Nov 06, 2024 Historic and Design Review Commission

MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 20TH.

UH, YES, I AM PHYLLIS MCNAIR.

I AM, UH, THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT.

MA'AM, IS YOUR MIC ON? IS IT ON? OH, THANK YOU.

UH, YES, ONCE AGAIN, I AM PHYLLIS MCNAIR.

HOLD FOR ONE MOMENT PLEASE.

MEETING MINUTES OF COURSE.

IS THAT RIGHT? 16TH.

SORRY.

MAY I EVER PULL, UM, A MOTION FOR MEETING MINUTES? APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES.

I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

OKAY, YOU CAN CONTINUE .

UH, YES.

ONCE AGAIN, I AM PHYLLIS MCNAIR, UH, WITH THE DIGNITY WHI HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I AM THE PRESIDENT.

AND SO WE WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, UM, THIS A DU PLAN BECAUSE WE STRONGLY OPPOSE IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DID NOT PRESENT THIS PROPOSAL TO US.

AND SO WE JUST WANT THE RESIDENT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON IT BEFORE YOU, UH, APPROVE THIS REQUEST.

AND SO THAT'S IT.

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NOW VOICEMAILS? YES.

THIS IS LISA LYNN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 6 5.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, ALTHOUGH THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE A DU PROGRAM AND THE NOBLE EFFORT TO MAKE PLANNING AND PERMITTING OF ADUS MORE AFFORDABLE FOR ELIGIBLE HOMEOWNERS.

HOWEVER, IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND SITE CONDITIONS, A STOCK ONE DESIGN FITS ALL APPROACH IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES SHOULD STEER THE DESIGN FOR EVERY PROJECT IN EVERY HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE A DU STOCK DESIGN CAN BE A STARTING POINT, BUT SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH A SPECIFIC HISTORIC PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

WE RECOMMEND THAT OWNERS CONSULT WITH ARCHITECTURAL VIEW COMMITTEES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED A DU.

HISTORIC DISTRICTS HAVE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.

I AM CALLING IN REFERENCE TO HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 6 5 PERMIT READY, N-H-S-D-A-D-U PROTOTYPE.

MY NAME IS PAUL KENNISON JR.

I LIVE AT FOUR 18 WEST FRENCH PLACE IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

I'M OPPOSED TO HAVING A PROTOTYPE PERMIT READY, DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT DESIGNED FOR HISTORICAL DISTRICTS.

IN MY OPINION, ANY TYPE OF PROTOTYPE UNIT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AND HAS NO HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

BASICALLY NO PROPERTY BUILDING FEATURE OR LANDSCAPE IS IN.

THIS IS THE SAME, WHICH WOULD SET A PRINCIPLE OR HISTORIC CONTEXT.

THERE ARE NO PROTOTYPE UNITS IN ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT I'M KNOW OF.

FOR THIS PRIMARY REASON, I REQUEST THAT THIS APPLICATION BE DENIED.

IF WE MUST HAVE A PROTOTYPE PERMIT READY DESIGN FOR DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CURRENT APPLICATION DESIGNED BE REVISED TO CHANGE THE PROTOTYPE AS FOLLOWS.

NUMBER ONE, FRONT ELEVATION SHOULD BE SYMMETRICAL.

NUMBER TWO, NO, NO VINYL WINDOWS.

NUMBER THREE, OUR WINDOWS SHOULD BE DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS.

NUMBER FOUR, SMALL BATHROOM WINDOWS SHOULD BE LARGER, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW NUMBER FIVE, DOUBLE DOORS AND LEFT ELEVATION SHOULD BE CHANGED TO SINGLE HALF GLASS PANEL DOOR.

NUMBER SIX, ADD TWO WINDOWS AND BEDROOM TO OBTAIN INTEREST IN ELEVATIONS AND CROSS VENTILATION IN THE BEDROOM.

NUMBER SEVEN AND OPTION TO USE SOUTHERN YELLOW PINE NUMBER 1 0 5 OR NUMBER ONE 17 HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, WHICH WOULD PRESENT A HISTORICAL APPEARANCE IN LIEU OF HARDY BOARD.

AND NUMBER EIGHT, REVISED PLANS WERE APPLICABLE TO MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS.

AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I RECOMMEND THAT THIS APPLICATION FOR PROTOTYPE PERMIT READY, DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT DESIGN, AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS BE DENIED.

FOR THE REASONS STATED, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN MY OPINION, MY NAME IS LISA, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 2 8 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 5 3.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.

WE ALSO STIPULATE THAT THE HISTORIC MATERIALS SALVAGED FROM THE DECONSTRUCTION STRUCTURES BE INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW GARAGE.

THE INTEGRATION OF THE BOARD AND BAT MATERIALS AND THE X BRACE GARAGE DOORS INTO THE NEW GARAGE STRUCTURE WOULD RELATE IT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS ON YOUR DESKTOPS WITH COMMENTS AS WELL.

COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? MR.

DO ANY

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CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ANY OTHER ITEMS, UH, TO BE PULLED BY COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE FOR THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA? YES, SIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

THANK YOU YOUR'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 28 CEDAR, UH, 95 0 1 SOUTHEAST LOOP.

FOUR TEN FOUR TWENTY NINE HARRIMAN PLACE, UH, 26 0 2 WEST TRAVIS AND 1000 BROADWAY.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

UM, SO WE HAVE KRISTEN RAMIREZ WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT HERE, UM, WHO CAN PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK OR SOME, UM, CONTEXT REGARDING THIS INITIATIVE AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

I'M JUST WAITING FOR YOU.

YOU CAN SELECT THE, THAT'S OKAY.

ONE SECOND.

IF YOU WANNA GO FULL SCREEN SETTING.

ARE SOME OF THE WAYS WE CAN DO THAT? WELL, LET'S SHARE INFORMATION ON THE BENEFITS OF ADUS.

AND THEN YOU CAN DO, UM, THE TOP OH NO DISPLAY SENTENCE RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

SO, I'M KRISTIN AMIR.

I'M WITH THE CITY'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH OUR A DU PROGRAM.

UM, SO OUR, THE CHARGE OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS REALLY TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE, UM, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, UM, THAT WAS ADOPTED RECENTLY A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, THAT WE REALLY USE AS CONVERT OUR GUIDING FORCE.

AND ONE OF OUR, UH, STRATEGIES WITHIN THAT PLAN IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE JUST AN, AN INCREASE OF ADUS THAT ARE BUILT, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

SO, UM, IN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD SOME UDC AMENDMENTS.

SO THERE WERE CODE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE TO UPDATE THE A DU, UH, ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UM, AND SO FOLLOWING THAT SUIT, WE STARTED TO KINDA CONTINUE WHAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON REMOVING A LOT OF BARRIERS TO BUILDING ADUS.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE, UM, SECOND, UH, DWELLINGS THAT ARE DEVELOPED ON, ON FAMILY OR IN SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTIES, UM, TO PROVIDE, UH, RENT OR, UH, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY EITHER RENT OUT THE A DU OR THEY LIVE IN THE A DU THEMSELVES AND RENT OUT THE PRIMARY UNIT, UM, TO HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME, BUT ALSO TO REALLY ENSURE THAT THERE IS JUST THIS ALMOST NATURALLY AFFORDABLE RENTAL PRICE FOR AN A DU, JUST GIVEN THE SMALLER NATURE OF ADUS.

