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ON FIVE DECEMBER, 2024, THE SAN ANTONIO BIDDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL BECOME TO ORDER.
I'M THE CHAIR OF TODAY'S MEETING.
UH, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE ERIC BURNS AND LUCINDA ROSCO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
INTERIM DEPUTY DIRECTOR DANNY EZ.
CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR JENNY RAMIREZ, CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER.
JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TWO.
ESTHER ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST ONE.
PLEASE SIGN AT YOUR CELL PHONES OR ANY DEVICE THAT MAY DISRUPT THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDER OF THE CHAIR.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING ANY AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE PERSONS TO BE HEARD SHEET OR ADVISE A CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF MEMBER.
ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL BE CALLED FORWARD WHEN THEIR RESPECTIVE CASE IS REACHED.
PLEASE NOTICE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT IN THIS BUILDING TO SOLICIT OR PEDAL SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
AS PER CITY CODE SECTION 16 DASH 2 36.
THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROVIDES TRANSLATION SERVICES, UH, FOR THIS HEARING.
IF WE COULD, LET'S HAVE THE TRANSLATION.
[ Approval of Minutes ]
IN OCTOBER, WE HAD A FULL BOARD MEETING, UH, AND WE'VE RECEIVED DRAFT MINUTES OF THAT BOARD MEETING.CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THOSE MINUTES.
MR. CHAIR, THIS IS FRED ANDIS.
I MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING ARE THE MINUTES AS IS FOR OCTOBER 10TH, 2024.
THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED FOR OCTOBER THE 10TH, 2024.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ROBERT TOY? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR 10.
THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, WE HAD, UH, FROM A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ON 20 NOVEMBER A UH, MINUTES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, CHAIR TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THOSE MINUTES.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE DRAFT MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER THE 20TH, 24.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? KAYLA MIRANDA? SECOND.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK, UH, KAYLA MIRANDA FOR HAILING THE CHAIRMANSHIP FOR THAT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE.
I THINK YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH KADA FOR DOING THAT.
UH, IF WE COULD, LET'S HAVE STAFF REPORT.
WE DO NEED TO, TO APPROVE THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
STAFF REPORT PLEASE.MY NAME IS JENNY RAMIREZ, CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I WOULD COUPLE THE ITEMS TO READ INTO THE RECORD THIS MORNING.
UH, FIRST ITEM TO NOTE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, LISTED AS A DANGEROUS PREMISE, 2054 WEST MULBERRY.
WE ARE PULLING THAT ITEM TODAY.
IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED FOR, UH, FURTHER ACTION.
NEXT ITEM IS A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT.
IS THAT THE RIGHT ORDER? OKAY, KEEPING ME ON TRACK HERE.
NEXT ITEM IS, UM, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 3 5, PAMELA THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, THE OWNER HAS AGREED TO VOLUNTARILY ALLOW THE CITY TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 59, SECTION FIVE.
NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
THIS WAS SIGNED INTO THE RECORD ON, UH, NOVEMBER THE 14TH OF 2024.
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STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1117 SOUTH HAMILTON STREET WAS DEMOLISHED, UH, LET'S SEE, DUE TO AN EXTENSIVE FIRE, WHICH OCCURRED ON NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH OF 2024, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER FIVE TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75.NO FURTHER ACTIONS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, AND IT WAS, UM, DEMOLISHED ON NOVEMBER THE 15TH OF 2024.
AND THIS WAS THE MAIN STRUCTURE LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
THE STRUCTURE WAS DEMOLISHED ON NOVEMBER THE 22ND OF 2024 DUE TO FIRE THAT OCCURRED ON NOVEMBER THE 14TH OF 2024.
UM, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
AND THERE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS AS WELL.
THAT DOES COMPLETE MY REPORT THIS MORNING.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ADJOURN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE TIME IS 9:09 AM THE TIME IS NOW 9 25 ON FIVE DECEMBER, 2024.
AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL NOW RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ACTUALLY, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S, LET'S LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT SAVITA HAS JOINED.
UH, AND THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE, DANNY, IT'S UP TO YOU TO KEEP US STRAIGHT.
AND BEFORE YOU BEGIN, LET ME AGAIN SAY TO, TO KAYLA FOR THE OUTSTANDING JOB THAT SHE DID AT CHAIRING THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
BOARD MEMBERS, UH, DANNY LEE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I'M GONNA GO OVER, UH, THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, REVIEW, UM, AMENDMENTS OR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS RATHER.
AND SO IF WE COULD START WITH SLIDE NUMBER ONE HERE.
UM, SO WE HAVE ABOUT 33 SLIDES TO GO THROUGH.
UM, DON'T TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG ON YOUR WORKING DOC ON YOUR SPREADSHEET, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SEE THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE SORTED BY APPROVAL, APPROVAL, MODIFICATIONS AND DENIALS.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW, UH, ANY SEQUENTIAL ORDER OR, OR THE WORKING DOCS.
SO, UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE TAILWIND, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANY ITEM YOU WANNA LOOK AT AS A WHOLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO EXCUSE ME.
DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP? OR DO YOU WANT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO, I I MEAN, I CAN STOP AT ANY POINT IF YOU WANNA, UH, ASK QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY OR YOU WANNA TABLE 'EM TO THE VERY END.
THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, YOU DO NOT NEED THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION, JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION.
IF WE HAVE CONFLICTING QUESTIONS, THEN THE CHAIR WILL GET INVOLVED.
SO GO RIGHT AHEAD WITH IT AND WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS ON THE WAY.
SO, UH, DO SERVICE STARTED LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE BACK IN, UM, SEPTEMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO, IN PREPARATION FOR THE, UH, UPCOMING CODE ADOPTION, WHICH WE DO EVERY THREE YEARS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, ALONG WITH S-A-P-M-C, UH, ENSURES HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE FOR ALL RESIDENTS IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, THIS APPLIES TO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES.
UM, AND PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE LOOK AT TOGETHER AS A WHOLE IS, UH, YOU GUYS, AS A BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD GETS TO, UH, REVIEW AND PROPOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, THAT IS CODIFIED IN BOTH CHAPTER SIX AND 10.
UH, SO ALONG WITH NOT ONLY REVIEWING, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPEALS OR ABATEMENTS OR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION IN REGARDS TO LIKE, LET'S SAY, RECOMMENDING REPAIR, DEMOLITION ON A, UM, A PROPERTY, ONE OF YOUR LARGER TASKS OR GREATER TASK IS ALSO TO REVIEW THE CODE EVERY THREE YEARS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UH, THAT'S JUST A KEY POINT, WANNA HIGHLIGHT TO, UM, THE PUBLIC IN CASE THERE'S NOT AWARE OF WHAT EXACTLY TASK THE FULL BOARD DOES AS A WHOLE, UH, EVERY THREE YEARS.
SO, AGAIN, UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY MY FAVORITE SLIDE HERE,
WE HAD TWO SUBSTITUTES, UH, AS WELL AS MENTIONED EARLIER, CALEB MIRANDA
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DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF CHAIRING, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE.UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT, WE ALSO HAD TWO NON BSB MEMBERS, UH, CLAY, UH, THOMPSON AND JASON VASQUEZ, WHO UNFORTUNATELY AREN'T PRESENT TODAY.
BUT AGAIN, A SHOUT OUT TO THEM FOR SITTING THROUGH, UH, THESE MEETINGS WITH US AND, UM, REVIEWING THE CODE AND PROPOSING OR COMMENDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE S-A-P-M-C.
SO, THE CODE APPLICATION PROCESS, OR RATHER, THE, UM, THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE APPLICATION PROCESS STARTED IN SEPTEMBER, UH, 13TH, AND IT CLOSED ON OCTOBER 13TH.
AT THAT TIME, WE HAD RECEIVED THREE, UM, EXTERNAL, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, UH, POST ARREST THREE, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE CONSIDERATION.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, TWO OF THE RESIDENTS, JASON AND THOMAS WERE, UH, JASON AND CLAY RATHER, THE TWO THAT WERE SELECTED BY THE FULL BOARD.
AND WE HAD ONE STAFF MEMBER, UH, WHO WE DECIDED EARLY ON WAS, UH, PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL, UH, TIMELINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
UM, KUDOS AGAIN TO YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE LAST CODE CYCLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE PROBABLY EIGHT MEETINGS PRIOR PROCESS AND UNDER, WELL, UNDER 12 HOURS AND FIVE MEETINGS, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS REALLY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND JUST REALLY TACKLED IT.
YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST KICKOFF MEETING, UH, WAS OCTOBER 23RD.
UH, AND THEREAFTER WE HAD FOUR MEETINGS, AS YOU SEE THERE, THE 30TH, THE EIGHTH, 13TH, AND THE 20TH.
UH, EACH MEETING WAS AN AVERAGE ABOUT TWO HOURS LONG, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOVEMBER THE EIGHTH, WHICH WAS FOUR HOURS.
WELL, LITTLE UNDER FOUR, LIKE THREE, THREE AND A HALF HOURS, RIGHT? GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, A TOTAL OF LESS THAN 12 HOURS, FIVE MEETINGS.
