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UH, BRIAN SMITH.UH, BRIAN SMITH, UH, THE TIME IS 9 0 4, UM, FOR THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD ON OCTOBER 31ST, 2024.
JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BOARD LIAISON FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODE APPEALS BOARD.
THIS IS THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
WE'RE CONTINUING, UH, DISCUSSIONS.
WE'LL START WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF OUR INTERPRETATION.
UH, WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL FOR QUORUM.
UH, EVERYONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE THAT WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT NOTHING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 25TH, 2024? ROBERT HANLEY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? CORY PALMER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE.
A ANY NEGATIVE? MOTION PASSES.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, NO NEED TO, UH, WE CAN TABLE THIS ONE AS ALWAYS.
UH, WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE IFC ITEMS. THE ONLY TWO PENDING ITEMS THAT WE WERE TABLING, UH, WERE THE FARS SYSTEM, UH, APPENDIX L, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE WILDLAND INTERFACE, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL ORDINANCE, UH, AGENDA ITEM.
SO, WHERE I THINK WE'RE GONNA START WITH FARS, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, UH, CHIEF WESTBROOK, WHO HAS, UH, BROUGHT SOMEBODY IN WITH A, UH, SHORT PRESENTATION, UH, TO DISCUSS THE FIRE SYSTEM.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE RETIRED CHIEF FROM PLANO.
UH, HE'S, UH, FIRE, A FIRE AIR REPLENISHMENT SYSTEM, UM, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
HE HAS A, UM, SO 41 YEARS WITH THE FIRE SERVICE.
UM, AND YOU SHOULD SEE A LIGHT.
I SAW THE, THIS MORNING HOW TO DO THIS, AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO, HOW TO RUN THE MICROPHONE.
SO,
UH, IT'S THIS, I SPENT 18 YEARS AS A FIRE MARSHAL ON PLANO, AND SO I, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS EVERY THREE YEARS, AND SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT A CHALLENGE IT IS TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
UH, I DON'T WANNA WORK FULL-TIME ANYMORE.
UH, I'VE GOT TWO GRANDKIDS AND ANOTHER ON THE WAY.
SO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, I'M GONE.
I'LL BE ON THE MOUNTAIN SKIING.
SO, UH, I HAD TO FEED MY HABIT SOMEHOW, BUT TODAY I WANNA TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTER AIR REPLENISHMENT SYSTEM.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS THING? SO, UH, OKAY, YOU, THIS LAST FOR ME, WE'RE JUST ADVANCING,
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UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY THROUGH BEST AIR MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.WE'RE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
I, I, I'M WITH THE FIREFIGHTER AIR COALITION.
WE'RE A BUNCH OF RETIRED FIRE GUYS, FIRE CHIEFS THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT GOOD AIR.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIST HERE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH.
FIREFIGHTER HEALTH AND SAFETY EDUCATION, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH ENGINEERING, UH, CODE ADOPTIONS.
WE HELP, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
THIS, THIS IS THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE.
IT'S BEEN AROUND ABOUT 25 YEARS, SO IT'S RELATIVELY NEW, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND THEN, WELL, WE WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY WORKING IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WITH ALL THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED.
UH, THE FIRE SERVICE, UH, WE, WE TRY TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST FIREMEN, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO THINGS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE HAVE TO HAVE AIR, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE WATER.
WE, WE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, GOT THE WATER THING DOWN.
SO, MODERN TECHNOLOGY, OH, THIS IS MY FIRST DAILY JOB,
I'M HOLDING UP PRETTY GOOD
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING WATER WHERE WE NEED IT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, IT'S JUST REALLY NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT FARGE IS THE MODERN TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE THIS, THE PROBLEM SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
ALL IT IS, IT, IT'S A STANDPIPE FOR AIR.
WE GOT A STANDPIPE FOR WATER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A STANDPIPE FOR AIR.
SO ALL WE'VE GOT IS THE AIR ON OUR BACKS.
AND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I ASK PEOPLE HOW LONG THEY THINK THE AIR ON MY BACK LAST, THE FIRST THING I GET IS, WELL, YOU GOT OXYGEN TANKS ON.
I'M NOT GOING TO A BURNING BUILDING CARRYING OXYGEN
IT LASTS ABOUT 20 MINUTES, RATED FOR 30, BUT NOBODY WORKS NORMAL ON A FIRE.
SO IT'S GONNA DROP DRAMATICALLY IN THERE.
SO ONCE WE'RE OUT OF AIR, WE'RE OUT OF AIR, WE HAVE TO EVACUATE AND LEAVE IN, IN A HIGH-RISE BUILDING AND GO DOWN MANY, MANY FLOORS TO DO THAT.
SO THE MANUAL TRANSPORTATION OF, OF, OF AIR UP AND DOWN THE STAIRWAY IS VERY SLOW AND VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.
IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT DRESSED IN MY CLOTHES TODAY.
I DON'T WANNA CLIMB TOO MANY FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A YOUNGER GUY, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'D DO ABOUT 10, 12 FLOORS IN FULL BUNKER GEAR.
UH, SO IF I GOTTA GO UP 20, 30 FLOORS, THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM FOR ME, UH, AS WELL.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS INTERESTING HERE.
MOST PEOPLE SAID THAT'S WHAT THEY WEIGHED IN JUNIOR HIGH.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTERS ARE YOUNG AND LEAN THESE DAYS, BUT WHILE YOU, BY THE TIME YOU PUT ALL THIS STUFF ON, YOUR WEIGHT ALMOST DOUBLES, YOU'RE CARRYING UP A LOT OF EXTRA STUFF AND YOU ADD AIR BOTTLES ON TOP OF THAT, IT REALLY DOES BECOME A VERY DIFFICULT AND LABOR INTENSIVE AND SLOW PROCESS.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST USE ELEVATORS.
WELL, ELEVATORS ARE REALLY PRONE TO FAILURE IN A FIRE.
SO NOW HERE I'VE GOT, AND, AND THAT'S ALSO A LATE STAGE TACTIC, UH, IN, IN A FIRE.
SO NOW HERE, I'VE GOT FOUR GUYS IN THIS ELEVATOR, AND IF IT STOPS, NOT ONLY DO I NOT GET MY AIR, I GOTTA GO RESCUE FOR MY OWN.
SO JUST CREATES, YOU KNOW, A SNOWBALL EFFECT OF, OF PROBLEMS. SO THE CHALLENGE FOR US HAS ALWAYS BEEN GETTING THE AIR TO FIREFIGHTERS WHEN THEY NEED IT, WHERE THEY NEED IT, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE RIGHT MOMENT IN TIME.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING.
I'LL ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE AND A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PROMOTING A DEFEND IN PLACE MODEL WHERE YOU STAY THERE AND THE FIREFIGHTERS WILL COME GET YOU.
THE TRUTH IS, MAYBE I GOT 20 MINUTES OF AIR ON MY BACK AND I RUN OUT OF AIR.
I CAN'T BREATHE ANY BETTER THAN YOU CAN.
I GOTTA GO DOWN AND GET MORE AIR AND COME BACK UP.
IF I GOT A FIRE ON 10, I GOTTA GO SEARCH 11, 12, AND 13.
SO I GOTTA CLIMB DOWN FIVE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS, GET AIR CLIMBED BACK UP, BURNING ENERGY AND BURNING MY AIR.
SO IT'S JUST, THIS IS AN AIR BOX PERMANENTLY INSTALLED IN A STAIRWELL.
IT'S FED BY HALF INCH STAINLESS STEEL.
IT'S NOT, NOT, NOT DEALING WITH A HUGE AMOUNT
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OF FRICTION LOSS.UH, IT'S JUST A QUICK WAY FOR US TO SUPPLY.
UH, SO IT'S IN A TWO HOUR RATED SHAFT, SO IT'S PROTECTED FROM FIRE.
UH, AND THEN IT'S DESIGNED TO REFILL OUR BOTTLE IN TWO MINUTES OR LESS WHILE STAYING ON AIR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUR MASK OFF, TRYING TO TAKE OUR BOTTLES OFF, NOT TAKE EVERYTHING OFF.
WE CLICK IN AND WE GET A FULL TANK OF AIR IN TWO MINUTES OR LESS.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T TAKE OUR MASK OFF BECAUSE CARCINOGENS ARE A REAL PROBLEM FOR US.
THERE'S STUFF BURNING THESE BUILDINGS TODAY.
YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT'S BURNING IN THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY YOU, YOU, YOU START GETTING THE EV FIRE, MAN, THERE'S SOME REALLY NASTY STUFF COMING OFF THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S A HUGE PART OF US IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S FIREFIGHTER CANCERS OUT THERE, AND IF WE CAN PREVENT THOSE, IT SAVES A LOT OF MONEY ON, ON, ON, ON, ON OUR INSURANCE CLAIMS. SO IT'S PRETTY EASY.
UH, IT'S, IT'S GOT A, THIS IS THE EXTERIOR MOBILE AIR CONNECTION, AN FDC FOR AIR.
IT'S THE SAME CONNECTION THAT THEY USE TO FILL THE AIR BOTTLES.
UH, THEY OPEN THE PANEL UP AND THEN THEY, UH, HOOK UP AND THEY CHARGE THE TRUCK.
LEFT HAND SIDE SAYS WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE'S COMING IN OUT RIGHT SIDE, SAYS WHAT PRESSURE'S GOING OUT ON THERE.
THERE'S REGULATORS ALL THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OVER PRESSURIZE.
SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE 4,500 PSI, SOME ARE 5,500 PSI, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT AIR TRUCKS COMING TO YOU.
AND SAN SAN ANTONIO HAS THEIR OWN TRUCK.
