Sep 09, 2019 Planning and Community Development Committee

ROLL CALLING.

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SOUNDS GOOD.

[Call to Order]

COUNCILWOMAN.

ANDREW SULLIVAN, COUNCILWOMAN VIA GRIND.

COUNCILMAN, COURAGE.

PRESENT.

CHAIR.

CHAIR.

I'M SORRY.

CHAIRWOMAN GONZALEZ.

PRESENT.

ALL RIGHT, CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TODAY? THERE WAS A SHEET GOING AROUND.

OKAY.

UH, DID WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS THAT WISH TO SPEAK TODAY? WE DID HAVE A SHEEP GOING AROUND, BUT IN CASE YOU WE'RE SPEAK ON OUR ITEM COMES UP, YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK.

OKAY.

ITEM UP.

OKAY.

SO, UM, I'LL GET HIS NAME FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO THIS IS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, I THINK, UM, PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

SO WE WILL BEGIN, UH, WITH

[1. 19-6051 Resolution of No Objection for Herman & Kittle Properties, Inc.’s application to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs Non-Competitive 4% Housing Tax Credits program for the construction of The Montage Apartments, a 216 unit affordable multi-family rental housing development, located at FM 78 & Walzem Road in San Antonio’s Extra Territorial Jurisdiction. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]

[2. 19-6405 Resolution of No Objection for Village Capital Corporation and Pedcor Housing Corporation’s application to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs Non-Competitive 4% Housing Tax Credits program for the construction of Northview Apartments, a 164 unit affordable multi-family rental housing development, located at 23132 US-281 North in Council District 9. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]

GOOD AFTERNOON, VERONICA SOTO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES.

THE PRESENTATION I HAVE ACTUALLY COVERS BOTH ITEMS, NUMBER ONE AND TWO.

UM, SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN Y'ALL CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANNA VOTE SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER.

BOTH ARE ITEMS THAT ARE, UH, RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION FOR 4% TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS.

AND AS YOU ARE AWARE, IS THIS WORKING? THERE IT IS.

THANK YOU.

IT'S NOT WORKING.

THANK YOU.

SO AGAIN, THE PRESENTATION IS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO ON YOUR AGENDA.

BOTH ARE RESOLUTIONS, BLESS YOU OF NO OBJECTION.

ONE IS FOR THE MONTAGE APARTMENTS, AND THE NEXT ONE IS FOR NORTHVIEW APARTMENTS.

AGAIN, THESE ARE, UM, ONE OF THE TWO PROGRAMS FOR HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

THESE ARE 4% WHICH ARE NON-COMPETITIVE, AND THEY REQUIRE RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, WE HAVE, UM, AS THE CITY HAVE ISSUED 10 RESOLUTIONS OF OBJECTION OF NO OBJECTION THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

SO THIS, THIS IS THE 11TH AND 12TH THAT ARE SUBMITTED.

AND OF COURSE WE MAP ALL OF THESE AS WELL.

SO THIS JUST TELLS YOU WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY WE HAVE ISSUED RESOLUTIONS FOR.

THE MONTAGE APARTMENT IS BY HERMAN AND KIDDO PROPERTIES.

AND AGAIN, RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FROM COUNSEL IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE, UM, THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND WE'LL HAVE LEASING OFFICE AND A CLUBHOUSE.

IT IS LOCATED IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AT FM 78 AND WAL ROAD 216 UNITS ARE PROPOSED ALL AT 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

THE VALUE OF THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT IS APPROXIMATELY 14.4 MILLION.

TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST 40.8 MILLION.

SHOULD THIS PROCEED AND MOVE FORWARD TO T D H C A CONSTRUCTION WOULD COMMENCE JANUARY OF 2020 AND, UH, FINISH SEPTEMBER OF 2021.

THIS IS THE UNIT MIX THAT SHOWS 216 APARTMENTS, WHAT THE PROJECTED MONTHLY RENTS WOULD BE.

AND AGAIN, ALL ARE PROPOSED AT 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW WITH A MIX OF 1, 2, 3 BEDROOMS. AGAIN, A MAP SHOWING THE E T J.

THE NEXT MAP SHOWS, UH, ITS LOCATION RELATIVE TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.

AFTER THAT, WE HAVE NORTHVIEW APARTMENTS, AGAIN SEEKING THE RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION.

THIS IS A MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION.

THIS IS WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE, UH, OFF OF TWO US 2 81 NORTH.

THIS IS ALSO NEW CONSTRUCTION, 164 UNITS PROPOSED ALL AT 60% A M I OR BELOW.

THE VALUE OF THE TAX CREDIT IS APPROXIMATELY 11 MILLION WITH THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST AT 33.2 MILLION.

SHOULD THIS PROCEED, THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS COMMENCEMENT SEPTEMBER, 2020 AND COMPLETION OF MARCH OF 2022.

HERE'S THE UNIT MIX THAT AGAIN INCLUDES THE BEDROOM SIZES AND THE APPROXIMATE MONTHLY RENTS.

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UH, A M I STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, YOU SAID THIS WAS GONNA, THE NORTH VIEW WAS IN DISTRICT THREE, THIS ONE IS READING DISTRICT NINE, SO YES.

