UH, THE LAST RESORT.
UH, WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL, AND WE FURTHER, FURTHER, FURTHER CLARIFY, UH, WHAT IT MEANT BY AN ABATEMENT.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WERE, UH, DISCUSSED DURING THE LAST REVIEW PROCESS.
SO, SO THIS TIME AROUND TIMETABLE WISE, UM, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S OUR FIRST KICKOFF MEETING, RIGHT? UM, I THINK SHORTLY WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS MAYBE SOME FUTURE DATES FOR THE NEXT MEETINGS.
UH, BUT WE WANNA DO IS PROBABLY WRAP UP BEFORE DECEMBER, IF YOU WILL, TO PRESENT BACK TO THE FULL BOARD BY MID-DECEMBER, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL IN PROBABLY JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR, AND THEN MAYBE START OUR TRAINING, UH, EARLY SPRING, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING 2024 S-A-P-M-C.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A RATHER QUICKLY, QUICK PROCESS, IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT MAYBE, MAYBE MEETING WEEKLY, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION AS FAR AS THE DATES GOES.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME DATES, BUT WE'LL, BEFORE WE DO THAT THOUGH,
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I'M JUST, AT SOME POINT, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF REHASH WHAT SOME WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING.AGAIN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UM, UH, FOR CLAY AND, AND FOR JASON.
UM, AFTER OUR TIMETABLE BRIEFLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUBMISSION OF A, UH, A CODE AMENDMENT STILL OPEN.
UH, WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THE S-A-P-M-C-P OR S-S-A-P-M-C SPEAK UP PAGE.
UH, ALL THAT INFORMATION BE RECORDED THERE.
UH, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR OVERVIEW, UH, WE CAN MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS SELECTION OF A CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
YOU MENTIONED ABATEMENT REALLY QUICK.
UH, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? YEAH, NO, DEFINITELY.
SO, ABATEMENT IN A SENSE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, IT'S WHEN THE CITY TAKES ACTION TO, UM, BASICALLY CLEAN UP A PROPERTY AFTER, UM, THE OWNER HAS FAILED TO DO SO AFTER RECEIVING NOTICE, RIGHT? SO THE INITIAL PROCESS, WE GO OUT AND DO AN INITIAL INVESTIGATION, CONFIRM THERE IS A VIOLATION, UH, WE'LL ISSUE THE PROPERTY OWNER A 10 DAY NOTICE OF VIOLATION TO CURE WHATEVER'S THERE, WHETHER IT'S TO CUT THE GRASS OR TO REMOVE ANY ITEMS THAT ARE STORED OUTSIDE THAT SHOULD NOT BE STORED OUTSIDE OR TO PICK UP SOME TRASH AND DEBRIS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GO BACK AFTER, TYPICALLY AFTER THE 10TH DAY, IF YOU WILL, IF IT'S STILL IN VIOLATION, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE, WHETHER THE OWNER'S ACTUALLY MAKING SOME PROGRESS OR, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING MORE TIME.
NEVERTHELESS, IF, IF NONE OF THOSE ARE TAKING PLACE AND WE JUST NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE OWNER AND, AND, AND, AND THE OFFICER, IF YOU WILL, UM, THE OFFICER DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO WHAT WE CALL A BAIT, MEANING BASICALLY, UH, CREATE A WORK ORDER TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR, A CITY, A CITY CONTRACTOR, GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN THE PROPERTY UP AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE.
SO ONCE WE COMPLETE THE ABATEMENT, THEN WE BILL THE OWNER FOR THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDED.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ABATEMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, VACANT HOMES, HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED, UH, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HARD TO GET A HOME ABATED.
UM, SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING AS FAR AS THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS WHAT IS, WAS THERE ANY CHANGES BESIDES, UH, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE PROCESS TO IT TO GET TO ABATEMENT? UM, IS IT ONE TIME THEY COME OUT AND INSPECT, TWO TIMES THEY COME OUT AND INSPECT, THEN THE THIRD TIME IS AN ABATEMENT? HOW, HOW IS THAT? YEAH.
SO, UH, THE ABATEMENT FOR VACANT STRUCTURE, UNFORTUNATELY, DOESN'T NECESSARILY FALL UNDER THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
IT FALLS UNDER A CHAPTER SIX OF THE CITY CODE.
UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'LL YOU'LL SEE IS, IS, UM, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S ADOPTED IN THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE FALLS INTO THE, THE S-A-P-M-C.
UH, WE DO HAVE OTHER CODES THAT WE USE TO, UH, ENFORCE.
AND SO IN THIS CASE HERE, AN EXAMPLE, WE USE THE CHAPTER SIX, WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT WE USE FOR VACANT STRUCTURES.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WHAT WE CALL SUMMARILY ABATE, MEANING THAT WE CAN ABATE A PROPERTY WITHOUT A NOTICE OF THE OWNER.
IN THE INSTANCE WHERE, LET'S SAY IT FALLS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A SCHOOL, IT'S UNSECURED, UH, IT'S OVERGROWN OVER 48 INCHES, RIGHT? OR IN THE FACT THAT MAYBE WE'VE AB BIDDED IT BEFORE AND THEY HAVE FAILED TO COMPLY REPEATEDLY.
RIGHT? SO THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT WITHOUT NOTICES.
BUT THE TYPICAL PROCESS IS A 10 DAY NOTIFICATION, AND THEN WE BEGIN THAT PROCESS FOR ABATEMENT IF THEY FAIL TO COMPLY.
