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LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY OCTO, I'M SORRY, OCTOBER, DECEMBER 4TH, 2024.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO SAVINO.
WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD REPORTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MURRAY GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND OR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR WHERE I START MAKING THIS ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE CITY'S WINTER CLOSURE.
UM, AND SO CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED BETWEEN TUESDAY, DECEMBER 24TH TO, UH, JANUARY 2ND, WE'LL RETURN.
UM, SO JUST MAKE YOUR PLANS ACCORDINGLY.
UM, WE WILL BE TAKING ACTION ON THE 2025 SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS HERE AT OUR NEXT HEARING, AND SO WE'LL SHARE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN CHECK YOUR OWN CALENDARS FOR CONFLICTS AS WELL.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE QUICK STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, CLAUDIA ESPINOZA, ONE OF OUR SPECIALISTS.
THIS IS HER LAST HTRC HEARING.
UM, SHE HAS TAKEN A NEW ROLE WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AS A REGIONAL REVIEWER, UM, FOR OUR REGION.
AND SO WE'LL STILL BE SEEING HER AS STAFF.
UM, BUT THIS IS HER LAST HEARING HERE, UH, WITH YOU ALL.
SO BE SURE TO CONGRATULATE HER AND THANK YOU FOR HER SERVICE.
UM, WITH THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOVEMBER 18TH 20TH.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 20, 20, 24.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS ON THE CONSIDERED AGENDA.
UM, AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, UH, NUMBER FOUR WILL BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS STIPULATIONS.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL HEAR VOICEMAILS RECEIVED.
FOR ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND ITEM SIX, WE HAVE NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF HNAS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 92 LOCATED AT 1510 EAST HOUSTON STREET.
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WITH STAFF THAT ALL STIPULATIONS BE MET PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL.WE WOULD LIKE TO ESPECIALLY CALL OUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED.
THIS PROPERTY HAS NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T CURRENTLY MEET THE LANDSCAPE GUIDELINES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE APPROVED ROCK COLOR AND 50% NATIVE FRONT YARD PLANT REQUIREMENT.
UM, MY HOME ADDRESS IS 4 3 1 ADAMS STREET, UM, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0, UH, IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA.
AND I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, 6 22 CEDAR STREET, HCRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 82.
UM, I AM CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE FRONT PORCH SCREEN INSTALLATION.
IT'S ALSO REMOVABLE, THEREFORE IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF THE HOUSE.
UM, I THINK IT'LL LOOK GREAT AND I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT.
YES, THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWS THE APPLICATION AND ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNINTENDED PRECEDENT THAT THIS APPROVAL WILL BRING.
FRONT PORCHES WITHOUT SCREENS ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT IN KING WILLIAMS. THE PROPOSED SCREEN MATERIAL AND ITS SUPPORTING FRAMES AT A SIGNIFICANT VISUAL ELEMENT THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICATION INDICATES THE INSTALLATION AS REVERSIBLE, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHEN WILL IT BE REVERSED? IN THE MEANTIME, MORE AND MORE REQUESTS FOR FRONT PORCH SCREENING WILL BE APPROVED AND OUR CHARACTER DEFINING FRONT PORCHES WILL HAVE NON-ORIGINAL SCREENS.
FOR THIS REASON, WE STRONGLY URGE YOU NOT TO GRANT THIS APPROVAL.
THIS IS REGARDING 6 2 2 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 8 2.
HI, MY NAME IS MARIA LUISA VELA GOOD.
I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX IN SUPPORT OF THE SCREENING OF THE PORCH OF 6 22 CEDAR STREET.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL ME, BUT AGAIN, I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THAT WORK BEING, UM, SENT THROUGH IN A POSITIVE WAY.
I'M A RESIDENT AT 6 3 4 CEDAR STREET.
I AM CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER SIX.
AS A NEIGHBOR IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, I APPRECIATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ARCHITECT OVERSEEING THIS PROJECT IS WORKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE ASSOCIATION.
I BELIEVE THE PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE CHARACTER AND CHARM OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE DESIGN APPEARS TO HONOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOME WHILE ENHANCING ITS AESTHETIC APPEAL.
I FULLY SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THE ASSOCIATION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT.
THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS.
DO ANY COMMISSIONS? WE SUPPORT ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER TWO.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WOULD BE ITEM 1, 2, 3.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND TWO AND FOUR.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND IS ONLINE.
YEAH, I'M HERE AND I ALSO AYE, THANK YOU.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1210 SOUTH ALAMO, 1510 EAST HOUSTON, FIVE 40 ADAM, 6 22 CEDAR AND 3 35 EAST PARK.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT JUST STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS
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HEARING.IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER 2 93 0 2.
ADA, THE APPLICANT, FERNANDO DE LEON, UH, IS HERE IN PERSON.
HEY, HOW YOU DOING SIR? PLEASE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
HI, MY NAME IS FERNANDO ION 1650 WEST RESEARCH.
UH, THE REASON WHY I PULLED THIS IS I NEED WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION AND SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN.
ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU THE OWNER OR THE CONTRACTOR OR NO, WE'RE THE, UH, DESIGNERS, THE, THE OWNER'S RIGHT HERE AND THE AUDIENCE.
I WOULD, UM, CAN WE HAVE THE OWNER APPROACH THE DI OR THE PODIUM ALSO, SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE, ARE FOR YOUR FUTURE USE.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER SINO, HOLD ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE, MA'AM? OLIVIA BERGER.
YOU'VE, UM, SUGGESTED THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THERE NOT BEING A PARKING PATH GOING TO THE BACK OF THE YARD, THAT THERE'S NO PARKING PROVIDED FOR THE PROPERTY AND, UM, STAFF MENTIONS THAT A LOT IS NARROW.
DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH.
UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THE FRONT YARD PARKING CONDITION OR THE CONDITION THAT WOULD RESULT IN FRONT YARD PARKING WITHOUT A SIDE DRIVEWAY IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE.
UM, THE GUIDELINES TALKS TO, UH, PARKING BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE GUIDELINES TYPICALLY IN THAT CONTEXT ARE REFERRING TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE DEVELOPED, UM, LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FURTHER NORTH IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CLOSER HERE, NATHAN KING, WILLIAM LAVACCA, DIGNITY HILL, UH, STEFANS THAT ON A SPOT A ROAD, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARKING CONDITIONS AND CONFIGURATIONS AND THERE'S NOT A DEFINED PATTERN.
THERE'S FRONT YARD PARKING, THERE'S SIDE PARKING, THERE'S REAR PARKING, THERE'S INFORMAL PARKING ON GRAVEL, DECOMPOSED, GRANITE, GRASS, ET CETERA.
UH, AND SO STAFF FINDS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING HERE ISN'T OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF THE SPOT OF A SPOT, A ROAD IN THIS CONTEXT.