SO WITH OUR, OUR PROGRAM, WE ARE FOCUSING ON, AGAIN, REMOVING BARRIERS IN HOW TO CONSTRUCT AN A DU OVERALL.

WE HAD THOSE UDC AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT WERE ADOPTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

WE ALSO RECENTLY HAD A DESIGN COMPETITION LAST YEAR THAT WAS OPENED UP TO THE COMMUNITY, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE GOT A LOT OF INPUT AND A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF SUBMISSIONS THROUGH THAT COMPETITION REALLY FROM, UH, KINDERGARTEN ALL THE WAY TO GRAY.

SO WE HAD, UH, A LOT OF RECIPIENTS THAT WERE SELECTED AND AWARDED, UM, PRIZES THROUGH THAT COMPETITION.

AND THEN THAT SPURRED A LOT OF INTEREST IN CREATING WHAT, WHAT COULD WE HAVE IN TERMS OF A PROTOTYPE OF A DU PLANS THAT COULD BE, UM, A SIMPLE PLAN THAT SOMEONE COULD UTILIZE THAT'S REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER, AGAIN, KIND OF REMOVING BARRIERS AND THAT CONSTRUCTING OR UNDERSTANDING HOW TO CONSTRUCT AN A DU.

SO THAT LED US TO OUR PERMIT READY PLANS.

SO, UM, I WANNA TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT LET ME JUST FILL YOU IN ON SOME OF THE RESOURCES ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO, OUR WEBSITE, AGAIN, THINKING OF HOW WE CAN REMOVE BARRIERS IN, UH, DEVELOPING ADUS.

WE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IN.

WHAT

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FIRST, HOW TO CONSTRUCT AN A DU INCLUDING A, UH, CONTRACTOR LIST.

SO WE HAVE A, A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY REGISTERED THROUGH OUR CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONTRACTOR CONNECT, UM, THAT WE HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND.

UM, HAVE A BACKGROUND IN DEVELOPING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND ADU.

UM, SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, CONTRACTORS THAT ARE VETTED.

UM, THAT LIST IS ON OUR WEBSITE.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR PERMIT READY PLANS THAT WERE JUST LAUNCHED, UM, ACTUALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF LA OR THE END OF LAST WEEK AND AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND THEN, UM, ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND HOW TO FINANCE IN A DU LOOKING AT FINANCING TOOLS AGAIN.

SO OVERALL LOOKING AT HOW CAN I REMOVE BARRIERS AND BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND, UM, MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE FOR A COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO'S NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT SPACE AND FAMILIAR WITH THAT SPACE.

'CAUSE IT CAN BE A LITTLE INTIMIDATING AND HOW THEY CONSTRUCT AN A DU.

SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A PREVIEW OF OUR, OUR WEBSITE WITH OUR PERMIT READY PLANS.

UM, SO WE HAVE HALF OF THESE ARE, HAVE GONE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REVIEW.

UH, SOME OF THESE ARE STILL IN PROCESS BECAUSE THESE PLANS ARE REALLY LOOKED AT AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CALL THEM PROTOTYPE PLANS, BUT WE ARE CALLING THEM PERMIT READY PLANS BECAUSE THE, THE CITY, THESE ARE GONNA BE PLANS THAT, UM, AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS APPROVED.

A COMMUNITY MEMBER COULD COME AND REACH OUT TO US AS AN, AS A DEPARTMENT AND ASK FOR A COPY OF THESE PLANS SO THEY COULD CONSTRUCT AN A DU ON THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A COPY, THEY'LL NEED TO HAVE AN A DU AFFIDAVIT SIGNED AND RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY STATING THAT THEY'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY AND THAT THEY LIVE ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WITH THE, WITH OUR, AND WITHIN OUR UDC ALSO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THEY CONSTRUCT THE A DU WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THESE PLANS OUT THERE.

UM, IT, IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE THEM, BUT WE ALSO, THE PURPOSE IS TO INCENTIVIZE AND PROVIDE WAYS TO CREATE MORE ADUS AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.

SO WE HAVE THESE FIVE, UM, MODELS AGAIN.

UM, SO WHAT CONSISTS OF, OF A WHAT CONSISTS OF A PERMIT READY PLAN, ESSENTIALLY IT IS, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT CAN BE APPLICABLE TO ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY IN THE PERMITTED ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, BUT THEY ARE NOT SITE SPECIFIC.

AND SO THEY ALSO INCLUDE MEP, UM, IN THOSE PLANS AS WELL.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBER WOULD HAVE TO DO IS KIND OF TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND MAKE IT SITE SPECIFIC, GET THEIR FOUNDATION PLANS, ET CETERA, AND GET THAT DONE.

SO THAT OUR PLANS ARE REALLY KIND OF A STEPPING POINT IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING YOU THE BEGINNING OF THAT PERMITTING PHASE.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO, EVERY SITE WITHIN SAN ANTONIO IS DIFFERENT, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT, BECAUSE THESE ARE APPLICABLE TO BE UTILIZED CITYWIDE, WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT.

EVERY SITE'S DIFFERENT.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOUR SOILS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S WHY THESE ARE NOT SITE SPECIFIC.

THEY'RE JUST MEANT TO BE GENERALLY UTILIZED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND SO THE PERMIT READY PLAN THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU ALL, UM, WE HAD A SOLICITATION, SO IN RFQ THAT WAS RELEASED, UM, EARLIER THIS SPRING TO RECEIVE, UH, SUBMISSIONS FOR, UH, FOR THESE PERMIT READY PLANS.

SO, UH, THE ONES THAT I SHOWED ON THE SLIDE BEFORE WERE SELECTED AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH SINCE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

UM, WE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE OF THESE PERMIT READY PLANS TO BE APPLICABLE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, UM, UH, JUST GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AGAIN, CAN BE A LITTLE BURDENSOME COST-WISE FOR SOME, FOR SOME FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO, AGAIN, KIND OF JUMPSTART THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF CONSTRUCTING AN A DU.

SO THAT IS THE INTENT OF US COMING FORWARD TO YOU ALL.

WE TRIED TO UTILIZE A PLAN THAT WE FELT WAS, UM, VERY NEUTRAL IN DESIGN.

UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE THAT COULD BE COMPATIBLE TO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WORKING WITH CORY, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS ACTUAL A DU HAS BEEN BUILT, UM, BY A LOCAL NONPROFIT CALLED OUR CASA'S, UM, RESIDENT COUNCIL.

SO IT'S, UH, IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE AND IT'S ONE OF OUR FEW ADUS THAT THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT.

THE OTHER ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE VISIONARY AT THIS POINT.

UM, BUT WE ARE ABLE, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND DO A TOUR OF THIS.

WE, UM, PROVIDED INCENTIVES FOR THIS PROJECT THROUGH OTHER MEANS AND, UM, THROUGH OTHER HOUSING

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DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

BUT, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS AND COREY CAN SPEAK TO THOSE A BIT MORE IN THE DESIGN THAT WAS ULTIMATELY, UM, WORKED OUT ON THIS PLAN.