SUPPOSED TO BE NO, I MENTIONED DISTRICT NINE, THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE E T J.

OKAY.

NORTHVIEW SHOULD BE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NINE.

AND THEN THE, UM, MONTAGE IS RIGHT OUTSIDE DISTRICT TWO, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THAT'S IN THE E T J OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AND THEN ON THE, UM, APARTMENT PRICING FOR THE THREE BEDROOM, IT'S ONLY THE 24 ON THE NORTH VIEW AND THE 60 ON THE MONTAGE, CORRECT? FOR THE RENTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM? THE THREE BEDROOM, YES.

OKAY.

AND IS THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE DUE TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR HOW THIS IS BASED ON THE BEDROOM SIZE AND THEY, THE HUD LIMITS SAID ANNUALLY BY HUD WHAT THE MAXIMUMS FOR THOSE AMMI WOULD BE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

NO QUESTIONS.

SO I WOULD MOVE THE APPROVAL OF, UM, NO OBJECTION TO CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE, UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

OKAY.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS EASY.

BRIAN ,

[3. 19-6762 Briefing regarding the deconstruction and salvage initiative and associated draft policy components. [Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Shanon Miller, Director, Office of Historic Preservation]]

SO THAT'S ROD, UH, OR MIKE, OR SHANNON, I'M SORRY.

YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT OUR DECONSTRUCTION INITIATIVE.

UM, IN 2017, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, TREVINO ISSUED A C C R TO REVIEW PENALTIES RELATED TO ILLEGAL DEMOLITIONS AND DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

AND FROM THAT PROCESS, O H P WAS DIRECTED TO LOOK AT DECONSTRUCTION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO DEMOLITION.

AND SO FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO, A LITTLE MORE ACTUALLY, UM, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PUBLIC TO DRAFT A POTENTIAL DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE THAT WOULD APPLY TO BUILDINGS OF A CERTAIN AGE THAT ARE BEING DEMOLISHED.

UM, TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF DECONSTRUCTION IN GENERAL, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO INTRODUCE STEPHANIE PHILLIPS, WHO'S A SENIOR SPECIALIST WITH O H P.

AND SHE'S BEEN MANAGING THIS INITIATIVE AND WORKING WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PUBLIC.

UM, SHE'S INTERESTED IN THE INTERSECTION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND WASTE MANAGEMENT.

AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, SHE WAS ONE OF 18 US PROFESSIONALS THAT, UM, ATTENDED A POCITO IN GERMANY, UM, WHICH WAS A GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM TO FOSTER A NETWORK OF CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS ADDRESSING CHALLENGES RELATED TO SUSTAINABLE WASTE MANAGEMENT.

UM, A BIG FOCUS OF THIS TOUR WAS ON THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY AND ON POLICIES THAT ADVANCE WAYS OF CAPTURING EXISTING MATERIALS BEFORE THEY ENTER INTO THE WASTE STREAM.

STEPHANIE, COME ON UP.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SHANNON.

SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK BRIEFLY TO KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF OUR INITIATIVE THUS FAR, AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER BACK TO SHANNON TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POLICIES AND OUR NEXT STEPS FOR THIS INITIATIVE.

OKAY, SO I'M GONNA START BY DEFINING DECONSTRUCTION IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS INITIATIVE.

SO DECONSTRUCTION IS A, A METHOD OF BUILDING REMOVAL.

UM, IT'S THE SYSTEMATIC DISASSEMBLY OF A STRUCTURE IN THE OPPOSITE ORDER.

IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE SALVAGE AND REUSE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE MATERIALS.

SO IN CONTRAST, TRADITIONAL DEMOLITION, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL MORE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, USES HEAVY MACHINERY TO QUICK, QUICKLY REMOVE A STRUCTURE FROM A SITE AND CLEAR IT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF A VISUAL, UM, WAY OF, UM, SHOWING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE DECONSTRUCTION A BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF DECONSTRUCTION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOF AND THE SIDING, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.

AND A BIG, UH, COMPONENT OF DECONSTRUCTION IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN REMOVED CAREFULLY AND THEY'VE BEEN STACKED ON SITE FOR THE NEXT USE, UM, NEXT USE IN THEIR LIFE.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE, UM, TRADITIONAL DEMOLITION WITH HEAVY MACHINERY, WHICH IS QUICKLY REMOVING A STRUCTURE, AND THERE'S REALLY NO RHYME OR REASON TO HOW THOSE MATERIALS END UP ON THE SITE.

SO, AQUI CLARIFICATION, THIS ISN'T ABOUT IF A BUILDING COMES DOWN, IT'S ABOUT HOW A BUILDING COMES DOWN.

SO THERE ARE ALREADY PROCEDURES IN PLACE FOR DETERMINING IF A BUILDING IS ELIGIBLE FOR REMOVAL FROM A SITE.

THIS INITIATIVE WOULDN'T

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RATHER, IF A BUILDING WAS APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION, THIS WOULD KIND OF, UM, ENTER INTO THAT PROCESS AND DETERMINE WHICH METHOD A BUILDING REMOVAL WOULD APPLY TO THAT STRUCTURE.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF GROUND THIS DISCUSSION AND KIND OF THE OVERALL HISTORY OF BUILDING REMOVAL IN THE UNITED STATES.