SO, UH, MOVING FORWARD, IF AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE THAT THE OWNER WANTS A GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY FOR PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE STAFF'S, UM, SUGGESTION OR THEIR REVIEW WOULD BE? WELL, UM, GOING BACK TO THE CONTEXT OF A SPOTTER ROAD, UH, THERE ARE UNCOVERED PARKING CONDITIONS IN THE FRONT OF HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE FRONT OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ON A SPOTTER ROAD.
UH, WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE ENCLOSED GARAGES IN FRONT OF PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OR EVEN, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN RECALL, CARPORTS OR COVERED PARKING.
UH, SO, UM, AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT WAS STAYING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S FOUND HISTORICALLY ON A SPOTTER ROAD, THEN UM, THEIR REQUEST WOULD LIKELY BE SUPPORTED.
THE OTHER CONCERN IS FOR YOU, THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER, UM, YOU ARE AWARE THAT IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THE HOUSE AS IT CURRENTLY IS CITED THAT THERE'S, UNLESS YOU OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THERE'S NO VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE BACK.
AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, EVEN THOUGH AT SOME POINT IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A, A, I DON'T KNOW, A DECK IN OR A, OR A STORAGE SHED OR A GARAGE OR A SWIMMING POOL OR WHATEVER, THAT IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE? YES.
SO I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A SWIMMING POOL IF THERE'S NO ENTRANCE OR RIGHT, RIGHT.
UNLESS YOU WERE ABLE TO ACCESS THE, THE SIDE, THE PROPERTIES SIDE, THE PROPERTY SIDE TO THE SIDE, IF YOU HAD THAT.
OTHERWISE, THE WAY IT'S SET NOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE OTHER PROPERTIES CORRECT WERE FILLED WITH HOUSES, YOU WOULD, UM, OR THERE WAS OTHER CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO ACCESS THE BACK WITH A VEHICLE.
AND I UNDERSTAND AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
I I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
UM, IT, IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, YOU HAVE A SWIMMING POOL OR NOT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE SIX FEET ON ONE SIDE AND VERY MINIMAL FIVE FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF LAND BEHIND YOU.
AND YOU LOSE ACCESS FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT MACHINERY THAT YOU WOULD NEED, THAT YOU MIGHT NEED OR DESIRE TO WORK THAT BACK THERE, A TRUCK, A, A BACKHOE.
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AND, UH, I'M WONDERING WHY, WHY HAVEN'T YOU CONSIDERED A DESIGN THAT GIVES YOU 12 FEET ON THE SIDE? WELL, SIMPLY PUT, IT'S BECAUSE I'M 70 YEARS OLD AND I DON'T PLAN ON DOING ANYTHING, JUST THE HOUSE.BUT, BUT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA HAVE IT AFTER YOU WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT THEN.
I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING OUT FOR MYSELF.
NO, NO, I I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S LIKE, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BAKING A CAKE AND YOU CAN CHOOSE WHAT KIND OF CAKE YOU WANNA MAKE.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE 70 YEARS OLD.
IF YOU WANT CHOCOLATE OR VANILLA, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
BUT, UH, IN CHOOSING THAT, YOU, YOU HAVE A A A YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE THERE YET, SO IT CAN BE ANYTHING DEPENDING ON THE DESIGNER, RIGHT.
WHAT THE DESIGNER DOES FOR YOU.
UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.
AND IF YOU, UH, IF YOU THINK OF, GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT, MAYBE YOU COME BACK AGAIN AND, UM, BEFORE YOU GO GET PERMITS AND, AND DO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU WANNA SELL IT AND SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, I'D BUY IT IF I COULD GET A TRUCK BACK THERE.
'CAUSE IT, BECAUSE THE DESIGN CAN BE WHATEVER YOU SET AS THEIR CRITERIA.
NOW, IF YOUR CRITERIA WAS I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING CAN GET TO THE BACKYARD, WELL, YOU'VE ACHIEVED THAT.
IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR CRITERIA WAS, THEN YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO GET WITH YOUR DESIGNER AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
OTHERWISE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S YOUR HOUSE.
LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR FLOOR PLAN AND YOUR BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UM, YOU HAVE STONE WORK AT YOUR ENTRY, CORRECT.
AND ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE, UH, PRIMARY BEDROOM.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, THE STONE ON THE, UH, BEDROOM IS JUST THE THICKNESS OF THE STONE.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER WRAPPING THAT STONE AROUND THE TWO SIDES? UH, LIKE IF YOU GO TO THE PLAN, WRAP IT AROUND TO THE LEFT AND TAKE IT TO THE WALL THAT HAS THE, THE WALK-IN CLOSET.
SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT THREE FEET WORTH OF STONE ON, UH, EITHER SIDE OF THAT, UH, BEDROOM WING THAT PROJECTS OUT.
I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESENCE AND, UM, MAKE MORE OF THE STONE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO USE.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? YES, I WOULD.
OTHER QUESTIONS? NOW, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDED STIPULATION TO WRAP THE, UH, STONE VENEER ON THE BEDROOM WING, UH, THREE FEET AROUND THE TWO, UH, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH WALLS.
I JUST THINK ADDING THAT STONE WOULD, UM, ENHANCE YOUR, THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND MAKE MORE OF THE, THE STONE THAT YOU'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MONEY ON, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD TOO.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO NAY VELAZQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE.
UH, NEXT WILL REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
UM, I WILL LET THE APPLICANT CONFIRM, UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WITH THE COMMISSION AND THEY ARE, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OTHERS FROM STAFF.
UM, AND SO, UH, PAM, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL NOT READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO SO FOR THE TWO ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH.
UM, OTHERWISE, UH, PAM, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLIP THROUGH WITH THE KEYBOARD UP THERE.
UM, AND I CAN PULL UP THE LATE DOCUMENTS IF YOU NEED ME TO KEYBOARD, JUST LET ME KNOW.
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AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.MY ADDRESS IS 9 33 NORTH FLORES.
I'M HERE WITH THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE OWNER, BILLY MAKER, WHO'S THE HEADMASTER OF KEYSTONE SCHOOL, AND TRISTAN ANDREWS AND ARCHITECT AT OVERLAND PARTNERS.
AND THEY WILL PROBABLY JOIN ME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, UH, GIVE MORE INPUT.
UM, AND, UM, SO I DUNNO, BILLY, DO YOU WANNA COME UP AND JUST GIVE LIKE A ONE MINUTE, UM, ORIENTATION FOR THE PUBLIC ON THE, THE PROJECT? JUST JUST TO KIND OF SET THE FRAME, THE FRAME THE QUESTIONS? SURE.
