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MORNING EVERYONE.[ Roll Call ]
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.UH, THIS IS THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODE, SUB APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD.
UH, TODAY WE'LL BE STARTING THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.
WE'LL START, UH, WITH AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR INTERPRETERS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETERS AVAILABLE.
IF THE REQUEST COMES IN PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.
JOE LEOS, SALVADOR GARCIA AND CORY PALMER.
ALL RIGHT, CHAIR, WE HAVE, UH, FIVE OUTTA THE NINE PRIMARIES PRESENT.
UH, NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
[ Approval of Minutes ]
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 17TH, 2024 SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEED FOR US TO LOOK AT A ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR MO OR ADDING, EVERYTHING'S STILL MARKING PRETTY WELL BENEFITED US TODAY.SO WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, GO AHEAD AND LET HIM GET SET UP WHILE WE PREP EVERYTHING FOR THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM.
I'LL NOTE THAT HE HAS JOINED US AT THE, AFTER THE MEETING MINUTES WERE READ.
SO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING, UH, DISCUSSIONS OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, UH, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR TO, UH, GO OVER THE TECHNICAL REVIEW OF THOSE CODES.
SO YOU GUYS KNOW JASMINE AND I, AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, MIKE CONSTANTINO ADMINISTRATOR IN OUR INSPECTION DIVISION IS HERE AS WELL.
AND OUR CHIEF INSPECTOR OF OUR COMBINATION TEAM, GREG LAYMAN, WE ALSO HAVE JOE PARDO AND MARI KAYER, UM, SENIOR REVIEWERS ON OUR RESIDENTIAL REVIEW TEAM.
ROBERT CIGAR, JAMES ROPER, UM, INSPECTORS ON THE COMBINATION TEAM.
SO WE GOT A PACKED HOUSE FOR COOL, UH, FOR DSC AND LOTS OF KNOWLEDGE HERE THAT WE CAN TAP INTO ANYTIME.
SO I, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT FOR THE IRC THAT WE ADOPT CHAPTERS TWO THROUGH 10.
SO THOSE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, THOSE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR SUMMARY.
THAT'S FOR THE MECHANICAL PORTIONS OF THE IIRC.
SO WE'LL REVIEW THOSE PORTIONS WITH THE MECHANICAL SUBCOMMITTEE SECTION P 29 0 4, UH, CHAPTERS 44 AND APPENDICES.
UM, THAT WE WILL, UM, THE, THE LETTERS CHANGED.
SO INSTEAD OF JKQ, IT'S B, BO, BG AND BB.
SO WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST ITEM.
THIS IS A, A CHANGE TO FIGURE R 3 0 1 0.23 FOR THE GROUND SNOW LOADS.
SO YOU GUYS, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE BUILDING CODE, UH, THE GROUND SNOW LOAD INCREASED FROM FIVE TO SIX PSF AND THAT IS TO CORRELATE WITH THE A SCE SEVEN.
SO WE SAW A LOT OF THOSE, A LOT OF ITEMS UPDATED DUE TO THE UPDATES TO THE A SC OR OR TO THE CURRENT ADDITION OF, UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WE DON'T REALLY SEE A BIG IMPACT FOR SAN ANTONIO AS, AS THE SNOW LOADS DON'T REALLY DRIVE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, DESIGN, STRUCTURAL DESIGN.
WE ARE IN 3 0 2 FOR FIRE RESISTANT CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE CHANGE FOR R 3 0 2 0.1 WAS FOR EXTERIOR WALLS.
SO THIS IS, UM, FOR THE, IT REALLY IDENTIFIES THE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE.
SO THE PORTIONS THAT WERE ADDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING FIRE SEPARATION, DISTANCE DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOUSE TOWNHOUSES ON THE SAME LOT SHALL BE ASSUMED TO HAVE AN IMAGINARY LINE BETWEEN THEM.
WHERE A NEW DWELLING OR TOWNHOUSE IS TO BE ERECTED ON THE SAME LOT
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AS AN EXISTING DWELLING OR TOWNHOUSE.THE LOCATION OF THE ASSUMED IMAGINARY LINE WITH RELATION TO THE EXISTING DWELLING OR TOWNHOUSE SHALL BE, SHALL BE SUCH THAT THE EXISTING DWELLING OR TOWNHOUSE MEETS REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION.
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW WE HAVE APPLIED THE FIRE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE'RE JUST SEEING MORE AND MORE SINGLE LOT DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO IT'S GOOD THAT THEY PUT THIS IN JUST TO DIRECT DESIGNERS, UH, BUILDERS TO THIS REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE DO HERE, UH, IN REVIEW OR INSPECTIONS.
THIS IS ALWAYS HOW WE HAVE APPLIED THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
I'M ACTUALLY DOING ONE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAD, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CODE REALLY DETERMINES, UH, SO LIKE AN ISSUE I'M HAVING AT THE MOMENT WHERE THERE'S MULTI MULTI OWNERS OF A SINGLE BUILDING AND IF ONE OWNER'S NOT ABLE TO GET INVOLVED, THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO HAVE I I HAVE TO DO WHAT? IT SOUNDS LIKE DEED RESTRICTIONS, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THE CODE'S TAKING THAT INTO EFFECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANY PARTICULAR PARTS? 'CAUSE WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF THESE WHERE THE SINGLE LOTS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS THREE, THREE STORIES, FOUR UNITS.
SO, UM, THIS IS NOT REALLY A CHANGE FROM THE CODE BEFORE, IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION.
IF I, MY UNDERSTANDING, YES, IT'S MUCH MORE DIRECT LANGUAGE.
UM, BUT THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE REQUIREMENT, THE INTERPRET WHAT, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY DIRECT HERE.
LETTING DESIGNERS KNOW, UH, BUILDERS KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE IMAGINARY LOT LINE WHERE IT SHOULD BE PLACED, UH, AND HOW IT SHOULD BE, UH, REVIEWED AND INTERPRETED.
THIS IS FOR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO THESE SECTIONS SPEAK TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RATED SEPARATION IN A DUPLEX.
AND THE CHANGES ARE LARGELY EDITORIAL.
UH, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH THOSE JUST SO YOU CAN SEE.
UH, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME ITEMS. SO MM-HMM.
SO THE NEXT SECTION SAYS THAT SH THEY SHALL BE SEPARATED BY FIRE RESISTANT RATED ASSEMBLIES THAT ARE VERTICAL, HORIZONTAL, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF.
AGAIN, JUST MORE DIRECT LANGUAGE.
PREVIOUSLY IT SAID LIKE FLOOR CEILING ASSEMBLY OR WALL ASSEMBLY.
NOW IT SAYS VERTICAL HORIZONTAL OR, UH, BOTH THE FIRE RESISTANT RATING SHALL THE SEPARATION OF HOW THE SHALL HAVE A FIRE RESISTANCE RATING OF AN HOUR OR HALF AN HOUR.
IF IT'S SPRINKLED, THE FIRE RESISTANCE RATING SHALL BE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING TESTING OR THE IBC.
IT TALKED ABOUT CON IT TALKS ABOUT CONTINUITY.
IT SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A MANNER THAT PROVIDES CONTINUITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN, AGAIN, JUST MORE DIRECT LANGUAGE.
BUT THEY TOOK, THEY TOOK SIX SENTENCES AND MADE IT SIX DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
SO IT'S, UH, AGAIN, BASIC, BASICALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE.
UH, THE HORIZONTAL ASSEMBLIES SHALL EXTEND TO AND BE TIED AGAINST THE EXTERIOR WALLS.
THAT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE WE SAW BEFORE.
VERTICAL ASSEMBLIES SEPARATING DWELLING UNIT SHALL EXTEND TO AND BE TIED AGAINST ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING.
THE FOUNDATION OR HORIZONTAL ASSEMBLY.
THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ROOF SHEATHING THE CEILING BENEATH AN UNINHABITED ATTIC.
THAT'S NUMBER FOUR IS SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
HOW IS THIS MAKING THE CODE BETTER TO TURN FIVE SENTENCES INTO FIVE PARAGRAPHS? LIKE IS THIS, IS THIS ACTUALLY CLARIFYING ANYTHING OR IS THIS JUST THAT THE IRC HAS PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO WRITE AND THEY'RE GONNA WRITE BY GOD, THEY WANNA MAKE THE BOOK BIGGER? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE INTENT.
UM, I THINK IT, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE GOOD ADS BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIRECT.
SO IT LEAVES LITTLE, LITTLE ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION, WHICH IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS PROBABLY EXPERIENCE THAT WE'RE SO AMAZING HERE.
SO YOU DON'T FEEL THAT, UH, THAT WE MISINTERPRET THE CODE, BUT IT REALLY LAYS IT OUT.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S LITTLE ROOM FOR ERROR IN THE INTERPRETATION
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OF THE CODE.AND I'M SORRY, I HAVE ANOTHER JUST GENERAL QUESTION.