UM, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, RIGHT? SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PRIOR TO, UH, BEGINNING THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE DID HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC, UH, ABOUT THE UPCOMING CODE ADOPTION PROCESS.
ONE WAS IN VIRTUE AND ONE WAS IN PERSON.
OKAY? SO TOTAL WE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UM, 59 OF THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WERE, UH, ICC TECHNICAL CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UH, 50 OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS CAME FROM, UH, DSD STAFF, AND 26 OF THOSE WERE EXTERNAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME, UH, FROM THE SAN ANTONIO DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
UH, ALL THOSE WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND REVIEWED.
AND, UM, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE ULTIMATELY DECIDED ON APPROVING 24, UH, MOVING FORWARD, 24 OF THE SUB, UH, RATHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UH, WE ACCEPTED SIX WITH SOME MODIFICATION, MEANING THAT THE LANGUAGE MAY HAVE STAYED THE SAME AND WE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED MAYBE SOME, UH, PORTION OF IT.
NEVERTHELESS, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT KIND OF STILL STAYED THE SAME WITH THE INTENT.
UH, 68 WERE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
AND TWO WERE JUST GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN, UH, IN THOSE TWO ITEMS. SO HERE'S A BREAKDOWN AS YOU LOOK AT EACH, UM, CHAPTER IN THE S-A-P-M-C.
UH, MORE THAN HALF, ABOUT 56%, IF YOU WILL, WERE IN CHAPTER ONE.
UM, THAT WAS UNIQUE THIS YEAR IN A SENSE THAT WHAT IPMC DID WAS THEY TOOK SOME SECTIONS AND MAYBE KIND OF SUBDIVIDED, IF YOU WILL, CERTAIN SECTIONS AND MADE LITTLE SMALLER BULLETS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BULK OF IT WAS IN THE ADMINISTRATION IN SCOPE SECTION, CHAPTER ONE.
UM, NINE ITEMS WERE IN DEFINITIONS IN CHAPTER TWO, UH, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY, EXCUSE ME, UH, CHAPTER THREE, THERE WAS 19 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CONSIDER FOLLOWED BY 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN, UH, WHICH WERE THE REMAINING, UH, 16 ITEMS THAT WE LOOKED AT AS A WHOLE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S AS YOU SEE, AND IT'S, IT'S COMMON, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, WE DID LAST TIME AS WELL.
LAST TIME THERE WAS A MAJORITY.
SO AS WE SEE, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER ONE DOES HAVE A LOT OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT CHANGES.
UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM HERE SHORTLY.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH THE APPROVED AMENDMENTS.
THESE ARE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE REVIEWED CONSIDERED FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE 2024 S-A-P-M-C.
AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE EASY TO FOLLOW ALONG 'CAUSE I, I MEAN, THE FONT'S A LITTLE SMALL, BUT I JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT JUST QUICKLY SOME KEY POINTS HERE.
SO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM WE LOOKED AT WERE MAINLY TECHNICAL CHANGES THAT WERE, UH, PROPOSED IN THE IPMC.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN CHAPTERS, UM, SECTIONS 1 0 2 0.4 AND 1 0 2 0.6, UH, THESE WERE, UH, TECHNICAL CHANGES AND WE ADOPTED, AS WRITTEN AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LANGUAGE IS VERY MINIMAL.
AND JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE IPMC, WE ADOPTED THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN.
UH, THERE WASN'T ONE ENTIRELY NEW SECTION THAT WE ADDED TO OUR S-A-P-M-C, WHICH IS FOLLOWED BY, RIGHT THERE AS 1 0 3 0.4, WHICH FALLS UNDER LIABILITY, UH, AND SUMMARY THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT AS A CODE OFFICIAL, AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR DUTIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, IN THE EVENT, THERE'S, UM, SOME
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KIND OF LITIGATION YOU'RE REPRESENTED BY.UM, YOU HAVE SOME LEGAL REPRESENTATION BEHIND YOU, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF ALREADY BEEN, UM, ONE OF OUR NORMAL PRACTICES, BUT, UH, IT HELPED CODIFY IT.
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A NEW SECTION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE IPMC.
UH, UM, AND THEREFORE WE ADDED IT TO OUR S-A-P-M-C AS WELL FOR CONSIDERATION.
THE ADDITIONAL, UH, LANGUAGE WE JUST SUGGESTED CHANGING ALSO TOO, IS, UH, DOWN BELOW, YOU SEE IN THE VERY BOTTOM AT 1 0 4 0.6 DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
JUST TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, WE CHANGED IT FROM DEPARTMENT TO OFFICIAL, JUST SO YOU CAN READ OFFICIAL RECORDS.
VERY SIMPLE CHANGE OFFICIAL
THAT'S WHAT IT REFERENCES TO THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN CURRENTLY IS IS DEPARTMENT RECORD OR DEPARTMENT, YEAH, DEPARTMENT RECORD.
WE JUST MADE AN OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT'D BE CONSISTENT WITH THE IPMC.
NOW, THESE NEXT TWO SECTIONS, UM, 1 0 7 0.2 FORM, UH, THESE WERE EXTERNAL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UM, THESE WERE SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
UH, IT, IT REALLY FURTHER CLARIFIES OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS, AND IT KIND OF CLEARLY DEFINES, UM, WHEN WE WRITE A NOTICE TO A RESIDENT OR A TENANT OR A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE MOVING FORWARD IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND ADOPTED, UM, VERY SPECIFICALLY THE DWELLING UNIT AND THE, UH, BUILDING, RIGHT? UM, WHICH WE ALREADY DO CURRENTLY, BUT HOWEVER, IT JUST CODIFIES THAT PROCESS.
UH, TODAY IF, IF WE ACCEPT AS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, IT FURTHER CLARIFIES THAT WE HAVE TO BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE ON OUR VIOLATION NOTICES, RIGHT? SO IN THE EVENT YOU DO GET A NOTICE, WE HAVE TO CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CURE WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD.
SO AGAIN, IT CODIFIES THAT PROCESS FOR US MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN, UM, THOSE WERE ALL THE AMENDMENTS, IF YOU WILL, FOR CHAPTER ONE AND CHAPTER TWO, THERE WERE SOME PROPOSED DEFINITIONS.
UH, A NUMBER OF THESE DEFINITIONS, UM, WERE, UM, EITHER FROM THE IPMC ITSELF, FOR EXAMPLE, AVERAGE APPROVED AGENCY AND SAFETY COVER.
UH, THERE WERE TWO THAT WERE SUBMITTED FROM, UM, INTERNAL FROM STAFF, WHICH IS FOUNDATION WALL AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS.
UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE DEFINITIONS THAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND CONSIDERED.
AND, UH, AS YOU SEE THERE, UM, ALL THE ITEMS IN BLUE OR WOULD BE NEW SECTIONS ADDED TO THEIR GENERAL DEFINITION SECTION.
DANNY, CAN I BACK YOU UP JUST FOR A SECOND? YES, SIR.
BACK ON 1 0 7 0.2, THE SECOND, UM, UH, PROPOSE A CHANGE THERE.
THE WAY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY WORDY AND A DETAILED DESCRIPTION, I THINK WE SHOULD GET RID OF DETAILED AND JUST SAY A DESCRIPTION OF THE VIOLATION.
I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS THERE BY INCLUDING DETAILED, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT OBSERVATION AND REQUEST ALSO.
SO A LOT OF THIS TOO, IT, IT GETS AFFECTED IN THE TRANSLATION TO ANOTHER LANGUAGE, AND IT MIGHT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO A DETAIL VERSUS A MORE GENERAL APPROACH.
I AM JUST AFRAID THAT WE, WE DON'T DEFINE WHAT DETAIL IS, AND I THINK THAT COULD GET US INTO A LOT OF HOT WATER, UH, BETWEEN THOSE THAT RECEIVING THE VIOLATION.
AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET, TAKE THAT OUT.
DANNY, IF I MAY, CAN WE HAVE LEGAL EX, UH, ADVICE ON THAT ONE? WHY IT WAS PUT IN THERE AS SUCH? WELL, REMEMBER DURING THE, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING, WE TOOK IN, UM, UH, OF COURSE THE COMMENTERS, UH, COMMENTS.
AND BASED ON THE COMMENTER'S COMMENTS, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THE, THE, THE CHANGE.
BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE, THE WORDING OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED DURING THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WORDING.
BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT AS ANOTHER POINT TOO, THAT THIS IS A, MAYBE BECAUSE THIS IS QUAD JUDICIAL MAY HAVE A LEGAL, HAS TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
SO I'M ASKING, UH, IF THERE ISN'T NECESSARY TO REMOVE IT OR NOT.