I'M THE HEAD OF KEYSTONE SCHOOL, AND WHAT WE ARE HOPING I'M HOPING TO DO IS, UM, TAKE THE HILDEBRAND HOUSE THAT IS AT THE CORNER OF WOODLAWN AND MCCULLOUGH AND PRESERVE IT AS WELL AS REPURPOSE IT TO BECOME AN EDUCATIONAL BUILDING, HOUSING CLASSES FOR THE ARTS AS WELL AS MATHEMATICS.
UM, AND MAINTAIN THE BEAUTY, UM, OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT USE IT FOR NEW PURPOSE.
SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS AND PRESENT, UH, PARTICULARLY ITEMS TWO AND EIGHT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, JUST FOR THE OVERALL SCOPE IN ONE MINUTE OR LESS, IDEALLY, IS, UM, IT IS AN ARTS.
UM, THE HILDEBRAND HOUSE WILL BECOME A, UM, ARTS PROGRAM SPACE, AND THE EXTERIOR WILL GET A FULL REHAB WINDOWS SIDING THAT, THAT NEEDS ATTENTION.
THE FRONT PORCH WILL BE SURGICALLY RECONSTRUCTED, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME, SOME UNDERLYING STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
AND, UM, THE COLUMN SH UH, SHAFTS WILL BE RE RETAINED, BUT THE BASES ARE DETERIORATED AND THE PLASTER CAPITALS ARE LARGELY NOT SURVIVING.
SO THOSE WILL BE, UM, REPLACED.
AND, UM, THE ROOF WILL BE A, UH, CRIMP SEAM METAL ROOF IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR, UH, OUR INSTITUTIONAL CLIENT.
UM, BUT, UM, OUTBOARD FROM THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE REHABBED THE MAIN HOUSE THERE WAS, UM, A SERVANT'S QUARTERS TO, TO THE REAR AND IT'S OVER AN EASEMENT.
AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE DISCUSSED OPTIONS AND OUR HOMEWORK WAS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR RECONSTRUCTING AND RESURRECTING THAT, UM, IN, IN A NEW, UM, GIVE IT NEW LIFE.
AND WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER, HE REPORTED THAT THE SEWER WAS VERY SHALLOW, UM, MOST LIKELY GIVEN THAT IT'S A HISTORIC SYSTEM AND THAT ITS AGE AND, AND PROXIMITY TO THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE POINTS INDICATE THAT, THAT THAT AREA IS VERY SHALLOW BELOW.
AND SINCE WE'RE OVER AN EASEMENT, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS SUCH AS CPS OR THE UTILITY COMPANIES MIGHT TAKE ISSUE WITH A PERMANENT, ANOTHER PERMANENT STRUCTURE THERE.
AND SO A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO THE SOUTH, UM, IN A NARROW, KIND OF A NARROW SIDE YARD.
AND IT WOULD BE SET BACK FROM THE MAIN, THE MAIN PORCH AND THE MAIN FRONT FACADE.
AND, UM, IT WOULD TAKE ON THE FORM OF THE, THE SERVANT'S QUARTERS AND VERY MODEST, VERY QUIET, UM, ALONG HILDE, UH, MCCULLOUGH AVENUE.
UM, AND THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL SUPPORT THE POTTERY KILNS FOR THE ART SPACE, AND IT'LL RECAPTURE THE SPIRIT OF THE HOUSE AND KEEP THE MEMORY THAT THE HOUSE DID NOT EXIST ALONE.
THERE WERE THESE OUTBOARD STRUCTURES.
IT'LL BE SIMPLE, QUIET, STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, SIMILAR IN SCALE AND MASSING TO THE SERVANT'S QUARTERS, HUMBLE, UM, ALL THESE THINGS THAT'LL MAKE IT UN AND UM, WE'D LIKE TO STAY WITH THE METAL.
UM, STAFF HAD PROPOSED THAT IT BE FROM MATERIALS OF THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A KILN SHED, WE'D LIKE TO USE SOMETHING MORE DURABLE, NON-COMBUSTIBLE AND JUST COMMONLY USED TODAY, THE METAL SORT OF SYSTEM.
UM, IT'S ON MCCULLOUGH, WHICH IS IN ITS MIDBLOCK.
UM, IT'LL BE BEHIND LAYERS OF LANDSCAPE, SO IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY LOW VISIBILITY AND UNASSUMING.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES, UM, ITEM TWO, KILN SHED COMMENTS.
AND THEN FOR ITEM EIGHT, THE, UM, THE FENCING, UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING US NOT TO EXCEED A FOUR FOOT FENCE HEIGHT, BUT
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AGAIN, WE'RE BACK ON MCCULLOUGH, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD AND IT'S PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC.AND, UM, WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHILDREN SECURE.
KEYSTONE SECURITY CONSULTANT IS ENCOURAGING A SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH IS IN KEEPING WITH OTHER AREAS OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE, UM, SIX FOOT TALL FENCING.
AND, UM, SO, UM, IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA OF MCCULLOUGH, THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
UM, SO PREVAILING HEIGHTS, SIX FEET COMMERCIAL.
WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO MEDIATE, UM, THE FENCE WITH SOME INTERMEDIATE PLANTING.
AND ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PROMINENT VIEW OF THE HISTORIC HOME AS IT WAS THAT VIEW SHED WAS, VIEW SHED WAS HISTORICALLY.
SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE, THE FENCE HEIGHT A LITTLE TALLER TO KEEP THE CHILDREN SAFE.
UM, I THINK THAT COVERS ALL THE POINTS.
TRISTAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE KILN SHED OR FENCING DESIGN? UM, THERE A QUESTION? YEAH.
ARE THERE? YEAH, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS.
REGARDING STAFF'S, UM, STAFF'S REPORT, THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I I HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
IN, IN TERMS OF THE KILN SHED, THERE'S AN IMAGE THAT WAS POPPING UP OVER HERE THAT WERE COPPER COLORED, UH, STRUCTURES.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT PICTURE OVER THERE? MM-HMM.
HI, I'M, I'M TRISTAN WITH OVERLAND PARTNERS.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE FELT THAT THE ORIGINAL SERVANTS QUARTERS, LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP OF A SERVICE BUILDING MAIN HOUSE.
EXCUSE ME, TRISTAN MAIN, CAN YOU PULL THE MIC UP? SORRY.
WELL, AND, AND JUST REALLY MORE THAN ANYTHING, I'M JUST WONDERING.
I, IS IT LOOK LIKE THAT OR IS THAT JUST AN EXAMPLE? WE WERE THINKING THAT IT, THAT CONTRAST COULD, COULD STRETCH AS WELL TO THE MATERIAL FINISH AND IT NOT LIKE MATCH THE WHITE OF THE HOUSE.
AND IT, IT CONTRASTS BOTH IN LIKE THE SCALE AND FORM, BUT ALSO IN THE COLOR.
AND, AND SO THEN THAT LOCATION IN THE, IN THE OVERALL SITE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, YEAH.
