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[1. Clear Channel has approached the City of San Antonio with a request to install new digital billboards. DSD staff will present to the board the recommendations that will be submitted to City Council for approval.]
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UM, AGAIN, FOR THESE PURPOSES, I, IT'S, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS, UH, AGENDA WAS, WAS POSTED, IT'S, IT'S INFORMATIONAL.
UM, IF THERE IS A, I THINK A NEED TO COME BACK, UM, IT WOULD, UM, BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION IS NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, HOW THINGS ARE TRADITIONALLY DONE.
BUT JUST, I'M SORRY TO ADD TO THAT.
SO BASICALLY, I DON'T THINK CODES, OUR ORDINANCES OR CODES OR RULES STATE THAT EVERY ORDINANCE BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO COME TO YOUR BOARD IF IT'S CHAPTER 10 OR 28.
BUT AS, UH, JOSEPH SAID, THIS IS JUST THE COMMON PRACTICE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
WE WANNA ENGAGE YOU, WE WANNA GET YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO, BUT IN REALITY, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU BEFORE WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT AS JOSEPH SAID, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THIS, WE CAN SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING AND, AND VOTE ON IT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT, UM, IF THE AGENDA HAD BEEN, THE LANGUAGE HAD BEEN WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, WE'LL BE VOTING TO VOTING ON THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR SOME OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS TODAY.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE, UH, TECHNICALITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, THE PROCESS WE HAVE, WE, WE ARE DEALING WITH AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, EVERYTHING'S DONE TO THE T BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND, AND GENERALLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS WE TAKE.
UM, EITHER THE PUBLIC OR CITY COUNCIL IN THIS CASE, WAS THIS OFF OF A C C R OR WAS THIS NO, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US BY THE PUBLIC, BY CLEAR CHANNEL.
BY CLEAR CHANNEL, UH, WHETHER IT'S BY THE PUBLIC, BY CLEAR CHANNEL OR BY ANY OTHER ENTITY OR COUNCIL, AND WHICH IS OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM, UM, WHICH IS A C C R.
THEN YOU, WE FORM A, A TYPICALLY FORM SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN BRING THINGS BEFORE THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, UH, TO GET EVERYONE'S INPUT AND THEN MAKE A FULL RECOMMENDATION.
AND THIS IS KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGHOUT, UM, OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE OR SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC MIGHT BRING SOMETHING AND IT GOES THROUGH, LET'S SAY ZONING OR PLANNING OR THE, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS THERE ARE, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH.
SOMEBODY REFERS TO IT TO A SPECIFIC BORDER COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES THAT, UM, THAT SUBJECT MATTER FOR THE CITY.
THEY FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY TAKE TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, AND THAT GETS TAKEN TO COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR EITHER APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL, OR THERE'S SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, COUNCIL FROM THE DIOCESE CAN APPROVE AS IT IS OR MAKE CHANGES.
I MEAN, WILLIAM BURRIS, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, STRUCTURALLY THE EXISTING, UM, EQUIPMENT CAN HANDLE THE NEW BILLBOARD ON IT, OR ARE THEY GOING TO NEED TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND REBUILD IT? BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE? UH, IT'LL HANDLE THAT LOAD.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE THEY PUT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL ON, ON THAT POLE, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION FROM STRUCTURE ENGINEERS STATING IT'S OKAY TO ADD THAT LOAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA TEAR IT DOWN.
IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT, THEY CANNOT DO IT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU CANNOT CONSTRUCT NEW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
WHY, WHY ARE WE PROHIBITING, OR WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND PROHIBITING NEW DIGITAL BILLBOARDS WAS JUST PART OF THE ORIGINAL PILOT PROGRAM, OR I THINK THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DID NOT, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE OR, OR, UH, RECOMMEND HAVING DIGITAL BILLBOARDS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN IN 2007, UH, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY DIDN'T WANNA JUST OPEN IT UP.
THEY SAID, LET'S TRY 15 DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, UH, AS A PILOT PROGRAM.
AND AGAIN, 13 OF THE 15 GOT INSTALLED, THE OTHER TWO DID NOT.
UM, AND SINCE THEN, NOBODY SAID ANYTHING TILL NOW.
SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP, POTENTIALLY TWO YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THIS GONNA BE CHANGED COMPLETELY OR OPEN OR NOT.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS, WHEN WE BEGAN TO ALLOW THEM, THERE WAS THAT, THAT CAP OF 15, AND THEN SINCE THEN, IT, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED UNTIL, UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO LET ME ASK YOU QUESTION.
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US TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU TO VOTE ON THIS? OR ARE YOU, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT.WHEN DOES IT GO BEFORE COUNCIL? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT GOES BEFORE COUNCIL ON THE FIFTH, SEPTEMBER 5TH, WHICH IS LIKE NEXT WEEK OR IN A WEEK OR TWO.
I MEAN, BASICALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR THIS LANGUAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN FORMED, VETTED IT, YES.
DISCUSSED IT, AND IT'S GOING FORWARD.
UH, CHAIRMAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, HAVE IT COME BACK BEFORE US.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, WOULD YOU EVEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE PROPER NOTIFICATION SINCE IT'LL BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE NOTIFICATION? I DON'T HOW MANY DAYS OR TWO WEEKS? 72 HOUR NOTIFICATION.
SO IF WE NEED TO, WE'LL, WE WILL POST SOMETHING TODAY FOR 72 HOURS FROM NOW, POTENTIALLY.
WE, WE CAN, IF, AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, BRIAN SMITH.
UM, BUT JUST LIKE, I MEAN, HAD SAID IT, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GOES IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING OVER ALL THIS IN CHAPTER AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR AT THAT TIME, WE CAN THEN PUT IT INTO CODE.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, AS FAR AS THE FULL BOARD COME BACK AND JUST TO VOTE ON THAT WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A PATH FORWARD.
JUST MY OPINION, THIS IS MIKE RU.
I, I, IF YOU, IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A WELL VETTED PROCESS JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, JEALOUSLY GUARDING OUR PREROGATIVES AS A BOARD.
I DON'T LIKE THE PRECEDENT OF, UM, I DON'T LIKE THE PRECEDENT OF THINGS THAT THEORETICALLY SHOULD COME BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING PRESENTED AS INFORMATION ONLY.
UM, AND I HATE TO SEE SOMETHING FROM CHAPTER 10 COME THROUGH THE SAME WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT ACCUSING STAFF OF ANY, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS INTENT HERE.
UM, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, THINK FOR FUTURE, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S WORTH SAYING THAT WE WOULD PREFER IF THINGS THAT COME UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE BOARD, UM, ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, THAT THEY COME TO US AS SOMETHING TO BE VOTED ON, NOT AS SOMETHING JUST TO TELL US THAT THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
IF, IF, IF PEOPLE DISAGREE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND NO, I, I, TRUST ME, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, FUTURE AGENDAS WILL BE WRITTEN SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
WHICH I THINK THIS WAS JUST A ONE TIME HICCUP, WHICH HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THEN, UH, SINCE IT'S GONNA GO BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE FIFTH, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE OR ANY CON AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, THEN WE CAN LET IT GO.
AND I GUESS WE, AND I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK TO SIT THERE AND DO THE FORMAL, I THINK THAT ALSO MAKES A STATEMENT TO THE COUNCIL THAT SAYS, HEY, WE CAN LET IT MOVE FORWARD AS IS.
[2. DSD Staff will present the recommended ordinance language for the City Council Request for the requirement to install baby changing stations in new and existing commercial buildings. This language was approved by the Baby Changing Station Subcommittee on August 22, 2019.]
THE NEXT, WE CAN MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS, UH, REGARDING THE COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, REQUEST TO INSTALL BABY CHANGING STATIONS.JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, SO TO KIND OF GO BACK AND, AND DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE JUST HAD ON THE LAST ONE ABOUT VOTING AND NOT, UH, SO THIS IS A CHAPTER 10 ITEM.
UH, I WANT TO SAY CLEARLY UP FRONT, THIS IS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, A CLERICAL ISSUE ON MY END THAT ALLOWS US TO NOT VOTE ON IT TODAY.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, I ADDED THIS TO THE AGENDA AFTER THE SUBCOMMITTEE LAST WEEK.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO MEET ON THE BILLBOARD, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT IT TO, UH, THE FULL BOARD, GET SOME FEEDBACK.
UH, BUT THE GOAL IS TO STILL ALLOW STAKEHOLDERS, UM, TIME TO DIGEST THIS, PROVIDE SOME MORE FEEDBACK, SEND THIS RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE TO, UH, THIS, THE DISTRICT EIGHT WHO, UH, PROPOSED THE C C R ALLOWED THEM TO VET IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE FULL BOARD.
SO WE WILL HAVE A, A FORMAL VOTE ON THIS, UH, BEFORE WE PRESENT THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO I WANNA BE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT.
THIS IS MOSTLY JUST SOME FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UM, I, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME NEW STAKEHOLDERS COME IN YESTERDAY, UH, THAT PROVIDED SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT, THAT I'LL PRESENT TO THE BOARD AS WELL, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, WE WILL BE MEETING ON THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY A FEW WEEKS FROM NOW, UH, FOR A FORMAL VOTE, UH, KIND OF DEPENDING ON WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, TIME TO VET IT AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE US BACK ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES.
SO I KNOW THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING I'VE KIND OF BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES, BUT I, I KNOW WE HAVE VARIOUS BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
SO I WANNA RUN THROUGH, UM, KIND OF THE SAME PRESENTATION I HAVE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT IS BUILT INTO THE PRESENTATION ON THE TAIL END, UH, THAT WE CAN GO TO IF ANYBODY WANTS SOME.
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IT'S, UH, SOME A D A LAYOUTS OF VARIOUS RESTROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.SO Y'ALL CAN SEE WHAT ANYBODY'S CONCERNS MIGHT BE.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS, UH, KIND OF AWARE THAT THE A D A AND TOSS, UH, ARE REQUIREMENTS ARE KIND OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES, UH, WHEN REQUIRING THIS REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO JEREMY, ROBERT HANLEY, WHEN YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IF YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU EMPHASIZE HOW IT WAS WORDED AND WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE SO THEY CAN SEE THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH THERE TO GET TO THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND I CAN PULL UP THAT, UH, OTHER DOCUMENT REAL FAST AS WELL.
SO I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS AND THEN I'LL PULL THAT UP SO WE CAN, UH, SEE THAT AS A MAYOR IMAGE.
UH, SO CITY COUNCIL WAS SUBMITTED AS COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW THE REQUIREMENT THAT BABY CHANGING STATIONS BE INSTALLED IN ALL NEW BUILDINGS WITH RESTROOM FACILITIES THAT OFFER PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS.
AND IN ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHEN RESTROOM FACILITIES ARE ADDED OR ALTERED IN A MANNER THAT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT CAME TO US FROM THE C C R.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE EXACT C C R JUST PULLED OUT, SAME LANGUAGE, UH, THAT YOU JUST SAW.
SO I THINK, UM, KIND OF ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS THAT KIND OF CAUGHT EVERYBODY UP WAS THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND ANY PERMIT, UH, REQUIRED INSIDE A BATHROOM REQUIRING US THEN TO, UH, REQUIRE THE BABY CHASING ST PAGING BABY CHANGING STATIONS TO BE INSTALLED.