SO HOW DOES THIS APPLY? SO, UM, THERE ARE DUPLEX BUILDINGS IN THE CITY, UM, AND THE COUNTY, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ONES IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS ON EACH SIDE OF THE LINE.
RIGHT? SO IF ONE, UM, IF ON ONE SIDE THEY WANNA DO A MAJOR PROJECT, BUT I'M NOT DOING A MAJOR PROJECT, SO THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT BRINGING UP TO THIS CODE.
SO TO, FOR THE FIRE SEPARATION WALLS BETWEEN THE, THE SIZE OF THE DUPLEX, LIKE EVERYTHING WOULD BE ON THEM.
SO THOSE SHOULD ALREADY EXIST.
THE FIRE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A LONG, A LONG TIME.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK THAT THEY OPEN THAT WALL BETWEEN THE DWELLING UNITS TO DETERMINE IT'S A, IF IT'S A RATED WALL, WE WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WAS BUILT LEGALLY AND THAT THAT WALL IS RATED.
UM, AND THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A REASON WITHOUT THE OTHER ADJOINING DWELLING UNIT'S PERMISSION THAT THEY TOUCH THAT WALL.
SO ANY RENOVATION, UM, REALLY SHOULDN'T, UH, IMPACT WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE REQUIRING.
SO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACTUAL CHANGE IN THE REQUIREMENTS, JUST THE WAY WE'RE PRESENTED? CORRECT.
ITEM FOUR IS FOR R 3 0 2 0.3 0.5 FOR VERTICAL STACKED DWELLING UNITS WHERE ONE DWELLING UNIT AND A TWO FAMILY DWELLING IS LOCATED ABOVE THE OTHER.
AND AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS NOT PROVIDED IN BOTH UNITS.
BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY.
THAT HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL SEPARATION, INCLUDING AN INTERIOR STAIRWAY SERVING AS A MEANS OF EGRESS FOR THE UPPER DWELLING UNIT, SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A MANNER THAT LIMITS THE TRANSFER OF SMOKE.
THIS SECTION AND THE NEXT SECTION ARE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
UM, REALLY JUST THE, THE STACK DUPLEXES ARE, UH, MORE HAZARDOUS THAN THE SIDE BY SIDE.
UH, SO IN ADDITION TO THE FIRE RATED SEPARATION, THAT SMOKE SEPARATION IS BEING REQUIRED FOR WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, INCLUDING THE INTERIOR STAIRWAY.
AND ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A NOTIFICATION APPLIANCE CONNECTED TO SMOKE ALARMS AND THE OTHER DWELLING UNIT SHALL BE PROVIDED IN EACH DWELLING UNIT.
SO THESE ARE FOR STACKED, UH, SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE DID NOT SEE THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE, LIKE A TYPICAL SIDE BY SIDE.
UH, BUT THIS IS NEW FOR THOSE VERTICALLY STACKED DWELLING UNITS.
SO BRIAN SMITH, SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, JUST RUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, SO IF YOU HAD ONE THAT WAS, UM, SORRY, DOING, UH, WORK ON A PARTICULAR UNIT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT ONE UP TO CODE.
BUT THIS IS SAYING ALSO THE OTHER UNIT.
SO IF THEY WERE DOING IT, WOULD IT IF TO ENCROACH INTO THE OTHER UNIT IF IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD CONNECTING SMOKE ALARMS? SO THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO RENOVATION, SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA BE SURE AS FAR AS CODE WISE, DOES IT, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW I'M READING THAT INTENT IS IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ON ONE, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, UM, THAT WOULD THEN ENCROACH INTO THE OTHER PERSON'S SPACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD PASS.
SO, UM, INSPECTIONS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE VERIFYING THAT THE SMOKE ALARMS IN THE OTHER DWELLING UNIT, UH, ARE CONNECTED IF THEY'RE RENOVATING ONE DWELLING UNIT ONLY, I WOULD THINK BECAUSE IT'S, HEY, YOU USE YOUR MIC.
YEAH, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN GO AHEAD.
GREG LEHMAN, UH, CHIEF CONDO INSPECTOR, UM, RENOVATIONS, UM, ARE TYPICALLY DIFFERENT THAN EXISTING.
SO WE WOULD INSPECT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING IN ONE UNIT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE DIFFERENT UNITS, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BASICALLY GO TELL THE OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT JUST READING THE CODE HERE, IT, IT, IT SAYS TO THE OTHER DWELLING UNIT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I JUST, NOW THAT THEY'RE BEING VERY, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH AS FAR AS THE CODE, WHAT WE WERE TALKING WITH EARLIER, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE HOW THAT INTERPRETATION OR WHAT, AS FAR AS FOR OUR CITIZENS, THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPART SOMEBODY ELSE WHO OWNS SOMETHING AND MAKING THEM DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR, SO HOW DO WE NEED TO, SO YOUR, YOUR INTERPRETATION ON THIS IS, IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CODE SAYS THIS, IS THERE ANY POINT THAT IT WOULD COME TO IT, IT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT AN AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING, OR, HEY, UH, CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE HAVE TO, ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT
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OF DISCERNMENT ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF AND IF IT, BECAUSE ALL PROJECTS WILL BE DIFFERENT AND IF SOMETHING COMES UP, DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE OF THE CHANGE IN REMODEL THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.AND IF THERE WAS AN OPPOSITION, IT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND THEN WE WOULD RENDER A DECISION ON THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? MY UNDERSTANDING? YES.
I JUST WANT TO CUT IT OUT, MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
SO I, I AGREE AS FAR AS IN THE UNIT ITSELF SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE IF WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, EASILY, IF WE'RE DOING 50% OR SUCH, WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THE NEW CODE.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT, IT, IT IS NOT GONNA ENCROACH UPON SOMEBODY ELSE'S, UM, HOUSE THAT IF IT WOULD HELP.
AND IF WE'RE DOING NEW, I CAN UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SO, OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INTERPRETATION.
YEAH, AND THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC PROVISIONS FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES.
WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE GET INTO LIKE CEILING HEIGHTS, WHERE YOU'RE TURNING AN ATTIC INTO A HABITABLE SPACE.
SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS FOR EXISTING.
UM, SO WE WOULD NOT APPLY THIS TO, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS UNLESS IT'S SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM, R 3 0 2 0.3 0.6 FOR SHARED ACCESSORY ROOMS. SO THIS, THIS SECTION AND THE FOLLOWING TABLE, UM, AND WELL, THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS ALL FOR 3 0 2 0.3 0.6, UM, ARE FOR SHARED ACCESSORY ROOMS. IT JUST STATES THAT THEY SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM EACH DWELLING UNIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT TABLE.
AND THE OPENINGS BETWEEN THE ACCESSORY ROOMS AND THE DWELLING UNIT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS.
UM, AND THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS, THE OPENING PROTECTION, DUCT PENETRATION, OTHER PENETRATIONS, THEY'RE THE SAME AS FOR A GARAGE.
SO IT'S REALLY TREATING THE SHARED ACCESSORY ROOMS. SO RE REMEMBER, WE'RE UNDER TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO IF THOSE TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS HAVE A SHARED ACCESSORY ROOM, IT SHALL BE SEPARATED SIMILAR TO A GARAGE.
SO IN THE TABLE FOR THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE ATTIC, UH, THEY SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM THAT ACCESSORY.
THE ACCESSORY ROOM SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE ATTIC, UH, WITH NOT LESS THAN HALF INCH GBOARD OR EQUIVALENT.
THE SHARED ACCESSORY ROOM SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM HABITABLE ROOMS ABOVE OR BELOW THE ACCESSORY ROOM WITH FIVE H FIVE EIGHTS TYPE X CHIPBOARD.
IT IS FUNNY THAT OF ALL THE CODE NAME, OH, MY, MY NAME'S MIKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS COMMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO S WAS WHEN THEY WROTE THIS, BUT LIKE, THEY CALLED HIM OUT AND DID THE MATH FORM ON THIS OR HER, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN THE CODE YOU SEE THE, THE MATH CONVERSION DONE.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM R 3 0 2 POINT 13, FIRE PROTECTION OF FLOORS.
SO THERE WAS A NEW EXCEPTION ADDED.
UM, IT'S FOR DETACH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH NO HABITABLE SPACE ABOVE THEM.
SO FOR THIS SECTION, FIRE PROTECTION OF FLOORS JUST STATES THAT THE FLOOR ASSEMBLIES THAT AREN'T REQUIRED SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE FIRE RESISTANT RATED SHALL HAVE EITHER HALF INCH GIB WALLBOARD, FIVE EIGHTHS INCH WOOD STRUCTURAL PANEL MEMBRANE OR EQUIVALENT, EXCEPT IN THESE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, WHICH NOW INCLUDES THE WOOD FLOOR ASSEMBLIES LESS THAN 600 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THAT DETACH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IF THERE'S NO HABITABLE SPACE ABOVE.
SO IT'S YOUR MAN CAVE, YOUR OFFICE IN THE BACK DETACHED ACCESSORY.
SO AGAIN, JUST A, A NEW EXCEPTION ADDED TO THE LIST.