SO IT'S JUST THE HOUSE PAGE TO THE, YEAH, SO IF WE ZOOM IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE CALL A, AN ART DECK AND THEN THE GUN SHED, THE, YEAH, SO THAT'S THOSE FORMS, BUT IT'S SHOWN JUST AS ONE THERE, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, IT IS ONE ONE BUILDING.
SO GO THE OTHER PICTURE AGAIN.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE, LIKE ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST FOR MATERIALS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST ON THE FENCE.
UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT FIRST PAGE OF WHAT YOU GAVE US TODAY.
I THINK, YEAH, THAT, IS THERE A, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF MAYBE DOING FOUR FOOT FENCE MORE ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE HEIGHT ALREADY COMPARED TO JUST TO, LIKE WE'VE DONE OTHER CASES IS KIND OF LIKE IN SOME AREAS WE'LL DO FOUR FEET AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY AND ALL THAT, BUT MAYBE WE COULD DO FOUR FEET IN SOME AREAS.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE STAIRS ARE, THAT'S A GATE, RIGHT? SO KEEPING THAT SIX FEET MM-HMM,
SO MAYBE JUST IN THE FIRST SECTION THING THAT COULD BE, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK WE COULD, I THINK THE WAY THAT ITS STEPS NOW KIND OF OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WITH IT.
AND SO, UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE IT DOWN TO FOUR FEET FOR PART OF IT.
AND THEN, UM, MAYBE LIKE THE FIRST TWO SECTIONS.
YEAH, MAYBE THE THIRD, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WE'LL STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAINTAINING THE SIX FEET FROM THE EXTERIOR, BUT 'CAUSE IT STEPPED, WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE IT DOWN AND, AND THE SIX FEET IS ALL AROUND OR IS JUST ON THIS, UH, MCCULLOUGH, UM, IT, IT'S ALL AROUND.
SO ON CAMPUS NOW THEY HAVE FENCES THAT ARE ALL LIKE SIX FEET ALREADY.
AND SO THE NEW FENCE, BUT THIS STIPULATION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS PART, RIGHT? YES.
THIS AND PART OF WOODLAWN 'CAUSE IT, IT WRAPS AROUND THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECTION THAT HAVE A NEW FENCE.
SO THE STIPULATION WOULD ONLY APPLY.
STIPULATION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS.
YEAH, THERE'S NO FENCING RIGHT NOW.
UM, FOR THE, TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE AND TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S TEMPORARY FENCING AND IT'S, IT'S VERY UNSIGHTLY.
AND SO KEYSTONE SCHOOLS LOOKING TO BRING, UM, THEIR FENCING ALL, ALL THE, THIS BUILDING AND
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PARCEL INTO THE FOLD OF THE MAIN CAMPUS AND TO SORT OF, I THINK GET SOME CONSISTENCY OF FENCING BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL TYPES OF FENCING ON CAMPUS AND THEY'RE VETTING THAT WITH THEIR SECURITY CONSULTANT, UM, ON, UH, THE FENCING RECOMMENDATIONS.SIR, I, I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE KILN SHED AGAIN, IS THAT, UM, RUST COLORED CORTEN STEEL? UM, NO.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DESCRIBE IS LIKE A BRONZY FINISHED METAL.
WE DIDN'T WANT ANY RUST ON THE CAMPUS.
SO MORE JUST LIKE A DARK METAL.
AND IS IT OPEN TO OPEN WALLED TOWARDS THE, UH, BRECKENRIDGE, NO HILDEBRAND HOUSE.
UM, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE OPEN, UM, WALLED AT ALL.
IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH OPAQUE FACADE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, BUT THE DOORS WOULD OPEN TOWARD THE HOUSE SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE LIKE POTTERY ITEMS FROM THE ART CLASSROOMS TO THE KILN AND, AND YOU WILL NEED VENTILATION AND LOTS OF IT.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE EXHAUSTED.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION, SIR, GO AHEAD.
I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE ITEMS IN QUESTION AND WITH ALL OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND ITEMS MOVING FOUR, SIR, HOLD ON A SECOND.
THE ITEMS TWO AND EIGHT WERE AS, AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT AND ALL OF THE ITEMS WITH AS STIPULATED BY STAFF.
WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO TO JUST NOTE THAT THE CLEAR CLEAR FROM THE, FROM THE LARGE IMAGE THAT THE NATURE OF THE CAMPUS IS ACTUALLY, OR IT'S BECOMING THAT CAMPUS.
SO IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL USE, IT'S, IT'S UM, ACTUALLY REACHING ALMOST A HIGHER MONUMENTALITY.
THE FENCE, UH, THE, THE HATE CALL IT A FENCE, RIGHT? BUT IT, IT CREATES THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT STRONG FEEL.
I, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, RECOMMEND, WHICH I KNOW DOESN'T HAPPEN MUCH ANYMORE, BUT, BUT THAT FENCE GET AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
THE USE OF BAR STEEL, THIN, THIN STEEL OR SOMETHING VERY BEAUTIFUL AND VERY SIMPLE, BUT I'M NOT THE ONE PAYING FOR IT.
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UH, MOVING ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 24 3 7 5 10 0 2 ENCAMPMENT BOULEVARD.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH AN EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND TWO, TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 1,360 SQUARE FEET AND OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 23 FEET.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE STRUCTURE BE DECONSTRUCTED BY A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR IS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 12, ARTICLE TWO OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE THE REUSE OF SALVAGE MATERIALS ON SITE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS F THROUGH J.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING G.
THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 40% OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOOTPRINT.
THE TWO THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE STRUCTURE'S OVERALL HEIGHT AS TO APPEAR SUBORDINATE AS A SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE ON SITE THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCED ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION EACH FACADE AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FACADE ARTICULATION.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REVIVES THE STRUCTURES ROOT FORM TO RELATE TO THE ROOF FORM OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE AND TO REDUCE THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES MASSING FOR THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLA WOULD WIN THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS ADHERE OR BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS.
UM, TO NOTE THERE ARE, UH, REVISED OR UPDATED DOCUMENTS THAT ARE NOT REFLECTED IN STAFF'S COMMENTS, HOWEVER, THOSE ARE IN YOUR LATE FOLDERS.
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FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. ADON OCHOAS HERE IN PERSON AND COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.I WILL PULL UP THE REVISED DOCUMENTS.
UH, SO JUST NOTE THAT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW IS NOT REFLECTED IN STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE? ARE WE LISTENING TO THE VOICEMAIL? NO.
MY NAME'S ALAN OCHOA, THE DESIGNER AND CONTRACTOR ON THE, UM, CATMAN PROJECT WITH MY CLIENT HERE AS WELL.
WELL, HEY, I'M CHRIS RYAN, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU ALL.