UM, SO ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE IS KIND OF A TIME LAPSE OF THE FORMER NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE IN NEW YORK CITY.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, THE BUILDING IS X EXTENT.

AND ON THE SUBSEQUENT PICTURES, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THE BUILDING IS REMOVED FLOOR BY FLOOR, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SCAFFOLDING AROUND THE BUILDING TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS AND STACK THEM FOR REUSE IN ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

SO HISTORICALLY, DEMOLITION WASN'T THE MOST POPULAR WAY TO REMOVE A BUILDING.

UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MACHINERY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT.

SO ACTUALLY IT WAS MORE COMMON TO SEE A BUILDING BEING WRECKED IN THE UNITED STATES PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II AND TO BRING IT HOME TO SAN ANTONIO.

WE HAVE SOME REALLY FUN EXAMPLES OF THAT OCCURRING, UM, HISTORICALLY HERE.

SO THIS IS THE FORMER POST OFFICE BUILDING IN THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE EXISTING POST OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, THIS BUILDING WAS, UH, WRECKED OR DECONSTRUCTED IN 1935.

UM, AND IN THE ARTICLE, IT ACTUALLY MENTIONS HOW UPWARDS OF 200 WORKERS WERE GOING TO BE REMOVING THE BUILDING FROM THE ROOF, CAPTURING ALL OF THE LIMESTONE THAT WAS QUARRIED LOCALLY FOR REUSE IN ANOTHER, UM, SITE.

AND IN 1960, WE HAVE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE COLUMNS FROM THE POST OFFICE BUILDING WERE USED IN THE RESTORATION OF THE SPEAR BUILDING, WHICH IS TWO 15 LA SOYA.

SO THOSE COLUMNS FROM THE ORIGINAL POST OFFICE ARE ACTUALLY FRONTING THE RIVERWALK FACADE OF THAT BUILDING.

AND MORE PROMINENTLY, UM, THE LITTLE FLOWER BASILICA, IT TALKS ABOUT THE POST OFFICE'S LIMESTONE FACADE BEING USED TO GIVE NEW LIFE TO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING.

UM, I ALSO LOVE, IN THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE A HYBRID OF AN ALAMO AND A MISSION CONCEPTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH WASN'T REALIZED, BUT, UM, IT'S KIND OF FUN TO IMAGINE IF THAT WOULD'VE OCCURRED.

AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING.

THIS BUILDING IS ALL ACTUALLY STILL EX EXTENT.

UM, THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF COMMERCE AND SOLEDAD, IT'S THE PAYLESS BUILDING.

SO THE FIRST, THE TOP TWO FLOORS WERE REMOVED DURING WORLD WAR II, LIKELY TO BE USED DURING WAR TIME.

UM, THAT WAS VERY COMMON IN THAT ERA.

AND THEN HERE'S A STRUCTURE, UM, NEAR THE BEXAR COUNTY COURTHOUSE THAT WAS ALSO DECONSTRUCTED ORIGINALLY.

UM, SO AFTER WORLD WAR II, KIND OF THE SALVAGE AND DECONSTRUCTION KIND OF FELL OUT OF FAVOR.

WE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY TO DEMOLISH REALLY QUICKLY.

UM, AND ALSO, UM, KIND OF CULTURALLY THE ACT OF SALVAGING AND BEING VERY CAREFUL WITH MATERIALS, UM, WAS ASSOCIATED KIND OF WITH THE DARK TIMES OF WARTIME.

SO AS WE WERE ABLE TO PROCEED AND, AND KIND OF CLEAR LAND AND BUILD ANEW AFTER THE WAR, UM, THE ACT OF DEMOLISHING AND RAISING AND USING, UM, A WRECKING BALL REALLY BECAME KIND OF SYNONYMOUS WITH PROGRESS IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO THAT'S WHEN IT FELL OUT OF FAVOR TO BRING IT BACK TODAY, TODAY SOME STATISTICS, CONSTRUCTION DEMOLITION WASTE IS, UM, ABOUT 30 TO 40% OF THE NATIONAL WASTE STREAM.

SO THIS IS ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THAT PEOPLE THROW AWAY IN THEIR TRASH BINS.

IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE SOURCE OF WASTE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND DEMOLITION REPRESENTS 90% OF THAT TOTAL FIGURE.

THE OTHER 10% ARE FROM CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION WASTE ON AVERAGE.

UH, 1000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 16 MATURE TREES.

THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF THOSE OLDER LEGACY STRUCTURES KIND OF IN THE CORE OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND A BIG CONSIDERATION IS THAT BUILDINGS WERE, UM, CONSTRUCTED WITH OLD GROWTH LUMBER PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II.

AND HERE'S KIND OF AN IMAGE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLD GROWTH LUMBER AND NEW GROWTH LUMBER.

ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE OLD GROWTH, WHICH IS HARVESTED FROM TREES THAT HAVE GROWN FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RING STRUCTURE IS A LOT TIGHTER, SO IT'S MORE DURABLE.

