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STANLEY, UH, SINCE SOME OF US WEREN'T ON ALL THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, ARE WE GONNA APPROVE THESE MINUTES? LUMP SUM? YES.
THAT'S, I'M GONNA ASK JOE IF THAT'S THE CORRECT WAY TO DO THAT, JOSEPH? YES, YOU CAN.
IN THAT CASE, CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, PRIOR TO MOVING TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT? IF SO, WHEN STAFF CALLS YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE COMMENTING.
UH, NO PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, SIR.
[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL ST.PLEASE PRESENT THE FIRST ITEM.
THE FIRST ITEM TODAY IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN OPEN SHOP POSITION, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HELD BY GARY KUNZ AS THE PRIMARY AND EDUARDO DEL TORO AS THE SECONDARY.
UH, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT POSITION.
UH, THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL ACTION.
THIS IS AN ACTION THAT THE BOARD CAN
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TAKE, UH, TO MOVE SOMEBODY FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY.UH, SO THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO, RON KAMIS, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHANGE AS PRESENTED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE WHAT'S UP ON THE BOARD FOR ITEM NUMBER, UH, FOR THE CHANGEOVER.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK CHAIR, EDWARD, I'M NOT SURE IF CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCES ARE YOUR ORDER
WELL, THE, THE BIG LIFT IS OVER, SO HE'S GOT A A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO, TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHEN, WHEN THE 2020 SEVENS ROLLED AROUND
SO THE, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM, ITEM THREE.
SO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, THIS IS ONE AGENDA ITEM TO LOOK, REVIEW ALL OF THE PROPOSED CODE ADOPTIONS ACROSS, UH, CHAPTER 10 AND CHAPTER 11, UH, 11 BEING THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.
UH, EVERYTHING, UH, ON THE NORMAL CODES THAT WE ADOPT, THE I CODES, UH, MINUS THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, UH, AND AS WELL AS THE 2023 NEC.
UH, SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE UNDER ONE AGENDA ITEM.
I'LL BE TURNING IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, TO REVIEW ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD.
UH, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE TABLED, SO WE'LL GO OVER THOSE, UH, THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK.
AND I'LL LET CRYSTAL KIND OF DEFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT, UH, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER, I, I KINDA WANNA FOLLOW UP JACK'S, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT Y'ALL'S TIME AND COMMITMENT FOR THIS.
UH, WE, WE WERE HERE 10 WEEKS AGO, UH, ON, NO, SEPTEMBER 6TH, EIGHTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD TAKE 10 WEEKS.
UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS EIGHT WEEKS AGO.
UH, 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD TAKE 10 WEEKS.
AND HERE WE ARE, UH, WITH 16 MINUTES MEETINGS DONE.
UH, SO THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH, UH, FOR ALL THE COMMITMENT AND TIME AND EFFORT.
UH, IT WAS, IT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
AND IT GOES A LONG WAY TO MAKE THIS PROCESS, UH, TRANSPARENT, OPEN AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, BUT ALSO VERY SUCCESSFUL AS WE GO INTO THE CITY COUNCIL THING.
SO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ.
UH, IN LADIES, I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT I ALSO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORT.
I KNOW IT WAS REALLY CONDENSED AND CRAMMED AND, UM, A LOT OF YOU GUYS WERE HERE TWICE A WEEK.
SO REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ALL YOUR EFFORT THUS FAR.
AND WE ARE AT THE FINISH LINE, SO JUST A LITTLE MORE PUSH, UM, TO GET THERE.
SO, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
SO WE REVIEWED NINE BUILDING RELATED CODES, UH, FOR THE 2024 AND THE 2023 NEC.
UM, THOSE CODES ARE UTILIZED FOR NEW AND EXISTING CONSTRUCTION, UPDATED EVERY THREE YEARS.
Y'ALL KNOW THIS, UM, ONCE PRINTED, THE ICC CODES ARE STATIC, BUT THERE'S CONSTANTLY NEW TECHNOLOGIES CHANGING.
SO WE LIKE TO ADOPT THE LATEST AND GREATEST, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THE CURRENT NATIONAL SAFETY STANDARDS.
ALLOW FOR THE LATEST CONSTRUCTION METHODS, AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE NEW OPTIONS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODES.
SO THIS BOARD FALLS UNDER OUR SECTION 10 DASH 14 OF OUR CHAPTER 10 CITY CODE.
UH, THIS BOARD IS ESTABLISHED TO HEAR APPEALS AND TO ASSIST THE BUILDING AND FIRE OFFICIAL ON DETERMINING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MODEL CODES.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE SEPTEMBER.
YOU GUYS ARE A PART OF MOST OF THESE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UH, EVEN IF WE DON'T, DIDN'T HAVE REPRESENTATION ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES OR, OR EVEN IN THE BOARD POSITIONS, WE WORK WITH THESE GROUPS.
WE, UH, MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY OR EVERY OTHER MONTH TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WERE STARTING THIS PROCESS.
UH, WE MEET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS QUARTERLY, UH, CPS IS, IS ALMOST ALWAYS AT THE TABLE, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES.
SAS HAS BROUGHT SOME AMENDMENTS TO US PREVIOUSLY.
SO THESE ARE, THIS IS, UH, EVERYBODY THAT WE WORK WITH TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THAT'S, UM, A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE SMALL SCREENS, BUT I'LL, UM, GO OVER IT IN DETAIL.
SO, THESE NEXT FEW AMENDMENTS, UM, SOME OF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THESE.
UH, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A PRINTOUT.
DID EVERYBODY GET A, A PRINTOUT THERE? SO,
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UH, YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG.WE, WE DON'T ADOPT CHAPTER ONE OF THE I CODES AND THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS ARE REALLY OUR SPECIFIC ADMINISTRATIVE CHAPTER TO KIND OF TAKE THE PLACE OF THAT.
UM, ITEM ONE FALLS UNDER SECTION 10 DASH EIGHT FOR SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS.
AND THIS SECTION SPECIFIES WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS NEED TO BE SIGNED AND SEALED BY DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, WHAT AND WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE SUBMITTED ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
THIS PROPOSAL ADDS A LIST OF ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO VERIFY ENERGY CODE COMPLIANCE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE A BAD WORD.
WE'RE NOT REVIEWING ANYTHING FOR THE ENERGY, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO SUBMIT TO GET THROUGH PLAN REVIEW QUICKLY.
RIGHT? THIS WILL ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT BACK AND FORTH.
UM, AND JUST A LIST OF ITEMS THAT, THAT'S NEEDED.
IT'S PRETTY LENGTHY LIST THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THERE.
UM, IT'S NOT ALL APPLICABLE FOR EVERY PROJECT, OF COURSE.
JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE OF WORK.
UH, BUT THAT'LL JUST HELP STREAMLINE THE PROCESS FOR, FOR OUR DESIGN TEAMS AND CUSTOMERS.
CRYSTAL, ROBERT HANLEY, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING THE LATEST VERSION OF THE ENERGY CODE, BUT THESE SUBMITTALS ARE PART OF THE EXISTING ENERGY CODE THE CITY HAS ADOPTED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, THESE, THIS LIST WAS TAKEN FROM THE EXISTING SECTIONS OF THE 2021 ENERGY CODE.
AND AGAIN, JUST AS A, A GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO SUBMIT, UM, IT'S NOT, NOT REQUIRED FOR EVERY, EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.
THE SECOND GO AHEAD ON THIS ONE, IS THIS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY? UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW SYSTEMS? SOME OF THESE ENERGY EFFICIENT, UH, LIKE, UH, NEW EQUIPMENT OR, UM, MECHANICAL SYSTEM DESIGN IF YOU'RE DOING A, A NEW, UM, MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
BUT IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE WHEN YOU HAVE A PERMIT FOR REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH THAT.
ARE THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY ASKING FOR, OR ARE THERE NEW REQUIREMENTS? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY ASKING FOR.
AGAIN, THIS LIST IS FROM THE 2021.
SO WE'RE JUST MOVING IT OVER HERE TO KIND OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE AREA, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR DESIGNERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL BE ASKED FOR AT PLAN REVIEW.
ITEM NUMBER TWO FALLS UNDER THE INSPECTIONS AND TESTING SECTION, UH, WHICH ALREADY INCLUDES REQUIREMENTS FOR INJURY EFFICIENCY INSPECTIONS.
SO YOU'LL SEE SOME UNDERLINED TEXT THERE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD FOR NUMBER TWO ON YOUR, UM, KIND OF ADDITIONAL HANDOUT.
SO THE ENERGY INSPECTIONS ARE CLEARED BY FORMS, UH, THAT WE HA WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE.
THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS OR THE INSTALLING CONTRACTOR SUBMITS THE VALUES OF, LET'S SAY, INSULATION OR FENESTRATION.
AND WE COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WAS PRO WHAT WAS PROPOSED ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN SUBMITTAL.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THE REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT THE TESTING REPORTS AND EQUIPMENT CONTROLS, UM, PRIOR TO THE CFO ISSU ISSUANCE AND TO SUBMIT THE PRELIMINARY REPORT OF COMMISSIONING.
SO THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE INCLUDED ON THE FORMS, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE, UM, OFTEN OVERLOOKED.
SO JUST ADDING THEM HERE TO, TO THE, UH, INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, IS JUST AN EFFORT TO, UH, MAKE, MAKE OUR, UH, CUSTOMERS AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
ITEM THREE IS FOR THE, GO BACK TO THIS WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUANCE.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES THAT ARE ISSUED BECAUSE THE USE OF A STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING CHANGES, BUT THE, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING OUT ANY EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEN THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY INSPECTIONS WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED FOR JUST A, A NEW CFO.
YEAH, THIS IS JUST FOR, UH, NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT REQUIRES THESE ENERGY EFFICIENCY INSPECTIONS.
WE JUST ASK FOR THESE TEST REPORTS PRIOR TO, UH, FINALIZING THE PROJECT ON OUR SIDE.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR FRAMING INSPECTIONS.
SO THE FRAMING BEAM AND SOFTEN INSPECTIONS AND THE FRAME TIE DOWN AND WIND BRACING INSPECTIONS, UH, HAPPEN INTER INCREMENTALLY, UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION AND TYPICALLY CALLED IN PRIOR TO THE MEP INSTALLATION.
SO WE BROKE OUT THESE INSPECTIONS, UH, BROKE OUT THE FRAME INSPECTION TO IDENTIFY EACH ONE SPECIFICALLY.
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THIS SECTION OF CHAPTER 10 REALLY JUST LETS YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF INSPECTIONS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, UH, AND, AND A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR AT THAT TIME.THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, UH, FOR A FRAME INSPECTION IS INCLUDED THERE IN ITEM NUMBER C.
OKAY, WE ARE IN DEFINITIONS STILL.
SO THIS UPDATE IS FOR THE DEFINITION OF HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR.
AGAIN, THE UNDERLYING TEXT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, WE ARE, WE INCLUDED A POINTER TO SECTION 10 DASH ONE 15.
SO THIS IS FOR THE CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE ADDITIONAL UNDERLYING TEXT SPECIFIES THAT THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS CAN WORK ON REMODELS THAT INCLUDE, UM, ADDITIONAL ELIMINATION OF A DOOR, WINDOW, OR WALL, AS LONG AS THAT WORK DOES NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE BUILDING AREA.
SO IF YOU GO ON THE NEXT PAGE, IT SAYS THE HOME IMPROVEMENT SHALL NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
SO NUMBER ONE IS, HEY, A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR CAN'T BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
UM, THEY CAN'T BUILD AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, BASICALLY ANY OF THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, NUMBER TWO SAYS THE HOME IMPROVEMENT DOES NOT, IN, DOES NOT INCLUDE RENOVATIONS THAT EXCEED THAT 50%.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, THAT, THAT'S OLD LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST CARRIED OVER FROM, FROM WHEN WE HAD A SELLER'S REGISTRATION.
APPARENTLY, UH, I'VE READ IT LIKE EIGHT OR NINE TIMES AND IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO LOOKING INTO IT, IT WAS JUST OLD LANGUAGE CARRIED OVER.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THAT OUT.
CAN WE LOOK AT 10 DASH ONE 15 PLEASE? YES.
BRING UP THE, THE WORD DOCUMENT.
MIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR 10 DASH ONE 15? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES.
WHILE HE'S LOOKING THAT UP ON, ON NUMBER TWO, WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT A PERCENTAGE OF THE HOUSE BEING REMODELED OR RENOVATED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S A MINOR REMODEL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE DOING DOORS AND WINDOWS AND ALL OVER 100% OF THE HOUSE DOORS AND WINDOWS ALONE, UM, ARE ACCEPTABLE FOR A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR? THIS IS LIKE, YOU CAN'T COME AND GUT THE HOUSE, LEAVE THE FOUR WALLS STANDING, UH, AS A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR.
SO, SO BRIAN SMITH, UM, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, UH, MARK THAT IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING THERE BECAUSE IT, IT, NOW THAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT'S A RENOVATION? WHAT IF YOU'RE PAINTING THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND YOU'RE PAINTING THE WHOLE HOUSE? SO PAINT, PAINT, PAINT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT, BUT WHERE DOES IT STATE THAT? UM, PROBABLY IN, UH, SO IF YOU PAINT WORK EXEMPT FROM YEAH.
JUST, I, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, CARRY THAT INTO THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE AND THAT WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT IS A TRUE RENOVATION ALTERATION INSTEAD OF MINOR.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENOVATION AND MAINTENANCE? I MEAN, A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS ARE MAINTENANCE WHEN ALL THE WINDOWS HAVE FOGGED UP AND THEY'RE ALL NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, THAT'S MORE MAINTENANCE AND THAT COULD BE MORE THAN 50% OF THE AREAS IN THE HOUSE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DEFINITION.
SO WE HAVE A, A SECTION WORK EXEMPT FROM PERMITTING,
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UH, PAINTING, PAPERING, TILING, CARPETING, CABINETS, COUNTERTOPS, AND SIMILAR FINISH WORK IS EXEMPT FROM PERMITTING.SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HOLD ANY KIND OF HOME BUILDER OR HOME IMPROVEMENT REGISTRATION TO DO THAT WORK.
SO WHAT IF YOU'RE DOING, WOULD THAT INCLUDE ALL THE WINDOWS IN A HOUSE? THAT ALL WINDOWS IN A HOUSE WOULD BE THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR? WE DO REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT.
IT WOULD BE MORE THAN 50% PERCENT.
YOU'RE EXEMPT NOT OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS STOP THE FULL REGU OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DEFINE THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE, SO IF YOU TAKE THE AREA OF ALL OF THE WINDOWS, THEN, I MEAN, IF WE WANNA GET REAL TECHNICAL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD EXCEED 50% OF THE, UH, BUILDING FLOOR AREA.
I I SAY I, I ALMOST SAID, I DON'T WANNA COMPLICATE IT, BUT I PROBABLY DO.
UM,
WHY IS THAT EXPERTISE NEEDED TO, IF I'M PULLING PERMITS TO RERUN THE ELECTRICAL AND HVAC AND PLUMBING, BUT I'M NOT CHANGING THE WALLS, AND THEN THAT, THAT CONTRACTOR IS JUST GONNA COME BACK UP AND, AND REHANG ALL THE DRYWALL AND DO ALL THE FIT AND FINISH.
SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, EVERYTHING THAT'S STRUCTURAL, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S STRUCTURAL.
AND IF WE KINDA SAY YOU CAN'T DO STRUCTURAL, BUT YOU CAN DO ALL THAT, THEN IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD AND CHALLENGING TO POLICE AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE WANTED IT TO OPEN IT UP AND BE LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD A WINDOW OR YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S A STRUCTURAL WALL.
A LOT OF WINDOWS ALONG ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF, OR A LOT OF THE WALLS ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF A BUILDING ARE SOME FORM OF LOAD AND STRUCTURAL.
UM, AND NOT JUST A PONY WALL OR SOMETHING.
SO WE, I'M TRYING TO PUSH IT TO WHERE LIKE, THEY CAN DO THIS FRAMING, THEY CAN DO SOME STRUCTURAL WORK.
UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO POLICE IS THE FULL GUTS.
SO IF, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE LYING.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST PULL A NUMBER OUT FROM ANYWHERE.
SO WE KIND OF, OKAY, WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT'S IN THE CODES? EXISTING BUILDING CODES KIND OF SAYS, LOOK, ONCE YOU KINDA HIT 50%, YOU'RE GOING INTO A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CHANGES TO A HOME.
UM, AND THE IMPACTS ON THAT, UH, ARE ARE DIFFERENT.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR USING THAT NUMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS AND, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING, BUT MY GOAL WAS TO, 'CAUSE CURRENTLY THE WAY WE HAVE IT, AND AT LEAST ON THE WAY THAT WE'RE ISSUING PERMITS, IS REALLY UNDER THIS NEW, NEW WAY OF DOING IT.
IF YOU HAD A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION AND YOU TALKED ABOUT ANY FRAMING AT ALL, WE WERE NOT ISSUING THOSE PERMITS.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN THAT BACK UP.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE FROM THE HOME BUILDERS TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT HAVE A LOT OF THAT EXPERTISE.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT ANYMORE.
AND WE WANT TO LET THEM CONTINUE DOING THAT TYPE OF WORK.
UH, SO THAT 50% IS A GUIDELINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO IS MORE THERE WHEN WE RUN INTO THIS AS AN ISSUE OUT IN THE FIELD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF COME BACK AND CORRECT IT.
SO, AND I MEAN THAT MAKES SENSE AND IT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH TO LOOK AT THE IABC AND SEE, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THIS, IF I'M TEARING IT DOWN TO THE STUDS, BUT I'M NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT.
BUT NOW I HAVE TO HAVE A HOME BUILDING RE UM, REGISTERED CONTRACTOR.
IT'S NOT JUST GETTING THE CONTRACTOR.
IT'S BECAUSE THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME WHERE NOW I HAVE TO PRESENT ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN THE, THE DRYWALL DOWN AND I'VE GOTTA FIND AN ARCHITECT.
AND THIS HAS HAPPENED WHERE I'VE GOTTA FIND AN ARCHITECT THAT'S GONNA PUT A STAMP ON SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE 60 YEARS AGO, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, RE REEVALUATE THE STRUCTURE.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STRUCTURE OR, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING WITH THE STRUCTURE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE GET THROUGH WITH, YOU KNOW, EACH AT A TIME.
BRIAN SMITH, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO GET IS WHEN TO GET 50%, WE'RE GONNA START GETTING INTO KITCHENS, BATHROOMS, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS AS FAR AS MASTER ELECTRICIANS, MASTER PLUMBERS, PROBABLY GET INTO SOME HVAC OTHER THAN JUST MINOR COSMETICS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE JEREMY'S KIND OF GOING WITH THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OTHER MAJOR TRADES THAT ARE GONNA BE INCLUDED.