MRS. THOMAS FRANKS, UM, IF YOU HAVE TIME, YOU, SO ALL THE BSB BOARDS ARE ONLINE.
UM, THE SEPTEMBER 12TH PANEL B MEETING WOULD BE A GREAT ONE TO WATCH.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, A RESET AND A REHEARING, UM, THAT HAD ABATEMENT AND HAD STRUCTURAL.
IT WAS A EXTREMELY GOOD MEETING, AND THAT'D GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW IT HAPPENS.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO ITEM TWO, UH, APPOINTMENT OF CO CHAIRPERSON AND CO-CHAIR FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, PUT OUT KAYLA MIRANDA FOR CHAIRPERSON.
I, SO BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, THERE WAS NO,
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WERE THERE ANY NAYS? OKAY, THEN BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, NOW YOU CAN TAKE OVER.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE THOMAS FRANKS FOR VICE CHAIR.
I SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, DO YOU MEAN CO-CHAIR? YES.
I MOVE THE MOTION BE MADE BY UNANIMOUS.
I MOVE TO, I MOVE TO, I'M SORRY.
I MOVE THAT THE VOTE BE UNANIMOUS TO MATT ANNOUNCE OR TO ELECT THOMAS FRANKS AS THE VICE CHAIR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, JUST VOTE THOSE IN FAVOR.
WELL, CONGRATULATIONS, KAYLA AND THOMAS.
SO LET'S, UH, SO THEN I GUESS WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN, UH, DID YOU WANNA, UH, SO WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION OF CHAPTER SIX, UH, ARTICLE FOUR, UH, MINIMUM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, AND PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CURRENT CODES.
MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR ALL, ALL OF US TO DISCUSS THE NEXT, UH, SCHEDULED MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THOSE DATES ARE AMENABLE TO EVERYONE HERE.
SO, UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT DONE BEFORE.
AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL, UH, BE, WE CAN DO THAT AFTER THE, THIS ITEM THAT, YES, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE CAPTURED IN OVERVIEW, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE TIMELINE SO WE CAN LOCK IN THE FUTURE DATES, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING MEETINGS? YES, WE CAN, THIS HOPEFULLY WILL BE EASY CONVERSATION SO WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
SO EVERYBODY ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS SENT, UM, A SURVEY WITH POSSIBLE MEETING DATES, AND WE ASKED, UH, EVERYONE TO PICK THE SIX DATES THAT WORK BEST FOR THEM BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE PROVIDED.
THESE ARE THE DATES THAT WORK BEST FOR MOST PEOPLE.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE MORNING MEETINGS AND SOME OF THEM ARE AFTERNOONS.
SO WE CAN AGREE ON THESE MEETINGS, OR WE STILL DO HAVE OTHER MEETING OPTIONS AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE WAS ONE MEMBER THAT WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEETING DATES AND TIMES.
THOSE, THOSE TWO TO FOUR PMS ARE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE GONNA BE PLAYING WITH RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET HOME.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT SHIFT THAT TO THE MORNING.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE CHALLENGES WITH ROOM SPACE? UM, VALERIE, EMILY, WE'RE CHECKING RIGHT NOW WITH THE ADDITIONAL MEETING DATES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM SIDE BY SIDE JUST TO KIND OF SEE IF THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS.
WE'RE WORKING ON OTHER, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS, IF YOU WILL, AND TASK FORCE MEETINGS.
SO WE'RE JUGGLING MULTIPLE RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AND ALSO HAVE THE AVAIL AVAILABILITY OF THIS ROOM, BECAUSE THESE MEETINGS NEED TO BE LIVE STREAMED.
SO FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON OCTOBER 30TH, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH TWO TO 4:00 PM WE DO HAVE NINE TO 11:00 AM AVAILABLE ON THE SAME, I'M SORRY.
UM, YEAH, ON THE SAME DAY, THE 30TH.
I HAVE A, A CONFLICT ON THE TWO TO 4:00 PM SO IF WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE MORNING, I ALSO, UM, HAVE A CONFLICT.
AND IN GENERAL, I NOTED THAT TWO TO FOUR IS EASIER 'CAUSE I DO HAVE A DAY JOB.
DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT TO A VOTE OR SHOULD WE JUST CHANGE IT? UH, LET'S TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HAVE TO STOP US RIGHT THERE.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, IN PROCESS GETTING READY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING YOU CAN SPEAK AFTER, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF IT, SO, AND YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TO SPEAK.
MARK, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN,
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AND THEN AFTER THIS ITEM IS CONSIDERED, THEN WE CAN TAKE YOUR COMMENT.GONNA ASK THAT GONNA STILL STOP US? UH, IT'S THE SAME THING.
AND MADAM CHAIR, UM, THIS IS A FORMAL MEETING.
SO WE DO HAVE SIGN IN AND THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS TAKEN.
AND, AND MARK IS WELCOME TO SPEAK, BUT WE NEED HIM TO SIGN IN AT AND SPEAK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
AND THERE IS A, THERE IS AN ITEM ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO AS SOON AS THE CHAIR IS READY TO PROCEED, THEN WE CAN TAKE, CARRY ON WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, ALSO, IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN NOW, PLEASE.
UH, SO ON, ON THE MOVING TO THE MORNING, UH, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
VOTE SO WE CAN HEAR MADAM CHAIR BEFORE WE DO, UH, POINT OF ORDER.
ARE WE DOING IT FOR WHAT TIME IN THE MORNING? THE NINE TO 11? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM TWO TO FOUR TO NINE TO 11? YES.