SO I KINDA WENT AROUND AND I KIND OF SAID, WHAT IS THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT INSIDE OF, UM, A PUBLIC BATHROOM THAT WOULD BE RES SHEET, RES SHEET ROCKING THE BATHROOM, NEW SINK OR TOILET FIXTURES, ADD OR REPLACE PARTITIONS, NEW OUTLET LIGHTER, OR REPLACE CONVENTIONAL FIXTURES WITH SENSOR CONTROLLED FIXTURES THAT REQUIRE HIGH VOLTAGE 120 VOLTS AC IN THIS CASE, OR ADDING AN EXHAUST FAN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BUILDING M E P REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND WE SAY THAT'S VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT MIGHT REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO INSTALL A BABY CHANGING STATION THAT ISN'T THE BATHROOM NOT BE BIG ENOUGH, UH, TO MEET HOUSE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT BABY CHANGING STATION.
UH, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST THING WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING OUR, OUR CODE LANGUAGE.
WE ALSO DID SOME RESEARCH, UH, VARIOUS ENTITIES AND, UH, MIN, UH, MUNICIPALITIES GOVERNMENT, SO THAT HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED BABY CHANGING STATION REQUIREMENTS.
UH, ONE OF THE FIRST WAS THE FEDERAL BILL.
UM, FEDERAL BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BABY CHANGING STATIONS ON A FEDERAL LAW LEVEL, BUT THAT ONLY DICTATES TO FEDERAL BUILDINGS THE, UH, STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS, I CAN OPEN UP THESE, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, I CAN OPEN THOSE UP AND WE CAN REVIEW THOSE.
UM, BUT TIME OF INTEREST, I'LL MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS BACKTRACK TO THAT.
UH, STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS ONE.
UH, SO THIS ENCOMPASSES THE FULL STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND THEY KIND OF HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS FOR STATE BUILDINGS, MUNICIPALITY BUILDINGS, AND THEN PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, CODE LANGUAGE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE THREE TYPES OF, UH, OCCUPIED OR, UH, OWNED BUILDINGS.
THE STATE OF NEW YORK, UM, HAS ONE AS WELL THAT ONCE AGAIN ADDRESSES STATE BUILDINGS AND, UM, ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
BUT PRIOR TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK ADOPTING ONE, THE CITY OF NEW YORK HAD ALREADY ADOPTED ONE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THEY KIND OF TALK ABOUT CITY OWNED BUILDINGS AND THEN ALSO PUBLICLY OWNED BUILDINGS.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HOME, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, WE KINDA USE THAT AS KIND OF OUR, OUR BASE FOR THE LANGUAGE.
AND THEN WE AGENDA, UH, KIND OF MORPHED THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE OTHER STUFF.
UM, NEW MEXICO HAS ONE AS WELL, BUT, UH, THEIR VERBIAGE WASN'T REALLY COINCIDING TOO MUCH WITH THE WAY WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE WE LOOKED AT.
SO WE KINDA LEFT THAT OFF THE AGENDA.
BUT, UH, THERE IS, UH, ALSO NEW YORK, SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY ABOUT A DAY IT'S WORTH OF RESEARCH.
I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER OUT THERE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT AS PUBLICLY, UH, OUT THERE IN THE, UH, GOOGLE SEARCH, YOU MIGHT SAY, AS A STATE OF CALIFORNIA, STATE OF NEW YORK TYPE STUFF.
SO, UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, UH, REAL QUICK.
UM, SO I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND MADE A COUPLE CHANGES BASED ON OUR PROPOSED CHANGES, JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP.
UM, SO I'LL READ THROUGH THIS AND THEN I'LL ALSO OPEN UP THE OTHER ONE REAL FAST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UM, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.
SO EACH PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM SERVING GROUP A AND GROUP M OCCUPANCY TYPE AREAS.
UH, SO THE KEY TO TYPE AREAS, THE CONCERN WE HAD WAS, UM, LIKE A HOTEL THAT HAS A RESTAURANT BUILT INTO IT.
SO YOU HAVE AN R ONE OCCUPANCY FOR THE MAIN BUILDING, BUT IT DOES KIND OF HAVE A, AN ASSEMBLY SPACE TIED TO IT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BATHROOMS THAT SERVE THAT RESTAURANT THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
OUR, OUR PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THE ENTIRE BUILDING, IS JUST THE BATHROOMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED TO THAT TYPE OF OCCUPANCY.
NOW, THE GOAL IS TO NOT BECOME TOO ONEROUS WITH THIS, WITH THIS CODE LANGUAGE AND MAKE IT, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, EXAMPLES WE HAVE ARE FIVE TO 10 PAGES JUST FOR THIS ONE REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WHAT WE WANT TO ALSO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT LIKE ASSEMBLY PLACES THAT ARE BUILT IN FOR BUSINESS OCCUPANCY, SO THEIR CONFERENCE ROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, CONFERENCE FLOORS THAT AREN'T TYPICALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, INHERENTLY THROUGH DSDS, UH, APPROACH AND PROBABLY THROUGH A IB IF THIS IS ADOPTED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREN'T GETTING TRIGGERED.
SO, UH, THE, THE KEY THERE WOULD BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
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SO THE, THE INTENT IS THAT THERE'D BE BATHROOM BATHROOMS THAT ARE OPEN, UM, TO PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMING INTO AN ASSEMBLY, LIKE A RESTAURANT, UM, OR A PLAY AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A RUSH OR A MERCANTILE TYPE SUITE.SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD NOT TO, TO PINPOINT ALL THESE TYPE OF AREAS AND TRY TO CAPTURE 'EM ALL WITHOUT TOO MUCH CODE LANGUAGE.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING AFTER BUSINESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE NEVER REALLY GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
UM, THE OTHER ONE WE LOOKED AT WAS HOSPITALS.
UH, WE ADDED THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF, THE INDUSTRY ITSELF IS TAKING CARE OF THAT.
WE REACHED OUT TO, UH, VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE PART OF THE HOSPITAL IN, UH, INDUSTRY, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, ADDRESSED.
UH, WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND ADDING THAT JUST BECAUSE WE OF THE, UH, THE NATURE OF A HOSPITAL.
UM, BUT WE, WE BELIEVE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TOO IMPACTFUL FOR ANY OF THE HOSPITALS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, IN KEEPING WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER LANGUAGES WE'VE SEEN AND THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, WE'RE ALSO SEEING CITY OWNED BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DICTATED BY, UH, OCCUPANCY TYPE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY BUILDING THAT'S CITY OWNED THAT IS OPENED UP, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE COMING FOR MEETINGS OR, UH, TO MEET WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO STAFF AND SUCH AS THAT.
SO, UH, LIKE THE BATHROOM WE HAVE HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH IS KIND OF THE ONE SERVES THE, THE GENERAL OCCUPANCY AREA FOR THE PUBLIC IS WE'RE GOING REQUIRE IT, WHICH IT ACTUALLY ALREADY DOES HAVE.
UM, SO THAT THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE SAFE, SANITARY, AND CONVENIENT DIAPER, I'M SORRY, BABY CHANGING STATION UNDER THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES.
UH, THE CHANGE HERE IS DURING OUR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WE WENT THROUGH AND ORIGINALLY THE LANGUAGE SAID DIAPER, UH, WE CHANGED IT TO BY BABY, AND I JUST MISSED THAT ONE WHEN I MADE THE QUICK CHANGES, UH, DURING OUR FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
UH, SO I CAUGHT IT HERE JUST INDICATING THAT, UH, WHAT WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED AS A SMALL CHANGE.
UH, SO THIS IS INDICATING THAT ALL BATHROOMS IN THE BUILDING NEED TO HAVE IT, UM, OF THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS, UH, OCCUPANCY TYPES AND CITY OWNED.
NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THOSE ARE REQUIRED IN ALL NEW BUILDINGS, UH, SO ALL NEW BUILDINGS PROVIDING AREAS WITH OCCUPANCY TYPE SPECIFIED HOSPITALS, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'LL HAVE TO DELETE THAT.
UM, BUT I DOUBLED UP ON HOSPITAL AND THEN ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS.
UH, THE CHANGE THERE WAS, WE HAD ORIGINALLY WE'RE GONNA SAY ALL CITY BUILD OWNED BUILDINGS ACROSS THE BOARD OWED AND NEW MAKE IT RETROACTIVE TO CITY OWNED.
UH, BUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE DECIDED WE WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE THE CITY OWNED BUILDINGS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS WHAT WE'RE DOING TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO WE USED TO HAVE A SUBSECTION C THAT COVERED BOTH NEW AND EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO I ADDED IT BACK TO THE EXISTING BUILDING BASED ON THAT CHANGE, BUT I NEGLECTED TO ADD IT TO THE NEW BUILDING.
SO THIS NOW REQUIRES THAT NEW CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, UH, COVERED AS WELL.
UH, SO THAT, THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE NEW BUILDINGS OF THOSE OCCUPANCY TYPES, UH, AS WELL AS CITY AS WELL AS CITY OWNED BUILDINGS.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EXISTING BUILDINGS, ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS, PROVIDING AREAS WITH OCCUPANCY TYPE SPECIFIED HOSPITALS AND ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS AND ANY OF THE BO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ARE MADE.
SO IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE UNLESS THEY MAKE THESE TYPE, THESE THREE CHANGES, A NEW RESTROOM IS BUILT.
UH, SO IF THEY TAKE ANY TYPE OF AREA THAT'S IN THAT EXISTING BUILDING AND THEY ADD A NEW BATHROOM, WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING TRENCHING TO ADD THE PLUMBING, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE FIXTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK, UH, THAT USUALLY REQUIRES ADDITIONAL SPACE.
SO FACTORING IN THE NEED FOR A BABY CHANGING STATION, WE ASSUMED OR WE APPRECIATE, THAT WILL NOT BE A BIG IMPACT ON THE COST, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED BY 50 SQUARE FEET OR MORE.
UM, SO THE, ORIGINALLY THIS WAS GONNA BE JUST A FLAT OUT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED OR DECREASED.
THAT WAS THE TERMS OR THE, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD BROUGHT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, WE VOTED TO HAVE DECREASED REMOVED AND THEN, UH, AN INCREASED BY 50 SQUARE FOOT.
THE 50 SQUARE FOOT WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THE REQUIRED SPACE FOR A STANDARD BABY CHANGING STATION, UH, FOR ACCESSIBILITIES PLUS, UH, THE ADDITION OF LIKE A WATER CLOSET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT SHOULD BE KIND OF, YOU CAN ADD A WATER CLOSET, BUT THEN ALSO ADD THE BABY CHANGING STATION.
SO IF YOU DON'T GO MORE THAN, IF YOU DON'T GO UP TO 50 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SIZE OF YOUR RESTROOM, THEN THIS WOULD NOT, UH, BE RETROACTIVE.
YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO INSTALL IT.
UM, THEN FINALLY, THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM IS INCREASED.