MY BIGGEST THING WAS JUST MAKING SURE FROM A DEFINITION STANDPOINT, THAT Y'ALL DON'T HAVE CONFUSION WHEN THEY COME DOWN HERE.
IS IT DEFINED? DO WE NEED TO ADD A DEFINITION TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE'RE AT FROM HERE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU NEED, YOU NEED THE BETTER LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS? I WANNA MAKE SURE, SO THIS DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR.
SO IF YOU WENT IN THERE AND DID A FULL GUT, BUT YOU DIDN'T MOVE ANY STRUCTURAL FRAMING, THAT'S STILL A REMODEL PERMIT THAT'S OVER THE COUNTER DOESN'T REQUIRE DRAWINGS.
IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU WOULD COME IN AND START DOING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND YOU GET CLOSER TO A, CLOSER TO A NEW BUILD.
UM, SO THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD REQUIRE A SET OF DRAWINGS AND BRING IN AN ARCHITECT OR WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE FOR THAT PERMITTING SIDE OF IT.
BUT ALL OF THOSE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WOULD STILL FALL UNDER JUST A SIMPLE, OVER THE COUNTER REMODEL PERMIT.
UH, IS JUST MORE THE, ONCE YOU KIND OF START GOING INTO THE DEFINITION OF WHAT WORK YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND THAT SCOPE OUR COUNTER IS GONNA SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE KIND OF EXCEEDING THIS.
WE'RE SEEING THE SCOPE, YOU'RE EXCEEDING THAT AREA.
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YOU GOTTA HAVE THIS TYPE OF REGISTRATION VERSUS THIS TYPE OF REGISTRA, UH, YOU KNOW, HOME BUILDER VERSUS HOME IMPROVEMENT.BUT THE PERMIT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
AND, AND READING 10 DASH ONE 15, IF I OWN THE HOME, I CAN PULL THE BUILDING PERMIT AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED BUILDING CONTRACTOR AND I CORRECT.
ENGAGED SUBCONTRACTORS TO GET WORK DONE.
IS THAT YOUR PRIMARY HOME OR AS A CORPORATION COULD PULL OUT THE PERMIT ALSO? YEAH, THAT'S YOUR HOMESTEAD.
WE HOMESTEAD NOT WHAT THAT SAYS.
IT SAYS WHO OWN IT DOES SAY PERSON.
IT DOES SAY, YEAH, IT DOES SAY PERSON WHO WILL OWN.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU OWN A RENTAL HOME, I MEAN THAT YOU'RE STILL THE OWNER.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RENT OUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A, A SECOND HOUSE THAT YOU RENT OUT, UH, AS THE PERSON, UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO LIKE A CORPORATION KIND OF ITEM.
BUT IF YOU OWN THAT HOME, THEN YOU CAN PULL THE PERMIT TO MAKE RENOVATIONS ON THAT HOME.
SO THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE HOME WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL, EVEN IF IT'S AN LLC.
BUT PER LEGALLY, I, I'M A PERSON AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S REGISTERED WITH THE CITY UNDER MY NAME, ON MY EMAIL ADDRESS.
THAT'S, AND I REGISTERED AND I'M A PART OWNER OF THE LLC.
SO I OWN THE HOME, NOT NECESSARILY HOME.
WELL NOW IT IT, WELL NOW IT, IT SHOULD BE, SO THIS, WE'RE NOT ALL, ALL WE'RE SAYING IS YOU, UM, IF YOU OWN IT, THIS, THIS IS NOT CHANGING.
SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ALLOWANCE FOR A HOMEOWNER TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THEIR HOME.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, WE'RE WE'RE ADDING HOME, HOME.
THIS IS THE SECTION THAT WAS POINTED TO YES.
FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS.
AND SO IF WE'RE RATCHETING UP THE STANDARDS FOR THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR, I JUST, I I THINK IT, WE ARE KIND OF OPENING THIS AND, BUT I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF BECAUSE AS, UH, AS A, I CAN PULL AS A PERSON, UH, A PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UM, THAT I OWN, UM, BUT I CAN'T FOR A RESIDENTIAL, AND I, IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS, IT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.
IF I OWN IT AND IT'S TITLED UNDER AN LLC, I CAN STILL PULL THE PERMIT.
I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED ON THE RECORD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
CAN WE GET DIFFERENT LANGUAGE FOR NUMBER TWO THAT ADDRESSES, OH, CAN WE, CAN WE SOLVE NUMBER ONE FIRST?
NO, I, I JUST, SO THE QUESTION IS LLC VERSUS, OR ANY FORM OF CORPORATION OR ENTITY THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, OR A SPECIFIC NAME.
AND WE LOOK AT THE, THE HOMEOWNER AND WE LOOK AT THE WHATEVER DOCUMENTS OUT THERE THAT SAYING, THIS INDIVIDUAL OWNS THE DEED TO THIS HOUSE, AND THAT'S THE NAME HERE.
AND WE CHECK TO SEE THAT THAT SAME NAME IS ON THE APPLICATION.
UH, IF IT'S AN LLC, UH, AS, AS AN OPTION, AND LLC OWNS THAT HOME AND THE LLC IS PULLING THE PERMIT, OR THAT PERSON THAT'S PULLING THE PERMIT IS LISTED ON THE LLC, I GUESS WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND VERIFY WHAT, WHAT OUR NORMAL APPROACH IS TO THAT? OR DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, I WAS JUST CON CONFERRING WITH STAFF THAT, UH, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY PERMIT THAT.
AND I, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO, BECAUSE AS A SOPHISTICATED OPERATOR, RIGHT, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERMITS NOT BEING PULLED, IT'S JUST WHO PULLS IT.
RIGHT? AND SO I DON'T NEED PROTECTION FROM THE CITY IN TERMS OF WHO I'M GONNA PICK TO DO THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE INSPECTED ANYWAY.
RIGHT? IS THIS, IS IT CURRENT? ARE ARE WE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM? I MEAN, THIS HASN'T EVER BEEN A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE HAD A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM WHEN WE ADDED THE TESTING LAST CYCLE, FRANKLY.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YOU I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANYTHING FOR THE CITY EXCEPT BOXING PEOPLE OUT FROM BEING ABLE TO, TO PULL PERMITS.
AND CRYSTAL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAD A FIRE DAMAGE IN ONE OF OUR HOUSES AND WE PULLED THE PERMIT IN THE COMPANY NAME.
AND SO THEY ISSUED THE PERMIT TO DO THE REPAIRS.
SO I THINK THERE'S, HOW IT'S ENFORCED MAY BE DIFFERENT.
AND SO I KNOW WE PULLED IT IN OUR COMPANY NAME AND THEN PULLED THE PERMIT AND THEN SUBCONTRACTED OUT AND ELECTRICAL GOT A SEPARATE PERMIT IN THE HVAC AND, BUT WE DID ALL THE WORK UNDER OUR COMPANY NAME.
SO I JUST THINK IF YOU OWN THIS IS TO
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PROTECT A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER FROM UNSCRUPULOUS CONTRACTORS.BUT IF YOU'RE A, IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING ANYBODY FROM ANYTHING.
EVERYBODY THAT REQUIRES A LICENSE HAS TO BE LICENSED.
BUT IF I WANT TO GO IN AND HAVE MY OWN PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY US, DO THE WORK, I WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO REGISTER TO DO WORK IN OUR OWN HOUSE? OKAY.
I'LL GET WITH OUR, OUR PERMITTING TEAM TO JUST TO VERIFY WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING.
I WAS GONNA SAY IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE I HAVE PULLED ALL THE, WELL ALL THE PERMITS AS A HOMEOWNER, THE, IT WAS ALWAYS YOU HAD TO OCCUPY.
SO I SEE WE HAVE OCCUPY BEING STRUCK, UM, JUST FOR A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
LIKE IN NEBRASKA WHERE I PULLED A PERMIT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, WHERE I PULLED A PERMIT TO PULL A SOLAR, SOLAR PANEL SYSTEM ON IT.
IT WAS IN THOSE JURISDICTIONS, LINCOLN, NEBRASKA AS WELL.
YOU HAD TO BE THE OWNER AND OCCUPY.
SO JUST AS A SEPARATE, PER PERFECT, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT GOES ON IN OTHER STATES, OTHER CITIES, THAT'S HOW THEY RAN THAT.
WHEN I PULLED PREVENTS AS A HOMEOWNER, 'CAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE ONES I WANNA BRING UP AT SOME POINT IS THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED WHERE A HOMEOWNER COULD NOT PULL ALL THE PERMITS THAT WERE REQUIRED AND DO THE WORK THEMSELVES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ADJUSTED SO THAT A HOMEOWNER CAN DO IT ALL.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S HAPPENING TODAY AND IT'S JUST NOT BEING, IT'S NOT BEING SCRUTINIZED AT ALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO ALLOW, THIS IS LIKE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT WE NEED TO ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER TO PULL THE TRADE PERMIT TOO.
UH, REAL QUICK ON WHAT WE'RE STRIKING HERE, THE OCCUPANT AND RENT, THAT'S NOT WHO OWNS IT.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLARIFY THAT YOU CAN'T JUST RENT A HOME AND NOT BE THE OWNER AND BE ABLE TO PULL THE PERMIT AND SAY, I LIVE HERE.
I OCCUPY HERE, OR I RENT HERE.
SO THAT KINDA GOES BACK TO RENT.
HE HAD TO OWN IT AND OCCUPY IT.
SO THAT WAS THE PIECE WHERE LIKE I OWN A SECOND HOME AND RENT IT OUT.
I AS THAT HOMEOWNER COULD NOT PULL A PERMIT ON THAT HOME BECAUSE IT'S RENTED OUT TO OTHERS.
SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW YOU COULD AS A HOME, AS A, FOR A REMODEL PERMIT OR A HOME BUILDING PERMIT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OCCUPY.
NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE, WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHETHER IT'S AN LLC RIGHT NOW ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN INDIVIDUAL TO INDIVIDUAL.
INDIVIDUAL OWNS THE PROPERTY AND INDIVIDUALS ONE PULLING THAT PERMIT AND THE NAME TO MATCH ON PROBABLY BEAR BEARCAT OR SOME OTHER FORM, UH, LEGAL DOCUMENT OUT THERE THAT WE CAN VERIFY AGAINST.
THE QUESTION THAT MIKE'S RAISING IS WHAT ABOUT LLCS THAT OWN MULTIPLE HOMES? CAN THAT LLC OR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S REPRESENTING THAT LLC BE ABLE TO PULL A PERMIT? AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, RIGHT.
DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND FIND OUT ABOUT.
UH, SO AT LEAST WE JUST WANNA CLARIFY THIS OCCUPY AND RENT.
THE REASON WE'RE PULLING THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY THAT CAN READ THAT I RENT A HOME AND, AND I CAN SEE THAT AND SAY, OH YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN PULL A PERMIT FOR THIS HOME.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T OWN IT, BUT I CAN COME AND MODIFY IT ALL I WANT 'CAUSE I RENT IT.
WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO THIS.
UM, AND FOR, AND I JUST WANNA SAY REAL QUICK, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY BACKWARDS.
YOU KNOW, THE SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE THAT ARE LLCS AND AND INCORPORATED PROBABLY
RIGHT? ANYWAY, UM, CAN WE SCROLL DOWN HERE? 'CAUSE I ALSO WANNA SEE WHAT ELSE THE, WE'RE WE'RE DOING TO THE REGISTERED HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS.
AND MAYBE I CAN JUST CUT TO THE CHASE.
ARE WE GONNA ASK THEM TO PASS THE SAME TEST THAT THE HOME BUILDER? NO.
ONCE AGAIN, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED DURING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS OPEN UP MORE OF WHAT PERMITS THEY COULD PULL.
SINCE WE'RE SEEING THE TRANSITION WAS BASED ON THE CHANGES WE MADE IN 20, UH, FOR THE 2021 OPTION IS RE IS MOVED A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM HOME BUILDERS BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOME BUILDER AND A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR WAS THE BOND YOU NEEDED MORE FOR THE BOND.
BUT BESIDES THAT, YOU COULD JUST GET ONE.
SO EVERYBODY WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE FEE WAS MAYBE LIKE $10 MORE.
SO LIKE EVERYBODY WAS JUST GOING OUT AND GETTING A HOME BUILDER CON UH, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION AND NOBODY WAS GETTING THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR.
BUT WITH THIS NEW REQUIREMENT, WE SEE A LOT OF THEM MOVE TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR.
AND OUR GOAL WAS, LOOK, AS YOU'VE KIND OF BROUGHT UP, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY THEIR LIVELIHOOD IF A LOT OF THEM WERE DOING MOSTLY JUST HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR WORK AS IT WAS.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE JUST GETTING THE, THE CORRECT REGISTRATION NOW.
BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WE'RE NOT LIMITING WHAT TYPE OF PERMITS THEY WERE PULLING THREE YEARS AGO AND HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH.
AND THAT WAS KINDA WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THAT.
DEFINITELY THEY CAN DO SOME FRAMING.
THEY CAN PUT IN WINDOWS, THEY CAN CLOSE UP A GARAGE AND, AND MAKE THAT OCCUPIABLE.
JUST NOT ADDITIONS, NOT ACCESSORY DWELLINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY NEW BUILDS.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 50% CAME FROM, UH, WITH THE INTENT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU SUBMIT.
AND THEN IT'S ALL THROUGH THE INSPECTION SIDE.
'CAUSE THERE IS NO PLAN I REVIEW, UH, FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTING.
I I'M GONNA ADD ONE OTHER QUE POINT OF DISCUSSION.
WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO THE CITY, GREG MCFARLAND IS, YOU SAID YOU OWN HALF, I'M
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GONNA ASSUME 50%.IF SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS 50%, HAVING SET UP A COUPLE OF MY OWN LLCS TO RUN BUSINESSES, RANCHES, ET CETERA, WHAT DO YOU DO IF IT'S 50%? BECAUSE YOU MAY WANT TO DO THIS STUFF, THE OTHER HALF OWNER MAY NOT.
SO AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, I WOULD SAY MAYBE FROM AN LLC PERSPECTIVE, YOU NEED TO HAVE A MAJORITY SHARE OF THE LLC.
'CAUSE THAT COULD GET INTERESTING.
NO, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO DOCTOR THE YOU NEED TO BE THE MANAGER OF THE YEAH, BUT, BUT AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS PERFECTLY FINE.
MEAN WE'RE NOT GONNA MANAGE THE INNER WORKINGS OF AN LLC DOCUMENT AND BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO GET RID OF THE WORD NOR AT THE END OF NUMBER OH NO, BACK TO THE CORRECT.
YEAH, SINCE WE STRUCK THREE, CORRECT.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ADD IN RENOVATIONS OR ALTERATIONS INVOLVING STRUCTURAL CHANGES IN 50% OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
SO THAT IT'S THIS, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I NO HOME BUILDER IS GOING TO COME IN AND WANT TO MESS WITH IF YOU'RE MESSING WITH, WITH, WITH A RENOVATION.
I, I MEAN, THEY JUST DON'T DO THAT KIND OF WORK.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY FORCING EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE REMODELING BUSINESS, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU, YOU MAKE THE 50% IF YOU'RE DOING WORK IN EVERY ROOM OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THINGS, YOU KNOW, A PLUG IN 50% OF THE HOUSE OR HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING STRUCTURAL CHANGES, ADDITIONS, ADDING A ROOM TO THE HOUSE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF WE WANT TO GO RIP OUT ALL THE SHEET ROCK IN THE HOUSE AND REPLACE IT WITH NEW SHEET ROCK, BECAUSE IT, IT MAY BE OLD OR MOLDY OR IT HAS ASBESTOS IN IT AND THEY ABATE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE TO, YOU KNOW, A, A HOME HOME BUILDER LICENSE TO DO THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST, IF YOU'RE JUST REMOVING SHEET ROCK, WE WOULD NOT SAY THAT, THAT EVEN, EVEN EVERY, EVERY WALL, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THE FRAMING.
UM, THE SHEET ROCK WOULD NOT EXCEED THE 50% OF THE TOTAL BUILDING AREA.
THAT'S A CHANGE TO DEFINITION OF ONSITE AS IT RELATES TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTRICAL LICENSE HOLDERS.
SO, UM, IT REFERENCES BACK TO THE ELECTRICAL LICENSE REQUIREMENTS AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER IN 10 DASH ONE 13.
UH, SO ONE FOR PERMITS FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLING.
SO MORE THAN TWO UNITS, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES OR FACILITIES ONSITE SHALL MEAN AT THE PREMISES OR THE STRUCTURE WHERE THE PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED.
AND FOR PERMITS FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ONSITE SHALL MEAN WITHIN AN UNIMPEDED PATH OF NOT MORE THAN 500 FEET IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION OR WHERE THE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.
SO, UH, THIS CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANNEY.
CRYSTAL, LET ME ASK YOU A CLARIFICATION QUESTION AND I'LL, I'LL PLEAD A SENIOR MOMENT ON THIS.
I THOUGHT THAT YOU USED THE IRC ON A FOURPLEX OR LESS AND ANYTHING OVER? NO, NO, NO.
UH, THE IRC IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
IN TOWN TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE SEPARATED.
SO WE THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY.
SO YOU HAVE A THREEPLEX, LIKE TWO ON BOTTOM, ONE ON TOP OR FOUR THAT YOU MAY BE CONFUSING THAT ROBERT, WITH THE UDC, UH, WHAT THEY DEFINE AS AS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THANK YOU MARK FOR THIS VERBIAGE.
YOU HAVE OH, DID, DID THAT HELP? LETTING YOU KNOW THAT MARK SENT IT
I'LL EXPLAIN BECAUSE WELL, AND BECAUSE I HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE PULL ELECTRICAL PERMITS FOR, FOR EACH PER PROPERTY.
BUT HE WORKS AT ALL THE PROPERTIES.
HE'S THE ONE THAT GOES AROUND AND DOES ALL OF OUR ELECTRICAL WORK.
IT, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE STUCK AT ONE PROPERTY IN BY THE, BY THIS VERBIAGE.
NO, IT, IT, IT BASICALLY DEALS WITH SUPERVISION OF APPRENTICES IS THE ONLY THING THAT IT APPLIES TO.
IT'S A DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE CLOSE.
AND I THINK, UM, LATER ON WE GET BACK TO THE ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND YOU'LL, IT'LL KINDA, UM, FILL THE GAP THERE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM CLARIFIES THAT DIRECT SUPERVISION MEANS ON THE JOB OVERSIGHT FOR PLUMBER'S APPRENTICE.