SO ACTUALLY, UM, WITH THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WENT OVER WITH MY CLIENT AND WE WERE, UH, WE REVISED THE DRAWINGS TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR.
I BELIEVE WE MET ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR AND, UM, DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACTUAL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OTHER THAN, UM, THE PROJECT, THE, THE HOUSE, THE, THE GARAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, IT WAS DAMAGED BY THE STORM.
UM, OF COURSE WE GOT APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE IT DECONSTRUCTED, WHICH WE'LL BE DOING.
SO, UH, THE FOOTPRINT, WE DID REMOVE THE, UH, CARPORT SO THAT THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE IS THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS WELL.
UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER REQUEST TO HAVE, UH, THE HEIGHT, UH, REDUCED, UH, WHICH WE WENT AHEAD AND DID SO BY MAKING THE ROOMS, UM, SHORTER AND MAKING THE ATTIC, UH, SHORTER AS WELL.
UM, WE WERE ALSO ASKED TO RELATE SOME OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE MAIN HOUSE AND BRING IT OVER TO THE GARAGE AS WELL, WHICH THE ONLY THING HONESTLY THAT YOU CAN BRING OVER IS THAT OF THE, UH, AWNINGS.
UM, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT SOME OF THE AWNINGS OVER ON THE GARAGE AND THE DOORWAY AREA.
UM, THE EXISTING GARAGE, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE? NO, NO, I'M SORRY.
THE EXISTING GARAGE HAD A HIP ROOF, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE MIMICKING, WHICH WAS THE HIP ROOF, BUT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE BRING THE ROOF OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AND BRING IT OVER TO THE GARAGE, WHICH THEN MADE IT INTO A GABLE AREA.
UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? UH, AS WELL AS UNFORTUNATELY 'CAUSE OF THE COST AND THE BUDGET, UH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING, UH, THE STONE OVER TO THE GARAGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE CHOSE TO GO WITH IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THERE RIGHT NOW AT THE, UM, WOOD SIDING, WHICH WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT OVER TO THE GARAGE SIDE AND WE WERE ASKED TO REVISE OR MAKE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATIONS ON THE WINDOWS, WHICH IT ADDED AN ADDITIONAL $10,000 TO THE PROJECT.
BUT THE CLIENT SAID THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, HISTORIC, IF THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO SO.
UH, WE DID NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR IN THE ALLEY AREA ONLY BECAUSE OF SECURITY.
UM, THEY GOT, THEY GET, UH, BROKEN INTO IN THAT AREA QUITE OFTEN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THAT FROM THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE DID ADD ONE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A A BEDROOM.
AND IN CASE OF FIRE, WE NEED A PLACE TO GET OUT.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I BELIEVE WE MET OR TRIED TO MEET ALL THE REQUESTS THAT STAFF HAD, UH, RECOMMENDED.
UM, YOU VOICEMAIL PLEASE? YEAH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE 20 24 3 7 5 1002 CAPMAN.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
WE NOTE THE ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY IS ON CANMAN.
HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY AND PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GARAGE ORIENTS TOWARDS THE 600 BLOCK OF DONALDSON AVENUE FACING SOUTH.
THE MASSING AND SCALE OF A NEW TWO STORY GARAGE IS IMPORTANT TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
WE REVIEWED THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS AND APPRECIATE THE PROPOSED CHANGES RESPONDING TO STAFF'S STIPULATIONS.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO.
WE NOTE THE VIEW FROM CAPMAN, THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE POINT TO THE
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HOME FACING THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL IS NOT RENDERED IN THE ELEVATIONS.THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ELEVATION AND WE HOPE TO SEE THIS RENDERED DURING THE FINAL SUBMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 22 AND AND THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO YOUR FRONT FACING ENCAMPMENT AND RIGHT NOW, LIKE THIS PHOTOGRAPH NUMBER THREE, THAT WOULD BE ON THE VIEW FROM THE SIDE? NO MA'AM.
WHICH IS A FUNCTIONING HAS CONCRETE.
THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN BACK OF THEM.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT COMPARED THERE TO THE NEW PROPOSED HEIGHT? LIKE I KNOW IT'S ONE STORY, BUT LIKE CAN YOU FEET, ARE WE DOUBLING? AND WHAT ABOUT COMPARING TO THE, UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE WE, UH, HAVE THE GARAGE AT A SEVEN FOOT AND WE HAVE UM, THE SECOND STORY AT AN EIGHT FOOT WITH THE GARAGE HEIGHT.
I THINK WE HAVE IT THERE AT, OH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ONE REAL QUICK? YEAH, IT'S A 22 AND THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.
SO 22 FEET, 3 23 FEET TALL IS THE PROPOSED, UH, FOUR OR PROPOSED HEIGHT RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS AREN'T ANNOTATED.
THE MEASUREMENTS NOT ANNOTATED TO SHOW THE AS-BUILT.
SO COMPARED TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH IS NOT REALLY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT, IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT'S BEEN MADE INTO APARTMENTS IN, IN BACK OF THEM.
YEAH, I I BELIEVE THOSE ARE A APARTMENT COMPLEX.
NO, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR SEPARATE UNITS IN THERE.
IT'S, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE APARTMENTS.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT COMPARED TO THAT BUILDING? AND THEN I'M ALSO THINKING LIKE NEXT DOOR, UM, I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T MEASURE, UM, GO BACK ONE MORE.
THAT ONE IN THE BACK, THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING IS.
AND THEN YOU SAID YOU REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU REDUCED IT? LIKE I REMOVED THE, THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
RIGHT NOW THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST REMOVED THE CARPORT AREA THAT WAS THERE.
OKAY, SO IT'S EXACTLY MIMICKING YES MA'AM.
AND THE POSITION OF WHERE IT'S AT? YES MA'AM.
SO THEN WHAT ABOUT, UM, ON DONALDSON NEXT DOOR? 'CAUSE THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT DOOR THEY HAVE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE NEXT DOOR AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN APARTMENT.
IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE TO ME, BUT I, THERE'S SEVERAL UNITS THERE.
BUT THERE'S A BUILDING LIKE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
I MEAN OF COURSE THERE'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW YOUR LOT LINE? YEAH.
SO WHAT'S YOUR HEIGHT COMPARED TO WHAT'S EXISTING? ONE MORE TIME.
I DID NOT GO TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MEASURE THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S A TREE RIGHT THERE.
ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE THAT TREE THERE? ARE YOU TALKING THE TREE IN THE FRONT? YEAH.
SO YOUR FOOTPRINT IS KIND OF LIKE THE THREE BAYS WILL BE.
CAN YOU PULL THAT UP AGAIN, EDWARD? THAT KIND OF YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY.
SO THE THREE BAYS WILL MIMIC THE THREE BAYS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE DESIGN? YES MA'AM.