SO THIS SECTION WAS RELOCATED FROM THREE 16.
THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT KIND OF IDENTIFIED THAT SEVERAL SECTIONS THAT APPEARED LATER IN THE CODE ARE NOW AT THE FRONT OF THE CODE.
3 0 3, 3 0 4, 3 0 5, AND 3 0 6.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY MAKE THOSE CHANGES EITHER, MIKE.
SO YOU, WE SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION, BUT THESE TWO SECTIONS ARE NEW.
3 0 3, 1 0.1 AND 1.2 FOR SPRAY, FOAM SPRAY, APPLIED FOAM PLASTIC, SINGLE AND MULTIPLE COMPONENTS.
SPRAY APPLIED FOAM PLASTIC INSTALLATION SHALL COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION.
SO THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL, UM, IN ICC 1100.
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THE MATERIAL STANDARDS.SO THESE ITEMS SHALL APPLY WITH THIS SECTION.
AND NUMBER A TO KIND OF HIT, UH, TOUCHED ON THAT.
SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BLUE, BUT A LOT OF JUST, UH, RELOCATION IN THIS CHAPTER.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER NINE.
WE ARE IN THREE 10 FOR SMOKE ALARMS, WHICH WAS THREE 14.
THE ONLY THING THEY ADDED WAS THAT THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE SMOKE ALARMS AND COMBINATION SMOKE AND CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS SHALL BE INSTALLED WITH THE LISTING AND THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS.
R THREE, 10.3 AND THREE 10.3 0.1, THE LOCATION OF THOSE SMOKE ALARMS. SO THE LOCATION THREE 10.3, THERE WAS AN, AN ADDITIONAL ITEM IDENTIFIED THOSE SO THE SMOKE ALARM SHALL BE INSTALLED IN ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, DURING THE BUILDING CODE, WE TALKED ABOUT SLEEPING LOFTS, RIGHT? WE ADOPTED THAT APPENDIX.
SO YOU'LL SEE A NEW SECTION IN THE IRC FOR SLEEPING LOFTS.
SO THEY IDENTIFIED WHERE THE SMOKE ALARM SHOULD GO, UH, IN RELATION TO A SLEEPING LOFT.
WE KIND OF HAVE IT, UH, UM, IN THE SLEEPING ROOM, OUTSIDE THE SLEEPING ROOM.
AND, AND NOW THEY'VE JUST ADDED SLEEPING LOFT.
R THREE 10.3 0.1, UH, THERE WERE SOME REVISIONS HERE.
THOSE SMOKE ALARMS SHALL BE INSTALLED AT LEAST 10 FEET HORIZONTALLY FROM THE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED COOKING APPLIANCE.
THEY REMOVED THE EXCEPTIONS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SPECIFIC, THE IONIZED SMOKE, THE PHOTOELECTRIC SMOKE ALARM, AND JUST SAID, HEY, THESE SMOKE ALARMS, UM, IT'S JUST ALL SMOKE ALARMS NOW.
AND SO THIS EXCEPTION THAT YOU SEE FOR, UH, ALLOWING IT TO BE INSTALLED, NOT LESS THAN SIX FEET, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED.
SO THEY JUST TOOK OUT THREE EXCEPTIONS, UM, AND LEFT THIS, THIS ONE HERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A CHANGE, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE SAME VERBIAGE, MR. CHAIR.
UM, THIS IS MY CRYSTAL OR ANYBODY IN THE CITY, HOW WOULD WE, GOING BACK TO THE, EXCEPT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF, NOT LESS THAN 10 FEET, 3048 MILLIMETERS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SPECIFIC DISTANCES.
AND THEN FOR THE LOFT IT SAYS IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
SO HOW WOULD WE DEFINE IMMEDIATE VICINITY? UH, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO WHERE TO WHERE TO PUT THIS? THIS IS CHIEF LEHMAN AGAIN.
SO BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SMOKE ALARMS, SMOKE DETECTORS, UM, COMBOS, UH, SAME VERBIAGE WHERE IT'S GOTTA BE.
SO IF YOU HAVE THREE BEDROOMS IN A SMALL HALLWAY, ONE COMBO WOULD SERVE ALL THREE OF THOSE.
UM, SO IMMEDIATE VICINITY KIND OF GRAY, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OUT OF THAT HALLWAY UNLESS, OF COURSE THERE'S LIKE A, UM, A DUCT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT THAT SMOKE DETECTOR.
SO WE WANNA BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT IT BEING AFFECTED BY SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH FOR THE SLEEPING LOFT IS, UM, BUT THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, SO, I MEAN, I, I WONDER IF WE SHOULD AMEND SOME SPECIFICITY INTO IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE WRITTEN A LOT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE OTHER THINGS WHERE WE TOOK A PARAGRAPH AND TURNED IT TO FIVE BECAUSE WE WERE BEING MORE IT TO FIVE BECAUSE WE WERE BEING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THINGS.
IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD DO HERE, RIGHT? BRIAN SMITH ACTUALLY IN THE CODE IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, IT WOULD BE NOT LESS THAN UH, THREE FOOT.
SO IT'D BE WITHIN A THREE FOOT RANGE AS FAR AS FROM THE OPENING NUMBER FOUR.
I KNOW IT'S FOR A BATHROOM, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO KEEP IT.
YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SPECIFIC, I'M SAYING SAYING SPECIFICITY AS FAR AS WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FROM AN OPENING, YOU CAN'T GO TOO FAR INTO THE OPENING, BUT IF YOU'RE AT LEAST THREE FOOT, YEAH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THREE FOOT FROM THE EDGE OF A SLEEPING LINE.
WELL, NUMBER TWO ALSO SAYS OUTSIDE EACH SEPARATE SLEEPING AREA IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, RIGHT, OF THE BEDROOM, I MEAN WE, THAT'S THE HALLWAY WE DO USE LIKE TYPICALLY A THREE FOOT BECAUSE THAT IS PER THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S A FAN OR A VENT, A REGISTER, CORRECT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NEED TO BE MOVED A LITTLE.
SO TO KIND OF LIMIT IT TO IT HAS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN FEET, MAY, MAY BE, UM, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF YOU START PUTTING THE SPASTICITY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS WHEN DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN.
SO, UM, R THREE 11, THIS IS FOR CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS.
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UH, SAME THING FOR INSTALLATION, THAT THOSE ALARMS SHALL BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LISTING AND THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS.SO WE'RE ON ITEM 12 FOR R THREE 13, 0.1 0.2.
SO THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE ADDED THIS NEW SECTION FOR HABITABLE ATTICS AND BASEMENTS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO JUST SOME RELAXED REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE CEILING HEIGHTS WHERE YOU'RE TURNING YOUR ATTIC INTO A HABITABLE SPACE.
THIS IS THE NEW SECTION FOR SLEEPING LOFTS.
SO WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THESE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE APPENDIX.
AGAIN, JUST RELAX REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE, WHERE YOU'RE ADDING IN OR WHERE YOU'RE CREATING A SLEEPING LOFT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT THERE, THE AREA.
SO WHAT QUALIFIES AS A SLEEPING LOFT? UM, THE EGRESS, THE STAIRS AND TREADS, LANDINGS AND LADDERS.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WANNA TAKE A SECOND TO READ, READ THIS A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THIS DIMENSIONS, YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST STARTS TO DEFINE AS A DEFINITION OF SLEEPING LOFT DEPTH OF LESS THAN THREE FEET.
A FLURRY OF LESS THAN 35 SQUARE FEET.
SO I WAS SAYING INSTEAD OF A SLEEPING LOFT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS SECTION, UM, IF YOU'RE LESS THAN THREE FEET OR 35 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS FOR SLEEPING LOFTS.
NOW, CRYSTAL, IS THERE A, A DEFINITION AT THE FRONT OF THE IRC ON SLEEPING LOFTS? WHAT, YES.
SO THE IRC DEFINES SLEEPING LOFTS, SLEEPING LOFT AS A SPACE DESIGNED FOR SLEEPING OR AN IMMEDIATE LEVEL OR LEVELS BETWEEN THE FLOOR AND CEILING OF A STORY OPEN ON ONE OR MORE SIDES TO THE ROOM IN WHICH THE SPACE IS LOCATED.
SO KIND OF LIKE A MEZZANINE, BUT YOU KNOW, HEY, IF YOU'RE SLEEPING THERE, PUT YOUR SMOKE ALARM.
MAKE SURE, SO THIS IS MY, I I'VE GOT A CONCERN JUST ON THIS.
A I I GUESS IT'S MORE ABOUT R THREE 13.12 BECAUSE IT EXISTS, IT, IT, UM, APPLIES TO EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC CASE OF A HOME THAT, UH, HAS, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN THE, PROBABLY, I DUNNO, BEFORE THE FIFTIES.
UM, AND THE ATTIC HAD BEEN CONVERTED INTO A LIVING SPACE.
PROBABLY DOESN'T MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN IN USE LIKE THAT.