THIS WOULD BE SINKS, UH, TO, UM, WATER CLOSETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT IT WAS THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES OF AN EXISTING RESTROOM HAS INCREASED OR DECREASED.
UM, SO THIS INITIAL LANGUAGE SAYS THAT EVERY SINGLE RESTROOM IN THESE TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES ARE, ARE SERVING.
THESE TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES REQUIRE THAT.
NOW THE, THE TRUE INTENT FOR OUR APPROACH IS FOR IT TO BE PER PER FLOOR.
SO THE EXCEPTION IS THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE BABY CHANGING STATIONS DOES NOT APPLY TO A RESTROOM THAT CONTAINS CLEAR AND VISIBLE SIGNAGE INDICATING WE'RE AN ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM AND OR DESIGNATED AREA.
UH, THIS ONCE AGAIN, WAS SOMETHING WE ADDED DURING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, IF SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH A PROPOSED IDEA THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INSIDE THE RESTROOM, UM, OR A ANY TYPE OF ROOM CLASSIFIED AS RESTROOM, BUT IS
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KIND OF AN AREA THAT THEY DESIGNATE, UM, THAT IS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.SO WE ADDED THE APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SO THAT WE CAN VET IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE HEALTH CONCERNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SINK SO THEY CAN WASH AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DEDICATED RESTROOM WITH THE WATER CLOSETS AND STUFF.
UH, STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF GIVES US THE CODE LONG WAGE OF WHAT A RESTROOM IS DESIGNATED AS.
UM, WITH A BABY CHANGING STATION IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING ON THE SAME FLOOR.
ALTERNATIVE RESTROOM MUST BE ONE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO INDIVIDUALS OF THE GENDER OF THE ORIGINAL RESTROOM.
UH, SO THE INTENT OF THIS EXCEPTION IS TO SAY THAT AS LONG AS THE RESTROOM THAT SOMEBODY GOES TO HAS A SIGNAGE INDICATING WHERE THEY CAN GO ON THAT FLOOR AND STILL HAVE ACCC, UH, OCCUPANCY TO IT, DEPENDING, NO MATTER WHAT GENDER THEY ARE, THEN THAT WILL SUFFICE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS.
NOT EVERY SINGLE RESTROOM HAS TO HAVE IT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, UM, THAT RESTROOM THAT IS INDICATED.
SO IF SAY IT'S A FAMILY ROOM, THEN ALL RESTROOMS ON THAT FLOOR CAN GO TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY ROOM 'CAUSE ALL GENDERS CAN OCCUPY THAT FAMILY ROOM.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF BABY CHANGING STATION.
UH, MEANS A BABY CHANGING STATION DECK TABLE OR SIMILAR AMENITY THAT IS INTENDED FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHANGING DIAPERS ON CHIL ON CHILDREN WEIGHING UP TO 50 POUNDS.
UH, 50 POUNDS CAME FROM JUST LOOKING AT THE STANDARD BABY CHANGING STATIONS ON THE MARKET, AND 50 POUNDS WAS THEIR MAX.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND USED THAT SOME LANGUAGE, 50 POUNDS WAS USED BY SOME MUNICIPALITIES, OTHER ONES SAID THREE YEARS.
UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THE CORRELATION OF A THREE YEAR OLD, UM, MATTERED.
SO WE KINDA JUST WENT WITH, UH, STANDARD MANUFACTURING PRACTICE OF THE INSTALLING TABLES.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO INDICATED, UH, BASED ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADD THE APPEALS, UM, LANGUAGE IN THERE.
UH, SO MOSTLY WE'RE JUST LETTING 'EM KNOW THAT IF ANYBODY APPEALS THE REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES AND PILLS ADVISORY BOARD.
UH, SO Y'ALL WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HEAR THAT APPEAL.
UM, SO IF THIS MOVES THROUGH, OF COURSE WE WOULD, UH, CR CREATE AN IB AND WE WOULD REFERENCE THAT IB 1 44, WHICH IS THE APPEALS BOARD, UM, PAPERWORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND REFERENCE THAT.
SO, UH, WE'LL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO ALL PUBLIC, UM, GROUPS, ANYBODY THAT'S COMING TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO EITHER ADDRESS THIS OR APPEAL IT IF THEY NEED TO.
UH, REAL QUICK, I'LL PULL UP THE OTHER ONE JUST SO Y'ALL KINDA SEE THAT.
SO, UH, THIS WAS EVERYTHING IN, IN RED IS WHAT WAS ADDED AFTER THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OR DURING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE, UH, CHANGED EVERYTHING FROM DIAPER TO BABY EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT I MISSED.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE RE, RE REDUCED OR REMOVED SUBSECTION C UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT A RETROACTIVE TO ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS FOR THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UH, BUT BECAUSE I ALSO HAD SAID EXISTING AND NEW, I NEEDED TO ADD THAT BACK TO, UH, SUBSECTION A.
UH, SO THAT WAS THE CHANGE THAT I MADE TODAY.
UM, WE ADDED THAT CITY OWNED BUILDINGS TO SUBSECTION B, UH, ONCE AGAIN REMOVED SOME OF THE, UH, DIAPER TO BABY, ADDED THE, AND OR DESIGNATED AREA APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THEN ALSO ADDED THE APPEALS REQUIREMENT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE RE REMOVED, DECREASED FOR BOTH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF FIXTURES, AND, UH, SPECIFIED THAT THE INCREASE NEEDED TO BE SQUARE 50 SQUARE FEET OR MORE, UH, VERSUS JUST ANY TYPE OF INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF CONCLUDES EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA PRESENT.
I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I APOLOGIZE.
WE DID HAVE A STAKEHOLDER THAT CAME IN, UH, YESTERDAY THAT I WANTED TO PRESENT THEIR INFORMATION TO Y'ALL FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT CAME TO US.
SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL REFERENCE THAT THE BABY CHANGING STATION BE PLACED IN AN ACCESSIBLE STALL DESIGNED FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES? I APOLOGIZE, I CHANGED IT SO I COULD MOVE IT AROUND, BUT THAT SHOULD, SHOULD NOT BE, SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL REFERENCES THAT THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS NOT APOLOGIZE, NOT BE PLACED IN AN ACCESSIBLE STALL DESIGNED FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES? MANY TIMES THESE STATIONS ARE IMPROPERLY INSTALLED, NOT COMPLIANT WITH ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS AND END UP CREATING A BARRIER FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES.
IT IS ALSO A BARRIER FOR A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHEN THE USUALLY ONE ACCESSIBLE STALL IS UNAVAILABLE DUE TO A PERSON WHO'S USING THE STALL FOR CHANGING WEATHER BECAUSE OF THEIR MOBILITY NEED.
UH, SECOND CONSIDERATION, DIS DISABILITY ACCESS OFFICE OF T C I HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY REGARDING ADULT CHANGING STATIONS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW AN ADULT CHILD OR INFANT TO BE CHANGED RATHER THAN JUST AN INFANTS.
THIS IS A NEW MOVEMENT WITHIN SA THAT IS PICKING UP MOMENTUM, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS ALSO SUPPORT FROM D THREE, UH, WITH THIS TYPE OF INITIATIVE.
UH, WOULDN'T IT BE BEST TO RECOMMEND MAKE LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL TOPIC AT THE SAME TIME AS THIS, UH, DISABILITY OFFICE, UH, ACCESS OFFICE WILL BE LOOKING AT ADDING ADULT CHANGING STATIONS TO THE U D C FOR THIS CYCLE.
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SO THOSE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT CAME TO US, UH, FROM INTERNAL, UH, SOURCES.SO, UH, THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION, UM, IS KIND OF SOME, THIS IS THE TOSS REQUIREMENTS IF WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, AND, UH, WE CAN GO INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT IS.
UH, THERE'S KIND OF REALLY JUST REFERENCES BACK TO OTHER THE LANGUAGE AND WE PULL THAT UP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM, FROM THE LANGUAGE HERE FOR, FOR T A S THAT RIGHT NOW YOU CAN INSTALL THE BABY CHAIN STATION IN THE, UM, HANDICAPPED RESTROOM, BUT IT CANNOT IMPEDE ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO, THAT RESTROOM STILL HAS TO MEET THE PROPER REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MET AND HAD RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE WHOLE FULL BOARD TODAY, CAN VOTE ON IT 'CAUSE IT WASN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO I GUESS WE'LL COME BACK, BUT, UM, BASED ON YOUR ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS COMMENT, BUT FROM THE, UH, DISABILITY ACCESS OFFICE, UM, ARE WE GOING TO RECONVENE THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT ADULT CHANGING STATIONS? THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD AND STAFF WOULD, YOU KNOW, HOLD TO WHATEVER THE, WE PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO Y'ALL, LIKE WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER RESEARCH.
UM, SO WE, WE KIND OF WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH.
RYAN SMITH, UM, JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT ON, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOR THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS, BUT ADULTS, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY COMPLETELY.
SO IT'S NO MORE OF THESE OFF THE SHELF ON AMAZON YOU CAN BUY THAT ARE JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WEIGHT LIMIT THAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT REALLY ON THE MARKET AND SUCH.
UM, AGAIN, IN OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING TO GOING THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN ENTERTAIN FOR A FUTURE LOOKING AT.
BUT, UH, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THEN A SECOND THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UH, THE SECOND ITEM.
UH, THE, THE FIRST ONE I THINK, UM, ONE WE KIND OF SAW IN TOSS WHAT IS ALLOWED AND IS NOT ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, WE KINDA LOOKED AT, UH, I THINK WE BROUGHT UP TOSS AND A D A REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT DURING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND A LITTLE BIT DURING THE INITIAL MEETING, UH, ON AUGUST 2ND.
THEN WHEN WE KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS, UM, ACCESSIBILITY BEYOND WHAT'S BUILT INTO THE CODES.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN LOOKING AT, UH, RESTROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR USABILITY FOR ALL OCCUPANCIES.
NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY, UH, DISABILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE DO, ALL WE DO IS REQUIRE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR A PERMIT, THAT THEY SHOW US THE, UH, TOSS NUMBER THAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, INDICATED THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO WE, WE ARE CHECKING, CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROPER PROCESS, BUT WE DON'T VET AND OR REVIEW ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MEETING TOSS.
JEREMY, ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS ON THAT.
SO FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THE WAY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSE AND REGULATION DOES IS THEY EMPOWER, UH, RAS REGISTERED ACCESSIBILITY TO DO THE, UH, UH, PLAN REVIEW AND THE POST-CONSTRUCTION REVIEW AND SUBMIT THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY'S NOT INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, IT WOULD BE THE RASS RESPONSIBILITY DETERMINE IF A BABY CHANGING STATION IN THE HANDICAPPED STALL IS COMPLIANT WITH TOSS STANDARDS.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO.
SO I, I I, I DO TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT ON THAT.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, YEAH, I JUST KNOW MORE OF WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES AND THAT'S THAT THEY INDICATE THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE TOSS PROCESS AND THAT'S AS FAR AS WE TAKE IT.