UH, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF YOU ADD, UH, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT JUST WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO ARGUMENTS AS TO WHAT IS THE MEANING OF
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DETAILED AND HOW SPECIFIC DOES DETAILED REQUIRE.SO, UH, TAKING OUT DETAILED WILL NOT IMPACT THAT PROVISION.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, WOULD THAT BE A NOTE STATING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO TABLE THAT AND APPROVE IT AFTER IT'S REDONE? UH, WE, WE WILL APPROVE IT IN THIS MEETING AND THEN IT'LL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT HAVING DETAILED IN THERE IS HELPFUL.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DESCRIPTION OF A VIOLATION, SO IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL NOT TO JUST HAVE, IT'S A PLUMBING ISSUE, BUT THERE'S A PIPE THAT'S FIRST, OR MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDERGROUND OR IT'S IN THE HOUSE, OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR IF THE OWNER'S NOT THERE WHEN THE VIOLATION HAPPENS AND THEY CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
IT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE DETAILED VERSE, NON DETAILED? WHAT DOES IT DO FOR YOUR TEAM? I, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY CHANGES A WHOLE LOT FROM AN OPERATION.
UH, WE TRY TO BE AS DESCRIPTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
NOW, MIND YOU, WE DO HAVE LIMITED SPACE, WHETHER IT'S ON A CITATION OR A NOTICE TO INCLUDE THE TEXT, RIGHT? BUT WE TRY TO, TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AS OBVIOUS, RIGHT? LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A WATER LEAK.
WE'LL, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL THERE'S A, A PLUMBING FIXTURE IN YOUR BATHROOM THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, RIGHT? OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TRASHING DEBRIS IN THE BACKYARD THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
SO WE TRY TO INCLUDE ALL THAT ALREADY IN OUR NOTICES.
BUT AGAIN, THE DETAILED, AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, MR. SOLI, UM, COULD BE SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LEAVING IT UP TO INTERPRETATION, I GUESS, AT THAT POINT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND EXTERNAL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWED IT, ACCEPT IT AS WRITTEN.
BUT AGAIN, THE SUB BSB CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION OR A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO REMOVE IT OR INCLUDE IT, OR KEEP AS THIS, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
A SUGGESTION I HAVE, UH, TOWARDS, UH, KAYLA'S CONCERN, AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN THAT'S COME UP IN THE PAST, IS THAT, UH, NOT PUT DETAILED, NOT CODIFIED DETAILED, BUT, UM, DANNY, IF, UH, DANNY AND JENNY, IF Y'ALL WOULD PUT IT IN POLICY AND PRACTICE AND IN TRAINING FOR THE CODE OFFICERS TO PROVIDE, SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE WHICH PLUMBING FIXTURE, WHERE WAS IT LOCATED? UM, SO THAT WOULD, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE TRAINING AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
WE, WE DID RECENTLY HAVE A CASE, THOUGH, COME UP WHERE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY DID ASK, IN FACT, WAS DEMANDING SPECIFIC DETAIL ON WHY, UH, THE CODE OFFICER WAS IDENTIFYING IT AS AN ISSUE.
SO THE MORE DETAIL YOU CAN GIVE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE EASIER IT IS FOR THEM TO, UH, IDEALLY ATTACK THAT SPECIFIC PROBLEM, RATHER THAN ATTACKING A PROBLEM WITHOUT GENERIC OR WITHOUT SPECIFIC DEFINITION.
SO THE SPECIFIC DEFINITION MAKES IT REAL, REALLY EASY FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR MAKE CORRECTIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THAT IF YOU DO PUT RATHER DETAILED, UH, DESCRIPTION, UH, THEN THE OWNER, UH, WILL HOLD YOU TO THAT.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE, UM, INSPECTOR, UH, WAS BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BROAD, TRYING NOT TO BE BROAD BRUSHED, BUT THE, THERE'S SERIOUS, UH, PROBLEMS AND THEY DON'T COVER IT ALL WITH THE DESCRIPTION, THEN I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD SAY THAT, NO, NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO CITE ME FOR ANOTHER VIOLATION, AND WE JUST DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT BACK AND FORTH.
THAT, THAT ISSUE DOES OCCUR OR HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST ALSO.
BUT AS A PROPERTY OWNER, FOR ME, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, IF YOU TELL ME SOMETHING IS WRONG, I'M GOING TO TAKE ACTION TO CORRECT IT.
UH, AND IF YOU FIND SOMETHING WRONG LATER ON, WHICH BY THE WAY, HAS HAPPENED WITH A WATER HEATER INSTALLATION, UH, THEN I GET TO GO BACK AND MAKE, ACTUALLY I DID NOT GO BACK.
THE CONTRACTOR GOT TO GO BACK AND MAKE THAT SECONDARY, UH, CORRECTION.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IF YOU, IF YOU EXPERIENCE IT, THEN IT'S, UH, NECESSARY.
IF YOU'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT, IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY HAVING EXPERIENCED IT.
UH, THE MORE DETAIL YOU CAN GIVE ME, THE BETTER OFF I AM PERSONALLY.
UH, YOU HAD A COMMENT ALSO, JUST A FINAL COMMENT, JUST A FINAL COMMENT, UH, UM, IS PART OF OUR, OUR STATEMENT
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INITIALLY AT, AT, AT EVERY MEETING, NUMBER ONE, PROVIDE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS, DISCUSS A DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK.THE TERM DETAILED IS KIND OF, IT JUST PUTS THE ONUS ON EVERYBODY TO MAKE, DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO FIX IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JOEL, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU STILL WANT TO, YOU'D PUT THAT IN A MOTION, OR DO YOU WANNA WITHDRAW? DON'T LEMME PUT IT IN A MOTION.
GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOTION, PLEASE.
I MOVE THAT PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR 1 0 7 0.2, UH, CLAUSE THREE, THAT WE STRIKE THE WORD DETAILED.
THE MOTION IS, UH, ON 1 0 7 0.2 TO STRIKE THE WORD DETAILED, UH, DESCRIPTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? MRS. THOMAS FRANKS.
I SECOND THOUGHT WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER? ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION FILLS WITH A VOTE OF THREE TO SEVEN.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY OTHER POINT THAT DANNY HAS ON THE SCREEN AT THE PRESENT TIME? IT'S BACK TO YOU, SIR.
THE LAST ITEM BELOW IS GONNA BE 3 0 1 0.2.
AS YOU SEE, IT'S SOME, THE LANGUAGE IN BLUE IS SOME LANGUAGE WE ADOPTED FROM THE IPMC AS WELL AS A TECHNICAL CHANGE, AND WE ADOPTED AS WRITTEN.
UH, THE NEXT SECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A NEW SECTION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING ADDING AS WELL.
UH, IT'S A SECTION THAT'S GONNA BE AN APPENDIX THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD TOWARDS THE, UM, THE TAIL END OF THE S-A-P-M-C.
IT'S BOARDING STANDARDS FOR, UH, AN OCCUPIED BUILDINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE A PRACTICE ON HOW TO SECURE OUR VACANT STRUCTURES, BUT IT'S JUST KIND, AGAIN, CODIFIED MIRRORING THE IPMC, UH, OUTLINING THE STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO THE SPECS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SECURE IN VACANT STRUCTURES.
UH, AGAIN, THIS, THE NEXT SECTION BELOW IS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT.
UH, WE REMOVE THE LANGUAGE AND FENCES FROM ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, AND SO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES NOW WILL ONLY READ, INCLUDING DETACHED GARAGES SHALL BE MAINTAINED STRUCTURALLY IN A GOOD REPAIR.
FENCES ARE DEALT ALREADY IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE IP WHERE HAVE THE S-A-P-M-C.
UH, THEREFORE IT'S REMOVED FROM THIS SECTION HERE.
WHY DID YOU REMOVE FENCES? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
UM, FENCES THEMSELVES ARE ALREADY, UH, THERE'S ALREADY A SECTION, ANOTHER SECTION OF THE S-A-P-M-C THAT ADDRESSES FENCES AND THE, AND THE MAIN, LIKE BASICALLY, UH, THE STANDARDS FOR MAINTAINING FENCES.
THE NEXT SECTION IS 3 0 3 0.2.
UH, THESE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE IPMC AS WELL.
UM, THAT OUTLINE, UH, IN REGARDS TO POOLS AND SPAS, UH, WE ACCEPTED THE LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN, UH, THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS BELOW.
UM, WELL RATHER THE NEXT SECTION AND THE SECTION AFTER THAT.
ON PRIVACY, THEY'RE JUST FORMATTING.
THESE ARE SECTIONS THAT, UH, DURING OUR LAST CODE CYCLE, UM, IT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FORMATTING, MOVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE S RIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS REAL SIMPLE.
UH, AGAIN, PROPOSAL, UH, AND THEN THE LEFT SECTION, RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S A NEW SECTION, UH, THAT WAS ADDED TO THE IPMC AS WELL.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADOPT THE LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN IN REGARDS TO ONE TWO FILING DWELLINGS, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CEILING HEIGHTS FROM BATHROOM FOR EXCEPTIONS.
THE NEXT ITEM, AGAIN, IS MENTIONED.
IT'S A REFORMATTING, JUST MAKING SURE WE REMOVE THE SPACE BETWEEN OCCUPANTS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UH, THE FOLLOWING ONE AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT THAT CAME IN FROM STAFF.
WE JUST WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT.
UH, THIS SECTION OF ELECTRICAL SYSTEM HAS, IT ALSO APPLIES TO FIRST RESPONDERS, SO WE MADE SURE WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE AS WELL.