FOR THE OCTOBER 30TH, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR THE TIME.
IT WAS SPECIFIED IN THE MORNING.
NINE TO 11:00 AM MADAM CHAIR, CAN I MOVE THAT? UM, KEEP IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT'S NOTED ON THE, THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW? OH, WE WERE DOING A ROLL CALL VOTE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A MOTION ALREADY ON THE TABLE.
SO, MR. LOPEZ, WHO'S CALLING? ROE? WHO'S CALLING ROE FROM THE CITY? E ESTHER, IF YOU CAN CALL RO PLEASE.
MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF SIX TO ONE TO ONE.
CAN I HEAR YOU FOR OCTOBER 30TH, NINE TO 11.
CAN I HEAR YOUR COMMENT NOW, SIR? CAN, AND ALSO I MEMBER, I, A MEMBER OF THE, UM, SAN ANTONIO FIRE AND, UH, THE APPEAL BOARD FOR, THAT'S DOING ALL THE OTHER CODE CYCLE DOCUMENTS.
AND I JUST, I HAVE AN ISSUE, ONE WITH A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS, AND IT'S HOW WE RUN OUR MEETINGS.
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
IT'S VERY MUCH MORE INFORMAL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH CODE PROCESSES AND DISCUSSING AN ITEM.
IF A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OR AN AFFECTED PARTY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THE TIME THAT CODE PROVISION IS DISCUSSED.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THE BSB IS CREATED BECAUSE OUR TRADE ASSOCIATION MADE THE SUGGESTION TO THE CITY THAT THAT'S HOW IT WAS, UH, SHOULD BE SET UP.
WE SAT ON THE ORIGINAL C COMMITTEE THAT CREATED THIS WHOLE CODE.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED BY THE CODE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE SUGGESTION THAT I WOULD MAKE TO YOU IS THAT THE, THE PROCESS TO ADOPT THIS ALLOW MORE PARTICIPATION AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE CODE IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION OR A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ADDITIONALLY, I WAS GOING TO SAY IS OUR TRADE ASSOCIATION HAS SET UP A MEETING WITH THE, UH, DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED CHANGES THAT WAS, UH, MADE BY, UH, ON, I BELIEVE IT'S, WE'RE GONNA DO IT ON THE FOURTH.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LET THAT PROCESS HAPPEN FIRST, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING TO THE LANGUAGE.
THERE NO NEW AMENDMENTS, BUT IT'S JUST CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST BEFORE THAT.
BUT I GO BACK TO WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR HOW THE MEETINGS ARE RUN.
WE ALLOWED EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE
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IN AN OPEN PROCESS.THE VOTING, WHEN IT GOT TO ACTUAL VOTING, IT'S ONLY THE VOTING MEMBERS THAT CAN VOTE.
BUT THE, BUT THE DISCUSSION PROCESS ALLOWED MORE PARTICIPATION, UH, IN THE PROCESS.
SO THAT WOULD BE USING, UTILIZING EITHER THE, THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED FOR THE SIGN COMMITTEE OR THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED, UM, THAT WE USE IN THE, THE BUILDING BOARD, UH, THE CODE CYCLE PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT.
CAN HE IDENTIFY HIMSELF AGAIN, SIR? I, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR, OR WHAT YOUR TITLE WAS.
I, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE MIC'S ON? YEAH, I, MY NAME IS MARK ROSS.
I AM A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
I ALSO SIT ON THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODE APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT DOES, IT'S THE CODE GROUP OR THE BOARD THAT DOES ALL THE OTHER CODES BESIDES THE I-A-P-M-C, THE PLUMBING CODE, THE BUILDING CODE, THE FIRE CODE, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY MEETING NOW.
AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THE PROCESS WE UTILIZE IN THOSE, WHICH IS SHOULD BE OKAY.
HERE IS THE SAME PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE INPUT, WHERE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO THE BSB WITH OUR CHANGES OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S A MORE OPEN PROCESS ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED PARTIES AND CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE SIGN IN TO SPEAK? NO.
I THINK WE NEEDED TO FINISH CONSIDERING THE REST OF THE DATES.
UM, THE OTHER DATES THAT WERE IN QUESTION WERE DECEMBER 6TH AND DECEMBER 13TH, BOTH 2:00 PM BEFORE PM ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY STAY, THAT THEY ARE, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
AND THAT INCLUDES NOVEMBER 8TH, THE 13TH, THE 20TH SIXTH, AND THE 13TH OF DECEMBER.
IS THAT CORRECT? ALL OF THE DATES? CORRECT.
EXCEPT FOR OCTOBER 30TH, WE ALTERED.
SO, UM, NOVEMBER 8TH? NO, NOVEMBER 8TH.
DECEMBER 6TH AND DECEMBER 13TH.
SORRY, I THOUGHT THE, WE WERE ONLY CONSIDERING THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, BUT I WILL, UH, MODIFY MY MOTION TO INCLUDE ALL DATES AND KEEP THE TIMES THAT ARE NOTED MINUS THE OCTOBER 30TH DATE THAT WE JUST VOTED ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE SECOND CONCURS, YES.
I, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE DO ROLL CALL, CAN YOU REPEAT, UH, WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW? JUST, OH, YES.
UM, THE REMAINING DATES, UH, THAT HAVE SET FOR TWO TO 4:00 PM STAY AT TWO TO 4:00 PM THE EXCEPTION OF THE DATE THAT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON.