FURTHER QUESTIONS, CLINICIANS, MR. CHAIR? YES, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, GOING TO THE GARAGE APARTMENT, UH, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF YOUR GARAGE DOORS? UM, EIGHT, UH, SEVEN FEET.
BUT YOUR TOP PLATE IS WHAT? UH, EIGHT FEET.
SO THE GARAGES IS PROBABLY ACTUALLY ABOUT SEVEN FEET.
'CAUSE IT'S A FOOT, UH, LEDGER BOARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE RIGHT ABOVE IT.
RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIT THAT IN IF YOU WERE, UM, PLANNING AHEAD AND GIVING YOURSELF SUFFICIENT, UM, HEADER ROOM.
UM, LET'S SEE, AND THEN THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE FIRST TWO GARAGE DOORS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT'S JUST A, LIKE A STUD POCKET.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THE DIVISION, WHICH, WHICH PART MA'AM? BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND GARAGE DOOR.
CURRENTLY WHAT'S THERE AS WELL? THERE'S JUST, JUST A ONE BY THAT SEPARATES THAT, UM, UM, GARAGE DOOR FROM THE NEXT ONE.
AND SUFFICIENT ROOM FOR YOUR TRACKS AND YES MA'AM.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, EARLY ON IN THE PACKAGE WE SEE, LET ME GO TO IT.
THE FINDINGS, WE HAVE A FINDING FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE, WHICH HAS BEEN DAMAGED.
UM, AND WE SEE A COST ANALYSIS
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NOTING THAT THE CONS RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT TWO 85,000.TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION, ARE WE LOOKING FOR A RECONSTRUCTION OF WHAT'S THERE OR FOR WHAT'S THERE PLUS THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT? WELL, IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE PLUS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING IT TO CODE.
SO CONSIDERING THE INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD CAPTURE THIS, WE FIND THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND A LOSS OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
SO THE, MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND THAT IS, IF YOU WERE TO MERELY RECONSTRUCT THE GARAGE AS IT IS NOW, WHAT IS THAT COST? WHAT WE SEE NOW IS THE COST PLUS THE SECOND FLOOR PLUS ALL THE REINFORCING AND BRINGING IT UP TO CODE.
WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE? JUST FOR RECONSTRUCTING THE GARAGE IN ITS HISTORIC FORM? YEAH, IT'S IN THERE.
UM, SO THERE'S A TOTAL COST OF, THAT'S, THAT'S CONSTRUCTING ALL.
AND THEN THERE'S, AND THEN HERE IS THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ONE STORY.
THAT TO GO AHEAD AND LIFT IT AND RECONSTRUCT WHAT'S EXACTLY THERE OR TEAR DOWN AND CONSTRUCT WHAT'S EXACTLY THERE.
DECONSTRUCT AND BUILD ALL NEW, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE COST FOR BUILDING? OKAY, BUT THAT'S DECONSTRUCTING IT AND BUILDING THE NEW TWO STORY GARAGE APARTMENT, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
THE OTHER PRICE, THEY'RE BOTH 2 26, THEY'RE, OH, NO, NO, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GARAGE LIFT.
THE 2 26, THAT'S THE ONE TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE AND COMPLETELY BUILD BRAND NEW AGAIN.
IN YOUR UPDATED DRAWINGS, YOU'VE UH, YOU SAY YOU'VE REDUCED THE HEIGHT, OVERALL HEIGHT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL? UM, EDWARD 23.
UM, WELL, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY, UH, SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
THIS IS SUBORDINATE BY LITTLE OVER A FOOT.
UM, WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY, HAVE YOU EXPLORED OTHER WAYS TO, UH, LOWER THE RIDGE SUCH AS AT THE PERIMETER PLATE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, HAVING THAT AT SEVEN FEET AND THEN HAVING A, IF YOU NEEDED THE HEIGHT IN THE, IN THE ROOM, HAVING A CATHEDRAL CEILING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.
THAT WAS, OTHER THAN HAVING AN EIGHT FOOT PLATE MM-HMM.
IF YOU COULD DROP THE PERIMETER PLATE.
IF YOU NEED ANOTHER FOOT, THEN UH, WE CAN DO, DO THAT SEVEN FOOT, UH, PLATE AND THEN JUST VAULT IT UP.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TOP ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE ATTIC.
READY FOR YOUR MOTION? UM, MR. CHAIR, ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
YES, JUST WANNA ASK ONE QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE RECONSTRUCTION ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT, THEN THE 40% DOES NOT APPLY.
UH, SO, UM, NO, IT WOULD STILL APPLY.
I MEAN, THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE REMOVED.
I WILL SAY THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, REFERENCING THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, RECONSTRUCTING THAT SAME FOOTPRINT, UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IN THE CONTEXT IT WAS, UH, CON HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTY, RECONSTRUCTING THAT FOOTPRINT IN ITS FOOTPRINT IN ITSELF WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, STAFF'S PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT CONCERN ABOUT THE LOT COVERAGE AND FOOTPRINT WAS WHEN THERE WAS THE RECONSTRUCTIVE FOOTPRINT IN ADDITION TO THE THREE GARAGE BAY FOOTPRINT.
THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND NEEDED TO BE REDUCED.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, AND I'LL GO TO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, SORRY.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE WITH THIS FOOTPRINT, SORRY, THIS FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT BEING THE ONLY PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, UH, THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
STAFF FINDS THIS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND RESPONSIVE TO THE GUIDELINES.
UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THE APPLICANT'S UPDATED DOCUMENTS DO RESPOND TO STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, WE THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY, AS, UH, MANY OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED, SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO FURTHER RELATE THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION ARCHITECTURALLY AND MASSING WISE OR TO RESPOND TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE.
UH, BUT WE DO FIND THIS TO BE RESPONSIVE.
UH, WE THINK THAT BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL APPROVAL THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME
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THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO TO FURTHER, UH, ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS AND THE GUIDELINES.OKAY, SIR, SO THIS MR THIS IS FINAL.
OH, WELL, IN THAT CASE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT CONTI COULD, COULD CONTINUE TO ADDRESS.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, WE'LL WAIT FOR A MOTION AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS, THEN STAFF CAN ADDRESS THOSE.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, MR. CHAIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REVISED, UM, UM, DESIGN PLAN SET WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS TO INCLUDE INVESTIGATING THE APPLICABILITY OF A SEVEN FOOT PLATE HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, IN, IN CONCERT WITH A, A CATHEDRAL-LIKE CEILING AND END OF END OF MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? IF THERE'S NO SECOND, I'D LIKE TO, UH, DO ANOTHER MOTION.
I'M SHOULD WAIT JUST A SECOND MORE JUST IN CASE SOMEONE CATCHES A HAIL MARY PASS.