AND SO, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST, UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE, THE A DU ITSELF.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COLOR IS UNIQUE TO JUST THIS, THIS HOUSE, UM, AND IT, IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE ITSELF AND IT'S IN A VERY DIFFERENT AREA ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF VIVID COLORS IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT IS NOT INTENTIONAL TO WHAT COULD BE, UH, APPLIED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S, THAT'S THE, THE PREFERENCE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WHAT IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED AND DECIDED BY YOU ALL.

SO I, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON OUR PROGRAM AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND, UM, WHY WE ARE COMING FORWARD TO YOU TODAY.

AND SO, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SPECIFICATIONS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE DESIGN, I THINK COREY CAN ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THAT.

KRISTEN.

I WILL JUST ADD A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, THE DESIRE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE AS PERMIT READY SPECIFICALLY FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS REALLY CAME FROM PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE A DU POLICY.

UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS THINGS COME IN AND AS THERE'S, UM, PROPOSALS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE.

AND SO WE WANTED TO A NOT, UM, EXEMPT HISTORIC DISTRICTS FROM HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AFFORDABLE AVAILABILITY OF PERMIT READY PLANS, BUT THEN ALSO TO ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY FOR.

SO, UM, THERE WERE A FEW THAT WERE PROPOSED, UM, THAT YOU COULD, THAT ANYBODY TODAY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE CITYWIDE.

UM, BUT WE, AS KRISTEN MENTIONED, PICKED THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY SMALL AND SO IT'S GONNA BE COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF SCALE IN PRETTY MUCH ANY SCENARIO.

UM, AND THEN WE ADDED A FEW, UM, TWEAKS TO THE DESIGN.

AND SO YOU SEE THOSE IN THE PERMIT SET IN THE EXHIBITS.

YOU DON'T SEE THEM IN THIS PHOTO.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF ONE THAT'S BEEN BUILT.

BUT THE, UM, PLANS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR, FOR APPROVAL TODAY HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TO INCLUDE NORMAL STIPULATIONS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY INCLUDE, UM, IF WE WERE VIEWING THOSE.

AND SO THAT'S THE SLOPED SOFFIT DETAIL THAT IS STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOWS.

AND THAT'S THE ADDITION OF A WINDOW.

AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON THAT, I GUESS FRONT ELEVATION IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT.

UM, AND SO, UH, WITH THAT CONTEXT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE HCRC WOULD REVIEW THE DESIGN TODAY.

UM, THIS DOESN'T ENSURE THAT ANY SORT OF INFLUX OF ADUS WOULD HAPPEN.

IT JUST BECOMES AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO UTILIZE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN BUILDING ONE.

UM, TODAY, YOU KNOW THAT YOU GET A DU REQUESTS ALL THE TIME IN A STORE DISTRICT.

SO WE REVIEW THOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, IF THIS DESIGN IS APPROVED TODAY, WHAT THAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THEY WOULD NOT BE EXEMPT FROM THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

THEY WOULD COME FOR A PERMIT AND THEY WOULD SHOW THAT THEY'RE USING THIS DESIGN.

AND SO IT JUST WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THAT LEVEL OF REVIEW.

WE WOULD REVIEW THIS SITE PLAN, UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY RELATED COMPONENTS TO THE INSTALLATION OF A DU, LIKE PARKING OR FENCING OR SOMETHING TO THE SITE, THOSE WOULD BE REVIEWED BY OHP LIKE THEY NORMALLY WOULD.

SO SOMETHING MIGHT COME TO YOU FOR AN HDRC HEARING IF IT TRIGGERS IT.

UM, IF NOT, THEN IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THESE PLANS.

COMMISSIONER SNO? YES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF TO FURTHER CLAR CLARIFY THAT PROCESS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JUST CLARIFY THAT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, NOW THAT THERE WOULD BE AS IS OR EVEN WITH SOME STIPULATION CHANGES, IT WOULD GO TO PERMITTING.

IT WOULD NEVER COME TO YOU GUYS UNLESS THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTION.

IT WOULD NEED A COA AND A PERMIT.

BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT WOULD BE STREAMLINED.

SO THEY BASICALLY WOULD COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN, SHOW THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING THIS DESIGN MM-HMM.

, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE COA IN HAND FROM US TO GET THAT PERMIT.

AND IT'S, UNLESS THERE'S A SUBSTITUTION, A MATERIAL OR SOME OTHER DESIGN FEATURE, THEN PERHAPS IT MIGHT COME TO THE COMMISSION.

ALL IT REALLY ELIMINATES IS THE NEED, THE OBLIGATION TO HIRE DESIGN SERVICES TO START FROM SCRATCH.

AND SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING SOMETHING THAT WILL GET A PERMIT, THEY WON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT OR HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO MAKE CHANGES.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IS BEING STREAMLINED HERE.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WAS ALSO, UM, A LITTLE VARIED FROM THAT COST ESTIMATE BECAUSE THEIR PRIMARY STRUCTURE WAS ALSO BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION REGARDING PROCESS IS THAT THEN THOSE CASES, WHETHER IT WAS A STANDARD REVIEW OR AN EXPEDITED REVIEW, IT WOULD APPEAR ON THE PORTAL, THE PUBLIC PORTAL? YES.

UM, SO WE HAVE, IF IT'S A, UH, STANDARD REVIEW, IT'S A 10 DAY PERIOD, THAT WOULD BE ON THE O HBS PUBLIC PORTAL.

SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

UM, OKAY.

THE NEXT QUESTIONS I HAVE QUICKLY FOR THE APPLICANT.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, DID, UM, WITH THE VARIOUS, UM, WITH THE VARIOUS SCHEMES OR PROPOSALS, WHAT, FIVE, SIX OF THEM, UM, DID YOU ALSO CREATE A, AN ESTIMATE OR A RANGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COST TO HELP GUIDE APPLICANTS? YES.

SO WE DO HAVE COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DESIGN.

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AND THE ORGANIZATION THAT BUILT, THEY ALSO HAVE THE TOOLS.

THEY KIND OF, THEY KNOW THEIR CONTRACTORS, THEY KNOW THE MATERIALS IN, IN GENERAL.

SO WE WILL HAVE COST ESTIMATES PLACED ON THE WEBSITE.

BUT THE ONE REASON, ANOTHER REASON THAT THIS DESIGN WAS SELECTED THROUGH THE SOLICITATION PROCESS WAS BECAUSE OF THAT MODERATE RANGE.

SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF RANGES OF 80 PRICE RANGES OF ADUS THAT ARE SHOWED ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE ADUS THAT ARE APPLICABLE FOR, FOR REALLY EVERYBODY.

BUT ALSO WE WANNA CONSIDER THOSE THAT, UM, REALLY ONLY NEED TO CREATE OR CAN CREATE AN A DU THAT'S MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 90,000 OR LESS.

AND ARE THESE DESIGNS INTENDED TO BE ONE SHEET DOCUMENTS? SO WE DO HAVE, WITH THIS, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SHEETS THAT ARE INCORPORATED, UM, AGAIN, MAINLY FOR THE, UH, MEP SERVICES.

AND, UM, THIS ONE ACTUALLY KIND OF GOES A LITTLE BIT EVEN BEYOND THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AND THEY HAD THAT INFORMATION.

UM, OTHER DESIGNS DON'T, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

MAKE IT TO INDIVIDUALIZE IT.