WHEN I'M, AND I'M GETTING READY TO REMODEL THE HOME, THIS IS GONNA FORCE ME TO DROP THE FLOOR PLATE TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT AS A SLEEPING AREA.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THESE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT WOULD THEY WANT TO DO? I REMODEL THAT AREA.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE HOUSE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING.
SO BASICALLY, UM, IF IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION, THERE IS A PROVISION AND CORRECT ME WITH THE CHIEF INSPECTOR AND, AND CRYSTAL, IF YOU AVERAGE THE HEIGHT, SO IT SAYS 50% YEAH, THAT WORKS TOO.
IF YOU CAN GET ANY ON AN AVERAGE MIC OF THAT.
DOES THAT, I, I'D HAVE TO GO MEASURE, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING BY DOING THIS IS WE'RE TAKING, AND THIS IS, THIS IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF LIKE TECHNICAL BUILDING CODE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A, IN A CITY AND IN A STATE AND A COUNTRY WHERE HOUSING IS A, A PROBLEM, RIGHT? UM, THIS COULD IN EFFECT BE TAKING SOME LIVING SPACE OUT OF CIRCULATION IF I CAN'T REMODEL IT THAT WAY, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE WHEN WE ADOPT NEW THINGS LIKE THIS IS, UM, ON EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS, UM, IT HAS REAL EFFECT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD RATHER, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE A AVERAGE 50, YOU KNOW, FI WHATEVER THE THING IS, AND HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE THAN, UM, THAN NOT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON THINGS LIKE THIS THAT SEEM GOOD THEY'RE WRITTEN IN, BUT THERE ARE REAL WORLD DOWNSTREAM
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EFFECTS THAT, THAT THIS KIND OF THING HAS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING, IF I HAVE TO DROP THE FLOOR PLATE OF THE, OF THE, YOU KNOW, OF, OF THE ATTIC DOWN, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS COST.OR ADDING A DORMER OR SOMETHING.
SO, BUT IT, THE, THE BIGGEST THING I THINK FROM READING IS, IS THEY'RE GIVING SOME ALLOWANCES.
REALLY YOU WANT THAT LEAST SIX FOOT FOUR FOR IT TO BE USABLE SPACE.
BUT EVEN IF YOU'RE USING A SLOPE CEILING WHERE THEY'RE LESS, AS LONG AS 50% IS AT LEAST AT SIX FOOT FOUR, UM, THEN IT MEETS THAT CODE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S GRANDFATHER.
UH, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO MAJOR PERMIT.
YOU HAVE TO DO A MAJOR RENOVATION FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY, FOR THIS, FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY GO INTO EFFECT.
AND THIS WOULDN'T GO INTO EFFECT TILL NEXT YEAR ANYWAY.
BUT, UM, THE INTENT, THE INTENT I SEE IN HERE IS STILL CORRECT 'CAUSE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP A MAJORITY OF IT TO WHERE IT'S USABLE SPACE AT THAT HEIGHT.
UH, AND THE CODE IS PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THAT THROUGHOUT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WANT.
AND MY COMMENT IS THAT THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN WRITE A CODE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE ANOMALIES OR THE RARE EXCEPTION CASES.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE IT FOR MOST OF EVERYTHING IN GENERAL.
AND IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR ISSUE YOU HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, I STILL, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE CITY AND AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE THAT.
I JUST, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING EXISTING BUILDINGS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ANOMALY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HOUSING STOCK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE LIVE IN IS OLDER HOUSES.
UM, AND SO I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW BUILDINGS, OBVIOUSLY, IS WHEN WE STICK IN EXISTING BUILDINGS HERE, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS.
AND, AND THAT HOUSE IS NOT GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, I DO LOT OF THESE THINGS.
SO FOR ME, I'VE SEEN IT, BUT, BUT THE INTENT ON THIS IS, YEAH, FOR ME, INTERPRETING IS CORRECT.
GENTLEMEN, WHAT WOULD BE THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION THEN, IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? CAN I JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK? YEAH.
SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS SECTION THAT RELAXES THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND NOW YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR STORAGE TO NOW HABITABLE SPACE, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE FULL CODE.
SO THIS IS RELAXING THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU'RE CREATING THAT HABITABLE ATTIC.
OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE FULL CEILING HEIGHTS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I JUST ADVERTISED IT AS A FOUR BEDROOM INSTEAD OF A FIVE BEDROOM.
AND YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE HOUSE WHAT YOU WANNA DO ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU GET IN THERE, YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
THAT, THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE WORLD YOU WOULD
THE NEXT ITEM 14 IS FOR THE NEW SECTIONS R THREE, 17.6 AND THREE 17.7.
SO WE'RE IN GARAGES AND CARPORTS.
THIS SAYS FOR ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH UH, NFPA 70.
SO THAT'S THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE.
THOSE CHARGING SYSTEM EQUIPMENT SHALL BE LISTED AND LABELED PER THAT UL SECTION.
AND THE VEHICLE SUPPLY EQUIPMENT SHALL BE LISTED AND LABELED.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA INSTALL A LIFT, UM, DON'T DO IT WITHIN A HABIT SPACE OR DWELLING UNIT.
AND UH, IT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ANSI STANDARD.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM R THREE, 18.7 0.6 FOR LANDINGS.
SO IT, THIS SECTION ADDED SOME NEW EXCEPTIONS WHICH PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DESIGN OPTIONS FOR LANDING AT STAIRS.
SO LANDINGS ARE REQUIRED AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM OF A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.
EXCEPTION ONE TALKS ABOUT THAT LANDING IN THE ENCLOSED GARAGE.
SO ITEM EXCEPTION TWO SAYS THAT THAT LANDING SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE NOT MORE THAN SEVEN AND THREE FOUR INCHES BELOW THE TOP OF THE THRESHOLD IN THE GARAGE.
THAT LANDINGS AT EXTERIOR DOOR, AT EXTERIOR DOORS, THAT TOP LANDINGS NOT REQUIRED FOR AN EXTERIOR STARE.
NOT MORE THAN TWO RISERS AND EXTERIOR STAIRS TO GRADE WITH THREE OR FEWER RISERS SERVING A DECK, PORCH OR PATIO SHALL HAVE A BOTTOM LANDING WIDTH OF NOT LESS THAN 36 INCHES, PROVIDED THAT THE STAIRWAYS NOT REQUIRED ACCESS TO GRADE.
SO AGAIN, ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS FOR WHEN THE LANDING IS REQUIRED.
NEXT ITEM NUMBER 16 IS FOR R THREE 18.7 0.9 STAIRWAYS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS.
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TO EXISTING STAIRS SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CODE, WHERE THE EXISTING SPACE AND CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A REDUCTION IN PICTURE SLOPE.SO JUST ADD SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHICH WE REALLY WOULD NOT BE ENFORCING THE REQUIREMENTS OF NEW STAIR TREAD AND SLOPE FOR EXISTING STAIRWAYS.
SO R THREE 19.1, EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS REQUIRED.
SO THIS SECTION WAS REVISED TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING TO OPEN TO A YARD OR COURT HAVE A MINIMUM HAVING A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 36 INCHES INCHES THAT OPENS TO A PUBLIC WAY.
SO LAST CODE CYCLE, WE HAD AMENDED THIS SECTION TO CROSS OUT THAT 36 INCHES AND NOW THE CODE HAS CAUGHT UP WITH THAT.
WE WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO WE CAN REMOVE OUR AMENDMENT.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM 18 FOR R THREE 19.5 0.1.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION FOR, UM, FOR WINDOW OPENING CONTROL DEVICES FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
SO IT SAYS THAT THOSE CONTROL DEVICES ARE FALL PROTECTION SHALL BE LOCATED AT A HEIGHT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PREVIOUS SECTION OR AT AS LOW A HEIGHT AS A DEVICE CAN BE INSTALLED.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS WINDOW REPLACEMENT WHEN THAT THOSE CONTROL DEVICES ARE REQUIRED.
JUST AGAIN, ADD SOME FLEXIBILITY SAYING GET AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO THE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE WAS REALLY DUPLICATE INFORMATION SPREAD OUT ACROSS MANY SECTIONS THAT JUST RELOCATED IT HERE.
SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, YOU'LL SEE LOTS OF BLUE AND THE ONLY TECHNICAL CHANGE WAS R THREE 20.3 FOR THE LIMITATION OF HANDRAIL PROJECTIONS NOW APPLIES TO RAMPS.
SO THEY JUST SAID STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS OR RAMP.
IT WAS REALLY THE BIGGEST ITEM THAT WAS CHANGED THERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO CALL IT OUT 'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WERE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BLUE JUST KIND OF DRAWS YOUR EYE TO THOSE CHANGE REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT REALLY WASN'T A CHANGE.
SO THIS IS FOR CARE FACILITIES WHERE THOSE CARE FACILITIES ARE PERMITTED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS CODE.
THE PORTIONS OF THE DWELLING USED TO OPERATE A BUSINESS PROVIDING CARE SHALL BE ACCEPT ACCESSIBLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE.