UM, I THINK WE ADDRESSED TOSS CONCERNS BY ADDING THE 50 SQUARE FOOT AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, THESE REQUIREMENTS TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FORCING SOMEBODY THAT JUST ADDS A SMALL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON A SMALL CHANGE OF JUST REARRANGING SOMETHING, UH, WHETHER IT BE MOVE A SINK AROUND OR MAKE SOMETHING, UH, MORE FUNCTIONAL, UH, THAT AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRES THEM TO NOW ADD A LOT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THE GOAL IS TO, UH, ONLY REQUIRE THIS WHEN THEY ALREADY ARE ADDING THAT MUCH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY TAKING ON THAT, UH, THAT BURDEN.
THEN WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO ADD THAT P CHANGE STATION.
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JUST ALSO TO CLARIFY, THE UH, COMMITTEE, UM, LOOKED AT, UH, POSSIBLY ADDING A DOLLAR AMOUNT WHERE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES MUNICIPALITIES WERE DOING, AND THAT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT TO TRY TO MONITOR.SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST KEPT IT AS THE INCREASE AND MAJOR CHANGES TO A BATHROOM.
SO IT WOULD KEEP IT VERY, UH, SIMPLE AND EASY TO REGULATE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN AS WE KIND OF DISCUSSED ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, SO THIS WOULD BE IN ORDINANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE WE DO WANT TO HAVE, UH, Y'ALL VOTE ON IT AND WE SEND THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO REVIEW DURING THAT ORDINANCE.
BUT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL WILL BE THAT WE WOULD ADD THIS TO THE CHAPTER 10, UH, MOST LIKELY UNDER CHAPTER FOUR, THE I P C, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE FIXTURES AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF RESTROOMS ALREADY LIE.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD VOTE ON IT AGAIN AT THAT POINT.
UM, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR WITH THIS CODE LANGUAGE AND TRY TO CATCH, DO A CATCHALL.
WE WANT TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S GET IT MOVING, SEE HOW THINGS, KIND OF SEE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, ALLOW D S D A COUPLE TIMES OR SOME TIME TO SEE WHAT ITEMS WE RUN INTO.
UH, TRY TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING WITH AN IB AT FIRST.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN CODIFY EVERYTHING, KIND OF SEE IF THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE NEED TO ADD OR WE TOO.
UM, IS IT, IS IT IMPACTING THE CITY'S TOO MUCH AND WE MAYBE NEED TO REDUCE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IS YOUR INTENT TO, WE COME BACK AND REVISIT AND ACTUALLY GET A BOARD VOTE ON THIS I AGENDA ITEM? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, WE WANT TO GET Y'ALL'S OPINION ON EVERYTHING.
UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES WE NEED TO DO, SEND OUT THAT PROPOSED, UH, ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AT THIS POINT, UH, TO THE REST OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL OF DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, AND LET THEM KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS MUCH AS THEY WANT.
AND WHEN THEY'RE READY, IF THEY DO DECIDE, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONSIDERATION, THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AND GET THAT VOTING ON ANY CHANGES OR THE FINAL, WHICHEVER ONE IT IS.
SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SEND THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO THE WHOLE BOARD, BOARD AS A WHOLE AND ALSO TO THE COUNCILMAN WHO PROPOSED IT.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, THAT'S ALL, HEY, THIS IS ALL GOOD.
YEAH, ALLOW STAKEHOLDERS MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
AND LIKE WE SAID, THIS HAS ONLY BEEN ABOUT A MONTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ANYTIME WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF CODE CHANGES, WE TRY TO GIVE, UH, THE PUBLIC IN ALL STAKEHOLDERS MORE TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
UM, I REALLY JUST ADDED THIS TO THE AGENDA TODAY, JUST TO HAVE THE FULL BOARD, UH, ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BEFORE WE SEND IT OUT THERE SO THAT WE TRY TO, UH, WHEN WE DO MEET THE NEXT TIME, IT HOPEFULLY IS CONCISE AND IT IS KIND OF A, A TECHNICALITY TO GET THE VOTE VERSUS, UH, MUCH MORE CHANGES IN DISCUSSION.
JEREMY, WILLIAM BURRIS, I'VE, UH, TWO COMMENTS.
ONE, UH, I, I LIKE YOUR FIRST BULLET ITEM THERE ABOUT NOT HAVING THE, UH, CHANGING STATIONS IN A ACCESSIBLE STALL.
UH, OR ANY STALL FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT UNDER, UH, EXCEPTIONS.
UM, IT STATES, UH, YOU CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATE RESTROOM AS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, LOCATED IN THE SAME BUILDING ON THE SAME FLOOR.
UH, I BELIEVE THE, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THE PLUMBING CODE HAD TRAVEL DISTANCE LIMITATIONS FOR A RESTROOM.
SO IF YOU HAD A LARGE FLOOR PLAN LIKE AT A MALL, WHICH WOULD FALL UNDER THIS GROUP M GROUP A OCCUPANCY, UM, SHOULD WE, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, SHOULD WE PUT A MAXIMUM TRAVEL DISTANCE, UM, WHERE IT'S, UH, ON THE, ON A, ON THE SAME FLOOR SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL FROM ONE END OF THE MALL TO ANOTHER? TRACK IT DOWN.
UM, UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD ROBERT.
THAT PART OF THAT LANGUAGE CAME, UM, AS A BYPRODUCT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION AND I BROUGHT IT UP.
AND THE REASON WAS, IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, I'VE WORKED ON TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE HAD A LACTATING ROOM IN THE FACILITY AND ALLS IT HAS IS A HAND SINK.
AND TO, UH, IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE TO PUT IN ANOTHER RESTROOM, BUT JUST A HAND SINK, WHICH IS A WHOLE LOT LESS COMPLICATED FOR PLUMBING PURPOSES, THEN WOULD THAT MEET THE INTENT OF THE IDEA OF HAVING A BABY CHANGING STATION? AND IT, I WAS LOOKING AT IT AS A SIMILAR TYPE OF FACILITY THAT IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER FOR THE CITY AND THEIR BUILDINGS OR EVEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AS MAX TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, AT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IS TO HAVE A DIAPER CHANGING ROOM WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A HAND SINK.
I DON'T NEED THE PLUMBING FIXTURES, THE WATER CLOSETS OR THE URINAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS.
IT WAS TRYING TO LOWER THE BURDEN ON THE BUILDING OWNER BRIAN SMITH.
I I, I THINK I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, POTENTIAL.
'CAUSE IT DOES ALLOW EXCEPTIONS.
IF IT WAS 'EM ALL THE DISTANCE, I THINK THE KEY PART OF THE LANGUAGE IS APPROVED.
THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS TO APPROVE IT.
SO THAT KIND OF COVERS, THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, WAS TO MAKE SURE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAME UP
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THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT ONES.UM, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANGUAGE KINDA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WE WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND THEN ALLOW THE BUILDING OFFICIALS SOME FLEXIBILITY.
IF THEY SAW SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING UP, WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVE THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND, UH, ALSO TO, TO POINT OUT, SO THE, THE CODE IS IN THE I P C I THINK IT'S 500 FEET, YOU KNOW, THE TRAVEL DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR A RESTROOM.
UM, AND THE, THAT SETS WHERE YOU NEED TO HAVE A RESTROOM.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT EVERY SINGLE RESTROOM THAT'S SET BY THE I P C NEEDS TO HAVE A BABY CHANGING STATION IN.
SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE HAD THAT CODE LANGUAGE OF, OF THE, THE SIGN ALLOWING IT TO GO FURTHER AWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO GO TOO, TOO IN DEPTH WITH THE LANGUAGE AND, AND TRY TO GET, DO A CATCHALL ON EVERYTHING JUST YET.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS AND, UH, LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE SO MINIMAL THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES THAT IN ONE AREA.
THEN THEY CATCH A WHOLE LOT OF SMALLER AREAS BY, BY HAPPEN CHANCE TYPE THING.
SO THAT'S WHERE, AS BRIAN WAS SAYING, THE, THE CITY APPROVED ONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO SEE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE, YEAH, YOU'RE JUST GONNA GET ONE ON ONE MALL WAY IN THE FAR CORNER, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE APPROVED VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THE CENTER OR YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE 500 FOOT.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL BOARD COMMENTS THERE BEING NONE? I THINK, UM, YOU CAN SEND, UH, THE ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE OUT TO THE BOARD, TO THE COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE FEEDBACK, UM, AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS EARLIER WHERE WE CAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, FOCUS ON THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE C C R.
ONCE THAT GETS COMPLETED, UH, IF NEED BE, WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THE ADULT CHANGING STATIONS.
'CAUSE UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SET OF STAKEHOLDERS.
'CAUSE YOU, 'CAUSE THAT'S MORE, I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT'S CONCERNING MORE DISABILITIES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AS, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'RE JUST NOT MOUNTING THOSE TO THE WALL BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT.
NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO OPEN UP THAT WALL TO PUT SUPPORTS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
SO, BUT, BUT IT, IT'S, I MEAN, SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP SO IT'S A LEGIT CONCERN.
SO I DON'T WANNA JUST LET IT BE FORGOTTEN.
I THINK, UM, THAT, THAT'S HANDLE THE BABY STATION STATION FIRST AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT ADULT CHANGING STATIONS.
WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, I WAS READING AND SPACED OUT WHEN YOU ASKED FOR CAN I JUST A, A QUICK ONE? NO,
HE CAN VERY QUICKLY FIRST JUST COMMEND THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, UM, PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF BALANCING, UM, THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, THE, AND THAT YOU ALLUDED TO IT DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, THE PHRASE, UH, GROUP A AND GROUP M OCCUPANCY TYPE AREAS.
WHEN YOU'VE, ARE YOU GONNA FLESH THAT OUT WITH A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY? IS THAT THE INTENT? UM, I MEAN THAT, I MEAN, WE CAN, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN, YOU KNOW, ANY RECOMMENDATION.
LIKE I, IT'S, THE GOAL IS TO CATCH, LIKE I WAS SAYING, THE RESTAURANT'S IN A HOTEL, UH, WHERE YOU, THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH ARE FAMILY AREAS LIKE RESTAURANTS, UH, ASSEMBLY AREAS.
UM, AND IT'S JUST TO TRY TO SAY THIS TYPE OF ASSEMBLY AREA, BUT NOT THAT A TYPE OF ASSEMBLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT CATCHING CONFERENCE ROOMS INSIDE BUILDINGS OR, UM, THE CAFETERIA AT A AT A SCHOOL.
UM, IT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BUILD THAT MORE INTO THE IB AT FIRST SO THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING TOO LONG OF A LANGUAGE, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT INTO THIS.
UM, BUT IT IS THE INTENT TO JUST BE MORE LIKE A RESTAURANT TYPE, UH, ASSEMBLY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, MALL OR ANY OTHER ASSEMBLIES THAT ARE KIND OF MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY.
AND, AND THE, THE REASON I ASK, YOU KNOW, IN MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE A COMMON AREA DOWNSTAIRS BY THE OFFICE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GROUP R OCCUPANCY BUILDING, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE CONSTRUED AND I, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE THEY LIVE, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A CONVENIENT PLACE TO CHANGE A DIAPER PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE BY.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, JUST, THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE ASSEMBLY AREA FOR THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE.
UH, THE INTENT IS NOT TO CATCH THAT.