UM, I DO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES OR CONCERNS OR RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN ON THE EXTERIOR AND WHAT THAT PRESENTS.

AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WAS THAT, UM, HOW WILL IT CORRESPOND TO A SPECIFIC HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A DIFFERENT, UM, PRIMARY STRUCTURE? 'CAUSE THE TWO SHOULD RELATE.

SO I, I HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LET MY COLLEAGUES ALSO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

UM, UH, FIRST I WANTED TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY.

AND I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, UH, OPPORTUNITY.

AND, AND IT ALSO IS PUTTING, UH, KIND OF THE RUBBER TO THE ROAD BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT POLICY CHANGES AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE IT'S GOT MOMENTUM AND THAT IT'S VERY REAL.

SO FROM A RESULT BASED PERSPECTIVE, IT'S VERY EXCITING AND, AND REALLY THE CITIES TO BE COMMENDED FOR, UM, MA MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NORMAL.

IT IS, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY.

AND I KNOW THAT, UH, ZEKE FROM MARKUS IS HERE AND SEE 'EM SIT IN THE BACK.

AND ALSO, UH, TO THEIR HARD WORK TO TRY TO CREATE AFFORDABILITY.

AS WE KNOW, ONE OF THE HARDEST CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE IS WE, WITH THE RESPECT TO AFFORDABILITY AND WHERE IS THAT APPROPRIATE? AND WE ALL PROBABLY SHOULD AGREE THAT AFFORDABILITY IS APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE AND REALLY SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE.

UM, THERE'S A, A, A COMMENT THAT, UM, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD THAT I THINK IS VERY RELEVANT.

I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER SABINO BROUGHT IT UP AS WELL, WH WHEN WE LOOK AT A FLOOR PLAN, UH, THE INTERIOR IS NOT REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THE HDRC, BUT THE EXTERIOR IS, AND THE SIMPLICITY OF THE DESIGN, IT, IT CAN REALLY SPEAK MANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES BY MAKING A TWEAK HERE OR THERE THAT PROBABLY NOT SUBSTANTIALLY WOULD CHANGE.

UH, ITS, ITS PRICE.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THE SKIN, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THAT WAS MADE, UM, WHEN YOU GET INTO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, A DIFFERENT PROFILE OF, OF THE WALL, UM, BECOMES A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT.

HAVE, HAVE Y'ALL CONSIDERED THE ABILITY TO, TO HAVE A, A COST TAKEOFF OF THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT.

WHICH DOESN'T AFFECT THE SINK OR THE TUB OR, UH, OR WHAT'S, HOW THE BEDROOM LOOKS, BUT MIGHT AFFECT HOW THE SKIN RELATES TO THE OTHER BUILDING.

TO THE, LET'S SAY IT'S NOT A NEW, UH, BUILDING AND AN A DU, BUT IT'S AN OLD BUILDING IN A DU.

UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORKED INTO THE PLAN? UH, UH, THE, THE, THE AVAIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE A WOOD PROFILE THAT'S SMALLER 'CAUSE IT RELATES TO THE YEAR OR LARGER? 'CAUSE IT RELATES TO THE YEAR.

HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT THAT? I'M GONNA DEFAULT TO CORY ON THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD REVIEW FOR THE, THE COA.

SO THIS IS, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S CONSISTENT IN ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE WITH RESPECT TO HOW IT RELATES.

SO WHAT WE'VE STIPULATED IS THAT IT'D BE A SMOOTH, HARDY PRODUCT, UM, WITH A MAXIMUM SIX INCH REVEAL.

THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD, UH, STIPULATION FOR SIDING THAT WE'VE INCLUDED ON, ON THIS TYPE OF PROJECT FOR YEARS NOW.

UM, AND SO WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF PAST REVIEWS.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SORT OF A DESIRE LIKE, OKAY, IF IT'S A STUCCO HOUSE, WE WANT A STUCCO, A DU TO MATCH AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I, I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF MANY EXAMPLES WHERE WE'VE REQUIRED SOMEBODY TO BE SO MATCHY MATCHY WITH THE PRIMARY, WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY IS THEY SHOULD RELATE, BUT SHOULD ALSO BE SIMPLIFIED.

AND SO WE REALLY TRIED TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WAS REALLY UNIVERSAL.

UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PERFECT MATCH IN EVERY SCENARIO, BUT AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY LIVES IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO USE THE DESIGN.

IT JUST MEANS IT'S AN AVAILABLE OPTION.

AND COREY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I, THE THE WAY THAT I'M INTERPRETING THAT IS THAT IN, IN, IN THE GENERAL PAST OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, REVIEWS, UM, WHEN SOMEONE, UH, PROPOSES AN A DU, LET'S SAY OUTSIDE OF THIS, THAT TYPICALLY WE, WE WOULD ALLOW THE HARDY BOARD AND, AND WE'VE COME WANNA SEE THEIR GRAIN SIDE.

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RIGHT? IT IS.

THE THREE, UH, THINGS THAT WE HAD THEM CHANGE WERE THE, THE SIDING SPECIFICATION, THE SLOPE SOFFIT.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, IT'S LIKE A BOX SOFFIT.

SO IN THE DRAWINGS YOU SEE, IT'S MORE THAT HISTORIC ROOF EVE PROFILE.

UM, AND THEN JUST THE NORMAL WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND ONE, ONE OTHER REAL QUICK ONE, AND AND PERSON SAID FOR INSTANCE, THAT THEY HAD EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED FOR THIS A DU.

BUT SAY THEY HAD A METAL ROOF ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEY SAID, BUT I'D LIKE THIS TO HAVE A METAL ROOF.

WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, THAT ALTERATION? YEAH, THEY COULD.

THAT WOULDN'T REALLY IMPACT THE PERMITTING THAT MUCH.

UM, BUT AGAIN, LIKE WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE IT, SO WE WOULDN'T SAY THE ROOF HAS TO MATCH THE ROOF OF THE PRIMARY.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE DOING IN PRACTICE NOW.

BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY COME TO THE HDRC TO WEIGH IN ON A DECISION LIKE THAT.

IF THERE WAS EVER A, A PROPOSAL TO MODIFY THIS IN A WAY THAT WAS BEYOND KIND OF THE SCOPE OF THIS APPROVAL, IT WOULD ALWAYS COME HERE FOR A DECISION.

THANK.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES.

CAN YOU TALK TO ME IN DETAIL ABOUT THE VETTING PROCESS THAT YOU ESTABLISHED FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO BE, UH, USED ON STUFF LIKE THIS? SPECIFICALLY THE WHO, HOW, AND WHY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO THE, THE CONTRACTORS, AGAIN, WE REALLY CREATED A CONTRACTOR LIST, UH, RESOURCE LIST, UM, THAT BUILDS OFF OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILD, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMERA IS, SO I'M JUST STARING AT THE SCREEN.

UM, THAT BUILDS OFF OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, CONTRACTOR CONNECT, UM, DATABASE THAT THEY HAVE NOW.

SO THEY HAVE, UH, ESSENTIALLY LICENSING CRITERIA.

THEY HAVE, UH, TESTING CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET, UM, TO QUALIFY, UH, TO EVEN REGISTER FOR CONTRACTOR CONNECT.