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SO WE ADDED THAT LAST LINE THERE TO SPECIFY WHAT, UM, DIRECT SUPERVISION IS FOR PLUMBER'S APPRENTICE.SO CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF ON THE JOB OVERSIGHT.
SO IS THAT ON SITE, IS THAT THE SAME THING AS ON SITE? YES.
THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CHANGE THE WORD TO ONSITE AND THEN EXPAND THE DEFINITION OF, UH, ONSITE TO INCLUDE PLUMBERS, APPRENTICES IN THOSE SECTIONS.
BECAUSE ON THE JOB SUPERVISION, I KNOW THE STATE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THE STATE IS GOING TO VIDEO SUPERVISION AND I DIDN'T THINK Y'ALL REALLY WANTED THAT.
AND SO IT, BUT BECAUSE ON THE GIANT OVERSIGHT IS NOT A DEFINED TERM ANYWHERE THAT ANYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THAT MEANS.
I THINK YOU GO TO THE SAME ON SITE IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO.
LET'S USE THE ELECTRICAL DEFINITIONS THE SAME WAY TYPE THING.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I THINK IT'S WORTH IT.
UH, DIRECT SUPERVISION AS ON SITE AS THE STATE BOARD DEFINES IT.
WELL THAT'S, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSS.
SO Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THE STATE.
IT HASN'T PASSED YET, BUT IF IT DOES PASS, YOU'RE OKAY WITH DISCOVERED UNDER VIDEO SUPERVIS.
USE YOUR MIC, MIC, USE YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, REMOTE SUPERVISION.
SO I REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD WHICH WAY IT'S LEANING.
UH, IT SHOULD BE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, LATER THE YEAR.
BUT AGAIN, IF IT DOES COME UP, WE STILL HAVE THIS DIRECT SUPERVISION AS ON SITE, AS THE BOARD DEFINES IT.
IT'S NOT ON SITE, IT'S ON THE JOB, WHICH COULD BE VIDEO.
SO I, I THINK MARK IS TRYING TO SAY WE COULD DUPLICATE THE DEFINITION THAT WE JUST WENT OVER FOR ELECTRICAL LICENSE HOLDERS.
SO FOR COMMERCIAL USES, IT MEANS AT THE PREMISES OR THE STRUCTURE WHERE THE PERMIT'S BEEN ISSUED.
THAT MAKES SENSE FOR ON THE JOB OVERSIGHT ON SITE.
AND THEN FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT IT'S A WITHIN 500 FEET IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION.
SO DEFINED AS ON THE JOB OVERSIGHT.
IS JOB OVERSIGHT DEFINED BY THE STATE BOARD? IS THAT A DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE ON, ON THE STATE BOARD LEVEL? YES.
AGAIN, CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE, UM, WITHIN A BLOCK, WITHIN THREE FLOORS AS LONG AS, UH, THE JOURNEYMAN COULD GET THERE IN A REASONABLE TIME.
SO, SO THOSE, THOSE PARAMETERS ARE SET BY THE STATE BOARD.
SO MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON WRITING IT.
YEAH, SO THAT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, DEFINED AS ON THE JOB OR ON SITE DEFINED AS ONSITE DIRECT SUPERVISION IS DEFINED AS ONSITE, WHICH IS DEFINED WITHIN OUR CHAPTER ONE LAST CODE CYCLE BEFORE OR AFTER WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT, OR THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING IN WITHIN A BLOCK'S RADIUS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT INCLUDED MAYBE 13 UP.
NO PHYSICAL BARRIER, A FENCE, UH, SEPARATING THE TWO WHERE, UH, THAT SUPERVISION COULD BE HELD.
WELL, THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, FOR ELECTRICAL UNIMPEDED, RIGHT? SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE A FENCE, IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO UNIMPEDED PATH, NOT MORE THAN 500 FEET.
SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL DEFINED, UH, FOR OUR CONTRACTORS AND INSPECTORS.
MARK, GET CLOSER TO YOUR, TO YOUR MIC, PLEASE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LEAVING IT LIKE IT IS, BUT ON THE JOB, OVERSIGHT IS NOT A DEFINED TERM, WHICH MEANS THAT BASICALLY IT COULD BE A CELL PHONE WITH A PICTURE.
AND THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH Y'ALL, THAT'S OKAY WITH US.
BUT I, FROM OUR PLUMBING MEETING, THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
AND IF THE STATE IS GETTING READY TO CHANGE THE RULE TO VIDEO AND YOU DON'T WANT VIDEO TO BE OKAY FOR AN APPRENTICE, AND I, I'LL LEAVE IT TO DEFER TO LIKE SOMEONE LIKE GEORGE WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE.
BUT I THINK THERE WAS A FEELING THAT AN APPRENTICE SHOULDN'T BE LEFT
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ON THE JOB SITE ALL ALONE TO WORK ALL BY THEMSELVES.UM, GEORGE, TO LEAVE IT, EXCUSE ME.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ADD AFTER YOUR STATEMENT THAT VIDEO FACETIME, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IS JUST NOT DEFINED AS ON JOB SITE OR ON THE JOB OVERSIGHT.
IF WE JUST DEFINE WHAT IS NOT ACCEPTED, THEN I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OR JUST DEFINE IT AS PHYSICAL OVERSIGHT ONLY.
SO BRIAN SMITH, WE, WE JUST DEFINED ELECTRICAL, ELECTRICAL IS THE SAME AS MASTER ELECTRICIAN, MASTER PLUMBER.
I, I WOULD THINK THE BOARD WOULD, WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE JUST APPROVED OR WENT OVER, DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ELECTRICAL TO DO THE SAME THING AS PLUMBING.
UH, IS THERE GEORGE LEE, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN SEE THAT? I, I DID I MISS IT HERE? WE JUST WENT OVER, OR THE GREG, PROBABLY MY QUESTION WAS IS DOES THAT MEAN FOR OUR HOME BUILDER PEOPLE THAT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER ELECTRICIAN IN EVERY HOUSE WHERE PLUMBING IS BEING DONE? I MEAN, THE WAY 500 FEET? WELL, NO, NO.
WE USE THE ELECTRICAL DEFINITIONS.
BUT IF WE USE THE, THE, THE PLUMBER'S APPRENTICE DEFINITION, DOES THAT MEAN FOR OUR HOME BUILDERS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER PLUMBER IN EVERY HOME THAT IS HAVING PLUMBING WORK? THAT THAT'S AS OPPOSED TO USING THE ELECTRICAL DEFINITION THAT KIND OF JUST ALLOWS THEM TO BE WITHIN 500 FEET.
SO YOU COULD HAVE FOUR JOURNEYMEN WORKING IN FOUR DIFFERENT HOMES AND HAVE YOUR MASTER ON, ON IN THE VICINITY WITHIN 500 FEET.
THE MASTER DOESN'T ASKING THAT.
IS THAT GONNA APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL? YOU'RE MISREADING? YEAH.
WELL, UH, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THIS END, BUT IT WOULD BE JOURNEYMAN AND APPRENTICES.
THE MASTER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON SITE AT ALL.
THE JOURNEYMEN ARE THE OVERSIGHT FOR THE APPRENTICES.
SO MY MY MISTAKE, MISTAKE YOU HAVE, BUT YES, IT'S STILL THE SAME POINT.
YOU HAVE AN APPRENTICE WORKING IN A BUILDING.
THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT IS YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE APPRENTICES IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS WITH ONE JOURNEYMAN AND THAT ONSITE DEFINITION.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO AS FAR AS THE PLUMBING, WHAT IS THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, IF, IF ANY, TO CHANGE WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE ON THE JOB SITE OVERSIGHT? RIGHT.
VALERIE GLEASON, CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR, IF I MIGHT COMMENT ON THIS, IN 10 DASH ONE 13, WE DO HAVE A RATIO OF APPRENTICES TO JOURNEYMEN AND APPRE APPRENTICES TO RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN.
FOR A JOURNEYMAN, IT'S A RATIO OF ONE JOURNEYMAN TO EIGHT APPRENTICES.
IT'S ONE RESIDENTIAL WIREMAN TO FOUR APPRENTICES.
UH, THE MASTER, THERE IS NO LIMITATION, BUT TYPICALLY A MASTER ISN'T ON THE JOB SITE.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN THIS SAYS ON THE JOB OR A DIRECT SUPERVISION, THAT'S MY QUESTION, DOES A JOURNEYMAN HAVE TO BE IN EVERY HOME? I DON'T CARE WHAT THE RATIO IS.
THE WAY THAT READS IS A JOURNEYMAN HAS TO BE IN EVERY HOME WHERE PLUMBING WORK IS BEING DONE.
AND DO THE, I I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO OUR HOME BUILDERS ARE ON THIS, ON THIS BOARD.
IS IS THAT, IS THAT THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED? 'CAUSE TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF NUTS.
WE SHOULD USE, WE SHOULD JUST COPY THE DEFINITIONS FROM THE ELECTRICAL ONE DOWN.
THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE AN APPRENTICE WORKING, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR APPRENTICES DOING SOME WORK, AND THE JOURNEYMAN MOVES BETWEEN HOUSES AS OPPOSED TO A JOURNEYMAN HAVING TO BE AN EMORY HOUSE.
THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL EXPAND THAT DEFINITION TO NOT JUST BE FOR, UM, ELECTRICAL LICENSE HOLDERS.
WE'LL INCLUDE THAT FOR, UH, PLUMBING.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? BRIAN SMITH, EDWARD DELTORO? I JUST, UH, WANT TO KNOW WHY WAS THE, THE PART THAT SAYS THE DEFINITION PERTAINS TO ELECTRICAL APPRENTICE AND ELECTRICAL SIGN APPRENTICE TAKEN OUT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLARIFIED WHO THE SUPERVISION IS FOR.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT POINTER TO THE ELECTRICAL APPRENTICE AND SIGN APPRENTICE, UH, REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS OR LICENSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, IN, IN ONE 13.
CRYSTAL, DO WE, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
I MEAN, Y'ALL, IF Y'ALL WANNA DO A SUMMARY RECOMMENDATION AT THE END, WE'RE TAKING ALL THESE DOWN.
UM, AND CRAFTING OF THE LANGUAGE, YOU MEAN WE WILL BE MEETING NEXT WEEK, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GIVING US THE GUIDELINES.
YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.
WE'RE AGREEING WITH THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL KIND LANGUAGE.
YEAH, I I THINK THE BOARD WILL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE HAVE IT THAT WAY.
IT DEFINES IT AND I THINK IT'LL BE, MAKE EVERYTHING EASIER.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN PRESENT IT TO NEXT WEEK AS A FINAL, UH, SO Y'ALL CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO JEREMY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SET.
EACH ONE INDIVIDUAL SECTION ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THESE WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE, OR
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THE, WITH THE CLARIFICATIONS, I THINK SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE GONNA MEET NEXT WEEK, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY FINALIZING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN REPRESENT THOSE TO Y'ALL NEXT WEEK AS LIKE, HEY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY, GOOD.
UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK IT'D BE A LOT CLEANER.
AND HAVE THE SUMMARIZATION ALREADY INTEGRATED INTO THIS.
SO EVERYBODY'S CRYSTAL CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN BE CRYSTAL
ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM? YES.
SO NOW WE ARE INTO THE AMENDMENTS.
WE PROPOSE FOR THE BUILDING CODE.
THE FIRST ONE, UM, THE 2024 IBC PROPOSED TO ADD EMERGENCY SERVICE LIVING QUARTERS TO THE LIST OF OCCUPANCIES FOR R TWOS AND R THREES.
UH, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THAT OUT.
UH, WE HAVE THAT, IT CONFLICTS WITH THE, AN EXISTING AMENDMENT WE HAVE THAT SAYS THAT, UH, FIRE STATIONS INCLUDING THE ENTIRE BUILDING, THE DORMITORIES, THE UH, APPARATUS BAYS ARE A B OCCUPANCY.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO MUDDY UP THE WATERS WITH HAVING THE LIVING QUARTERS, UH, IDENTIFIED AS AN R TWO OR R THREE.
THE NEXT ITEM ADDED SHADE STRUCTURE TO THE FOOTNOTE FOR THE TABLE FOR MAXIMUM AREA OF EXTERIOR OPENINGS BASED ON THAT FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE.
SO FOR SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S FIVE FEET AWAY FROM A PROPERTY LINE OR ANOTHER STRUCTURE, THIS TABLE WOULD ONLY ALLOW LIKE 10% OPENINGS.
IF YOU WANT A SHADE STRUCTURE, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE OPEN ON ALL SIDES.
SO THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW THAT SHADE STRUCTURE TO HAVE UNLIMITED OPENINGS, UH, AS LONG AS IT HAS THAT FIVE FOOT SEPARATION DISTANCE.
THE NEXT AMENDMENT WAS ADDED TO CLARIFY THAT ILLUMINATION UNDER NORMAL POWER AND STAIRWAYS SHOULD BE AN AVERAGE OF 10 FOOT CANDLES AND NOT A MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT CANDLES AT THAT WALKING SURFACE.
SO IF YOU HAVE, UM, THE LIGHTS AT THE LANDINGS, AS LONG AS IT'S AN AVERAGE, UM, OF 10 FOOT CANDLES, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
UH, SHOULD BE UPDATED IN THE 2027, BUT IT GOT, IT GOT MISSED HERE.
NEXT ITEM WAS, UH, ADDING IN THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS TO CHAPTER 12 OF THE IBC, WHICH IS FOR INTERIOR ENVIRONMENTS.
SO THAT CHAPTER HAS SPECIFICATIONS FOR ROOM DIMENSIONS, HEATING AND LIGHTING, TOILET AND BATHROOM REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN 2020, BUT OOPS, WE FORGOT TO INCLUDE IT IN OUR CHAPTER 10 LAST TIME.
UM, SO JUST ADDING IT HERE, UH, IS REALLY JUST CONVENIENCE TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS ORDINANCE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT REQUIRES BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
THE NEXT ITEM WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUILDING CODE THAT REMOVED THE ELEVATED PV SUPPORT STRUCTURES AS A RISK CATEGORY FOUR.
UM, IF THOSE STRUCTURES ARE USED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE PARKING, UM, IN, IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, BE CONSCIOUS OF, OF FUNDS FOR, UM, FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE SEEING AROUND TOWN, THE NEXT ITEM YOU'LL SEE WAS A CHANGE TO 20, UH, TO CHAPTER 24 FOR GLASS IN THE IBC.
SO WE ADDED THIS AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF WIRE GLASS AND WINDOWS HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS, HANDRAILS, GUARDS, AND, UM, ATHLETIC FACILITIES.
WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND JUST ADDING IT TO THE CHAPTER 10 WILL ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO, UH, TO KNOW THAT UPFRONT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE IT A LOT ANYWAY.
AND THE LAST ITEM FOR, UH, THE LAST AMENDMENT FOR THE BUILDING CODE WAS TO ADOPT APPENDIX P FOR SLEEPING LOFTS.
SO THIS APPENDIX PROVIDES RELAXED REQUIREMENTS FOR SLEEPING LOFTS, UH, BETWEEN 35 AND 70 SQUARE FEET.
SO AGAIN, THAT WE'LL SEE MAYBE IN A, UM, AN R TWO USE, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY, YOU MAY SEE THAT, UM, THE IRC ALREADY HAS THOSE RELAXED PROVISIONS FOR SLEEPING LOFTS.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING INTO THE IRC.
SO IN CHAPTER THREE, WE HAVE A TABLE THAT IDENTIFIES THE SPECIFIC DESIGN CRITERIA TO SAN ANTONIO.
DUE TO THE NEW SNOW LOAD, THIS TABLE WILL BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT, UH, SIX PSF INSTEAD OF FIVE FOR THE SNOW LOAD.
NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES WE SAW IN THE IRC, WE DIDN'T PROPOSE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING SECTION.
UM, SO WE'RE JUMPING RIGHT INTO CHAPTER 14 FOR, UH, MECHANICAL TO HEATING AND COOLING EQUIPMENT AND APPLIANCES.
SO THESE, UH, CHAPTERS, AS YOU GUYS MAY
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OR MAY NOT REMEMBER, WERE REVIEWED BY THE MECHANICAL SUBCOMMITTEE.THE FIRST PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CHAPTER REMOVES THAT REQUIREMENT FOR A TWO L REFRIGERANT SYSTEMS TO HAVE A LABEL MARKED WITH THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE INSTALLING CONTRACTOR.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A OVERKILL.
SO WE JUST STRUCK THAT REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A, UM, A PLACARD THAT HAD THAT CONTACT INFO FOR THE INSTALLING CONTRACTOR.
AND THE SECOND ITEM FOR CHAPTER 14 SPECIFIED THAT AUXILIARY DRAIN PAN LINES SHALL, SHALL DISCHARGE TO A CLEARLY VISIBLE LOCATION NEAR THE EGRESS STORE.
SO THIS WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE MASSAGE TO, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST A CONSPICUOUS LOCATION, WE MADE IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, SPECIFIC.
SO, SO HOME BUILDERS WOULD, WOULD PUT IT IN AN AREA THAT WOULD BE EASILY RECOGNIZED BY THE BUILDING OCCUPANTS OR HOMEOWNER.
NEXT ITEM WE REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR CLOSET DRYERS, EXHAUSTING MORE THAN 200 CFM TO BE PROVIDED WITH MAKEUP AIR.
THE LAST ITEM THERE WAS, UM, THE IRC AT A LISTA REQUIREMENTS TO CHAPTER 24, THAT DISCHARGE PIPING.
UH, WE JUST COPIED OVER THE AMENDMENTS WE HAVE IN THE IPC JUST TO MAKE THAT CONSISTENT AMONG ALL THE CODES.
WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN IN THE IMC.
ALRIGHT, NEC, WE GOT A LOT, LOTS OF CHANGES HERE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK.
THAT FIRST ONE WAS, UH, WE ADDED AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THE NEUTRAL CONDUCTOR AND THAT N CABLE TO BE RE-IDENTIFIED AS A HOT CONDUCTOR FOR NUMBER 10 AND SMALLER.
THIS WAS A CODE INTERPRETATION THAT WE PREPARED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, RECOGNIZING THE UNAVAILABILITY OF THE FACTORY COLOR CODED NM CABLE.
THIS IS THE PERFECT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH OUR CODE INTERPRETATIONS.
IF WE REALIZE, UH, THIS IS IS SOMETHING ALL OF OUR, UH, DESIGNERS, CONTRACTORS SHOULD KNOW, WE WANNA ADD IT INTO OUR CHAPTER 10.
NEXT ITEM, REMOVE THE OPTION OF UTILIZE 10 AMP BRANCH CIRCUITS.