UH, THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS DO A CHAPTER SEVEN IN GENERAL, WHICH READS, UH, THE LANGUAGE WE'RE ADDING HERE IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE THAT WAS ADDED TO THE IPMC, BASICALLY STRIKING OUT INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND REPLACING WITH CODE UNDER WHICH THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED.
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THAT INCLUDES THE, AS FAR AS ALL THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED, WITHOUT MODIFICATIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SET OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? JOEL, GO AHEAD.DANNY, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY LIKED THAT YOU'VE, UH, MARKED UP THE S-A-P-M-C, UH, THE CODE.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY YOU DIDN'T DO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AS WELL THERE FOR THOSE ADDITIONS.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME RENUMBERING INVOLVED.
YEAH, NO, CERTAINLY THE NEVER, NEVER NUMBERING ALL THAT STUFF COMES AT THE TAILWIND, RIGHT? SO THAT'S MORE FORMATTING WHEN WE GET TO, UH, PUSHING THROUGH THE FINAL PRODUCT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
UH, THAT'LL BE CLEANED UP FOR, FOR COUNSEL THEN.
THE, THE NUMBERING THE TABLE CONTENTS, ALL THAT WOULD CHANGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, NEXT SECTION.
SO THE NEXT ITEM OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED WITH MODIFICATIONS, AS I MENTIONED, THESE MAY HAVE BEEN EITHER TECHNICAL CHANGES THAT WERE SUBMITTED, OR EXTERNAL MEMO THAT WERE SUBMITTED THAT, UM, THERE WAS SLIGHT MODIFICATION IN THE LANGUAGE, UM, BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THE FIRST ITEM WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE IN REGARDS TO SECTION 1 0 4 0.5.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TAIL END OF, WE JUST REALLY CHANGED THE SECTION IN ACCORDANCE TO SECTION 1 0 6, I BELIEVE THE IPMC READ 1 0 7, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT TO LINE UP WITH OUR S-A-P-M-C.
UH, WE MODIFIED THE LANGUAGE READ 1 0 6.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION FOLLOWING IS 1 0 7 0.1.
NOTICE TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBLE.
UH, THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAD SOME LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, SUBSEQUENT NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
UM, AND PROPOSED AMENDMENT HERE WOULD BE CODIFYING OR RATHER AMENDING THE, UH, EXISTING LANGUAGE FROM A TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY TO FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
UH, THIS WOULD CHANGE THE, UH, THE WAY WE DEAL WITH, UH, NOTICE OF VIOLATION IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT NOTICE IS APPLICABLE RIGHT ITSELF.
AND SO, UH, AND IT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE STATUTE AS WELL.
UH, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM AND, AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT YES, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH STATE LAW, BY ALL MEANS.
ALRIGHT, THIS ROBERT TOPIC, YEAH, BY ALL MEANS, I THAT WAS GOOD.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GOOD CALL, I THINK.
THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, 1 0 8 0.1 0.3.
UH, WE'RE CHANGING, I GUESS THE WORD INSANITARY TO READ UNSANITARY.
UM, THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT WE'LL BE ADDING AC C RIGHT BELOW AS WELL.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE, PROPOSED LANGUAGE ITSELF WAS CHANGED FROM, UM, INSANITARY TO INSANITARY, AND WE ALSO ADDED TO FIRST RESPONDERS IN THIS SECTION AS WELL.
UH, RIGHT BELOW THAT, YOU'LL SEE A GENERAL DEFINITION.
AS I MENTIONED, UNSANITARY, UH, CLEARLY DEFINES WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER UNSANITARY IN REGARDS TO AN INSPECTION.
WE GO OUT AND LOOK AT A LOCATION.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED A DEFINITION AS WELL, WHICH WAS A TECHNICAL CHANGE TO THE IPMC IN REGARDS TO POWER SAFETY COVERS.
AND THE LAST, UH, APPROVAL MODIFICATION IS GONNA BE WITH SECTION, UH, 4 0 4 0.6 EFFICIENCY UNITS.
UH, WE'RE CHANGING THE MINIMUM CLEAR F UH, THE MINIMUM CLEAR FLOOR AREA FOR EFFICIENCIES.
UH, IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE, UM, FLOOR AREA.
IT CHANGES FROM TWO 20 TO ONE 90 AND FROM THREE 20 TO TWO 60, WHICH AGAIN, LINES UP WITH THE, UH, IPMC.
UM, UH, SO IT'S A TECHNICAL CHANGE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, AS YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THOSE THAT WERE APPROVED WITH MODIFICATIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
UM, THESE FEW THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT HERE, THESE WERE ALL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, WHETHER EXTERNAL AGAIN, OR IICC, UH, TECHNICAL CHANGES THAT, UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
UM, AND SO STARTING WITH THE FIRST ONE, UM, IN SECTION 1 0 1 0.2, UM, IT'S A TECHNICAL CHANGE THAT WAS INCLUDED OR THAT WAS ADDED TO THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UH, AS YOU SEE IN THE LANGUAGE THERE, WE DECIDED, OR RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE INTO THE 2024 IPMC OR RATHER S-A-P-M-C.
UM, THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS, AGAIN, UH, THE IPMC PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD STRIKE OUT THOSE, THAT LANGUAGE IN RED.
UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND NOT ADOPT OR NOT ACCEPT THE TECHNICAL CHANGE.
UH, UNDER THE S-A-P-M-C, THE PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE, TWO, PROBABLY NEXT SIX SECTIONS HERE.
UH, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALL IN BLUE.
THESE WERE ALL NEW SECTIONS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE 2024 IPMC.
UM, THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHERE, UH,
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THEY, THEY STRUCK OUT SOME SECTIONS, BUT MAYBE JUST KIND OF FURTHER SUBDIVIDED ANOTHER SECTION, UM, INTO SMALLER BULLETS.UH, DURING OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION, UM, THAT, UM, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ICC DOES THAT TYPE OF, UH, FORMATTING, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN MAYBE NEXT CODE CYCLE, THEY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORMATTING.
SO I THINK WE SAID THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY TABLE THIS MODIFICATION OR THIS FORMATTING AT THIS POINT, BUT MAYBE NEXT CODE CYCLE IF IT STAYS IN THERE, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, REFORMATTING OUR S-A-P-M-C TO MIRROR THE IPMC, UM, A LITTLE MORE, UM, THESE CHANGES OR THESE NEW SECTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT EXISTS IN REST AT PMC THAT WOULD ADDRESS THIS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF, AGAIN, JUST A MATTER OF FORMATTING.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOSING ANYTHING BY NOT ADOPTING THESE SECTIONS.
UH, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, JUST FORMATTING, OKAY, IT'S ROBERT AND CAN I SEE THAT SHEET AGAIN? AND IT'S LIKE AUTHORIZATION THAT'S LIKE KEY.
THE CODE OFFICIAL IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED.
YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO, SO SECTION RIGHT ABOVE IS, YOU, YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SAYS SHALL, RIGHT? SO IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CODE OFFICIAL MAY ALREADY CONDUCT OR RECOMMEND THOSE TYPE OF OR PERFORM TYPE OF INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHAT THEY DID WITH THE IPMC, WAS THEY STRUCK OUT THE SECTION ABOVE INSPECTIONS MM-HMM
AND REPLACED IT WITH DETERMINATION OF COMPLIANCE.
RIGHT? SO, UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS TODAY AND THE S-A-P-M-C REALLY ALLOWS THE CODE OFFICIAL TO, UH, PERFORM INSPECTIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND WITH AUTHORIZATION.
SO, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THESE SECTIONS THAT FOLLOW, I WON'T READ THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AS YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, BUT THERE ARE, UH, NEW SECTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED THROUGH THE IPMC.
UH, AS I, AS I MENTIONED, THESE SECTIONS ALREADY EXIST IN SOME WAY OR FASHION IN THE S-A-P-M-C.
UM, AND IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND NOT ADOPT THE 2024, UH, IPMC TECHNICAL CHANGES.
LET'S PAUSE JUST A SECOND, DANNY, AND LET THEM GO BACK THE YEAH, YEAH, NO, DEFINITELY THE REST OF THE BOARD.
IF WE COULD PLEASE ANY QUESTIONS? WE GOOD? OKAY.
GEORGE, NAN GOT A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT ALL? YES.
THE NEXT SECTION, UH, 1 0 4 0.3, RIGHT OF ENTRY.
AGAIN, THERE WAS A, UH, IPMC TECHNICAL CHANGE.
UM, AS YOU SEEN IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE ON THE FAR RIGHT, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AS IS, AS KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND NOT ADOPT THE 2024 IPMC TECHNICAL LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO RIGHT OF ENTRY.
AS YOU SEE, THE NEXT SECTIONS THERE ARE, UM, ARE RELATED TO, UM, RIGHT OF ENTRY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION? NONE.
LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE NEXT, PLEASE.
THE NEXT SECTION HERE WE LOOKED AT IS 1 0 4 0.6 DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, UH, NEW SECTIONS THAT WERE, UM, IN THE 2024.
UH, IT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND DID NOT ADOPT THE, UM, 2024, UH, IPMC TECHNICAL CHANGES.
AND IT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THESE SECTIONS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED SOMEWHERE.