SORRY, I, MY MOTION WAS TO LEAVE THE REST OF THE DATES MINUS THE OCTOBER 30TH DATE.
UM, AS THEY'RE NOTED ON THE, THE CALENDAR THERE.
THE EXCEPTION OF OCTOBER 30TH, ALL THE REMAINING TWO TO 4:00 PM MEETINGS WILL STAY THE SAME.
AND THAT WAS ALREADY SECONDED.
NOW, IS THERE COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION AS FOR THE DISCUSSION, WE'RE JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW, NOVEMBER 8TH, NOVEMBER 13TH, NOVEMBER 20TH, DECEMBER 6TH, THEN DECEMBER 13TH.
AS IS RECORDED ON THE SPREADSHEET, ON THE, UH, PROJECTOR, THAT IS THE DATES THAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND THE TIMES THAT WE'RE VOTING FOR, CORRECT? THAT'S IT FOR ME.
UH, UH, LET'S JUST DO ALL, INSTEAD OF ROLL CALL, LET'S JUST DO, UH, UH, ALL OF PAPER.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY PASSES? AND MADAM CHAIR, WE'LL SEND OUT CALENDAR INVITES FOR EVERYBODY, SO THAT, THAT'S ON YOUR CALENDAR ALREADY.
SO LET'S MOVE BACK TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE DISCUSSION OF CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE FOUR, MINIMUM, MINIMUM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, AND PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT CODES.
ALL RIGHT, SO THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN.
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ALREADY GOT A COPY OF THE 2021 S-A-P-M-C AND A COPY OF THE 2024 IPMC, ALONG WITH THE, UM, SPREADSHEET THAT WAS RIGHT IN THE CORNER WHERE THERE WERE KAYLA SITTING.UM, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE HOMEWORK, RIGHT?
UM, SO AGAIN, SO JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED, SO WE'LL QUICKLY GO OVER, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A COUPLE THINGS YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ONE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A WORKING DOC THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE LAST TIME YOU RECALL, UH, WE USED A SPREADSHEET, UH, TO KIND OF TRACK OUR, OUR CHANGES.
WE'RE STILL GONNA BE USING THE SPREADSHEET TO TRACK THE CHANGES ON THE BACKEND, HOWEVER, WE WON'T BE USING THE SPREADSHEET TO PROJECT ON THE SCREEN.
I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE LAST TIME WAS THE, THAT THE TEXT OR THE FONT MAY HAVE BEEN TOO SMALL TO REALLY READ THROUGH.
SO WE'RE GONNA USE A, A LIVE DOC, IF YOU WILL, TO MAKE THE ADDITIONS OR THE EDITS IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT I KIND OF DO WANT TO KIND OF WALK BRIEFLY THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET FOR THOSE THAT, AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL ROWS AND COLUMNS WE'LL LOOK AT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST COLUMN WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE NUMBER, UH, IT JUST REALLY TRACKING HOW MANY AMENDMENTS WE HAVE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'VE ONLY INCLUDED, UH, THE 2024 IPMC AMENDMENTS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE S-A-P-M-C AND I, AND I SAY THAT WHEN IT MEANS APPLICABLE, BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING IN THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, IF ITSELF IS APPLICABLE TO THE S-A-P-M-C.
THERE ARE CERTAIN CODES THAT WE DID NOT ADOPT THE LAST TIME OR SEVERAL CYCLES PRIOR TO THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE USED TO ENFORCE, RIGHT? SO, AGAIN, YOU MAY SEE WHILE YOU GO THROUGH THIS AND START LOOKING AT IT, YOU MAY SEE OTHER SECTIONS OR OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGES, BUT YOU MAY NOT SEE THEM ON THE SPREADSHEETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPLY TO THE EXISTING S-A-P-M-C.
UM, THE SECOND COLUMN, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE SPREADSHEETS, INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA TRACK WHETHER THIS AMENDMENT OR PROPOSED CHANGE CAME IN FROM INTERNAL MEANING, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO OR DSD STAFF OR EXTERNAL FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC, IF YOU WILL.
OKAY? UM, THE NEXT COLUMN WOULD BE FURTHER CLARIFYING THE REASON FOR THE UPDATE, WHETHER IT'S A 2024 IPMC AMENDMENT, OR IF IT'S A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, WHETHER IT WAS INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL, AS WELL.
AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU'LL START SEEING THAT COLUMN, THAT RECOMMENDATION COLUMN.
WE'LL START ADDING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ONCE WE COMPLETE AND CLOSE THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
SO THE NEXT DOCUMENTATION YOU'LL SEE, UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SUBMITTING, UH, ALONG THE PROCESS HERE, WHETHER WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE 2024 IPMC OR RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE IPMC, RIGHT ALONG WITH SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH AS WELL.
AGAIN, ULTIMATELY A SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DECIDE, UH, WHETHER WE INCLUDE IT OR WE DO NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE PROCESS.
UM, SUMMARY OF CHANGE, UH, WE'LL JUST FURTHER CLARIFY WHETHER THIS IS THE NEW SECTION ENTIRELY OR IT'S A REVISION.
THAT'S JUST GONNA FURTHER CLARIFY, UH, THE EXISTING S-A-P-M-C.
AND THEN NEXT COLUMNS IS REALLY JUST OUTLINING THE CHAPTER, THE SECTION OF THE CODE, THE SECTION TITLE.
AND THEN WE KIND OF DIVE INTO REALLY WHERE THE 2021 S-A-P-M-C.
SO WE'VE COPIED REALLY THE EXISTING CODE ADDED TO THAT COLUMN.
AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS GONNA BE THE, UH, EITHER THE PROPOSED REVISION OR THE NEW SECTION UNDER THE 2024 IPMC.
THE COLUMN NEXT TO IS PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
THAT COLUMN IS GONNA BE FOR THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT COME THROUGH, UH, FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR FROM INTERNAL.
UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL ADD THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
THE LAST THREE COLUMNS, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOTES, DATES, AND, UH, PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
THOSE ARE JUST GENERAL NOTES THAT WE'LL BE INCLUDING AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ULTIMATELY, THE SECOND TO THE LAST COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS DATE COMMITTEE SUGGESTIONS, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE TRACKING THE DATE AND THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER WE SHOULD, UH, ACCEPT AS IS, DENY OR ACCEPT WITH MODIFICATIONS.
THOSE WERE, I BELIEVE, THE THREE OPTIONS THE LAST TIME THAT WE'RE ON THE TABLE.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION ENTIRELY OR DENY IT ENTIRELY OR ACCEPT WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE LAST COLUMN WOULD BE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE'LL BE ADDING TO THE 24 S-A-P-M-C.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING.
SO AGAIN, FOR HOMEWORK PURPOSES, IF YOU WILL, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO THE HEAVY LIFTING TODAY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE, UM, AMENDMENTS THAT ARE STILL, UM, THE OPTION, RATHER, IT HASN'T CLOSED JUST YET.
AND RATHER THAN KIND OF BACKTRACKING BACK AND FORTH, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE GET, WE'LL START THE PROCESS AT OUR NEXT MEETING FULLY KIND OF GET INTO THE CODE.
SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SPREADSHEET? I, AGAIN, I HOPE I CLARIFIED JUST, BUT ANY QUESTIONS? I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, JASON AND CLAY, NOT TO CALL YOU GUYS OUT.
I'M JUST, FIRST I'M LOOKING AT IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
THERE'S A LOT TO INGEST, SO THANK YOU.
AND, AND THANK ALL THIS WOULD BE, AGAIN, UPLOADED ONTO OUR ESSAY SPEAK UP PAGE AS WELL.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, WE'LL BE TRACKING IT WITH THE, UH, VERY BOTTOM OF REVISION DATE.
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UH, AND SO YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE NEXT, MAYBE OCTOBER 30TH WITH THE REVISION DATE.SO YOU'LL BE TRACKING 'EM THAT WAY AS WELL.
ON THIS, UH, COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS 2024 IPMC, SO WHERE IT'S ALREADY RED AND STRUCK OUT, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S ALREADY A DONE DEAL AND NO.
SO AGAIN, SO, UH, FOR COLOR CODING PURPOSES, SO AS I GET INTO THE IPMC, I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU SLIGHTLY WHAT THE RED AND BLUE MEAN.
UH, BUT BASICALLY IN THIS CASE HERE, THE BLUE MEANS IT'S A NEW SECTION TO THE CODE, RIGHT? UH, IT'S NOT IN THE EXISTING CODE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S A NEW SECTION THAT'S BEEN ADDED.
SO OUR, OUR WAY OF CATEGORIZING WOULD BE BLUE WOULD BE THE NEW SECTION.
RED WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS STRUCK OUT IN THE EXISTING CODE.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE TRACKED DOWN, THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK OUT IN THE CURRENT CODE AND THE EXISTING CODE AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, BLUE IS NEW SECTIONS, AND RED IS, UM, ANYTHING HAS BEEN STRUCK OUT OR DELETED RATHER FROM THE CODE.
ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE SPREADSHEET? NO.
SO THEN WE'LL QUICKLY, UM, DIVE INTO THE IPMC JUST FOR THOSE, AGAIN, THAT ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE FIRST TIME TO KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CODE PROCESS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES, UM, BEFORE YOU KIND OF REALLY DIVE INTO THE CODE ITSELF, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME MAJOR FORMATTING CHANGES TO THE IPMC.
UM, AS YOU LOOK ON PAGE ONE OF THE IPMC, UH, THEY'VE GONE, GONE AWAY FROM MARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY NORMALLY TRADITIONALLY HAVE TO ADDING QR CODES.
UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS REALLY TO, TO IMPROVE THE USER EXPERIENCE, I'M GONNA LET YOU GUYS DECIDE.
I'VE HEARD A COUPLE COMMENTS RIGHT NOW THAT THE QR CODE IS NOT REALLY, UH, USER FRIENDLY AND, AND SO, UH, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, THAT'S HOW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A RED LINE EDITION OR RED LINE VERSION.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE, THE FINAL PRODUCT HERE.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING WHAT WAS ADDED OR DELETED IN THE IPMC UNLESS YOU SCAN THE QR CODE.
OKAY? AND ONCE YOU DO SCAN THE QR CODE, IT WOULD REDIRECT YOU ON YOUR PHONE.
SO BASICALLY, IF YOU HAVE YOUR SMARTPHONE OR REDIRECT YOU, UH, TO THE ICC LINK, AND, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IN BLUE OR RED, UH, THE CHANGES, UH, IN THAT WAY.
OKAY? UH, ANOTHER THING THEY DID WAS THEY, AS YOU GUYS RECALL, IT USED TO BE, UH, DOUBLE COLUMNS NOW WITH SINGLE COLUMN AS WELL.