SO WE ALREADY SEE ISSUES WITH THE 15 AMP BRANCH CIRCUITS BEING OVERLOADED AND DEFINITELY NOT DESIRABLE TO ALLOW THE 10 AMP BRANCH CIRCUITS.
ALSO, THE RECEPTACLES FOR ISLAND AND PENINSULA COUNTERTOPS.
WE HAD A CO CODE INTERPRETATION FOR THIS AS WELL.
SO FOR THE ISLAND AND PENINSULA COUNTERTOPS, YOU HAVE A POPUP OR A RECEPTACLE ON THE COUNTERTOP.
WE ELIMINATED THE OPTION TO HAVE A JUNCTION BOX FOR FUTURE INSTALLATION.
JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE IT WAS A HAZARD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS WOULD NOT PULL A PERMIT AND INSTALL THAT, UM, IN A DANGEROUS MANNER.
THE NEXT ITEM, WE ADDED AN AMENDMENT TO REINFORCE THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THAT TWO HOUR FIRE BARRIER TO SEPARATE AREAS SERVED BY AN ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
SO THIS WAS, UM, CARRIED OVER FROM CPS STANDARDS.
UM, CPS SAYS, HEY, WHY ARE WE ENFORCING THIS TWO HOUR BARRIER REQUIREMENT? UH, SO WE ADDED IT TO OUR CODE AGAIN, JUST FOR CONVENIENCE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DESIGNERS, UH, ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS REQUIRED.
UM, UNLESS THOSE SERVICES ARE CO-LOCATED.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ON THAT FOR LIKE A D RATE? IF IT'S A SPRINKLE BUILDING? YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I DON'T KNOW IF MY MICROPHONE'S PICKING UP.
MY QUESTION WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE SEE THOSE HOUR RATINGS CUT IN HALF IN A FULLY SPRINKLED BUILDING.
WAS, IS THAT STILL COVERED SOMEWHERE? CPS? NO, THAT'S NOT, UH, AN EXCEPTION HERE FOR THIS REQUIREMENT WITH THOSE, UH, MULTIPLE SERVICES FOR ONE BUILDING.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION,
ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM, I SHOULD HAVE NUMBERED THESE.
I NUMBERED THEM ON MY PAPER, BUT NOW I'LL FOLLOW ALONG.
UH, SO THE CHANGES TO SECTION TWO 40.4 FOR OVER CURRENT DEVICES HAS ADDED THE ADJUSTABLE TRIP OVER CURRENT PROTECTION DEVICE IS BEING PERMITTED TO HAVE AN AMPACITY VALUE SET THAT DOESN'T EXCEED THE NEXT HIGHER STANDARD OVER CURRENT PROTECTION DEVICE.
UM, THIS WE ARE REMOVING THIS.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS OPTION DUE TO A POTENTIAL HAZARD OF THOSE THAT HAVE ACCESS MAY DIAL UP THE AMPACITY, UH, WITHOUT ACTUALLY VERIFYING THE WIRE SIZE.
NEXT ITEM REQUIRES THE REPLACEMENT OF A PANEL TO REQUIRE THE FEEDER INCLUDES SEPARATE, GROUNDED AND GROUNDING CONDUCTORS
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UNLESS THE TWO WIRE SYSTEM IS IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE DWELLING.AND WE ALSO ADDED THAT, UM, OR IF THE THREE WIRE RECEPTACLES HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CODE.
NEXT ITEM UPDATES ARTICLE FOUR, 40.8 TO STATE THAT THE AIR CONDITIONING OR REFRIGERATION SYSTEM CAN'T BE WITHIN A CERTAIN ZONE AROUND THE BATHTUB OR SHOWER.
SO WE ADDED SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE THAT STATES THAT THE INSTALLATION ABOVE THE CEILING, UH, UH, ABOVE THE CEILING OF A BATHTUB OR SHOWER SHALL STILL BE PERMITTED, UH, AS LONG AS IT IS ABOVE THE CEILING.
UM, WE FEEL THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS SECTION.
NEXT ITEM FOR THE NEC REMOVES THE OPTION FOR DISCONNECTING MEANS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN A GENERATOR, BEHIND A COVER OR A DOOR.
THE DISCONNECTING MEANS SHALL BE CLEARLY EVIDENT IF IT'S BEHIND A A DOOR, IT WOULD NOT BE CLEARLY EVIDENT.
UM, FOR THE NEXT ITEM, WE PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THE RECONDITIONED EQUIPMENT TO BE UTILIZED IN PATIENT CARE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS ONLY.
SO WE ADDED AN EXCEPTION THAT, UH, RECONDITION EQUIPMENT CAN BE USED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
NEXT TWO ITEMS WERE IN DEVELOPED IN COORDINATION WITH CPS.
AND THE FIRST ITEM ADDED VERBIAGE TO CLEAR THAT, CLARIFY THAT FOR PARALLELING ELECTRIC GENERATORS OR AUXILIARY POWER SUPPLIES, THAT THE TRANSFER SCHEME SHALL PARALLEL NOT MORE THAN NO MORE THAN ONE SECOND WITH THE CPS ENERGY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
DURING THE TRANSFER OF THE LOAD FROM EMERGENCY OR STANDBY POWER TO NORMAL POWER.
IS THAT GONNA BE APPLICABLE TO MEDICAL HOSPITALS? 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I DO USED TO DO THOSE WITH HOSPITAL ONE, I MEAN, ONE SECOND IS A, YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION OF YOU HAVE HOSPITALS THEY PROBABLY PARALLEL A LITTLE LONGER.
THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR, UM, I THINK CERTAINLY CPS WOULD CONSIDER ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, ESPECIALLY FOR A HOSPITAL SITUATION.
ALRIGHT, THE THE NEXT ITEM ADDED THAT FOR THE UM, INTERCONNECTED MICROGRID SYSTEM, THEY SHALL BE CAPABLE OF OPERATING IN INTERACTIVE MODE.
UM, THOSE MICROGRID SYSTEMS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO DISCONNECT FROM OTHER SOURCES AND OPERATE IN ISLAND MODE, UM, ONLY DURING THE LOSS OF UTILITY POWER TO ACT AS A BACKUP SOURCE.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS INPUT FROM CPS THAT, UH, ONLY DURING THE LOSS OF UTILITY POWER, UM, SHOULD THAT BE USED AS A BACKUP SOURCE.
UH, AND THE LAST ITEM CLARIFIES THAT THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SHALL BE COMMISSIONED BY CPS ENERGY FOR THE ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO JUST, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT FOR ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, UH, IT WOULD BE CPS DOING THAT COMMISSIONING.
JUST A FEW ITEMS FOR THE MECHANICAL CODE.
AS I MENTIONED, WE ADDED THE AMENDMENTS FOR THAT DISCHARGE PIPING FOR BOILERS AND WATER HEATERS FROM THE IPC.
UH, SO THAT WAS A, A NEW LIST OF ITEMS THEY BROUGHT INTO THE MECHANICAL CODE, AND WE JUST DUPLICATED OUR, UH, IPC AMENDMENT THERE.
SO WE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW REFRIGERANT.
SO THIS SECTION 1101 0.7 WAS THE CHANGING REFRIGERANT.
SO WE ADDED AN AMENDMENT TO SAY, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT CHANGE OF REFRIGERANT IN AN EXISTING SYSTEM TO A REFRIGERANT WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION OR CONTAINS MORE THAN 220 POUNDS OF GROUP A ONE, UH, THAT, THAT THE, THAT SEC, THIS SECTION SHALL BE FOLLOWED.
SO THIS WAS KIND OF A SOME 2021 LANGUAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT OVER TO KINDA COMBINE IT TO SAY, UH, NOT EVERY TIME THAT WHEN YOU'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THESE LARGE QUANTITIES OF REFRIGERANT, SHALL YOU, UM, UH, REPORT IT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE OWNER AND ALL, ALL OF THAT LIST OF ITEMS. THE LAST ITEM WAS AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE FIRE RATED SHAFT ENCLOSURE.
SO WE MODIFIED THE EXCEPTION TO INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ANY REFRIGERANT THAT DOESN'T EXCEED THE LIMITS OF THE TABLES IN CHAPTER 11, UH, MEETS THE EXCEPTION FOR REQUIRING THOSE RATED RATED SHAFTS.
SO WE KIND OF EXPANDED THAT NOT TO JUST THE A ONE, BUT TO ALL REFRIGERANTS FOR THE PLUMBING CODE, THERE WAS A NEW SECTION THAT REQUIRED THE INSTALLATION OF TRACER WIRE FOR SEWER PIPE.
SO, UH, DURING THE DISCUSSION, WE DECIDED THAT THAT COST BENEFIT, UH, WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR
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SEWER, UM, TO ADD THAT TRACER WIRE.SO WE ELIMINATED THAT REQUIREMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UM, AND WE ALSO REMOVED THE OPTION TO CONDUCT THE TESTING OF THE DRAIN WASTE AND VENT PIPING AT TOP OUT.
SO WE REALLY WANT THAT INSPECTION TO BE CON CONDUCTED AT THE ROUGH-IN STAGE.
UM, WE WERE, WE WERE HAVING PEOPLE REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
NOT CALLING THAT INSPECTION IN AT THE ROUGH-IN, UH, IT JUST REALLY CAUSED, UM, IF THERE WAS A LEAK, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO DETECT AND CORRECT AT A TOP OUT STAGE.
THE LAST ITEM IN THE PLUMBING CODE, UH, WE EXPANDED THE EXCEPTION FOR DRINKING FOUNTAINS TO ALL USES THAT PROVIDE WATER FREE OF CHARGE.
SO CURRENTLY RESTAURANTS, CLINICS, DAYCARES, HOSPITAL NURSING, HOME NURSING HOMES THAT PROVIDE, UH, DRINKING WATER FREE OF CHARGE AREN'T REQUIRED TO INSTALL DRINKING FOUNTAINS.
SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND THAT TO ALL USES THAT PROVIDE DRINKING WATER FREE OF CHARGE.
SO SECTION 1 0 5 0.5 INCLUDES REALLY A LIST OF REPEALED SECTIONS.
UH, SO 1 0 5 0.5 IS FOR OPERATIONAL PERMITS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SECTIONS THAT THE FIRE CODE, SAY OPERATIONAL PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO WE UPDATED THE LIST OF REPEALED, UM, SECTIONS, SO WE DON'T REQUIRE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR PLANNED EXTRACTION SYSTEMS, FUMIGATION AND FOGGING.
UM, SO WE ADDED TO THAT LIST TO SAY THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR LIKE TEMPORARY HEATING FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES.
THE NEXT ITEM IS WE UPDATED THE FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD SURFACE REQUIREMENTS TO SUPPORT 85,000 POUNDS.
SO THAT WAS INCREASED FROM 75,000.
SO WE CHANGED THE LOCATION OF THE KEY BOXES, UH, FOR THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND FROM GRADE.
SO CURRENTLY THE CODE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT THOSE KEY BOXES BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 FEET FROM THE SIDE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EIGHT TO 10 FEET FROM GRADE.
SO BOTH OF THOSE PARAMETERS WERE CHANGED TO FIVE TO SEVEN FEET, A LITTLE MORE, UH, A LITTLE EASIER TO ACCESS, A LITTLE MORE PRACTICAL.
THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WAS A CODE INTERPRETATION THAT WE'VE HAD ON THE BOOK SINCE 2010.
SO WE ADDED THIS TO THE CODE THAT SPECIFIES THAT TYPE ONE HOOD'S NOT REQUIRED IN FIRE STATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE THAT PORTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHER WITHIN 30 FEET.
UM, EVEN THOUGH FIRE STATIONS A 24 7 OPERATION, UM, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COOKING AS A MAIN MEANS OF THEIR OPERATION.
UH, AND A TYPE ONE HOOD IS A LITTLE OVERKILL.
YEAH, THIS, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS IS GREG MCFARLAND.
ANY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT UNLESS IT'S AN R ONE OR AN R TWO, MOST OTHER STATES WILL, NA WILL REQUIRE IT.
UM, I'VE HAD THIS ISSUE IN SOME OTHER STATES WHERE WE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY MADE IT THROUGH THERE, BUT IT'S, IT, IT IS INTERPRETED BY OTHER STATES AS A VERY SELF-SERVING BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOT THAT EXCEPTION.
IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL RANGE, ANY, IN ANY OTHER OCCUPANCY WHERE I'VE DEALT WITH THIS IN OTHER STATES, IT'S A TYPE ONE HOOD NO MATTER WHAT.
SO JUST AS A, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES EVERYWHERE ELSE, THIS IS A ODD THING TO HAVE.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN, UM, ALLOWING THIS OFFICIALLY SINCE 20 20 10, UH, BY WAY OF A CODE INTERPRETATION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COOKING AS A, UM, LIKE A RESTAURANT WOULD OR UNDERSTOOD, BUT I'VE, I'VE EVEN DONE IT IN, IN ASSISTED LIVINGS OR VETERANS' HOMES WHERE THEY HAVE A KITCHEN, UH, COLLEGE DORMS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A KITCHEN WHERE IT'S THE SAME THING.
IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT.
AGAIN, THAT'S MY ONLY POINT ON THIS IS MOST OTHER JURISDICTIONS WOULD STILL REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A TYPE ONE.
SO YEAH, THERE ARE SOME VARIATIONS AROUND, UM, BUT PER STATE, THIS IS, IT'S FALLING ALONG IN THE STATE GUIDELINES.
GREG, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT GO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AMENDMENT? IT'S ALREADY, I'D SAY THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S ALREADY APPROVED IT.
I'M JUST PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE WORK IN 48 OTHER STATES IN A COUPLE COUNTRIES THAT THIS IS AN UNUSUAL INTERPRETATION.
AND, AND OTHER STATES WHERE I HAVE DONE WORK WHERE WE RAN INTO THIS, IT IS DEAN, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE LAUGH WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT THIS AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S AWFUL SELF-SERVING THAT THE FIRE CODE WOULD FORCE ALL
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THESE OTHER, ALL THESE OTHER OCCUPANCIES TO HAVE IT.AND YET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT, THAT THEY LOOK AT IT, IT IS A VERY SELF-SERVING AMENDMENT.
SO BRIAN SMITH, SO TEXAS IS ONE THAT DOES BEXAR COUNTY WILL ACTUALLY MAKE YOU.
SO IT DEPENDS WHICH AREA YOU ARE IN TEXAS.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WILL DO IT.
I JUST DID AN ASSISTED, UM, DEMENTIA CARE FACILITY.
THEY TOLD ME I DIDN'T AND THEN HAD TO DO IT.
SO THERE IS STILL SOME INTERPRETATIONS, BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE STATE GUIDELINES ARE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'M COMFORTABLE NOT DOING WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO AND I FEEL VERY SAFE ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OF ALL PLACES BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THIS.
I, I GENERAL, I'M GENERALLY SYMPATHETIC TO NOT GIVING THE CITY ADVANTAGES THAT THE REST OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T NEED.
BUT THIS I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AS, AS A COMPLETE SIDE NOTE, I DID A PROJECT IN KOREA THAT HAD A TYPE TWO, BUT IT HAD A MISTING SYSTEM THAT, UH, WAS REALLY A, A, A COST EFFECTIVE INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ANSLE, THE DRY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WENT WITH IT.
IT JUST WAS SIMPLY A, A DOMESTIC WATER LINE THAT CONNECTED TO A MISTING SYSTEM THAT WAS INSTALLED IN THE HOOD.
IT WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING SYSTEM.
IT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER USED IT.
UM, I THINK CAPTIVE AIR MAKES THAT HOOD JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S REFERENCE.
SO THIS, UM, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD JUST BE FOR FIRE STATIONS WHERE THERE IS A BUILDING FULL OF PROFESSIONALS.
SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS, UM, WE REMOVE THE EXCEPTION THAT STATES THAT CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTIONS NOT REQUIRED IN GROUP SF AND U OCCUPANCIES THAT AREN'T NORMALLY OCCUPIED.
UM, SO SECTION NINE 15 STATES THAT THE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS ARE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED IN ALL BUILDINGS CONTAINED IN THAT FUEL FIRED, THAT FUEL BURNING APPLIANCE.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED TO REMOVE THAT EXCEPTION THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THESE OCCUPANCIES THAT NOR AREN'T NORMALLY OCCUPIED 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES GOING INTO THESE BUILDINGS, UH, THAT AREN'T NORMALLY OCCUPIED.
AND THAT CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION WOULD REALLY ALERT THEM TO A HAZARD, UM, IF THEY DID HAVE TO GO INTO ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS.
AND THE LAST ITEM FOR THE FIRE CODE IS WE UPDATED THE FIRE FLOW MEASUREMENT FROM 20 TO 25 PSI RESIDUAL PRESSURE.
SO THIS, UM, THE TESTING REPORT WAS PREVIOUSLY UPDATED AND THE CODE IS JUST KIND OF CATCHING UP TO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING THE 25 PSI FOR A WHILE NOW.
LAST TWO FIRE CODE ITEMS, UM, ADOPTING APPENDIX L.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS LANGUAGE, UM, ON YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL HANDOUT, WE DECIDED TO ADOPT APPENDIX L IF, AND, AND IT SPECIFIES THAT IF THAT FIREFIGHTER AIR REPLENISHMENT SYSTEM IS INSTALLED.
SO THAT FIRST ITEM THAT WE AMENDED, IT SAYS INSTALLATION WHERE INSTALLED THAT FARS SHALL COMPLY WITH THIS APPENDIX WHERE INSTALLED.
SO WE REMOVED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIVE STORY BUILDING OR 500,000, BUT WE DID KEEP WHERE YOU DO INSTALL IT.
WE, WE WANT THE SUPPLY RISER HERE.
UH, WE WANT, WE STILL IDENTIFY THE LOCATION WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS, UH, THE SYSTEM TO BE INSTALLED.
OH, AND, UH, THEN ADOPT THIS PROBABLY A TABLED ITEM.
THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE TIME NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS THE ADOPTION OF THE INTERNATIONAL WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE CODE.
SECTION 10 DASH ONE 13, THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS AND ELECTRICAL SIGN CONTRACTORS.
WE JUST KIND OF REORGANIZE THIS SECTION, PUT IT IN A LIST FORMAT.
UM, THIS ONE IS ON YOUR, UM, HANDOUT THAT JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICAL ELECTRICIAN AND JOURNEYMAN SIGN ELECTRICIAN, UH, JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN SHALL PERFORM ELECTRICAL OR ELECTRICAL SIGN WORK UNDER THE GENERAL SUPERVISION OF A MASTER ELECTRICIAN OR A MASTER SIGN ELECTRICIAN ON BEHALF OF AN ELECTRICAL OR ELECTRICAL SIGN CONTRACTOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN.
RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN SHALL PERFORM ELECTRICAL WORK ONLY AS DEFINED BY SECTION 10 DASH 25.
SO THAT WAS THE DEFINITION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, AND THEN UNDER THE GENERAL SUPERVISION OF A MASTER ELECTRICIAN AND THEN ELECTRICAL APPRENTICE THERE, HERE'S WHERE VALERIE WAS SPEAKING TO THE, UH, RATIOS, UM, THAT ARE INCLUDED THERE FOR THE APPRENTICE.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE, I KNOW WE KIND OF RUSHED THROUGH IT.
UM, I'M, CAN YOU, UH, SELECT ON MY TOP? IT'S NOT, IT'S OKAY.
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ITEM OR NOT LAST ITEM, DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, MISLEAD YOU GUYS.WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER, UH, CODE SUMMARY THAT WE WENT THROUGH, BUT THIS IS THE LAST ITEM FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 10.
UH, OR CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS ACTUALLY WAS THE CHANGE FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND IRRIGATORS.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO STRIKE OUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY PLUMBING INSPECTOR SHALL DOCUMENT ON THE INSPECTION RECORDS, THE STATIC PRESSURE AND WATER SOURCE OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY ISSUES WITH, UM, WITH PRESSURES AND OUR INSPECTORS HAVEN'T BEEN CONDUCTING THIS TEST OR, OR DOCUMENTING THAT.
SO WE JUST SAID, HEY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THIS REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE.
JUST A LITTLE UPDATE ON OUR HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION.
UM, SO WE IMPLEMENTED THIS FEBRUARY 1ST, 2023 THAT SAID THAT HOME BUILDERS WOULD NEED TO GET A RESIDENTIAL ICC CERTIFICATION OR ANOTHER APPROVED CERTIFICATION.
UM, ANYBODY THAT HAD FIVE OR MORE YEARS REGISTRATION WITH US WAS GRANDFATHERED.
UH, SO WHEN THIS WENT INTO EFFECT FEBRUARY 1ST, 2023.
SORRY, CRYSTAL, UH, JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION.
BRIAN SMITH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? GRANDFATHERED? SO, SO THEY DID NOT HAVE TO GET AN ICC CERTIFICATION, SO THEY WERE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR.
SO THEY WERE EXEMPT FROM THE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT IF THEY HELD, IF THEY WERE REGISTERED WITH US FOR FIRE, FIVE OR MORE, UM, CONTINUOUS YEARS.
SO WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THIS FEBRUARY 1ST, 2023, ANYBODY THAT, ANY NEW HOME BUILDER THAT CAME AFTER THAT TIME, WE, UH, WE KIND OF GAVE THEM A GRACE PERIOD.
SO LET'S SAY THEY CAME SUMMER 23, WE SAID YOU HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, SO DECEMBER, 2023, YOU HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, TO SUBMIT THIS ICC CERTIFICATION.
UM, AND THEN JANUARY, 2024, IF YOU HAVE NOT, THEN YOUR REGISTRATION IS CANCELED.
SO, UM, I'M GETTING VERIFICATION ON THESE NUMBERS, BUT KIND OF A, A GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THAT HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR FROM JANUARY 23 TO CURRENT INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE HAVE ALSO HAD NEW REGISTERED BUILDING CONTRACTORS.
UM, WE HAD 4,453 THAT WERE EXEMPT OR, OR GRANDFATHERED, UH, AND 118 THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THAT ICC CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, LIKE, IS THIS MAKING A DIFFERENCE? SO WE DO REPORT THE PERCENTAGE OF FRAME INSPECTIONS THAT ARE PASSED ON THE FIRST INSPECTION.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE LIKE AT THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE CHART, OCTOBER, 2022 WENT BACK THAT FAR.
UM, IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU CAN SEE A KIND OF NOT LEVELS OUT, BUT GETS A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT AROUND THAT.
YEAH, THAT SUMMER 2023, UM, WE STILL HAVE SOME UPS AND DOWNS, BUT, UH, THIS WAS REALLY KIND OF THE ONLY INDICATION THAT I COULD THINK OF THAT WOULD SAY, IS THIS WORKING? BUT I KNOW JEREMY MENTIONED IT, UH, WHEN THIS QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP, WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN THE FULL EFFECT OF THIS REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU CAME IN JANUARY, 2023, YOUR HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION IS GOOD FOR TWO YEARS, RIGHT? WE ARE NOT GOING AND KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR TO SAY, HEY, WE CHANGED THE REQUIREMENTS AFTER YOU GOT YOUR REGISTRATION AND NOW YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW ONES.
SO JANUARY 20, YOU COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO JANUARY, 2025, UM, WITH YOUR REGISTRATION THAT YOU GOT PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE.
LIKE I, LIKE I SAID, WE, UM, WE REPORT THESE PERCENT PASSING, UH, VALUES TO GABA EVERY OTHER MONTH.
THANK YOU FOR PREPARING THE INFORMATION.
I'M THE ONE THAT THAT ASKED FOR IT.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN WHY I ASKED FOR IT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YEAH, SO FAR NO EFFECT, RIGHT? UM, MY EXPERIENCE HAVING A GUY ON, ON PAYROLL THAT USED TO PULL OUR PERMITS FOR US, RIGHT? NOT ENGLISH IS NOT HIS FIRST LANGUAGE.
BEEN EXPERIENCED, BEEN DOING THIS 30 YEARS.
WE PULL PERMITS, WE PASS INSPECTIONS.
COULD NOT FOR THE LIFE OF HIM PASS THAT TEST, RIGHT? UM, HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I I PROMISE YOU HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
AND I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM.
UM, I SAID THIS THREE YEARS AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS WHEN WE, WHEN WE LAID THIS OUT, AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE IT.
I THINK THE TEST IS, ALL IT SERVES IS, IS, UH, A BARRIER ENTRY FOR PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR COULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
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YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, PRODUCTION HOME BUILDERS, RIGHT? EACH INDIVIDUAL YOUNG MAN OR WOMAN THAT GOES OUT IN THE FIELD TO BE THE BUILDERS NOT PASSING THIS TEST, RIGHT? YOU JUST HAVE ONE PERSON AT THE TOP.UM, THE MAJORITY OF NEW HOMES ARE BEING BUILT, BEING SUPERVISED BY UNCERTIFIED PEOPLE.
BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MARKET, UM, AND IT CREATES A BARRIER TO ENTRY.
AND I JUST, I'M A BIG CRITIC OF IT.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ANYTHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THE GRANDFATHERING IS DONE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OUR GUY, YOU KNOW, WE STOPPED DOING SOME WORK DURING THE, THE, DURING THE PANDEMIC TO, TO, TO SQUIRREL AWAY MONEY.
AND I, I GUESS HE LOST HIS CONTINUATION.
FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY SOLD TO ME, HE COULDN'T CONTINUE TO PULL PERMITS, MAYBE CHANGED HIS NAME AND IT DIDN'T GO BACK, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER HIS LLC WAS.
WHATEVER IT IS, I, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING, UH, FOR THE CITY BY, BY CREATING A, A WRITTEN TEST, UM, FOR INSPECTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE PASSED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU PASS A TEST.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY A GOOD DISCUSSION ONCE WE FINISH THIS CODE CYCLE IN BETWEEN.
THE NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE AND SIT WITH THE CITY IS TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS.
I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I, I AGREE WITH ALSO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO IS TO TRY TO CREATE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING WITH INSPECTORS AND SUCH.
SO I THINK, UH, IF WE WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH, BRAINSTORM SOME IDEAS THAT CAN ACTUALLY CREATE IT WITHOUT CREATING THIS HINDRANCE, UM, MAYBE A, A GOOD THING FOR US TO WORK ON IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT CODE CYCLE.
UH, I HAVE TO DEFER AT TIMES 'CAUSE I SURE DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE THE CITY.
AND IF THE CITY COMES UP WITH THE STANDARD, AND IF OTHER CITIES AND OTHER GOVERNING JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITIES, MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A STANDARD TO DO THAT, UH, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE EXCEPTION.
BUT THAT HAPPENS WHETHER YOU'RE DOING, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING CODES, YOU ALWAYS HAVE RECOURSE ON THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE RARITY, WHETHER THAT RARITY IS 1% OR 15%.
AND I HAVE TO DEFER TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, MIKE, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
SO I'M NOT, UH, AT THIS POINT, AND I AGREE WITH, WITH BRIAN, A SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS FURTHER.
AND YOU MAY HAVE THE MOST WONDERFUL PERSON WHO CAN'T PASS THE TEST, BUT THERE'S JUST PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
BUT I WOULDN'T CHANGE THE, THE RULES AND THE PROCESS FOR THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL.
ROBERT, I I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND, AND YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT COME INTO THIS ROOM AND GET MY OWN PERSONAL ISSUES.
SO, SO I'LL DO THAT AFTER THE MEETING, UM,
BUT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S ONLY TWO YEARS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A LONGSTANDING TESTING REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M SUGGESTING WE REMOVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SURVIVED, UM, FOR A VERY LONG TIME WITHOUT IT.
AND I STILL MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE LARGE CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, AND IT'S UP TO US TO, TO FIGHT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND I, I WON'T KEEP GOING LIKE THIS, ROBERT, HE, AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT IN MY, IN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THE CITY JUST GRABBED IT OUTTA THIN AIR.
THERE WAS SOME, A LOT OF DIALOGUE AND DECISION MAKING BEFORE THEY IMPLEMENTED THIS PROCESS.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY, HEY, THERE WAS SOME BACKGROUND DISCUSSION BEFORE THEY DID THIS.
THEY DIDN'T JUST GRAB IT, SHOOT FROM THE HIP.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE BRIAN SAID, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN FLUSH ALL THAT OUT.
AND AS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE OPINION, WHAT DO OTHER CITIES THE SIZE OF SAN ANTONIO DO? WHAT IS THEIR PROCESS AND PROCEDURE? BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ALL THE TIME.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY AND THAT CAN BE PART OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE'S CHARGE.
AND LISTEN IT, I'VE SAID MY PIECE, IF IF THERE'S NOT AGREEMENT, WE CAN MOVE ON.
I WON'T, I WON'T DRAG THIS DOWN.
HEY MIKE, CAN WE GET ONE MORE BIT OF INFORMATION? CAN WE GET A COMPARISON AND BREAK DOWN THIS INFORMATION BY THE EXEMPT AND THE ICC RECEIVED ON THE FRAMING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO WENT THROUGH WHO HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE COURSE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE RE IN OTHER WORDS, IF I LOOK AT THAT GRAPH AND IT BASICALLY SAYS, YOU, YOU, NOTHING'S CHANGED.
AND, AND I WOULD DISAGREE A LITTLE WITH ROBERT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT ALL THE, THE CITIES BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE ALL THE CITIES THAT DO IT DON'T MEAN, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT.
AND, AND A LOT OF CITIES PUT IMPEDIMENTS TO BUILDING THAT CAUSES THEIR COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND COST OF HOUSING TO GO UP EXPONENTIALLY.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE SAN FRANCISCO, WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE DALLAS.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE HOUSTON.
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TO BE LIKE AUSTIN WHERE IT'S 20% MORE EXPENSIVE TO OWN A HOUSE OR RENT AN APARTMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT.BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS HAD A RULE A LONG TIME THAT ALL THESE POSITIONS NEED COLLEGE EDUCATIONS AS THEIR BARRIER TO ENTRY.
THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT TO GET RID OF ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS WHERE CERTIFICATION DOES NOT MATTER AND OR AN ED YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR BOOKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DID IN COLLEGE DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT FACT.
AND IF THE, THE NUMBERS DON'T CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE ICC HAD CREATED A NEW CERTIFICATION PROGRAM AND THEY'RE PUSHING IT OUT ON THEIR COUNSILS ALL OVER.
AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR CURRENT, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GRANDFATHERED VERSUS THE ICC CERTIFIED, THEN REALLY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.
MARK, I, LET ME JUST, I, LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE SORT OF ILLUSTRATION.
UM, BECAUSE I, I SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ON THE, UH, THE TECHNICAL ADVISOR COMMITTEE.
IF YOU GO BACK AND, AND MIND AND I KNOW THAT WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO AS AN INDUSTRY, WE HAD A TREE ORDINANCE THAT CAME UP AND THERE WAS SUCH MENTING AND CONSTERNATION ABOUT IN IMPLEMENTING THIS, THAT THE CITY WENT AND THEY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE AND THEY DID IT.
AND THEY'VE HAD, WE'RE ON PROBABLY VERSION 0.4 OR 0.5, AND NOW WE HAVE SHADING COEFFICIENTS AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S GONE OUTTA BUSINESS 'CAUSE OF THAT TREE ORDINANCE.
ROBERT, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS, IS OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE IS THAT IT, IT MAKES THE CITY LESS SUSTAINABLE.
IT MAKES IT LESS WALKABLE BECAUSE THE MORE TREES YOU HAVE TO HAVE, THE BIGGER THE SITE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WHICH MEANS IT SPREADS EVERYTHING APART AND IT RAISES THE PRICE OF HOUSING.
AND, AND I SERVED ON THE FIRST TREE COMMITTEE AND YOU KNOW, THAT WE SUPPORTED IT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA MAKE OUT, LIKE OUR INDUSTRY DOESN'T SUPPORT SMART STUFF, BUT THE MORE YOU REQUIRE ACREAGE TO HAVE LARGER SITES, THE LESS WALKABLE AND THE LESS SUSTAINABLE THE CITY BECOMES.
SO I WOULD JUST DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT.
IT DOESN'T PUT ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS, IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT THAT'S A NARROW PERSPECTIVE.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF ANY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY.
I, I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, TESTING OR TREES OR SETBACKS OR HEIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
AND SO ALL MY ORIGINAL COMMENT AND INTENT WAS WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE THAT WENT INTO THIS DECISION MAKING.
AND WE NEED, AND YES, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE, NOBODY EVER WANTS TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN AUSTIN, BUT THERE IS A REASON HOW WE GOT FROM POINT A TO POINT B TO POINT C.
AND WE NEED TO HONOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE AS A BOARD OR A COMMITTEE CAN MICROMANAGE ALL THE PROCESSES THAT GO ON IN THE CITY.
THIS IS, THIS IS EMMY AND TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, LET ME JUST JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT SEEMS WE ARE HASHING THE SAME CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST, UH, CODE CYCLE.
UM, I DON'T WANNA TALK FOR A LONG TIME, BUT JUST A QUICK HISTORY.
SO NUMBER ONE IS WE USED TO HAVE AN EXAM THAT WE CONDUCT HERE INTERNALLY FOR ANY CONTRACTORS.
AND LONG TIME AGO WE HAD A LOT MORE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS VERSUS BUILDERS BECAUSE I GUESS THAT EXAM AND WE HAD A LOT LESS COMPLAINTS COMING IN FOR BUILDERS OR ANY ISSUES WITH INSPECTIONS OR EVEN WITH OWNERS WHEN THEY OCCUPY THAT STRUCTURE AT SOME POINT.
AND THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WE START NOTICING THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE FEE WAS VERY CLOSE AND EVERYBODY STARTED TO GO FROM HOME IMPROVEMENT TO HOME BUILDER.
SO WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP TO YOU, AND MOST OF YOU WERE HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE CYCLE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN EXAM HERE, WE ARE GONNA UTILIZE ICC AND THIS BOARD APPROVED IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND ONE COMMENT, I KNOW, UH, MY Q SAID SOMEBODY IS ENGLISH IS NOT FIRST LANGUAGE.
MY ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE EITHER, BUT I PASSED 20 EXAMS WITH ICC.
SO WHEN YOU NEED TO DO IT, YOU NEED TO DO IT AND YOU WORK HARD TO GET IT DONE.
SO, BUT ANYWAYS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS A LOT OF HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS, THEY DO NOT EVEN BUILD ANY NEW ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT THEY GOT THE LICENSE FROM US
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OR THE PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME FEE OR JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE FEE.NOW THEY'RE REVERTING BACK TO, HEY, I JUST DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
WHY DO I NEED EVEN TO TAKE THE EXAM? SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NUMBERS, I MEAN I, I THINK WE ARE WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BUT LIKE CRYSTAL SAID, THIS IS A NEW THING.
I MEAN, IF WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT IT, WE MIGHT NEED TO WAIT TILL NEXT CODE CYCLE TO LOOK AT THE DATA CLEARLY AND, AND DEFINE DID IT HELP US OR NOT? BECAUSE AGAIN, SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE TWO YEARS BASICALLY WITH THEIR LICENSE AND IT DIDN'T EXPIRE YET.
UH, JACK OVER HERE, JUST MIKE IS A LONG-TERM BUILDER.
AND WATCHING THIS, I USED TO TELL PEOPLE, THEY SAY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO BE A BUILDER? I SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FISHING LICENSE AND A CELL PHONE AND THE FISHING LICENSE IS OPTIONAL.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IF YOU GO OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF OUR LITTLE CITY, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
I MEAN, YOU GO DOWN TO RANCHES, PASS AND GO TO CITY BY THE SEA WHERE I BUILT MY HOME THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYTHING.
PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT AND IT ULTIMATELY GOES ON THE CITY ONCE YOU HAVE A CITY.
BUT BEYOND THAT, IT GOES ON ME AS A BUILDER OR YOU AS THE LANDOWNER.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY IS LIABILITY.
AND AT SOME POINT, JUST LIKE THESE HEADMASTER PLUMBERS, THEY SEND PLUMBERS OUT TO ALL THESE JOBS.
THEY ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE THE LICENSES IN THEIR NAME.
AND, AND IF, IF YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES, WHICH I DO TOO, THAT DO WORK FOR ME, THEY'RE NOT LIABLE FOR DIDLEY.
I HAVE 'EM GO DO THINGS, BUT I'M RESPONSIBLE.
IT'S ME THAT HAS TO HAVE THE TEST ME, THAT HAS TO HAVE THE LICENSE ME THAT HAS TO HAVE EVERYTHING.
AND IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT ON DIFFERENT JOBS AND TRY TO BE A CONTRACTOR, YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE TO GET A LICENSE.
BUT INTERNALLY, BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, I HAVE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS AND SPEAK WORSE ENGLISH THAN THEY DID WHEN THEY, THAN THEY'VE BEEN HERE.
I MEAN, I HAVE A DOWN SYNDROME BROTHER THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER THAN THEM, BUT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT THEY COULDN'T TAKE A TEST IF THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
AND THEY'RE NOT AS ALL BRIGHT AS, I MEAN, AS THEY, I MEAN THEY, THEY KNOW REALLY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DO, BUT I GUARANTEE THEY PAINT A BETTER HOUSE THAN YOU DO.