AND THEY ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF TIERS OF HOW YOU CAN BE RECOGNIZED AS A CONTRACTOR, UM, SUCH AS A, A, A PREMIER OR A REGISTERED PLUS CONTRACTOR.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT NOTED ON OUR WEBSITE TOO, WHEN THERE ARE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE PART OF OUR LIST THAT HAVE THOSE CERTAIN DESIGNATIONS OR TIERS THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ALSO RECOGNIZES.

SO WE, WE DREW FROM THAT LIST ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE, UM, THAT WAS AGAIN, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY VETTED WITH THE CITY AND ALREADY HAVE LICENSING WITH THE CITY.

SO COREY, AGAIN, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED TO THIS, I JUST WANNA ASK YOU ONE MORE TIME HERE TO STAFF.

SO LET'S SAY I OWN A, LET'S SAY I OWN A FOLK VICTORIAN HOUSE, AND THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE THAT I HAVE.

AND I WANT TO TAKE THIS CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE.

I WANNA GET THE PLANS, I WANNA GET IT PUSHED THROUGH AND GET THE PERMIT READY.

AND I BUILT THIS IN MY BACKYARD.

THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA CLASH WITH THE DESIGN OF MY HOUSE.

WHAT ARE THE RESOURCE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE COURSE OF ACTION IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE.

I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE DESIGN.

UM, IF THIS CAME FOR A VICTORIAN HOUSE, WE WOULDN'T TAKE ISSUE WITH THE STYLE.

IF THIS CAME WITH A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE, WE WOULDN'T TAKE AN ISSUE WITH THE STYLE.

IF THIS CAME WITH A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL HOUSE, WE WOULDN'T TAKE AN ISSUE WITH THE STYLE.

SO AGAIN, LIKE OUR, OUR THINKING IS THAT THIS IS SIMPLE AND DESIGN, SO IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA CREATE A CONFLICT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

AND I WANNA ADD TO, I THINK COREY MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A, A TOOL, ANOTHER TOOL THAT SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY COULD ALS COULD UTILIZE.

UM, AGAIN, SOMEONE WHO'S NOT NECESSARILY FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO CONSTRUCT ANYTHING OR IS NEW TO THAT SPACE, WE WANT TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT FEAR IN KIND OF TAKING THAT FIRST STEP.

UM, THERE ARE, I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME TO YOU WITH THEIR CUSTOMIZED DESIGNS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO.

WHEN THESE COME IN FOR CONSTRUCTION, LIKE THEY MIGHT CHOOSE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT BASED ON, I MEAN, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S BUILT YEARS FROM NOW, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT'S AVAILABLE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF REMOVING BARRIERS IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO CONSTRUCT AN A DU, BUT AGAIN, AS COREY MENTIONED REALLY THAT THAT INITIAL DESIGN FEE AS WELL.

MR. SINO, UM, MR. CHAIR, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

ONE FOR STAFF, UM, STAFF IN THE, IN THE CASE FILE.

UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND YOU, AND YOU DO SAY THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD IDEALLY BE IN, BE IN SET A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES.

WHY IS THE OHP GUIDELINE WINDOW POLICY IN ITS ENTIRETY NOT BEING A APPLIED TO THIS AS IT WOULD TYPICALLY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? I MEAN, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE NORMAL WINDOW STIPULATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, VERY OFTEN WE LAND ON WOOD WINDOWS OR CLAD PRODUCTS, AS YOU KNOW.

BUT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IS, WE'RE NOT SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC MATERIAL.

WE'RE SPECIFYING THAT IT BE DOUBLE HUNG INSET TWO INCHES AND HAVE THE NORMAL DIMENSIONALITY.

CORRECT.

AND WE ARE PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WINDOW SPECIFIED IN THESE PLANTS.

AND SO, AS WHEN THE, UM,

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AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SORT OF AN UMBRELLA, UH, THAT THEY COULD WORK UNDER.

WELL, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE DOES INCLUDE VINYL WINDOWS, SO THEY'RE BEING PRETTY SPECIFIC, BUT NOT SPECKING A MAKER, RIGHT? YOU DUNNO THE PRODUCT.

YES.

BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT HAVING THAT POLICY FRONT WOULD HELP THEM HI, HELP GUIDE THE CONTRACTOR OR THE OWNER TO LOOK FOR A RANGE OF PRODUCTS OR MATERIALS THAT COULD SATISFY THE WINDOW POLICY.

IT'S SOMETHING WE APPLY TO ALL OF THE ADUS OR ALL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION NADU'S AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, I'M SORRY FOR, UM, AT THE APPLICANT, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S JUST REALLY GNAWING AT ME, UM, CAN YOU COME UP WITH A, UH, ANOTHER DE DESIGN SOLUTION FOR CENTERING THE FRONT DOOR? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN ACHIEVE? RIGHT? I, I CAN CALL UP ZEKE, UM, BECAUSE HE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE FAMILIAR, UM, WITH THE, THE INSIDE AND THE INTERIOR OF THIS.

BUT UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN YOU, THEY TRIED TO MAKE THIS AS A DA, UH, OR AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU WERE, UM, WALKING INTO THE BEDROOM, WHICH WOULD BE ON YOUR, YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.

AND THERE'S ALSO A SPACE FOR, UM, A CLOSET WITH A, WITH A WATER TANK AS WELL.

SO ZEKE, IF YOU WANT TO, SO ZEKE'S WITH OUR CASAS AND THEY CONSTRUCTED THIS A DU GOOD AFTERNOON.

AND ACTUALLY, UM, OUR MAIN PERSON IS, SIR, COME TO THE MIC PLEASE.

YES, MA'AM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GABRIEL.

HOW ARE YOU? ACTUALLY OUR MAIN PERSON CONSTRUCTION DIRECTOR IS, SIR, YOU CAN START.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

SURE.

ZEKE ROMO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OUR CASA'S RESIDENT COUNCIL.

WE'RE A NONPROFIT.

IT'S BEEN IN, UM, THE CITY FOR 20 SOME YEARS.

WE BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES.

WE ALSO, UH, DO OWNER REPAIR HOMES AND WE ALSO ARE A HUD AGENCY, HEAD COUNSELING AGENCY.

OUR, UM, MAIN PERSON DESIGNED THEM IS ELA CASANOVA, WHO'S NAME, UH, THE PILOT PROJECT ON HERE.

SHE WAS CALLED HER JURY DUTY.

THANKS TODAY OF COURSE, THERE'S NO WAY I WAS GONNA KEEP HER FROM THAT.

SO SHE'S THE ONE WITH ALL THE DETAILS.

BUT THIS HOUSE WAS DESIGNED AS, UM, VELASQUEZ WAS SAYING NOT JUST TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT ALSO FOR FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE WEST SIDE WHERE WE TARGET THE NEAR WEST SIDE, IS TO BUILD ACCUMULATE WEALTH, TO BE ABLE TO PASS ON WEALTH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, INCOME AND BE ABLE TO, UH, PASS THAT ONTO THEIR HEIRS.

THE, THE, FROM THEN ON THE PARTICULAR HOUSE HERE, WE BUILT IT WITH THE IDEA THAT IT CAN BE A STANDALONE HOME FOR EITHER A FAMILY MEMBER OR FOR RENTAL, DEPENDING ON THE, REQUIRE THE NEED OF THE, UM, PRINCIPAL, THE OWNER OF THE PRINCIPAL HOUSE.