I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO SEE THOSE CHANGES.
SO I MOVE TO APPROVAL ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ADD THE STIPULATION OF THE PLATE, BUT IT KIND OF FALLS UNDER THE, THE STIPULATION OF THE HEIGHT.
RIGHT? SO I THINK IF YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WAS IN THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THE SEVEN FOOT PLATE HEIGHT.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE WINDOW PLACEMENTS.
UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THERE.
I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN JUST APPROVE AND HAVE SOME BUNCH OF STIPULATIONS AND THEN HAVE, THERE'S SOME STUFF ON THE WINDOWS, I GUESS LIKE KIND OF WHAT STAFF SAID THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, OF TWEAKS HERE AND THERE SO WE CAN GET TO A FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION, CAN WE GO TO THE ELEVATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE HOUSE AS WELL? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY OF PLACING THOSE WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION, KIND OF LIKE HOW THEY'RE PLACED IN THE HOUSE.
WE TEND TO ASK LIKE CENTER THEM MORE OR MOVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OFF THE, THE CORNER WALL.
AND I KNOW IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE INSIDE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE THE WINDOWS PLACING AND KIND OF PLAYING WITH THE HOUSE.
I THINK THAT THIS DESIGN, THIS DRAWING IS MAYBE THROWING US OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY BIG, BUT AS I CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS REALLY TUCKED IN THE BACK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING A, A HUGE TWO STORY.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THE PLATE HEIGHT WOULD WORK AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY ON THE HEIGHT.
AND I WOULD JUST, UH, LOOK AT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S FACING THE ALLEY, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN ALLEY THAT'S IN USE.
IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY STILL VISIBLE FROM CANMAN A LITTLE BIT AS YOU COULD SEE.
SO, UM, I THINK THE, THE WINDOW THERE IS, IS FINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN PUT SOME ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, EVEN IF IT'S FAKE WINDOWS IN THE GARAGE.
I MEAN GARAGE IS, GARAGE IS NOW NOWADAYS HAVE WINDOWS.
SO I THINK, I THINK WORKING SOME OF THE, ADDING SOME OF THE WINDOWS WE CAN GET TO FINAL, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GARAGE DOOR MATERIAL WAS IN THE STIPULATIONS OR WERE YOU OKAY WITH THAT STAFF? SHOULD THAT BE ADDED? UH, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND ARE EITHER WOOD DOORS OR DOORS.
THEY COULD BE METAL THAT FEATURE A PROFILE OR THAT ARE DETAILED AS WOOD.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST VINYL, UH, IN A SIMILAR MANNER THAT WE WOULD REC AGAINST, RECOMMEND AGAINST A VINYL WINDOW OR A VINYL DOOR.
UH, SO, UM, THOSE ARE ALL THE DETAILS THAT A METAL DOOR WOULD BE FINE AS LONG AS IT WAS PROPORTIONED, UH, AND DETAILED GENERALLY CONSISTENTLY WITH WHAT AN, AN ORIGINAL DOOR WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WELL, IN IN, WE HAD MADE THE MOTION, I WAS HOPING TO GET INTO DISCUSSION WHERE SOME LIGHT ADJUSTMENTS MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE MADE.
UH, I JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD QUESTION.
THE IDEA OF SUBORDINATE MEANING ALWAYS MEANING SHORTER 'CAUSE PERSPECTIVE HAS A WAY OF CREATING, CREATING THAT AS WELL.
UH, THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S IN FRONT IS
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A HUMBLE HEIGHT BUILDING MATCHING IT IS, UM, UH, SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, UH, BECAUSE THEN WE END UP WITH, WITH APPLICANTS CHANGING ROOF PITCHES IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING SUBORDINATE, UH, WHEN REALLY THE ROOF PITCHES SHOULD MATCH.UM, AND IF THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST BUILDING IS, IS EIGHT FEET PLATE AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS EIGHT FOOT PLATE AND EVERYTHING SHOULD ADD UP.
SO I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WE WE'RE COMPLICATING THINGS, UH, QUITE A BIT.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A, AN APARTMENT ABOVE A GARAGE.
IT'S SUBORDINATE TO THE HOUSE 'CAUSE IT'S BEHIND.
IF WE USE THE TERM GENERALLY, UH, IT'S SIMPLE AND IT'S A, IT'S A GARAGE, UH, WHATEVER WE CALL AN A DU OR A GRANNY FLAT.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO, TO, UH, THE STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR, AND THEIR, THEIR STIPULATIONS.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO, TO ADD AND HOPEFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU COME BACK IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO MATCH YOUR ROOF PITCHES.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE THE TWO BUILDINGS ALWAYS LOOK ALIEN.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PITCH, THE OTHER ONE SHOULD MATCH IT.
SO WHATEVER IT IS YOU DO TO ADJUST, DO IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF YOU TRY TO USE THE SAME PITCH.
AND IF IT ENDS UP SOMEWHERE THERE, COME AND ARGUE WITH US ABOUT IT.
AND THEN THE, OR YOUR WINDOWS, BECAUSE I IMAGINE THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS ARE CLOSE TO THE EDGES 'CAUSE YOU WERE ACCOMMODATING THE DRIVE PORT, THE, THE STAIRS.
NOW IF YOU, WELL, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO EITHER MAKE THE WINDOWS SMALLER MM-HMM,
OTHERWISE, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK.
UM, I DON'T WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE, THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE MM-HMM.
BUT I DO WANNA SUGGEST THAT YOU, UM, BRING IN YOUR NEXT PACKAGE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
NOW THAT THE TOPIC HAS MOVED TO THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE A DU AS IT RELATES IN RESPONSE TO THE HOUSE.
UM, INCLUDE, I MEAN THE, THE ELEVATIONS ARE GREAT, THE DRAWN ELEVATIONS, BUT BRING SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
BRING PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW ALL FOUR FACES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND ALSO TAKE A FEW FROM THE STREET, FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS, DIFFERENT ANGLES, NOT JUST HEAD ON, BUT OFF TO THE SIDE AND PERHAPS OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU GET A PEEK OF THE BACKYARD.
I, UM, LOOK AT WHAT SUBORDINATE MEANS IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE.
UM, NOT ONLY THE HEIGHT, BUT ALSO MATERIALITY AND THE DISTANCE AND WHAT WE DO SEE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO COME BACK, EVEN THOUGH WE DID MEET THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS PLUS THE SEVEN FOOT PLATE PLUS MOVING OF THE WINDOW PLUS NO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING.
SO YES, YOU WILL BE VACCINATED.
SO THIS IS MOVED TO CONCEPTUAL.
AND THE PHOTOS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO BASICALLY JUST COME BACK WITH WHAT I HAVE.
JUST MOVE THOSE THINGS, RIGHT.
OKAY, MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE MORE MODEL, SIR.
THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK.
UM, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO JUST FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT.
SO I WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AT THE TABLE AND, AND THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHY IT'S HERE AND NOT THERE.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST COME UP WITH A, A BETTER SIMPLE PROJECT HERE.
SO IT, IT IS JUST A LONG WAY OF SAYING TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT TIME.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 99 7 3 4 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY FOUR SQUARE FOOT ACRYLIC AND ALUMINUM BLADE SIGN WITH AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET.
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RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY FOUR FOOT SQUARE BLADE SIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL COLOR AND LIGHTING SYSTEM AND CONFORMANCE WITH GUIDELINES.AS NOTED IN FINDINGS C THROUGH E UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR APPLICANT, JAVIER, HERE WITH US TODAY.
I'M NOT, I, YOU CAN, UM, PRESS THAT BUTTON ONCE.
MY NAME IS JOAQUIN ARCH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING AT 7 34 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS.
I'M NOT SURE IF JAVIER IS HERE.
HE DID DO THE APPLICATION FOR US.
UH, WE GAVE HIM A RENDERING THAT WE HAD, UH, RECEIVED ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.
UM, AND I BROUGHT SOME PHOTOS OF OTHER BLADE SIGNS THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND ON NEW BRAUNFELS AND COMMERCE STREET AND ONE IN ST.
PAUL SQUARE, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS A GUESS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
UM, NOT SURE ABOUT THE THE WIDTH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE DESIGNED WAS BASED ON STRUCTURALLY WHAT THE BUILDING COULD POSSIBLY HANDLE AND TO TRY TO KEEP COST AFFORDABLE.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT, UM, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH.
UM, WE ARE, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A GRANT FROM THE CITY, WHICH IS A MATCHING GRANT, AND THIS ONE COMPANY IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF HAD THE BUDGET TO FIT WHAT WE, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS COLOR, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO RECOMMENDATIONS.
I BROUGHT THE, THE TENANT THAT WE HAVE THAT OCCUPIES THAT SPACE, UM, HERE, MR. BRIAN JEFFRIES, AND I GUESS HE COULD SPEAK TO IT TOO.
THESE ARE NOT THE COLORS OF HIS COMPANY SIGN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PINK AND, UM, BLACK.
SO WE WANT TO GO WITH SOMETHING MORE NEUTRAL, SOMETHING TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT A SIGN IS NEEDED FOR VISIBILITY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA, WHICH IS THE CORNER OF BURNETT IN NEW BRAUNFELS.
PEOPLE PASS BY ALL THE TIME AND DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THEM AND HELP THEM INCREASE AND GROW THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE WE NEED THEM TO STAY.
UM, WE'VE, WE WERE, THIS STREET WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO YEARS, SO IT WAS VERY HARD TO HAVE A TENANT THERE.
THEY ACTUALLY MOVED IN WHILE CONSTRUCTION WAS STILL GOING ON WITH THE PROMISE THAT IT WAS GONNA BE DONE IN FOUR MONTHS.
AND THEY'VE BEEN GONE OUT OF CONSTRUCTION FOR ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS NOW AND THEY'RE BACK TEARING UP THE SIDEWALK AGAIN.
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS.
AND I'LL LET MR. BRYAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU HAVING A BUSINESS IN THIS CLIMATE, ESPECIALLY A RESTAURANT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN THERE, WE'VE OWNED THE BUILDING FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS.
UH, WE RESTORED IT FROM ITS ORIGINAL, UM, USED TO BE A GROCERY STORE AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF REVIVE THAT BUILDING.
I ACTUALLY DEEMED IT HISTORIC WHEN I FOUND OUT THE, THE HISTORY BEHIND IT, NOT KNOWING THE HURDLES THAT IT WILL COME WITH, UH, LATER DOWN THE LINE, UM, AS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS ON THE OST, WHICH STEMS FROM FLORIDA TO CALIFORNIA.
SO WE'VE DID A GREAT JOB OF PRESERVING ITS ORIGINAL INTEGRITY.
UM, AND SO WE'RE JUST HEARING SUPPORT AND OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, UM, WITH THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR A SIGN AND THEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OTHER SIGNS THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE THIS IN THE AREA.
IN, FOR STAFF IN, IN THE SIMPLEST LANGUAGE, WHAT DOES THE SIGN NEED TO DO TO CONFORM? UM, THE POLYCARBONATE OR ACRYLIC FACE DOESN'T CONFORM WITH GUIDELINES, SO ALUMINUM OR WOOD METAL, SOMETHING MORE IN KEEPING, UM, WITH THOSE MATERIALS.
ADDITIONALLY THE BLACK LETTERING ON WHITE BACKGROUND DOES NOT CONFORM.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A DARK BACKGROUND WITH LIGHT LETTERING, UM, AND INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINETS, UH, ALSO DO NOT CONFORM WITH GUIDELINES.
SO IT COULD BE MOUNTED LETTERS THAT ARE REVERSE LIT.
UM, THERE'S CREATIVITY THAT COULD BE EXPLORED THERE OR LIT FROM A LIGHT YES.
AND OR IMAGINING YOU'RE SHOWING ME THIS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
YEAH, THOSE ARE SOME THAT I ACTUALLY JUST DID A RIDE AROUND
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AND SAW SIGNS THAT WERE ON BUILDINGS THAT I FIGURED WERE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC IN NATURE.THEY MAY NOT BE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
PAUL SQUARE, UH, WHICH IS A BLADE SIGN, THOSE ARE, UH, I BELIEVE, UM, BACKLIT LETTERS.
SO THE LIGHTING, UH, FOR THAT WOULD CONFORM TO THE, UM, GUIDELINES.
WELL, I, SO, SO, SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS FAR OFF, UM, THE SIZE CONFORMS? CERTAINLY.
IT'S JUST THOSE THREE ITEMS THAT DO NOT MATERIALITY, LIGHTING AND THE LEGIBILITY, UM, BLACK ON WHITE.
NOW IS, IS THIS A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IF HE WORKED WITH STAFF, Y'ALL COULD GUIDE HIM IN THAT DIRECTION WITHOUT IT HAVING TO COME BACK TO US? YES.
THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE CLEANEST OPTION.
AND I'M, AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY MET A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN SHE WAS PUTTING OUT THE SIGN.
UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN ALL THE WAY AROUND.
WELL THEN I'LL, UM, BASED ON THAT, I'LL DO A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY.
NO, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA WORK WITH THOSE THREE ITEMS AND YES.
WITH STAFF AND THEN YOU CAN WORK IT OUT.
BUT THE SIGN ITSELF IS APPROVED.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
I WANT TO ASK WHAT JAY'S EATERY SERVES SOUL FOOD ALL THE WAY AROUND.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL GO SEE YOU.
UM, ITEM 10 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
THERE'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN