[00:00:11] >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL SESSION. THE TIME IS 2:11 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 20TH, 2024. WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLL? >> CLERK: MAYOR, WE HAVE A QUORUM. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYBODY. TODAY IS THE MEETING SCHEDULED THROUGH MEMO BY [ ITEMS] COUNCILMEMBERS CABELLO HAVRDA, CASTILLO AND WHITE. ERIK, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US? >> WALSH: YES, SIR. SO LIZ IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THE COMMITTEES, OR COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS, THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO JUST OUTLINING HOW MANY MEMBERS, THE GENERAL PROCESS AND WHAT GOVERNS THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONS, BOARDS OR TASK FORCES. SO THAT'S JUST MEANT TO BE -- TO SET THE TABLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION. LIZ? >> THANK YOU, MANAGER. WE'LL START, AND JUST BY PURPOSES OF REORIENTING EVERYONE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'LL BE COVERING TODAY, WE WILL START WITH THE CHARTER ARE E VIEW COMMISSION, WE'LL GO INTO OPPORTUNITY HOME, THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING COMMISSION, THE CPS BOARD OF TRUSTEES, SAUCE AND VIA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT. WE'LL GET STARTED ON THE CHARTER ARE E VIEW COMMISSION WITH THE FIRST SLIDE REFLECTING OUR 2014 ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES FOR 13 MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. AND THAT CAME OUT OF A GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION BACK IN 2014, AND THE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES THAT ARE OUTLINED AS A RESULT OF THAT ORDINANCE INCLUDES SEVEN COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES, TWO MEMBERS THAT MUST BE ELECTED CITY OFFICIALS, ONE MEMBER THAT'S A CITY -- A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE, ONE MEMBER WITH EXPERTISE IN MUNICIPAL LAW. A MEMBER WITH EXPERTISE IN HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT, AND A MEMBER WITH EXPERTISE IN MUNICIPAL FINANCE. THEY MUST BE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY AND HOLD THAT STATUS THROUGHOUT THE TERM OF THEIR APPOINTMENT, WHICH IS TWO YEARS THAT ARE COTERM NOWS WITH CITY COUNCIL TERMS. GOING ON TO OPPORTUNITY HOME, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY UNDER STATUTE, AND THAT STATUTE PROVIDES THAT THE PRESIDING OFFICER, IN OUR INSTANCE THE MAYOR, OF THE COUNCIL APPOINTS SEVEN PERSONS TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. NOW, THIS ACTUALLY PROVIDES FOR VARYING COMPOSITIONS. YOU CAN HAVE A FIVE, SEVEN, NINE, OR 11-MEMBER BOARD. HISTORICALLY, MOST RECENTLY, WE HAVE HAD A SEVEN-PERSON BOARD. WITH THAT SEVEN-PERSON BOARD, TWO OF THOSE HAVE TO BE RENTERS THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL HOUSING VOUCHERS OR ARE RECIPIENTS OF FEDERAL HOUSING PROGRAMS. AND, OF COURSE, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MUST COME THROUGH STATE LAW FOR THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT GOVERNS -- MOVING ON TO OUR SAN ANTONIO HOUSING COMMISSION, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2019, PROVIDES FOR NINE MEMBERS, EACH SERVING STAGGERED TWO-YEAR TERMS. IT PROVIDES FOR FIVE AT-LARGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND THOSE MEMBERS MUST DEMONSTRATE A HISTORY OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND/OR APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. THE FOUR REMAINING MEMBERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS THE CEO OR THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FOLLOWING: OPPORTUNITY HOME, SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, TBRAILTER SATX AND THE VIA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT DISTRICT. THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE CHAIR FROM THOSE MEMBERS. MOVING ON TO OUR CPS ENERGY BOARD OF TRUSTEES, STATE LAW PROVIDES FOR THE MANAGEMENT IN CONTROL OF CPS BY EITHER CITY COUNCIL OR A FIVE-MEMBER BOARD OF TRUSTEES, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, AND ONE OF THOSE MUST BE THE MAYOR. THE BOND CONVENANCE PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL AS VESTED WITHIN THAT FIVE-PERSON BOARD. AND THOSE TRUSTEES MUST RESIDE IN BEXAR COUNTY, ARE NOMINATED BY THE CPS BOARD, AND CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE IS A QUADRANT [00:05:05] REPRESENTATION, SO THAT EACH OF THOSE FOUR MEMBERS COME FROM EACH OF THOSE QUADRANTS IN THE CITY. REPRESENT TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED USERS. THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT ONE MEMBER BE A UNION REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS NOMINATED BY THE UNION. THE COUNCIL DOES APPROVE THOSE APPOINTMENTS. AROUNAND WITH THAT, I WANTED TO THANK OUR GUESTS THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, WHICH INCLUDE BONNIE PROSSERELDER, WHO IS HERE FROM VIA AND THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE. WE ALSO HAVE ED GUZMAN FROM SAUCE, GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND SHANNON RAMIREZ FROM CPS COUNSEL'S OFFICE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL AND MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, LIZ. AS YOU KNOW THERE WAS A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO FILED IN THE WAKE OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE'S DECISION TO REFER SELECT APPOINTMENT PROCESS SEES TO A SUN SET COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND DETERMINE BEST PRACTICES AS IT RELATES TO FILLING POSITIONS ON BOARDS AND PRESENTATIONS. MANY OF THE COMMITTEES REFERRED TO ARE GOVERNED BY STATUTES THAT LIMIT OUR AUTHORITY TO ALTER THEIR RESPECTIVE APPOINTMENT PROCESS SEES. ADDITIONALLY, GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE ARRIVED AT THE DECISION TO REFER CERTAIN PROCESSEES TO A SUNSET COMMITTEE LARGELY BECAUSE MANY OF US HAVE 200 DAYS LEFT IN OUR ROLES. AT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE SERVING A FOUR-YEAR TERM. GOVERNMENT PROCESSEES ARE ALWAYS FAIR GAME FOR REEXAMINATION TO ENSURE THEY CONTINUE TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. AS IT RELATES TO OUR AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE WAY SOME OF THESE AUTHORITIES ARE APPOINTED, IN MANY CASES WE DON'T HAVE THAT POWER. AND IF WE'RE TO BE COG ANY SAPT OF HOW LITTLE TIME WE HAVE IN THESE POSITIONS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD CHANGE THE RULES FOR OUR MEETING SUCCESSORS. LAST, I WOULD LIKE TO -- I WANT TO ISSUE A THANKS TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE ANSWERED THE CALL TO SERVE ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED TODAY. I ALSO WANT TO ASSURE EACH OF THEM THAT TODAY'S CONVERSATION IS NOT A REFLECTION OF THEIR SERVICE OR THEIR CHARACTER. WE MAY DISCUSS THE TYPES OF EXPERTISE OR EXPERIENCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS WE CONSIDER HOW TO BEST MAINTAIN OUR CITY'S MOMENTUM, BUT ULTIMATELY, I'M EXTREMELY GRATEFUL TO THOSE WHO WORK TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITY, OFTENTIMES, MOST TIMES, WITHOUT COMPENSATION AND WITHOUT THE LEVEL OF GRATITUDE THAT YOU DESERVE. AND SO WITH THAT, LET'S BEGIN OUR COUNCIL CONVERSATION NOW. WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER HAVRDA AS WELL AS WELL AS COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE FOR SIGNING ONTO THE THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO. I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR ANDY. THE MEMO DID STATE THAT THIS MEETING WOULD BE USED TO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON, YET THE AGENDA LNL SAYS DISCUSSION. WOULD COUNCIL BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM, ANDY? >> SEGOVIA: QUAM, BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED AS ONLY DISCUSSION, THERE WON'T BE ANY ABILITY TO MAKE A MOTION -- AUDIO] -- ASK THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION, BUT THERE CAN'T BE A VOTE. AND THAT DECISION -- I MEAN, ERIK CAN TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WAS POSTED. >> WALSH: YEAH. COUNCILWOMAN, WE TOOK THE POSTING OFF THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MEMO FOR TODAY'S SESSION. OBVIOUSLY, ANY ACTION OR DIRECTION OR CONVERSATION WILL BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR ACTION. >> CASTILLO: AND ON THAT NOTE, I'D LIKE TO SEE [00:10:03] BEST PRACTICES ON THE LAST SUBMITTED MEMOS IF IT INCLUDED "AND POSSIBLE ACTION," AND I'M HAVING ISSUE WITH WHY ACTION WASN'T INCLUDED, BUT I'LL DIGRESS BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY. THANK YOU, LIZ, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I CHALLENGE THE SENTIMENT THAT GIVEN THAT IT'S 200 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION TIME THAT WE SHOULD SIT ON OUR HANDS. I BELIEVE IT'S GOOD GOVERNANCE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK, DESPITE IT BEING 100 DAYS, 30 DAYS BEFORE ELECTIONS. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO GOVERN AND WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO AND SITTING ON OUR HANDS FOR 200 DAYS BECAUSE OF AN ELECTION IS UNACCEPTABLE. BUT WITH THAT, OFTENTIMES WHAT I HEAR FROM SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS WITH THE BOARDS AND APPOINTMENT PROCESS, PARTICULARLY WITH OPPORTUNITY HOME AND/OR VIA ARE OFTENTIMES THOUGHTS, IDEAS AND/OR CONCERNS ABOUT ACTIONS BEING TAKEN WITHIN THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND I GET ASKED BY CONSTITUENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU APPOINTED THIS INDIVIDUAL, YOU -- YOU KNOW, LIKE COUNCIL MADE THIS DECISION. AND I SAY YES AND NO, YOU KNOW, BUT OFTENTIMES I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PASSING THE BUCK. BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S VIA, OPPORTUNITY HOME, WE DO VOTE ON IT DURING AN A SESSION, BUT THE CANDIDATE POPS UP TWO DAYS WHEN THE AGENDA'S POSTED, AND WE CAN PULL THE ITEM AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF THAT CANDIDATE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. I FEEL THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE A STRUCTURE IN WHICH COUNCIL CAN DEBATE, DISCUSS THE MERITS OF INDIVIDUALS TO BE APPOINTED TO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORIGINAL MEMO HAD MENTIONED DISTRICT-SPECIFIC APPOINTMENTS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IN CONVERSATION WITH THE MAJOMAYOR THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST PRACTICE FOR SOME BOARDS AND POSITIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE VALUE IF STAFF CAN EVALUATE FOR OPPORTUNITY HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, DESPITE THAT BEING REGULATED BY STATE STATUTE, CAN CITY COUNCIL CREATE A POLICY IN WHICH WE DEBATE/DISCUSS POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO THEN PRESENT TO THE MAYOR FOR CONSIDERATION. NOT DIRECT THE MAYOR, BUT ESSENTIALLY CREATE A SHORT LIST OF CANDIDATES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION ARE THE TOP ISSUES THAT RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT, WHETHER IT'S EVIDENT IN THE 2024 BUDGET SURVEY AND THE 2025 BUDGET SURVEY, AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SIT WITH THE RESUMES AND ENSURE THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED TO REPRESENT AND MAKE THESE TOUGH DECISIONS ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GOALS THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS ESTABLISHED, WHETHER IT BE WITH THE SA TOMORROW PLAN, THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE SA FORWARD PLAN, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS THAT WE'VE SPENT MONEY ON BY HIRING CONSUL TABTS AND ARE ALIGNMENT AND HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED WITH WEEKS AND SOMETIMES MONTHS AND YEARS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO MY EXPECTATION AND REQUEST WOULD BE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH FOR COUNCIL TO CREATE A POLICY AND/OR A PROCESS IN WHICH -- WHETHER IT'S THE ENTIRE FULL COUNCIL AND/OR SUBCOMMITTEE TO DEBATE AND DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THESE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE POLICY MAKING POWER, RIGHT, AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE ENTIRE CITY. LIST HAS INCREASED. AND I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT WHO'S SITTING ON THAT BOARD. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THEIR EXPERTISE, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES, AND HOW CAN WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE LOWERING THAT LIST, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ENTERING CONVERSATIONS AROUND TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, VERY HEATED TOPIC. I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY IS THERE AN EMPTY GARAGE IN THE NORTH SIDE, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR CONSTITUENCY AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE, I THINK IT'S GOOD GOVERNANCE, DESPITE THE TIME OF THE YEAR OR THE TIME CLOSE TO ELECTIONS OR NOT, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING PROCESSES IN PLACE WHERE THE ELECTED INDIVIDUALS HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHO GETS APPOINTED TO THESE VERY IMPACTFUL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT WITH THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW, AND I'LL CHIME BACK IN IN A MINUTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I'M THANKFUL TO COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO FOR BRINGS THIS DOES CUSHION FORWARD. THIS BEGAN AS COUNCILWOMAN CCR AND THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE DIDN'T SEE FIT AT THAT TIME TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HERE. THE GOVERNANCE DISCUSSION DID INCLUDE A SUNSETTING COMMITTEE, AND I DO AGREE WITH THE SUN SOCIAL SECURITY SETTING COMMITTEE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT BUT LOOKING AT THE CHARGES AND STRUCTURE OF EACH COMMITTEE, I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY, BUT ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE APPOINT TO. I SIGNED ON TO THIS MEMO FOR THREE SPECIFIC REASONS. REPRESENTATION, TRANSPORTATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE TRULY REFLECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. I'M BEING VERY FRANK [00:15:02] HERE, BUT IT'S TIME TO BRING MORE VOICES TO THE TABLE. A LOT OF TIMES IN THESE POSITIONS WE SEE THE SAME PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM DIFFERENT BOARDS, SO IT'S TIME TO BRING MORE DIVERSITY FROM OUR CITY. THE PROCESSES AS EXPLAINED TODAY REQUIRES MAYBE POTENTIAL CHARTER CHANGES OR IN SOME CASES STATE LAW CHANGES, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT HERE TODAY, BUT I DO WANT US TO LOOK MORE TOWARDS ACCOUNTABILITY REPRESENTATION AND TRANSPARENCY. SO I HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS FOR THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT APPOINTMENTS ARE REFLECTING OUR DIVERSITY. THE NUMBER ONE THING IS TO INCLUDE ALL COUNCILMEMBERS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE IN SOME PLACES ONE APPOINTEE. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CPS, WE HAVE AN POINT TEE, A COUNCIL APPOINTEE. IN THIS INSTANCE, THE MAYOR. BUT WE HAVEN'T HISTORICALLY -- I GUESS I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PERSON WITH THESE QUALITIES IN THESE POSITIONS. THERE'S NO FORMAL PROCESS FOR THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME PROCESS FOR THAT, AND NOT JUST INCLUDING COUNCILMEMBERS, BUT ALSO MAKING THE NOMINATION PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT. I KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT BY SETTING CLEAR PUBLIC CRITERIA FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS, HAVING PUBLIC FORUMS TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITIES' INPUT ON THAT, EXPANDING OUTREACH, INCREASING DIVERSITY. AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE THE SAME PEOPLE BEING APPOINTED TO THESE PANELS, AND THEN EVEN MAYBE CREATE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS WHEN THERE'S A POSITION THAT'S AVAILABLE ON ANY OF THESE VERY PUBLIC BOARDS. I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE REGULAR REVIEWS AND ROTATIONS. SOMETIMES WE BRING -- WE APPOINT THEM AS COUNCILMEMBERS, THEY COME HERE AND WE DON'T REALLY SEE THEM AGAIN AT COUNCIL, RIGHT, UNLESS THEY'RE GIVING A SPECIFIC PRESENTATION ABOUT CPS OR SAUCE OR OPPORTUNITY HOME, WHATEVER IT IS, WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING ANY MEASUREMENTS OF HOW THEY'RE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO PUBLICLY CREATE A CLEAR RATIONALE FOR THE APPOINTMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, IT'S HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN WHY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WERE CHOSEN AND TO HAVE A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS, I THINK, WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THAT DIRECTION. SO I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING SAN ANTONIO'S LEADERSHIP MORE INCLUSIVE AND ACCOUNTABLE, ALL IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE? >> WHYTE: YEAH, THANKSGIVING, MAYOR. I'LL BE REAL SHORT, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA FOR REALLY INITIATING THIS THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO. I THINK THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF OUR THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION TO THE FOREFRONT, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. TO ME, THIS IS REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE. IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. AND I SORT OF EQUATE THIS A LITTLE BIT TO -- TO US REVAMPING THE CCR PROCESS LAST YEAR, RIGHT? I THINK THAT EACH OF US, WE ALL REPRESENT OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, AND WE ALL NEED TO BE HAVING INPUT IN -- JUST LIKE WE WANTED TO HAVE INPUT ON POLICY CHANGES THROUGH THE CCR PROCESS, I THINK THERE'S IMPORTANT WORK THAT'S DONE THROUGH THESE BOARDS, AND AS COUNCILMEMBERS, WE SHOULD HAVE INPUT AS TO WHO SITS ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SO THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HAVING A SAY. SO TO ME, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ALLOWING FOR EACH DISTRICT IN SOME SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION TO HAVE REPRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF REVAMPING THE PROCESS, BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. COUNCILMEMBER ALDARETE GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN TERI CASTILLO WHO FILED THE INITIAL CCR, AND I WAS GLAD TO SIGN ONTO IT. I DO THINK THAT HAVING REPRESENTATION FROM EACH DISTRICT IS IMPORTANT ON BOARDS, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES THAT IMPACT THE WHOLE CITY. YOU KNOW, I -- IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, COUNCILMEMBERS DON'T GET TO PROVIDE INPUT. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, I WANT TO THANK BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME AND SERVICE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO CAN'T LET THAT VOLUNTEER COMPONENT -- LET THEM LOOSE FROM LETTING US KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING AND LETTING US KNOW -- TRACKING THEIR ACCOUNTABILITY. DISTRICT 7, ALL MY APPOINTEES SEND NOTES AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I FEEL LIKE WITH SOME OF THESE CITYWIDE BOARDS, IT'S A BLACK HOLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT INTO THE NOMINATION PROCESS FOR CANDIDATES. I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE HEARING DIRECTLY FROM [00:20:03] RESIDENTS WHAT'S IMPACTING THEM, WE KNOW THE TOUGH QUESTIONS TO ASK, WE KNOW THE EXPERTISE THAT BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- SHOULD HAVE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA, SOMETIMES IT IS THE SAME CIRCUIT OF FOLKS, AND SO WE -- WE ALL HAVE AMAZING ROCK STARS IN EACH OF OUR DISTRICT, AND SO NOW WE -- WE SHOULD HAVE INPUT SO THAT WE CAN PUT THEM UP TO BAT, TOO. NOT SURE THE EXACT ACTION TO CHANGE THAT, BUT DEFINITELY ALIGNED WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS. THANKS. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ALDARETE GAVITO. COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE? >> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, APPOINTING PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SINCE I GOT ON COUNCIL, AND I'VE HAD 25 EITHER BREAKFAST OR LUNCH MEETINGS WITH THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. EVERY QUARTER, I HAVE -- INVITE THEM TO COME TOGETHER AND I ASK EACH OF THEM, TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON ON YOUR BOARD OR YOUR COMMISSIONER YOUR COMMITTEE. WHAT ARE YOU DISCUSSING? WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON? WILL YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE? BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE PUBLIC REPRESENTATION ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE REPRESENTING LITERALLY THE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST THE COUNCILMEMBER. SO I ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, TELL THEM WHAT YOU DO ON YOUR BOARD, AND IF SOMEBODY ASKS YOU, WELL, I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE LIBRARY, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THEM WHO IS THE COMMISSIONER FROM OUR DISTRICT ON THE LIBRARY BOARD OR ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD OR... ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND I FEEL THAT'S WORKED VERY WELL. BUT THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME AND GONE AND THEY NO LONGER WANTED TO SERVE, AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE THAT POSITION. AND OFTENTIMES I'VE FOUND CHALLENGES IN FINDING SOMEBODY TO GO AHEAD AND FILL THAT POSITION. AND OFTENTIMES I'VE HAD BOARD MEMBERS COME TO ME AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MEET FOR A MONTH OR TWO OR LONGER BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE VACANCIES ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. SO IT -- I DON'T THINK ANY SOLUTION IS SIMPLY, WELL, LET'S LET THE COUNCIL APPOINT EVERYBODY AND THAT SHOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE EVEN PEOPLE WHO I'VE APPOINTED OR YOU HAVE APPOINTED, SOMETIMES DON'T SHOW UP OR CAN'T SHOW UP, AND WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY. AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES WEEKS AND MONTHS TO FIND SOMEBODY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S CHALLENGING TO HOLD VOLU VOLUNTEERS ACCOUNTABLE. BUT I DO. I ASK THEM TO GIVE ME A REPORT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BESIDES TALKING AT THE MEETINGS THEY GO TO. NOW, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE DISTRICT CLERK THAT EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION OR BOARD IS REQUIRED TO SEND AN END-OF-YEAR REPORT TO HER OFFICE. AND IF THAT'S DONE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE COMMITTEES, BECAUSE WE SHOULD GET COPIES OF ALL THOSE 40 OR 50 DIFFERENT COMMITTEE REPORTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONE ON AT X COMMITTEE OVER THE LAST YEAR. SO... AND I KNOW WHEN PEOPLE WHO I'VE APPOINTED SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION AND THEY SEE PROBLEMS WITH THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION, THEY LET ME KNOW. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE PEOPLE WHO SERVE FROM DISTRICT 9 ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR WHO WERE APPOINTED BY THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO FILL A SLOT. SO IT'S KIND OF A VARIED PROCESS. I REALLY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE CITY BEING MORE INVOLVED AND EXPANDING SOME OF THE SIZES OF THESE IMPORTANT COMMITTEES OR HAVING THE CITY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT AS -- WE AS COUNCILMEMBERS, ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO A BOARD OR COMMISSION. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT STATE LAW, PAST ORDINANCES, OTHER MAYBE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ALSO NEED TO BE MET, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHAT WE NEED DO IS TAKE A CAREFUL LOOK AT EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBERS TO ALL 60 OR 70 OF THEM, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO RECRUIT 60 OR 70 PEOPLE, AND THAT WE SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE, AND WE ALSO SHOULD ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF GETTING SOMEBODY THERE. AND IF I APPOINT SOMEBODY AND THEY CAN'T BE THERE, I SHOULD HAVE ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS THERE TO REPRESENT OUR OFFICE OR THE COMMUNITY AND LISTEN IN. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT I THINK WE CAN [00:25:01] CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE. AND SO I'M WILLING TO HEAR MORE FROM THE CITY STAFF ON HOW WE COULD -- AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO MAKE SOME MORE CHANGES, OTHER THAN JUST THE FOUR OR FIVE WE'VE HEARD THERE TODAY. SO I THINK IT'S A BIT OF A LONGER PROCESS. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. >> GARCIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO WHO SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL CCR. AND I SIGNED ONTO THIS AS WELL BECAUSE I WAS A PART OF THE SUNSET EXIT TEE LAST TIME THAT IT HAD FORMED AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT REMINDED ME OF. AS A MATTER OF FACT, AT GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, I BROUGHT UP THE SUNSET COMMITTEE AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WE COULD CHANGE THE NAME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALL THAT THE SUNSET COMMITTEE DOES. UNFORTUNATELY THE SUNSET COMMITTEE HASN'T MET IN, LIKE, FOUR YEARS. DEBBIE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES US TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCES EVERY -- THE REALITY IS IT HASN'T HAPPENED AND WE CAN USE COVID AS THAT EXCUSE, BUT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED. SO WHEN I WAS ON THAT SUNSET COMMITTEE, IT WAS CHAIRED BY COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, IT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, AND AT THE TIME WE REALIZED WE CAN'T JUST GET RID OF ALL OF THESE COMMITTEES, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO ADD COMMITTEES. SO WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE TIME, OKAY, THE SUNSET COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE WAY MORE THAN A SUNSET COMMITTEE NEXT TIME THAT IT RECONVENES. SO THAT IDEA HAD ALREADY KIND OF STARTED -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CPS, VIA, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER, RIGHT. TO BE FAIR, WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT OPPORTUNITY HOME, BUT, STILL, THAT COMES IN. THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE. SO WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I THOUGHT SH, OH, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE, RIGHT, TO RECONSTITUTE IT. NOW, THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT. BUT THEN I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND THE REASON THAT I WAS THINKING THAT IS BECAUSE THAT ALONE TOOK A LONG TIME, RIGHT, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE SUNSETTING. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET MEETINGS ON THE BOOKS, RIGHT, AND TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE COULD ALL COME TOGETHER. AND SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT INCLUDED, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, ACCESS TO CHILDCARE, THE DIVERSITY, GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION ON THE COMMITTEES THAT WE JUST DIDN'T GET TO. SO AT THE END OF IT, IT WAS REALLY JUST THE SUNSETTING, WHICH ONES CAN GO AWAY. AND SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PERFECT IDEA NOW, RIGHT, TO BRING IT BACK. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A SUBCOMMITTEE NECESSARILY OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE. MAYBE IT'S ONE PERSON FROM EACH QUADRANT, RIGHT, THAT HAS SOME INPUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, AND I'M SURE THAT STAFF WILL MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE COMPOSITION OF THAT COMMITTEE DOESN'T NECESSARILY -- OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE. AND I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AN OUTSIDE PERSON AS WELL, RIGHT, AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE, KIND OF LIKE THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. AND SO I HAD ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED, IF WE DON'T GO GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, MAYBE IT'S THE AUDIT COMMITTEE THAT DOES THIS, TAKES THIS ON. THE REASON I SAID THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE OUTSIDE PEOPLE ON THAT AUDIT COMMITTEE. SO THEN THEY REPRESENT THE OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDER. SO I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REALLY LONG PROCESS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING FASTER THAN ANOTHER, AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. JUST LOOKING AT THE FORECAST, EVEN TODAY, RIGHT, WE HAVE MAJOR THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP, PROJECT MARVEL, THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE CONCESSIONS, THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE THESE REALLY HEAVY LIFT ITEMS, VIA TELECOM, RIGHT -- CONTINUOUSLY DRAG US AWAY, RIGHT? AND WITHIN THE OTHER COMMITTEES, AND SO I FIGURED WE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, AND THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED THE SUNSET COMMITTEE. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE CALLED THE SUNSET COMMITTEE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE RECONSTITUTED AS SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT WAS THE REASON. SO MY QUESTION, THOUGH, TO DEBBIE NOW IS, SINCE WE NOW HAVE FOUR-YEAR TERMS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT AT THIS WHATEVER NEW COMMITTEE WE CALL IT, THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF SERVICE FOR THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS? BECAUSE, LIKE -- OR DO WE KEEP THE TWO-YEAR, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS AT THAT TIME, OR HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE -- AND I KNOW THAT YOU SEND THE ATTENDANCE LIST TO US SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE ATTENDING REGULARLY OR WE CHOOSE TO REMOVE THEM, BUT IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT? >> SO MANY OF THE BOARDS ARE -- THE MEMBERSHIPS ARE COTERMINOUS WITH COUNCIL. I'LL HAVE TO ASK LEGAL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE, SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND DETERMINE IF THAT MEANS THEY GET A FOUR-YEAR TERM. >> SEGOVIA: THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK THERE'S A MENTION OF IT IN THE CHARTER, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL A CASE-BY-CASE ANALYSIS AS TO WHICH ONES THE CHARTER [00:30:04] ACTUALLY APPLIES TO. BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE AD HOC COMMITTEE, COUNCILWOMAN. BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> GARCIA: YEAH. AND I THINK THAT THEN THAT DEFINITELY -- THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON THAT I WAS WORRIED. I WAS HOPING THERE WAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WAS WORRIED, LIKE IS STAFF GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN TWO WEEKS TO VAI, OH, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN, DO THEY JUST GET EXTENDED OR DO WE KIND OF START OVER. AND SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY ALSO TO BE FAIR, RIGHT, TO THE PROCESS. I DISO AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO START WORKING ON SOMETHING NOW. I DON'T THINK THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO WAIT, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD START GETTING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS MOVING, SOME OF THESE IDEAS THAT ALREADY CAME UP, I THINK, ARE WORTH LISTENING AND TRYING, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, JUST IN GENERAL. AND JUST FROM SITTING ON THAT LAST SUNSET COMMITTEE AND HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR US TO EVEN DO THESE MINOR LITTLE THINGS, I FEEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. THAT WAS THE REASON, AND I JUST WANTED TO FULLY EXPLAIN TO MY COLLEAGUES WHY I HAD RECOMMENDED THE SUNSET COMMITTEE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT JUST A SUNSET COMMITTEE TO ME ANYMORE. BUT THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, AGAIN. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILMEMBER KAUR? >> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS -- HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING AND I DO GET A LOT OF THIS FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITIES ABOUT WHO IS APPOINTING THE MEMBERS OF THESE BOARDS. I THINK EVEN SOME OF THE CHALLENGE WITH -- ONE OF THE THINGS FROM THE ZONING COMMISSION YESTERDAY THAT I THINK COUNCILWOMAN ADRIANA ROCHA GARCIA COMMENT ABOUT THE SUNSET COMMITTEE IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT OUR COMMITTEES ARE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE RECEIVING FEEDBACK. ZONING COMMISSION WAS THERE YESTERDAY FOR NINE HOURS. AND THERE WAS 200 VOICE MAILS AND MOST OF THEM WERE PRESCRIBED. AND I THINK WHIC WE ALSO NEED TO -- IF WE WANT PEOPLE THAT HAVE OTHER JOBS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT END UP SERVING ON THESE BOARDS ARE ONES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND NINE HOURS IN A COMMITTEE MEETING. AND SO I THINK IT'S ALSO UPON US IN THIS COMMITTEE I WOULD LIKE THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF COMPONENTS AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY RECRUIT PEOPLE THAT ARE DIVERSE, THAT HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, THAT ARE YOUNGER, THAT HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS ON THESE BOARDS, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES A LOT OF THIS -- A LOT OF THIS SETUP PRECLUDES DIVERSE MEMBERS FROM SERVING. SO I DO AGREE, I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE SOME -- NOT NECESSARILY -- LIKE SOME JOB DESCRIPTIONS OR SOME DIFFERENT SKILL SETS. WE DO THAT FOR SOME OF OUR TIRZ BOARDS WHERE IT WILL SAY WE WANT SOMEONE FROM X COMMUNITY OR X NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESCRIPTIVE FOR BACKGROUNDS, FOR -- WHEN YOU'RE ON CPS'S BOARD, THAT'S A MULTI -- IT'S A HUGE INDUSTRY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT, BUT ALSO OTHER COMPONENTS ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL. SO MAKING SURE WE HAVE WELL-ROUNDED BOARDS, I THINK, IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS THIS CONVERSATION COMES UP IS ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- THAT WHEN BOARD MEMBERS ARE SAYING SOMETHING, THAT THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SAYING ARE BEING HEARD. BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR APPOINTEES WHERE THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES TO SBAC OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT IS ZER OUR STAFF REALLY HEARING THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PRESENTING. SO MAKING SURE EVEN THE APPOINTEES FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THAT CHANGE IN THEIR POSITIONS. SO THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS. I DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT UNDERSTAND THE TIMING PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RUSH INTO ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST LIKE HANG OUT AND NOT CREATE CHANGE IF IT'S NECESSARY. THANKS. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I APPRECIATED THE CONVERSATION SO FAR. I WILL ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WHICH IS IF THERE'S A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO THAT SAYS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION HERE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHOULD THERE BE FUTURE THREE-SIGNATURE MEMOS THAT SAY SUCH THINGS, THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWED AND IN GOOD FAITH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS THE -- I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS. BUT I WILL SAY I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THE CONVERSATION IS GOING. I AGREE THAT WE COULD USE A REVAMP TO HOW SOME OF THESE COMMISSIONS ARE ESTABLISHED. SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO MANY OF US IS DIVERSITY AND REPRESENTATION, BACKGROUND, CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OFTEN NOT A PART OF DISCUSSIONS AND NOT [00:35:01] INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. ONE PERSON DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW ALL OF THE -- EACH OF US KNOW PEOPLE THAT OTHER ONES DON'T, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AND YOU COULD SEE THAT ONE PERSON WHO MAKES A SET OF APPOINTMENTS COULD BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT DIVERSITY, REPRESENTATION, BACKGROUNDS, KNOWLEDGE, EXPERTISE, SOMEONE ELSE GETS ELECTED AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS, THEY CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR FRIENDS AND THE INTERESTS THAT ALIGN VERY MUCH WITH THEIRS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT -- YOU LOOK AT CABINET PICKS RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. BACK TO CONVERSATION AT HAND, I THINK THAT'S VERY APPLICABLE TO THE WAY THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS SHOULD LOOK AND SHOULD BE REFLECTED. THEY SHOULD REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS, AS I SAID, EXPERTISE, BACKGROUNDS, ALL OF THAT. SO IF I'M LOOKING AT, SAY, THE CHARTER, THAT WAS ONE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE CHOSEN -- THAT SHOULD BE APPOINTED BY COUNCILMEMBERS. WE HAVE -- I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES -- I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT WHO HAD A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT THE CHARTER, AND THEY'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE CHARTER FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T EXTENDED AN INVITATION BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAYOR AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO TO REACH OUT TO TO GET THERE. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR IT TO BE A 10-COUNCIL APPOINTEES AND THEN THE MAYOR GETS THREE-POINT TEES, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE DO WE NEED TO HAVE A FORMER EMPLOYEE? I THINK WE SHOULD REEVALUATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE AN HR PROFESSIONAL, MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL FINANCE PROFESSIONAL, BUT DO WE NEED A FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL? SO I'D LOVE TO REEVALUATE THAT. OPPORTUNITY HOME, I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW IS WHAT IT IS, IF WE COULD ADOPT OUR OWN PROCESS WHERE MAYBE IT'S INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH COUNCIL, FOLLOWED BY THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT. FOR HOUSING COMMISSION, I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO EXTEND THE -- TO EXPAND THE MEMBERSHIP TO MAYBE IT'S 11 APPOINTMENTS BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND FOUR FILLED BY THOSE CEOS OR APPOINTEES FROM OPPORTUNITY HOME, HOUSING TRUST, REGIONAL ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIP AND VIA, WITH MAYOR STILL APPOINTING THE CHAIR OUT OF ALL OF THOSE MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED. AND THEN FOR VIA, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A MORE ROBUST NOMINATION AND INTERVIEW PROCESS. I'LL USE, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE WE -- IN '21 OR 2022, WE MADE APPOINTMENTS TO BOTH CPS AND SAUCE, AND I REMEMBER VOTING NO TO BOTH OF THOSE BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS. AND HAD WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS MORE THAN JUST THOSE TWO DAYS TO TALK -- TO GET TO KNOW THE PERSON, TO FIGURE OUT WHO THEY WERE, MAYBE I'D FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE'RE NOT INCLUDED, AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND EVERY MAYOR VIEWS THEIR ROLE DIFFERENTLY. AND I'D WORRY ABOUT A MAYOR WHO DIDN'T INTEND ON BEING INCLUSIVE, DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE WILL OF THEIR COLLEAGUES AND THEY JUST WANTED TO APPOINT PEOPLE WHO THEY WANTED TO APPOINT. AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT NOT JUST OUR TENURE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE AFTER US, AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME, WHEN WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO WILL NOT BE AFFECTED, TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO WHATEVER CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM NOW, OR AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN? >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU. THIS HAS KIND OF GOTTEN KIND OF MUDDLED, BECAUSE I HEAR THREE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON. ONE IS A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO, AND ANDY, IF WE COULD GET A BRIEFING ON EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN CALL FOR WITH A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO LEGALLY, IF WE CAN CALL FOR ACTION? I DO PLAN TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, ERIK, AT THIS TIME, BUT I DO NOT PLAN TO GIVE YOU ACTION. AND ANDY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF CLARIFIED AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO OUR NEXT MAYOR IS, AND MAYBE THREE-SIGNATURE MEMOS IS THE WAY TO GO. BUT SECONDLY, I'M HEARING ABOUT APPOINTMENTS AND THE CALL FOR DIVERSITY IN APPOINTMENTS, AND IT'S WHY I PUT FORWARD MY CCR REGARDING THE PLANNING BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE REGION, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR MOVING THAT FORWARD TO AUDIO] COMMITTEE SO WE COULD WORK ON THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT I HEAR IS WHAT DO WE DO REGARDING THESE SIX SPECIFIC BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE, [00:40:04] JEFF, WHAT -- WHAT -- WHERE DID THIS GO FROM? OR -- JEFF OR ERIK, THIS -- THE CCR -- I KNOW THAT MY CCR WENT TO GOVERNANCE; IS THAT CORRECT? AND TERI'S -- COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S WENT TO GOVERNANCE. >> WALSH: IT DID, YES, MA'AM. >> VIAGRAN: AND GOVERNANCE SUGGESTION WAS TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE. >> WALSH: FOR YOURS IT WAS TO MOVE IT TO A COMMITTEE -- CASTILLO'S, AND IT WAS -- I'LL JUST READ IT, ACTUALLY. THE -- I'LL READ THE LAST PART OF IT. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA RECOMMENDED THAT THE SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW THE BOARD APPOINTMENT PROCESS. MAYOR NIRENBERG STATED HE WOULD RECONSTITUTE THE SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEM REVIEW THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS. COUNCILMAN COURAGE SUPPORTED GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION. ON EACH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE AGREED TO SET UP A SUNSET COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEM REVIEW THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS. I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN COURAGE MOVED TO SET UP A SUNSET COMMITTEE WITH THE ADDITIONAL SCOPE TO REVIEW HOW BOARDS WERE ESTABLISHED, MEMBERSHIP COMPOSITION AND THE BOARD APPOINTMENT PROCESS. AND THAT WAS THE MOTION. AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS VOTED ON. SO THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN GOVERNANCE. >> VIAGRAN: WHAT WAS THE VOTE? >> WALSH: IT WAS MAYOR NIRENBERG, COUNCILWOMAN ROCHA GARCIA AND COUNCILMAN COURAGE VOTING YES. COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA VOTING NO. >> VIAGRAN: AND IS THERE ONE MORE MEMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE. >> WALSH: COUNCILMAN PELAEZ WAS ABSENT. >> VIAGRAN: OH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS -- AND THE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT SUBCOMMITTEES IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF -- MAYOR, IF YOU COULD APPOINT COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO AND OTHERS ON THAT COMMITTEE TO HELP WITH THE REVIEW PROCESS. I THINK -- AND, JEFF, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. HAS THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION APPOINTED SECRETARY OF HOUSING YET? NO? BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF APPOINTMENTS TODAY. >> >> COYLE: NO FOR HOUSING AND, OF COURSE, NOBODY'S ACTUALLY BEEN CONFIRMED YET. THEY'RE NOMINEES. >> VIAGRAN: OKAY. SO I -- BECAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF THINGS OF WHO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE AND I THINK THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FEDERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO CPS, SAUCE AND VIA, BECAUSE WE ARE CONSTRAINED LEGALLY, I THINK THAT IS A DEEPER DIVE INTO DO -- OUR CHOICES ARE A BOARD WHERE WE APPOINT OR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND MAYBE WE -- MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL STARTS TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY, TOO. SO THAT'S WHERE I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO RECONSTITUTE A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THESE ITEMS BECAUSE THERE IS JUST -- THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. BUT I -- I FEEL THAT THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION IN TERMS ABOUT -- OF APPOINTMENTS AND PEOPLE SERVING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT ELECTEDS WILL BE HERE FOR FOUR YEARS, THAT MEANS DO WE HAVE FOUR YEARS OF THE SAME PEOPLE ON THESE COMMITTEES. SO I THINK IT'S A LARGE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. I THINK IT'S BEST DONE IN COMMITTEE WITH SOME GUIDANCE AND REVIEW BY SOME -- BY A LITTLE MORE THAN -- NOT AS MUCH AS ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM, BUT DEFINITELY DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE INTEREST. BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPPORTUNITY HOMES AND CPS AND SAUCE AND VIA, WHICH DEFINITELY WE HAVE LEGAL CONSTRAINTS ON, ARE GOING TO TAKE OTHER CONVERSATIONS. SO, MAYOR, IF THAT -- IF THOSE COMM COMMITTEES TURN INTO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES TO ADDRESS THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FEDERAL CHALLENGES, WE MAY HAVE COMING UP IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO AS WE LOOK AT -- AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN GREATER EXTENT. SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORK FOR US TO GET DONE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD REGARDLESS TO GET PEOPLE MOTIVATED TO WANT TO SERVE IN THIS CURRENT CLIMATE. SO WE'LL JUST TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME AND SEE HOW THIS GOES. THANK YOU. [00:45:03] >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ? >> PELAEZ: THANK YOU, LIZ, AND THE REST OF THE TEAM FOR DOING THE DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT THE RULES ARE AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. I -- ALSO, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR ALWAYS TAKING MY CALL. THE MAYOR AND I, ALONG WITH OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS, WE HAVE A STANDING MEETING EVERY MONTH, AND IT'S DURING THOSE MEETINGS THAT I EXPRESS MY PREFERENCES FOR, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE BACKGROUNDS AND QUALIFICATIONS OF THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. I'M LOOKING AT THE LISTS OF APPOINTEES RIGHT NOW ON THE DIFFERENT BOARDS THAT THE MAYOR HAS APPOINTED FOLKS TO, AND I SEE SOME OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS REFLECTED IN THERE, SOME NOT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONE THING THAT DOES STAND OUT TO ME THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE BOARDS, NOT JUST UNDER THIS MAYOR, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ON THE -- FOR PREVIOUS MAYORS THAT ARE LISTED HERE AS WELL ON OUR WEBSITE, WHAT STANDS OUT IS THAT THIS IS A REALLY DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE REPRESENTING MULTIPLE VOICES AND VIEWPOINTS, AGE GROUPS AND ALL THE OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT THE HOUSING COMMISSION BOARD, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ROBERT ABRAHAM, THE MAN IS CLOSE TO 80 YEARS OLD, AND HAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVE ON THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO. I'M LOOKING AT TANIKA JOHNSON, I'M LOOKING AT CRYSTAL ROGEJO, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THAT BOARD AND SAY IT'S ANYTHING BUDDY VBUT DIVERSE. ADDITIONALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO WHERE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS APPOINT, NEVER BEFORE HAVE I SEEN THIS MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVERSE SECTORS AND BACKGROUNDS AND I'M ACTUALLY REALLY IMPRESSED THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE HAVE MORE ASIAN MEN AND WOMEN SERVING ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAN ANY OTHER TIME IN HISTORY. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL. AND SO I -- LIKE COUNCILMAN COURAGE, I SEND MY STAFF TO MOST BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEETINGS, AND I SEND -- I SEND MY STAFF TO SAUCE AND CPS MEETINGS, AND I SENT MY STAFF TO THE REDISTRICTING MEETINGS, HOUSING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND SAHA MEETINGS, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS COME BACK AND REPORT TH. THOSE MEETINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT, I'LL GO TO MYSELF. I WAS IN KOREA WHEN THIS DISCUSSION CAME UP AT GOVERNANCE AND I WAS WATCHING IT UN FOLD AND IT WAS STRANGE TO ME THAT IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A WISE AND PRUDENT OPTION THAT WAS ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS SENDING THIS TO A SUNSET COMMISSION FOR REVIEW, WAS -- WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. AND SO I'M -- I THINK IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOLVED FOR THIS PROBLEM IN THE PAST. NOT "WE" BUT OTHER COUNCILS BEFORE US. I THINK, YOU KNOW, OTHER GOVERNMENT BODIES DO THIS ALL THE TIME BY WAY OF SUNSET COMMISSIONS OR A ROSE THAT GOES BY ANY OTHER NAME, BUT -- THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE. AND IT USUALLY WORKS, WHEN YOU SCRUB IT THAT WAY. AND THE WHEEL DOES GRIND SLOW, AND WE DON'T GET THE INSTANT GRATIFICATION OF CHANGING POLICY IMMEDIATELY, BUT IT GRINDS FINE. AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT BEHIND THE CCR, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT ENTIRELY, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S WORTHY OF STUDY. AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF DEBATE AT A COMMITTEE OR SUBCOMMITTEE, AND SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANKS. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE? >> COURAGE: THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REITERATE A FEW THINGS TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN MY MIND AND MAYBE TO BRING UP A COUPLE OF OTHERS, BUT WE STARTED OUT TALKING ABOUT SIX PARTICULAR BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FOUR OF THEM HAVE STATE IMPLICATIONS THAT MAY LIMIT OR REQUIRE US TO TAKE OR NOT TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS. BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE PRETTY MUCH LOCALLY BASED, WHICH I WOULD GUESS WAS BASED ON ORDINANCE THAT MAY HAVE CREATED THOSE. BUT WE'VE GOT HOW MANY TOTAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, MADAM CLERK? >> CLERK: WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 90. >> COURAGE: 90 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I'LL TELL YOU QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD FIND 90 PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 9 WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. NOW, SOME OF THEM, BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS, THEY WON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEMBERS, BUT THERE WILL BE -- OR THERE MAY BE QUITE A FEW OTHERS. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE [00:50:05] ISSUES THAT AWL ALWAYS COMES UP, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MAYOR AND HIS APPOINTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY OF THE MAYOR, WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL? A LOT OF TIMES THE MAYOR APPOINTS CHAIRS, BUT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES SHOULD THE COUNCIL BE THE ONE TO APPOINT CHAIRS. WHAT ABOUT AD HOC COMMITTEES? YOU KNOW, CAN THE MAYOR JUST CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SHOULD THE COUNCIL BE THE ONES TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SOMETHING NOT IN THE CHARTER, BUT PEOPLE THINK WE NEED. YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE HOUSING COMMISSION THAT THE MAYOR LITERALLY CREATED. HE WAS THE ONE WHO SAID, I'M GOING TO START A MAYOR'S COMMISSION ON HOUSING. I THINK IT TURNED OUT TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. BUT, OF COURSE, THE COUNCIL GOT BEHIND IT AND ADDED SUPPORT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NEED TO BE GIVEN SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. AND WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT IN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, OR I THINK EVEN 90 DAYS. MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKED AT VERY DEEPLY OVER A GOOD AMOUNT OF PERIOD OF TIME, THAT A LOT OF INPUT CAN COME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY, STAKEHOLDERS IN DIFFERENT AREAS, SO THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL MAY BE CHARGED TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON. AND HOPEFULLY MANY OF US HERE WILL BE ON THAT NEXT COUNCIL. BUT ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW EVERY ONE OF THEM. AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WERE THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS FOR THAT BOARD OR THAT COMMISSION, OR THAT COMMITTEE. AND WHAT WOULD THE AMENDING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED THAT HAVE CHANGED OR INCREASED OR MODIFIED THE EXISTENCE OF THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION? WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION IS DOING NOW? SHOULD THEY CONTINUE DOING THOSE SAME THINGS OR HAS -- HAS THEIR CHARGE CHANGED BUT IT HASN'T BEEN WRITTEN ANYWHERE? AND ARE WE GETTING VALUABLE INFORMATION FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ARE THEY MAKING THE REPORTS BACK TO THE CITY? ARE WE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND UNDERSTAND. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE LEGAL LIMITATIONS THAT THOSE BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO FACE. I'LL LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, PRE-K FOUR SA, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEALING WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT COME FROM TAXES, SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE LOOK AT THOSE, WHAT ARE THE RECENT RECORDS OF THOSE AND HOW SHOULD THEY BE ADJUSTED OR CAN THEY BE ADJUSTED? AND I'LL SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT I'VE JUST SAID SHOULD BE APPLIED TO CITY DEPARTMENTS AND CITY PROGRAMS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A SUNSET COMMISSION, WE NEED TO EVALUATE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND CITY PROGRAMS THE SAME WAY. LOOK AT THEIR FOUNDING PURPOSES, ARE THEY MEETING THOSE PURPOSES, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, DO THEY NEED MORE SUPPORT, CAN THEY BE BLENDED IN WITH ANOTHER, CAN THEY BE DONE AWAY WITH? I MEAN, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF SUNSETTING ANYTHING. BUT LOOKING AT THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTING, TOO. SHOULD WE STILL BE SUPPORTING X PROGRAM OR Y PROGRAM OR DO WE NEED TO ADD Z PROGRAM, SO I THINK IF WE COMBINE BOTH OF THESE EFFORTS TOGETHER, IT IS GOING TO BE A LONGER TERM, MORE IN-DEPTH STUDY THAT'S NECESSARY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AN EXAMPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REVIEW THIS PROCESS IS WITHIN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLES, AND EVIDENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMITTEES WERE THE CONCERNS ABOUT ENCAMPMENTS AND HOUSING INSECURITY COME UP IS THE NEED FOR US TO BE STRATEGIC WITH THESE APPOINTMENTS. AND LET ME TAKE Y'ALL BACK TO 2019 AND I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE PUBLIC HOUSING, AND I WALK INTO THE OPPORTUNITY HOME OFFICE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'M GREETED BY THIS PHOTO OF BEN CARSON THAT'S FRAMED, IT'S SHINY, IT'S CLEAN, IT'S UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND COMMUNITY'S THERE TO CHALLENGE THE PRY VATIIZATION OF PUBLIC HOUSING AND ILLEGAL EVICTIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. THERE'S COMMUNITY PRESSURE, THE CEO RESIGNS, TAKES ON A GIG THE DENVER, THERE'S A NEW CEO REINSTATED AND HERE WE ARE IN 2024 WHERE THE NEW CEO HAS TAKEN THE VISION OF CONTINUING TO PRIVATIZE PUBLIC HOUSING AND ESSENTIALLY BACKTRACKS THE PROGRESS THAT THE PREVIOUS CEO HAD MADE, ED HINOJOSA, AND THIS IS UNDER BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. THE CONSTANT BETWEEN 2019 AND 2024 IS THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WAITLIST THAT HAS INCREASED FOR OPPORTUNITY HOME IS NEARLY DOUBLED. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF EVICTIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE, THEY HAVE DRASTICALLY INCREASED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS RESOLUTION ON HOW COUNCIL COULD HAVE SAY. I BELIEVE IT IS TRANSPARENCY AND I DO SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN [00:55:05] MCGEE-RODRIGUEZ OF CREATING AN INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, ANDY, IS WITH SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE RESTRICTED BY THE STATE, OR REGULATED BY THE STATE, WOULD THAT PROHIBIT US COMING UP WITH AN ORDINANCE LOCALLY TO IMPLEMENT OUR OWN INTERNAL INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR RECOMMENDATION? NOT NECESSARILY TO APPOINT THE MAYOR, BUT AN INTERNAL PROCESS WHERE THERE IS DISCUSSION ON THESE APPLICANTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TO THE MAYOR? >> SEGOVIA: THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YES, COUNCILWOMAN. THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY WHERE STATE LAW IS SILENT TO FILL IN THE BLANK, SO TO SPEAK IN TERMS OF HOW AN APPOINTMENT PROCESS WOULD WORK, HOW CANDIDATES WOULD BE VETTED, THAT WOULDN'T -- THAT ULD WON'T NECESSARILY CONFLICT WITH WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES. SO YES, THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU CAN FILL IN A LOT OF THOSE BLANKS. AND IF I MAY, THE SAME THING THAT APPLIES TO THE SPECIAL MEETINGS. I'LL READ THE ONE SENTENCE THAT TALKS ABOUT SPECIAL MEETINGS OF COUNCIL IN THE CHARTER, SPECIAL MEETINGS OF THE COUNCIL SHALL BE CALLED BY THE CITY CLERK UPON THE WRITTEN REQUEST OF THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER OR THREE-MEMBERS OF COUNCIL -- AUDIO] -- THAT'S THE ONLY TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF STATE LAW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO FILL IN A LOT OF THE BLANKS IN TERMS OF TIMING, IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE SCHEDULED, ET CETERA. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, ANDY. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, WHICH COMMITTEE CALLS FOR -- GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY ADDRESSED IN HOW YOU ALL WANT TO DO THAT. >> CASTILLO: I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS MORE OF WHO CONVENES THE SUNSET COMMITTEE? MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS CONVENED FOUR YEARS AGO. WHICH COMMITTEE CONVENED THAT CONVERSATION. >> WALSH: IT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF GOVERNANCE, WASN'T IT. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: IT'S CALLED BY THE MAYOR BY ORDINANCE. >> CASTILLO: SO IN FOUR YEARS, IT HASN'T BEEN CALLED? THAT'S RIGHT. THE LAST TWO TIMES WE CALLED IT, THE RESULT WAS THE SAME, WHICH IS THAT THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDED SUNSETS. AND SO COUNCILWOMAN'S WHITE, WE HAD COVID IN THE MIDDLE THERE. IT HAS NOT BEEN A PRIORITY. SO THE DIRECTION FROM GOVERNANCE LAST -- OR TWO WEEKS AGO WAS THAT WE REFORM -- RECALL, REFORMULATE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, THE SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT GIVE IT A BROADER CHARGE TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES RELATED TO APPOINTMENTS IN GENERAL, PROCESSES AND NOW POTENTIALLY THE ADDITION OF SOME INTERVIEW PROCESSES FOR THE COUNCIL AS WELL. >> CASTILLO: OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, ERIK? >> WALSH: >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I WILL ASK WHAT IS THE SUNSET COMMITTEE? LIKE WHAT IS THE SUNSET COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THE SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE IS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. IT'S NOT A STANDING COMMITTEE. AS CALLED BY ORDINANCE -- OR AS CALLED BY THE MAYOR BY ORDINANCE, AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO REVIEW ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND TO RECOMMEND CHANGES. AND IT'S GIVEN THE NAME SUNSET BECAUSE THOSE CHANGES ARE USUALLY WHICH ONES NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER SERVING ITS PURPOSE, WE CAN'T GET QUORUM IN SOME CASES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE LAST TWO RECOMMENDED SUNSETS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WERE TWO COMMITTEES RELATED TO SA 2020. THE HEALTH -- THE FAMILY AND WELL-BEING AND THEN THERE WAS AN SA 2020 EDUCATION COMMITTEE. THOSE WERE THE RECOMMENDED SUNSETS, BUT THERE WAS NO DESIRE AT THE TIME TO SHUT THEM DOWN. SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT EVEN SURE WHAT -- WHAT THE STATUS OF THOSE COMMITTEES ARE, BUT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. MY INTEREST IS... HMM. I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, WE'RE GOING TO FORM A COMMITTEE, WE'RE GOING TO MEET IN 87 FORTNIGHTS AND SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN THREE YEARS FROM NOW, AND I DON'T -- I DON'T LIKE THAT. REGARDING THE ISSUE OF REPRESENTATION AND THE RESPONSE THAT I GOT FROM DISTRICT 8, I'M SO APPRECIATIVE OF THOSE OF Y'ALL WHO ARE ONLY MY PRESENCE AND ARE SO MINDFUL AND THOUGHTFUL. I HAVE WATCHED AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO WERE HERE IN 2021 WILL REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO SEE MANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTEES AND DISTRICT TWO IS UNIQUE IN THAT I REPRESENT THE ENTIRE EAST AND NORTHEAST SIDE, AND I ALSO REPRESENT THE BLACK COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, AND I REPRESENT THE QUEER COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO. AND SO WHAT I HEAR OFTEN FROM PEOPLE IS, ESPECIALLY THE BLACK COMMUNITY, IS SAN ANTONIO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. AND THEY EXPECT -- EVEN [01:00:03] IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN MY DISTRICT, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, IT'S GOING TO BE IN DISTRICT TWO. THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPOINTED BY THE DISTRICT TWO COUNCILMEMBER BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK, AND THAT'S THE COUNCILMEMBER WHOSE MOST IN LINE WITH THEM. AND I REMEMBER ON THE DAIS BEGGING AND PLEADING AND SAYING, I CANNOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPOINTING EVERY BLACK PERSON ON EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION. WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY, WE NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. AND I DID SEE SOME CHANGE THERE. WE'RE NOT ALL PERFECT, AND I REMEMBER THE API COMMUNITY COMING OUT AND THEM SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED AS WELL. AND THAT WAS AN AREA WHERE I HAD TO DO SOME REFLECTING. AND I WAS AT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE DEAF COMMUNITY WHO SAID WE DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A DEAF CITY COUNCILMEMBER AND WE'D LOVE TO PARTICIPATE IN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND SO THERE'S HUGE GAPS THAT WE ARE ALL MISSING OUT ON, AND SO WE ARE NOT ALL PERFECT. EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION IS NOT PERFECTLY SET. NO ONE EXPECTS THAT, BUT I JUST DIDN'T APPRECIATE MY CONCERN REMAINS THAT THE MAYOR IS NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE MAYOR. EVEN WHEN THE MAYOR HAS BEEN THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR HAS NOT BEEN PERFECT. THE NEXT MAYOR WILL NOT BE PERFECT. AND I WORRY THAT THE NEXT MAYOR IS NOT GOING TO BE THOUGHTFUL IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY, IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ALL THE THINGS THAT I KEEP SAYING. AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME BEFORE THAT NEXT MAYOR IS SEATED. MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THIS COUNCIL, MAY NOT. AND WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR ALL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ESPECIALLY FOR THESE ONES THAT ARE REALLY BIG. THE HOUSING COMMISSION IS HUGE. THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS IMPORTANT. THESE ARE ALL AREAS WHERE OUR CONSTITUENTS EXPECT COUNCIL -- THEY EXPECT IT TO BE REFLECTIVE AND INDICATIVE OF COUNCIL WILL. AND I DON'T SEE THAT AT THE MOMENT. I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING THE CASE IN THE FUTURE AND SO WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WHATEVER PROCESS WE SET FOR THE REVIEW OF THESE PROCESSES, WE DO IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LOVE TO BE APPOINTED TO THE SUNSET COMMITTEE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE MAKING IT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU'RE JUST CHOOSING PEOPLE FROM GOVERNANCE. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF MAYORAL CONTENDERS ON THERE. SO I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. AND I'D LOVE TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU. I HAVE FEEDBACK. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. >> GARCIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO COUNCIL AD HOC COMMITTEES ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND SPECIFICALLY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK SHALL MAINTAIN [INDISCERNIBLE] AND AT-LARGE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. PERIODICALLY THE MAYOR SHALL APPOINT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW ALL CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR SUNSET CONSOLIDATION OR OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGE. SECTION B. THE CITY COUNCIL AD HOC COMMITTEE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL BE COMPRISED OF ONE SENIOR COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WILL SERVE AS A CHAIRPERSON AND TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. AD HOC COMMITTEE WILL MEET AS NEEDED TO REVIEW. C, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY SUNSET AN ACTIVITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE RESPECTIVE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE HAVING OVERSIGHT OVER THE BOARD OR COMMISSION AND AS DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE . IT'S KIND OF WRITTEN FOR US ALREADY. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: SHE WASN'T READING, ACTUALLY. SHE WAS JUST RECITING FROM MEMORY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. I THINK SHOULD I THROW IT BACK TO YOU, ERIK? AND ASK YOU WHAT YOU HEARD. >> WALSH: MIND IF I TAKE A STAB AT IT? SO THIS IS -- THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING AND THIS IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. YOU ALL CAN MOLD IT AS YOU SEE FIT. SO ONE, PART OF WHAT CAME OUT OF GOVERNANCE WAS THE RECONSTITUTION OF A SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS. HOW BOARDS ARE ESTABLISHED. THE MEMBERSHIP COMPOSITION AND THE BOARD APPOINTMENT PROCESS. VERY BROADLY. THAT ALSO INCLUDES GEOGRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION ON EACH COMMISSION AND BOARD. AND THE OVERALL REVIEW PROCESS. SO I THINK THERE'S A FOUNDATION. BUT THE SPECIFICS THAT I THINK THAT I HEARD TODAY ARE THINGS LIKE THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD. THE CHARGES. THE COUNCIL INPUT OPTIONS. WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE ON THE FRONT END IN IDENTIFYING CANDIDATE PROFILES OR JOB DESCRIPTIONS OR THE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN WHATEVER BOARD AND COMMISSION YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT. THAT BE DONE ON THE FRONT [01:05:03] END BUT ALSO GUIDE YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT BACKGROUND WHEN YOU MAKE THE SELECTION THAT'S ON COUNCIL AGENDA. DIVERSITY, REPRESENTATION, THE STRUCTURE. HOW SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND REPORTING OR ACCOUNTABILITY. MUCH MORE THAN SUNSET COMMITTEE. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU CALL IT THE BOARD AND COMMISSION AD HOC IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT'S LAID OUT. THAT WE SUBDIVIDE THIS WORK INTO TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. THE FOUR THAT ARE REALLY -- TWO OF THE SIX THE COUNCIL HAS COMPLETE AUTHORITY OF. I THINK COUNCILMAN COURAGE SAID THAT. THE OTHER FOUR ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE. THAT'S ONE GROUP. AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OTHER 90 BOARDS. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS WITHOUT COORDINATING WITH DEBBIE OR ANDY, THAT IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GOES TO HEAD, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE MANAGER'S OFFICE WILL GET TOGETHER AND LAY OUT A FRAMEWORK. WE'LL COME BACK AND SQUEEZE IT INTO A B SESSION THE COUNCIL SO WE CAN MOVE. UNDOUBTEDLY I'M THINKING THAT THERE'S A PRIORITIZATION. THERE ARE SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN OTHERS. AND MAYBE WE TAKE A STAB AT DOING THAT AND GIVE THE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACT TO IT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HEARD. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE WRAP UP TODAY? COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. >> WHYTE: MAYBE OFF TOPIC SLIGHTLY BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SUNSET COMMITTEE FOR SOME OTHER CITY PROGRAMS. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN. >> WHYTE: HOLD ON. MY GREEN LIGHT IS STILL ON. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: WELL, KEEP IT GERMANE. >> WHYTE: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SUNSET COMMITTEES FOR SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN. >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THAT ON THE LAST B SESSION IN DECEMBER BEFORE WE GO FOR THE BREAK? AND WHEN WILL WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE FORMED? >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I'LL SEND OUT A MEMO ON NEXT STEPS FOR THIS. BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE PRECIPITATED BY THE FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE. >> WALSH: AGAIN, WITHOUT COORDINATING WITH DEBBIE, WHO IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE B SESSION SCHEDULE. THE NEXT B SESSION IS PRETTY HEAVY. ON DECEMBER 11 WE HAVE HIGH-PROFILE CONTRACT. WE LOOK AT THAT TWICE A YEAR. AND WE'VE GOT TOWING. I THINK WE CAN ADD IT IN THERE. I WAS, IN MY HEAD, THINKING MID-DECEMBER. WE WOULD NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MEETING OF DECEMBER. >> VIAGRAN: I JUST WANTED IT BEFORE. THAT'S WHY I SAID LAST MEETING. BUT IF WE CAN DO IT THE 11TH -- >> WALSH: I'M SHOOTING FOR THE 11TH AND I'LL COORDINATING THAT WITH DEBBIE'S OFFICE AND ANDY'S OFFICE. >> SEGOVIA: MAYOR, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK FOR A PROCESS FOR REVIEW, NOT ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN MID-DECEMBER? OKAY. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. WE'RE WRAPPED UP. EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN THEIR TWO ROUNDS. I THINK OUR DIRECTION IS PRETTY CLEAR. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN -- >> CLARIFICATION. >> ENSURE THAT IN THE MEMO SENT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT IT IS REFLECTED AND PRIORITIZES THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS. I KNOW WE MENTIONED THE 90 BUT THOSE PRESENTED I BELIEVE SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY BASED OFF THE THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO AND THE CCR AND THE CONVERSATION TODAY. >> WALSH: THAT'S THE DIVISION THAT I DESCRIBED. I THINK THERE'S THE SIX AND THERE'S EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH A LONGER TERM BUT I'M HEARING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSES AND A STRUCTURED REVIEW OF THE SIX. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING FOR ME. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? AT 3:20 P.M. ON THE 20TH OF NOVEMBER 2024, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANKS, EVERYBODY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.