UM, BUT THE, BUT IF, SO, IF WE WENT INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, THERE ARE SOME ASSEMBLY AREAS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO VARIOUS TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES R AND B THAT DOES NEED TO CATCH IT, ESPECIALLY AS WE START LOOKING AT MORE MIXED USE TYPE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'LL PROBABLY CATCH A LOT OF THAT MORE IN THE IB AND KIND OF THE INTENT OF HOW D S T APPROACHES IT.
UH, BUT IF THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD, WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
AND, AND BRIAN SMITH ALSO, OUR BIGGEST THING WE WANTED TO DO IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.
IT'S ONLY IF YOU'RE MAKING MAJOR MODIFICATIONS AND TYPE OF STUFF THAT WHEN THIS WOULD COME IN EFFECT.
ROBERT HANLEY, JEREMY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, TO ADDRESS MR. RUSS'S CONCERN, UH, A MULTI-FAMILY AND IT HAS A CLUBHOUSE.
THE CLUBHOUSE IS SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE MAJOR OCCUPANCY
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CLASSIFICATION FOR THE BUILDING.SO THAT WOULD NEVER FALL IN ASSEMBLY.
WELL, CORRECT, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH THAT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT HE BROUGHT UP OF, OF THE ASSEMBLY TYPE.
SO IT MAY NOT BE THE ASSEMBLY OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING 'CAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE TIED TO ASSEMBLY.
YOU KNOW, AN, UM, A RESTAURANT INSIDE A A HOTEL IS TECHNICALLY GONNA BE AN R ACROSS THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY, AND THAT'S JUST A, AN ACCESSORY USE.
UM, SO WE DO WANT TO CATCH THAT RESTAURANT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MEAN THAT THAT NEEDS TO CATCH ALL THESE OTHER ASSEMBLIES OUT THERE.
SO, UM, WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE FLESH IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, WHETHER WE DO IT IN THE CODE LANGUAGE OR THROUGH AN IB.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE COULD DO THAT, KIND OF KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE IN THE IB AND THEN ADDRESS THAT AS WE GO TO ADOPT, ADOPT THIS 4 MILLION, UH, THE CHAPTER 20, UH, THE 2021 CODES.
UM, AND WE MAKE THAT A FULL AMENDMENT, UH, AND THEN TRY TO CATCH MOST OF THAT INTO AN IB IN THE, IN THE INTERIM TIME.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I THINK, I THINK WE GOT THE GIST OF TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE.
AND PLUS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STEP ONE, IT'S, IT'S LIKE OUR OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE AND THEN AFTER THREE YEARS OR SO, IT'S KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO TWEAK.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE
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CAN GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE FLOW TART UTILIZED BY STAFF WHEN REVIEWING F B I BACKGROUND CHECKS, UH, CORRECT.SO, UH, THIS KIND OF CAME UP AS A, UH, BOARD REQUEST TO CITY STAFF TO REVIEW THAT FLOWCHART.
UM, AS, AS WE'VE KINDA SEEN IN THE LAST, ABOUT I SAY ABOUT A YEAR PERIOD, UH, WE, WE'VE SEEN AN IN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF APPEALS, UH, BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND CHECKS AND DENIAL OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, HOME CONSTRUCTION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND HOME IMPROVEMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, REGISTRATION THROUGH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THAT WAS MOSTLY BROUGHT UP BY THE REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT THEY PROVIDED FULL F B I BACKGROUND CHECK VERSUS JUST A SS A P D BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH IS NOW CATCHING A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD.
UM, SO WE'RE, AS A STAFF, WE WERE APPROACHING THAT, TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, UM, AND VETTING ALL CONSIDERATIONS FOR REGISTRATION.
UM, AND THEN WE CREATED A FLOW CHART THAT KINDA ALLOW US TO LOOK THROUGH THESE BACKGROUND CHECKS, UH, WHICH SOMETIMES DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WE GET, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION.
UH, WE DO TRY TO GET THE, UH, APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE ANYTHING TO CLARIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UH, ERRONEOUS INFORMATION OR IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS CLEARED UP BUT NOT INDICATED THROUGH THAT BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE DO ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT TO US AND WE DO CONSIDER THAT.
UH, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO WE TRY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF TOOL.
UH, WE VETTED THIS INTERNALLY.
WE'VE ALSO SENT THIS TO OUR LEGAL TEAM.
IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THEM, UH, BUT IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT STILL COMES TO Y'ALL.
WE, WE, WE SHOW THIS, UH, FLOW CHART EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN APPEAL.
UH, SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THE, UH, THE KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS USED BY D S D WHEN CONSIDERING, UM, US ACCEPTANCE OR DENIAL FOR REGISTRATION.
UM, SO JUST AS A BRIEF RECAP, UM, WE GET THE COMPLETE APPLICATION AND, AND SEEK SEALED F B I BACKGROUND SUBMITTED.
UM, OF COURSE IF THEY DON'T GET THAT TO US, THEN IT IS AN AUTOMATIC, UH, UM, NON-PROCESSED OR DENIAL.
UH, IF WE DO RECEIVE IT, UH, CORRECTION OCCURRED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS PRIOR TO APPLICATION.
IF YES, THEN WE SEE IF IT IS THEFT AND IF IT'S STILL A YES THERE, THEN WE ESCALATE REGISTRATION, DETERMINATION TO REVIEWING OFFICER, UH, THE REVIEWING OFFICER REQUESTS APPLICANT SUBMITTAL ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION AND CLARIFICATION, UH, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION AND RESUBMITTED WITHIN FIVE DAYS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE GO BACK AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE SEE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS, IS IT STUFF THAT YOU JUST GOT ARRESTED BUT YOU NEED, YOU DIDN'T GET CHARGED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND YOU, YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THE COURT DOCUMENTS TELLING THAT IT WENT AWAY, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY BRING TO US AND GIVE US A SIGN DATE OF AFFIDAVIT OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND GIVE US SOME DETAILS ON BEYOND JUST THE, THE ONE LINE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BACKGROUND CHECK, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE RECONSIDER THAT AND REEVALUATE THAT.
UM, IF WE RECEIVE ALL THAT, THEN WE FORWARD ALL OF DOCUMENTATION TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWS, UH, FOR THE FINAL.
SO THAT'S, IF WE SEE A THEFT AND WITHIN THE LAST, UH, 10 YEARS, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, IF ANYTHING THAT'S A FELONY, EVEN, THERE'S NO REALLY NO TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED TO THAT.
SO IF WE SEE A FELONY ON THERE, UM, THEN WE MOVE THAT DOWN TO A YES.
WE ONCE AGAIN ASK THEM FOR THE PROPER INFORMATION.
SO WE KIND OF, WHAT THAT DOES IS THEN SENDS IT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR REVIEW, UM, FOR, OR NOT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, BUT HIS DESIGNEE, UH, TO THEN REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND TRY TO GET MORE INFORMATION IF WE SEE A FELONY, UH, WHETHER IT BE WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR NOT.
UM, IF ANY OF THE VIOLENCE ARE FRAUD AGAINST ELDERLY, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOME RENOVATIONS AND UM, UH, HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
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SUSCEPTIBLE, UH, TO CONTRACTORS.SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE, UH, VERY PUT PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT IN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THAT GROUP OF THE CI CITIZENSHIP.
UM, IF IT'S NOT, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS MULTIPLE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INFRACTIONS.
SO WE SAY MULTIPLE HERE, UH, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A SIMPLE CALL OUT FROM THE, UH, TO THE COPS, THEY'LL IMMEDIATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TAKE SOMEBODY AWAY, UH, JUST FOR, BASED ON THEIR ASSUMPTION OF THE SITUATION, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING ESCALATES.
UM, SO A ONE TIME OFFENSE OF THAT, WE, WE KINDA LOOK AT AS, YOU KNOW, VERY NON, UM, CONCERNING.
UM, SO WE, WE WANNA LOOK FOR MULTIPLES, UH, SO IF WE SEE MULTIPLES, THEN WE'LL RECONSIDER THAT AND THEN SEND IT UP FOR REVIEW.
AND THEN ALSO ACROSS THE BOARD, JUST MULTIPLE INFRACTIONS.
SO IF WE SEE MULTIPLE INFRACTIONS ACROSS, UH, MANY YEARS, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOOK AT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A, UM, KIND OF A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF THAT.
UH, WE WANTED TO KIND OF SEND IT TO YOU ALL, SEE IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM THE BOARD.
UH, THE GOAL BEING IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF APPEALS THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, ESPECIALLY APPEALS THAT WE KNOW THAT, UH, YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA, YOU KNOW, TO OVERTURN, UH, ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, JEREMY, WHY DO WE TAKE THEFT AS A SEPARATE, UH, PATH ON THE, UH, THE FLOW CHART? BECAUSE I DO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME DOWN AND YOU'VE GOT ANY FELONY FRAUD AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE WHY DO YOU ISOLATE THEFT? BECAUSE BURGLARY ASSAULT, WHICH IS ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOWN HERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS, WHY YOU, YOU GO FELONY OR THEFT, BUT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD PROBABLY, UH, DETER OR WOULD IMPACT THE AWARDING OF REGISTRATION.
UM, I THINK THE, THE MAIN ONE WITH THEFT IS THAT ALSO ENCOMPASSES FRAUD.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME SOMEBODY, UH, BOUNCES A CHECK OR, OR DOES ANYTHING THAT'S KIND OF A THEFT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT, UH, CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S JUST KIND OF, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE RUN INTO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REGISTRATION AND ISSUES THAT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS COME TO US, IT'S, I PAID SOME, A CONTRACTOR TO DO SOME WORK, THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
SO THOSE ARE, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE INITIAL THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT'S NOT MORE THE VIOLENT SIDE OF THINGS, BUT WE DO CONSIDER THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
UH, BUT, BUT ALSO YOU REMEMBER THE THEFT ONE, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT IT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE FALLING UNDER SAYING, WE DON'T, WE DON'T CARE WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
WE'RE GONNA REALLY VET ALL OF THIS, BUT IF IT'S THEFT, WE ONLY REALLY LOOK AT IT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
'CAUSE WE KIND OF ASSUME THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT PERSON AT IN HIS LIFE, KIND OF WHAT HAS HIS LAST 10 YEARS BEEN LIKE? IS THERE ANYTHING AS, AS FAR AS THEFT INVOLVED, WHETHER IT BE ZERO TO $50, 50 TO A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
SO AS SOON AS WE SEE ANYTHING WITH A, WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THEFT WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE AUTOMATICALLY ESCALATE THAT.
ALL THE OTHER STUFF WE, WE SAY IF IT HAPPENED ANYWHERE AND FROM THE, THE FULL-TIME, THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK, THEN IT'S AUTOMATIC.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY ISOLATING IT OUT.
ALL THESE OTHER ONES, IT'S JUST SAYING THAT THEFT, WE'RE REALLY ONLY GONNA FOCUS ON IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP, ONE IN THE BOX THAT SAYS ANY VIOLENCE, UH, ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, SORRY.
ANY VIOLENCE OR FRAUD AGAINST ELDERLY.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT NEEDS TO INCLUDE ANY VIOLENCE OR FRAUD, INCLUDING THE ELDERLY BECAUSE IT CAN HAPPEN TO REGULAR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ELDERLY THAT ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
SO THE INTENT WOULD BE ANY VIOLENCE OR FRAUD INCLUDING THE ELDERLY OR, UM, I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW 100%.
WELL, I, I SEE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
I, AND, AND, UH, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, UM, BY A CONTRACTOR OR A SUBCONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ELDERLY.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IN YOUR THING THAT IT, IT SHOULDN'T JUST ISOLATE ANY VIOLENCE OR FRAUD AGAINST ELDERLY, IT SHOULD BE ANY VIOLENCE OR FRAUD PERIOD, INCLUDING THE ELDERLY.
I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, WELL, UM, YES OR NO, YOU DIDN'T DO IT AGAINST ELDERLY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU TOOK SOME YOUNG, A COUPLE IN THEIR FORTIES AND, UH, THEY PAID YOU A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU DIDN'T DO THE WORK.
WELL ALL, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ELDERLY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE COVERING ALL THE BASES ON THIS.
I MEAN, SO THAT TYPE WOULD BE TRIGGERED IF IT WAS DONE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE DO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, UH, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS OF HOW LONG DID THIS HAPPEN? WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE MOST RECENT TYPE STUFF.
A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS COME UP.
SO, UM, WE, WE TRY TO SAY THAT IF THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT TYPE OF ALTERCATIONS OR ISSUES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THEN WE, WE KIND OF IGNORE, UM, NOT IGNORE IT, BUT WE DON'T FACTOR THAT
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IN DURING THE FLOW CHART IF IT'S JUST A THEFT.SO WHEN LOOKING AT, ONLY WHEN IT FACTORS IN AGAINST AN ELDERLY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ISOLATING THE ELDERLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE GROUP.
UM, WHERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT DO A CATCHALL.
I FEEL LIKE IF WE GO THAT ROUTE IN ANY THEFT, AND THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, EVERY, EVERY F B I, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND CHECK THAT I'VE LOOKED AT, UH, ON SINCE WE'VE ADDED THIS PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS COME ACROSS SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ZERO TO 50 OR A HUNDRED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO, UH, SOME TYPE OF VALUATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THAT.
SO CHRIS GARCIA, SO YOU'RE TELLING US, SO FOR VIOLENCE OR FRAUD, IF IT'S RECENT, SO, UM, BEFORE THE LAST 10 YEAR OR? YEAH, NOT AFTER THE LAST 10 YEAR.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE AFTER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THAT SENDS A FLAG UP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT IF IT'S BEFORE THE, IF IT HAPPENED BEFORE 10 YEARS AGO, THEN IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY SEND THE FLAG UP.
BUT IF IT'S AGAINST, UH, IF THE VICTIMS WERE ELDERLY, THEN IT DOES SEND THE FLAG UP.
VIOLENCE WILL ALWAYS SEND THE FLAG UP.
IT, IT IS PURELY JUST THEFT, ONLY THEFT.
THAT WOULD NOT SEND THE FLAG UP.
SO ONCE WE FIRST THEY LOOK AT IT, WE'LL SAY, IS THERE ANY THEFT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS? UM, NO.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK TO SEE, UM, OH, I APOLOGIZE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, LET ME KIND OF TAKE IT THROUGH.
SO FIRST WE JUST LOOK TO SEE IS THERE ANY INFRACTION WHATSOEVER IN THE LAST 10 YEARS? IF THERE IS, THEN WE CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S THEFT.
IF IT'S NOT THEFT, UM, WE AUTOMATICALLY ESCALATE IT.
IF IT'S THEFT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THEN WE SEND THAT BACK AND WE SAY, IS IT ANY FELONY? SO IF IT'S NOT THE 50 TO A HUNDRED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO SAY, OKAY, SO IF IT'S THEFT, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, THAT'S A BIG CATCHALL.
TECHNICALLY THAT COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS THEFT IN THE F B I, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK.
SO WE SEND THAT BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IF IT, IS IT A FELONY LEVEL THEFT? NO, IT'S NOT.
WAS IT THEFT AGAINST OR, UM, AGAINST AN ELDERLY FRAUD OR, UM, ELDERLY PERSON? NO.
UM, DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE INTERACTIONS? SO, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THE THEFT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOKING DOWN THE THEFT, I'M KIND OF JUST TRASH TRASHING THEFT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF IT'S THEFT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, BUT NOT A FELONY, NOT AGAINST THE ELDERLY AND NOT MULTIPLE INFRACTIONS, THEN THEY'RE GOOD.
BUT IF WE START SEEING MULTIPLE INFRACTIONS OR IF WE SEE THAT IT WAS AGAINST THE ELDERLY, WHICH IS I, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS POINTED OUT, AND I GUESS THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD POINT TO KIND OF SUM UP THE OTHER ONE.
WE DON'T GET ALL THAT INFORMATION OF WHO WAS THAT AGAINST, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE THEFT AGAINST.
BUT THEY DO ISOLATE, UH, I THINK ON THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK OF THE ELDERLY.
THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS, UH, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH MR. HANLEY'S COMMENT.
UH, ANYBODY CAN BE, UH, VIOLATED, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, BECOME VICTIM OF A FRAUD REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE.
SO, UM, I WILL AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE WILL REMOVE AGAINST ELDERLY.
UH, I THINK THAT IF YOU RECALL THE LAST TIME WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS FLOWCHART, WE HAD A YOUNG MAN HERE WHO WAS DENIED, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A LICENSE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT LICENSE THAT WAS.
AND WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT HIS, UM, HISTORY.
'CAUSE YOU WENT BACK 10 YEARS AND I THINK WE QUESTIONED, THERE WERE SOME OF US ON THE BOARD THAT QUESTION, WHY ARE WE GOING BACK 10 YEARS BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY TODAY IS CHANGING SO DRAMATICALLY.
UM, IS THAT A MANDATE FROM, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? IS THAT A MANDATE FROM THE F B I AND WHY 10 YEARS? WHY THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER? UM, IT'S, I MEAN, THOMAS, UH, THE 10 YEARS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEFT.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON YOUR BACKGROUND, REGARDLESS IF IT HAPPENED YESTERDAY OR IT HAPPENED 30 YEARS AGO, IF IT'S NOT THEFT, YOU GO DOWN THAT LINE.
AND IS IT FELONY? IS IT VIOLENCE, FRAUD, MULTIPLE, AND, UH, ISSUES.
SO WE, WE DON'T ONLY LOOK AT 10 YEARS.
WE DO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING.
THE ONLY THING FOR THEFT IS IF IT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAD THEFT OF $200 12 YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE, WE WILL APPROVE THEM IMMEDIATELY.
BUT IF THEY HAVE FELONY 25 YEARS AGO, WE GONNA DENY IT IMMEDIATELY UNLESS THEY PROVIDE US DOCUMENTATION THAT EITHER IT'S DISMISSED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
MAX HOSFORD, AGAIN, A FOLLOW-UP COMMENT.
AND DURING THAT, UH, PRESENTATION
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BY THE YOUNG MAN, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HE WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN ORDER TO PROVE, UH, HIS INNOCENCE, UH, WE COULDN'T GET, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET, UH, DETAILED INFORMATION FROM THE F B I IF, IF YOU WILL RECALL THAT.AND SO IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO MORE OF A JUDGMENT CALL THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, UH, IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
SO OUR CONCERN AT THAT TIME WAS, UH, PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES WHEN THEY'RE TEENAGERS.
AND NOW AS THEY HAVE DEVELOPED THEIR FAMILY AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A CAREER, UH, THAT 10 YEAR, THAT MISTAKE 10 YEARS AGO WHEN HE STOLE $200, IS NOW GONNA BLOCK HIM FROM GETTING A LICENSE TO DO SOMETHING THAT HE REALLY WANTS TO DO.
SO I, I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHY WE GO BACK 10 YEARS, IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT YOU ALL THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER.
'CAUSE WE HAD THIS ONCE BEFORE COME IN FRONT OF US WHEN WE TALKED TO A YOUNG MAN ABOUT HIS, ABOUT, ABOUT HIS, UH, APPEAL.
I KNOW THAT ACTUALLY, AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING THE APPEALS, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT THE BOARD UPHELD, UH, THE DENIAL.
UH, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS HE WAS NOT PROVIDING EVEN US WHEN WE ASKED FOR IT, HE PROVIDED US SOME INFORMATION, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
ONCE AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS, WHEN WE DO GO THAT FAR BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS PLUS, IT'S VERY HARD TO, UM, EQUATE ONE THING TO ANOTHER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE ARRESTING OFFICER HAS A CASE NUMBER AND INFORMATION, AND THEN YOU GO TO A, A, A COURT CASE, AND IT DOES NOT REFERENCE THAT AT ALL.
SO WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT CORRELATION.
BUT AFTER THAT MEETING, WE WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM, GET THAT CORRELATION.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HE WAS COMPLETELY ACQUITTED OF ALL OF THAT.
SO WHILE Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE THAT PER INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL, WE WERE ABLE TO, AFTER THE FACT, UH, GET WITH HIM AND, AND, UM, AND REVERSE THAT DECISION BY THIS, BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
UM, BUT YEAH, TO THE, TO THE CASE IN POINT OF THE 10 YEARS PLUS AND STUFF, I THINK THE GOAL IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S A CAPITAL MURDER, UH, UH, ANYTHING OF THAT EGREGIOUS, LIKE WE WANT TO KNOW THE WHOLE BACKGROUND CHECK AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS VERSUS WHAT'S BEST INTEREST OF THAT ONE APPLICANT.
YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET EVERYBODY, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALSO AS, AS KIND OF THE, THE SAFEGUARD TO THE CITIZENS AND THE ONES THAT ALLOW THAT REGISTRATION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE APPEALS PROCESS COMES IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO HAVE Y'ALL, UH, BE PART OF THAT.
BUT THE GOAL OF THE FLOWCHART IS ALSO TO TRY NOT TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S AN AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, OVERTURN EVERY SINGLE TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT MIGHT BE JUST BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO I'VE SEEN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF RIGHT ON THAT LINE ANYWAYS, THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY YES AS A CITIZEN VERSUS HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW? YES.
AS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A, AS A, YOU KNOW, HUMAN AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT WANTS THEM TO WORK.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL COME TO Y'ALL WITH THAT.
BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE PRETTY EGREGIOUS THAT, I MEAN, WHEN WE DENY IT, THEY DON'T COME TO APPEAL.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THEIR PAST AND THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HOLD UP ON THE BOARD AS WELL.
I MEAN, THOMAS, AGAIN, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
ORIGINALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE WANTED TO PUT FELONIES, VIOLENCE, THEFT, ANYTHING ON THE BACKGROUND CHECK THAT NORMALLY LEADS TO DENIAL.
BUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, WE LOOKED AT IT WITH LEGAL AS WELL, AND WE SAID, IF SOMEBODY HAD THEFT PRIOR TO 10 YEARS AGO, NOW THEY GREW UP, THEY ARE MATURE.
SHOULD WE GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE? CHANCE? AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THE 10 YEARS, AND AGAIN, WE CAME UP WITH 10 YEARS, BUT THERE IS NO SCIENCE IN FINDING THAT TIME.