AND THEY PROBABLY CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T DO.
SO I THINK THERE'S, BECAUSE THEY'VE COME UP WITH THESE NEW RULES AND THIS TEST TAKING, AND I TOOK THAT OLD TEST, THANK GOD I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE SECOND TEST 'CAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD'VE FAILED IT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ADJUSTMENT THAT COULD BE MADE.
'CAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW, RIGHT? THIS TEST IS ALL NEW.
AND SO I THINK IN THAT DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S NEXT IS MAYBE A, A, A GROUND THAT SAYS, OKAY, LET'S LET'S GO TO PRACTICALITY.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE, CONFUSE YOU WITH A QUESTION LIKE THEY DO ON MOST REAL ESTATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY TELL YOU THREE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG AND TRY TO CONFUSE YOUR BRAIN INSTEAD OF JUST GOING, HEY, HOW DO YOU DO X AND LET 'EM WRITE IT DOWN.
THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MANIPULATION THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND, AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF LABOR FORCE THAT WE NEED AND THAT WE SHOULD VALUE.
AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY HAS TO BE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH INSPECTORS SLASH LEADERSHIP.
THAT'S WHY I WAS RECOMMENDING THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO, TO DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE IS FINDING OUT FROM THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TRULY IMPORTANT.
WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? AND THEN HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE IT TOGETHER? UH, WHETHER IT BE AN OPTION INSTEAD OF TAKING THE IACC THAT PERHAPS THEY TAKE SOME OF THE CLASSES THAT, UH, UM, A CITY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY DOES TO HELP.
HOW DO YOU NOT FAIL FROM THESE FRAMING IF THEY WERE ABLE TO ATTEND SUCH, SUCH SUCH CLASSES THAT COULD BE COMPARABLE TO SUCH TEST.
'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S THE END RESULT THAT WE WANT TO GET TOGETHER.
AND I, I THINK A SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE GOOD, UH, ONCE WE FINISH THE CODE CYCLE, UH, ONCE WE HAVE MORE DATA, WE CAN DIG INTO IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
MY TEAM REMINDED ME, IT'S BECAUSE I STATED ICC EXAM.
THERE IS DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE ICC EXAM.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO TAKE, WE, WE DID ADD TO THAT, UM, PART WHERE WE ALLOWED, UH, NEBS CLASSES, ARI'S CLASSES, CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS THAT, UH, UH, SOME ACCEPTED, UH, CLASSES TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LEARN FROM.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACHIEVE AS A, AS A CITY AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? IS IT FRAMING INSPECTIONS? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO TO ACHIEVE FROM HERE? AND THEN HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE HELP THAT SO THAT THE NUMBERS AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING BETTER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED MORE DATA.
WE NEED TO LOOK IN AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER WHAT CAN BE WORKABLE FOR SOMEBODY THAT COULDN'T TAKE THE TEST BUT COULD ATTEND THESE CLASSES AND LEARN, THEREFORE THEY'RE GONNA ACHIEVE A BETTER INSPECTION, UH, HISTORY.
YEAH, AND LISTEN, I, I APPRECIATE YOU ENTERTAINING MY CONCERN.
I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO GET THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
THANKS FOR COMPILING THE DATA FOR ME.
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NOT, YOU'RE NOT A FAIR STANDARD FOR THAT.SO, AND YOU, YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TESTS.
I I REMEMBER THAT 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO AND, UH, BECAUSE THEY KNEW ME, THEY, THEY TESTED THE HECK OUT OF ME.
SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO READ THROUGH THE CODE BOOKS FOR THREE WEEKS SOLID TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH.
CRYSTAL, YOU WANNA CONTINUE? I HAVE ABOUT EIGHT MORE SLIDES, UM, BUT I KNOW Y'ALL ARE SICK OF HEARING FROM ME.
UM, AND THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT WERE ADOPT AS WRITTEN, RIGHT? SO JUST A REAL QUICK SUMMARY OF, UM, OF KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF ALL OF THE CODES WE SAW.
THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES WERE REALLY A COMMON THING WITH THE CODES.
SO THE BUILDING CODE ADDED, ADDED TESTING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OCCUPANCIES TO BE OCCUPANCIES THE FACTORY INDUSTRIAL OCCUPANCIES FOR FS, THE STORAGE AND VEHICLE REPAIR GARAGES.
UM, CHAPTER FOUR, REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR STANDPIPES FOR STAGES, RIGHT? CHAPTER FOUR HAS VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR OCCUPANCIES AND USES.
AND SO THEY, THEY REMOVE THE STANDPIPE FOR STAGES, WHICH WAS GREAT.
AND ANOTHER REMOVAL WAS THE LOW LEVEL EXIT SIGNS FOR R ONES THOSE HOTELS.
SO IF YOUR HOTEL IS SPRINKLERED, WHICH IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THOSE LOW LEVEL EXIT SIGNS.
AND WE SAW A, SAW A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, UM, BASED ON A SCE SEVEN.
SO THAT WAS INCREASED SNOW LOADS, ADDED TORNADO LOADS AND SOME CHANGES TO RISK CATEGORIES.
SO KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES, NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPRINKLERS AND ALARMS FOR THOSE OCCUPANCY TYPES.
UM, THE SPRINKLERS FOR MULTIFAMILY USES WAS ACTUALLY CHANGED, UM, IN FAVOR OF THE MULTIFAMILY.
UH, IN THE 2021, WE SAW THAT THE OPTION TO UTILIZE A 13 R SYSTEM WAS LIMITED TO 30 FEET IN HEIGHT FOR THOSE R TWOS.
AND THEY, UH, EXPANDED THAT TO 45 FEET IN THIS CODE CYCLE, WHICH WILL ALLOW, UM, THOSE FOUR STORIES TO STILL UTILIZE A 13 R.
WE ADDED I ONES TO THE OCCUPANCIES THAT REQUIRE AUDIBLE ALARMS. THIS IS GREAT 'CAUSE THOSE OTHER R ONE AND R TWO OCCUPANCIES, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU THE, THE CONSISTENT, UM, OR THE, THE, THE FACTOR THAT THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING IN THOSE.
SO ADDING ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES REALLY MAKES SENSE TO REQUIRE THE AUDIBLE ALARMS. WE SAW LOTS OF CHANGES TO THE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION.
SO THOSE, THAT SECTION WAS EXPANDED TO REQUIRE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION FOR ALL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A CO SOURCE.
UM, AND LOTS OF CHANGES TO THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 12 OF THE FIRE CODE.
UH, LOTS OF UPDATES, BUT THEY'RE REALLY POINTING BACK TO NFPA 8 55.
UH, WE SAW HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS, COMMISSIONING LISTINGS, UH, RETROFITTING FIRE DETECTION AND EXPLOSION CONTROL FOR THOSE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. CHANGES TO THE IRC UH, CLARIFICATION FOR FIRE SEPARATION AND FIRE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE HOW WE DO THINGS.
THAT, UH, WAS REALLY JUST PRESCRIPTIVE METHOD TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S HOW YOU CALCULATE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE.
THIS IS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF THE SINGLE LOT WITH NUMEROUS OR, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON ONE LOT.
IT'S EASY TO MEASURE TO A LOT LINE, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT LINE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AM IMAGINARY ONE.
PEOPLE GET REAL CONFUSED WITH THAT.
UM, SOME REQUIRE OR RELAXED REQUIREMENTS FOR CEILING HEIGHTS, INHABITABLE ATTICS, UH, AND, AND EXISTING IN EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THOSE ADDED RELAXED REQUIREMENTS FOR SLEEPING LOFTS, UM, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM PROTECTION.
THAT WAS A NEW FIGURE THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT SAYS, HEY, IF THESE ARE STALL INSTALLED IN YOUR GARAGE, YOU HAVE TO, UM, PUT UP SOME IMPACT PROTECTION.
UH, VAPOR RETARDANT WENT BACK FROM THAT 10, WENT FROM THE 10 MIL BACK TO THE SIX MIL.
GREAT, UH, COST REDUCTION THERE.
AND, UM, WE SAW SOME CHANGES TO THE ROOF REPLACEMENT THAT SAID, HEY, IF YOU HAVE THAT SELF ADHERED MEMBRANE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE IT.
UH, OTHERWISE IT WOULD, THE CODE WOULD KIND OF LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE YOU DID NEED TO REMOVE IT.
SO JUST A, AN UPDATE TO SAY YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THAT FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
WE SAW INCREASED TRAVEL DISTANCES IN THE TABLES, UM, FOR THOSE REMODELED BUILDINGS, RIGHT? WE'RE IN THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
THOSE CHANGES JUST KIND OF MIMICKED WHAT
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IS ALLOWED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.UM, ALLOWANCES FOR STAIRWAYS THAT SAID, HEY, IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT, YOU DON'T NEED TO.
UM, EMERGENCY RESPONDER COMMUNICATION COVERAGE.
UH, HEY, IF YOU'RE DOING A LEVEL THREE ALTERATION, THEN YOU NEED TO TEST TO SEE IF THE BUILDING NOW REQUIRES, UM, AN EMERGENCY RESPONDER COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
FOR THE NEC, WE SAW SOME CHANGES TO, OH, THE GFCI PROTECTION.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISLAND AND PENINSULA RECEPTACLES, UH, AND THEN WE TALKED AT LINKED FOR THE NEC, UM, ONSITE DEFINITION FOR THE MECHANICAL CODE.
WE SAW CHANGES FOR THE PERMANENT LADDER REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THESE ARE REALLY JUST MATCHING UP TO OSHA.
UM, SOME RELAX REQUIREMENTS FOR EXHAUST OUTLETS AND SOME CHANGES TO THE RETURN AIR, RETURN AIR IN CLOSETS.
UH, THAT WAS REALLY, 'CAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE SO TIGHT NOW THAT IT WAS PRODUCING SOME MOISTURE ISSUES.
SO THEY UPDATED THE RETURN AIR REQUIREMENTS FOR CLOSETS PLUMBING.
WE SAW CHANGES TO THE TABLE FOR REQUIRED PLUMBING FIXTURES.
THIS REALLY JUST HELPED IDENTIFY A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT OCCUPANCY USE YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR TO DETERMINE HOW MANY PLUMBING FIXTURES ARE REQUIRED FOR YOUR USE.
SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, THOSE ELECTRICALLY, UH, HEATED AND COOLED WATER DISPENSERS AND NOW SOAP DISPENSERS ARE REQUIRED AS WELL.
UM, NEW MATERIALS FOR CHEMICAL WASTE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
UH, WE'VE JUST KIND OF BEEN WINGING IT SINCE, UH, BEFORE THIS AND CHANGES TO THE SOLVENT CEMENTING ADDING OPTIONS TO UTILIZE THE ONE STEP GLUE.
I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH A REALLY COOL PICTURE.
SO NEW OPTIONS FOR SCREEN ENCLOSURES, MESH BARRIERS, UM, ALLOWS THOSE SCREENING CLOSURES TO BE UTILIZED, UH, AS A PART OF THAT REQUIRED BARRIER.
WE TALKED ABOUT SLIP RESISTANCE AND WE WANTED TO, YOU GUYS WANTED US TO ADD A TABLE THAT WOULD HELP IDENTIFY WHAT THAT SLIP RESISTANCE RATING IS FOR EACH TYPE OF FINISH.
I KNOW WAY MORE THAN I WANT TO ABOUT SLIP RESISTANCE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO ADD BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY VARIATIONS OF A FINISH, A BROOM FINISH.
IS IT GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL OR NOT? HAS DIFFERENT SLIP RESISTANCE COEFFICIENTS.
REREAD THE CODE AND IT SAYS WHERE THE SURFACES ARE EVALUATED FOR SLIP RESISTANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO BE EVALUATED FOR SLIP RESISTANCE IN THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED.
SO IT SAYS, HEY, THAT THESE SURFACES SHALL BE SLIP RESISTANT.
I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COPING, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU STILL WANT US TO REMOVE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE, UM, 2021 CODE LANGUAGE ORIGINALLY.
SO HOW IS THE CITY GOING TO INTERPRET? SO WE'RE DOING A POOL WITH A CONCRETE SURROUND.
ARE YOU GONNA BE ASKING FOR SLIP RESISTANCE, THAT CONCRETE, THE COPING, OR CAN THEY BUILD AS IS? SO WE HAVE NOT WITH THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN BLACK, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SLIP RESISTANCE.
UM, IT IS JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND, AND AFTER HOURS, I WON'T EVEN TELL YOU OF RESEARCHING HOW WE CAN PROVIDE THIS TABLE.
I REREAD THE CODE AND IT JUST SAYS WHERE THEY ARE EVALUATED.
IT DOESN'T SAY THEY SHALL BE EVALUATED.
IT DOESN'T SAY, OH, FOR, SO FOR OUR CITY PEOPLE.
SO IF THEY PULL A PERMIT OR SOMEBODY PULLS A PERMIT AND WE ARE DOING A POOL WITH A SMOOTH COPING AND REGULAR CONCRETE, UM, THE CITY'S NOT GOING TO INTERPRET NEEDING SLIP RESISTANT TO WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF A COATING OR SOMETHING ON THERE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY NOT, UM, ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION.
AND THIS ADDED LANGUAGE WOULD NOT PROMPT US TO REQUEST THAT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU BUILD THE POOL AND SOMEBODY SLIPS AND THAT IS IN THE CODE THE WAY IT IS, YOU ARE, YOUR COMPANY IS LIABLE FOR NOT MAKING IT.
SO FOR COMMERCIAL WISE, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL TYPE OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT, BUT A RESIDENTIAL.
BUT EVEN A RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GET SOMEONE GETS HURT, YOU'RE STILL LIABLE LIKE WHAT JACK HAS SAID.
BUT, BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY'S CONCERNED, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF COATING.
AND THEN AS FAR AS A CONTRACTOR,
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WE'RE NOT LIABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, BUILT AND INSTALLED IT ACCORDING TO THE CODE, UM, THAT YOU'RE LIABLE AS THE BUILDER OF THE POOL TO COMPLY WITH THE RULES.AND THIS, IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT READS NOW, WHETHER THEY ENFORCE IT OR THEY DON'T ENFORCE IT, YOUR COMPANY, I SLIP, I HIT MY HEAD.
YOU'RE LIABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YEAH.
WHAT I DID BEFORE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I READ IT, INTERPRETED THE CODE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THE CITY CHECKS IT OR DOESN'T CHECK IT, IF IT SAYS IT THE WAY IT SAYS IN THE THING, SHELBY, THE SHELBY IS WHAT GOT ME WHEN I, WHEN I SEE YOU, SHELBY, AND WE AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHO OWNS THE POOL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, ARE GOING TO BE LIABLE.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE JUST CONSIDER TAKING THIS WHOLE, THAT WHOLE THING OUT.
WHAT, WHAT WHOLE THING OUT? CAN YOU CLARIFY? 3 0 6 0.2 COMPLETELY SLIP, SLIP RESISTANT, OR THE VERBIAGE SHALL BE JUST THE BLUE, THE ADDITIONS OR THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.
WELL, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS NOBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT SLIP RESISTANT MEANS.
WELL, IT HAS THE, THE TABLE, BUT IT'S, BUT IF, IF THE CITY CAN'T GO MAKE A TABLE THAT SAYS THIS, YOU KNOW, SO ARE WE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KNOWING WHICH WAY THE BROOM FINISH IS DONE AGAINST THE WALKING OR NOT? BECAUSE I GUARANTEE, AS YOU CURRENTLY ARE, YES, SOME EXPERT IS GOING TO TESTIFY IN COURT THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THAT TEST.
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S A BIG LIABILITY TRAP.
I, UM, SPEAK, UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE REMOVING THE SLIP RESISTANT REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER.
I MEAN, THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, WE ARE NOT GOING IN AND DOING THE, UH, THE PENDULUMS SLIP RATING TEST TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SLIP RESISTANCE IS.
IT JUST CLEARLY STATES THAT THEY SHALL BE SLIP RESISTANT.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE BOARD, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO DEFINE, UM, CAN WE ADD A, RATHER THAN ADDING NECESSARILY A TABLE, CAN WE JUST IN THE CODE SAY THAT THE FOLLOWING FINISHES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SLIP RESISTANT AND LIST FIVE OR SIX THAT ARE OKAY AND TAKE OUT THE TESTING REQUIREMENT.
AND AS WELL AS I THINK THAT WE VOTED TO TAKE OUT COPING BECAUSE THAT IS NEVER SLIP RESISTANT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS A NICE PRETTY SMOOTH FINISH THING, EXCEPT IN THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT, THAT COPING, I LOOKED AT, UH, AGAIN, IN MY RESEARCH, LOOKED AT MANY HOME, UH, MANY, UH, POOL INSTALLERS, UH, THROUGH THE GALLERIES, ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES, AND NEVER SAW THAT SMOOTH COPING FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, THIS WOULD APPLY TO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL POOL.
AND THIS LANGUAGE IS NOT CHANGING.
OH, WE CAN, MAN, WE CAN ADD AN ADDEND ADDENDUM TO IT.
I, I'M, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT.
LIKE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT LIKE IT HAS
JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I NEED A GAVEL UP HERE.
THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT CHANGING.
UH, NOR ARE, HAS OUR ENFORCEMENT CHANGED AFTER REVIEWING THIS? UM, THAT, THAT THOSE SURFACES SHALL STILL BE SLIP RESISTANT? IT IS VAGUE.
UM, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE ADDING A TABLE BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE, HOW THE FINISH IS APPLIED, RIGHT? MAYBE IT'S THE, A DEPTH OF FINISH.
THESE TEST REPORTS THAT I REVIEWED WERE SO VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE INSTALLATION, THE CLEANING OF IT BEFORE THE TEST.
IT WAS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, A FINISH IS SPECIFIC TO HOW IT'S INSTALLED, BUT THERE'S NOT A POOL COMPANY OUT THERE BUILDING A POOL THAT DOES ANY OF THAT TESTING ANYWHERE AROUND THE POOL TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH A CODE EVER.
THE ONLY TIME THAT TESTING IS DONE IS SOMEBODY SLIPS, HITS THEIR HEAD AND THE TRIAL LAWYER COMPANY HIRES AN EXPERT TO GO TEST THE POOL, TEST THE SURFACE.
AND SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, IF WE CAN SAY THE FOLLOWING SURFACES, ACTUALLY, THERE'S BRIAN SMITH.
I, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I I, WE CAN DO THE COPING.