WHAT FASHION IN THE, UM, CURRENT S-A-P-M-C? UM, IT JUST, AGAIN, THE WAY THESE REFORMATTED, THE IPMC, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A NEW SECTION, UM, UNDER THE IPMC.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE.
SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS TWO MORE SECTIONS THAT WERE, UH, WELL RATHER.
ONE SECTION WAS A TECHNICAL CHANGE AND ONE WAS A, UM, EXTERNAL AMENDMENT.
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ACCEPTED OR APPROVED THE TECHNICAL CHANGE.UH, IN BOTH CASES, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND MAKE NO CHANGES TO 1 0 5 0.1 MODIFICATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
NEXT SECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 1 0 2 0.10 5.2.
UH, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, THE SECTIONS AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WERE ALL, UM, NEW SECTIONS, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE IPMC TECHNICAL CHANGES.
UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT STRIKE OUT THE LANGUAGE IN RED AND DO NOT ADOPT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE LANGUAGE FOR THE IPMC AND WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN FOR SECTION 1 0 5 0.2.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE.
MOVING ALONG AGAIN, STILL, UH, WITH 1 0 5 0.2.
UH, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, METHODS AND CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, AS YOU SEE, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE SECTIONS WERE JUST SUBDIVIDED INTO SMALLER OR, UH, WE'RE DIVIDING SUBSECTIONS.
UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE SAME FORMATTING AND MAKE NO CHANGES TO THE S-A-P-M-C AND KEEP IT AS WRITTEN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE.
UH, THE NEXT FIVE SECTIONS HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL.
UH, THESE WERE, UM, 2024 IPMC TECHNICAL CHANGES.
UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND NOT ADOPT THE, UM, TECHNICAL CHANGES AS WRITTEN, UH, AS, AGAIN, THE SECTIONS AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND THESE ARE ALL SOMEWHAT RELATED, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA SEE VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE IN EACH OF THESE TEST METHODS.
TESTING, UH, MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT.
IT'S ALREADY IN OUR S-A-P-M-C TODAY, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ADOPT THESE CHANGES AND KEEP AS S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE.
UM, I THINK ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS SLIDE HERE, IT SHOULD MOVE A LITTLE EASIER.
I THINK THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS SECTION RELATED TO, UH, THE SAME TESTING STANDARDS, RIGHT? EVALUATION REPORTS, OTHER REPORTS, PEER REVIEW, UH, AND LIABILITY OF OWNER, WHICH WAS A DUE SECTION OR NEW, A PROPOSED AMENDMENT RATHER.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION NOT TO, UH, ACCEPT THE 2024 TECHNICAL CHANGES.
KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE SECTION RIGHT BELOW THE VERY, ONE LAST ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT 1 0 6 0.7, UH, THAT WAS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE EXTERNAL PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C HAD RIDDEN, UH, WITHOUT LIABILITY OF OWNERS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT SECTION, PLEASE.
THE NEXT SECTION, UH, 1 0 7 METHOD OF SERVICE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD SOME LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON AS WELL IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE METHOD OF SERVICE.
UM, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO STRIKE OUT, IF YOU WILL, DELIVERED PERSONALLY, UM, IN REGARDS TO NOTICES OF VIOLATION.
UH, IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT
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AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN, UM, AND FOLLOWED BY THE SECTION RIGHT BELOW IT AS WELL.WHERE, UM, SAME THING AGAIN, JUST IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE DELIVERY METHOD OF SERVICE FOR NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE SAPM CS WRITTEN AND DID NOT ACCEPT, OR, UM, RATHER DENY THE, WE RATHER WE DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, IN THIS CASE HERE.
ANY DISCUSSION? NEXT SESSION, PLEASE.
THE, UH, NEXT, UH, THREE SECTIONS HERE WERE, UH, AGAIN, EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
BY THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, UH, REASONABLE TIME TO CURE REQUEST, ADDITIONAL TIME TO CURE.
UM, AND IN REGARDS TO, WELL, ALL RELATED TO REASONABLE TIME TO CURE, THESE WERE ALL EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UH, BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THESE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS AND TO KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS TWO DEFINITIONS, TWO NEW DEFINITIONS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE IPMC, UH, PEER REVIEW AND STORM SHELTER.
UH, IT IS THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE 2024, UH, TECHNICAL CHANGES OR RATHER NEW DEFINITIONS.
AND WE KEEP THE SAPM CS WRITTEN, UH, WITHOUT THESE DEFINITIONS, JUST SIMPLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT REFERENCED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE, UH, IN THE S-A-P-M-C.
UM, AGAIN, THE NEXT SECTION HERE IS A, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR, UM, SECTIONS 3 0 1 0.2.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, A SECTION THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT, UM, THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN, UM, FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS, 3 0 2 0.8 MOTOR VEHICLES, AND 3 0 4 0.18.
BUILDING, UH, SECURITY AGAIN, UH, MOTOR VEHICLES ARE CURRENTLY ADDRESSED UNDER CHAPTER 19 OF THE CITY CODE.
AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO BUILDING SECURITY, WHILE THERE WAS A, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THERE WAS NO SUGGESTED LANGUAGE ADDED OR INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UH, WHILE WE HAD A DISCUSSION AMONG SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, WE RECOMMENDED THAT WE JUST KEEP THE SAPM CS WRITTEN WITHOUT ANY, UM, LANGUAGE BEING ADDED TO THIS SECTION.
ROBERT TAPI, UH, THE, THE CALL OUT INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, DO WE NOT MAYBE NEED TO ADD, UH, A YEAR? ARE YOU REFERRING TO 3 0 1 0.2? YES.
IT'S A SECTION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING NOW, WE WE'RE ASKING TO KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
ARE YOU REFERENCING MAYBE THE 1, 2, 3, 4 FIFTH LINE WHERE IT SAYS, WITH THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE INTERNATIONAL, WE CORRECT.
WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE CHANGE, UH, AND THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN S-A-P-M-C DOES NOT REFERENCE, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE.
QUESTION, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS NEXT, PLEASE.
SO THE NEXT SECTION, UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL TECHNICAL CHANGES IN THE IPMC.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S RECOMMENDING THAT THE STRIKEOUT WAS IN RED AND SIMPLY MAKES, I GUESS, FURTHER SUB BULLETS, IF YOU WILL.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT REFORMAT THIS SECTION AND LY KEEP IT AS WRITTEN.
UM, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE TECHNICAL CHANGES AND KEEP S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN FOR, UM, THESE FOLLOWING SECTIONS HERE.
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QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NEXT, PLEASE.SO THE NEXT SECTION, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 3 0 9 0.1 INFESTATION.
UM, THERE WAS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT SUBMITTED TO STRIKE OUT STRUCTURES AND REPLACED WITH PREMISES.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME HEALTHY CONVERSATION, UH, IN REGARDS TO THIS, UH, EXTERNAL AMENDMENT.
UM, IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE EXTERNAL AMENDMENT AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
SO BY NOT SAYING, SO WE'RE SAYING PREMISES, OKAY, OR WE'RE KEEPING STRUCTURE, WE'RE KEEPING STRUCTURE, BUT THAT MEANS THAT THE GROUND AROUND IT COULD BE FULL OF RATS, BUT AS LONG AS THE STRUCTURES IS, HAS NO RATS IN IT, IT'S OKAY.
THEN WE SHOULD, UH, DO THE ENTIRE PREMISE, UH, AND NOT JUST THE, UH, STRUCTURE.
DANNY, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? THE, THE DEFINITION THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT STRUCTURE INCLUDES THE ENTIRE, ENTIRE PROPERTY.
I KNEW I HAD IT BACKWARDS YET.
SO, UM, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS, AND I LOST THE VOTE, WAS TO HAVE STRUCTURE AND GET RID OF PREMISES BECAUSE THE PREMISES IS JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO YOU COULD HAVE RODENTS OR INFESTATION OUT ON YOUR YARD AND IT NOT BE AGAINST S-A-P-M-C.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT SAYS CURRENT, THAT IS THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, IT SAYS STRUCTURES, UH, WHAT WE AGREED UPON WAS TO DENY THE PREMISES, BECAUSE PREMISES IS TOO BROAD OF A TERM.
SO IF YOU OWN A 10 ACRE PROPERTY, ARE YOU EXPECTED TO PROVIDE PEST CONTROL FOR YOUR ENTIRE 10 ACRES OF PROPERTY? OR IF YOU'RE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE, DISTRICT FIVE VERY OLD HOUSING STOCK.
EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS, YOU CAN SEE THE RATS RUNNING UP THE STREET.
ARE WE THEN EXPECTED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, THE RATS COMING UP FROM THE SEWER? BECAUSE WHILE IT'S RAINING, THEY'RE ON OUR PROPERTY, THAT IT LEAVES, IT LEAVES IT OPEN TO WAY TOO MUCH INTERPRETATION VERSUS THE ACTUAL STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES, UH, STRUCTURES, UM, BEING PEST FREE.