ANOTHER WAY YOU CAN GET AIR IS THROUGH A AN AN IN-BUILDING CASCADE SYSTEM.
THIS IS A STORAGE OF AIR ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE STORAGE OF AIR THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REFILL 50 AIR BALLS BEFORE THE AIR TRUCK GETS THERE.
JUST KEEP THE SYSTEM UNDER CONSTANT PRESSURE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS UNDER 4550, 500 POUNDS OF PRESSURE.
THE BOX AT THE TOP, AND WE'LL SEE ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT IN IN A MOMENT.
THOSE ARE THE, THAT'S THE ANALYZERS.
SO THERE ARE SENSORS IN THERE THAT ARE DETECTING THE SIX GASES REQUIRED BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION FOR SAFE BREATHING AIR.
THE SAME, SAME STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR STATION AIR COMPRESSORS THAT WE FILL BOTTLES WITH.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT IN, IN THIS THING, IN THIS CASE IN SAN ANTONIO, I WOULD NOT THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED THIS SYSTEM SINCE YOU HAVE, I MEAN, I, I, I'VE TALKED TO CHIEF WESTBROOK, YOU ALL HAVE A QUITE A FEW.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST MORE THAN ONE, TWO, OR THREE AIR TRUCKS THAT CAN BE THERE IN THE FIRST 30 MINUTES.
SO THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME I'M GONNA RUN OUT OF AIR.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT BETTER JUST FROM A COST STANDPOINT AND FROM A, YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE, IT'S A COUNTY MUTUAL AID TO GET AN AIR TRUCK THERE, IT COULD BE 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
SO THEY MAY NEED THAT IN, IN, IN, IN MODERN SAN ANTONIO.
YOU WON'T NEED THIS, THIS, THIS CASCADE.
THE TWO BOTTLES ON THE RIDE YOU'LL KEEP.
THIS IS A, A, A, A BETTER PICTURE OF THE ANALYTICS HERE.
UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE TWO BOXES ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, THOSE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT ANALYZERS THAT ARE ANALYZING THE SIX GASES THAT WERE, THAT WERE, THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO, TO MONITOR.
IT'S MOISTURE, IT'S OXYGEN, IT'S NITROGEN, IT'S HYDROCARBONS, IT'S CO CO2.
THOSE ARE THE GASES THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE ARE NOT IN THERE, UH, FOR US.
THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE A BOX THERE.
UH, I'M SORRY, UH, LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE RIGHT PICTURE.
I GUESS IT'S ON BOTH PICTURES ACTUALLY.
IT HAS A, A, A DIGITAL READOUT OF EACH OF THE GASES.
PARTS PER BILLION GAJILLION, WHATEVER IT IS.
UH, I DON'T WANNA LEARN ANY MORE NUMBERS, UH,
SO I HAVE MY 19TH 68 CHEVY IDIOT LIGHTS ON THERE.
YOU KNOW, MY DADDY TOLD ME THE, THAT THAT LIGHT COMES ON RED AND IT SAYS OIL PULL OVER, SON.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE RUN INTO HERE.
IF I GOT SIX GREEN LIGHTS, WHICH I DO ON THIS PANEL HERE, I'M GOOD TO GO.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ASKING ANYBODY ANY QUESTIONS.
AND IF I GET A RED LIGHT, I MIGHT WANNA KNOW WHAT'S, I MIGHT WANNA START ASKING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HAZMAT TECHIE GUY THAT HELPED ME OUT.
ONE THING I WANTED TO TO MENTION REAL QUICKLY IS THAT THE SYSTEM IS MONITORED BY THE FIRE ALARM.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A, A, A, IT GOES OVER.
SO EACH ONE OF THESE BOXES HAS A TAMPER SWITCH IN IT.
SO IF SOME KID GETS IN THE STAIRWELL, OPENS A BOX UP, IT'S GONNA SEND, IT'S GONNA SAY, HEY, SOMEBODY'S MESSING WITH THE, WITH THE BOX.
IF ANY OF THE GASES GO OUT OF COMPLIANCE FOR WHATEVER REASON TO GET AN ALARM.
NOW, IT DOESN'T CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE BUILDING OWNER IS, IS NOTIFIED THE PLANT MANAGER, THE PLANT ENGINEER WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
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SOME REASON THE PIPE HAS LOST AIR, IT WILL GIVE YOU A LOW, A LOW AIR PRESSURE ALARM, WHICH MEANS THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM.SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF BACKUP STUFF THERE IN A, IN A BIG BOX, UH, BIG WAREHOUSE SITUATION.
UH, THESE ARE PUT STRATEGICALLY, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN THESE, IN THESE LOCATIONS, RIGHT NEXT TO THE WATER STAND PIPE IN MOST CASES.
AND THEN PROTECTED BY BOLLARD.
THAT IS, THAT HAS A, A TWO HOUR SHAFT AROUND IT.
THE PEDESTAL AS, AS A TWO HOUR WRAP AROUND IT.
'CAUSE IT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN A TWO HOUR ENCLOSURE WHEN YOU GO FROM BOX TO BOX.
IF YOU'RE GOING STAIRWELL TO STAIRWELL OR BOX TO BOX IN HERE, THE PIPE GOES UNDERGROUND.
IT'S IN A TWO INCH PVC WITH LONG SWEEPING ELBOWS,
AND YOU'RE GONNA PULL, IT'S LIKE ELECTRICAL CABLE.
SO ALL CONNECTIONS ARE ABOVE GROUND.
SO THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH AIR OR MEAN WITH WATER OR ANY KIND OF CONTAMINANTS GETTING INTO A JOINT UNDER A BUILDING IN THERE.
UM, SO THE BOXES HAVE A, A REFLECTIVE TAPE ON THEM.
AND THEN INSIDE THE BOX, WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP, THERE'LL BE A, A LIGHT, UH, COME ON TO, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, IN A BIG BOX, THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE'S A BLUE LIGHT ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WHEN THE FIRE ALARM GOES OFF, ALL THE BLUE LIGHTS COME ON.
SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'VE GOT AIR AND WATER.
OKAY,
NOW THE BOXES CAN BE RECESSED LIKE THIS, OR THEY CAN BE EXPOSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT KIND OF BUILDING YOU'RE BUILDING.
A LOT OF TIMES IF IT'S A CMU WALL, THEY DON'T WANNA REALLY SINK 'EM INTO THAT.
SO IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, FLUSH MOUNT OR SURFACE MOUNT.
THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE A RECESS.
SO FIREFIGHTERS OPEN THE BOX UP.
I DON'T NEED 20 STEPS TO GO THROUGH.
I OPEN THE BOX UP, THE BLACK KNOB IN THE MIDDLE IS, IS DESIGNED FOR A GLOVED HAND.
I GOT ANOTHER, ANOTHER REGULATOR INSIDE THERE.
TELL ME HOW MUCH AIR'S COMING INTO THERE.
AND THEN I, I, I PULL MY HOSES OUT.
I CAN'T REALLY DO MINE VERY WELL BEHIND ME.
SO I TURN AROUND AND MY, MY PARTNER KICKS, CLICKS ME.
TWO MINUTES LESS A FULL TANK OF AIR.
WE DISCONNECT IT AND DROP AND GO.
THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED A RICK UAC.
AND ALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL, ALL SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS MANUFACTURERS HAVE TO PUT ON THE DEVICE.
IF IT'S MUTUAL AID COMING IN, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO MUTUAL AID FROM SAN ANTONIO, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT.
SO HERE'S, THIS IS A CLOSEUP HERE, ABOUT THREE SLIDES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE FILLED UP.
REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEARCH AND RESCUE.
'CAUSE I'M ON, I'M ON, I'M ON THE FLOOR.
I GOT, I I I'M HALFWAY THROUGH SEARCHING BELL RINGS QUICK, TOP OFF AND BACK.
AND I DON'T FORGET WHERE I AM.
AM I GONNA DOUBLE SEARCH A UNIT OR AM I GONNA MISS ONE? THAT'S A REAL HUGE FEAR FOR US.
WE HAVE A CODE ADOPTION GUIDELINE BOOK THAT WE, THAT WE SHARE WITH FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON.
HOW FAR IS IT, WHAT IT IS, HOW YOU ADOPT IT, UH, HOW, HOW, HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
UH, IT'S IN THE APPENDIX, UH, L OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE.
SO IT, IT'S BEEN AROUND, UH, FOR A LONG TIME.
I WILL SAY THIS, THAT THE WORLD'S LARGEST FIRE TRAINING FACILITY IS NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE AT COLLEGE STATION.
AND THEY HAVE A FIRE SYSTEM THERE, HAD IT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THEY, THEY, THEY BUILT THEIR OWN.
THERE'S A, THEY'RE, THERE'S ONE COMPANY OUT THERE AT JOHNSON CONTROL WHO, WHO HAS IT NOW.
THEY'RE THE BIGGEST, THEY'RE THE A HUNDRED POUND GORILLA.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SMALL ONES THAT HAVE PATENTS OUT THERE THAT THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOT TRACTION, BUT THEY WILL.
UM, BUT TEXAS A AND M HAS FILLED OVER TO 3 MILLION BOTTLES OVER THE 30 YEARS WITHOUT ANY INCIDENT.
NO PROBLEM WITH A BOTTLE HAVING A PROBLEM, NO PROBLEM WITH ANYBODY GETTING SICK OFF THE SYSTEM.
THEY DO ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FIELDS A YEAR.
THEY HAVE ANYWHERE FROM A HUNDRED, A THOUSAND OR MORE AIR PACKS ON THE FIELD AT ANY ONE TIME.
ANYBODY FIGHTING FIRE OUT THERE MUST BE ON AN AIR PACK NOW, SO THEY CAN'T SHUTTLE BOTTLES AROUND THAT THING.
SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR SYSTEM'S ABOUT TWO MILES LONG, UH, OF STAINLESS STEEL.
THAT'S A LOT OF STAINLESS STEEL, I GOTTA TELL YOU.
SO, UH, THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UH, HAS, HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR THEIR, FOR THE USE, UH, FOR THEIR MEMBERS.
AND DALLAS-FORT WORTH, PLANO, ARLINGTON, THE FOUR LARGEST ONES HAVE ADOPTED THIS ALONG WITH 29 OTHERS IN, IN THE METROPLEX AREA.
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UH, TWO OR MORE BELOW HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OR MORE, UH, EACH STAIRWELL AND A BIG BOX ADJACENT TO THE WATER STAMP PIPE.SO IT, IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE, UH, SYSTEM TO DESIGN.
UH, I SAY THE PIPING ALL IS ALL IN THE STAIRWELL.
UH, THE ONLY TIME YOU HAD TO, THE ONLY THING THAT'S RUN, RUN ABOVE THE CEILING IS THE FIRE ALARM CABLE GOING OVER TO IT.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT, THAT SHOULD BE ABOUT IT.
UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SOMETHING I DIDN'T COVER.
SO I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, DAVE.
UH, LOGISTICALLY, IF YOU PUT AN EXTERIOR BOX, WHERE ON THE EXTERIOR DOES IT GO? I KNOW FDC CONNECTIONS FOR STANDPIPES ARE USUALLY WHERE THE TRUCK CAN LOCATE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO WHERE DO YOU PUT THAT IN THE BUILDING? UH, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE DESIGNED A BUILDING AND THEN WE HAVE TO PUT A KNOX BOX YES IN THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE LOWERED IN STUFF.
WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THAT ONE TAMPERPROOF ABILITY? AND THEN IF IT'S AN INTERIOR BOX, UH, WHAT'S THE TWO HOUR RATING IN THAT STAIR TOWER? THE MINUTE THAT YOU PUT IT IN THAT ONE PHOTO WHERE IT'S RECESSED AND IT'S METAL STUDS AND TWO LAYERS OF DRYWALL, YOU VIOLATED YOUR TWO HOURS.
SO I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T GO IN CMU, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OTHER PROVISIONS ABOUT HOW YOU PROTECT THAT TWO HOUR ENVELOPE BEFORE YOU DO A RECESS TO AIR REPLENISHMENT BOX.
UH, YEAH, IN, IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, I RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE SURFACE MOUNTED.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT THEY, THEY HAD THAT OPTION THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT CAN DO IT AND DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND STILL MEET THAT RATING REQUIREMENT ON THERE.
THE EXTERIOR PANEL, UH, IT DOES HAVE A TAMPER ON IT AS WELL.
UH, YOU, YOU ASK ABOUT THE, THE BOX ITSELF, THE LOCATION OF THE BOX, RIGHT? SO LOCATION OF THE BOX.
WE RECOMMEND YOU DO TWO BOXES.
SO ONE WOULD BE IN THE AREA OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION OR DO A, DO A PEDESTAL MOUNT.
YOU CAN DO A PEDESTAL MOUNT WHERE YOU PUT IT IN THE ISLAND OPPOSITE OF THE FIRE LANE.
SO THE LIGHT AIR TRUCK CAN GET THERE.
THE LIGHT AIR TRUCK HAS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF HOSE ON IT.
IT'S REAL AS IS IS LIMITED FIRE TRUCKS, WE CAN KEEP SPLICING HOSE FOREVER.
IF YOU PUT ONE ON THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU WILL, THEN THAT'S MORE LIKELY NOT GONNA BE BLOCKING.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET THE AIR TRUCK THERE.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THE FIRE ENGINES COME IN FIRST, HOOK UP THE FT C, ALL THIS STUFF ON THE GROUND, AND THEN THE AIR CUT CAN'T GET THERE.
SO IT, IT, IT, IT IT'S THAT, THAT'S A LOCAL THING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING AT.
THIS IS FOR YOU CHIEF WESTBROOK.
UH, IT, IT APPEARS IN THE LANGUAGE THAT IT GIVES THE DISCRETION FOR THE LOCATION TO THE FIRE MARSHAL DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR A SET OF PLANS.
AND SO IF, IF I AS AN ARCHITECT AM DESIGNING A 10 STORY BUILDING, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT UP AHEAD OF TIME.
AND SO WILL THAT BE ONE OF THE ITEMS DURING INTAKE WHEN YOU'RE DOING PLAN REVIEW SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA GO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONFLICTS OR WE MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT LOCATION? CORRECT.
LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, IT IS IN THE, UH, A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, 14.1 FOR THE LOCATION, THE EXTERNAL MOBILE AREA CONNECTION SHALL BE LOCATED AND APPROVED SEPARATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION.
BUT YES, SIR, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE, UH, PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
HOW DO YOU FIND THAT LOCATION BEFORE YOU SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY? IS THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE INPUT DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS INSTEAD OF, WE'VE DONE ALL THE DESIGN, WE'VE PRODUCED ALL THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE NOW AT THE CITY, AND THEY GO, OH, BY THE WAY, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REDO YOUR DESIGN.
THAT'S OUR INTENTION IS FOR US TO DO IT DURING THE, UH, PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS.
AND SHOULD BE NOT FAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION.
UM, YEAH, BUT I THINK THE POINT ROBERT'S MAKING IS IT'S, AT THAT POINT, IT'S DOUBLE WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING EVERYBODY IS, IS PRE BIDDING THE PLANS BEFORE IT'S SUBMITTED TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN KIND OF DO THE PROJECT.
AND IT REQUIRES NOT ONLY A CONNECTION TO THE BOX FOR THE AIRLINE, IT'S ALSO A FIRE, UH, ALARM WIRE.
AND PROBABLY SOME POWER SOMEWHERE NEAR THERE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOX REQUIRES ELECTRICITY TO FUNCTION.
NO, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO, WE JUST NEED TO SAY, OKAY, IT NEEDS TO GO WITHIN, NOT CLOSER THAN 50 FEET TO THE, YOU KNOW, THERE SO THEY KNOW WHERE TO PUT IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS IF DURING THE DESIGN, UH, IS THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN THE CHASE FOR THE,
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THE MAIN BRANCH LINES BEFORE YOU, YOU GO OFF ON THE VARIOUS FLOORS FROM THE STAIR TOWERS, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING THIS WAY TO GET TO IT.THERE HAS TO BE A, SOME PLACE IN THE VICINITY, THE SHORTEST DISTANCE FROM THE ACCESS WHERE THE AIR TRUCK COMES IN AND MAKES A CONNECTION.
UH, IT CAN SERVE EVERY, UH, EVERY FLOOR FOR THE, THE, THE SYSTEM.
RAUL, CAN YOU BRING UP THE AMENDMENT TO THE FIRE CODE CHAPTER 11? AND THEN WHY
WHAT THE COST OF THIS THING IS COST? GOOD QUESTION.
UH, AND I, I EXPECTED THAT ONE
THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG QUESTION.
IT IT, IT'S A NEW SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO IT IT'S SOMETHING NEW, UH, COMING IN.
UH, SO, UH, JCI, OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, THEY'VE GIVEN US A REPORT OVER, OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
THEY LOOKED AT, UH, 20 BUILDINGS IN FIVE DIFFERENT STATES, 17 TO 60 STORIES TALL.
AND THEY LOOKED AT THOSE AND LOOKED AT THE COST OF, OF, OF, OF THOSE.
AND IT RANGES FROM 0.5, HALF A PERCENT TO 0.8.
SO IN, IN, IN THE CASES, IT'S LESS THAN 1% OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEY'RE WORKING ON REDUCING THAT.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE GOT NEW ENGINEERS IN TIME.
AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND THAT, THAT'S A BALLPARK NUMBER.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND, OH, NO, THAT WAS REPEAT.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? MIKE AND I WERE OH YEAH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S, UH, 0.5 OR HALF A PERCENT TO 0.8% OF WHAT? OF THE COST OF THE BUILDING THE JOB, THE COST OF THE JOB, 60 STORY BUILDING.
THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, DAVE.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IN THERE, WHEN YOU PUT IN A FULLY AUTOMATED FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, UH, YOU CAN GET YOUR DISCOUNT IF I'M THE BUILDING OWNER ON INSURANCE, DOES THIS HAVE A BENEFIT OR IS IT A PURE DEVELOPER OUTLAY IF THEY'RE DOING A 16 STORY BUILDING, IT'S AN EXPENSE, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY BREAKS.
SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE, NOT THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED, RIGHT.
BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES IN THEIR, THEIR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE TO EXPEND FOR.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL COST.
YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IF I PUT IN A FULLY SPRINKLER BUILDING AND MY INSURANCE IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS, I'VE PAID OFF THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE, THAT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY DOESN'T IT SOUND LIKE THIS IS A NECESSITY FOR LIFE SAFETY? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S NO BENEFIT, UH, IN REDUCTION OF OPERATIONAL COST, UH, BY PUTTING IN THIS SYSTEM.
CORRECT? CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOT, THERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DISCUSSION WITH THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY NOW ON THIS.
UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY NEW.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN ANYTHING YET.
WE'RE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AS AIR COALITION, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO I HAVE A, OH, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO ONE IS, IN YOUR AREA WHERE YOU WERE CHIEF, HOW MANY FIRE, HOW MANY FIRES A YEAR? MARK ROSS, SORRY.
UM, HOW MANY FIRES A YEAR ARE, DO YOU NORMALLY HAVE WHERE THIS WOULD'VE BEEN UTILIZED IN ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT HAS SPRING, YOU KNOW, A NEW BUILDING THAT HAS SPRINKLERS AND ALL THAT? IS IT, THERE'S FIRE A YEAR.
ABOUT, ABOUT ABOUT TWO A YEAR.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT 20 SYSTEMS IN PLANO NOW.
WE'VE GOT 20 HIGH RISES THAT HAVE THIS IN IT.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE.
FRISCO FIRE IS THE LAST ONE THAT USED IT.
AND, AND IT WAS IN A SPRINKLER BUILDING.
UH, THEY HAD A FIRE ON THE 12TH FLOOR AND, UH, THE SPRINKLERS WERE HOLDING IT.
AND THEY WENT IN, DID THEIR SEARCH, YOU KNOW, FOUND THE PROBLEM, BELL RANG, WENT THE STAIRWELL, GOT AIR, CAME BACK IN AND FINISHED FOR SALVAGE OVERHAUL.
IT'S GONNA GET YOUR BUILDING BACK QUICKER.
UH, THE QUICKER WE CAN STOP THE WATER FLOWING, THE QUICKER WE CAN GET YOUR BUILDING BACK, THE QUICKER IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA GO.
WE ARE STRONG ADVOCATES FOR SPRINKLERS.
DON'T UNDER DON'T MISUNDERSTAND THAT MY HOME IN MY, MY, UH, TAJ MA BARN, AS MY WIFE CALLS IT, MY, MY MAN CAVE IS SPRINKLED.
SO I I I, I PREACH WHAT I, I FOLLOW WHAT I PREACH.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO ASK.
SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? YEAH.
BE, BECAUSE THE ONE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT ON A $200 MILLION BUILDING, WHICH ONCE
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YOU GO UP THAT MANY FLOORS, YOU'RE AT THAT OR MORE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO TO $5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHER YOU GO UP FOR, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE GONNA SPEND, IF THERE'S 20 OF THOSE BUILDINGS BUILT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $40 MILLION FOR ONE FIRE A YEAR.YOU, YOU WOULD SAVE MORE LIVES AND DO THAT IF YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT IN BETTER EMS RESPONSE TIME FOR HEART ATTACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I JUST, I, I JUST THINK THERE, IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU PUT THE BOX UP, YOU PUT THE PIPE UP, YOU DON'T PUT THE PUMPS IN WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD COME.
I THE, BECAUSE THAT WILL TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE WITH JOHNSON CONTROL IS THEY'RE THE ABSOLUTE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE IN TOWN.
STEP DOWN,
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOES GET YOU MORE PEOPLE THERE, BUT $40 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY.
I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW YOU DESIGN THIS THING, AND I'VE WORKED WITH SEVERAL ARCHITECTS IN THE PAST WHEN I WAS IN PLANO WORKING ON THIS THING, AND, AND, AND WE DID A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
WE MADE SURE THAT THE PIPING WAS ONLY IN THE STAIRWELL.
WE DIDN'T, WE, WE DIDN'T CRISSCROSS THE FLOOR.
WE, WE, WE WENT IN AND STAYED IN THE STAIRWELL, AND THAT WAS IT.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS A, A VERY SIMPLE SYSTEM.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE MORE YOUR HALF TO LESS THAN HALF PERCENT COST.
BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU DESIGN IT, IF YOU WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING AND HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? UH, THAT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WITH THIS SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY THAT WE WORK CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I GOT AN IDEA.
UH, HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT PLAN, AND I WANNA GO INTO A SITE PLAN, THAT KIND STUFF.
SO WE, WE START TALKING THEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS MIGHT BE AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WOW.
HOW CAN WE MAKE IT WORK BETTER? SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME WAYS IT CAN BE, THE COST CAN BE CUT.
AND I'VE, I, I'VE CERTAINLY WORKED ON IT IN THE PAST MYSELF.
THAT WAS JUST A REPORT THAT, THAT, THAT THEY GAVE ME.
THIS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, YES, SIR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT MARK'S, UH, QUESTION THAT HE'S ASKING.
I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC TO IT, BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN 2024.
UM, BUT IF I'M IN AN URBAN AREA, MARK, LIKE DALLAS OR HOUSTON, WHERE I HAVE TONS OF HIGH RISES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ON THE INSURANCE, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL AND NOT SO PAINFUL, OR THE DEVELOPER HAD TO EXPEND THAT MONEY BECAUSE THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY WILL SORT OF LOWER YOUR PREMIUMS. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.
IF YOU CAN PUT THE FIRE OUT IN 20 MINUTES VERSUS AN HOUR, YEAH.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE DAMAGE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN THE PIKE, MARK AND YEAH.
AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO, HOLY CRAP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF IT'S A NET OUTLAY WITHOUT ANY THE RETURN OTHER THAN SALVAGING YOUR BUILDING AT SOME POINT.
MIKE? UH, YEAH, THIS IS MIKE RUST.
UM, SO I WAS GONNA ASK WHAT THE ASK IS, BUT I I, YOU SCROLLED DOWN FOR ME, SO THANK YOU.
SO I CAN SEE, SEE WHAT THAT IS.
UM, HAS ANYBODY, CHIEF OR ANYBODY HAVE IS, HAS THERE BEEN A DESIRE TO INSTALL THESE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? HAVE YOU SEEN ANY INSTALLATIONS OF THESE? AND IF SO, LIKE HOW MANY AND WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, I WAS IN CONTACT WITH THE BEARER COUNTY, AND BEXAR COUNTY DID ADOPT APPENDIX CELL IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE SAME ROUTE.
UM, I WAS IN CONTACT WITH CHIEF INSPECTOR DAVID BREWER FROM BEAR COUNTY.
THEIR LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT WE DECIDED TO GO WITH BEARER WITH, UH, WITH DALLAS, WITH THE, UH, FIVE FLOORS WITH THAT, WITH, WITH, WITH THE REQUIRED INSTALLATIONS ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLISTIC.
UM, FIVE ABOVE, TWO BELOW, AND THE BIG BOXES, UM, IN ADVENTURE THAT ANY, IN CASE ANY INDUSTRIES CAME HERE.
SO SORT OF SIMPLIFIED, BUT YEAH, BEXAR COUNTY HAS ADOPTED IT.
SO TO KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE'S INSTALLING THIS, THAT IT HASN'T BEEN REQUIRED TO BY THE CODE? CORRECT? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE, YEAH, AND I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT COST AND, UM, FIVE FIVE STORES, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DOES, I MEAN, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE LOW FOR, FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD BE, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT IT IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT THRESHOLD.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO ROOM FOR US TO SAY IF, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, BECAUSE THE APPENDIX, THE WAY'S WRITTEN, THE I A, UH, IF C DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, RIGHT.
DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHEN YOU NEED TO PUT IT IN AND SAYS IT'S UP TO THE ADOPTING MUNICIPALITY.
AND I THINK WE COULD START WITH ADOPT A, A APPENDIX SALE.
SO IF YOU DECIDE TO DO IT, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW YOU HAVE TO GO ABOUT IT, BUT, AND WE CAN AMEND IT AS WELL.
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WE CAN AMEND IT.AND I WILL TELL YOU FIVE IS THE STARTING POINT.
SO IF YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SIX OR SEVEN, YOU DECIDE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE THE, UH, INITIAL I, IF, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK, CHIEF, I'M SORRY.
THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT'S AN INITIAL NUMBER THAT THE, THAT THE COD CAME UP WITH.
SAN MARCOS HAS ADOPTED THIS COLLEGE STATION.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT'VE GONE TO 75 FEET.
SO IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T KICK IN UNTIL YOU GET TO 6, 7, 8 STORIES IS WENT DOWN.
THEN I HEAR YOUR, I HEAR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.
SOME OF THESE MULTIFAMILIES ARE GETTING QUITE LARGE AND THEY'RE LIKE A HUGE PARKING GARAGE SURROUNDED BY A BUILDING.
SO IT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE, LITTLE, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CHALLENGE THAN A GARDEN APARTMENT.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT STILL THEN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 6, 7, 8 STORIES, UH, MORE LIKE THE EIGHT STORY RANGE, I, I, THAT'S WHERE I SEE A LOT OF APARTMENTS GOING TO.
I JUST, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? UH, 75 FEET GETS, 75 FEET GETS YOU ABOUT, STARTS ABOUT EIGHT FLOORS.
I MEAN ABOUT ABOUT 14 FOOT PER FLOOR, RIGHT? AM AM I RIGHT? MY MASK NOT THAT GOOD, BUT
BUT, BUT YOU COULD ALSO PUT A PUT, YOU COULD PUT A EIGHT STORY ON IT.
I MEAN, YOU, IT, IT'S YOUR CODE AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S WORKING WITH SAN ANTONIO FIRE.
YOU GUYS CAN, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATE THIS THING OUT IF YOU WANT.
SO, SO BRIAN SMITH, UM, I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I SAW THAT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS 2021.
SO THIS IS FAIRLY NEW IN SOME OF THE CODE TYPE OF THINGS.
EVEN THOUGH TECHNOLOGY AND A AND M'S BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, UM, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, UM, I UNDERSTAND WITH THE TRUCKS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE MOBILE, HAVE THEY USED MOBILE ONES THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A PARTICULAR PERSON WITH A PACK THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE MOBILE TO GO TO THE FIRE AND ACTUALLY INSTEAD OF IT BEING FIXED IN A PLACE, ACTUALLY BE MOBILE AND BRING IT UP TO THE EIGHTH, 10TH FLOOR WITH THEM TO REFILL? OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A TRUCK? WHAT I'M SAYING IS A PACK, YOU HAVE A PACK, THAT'S IT.
THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE MOBILE.
YOU COULD USE IT ON MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS.
'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
MY MY THOUGHT IS FROM A, A SCIENCE OR AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'S RENEWABLE THAT DOES BOTH OLD STUFF AND NEW, THAT FIXES A PROBLEM.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE, THE, THE, I THINK NEW TECHNOLOGY IS GONNA COME ALONG.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME WITH A BETTER MOUSETRAP.
I MEAN, WE STARTED OUT WITH BUCKET BRIGADES AND NOW WE'VE GOT SPRINKLERS AND FIRE PUMPS.
DO THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW? CHIEF? YES, SIR.
SO DO THEY HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, ABILITY FOR A PARTICULAR FIREFIGHTER OR SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY BRING A PACK THAT IS A, HE'S THE REFILLER.
BASICALLY WHAT WE BRING IS EXTRA AIR BOTTLES.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A MOBILE AIR COMPRESSOR.
WE HAVE FOUR IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THEY'RE DISPATCHED WHENEVER THEY'RE NEEDED.
AND SO ONCE THEY GET THERE, WHEN PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF A BUILDING, THEY GO DOWN TO THE MOBILE AIR COMPRESSOR, GET A NEW AIR BOTTLE.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THE RAPID INTERVENTION TEAM, WHICH IS TASKED WITH, OR, AND OR MOBILE AIR COMPRESSION THAT YOU, THEY WILL PHYSICALLY TAKE A BOTTLES UP TO THE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN LANDING OR A CERTAIN FLOOR.
SO IT'S, IT'S MANUALLY INCLU, YOU KNOW, MANUAL LABOR INTENSIVE TO TAKE BOTTLES UP AND DOWN STAIRS.
UH, SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, I'M, SO IT'S, IT'S THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, SIR.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SET THAT THEY CAN CREATE.
NOT LIKE A MOBILE AIR COMPRESSOR ON MY BACK.
AND THEN YOU, THEN THEY CONNECT TO MY BACK AND CORRECT.
IS THERE A WAY TO TAKE A HOSE UP THAT YOU TAKE WATER HOSES? YOU USED TO, BEFORE THEY HAD ST PIPES, THEY WOULD RUN WATER HOSES THAT YOU TAKE AIR.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS HAVING A, A LONG ENOUGH HOSE AND WHERE YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT, THAT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, A LOT OF HOSE AND IT'S GOTTA GO AROUND THE STAIRWELLS.
AND THEN IT BECOMES, THAT'S WHY WE LIKE STANDPIPES, BECAUSE WE WANT TO DRAG HOSE UP AND DOWN THE STAIRWAY, AND IT ALLOWS, IT ALLOWS US TO EVACUATE PEOPLE QUICKER.
I JUST, IT JUST SOUNDS TO ME, JUST, YEAH, THIS IS NEWER TECHNOLOGY, NEWER STUFF THAT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH IDEAS, ENOUGH THINGS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND TALKED AND, AND TRIED IN THE FIELD TO SEE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE, UM, BASED UPON A LOT OF COSTS, ESPECIALLY THIS LAST FEW YEARS, EVERYBODY FROM INTEREST RATES USED TO BE REAL LOW
EVERYTHING, THE COSTS ALREADY HAVE GONE UP 50 TO 70%, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, MAJOR PERCENTAGE.
UM, AND WE'RE ALL ABOUT SAFETY AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES, IS THIS THE BEST SENSE FOR THE MONEY AND WERE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? AND HOW MUCH, UM, A LOT OF CODE TYPE OF THINGS TAKES MANY YEARS TO GO THROUGH TO GO THROUGH COMMITTEES, TO, TO FIND OUT AND, AND ENGINEER WISE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THAT CAN BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE AS FAR AS DESIGN GOES, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE PICKED ONE I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, FOR SAN ANTONIO FIRE, BUT THERE'S, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER DESIGNS,
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UH, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 8, 8, 9 STORIES.UH, THAT THEN REMOVES THE FOUR TO FIVE STORY MULTIFAMILY, UH, AND GETS YOU INTO THESE TALLER BUILDINGS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TYPE OF A THING, WHICH IS WHERE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR THIS, FROM WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I SEE IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE, IS THE HIGHER ONES IS BECAUSE YEAH, EVERYTHING'S ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
YOU CAN'T USE THE ELEVATOR, YOU CAN'T USE ANYTHING.
SO THE HIGHER THE ELEVATION, THE WORSE THE, THE CASE CAN BE.
I, IS THERE ANY MANUAL SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN RUN THE PIPE WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE OTHER EQUIPMENT WHERE THE TRUCK COULD CONNECT TO THE PIPE AND ON EVERY FLOOR YOU WOULD HAVE, RATHER THAN HAVING A BOX, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A CONNECTION HOSE AND BASICALLY YOU'RE NOT PRESSURIZING THE SYSTEM WITH AIR OR KEEPING AIR IN IT.
YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST CONNECTING.
LIKE WE WERE, YOU BRING A MOBILE TRUCK AND USE THAT AS YOUR PUMP
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THREE FIRES, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING AT THE CITY AND THREE HIGH RISES AT THE SAME TIME THAT HAVE IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY SLIM TO ONE PER ONE HALF OF 1%.
IT'S, IT'S WHERE YOU WOULD GET RID OF ALL THE ELECTRONICS NOT HAVING TO HAVE JOHNSON CONTROL.
IT'S MORE OF A, LIKE, JUST A PIPE THAT THEY COULD, YOU PUT A CONNECTION ON EVERY FLOOR IN THE STAIRWELL, YOU RUN THE PIPE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD CAUSE NEARLY NOTHING.
BUT, BUT THE, I MEAN, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
SO I, RATHER THAN INVENTING NEW TECHNOLOGIES, I THINK OUR TIME MIGHT BE BETTER SPENT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THIS RIGHT.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING ON THAT, IF I COULD.
IF, IF YOU JUST GIMME ONE SECOND.
IN THE EARLY DAYS THEY DID TRY THAT.
THEY TRIED THAT, AND THE, THE QUALITY OF THE AIR COULDN'T BE MAINTAINED.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE OUTTA COMPLIANCE WITH THE END OF PA.
THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION HAS STANDARDS FOR US TO HAVE SAFE BREATHING AIR.
SO HAVING AN EMPTY PIPE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD GET IN THAT PIPE.
AND SO WE HAVE, WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAN OR NOT.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY COMING ALONG FOR THAT
SO THERE'S WAYS OF DOING IT TO BE CLEAR.
UM, I, I HAVE, UH, I, I AGREE WITH MIKE THAT WE, I'M SORRY ROBERT HANLEY, UH, THAT WE ARE NOT, WE PROBABLY ARE NOT GONNA SOLVE NEW TECHNOLOGY, BUT THE CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE, AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO JEREMY ON THIS, AND JEREMY, UH, BEFORE THIS COMES TO THE, THE, INSTEAD OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE BOARD, CAN WE REWORK ON THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE THREE ITEMS WHERE IT'S REQUIRED NEW BUILDING, FIVE MORE, TWO MORE FLOORS BELOW GRADE 500.
SHOULDN'T THERE BE A CONSIDERATION FOR OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION ON WHEN YOU DO THIS SO THAT IF I'M IN A HOSPITAL, THE 12 STORY HOSPITAL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, BUT SO IS, SHOULD THAT BE A FACTOR BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
SO, UH, THE OCCUPANCY THAT'S STICKING TO THE BUILDING IS, IS MORE NOT IMPACTED BY THIS.
LIKE, WE WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT OVERALL OCCUPANCY SIZE, UH, INVENTORY, NON-INVENTORY, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT GO INTO EFFECT ON A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
LIKE WHEN YOU NEED FIRE ALARM, WHEN YOU DON'T, THIS IS MORE OPERATIONAL FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? SO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS ALL THAT REALLY IMPACTS THEM.
HOW ABOUT BUILDING TYPE JEREMY BUILDING TYPE, POTENTIALLY MAYBE, UH, THERE, THAT'S CLOSER TO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT STILL EQUATE IS MORE OF AN OPERATIONAL, I WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BEFORE I WOULD RECOMMEND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS, DAVID, YES, AND THIS IS WE HAVE, UH, CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS AND MULTIFAMILY PEOPLE HERE.
IF I'M GONNA GO DEVELOP A BUILDING AND I'VE GOT ALL MY EQUITY IN A 20 STORY BUILDING AND I'M DOING MY BUDGET WORKING OUT AND SAYING IT'S GONNA COST ME THREE, 300 TO 350 A SQUARE FOOT, UH, I CAN RENT IT FOR X DOLLARS AND I GO TO THE BANK TO GET A LOAN OR CONSTRUCTION LOAN, AND THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS AND SAY, THIS IS OUR TEMPLATE.
WE'RE WITHIN THIS RANGE AND THAT RANGE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, AS MARKET SAID EARLIER, WE ADD THAT COST TO IT AND THEY GO, WELL, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE NOT XX PLUS Y FOR YOUR RENT, AND THE MARKET WON'T SUSTAIN THAT.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU AS A DEVELOPER ARE STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT BECAUSE YOU'RE INCURRING AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT THERE'S NO RETURN ON THEM.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LIFE SAFETY FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S ALSO WHETHER YOU CAN EVEN GET THE FINANCING BECAUSE YOU'VE CHANGED THE
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TEMPLATE OR THE MODEL, UH, FOR BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.UH, I, I, I THINK, UH, THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, IT, IT, IT'S THE ROOM AND CONTENTS, FIRES THAT BURN, THE BUILDINGS AREN'T BURNING NOWADAYS.
IT'S WHAT'S INSIDE THERE THAT'S BURNING AND KILLING PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SMOKE AND THAT, THAT, THAT PROBLEM THERE.
UH, AS FAR AS I, I CAN SPEAK OUT OF, OUT OF EXPERIENCE, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TURNED OFF IN THE CITY TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES THEY ARE, NOR DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE A HIGH RISE BUILDING, YOU TURN OFF THE 10TH FLOOR TO REMODEL PART OR ALL OF IT.
AND I TOLD MY MAYOR, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE REINVESTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THEY, THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO IMPROVE AND THEY WANNA EXPAND AND DO BETTER, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A, YOU KNOW, AN IMPOSSIBILITY TO PULL UP TO A HIGH RISE BUILDING AND FIRE BLOWING OUT THE 10TH FLOOR.
WHY IS THAT? THE SYSTEM WAS TURNED OFF.
AND THEN AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, EVACUATING PEOPLE OUT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANY, ALL, ALL OF US AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER ARE GONNA BE HANDICAPPED.
I DIDN'T SAY PERMANENTLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE HANDICAPPED.
WE'RE GETTING ALL KINDS OF INJURY REPLACED NOW, FRONT END REAR ENDS, ALL KINDS OF END.
SO I'M GOOD TODAY, GET SURGERY NOW.
I'M EITHER AT WORK OR I'M IN AN APARTMENT AND I CAN'T GET OUT.
YEAH, UH, DAVID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, I THINK, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS SO FAR.
SARAH GARCIA, I, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE SHOWING THESE BOXES IN THE STAIRWELLS.
AT WHAT INCREMENT WOULD THEY OCCUR? NOT EVERY FLOOR, BUT EVERY X NUMBER OF FLOORS.
AND, AND I WANT TO ASK, UM, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, AT WHAT POINT DOES HAVING TO TRAVEL UP OR DOWN BECOME A HINDRANCE TO FIREFIGHTING AND RESCUE? IS IT TWO FLOORS? IS IT FIVE FLOORS? IS IT EIGHT FLOORS? BECAUSE I, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE FIVE FLOORS.
THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY LOW, I THINK BECAUSE THE, THE SMALLER THE BUILDING THAT PERCENT COST, YOU'RE MENTIONING HALF A PERCENT TO A 0.8.
I WOULD VENTURE THAT ON A FIVE STORY BUILDING, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT PERSON AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, 2%, WHICH IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL HIT TO THE COST OF A BUILDING.
UM, WHEN DOES IT BECOME SUBSTANTIAL? UM, DOWNTOWN, MOST OF THE, UH, YOU HAVE THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS UNIT AND THEY ARE TASKED WITH, THEY'RE MORE PHYSICALLY FIT, RIGHT? SO I WOULD, THEY'RE EASILY ABLE TO HANDLE FIVE STORIES.
UH, THEY TRAIN ON TOWER OF AMERICAS, BUT IT'S FOR SOME OF THE OUTLYING UNITS WHERE I WOULD SORT OF SAY 6, 7, 8 FLOORS, UH, TRANSPORTING BOTTLES UP AND DOWN WOULD PROBABLY BECOME A PHYSICAL HINDRANCE FOR MOST FIREFIGHTERS.
THEY'RE JUST, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE TASKED WITH.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, IT WAS EVERY OTHER FLOOR, UH, SUPPLY RISER.
EACH STAIRWELL SHOULD HAVE A SUPPLY RISER, UH, SHALL BE LOCATED ON ODD NUMBER FLOORS COMMENCING ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE PRIMARY STAIRWELL GO.
IS IT SUPPLY ROAD? 1 0 1? ONE ONE, UH, ODD NUMBER OF FLOORS.
IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL FITNESS, UH, WE DO HAVE HIGHER PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARDS.
75, 75 FEET WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
IT'S JUST THAT DALLAS HAD, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO MIRROR WHAT DALLAS HAD, UH, AS ANOTHER MAJOR CITY, BUT YEAH.
YEAH, 75 IS APPROPRIATE, BUT 75 AT 14 FEET OF FLOOR IS ONLY FIVE FOURS.
WELL, YEAH, I I, I, I KNOW I I DID THE MATH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE? I, I BELIEVE SO.
THIS, THIS IS MY, SO YEAH, I'M SORRY, SIR.
I'LL LET YOU HAVE YOU NO, GO AHEAD.
I'LL, I, I'LL, I'LL FINISH UP.
I'M GETTING READY TO, TO KIND OF WRAP, WRAP THIS UP.
AND, AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL NEGOTIATED NUMBERS.
THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YOU GUYS WORK, WORK OUT.
THE CODE DOESN'T SAY WHAT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TOOK A TEMPLATE AND BEGAN WITH THAT.
75 FEET MAY BE BETTER FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU MAY WANNA SAY EIGHT FLOORS.
I MEAN, I, AND I, AND I THINK THAT THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS THAT A LOT OF APARTMENTS AROUND ARE DOING ONE STAIRWELL AND NOT BOTH STAIRWELLS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG COST DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, BUT ONE STAIRWELL IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS, A LOT OF PARTNERS ARE STARTING OUT AT THAT POINT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN, CAN, CAN LOOK AT THAT.
AND THAT WAS, SO YOU TAKE A ONE STAIRWELL OUT OF IT, YOU DROP THE COST WAY DOWN.
YOU'RE NOT RUNNING PIPE UNDER, UNDER THE BUILDING FROM STAIRWELL TO STAIRWELL.
IT REALLY MAKES IT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STILL GETS WHAT THEY NEED.
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AIR, AIR IN THE STAIRWELL, BUT IT'S NOT EVERY STAIRWELL.I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, SO.
SO THIS IS MIKE RU, UH, JUST, I'M JUST GONNA EXPLAIN MY REASONING AND THEN I'M GONNA MAKE MY MOTION.
SO
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF FLOORS.
I THINK THAT'S A, A LITTLE MUCH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE TIME NOW TO, TO NARROW THAT DOWN.
UM, I MEAN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A CITY LIKE DALLAS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN SAN ANTONIO WE ENJOY THE LOWEST COST OF LIVING, THE LOWEST HOUSING COST OF ANY MAJOR CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE PROTECTED.
AND I, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EMULATE NECESSARILY OTHER CITIES, UM, THAT, THAT ARE DOING THINGS THAT MAKE HOUSING MORE EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, I WOULD SUPPORT A RULE THAT SAID LIKE, IF AUSTIN DID IT, WE'D JUST DO THE OPPOSITE AUTOMATICALLY.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT PERTINENT
BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THIS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M EMOTION I'M ABOUT TO MAKE, UM, BECAUSE I'M GONNA SAY WHAT I'M GONNA, WHAT I MEAN, AND THEN I'LL TRY AND SAY THE WORDS, RIGHT?
UM, AND WE WOULD ADOPT, YOU KNOW, I'D RECOMMEND WE ADOPT THE LANGUAGE OF FOUR 14, UH, WAS IT THE LOCATION? 1401 OF ONE OR, OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
UH, YEAH, L 1 0 4 0.1, 4.1, USE THAT TO DICTATE WHERE THE, THE LOCATION GOES.
UM, BUT NOT HAVE IT BE REQUIRED IN ANY SIZE BUILDING AT ANY AMOUNT OF FLOORS.
AND THEN REVISIT IT THREE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY'S PROGRESSED OR, OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT, THAT, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND MY REASONING THERE.
UM, BECAUSE I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A, A PERSON WITH A SON AND A DAUGHTER, AND I, AND, AND AS YOU'RE TALKING, I IMAGINE THEM ON THE 10TH FLOOR OF A BUILDING WAITING FOR HELP THAT HAS TO STOP AND REFILL A BOTTLE.
BUT I'M ALSO BALANCING THAT WITH MY RESPONSIBILITY ON THIS BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, MANAGE COST AND, AND AFFECT POLICY IN THAT WAY.
SO WITH THAT ALL SAID, THAT RAMBLING EXPLANATION
SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE APPENDIX, UH, BUT TO DECLINE TO MAKE IT MANDATORY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU ALL DON'T LIKE THAT APPROACH, IT'S NOT GONNA HURT MY FEELINGS IF YOU WROTE IT DOWN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THAT IS IF IT'S OPTIONAL, IT STILL HAS TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS, CERTAIN GUIDELINES.
SO IT IS, IS, IS ALL OF THAT SPELLED OUT IN APPENDIX L? YES.
IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION, NUMBER OF FLOORS? UH, NO, UH, UH, IT DOESN'T, APPENDIX L JUST TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT.
SO IF YOU THINK OF IT, IT IS LIKE, IT'S LIKE THE PLUMBING CODE OR THE SPRINKLER CODE.
IT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT, BUT NOT WHEN TO DO IT.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SPRINKLER CODE TELLS YOU, YOU, HERE'S HOW PUT IT IN THE BUILDING CODE SAYS AT THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THIS THRESHOLD, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THERE'S, THAT'S EXACTLY MY, THE QUESTION IS, YES, IT TELLS YOU HOW TO PUT IT IN AND THEN IT'S OPTIONAL OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN.
BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO PUT IT IN, THIS IS HOW YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
AND IT'S UP TO YOU ABOUT HOW MANY, LIKE WHAT, HOW MANY STAIRWELLS YOU WANNA DO IT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER FLOOR OR WHATEVER.
JUST LIKE THE CODE TELLS YOU HOW TO PUT A TOILET IN IT.
BUT IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS, DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY YOU GOTTA PUT IN, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I GUESS IT KIND OF DOES, BUT, SO MIKE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE INSTALLED, THIS IS HOW IT SHALL BE DONE.
YOU JUST NOT IF IT INCLUDES THE FIVE STORIES.
MY, MY THING WAS TO, TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE 1 0 1 THE WAY YOU ALL HAVE IT WRITTEN AND JUST SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LOCATION BIT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KEEP THAT, KEEP ALL THAT, KEEP THAT.
LIKE IT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ABOUT HOW MANY FLOOR, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG, YOUR BUILDING IS WHAT STAIRWELLS YOU WANNA PUT IT IN.
NONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU PUT IN THERE REQUIRING IT.
AND IF THAT'S TOO COMPLICATED, THEN THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'M HAPPY TO AMEND MY MOTION TO JUST SAY THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WELL, MIKE, THE WAY I, IF, IF YOU READ WHAT'S ON THERE, IT TELLS YOU WHERE TO PUT IT IN.
IT TELLS YOU HOW TO PUT IT IN.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT IN, YOU SHOULD DO IT.
I THINK, LIKE IT SAYS, IT NEEDS TO START ABOVE THE FIFTH FLOOR.
IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, SO IT'S EFFECTIVE.
AND THEN YOU CHOOSE TO PUT IT IN, YOU PUT IT IN THIS WAY, BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I, I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF,
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OF, OF HAVING IT IN OR DOING THIS, BUT NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY.SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A BABY STEP.
I THINK THIS IS SOMEWHERE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, AND I THINK IT IS A NEED.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION BY THE NEXT CODE CYCLE.
'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT HAS BEEN TRIED, WHAT HASN'T.
SO AN EXAMPLE, WHAT MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT, EVACUATING THOSE LINES, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THERE ARE SOME, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME AREAS AND SOME IDEAS THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE AND WHY THAT FAILED AND TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT SOMETHING.
I JUST THINK AS IT'S PRESENTED AT THE MOMENT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH.
AND I'D, I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION AND STUFF OF WHAT CAN BE DONE.
AND IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD BE DOING OVER THE NEXT CODE CYCLES, UH, IN SOME OF OUR, UH, BOARD MEETINGS AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
UM, I JUST THINK AT THIS MOMENT, I THINK, I'M SORRY, IMPLEMENTED IT, IT, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MUCH.
AND, AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, SIR.
AND I DON'T WANNA BE PEDANTIC ABOUT THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, BUT ONCE WE'VE HAD GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE, WE'VE GOT, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, MARK, THE, THE MOTION IS, IS, DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FLOORS OR WHAT STAIRWELLS OR HOW MANY IT GOES IN.
THAT'S PURELY PART OF OPTIONAL.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDED, NO, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDED FROM THE CITY.
IT'S NOT IN, IT'S NOT AN APPENDIX CELL.
GO BACK TO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PENNIX? LL 1 0 4 13 IF WE'RE ADOPTING L IT SAYS WHERE IT HAS TO BE INSTALLED.
YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK YOU LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, YOU MAKE IT OPTIONAL AND THEN THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, IT'S WORKING, IT'S NOT WORKING.
DO WE MAKE IT MANDATORY? GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? JUST MAKE SURE I, WE GET WHICH WAY THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE OF APP PENANT L LANGUAGE, UH, BUT NOT TO MAKE IT MANDATORY.
SO IF SOMEBODY, UH, WANTED TO VOLUNTARILY, UH, IMPLEMENT IT INTO IT, THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THIS CODE CYCLE OF HOW TO INSTALL AND PROVIDE IT.
AND THEN I THINK HIS OTHER PART OF THE MOTION WAS TO ADOPT THE CITY RECOMMENDATION IS TO 1 0 4 0.1 4.1, THE LOCATION OF THE OUT THE, NOT, NOT WE'RE IN THE BUILDING, BUT WHERE THE FIRETRUCK HAS TO BE PROVIDED.
SO IT, IT, IT, IT DOES NOT ADOPT THE CITY'S PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR L 1 0 1, BUT IT DOES ADOPT THE CITY'S LANGUAGE FOR L 1 0 4 0.1, 4.1, MAKING IT VOLUNTARY.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SAY AYE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
IT TOOK ME THREE CODE CYCLES TO GET RID OF THE LOCKING CAPS ON THE AC, SO, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, I THINK WE'RE, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM TO COMPLETE, UH, THE IFC REVIEW IS LOOKING AT THE WILDLAND INTERFACE.
UH, WHAT WE HAD WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT REACHING OUT TO GABA, UH, RESA AND BOMA.
UH, CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO REFLECT ON THOSE? WELL, IT'S QUITE BRIEF.
I SENT AN EMAIL TO, UM, SATTERFIELD SATTERFIELD.
AND TO, UH, RESA AND I CALLED THEM, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SENT IT TO ME.
I, BUT ANYWAY, LONG STORY SHORT, I'M NOT PRESIDENT.
LONG STORY SHORT IS I DID SEND IT TO BOTH AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM RESPONDED.
AND I MADE PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS TO BOTH, UH, TO BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART, Y'ALL WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS.
IF IT DOES GET PAST THIS SUBCOMMITTEE, THE PROCESS FOR, FOR CITY COUNCIL ADOPTING IT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AND I THINK, UM, JEREMY WAS GONNA SPEAK TO HOW THE PROCESS WOULD GO FORWARD, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK, UH, WHAT THE, THE GOAL IS, IS TO TAKE SOME SECTIONS OF THE OE, WHICH IS A STANDALONE ICC CODE.
UH, SO THAT'S THE WILDLAND INTERFACE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, THROUGH ICC, NOT ADOPTING THE ENTIRE CODE, BUT TAKING SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND IMPLEMENTING THEM AS AN APPENDIX TO, UH, CHAPTER 11, UH, WHICH ADOPTS THE IFC AND ALSO WOULD NOT BE MANDATORY IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S ONLY WHEN THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE FROM CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, WHEN WE IMPLEMENT THIS UNDER THESE
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CERTAIN CONDITIONS, THERE, WE'RE ADDING SOME GUIDELINES TO THAT.SO THE, THE INTENT IS THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING OUT THERE SAYING IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS IT, THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY ENACT THIS REQUIREMENT THAT WE START INTERFACING SOME FORM OF WILD LAND INTERFACE, UH, IN SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE CITY.
BUT IT'S LEFT KIND OF VAGUE ON WHAT THAT IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE.
THIS ALLOWS SOME LANGUAGE FROM AN ADOPT, YOU KNOW, FROM ITS NATIONAL STANDARD OF HOW TO MAKE THAT ENFORCEABLE.
SO IF COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT THIS, WE WOULD THEN USE THE ICC CODE, UH, IN CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THAT TO ENFORCE THAT AND MAKE IT APPLICABLE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK MR. ROSS HAD WAS THE MAP, IF YOU GO TO 23, MOVE DOWN, CAN YOU MAKE IT BIGGER? SO IT'S MOSTLY NORTHWEST, SO THE 20 TO 30 FEET, THEY'RE ALSO MEASURED.
THAT'S 20 TO 30 FEET OF LIKE, UM, CHANGE PER HOUR.
THEY USE CHANGE PER HOUR, BUT THAT'S 20 TO 30 FEET.
WELL, THAT'S FLAME LENGTH GO DOWN ONE THAT'S POSSIBLE FLAME LENGTH BASED UPON THE VEGETATION.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF IT WAS UP OR DOWN.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO GO THE OTHER WAY.
GO UP, GO UP THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO BASED UPON VEGETATION, THAT WAS THE, UH, POSSIBLE FLAME LENGTH, WHICH IS RATHER HIGH, KEEP GOING UP.
AND THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE CHARACTERISTIC RATE OF SPREAD.
UM, SO MOST OF THE, UH, ORANGE RED AREA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE CITY BOUNDARIES THERE, BUT IT WOULD AFFECT OUR OUTER BOUNDARIES THERE.
30 TO 50 CHAINS PER HOUR EACH, A CHAIN IS 66 FEET.
SO THAT'S THE POSSIBILITY, BASED UPON VEGETATION, HOW FAST THE FIRE COULD SPREAD.
SO 66 TIMES 30, THAT'S HOW FAST BASED UPON VEGETATION A FIRE COULD SPREAD OUT THERE.
THEREBY TRYING TO PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED IN STEINER RANCH WHERE IT BURNED DOWN, UH, 23 HOUSES IN AUSTIN.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY, IT'S MORE OF A TOOL IN A, IT'S MORE OF A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX RATHER THAN A MANDATORY IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT.
SO THAT'S THE MAP, THAT'S THE AREA BASED UPON THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD THEN SAY, WELL, WHERE CAN WE APPLY IT? THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS MAP AND SAY, UM, THEY COULD LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, WE DO HAVE A LIST OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SORT OF AT RISK FURTHER.
THAT'S SORT OF SOME MORE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE SORT OF AREAS WITHIN SAN ANTONIO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, KEEP, KEEP SCROLLING.
WE DID A COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO.
SOME OF THOSE AREAS ARE HIGH RISK AREAS.
I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS COMMUNITY, THE HOLD UP RIGHT THERE.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS COMMUNITY NAME.
THIS IS WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY'RE AFFECTED IN THE WILDFIRE RISK, UH, ONE TO A HUNDRED.
THAT'S THE WILDFIRE RISK THAT, UM, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES HAVE A NUMBER OF HOMES LOCATED ACRES, RESIDENTIAL TYPE, UM, ESTIMATED VALUE.
NOW, THIS WAS BACK IN I THINK 2018, 2016, BUT THAT'S THE WILDFIRE RISK THAT EACH NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PRESENT.
SO ON A SCALE FROM ONE TO 165.
SO BASICALLY IF THE CITY CHOSE TO ADOPT THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK, EVERY HOUSE THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE PARK WOULD'VE TO MEET THESE STANDARDS.
I DON'T THINK, IS THIS ALL JUST NEW CONSTRUCTION? IS THERE RETROFIT, WHICH WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RETROFIT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY DO WHAT WE DID THE LAST GO ROUND, GET OUR FOOT IN THE DOOR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UH, TRYING TO ADOPT INTER CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE CODE.
UM, I DON'T WANNA BRING UP, 'CAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED AUSTIN, HOW SO? I DON'T WANNA MENTION AUSTIN, UH, NECESSARILY.
HOWEVER, UM, THEY HAD SIGNER RANCH, 23 HOUSES BURNED DOWN.
AND THIS IS JUST IN CASE THINGS GET SO BAD, AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GO TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND SORT OF RECOMMEND, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL WILDLAND, URBAN FA FACE CODE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WHAT DOES
WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WOULD THIS REQUIRE ON RESIDENTIAL HOMES? WHAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS?
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UM, APPLICABILITY.UM, THERE WILL BE SOME, DO YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE AUSTIN'S INTERNATIONAL WILDLAND, IF YOU PULL IT UP, BASICALLY LANDSCAPING, UM, CLEARANCE FROM THE HOUSE, LANDSCAPING AND SOME, SOME GUTTERS AND FENCE CONSTRUCTION ARE, I THINK THEIR MAIN CONCERN HERE.
FENCES WILL CATCH ON FIRE EASILY.
UH, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH A NON-COMBUSTIBLE FENCE MATERIAL LIKE YES, SIR.
EITHER AS IT RIGHT IRON OR OR CONCRETE TRAY AS IT OUS.
OR YOU CAN DO IRON, IRON IN OUS.
I'VE DONE THIS, BUT IT'S CHEAPER.
THE WR IRON, NO REALLY RIGHT IRON.
SO CAN I ASK, CAN WE DELAY THIS TO BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD WITH A EXACT, LIKE WHAT YOU WANT IN WHAT YOU WANT OUT? BECAUSE THE, I AM ASSUMING WE'RE NOT, EXCEPT WE'RE NOT, UM, ADOPTED.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR EVERY SECTION OF THAT TO BE NO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE, WE'RE ELIMINATING MOST OF IT.
DO YOU HAVE IT? SO CAN WE JUST GET A ONE PAGER THAT, OR HOWEVER MANY PAGE THAT SAYS WHAT'S LEFT IN IT? YES, SIR.
AND DO KIND OF LIKE WE DO WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHERE IT'S JUST, WE CAN SEE IN ONE PAGE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RATHER THAN THIS IS IN THAT'S OUT.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN I OUR NEXT TWO MEETINGS AT THE FULL BOARD.
I CAN HAVE, I THINK UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, SO IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FENCE IS PROBABLY $20 TO $80 OR $25 A FOOT TO 80.
WHAT, WHAT FENCE IS ABOUT 24 A FOOT ONCE YOU START GONNA METAL AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, IT'S AT LEAST 75 A MORE PER FOOT.
BRIAN, CAN YOU USE YOUR MIC PLEASE? UM, THANK YOU.
SO THE, THE PRICE OF, UM, UH, REGULAR WOOD FENCE IS ABOUT $24 A FOOT.
YOUR METAL FENCES WILL START AT ABOUT $75 A FOOT.
SO WE'RE TALKING THREE TIMES THE COST PER FOOT.
MOST OF THESE HOUSES HAVE 200 FEET OR MORE.
SO YOU'RE ADDING JUST THIS ONE LINE ITEM.
THEN YOUR FOOT, THEN YOUR FOOT.
AND THEN, SO, AND, AND SO WHEN WE CAN SEE IT, MAYBE THE ANSWER IS, IS OKAY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT TYPICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FENCING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE SUBDIVISION.
DEFENSIBLE SPACES, WHICH IT, IT ABUTS TO A NATURE AREA THAT THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T OWN.
SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A BUFFER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALSO PUTTING A BURDEN ON SOMEBODY TO COME MOW, YOU KNOW, 50 OR A HUNDRED FEET NEXT TO THAT, THAT THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SEE IT ALL.
ONE I WILL SHOW EVERY YEAR, UM, THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE TEAM, WE HAVE ONE, UH, FULL, FULLY STAFFED.
UH, IT IS THEIR JOB TO GO OUT ANNUALLY AND SURVEY CERTAIN SPACES IN AND AROUND SAN ANTONIO TO ESTABLISH RISK.
MR. HANLEY, UH, UM, CHIEF WESTBERG, UH, ROBERT HANLEY, MY QUESTION IS, DOES, IS THIS JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, IF THE COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT? OR DOES IT INCLUDE THE ETJ ALSO JUST WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LIMITS? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I, I, I KIND, UH, JUST WANNA REPEAT WHAT, WANNA SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED, BECAUSE THE WOOEY ACTUALLY HAS RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDING MATERIAL BEYOND FENCING.
WE'VE HAD TO USE IT OFTEN AND IT, IT, IT COULD PUT A, YOU KNOW, RE REQUIREMENTS ON THE TYPE OF WINDOWS TYPE OF DOORS, TYPE OF GLASS, SOFTEN MATERIALS, PACS I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S, IT, IT, IT IMPACTS EVERYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO I, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING AND WHAT YOU ARE ADOPTING.
UM, I CAN GET YOU THE, UH, ONE PAGER IN THE NEXT NEXT 10 DAYS, NEXT SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN TO 10 DAYS.
AND THEN MR. MCDONALD CAN FORWARD IT TO THE, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE.
ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO GO A LITTLE MORE TO BRIAN SMITH.
IT ALLOW US TO GO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH, ASK THE CORRECT QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOMETHING WORK.
THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COOPERATION
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WITH, UH, FARMERS.SORRY, CAN I ADD JUST ONE MORE QUESTION? YES, SIR.
WHEN THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RELY ON WHEN USING THE WWE IS AN ACTUAL MAP THAT HAS A LINE THAT SAYS, THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE THE WILDLIFE, UH, WILD, WILD LAND AREA SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MEASURE YOUR BUILDING.
ARE YOU 50 FEET AWAY? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S THRESHOLDS, THERE'S 50, A HUNDRED AND 150.
SO DO YOU MOVE YOUR BUILDING SO YOU'RE 51 FOOT AWAY FROM THE LINE, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GOTTA COMPLY WITH BECAUSE AT EVERY STEP YOU GOT TO, THERE'S MORE RESTRICTIONS.
IT WOULDN'T APPLY ANY, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT IT KIND OF LIKE WE JUST DID IN THE, WITH THE FIRE APPENDIX HILL.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU LATER IF THEY, UH, WANT TO MAKE IT APPLICABLE TO AN AREA.
BUT I THINK YOUR POINT OF HAVING A LINE, BECAUSE YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR DESIGN SO YOU STAY OUT OF IT.
AND, AND SO, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO ADOPT IT ANYWHERE IN SAN ANTONIO JUST TO HAVE THE STANDARD.
SO IF THEY CHOOSE TO ADOPT IT LATER, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BEGIN WITH, CORRECT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT'S EVERYTHING ON THE IFC.
UH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL BE TABLING THIS AND TAKING IT TO THE FULL BOARD.
UH, IF EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD AS WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO TO MOVE IT.
SO THAT CONCLUDES ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
YOU ALREADY MADE A SPECIFIC MOTION, I'M SORRY, ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO YOU ALREADY MADE A SPECIFIC MOTION ABOUT THE, THE FARS.
WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY MOTION TO TABLE THIS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO CHAPTER 10.
I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO ON THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
UM, I KNOW Y'ALL HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME DATA.
WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? MM-HMM.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO TABLE, IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A GUIDELINES OF WHAT TO DO.
WE KIND OF LOOK AT THE SAME THING AS BEFORE GETTING INTO THE FULL BOARD, UH, TO HAVE THAT BE ADDRESSED.
BUT, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, JASMINE ROA TO UH, GO OVER THOSE PROPOSED ITEMS FOR FOR 10 AND THEN, UH, WE ALL CAN KINDA DISCUSS AND DECIDE HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
GOOD MORNING, THIS IS JASMINE ROA.
WE'RE READY TO GO OVER THE 2024 SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR THE INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AND LET OUR OTHER YEAH.
REGISTRATION? YEP, THAT'S FIRST.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF COMMUNICATION, UH, INTERNALLY WITH THE STAFF ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TODAY.
UH, WE CAN AT LEAST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT MIKE BROUGHT UP, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS BRING MOST OF THIS TO THE FULL BOARD.
UM, IF, UNLESS THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT, DID ANYBODY HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT? BUT AS LONG AS YOU, UH, REACH OUT TO THE AFFECTED PARTIES BEFORE WE GET THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE.
UM, SO THEN I GUESS, YEAH, WE CAN JUST BRING ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE FULL BOARD AND GO FORWARD FROM THERE.
DO I NEED TO CLOSE THIS ONE? AND WE, YEAH, WE WILL CLOSE THIS ONE OFFICIALLY AND THEN WE CAN, UH, TURN OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO CLOSE.
SO MOVED ROBERT HANLEY, UH, CLOSED AT 10 18.
BRIAN SMITH, 10 18, UH, THE START OF, UH, THE POOL COMMITTEE.
UH, WE'LL BE REVIEWING OVER TO CODE AND LET JEREMY GO AHEAD AND GET IT STARTED.
YEAH, WE'LL SWAP OUT, UH, WE HAVE THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE AND WE CAN SWAP THEM OUT.
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SO YOU WANNA TAKE TWO MINUTE? YEAH, TWO OR THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE GET STARTED.TAKE TWO OR THREE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL START.