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           OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE IT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, IT'S 
          [WORK SESSION]
NOW 2:30 PM AND WENT TO A CALL TO ORDER THE WORK SESSION. 
          UM, WE'RE WE, UH, DOING A PRESENTATION ON BRIEFING ON THE UPDATE OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, ZONING DISTRICT AND CATHERINE HERNANDEZ WILL BE SPEAKING. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, THE INTENT OF THIS BRIEFING IS, UH, TO PROVIDE YOU A HIGH LEVEL, UH, OVERLOOK OF, UH, WHAT WE ARE DOING. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I'M KAT HERNANDEZ. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR OUR CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, I USED TO BE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, IN OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS. 
          SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ZONING PROCESS AND, AND WHAT WE DO AS A CITY. 
          UH, BUT MY DEPARTMENT IS TASKED WITH WORKING ON, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A TRANSIT ORIENTED POLICY FRAMEWORK, AS WELL AS THE UPDATE TO OUR, OUR ZONING DISTRICT. 
          'CAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A TOD ZONING CODE. 
          SO AGAIN, OUR, OUR PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE YOU, UH, AN UPDATE ON, ON OUR WORK RELATED TO THE TO D ZONING CODE BECAUSE WE, UH, ARE ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED IN, IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONVEY TO YOU WHAT THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THO UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, PROCESS RIO, UH, PROCESS IS, UH, IS ADHERED TO AND MAINTAINED. 
          SO, UM, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE, UH, VIA IS MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT LINE. 
          UM, AND THE FIRST MAJOR PROJECT PROJECT IS THE GREEN LINE THAT RUNS ALONG SAN PEDRO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION LIMITS FROM THE AIRPORT TO STEVE'S. 
          UH, THERE IS CONNECTING SERVICE, UH, AIRPORT ONTO STONE OAK, AND THERE IS CONNECTING SERVICE FROM STEVE'S DOWN TO BROOKS. 
          UM, AND THIS PROJECT HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THE STATION AREAS. 
          THEY INCLUDE IN SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY, UH, CENTER RUNNING LANES. 
          SO YOU HAVE YOUR STATIONS IN THE, IN THE CENTER AREA WHERE YOU WOULD PROBABLY TYPICALLY SEE MEDIANS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, COMPONENTS WHERE THERE IS, UM, THE BUSINESS ACCESS, UH, TRANSIT LANES, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU SEE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH THOSE DIAMOND LANES WHERE THE BUSES HAVE PRIORITY, BUT VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED TO, UH, TURN RIGHT AND UTILIZE THE, THOSE LANES FOR THOSE PURPOSES. 
          AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR, IT IS, UH, WITH JUST A MIXED TRAFFIC. 
          SO WHY DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE CODE? UH, TOD IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALIZE THOSE BENEFITS ALONG OUR DEDICATED ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          THESE BENEFITS INCLUDE COMPACT, LIVABLE, AND WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THAT MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION ACCESS, WHILE, AGAIN, TRYING TO STRENGTHEN AND SUSTAIN OUR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THE REVIEW OF THE CODE ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THE TOD ZONING CODE IS ALIGNED WITH TRUE TRANSIT, UH, CREATE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND CREATE A BETTER CODE CREATING THAT WALKABILITY. 
          SO THIS PROCESS STARTED LATE LAST YEAR, UH, WITH THE CREATION OF A TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP UNDER THE HOUSING COMMISSION, WHOSE CHARGE, UM, WAS TO WORK ON RECOMMENDATIONS TO UPDATE THE UDC TO SUPPORT HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT, AND ARE REMOVING BARRIERS. 
          SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WHICH IS UNDER THE HOUSING COMMISSION, CONTINUES THEIR EFFORTS TO IMPLEMENT THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WITH A FOCUS TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK THAT ADDRESS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND ANTI DISPLACEMENT, AS THIS IS A COMMON THEME THAT WE HEARD DURING OUR EARLY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, AND WE CONTINUE TO HEAR, INCLUDING AT TODAY'S HOUSING, UH, COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          FOLLOWING THE CREATION OF THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP, A CCR WAS SUBMITTED TO UPDATE, UH, TO CREATE A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO IN JANUARY, GOVERNANCE RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN AND THE CREATION OF A TASK FORCE, SO WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO UPDATE THE T THE TOD ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND ALL OF THIS WORK CULMINATES IN, UH, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A TRANSIT ORIENTED POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          SO THE CURRENT TOD ZONING DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED IN 2001 WITH THE ORIGINAL ADOPTION OF THE UDC. 
          UM, AND OVER 20 YEARS, IT'S ONLY BEEN UTILIZED THREE TIMES. 
          THE CURRENT TOD IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED ANYWHERE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF A BUS STOP. 
          THIS MEANS THAT THERE ARE NO GUARDRAILS LIMITING IT, IT'S ALSO NOT CONTEXT SENSITIVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THERE'S NO HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, NO REAR SETBACKS. 
          IT'S JUST BASICALLY A GOOD DISTRICT TO APPLY TO SOME VACANT PROPERTY, UH, TO CREATE AN EXCUSE DEVELOPMENT ALONG, UH, A NEAR BUS LINE. 
          BUT THE PROCESS IS, THIS PROCESS IS ONLY TO UPDATE THE CODE. 
          SO IT ALLOWS FOR OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT WHILE STILL RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THE PROCESS DOES NOT REZONE ANY PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS NOT A REZONING PROCESS, MEANING THAT APPLICANTS WANTING TO OPT IN OR REZONE TO THE NEWT OD ZONING DISTRICT WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THAT REZONING PROCESS, WHICH THEN STARTS THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND CONTINUES THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO, TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE UPDATED CODE, THE TASK FORCE WAS CREATED EARLIER 
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THIS YEAR IN FEBRUARY, AND INCLUDES REPRESENTATION FROM 13 REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT ARE ALONG THAT HAVE BOUNDARIES THAT TOUCH ALONG THE SAN PEDRO GREEN LINE, AS WELL AS THE SILVER LINE, WHICH IS THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, AND ALSO HAS REPRESENTATION FROM COUNCIL DISTRICTS. 
          THERE'S ALSO 13 RESIDENTS THAT REPRESENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE EXPERTS IN OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND TRANSIT AGENCIES, AS WELL AS OUR PARTNER AGENCIES WITH VIA CENTRO AND THE ALAMO AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. 
          WE GET, WE BEGAN MEETING IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          IN TOTAL, THE TASK FORCE MET SEVEN TIMES OVER EIGHT MONTHS. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE PROCESS, UM, INCLUDED THE FORMATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE INCLUDED 23 RESIDENTS AND INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE, AS WELL AS OTHER RESIDENTS FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. 
          THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS FORMED BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKED BY THE TASK FORCE TO DO A DEEPER DIVE ON THE ELIGIBILITY OR APPLICABILITY OF TOD AND THE LANGUAGE TO PROTECT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY IN THE URBAN CORE OF OUR CITY, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL 36 SQUARE MILES. 
          AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE MET, UM, EIGHT TIMES OVER TWO AND A HALF MONTHS TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TASK FORCE TO CONSIDER. 
          SO OVER 50 COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE CURRENT TO OD ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS ANYONE TO REQUEST TO REZONE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF ANY BUS STOP. 
          THIS MEANS THAT ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT YOU SEE IN ORANGE ARE ELIGIBLE TODAY TO REZONE TO THE CURRENT TOD ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THIS COVERS A LITTLE OVER 300 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY. 
          SO TOD REALLY SHOULD BE SPECIFIC TO CORRIDORS THAT HAVE THAT HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT COMPONENT, SO YOU CAN FOCUS THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY TO THOSE CORRIDORS WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND TASK FORCE TACKLED THIS AND RECOMMENDED A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS US TO, AGAIN, CREATE THOSE GUARDRAILS FOR APPROPRIATE TOD APPLICABILITY. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE IS, UH, THE, THE APPLICABILITY NOW HAS BEEN NARROWED. 
          IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE CERTAIN CORRIDORS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS AS ART CORRIDORS. 
          THIS IS A MORE ZOOMED IN APPROACH OF WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT THAT NARROW NARROWING OF THE COURT OF THE ELIGIBILITY LOOKS LIKE. 
          NOW, WE WENT FROM OVER 300 SQUARE MILES TO JUST A LITTLE OVER THREE SQUARE MILES, AGAIN, ONLY RELATED TO THE FIRST ARC CORRIDOR, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE. 
          BUT THE PROCESS THAT THE TASK FORCE AND SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, DID TO GET TO THIS APPROACH STARTED WITH THE DRAFT CODE THAT HAD RECOMMENDED A QUARTER OF A MILE APPLICABILITY FROM THE CORRIDOR. 
          BUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE TASK FORCE INCREASED THAT VIEW. 
          SINCE WALKABILITY IS TYPICALLY A HALF MILE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY A 10 MINUTE WALK, WHILE A HALF MILE APPLICABILITY FOR TOD IS APPROPRIATE IN SOME AREAS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, THERE ARE AREAS IN WHICH THAT DRIVES IT DIRECTLY INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THE APPROACH BECAME MORE OF A CUSTOMIZED APPROACH, UM, WHERE YOU COULD EXPAND WHERE APPROPRIATE, WHERE YOU SEE ALONG THIS MAP, WHICH IS CLOSER TO FOUR 10 AND SAN PEDRO, AS WELL AS ALONG 35 AND SAN PEDRO, AND THEN CONTRACTING WHERE WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THOSE NARROW THE NARROWING BOUNDARIES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DIRECTLY ABUTTING SAN PEDRO. 
          SO ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS IN THE UPDATED CODE INCLUDE PROTECTIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS EXCLUDING PROPERTIES FROM BEING ABLE TO REZONE TO TOD THAT ARE EQUAL TO A HALF ACRE OR LESS, THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY ZONE PROPERTIES WITH SINGLE FAMILY USES OF FOUR UNITS OR MORE WITHIN THE CRAG, NO, NO SINGLE FAMILY ZONE PROPERTIES WITH SINGLE FAMILY USES ARE ELIGIBLE TO REZONE TO TOD. 
          SO THIS EXCLUSION PROTECTS OUR ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR URBAN CORE. 
          ADDITIONALLY IN, AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TO KNOW IS THAT FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVA CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, OR OTHER OVERLAYS THAT HAVE THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, THE CODE REQUIRES THET OD ZONE PROPERTIES COMPLY WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARD. 
          SO TOD ESSENTIALLY WILL TELL 'EM HOW TO USE IT ON THE INSIDE, BUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WILL TELL 'EM HOW TO DESIGN IT ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          AND SO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT SEEK TO REZONE TO TOD AND THEN GO THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, STILL WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THIS BODY FOR, UH, REVIEW OF THEIR DESIGNS. 
          SO, UM, OUR ENGAGEMENT STARTED, UM, IN APRIL WHEN WE LAUNCHED OUR ESSAY SPEAKUP SITE. 
          UH, AND SINCE THAT PROCESS, WE'VE HAD OVER A HUNDRED MEETINGS, UM, AND OUTREACH TOUCH POINTS TO DATE. 
          THOSE INCLUDE FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. 
          WE ALSO HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS SINCE, UH, A DRAFT WAS AVAILABLE IN EARLY OCTOBER. 
          ONE WAS HELD ON OCTOBER 22ND AT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY AND ONE ON NOVEMBER 2ND, UH, WE INVITED OVER 10,700 PEOPLE BY SENDING THEM A MAIL, A MAILER. 
          THOSE ARE 10,700 PEOPLE THAT WERE, UH, ALONG THE GREEN LINE. 
          SO WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THAT CORRIDOR, SINCE WE WERE ONLY STARTING WITH THE, WITH THE GREEN LINE AND THOSE BOUNDARY MAPS, THAT THAT MAILER GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OUR ESSAY SPEAKUP SITE, WHICH INCLUDED ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS FROM ALL THREE BODIES, WHICH 
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WAS THE TASK FORCE, THE REMOVING BARRIER SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP. 
          ALL THAT WAS, WAS ON AVAILABLE ON OUR ESSAY SPEAKUP SITE, SO THEY COULD KEEP TRACK OF IT AS THIS WAS MOVING ALONG THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          UH, SO OUR ADOPTION PROCESS ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE, WITH THE DRAFT OF THE FRAMEWORK AND THE DRAFT OF THE CODE, UH, WE HAD, WE'VE GONE TO SEVERAL COMMITTEES, UH, AND COMMISSIONS FOR RECOMME RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AS OF YESTERDAY, WE WENT TO ZONING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, TODAY WE ALSO, UH, WENT TO HOUSING COMMISSION THAT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          AND, UM, OUR, OUR LAST BRIEFING IS, IS TO YOU GUYS TODAY. 
          OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO GET TO DECEMBER, UH, 19TH FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. 
          CONSIDERATION. 
          SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK AND INPUT, UH, PROVIDE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL, AND IN ANY AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE CODE OR TO THE BOUNDARY MAPS OR TO THE FRAMEWORK CAN BE MADE AT CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 19TH. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          I'LL BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING AGAIN FOR THE THOUSANDS, PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          GETTING GOOD AT IT. 
          . 
          UM, UH, I WANNA FOCUS JUST ON THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF IT. 
          I AM CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER OVERLAYS AND HOW THOSE STANDARDS OR GUIDELINES WILL CONTROL, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE PROCESS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? AND THIS IS A QUESTION ALSO FOR CORY. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY COLLABORATED AND FIGURED THIS ONE OUT. 
          UH, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTIES OR LANDMARK PROPERTIES THAT FALL WITHIN THE TOD BOUNDARY AND THEN DESIRE TO GET REZONED FOR A TOD DESIGNATION? ARE WE ABLE TO BRING THEM TO OHP FIRST PERHAPS? SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROCESS, UM, IN OUR ZONING, UH, PROCESS. 
          SO, AND THE REASON WHY I KNOW THIS AGAIN, 'CAUSE I, UH, CAME FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THAT PROCESS STILL EXISTS TODAY. 
          SO WHEN AN OWNER, AN APPLICANT, UM, OR, UH, WANTS TO, UH, SUBMITS AN APPLICATION TO REZONE, UH, PART OF OUR PROCESS INCLUDES SENDING IT OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES THAT HAVE PURVIEW. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT IS WITHIN OUR WORLD HERITAGE BUFFER ZONE, IT GOES TO THE WORLD HERITAGE OFFICE. 
          WHEN IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A RIO DISTRICT, THAT APPLICATION IS IMMEDIATELY FORWARDED TO OUR OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, UH, COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT. 
          AND THOSE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE REZONING REQUEST. 
          SO, AT THAT TIME, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, COREY, AT THAT TIME, THE, THE, UH, STAFF IS ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS ARE FOR, UH, HDRC REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR, UH, FOR STAFF REVIEW. 
          SO THEY'RE ABLE TO COMMENT ON, UM, IF THERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT'S ATTACHED, IF IT REQUIRES A SITE PLAN OR, UH, THE LEVEL OF, OF INTENSITY OF THAT, OF THAT ZONING REQUEST. 
          UH, SO IN THAT PROCESS WILL STILL REMAIN EVEN AFTER, UH, WHETHER IT'S REQUESTING TO REZONE TO TOD, WHETHER IT'S REQUESTING TO IDZ OR WHETHER IT'S REQUESTING TO ANYTHING. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IDZ IS PROBABLY THE BEST COMPARISON. 
          SO WE DO THIS NOW, UM, IF SOMEBODY'S REQUESTING IDZ IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE WILL ALWAYS LEAVE STAFF COMMENTS. 
          UM, IF IT'S A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY COME HERE FOR CONCEPTUAL OR SCHEMATIC REVIEW, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT OUTCOME AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SO THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME HERE FIRST. 
          UM, BUT IF THEY DON'T COME HERE FIRST, THEN WE WILL STILL PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. 
          UM, AND IT, WE WILL COMMENT ON WHATEVER WE SEE. 
          AND SO IF THERE IS A DETAILED SITE PLAN AS PART OF THAT ZONING APPLICATION, WE'LL COMMENT ON SETBACKS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HIDE IT IF IT'S INDICATED AS IT RELATES TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, IF NOT, WE'LL SIMPLY STATE WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE, UM, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THAT, THAT PERMIT TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT. 
          AND WHEN THEY COME TO US, WE GAVE THEM A HOLISTIC LOOK. 
          SO HERE ARE THE THINGS, HERE ARE THE CHALLENGES, HERE ARE THE OBSTACLES, HERE ARE THE, THE PROCESSES THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND WE WANT THEM TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE FIRST, SO THAT WAY THEY AREN'T GETTING TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND REALIZING, OH, I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          SO WE, WE TELL THEM THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS TO HELP FACILITATE, UM, AN EASIER PATH. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO TALK TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FIRST, UH, BEFORE PROCEEDING DOWN, UH, DOWN THE PATH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT A POLICY? IS IT A PROCEDURE? IS IT A STANDARD WHERE, UH, WHERE COULD AN APPLICANT FIND THIS INFORMATION BEFORE THEY START GETTING REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE, UM, DESIGNATIONS AND WHAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO BEFORE THEY GET TOO, TOO, UM, INVESTED, LET'S SAY IT IS A POLICY THAT WE ADOPTED JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY AS PART OF A INFORMATIONAL BULLETIN FOR IDZ ZONING PROCESS. 
          UM, THERE'S NO OTHER TYPE OF ZONING REQUESTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE USUALLY THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AT THE TIME OF A 
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ZONING REQUEST. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT SEPARATE FROM THAT IB, UM, OHP STAFF JUST DOES THIS HABITUALLY. 
          AND SO WE ALWAYS GET NOTIFICATIONS FROM DSD STAFF ABOUT THE, THE PENDING OR TENTATIVE ZONING AGENDA. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'LL, WE WILL REVIEW THOSE CASES FOR A COUPLE REASONS. 
          WE'LL REVIEW FOR POTENTIAL DEMOLITION AND WE'LL ALSO REVIEW IF IT'S IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S, UM, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE DO SEE PEOPLE WHO COME IN WHO ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND WILL STAND BY THE ZONING AND PRIORITIZE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE MORE, BUT I WANNA GIVE Y'ALL A CHANCE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS, UH, A TOPIC THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, OBVIOUSLY IS THE, ARE THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES, RIGHT? AND HEART OF THE CITY'S PRIORITIES AND PURPOSES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, IS TO PROTECT AND EVEN ENHANCE, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTIES. 
          UM, MY CONCERN ABOUT WHAT I'VE SEEN AND PARTICIPATED IN, BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, I WAS AN ALTERNATE ON THE, UM, THE TASK FORCE, TASK FORCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, AS AN ALTERNATE FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ALSO. 
          AND YOU WERE ALSO ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND ALSO PARTICIPATED, OF COURSE, ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT, NOT A LOT OF, NOT A LOT OF ATTENTION WAS DIRECTED TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES OTHER THAN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE GUIDELINES, UM, CONTROL OVER THIS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THERE WAS SORT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN A PACKAGE OFF TO THE SIDE, IT WAS DECIDED EARLY ON AND RECOMMENDED EARLY ON. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS, IS CRITICAL AND IT'S NECESSARY BEYOND THAT. 
          AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE MAPS, AND AS MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S GONE THROUGH THE TEXT OF THE TOD AS IT RELATES TO THE GAME ON THE GROUND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT BUFFERING BETWEEN THE BOUNDARY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTIES AND THOSE THAT ARE TOD ELIGIBLE. 
          AND YOU AND I HAVE VISITED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, UH, ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          BUT AS I'M LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE TOD LINE, EVEN ON THE GREEN LINE, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERNS. 
          UM, IN THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND THE WEDDING CAKE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SCENARIO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FOR SOME CASES THAT MAY WORK. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM, . 
          BUT I TRULY BELIEVE IN ORDER TO CREATE AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER, UM, WE NEED SOME OTHER DEVICE, SOME OTHER NOTATION THAT EXTENDS TO PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT BE ABUTTED TO A HISTORIC PROPERTY, BUT MAY APPEAR ON ACROSS THE STREET IN CASES, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL FABRIC IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET, AND THAT COMMERCIAL IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN MX 12 OR EVEN UNLIMITED. 
          THAT 50 FOOT, 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT IS NOT BEST PRACTICE TO GO 150 OR AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT. 
          EVEN IN, UM, IN OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE USING A GRADIENT. 
          THEY'RE USING TRANSITIONS THAT ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTING OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S WHAT CONTROLS CORRECT. 
          SO HOW, UM, OTHER THAN MAKING SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS OR CON CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DOCUMENT, HOW DO WE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS KNOW THAT AN APPROPRIATE SCALED BUFFER CAN BE IMPLEMENTED WITH THIS? HOW DO WE DO THIS? SO IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED HISTORIC, RIGHT? UM, LET'S JUST ASSUME IT IS, THEN IT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT REVIEW PROCESS, RIGHT? YES. 
          BUT WE'RE OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. 
          IF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE OUTSIDE, DOES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO FIRST, UM, WHAT HASN'T BEEN DONE ON THE EAST WEST LINE OR ARE THE MAPS, THE BOUNDARIES TO DETERMINE WHAT PROPERTIES ARE ELIGIBLE? UH, SO, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, FIRST VIA HAS TO, HAS TO, UH, DESIGNATE IT AS AN ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT CORRIDOR BY THEIR BOARD. 
          ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THE STEP WOULD BE, UH, A CCR TO LOOK AT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR PROPERTIES AND GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OF CREATING MAPS, WHICH THEN ALLOW, UM, THE CREATION OF A TASK FORCE. 
          SO YOU HAVE A, A CENTRAL CORE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT, UM, KIND OF, UH, CREATE A, UH, A BASELINE, A DRAFT OF MAPS, SO THAT WAY THEN IT CAN GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE TO GET FEEDBACK ON. 
          SO THE, THE SAME PROCESS TO CREATE A CUSTOMIZED MAP APPROACH WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. 
          SO IF THERE ARE CONCERNS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOUCHING THE LINE, YOU COULD STILL LOOK AT THEM AND DETERMINE, THESE AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR TOD, THEY'RE, MAYBE THEY'RE TOO SMALL, MAYBE THEY'S, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, COMPONENTS TIED TO IT. 
          AND MAYBE YOU 
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RECOMMEND THAT THEY, THEY NOT BE IN THE ELIGIBILITY AREA, BUT IF THEY ARE IN THE ELIGIBILITY AREA, IF IT'S ULTIMATELY DECIDED, UH, BY THE, UH, COMMUNITY AND THEN ULTIMATELY DECIDED THROUGH THAT PROCESS GOING TO ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, THEN AGAIN, IT, IT, IT HAS TO START WITH THE REZONING. 
          SO REZONING REQUEST HAS TO COME IN FIRST. 
          UH, THE STAFF WILL LOOK AT IT AND ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT THEY DO IS THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF THAT CRITERIA. 
          SO IF IT IS SURROUNDED BY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR UNLIMITED HEIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY NEXT TO THE ADJACENT, UH, USES. 
          I CAN'T PREDICT, UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR REVIEW THAT'S IN THE CODE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          AND STAFF JUST PROVIDES A RECOMMENDATION. 
          ULTIMATELY, IT IS UP TO ZONING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT PROCESS INCLUDES A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS. 
          UH, SO IT'S NOT GUARANTEED JUST BECAUSE THE BOUNDARY MAP INCLUDES THEM, INCLUDES THEM, THEY STILL HAVE TO REQUEST TO REZONE. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          IF I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND I'M ON THAT TOD AND I'VE GOT A LARGE PARCEL, I'M ALREADY ZONE COMMERCIAL THREE, I'M ALREADY USING IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THE TASK FORCE AND THE COMMUNITY THINKS IT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED, BUT I WANT TO BE INCLUDED. 
          YOU PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT. 
          AND AGAIN, ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO ZONING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION IN CITY COUNCIL ON THOSE BOUNDARY MAPS. 
          JUST LIKE YESTERDAY, WE MADE SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, TO SOME OF THE MAPS ALONG THE GREEN LINE, UM, MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO ZONING COMMISSION. 
          THEY PROVIDED THEIR RECOMMENDATION. 
          BUT THERE STILL IS THAT OPPORTUNITY ALL THE WAY TO, UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THOSE MAPS. 
          OKAY. 
          TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, UM, ALTHOUGH THE ORDINANCE OR THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE DEFERS THOSE DECISIONS TO ZONING, I, I'M PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. 
          WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE, IN THE CODE. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT OVERTLY OR PROACTIVELY COMMENTS ON THE, THE BORDER OR THE EDGES OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN GENERAL. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY, MY FEEDBACK AFTER WORKING ON THIS. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE THE, UM, THE OTHER COMPONENTS ARE OPEN AND VAGUE ENOUGH TO INTERPRETATION THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THE CONTROL OF, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR EVEN THIS BODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, , UH, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINA, JUST KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER TWO MINUTES BEFORE WE START. 
          WELL, I CAN DO THIS. 
          UM, YESTERDAY WAS A GRUELING EIGHT, NINE HOUR ZONING, RIGHT? AND SO THERE WERE KEY DECISIONS MADE DURING ZONING. 
          WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE WE TO EXPECT WITH THE, THE, THE DOCUMENT GOING FORWARD AS YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL? ARE THOSE DECISIONS, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ZONING, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE STAFF OR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL? SO THERE IS THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. 
          THERE'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THERE'S THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE WILL BE SURE TO INCORPORATE THE ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADD A 25% RE, UH, MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THE MX DISTRICT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO WE'LL NOTE THAT IN THE PROPOSED CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CALLED OUT. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PRESENTING, UM, ALL THREE. 
          SO WE'RE PRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, WHICH HAD, UH, NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS OTHER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL CODE. 
          UM, THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THE MAPS. 
          AND THE MAPS ARE MOVING FORWARD TOO, ALSO, RIGHT. 
          BASED ON ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A BATCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEY ARE NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT IS, UM, SO STAFF AND TASK FORCE, AND WE KIND OF LIKE WORK TOGETHER DURING THAT PROCESS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS WE HAVE TO PRESENT BOTH PLANNING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM ZONING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THE, OF THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM EACH BODY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, , JUST ONE QUICK, UH, COMMENT, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER ENO'S COMMENTS THAT TRANSITION SPACES BETWEEN THIS POTENTIALLY MUCH HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT COULD BE SOMEHOW INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, UH, THE NEW CODE OR, UH, RATHER THAN JUST LEAVING IT UP TO, UM, CHANCE. 
          WELL, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CODE, WHICH IS THE CRITERIA FOR REVIEW. 
          [00:25:01]
THAT'S IN ARTICLE FOUR. 
          AND IN THAT IS THE, UM, UH, UH, LOOKING AT ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING, UH, LAND USES. 
          AND, AND THERE IS NO, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE'S A DISTINCT LENS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PRIORITIZE ONE OVER THE OTHER. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THEM ALL, WHETHER IT'S HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S A RIO DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S AN NCD, UM, WHETHER IT'S THE MILITARY, UM, UH, PROTECTION AREA, UH, WHETHER IT IS THE MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE. 
          AND, AND SO I THINK THAT IS CODIFIED IN THE CODE AND THAT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA. 
          IT HAS TO BE PRESENTED AT ZONING COMMISSION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, SURROUNDING LAND USES. 
          SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          EVEN THOUGH THAT PROPERTY'S NOT WITHIN IT, YOU'RE STILL PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT IT'S A BUDDYING OR WHAT IT'S ADJACENT TO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL THANK YOU MS. HERNANDEZ. 
          WE ARE RETIRED TODAY. 
          WE HAVE THE QUITE AS SHORT NOW 'CAUSE WE NEED TO GET STARTED. 
          YES. 
          WITH HRC MEETINGS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [3:00 PM – Call to Order]
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, EVERYONE. 
          UM, TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THIS THIRD DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH, 2024. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO SINO? HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          EVA. 
          HERE. 
          GROUP CERVANTES. 
          HERE. 
          HERE. 
          HOLLAND. 
          HERE. 
          FETZER HERE. 
          AND GIBBS HERE. 
          AND I'LL NOTE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO HAS JOINED HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? ENO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC DESIGNER REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. 
          AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERATION WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED, THE CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITHIN AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          UM, THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY IS NEXT WEEK, AND SO MOST CITY SERVICES, UM, INCLUDING THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WILL BE CLOSED ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, AND SO PLEASE PLAN ACCORDINGLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO DO A WEEKEND PROJECT AND SUBMIT THAT COA IN ADVANCE OF OF PERFORMING WORK, UM, QUICKLY, WE JUST NEED TO DO APPROVAL MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 6TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES PLEASE? I SO MOVE. 
          SECOND. 
          BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          EVA AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY. 
          UM, WE CAN, UH, TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN HERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE THREE 
          [00:30:01]
ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS FOR ONE ITEM THAT WE'LL PLACE SHORTLY. 
          UM, NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. 
          UM, JUST ALSO QUICK, A QUICK NOTE THAT ITEM SIX, WHICH IS 1 0 5 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY STREET, HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          SO VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM ONE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, CALLING IN FOR THE DIGNITY WITTY HILL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE ON CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 71. 
          THE DIGNITY WHI HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS REQUESTING THAT THE PROJECT OWNER PRESENT THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS, SITE WORK AND PAVING, LIGHTING, STREET FURNISHINGS, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, AND SIDEWALK MODIFICATIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          PRIOR TO THIS BEING APPROVED BY OHP, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD OF THIS PROJECT AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING, ALLOW RESIDENT RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT THE PLANS ARE AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE. 
          MAY I HAVE A, A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM TWO AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          S AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND, COME BACK. 
          UH, FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          LUKE, CAN WE GET A VOTE FROM YOU? AYE, I'M SORRY I WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY. 
          AYE, YOU, YOU, MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 0 6 EAST SUMMIT OR 88 0 1 SOUTH FLORES, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED, YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED TO YOU, UH, AND WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE, UH, CITY STAFF HERE, UH, FOR THE HAY STREET BRIDGE CONNECTIONS PROJECT THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF Y'ALL HAVE THOSE THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVES HERE OR ADRIAN GARCIA. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          HI ADRIAN GARCIA. 
          UH, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          I'M NOT CITY STAFF. 
          I WORK FOR THE, UH, CONSULTING FIRM THAT'S REPRESENTING THE CITY, WGI ENGINEERING, UM, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE HAY STREET BRIDGE CONNECTION EAST SIDE STREETS PROJECT. 
          UM, AS YOU SEE ON, ON YOUR SCREEN HERE, THIS IS A GOOD OVERLAY OF OUR, OUR PROJECT. 
          UM, WE, UH, THIS IS A, A, UH, 2022 CITY BOND PROJECT, UH, THAT KICKED OFF ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO NOW, UM, WITH OUR DESIGN PHASE. 
          SO WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE 95% DESIGN PHASE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THE, THE COA PROCESS AND, AND, UM, THAT'S THE, THE REASON THAT I'M HERE TODAY. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE A PRE-SUBMIT MEETING, SO I TALKED TO SOME OF YOU AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE SOME OF YOU IN THE FLESH HERE TODAY. 
          UM, SO I, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS AND I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ALLUDED TO ON THAT VOICEMAIL ABOUT PRESENTING THIS TO THE, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND GETTING SOME OF THEIR FEEDBACK AND KIND OF, UM, JUST MAKING THEM AWARE OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2023. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE PROJECT AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE AS MUCH DETAIL AS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THIS SUBMITTAL. 
          SO, UM, WE, UH, SO YEAH, WE SUBMITTED TODAY, UM, WANTED TO JUST, UH, YEAH, INTRODUCE THE PROJECT OF, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S, IT'S A SHARED USE PATH. 
          UM, OUR INTENT IS TO, IS TO, UM, FOLLOW A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND THE STYLES AND THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE SET FORTH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SHARED USE PATH LIGHTING. 
          UM, THERE'S GONNA BE, WE, WE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS OR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WITH SECURITY IN MIND, UM, WITH, WITH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, ON THE CITY SIDE. 
          SO, UM, SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS, SAFETY FOR BICY BICYCLISTS, UM, SAFETY FOR, UH, PEOPLE AROUND THE BRIDGE, SECURITY LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR, UM, YEAH, ANY FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I PULLED THIS, UH, CASE BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          WE DID MEET AT A DRC AND HAD SOME GOOD FEEDBACK 
          [00:35:01]
AND IT WAS GOOD TO SEE HOW THIS PROJECT, UM, CONNECTS UNDERNEATH I 37 OFTEN TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, WHO IS YOUR PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? SO AT THE TIME THAT WE HAD THAT MEETING, IT WAS MARIANO MARTINO, UHHUH , UM, BUT WE'VE, IT'S JUST CHANGED HANDS TO JAMES WICHINSKI. 
          TO JAMES WICHINSKI. 
          OH, JAMES, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU BRIEFLY LET US KNOW OF THE CHANGES TO THIS SET THAT YOU MADE FROM THE PREVIOUS SET WHEN WE SAW YOU AT THE DRC? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, UM, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE TWO SETS? UM, WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE LANDSCAPING SIDE, ON THE LANDINGS. 
          UM, I THINK WE WERE STILL KIND OF GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN ITERATIONS ON THE LANDING SIDE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE OUR SUB-CONSULTANT HERE, TBG, THAT CAN PROBABLY SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THOSE, TO THOSE ITEMS AS FAR AS LIKE SEATING AND FURNISHINGS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO, UM, INCLUDE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THE FENCING THAT WAS GONNA BE REQUIRED, UM, IN THE TEXT DOT RIGHT AWAY UNDER I 37 AND THEN AT MAVERICK PARK AS WELL WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME FENCING AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO FENCING AREAS THAT WE'RE, UM, ADJUSTING OR WE'RE JUST KIND OF REALIGNING THE FENCE IN THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          SO NO BIG STYLE CHANGES AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, OR ONE OF THE REQUESTS WE DID MAKE WAS THAT YOU MEET UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO PRESENT THIS SINCE SO MUCH WORK HAS OCCURRED SINCE DECEMBER, UH, WHENEVER THAT MEETING WAS AND THAT YOU PRESENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT YOU HAVE YOU DONE THAT? WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WE, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BALL IS ROLLING ON THAT, ON THE CITY SIDE, UM, TO GET THAT SET UP THROUGH THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROJECT OUTREACH TEAM AND, AND KIND OF ON THAT SIDE OF IT, UM, PART OF IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A, UH, JUST OUR PROJECT MANAGER GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS LIKE EXHIBITS AND AND THINGS. 
          FOR THE WHO, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT? IS THAT YOU AS THE CON AS THE CONTRACT HOLDER OR IS IT THE CITY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? UM, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TEAM TEAM EFFORT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT OUTREACH MANAGERS IN THE PROJECT MANAGERS ON THEIR SIDE TO, UM, SPEARHEAD THOSE COMMUNITY EFFORTS. 
          AND YOUR CDS ARE WHAT PERCENTAGE COMPLETE? WE'RE AT 95%. 
          95. 
          BEFORE YOU GET TO 96, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BEFORE I'M COMFORTABLE GIVING, UH, SUPPORT TO THIS, SO I'LL LET THE OTHERS COMMENT. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, COMMISSIONER S UM, LED ONTO THAT, BUT, SO YOUR PUBLIC MEETING WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2023 AND, AND YOU HAVE NOT HAD ANYTHING ELSE, UM, UP TO TODAY. 
          AND, UM, MY QUESTION IS WHY, BECAUSE YOU STATED THAT THE PROJECT IS ROLLING FORWARD AND AS YOU JUST STATED, THAT YOU'RE AT 95% MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I FEEL AS THOUGH SOMETHING'S MISSING HERE. 
          I MEAN, CLEARLY, UM, THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LEFT OUT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S PURPOSELY, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS SEEN SINCE WE'RE SO FAR INTO THIS AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONSULTED. 
          SO PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT. 
          YEAH, SO THERE, THERE IS A, A MEETING THAT WAS PLANNED FOR, UM, PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION STARTING TO KIND OF LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOW, LIKE, LIKE A HERE WE COME CONSTRUCTION MEETING. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS STILL STILL PLANNED UPON. 
          THERE WASN'T A PRELIMINARY MEETING PRIOR TO THAT SCHEDULED, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE AND THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO PUT YOURSELF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SITUA IN, IN THEIR, IN THEIR STANCE. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD FEEL IF, YOU KNOW THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN AND THEN WE'RE ALMOST 5% FROM BEING COMPLETE TO WHAT WE NEED TO, UM, WE NEED TO GET DONE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, OH, WELL WE PLANNED AND OH, WE'RE GOING TO, AND, BUT NOTHING'S ON THE BOOKS. 
          HOW, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK I'M BIG ON, ON TRANSPARENCY AND LIKE, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING WITH THIS PROJECT OR RAM IT DOWN ANYBODY'S THROATS AND, AND, UM, OF COURSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN ON THAT SIDE AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO, UM, HAVE SOME INPUT AND HAVE SOME HEADS UP ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID INCORPORATE A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THAT INITIAL MEETING FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, AT THE PUBLIC, UM, IN DECEMBER. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THAT PRELIMINARY STEP PRIOR TO, TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMMISSIONER FETZER? YES. 
          UH, I WAS AT THAT DRC WE HAD BACK IN SEPTEMBER, UH, SO TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          AND WE 
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REQUESTED OR COMMENTED THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT IN TO THE PROCESS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT GIVES, UH, THE CITY A BLACK EYE IS WHEN THESE, UH, DISTRICT WIDE OR NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE PROJECTS HAPPEN AND THERE'S NOT, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU OR ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT I THINK IT'S A FAILING OF THE, UM, OF THE PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, AS SUCH, I MOVED TO POSTPONE THIS, UH, VOTE UNTIL THAT PUBLIC MEETING IS HELD, UM, BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, IS THAT YOUR MOTION NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE WITH REGARDS TO THE PROCESS THAT A FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAS TALKED ABOUT? WHERE DOES YOUR LANE PICK UP ON THIS PROJECT AND WHERE DOES THE CITY'S LANE STOP WITH REGARDS TO INTERACTION WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC? ARE YOU JUST DESIGNING AND BUILDING IT OR DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR SCOPE OF WORK THE GUIDELINE OR THE GUIDANCE TO REACH OUT AND DO THIS? I GUESS MORE OF A CITY INTERACTION? YEAH, SO, UM, WE HAVE OUR SCOPE IS TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          SO THE SUPPORT IS, IS IN THE FORM OF, UM, BEING THERE, PROVIDING EXHIBITS, PROVIDING OUR DESIGN, UM, UPDATES. 
          SO, SO, SO TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AS IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU'RE PLAN ON PUTTING ON THE GROUND HERE? CORRECT. 
          BUT THE OUTREACH, THE REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC WHILE YOU DO HAVE A PART IN IT, THE LEAD ON THAT IS THE CITY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND YOUR POC, AGAIN, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE CITY IS WHO? UM, IT JUST CHANGED HANDS AS WELL. 
          UM, THE NAMES I DON'T RECALL RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE EMPHASIS ON THIS IS THAT IT IS A BOND PROJECT. 
          SO THERE HAS BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD CONS, UM, PARTICIPATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THIS IS TRUE WITH MANY OF THE BOND PROJECTS. 
          AND, UM, UH, THAT SHOULD BE THE CONTINUITY OF A BOND PROJECT IS KEEPING THE COMMUNITIES INVOLVED. 
          AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING CHANGES OR NOTHING CHANGES, BUT IT IS A COURTESY TO SEE HOW BOND MONEY IS SPENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD SIR. 
          YEAH, JUST AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE DOING YOUR PART, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT YOUR LANE TO BE HERE. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR THE CITY REP TO BE HERE. 
          SHANNON, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, GET THE CITY REP OVER HERE NEXT TIME THIS GUY COMES OVER, IT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUT HIM UP HERE ON THE SPOT AND NOT HAVE A CITY REP HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE COORDINATION, UH, EFFORTS HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MOTION IS FOR IS TO POSTPONE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAV? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. 
          I IT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, HT OR C. 
          CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 360 6 3 0 1 LAVACCA, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 1,966 SQUARE FOOT. 
          REAR ADDITION TWO CONSTRUCTION, APPROXIMATELY 360 SQUARE FOOT REAR CARPORT ACCESSIBLE FROM GARFIELD ALLEY. 
          THREE. 
          INSTALL A NEW CONCRETE APRON FROM GARFIELD ALLEY FOUR, CONSTRUCTED SIX FOOT TALL LIMESTONE PRIVACY WALL AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON SITE. 
          UM, ITEM ONE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FI ON THE FINDINGS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ADMINISTRATION TO THE INDIANOLA STREET FACING FACADE ON THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IF APPLICABLE. 
          ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE GARFIELD ALLEY CARPORT BASED ON FINDING IN, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT 
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IF APPLICABLE. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR OF THE NEW CONCRETE APRON FROM GARFIELD ALLEY BASED ON THE FINDING O AS SUBMITTED. 
          AND ITEM FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE SIX FOOT TALL LIMESTONE PRIVACY WALL BASED ON FINDING P WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A STAFF, UM, PROVIDE STAFF AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIMESTONE PRIOR TO INSTALLATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RELOCATE THE SOUTHERNMOST LIMESTONE WALL FURTHER BACK FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S. 
          FRONT WALL PLANE TO BE FLUSHED WITH THE ADDITION SOUTHERNMOST WALL PLANE. 
          THE APPLICANT FERNANDO MORALES IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          THERE IS ONE DOCUMENT IN YOUR LATE UH, FOLDER FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON AUGUST 7TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS INCORPORATED COMMISSIONER AND STAFF FEEDBACK AND IS RETURNING FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING C AND D, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THEY'RE DISAGREEING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ADMINISTRATION TO THAT INDIANOLA STREET FACING WALL PLANE ON THE REAR EDITION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIMESTONE WALL PLACEMENT IS THE APPLICANT HERE. 
          FERNANDO MORALES CANDID WORKS. 
          THANK YOU, PLEASE WAS YOUR CASE SIR? UH, SO JUST, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND OUR FIRM, UM, WE'VE APPRECIATED OHP, UH, AND H DRCS ASSISTANCE AND INPUT THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE AND THE OWNER BOTH RECOGNIZE THE RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE TO STEWARD THIS PROPERTY WELL. 
          UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT REPRESENTS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORIC FABRIC, UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD THAT IT'S FINALLY GETTING THE CARE IT DESERVES. 
          UM, AS SUCH, WE'VE REVIEWED STAFF'S FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS LISTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO, UH, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION. 
          NOW, THE FIRST STIPULATION WOULD BE, UH, STIPULATION ONE UNDER ITEM ONE, WHICH STATES THAT THE APPLICANT ADD FENESTRATION TO THE INDIANOLA STREET FACING FACADE ON THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION. 
          WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE AMOUNT OF FENESTRATION ON THE INDIANOLA FACADES IS QUITE LIMITED. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY REVIEW THE FACTORS THAT DROVE THIS DESIGN DECISION, UM, WHICH WE ALSO SHARED, UM, IN SOME FORM AT THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW STAGE. 
          THE FIRST FACTOR WOULD BE THE OWNER'S CONCERNS OVER PRIVACY AND NOISE IN LIGHT OF OUR EXPECTATION THAT INDIANOLA WILL BECOME AN INCREASINGLY BUSY STREET OVER TIME FOR BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AS THE CAESAR CHAVEZ CORRIDOR HEMISPHERE AND THE PARKING LOTS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF OUR SITE ALL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, UM, OVER TIME. 
          UH, NOT TO MENTION THE ACTIVITY THAT MIGHT BE BROUGHT BY A POTENTIAL NEW BASKETBALL ARENA ABOUT 300 YARDS AWAY. 
           UM, ADDING WINDOWS TO THE INDIANOLA FACADES, UH, WOULD TO A DEGREE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT COULD ENTER THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, AND SPECIAL CONCERN IN THIS REGARD IS, UM, FOR THE PORTION OF THE NEW EDITION THAT WOULD BE CLOSEST TO INDIANOLA, WHICH WILL BE A BEDROOM, WE'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO CONVINCE THE OWNER TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS PROJECT IN SPITE OF THESE CONCERNS. 
          UM, WHICH SHE'S REITERATED TO US MANY, MANY TIMES. 
          UM, AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO, UM, CREATE SOMETHING THAT, THAT ALLAYS HER CONCERNS WITHOUT, UM, IT LOOKING TOO MUCH LIKE A FORTRESS ON THE OUTSIDE, WHICH WE KNOW WOULDN'T BE DESIRABLE. 
          THE SECOND FACTOR WOULD BE OUR EFFORT TO MINIMIZE SOLAR HEAT GAINS. 
          SO THE INDIANOLA FACADES ARE WEST FACING AND WE GENERALLY MAKE IT A PRACTICE TO MINIMIZE WEST FACING WINDOWS WHENEVER POSSIBLE DUE TO THE INTENSITY OF THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING SUN. 
          GRANTED, THIS REFLECTS A MODERN CONCERN OVER ENERGY CONSERVATION, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY KEY TO THE COMMISSION'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE OF PROTECTING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT IT BE AFFORDED SOME DEGREE OF MERIT NONETHELESS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THE LACK OF FENESTRATION IS ALSO TO A DEGREE, AN AESTHETIC DECISION. 
          WE FEEL THAT THE BLANK FACADES WILL CONTRIBUTE AN ABSTRACT CHARACTER TO THE ADDITION THAT WILL HELP REINFORCE THE QUIETNESS OF THE DESIGN. 
          IT'S OUR SENSE THAT THE UNDERSTATED NATURE OF THESE FACADES FULLY CLAD WITH THE CHARRED WOOD SIDING, WHICH IS A, A VERY ELEGANT MATERIAL IN, IN OUR VIEW, AND CERTAINLY AN EXPENSIVE ONE WILL HELP THE ADDITION RECEDE INTO THE BACKGROUND VISUALLY AND FOCUS ATTENTION ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UNDERSTANDING STAFF'S CONCERN OVER THE BLANK FACADES, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE OBSCURING THEM FROM VIEW WITH EVERGREEN TREES RATHER THAN ADDING FENESTRATION IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN FEATURES MOUNTAIN LAURELS, WHICH ARE EVERGREENS AND EVERGREEN SUMAC AGAINST THESE FACADES. 
          AND I PROVIDED A RENDERING THAT GIVES A SENSE OF WHAT THE VIEW 
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FROM INDIANOLA WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN THE VARIOUS LAYERS OF VEGETATION REACH MATURITY. 
          THE SECOND STIPULATION WE'D LIKE TO BRING UP FOR CONSIDERATION IS STIPULATION TWO UNDER ITEM FOUR, WHICH STATES THAT THE APPLICANT RELOCATE THE SOUTHERNMOST LIMESTONE WALL FURTHER BACK FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, FRONT WALL PLANE TO BE FLUSHED WITH THE ADDITION SOUTHERNMOST WALL PLANE. 
          THE WALL IN QUESTION IS THE ONE THAT WILL APPEAR TO THE, THE RIGHT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WHEN VIEWED FROM LAVACCA STREET. 
          OUR DESIGN SHOWS THE WALL BEING SET BACK TWO FEET FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE. 
          CONCEPT REVIEW. 
          BEHIND THE WALL WILL BE A SMALL POCKET COURTYARD PROVIDING OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE TO THE OWNER. 
          THE WALL AND THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT ARE ALSO INTENDED TO MASK AND MINIMIZE THE PRESENCE OF THE NEW ADDITION FROM LEVOA STREET. 
          HELPING TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AS THE PRIMARY FOCUS MOVING THE WALL BACK AS THE STIPULATION REQUIRES, WOULD ESSENTIALLY UNDO BOTH OF THESE DESIGN STRATEGIES. 
          TO MY MEMORY, WE WERE NOT DIRECTED TO RECONSIDER THE WALL LOCATION, UM, AT THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW STAGE. 
          SO IN THIS FINAL DESIGN, IT REMAINS WHERE WE HAD IT BEFORE, TWO FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          SO HERE AGAIN, WE'RE SEEKING TO BALANCE PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STREET SCAPE WITH THE OWNER'S DESIRE FOR PRIVATE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE. 
          IN THE COURTYARD BEHIND THE WALL, THERE WILL BE SMALL UNDERSTORY TREES AND NOTABLY A WATER FEATURE WHICH WILL HELP, UH, SERVE AS ANOTHER MECHANISM FOR MASKING TRAFFIC NOISE. 
          THIS POCKET COURTYARD, AS WELL AS THE OTHER THREE COURTYARDS IN THE DESIGN WERE A BIG PART OF HOW WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE THE OWNER TO DO THIS PROJECT. 
          THAT BEING THE CASE, WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE CURRENT DESIGN, WHICH SEEKS TO GIVE PRECEDENCE TO THE HISTORIC FACADE BY KEEPING THE WALL TWO FEET BACK FROM THE EXISTING HISTORIC FACADE. 
          AND WE'D ALSO ASK THAT THE COMMISSION KEEP IN MIND THAT THE NEW FRONT PORCH WILL BE ADDING TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WILL HELP TO MAKE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES PRESENCE MORE PRONOUNCED ALONG THE STREET SCAPE AND COMPENSATE FOR ANY VISUAL FLATTENING, UM, THAT THE NEW WALL MIGHT CAUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON OUR ITEM NUMBER FOUR REGARDING THAT LIMESTONE PRIVACY WALL ON THE FRONT, ON THE LE LE BACA SIDE. 
          WHAT IS THE CONCERN OR THE, WHAT ARE YOU CITING TO REQUEST THAT THAT WALL BE MOVED FURTHER BACK FROM I, I TOLD RYAN OR BRIAN TO WRITE IT SO I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION. 
          . 
          UM, YEAH, THE GUIDELINES REQUIRE THAT PRIVACY FENCES BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE. 
          UM, AND SO IT IS SET BACK FROM THE PORCH, THE NEW PORCH PLANE, UM, THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH COMING TO THAT CORNER. 
          AND SO WE JUST THINK IT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IF IT WAS FURTHER BACK FROM THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE HOUSE FURTHER THAN TWO FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AND THE GUIDELINES DON'T PRESCRIBE A CERTAIN, UM, DISTANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE JUST LOOK FOR WHAT'S PRACTICAL. 
          UM, AND SOME HOUSES THERE'S A WINDOW AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF GO THAT ONE BAY BACK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THIS IS A REALLY SMALL HOUSE. 
          IT IS. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING, UM, RESPECTFUL OF WHAT IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF, OF WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, ITS AGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FACT THAT IT'S INTACT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SINCE IT IS SO SMALL, THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, THAT ELEVATION, THAT GABLE END IS SO SMALL, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER AN APPROPRIATE DISTANCE? WOULD IT BE THREE FEET PERHAPS? YEAH, PERHAPS. 
          UM, I THINK IF IT WERE TO ALIGN WITH WHERE THE ADDITION IS, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, BUT I, I KNOW THEY'RE WANTING SOME LITTLE BIT OF COURTYARD SPACE THERE BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE PRIVACY FENCE. 
          I ALSO THINK IT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT IT'S A SIMILAR MATERIAL AND SO WE JUST, WE WANT THE BUILDING TO STAND OUT. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET LOST IN THAT KIND OF CONTINUOUS WALL PLANE STOP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WHATEVER THE, THE SOLUTION IS, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK THAT IF THEY HAD CONSIDERED OTHER MATERIALS, LIKE MAYBE MORE TRANSPARENT, MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, I THINK WE WOULD BE OPENING TO OPEN, EXCUSE ME, TO CONSIDER, UH, TO CONSIDERING OTHER MATERIALS. 
          WE DO HAVE A DESIGN FOR A SIX FOOT TALL, UM, CEDAR SLAT PRIVACY FENCE, WHICH MAYBE COULD BE EMPLOYED AT THAT LOCATION. 
          ALSO, ANOTHER IDEA MIGHT BE TO CREATE A, UM, A SMALL GAP BETWEEN THE END OF THE WALL AND THE EXISTING WALL SURFACE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE SO THAT, UM, SO THAT A LINE THAT CREATES A TERMINATION POINT FOR, FOR 
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YOUR EYE, YOU KNOW, AS IT TRAVELS ACROSS THE FACADE. 
          UM, THAT COULD BE SAY LIKE A 12 INCH WIDE GAP, UM, TO CREATE A, A GREATER SENSE OF, OF SEPARATION. 
          I'M NOT SO BIG A FAN OF A GAP, BUT LIKE OTHER TYPES OF MATERIAL, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, UM, AS WELL AS WELL AS OTHER, OTHER, UM, DESIGNS FOR THE WALL ITSELF THAT WE MIGHT EXPLORE TO HELP CREATE, UH, A GREATER SENSE OF DISTINCTION THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES. 
          COULD YOU PUT UP, UH, UH, THE BILLING ELEVATIONS ON PAGE 15 AND ZOOM INTO, UM, THE STRUCTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IT'S EAST ELEVATION YEAH. 
          THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, OF THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE WALL IN QUESTION IS ABOUT HALF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE AND THE WINDOW. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE TOOTH, HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE TWO FEET? OR IS IT MORE FOR WHAT SIZE COURTYARD YOU WANTED? I, IT WAS SORT OF A FUNCTION OF BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, THE CLEAR INTERIOR WIDTH OF THE COURTYARD IS EIGHT FEET, UM, WHICH WE FEEL IS ALREADY SOMEWHAT TIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE FELT THAT PRESERVING TWO FEET ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN HAVING EIGHT CLEAR ON THE INSIDE WAS, WAS A SUITABLE COMPROMISE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT PUTTING WINDOWS ON THE INDIANOLA ELEVATIONS, BUT THAT IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND GUIDELINES, UH, HISTORIC GUIDELINES STATE THAT, UH, FENESTRATION SHOULD BE, UH, INCLUDED IN NEW ADDITIONS, UH, ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          AND, UM, YOU DO HAVE A DESIGN AESTHETIC THAT, UH, YOU'RE CARRYING THROUGH THE PROPERTY, BUT, UH, I STILL FIND ESPECIALLY THE, UH, THE GABLE AND UH, UM, ALMOST AN INTRUSION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S SO BLANK AND SIMPLE. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT'S YOUR DESIGN AESTHETIC, BUT HAVE YOU EXPLORED OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR QUOTE UNQUOTE FENESTRATION SUCH AS, UH, FIXED SHUTTERS? SO YOU ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE GLASS ON THAT FACADE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE A WINDOW BEHIND A FIXED SHUTTER, UH, JUST TO GIVE SOMETHING TO THE, THE PEDESTRIAN REALM, PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET. 
          YOU DON'T SEE THIS, THIS BLANK WALL WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED EXACTLY THAT. 
          UM, WE MET WITH, UH, A GREAT DEAL OF RESISTANCE TO THAT IDEA, UM, FROM THE OWNER. 
          BUT IF THAT'S THE DECISION THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, PRESSES FOR AND INSISTS UPON, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE. 
          UM, SO YES, UH, A SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S SOME KIND OF FIXED SHUTTER OVER, UM, A WINDOW BEHIND OR THAT GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF A WINDOW BEHIND IS CERTAINLY DOABLE ON THAT FACADE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, GROUP, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS AN AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ALREADY PROPOSED. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BACK IN AUGUST. 
          IT IT WAS, YEAH. 
          SO THE APPLICANT'S HERE TODAY FOR FINAL APPROVAL FOR FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL DO A MOTION JUST FOR US TO GO ON DISCUSSION, BUT PLEASE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN FOR DONALD, CAN YOU PUT THE, UM, ITEMS ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? SO I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE? NO, GO UP, GO DOWN WHERE YOU WERE WITH THE STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION ONE AND TWO, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THREE AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STIPULATION ONE. 
          AND THEN I WOULD SAY WITH A CHANGE OF STIPULATION TWO TO BE, UM, MATERIAL THAT IS CREATES A, THAT NOT STONE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY. 
          I'LL SECOND IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO JUST I THINK THE ADMINISTRATIONS AND DNL IS SOMETHING THAT UNFORTUNATELY YOUR PROPERTY'S ON THE CORNER, RIGHT? SO I THINK A SOLUTION TO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, UM, WOULD ASSUME. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD STAY THERE. 
          AND THEN I AM, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO ON THE CORNER, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE PRIVACY FENCE, BUT I WOULD SAY I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          MY MORTGAGE IS FINDING SOME KIND OF A MATERIAL THAT'S DIFFERENT IN STONE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE ALL THE COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GRU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A SLIGHT CHANGE TO, UM, THE STIPULATION ON THE, THE PRIVACY FENCE THAT OTHER OPTIONS BE EXPLORED, WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE STONE, BUT SOME SORT OF, UH, GAP BETWEEN THE END OF THE STONE AND THE WALL OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT AS A, AN OPTION? WELL, I WASN'T REALLY A FAN OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK, UM, THE STONE IS A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN A GAP, AND THEN WE'RE LIKE FINDING A GAP. 
          UM, HOW ABOUT THIS WITHOUT DESIGNING? IS THAT, UM, BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, SOMETHING PRESENTING TO STAFF? I GUESS THE STIPULATION TO STAFF WAS MORE ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE WALL AND THEN LEAVE IT AT DISCRETION OF THE STAFF. 
          IF STAFF FINDS THAT THE GAP CREATES THAT SEPARATION ENOUGH, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? UH, THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME. 
          I THINK JUST GIVING THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER A LITTLE, UH, LEEWAY IN THE DESIGN OF THAT ELEMENT ON THE SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES, I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL JUST ADD, THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. 
          SO I THINK IF WE HAD THOUGHT OF THAT, WE, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE STIPULATION RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AS WELL. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAV? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          GROUP? AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          YES. 
          AYE. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 4 1 6 34 CEDAR STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO. 
          ONE, DEMOLISH THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          TWO. 
          INSTALL A REAR CARPORT. 
          THREE. 
          MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH. 
          STEPS FOUR. 
          INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL LOUVER WOOD PICKET FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH. 
          FIVE. 
          INSTALL BRICK PLANTER BOXES. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H. 
          UM, IF THE HD OR C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE SHALL APPLY. 
          UM, ITEM TWO. 
          IF THE HGRC IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, A, IF OPTION A IS APPROVED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WOOD POSTS AND BEAMS IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED DEAL POSTS AND BEAMS. THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED US SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCES OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          B. 
          IF OPTION B IS APPROVED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING FEATURING BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES 
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WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF WIDE INCHES WIDE FOR THE CARDBOARDS GD AREAS AS REPRESENTED IN THE APPLICANT'S DRAWINGS. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORTION STEP MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING J. 
          ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE HGRC AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING, UH, MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 5 14. 
          ITEM FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BRAKE PLANNER, UH, INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING L UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          VICTORIA. 
          GO, UH, GO. 
          AND THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER ALEX GARCIA ARE HERE VIRTUALLY. 
          THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. 
          THERE ARE UPDATED RENDERINGS REFLECTING THE REQUEST IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. 
          UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE FOLLOWING, THIS PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO DRC ON OCTOBER 16TH, AND SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS PARTICIPATED IN A DRC SITE VISIT TO ASSESS THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CONDITION AND HAS PARTICIPATED IN A VIRTUAL DRC TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CARPORT AND THE OTHER REQUEST ITEMS AS NOTED IN FINDING B AND C. 
          UM, TODAY THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED THE ORIGINAL CARPORT REQUEST AS OPTION A IN THEIR SUBMISSION, AND OPTION B INCORPORATES COMMISSIONER FEEDBACK FROM THE DRC MEETINGS. 
          BOTH OPTION A AND B CAN BE FOUND IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, I'M HERE. 
          UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MAY I HAVE, UM, SO APPLICANT IS VIRTUAL? YES. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD PLEASE. 
          P UM, IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE AND THEN, UM, PRESENT YOUR CASE. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS VICTORIA GOFF WITH LUSH GREENSCAPE DESIGN. 
          ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M HERE ADVOCATING FOR HOMEOWNERS ALEX AND MARLA GARCIA. 
          THEY'VE LIVED IN THIS HOME FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS AND ARE LIFELONG SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS. 
          FIRST, WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND THE HDRC STAFF. 
          YOUR COLLABORATION THROUGH INTERIM MEETINGS AND SITE VISITS ALLOWED US TO REFINE OUR APPROACH. 
          WE ALSO THANK THE A A C FOR THEIR THOUGHTFUL INPUT IN SHAPING THE EVOLUTION OF OUR CARPORT DESIGN, AND WE GREATLY VALUE THE FEEDBACK PROVIDED AND WE'VE INCORPORATED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO ENSURE OUR DESIGN ALIGNS WITH THE GUIDELINES OF THE HISTORIC KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          TODAY. 
          WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ITEM FOUR, THE WOOD FENCE, AS WELL AS THE STIPULATION FOR THE FENCE TO UNDERGO PERMITTING. 
          AND THAT IS, IT IS NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          UM, WE WOULD THEN LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEMS ONE AND TWO, THE DEMOLITION APPROVAL AND THE NEW CARPORT. 
          UM, NEXT ITEM THREE, THE FRONT PORCH STEPS. 
          AND LASTLY, ITEM FIVE, THE BRICK PLANTERS. 
          UM, SO ITEM ONE, THE DEMO REQUEST FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, YES, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO DEMO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THREE PRIMARY REASONS. 
          FIRST, THE LOSS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE. 
          ACCORDING TO FINDING C AND H, THE DRCS OCTOBER 30TH SITE VISIT REVEALED SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL DETERIORATION, INCLUDING WOOD, ROTT AND A CRACKED FOUNDATION. 
          OVER 50% OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD REQUIRE REPLACEMENT TO REPURPOSE IT FOR VEHICULAR USE, INCLUDING THE CLADDING FOUNDATION, FRAMING, WINDOWS, DOORS, AND ROOFING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, BASED ON THE SAN ANTONIO UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REPAIR IS EXCEEDING 50% OR CONSIDERED A DEMOLITION, MAKING THIS EFFECTIVELY A NEW STRUCTURE. 
          THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION AND USAGE OF THE CURRENT SHED DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUNCTIONALITY AND USAGE OF THE PROPOSED VEHICULAR CARPORT. 
          IN ORDER TO TRANSFORM THE EXISTING SHED INTO A VEHICULAR OPEN AIR CARPORT, THIS WOULD BE DEEMED AS A NEW STRUCTURE. 
          SECONDLY IS THE POINT OF THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          ACCORDING TO FINDING, TO FINDING G THE COST OF REPAIR WOULD IMPOSE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THE HOMEOWNER ESTIMATED NEAR $70,000. 