AND THEN MY THING WAS IS AT MY HOUSE, I CAN HAVE FLEAS OUT IN MY YARD THAT INFECTS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THE DOGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND BECAUSE OF THE S-P-S-A-P-M-C, I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT IN MY HOUSE, DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
SO THAT'S THE FLIP SIDE OF IT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS I HAD A HAD WITH IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS CONSERVATION AND YOU HAVE 10 ACRES, RIGHT? BUT THE CITY'S NOT GOING OUT AND ASKING A 10 ACRE HOMEOWNER TO CLEAR OUT ALL THE BRUSH.
RIGHT? WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SINGLE HOME FAMILIES THAT DO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
WE SEE IT A LOT WITH, WITH RAT INFESTATION THAT INSIDE THE HOUSE THAT COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROPERTY AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR HOME, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
AND I GUESS I, I THINK OF LIKE, I HAVE THESE PHARAOH ANTS OR PARA, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM MARCHING FROM THE NEIGHBOR OVER TO MY YARD, OVER TO MY, I MEAN, NO, THEY DO, THEY HAVE LITTLE LINES AND THEY COME OVER THERE.
SO I HAVE TO PAY TO KEEP THEM OUT OF MY STRUCTURE, MY PREMISES, BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR ISN'T, IT'S WHEN THEY INVITE THE BAND, IT GETS TO BE A PROBLEM BEFORE THE MARCH.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I PRESUME BOTH THE WORD STRUCTURE AND THE WORD PREMISES ARE DEFINED IN THE CODE? YES, SIR.
WHAT ARE THOSE DEFINITIONS? GIMME A SECTION.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH LAST TIME.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT OTHER SECTIONS IN THE CODE 3 0 2 0.5, IT TALKS ABOUT RODENT HARBRIDGE.
SO BASICALLY IT TALKS ABOUT EXTERIOR THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT FREE OF RODENT.
SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RAT AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S
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ALREADY COVERED IN CODE.SO THE EXTERIOR IS COVERED FOR THAT REASON.
NOW, I KNOW I HEARD CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT ANTS MARCHING FROM ONE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER, THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT ASPECT, BUT AT LEAST, UH, ALL THE RODENTS, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE CODE IN ANOTHER SECTION WHERE IT COVERS THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE DEFINITION OF A STRUCTURE SIMPLY READS THAT, WHICH IS BUILT OR CONSTRUCTED, WHEREAS A PREMISES, UM, IT'S A LOT PLOT OR PARCEL OF LAND EASTMAN OR PUBLIC WAY, INCLUDING ANY STRUCTURE THERE ON.
ANY OTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION? UH, JUST TO COMMENT, ROBERT, TALK, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THESE TERMS, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A GLOSSARY OF TERMS FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES AT THE END? NOT AT THE END, CORRECT.
AND STATED AS GLOSSARY OF TERMS YOU REFERRING TO LIKE A TABLE CONTEXT OR AN INDEX? UH, LIKE AN INDEX, BUT A, WELL, WOULDN'T IT, ARE YOU REFERRING TO SAME DEFINITION? THE DEFINITIONS? THE DEFINITIONS ARE IN CHAPTER TWO, RIGHT? BUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN, WHEN MIKE, WE USED TO HAVE THEM AT THE END OF THE BOOK, YOU, LIKE, AT THE END OF THE, FOR QUICK REFERENCE, A GLOSSARY OF TERMS AT THE END OF THE, OF THE, AS OPPOSED TO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, AND HAVING TO LOOK UP WHERE, WHERE'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT WORD? WELL, IF YOU GO INTO TO THE SPECIFIC SECTION, WHICH IS SECTION TWO, I THINK IT DOES LIST ALL OF THE TERMS IN ONE SECTION, UH, AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN THE GLOSSARY.
IT'S IN A SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE S-A-P-M-C.
ARE THEY LISTED ALPHABETICALLY BY ANY CHANCE? YES, THEY ARE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, NEXT PLEASE.
UH, THE NEXT SECTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, THESE ARE NEW TECHNICAL CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE IPMC.
UM, AS YOU SEE THERE IN BLUE REGARDS TO ACCESSIBILITY AND STORM SHELTERS.
UH, IT IS AS RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO ACCEPT THE TECHNICAL CHANGES AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN, UH, FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT SECTION 4 0 4 0.4 HABITABLE ROOM AND BEDROOM REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO STRIKE OUT BEDROOMS FROM THIS SECTION.
UH, WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT DENY THE EXTERNAL AMENDMENT AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL AMENDMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN REGARDS TO OVERCROWDING.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE ADD A TABLE, UH, MINIMUM AREAS REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, OVERCROWDING.
UM, HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND DENY THE EXTERNAL AMENDMENT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
NEXT SECTION 1 0 5 0.4, UH, EMPLOYEE FACILITIES.
THERE WAS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT TO REMOVE OR STRIKE OUT, UM, ONE DRINKING FACILITY.
IT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY EXTERNAL AMENDMENT AND KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN, FOLLOWED BY 1 0 6, 0 1 0.2 RESPONSIBILITIES AND 6 0 4 0.2 SERVICE.
UM, THESE WERE ADDITIONALLY TWO OTHER EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN BLUE.
IT HAS RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS AND TO KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN.
UH, DUCK SYSTEM 6 0 6 AND 6 0 7 ELEVATORS.
UM, 6 0 6 DUCK SYSTEMS WAS A NEW SECTION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE A-S-A-P-M, OR EXCUSE ME, THE IPMC AS A TECHNICAL CHANGE.
UM, WE AGAIN HAD SOME LENGTHY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN REGARDS TO THIS SECTION.
ULTIMATELY, WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN AND NOT TO ACCEPT OR APPROVE, UH, OR INCLUDE THIS SECTION INTO THE S-A-P-M-C, UH, ELEVATORS AS WELL.
UH, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE DO NOT, UM, ACCEPT OR RATHER, UH, APPROVE YOU WILL, UH, THIS, UH, SECTION AND CAN DENY AND KIMS SIMPLY KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN WITHOUT THIS ELEVATOR SECTION.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST SECTION, UH, THAT RES RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL WITH, UM, IN REGARDS TO SMOKE ALARMS. UH, IT WAS AN EXTERNAL AMENDMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO ADD THE LANGUAGE STATE STATUTE.
UH, IT IS THAT RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP THE S-A-P-M-C AS WRITTEN WITHOUT THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UH, QUESTION, DANNY? YES, SIR.
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COVERED IN ANOTHER PART.7 0 3 0.2 WHERE IT ONLY IDENTIFIES SMOKE ALARMS. ARE WE NOT DOING, UM, CARBON MONOXIDE AS WELL? NO, SIR.
CARBON MONOXIDE COVERED IN THE FIRE SECTION? YES, SIR.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NEXT, PLEASE.
THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
UH, THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THESE WERE TWO GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE, UH, SUBMITTED.
UH, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IT JUST FELT WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE 'EM IN THE OVERALL PROPOSALS.
UM, THEY WERE JUST TWO GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN REGARDS TO SWIMMING POOLS, EN CLOSURES.
AGAIN, UM, NO, UH, PROPOSED LANGUAGE OTHER THAN GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
SO NO ACTIONS NEEDED ON THESE HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS? NEXT, PLEASE.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO NEXT STEPS, THERE IS A SECTION THAT WE WANT, UH, OPEN UP TO DISCUSSION WITH THE FULL BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
UH, IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, I CAN HAND OUT SOME PACKETS TO YOU GUYS TO LOOK.
DANNY, BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS NEXT STEP, I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST AN OBSERVATION AS WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO ACTUALLY MADE THE, THE SUBMITTED THE PROPOSED CHANGE.
I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD THING TO HAVE.
UH, THE OTHER IS THAT YOU WERE PROVIDING THE RATIONALE FOR MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE THERE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADD.
IF IN THE NEXT GO AROUND AND WE DO THIS, THAT WE INCLUDE BOTH THE RATIONALE AND WHO PROPOSED THE CHANGE, I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR COUNCIL TO, TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND SEE WHY IT WAS WE WERE TURNING THESE THINGS DOWN.
AND THEY'RE ALL VERY GOOD REASONS.
I THINK IT JUST MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR FOLKS THAT WHEN THEY PICK UP, UH, YOUR SLIDES, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY AND DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES THAT THERE'S NOT THE GOAL ALONG WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
I'LL MAKE SURE WE MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
UH, NEXT CODE CYCLE WILL ADD ANOTHER COLUMN, IF YOU WILL, THAT BASICALLY TO YOUR POINT, EXPLAINS THE REASONING FOR THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
ALL YOUR ANSWERS WERE SPOT ON.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AT ALL.
DO WE NEED A RECESS? YEP, WE DO.
LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
WE, THESE TIME IS NOW 10 31, THE SAN ANTONIO BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD FOR FIVE DECEMBER, 2024.
AND DANNY, WE TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
UH, AGAIN, DANNY LEE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR.
SO BEFORE WE GET ONTO THE NEXT STEPS, THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE, UH, THE S-A-P-M-C THAT WE WANT THE, WE'D LIKE THE FULL BOARD TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER FOR, UH, UH, IN A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, IF YOU WILL.
SO EACH OF YOU SHOULD GOT A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU OF THE 20 15, 20 18, AND 2021 S-A-P-M-C AND THE IPMC.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE THAT I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
UH, AND SO, UM, SO THE SECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT OR CONSIDERATION FOR RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE S-A-P-M-C 4 0 4 0.4 0.1 ROOM AREA.