IT'S ROT RESISTANT, IT'S DECAY RESISTANT, IT'S STRAIGHTER.

UM, SO I KIND OF LIKE TO REFER TO OUR HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO AS URBAN FOREST BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S WITHIN THEM.

AND HERE WE HAVE A FIGURE OF HOW MUCH CAN ACTUALLY BE REUSED FROM THESE STRUCTURES.

THIS IS FROM THE DELTA INSTITUTE, WHICH RESEARCHES, UM, NATIONAL WASTE POLICIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE, THE MATERIALS OF THE STRUCTURE, THE SIZE UP TO 95% OF IT CAN ACTUALLY BE REUSED, RECYCLED, OR UPCYCLED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND IN TERMS OF JOB GENERATION, DECONSTRUCTION HAS A LOT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR CREATING LOCAL JOBS.

ON THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE DEMOLITION.

YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY, ONE PERSON, SOME MACHINES DOING THE WORK, AND THEN JOBS CREATED BY LANDFILLS.

BUT IN CONTRAST WITH DECONSTRUCTION, UM, YOU HAVE MANY PEOPLE TAKING DOWN THE BUILDING MANUALLY.

YOU CAN HAVE WAREHOUSES, JOB WAREHOUSE JOBS WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING THE MATERIALS AND STORING THEM, SELLING THEM, CREATING RETAIL JOBS, VALUE ADDED MANUFACTURING JOBS, LIKE TAKING THAT OLD MATERIAL AND TRANSFORMING IT INTO SOMETHING NEW.

AND OF COURSE,

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AND IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL TIES, SHANNON MENTIONED THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY.

THIS IS A REALLY GREAT QUICK VISUALIZATION, I THINK OF KIND OF OUR CURRENT CONSUMPTION MODEL, WHICH IS A LINEAR ECONOMY, WHICH IS TAKING MATERIALS, USING IT, MANUFACTURING IT, AND THEN TOSSING IT AWAY IN A LANDFILL.

THE CONCEPT OF A CIRCULAR ECONOMY IS TAKING MATERIALS THAT HAVE REACHED THE END OF THEIR PERCEIVED LIFE AND REINTRODUCING THAT INTO THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS.

SO INSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON RAW GOOD GENERATION, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THE MATERIALS FROM AN OLDER BUILDING THAT WAS DECONSTRUCTED, FOR EXAMPLE, AND USING THAT AS FEED IN NEW BUILDINGS OR NEW PRODUCTS.

SO THAT TIES REALLY CLOSELY INTO SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE DRAFT.

UM, CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN.

IT MENTIONS MATERIAL REUSE AND CIRCULARITY AS A REALLY SPECIFIC GOAL.

AND THIS ALSO TIES INTO REDUCED LANDFILL CONSTRUCTION, CLIMATE SENSITIVE DESIGN AND RESILIENCE AND BUILDING CODES AND PROGRAMS. SO WE REALLY SEE THIS INITIATIVE AS TYING VERY DIRECTLY INTO THAT PROCESS.

AND JUST THERE SOME MORE STATISTICS TO RUN THROUGH.

UM, THIS IS A, A LINE GRAPH SHOWING THE UPTICK IN DEMOLITIONS IN SAN ANTONIO SINCE 2000.

AND THEN THIS IS A HEAT MAP, NOT A DOPPLER RADAR MAP OF, UM, DEMOLITIONS IN SAN ANTONIO.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT CONCENTRATION MORE IN OUR URBAN CORE, UM, OVER THE PAST ABOUT 16 YEARS.

AND THIS IS A PHOTO FROM SAN ANTONIO LAST YEAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID RIGHT HERE, UM, IS RECAPTURING THOSE MATERIALS THAT, THAT TYPICALLY ARE LANDFILLED AND ALLOWING THEM TO, TO BE REINTRODUCED INTO THE LIGHT, THE STREAM OF USE OF PRODUCTS.

SO AS SHANNON MENTIONED, FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A DECONSTRUCTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE INSIGHT AND EXPERTISE FROM OUR RELATED FIELDS.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CITY DEPARTMENTS REPRESENTED ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SUSTAINABILITY, SOLID WASTE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND METRO HEALTH, IN ADDITION TO SEVERAL DEMOLITION CONTRACTORS, UM, PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND MORE.

SO THE GOAL OF THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO RECOMMEND DIRECTION AND GOALS FOR POLICY AND ALSO INFORM THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS.

SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN ADVISING US ON WHAT A POLICY WOULD LOOK LIKE IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND THIS IS ONE TANGIBLE OUTCOME FROM THAT COMMITTEE.

UM, THIS KIND OF REPRESENTS REALLY SIX MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT DECONSTRUCTION TOUCHES.

IT'S NOT JUST WASTE REDUCTION, BUT IT'S ALSO SUSTAINABILITY, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION, WORKFORCE AND ECONOMY, GENERATING THOSE LOCAL JOBS, PUBLIC HEALTH AND EQUITY.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE KEY THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE HIT ON FROM OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UM, REDUCING CARBON EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH DEMOLITION, CREATING LOCAL JOBS, CREATING EMPLOYMENT PATHWAYS, INCREASING THE AFFIL AVAILABILITY AND AFFORDABLE AFFORDABILITY OF HIGH QUALITY HISTORIC MATERIALS SOURCE FROM THAT URBAN FOREST THAT I MENTIONED.