SO, AGAIN, JUST A FORMATTING ISSUE OR CHANGE, UH, THEY CHANGED THE FONT SLIGHTLY AND THEN AGAIN, UH, SOME SHADING AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND THE ICC CODE, OR RATHER THE QR CODE WAS THE BIG THING THAT THEY HAD IMPLEMENTED.
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE BOOK, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PREFACE SECTION ON PAGE TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT THE OVERALL ICC CODE PROCESS.
I WON'T READ THIS ENTIRELY, BUT BASICALLY IT SUMMARIZE, IT SAYS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE CODE ADOPTION PROCESS THAT WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED EARLIER, THAT THREE YEAR CYCLE THAT WE GO THROUGH EACH YEAR TO REVIEW THE CODES AND ADOPT THE MOST RECENT, UH, CODE AS WELL.
ON PAGE THREE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CO-DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UH, AND AGAIN, I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS AND READING IT WORD FOR WORD.
UH, PAGE FOUR, UM, IT SIZE TERMS. UM, THOSE ARE REALLY, WHEN IT'S A DEFINITION THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THE SECTION.
SO ANYTHING YOU SEE, UH, IN CHAPTER TWO, WHICH ARE DEFINITION SECTIONS, IF IT'S REFERENCING THE CODE SOMEWHERE, THE WORD OR THE TERM ITSELF WILL BE IZED IN THE CODE.
OKAY? SO AGAIN, IF YOU SEE SOME WORDS THAT ARE ITALICIZED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S A, UH, A DEFINITION THAT APPLIES, UM, TO THAT PARTICULAR TERM.
AND AS WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, IPMC ON PAGE FIVE, WE TALK ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENT AND THE FORMATTING OF THE IPMC.
UM, THE FIRST CHAPTER BEGINS WITH SCOP AND ADMINISTRATION.
UH, THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE WHERE MOST OF THE CONVERSATION WILL TAKE PLACE, UM, EVEN WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UM, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF OVERVIEW AS FAR AS WHEN'S IT APPLICABLE, HOW'S IT APPLICABLE, UH, TALKS ABOUT NOTIFICATION PROCESS, UM, UH, DIFFERENT SECTIONS ON HOW REALLY THE CODE ITSELF, IT'S NOT REALLY SPECIFIC TO A SECTION, BUT MORE OF A, JUST A GENERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE CODE ITSELF.
UH, THEN SECTION TWO WOULD BE THE DEFINITIONS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DEFINITIONS ARE KEPT IN CHAPTER TWO.
SO IF YOU'RE EVER LOOKING FOR DEFINITION, CHAPTER TWO WOULD BE YOUR REFERENCE POINT.
UH, GENERAL CHAPTER THREE IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE TALKING AT THAT POINT, REALLY THE EXTERIOR PROPERTY AND THE INTERIOR PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO, LET'S SAY, UH, STAIRS OR GUARDRAILS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S GONNA BE IN CHAPTER THREE, WHICH IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT.
AGAIN, THAT'S INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.
CHAPTER FOUR IS GONNA REALLY COVER LIGHT VENTILATION AND OCCUPATIONAL LIMITATIONS.
YOUR CHAPTER FIVE WILL BE YOUR PLUMBING SECTION.
CHAPTER SIX WILL BE MECHANICAL, AND THEN CHAPTER SEVEN WILL BE YOUR FIRE SAFETY PROTECTION, RIGHT? CHAPTER EIGHT IN R-S-A-P-M-C.
AND IN THE IPMC IS A REFERENCE STANDARD.
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WHERE WE ADOPT OR ADD ANY APPENDIX, UH, IF YOU WILL, IN REGARDS TO, UM, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A BOARDING STANDARD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND THOSE REFERENCES IN CHAPTER, UH, IN CHAPTER EIGHT.
UM, AS YOU READ THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE SUBSECTIONS HERE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE BOARDS OF APPEALS, FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU WON'T SEE THAT IN OUR CURRENT S-A-P-M-C BECAUSE THE APPEAL PROCESS FALLS UNDER CHAPTER SIX, UH, OF THE LOCAL CODE OR THE CITY CODE AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, AS WE MOVE ON, UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING TO THE IPMC? UM, NO.
AND AGAIN, AS IF WE LOOK, WE SWITCH OVER TO THE S-A-P-M-C, AGAIN, WE'VE TAKEN KIND OF, UM, I I WANNA SAY PROBABLY 80, 85% OF WHAT YOU KNOW IS IN THE IPMC AND ADDED IT TO OUR S-A-P-M-C.
UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PREFACE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT HISTORY, BUT WE START WITH A TABLE OF CONTENT, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN WE QUICKLY DIVE INTO THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS, IF YOU WILL.
AND IF YOU KIND OF FAST FORWARD TO THE BACK, YOU'LL SEE, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE SECTIONS THAT REFERENCE THE APPENDIX OR THE ATTACHMENTS RATHER.
UH, APPENDIX ONE A AND APPENDIX B, I'M SORRY.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE PMC IN, IN A NUTSHELL.
SO, AGAIN, UM, I, AGAIN, I JUST, I DIDN'T WANT US REALLY GET INTO THE, I I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN START TO GET INTO IT NOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO.
BUT I DID WANNA SHARE WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TRACKED ANY COMMENTS IN HERE THUS FAR, DANNY, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN SHARE WITH THEM HOW THE FORMAT IS GONNA BE.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE THE WORKING DOC THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK OFF OF.
SO AS I MENTIONED, SO AS YOU LOOK AT THIS DOC, AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE IN RED AND SOME IN BLUE.
SO IF YOU GO BACK, UH, AND WE JUST SO QUICKLY GO BACK.
SO THIS SECTION HERE IN SCOPE, RIGHT BELOW IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT SECTION IN BLUE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS 1 0 1 0.2 0.1 APPENDICES.
UH, THAT IS A SECTION THAT THE IPMC HAS ADOPTED AS A NEW SECTION.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE BRING FORWARD TO YOU TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, HERE'S A SECTION THAT THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED IN THE IPMC.
UH, WE'LL COME FORWARD WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S APPLICABLE TO OUR CODE OR NOT.
AND ULTIMATELY, YOU GUYS DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD INCLUDE IT OR NOT, RIGHT? BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT APPLICABLE, YOU GUYS WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN TO US WHY, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE DEFINITION OF WHY.
UM, BUT I MEAN, CARL, QUICK STEPPING BACK.
SO AGAIN, NOT EVERYBODY HAS, AND I, I HAVE A COPY HERE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY FOR, I'M, I'M IMAGINING AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON WHY A SECTION WAS ADDED OR WHY A SECTION WAS DELETED.
UH, WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THE 2024 CODING COMMENTARY.
UH, THIS IS A VERY HELPFUL BOOK THAT WE HAVE THAT WE USE TO REFERENCE ON WHY SECTION MAY HAVE BEEN ADDED OR DELETED.
THIS KIND OF EXPLAINS, UM, THE REASON FOR THE REVISION OR FOR THE FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
UH, SO AGAIN, I'LL HAVE THIS ON HAND.
UH, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS A FEW COPY IS A DYING OUT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT IN CASE WE GET, SO WE GET INTO THE REVIEW PROCESS.
IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE CHANGE, WE CAN ALWAYS REFERENCE THIS BOOK, UH, FOR SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, AS YOU SEE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SECTION.
EMILY, IF YOU DON'T MIND SCROLLING DOWN, UM, SOME OF THE SECTIONS THAT WE GO THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE I KEEP GOING, I'M SORRY.
SO AGAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, 1 0 4 0.2 EXISTING REMEDIES, UH, THE IPMC IS RECOMMENDING OR PROPOSING THAT WE CHANGE, UM, OR, AND, OR RATHER, AND OR, RIGHT.
SO THE IPMC STRUCK OUT THE WORD AND AND ADDED THE WORD OR, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE, I GUESS, RECOMMENDATION OR CHANGE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE CONSIDERING FOR THE IPMC.
NOW, THERE'S TWO WAYS WE CAN DO THIS.
LAST TIME WE DID IT, UH, WE ONLY CONSIDER REVIEWED RATHER THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
IF WE WANNA GO SECTION BY SECTION AND REVIEW EACH SECTION WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY I'LL LET YOU GUYS DECIDE.
WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE, I'M GUESSING AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 58 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS PLUS WHATEVER WE HAVE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO AGAIN, JUST FOR THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ULTIMATELY DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO GO SECTION FOR SECTION AND LOOK AT EACH SECTION OR JUST LOOK AT THOSE THAT, THAT ARE, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THE IPMC.
AS WE SCROLL DOWN SOME MORE, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER CHANGE THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO THE IPMC.
IT, IT MAY BE SOME CASES, IT MAY BE WORDSMITHING, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY CHANGING AND STRIKING OUT SOME, SOME LANGUAGE THERE AND ADDING SOME OTHER VERBIAGE.
UM, AS YOU KEEP GOING DOWN, YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, SEEMS RELATIVELY SIMPLE TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, FOR THE MOST PART THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING.
NOW IN THIS SECTION HERE, THIS ENTIRE SECTION IS NEW.
UM, HERE'S WHAT WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL FURTHER INPUT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE BASICALLY IT'S A NEW SECTION THAT THE IPMC IS INCLUDED FOR LEGAL DEFENSE.
UH, AND WE'LL DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHETHER
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WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT OR NOT.BUT ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS WOULD DECIDE AS FAR AS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE INCLUDE IF WE DO INCLUDE IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A GENERAL WAY WE'LL BE TRACKING, IF YOU WILL.
UH, SOME OF THE EDITS, THERE'LL BE LIVE EDITS THAT STAFF WILL BE DOING ON THE BACK END AS WE SPEAK.
AND SO, UM, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE TRACKING THE CHANGES ON THE SPREADSHEET AS WELL.
SO ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THIS IS, UM, WHEN YOU DO THE EDIT, IT CAN, CAN WE SCROLL DOWN TO THE LEGAL PIECE? I, I THINK BACK UP TO LEGAL DEFENSE, RIGHT THERE, WHEN YOU DO AN EDIT IN THERE AND YOU'RE DOING A LIVE EDIT, IS IT STILL GONNA SHOW UP THE COLOR OF THAT IS OR IS IT GONNA SHOW THAT BOLD? HOW'S IT GONNA SHOW THAT AS A EDIT? UH, SO THIS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, RIGHT? THAT IS BEING EDITED.
BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING LIVE CHANGES, IT'LL END UP LOOKING LIKE THE, THIS DOCUMENT, UM, WITH THE BLUE UNDERLINE.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE CHANGING THAT AND WE WANNA ADD SOMETHING EXAMPLE TO THAT, WILL IT CHANGE THAT OR WILL IT JUST ADD IN BOLD OR HOW'S IT GONNA ADD TO THAT TO MAKE IT, IT'S GONNA STILL BE THE, IT'S GONNA BE THE BLUE UNDERLINE, SO THAT'LL BE NEW ADDING TEXT TO, SO IT'LL JUST ADD THE WORDS AND JUST KEEP IT UNDERLINED.