          FOR ALEX AND MARLA, THIS INVESTMENT WOULD BE BETTER ALLOCATED TO IMPROVING THE STREET FRONT AND ENHANCING THE PROPERTY'S CURB APPEAL. 
          AND THIRD, THE PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS ON THE NEW CARPORT. 
          WHILE 
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THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DETERIORATED BEYOND PRACTICAL REPAIR, THE PROPOSED CARPORT WILL HONOR THE ORIGIN, THE ORIGINAL SHED'S CHARACTER. 
          AS STATED IN STAFF BINDING SEAT, IT WILL INCORPORATE SALVAGEABLE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING EXPOSED WOOD RAFTER TAILS AND WOOD POSTING BEAMS, RETAINING KEY HISTORIC ELEMENTS WHILE ADDRESSING MODERN FUNCTIONAL NEEDS. 
          SO THIS BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT LINE. 
          ITEM TWO, THE NEW CARPORT PROPOSAL. 
          UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED TWO DESIGN OPTIONS, BOTH OF WHICH REFLECT THE HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE SITE. 
          OPTION A, UM, THAT'S ON PAGE TWO OBSERVERS. 
          YES, THAT'S IT. 
          UM, WE WOULD STILL BE HOPEFUL IF OPTION A COULD BE APPROVED AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION. 
          THIS INCLUDES A CRAFTSMAN STYLE GABLE ROOF WITH MATERIALS AND PITCHES AND PITCH ALIGNED TO THE MAIN RESIDENCE. 
          IT HAS BLACK STEEL POSTS AND BEAMS TO MATCH THE BACKYARD AWNING SUPPORTS AND WINDOW TRIM BLENDING OLD AND NEW ELEMENTS. 
          IT INCLUDES CEDAR SOFFIT AND EXPOSED STEEL BEAMS THAT ECHO THE CRAFTSMANSHIP OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WHILE ADDING WARMTH AND CONTINUITY. 
          WHILE STAFF RECOMMENDED WOOD CLADDING FOR THE POST AND BEAMS, WE ARE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THIS SUGGESTION IF WE GO WITH OPTION A. 
          UM, OPTION B IS ON SLIDE ONE AND TWO OF THE RENDERS. 
          UM, SO WE DID WANT TO INCLUDE AN UPDATED DESIGN THAT INCORPORATES COMMISSIONER'S FEEDBACK. 
          OPTION B IS SOMETHING WE FEEL IS MORE ALIGNED WITH THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE DRC AND THE A A C. 
          WE DO RECOMMEND THIS OPTION FOR THE NEW CARPORT APPROVAL. 
          WE DID DISCUSS THIS MOST RECENT RECENT OPTION WITH THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE SURGEON. 
          IT IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH CONTEMPORARY CRAFTSMAN STYLE DETAILING, WHICH WAS STATED IN THEIR LETTER, AND WE AGREE WITH THEIR REASONING. 
          THIS VERSION ALSO BRINGS IN CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING SHED AS WELL AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          IT HAS A WOOD FRAME, GABLE ROOF, SALVAGEABLE BOARD, AND BATTEN SIDING, WOOD CLAD POSTS AND BEAMS EXPOSED WOOD ROCKER TAILS AND BRICK PARTITION WALLS. 
          INSPIRED BY THE HISTORIC CHIMNEY, THIS DESIGN MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL SHEDS FOOTPRINT PROVIDING AN ENCLOSED SHED LIKE FEEL WHILE SEAMLESSLY BLENDING WITH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          WE DO BELIEVE OPTION B OFFERS A BALANCED SOLUTION THAT HONORS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER WHILE MEETING THE HOMEOWNER'S NEEDS. 
          AND NEXT WE HAVE ITEM THREE, THE FRONT PORCH STEPS. 
          UM, YES, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT, UM, LOWER LEFT CORNER. 
          THE EXISTING CONCRETE STEPS WILL REMAIN. 
          WE'RE PROPOSING AN EIGHTH INCH STEEL PLATE TO BE FASTENED TO THE RISERS, UH, CREATING A COHESIVE MATERIAL PALLET WITH THE STEEL EDGING USED IN PLANT BEDS. 
          THE SUBTLE DETAIL ADDS VISUAL INTEREST AND TIES THE FRONT ENTRY TO THE REST OF THE SITE DESIGN. 
          UM, LASTLY WE'LL DISCUSS ITEM FIVE, THE BRICK PLANTERS. 
          UM, AND BRIAN, I UPDATED THIS IN THE LAST PAGE OF THE, THE CD PLANS, UM, IN THE SECTION. 
          YEAH, IT'S THE VERY LAST PAGE ON THIS DOCUMENT. 
          YES. 
          UH, DETAIL THREE. 
          UM, SO IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WE'VE REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE BRICK PLANTERS TO TWO FEET. 
          IT WAS THREE FEET BEFORE, UM, AND WE OFFSET THE PLANTERS ONE FOOT FROM THE HOUSE IS SKIRTING TO PREVENT MOISTURE INTRUSION AND PROMOTE CIRCULATION AIR CIRCULATION. 
          THESE CHANGES ENSURE THE PLANTERS COMPLIMENT RATHER THAN DOMINATE THE HISTORIC CHIMNEY PRESERVING ITS VISUAL PROMINENCE. 
          SO ALL IN ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO RESPECT THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND INCORPORATE THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK, AND WE HOPE THAT OUR REVISED DESIGNS STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN PRESERVATION AND FUNCTIONALITY WHILE ALSO ENHANCING THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY AND THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE VOICEMAILS PLEASE. 
          THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 6 3 4 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 
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DASH 3 4 1. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET WITH THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW AN UPDATED DESIGN PROPOSAL FOR THE PROPOSED CARPORT. 
          WE ALSO REVIEWED THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND OFFER A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS OF WORK. 
          PROPOSED ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          WE RECOMMEND THAT IF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS APPROVED, THAT THE MATERIALS ARE SALVAGED AND REUSED ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CARPORT OR GARAGE. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE PROPOSED UPDATE. 
          UPDATED CARPORT DESIGN WITH WOOD FRAMED GABLE ROOF BOARD AND BAT AND SALVAGED FROM THE SHED DECONSTRUCTION ON GABLE END PEDIMENTS AND BRICK SCREEN WALLS APPEAR TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH CONTEMPORARY CRAFTSMAN STYLE DETAILING. 
          WE FIND THE SOLUTION APPROPRIATE FOR THIS REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          WE RECOMMEND WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE FRONT PORCH STEPS BE MODIFIED. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE IS A VERY CREATIVE DESIGN, IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE NOR APPROPRIATE WITH THE 1924 CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME. 
          IF THIS FENCE DESIGN IS ALLOWED, IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY AND SET A VERY UNDESIRED PRECEDENT FOR NEW FENCES IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED FENCE DESIGN BE APPROVED. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE AGREE WITH STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ADDING BRICK PLANTER BOXES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          THEY TOO WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC HOME AND ARE NOT APPROPRIATE PER THE GUIDELINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE SITE VISIT. 
          UH, COULD WE GET A REPORT FROM SOMEONE WHO DID ATTEND, ESPECIALLY THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? OKAY, SURE. 
          UM, IT WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES AND I WHO ATTENDED ALONG WITH STAFF. 
          UH, WE WERE CONCERNED PRIMARILY WITH THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THE EXTERIOR APPEARS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. 
          OF COURSE, THE, THE BOTTOM 4 6, 8 INCHES OF THE, THE SIDING APPEAR TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WEAR AND WATER DAMAGE. 
          BUT, UM, OVERALL THE, UH, SIDING MATERIALS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. 
          UM, NO ROOF FAILURE. 
          UM, EVEN RAFTER TAILS LOOK PRETTY GOOD INSIDE THE, UM, SLAB APPEARS TO BE IN OKAY SHAPE. 
          THERE IS ONE, ONE CRACK IN THERE, BUT NO FAILURE OF THE SLAB. 
          WE'VE BEEN TO SOME OTHER, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND GARAGES RECENTLY WHERE THERE IS SLAB FAILURE THAT GOES BEYOND JUST CRACKING. 
          THIS WAS APPEARED TO BE CRACKED. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, THE PARTS, THE CONSTITUENT PARTS THAT MAKE UP THE CHARACTER DEFINING STRUCTURE IN PLACE IS ACTUALLY, UM, IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION. 
          UM, THE SLAB COMMISSIONER'S COMPLETELY RIGHT NOW, IT, IT, WILL IT SUPPORT A VEHICLE OR TWO REPEATED USE THAT, THAT I, I KIND OF WAS, WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT AS I SAW IT, BUT IT DIDN'T LOOK TO BE IN ANY STATE OF DISREPAIR. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL FUNCTIONAL, BUT AGAIN, IT'S PROBABLY DATED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT THEY, THE USE OF INTENDED USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH BRINGS ON THE NEXT TOPIC OF HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS GET REPAIRED AND, AND ADAPTED FOR THEIR SPECIFIC USE BECAUSE WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THAT DOOR OPENING IS RATHER LOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UH, SURE. 
          MR. CHAIR FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AGAIN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ESTIMATE, THE DOLLAR ESTIMATE THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE RESTORATION OR REPAIR OF THE GARAGE? UM, HONESTLY, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE, BUT WHAT DID THAT COVER? IS THAT A REBUILDING OR IS THAT JUST A REPAIR? UM, YES. 
          LET ME PULL THAT UP AS WELL. 
          YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S COVERING, UM, A, A FULL RE REPAIR OF THE, THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SO WE HAD OUR CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND IT SAYS THAT IT'S, UM, IN RESPONSE TO USING THE EXISTING SHED FOOTPRINT AS A CARPORT. 
          UM, HE DOESN'T RECOMMEND USING THIS AT THE, AS THE HEIGHT HAS TO BE CHANGED, UM, HE'LL HAVE TO REPLACE THE, THE POST IN 
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ORDER TO GET IT TO THE, THAT 10 10 FOOT HEIGHT IN ORDER TO, UM, STOW VEHICLES. 
          UM, HE SAID THAT THE SLAB WOULD HAVE TO BE REINFORCED, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY FOR, FOR THE WEIGHT AND LOW CAPACITY FOR VEHICULAR USE. 
          UM, HE SAID, HE STATED THAT THE, THE BUILDING WILL HAVE TO HAVE ALL NEW SIDING AND ROOFING DUE TO THE CHANGE IN HEIGHT. 
          UM, THE FRAMING WILL HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED. 
          UM, HE SAID A LOT WILL HAVE TO BE REDONE DUE TO THE AGING CONDITION. 
          UM, SO IT, IT COVERED ALL THE FRAMING, THE CONCRETE REPAIR, THE HAUL OFF, UM, THE DOOR, UM, ACCESS. 
          IT ALSO HAS A DRIVEWAY RELOCATION IN HERE. 
          UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CUT INTO THE NEW PROPOSED DESIGN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO, OKAY. 
          UM, ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, HAS YOUR CONTRACTOR EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A, UM, UH, A REHAB OR ADAPTIVE REUSE WHERE A GARAGE STRUCTURE LIKE THIS WAS ACTUALLY RAISED A FOOT OR TWO AND THEN REHABBED? YES. 
          HE'S BEEN INVOLVED ON, UM, MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, UNDERGO, UM, DEMO REQUEST APPROVAL IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT GETS LOOKED AT IN DETAIL, SO HE WANTED TO INCLUDE AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND, UM, HE, HE'S KINDA, UM, WEARS MANY HATS AND IS ABLE TO TRANSFORM AND REPAIR THESE, THESE SITES. 
          SURE. 
          THESE, THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST ASK BECAUSE I, I CAN SEE WHERE THERE ARE A FEW PLACES THAT, UM, UM, SOME OF THE WORK REALLY DOES NOT NEED TO BE DONE AND DIFFERENT, UH, DETAILED TECHNIQUES COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. 
          BUT, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? SO, MR. CHAIR, UH, AND, AND I WILL JUST SAY ONE COMMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE MATERIAL THAT IS SALVAGEABLE, WE, WE DO WANNA PROPOSE USING IT IN THAT OPTION B, NEW CARPORT, LIKE IF WE CAN SALVAGE SOME OF THAT SIDING MATERIAL AND SOME OF THAT EXPOSE RAFTER TAIL, UM, IN OUR NEW, UH, DESIGN THAT WE WANNA TRY TO PRESERVE AND REUSE SOME OF THAT MATERIAL IF POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR? UH, YES. 
          A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT YARD FENCE. 
          CAN YOU YES. 
          UH, EXPLAIN OR DESCRIBE, UH, HOW THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN CAME ABOUT AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE, TO THE HOUSE AND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PRECEDENTS? UM, SURE. 
          SO WE, WE THINK THAT IT IS RESPECTING THE HOME'S HISTORIC NATURE. 
          UM, IT, IT ALLOWS TRANSPARENCY. 
          UM, THE HEIGHT OF IT IS NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET, SO IT'S GOT THIS MORE LIKE COMMUNAL CONNECTION AND APPROACH TO IT. 
          UH, IT IS A LITTLE MORE ARTISTIC AND A LITTLE MORE MODERN IN STYLE. 
          BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT THIS COULD CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE THEATER, UH, UH, PICKETS ARE A LITTLE MORE HEFTIER AND BOLD, UH, TO KIND OF MAKE, UH, FOR LONGEVITY PURPOSES, UM, MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. 
          AND THE CEDAR ALSO, UH, TIES INTO THE, THE CEDAR DECK, EXISTING CEDAR DECK IN THE BACKYARD, UH, THE CEDAR SOFFIT ON THE CARPORT. 
          AND IT JUST HELPS TIE ALL THE MATERIALS TOGETHER, ADDS IN WARMTH AND COLOR IN THE FRONT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS OUR REASONING BEHIND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PLANTER OUT FRONT, I SEE IN YOUR LATEST PLAN, YOU'VE PULLED THE PLANTER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING WALL, UH, BY A FOOT AND JUST, UH, WONDERING WHETHER THAT'S ENOUGH ADEQUATE SPACE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, WITH SIDING THAT'S ON THE HOUSE, WHETHER ONE FOOT IS ADEQUATE ENOUGH. 
          UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ENCLOSED ON ALL SIDES. 
          THE PLANTER, UM, IT'LL HAVE A CMU CORE, SO IT'LL BE STRUCTURALLY, UM, FOUND AND DURABLE OVER TIME. 
          AND THEN 
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IT'LL HAVE THAT BRICK VENEER TO MATCH WITH THE CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM, IT'LL BE CONCRETE CAPPED WITH A, UM, ACCESS FOR A DRAINAGE PIPE SO THAT ANY WATER THAT GOES INTO IT, IF THERE'S ANY MOISTURE, IT'LL DAYLIGHT AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND PREVENT ANY MOISTURE SEEPAGE GOING TOWARDS THE HOUSE. 
          I GUESS WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UH, RAIN AND MOISTURE GETTING BETWEEN THE PLANTER AND THE HOUSE ITSELF, AND HOW OVER TIME THAT'S, UH, MAINTAINING THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE IN THAT ONE FOOT SPACE, UH, THAT MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I GET THAT. 
          UM, AND WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING A GRAVEL STRIP BEHIND IT. 
          UM, RAIN WILL BE ABLE TO INFILTRATE IN THE GROUND. 
          UM, IF ONE FOOT ISN'T SUFFICIENT AND WOULD REQUIRE MORE MAINTENANCE FOR CLEANING THAT BIRDING, UM, WE'RE EVEN WILLING TO GO TWO FEET. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO DOING NON-PERMANENT PLANTERS AS WELL. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR THESE PLANTERS, UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOME RESEARCH, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO DO. 
          BUT I THINK IT ONE FOOT WOULD, SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH AIR CIRCULATION, I THINK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAD A QUESTION. 
          IF, SO, THE, THE CARPORT DESIGN IS KIND OF DEPENDENT ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE AND THE OTHER ITEMS. WOULD YOU STILL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM EVEN THOUGH IF THE CARPORT PROJECT IS NOT ITEM ONE IS DOESN'T GET APPROVED AND YOU STILL WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER ITEMS? YES. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE HOMEOWNERS REALLY LOVE THE DESIGN AS A WHOLE. 
          UM, WE STILL THINK IT TIES INTO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THE CEDAR FENCE TIES INTO THE CEDAR DECK IN THE BACK. 
          UM, SO WHAT I'M ASK, AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK IF THERE WAS ANY EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF STAFF HAVE FOUND ANYTHING WITH THOSE PLANTERS OR THAT CEDAR FENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TYING EVERYTHING TO DESIGN IN THE BACK. 
          YOU'RE TYING THE BRICK TO THE CHIMNEY, BUT WE LOOK AS LIKE WHAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IS THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF THAT? UM, IN THE, THE ZOOM INTERIM MEETING, UM, WITH THE DRCI DID DISPLAY, UM, A PAGE OF FOUND BRICK PLANTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THERE WERE A FEW DIFFERENT ADDRESSES THAT HAD SOME, IF NOT BRICK PLANTERS, SOME BRICK COLUMNS, BRICK ELEMENTS WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. 
          UM, THERE WAS ONE HOUSE THAT HAD A RETAINED BRICK PLANTER RIGHT UP TO THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK AND THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          I CAN TRY TO PULL UP THAT ADDRESS, BUT THERE WERE A FEW THAT I FOUND, I JUST KIND OF WENT AROUND. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS IN SEARCH OF SOME BRICK,  AND KING NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STOP IS, SHOULD WE FIRST VOTE ON ITEM ONE AND THEN I LIKE, MOVE THAT DISCUSSION FIRST OR SHOULD IT ALL BE CONSIDERED TOGETHER? OR , THIS IS, THE CHAIR DECIDES THAT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'LL DO IT ALL TOGETHER FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, DID YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION, UM, AND FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION FORWARD, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE A REQUEST. 
          NUMBER ONE, APPROVE REQUEST NUMBER TWO WITH OPTION B, DENY OPTION, UH, ITEM THREE, REQUEST NUMBER THREE, APPROVE ITEM FOUR FOR A FRONT YARD FENCE WITH THE DESIGN, MEETING, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND GOING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW. 
          AND ITEM FIVE TO DENY ITEM FIVE. 
          SECOND, THIS MAY MOVED IN PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I PICK THIS RANGE OF THINGS, THINKING ABOUT THE AGGREGATE OF THE PROJECT 
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AND WHAT THAT DOES TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE COLLECTION FROM THE STREET AS WELL AS FROM ITS ITS FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT. 
          UM, I WOULD NORMALLY NOT SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UM, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE SALVAGING OF THE PARTS AND THE FORMAL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE, UM, IN OPTION B, WE ARE CLOSER TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT DISTRACTING TO THE OVERALL DESIGN, UH, OR THE OVERALL EXISTING, UM, BUILDINGS. 
          UH, OPTION B SEEMS TO BE OKAY. 
          I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT OF THE PORTAL ENTRY, AS WELL AS THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THAT GABLE ROOF. 
          UM, AND THE OTHERS I, I BELIEVE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 
          UM, THESE ARE THINGS, THESE ARE DESIGN MOVES WE DON'T SEE IN THIS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, WE DON'T SEE THIS WITH THESE MATERIALS IN SOME CASES BECAUSE AESTHETICALLY IT DOESN'T WORK IN OTHER CASES FUNCTIONALLY, LIKE THE PLANTERS DON'T WORK. 
          SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF WHY I MADE THE, THE MOTION AS I DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER ANTES. 
          YEAH, I WAS WONDERING PROCEDURALLY IF I WANT TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT, WOULD I JUST ADD IT MYSELF OR WOULD I ASK, I I THINK THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE A GABLE ROOF. 
          IT SHOULD BE A HIP ROOF AS IT WAS BEFORE WITH, WITH SLIGHTLY ADJUSTING FOR HEIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN STIPULATE THAT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT FORWARD AND, AND A LITTLE TOO PROMINENT. 
          AND THAT'S SORT OF THE BEAUTY OF THE ORIGINAL IS IT HAS THAT SLOPED FACE. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, AMEND THE, UM, THE MOTION TO INCLUDE A GABLE, I'M SORRY, A FALL HIP ROOF ON THAT, UH, CORRECT HIP ROOF. 
          YES. 
          UH, HIP ROOF ON THAT CARPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND CONCUR. 
          CONCUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YEAH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I WAS ASKING, UM, BECAUSE, BUT OPTION B WAS SOMETHING THAT'S SENT LATE, RIGHT? UM, WELL, NO, UH, I MEAN THE MORE THE STAFF, DID YOU GET LIKE FINAL DESIGNS OR IS THIS A CONCEPTUAL OF OPTION B? NO, LIKE, DO WE EVEN KNOW, I'M SORRY. 
          SO AS OF NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE, UH, OF THE OPTION B, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD REQUIRE BEFORE WE ISSUE OUT A PERMIT. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN, UH, THAT'S BEEN UPDATED. 
          THE APPLICANT DID PRO, UM, PROVIDE THESE DOCUMENTS TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA. 
          UM, UH, BUT IT, SO LIKE HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN HEIGHT? UM, VICTORIA ARE, ARE YOU, DO YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED CARPORT? YES. 
          UM, IN THE, IN THE CD DOCUMENTS THAT I HAD UPDATED, UM, THE LAST PAGE, OR NO, THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A RENDER YES. 
          ON THE BOTTOM, UM, DETAIL SEVEN, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE POSTS ARE NINE FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          UM, THE, THE MIDDLE PITCH OF THE, UM, GABLE ROOF IS 16 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE EXACT HEIGHT DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING SHED, UH, BUT IT SHOULD BE AROUND THE SAME HEIGHT. 
          IT'S ALSO IN THE SAME, UM, FOOTPRINT. 
          AND, UM, WHEN I DID SPEAK WITH THE A A C, UM, SO LET'S JUST MOVE, LET'S JUST, UH, IS THERE AN OPTION TO ADD A COMMENT TO THE MOTION TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE NEED FINAL APPROVAL, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN, BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER GROOM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION, PLEASE DO. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER MONICA, I WOULD LEAN TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE TOO RESTRICTIVE ON THAT. 
          THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I LEAVE IT TO STAFF. 
          I'M OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS, BECAUSE YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT YOU MIGHT THINK THAT IT LOOKED TOO TALL BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A RENDERING, SO WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST CARS PUT IN THERE. 
          IT'S A RENDERING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S NINE FEET, BUT, UH, IT, AND ALSO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE IT, UM, ALONGSIDE THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          YES. 
          AND I HAVE IN THE RENDER PACKAGE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT I THINK IN THE FIRST PAGE, UH, DRAWINGS ARE ALWAYS BETTER OR MORE INFORMATIVE THAN RENDERINGS. 
          WELL, WHEN WE'VE USED RENDERINGS FOR CONCEPTUAL, AND I FEEL LIKE DRAWINGS SHOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE WHEN WE DO FINAL APPROVAL, WE HAVE REQUIRED THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I'M JUST LIKE, ARE WE BEING, WHAT DOES THE BACK LOOK LIKE? YEP. 
          UM, UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, FOR LEGAL STAFF. 
          UM, 
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CAN WE MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT? CAN WE AMEND, CAN I AMEND THE MOTION A SECOND TIME? I CAN CLARIFY THAT. 
          WELL, THAT THE INTENT IS THAT, UM, ITEM TWO B BE APPRO, UM, GIVEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, CONCUR AND RETURN CONCUR FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          CONCUR, IT, IT'S OBVIOUS HAVING VISITED THERE THAT THE, THE ROOF IS GONNA HAVE TO RAISE UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE TO RAISE SO THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THEIR VEHICLES AND GET THE USE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO UP, SO, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE IT IN A 2D DRAWING WITH DIMENSIONS. 
          IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE IT ALONG. 
          I HAVE THE 2D DRAWING ON, UM, MY CD PLANS. 
          UM, TO CLARIFY, TO CLARIFY, DO YOU WANT THE RETURN TO STAFF OR RETURN TO THE COMMISSION? STAFF IS OKAY. 
          RETURN TO STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION? NO. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER ESPINO? OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE, UH, UH, CIRCUMVENTING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT, UM, WAYS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT GETS, UM, UH, BUILT SO THAT IT'S NOT SO TALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND IT DOESN'T DISTRACT FROM THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS OUR, OUR GOAL. 
          AND, AND JUST SO FOR, UH, FOR MY CLARIFICATION, UH, OR ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, IS THE, SO THE CARPORT IS BEING APPROVED WITH OPTION B, BB, UM, WITH THE CHANGE FROM A GABLE ROOF TO A HIP ROOF. 
          HIP ROOF. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          FINAL DRAWING SUBMITTED TO STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERHANG, THE ADDITIONAL OVERHANG, HOW DO YOU GET THAT? UM, THEY COULD EVEN CANTILEVER THE HIP ROOF OUT A BIT AND TO ACHIEVE THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT IF I MAY. 
          UM, WHEN I, WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE A A C, THEY PUT EMPHASIS ON MAKING SURE THAT IT'S TYING INTO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          AND SO THAT WAS JUST OUR MAIN REASONING, UH, OF CHANGING IT TO A, A GABLE ROOF SO THAT IT WAS MORE SEAMLESSLY TIED IN WITH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          AND THEN WE TRIED TO PULL IN ELEMENTS, KEY DEFINING ELEMENTS ELSEWHERE, UH, FROM THE SHED, LIKE THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND THE EXPOSED RAFTERS AND WOULD POST AND WHATNOT. 
          UH, SO THAT JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT REASONING AND CLARIFICATION THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE A, A C. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THE KEY DEFINING, THE BIGGEST KEY DEFINING FEATURES TO ME ARE THAT BOARD AND BATTEN ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THE HIP ROOF. 
          MM-HMM, , THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          AND SO THAT IT DOESN'T OVERPOWER THE MAIN STRUCTURE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT, YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO A SHED AS YOU CAN. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW, UM, I SAID IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOO, IT'S TOO CARPORT AND NOT ENOUGH SHED, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO TAKE THE SHED DOWN. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SHED THAN CARPORT. 
          RIGHT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          AVADA. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          HOLLAND. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SORRY. 
          SKIPPED ONE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM SIX HAS BEEN POSTPONED. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 2 3 5 0 9 MADISON STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED CARPORT ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OVER THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TWO OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          OPTION ONE IS A HIP ROOF STANDING SEAM CARPORT WITH, WITH COLUMNS. 
          OPTION TWO IS A CANTILEVERED MONO PITCH CARPORT WITH ALUMINUM FRAMING AND POLYCARBONATE CORRUGATED PANELS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND EITHER CARPORT OPTION AT THIS LOCATION BASED ON THE FINDINGS. 
          IF THE HDRC FINDS THAT A CARPORT IS APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE CONSIDERED. 
          ONE. 
          THE FREESTANDING WOOD CONSTRUCTION CARPORT DESIGN IS PREFERRED OVER THE METAL. 
          OPTION TWO, THAT THE ARC THAT THE CARPORT BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND REDUCED IN LENGTH TO ACCOMPLISH THE STIPULATION THREE, THAT FULLY DIMENSION 
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AND TWO SCALE DRAWINGS THAT MEET THE STIPULATIONS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MUST BE APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT. 
          UM, APPLICANT CHRISTOPHER ROCHA IS PRESENT. 
          STATE YOUR NAME. 
          HI, MY NAME'S CHRIS ROCHA. 
          AND, UH, WELL, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UH, BUILD A CARPORT HERE FOR, UH, MY CLIENT AND, UH, JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO HERE FOR THEM. 
          IS THAT IT, SIR? YOU DON'T HAVE GONNA STATE YOUR CASE? UM, YES. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, DO A, UH, UH, DETACHED CARPORT THERE. 
          UM, I SEE IN THE RENDERINGS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE. 
          JUST SOME, SOME COVER FOR A CAR, YOU KNOW, UM, NOTHING TOO FANCY. 
          WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A, UM, THIS LOT'S VERY SMALL. 
          THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS VERY, UH, IT, IT IS JUST KIND OF NARROW, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A COVERING WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO HERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND ALL THE MATERIALS WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING HOME. 
          SO WE WOULD USE THE SAME, UH, METAL ROOF, UM, WOOD COLUMNS. 
          UM, YEP. 
          NO, NOTHING TOO FANCY. 
          WE WOULD HAVE GUTTERS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, UH, LEFT BACK AND RIGHT SIDE, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THE FRONT TO HAVE ALL THE WATER GO OFF AWAY FROM THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE STREET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WOULD YOU PUT GUTTERS ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL TO KEEP IT OFF THAT ROOF? OR HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? UM, ARE YOU, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING WHERE IT'S GOT THE, UH, THERE YOU GO. 
          ZOOM IN ON THAT RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU HAVE WATER COMING OFF THE MAIN ROOF. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU HAVE A GUTTER THERE ON THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          OH, WE CAN ALSO ADD ONE THERE AS WELL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DON'T YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL JUST GET THAT FROM BOTH. 
          YEAH, MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN ADD ONE TO THE RIGHT SIDE AND THEN ALSO AROUND THE CARPORT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THIS AS FAR AS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED, PARTICULARLY ITEM, LET'S SEE, TWO. 
          UM, WELL, AS FAR AS LIKE BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, WALL PLANE AND REDUCING LENGTH. 
          OH YES. 
          SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          LIKE IF WE NEED TO MAKE IT SHORTER OR, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S AT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FLUSH TO THE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, LIKE THE CORNER. 
          UM, BUT IF WE NEED TO PUSH IT BACK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND NO, NO TOUCHING OR ATTACHING TO THE HOUSE. 
          NO PLANS, PLANS AT ALL TO ATTACH ANYTHING OR HAVE YOU TOUCHED THE HOUSE? IT'S NOT ATTACHING, IT'S, IT'S DETACHED. 
          IT'S, UM, SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE SOFFIT ON THE EXISTING HOME. 
          UM, WE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S AT A, A GOOD HEIGHT, UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT ALSO, UM, CLOSE TO CLOSE TO THE WINDOWS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, BUT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK OUT AND IT'S ALL GONNA BE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. 
          AND MAYBE I MISSED IT. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL HEIGHT? UM, EIGHT FEET OF THE, FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE TOP. 
          AND SO THE TOTAL HEIGHT'S GONNA BE LIKE NINE FEET AND SIX INCHES AT THE, THE TOP CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, UM, WE JUMPED GUN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE WERE, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR VOICEMAILS OR WHATEVER IF HE WAS PRESENTING HIS CASE. 
          SO ARE YOU DONE PRESENTING YOUR CASE, SIR? UH, YES SIR. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE VOICEMAILS PLEASE? THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 9 MADISON. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 2 3. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND ARE CONCERNED THAT BOTH OPTIONS APPEAR TO VIOLATE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT AND ARE VERY NARROW TO BE FUNCTIONAL. 
          WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE EITHER OPTION IF THE COMMISSIONERS AGREE THAT A CARPORT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          WE ALSO RECOMMEND OPTION ONE AS IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, WE REQUEST THAT THE UNAPPROVED WOOD PLANTERS WITH FAKE FLOWERS PLACED IN FRONT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BE REMOVED OR SUBMITTED 
          [01:45:01]
TO THE HDRC FOR APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          SURE. 
          UM, TO THAT LATE BREAKING NEWS, UM, STAFF, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUESTED, UM, ON THE PLANTERS THAT ARE BEING, THAT WAS CITED BY THE CALLER, UM, I MIGHT LET CORY SPEAK TO THAT. 
          WE'VE, I SUPPOSE WE COULD CONSIDER THIS A CITIZEN REPORT REGARDING THAT AND HANDLE AS SUCH. 
          WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN THE REPORT, WE WOULD, WE DON'T REVIEW THE PLANTS. 
          UM, THE PLANTERS WOULD NORMALLY BE FINE IF THEY'RE FREESTANDING. 
          UM, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE LIKE A PIECE OF FURNITURE THAN SOMETHING PERMANENT, BUT THERE WOULD, I MEAN, SO IT WOULD BE AN ADMIN APPROVAL PROCESS PERHAPS? POTENTIALLY. 
          I MEAN, OR IF THERE'S CONCERN, UH, WE CAN TALK TO THIS GUY IF HE WANTS TO KEEP 'EM OR NOT. 
          OH, SO, SO YES. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE PLANTERS GO, UM, WHENEVER WE'RE DISCUSSING THE LANDSCAPING FOR THIS HOUSE, UM, WE DID HAVE THOSE PLANTERS ON THE, UM, LIKE OUR 3D PLANS AND, UM, I JUST WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE PART OF LIKE THE, LIKE IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE AS FAR AS LIKE NOT BEING ALLOWED, BUT IT, I GUESS IT WASN'T ALSO PART OF THE, UM, THE, UM, WHAT I WAS ALLOWED TO DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE, SO MAYBE THESE YOU WANT WITH STAFFING, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          WORK IT SO THAT IT'S, BUT IF I HAVE TO REMOVE 'EM, I MEAN I'LL REMOVE THEM. 
          BUT MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, AND THIS IS FOR STAFF, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE, THAT SIDE SETBACK ISSUE THAT CURRENTLY AS PLACED, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE STEEL, RIGHT? TO MEET, MEET COLOR. 
          I THINK AT A MINIMUM IT WOULD NEED A VARIANCE TO EVEN BE THERE, PERIOD. 
          AND THEN THE MATERIAL WOULD BE PERHAPS A CONSIDERATION AFTER THAT PROCESS AND RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND WE'D HAVE TO, UM, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS LIKE FOR THE VARIANCE, THEY'LL NEED ME TO DO THIS FIRST AND THEN I HAVE TO DO THAT WITH THEM. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE I CAN'T GO WITH THEM AND THEN COME BACK OVER HERE. 
          IT'S, I DUNNO WHY IT WORKS LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T PUT THE WOOD ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO ALSO GET A VARIANCE APPROVAL. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU, LIKE, IF EVERYTHING'S OKAY, THEY MIGHT SAY, HEY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S A COUPLE MORE STEPS THAT I STILL HAVE TO RIGHT. 
          TO DO BESIDES JUST GETTING THIS APPROVED HERE. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A PIONEER HAZARD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          NO, I, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING IS JUST THAT WITH THIS HOUSE, I MEAN, UM, IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A CAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT SIDE STEP BACK ISSUE. 
          THAT'S A, A REAL SAFETY HAZARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR. 
          I CAN TRY ONE HERE JUST TO GET THINGS MOVING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          LET ME GET MY VERAGE OF, OKAY. 
          UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF STIPULATIONS. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          FREESTANDING WOOD CONSTRUCTION, CARDBOARD DESIGN, UM, SIT BEHIND THE WALL FACADE, UH, OR FOR THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AND REDUCE THE LENGTH TO ACCOMPLISH THE STIPULATION. 
          AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU HAVE TO USE, UH, ANY TYPE OF, UH, STEEL THERE FROM THE VARIANCE THAT IT'S GOTTA BE WOOD, WOOD COVERED OR WOOD CLAD TO MATCH THE REST OF IT. 
          UM, WHAT OTHER STIPULATIONS, WHAT DO ANYONE ELSE WANT ME TO ADD? ANYTHING? NO, THAT'S IT. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          WHEN YOU SAY SETBACK OR, UM, REDUCED IN LENGTH, IS THERE A NUMBER OR WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THAT? YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT ONE. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO AGREE WITH, WITH STAFF ON THEIR SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. 
          DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          HERE. 
          IT'S LIKE THE OTHER CASE, UM, THERE'S NOT A PRESCRIP PRESCRIPTIVE LIKE MAGIC NUMBER THAT SAYS, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE SET SUGGESTED THAT THE LENGTH SHOULD BE REDUCED, UM, PERHAPS AN ENTIRE BAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          SO WOULD THAT, UM, IS A CONCERN, THE FACT THAT THE, UH, ROOF OVERHANG IS BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE? YEAH. 
          IF THE STRUCTURE WAS FULLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE OVERHANG AND ALL OF ITS, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS, THEN THAT WOULD HELP. 
          YEAH. 
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THEN I, I WOULD CLARIFY THAT THEN ON, ON, ON MY, UH, ON MY MOTION. 
          ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT THAT BE, BE, UH, UH, FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH STAFF AS ONCE HE GETS FINAL NUMBERS AND, AND THIS MOVES FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES A SECOND CONCUR? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION? EXCUSE ME? I JUST HAD A QUESTION, UH, FOR YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, THE VIABLE USE OF THAT CARPORT, ARE THE DOORS GONNA BE ABLE TO CLEAR THE FENCE AND THE HOUSE WHEN YOU OPEN IT? SO, YES, CORRECT. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SMALL CARS, LIKE, LIKE JUST STANDARD SIZED CARS. 
          LIKE YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE WITH A, A BIG PICKUP TRUCK, YOU KNOW? UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN OPTION FOR LIKE WHOEVER BUYS A HOUSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COVERING. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE, UM, JUST THIS HOUSE IN GENERAL WAS JUST THE DRIVEWAY'S JUST TOO NARROW. 
          UM, BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO OPEN UP A, A DOOR, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, IT, IT JUST HAS TO BE A SMALLER CAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I SEE WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE ACCOMMODATING OPENING THE DOORS, BUT THE HOUSE IS IN THE WAY AND THE FENCE IS IN THE WAY. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THE WIDTH ON THAT OF THE, SORRY, THE CARPORT, EIGHT FOOT BETWEEN THE COLUMNS, EIGHT FEET, FEET BETWEEN THE COLUMNS? UH, QUESTION, IS THIS HOUSE, UM, OWNER OCCUPIED OR IS IT GOING FOR SALE? IT'S GOING FOR SALE, YES, SIR. 
          NO OWNER THERE YET, OR SOMEONE HASN'T BOUGHT IT YET. 
          SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT SINCE THE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS SPACE WOULD HAVE TO BE A SMALL VEHICLE. 
          I MEAN, WHAT WE LIVE IN TEXAS, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEONE'S, SO THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMEONE BUYING IT OR THE FEASIBILITY OF SOMEBODY BUYING THIS HOUSE WILL HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SMALL VEHICLE CLIP. 
          IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WHERE ARE THEY GOING, WHERE THE, WHERE THE VEHICLE'S GOING? WELL, THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY. 
          YOU CAN PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW AND LIKE YOU CAN OPEN UP YOUR DOOR IN NEXT TO THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO REALLY PARK. 
          LIKE, I MEAN, I JUST TRY TO PROVIDE COVER FOR WHOEVER HAS A ONE, ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES OF THIS HOUSE THAT IT'S NOT SELLING A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PARK THEIR CAR INTO. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE THERE, UM, WITH THIS PROPERTY AS FAR AS, SO, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT IF YOU ARE, IF THE PROBLEM, IF WITH NOT SELLING OR SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT, IT'S NOT SELLING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A CARPORT, BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING SOMETHING JUST SO YOU HAVE A CARPORT THERE, BUT IF IT'S STILL NOT USABLE, THEN HOW MUCH SENSOR DOES THAT REALLY MAKE? WELL, IT MIGHT NOT BE USABLE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS A BIG TRUCK, LIKE, OR SOMETHING, A LARGE VEHICLE, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER CAR. 
          I'M, I'M JUST TRYING, LIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, IT MIGHT NOT BE USABLE FOR SOMEONE WHO CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES, RIGHT? SO WOULD A SUV FIT, UM, A SMALLER SUV OR A, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT AND IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THIS, WHOEVER BUYS THIS HOUSE A COVERING, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYONE WANTS A COVER FOR THEIR CAR, RIGHT? SO ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA PAINT KING WILLIAMS IS, IS AN EXPENSIVE AREA, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR CAR, AND I GET THAT. 
          IT'S, AND IT'S, IT IS YOUR PROJECT. 
          SO I, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO DESIGN YOUR, YOUR CARPORT, BUT I MEAN, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE AND IT'S NOT SELLING BECAUSE OF THAT, AND THEN YOU PUT SOMETHING THERE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, REALLY WORKABLE FOR MOST VEHICLES, OR I SHOULD SAY A LOT OF VEHICLES, THEN YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH STILL IN THE SAME SITUATION. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD BE THAT WAY TOO. 
          LIKE IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT NOT WORK OUT, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING HERE. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST HAVE A, JUST LEMME KNOW, WANNA MAKE A, A COMMENT TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING. 
          UH, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE AN OWNER WHO HAS A VERY SPECIFIC UNIQUE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE CLIENT IS UNKNOWN. 
          THERE ARE OTHER WISE WAYS THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS PARKING. 
          IT COULD BE THROUGH AN ALLOWANCE IN YOUR DEAL, IN YOUR SALES DEAL AND LET THEM PURSUE IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT, UM, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING THAT IS SO MASSIVE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASSIVE FORM AND JUST THE, THE SPACE THAT, AND THE CONFLICT WITH THAT EDGE OF THE HOUSE THAT IS SO 
          [01:55:01]
UNIQUE THAT, UM, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BASED ON WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT, IT, TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I I THINK THAT HER, UM, OPTION THERE MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ALLOWANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE THIS HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, ALLOWANCE OR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CUT SOMETHING OFF THE PRICE OR WHATEVER IN ORDER TO MAKE SO THEY CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD KIND OF WORK FOR THEM. 
          BUT, AND, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I STAND WITH THAT AS FAR AS THAT BEING SAID. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AS FAR AS LIKE A COVERING, A COVERING FOR A DRIVEWAY AND MEAN WE'RE OPEN TO ANYTHING, WE JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF COVER FOR THE DRIVEWAY, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT. 
          IT CAN BE LIKE WHAT SHE JUST PULLED UP RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S JUST, UH, THERE ARE A FEW, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS ACTUALLY. 
          UM, MAYBE NOT THIS EXACT DESIGN, BUT IT'S, UH, NEVERTHELESS, IT'S JUST ONE SIDE THAT HAS A POST WITH A, UH, METAL ROOF COVERING JUST LIKE THIS. 
          UM, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER OPTION, RIGHT? UM, MAYBE LEANING AWAY FROM THE HOUSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES BETWEEN THE, UH, WATER GETTING INTO DIRECTLY, LIKE BY THE HOUSE, RIGHT? UM, SO JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTIONS FOR, UH, COVERING HERE. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I, UM, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO, LIKE I SAID, DESIGN. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, BUT I, I REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU, BUT I THINK THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE JUST TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ALLOWANCE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THEN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THOSE OPTIONS TO THE, THE FUTURE PURCHASER, YOU KNOW, AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME OPTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, I CAN PROVIDE A, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS ALLOWANCE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR YOU. 
          BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE OPTIONS ARE REALLY LIMITED, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE, THE PURCHASER IS A HUGE WHOSE TRUCK, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BUILD A PART THERE. 
          SO, AND THEN THAT COULD BE A, UM, A DETERRENCE IF YOU HAVE THIS IN THERE. 
          SO, BUT AGAIN, NOT DESIGNING FOR YOU, THIS IS YOUR PROJECT. 
          SO JUST A SUGGESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO NAY. 
          SAVINO, NAY, MAZUA, MOOKA, NAY, GUEVARA, NAY CERVANTES, NO, HOLLAND. 
          HE'S LEFT. 
          I THINK COMMISSIONER GROUP LEFT AS WELL. 
          UH, FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS NAY. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          YOU NEED A NEW MOTION? I'LL MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST. 
          SECOND, ITS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION MAY ROLL. 
          CALL PLEASE. 
          CASTILLO. 
          AYE. 
          S AYE. 
          MSCA. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU SIR. 
          SIR, YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, YOU CAN COME AGAIN TO THE STAFF AND THEY'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH IT, OKAY. 
          AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME BACK AND, AND TRY AGAIN AND TRY IT WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ITEM NUMBER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 3 6 9 19 33 FREDERICKSBURG. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO APPROVAL TO INSTALL FLUSH MOUNTED INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE, READING CRUSH CAKE SHOP ABOVE THEIR RESPECTIVE STOREFRONT MEASURING 58 SQUARE FEET. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL EXTERIOR SIGNAGE, MEASURING, MEASURING 58 SQUARE FEET WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FEATURES REVERSE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS WITH METAL OPAQUE FACES. 
          UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT BILLY WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE. 
          [02:00:03]
HI, HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS BILLY OCIO. 
          I'M, UM, FROM SCIENCE, LLC. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO HELP OUR CUSTOMER TO, WITH THIS, WITH THIS SIGNAGE. 
          IT'S, UM, UH, CUSTOMER, UH, CAME TO US, UH, FOR, TO GET A PERMIT FOR THIS SIGN. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S THE WAY IS THE, HOW YOU SEE IN A PICTURE IS THE WAY THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S FLASH MONTH AND, AND IT'S, WE JUST FOLLOWING THE, THE REST OF THE TENANTS ON THAT, UH, SHOPPING, SHOPPING STRIP. 
          THEY HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE OF SIGNS. 
          UM, WE, UM, PRESENT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAYBE, UH, TO HAVE SOME, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT RIGHT, BUT, UH, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE ON FILE, IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDED ON THE, ON THE, ON YOUR NOTES, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE IS 40, UH, 40 FEET, UH, 40 SQUARE, UH, UH, FEET. 
          BUT, UH, THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS PRESENT IS 58. 
          SO I, WE BELIEVE THERE'S, UH, DISCREPANCY ON THE, ON THE, ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR NOTES, UH, AS, AS WE SAID, IT'S GONNA BE A FLASH MOUNT. 
          WE FOLLOWING THE SAME THING AND SAY, UH, DESIGNED IT, UH, PRE, UH, THE OTHER TENANT HAVE IN THE SAME, UH, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. 
          SIR, IS THIS SIGN ALREADY INSTALLED? YES, SIR. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF STIPULATIONS WOULD REQUIRE A, A CHANGE TO THE SIGN? UH, YES, SIR. 
          UH, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT OUR CUSTOMER, UH, INSTALLED THIS WITHOUT KNOWING, KNOWING THAT IT NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT. 
          UM, SHEET, UH, CAME TO US, UH, FOR HELP, UH, TO, TO GET THIS, UM, UH, FIXED AND THAT'S WHAT WE STEPPING UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, GET THIS, UH, UH, RIGHT AND TO HELP HER TO GET THE, THE RIGHT PERMIT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS AS WELL. 
          VOICEMAIL, PLEASE. 
          YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, 19 33 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, HDRC, CASE 2024 DASH 360 9. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1933 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD IS ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION. 
          THE SIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED, UH, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          WE NOTE THIS INFORMATION IS NOT IN THAT CASE TO FILE. 
          WE ASK THAT HDRC AS PROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS PRESENTED. 
          WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE A STIPULATION THAT A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS NOW THE THIRD CASE, UH, THAT HAS COME FORWARD IN A VIOLATION STATE TO HDRC WHEN A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN COULD ADDRESS ALL OF THESE CONCERNS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF THE SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN STIPULATION. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION ON COMMISSIONER SANTES. 
          YEAH, COULD YOU BRING UP THE GOOGLE MAPS OF THAT WHOLE BUILDING, PLEASE? IS THIS A SUFFICIENT VIEW? STREET, STREET VIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES STAFF OR THE APPLICANT KNOW HOW MANY TENANTS ARE IN THIS BUILDING? I DO NOT. 
          SO THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS MAY BE FOR STAFF, IS THAT BUILDING IS ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH REGARDS TO SIGNAGE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT IS ILLUMINATED. 
          UH, THE OTHER TWO APPEAR TO BE TARPS AND TEMPORARY, I THINK. 
          I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON IT. 
          UM, THE ONE THAT HE'S PROPOSING IS GONNA BE, DID HE, DID HE SAY THE MATERIAL? DID HE DID ACRYLIC FACE. 
          ACRYLIC FACE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME HOW OLD THIS BUILDING IS? YES. 
          LET ME, UM, GO BACK TO THE CASE FILE HERE. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SO THE SIGNAGE GETS REVIEWED. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, I SEE YOUR HAND UP, SIR. 
          UM, BUT MY QUESTION, UM, STEMS TO THE, UM, THE VIOLATION. 
          SO YOUR, UM, YOUR CLIENT'S IN VIOLATION, 
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AND SO THE SIGN WAS PLACED BEFORE APPROVAL. 
          AND I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH SO YOU CAN CLARIFY FOR ME THAT THEY PUT IT UP NOT KNOWING THAT THEY WENT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SO THEY DIDN'T FEEL AS THOUGH THEY NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL. 
          THEY DIDN'T FEEL AS, THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY COULD JUST GET ASSIGNED AND THEN JUST PUT IT UP. 
          AND NOW YOU'RE HERE TO TRY TO CLEAN THINGS UP FOR 'EM. 
          IS THAT BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE? WELL, BA UH, BASICALLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR QUESTION. 
          BASICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, CUSTOMER CAME TO US, UH, SAYING THAT, UH, BASICALLY I'M GONNA TELL HER I'M GONNA, UH, RE REMEMBERING HER. 
          HER WORDS WE'RE LIKE, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THIS. 
          THE LANDLORD DIDN'T INFORM US ABOUT NOTHING ABOUT HISTORIC, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOTHING, NO SPECIFICATIONS WHATSOEVER. 
          HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES IT RIGHT. 
          UH, I THINK IT, LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, SHE'S IN VIOLATION, BUT WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE AND TRY TO MAKE TO HELP HER IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT I WAS, UH, RAISING MY HAND IS, UH, THAT GOOGLE, UH, VIEW PREVIEW, IT'S NOT UPDATED. 
          THERE IS, UH, TWO TENANTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE SIMILAR TYPE OF SIGNAGE ON THAT LOCATION. 
          THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I, THAT I HAVE. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, EXCUSE, NOT A VIOLATION. 
          UH, WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR. 
          UM, HOW LONG HAS YOUR TENANT BEEN IN THAT LOCATION? UH, TO, IT'S, UH, LET ME SEE. 
          IT'S LESS THAN THREE MONTHS, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SINA? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          HOW DO WE GET, BECAUSE THIS IS A REPETITIVE ISSUE, UM, I REMEMBER ALREADY TWO, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD ONE OF THESE COME IN AND WE, UM, REQUESTED THAT THERE BE A MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER DOES. 
          HOW DO WE GET THE OWNER TO COME IN AND HOW DO WE HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHO IS, YEAH, I MEAN, REALLY IT COULD BE WITHHOLDING OF, OF APPROVALS FOR THE BUILDING UNTIL THAT'S IN PLACE. 
          AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT LAST, UH, REQUEST FOR THIS BUILDING. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN WOULD DO, IT WOULD SET KIND OF STANDARD SIZES, PLACEMENT MATERIALS, LIGHTING TYPES FOR ALL OF THE TENANT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO THEN AS NEW LEASES CAME FORWARD, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT POTENTIAL TENANT, HERE'S WHAT YOU GET FOR SIGNAGE. 
          AND THAT AS LONG AS PERMITS WERE SUBMITTED THAT WERE, UM, COMPLIANT WITH THAT APPROVED PLAN, IT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL VERSUS COMING HERE EVERY TIME. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE INCENTIVE TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE NOT PULLING PERMITS, THEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING, UH, APPROVAL FROM US OR FROM THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE RUN INTO THE SITUATION. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO TIE THAT, UM, MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN TO, UM, CERTIFICATE OF A, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES WHERE THE, SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY WOULD COME TO YOU FIRST. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE REALLY COULD, UM, AND THERE'S PROBABLY MULTIPLE COOS ALREADY FOR THIS BUILDING AND ITS TENANTS AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD REVOKE IN ORDER TO GET A SIGNAGE PLAN IN PLACE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          SO, SO THEN IT'S SOMEBODY WITH SOME SIGN, UH, COMPANY WITH AN ENTREPRENEURIAL MINDSET APPROACHES THE OWNER AND SAYS, LET ME HELP YOU DEVELOP A, A SIGNAGE POLICY. 
          THEY COULD BRING THAT TO YOU THAT, UM, REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND THEN THEY COULD SOLIDIFY ALL OF THAT FOR ALL THE OCCUPANTS IN YEAH. 
          I THINK THE GREATEST INCENTIVE IS THAT THE TENANTS WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. 
          THEY WOULD JUST KNOW WHAT WAS ALLOWED. 
          THEY WOULD DESIGN THEIR SPECS ACCORDINGLY, AND THEY WOULD GET AN EASY APPROVAL EVERY TIME. 
          SO THEN ON THIS OUTCOME HERE, HOW DID THIS COME BEFORE US? I DON'T BELIEVE IT CAME TO US AS A VIOLATION. 
          NOT ONE THAT I HEARD. 
          IT CAME THROUGH AS A COA AND IN THE, UM, REQUEST LANGUAGE, IT WAS STATED, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED. 
          HMM. 
          SO NOW WILL THE CITY GO KNOCKING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S DOORS HERE IN THAT BUILDING AND SAY THEY'RE IN VIOLATION? OH, WHY WE WOULD. 
          WELL, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THEY ARE THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UH, OCCUPANTS IN THAT BUILDING, THE OTHER TENANTS, THE OTHER TENANTS IN THAT BUILDING, THEIR SIGNAGE IS CLEARLY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THE PROPO, WHAT THIS CUSTOMER'S PROPOSING RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK WHAT'S PROBABLY NEEDED IS A NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT PROBABLY HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S 
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BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION, PLEASE. 
          WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK, UM, THIS OWNER HAS STEERED THE TENANTS WRONG IN GETTING, UM, APPROVALS FOR PROPOSED SIGNAGE. 
          AND I THINK THE, UM, WELL LEAVE IT AT THAT  OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I GUESS I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW YOU GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO REQUEST A PRESENCE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IN IT AS PART OF THAT, UH, MOTION, OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN DO TO NOTIFY THEM? WE CAN ABSOLUTELY NOTIFY. 
          WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO SUBMIT ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE SIGN THAT'S THERE. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A, 'CAUSE WHAT'S THERE IS NOW IS A, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, IS THAT VINYL? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? NO, IT'S, IT'S A FLUSH MOUNT CHANNEL LETTERS WITH OPAQUE FACES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU NEED TO BE, UM, METAL OR OPAQUE FACES AND BACKLIT A LIGHT IN THE BACK. 
          YES. 
          DOES THE CURRENT SIGN PROVIDE FOR THE ABILITY TO RETROFIT IT? I GUESS I'M ASKING THE, THE CLIENT OR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, WE CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, THAT YOU GUYS DESIRE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT, UH, I CONSULT WITH THE, WITH, WITH MY CUSTOMER, UH, AND SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE NO REQUIREMENT OF THE, OF THE LANDLORD ABOUT SIGNAGE. 
          AND THAT'S VERY COMMON ON, ON DIFFERENT PLACES THAT THE, THE, THE LANDLORD PROVIDES. 
          THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR SIGNAGE. 
          YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS PROTOCOLS OR THESE GUIDELINES. 
          SHE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING. 
          AND ONE MORE TIME, THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE. 
          UH, BUT HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IF, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THE SIGN IS ALREADY UP AND IT WILL, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS CUSTOMERS IN A SMALL BUSINESS STRIVING TO SURVIVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS MOMENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, TO APPEAL TO, TO ANY, ANY SET EXCEPTION WITH HER WHATEVER IT IS TO, OR ANY, ANY OTHER OPTION. 
          BUT, UH, REMOVING THE SIGN AND DOING A NEW ONE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE FOR HER. 
          IT WILL, IT WILL AFFECT HER, HER BUSINESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT THERE WITHOUT EITHER REMOVING THE SIGN OR REMOVING THE SIGN AND REUSING THE SIGN, BUT WITH THE BACKLIT, UM, IN THERE, SINCE IT IS OFF THE, OFF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS, UM, HOW FAR IS THE SIGN, UM, OFF THE BUILDING WHEN IT'S MOUNTED? WHAT ARE THE MOUNTS LIKE? IT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S FLUSH MOUNTED. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, THERE'S NO, UH, I MEAN THE FRONT OF THE FACE IS ACRYLIC. 
          THE BACK OF THE LE THE, THE CHANNEL LETTER, IT'S ALUMINUM AND IT'S NOT, IT WILL HAVE TO BE REDONE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY. 
          SO YOU CAN REUSE THE SIGN, JUST KIND OF MOUNT IT OFF THE, OFF THE, OFF THE SURFACE ITSELF. 
          SO YOU CAN RETROFIT SOME LIGHT BACK THERE? OR IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO? I MEAN, AS A COMPANY, YES, WE CAN, BUT IT'S NOT, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REUSE THE SAME MATERIAL. 
          WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE OUT IT, IT, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT PO IT'S NOT MONEY, UH, WISE TO DO GO, TO GO THAT ROUTE. 
          IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT NEW AND THEN TO PUT IT AGAIN, IT WILL, IT JUST LIKE DOING A NEW ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE GUIDELINES, BUT I THINK, UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF ALL OF THIS, I THINK THAT, UH, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE SUPPORTED THE, THE MOTION AND, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, I THINK YOUR RECOURSE IS POTENTIALLY EITHER WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THERE'S ALSO AN APPEALS PROCESS THAT WE CAN INFORM YOU ABOUT AFTER THIS HEARING. 
          SO, UM, MY FINAL COMMENTS ON THIS IS THAT I, AGAIN, I I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE OWNER. 
          I MEAN, NOT THE OWNER, BUT THE, UM, THE BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM RESTS WITH THE, THE OWNER OF THE SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN NOT INFORMING ABOUT HOW IT JUST SHOULD BE DONE. 
          AND THEN THE FACT THAT THEY EVEN ALLOW THAT SIGN TO GO UP WITHOUT EVEN INFORMING THAT THERE'S CERTAIN GUIDELINES THAT NEED TO BE MET. 
          AND I MEAN, I KNOW THEIR BUSINESS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S THERE, BUT THE OTHER ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, RUN INTO THE SAME SITUATION. 
          AND SO THEY SAID, WE, WE DON'T HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, SO WE CAN'T MAKE THE OWNER APPEAR HERE. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, INFORMATION DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED BACK TO THEM TO SAY WHAT TYPE OF POSITION THEY'RE PUTTING YOU IN, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS VOTE GOES, BUT PUBLIC COMPOSITION THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER'S BEEN PLACED IN BECAUSE OF THIS. 
          SO, UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, 
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I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          UH, FOR STAFF. 
          SO IF THIS MOTION IS DENIED, UM, THE BUSINESS OWNER MERELY EXISTS WITH A NON-CONFORMING SIGN, CORRECT? THERE, IS THERE AN ACTION THAT REQUIRES HIM TO REMOVE IT? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN WE, IT'S A COMPLIANCE CASE AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? JUST LIKE ANY WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL. 
          SO YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          SO HE WOULD JUST BE EXISTING WITH NON-CONFORMANCE SITUATION OR A VIOLATION? A VIOLATION, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NONCONFORMING. 
          WE USUALLY SAY THAT IF IT'S LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, SO OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE AN EXISTING ONGOING VIOLATION, BUT THE SIGN STAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THE SIGN STAY UNLESS THERE'S A DEVICE THAT, UM, HAS THE, HOW WOULD THEY MAKE 'EM GET IT OFF? I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU'RE, SO THE RECOURSE IS THE RECOURSE IS A MUNICIPAL COURT FINE. 
          THAT WOULD BE FILED BY US, PURSUED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          AND SO TO AVOID THE MUNICIPAL COURT HEARING, THE, UM, TENANT CAN COMPLY VOLUNTARILY BY REMOVING AND INSTALLING AN APPROVED SIGN. 
          UM, SO THAT IS THE RECOURSE. 
          SO BASICALLY THE TENANT WOULD EAT THE COST OF THE SIGN AND THEN THE, THE, THE OWNER WOULD NOT HAVE TO SUB BE SUBJECT TO THE VIOLATION OR TO THE NOTIFICATION BY THE CITY TO GET A SIGN PLAN OR A MASTER PLAN GOING FOR HIS BUILDING. 
          HER BUILDING OR WHOEVER'S BUILDING IS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BY CITY ORDINANCE. 
          IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT OUR, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOES NOT GO IN THEIR, THEIR FAVOR, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO GO TO THE OWNER AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE POSITION THAT YOU PUT ME IN AND MAKE SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION, I MEAN SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THEM BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT. 
          UM, A QUESTIONABLE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THE ACTUAL, UM, CRUSH K SHOP HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          BUT IT IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THE BUSINESS OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ISSUE HERE. 
          SO MAY I ADD SURE. 
          CONSIDERING THE VACANCY IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, SO FOR SO LONG, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I GET MY CORN TORTILLAS IN THE NEXT TENANT, UM, UH, THAT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE MOTIVATED TO KEEP THAT TENANT AND HOPEFULLY RESOLVE THIS. 
          SIR, GO AHEAD. 
          I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. 
          UH, MY 2 CENTS AS A, AS A, I'M IN THE SIGN INDUSTRY, AND THIS IS VERY COMMON IN OUR INDUSTRY THAT THE, THE, THE LANDLORD OR THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T PROVIDE THIS GUIDANCE TO THE, TO THE TENANTS. 
          AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE TENANTS PAID OR THEY EITHER UP THE COST OF REPLACING THE SIGN IN MY UNDERSTANDING, IN MY PERSPECTIVE IS NOT, IS NOT FAIR. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF NOT, WE CANNOT FORCE THE LANDLORD TO DO ANYTHING, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A, THERE'S A PUBLICATION OR THERE'S A WAY THAT THE CITY CAN INFORM ALL TENANTS AND ALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WHENEVER THEY OPEN A COMPANY, WHENEVER THEY'RE GONNA OPEN AND STORE TO INFORM THEM ABOUT THE, THE SIGNAGE GUIDANCE. 
          IT, IF, IF THIS LADY WILL HAVE THAT THIS PROBLEM, WE SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. 
          YOU KNOW, SHE WOULD'VE FOLLOWED THAT GUIDANCE EVEN THOUGH THE LANDLORD'S NOT PROVIDED, BECAUSE IF SHE, IF THE SIGN GETS TAKE, TAKE HIM OFF AND SHE GOES TO THE DOWN LANDLORD, THE LANDLORD IS NOT GONNA DO NOTHING. 
          SHE'S GONNA SAY, WELL, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. 
          IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIX NOTHING. 
          THIS WON'T AFFECT THAT, THE SMALL BUSINESS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          DOES COMMISSIONER, SORRY, CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION? YES, PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION. 
          IT WAS, UM, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          GOT IT. 
          YOU DECLARE COMMISSIONER CASTILLO? AYE, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          HOPE THEY HAVEN'T CALLED FOR THE VOTE YET, SO I CALL FOR THE VOTE, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          GO AHEAD, CASTIO. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? NO. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS NAY. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS 
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OUR FINAL CASE, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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