UH, BRIAN SMITH, IS THIS MORE FOR LIKE, UH, DEMENTIA CARE THAT, THAT KIND OF CARE FACILITIES OR WHAT IF YOU WERE PROVIDING THAT CARE INSIDE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
SO YOU'RE CHANGING IT, YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TO BE, UM, MORE OF A CARE FACILITY, THEN THE A DA REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY.
ITEM 21, THESE WERE REVISED IN NEW ITEMS FOR R 3 25, 1 0.1 AND 1.2 FOR NATURAL LIGHT AND NATURAL VENTILATION.
SO THEY JUST KIND OF SEPARATED THESE SECTIONS.
SO FOR NATURAL LIGHT, THEY ADDED, SO HABITABLE ROOM SHALL HAVE AN AGGREGATE AREA OF GLAZED OPENINGS.
NOT LESS THAN 8% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF SUCH ROOMS. THAT'S THE SAME THAT REQUIRED THE REQUIRED GLAZED OPENING SHALL FACE DIRECTLY ONTO A STREET ALLEY OR PUBLIC WAY OR A YARD OR COURT LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT AS THE BUILDING.
SO THE EXCEPTION THEY ADDED WAS THAT THOSE OPENINGS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO FACE ONTO A ROOF, A DECK, A PATIO ADJACENT TO THE STREET ALLEY, PUBLIC WAY, OR COURT WHERE THE LONGER SIDE OF THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE FUN, WHERE THE LONGER SIDE OF THE ROOFED AREA IS NOT LESS THAN 65% UN UN UNOBSTRUCTED IN THE CEILING HEIGHTS.
ROBERT'S NODDING HIS HEAD LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S, I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM HERE.
AND THE REQUIRED GLAZED OPENING SHALL BE PERMITTED TO FACE INTO A SUNROOM ADJACENT TO THE STREET ALLEY PUBLIC WAY YARD OR COURT NUMBER THREE IS THE SAME.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, E PROJECTION SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED AS OBSTRUCTING THE CLEAR OPEN SPACE.
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BRIAN SMITH.SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR THING FOR AB ROOMS. SO WE HAVE DONE REMODELS IN THE PAST WHERE THERE WAS, UM, A HAVE A ROOM THAT HAD A WINDOW THAT WENT TO THE OUTSIDE AND THEY ACTUALLY BUILT A ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
SO IT WAS NOW A WINDOW GOING INTO ANOTHER ROOM.
UH, DOES THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENT HERE FOR EXCEPTIONS? I'M NOT READING IT THAT WAY.
WAS THAT A BEDROOM? IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO I'M JUST AIN'T A BEDROOM ANYMORE.
I'M JUST ASKING FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
IT WOULD NOT MEET THE EXCEPTION.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
AND, AND THAT BEDROOM REQUIRES TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING.
SO NEEDS, IT NEEDS A WINDOW TO THE OUTSIDE.
HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN IN THE RESIDENTIAL HOME BUSINESS BUILDING BUSINESS? JUST 25 YEARS.
I JUST, I'M JUST, THERE'S STILL AN ESCAPE, SO I WAS JUST YEAH, CLARIFYING.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST ONE.
WHAT ADDRESS WAS THAT LOCATED AT
JEREMY MCDONALD'S, UH, OFFICE DO SIX STEP FOUR, UM, 3 29 0.64.
SO NOW WE ARE IN SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM.
SO WE SAW A LOT OF THIS BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEMS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE.
SO THEY ADDED SOME SECTIONS HERE, UM, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE IBC.
SO I WAS JUST SAYING, HEY, DON'T INSTALL THESE IN A MANNER THAT CREATES AN ELECTRICAL HAZARD.
NEW SECTIONS FOR THE ELEVATED SUPPORT STRUCTURES, THE OPEN GRID FRAMING AND THE PV PANELS INSTALLED OVER A ROOF ASSEMBLY.
SO THOSE ARE ALL IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE REVIEWED DURING THE BUILDING CODE.
WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THIS, THESE SECTIONS WILL HAVE BECAUSE WE SEE THESE SYSTEMS NOW AND, UM, AND THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH, WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE, NOW WE'RE IN ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL ASPECT TO THIS THAT ALLUDES ME, BUT IF THE SYSTEMS ARE INSTALLED IN A MANNER THAT CREATES AN ELECTRICAL HAZARD THAT'S VAGUE.
HOW IS THAT? WELL, HOW'S THAT NOT A PROBLEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
HOW'S THAT ALLOWED? DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GETTING AT? LIKE IF IT'S A, IF IF IT CREATES A HAZARD, THEN WHY ARE WE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? SO THERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THE NAC ALLOWS, ALLOWS THE INSTALLATION TO CREATE ELECTRICAL HAZARD, WE JUST HAVE TO POINT OUT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT HAZARD IS GONNA BE.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS SAYING.
IT'S JUST MAKING SURE IT'S CLEAR OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT ELECTRICITY ON THE ROOF, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE CREATING THE HAZARD FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THE LADDER PLACEMENT.
SO OUR DEFINITION OF HAZARD IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
R THREE 30.4 FOR LOCATIONS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO THESE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS OBVIOUSLY PRESENT A FIRE HAZARD, REAL HAZARD, UM, FOR OCCUPANTS OF THE DWELLING.
AND THE CODE ALREADY REQUIRES A FIRE PROTECTION ENVELOPE AROUND THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.
AND THIS ADDITION COMPLETES THAT REQUIREMENT BY ADDRESSING PENETRATIONS IN THE DOOR.
WELL, LET'S LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR.
ENCLOSED UTILITY CLOSETS, BASEMENT STORAGE UTILITY SPACES WITHIN THE DWELLING UNIT WITH FINISHED OR NON-COMBUSTIBLE WALLS AND CEILINGS.
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UM, THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SHALL BE INSTALLED IN ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS.SO IN THAT UTILITY CLOSET WITH NON-COMBUSTIBLE WALLS OR, OR FINISHED OUT RIGHT WALLS, WALLS AND CEILINGS OF UNFINISHED WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH NOT LESS THAN FIVE EIGHTS.
TYPE XG WALLBOARD OPENINGS INTO THE DWELLING SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH WOOD, WOOD, SOLID WOOD DOORS, NOT LESS THAN ONE IN THREE EIGHTHS AND THICKNESS SOLID OR HONEYCOMB CORE STEEL DOORS.
NOT LESS THAN ONE IN THREE EIGHTHS, UM, OR THE 20 MINUTE RATED DOORS.
SO THIS IS SAME AS FOR A GARAGE LIKE THE OPENING INTO A GARAGE.
THEY SHALL BE SELF LATCHING AND SELF-CLOSING.
SO I DON'T SEE IT SAYING SOMETHING.
SO WHAT ABOUT A SLIDING DOOR, GLASS DOOR? UH, ALL I'M SEEING IS A SOLID WOOD STEEL.
SO HEY, IF YOU'RE PUTTING THOSE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN THE DWELLING UNIT, YOU NEED ONE OF THESE TYPES OF DOORS.
SO THEY ALL DON'T HAVE TO MEET THAT.
IT'S THE, JUST THE DOOR ENCLOSING ENCLOS.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS ALL THESE NEW SECTIONS AND A NEW FIGURE.
R THREE, 30.8 0.1, TWO AND THREE.
SO WE CONTINUE WITH THE PROTECTION.
THIS IS FROM IMPACT FOR THOSE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE EASIEST IF WE LOOK AT THE IMAGE OR THE FIGURE THAT WAS PROVIDED.
ARE YOU GUYS BUILDING THEM LIKE THAT? BRIAN? LIKE GARAGE? NO.
SO THIS IS IDENTIFYING WHERE THAT IMPACT PROTECTION SHALL BE INSTALLED SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IN YOUR GARAGE.
IT IDENTIFIES, UM, IN THE TEXT WHERE THE NORMAL DRIVING PATH IS
SO THAT'S THE END OF CHAPTER THREE.
DID YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK NOW OR JUST I KEEP CHUGGING 'CAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF CHAPTER FIVE IF, IF WE DO WANNA TAKE A BREAK.
WE WE'RE WE'LL BE DONE BY RIGHT.
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BUT THE THING IS, I DON'T LIVE THERE.OH, SO WILDLIFE, THERE'S NOTHING EASIER THAN WILDLIFE.
UH, BEEN THREE MINUTES EXACTLY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RESUME, UM, THE CODE CYCLE.
SO WE'RE JUMPING INTO CHAPTER FIVE FOR FLOORS.
THE FIRST MAJOR CHANGE THAT WE WANTED TO CALL OUT NUMBER 25 WAS NEW SECTIONS AND R 5 0 2 11.
SO THIS PROPOSAL PROVIDES A PRESCRIPTIVE SOLUTION TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GUARDS TRANSFERRING THE OUTWARD AND DOWNWARD LOADS APPLIED AT THE TOP OF THE GUARD TO THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS, THESE NEW SECTIONS ARE SPECIFIC TO FLOOR FRAMING, SUPPORTING GUARDS.