THE WAY THE CURRENT S-A-P-M-C READS TODAY IS EVERY HABITABLE ROOM SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 70 SQUARE FEET.
AND EVERY BEDROOM OCCUPIED BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON SHALL CONTAIN NO LESS THAN 50 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA OF EACH OCCUPANT THEREOF.
OF COURSE, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION, UH, UNLESS CONSTRUCTED LAWFULLY.
AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THIS SECTION, UM, DURING THE CODE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WE WENT BACK A COUPLE OF CODE CYCLES, UM, AS FAR AS 2015.
AND, UM, STARTING WITH THE FIRST SECTION, UH, THE CODE ITSELF.
SO IN 2015, UM, THE S-A-P-M-C WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE IPMC.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT READ EVERY LIVING ROOM SHALL CONTAIN AT LEAST 20 SQUARE FEET, AND EVERY BEDROOM SHALL CONTAIN AT LEAST 70 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, BLESS YOU, AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE IPMC.
SO IN 2015, OUR S-A-P-M-C AND OUR IPMC, UH, MATCHED, THEY WERE ONE OF THE SAME, RIGHT? UM, DURING THE 2018 CODE CYCLE, UH, WE MADE SOME SLIDE AMENDMENTS TO THIS SECTION.
UM, AND, UH, IT CERTAINLY READS NOW AT THIS POINT, IT READ AT, WELL, FOR 2018, IT READS, UH, EVERY HABITABLE ROOM AND BEDROOM SHALL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AT BELOW.
RIGHT? BUT THEN IT FURTHERMORE GOES, EVERY HABIT OF ROOM SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 70 SQUARE FEET.
SO AT SOME POINT WE CHANGE FROM LIVING ROOM TO HABIT OF ROOM, AND WE DROP THE
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MINIMUM, UM, 124, UH, TWO 20 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT, WHICH, UM, WHICH NOT, WHICH WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE 2020 OR THE 2018 IPMC.UM, UNFORTUNATELY DURING THE 2021 CODE CYCLE, UH, WE DIDN'T PICK IT UP.
WE DIDN'T SEE IT, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AS A SECTION FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO IT STAYED THERE SINCE 2018, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS GOING BACK TO, UM, THE 2021 OR THE 2015 CODE CYCLE WHERE, UM, WELL, LET PUT IT THIS WAY, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TODAY IS WE ADD LANGUAGE THAT WILL SIMPLY READ, UM, EVERY LIVING ROOM SHALL CONTAIN AT LEAST 20 120 SQUARE FEET TO SECTION 4 0 4 0.4 0.1, UM, WHICH WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE 2024 IPMC.
ON, ON, ON THE FIRST, THIS IS FRED ON THE FIRST ONE.
IS THIS 2015, THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT SAYS THAT READS LIVING ROOM? YES, SIR.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE YOU HAVE, THIS WOULD BE 2018.
THE 2018 CHANGE FROM LIVING ROOM TO HABITABLE ROOM.
DANNY, DANNY, LET ME JUST JUMP IN.
UH, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT 20, YOU HAVE TWO PAGES.
THE SECOND PAGE ON THE BOTTOM, IT TELLS YOU WHAT YEAR.
WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT PAGE IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE LAST YES, SIR.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT WE ADOPT, UH, THE SECOND PAGE, WHICH SHOULD BE 4 0 4 0.41 ROOM AREA.
EACH LIVING ROOM SHALL CONTAIN LOT LESS THAN ONE 20, UH, SQUARE FEET.
AND EVERY BEDROOM SHALL CONTAIN LOT LESS THAN 70 SQUARE FEET.
AND EVERY BEDROOM OCCUPIED BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON SHALL CONTAIN NO LESS THAN 50 SQUARE FEET.
A FLOOR AREA FOR EACH OCCUPANT THEREOF IS WHAT YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, FROM THE STAFF IS CONCERNED.
AND THEN I'M GONNA, THIS IS THOMAS FRANKS QUESTION, HOW DOES THIS, UH, QUALIFY WITH TINY HOMES? 'CAUSE TINY HOMES ARE A LOT LESS THAN THIS.
OUR AIRBNBS IN SOME CASES ARE PREFABS TINY HOMES AND PREFABS.
TINY HOMES, MY UNDERSTANDING ARE, ARE REFERENCE IN THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OF PREFABS.
I WOULD ASSUME THE SAME, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO A MEAN IN THIS CASE HERE, IF YOU SPEAK TO FREE PREFABS.
UH, TINY HOMES IS CONSIDERED THE NEW CONCEPT IN THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS NOW.
AND IT IS IN THE IRC INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.
AND IT GIVES YOU ALL THE DESCRIPTIVE MEASURES FOR TINY HOMES.
AND AS LONG AS IT IS DEFINED AS TINY HOME, THEN YOU FOLLOW THAT.
SO JUST VERIFICATION, AT LEAST FOR ME, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF TINY HOMES.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT EXCEPTION, UNLESS CONSTRUCTED LAWFULLY, UM, SINCE THERE'S A SEPARATE SECTION FOR THE TINY HOMES, UM, AS LONG AS THOSE TINY HOMES ARE, ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED LAWFULLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT.
WILL IT BE, WILL IT, THIS IS
WILL IT BE INTRODUCED IN, IN THE CHAPTER AS SUCH OR IS IT GOING TO GO AS LAWFULLY? SO IF IT COMES BEFORE US, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENT, IT'LL BE REFERRED TO AS LAWFULLY WHEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
AND IT'LL, WHEN THE OFFICER, IF A TINY HOME COMES
THE CODE OFFICER SHALL SAY IT MAKES THE EXCEPTION LAWFULLY CONSTRUCTED AND THEN REFER YOU TO THAT PROPER, UH, IRC PROVISION.
AND THE REASON THAT IS A CONCERN BECAUSE SOME OF THE AIRBNBS THAT ARE BEING PUT UP DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE BASICALLY EFFICIENCY APARTMENTS.
THEY HAVE MAYBE A KITCHEN LIVING ROOM, BEDROOM COMBO, AND A SMALL BATHROOM THAT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE E EFFICIENCIES ARE IN THE CODE, RIGHT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE TINY HOMES AND THESE AIRBNBS, SOME OF THEM ARE BEING PUT UP IN THAT FASHION.
THEY, THEY SHOULD STILL, UH, COMPLY WITH 4 0 4 0.6 EFFICIENCIES.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES WE JUST HAD DANNY TALKED ABOUT.
AND WE APPROVED IT BECAUSE THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REDUCED THE SIZE FROM 220 TO 190 SQUARE FOOT.
SO EVEN TINY HOMES WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.
AND THEN IT'S ROBERT TAP AND THEN WE GET INTO A ZONING ISSUE.
DO WE NOT ZONED FOR TINY HOME ZONE FOR YES, BUT THAT, THAT GOES IN LINE WITH WHAT, UH, ERIC MENTIONED EARLIER.
AS LONG AS IT'S LAWFULLY CONSTRUCTED, THEN BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY ZONING NEEDS TO COMPLY.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO COMPLY.
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IT'S ILLEGAL, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ZONING OR BUILDING CODE OR ANYTHING ELSE.WE WILL ADDRESS THAT CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WORDING ON 4 0 4 0.4, WHICH IS THE LAST PAGE, WHICH THE SECOND PAGE OF THE LAST DOCUMENT THEY WILL BE GIVEN.
AND IT READS 4 0 4 0.41 ROOM AREA.
EVERY LIVING ROOM SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 120 SQUARE FEET.
AND EVERY BEDROOM SHALL NOT OR SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 70 SQUARE FEET.
AND EVERY BEDROOM OCCUPIED BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON SHALL CONTAIN NOT LESS THAN 50 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA FOR EACH OCCUPANT THEREOF.
ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC ON THAT PARTICULAR READ? YES.
SO MOVED THAT WE ACCEPT THE, THE WORDING, UH, ON 4 0 4 0.4 0.1 AS THE CHAIR READ.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THOMAS FRANK.
AND LET'S JUST DO A ROLL CALL TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT ALL.
SO ROLL CALL PLEASE FOR THE MOTION.
MOTION CARRIES WITH THE VOTE OF 10 TO ZERO.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU AGAIN.
SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE LOOKING AT ABOVE IS RIGHT HERE.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS SET UP NEXT WEEK, MONDAY AND TUESDAY.
UH, THE MEETING MONDAY, UH, EVENING WILL BE IN PERSON.
IT'D BE HERE AT THE DSD UH, CENTER BOARDROOM.
AND THEN ON THE TUESDAY RATHER, UH, WOULD BE VIRTUAL, UH, A COMMUNITY MEETING.
BOTH THESE MEETINGS ARE JUST TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD TO PCDC, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 13TH, WHICH IS NEXT FRIDAY.
UH, FOLLOWED BY, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW WE GOES.
THE PCDC, IF YOU WILL, UH, PROPOSE TAKING IT TO COUNCIL SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
NO DEFINITIVE DATE JUST SAID YET.