IT'S NOT GONNA SHOW A DIFFERENT COLOR.
WE'LL MAKE LIVE EDITS IN THE MEETING.
AND THEN THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT Y'ALL AGREE ON AT EACH MEETING WILL BE POSTED ONLINE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SEE ON THE ESSAY SPEAK UP PAGE.
I'M JUST ON THE, UH, THIS IS CLAY THOMPSON ON THE, UH, ORDERING.
I GUESS Y'ALL ORDERED 'EM OFF OF WHEN THE AMENDMENT WAS PROPOSED FOR THESE INTERNAL ONES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY THE SECTION, IS THERE A REASON WHY THE SECTIONS KIND OF GO ALL OVER THE PLACE OR THEY'RE NOT NUMERICAL ORDER? ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE SPREADSHEET ITSELF? YEAH.
IT'S JUST IN THE ORDER THAT THEY WERE IN THE IPMC.
SO, UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PMC REVIEW, WE MADE SURE THAT WE TRIED TO PUT 'EM AS MUCH ORDER AS POSSIBLE.
NOW, UH, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE HELTER HELTER SKELTER.
BUT I, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD JUST GET LIKE STAFF, I KNOW THIS IS A, A PAIN IN THE BUTT, BUT, UM, UH, CAN WE GET ANOTHER FOR NEXT MEETING JUST WHERE THE SECTIONS ARE GROUPED TOGETHER SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE SECTIONS ARE BEING MODIFIED? YOU WANT THEM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER OF SECTION? UH, YEAH, AS A, AS A THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AGAIN, IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULDN'T GET INTO THE ACTUAL REVIEW UNTIL THE, WE RECEIVE ALL THE CODE AMENDMENTS.
UH, AGAIN, JUST TO AVOID ANY, UH, BACK AND FORTH AT THIS POINT OR BACKTRACKING ON SOME OF THE REVIEW.
SO AGAIN, UM, WITH THAT BEING INCIDENT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO KAYLA FOR CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GET INTO THIS NOW? OR WAIT, I'LL JUST SAY I, I AGREE THAT WE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL WE GET ALL THE CITIZENS.
'CAUSE I MEAN WE COULD BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A BACK AND FORTH ON SOMETHING SOMEONE RECOMMENDS THAT WE AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT IS AGAINST THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UH, LOOKING FOR A CLARIFICATION ON AS WE GET THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES IN, ARE, IS THE SPREADSHEET GONNA BE UPDATED AND IS THAT GONNA BE PROVIDED SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING? YES.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS, ONCE THIS CLOSES LATER ON THIS EVENING, WE WOULD INCLUDE ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED AND THEY'LL BE ADDED TO THE SPREADSHEET FOR THE OCTOBER 30TH MEETING.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR ME, THIS, THE SPEAK UP WEBSITE, I JUST PULLED IT UP THAT HAS THE EXCEL SHEET ON IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT'S GONNA BE UPDATED AFTER EVERY SINGLE MEETING? CORRECT.
WELL ACTUALLY THIS WORD DOCUMENT WILL BE POSTED ONLINE AS WELL BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE TEXT IS GONNA BE CHANGING.
THIS IS, THIS IS A TOOL TO HELP TRACK THE PROGRESS OF ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS.
AND THERE THIS LANGUAGE WILL BE UPDATED AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE UPDATING AND POSTING THAT LIVE DOCUMENT THAT Y'ALL ARE MAKING CHANGES IN AS WELL.
SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF HOLDING OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING, SAY AYE.
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UM, THE NEXT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, UH, WAS WHETHER WE WANTED TO GO SECTION BY SECTION OR, UM, ONLY THE EDITS.MADAM CHAIRMAN, I, I MAKE A MOTION TO DO, UH, ONLY AMENDMENTS, NOT SECTION BY SECTION ONLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST, UH, FOR THE FUTURE, UM, 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH Y'ALL RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN WE GET THERE.
UM, SO JUST IF WE CAN CHANGE IT AS NEEDED TO, UH, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS THAT WAY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THIS LINE FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT GOES AGAINST THIS LINE'S AMENDMENT THAT GOES AGAINST IN SLOTS AMENDMENT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, I, I WOULD SAY YES TO REVIEWING IT BY SECTION BUT IN THE FUTURE IF IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER IF WE REVIEWED BY THE ACTUAL IPMC CODE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, SO AS WE GO THROUGH AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ASK STAFF, UM, TO PULL UP OR GO BACK TO THAT.
SO, UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS NOT NECESSARILY VOTE AND CHANGE IT, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS ASK STAFF QUESTIONS SO THEY CAN GO IN DEEPER AND FURTHER INTO IT.
SO THE MOTION ON MADAM CHAIR, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE VOTING, VOTING ON RIGHT NOW IS TO JUST GO ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA NEED OR, UM, GOING THROUGH EACH ITEM THAT WILL GO THROUGH AN AMENDMENT VERSUS EVERY SINGLE THING.
REGARDLESS OF THE, OF THE NEEDING CORRECT, WE'RE ONLY GONNA GO THROUGH WHAT AMENDMENTS THEY HAVE PROPOSING CHANGES INSTEAD OF GOING SECTION BY SECTION BY SECTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS TODAY? NO MA'AM.
DOES ANY OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE? UH, IT IS 10:11 AM AND BY ANONYMOUS CON CONSENT WE ADJOURN.