BRIAN SMITH LEWIS, ANY PROBLEM? ALRIGHT.
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NEXT ITEM NUMBER 26.A REVISION TO R 5 0 6 0.3 0.3 FOR THE VAPOR RETARDERS.
SO THIS PROPOSAL RESTORES THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SIX MIL SHEET VAPOR RETARDER UNDER CONCRETE SLABS.
THE 2021 HAD REQUIRED THE 10 MIL, UM, AND REQUIRED IT TO MEET THIS STANDARD AND REALLY LIMITED THE PRODUCT CHOICE WITH A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GOING BACK.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE IN 5 0 7 FOR EXTERIOR DECKS.
NUMBER 27 NEW SECTIONS 5 0 7, 9 0.1 0.5 THROUGH 1.8.
WE'RE SCROLLING, TURNING PAGES TO GET THERE.
WE JUMPED A BUNCH OF SECTIONS, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES.
SO THIS, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE DECK LEDGER, THE LEDGER FLASHING, WATER RESISTANT BARRIER, EXISTING WALLS AND EXTERIOR WALL COVERINGS OR THOSE NEW SECTIONS.
ARE, ARE WE DOING SOMETHING NEW HERE? OR IS, ARE WE JUST SPELLING SOMETHING OUT? MORE DETAILS.
AND IS THIS TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING JOE MUDDY? LIKE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE YEAH, WHEN THEY HAVE A DECK AT NEW CONSTRUCTION, YEAH, IT'S THE RIGHT WAY.
SHOULD NOT HE SHOULD BE, YEAH.
ARE YOU INSTALLING A DECK AT THAT HOUSE WHERE YOU'RE REMODELING THE ATTIC?
WELL IF IT'S JUST KEEP IT LESS THAN 30 INCHES HIGH AND WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND ALREADY WE'RE IN CHAPTER SIX FOR WALL CONSTRUCTION.
SIX OH TWO, TEN SIX 0.2 6 0 2 10.
ALL THESE FIGURES TAKES A SECOND.
SO THIS SECTION IDENTIFIES THAT THE, UM, THAT THE PORTAL FRAME HEADER SHALL NOT EXTEND OVER MORE THAN ONE OPENING.
THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN CHANGE.
DO WE SEE THE THIS AS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR ARE WE SEEING A LOT OF, UH, IF ANYTHING, IT'LL AFFECT MAINLY THE MIC.
WE USE YOUR MIC, USE MIC AND STAIN.
UH, IT SHOULD AFFECT MAINLY, MAINLY THE HOME BUILDERS.
MOST OF THE BUILDERS USE ENGINEER DESIGN, SO, SO IT WOULDN'T IMPACT WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALREADY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE, THE BRACE WALL AND SPECIFIC TO THE PORTAL FRAME, AND LEWIS, THIS IS USUALLY WHAT YOU HAVE AS FAR AS ENGINEERS WISE, THE DETAILS THAT WE, WE TYPICALLY, WHEN WE'RE DOING FOR SOME METALS, IT DOESN'T LOOK DIFFERENT FROM
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PREVIOUS THAT MUCH.WE ACTUALLY DO A LOT OF THIS NOW.
SO THIS IS SEEING MORE, MORE OF THIS.
YOU THINK IT'LL CHANGE THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE APPLYING IT? BRIAN? SORRY.
WILL IT CHANGE THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONSTRUCTING? NO, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK LEWIS.
AS FAR AS FROM AN ENGINEER STANDPOINT, ALL OF THIS IS TYPICALLY WE, WE HAD TO HAVE IT ENGINEERED PRIOR.
SO, AND THEY'LL HAVE THESE SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT WE GIVE TO THE FRAMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE PARTICULAR NAILING PATTERNS AND SUCH.
UM, THE INSPECTION OFFICE, HUH? THIS IS BETTER.
YEAH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO NOW WHERE WE CAN EITHER HAVE THE CITY OR THE ENGINEER INSPECT PRIOR TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NAILING PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE IN ACCORDANCE.
HE'S EXCITED THAT JOE'S HAPPY ABOUT A CHANGE.
I'LL GET EXCITED WHEN MIKE'S HAPPY ABOUT A CODE CHANGE.
THAT'S KIND OF A REALLY, OKAY.
THIS IS, UH, NEW ITEMS ADDED TO R 7 0 3 0.2.
SO THIS IS, WE ARE IN WALL COVERING, EXTERIOR WALL COVERING IS R 7 0 3, AND THIS IS WATER RESISTANT BARRIER.
SO IT SAYS WHERE THE, THE NEW, THE WATER RESISTANT BARRIER MATERIAL SHALL COMPLY WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.
SO IT ADDED ITEM NUMBER THREE AND EXCEPTIONS.
SO IT SAYS, HEY, YOU DON'T NEED THAT WATER RESISTANT BARRIER AND YOUR UNCONDITION DETACHED TOOL SHED STORAGE SHED PLAYHOUSE OR SIMILAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WHERE THOSE EXTERIOR WALL COVERINGS ARE LIMITED TO SIDING THAT'S ATTACHED DIRECTLY TO THE STUDS OR THE WALLS ARE UNINSULATED, UM, OR THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE WALLS HAVE NO WALL COVERINGS OR FINISHES.
THE NEXT MAJOR ITEM WE SEE ITEM NUMBER 30, REVISION TO 7 0 3 0.7 0.3.
AGAIN, WATER RESISTED BARRIERS.
SO THIS SECTION REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE WATER RESISTED BARRIERS TO BE INSTALLED OVER WOOD BASED SHEATHING AND ADDED IN EXCEPTION BASICALLY SAYS THOSE SECTIONS SHALL NOT APPLY WHERE THE ACCUMULATION, CONDENSATION, OR FREEZING OF MOISTURE WILL NOT DAMAGE THE MATERIALS.
SO WE ARE IN EXTERIOR PLASTER.
SO THIS IS, THIS SECTION IS FOR STUCCO.
NEW SECTION SAYS, UH, 7 0 4 0.4.
SO WE'RE IN EX WE'RE IN THIS SECTION.
7 0 4 IS EXTERIOR SOFFIT AND FASCIAS.
OKAY, THAT IS SO, SO FEW NEW SECTIONS.
SO THE CODE DOESN'T CURRENTLY PROVIDE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR INSTALLATION OF THE FAYETTE, THE EAVES AND THE RAKES.
THIS IS AN AREA THE CODE NEEDS TO ADDRESS AND IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A POINT OF WEAKNESS FOR FAILURE DURING WIND EVENTS.
BASED ON SOME RECENT TESTING, ALUMINUM FASCIA CAN BE INSTALLED WITH ONE FASTENER AT THE LEG WITH A ONE INCH OR MORE COVERAGE AT THE DRIP EDGE.
ALTHOUGH ISSUES WITH FASCIA AND NON-HIGH WIND AREAS IS NOT A NOTED ISSUE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT BREAKS OUT THE INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS WHERE THE DESIGN WIND PRESSURE IS 30 PSF
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OR LESS, OR THE WIND PRESSURE EXCEEDS 30 PSF LESS.OKAY, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
R 9 0 5, THIS IS, UM, REVISED TABLE.
WE SAW THIS IN THE IBC AS WELL.
NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR OUR AREA.
SORRY, I'M STILL GETTING THERE.
SO THE UNDERLAYMENT, NO, THAT'S NOT THIS ONE.
A LOT OF THIS WAS JUST REVISIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS TABLE IS BROKEN UP TO AREAS WHERE THE WIND DESIGN IS NOT REQUIRED OR WHERE IT IS REQUIRED.
AND IT IS NOT REQUIRED IN OUR AREA PER THAT FIGURE.
SO FOR THE ASPHALT SHINGLES, THEY ADDED NUMBER THREE.
SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OPTION.
SO FOR ASPHALT SHINGLES, IT SAYS THE UNDERLAYMENT SHALL BE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, ONE AND TWO WERE THE SAME.
AND AGAIN, THEY JUST, THEY WENT FROM A PARAGRAPH FORM TO A LISTED NUMBER.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE SEE THIS AS GOOD, UH, WHEN THEY ADD ADDITIONAL OPTIONS OF COMPLIANCE FOR CLAY AND CONCRETE TILES.
NO CHANGE FOR METAL ROOF SHINGLES TO METAL PANELS AND THE, UH, SOLAR ROOF COVERINGS.
THAT'S ALL NEW AGAIN, NEW, NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT, THAT WE'RE SEEING OR MAYBE NOT SEEING YET.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE HAVE SEEN THESE UH, COVERINGS YET.
UH, BUT IT'S IN HERE AS METHOD, THEIR METHOD OF COMPLIANCE IN HERE FOR THAT UNDERLAYMENT FOR THOSE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE OKAY MAYBE WHEN THEY COME DOWN AND PRICE.
SO PRICE, YEAH, MAYBE, UM, ON THAT GARAGE WE SAW EARLIER, THEY MAY HAVE THOSE KIND OF COVERINGS.