UH, BUT DEFINITELY BY JANUARY WE'D LIKE TO GET IT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
UH, AND THEN BEGIN THE NEXT STEPS AS FAR AS PUBLICATION AND TRAINING WITH STAFF.
SO THIS IS KIND OF PROPOSED TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR NEXT STEPS AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN, UH, TO ACCEPT THE, WELL ACTUALLY CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THE ISSUE IS DO WE RECOMMEND, UH, AND TO PROVE THAT WE MOVE THE AMENDMENTS OR RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS FORWARD TO UH, THE CITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDATION AND TO MOVE IT TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL AS IS MOTION IS TO, UH, APPROVE ALL OF THE CHANGES TO THE SAN ANTONIO PREVENTING MAINTENANCE CODE AND HAVE IT MOVE FORWARD TO THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? TAYLOR? MIRANDA SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? UH, YEAH, I GOT ONE.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES THIS ONE, CORRECT? YES SIR.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT ONE AS WELL.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT TODAY WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE C, CORRECT? YES SIR.
WE'LL UPDATE THE WORKING DOC ALONG WITH THE SPREADSHEET AS WELL AND INCLUDE ALL THAT AND AS THEY SPEAK UP.
SO YES, IT WOULD INCLUDE THIS CHANGE AS WELL.
UH, LET'S DO A, YOU WANT A ROLL CALL OR NOT ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MOTION CARRIES WITH A VOTE OF 10 TO ZERO.
ANY ADD THAT YOU'VE GOT DENNY? NO SIR.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AT LEAST THE APPRECIATION OF THE ENTIRE, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, TO THE, MY APPRECIATION TO THE ENTIRE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR, UH, THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO IT.
AND AGAIN, KAYLA, AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THAT LEADERSHIP ROLE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES? I GOT UM, A UH, COMMENT FOR THE NEXT ONE.
THIS ONE HERE, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT JUST POPPED UP ON US, WHEREAS THE LAST ONE WE HAD, WE HAD MULTIPLE TIME TO ACTUALLY SCREEN MM.
DOWN TO AT LEAST, WHAT WAS IT, 29 AND THEN WE GOT IT DOWN TO FOUR OR EIGHT, WHATEVER IT WAS.
THIS ONE SEEMED LIKE IT KIND OF POPPED UP ON US.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MAYBE A YEAR OUT START GETTING THE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR MORE
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PEOPLE THAT WOULD SUBMIT APPLICATIONS SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO SCREEN AND MAYBE PUT MORE CIVILIANS ON THE BOARD.BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ANYBODY THAT SITS ON THESE BOARD GET A KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE DO BROAD STROKE IT SO THEY UNDERSTAND BEFORE THEY GET HERE? HMM.
INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM SHOW UP AND THEN THEY'RE AMEN.
IS THAT, COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE THAT WE LINE IT UP? SO WHAT, ONCE WE HIT DAY ONE, WE SHOULD BE ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS STUFF, NOT GOING INTO THE FIRST MEETING, TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR.
YEAH, THAT I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT.
IT WOULD JUST HELP IN A LOT OF THE QUESTIONING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ERIC DOES A TREMENDOUS AMAZING JOB AT TRAINING US AND IF HE COULD TRAIN THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL, I THINK IT WOULD HELP A TON.
YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, BUT YOU CAN TRAIN THEM.
TO BE FAIR, IT WAS SAVITA THAT TRAINED ME TO TRAIN YOU.
YOU ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE HERE.
WAIT IS, ISN'T THAT ALMOST 20 HOURS OF TRAINING THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH 20 HOURS? YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO 20 HOURS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO 20 HOURS.
WHATEVER YOU NEED ME DO, I'LL BE HERE.
DO IS BROAD STROKE WHAT THE BOARD HAS AND THAT WAY THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE COMING INTO INSTEAD OF WAITING THAT FIRST MEETING AND THEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT.
I SO I'M, I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU AS LONG AS I, LET ME SAY THIS.
IF WE, IF WE START NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FINE.
UM, IF THE COWBOYS ARE, ARE DOING WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T MISS ANY OF THOSE GAMES.
IF THEY'RE PLAYING AS BADLY AS THEY'RE RIGHT NOW, I'M FREE WHENEVER.
WE ONLY DO THIS OR IN A CYCLE.
UM, BUT I THINK ONCE WE GOT TO THE THIRD POINT, THIRD MEETING, THEY REALLY GRASP THE CONCEPT OF WHAT BSB DOES AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE STARTED MOVING REALLY QUICK.
AND I THINK IF THEY HAD THAT KNOWLEDGE, THAT FIRST MEETING, I THINK FROM THE FIRST THEY WOULD'VE GONE REALLY QUICK AND WE COULD HAVE CUT TWO MEETINGS DOWN.
SO WHAT I'M, SO I'M HEARING IS OPEN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE NON BSB MEMBERS EARLIER AND THEN AT SOME POINT BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD FOR SELECTION AND THEN TRAIN IF YOU WILL, OR CRASH COURSE ON BSB AND THE CODE ADOPTION PROCESS.
IT WOULD BE MORE OF A CRASH COURSE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY, YOU'RE JUST GIVING THEM, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD'S ABOUT.
YOU CAN GIVE THEM THAT BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA VOTE, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE COURSE TO VOTE YES.
THEN THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE LITTLE BIT OF CRASH COURSE AND UNDERSTAND BEFORE THEY GET HERE.
SO WE START RUNNING FROM DAY ONE.
DO WE NOTE IT? WE'LL MAKE AND A GREAT IDEA, SINCE THIS WAS FRED'S IDEA, FRED COULD HELP DO THE TRAINING.
IS THAT LEGALLY DONE? CAN THAT LEGALLY DO BE DONE? THIS THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
'CAUSE IT MAKES IT, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT FRED YELLING AT THEM.
NO, IT IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER AS SOON AS THEY COME IN, THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAN GETTING DAY ONE AND THEY'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING.
THERE WAS A LESSON I LEARNED A LONG, LONG TIME AGO THAT ONCE YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE ACCEPTANCE OF A PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, YOU DON'T ARGUE THE POINT ANYMORE.
THEREFORE, I, I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY COUNSEL, UH, EVEN THOUGH HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD ABOUT DO I WANNA SPEND THAT MUCH TIME? BUT HE WILL DO IT BECAUSE HE AGREED TO DO IT.
IT IS A REAL GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
AND JUST A REMINDER THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, DO THE APPLICATIONS TO JOIN AND THAT THE PUBLIC IS MUCH MORE AWARE.
THIS REALLY WAS KIND OF SPRUNG ON US.
UM, I MEAN WE KNEW IT WAS COMING AT SOME POINT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE LIKE EXACT TIMES AND UH, THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GET REALLY GOT THREE APPLICATIONS JUST SO THAT WE NEEDED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTREACH.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENT AND FEEDBACK.
GEORGE, COULD WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE, THE SCHEDULE FOR UPCOMING MEETINGS? UH, YES WE CAN, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT.
DO YOU HAVE IT THERE OR DO I JUST NEED TO GIVE YOU COPIES? JUDY KME DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? YES, WE CAN PROVIDE COPIES.
THE NEXT UPCOMING MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, DECEMBER 12TH FOR PANEL B.
AND THEN AGAIN JANUARY 23RD, 2025 FOR PANEL B, FEBRUARY 6TH FOR PANEL A FOLLOWED BY FEBRUARY 13TH FOR PANEL B.
AND JUST BECAUSE IF SINCE GEORGE DOESN'T HAVE IT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND EMAIL THE ENTIRE BOARD ON THE 2025 SCHEDULED MEETINGS.
ANY OTHER ISSUES? UH, AND WE DO NEED TO TURN IT OVER TO
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YOU JUDY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE DANNY, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BEFORE THE PRESENTATION.
YEAH, JUDY CRI DEVELOPMENT SERVICES JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE BSB MEMBERSHIP AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH PANEL, UM, B MR. NELSON, CHAIR OF PANEL B AND MR. TAPIA CHAIR OF PANEL A AT THE LAST BILLBOARD HEARING MR. NELSON WAS NOMINATED AS BSB CHAIR AND MR. ANDIS AS BSB VICE CHAIR.
SO IN JANUARY THOSE NEW, UH, TERMS WILL BEGIN WITH THOSE NEW POSITIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU TO MR. GRIMES FOR VOLUNTEERING TO SWITCH OVER TO PANEL B SO THAT MR. NELSON, I'M SORRY.
SO MR. ANDES CAN SWITCH OVER TO PANEL A AND ALSO THANK YOU TO MR. TAPIA FOR SERVING AS A PANEL A CHAIR AND MS. WEINER AS PANEL A VICE CHAIR.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? ANY OTHER ISSUES AT THE NEXT UH, BSB PANEL MEETING NEXT WEEK WE, WE WILL VOTE FOR PANEL B VICE CHAIR AND IN FEBRUARY WE WILL VOTE FOR THE PANEL, A VICE CHAIR AT THE FIRST SCHEDULED MEETING.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM LEGAL OR OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WITHOUT OBJECTION.
WE ARE ADJOURNED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 10:50 AM ON FIVE DECEMBER, 2024.