SIR, CAN I STOP YOU FOR A MOMENT PLEASE? UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT, BUT THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS, UM, FOCUS ON THE DOOR AND DOOR BEING CENTERED.

SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

NECESSARY.

AND WILL YOU GIVE ME THE QUESTION AGAIN PLEASE? SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE PORCH NOT BEING, IT POSSIBLE IT'S BE CENTER THE DOOR ABOUT THE ENTRY, THE COVERED ENTRY STOOP.

RIGHT NOW IT'S OFF CENTER, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF DESIGN WORK HAS GONE INTO MAKING THIS A SYMMETRICAL ELEVATION.

MM-HMM.

THE, UH, THE, OF COURSE IT'S HAS TO BE, WE RECEIVE FUNDS FROM HOME, THE CITY, FEDERAL FUNDS.

SO WE UNIVERSALLY DESIGN THEM.

SO THE DOORS HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S THE LOCATION, NOT THE SIZE, BUT THE LOCATION.

UM, I'LL JUST, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR REASON WHY WE DID THERE OR NOT, BUT, OKAY.

THERE'S, THANK YOU.

SO ON THE FLOOR PLAN, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, EDWARD EDWARD, THERE'S A STACKED WASHER DRYER CONNECTION THERE TO THE LEFT ENTRY.

UM, THIS IS A VERY EFFICIENT PLAN.

SO THEY'RE PACKING A LOT INTO 375 SQUARE FEET.

I, I, I AGREE.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE SPACE PLANNING ON THE INSIDE GREATLY AFFECTS THE EXTERIOR, THE LOCATIONS OF THE WINDOWS.

FOR INSTANCE, THE EXTRA WINDOW THAT THE OHP IS REQUESTING YOU INCLUDE.

AND, UM, I I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, REWORKING THE SPACE PLANNING CAN GIVE YOU A, A SYMMETRICAL.

IF I MAY ADD, WE DID DO A LOT OF, UH, SHOPPING AROUND FOR SMALLER APPLIANCES.

AND TO BE HONEST, THOSE WERE MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THE TYPE OF, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE.

SO THAT ALSO HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE, THE DESIGN OF IT.

MY COLLEAGUE'S MIND ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR, BUT IT WAS CHOMPING AT MINE.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? GO AHEAD, SIR.

MR. CHAIR, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF Y'ALL WILL ANSWER.

WE'LL TAG TEAM, WE'LL THROW IT AT, I'LL THROW IT AT YOU.

UH, SO IT WAS, UH, GNA AT

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SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY, UH, BUG OR, AND THE WAY THINGS ARE SET UP INSIDE.

SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, OVER ON THE RIGHT ON THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, WHERE THE VALVES ARE THAT, THAT LABEL, THAT IS WHERE A STACKED WASHER DRYER IS, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE.

THEN THERE'S ALSO A CLOSET SPACE, UM, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT.

SO AGAIN, AS ZEKE MENTIONED, ALL OF THIS WAS DESIGNED TO BE UNIVERSAL, HAVE THE UNIVERSAL DESIGNED, AND THAT'S ESPECIALLY EVIDENT IN THE, THE BATHROOM SHOWER SIZE, THE TURNING RADIUS TO GET INTO THE BEDROOM.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT IS KIND OF LIMITING IN HOW MUCH SPACE IT TAKES UP.

AND THEN, AND THEN KIND OF ON THAT FRONT WALL, 'CAUSE THEN ON THE OPPOSITE END IS YOUR, YOUR KITCHEN SPACE.

SO AND THE CLOSET SIZE, COULD IT BE PUSHED OVER JUST A BIT? I'D, I'D HAVE TO CHECK FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

AND AGAIN, ZEKE MENTIONED MARIELLA, SHE'S OUT AT JURY DUTY, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ASK HER.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT SHE DESIGNED IT IN A WAY TO BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE.

I'LL ADD, LIKE, WHEN WE REVIEWED THE SEC COMMITTEE, UM, WE'RE NOT BLIND.

LIKE WE CAN TELL THE DOORS OFF CENTERED.

WE ALL SAW IT.

MM-HMM.

UM, I THINK WHEN IT'S LOOKING AT US LIKE THIS, WE HAVE A LASER FOCUS ON THAT ELEVATION AND IT'S VERY CLEAR, OH, JUST SCOOCH IT OVER.

BUT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE, SO IT'S AS AFFORDABLE AS POSSIBLE.

PERHAPS THE PORCH COULD BE MODIFIED 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE EXTERIOR AND DOESN'T IMPACT THE INTERIOR PLANE.

BUT WE MADE THE DECISION TO SAY THIS IS PROBABLY FINE AS IT IS.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO, OR THE CLOSET COULD BE SHRUNK JUST A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS BECAUSE THE DOOR IS SIX INCHES OFF CENTER, MR. CHAIR, BUT IT STILL COULD BE SHRUNK.

MR. CHAIR, I'D BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE.

I HAD A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS.

I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.

UM, QUEZ, UH, LET'S SEE.

AND THEN IS THIS ONLY GOING ON SINGLE FAMILY ZONE PROPERTIES? RIGHT.

SO, UM, ADUS ARE ONLY PERMITTED ON THE MAJORITY OF SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES.

OBVIOUSLY, IF, UM, YOU ARE FURTHER OUT JUST TALKING ABOUT ALL OUR PERMIT READY PLANS IN GENERAL, NOT JUST FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA THAT IS, UH, HOA AND YOU HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON DEVELOPING H UM, ADUS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATION ZONING DISTRICT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT AN A DU.

AND THEN I THINK YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THIS A FEW TIMES, BUT IT IS CUSTOMIZABLE.

IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO FIT IN BETTER WITH THE MAIN, UH, HOUSING UNIT, YOU COULD RIGHT.

BUT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.

IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.

AND IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR FULL PERMITTING REVIEW PROCESS OR THE CITY'S FULL PERMITTING REVIEW PROCESS.

AND THEN IN CREATING THIS, DID THIS GO BEFORE NEIGHBORHOODS? DID THIS GO BEFORE WHAT COMMITTEES? BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, FROM THE LETTER THAT'S HERE FROM DITY, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY HEAR OF THIS.

I MEAN, THIS SAYS THIS, AND SAME FOR KING WILLIAM.

THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM.

SO WE ARE WELCOMING, WELCOMING PUBLIC FEEDBACK AT THIS MEETING.

AND THEN, I MEAN, YEAH, I ALSO, THAT WAS MY MAIN COMMENT.

I ALSO SAID LIKE WAS JUST BRING THIS BEFORE NEIGHBOR, WE HEAR YOU.

LIKE IF THERE'S AN ANTICIPATION THAT THIS IS GONNA BE WIDELY AVAILABLE, THEN I UNDERSTAND WHY A NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

BUT THIS WENT THROUGH A FORMAL SOLICITATION AND THAT'S A VERY CUT AND DRY PROCESS, AND WE HAVE STEPS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

AND SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO MANAGE THAT.

I'LL JUST SAY.

AND SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITY.

WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS NOT GONNA BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

AND WE THINK WE'VE DONE THAT.

MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THAT QUESTION? WELL, I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COMMISSIONER SABINO MADE COMMENTS.

SHE WANTED MAKE A MOTION AND I'D, I WOULD BE HONEST, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION AS WELL.

AND, AND PROBABLY IN MY MIND BEFORE SHE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE APPROPRIATE PROTOCOL FOR WHO SHOULD MAKE A MOTION OR NOT.

I JUST, BUT I'M VERY EXCITED TO GET INTO CONVERSATION AMONGST BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WHERE WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION AMONGST US THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY HAVING TO INCLUDE STAFF QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY TO QUESTIONS.

WE CAN COME AROUND TO THAT IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION.

MAYBE WE CAN GET INTO AN ARCHITECTURAL DIALOGUE OF, OF SOME VALUE.

SO IF COMMISSIONER SAVINO DOESN'T MIND, I CAN MAKE A MOTION AND THEN I'D LIKE WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

MR. CHAIR.

WELL, ONE MOMENT.

SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THE, THE GENERAL LADY IN THE AUDIENCE RAISE YOUR HAND TO, TO SPEAK.

YEAH, I WANT, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU, ABOUT US NOT KNOWING ANYTHING AND IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD COME TO IDENTITY, WE,

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YEAH, WE WILL.

WE'LL COME AROUND TO THAT, MA'AM.

SO, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF FURTHER CONVERSATION, WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE NEEDS TO OCCUR, I WANT A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ALSO WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU TO RETURN TO A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN TALK MORE IN DEPTH ON SOME OF THESE SECOND CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, SO WE MOVE IN PROPERLY.

A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION.

MY AND MY QUICK COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, I KNOW THAT THE DOOR CAN BE CENTERED.

I'VE LAID THIS OUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

IT'S TOTALLY DOABLE AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN SAVE YOU A LITTLE MONEY EVEN BY DOING THAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY WOULD APPRECIATE.

UM, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD APPEAR AND RESPOND TO HOUSES IN DIFFERENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

ROOF FORMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

WE TALK ABOUT ROOF FORMS, UM, RELATING TO THE PRIMARY HOUSE.

OFTEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WINDOWS AND WINDOW PATTERNS ALSO, UH, RES RESPOND TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO I THINK THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE IN A DRC.

UM, MR. CHAIR, LET, I WANT TO, UH, DI DIVE US IN A LITTLE DEEPER INTO TO THE CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK I WANT TO GET COREY'S EAR ON THE SUSPICION.

UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THE MAIN THING IS THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MOBILIZED FORWARD.

AND THERE'S A CUTOFF FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO MAKE A CONCESSION FOR AFFORDABILITY.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT THROUGH THE CITY'S, UH, ORDINANCE THAT ENABLES US TO LOOK AT THINGS THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS, WHICH ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY TO, TO, AND I KIND OF REPRESENT HOW WE INTERPRET THAT IN THAT CORY, UH, I, MR. CHAIR, I, I WOULD, I WOULD WONDER, COREY, JUST, JUST FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT THE PURVIEW OF THE HDRC AS PRIMARILY THE EXTERIOR, AND IN WHICH CASE IF WE LOOK AT THE EXTERIOR AS A KIT OF PARTS, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN EXTEND THE, THE VENEERS OF THIS HOUSE AND BE ABLE TO PULL FROM THAT KIT OF PARTS.

LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE ONUS GOES ON THE, ON THE OOHP OR THE HDRC TO CREATE A KIT OF PARTS THAT ADDRESSES A VICTORIAN SCENARIO OR A KIT OF PARTS THAT, THAT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS A, A HOUSE THAT VERY, VERY CLEARLY SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF THE WEST SIDE AND WHICH HAS, UH, GOT SOME OF THE FINEST HISTORIC STOCK.

AND, AND THIS IS NOT OUTTA CONTEXT, RIGHT? BUT PERHAPS IT'S OUTTA CONTEXT IN, UH, MONTE MONTE VISTA, RIGHT? BUT MAYBE WITH SKINS, UH, THAT, THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD THEIR FINANCIAL TAKEOFFS THAT, THAT THOSE SKINS CAN BE EMPLOYED.

AND ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, WHAT COMMISSIONER UH, UM, UH, MONICA OVER HERE IS, IS SAYING PERHAPS A PITCH CHANGES, BUT THAT THE HEART OF THE DESIGN IS SET AND THAT, AND THAT SOMEHOW WE WOULD OBLIGE THE HDRC TO CERTAIN COMMITMENTS GOING INTO, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE FINDINGS ALWAYS SAID, AND AS WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE HDRC IN 2024 SO THAT FUTURE H DRCS CAN'T VEER FROM THE AGREEMENTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE.

UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE, THE LADIES, UM, UM, A A QUESTION OF IF WE WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, THERE ARE MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN THE CITY, AND IT WOULDN'T, IT, IT SHOULDN'T ONLY GIVE PURVIEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT ARE HISTORIC, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF FAIRNESS ACROSS THE BOARD, WHICH IS WAY TOO MUCH.

BUT IF WE CAN COME TO A POINT AND WITH AN HDRC, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY PART OF THE SAME TEAM.

WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE MOBILIZING A SOLUTION THAT SHOULD SOMETHING SO SPECIFIC, UH, NOT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT HAVE ALREADY INSET KIT OF PARTS, UM, AVAILABLE, UM, UM, UM, VENEERS, THEN IT, IT MAY REALLY MAKE THIS THING HAVE, UM, UM, UM, EXCELLED SPEED THAT THIS IS NOT AN EFFORT TO SLOW IT DOWN.

IT'S AN EFFORT REALLY TO SPEED IT UP AND TO GIVE YOU ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO MEET, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A A WIDER VARIETY OF CRITERIA.

UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I THINK WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THAT COMMENT, RIGHT, IS TO SAY LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE IF IT WAS A WOOD PROFILE, THIS, IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS A, A UH, HARDY BOARD THAT WAS THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR CODE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE VENEER ASPECT BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF CENTERING THE DOOR AND ADDING A WINDOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO CHANGE REALLY.

CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? SURE, OF COURSE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, LIKE I REALLY DO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE IT IS, AND I MIGHT ASK KRISTEN TO HELP KIND OF CHIME IN BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WAS AWARDED BASED ON A FORMAL SOLICITATION.

THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES TO PRODUCE THE DRAWINGS HERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED AND PAID.

AND SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S FUNDING CAPACITY TO SEE REVISIONS OR SEE LIKE A, UH, MULTIPLE SETS OF, OF OPTIONS THAT COULD BE PERMITTED AND REVIEWED.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST LIMITATIONS TO HOW MUCH WE CAN TWEAK THIS.

AND, AND, AND COREY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT,

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RIGHT? BUT NOW YOU COULD REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BY A DIMENSIONAL ROOF OR AN ONE-DIMENSIONAL ROOF OR A DIFFERENT PROFILE ON THE SIDING.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

ALSO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, TODAY WHEN WE GET A REQUEST, WHEN WE REVIEW PERMITS THAT COME INTO US, THEY'RE READY TO BUILD, RIGHT? WE WILL LOOK AND SEE WHAT THIS BODY REVIEWED AND APPROVED.

AND SO WE WILL ALWAYS COMPARE THE PERMIT SET TO WHAT YOU ALL SAW AND TWEAKS HAPPEN, RIGHT? AND SO WE ALWAYS AT THAT PERMIT REVIEW WILL COMPARE AND IF THEY'RE SMALL TWEAKS, WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE, IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S NON SUBSTANTIAL, RIGHT? IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, LIKE THIS THING GOT BIGGER OR NOW IT HAS NO WINDOWS, OR IT'S TWO STORIES THAT WOULD ALWAYS COME BACK HERE.

SO WE ALREADY DO HAVE A BUILT-IN PROCESS WHERE WE CAN REVIEW CHANGES TO THE SIDING PROFILE OR MAYBE IT'S BOARD AND BATTEN VERSUS THIS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION OF SIDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GREATLY IMPACT THE REVIEW AT DSD, BUT THEY WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND DECIDE IF IT NEEDS TO GO FOR A FULL PERMIT REVIEW OR NOT.

BUT THAT KIND OF MINOR STUFF, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT GREATLY.

UM, THAT'S ALL DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY TODAY ANYWAYS.

MR. THANK YOU ONE, UM, ONE MOMENT PLEASE.

UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I SEE YOU HERE, BUT, UM, HOLD FOR ONE MOMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO MS. PHYLLIS, UM, YOU, UM, WANTED TO ADDRESS, UM, IS THE COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO MAKE OR WANTED TO MAKE? WHAT IT BASICALLY BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE LETTER IN FOR US.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU MA'AM.

I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TO YOU.

SO, UM, LET ME GET COMMISSIONER ANTES PERSON THEN I'LL LET YOU GO.

SO COMMISSIONER ANTES, GO AHEAD AND GO.

YEAH, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAS SAID, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT, I THINK WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR HEAD'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

BUT WHEN YOU START OFFERING A MENU AND THE MENU'S REAL SMALL OF DESIGN ASPECTS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE THESE THINGS AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT 'EM IN DING WHITTY HILL AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HEY LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WAS ON THE WEBSITE.

I USED EXACTLY WHAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE CITY.

WHY ARE YOU GIVING ME A HARD TIME? YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WILL COME UP AND, AND, AND TRY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, VOICE CONCERNS RIGHTLY SO.

SO I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A MENU UP, IT NEEDS TO BE A PRETTY ROBUST DESIGN MENU OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

UM, I, I SEE THIS EXAMPLE.

I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS NICE, THIS IS GREAT.

YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THEY GOT AT LOWE'S FOR $5,000 AND THEY DELIVER IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, I THINK YOU GOTTA KIND OF, KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT AS, AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA DO IF YOU PUT THIS AS A MENU OPTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLY? I, I, YEAH, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE CITY'S PUSH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, MY QUESTION REALLY FOR CORY IS IF THESE PLANS WERE BROUGHT TO OHP TODAY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF AN APPLICANT JUST BROUGHT THIS AND WANTED TO PUT AN A DU IN KING WILLIAM? SAME OUTCOME? WE, WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE BEEN CONSENT AGENDA APPROVED, BUT NOT ADMIN APPROVED? NO.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING THE HCRC TO APPROVE THIS DESIGN.

AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL KIND OF APPLICATION WHERE IT GOES ON THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.

IF THERE WAS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING TO SERVE THE A DU, WE WOULD REVIEW THAT AS WE NORMALLY WOULD TOO.

SO IF PARKING PADS SOMETIMES ARE ADMINISTRATIVE, IF THEY'RE LESS THAN 144 SQUARE FEET, SOMETIMES THEY COME HERE IF THEY'RE GREATER.

AND CAN I ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING ITEM? I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S DURING DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, SO ON SITE PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED IF THE A DU IS 800 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ALL OF OUR DESIGNS ARE ON THE, UM, PERMIT READY PLAN LIBRARY ARE 800 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

AS COREY MENTIONED, IT IS, IT'S NOT HUGE WITH, YOU KNOW, SIX INCHES OFF, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S DRAWING SOME CONCERN FROM THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND SET IT.

ALRIGHT.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION.

SO MAY I, UM, WE'RE GOING TO GRADE TAKE A A VOTE ON THIS.

UM, DO YOU HAVE AN OPTION HERE, UM, FOR DESIGN REVIEW TO HELP? I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU CLEARLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEES, I MEAN, HAVE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT'S DESIGNED.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS HOW IS LAID OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE INTRICATE DETAILS ABOUT DOOR BEING OFF CENTER AND THINGS TO NATURE.

UM,

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SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, DESIGN REVIEW, UM, FOR THAT.

SO BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT THOUGH, CORY, IS THAT, IS THAT EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO GO WITH OR GO TO? BECAUSE SINCE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY, UH, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? I MEAN, NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE REQUEST TODAY.

SO THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

MM-HMM.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE ANYWAYS.

AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO MEET WITH THE DRC PRIOR TO THAT.

GOTCHA.

SO ANYTHING, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT MA'AM? I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I THINK CORY'S COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT, UM, US JUST HAVING A CONTRACT AND, UH, SINCE THIS WAS PART OF A SOLICITATION, THERE ARE CONTRACTS THAT ARE, HAVE AN AWARD AMOUNT THAT WERE ALREADY PAID TO THE SELECTED ORGANIZATIONS OR DESIGNERS.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS, MEANING THAT THERE WAS A SET AMOUNT ALREADY ASSESSED PER PER DESIGN.

UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK TO OUR CASAS ABOUT, BUT I THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST AVENUE TO GO FORWARD WITH, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY SMALL MODIFICATIONS, UM, THAT YOU ALL SEE ARE NECESSARY OR, YOU KNOW, UH, ESSENTIAL FOR THIS DESIGN TO MOVE FORWARD.

I, I DO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THIS ALREADY, BUT THAT, UH, FOR THIS DESIGN, WE, AND FOR ALL OF OUR, OUR LIBRARY, WE WANNA HAVE A KIND OF WIDE RANGE OF PRICING, UM, FOR, UH, ADUS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS WAS ON THE MORE MODERATE TO LOWER END OF THAT, THAT COST.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF KEEP AVAILABLE, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD.

AND YOU DID SAY SINCE IT IS 800 FEET OR SQUARE FEET, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE, SO IN GENERAL, THE A DU DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, IF THERE IS AN A DU THAT IS 800 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN ONSITE PARKING SPACE, RIGHT? SO IF IT IS LARGER THAN THAT, THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, AND A DEDICATED ONSITE PARKING, UM, SPACE FOR, FOR THE A DU UM, MAXIMUM.

OUR, OUR ADUS ARE ALLOWED TO BE 1600 FOR THE CITY ARE ALLOWED TO BE 1600 SQUARE FEET, A MAXIMUM OR HALF THE SIZE OF THE HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

SO IT WOULD COME WITH A, IT WOULD NEED ITS OWN PARKING.

THIS, THIS IS A SMALL A DU, THIS IS NOT ANY CLOSE, ANYWHERE CLOSE TO AN 800 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S IN THE 300 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.

SO IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY KIND OF PARKING? NO.

AND THAT IS BY DESIGN? MM-HMM, , RIGHT.

YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS ONLY 3 75.

SO, SO THAT'S WHY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE UM, DISCUSSION.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.

THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM FOR THE AGENDA.

UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.