WE CAN'T SAY FIVE YEARS, CAN'T SAY 30 YEARS.
IF I HAD MULTIPLE THEFTS LONG TIME AGO AND FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS I DID NOT DO ANY, THEN WE SHOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
THIS IS, UH, MIKE, RUSS, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I'D SAY I, THIS WHOLE THING KIND OF MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
I SAID IT FROM THE BE BEGINNING.
I FEEL COMPELLED TO, TO SAY IT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING THE CITY AND CITY OFFICIALS IN THE POSITION OF GIVING STAMP OF APPROVAL ON PEOPLE.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IMPLYING THAT, UH, TO OUR CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS A PERMIT THAT YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE SAFE PEOPLE.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY THE ROLE THAT WE SHOULD PLAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF NEW AND IT HAS CAUSED A LOT OF OF COMPLICATIONS.
UM, AND I'M, I'M STILL A LITTLE, UM, UNEASY ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BACKGROUND CHECKING THE GUYS ON THE CREW.
WE'RE, WE'RE BACKGROUND CHECKING THE GUY THAT, OR GAL THAT PULLS THE PERMIT.
AND SO WE MIGHT BE PROVIDING A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN PULL A PERMIT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE, THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, FOR CREW, UH, CREW FOREMAN OR WHATEVER THAT SHOWS UP ON THIS SITE IS ANY SAFER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
ANOTHER IS, YOU KNOW, UM, IN OUR INDUSTRY, WELL, ANY OF US THAT HIRE ANYBODY, LOOK AT THESE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? UH, AND MY INDUSTRY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, WE BACKGROUND CHECK EVERYBODY THAT, THAT, UM, FOR THE MOST PART THAT
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COMES TO, TO RENT AN APARTMENTS.SO I SEE A LOT OF THESE AND THERE'S ALL JUST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST INFINITE VARIATIONS OF THESE.
AND I, A LOT OF IT DEFIES, YOU KNOW, FLOW CHARTS.
AND I JUST, I, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING CITY OFFICIALS IN A REALLY POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS PLACE, UH, FOR ACCUSATIONS OF DISCRIMINATION.
UM, AND BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY COMMON ACCUSATION, I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SUBJECT TO FAIR.
YOU KNOW, FAIR HOUSING IS THE LAW THAT, THAT GOVERNS MOST OF WHAT WE DO.
UM, BLANKET FELONY, UM, DENIALS, UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WAS IN VIRGINIA, I THINK A FAIR HOUSING SUIT, JUST A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR FAIR HOUSING SUIT FOR AN OPERATOR THAT DID BLANKET DENIALS ON FELONIES.
YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF LAWS, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MIGHT RUN INTO TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE.
SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST URGE CAUTION IN HOW DETAILED WE GET TO THIS AND HOW MUCH WE PUT ON THE SHOULDERS OF INDI INDIVIDUAL CITY STAFF MEMBERS.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY ALMOST UNFAIR TO THE PERSON THAT HAS TO, TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, TO MY EARLIER POINT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DO WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY MAKING THE CITY SAFER.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BACKGROUND CHECKING.
EVERYBODY THAT COMES OUT INTO A, ONTO A JOB SITE, THAT'S MUCH JUST TO RESPOND TO, TO THAT MIKE, UH, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE DO NOT BACKGROUND CHECK EVERY WORKER ON, ON THE SITE.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD OWNER, I GUESS, OR COMPANY OWNER WHO'S PULLING PERMITS AND HE'S CLEAR, HOPEFULLY HE HIRES THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
THE SECOND THING, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M THE ONE WHO'S REVIEWING THIS AT THE END, BASICALLY.
UH, AND IT IS HARD TO DENY SOMEBODY.
AND, UH, THE REASON WHY WE HAD THE FLOW CHART OR CREATED THIS IS SO PEOPLE CANNOT SAY WE ARE DISCRIMINATING.
I HAVE A FLOW CHART I'M FOLLOWING.
NOW, THERE IS A LEEWAY HERE THAT IF THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE MIGHT APPROVE IT.
SO I HAVE AT LEAST A GUIDELINE THAT I FOLLOW NOW, AND NOBODY CAN SAY, I AM ISSUING DENYING THIS PERSON, NOT THAT PERSON.
YOU KNOW, JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, DISCRIMINATION, UH, LIDDEL TOY.
UM, T D L R HAS THE 10 YEAR RULE ALSO, BUT FOR THE, UH, FELONIES, IT GOES ON FOREVER.
AND THEY'RE ALSO HAVING A, A CRIMINAL EVALUATION LETTER THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO FILL OUT TO GET LICENSED.
SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE CITY'S GOT HERE, THEY'RE, IT, IT'S A, YOU GOT, UH, THE CITY'S FALLING GUIDELINES, PROBABLY AT THE MINIMUM AS WITH T D L R, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT.
AND AS A BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, WE HIRE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DO OUR, OUR FACT FINDING ON 'EM WHEN WE DO RESUMES, BUT YOU'RE STILL NEVER GONNA GET A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, CHRIS GARCIA, ARE YOU FINDING THAT THE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS IS ENOUGH TIME FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR DOCUMENTATION WHEN, WHEN THEY, WHEN IT'S REQUESTED? IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? 'CAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND GET, WE, WE, WE TRY TO ASK THEM TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION IN FIVE DAYS.
UM, SO FAR, IF SOMEBODY COMES DAY SIX OR DAY 20, WE ARE STILL TAKING THAT INFORMATION AND WE ARE REVIEWING IT, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CLOSE THOSE CASES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE TIMEFRAME ON IT.
BUT, UM, IF, IF THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH COURT TO GET THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT MIGHT BE A MONTH, THEN THAT'S OKAY.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMMUNICATING WITH YOU, HEY, I'M TRYING TO GET DOCUMENTS FROM THIS MUNICIPALITY OR THIS COUNTY, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY'RE OKAY, THEY CAN DO THAT.
DO WE, DO WE RE REFUND THE MONEY OF THE APPLICATION WHEN WE DENY IT? YES, WE DO.
SO I THINK, YEAH, ULTIMATELY, I MEAN THEIR RECOURSE COULD BE, UH, JUST LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE APPEAL AS WELL, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GET THAT INITIAL DENIAL, GET THAT REFUND, THEN THEY GO AND GET THAT PAPERWORK, THEY CAN PRESENT THAT THEIR F B I RAG GROUND CHECK IS STILL GOOD.
UM, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE, THE LIMIT ON THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN KIND OF JUST REAPPLY WITH THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND FOR SOME REASON THEY GET TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES EXTEND OUT TOO LONG AND WE DO KIND OF SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT IT.
THEY DO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, TO REAPPLY.
UM, ARE WE GETTING COMPLAINTS ON THE PROCESS OR, OR, UH, WHAT IS THE, WE OKAY WITH THIS PROCESS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO US OR WE HAVE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING I, AND ARE WE GETTING, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM THE CITIZENS THAT WE'RE BEING TOO HARSH OR NO, THIS IS PURELY
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AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL THAT, AT THE BOARD THAT WE, UM, BRING THE, BRING THIS UP.IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE ALWAYS FLASHING THIS FLOW CHART IN FRONT OF Y'ALL WHILE WE HAVE THE APPELLANTS HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO, SO WE'VE JUST BEEN KIND OF ADDING THAT TO THE AGENDA TO WHERE WE HAD SOME TIME TO SIT DOWN AND, AND DISCUSS IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, GET SOME FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE COUNCIL THAT, OR FROM THE BOARD THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IF WE WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES, SUCH AS REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR ELDERLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TIMEFRAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE NUMBER OF DAYS, THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WE GO BACK, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE GOAL IS WE MAKE THE DECISION BASED OFF THIS FLOW CHART, BUT ULTIMATELY A LOT OF THAT TIME, THAT DECISION IMMEDIATELY COMES RIGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO IF WE CAN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE OF HOW THAT DECISION IS BEING MADE SO THAT WHEN WE PRESENT IT TO Y'ALL, YOU'RE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF AWARE OF WHAT PROCESS WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN.
UM, SO YOU CAN FACTOR THAT IN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE BOARD COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? BUT I JUST WANNA, I DO WANNA STATE THAT, UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER.
THE, THESE CASES ARE PROBABLY THE MOST CHALLENGING ONES FOR ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON.
YES, THESE INDIVIDUALS, THEY PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
SO YEAH, THESE ARE THE MOST CHALLENGING CASES.
SO, AND THEY CAN IMAGINE THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RENT, IF YOU SAY YOU OWN A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, THEY GOTTA LIVE SOMEWHERE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE, THEY PAID THEIR DEBT, THEY GOTTA LIVE SOMEWHERE.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR OTHER TENANTS AND YOU ALSO WANT TO TRY TO NOT PUT PEOPLE IN A SITUATION.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH RECIDIVISM AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.
BUT UM, YEAH, THESE ARE THE MOST CHALLENGING CASES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
BUT, UM, NOW WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS AND ADDRESS THE FLOW CHART AND WE KNOW WHY THE CITY HAS TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO, WE'VE BEEN A LOT MORE ACTIVE AS A BOARD BECAUSE OF THESE KIND OF CASES.
AND IT, I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH NOW SINCE, UM, SINCE YOU SWITCHED TO DOING THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECKS.
'CAUSE WE SEE PEOPLE COMING BEFORE US WITH THINGS FROM OTHER STATES.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS? IF NOT, THEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS, IS DONE.
UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD TODAY? UH, NO CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? NOPE.
ANY ADDITIONAL BOARD COMMENTS? UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENTS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, JUST REAL QUICK.
SO, UM, AS WE'VE KIND OF ALLUDED TO IN THE OTHER, UM, I THINK THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING, THE, UH, STATE OF TEXAS DID ADOPT THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA I C C CODE.
THAT WOULD GO IN EFFECT INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST, I BELIEVE 2018 OR 2019.
I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? UH, SO WE DID, UH, GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE SOME FOR, UH, STAFF OR FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO HAVE.
SO WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE SIGN OUT SHEET FOR YOU.
UM, GET YOU ALL THOSE AND WE'LL START LOOKING AT IN, UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER OR OUR DECEMBER TIMEFRAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
INTERNALLY, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CODE, UM, SEEING WHAT TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE AS FAR AS AMENDMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE, IF WE NEED TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, I THINK WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIMES FOR, OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEETINGS TO CREATE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE BEFORE TODAY.
UNLESS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, WELL, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, UH, VOTE ON IT ANYWAYS, BUT WE'LL, WE CAN ADD THAT TO ONE OF THE FUTURE MEETINGS TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW THAT AND THEN KINDA GO FROM THERE.
UM, THE OTHER STAFF COMMENT, UM, SO ONE THING I BROUGHT, UH, UM, WANTED TO ASK WAS ABOUT APPEALS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE SEEN APPEALS IN REGARDS TO CODES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU READ THE APPEAL PROCESS, THE IB 1 44, UM, THEY, THEY REQUIRE THAT THEY PRO PROVIDE, I THINK IT'S 12 COPIES OF ALL THEIR DOCUMENTATION.