OKAY, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.
SO IT SAYS ROOF REPLACEMENTS SHALL INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING LAYERS OF ROOF COVERING DOWN TO THE ROOF DECK, EXCEPT IN THESE CONDITIONS, NUMBER ONE TALKS ABOUT THE ICE BARRIER.
NUMBER TWO, WHERE THE EXISTING ROOF INCLUDES A SELF ADHERED UNDERLAYMENT AND THE EXISTING SHEATHING IS NOT WATER SOAKED OR DETERIORATED.
YOU DON'T NEED TO REMOVE THAT.
SO IF YOU WERE DOING A ROOF AND YOU HAD, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THEM, THEY'LL HAVE A LOT OF FELT OR SYNTHETIC, BUT THEN THEY'LL HAVE SECTIONS THAT WILL BE IN THE SOFA HEARING ICE SHIELD OR THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IS THAT WHAT IT'S SAYING? IS THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE IT? THEY DON'T.
HAS PARTIAL ICE SHIELD WHERE IT'S NOT WATER SOAKED OR DETERIORATE? THEY DO A DETERIORATE.
THEY'LL USE THE ICE SHIELDS AND SUCH.
SO THEY'LL DO GALVANIZED FLASHINGS AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY DO THAT IN ADDITION TO IT.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT DAMAGED OR IT'S NOT DAMAGED OR DETERIORATED.
YOU CAN'T TELL IT'S DAMAGED TO YOU.
YOU, YOU CAN, WHEN YOU WALK ON IT, YOU'LL KNOW
AND YOU MAY KNOW IT'S, I'VE DONE THAT.
SO WE DID ADD, UH, THE CODE DID ADD NUMBER THREE.
SO IT'S SAYING WHERE THE EXISTING ROOF INCLUDES ONE LAYER OF SELF ADHERED UNDERLAYMENT AND THE EXISTING LAYER CANNOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT DAMAGING.
YOU CAN PUT THE, UH, OTHER LAYER O ON TOP OF IT.
SO THESE REALLY JUST MAKE SENSE.
YOU DON'T WANNA CAUSE MORE HARM.
AND IT WILL, SOMETIMES IT WILL ACTUALLY TAKE OFF THE, THE OSB AND THE, THE RESIDENCE AND SUCH AS WE PULL ON IT, IT'LL ACTUALLY DETERIORATE IT.
THAT IS IT FOR MAJOR UPDATES TO THE IRC.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER TODAY ON THE BOARD?
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ALRIGHT, IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 33.DO I HAVE A SECOND? JOE LAYS SECOND.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THAT REALLY THE, THAT'S THE WHOLE BOOK WE'RE DONE WITH IRC.
UM, SO WE ONLY ADOPT CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH 10, OR I'M SORRY, TWO THROUGH 10 OF THE IRC.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED.
AND CHAPTER 10 WAS CHIMNEYS AND FIREPLACES.
WE DIDN'T SEE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU GUYS AND THE MECHANICAL SECTIONS OF THE IRC THAT WE ADOPT WILL BE REVIEWED WITH THE MECHANICAL COMMITTEE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YEAH, THAT WAS, UH, MIKE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE TALKED LAST WEEK AS FAR AS WHY WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE SCHEDULES BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WE WOULD BE MOVING ALONG.
IT'S JUST THE BIGGEST BY FACTOR.
THERE WAS SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT HAD BEEN REMOVED FOR US.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE AS YOU'RE READING THROUGH THE, THE BOOK IN THE EVENINGS, MIKE, IF YOU SEE SOME OTHER ITEMS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE CAN, YOU CAN STILL BRING THOSE UP.
SO THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, UH, ARE THERE, JUST IN CASE WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT LET'S, LET'S KINDA GO THROUGH THEM REAL FAST AND SEE WHERE WE STAND ON EACH ONE.
SO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, UH, THERE'S STILL TWO PENDING ITEMS THAT, UH, CHIEF WESTBROOK WOULD LIKE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT.
UH, SO WE'LL DO THAT NEXT WEEK.
IT WILL BE THE FARS AND THE WWE, UH, THE WILDLAND INTERFACE, UH, FOR FIRE WILDFIRES.
UH, SO WE'LL PRESENT BOTH OF THOSE NEXT WEEK.
UH, HE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME MORE, UH, EXPERTISE FROM HIS TEAM, UH, STAFF HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO WE, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH HIM, HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
I BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF OR RESOLVED EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
WE DIDN'T TABLE ANYTHING THERE.
SO I BELIEVE WE'VE, UH, UNLESS ANYTHING ELSE HAS COME UP, UH, WE ADDRESSED ALL THE, UH, ROBERT'S ITEMS, UH, THAT HE KIND OF BROUGHT UP WHILE HE WAS OUT FROM THE MEETING.
BUT, UH, THINGS SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO THERE.
THE, UH, BUILDING CODE, UH, NOTHING NEW HAS COME UP SINCE WE WRAPPED THAT ONE UP A FEW WEEKS BACK.
SO I THINK THAT ONE'S STILL, UH, TABLED AND, AND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE ALSO IS JUST THE, UH, STANDARD CHAPTER 10.
UH, SO ANYTHING UNDER CHAPTER 10 THAT DOESN'T TECHNICALLY FALL UNDER ONE OF THESE, UH, ADOPTED CODES, UH, SPECIFICALLY MORE ON THE WAY OF REGISTRATION OF CONTRACTORS.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL SEND YOU THE INFORMATION ON THAT.
IT'S THE, UH, KIND OF THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT AND THE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT THAT WE ADOPTED IN UNDER THE 2021 CODE UPDATES, UH, FOR HOME BUILDERS.
AND NOW WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MOVE TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS, WHICH DON'T REQUIRE THAT CERTIFICATION.
AND WE'RE REEVALUATING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME SCOPES THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO? UH, SO WE'RE KINDA LOOKING AT THAT.
WANNA PRESENT THAT SOME OTHER STUFF IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLERICAL, UH, BUT WE CAN GO INTO THOSE IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, JUST, I, I WANNA, I'LL, I'LL BE ASKING NEXT WEEK FOR THIS.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE STATISTICS OF, UM, IF THE CERTIFICATION THAT WE DID TWO YEARS AGO HAS IMPROVED THE PERFORMANCE OF INSPECTIONS IN THE CITY.
SO DID WE DO ANYTHING BESIDES CREATE A BARRIER FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE GOOD AT TAKING A TEST, UH, TO PERFORM WORK? SO ARE WE SEEING THAT MORE INSPECTIONS ARE PASSING THE FIRST TIME OR SECOND TIME? ARE WE FINDING MORE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF, OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY BY PUTTING THAT CERTIFICATION? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA WANT TO KNOW.
OR IT'S AT LEAST A QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK 'CAUSE YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THE HEADS UP ON THAT.
SO YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN PULL THAT DATA AND, AND DO SOME ANALYSIS ON, ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS ACTUALLY DSD GOING TO GABA AND ACTUALLY DOING SOME PRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF A LOT OF THE BUILDERS AND SUCH AND ONE OF THE CLASSES THAT THEY DO SPECIFICALLY IS THE TOP 10 FAILS.
SO THEY ACTUALLY GO OVER SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FAILS THAT WE'RE DOING, HOW CAN WE CORRECT THOSE? WHAT IS BUILDERS CAN WE LOOK FOR TO BE ABLE TO TELL OUR CREWS PROJECT MANAGERS AND SUCH OF HOW TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
NOW I'LL CAVEAT WITH OUR DATA WITHIN SENSE THAT REALLY THIS KIND OF WENT INTO EFFECT BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DATA WITH THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WE CAN PULL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT DO WE HAVE OUT THERE? UM, WE'LL TRY TO SIFT THROUGH THAT.
BUT KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PULLED YOUR PERMIT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD GOTTEN RENEWED, LIKE IT OFFICIALLY WENT INTO EFFECT BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR FOR RENEWALS.
UM, AND LIKE I SAY, YOU COULDN'T RENEW BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE CERTIFICATION BUT YET HAD ALREADY PULLED PERMITS.
SO A LOT OF THE WORK WE'RE SEEING NOW MIGHT STILL BE BEING DONE, THOSE THAT DON'T.
BUT WE'RE NOT LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT PERMIT ANYMORE.
'CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST MORE, YOU CAN'T PULL NEW PERMITS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR.
MAYBE THE NEXT CYCLE WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER DATA.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS ALSO TO TRY TO OPEN UP TO WHAT MORE THOSE INDIVIDUALS CAN DO.
UM, MORE THAN IT IS TO TRY TO LIMIT THAT.
BUT YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT AND WE'LL DEFINITELY GET SOME INITIAL DATA FOR THAT.
BUT DEFINITELY I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, UH, IN A COUPLE YEARS TO LOOK AT THE 27TH, WE SHOULD HAVE A LOT MORE CRYSTAL DATA
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WILL HELP US KIND OF SIF SIFT THROUGH THOSE TWO AND BRIAN SMITH.IS THERE ANY WAY IT JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY THOUGHT AS WELL, THAT AGAIN, TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PERHAPS IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD VIDEO ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO AT CASS SUCH OH YEAH.
WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT AS A CLASS AND PUT THAT INTO THE WEBSITE SO THAT WHEN CONTRACTORS ARE COMING IN AND SUCH A HELPFUL TOOL, HEY, THESE ARE SOME THINGS, UM, JUST YOUTUBE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE OF ASSISTANCE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT ARE SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN ATTEND THE CLASS, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT TRYING TO GET BETTER AND THAT MAY BE A WAY THAT CAN HELP.
Y YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY EDUCATION'S ALWAYS GOOD.
MY, MY POINT WAS MORE ABOUT UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOW HOW TO DO THE JOB AND CAN PASS INSPECTIONS, BUT TRIED TO SIT DOWN TO PASS THIS ICC CERTIFICATION AND COULD NOT GET THROUGH THE TEST, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE TIME ALLOTTED.
'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REFERENCES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A BENEFIT TO.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
SO REMOVING THAT PERSON FROM BEING ABLE TO BUILD, HAVE WE IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF BUILDING IN THE CITY AND WE DON'T KNOW YET.
'CAUSE IT'S THAT, THAT THEY, THEY ALLOWED A LOT OF LENIENCY UNTIL IT'S FINALLY COMING IN EFFECT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECT.
BUT NO, WE'LL PULL THE DATA THAT WE DO HAVE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEN POSSIBLY COMPARE THAT IN A COUPLE YEARS AND FROM THERE, GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.
IF YOU PASS A DRIVE, WE ALREADY HAVE IT, BUT JUST FROM AN INFORMATION STANDPOINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO SOME TYPE OF A VIDEO TYPE.
I MEAN WE, IF WE HAD, WE JUST RECORD THAT.
UH, DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE WHEN WE PRESENT.
BUT EVEN JUST SOMETHING, SOMEBODY, I THINK SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, IT WOULD LEAD PEOPLE TO IT.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE ALL ABOUT EDUCATION AND HOW WE CAN HELP AND, AND DO THINGS BETTER AND GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
TO MIKE'S POINT, UM, WE MEET WITH CASABA EVERY TWO MONTHS AND WE DO REPORT THAT INFORMATION.
PERCENT OF THE UH, PER PERCENT PASSING ON THE FIRST INSPECTION.
AND SO ON FOR THE FRAME AND FINAL.
UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT COMPARISON.
UM, AND IT MAY NOT GIVE US A GOOD CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, BUT WE WILL AT LEAST, WE'LL WE DO HAVE THE NUMBERS WE CAN COMPARE.
YEAH, DEFINITELY A TREND LINE OVER THE NEXT FEW TIMES.
HEAR ROBERT HANLEY, DO WE HAVE A CURRENT SCHEDULE LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS? LEMME PULL THAT UP.
HE SENT IT, UH, NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
UM, NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT YEAH, IT'D BE GOOD, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT.
SO WE'RE MEETING NOVEMBER 1ST, CORRECT.
SO THAT'S NEXT AND NOVEMBER THE EIGHTH.
SO THOSE ARE SET MEETINGS FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, AND THE 15TH, ISN'T IT? THE 31ST, NOT THE FIRST.
JEREMY, JEREMY, REAL QUICK, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE GUAVA WEBSITE, THEY DO HAVE, UH, LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OF OUR TRAINING VIDEOS ON THEIR WEBSITE.
SO YEAH, SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, WE HAD MECHANICAL ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN WRAP UP MECHANICAL NEXT WEEK.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING, AND A LOT OF Y'ALL SIT ON THE SWIMMING POOL CODE.
SO, UM, IDEALLY IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD MOVE THE SWIMMING POOL CODE FROM THE 12TH TO THE SIXTH.
SO I'LL REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY, UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT.
THEN WE ANTICIPATE CLOSING OUT EVERYTHING ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE NEXT WEEK.
UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS Y'ALL NEED SOME MORE TIMES WITH THAT FARS AND WWE.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO BRING ALL THE INFORMATION SO WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MORE FOLLOW UP.
IT MIGHT BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF COURSE FOR THAT.
IT MIGHT BE A LONG MEETING AND DISCUSSING THOSE TWO ITEMS. BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE CAN PRESENT AND Y'ALL CAN MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE.
UM, OR MAYBE EVEN DECIDE TO TAKE THAT TO THE FULL BOARD.
UH, THOSE ARE BIG, BIG CHANGES.
THEN WE SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP WITH ALL SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, BY THE, BY THE SIXTH.
IF WE CAN MOVE, I'M SORRY, BY THE, UH, LET'S SEE, WHERE AM I AT EIGHTH? THE MECHANICAL, UH, YEAH, THE SIXTH.
SO IF WE DON'T NEED THIS, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO HOLD A FULL BOARD MEETING.
I DON'T THINK THE EIGHTH IS REASONABLE, BUT I WAS GONNA TALK TO CRYSTAL ABOUT THAT.
UM, BECAUSE MOSTLY I WAS THINKING THE SWIMMING POOL CODE DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES.
SO IF WE'RE KINDA WRAPPED UP THE WEEK PRIOR WITH MECHANICAL AND THIS BOARD, THEN WE HAVE A WEEK TO 15 KIND OF BE READY.
SO POTENTIALLY THE 15TH, POTENTIALLY THE EIGHTH.
UH, BUT THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA, THAT'S CRYSTAL HEAVY LIST.
SO I I I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A DATE.
SO IF, IF WE CAN'T WRAP UP EARLY ON THE EIGHTH, WE GET TO BLAME CRYSTAL.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT BY NO MEANS NO, WE'RE STILL MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE'VE WRAPPED UP RESIDENTIAL.
WE STILL NEED TO FOLLOW UP, UH, FIRE CODE AND UH, THE UH, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION.
SO THOSE WILL BE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT WEEK.
UH, POTENTIALLY YEAH, WE HAVE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A FULL BOARD MEETING.
SO LIKE I SAID, I KNOW Y'ALL REPRESENT A LARGE CONTINGENCY OF THAT FULL BOARD.
SO IF Y'ALL ARE AVAILABLE, THOSE DATES, WHICH YOU ALREADY KIND OF SIGNED UP FOR, THAT'S IDEAL.
BUT IT WOULD BE THE EIGHTH AND THE 15TH THROUGH THE TWO DATES THAT WE'RE KINDA LOOKING AT AS POTENTIAL, UM, FULL BOARD MEETINGS.
WOULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR DECEMBER? CORRECT.
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UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE POOL TO PUT ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE 31ST BECAUSE IT'LL BE NEXT, NEXT WEEK? 'CAUSE WE JUST HAVE THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TABLED AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE REGISTRATION, WHICH I CAN'T SEE IT TAKING MORE THAN AN HOUR.SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO, SINCE WE ALREADY HAD THE ROOM RESERVED FOR THE SECOND PART, HAVING THE POOL COMMITTEES, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO CHANGE TO DO IT ON THAT SAME DAY, I CAN REACH OUT, I CAN REACH OUT TO THE SWIM POOL.
'CAUSE I THINK CRYSTAL, YOU'RE READY WITH THE, THE DATA THAT JUST GIVES YOU MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S IN SO THAT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO THAT DATE, THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SEND OUT SOME EMAILS THIS AFTERNOON THEN BASED OFF THAT.
UM, AND SEE WHAT EVERYBODY'S AVAILABILITY IS FOR THE FULL BOARD ON THE EIGHTH AND THE 15TH.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE SWIMMING POOL CODE.
LIKE I SAID, EVEN IF, I THINK EVEN IF WE HAD TO DO THE SIXTH, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
MAYBE IF YOU HAVE, BUT I MEAN THOSE ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.
IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING WITH STAFF, THE ROOM, EVERYTHING ELSE, IF IT FITS INTO WHAT WE HAVE.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A, A BIG PLATFORM ON OUR PLATE FOR NEXT WEEK.
WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
I'M HAPPY TO BRING LUNCH FOR THE, THOSE THAT HAVE TO STAY FOR THE SWIMMING POOL.
WE CAN END ONE, START THE NEXT ONE.
AND, BUT THAT, BUT THAT WAY IT GETS US ALL, WE CAN GET IT FINISHED AND, AND YEAH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MOST OF Y ALL ARE PART OF THAT.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S ON THE PLUM UH, POOL? I'M ON THE POOL.
UM, I THINK WILLIAM MIGHT HAVE SIGNED UP, BUT, OKAY.
SO WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS NEXT WEEK? CAP.
WE ARE HERE FOR TWO HOURS, SO I'M NOT SAYING MORE THAN THE TWO HOURS ALREADY ALLOTTED.
SO SEND IT IF IT WORKS, I THINK THAT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO INCORPORATE AND, UH, MAKE BEST USE OF THE TIME.
IS THAT EVERYTHING, ANY, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DEFINITELY YOU WERE SHARING.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL, IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.