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I DON'T THINK THE COPING CAN BE REALLY ADEQUATELY DONE, WHETHER IT IS IN COMMERCIAL OR IS IN RESIDENTIAL.I'M OKAY WITH THE SLIP RESISTANCE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I BUILD POOLS.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO BUILDS POOLS THAT EITHER DOESN'T DO A BREWING FINISH, UH, COOL DECK STAMP AND STAIN SOMETHING THAT IT IS SLIP RESISTANT THAT HAS THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
UM, BUT THE COPING, I THINK IS A, A, THERE'S SO MANY THAT ARE DONE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE COULD JUST, JUST AS EASILY, INSTEAD OF GETTING ON ALL THESE TABLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, MAKE AN ADDENDUM OR JUST REMOVE THE WORD COPING JACK UP MORE HERE AND, AND JUST TRYING TO PUT A VOICE OF REASON.
BUT AT SOME POINT, JUST LIKE, UH, THE VALUE OF A PROPERTY IS, IS DETERMINED BY THE WILLINGNESS OF THE BUYER AND THE WILLINGNESS OF THE SELLER TO AGREE ON A PRICE.
THE SAME THING GOES HERE THAT IT ALMOST SHOULD BE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS VAGUE LITTLE STATEMENT AT THE END.
AND THEN ALL THE, THE BLUE STUFF THAT MAKE GIVES ME A HEADACHE IS SLIP RESISTANT AND CLEANABLE AS AGREED BY THE OWNER AND THE POOL CONTRACTOR.
WHY'D YOU DO IT THAT WAY? BECAUSE WE AGREED THAT THIS WAS SLIP RESISTANT, THOSE TWO PARTIES THAT BOUGHT IT AND PAID FOR IT AND BUILT IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LANE THAT, THAT'S JUST A VERY VAGUE LANGUAGE.
COULD MEAN ANYTHING, ANYTHING.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA, I THINK, I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, I THINK YOU TAKE OUT THE WORD COPING AND YOU GET RID OF EVERYTHING IN BLUE THAT GIVES THE TEST THAT NOBODY IS TESTING FOR.
THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON OUT THERE THAT PERFORMS THAT TEST.
AND, AND IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHECK THAT IT'S RIGHT, WHICH I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS OFFERING TO DO THOSE TESTS TO FIND OUT IF IT'S RIGHT OR NOT.
I THINK YOU TAKE OUT THE WORD COPING, I THINK YOU LEAVE IT SLIP RESISTANT AND CLEANABLE, AND YOU GET RID OF A STANDARD THAT NOBODY KNOWS UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY WHAT THAT MEANS.
UN UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM.
WELL, NO, UNFORTUNATELY, I LIKE STANDARDS.
I I LIKE THE DEFINE ABILITY, BUT I, IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I, I, BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
WHO, WHO'S GONNA DO THE TESTING? WHY CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND DO? UM, I DON'T LIKE THE GENERAL LANGUAGE OF SLIP RESISTANT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW FOR A FACT THE COPING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE AND CAN BE DONE.
UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING OKAY, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH STRIKING OUT COPING AND THE BLUE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT WAS ADDED IN THE 24.
YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? CRYSTAL? I JUST WANNA JUMP IN AGAIN.
REMEMBER, ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE.
SO CO COPING, UH, ISN'T THAT THE EDGE AROUND THE POOL? SO IF SOMEBODY'S SWIMMING AND THEY WANT TO GET OUT, YOU ALWAYS WANT THAT TO BE SLIP RESISTANCE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A RESIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MY POOLS DO NOT.
THEY'RE ALL, THEN YOU ARE DOING IT TRA THEY'RE TRAVERTINE OR VERY NICE CONTEMPORARY POOLS.
BUT YOUR RESIDENTIAL POOLS USE LOGIC.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, IF YOU'RE AT THE PARADE TO HOMES THIS WEEK, THIS WEEK RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING ON, THOSE POOLS ARE ALL SMOOTH, THEY'RE ALL TRAVERTINE, THEY'RE SMOOTH STONE AS FAR AS THE COPING, IT'S A VERY CLEAN LOOK.
UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT.
THEY'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THE FLAGSTONE, UH, WHICH DID HAVE A SLIP RESISTANT.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MEET WHAT PEOPLE WANT, BUT ALSO TRY TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE, WHICH IS YOUR OUTSIDE SLIP RESISTANCE.
SO IT'S KIND OF MEETING BOTH, BOTH, BOTH WAYS.
SO, OKAY, SO LET, LET, LET ME START WITH POSITIVE.
SO THE, THE EVERYTHING IN BLUE YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
NOW, THE COPING, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, AT LEAST SHOULD WE PUT THAT IN TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS? SO IF IT'S COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC POOL, WE NEED THE CO COPING TO BE SLIP RESISTANCE.
BUT FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN, AS YOU SAID, IF IF THE OWNER WANTS IT TO BE SMOOTH OR PUT A MIRROR THERE, I DON'T CARE.
I MEAN, ACTUALLY THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
AGAIN, FROM, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PUBLIC POLICY AND FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE.
SO I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, UH, AN OWNER IS JUST RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM IN HERE AS COMMERCIAL, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC.
SO THEREFORE WE HAVE TO BE ABOVE WHAT WOULD BE NORMAL FOR A PARTICULAR PERSON.
SO I, I WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AS LONG AS THE CITY IS GOING TO INSPECT THAT ON COMMERCIAL POOLS, THAT WHEN THE PLAN COMES IN, IT HAS TO IDENTIFY THAT IT'S A SLIP RESISTANT BECAUSE, WELL, FIVE, BECAUSE WE'RE THE CU WE'RE, WE'RE THE UNSUSPECTING
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CUSTOMER THAT ENDS UP WITH A POOL AND IT'S JUST NOT OKAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT'S NOT BUILT ACCORDING TO THE CODE THAT YOU SAID.THIS ROBERT HANLEY, CAN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UH, FOR, FOR ME BACKGROUND, WHAT IS THE ISSUE? BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, THE FIRST PLACE, PLACE THEY COME, WHETHER IT'S MEDIA OR THE COMPLAINANT IS RIGHT HERE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE RUNNING INTO ABOUT THIS SUBJECT MATTER? NONE.
NO, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES.
SO, UH, CAN WE MAKE THAT CHANGE ON THERE AND THEN WHEN WE MEET NEXT WEEK, WE CAN REVIEW IT? YES.
SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS FOR THE COLORS AND FINISHES.
SO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR COLORS AND FINISHES WAS REVISED TO BE NOT LESS THAN 6.5.
UM, WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS SCALE? UH, TO NOT LESS THAN EIGHT ON THE MUNSELL GRAY SCALE.
SO, UH, STAFF FOUND THIS REALLY COOL PICTURE THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS.
AND AGAIN, READING THE CODE, UH, WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE LIKE TO HAVE A VARI VARIATION OF COLOR OPTIONS.
AND THIS, UH, SECTION IS FOR OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL POOLS AND SPAS.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, UH, UH, READ THE CODE.
SO IF WE ARE GOOD WITH THESE COLORS AND FINISHES OF, WHAT DID THEY CALL 'EM? WHITE OR LIGHT COLORED FINISHES, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL POOLS, THEN WE CAN KEEP THIS LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN.
UM, JEREMY, CAN YOU BRING UP THAT SECTION ON THE COLORS AND FINISHES, JUST SO EVERYBODY SEES THAT FINE WITH THAT MARK? YEAH, I, I MEAN, MOST APARTMENT POOLS AND COMMERCIAL ARE GONNA BE RIGHT THERE, WHITE OR THERE.
OKAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING EVERYTHING ON THAT COLOR CHART IS MEETS THE CODE OR JUST RESIDENTIAL? FOR RESIDENTIAL? FOR RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING THE BLACK AND THE BLACK STOCK.
IT, IT SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE AT THAT EIGHT OR ABOVE.
OKAY, SO THE EIGHT, NINE OR 10 10 PUT, YEAH.
SO RIGHT WHERE THAT ARROW IS AT THE, IS IT THE BOTTOM OF THE EIGHT? UM, SO THAT BRIAN SMITH, WE MADE THAT CHANGE MARK SO THAT WE SAID A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL POOL PEOPLE ARE WANTING THE BLUES AND THE TONES INTO THE POOLS.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE FROM THAT SINCE IT'S STILL LIGHT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM WAS A ADDED STANDARD FOR ELEVATED POOLS.
AND THE LAST ITEM WAS, UH, DRESSING AND SANITARY FACILITIES.
SO THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR BAYLOR BATHERS TO ACCESS.
UM, AND THEY ADDED AN EXCEPTION FOR CLASS C, SEMI-PUBLIC POOLS, WHICH IS FOR HOTELS, MOTELS, AND APARTMENTS.
SO, UH, THAT EXEMPTION SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE SHOWER AND DRESSING FACILITIES IN THOSE USES.
UM, SO ONCE WE ARE FINISHED HERE, WE HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS SET UP.
WE ARE GETTING THE COMMUNICATION OUT FOR THOSE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WANNA SAY, HEY, PUBLIC, HERE'S, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE 2024 CODES.
UH, WE ARE ON THE BOOKS FOR DECEMBER 13TH TO PRESENT THESE CHANGES TO PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND HOPEFULLY TAKING THAT MOVING FORWARD FROM PCDC TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
WE'LL SPEND, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THAT TRAINING OUR STAFF, UM, THE PUBLIC CONTRACTORS BUILDERS.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE SOME TRAINING LINED UP ON THE BOOKS WITH, UM, THE HOME BUILDERS AND LOOKING TO STILL BE ON TRACK TO IMPLEMENT THE CODES APRIL 1ST.
SO ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED IN JANUARY.
WE'RE GETTING ALL THE MESSAGING OUT THAT, UH, THAT'S YOUR GRACE PERIOD, THAT JANUARY TO APRIL ONE, AND THEN ANYTHING SUBMITTED ON OR AFTER APRIL 1ST, IT, UH, SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE 2024 CODES.
I GOT A, THIS IS, OH, THAT'S SCOTT.
YES, SCOTT, CAN WE GO BACK TO, WAY BACK TO NUMBER TWO? UM, NUMBER 12, IT'S ENERGY EFFICIENT INSPECTIONS.
SO THE, THE TESTING REQUIREMENTS, IS THIS SOMETHING NEW OR IS
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THIS SOMETHING OH, RIGHT THERE.YOU WERE THERE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR, THE ENERGY SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT? ENERGY EFFICIENT INSPECTIONS? OH, NUMBER TWO.
UM, THE, THE UNDERLYING TEXT THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR HANDOUT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO ADD.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS ON THE FORMS THAT ARE SUBMITTED FOR, UH, TO CLEAR THOSE ENERGY INSPECTIONS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO ADD IT HERE IN THIS SECTION.
SO WE'RE ALREADY ASKING FOR THESE TO BE SUBMITTED PRIOR, UH, TO WHEN WE CLEARED THOSE, UH, ENERGY INSPECTIONS.
SO WHO'S, WHO'S SUBMITTING THEM? THE, THE BUILDERS SUBMITTING THESE, THESE TEST RESULTS.
SO IT CAN BE THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL INSTALLING CONTRACTOR, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE SUBMITTAL IS FOR WHAT EQUIPMENT.
SO WE, WE DO PERMIT THE, UH, DESIGN PROFESSIONAL OR INSTALLING CONTRACTOR TO SUBMIT THOSE.
IS THERE A FORM OR IS IT, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF VAGUE OF WHAT WE'RE TURNING IN RESIDENTIAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM OR, YEAH, BUT IT SAYS PERFORMANCE TESTING.
IT COULD BE YOUR HVAC DOOR, A DOOR BLOWER TEST AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY TESTING THE, UH, PRESSURES.
THIS IS JEN AND YOUR, AND YOUR ENERGY WILL BE A RES CHECK WHEN YOU, YOU GET IN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE U FACTOR, SOLAR HEAT GAIN COEFFICIENTS.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA CHECK, UH, NORTH SOUTH WHERE THE, UH, ORIENTATION, UH, IT GIVES YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT WOULD GO INTO THE ENVELOPE.
YEAH, WE'RE DOING THAT NOW THOUGH.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE ARE, UM, BRIAN'S IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE DIFFERENT.
LIKE THAT'S, WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THE REST CHECK DURING SUBMITTAL.
SO, UM, DURING INSPECTION IS WHEN YOU SUBMIT THAT IB 1 67 THAT SAYS, YES, WE, WE PUT IN THIS INSTALLATION.
YES, WE DID PUT IN THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE THIS SOLAR HEAT GAIN COEFFICIENT.
UM, YES, OUR MECHANICAL SYSTEMS HAVE THIS EFFICIENCY, SO YOU'RE KIND OF CHECKING ALL OF THAT.
HI, THIS IS JASMINE ROA, UH, SUPERVISOR OVER THE ENERGY REVIEW TEAM.
SO YES, WE HAVE REVAMPED BOTH FOR COMMERCIAL AND FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THE, UH, INFORMATION BULLETINS FOR COMMERCIAL THAT IB 2 21 IS ALREADY LIVE AND UPDATED AND ALL OF THOSE FORMS AND DIRECTIONS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT IB AND FOR RESIDENTIAL, THAT IB 1 67.
UM, WE ARE ALSO UPDATING THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC AND DESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT GO LIVE DECEMBER 1ST.
UH, BUT AGAIN, AS FAR AS, UH, ADDING THESE INTO OUR CHAPTER 10, IT'S JUST A, AGAIN, TO GIVE THOSE CUSTOMERS MORE, UM, MAKE THEM AWARE AHEAD OF TIME, UH, BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT, UH, CLOSEOUT STAGE.
WE DO THE REVIEW, UM, AT THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN THIS WAY THEY CAN BE PREPARED TO WHAT, TO TURN IN WHEN THEY'RE GETTING READY TO CLOSE UP THE CONSTRUCTION.
DO WE MAYBE, DO WE HAVE SOME SAMPLE TEST REPORTS THAT MAYBE WE COULD ADD AT THE END OF THAT IB? 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT SCOTT'S SAYING.
LIKE WHAT? YEAH, THIS, WHAT DOES THIS REPORT LOOK LIKE? THIS IS NEW ME TOO.
SO I, I'M NOW, I'M NOW UP TO SPEED WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE DIDN'T COVER THIS IN ANYTHING WE WERE TALKING EARLIER.
UM, THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THAT ON YOUR HANDOUT.
AS WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THIS.
UM, AGAIN, WE ARE REQUIRING IT AS PART OF OUR, UM, SIGN-OFFS ON THOSE FORMS. I MEAN, IT'S ON THE FORMS. IT'S JUST, UH, WE WERE ADDING IT HERE TO SAY, HEY, THESE, THESE ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, UM, TO CLEAR THOSE ENERGY INSPECTIONS.
JACK UP MORE HERE WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, YOU KNOW, YOU REPRESENT THE ENERGY, BUT IS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FINISH OUT A HOUSE AFTER THE GRUELING PROCESS THAT IT IS, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS, NOT JUST YOURS, BUT THEN IT'S THEIRS AND THEIRS AND THEIRS AND EVERY, EVERY ENTITY HAS THEIR OWN FINAL LITTLE INSPECTIONS.
LIKE DID YOU GET THE PRESSURE TEST ON THE WATER? WHAT'S THE PSI YOU CAN'T CLOSE OUT.
SO THE HOMEOWNER MOVES IN, THEY GET TO, YOU GET TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL FOR A MONTH WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THAT TEST.
IS THERE ONE SHEET THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AS A CITY THAT HAS ONE FROM BEGINNING TO END OF A CHECKLIST THAT WE COULD CHECK OFF TO COMPLETE THIS HOUSE FROM BEGINNING TO END, EVERY ONE THAT A HOMEOWNER OR A BUILDER COULD CHECK OFF AND NOT HAVE, HAVE TO GO TO THIS DEPARTMENT AND THAT DEPARTMENT, THIS DEPARTMENT, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND JUST HAVE ONE CHECKOFF CITY REQUIRED CHECKOFF FOR, FOR COMPLETION TO GET OUR FINAL INSPECTION.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.
BUT YOU DON'T, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, YOU DON'T JUST ONE SHEET WITH IT ALL ON THERE SO WE CAN SAY GOT IT,
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GOT IT.LIKE THE LIST OF REQUIRED INSPECTIONS THAT THE CITY REQUIRES TO, TO LET SOMEBODY MOVE IN THEIR HOUSE.
UH, YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR C OF O, THOSE PROCESSES WILL, UH, UH, COME INTO EFFECT AND BE CHECKED OFF BEFORE YOU CAN FINISH YOUR ELECTRICAL, YOUR, UH, PLUMBING, YOUR, UH, HVAC, YOUR BUILDING THE WHOLE NINE YARDS WORDS.
YEAH, WE, UM, IT THAT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST YOUR LIST OF OPEN PENDING INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? HEY, YOU NEED YOUR FRAME INSPECTION.
YOU NEED YOUR FINAL, YOU NEED YOUR ELECTRICAL ROUGHIN, YOU NEED YOUR FINAL, YOU NEED YOUR MECHANICAL ROUGHIN.
SO WE HAVE A, UM, PENDING INSPECTION, UH, REPORT THAT YOU CAN RUN FOR ANY PERMIT.
UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON A CHECKLIST THAT SAYS THESE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL OR, UH, NEW COMMERCIAL, UH, WHILE WE'RE AT IT.
RIGHT? BUT YOU'VE HAD, LIKE FOR THE FRAMING, YOU'VE ADDED THREE MORE JUST ON THESE INSPECTIONS.
THREE MORE, YOU KNOW, BRACING AND ALL SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL.
IT'S JUST A LOT OF, IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST AND TRY TO KEEP UP WITH WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO GO TO INDIVIDUALIZED AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO TO THE PLUMBER AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO TO THE ELECTRICIAN AND MAKE SURE HE DID HIS THREE.
IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE ONE CHECKOFF LIST AS WELL AS OTHER QUASI CITY AGENCIES THAT HAVE TO CHECK SOMETHING OFF TO BE ABLE TO GET THE WATER TURNED INTO THEIR NAME OR THE ELECTRIC TURNED INTO THEIR NAME.
BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE BUILDER WOULD LIKE OUT OF IT.
IS WHAT PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL.
YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILL.
YOU HAVE TEMPORARY SERVICE ON.
AND IF YOU NEED TO DO SOME KIND OF OTHER TEST, IT SHOULD BE TO GET YOUR C OF O YOU SHOULD MAYBE HAVE TO GET ALL OF THEM BEFORE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THAT SO THAT IT'S ALL FINISHED ENERGY.
WHY ARE WE HAVING ALL OF THIS? THIS IS WHAT WAS COVERED IN RESCHECK ALREADY.
WHY ARE WE HAVING TO GO BACK THROUGH IT AGAIN AND, AND RESUBMITTAL AND REDO RECHECK.
SO I KNOW THIS IS, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT YOU FACTORS, I MEAN THERE, IT'S SOME REPETITIVE STUFF.
SO IT'S JUST, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN HERE.
IT'S JUST, I'M JUST, SO THIS IS TO CLEAR THE INSPECTION AND THIS IS THAT FORM THAT WE HAVE PREPARED THAT SAYS, YES, WE PUT IN R 38 IN THE ROOF.
WE PUT IN R 19 WHAT WE TOLD YOU ON OUR RES CHECK THAT WE WERE GONNA PUT IN R 19 IN THESE WALLS.
HERE'S OUR CERTIFICATION, HERE'S OUR REPORT.
BUT, BUT, BUT SOME OF THESE, YOU CAN'T EVEN DO IT IN THE VERY END BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW SOME OF THE FAN REQUIREMENTS AND, AND THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
'CAUSE SOME OF THOSE AREN'T INSTALLED AT THE VERY END FOR APPLIANCES AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN CHECK FOR THAT.
SO NONE OF THIS CAN BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME.
SO AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO YOUR CFO HOW LONG IT TAKES BECAUSE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION YOU MAY NOT HAVE UNTIL THE VERY END AND THEN TRYING TO GET IT AND MIDDLE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BECAUSE THE MAIN THINGS WHAT WE WANT IS THE RES CHECK WITH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS TO BE ABLE TO REACH CERTAIN THINGS TO DO WITH THE ENVELOPE AND DO IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A DUCT LOWER TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S DONE RIGHT.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE THAT SEEMS REPETITIVE AND JUST WONDERING WHY WE NEED IT FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT.
I UNDERSTAND, ROBERT, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, WE HAVE ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, BUT FROM A RESIDENTIAL, UM, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE, UM, OVERBLOWN.
IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, I GUESS THE PROCESS IS FOR ENERGY STAR? 'CAUSE WE TURN IN FINAL DOCUMENTS FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO WE MIGHT CALL IT ENERGY FINAL.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE DOCUMENTS IN THAT IB, UH, FILLING OUT WHAT, WHAT WAS TESTED, UH, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOUR THIRD PARTY COMMISSIONING AGENT, UM, THE SAME, UH, COMPANY THAT DOES YOUR BLOWER DOOR TEST.
IT'S GONNA BE THEIR PRINTOUT OF THEIR REPORTS.
IT'S JUST, I GUESS IT'S JUST CLARIFYING EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO HAVE, BUT YES, BUT YOU GOT A LIGHTING FIXTURE SCHEDULE IN HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR CUSTOM HOMES.
THIS IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS, MOVING PARTS THAT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS NEEDED AND WHY.
WELL, IT'S THAT FINAL REPORT, THAT'S THE FINAL ENERGY REPORT THAT THE, THAT THE ENERGY RATER GENERALLY FINALIZES.
I'M JUST, THIS IS GETTING MORE COMMERCIAL WISE.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING INSTEAD OF WHAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
I, THIS IS JOE EL I DON'T DISAGREE, BRIAN, BUT, UM, RESCHECK DIDN'T ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS.
I'VE DONE RESIDENT, UM, I MEAN, UH, RESCHECK, BUT RESIDENT DOES,
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GIVES YOU THE WINDOWS, GIVES YOU THE WATER RATIO, GIVES YOU THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, AND IT'S A DOCUMENT YOU SUBMIT IN THE BEGINNING.AND THIS IS A VERIFICATION OF THAT WE DID.
AND WE SUBMIT THE MANUAL JANE TO MANUAL S YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL BILLED, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN YOUR HOUSE.
US AS CUSTOM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S USUALLY SOMETIMES LAST MINUTE WHEN I FINALLY GET A CUSTOMER TO MAKE A SELECTION AT THE END AND TRY TO ORGANIZE IT AND TRY TO GET ALL THAT INFORMATION, PUT IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND THEN GET IT SUBMITTED WHILE I'M TRYING TO CLOSE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A CLOSING DATE.
I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT AWAY.
I, IT IT'S JUST MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR US THAT ARE CUSTOMS THAT ARE THAN SOMEBODY THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS FOR PLANNED WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES.
UM, I WISH ALL OF 'EM WOULD BE THAT WAY.
SO I, I JUST, I I, I JUST SEE SOME ISSUES HERE.
SO IT GETS BACK TO WHAT, WHAT, UH, JACK WAS SAYING.
I I SEE SOME CLOSINGS BEING DELAYED FOR THIS.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT CHANGING WHAT IS EXPECTED.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT LONG LIST OF ITEMS? YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT'S SUBMITTED AT PLAN REVIEW.
THOSE WERE TAKING FROM THE COMMERCIAL SECTIONS.
LOOK ON THE BACK OF THAT PAGE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INSPECTIONS, RIGHT SCOTT? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M LOOKING UP FRONT, SO I'M OKAY.
I WAS, THIS LOOKS LIKE WHERE I NEED TO DO IT AGAIN AND HAVE IT DONE.
AND I NEED TO KNOW A LIGHTING FIXTURE SCHEDULE WITH WATTAGE AND CONTROL NARRATIVE.
THESE, THESE ARE, AND I DIDN'T GET THAT SELECTED, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS UNTIL I'M GETTING READY TO CLOSE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FINALLY MAKE UP THE DECISION.
THAT, THAT FIRST PAGE THAT HAS OUR EMBLEM ON IT, THAT THOSE ARE SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS.
SO I I SEE WHERE YOU WERE, ARE COMING FROM NOW.
I, I'M, I'M THINKING DOCUMENTS THIS BEFORE CFO AND I HAD TO HAVE, REDO ALL OF THIS AND REFIRE ALL THE INFORMATION.
NOW IT'S, IT'S SUBMITTAL I'M FINE WITH.
SO THAT NUMBER SEVEN FOR ENERGY COMPLIANCE, THOSE ARE SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SO I THINK SCOTT WAS REFERENCING THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, SCOTT.
SO WE WILL LOOK TO PUT SOME, UH, SAMPLE TEST REPORTS, UH, AT THE END OF THE INFORMATIONAL BULLETIN.
SO, UM, SO IT'LL GIVE SOME MORE GUIDANCE ON WHAT, WHAT WOULD A TEST REPORT LOOK LIKE? OKAY.
I, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT REPORT TO FILL OUT.
OR, OR WHO'S GONNA SUBMIT IT IF, IF, IF WE'RE DOING THAT.
JACK, I GOT ONE, UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, GO AHEAD, MIKE.
UM, LIKE, UH, WE TYPICALLY AS TRE GROUPS WILL SUBMIT, UH, LETTERS SUPPORTING THE PROCESS WHEN IT GOES TO PCDC AND COUNCIL IS, IF YOU CAN JUST FOR NEXT WEEK, GIVE US A DATE ON WHEN YOU WANT THOSE, UM, SO WE CAN START WORKING WITH OUR TRADE GROUPS TO GET 'EM OUT.
UM, IF THERE IS, UM, ANY LOBBYING OR CHANGES THAT THAT PCDC OR PRESENTED AT PCDC OR YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PLAN TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE? UM, IN PA IN PAST YEARS, SOMETIMES IT'S GOTTEN TO THE COUNCIL AND THERE'S BEEN LIKE BACKDOOR LOBBYING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE PUT IN GETS KIND OF CHANGED AT THE END.
AND SO JUST, AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW MAYBE FOR NEXT WEEK, JUST WHAT'S THE PLAN IF, IF THERE IS SOME CHANGES THAT GET PRESENTED AT PCDC BY, UH, OR, OR EVEN THE COUNCIL.
LIKE WHAT'S OUR ROLE IN THAT? AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, AND AGAIN, NOT TO BE NECESSARILY ANSWERED TODAY, BUT, UM, THERE, IN THE PROGRAM APPLICATION THAT THE CITY PUT OUT, IT TALKED ABOUT MAKING UNIVERSAL DESIGN, UH, UNIVERSAL AND NOT JUST, UH, AS IT IS EXISTS NOW FOR ONE AND TWO, UH, FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT ARE, THAT RECEIVE CITY FUNDS.
I THINK THERE'S, SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN APPETITE OF MAKING THAT A CITYWIDE THING.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT, YOU KNOW, EVERY, ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE JUST DONE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS? HOW DO THEY INTERACT WITH THE CODE? HOW'S THAT GONNA BE INSPECTED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, 'CAUSE UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN APPETITE IN THE CITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
AND CRYSTAL, TO ADD ON TO THAT, IF THEY'RE GONNA RECOMMEND CHANGES, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
NOT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, BUT I THINK WE AS A BOARD SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN WITH A BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE'RE SETTING UP A SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T COMING HERE TO PRESENT WHAT THEY WANT AND US TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
THEY'RE JUST CAN GO AROUND THE PROCESS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD PROCESS.
AND SO IF THEY CAN MAKE IT WHERE AFTER PCDC, IF THERE'S MAJOR CHANGES FOR US TO JUST AT LEAST HAVE A MEETING AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND BE ABLE, IF WE WISH TO WEIGH IN TO
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SAY, OUR BOARD RECOMMENDS YOU NOT MAKE THIS CHANGE, WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I THINK IT JUST SETS A BAD PRECEDENT ON THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN.AND WE DID HAVE, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED, AND WE ASKED, UH, SEVERAL FOLKS TO COME AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, UM, OF THE INDUSTRY TO, UH, TO GIVE THOSE, THO THOSE COMMENTS, UM, IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WHEN THE TIME CAME.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY KEEP THAT IN MIND IF THERE ARE SOME RECOM RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM PCDC.
WE'LL, WE'LL WANNA BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU GUYS TO, UM, TO SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE.
AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY HAVE THE FINAL SAY, BUT THAT WE, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS COME AND, AND SPEAK FOR THE INDUSTRY, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT PROPOSED CHANGE WAS.
UH, REAL QUICK IN RESPONSE TO MIKE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE CERT, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT, UH, I'LL BE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL.
I WAS GONNA SEND IT OUT TO ALL OUR POINTS OF CONTACT FOR EACH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UH, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS OR LETTER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH POSITION.
BUT I'LL COPY Y'ALL AS WELL ON THAT.
SO YOU'RE PART OF THAT AND Y'ALL CAN HELP KIND OF DRIVE THAT, UH, INITIATIVE.
UH, BUT YEAH, WHETHER IT COMES FROM, YOU KNOW, YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER OR YOU AS A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND I'LL ALSO ADD A KIND OF A DRAFT OR KIND OF SOME VERBIAGE THAT WE ACCEPTED OR HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, UH, TYPE THING.
BUT I'LL GET THAT OUT EARLY NEXT WEEK.
SO THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE THAT DOES SHOW TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE AND TO COUNCIL THAT THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, AN EFFORT WHERE WE TOOK OUR STAKEHOLDERS CONSIDERATIONS, UM, AND TO ACCOUNT AND, AND, AND REALLY JUSTIFIES ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
UH, CRYSTAL AND JEREMY, UH, ARE, ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT WAS IT.
I WAS JUST GONNA DO A QUICK SUMMARY SO WE'RE KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE AND IF Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION OFF OF THAT.
UH, BUT WHAT, I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS AND SOME OF REMINDER MORE JUST KIND OF SHOW REAL QUICK, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DOCUMENT IT ALL.
UH, SO THE PLUMBING SUPERVISION, JUST SHOWING WHAT LANGUAGE THAT WE COME UP WITH.
UH, THE COPING FOR THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, UH, AND MAKING THAT FOR COMMERCIAL ONLY.
UH, THE REQUIREMENT, UH, WE ALSO ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING ON THE WILDLAND INTERFACE, UH, CODE, UH, THROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THAT, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TASK GROUP.
I, I, I RAN IT BY, UH, I MEAN REAL FAST.
WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE IS RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE A CERTIFICATION AND THERE'S ICC CERTIFICATION, R CERTIFICATION APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
WE'RE GONNA MODIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, THAT KIND OF WORKS ON THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL FOR THAT IF, IF IT REQUIRES SOMETHING BESIDES CERTIFICATION, BUT WE KIND OF ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL LIKES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR IT.
SO WE WANT TO KIND OF MAKE THIS KIND OF A BROAD THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL JUST TO MAKE THAT CHANGE SO WE CAN BE ACTIVE ON IT AND NOT WAIT TWO YEARS ON IT.
SO, WE'LL, I'LL, I'LL WORDSMITH SOMETHING PRESENT THAT NEXT WEEK OF KIND OF OPENING IT UP TO MORE OF A ADVISORY FROM THE BOARD ON HOW TO APPROACH THAT.
AND THEN FINAL DECISION FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, TRADE PERMITS, UH, BY HOMEOWNERS.
SO GREG MCFARLAND BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, HE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO LEAVE, UH, BUT ONE THING HE'S, UH, WANTED TO DISCUSS IS THE ALLOWING, UH, FOR, FOR HOME BUILDERS TO PULL TRADE PERMITS.
WE KINDA TALKED EARLIER, I'M SORRY, HOMEOWNERS TO PULL TRADE PERMITS.
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE BUILDING, UH, CONTRACTORS OR BEING ABLE TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT OR REMODEL OR A NEW BUILDING AS A HOMEOWNER.
UH, BUT HE WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT FOR THE TRADES.
UH, SO WE WILL OPEN THAT IN DISCUSSION, HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
UH, THEN ALSO, UH, BUILDING PERMITS BY COMPANY OR INDIVIDUAL.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE, THE HOME.
AND JEREMY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOMEOWNER ISSUE, I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE STATE STATUTE BECAUSE I THINK UNDER THE STATE STATUTE THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM LICENSURE, SO CORRECT.
AND, AND IF THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM LICENSURE, IT MEANS THAT IF YOU WANT THEM, THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, WHETHER YOU SAY OKAY OR NOT.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ISSUE THEM A PERMIT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING THEM PULL A PERMIT THEN DO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE EXEMPTED BY STATE AND YOU'RE PREEMPTED FROM DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
AND, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, NEXT WEEK WHEN GREG'S BACK, OR GREG SAID HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT THROUGH ANY REASON.
HE WOULD STILL LIKE TO READ THIS TO BE DISCUSSED.
SO WE WILL DISCUSS IT AT THE MEETING.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN AS STILL PENDING ON EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED BY CRYSTAL TODAY.
I DO WE WANT TO TRY TO TACKLE SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, AMENDMENT, AMENDMENTS OR AGENDA ITEMS, OR
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DO WE WANNA JUST DO 'EM ALL NEXT WEEK AFTER WE GET THIS CLARIFIED? IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD.I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE JUST GET IT, GET IT ALL DONE, GET ALL THOSE NOTES, DISCUSS IT ONE LAST TIME, AND THEN WE JUST LUMP SUM THIS NEXT WEEK, THEN WE WON'T MISS ANYTHING.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE TABLING ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING LATE, UH, OR ACTUALLY I SCHEDULED US STILL 1130, SO I GOT FIVE MINUTES TO, UH, FINALIZE.
UM, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE OTHER PRESENTATION JUST SO WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORD OF, OF THE TRACKING.
NEED FIVE MINUTES? READY? NOTHING.
WELL, I CAN GET IT TO SWITCH REAL QUICK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO.
SO THIS IS JUST ONCE AGAIN, JUST SO IT WAS WATCHING FROM HOME.
WE'RE STILL TRACKING IT THROUGH THE SAME ESSAY SPEAK UP, UH, PROCESS.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, FINALIZE THIS CODE WEEK AT NOVEMBER 8TH AT TWO 20, UH, NINE 9:00 AM SO SAME THING AS WE MET THIS WEEK.
WE'LL, UH, HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEETING NEXT.
UH, AND THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.
UH, I WILL BE LEAVING THE CITY AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
SO ACTUALLY THIS NEXT, UH, NEXT FRIDAY WILL BE MY LAST DAY WITH THE CITY, UH, HAVING HAD SET ON THIS BOARD BEFORE I JOINED THE CITY, UH, AND HAD BEEN THE BOARD LIAISON FOR THE LAST SIX AND A HALF YEARS.
UH, SO WORKING WITH Y'ALL FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, THREE CODE CYCLES, UH, PLENTY OF APPEALS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND CCRS.
UH, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME AND COMMITMENT.
UH, WORKING WITH Y'ALL HAS BEEN AMAZING.
UH, SO I WANNA SAY THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THOSE TIME, UM, AND, AND GETTING TO KNOW Y'ALL AND WORKING ALONGSIDE Y'ALL.
DO WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT? IS ANYTHING OFFICIAL YET? UH, NOT YET.
WE, I MEAN, JEREMY, NUMBER ONE, WE THANK JEREMY FOR EVERYTHING HE'S DONE.
HE, HE'S, HE'S AMAZING AND WE HATE FOR HIM TO LEAVE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE OPPORTUNITY, WHICH I THINK IT IS, IS GOOD FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY, WE WISH HIM THE BEST.
UM, SO HE GAVE US ENOUGH NOTICE.
BASICALLY WE, WE DID POST FOR THE POSITION WHILE HE'S HERE, WHICH ALLOWED US TO DO THAT, UH, KNOWING THAT HE'S LEAVING.
AND WE DID SOME INTERVIEWS AND NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH HR ON, ON, UH, FINALIZING THAT SELECTION.
SO HOPEFULLY SOON WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY.
BUT YOU CAN FILL IN FOR HIM IN THE MEANTIME, RIGHT? YOU CAN DOUBLE WORK.
UH, NO, THAT'S WHY HE KEPT THIS MEETING.
THIS IS THE LAST DAY HE HAS HERE, SO HE GONNA DO THE MEETING AND THAT'S IT.
NO MORE MEETINGS TILL SUSPENDED.
SO YOU WILL BE HERE NEXT FRIDAY OR NOT BE HERE? I WILL BE HERE NEXT FRIDAY, YES, SIR.
YEAH, IT'LL BE MY LAST DAY, SO I'LL, I'LL STILL BE PART OF THIS.
WELL, YEAH, I THINK, WE'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY BE, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, WILLIAM, UH, AFTER THIS, SO MOVING OVER TO HDR, SO
MAYBE THEY'LL PUT ME AS THE ALTERNATE THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR 10 YEARS AS ALTERNATE.
AND I CAN STILL HANG OUT WITH Y'ALL SOMETIME.
SO IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I I'LL TAKE OVER THE BOARD AND YOU'LL BE THE FIRST HIRE.
ALL IT'S ON THE BOOK, SO, SO YOU WON'T SEE ME TOO FOR TOO LONG.
BUT, UH, THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM STAFF.
SO YOU'VE, YOU ARE, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING, ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS AND EVERYTHING FROM STAFF BOARD.
UH, REQUEST MEETING TO BE ADJOURNED AND STATE THE TIME AS WHATEVER TIME IT IS.