THIS APPLIES TO THE, UH, F B I BACKGROUND CHECK AS WELL.
I, IN THE INTEREST OF BEING GREEN, MY AS, AS THE ONE THAT KIND OF ACCEPTS THAT, THAT, UH, DOCUMENTATION AND THE APPEALS AND APPROVES IT AND KINDA STARTS REACHING OUT TO YOU ALL TO SCHEDULE THESE.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO NIG, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T GO AHEAD AND PRINT THIS STUFF OUT.
UH, I USUALLY GET A A P D F COPY OF IT.
IF THEY GIVE US A SINGLE COPY OF IT, WE CAN MAKE A P D F OF IT AND I SEND THAT INFORMATION TO Y'ALL.
UM, SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY GOOD WITH THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION, UM, BEING SENT OUT AS A P D F FORMAT FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW, UH, ALONG WITH THE MEETING AMOUNTS ANNOUNCEMENT AND THEN ALSO PRESENTING IT, UH, TO Y'ALL ON, ON THE BOARD.
I CAN ALSO, IF Y'ALL'S REQUEST, I CAN GO AHEAD AND I THINK DOWNLOAD IT ONTO THE COMPUTERS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT ARE NOT BEING USED BY, UM, THAT, SO Y'ALL CAN KIND OF OPEN THAT STUFF UP AS WELL.
ONE COMMENT I HAD WAS WHEN WE START GETTING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IF WE DO GET ANOTHER APPEAL, THERE'S MORE CHAPTER 10, UH, RELATED WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE DETAILED CODE ANALYSIS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHAT WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE PRINTED OUT? UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD THE D H R ONE THAT KIND OF INITIATED, UH, THIS MEETING THAT DID GET PULLED OFF THE AGENDA AND I'M, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T THINK WE'D ADDRESSED THAT, BUT THAT, THAT ORIGINAL APPEAL, THEY DID MEET WITH CITY STAFF AFTERWARDS AND WE DID
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COME UP WITH COMPROMISE THAT WORKED, UH, BOTH FOR, UH, THE CODE REQUIREMENT AND FOR THE, UH, DEVELOPER AND, UH, ARCHITECT.SO THAT WAS, UM, PULLED OFF THE AGENDA BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, SHE WAS ASKING, WHAT, WHAT DO I NEED TO PRESENT? AND I WAS LIKE, WELL FIRST LET'S JUST GIMME A P D F OF YOUR PRESENTATIONS.
I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT WONDER, YOU GOTTA GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEL FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD OF WHAT Y'ALL WANNA SEE.
UM, I HAD ONE BOARD MEMBER REACH OUT TO ME, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SET OF DRAWINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF, IF IT IS DRAWING RELATED, MAYBE A SMALL SCALE OF THAT PRINTED OFF.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT OUT, UP INFORMATION UP FRONT AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO Y'ALL, UH, BUT NOT BE, YOU KNOW, PRINTING OFF A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WE DON'T NEED TO.
SO IF THERE'S ANY BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS, I CAN TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN, UM, ADDRESSING THESE APPEALS.
YEAH, AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S A, A, THE SHEET THAT YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS TO SIGN THAT YOU RECEIVED THE BOOK, UM, REGARDING PRINTING.
I'M, I'M FINE WITH PDFS AND LOADING STUFF ON THE MACHINE ON THE COMPUTER SO WE CAN PULL 'EM UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD'S COMMISSIONS.
UM, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH HARD COPIES.
UM, DO WE WANNA DO THAT MAYBE ON A INDIVIDUAL BASIS OR WHAT'S THE GENERAL FIELD, YOU GUYS, ARE YOU GUYS COOL WITH PDFS OR DO YOU WANNA STILL SEE A HARD COPY? THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, THE COMMENT THAT, UH, JEREMY REFERRED TO AS MINE WHEN THE LASER TAG ISSUE BEFORE IT WAS PULLED, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, UH, SOMETIMES I'D LIKE TO HAVE A HARD COPY, UH, INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT IT ON THEIR COMPUTER.
UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A 24 BY 36, 11 BY 17, BUT THAT WAS, UH, I THINK THAT THE COMMENT THAT WE DO IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, I DON'T NEED ALL OF THE TEXT HARD COPIED, BUT ANYTHING THAT HAS DRAWINGS TO REVIEW FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE THIS BOARD, I USUALLY LIKE A HARD COPY OF THE DRAWINGS ONLY.
BUT I'LL DO THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I THINK I COULD JUST TELL THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY DRAWINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF YOUR APPEALS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION THEY WANNA PRESENT TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR LEISURE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ASK AND I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT THEM TO SEE IT, HAVE IT HANDS ON AND GET MORE INFORMATION OUT OF THE DRAWINGS OR A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO GO AHEAD AND GIMME A GOOD, UH, HARD COPY OF THAT.
BUT I THINK EVERYTHING'S DIGITALLY, WE CAN HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AT YOUR INDIVIDUAL COMPUTERS AND THEN ALSO PRESENT IT ON THE BOARD, UH, DURING THEIR PRESENTATION.
UM, DOES THE BOARD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? SO FOR INSTANCE, THE PACKAGE THAT COMES IN, THEY JUST SHOW, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL FLOOR PLAN, BUT IF WE WANTED TO SEE THE ENTIRE SET OR UH, A BUILDING SECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY MR. CHAIRMAN TO UH, TO REQUEST THAT YES, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT? UH, NORMALLY, I MEAN, WE PROVIDE YOU EVERYTHING WE GOT, UH, DURING THE HEARING.
YOU, YOU CAN ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION NOW IF YOU NEED, IF YOU KNOW YOU NEED SOME INFORMATION PRIOR TO THE MEETING, LET US KNOW AND IF WE HAVE IT, WE WILL PROVIDE IT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU DO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION, IT'S DIRECTLY TO ME AND NOT, UH, COPY YOU ALL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH THE BOARD COMMUNICATING OUTSIDE THE BOARDROOM.
BUT YEAH, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ALWAYS AMEND THAT BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND IF THEIR LEISURE, THEY CAN BRING IT.
ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR, THEY'RE BRINGING THE CASE TO YOU ALL SO THAT YOU SHOULD BE TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO CLARIFY EVERYTHING AND ANY UNKNOWNS Y'ALL WOULD'VE TO FACTOR INTO YOUR DECISION.
UH, ROBERT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU WANT THE HARD COPY FOR DRAWINGS THE DAY OF THE MEETING OR ARE WE GONNA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DELIVER THOSE TO YOU PRIOR? LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GOAL HERE OR HOW DO YOU WANT US TO HANDLE IT? THE, UH, THE, THE RESPO, WHAT I HAD WAS AS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OF THE DRAWINGS IN THE ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT THAT JEREMY I SENT OUT BEFORE IT WAS RESOLVED.
UM, AND YEAH, I I, LIKE I TOLD HIM, I SAYS I'LL TAKE 'EM HOME IN THE EVENING AND HAVE BETTER TIME TO STUDY 'EM AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UH, SO THAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE APPEAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY ON THAT.
I, JUST LOOKING AT IT ON A SMALL, UH, MONITOR ON MY LAP ON MY DESKTOP IS NOT AS GOOD AS HAVING A HARD COPY FOR ME.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I MADE THE REQUEST TO JEREMIAH YESTERDAY, I ASKED IF THERE WOULD BE A HARD COPY HANDOUT.
UH, AND THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR.
BUT I'LL, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I MEAN, I'LL DO IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT I'D LIKE HAVING A, A PAPER COPY IN FRONT OF ME TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE AN OFFICE IN OUR BUILDING, SO WE SEE YOU EVERY DAY
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IF WE HAVE HARD COPIES HERE FOR THEM AND THEY DON'T COME PICK IT UP, I I DON'T WANNA WASTE PAPER.I DON'T WANNA WASTE, YOU KNOW, PRINTING IF IF IT'S NOT NEEDED.
YEAH, DON'T EVER MAKE A COPY UNLESS I REQUEST IT AND I WILL PICK IT UP.
I'LL JUST WALK DOWN FROM MY OFFICE IN THE UPPER CORNER OVER HERE,
YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, JOKES ASIDE, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS KIND OF CASE BY CASE AND IF SOMEBODY, AND THEN JUST LET THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHEN YOU GET THESE CASES, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, ASK CITY STAFF FOR MORE INFORMATION IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.
I KNOW FOR SOME OF THE, SOME OF THESE BACKGROUND CHECK CASES HAVE ASKED, IS THIS ALL THEY SUBMITTED? AND SOMETIMES ALL WE HAVE IS THE FORM THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY.
UM, BUT THAT WILL, WE'LL SORRY, SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER ISSUES, EMAILING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE ALWAYS FREE TO, TO RESPOND TO STAFF AND ASK QUESTIONS FOR MORE INFORMATION, STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
AND IF YOU NEED THAT HARD COPY YOU CAN CONTACT THEM AND SEE WHEN IT'LL BE AVAILABLE AND PICK IT UP OR ASK FOR THE P D F.
AND THEN I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE LARGE PRINTERS IN OUR OFFICES THAT CAN HANDLE A 32 BY UH, 24, 24 BY 36.
NOW, IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT WE GET, UM, SOME APPLICANTS WHEN THEY APPEAL OUR DECISION, THEY DO NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING BUT THE COVER SHEET.
UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE COPY OF THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE IT TO US, WE CAN'T SEND IT TO YOU AT THAT TIME DURING THE MEETING.
IF YOU WISH TO SEE IT, WE CAN HAVE IT THERE.
UM, SO TECHNICALLY WHEREVER WE GET FROM THEM, YOU GET SOME OF THE, UH, APPLICANTS, THEY, UH, DIDN'T APPEALED AND THEY GAVE US THE WHOLE PACKAGE AND WE JUST FORWARD THAT TO YOU.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GOTTEN WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO SEE WHEN THEY WANNA START SEEING APPLICATIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENT OR APPOINTMENTS? I'VE REACHED OUT TO 'EM.
I HAVE YET TO GET A CALL BACK, BUT I, I AM PRESSING WITH THEM 'CAUSE I DO HAVE, UH, TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUT IN APPLICATION.
ONE OF 'EM ALSO ALSO RECEIVED THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO DO HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANCIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL.
UH, BUT YEAH, SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF THAT BUDGET SEASON, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY SWAMPED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT MY GOAL WILL BE TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE EARLY FALL, UH, TO KIND OF RE UH, ADD SOME MORE BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL, FILL SOME OF THE OTHER VACANCIES AND THEN, UH, GET EVERYBODY REAFFIRMED.
ROBERT HANLEY? JEREMY, UH, UH, IF, UM, JEREMY, IF, IF I HAVE SOMEBODY BECAUSE THERE'S A VACANCY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL SLOT, UH, AND I, I DID HAVE, ALDI WAS PURSUING IT, BUT SHE DROPPED IT.
BUT IF I HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE AND I RECRUIT FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL ALTERNATE, DO THEY CONTACT YOU? YES.
THAT'D BE A GREAT POINT TO CONTACT.
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ANY OTHER ITEMS? I JUST WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR COMING TODAY.OKAY, IT IS 10 48 AND MEETING ADJOURNED.