AND ALSO FACILITATING PARTICIPATION IN THE SALVAGE AND EXCHANGE MARKET.

UM, FOR THOSE THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY EXCLUDED, THIS IS A REALLY CORE COMPONENT FOR US REGARDING EQUITY.

UM, SINCE WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WISHING THAT THEY HAD ACCESS TO OLDER MATERIALS TO KIND OF PATCH THEIR STRUCTURES AND EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE STRUCTURES INSTEAD OF BUYING SOMETHING OFF THE SHELF AT HOME DEPOT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MAY DETERIORATE FASTER.

SO WE SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF CREATE A RESOURCE BANK OF MATERIALS THAT CAN REALLY EXTEND THE USEFUL LIFE OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

UM, DECONSTRUCTION ALSO ALLOWS FOR SAFE ABATEMENT OF TOXIC MATERIALS.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN BUILDINGS ARE DEMOLISHED WITH HEAVY MACHINERY, YOU SEE A BIG PLUME OF DUST CREATED, UM, THAT'S NOT VERY SAFE FOR OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT.

SO THIS OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT.

AND ALSO IT PROMOTES JUST REUSE UPCYCLING AND OTHER CREATIVE SUSTAINABLE WASTE HABITS IN SAN ANTONIO.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY KIND OF INNOVATIVE, UH, POLICY FOR A MUNICIPALITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

SAN ANTONIO IS REALLY ON THE FOREFRONT OF SEVERAL TOP MAYBE FIVE CITIES EXPLORING THIS.

UH, THE MOST PROMINENT IS PORTLAND, OREGON, WHICH HAS HAD AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE IN PLACE SINCE OCTOBER OF 2016, SO ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW.

SO THEIR POLICY APPLIES TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX HOMES CONSTRUCTED IN 1916 OR EARLIER.

SO IF ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE BEING DECON, DEMOLISHED OR REMOVED, THEY HAVE TO BE DECONSTRUCTED.

UM, ONE THING THAT'S REALLY AMAZING FROM THAT OUTCOME, WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH PORTLAND VERY CLOSELY AND KIND OF HOW THAT'S AFFECTED THEIR, THEIR CITY.

UH, THE RESULTING ORDINANCE CREATED THIS ROBUST PRIVATE MARKETPLACE OF DECONSTRUCTION AND SALVAGE AND UPCYCLING AND RETAILING AROUND, UM, SALVAGE MATERIALS.

SO WHEN THE PRO, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WENT INTO PLACE, THE CITY WAS WORKING VERY CLOSELY

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BUT SINCE THEN, THAT NONPROFIT HAS ACTUALLY CLOSED THEIR DECONSTRUCTION SIDE OF IT TO FOCUS ON MORE PROFITABLE VENTURES, JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN SUCH AN AMAZING RESPONSE OF LOCAL PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED IN RESPONSE TO THIS ORDINANCE.

SO, UM, 30% OF PERMITS IN, UH, PORTLAND, THESE ARE KIND OF SOME STATISTICS FROM THEIR, UM, ANNUAL REVIEW.

UM, WERE SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE.

5 MILLION POUNDS OF BUILDING MATERIALS WERE DIVERTED FROM THE LANDFILL.

THEY'VE CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS.

SO CREATED A NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, PATHWAY OF PROFESSIONALS FOR, UH, REMOVING BUILDINGS.

AND JUST THAT IMAGE OF SEVEN HOUSES, SEVEN PANELS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN A LOCAL BAR IN PORTLAND, THEY PUT, UM, SEVEN DIFFERENT HOUSES INTO THAT, THAT BAR.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I MEAN FOR CREATIVE UPCYCLING AND REUSE OF MATERIALS.

WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT, UM, LISTED ON THE SCREEN THERE, RANGING FROM PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS TO KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CIRCUIT, UM, AS WELL AS ENGAGING LOCAL AND STATE NONPROFITS THAT ARE INTO, UM, WASTE MANAGEMENT AND RECYCLING AS WELL AS CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE.

UM, AND THIS IS A REALLY FUN, UH, ACTIVITY THAT WE DID FOR PRESERVATION MONTH.

WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING PEOPLE HOW YOU COULD TURN SALVAGE MATERIALS INTO KIND OF AN ARTISTIC PROJECT.

SO THAT WAS FROM ONE OF OUR, UM, HANDS-ON PRESERVATION EVENTS, KIND OF SHOWING THAT THE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE AVAILABLE WITH SALVAGE MATERIALS.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO SHANNON TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING.

THANK YOU, STEPH.

AS YOU ALL CAN SEE, SHE'S BECOME QUITE AN EXPERT ON ALL OF THIS.

SO, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR GREAT WORK ON THIS.

UM, SO NOW WHAT, UM, WE, IN WORKING WITH THESE, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND COMMUNITY, UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED DRAFT POLICY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE STILL, UM, WORKING ON SOLIDIFYING IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE, BUT WANTED TO WALK THROUGH THEM WITH YOU AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

UM, THE GENERAL THINKING IS THAT, UM, THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO ANY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS BUILT PRIOR TO A CERTAIN DATE.

UM, THAT DATE IS STILL KIND OF UP FOR DISCUSSION.

INITIALLY, WE THREW OUT 1940 BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY AND MATERIAL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD MAKE IT, WE COULD BRING THAT DATE FORWARD, BUT THAT WOULD CAPTURE MORE PROPERTIES.

AND SO THERE'S KIND OF PROS AND CONS TO DETERMINING WHAT THAT RIGHT NUMBER IS OR WHERE WE SHOULD START.

AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ANYTHING IN AN N C D OR A HISTORICAL OVERLAY.

UM, IT'D BE FOR BOTH PRIVATE AND CITY ORDERED DEMOLITIONS.

UM, AND THEY WOULD, THE DECONSTRUCTION WOULD HAPPEN UNDER THE GUIDE, THE GUIDANCE OF A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR.

AND SO BASICALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK THROUGH WITH O H P, THEIR PLAN FOR SALVAGE, AND THEY'D HAVE TO, UM, KIND OF REPORT PRE AND POST.

AND OF COURSE THERE'D BE EXEMPTIONS FOR, UM, DAMAGED MATERIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE HAD BEEN FIRE OR TERMITE DAMAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND, UM, THEN WE DO LIKE A FINAL CLOSEOUT WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF AS WELL.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES.

UM, ONE IS, IS THE POTENTIAL COST, UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTORS AND OTHER EXPERTS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

UM, FOR A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, DECONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT TWO TO $3,000 MORE EXPENSIVE THAN DEMOLITION.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT PRICE MIGHT, WOULD GO UP FOR LARGER BUILDINGS.

UM, IN PORTLAND, THE PRICE DIFFERENCE WENT DOWN AFTER THE ORDINANCE IMPLEMENTATION DUE TO, UM, BOTH COMPETITION AND ACCESSIBILITY OF CONTRACTORS TO PERFORM THE WORK.

SO THE, THE DESIRE, OF COURSE, WOULD BE TO CERTIFY THESE CONTRACTORS, AND THEN THERE'D BE MORE COMPETITION AND THE PRICE WOULD COME BACK DOWN.

UM, OTHER CHALLENGES INCLUDE, UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL ABATEMENT, UM, TRAINING, WHICH WE'VE MENTIONED, AND THEN STORAGE OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS.

AND, UM, THAT, THAT STORAGE IS A KEY CHALLENGE BECAUSE SAN ANTONIO KIND OF DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE ROBUST MARKETPLACE FOR, UM, SALVAGE MATERIALS THAT SOME OTHER US CITIES SEEM TO HAVE DEVELOPED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF NONPROFIT WAREHOUSES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU CAN GO AND GET THESE MATERIALS.

AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS, UM, A CHALLENGE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO TRY TO ATTACK SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, SUCH AS THE COST GAP, UM, INCLUDING POTENTIAL INCENTIVES AND THEN PARTNERSHIPS FOR TRAINING AND FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR CREDENTIALING OF THE CONTRACTORS AND, AND THEN ALSO TECHNOLOGY TO CONNECT BUYERS AND SELLERS OF THOSE, UM,

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AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, GRANT APPLICATIONS.

UM, WE ARE WORKING IN OCTOBER, UH, JUST IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

REALLY, IT'S CRAZY.

IT'S OUR, IT'S ALMOST OCTOBER ALREADY.

UM, WE'LL BE OFFERING A TRAINING FOR DEMOLITION AND GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE CITY TO LEARN HOW TO DO DECONSTRUCTION AND BE CERTIFIED.

UM, WE'LL BE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE ON A PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN THAT'S FROM THE 1930S THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR REMOVAL.

AND SO WE'LL BE DECONSTRUCTING ONE OF THEIR PROPERTIES, UM, AS THE FIRST TRAINING.

UM, WE ARE ALSO EXPLORING POTENTIALLY CHANGING LIKE EXISTING FEE STRUCTURE RELATED TO DEMOLITION IN ORDER TO INCENT LIKE DISINCENTIVIZE DEMOLITION AND INCENT, UM, DECONSTRUCTION.

AND WE ALSO THINK THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER REGIONALLY WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ON UTILIZING THESE DECON, THESE, UM, THE DECONSTRUCTION SALVAGE MATERIALS AS KIND OF PREPARATION FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL DISASTERS, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE MATERIALS TO GO BACK IN AND PERFORM REPAIRS.

AND THEN, UM, WE CAN ALSO PARTNER WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS THROUGH THIS INITIATIVE TO HELP IMPROVE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY.

UM, I, I, I'LL MENTION JUST BRIEFLY THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH A, UM, CONSULTANT DONOVAN TO DO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING STUDY RELATED TO, WE'VE BEEN CALLING STUDY BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIED TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING'S DESIGNATED TO HISTORIC, IT'S JUST BASED ON AGE.

UM, WE KNOW THAT A QUARTER OF ALL HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO WERE, WERE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 1960, AND THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CONTRIBUTES TO THE ACCELERATED DETERIORATION OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND MANY OF THEM ARE, AND MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY.

SO LOOKING AT WAYS TO KIND OF ARREST THAT DETERIORATION.

AND THERE WILL BE A FUTURE B SESSION RELATED TO THAT STUDY THAT DONOVAN RIMA IS PERFORMING.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL STARTUPS TO, UH, PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK ABOUT DEVELOPING ONLINE MATERIALS MARKETPLACE THAT WOULD CONNECT PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING, UM, RECLAIMED MATERIALS WITH THOSE WHO HAVE MATERIALS TO SELL OR DONATE.

AND SO THERE'S A TECHSTARS TEAM THAT IS CURRENTLY BUILDING A A DEMO TOOL FOR US, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH O H P STAFF.

UM, WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT, OH, SORRY.

UM, WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FROM THE KAPLAN FUND AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT WE WERE SELECTED, UM, AFTER THE FIRST ROUND AND HAVE BEEN INVITED TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE SECOND ROUND.

AND, UM, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS GRANT, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HELP, UM, FUND KIND OF COMMUNITY BASED MAKER CENTERS THAT WOULD, UM, HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF SOME OF THIS MATERIAL AND ITS REUSE AND THE ABILITY, UM, TO PUT THAT BACK INTO, UM, PRODUCTIVE USE AS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE AND EDUCATIONAL RESOURCE AND REALLY A, A HERITAGE ASSET, UM, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING FABRIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, I MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE NEED FOR SOME SORT OF WAREHOUSE.

UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A REUSE WAREHOUSE IN HOUSTON.

HOUSTON HAS A VERY ROBUST MARKETPLACE FOR THESE KIND OF MATERIALS.

AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT WAYS, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OR WE, UM, HELP SOME OTHER ENTITY DEVELOPS SOME SORT OF A MARKETPLACE, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT PART OF THIS INITIATIVE.

UM, SO WE WILL, UM, CONTINUE AS I MENTIONED WITH, UM, COMMUNITY PRESENTATIONS AND THEN THIS COMMITTEE PRESENTATION TODAY.

UM, WE WILL BE REFINING THE POLICY BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK.

UM, THE CONTRACTOR TRAINING WILL HAPPEN IN OCTOBER.

AND THEN, UM, ONCE WE FINALIZE THROUGH, AFTER KIND OF INPUTTING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO COUNSEL, UM, FOR ACTION ON THE DECONSTRUCTION POLICY.

AND THAT COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

GREAT.

THIS IS AWESOME.

, DID THIS COME FROM YOU? YES.

OH YEAH.

PLEASE ELABORATE IN THAT.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS IS GREAT.

UH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SHANNON, AND THANK YOU STEPHANIE.

WE'RE SHE'S OVER HERE.

THERE.

SHE'S GOOD JOB.

YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND, UM, IN FACT, AND, AND PART OF THE HISTORY, IT'S FUNNY, THIS IS, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUELY SAN ANTONIO.

UM, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE, THE OLD ROMAN CIRCUS MAXIMUS THAT NO LONGER EXISTS, BUT IT, IT, IT BASICALLY WAS DECONSTRUCTED AND TURNED INTO MANY CATHEDRALS ALL OVER EUROPE.

WELL, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, THE, AFTER THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, A LOT OF THE STONE WAS REUSED.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S IN A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO.

WE, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONES, BUT, BUT IN, IN THAT SAME SPIRIT, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS IDEA OF DECONSTRUCTING AND REUSING MATERIALS IS, IS, UH, IS A, IS A REALLY GOOD THING FOR ANY COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, CERTAINLY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, WITH, WITH OUR

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AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO HELPING IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN TO, TO HELP WITH THIS MARKET THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CONCEIVED.

UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS THEIR, UH, IS IT THE RESTORE RESTORE, MM-HMM.

, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP THERE OR WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CREATE THAT MARKET.

SO I, UH, WHAT I HEARD HERE WAS, WAS REALLY AMAZING, UH, VERY, VERY THOROUGH WORK.

AND, UH, I HOPE TO, TO GET THIS PUSH FORWARD AND CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, LOVE TO, TO HELP OUT WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, MARKET IDEA BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE MATERIALS ARE TRULY, TRULY SPECIAL MATERIALS.

UH, GREAT DEMONSTRATION ON, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE, ON THE PINE, UH, JUST AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, OLD GROWTH AND NEW GROWTH.

UM, IT'S, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

AND, AND IT'S, AND WHEN PEOPLE START TO SEE THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE QUALITY THAT GOES INTO, UM, A BUILDING, IT'S NOT JUST THE QUANTITY, BUT RATHER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN APPRECIATE HOW WELL THESE STRUCTURES ARE PUT TOGETHER AND HOW LONG THEY WILL LAST.

SO LONGEVITY IS EVERYTHING.

YES, THAT'S VERY TRUE.

AND, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HABITAT, THEY ARE, UM, INVOLVED IN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND SO WE, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM AND OTHERS AS WE KIND OF FINALIZE THAT MARKETPLACE RECOMMENDATION.

WELL, THAT'S FANTASTIC.

UM, YOU KNOW, CALLING TO ALL, ALL DESIGNERS, ARCHITECTS, EVERYBODY OUT THERE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION.

LET'S, LET'S, LET'S PROMPT THIS MARKETPLACE UP.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY COOL.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SHANNON.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

UM, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

I THINK THIS IS FABULOUS.

UM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? AGAIN, THE YOUNG LADY THAT WAS WORKING.

STEPHANIE, UM, STEPHANIE, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME? I'M STEPHANIE PHILLIPS.

STEPHANIE PHILLIPS.

OKAY.

THANKS.

UM, SO YOU MENTIONED, IS THERE ONLY ONE OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY THAT'S DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, OR THEY'RE JUST THE ONE THAT HAVE THE MORE ADVANCED? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO PORTLAND IS THE ONLY MAJOR CITY IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS A FORMAL POLICY THAT'S BEEN ENACTED.

UM, MY HOMETOWN IS MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN.

THEY ENACTED A, UH, DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE IN 2018, BUT THEY KIND OF PUSHED IT THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN THEY HAD TO RESCIND IT TEMPORARILY JUST BECAUSE THEY ALSO NEEDED TO BUILD UP THAT MARKETPLACE.

UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT A REENACT ACTION OF THAT ORDINANCE AS WELL.

UM, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE EXPLORING THIS, INCLUDING, UM, SEATTLE, SAN FRANCISCO.

PITTSBURGH IS ALSO LOOKING AT IT BUFFALO.

SO A LOT OF CITIES FROM DIFFERENT SCALES THAT ARE KIND OF AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF IMPLEMENTING A POLICY.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD.

UH, SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IF YOU HAD A BUILDING WHERE SOME OF THIS MATERIALS WERE SALVAGEABLE, THAT YOU WOULD JUST SALVAGE THAT BUILDING, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHY WOULD YOU THEN DECONSTRUCT IT IF IT COULD BE SAVED? WELL, AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND OBVIOUSLY ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR WHERE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON DEMOLITION, NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE.

I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY ISN'T LIKE, KIND OF LIKE DE YOU KNOW, GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH ANYTHING YOU WANT.

YOU ST WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, PROPER REVIEW PROCESSES FOR, RELATED TO DEMOLITION, BUT OBVIOUSLY BUILDINGS DO COME DOWN AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UM, APPROVALS ARE GRANTED, UM, FOR DEMOLITION.

AND SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, DECONSTRUCTION IS A TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TOSSING IT ALL INTO THE LANDFILL.

UH, I THINK THIS IS REALLY FASCINATING.

SO ON, ON MY OCCASIONAL DOWNTIME, UH, I'D LIKE TO WATCH HOME IMPROVEMENT SHOWS.

AND SO I WONDER IF WE COULDN'T PITCH SOMETHING SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN, IS HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT OF? IT'S FUNNY, WE HAVE THOUGHT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE DREAMT ABOUT THAT TOO.

LIKE, IT, IT WOULD BE A, A GREAT THING TO DO AND WE WOULD, I MEAN, OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR, UM, OUR CITY CABLE H P T V SHOW, AND WE INTEND TO DO KIND OF, UM, UH, LIKE TIME LAPSE OF THE BUILDING COMING DOWN WHEN WE DO, UM, THE DECONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO SHOW HOW IT HAPPENS.

BUT WE'D, WE'D OF COURSE LOVE TO TO REACH OUT TO A MUCH BROADER AUDIENCE.

AND, AND THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS BECAUSE I, I DO THINK THAT SO MUCH OF THIS REALLY IS GONNA DEPEND ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

UM, AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, WE REALLY NEED PRIVATE SECTOR SUPPORT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE, UM, ESPECIALLY AS RELATES TO INFILL HOUSING AND, UM, THE REHAB OF HOUSING.

UM, BUT, UM, SO IF, IF WE COULD GENERATE THAT MARKET, UM, THEN HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD INSPIRE PEOPLE TO DO IT BECAUSE I, I, UM, I HAVE, SO MAYBE YOU COULD JUST WALK ME THROUGH, I KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS, BUT, BUT THERE WAS A SCENARIO IN MY

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SO IS THAT, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO, SO IT'S SOME SOMEWHAT YET TO BE DETERMINED IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL WRITTEN POLICY.

BUT, BUT BASICALLY IF, IF THE PROPERTY WAS SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO WHATEVER YEAR IT IS THAT WE ULTIMATELY LAND ON, UM, THEN A PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED AND THERE'D BE NO REQUIREMENT FOR HOW THEY, WHAT THEY DO WITH THE SALVAGE MATERIAL.

I MEAN, THEY COULD KEEP IT AND REUSE IT THEMSELVES.

THEY COULD SELL IT, THEY COULD DONATE IT.

UM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD KIND OF BE A MONITORING, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND THEN A FINAL REPORT, UM, TO, TO DOCUMENT THAT THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO RELATED TO THE SALVAGE OF THE MATERIALS.

OKAY.

SO IT COULDN'T BE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE GONNA GO FOR THE DEMOLITION.

A GROUP SAYS, WE WANT YOUR MATERIALS, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, HAVE AT IT, YOU CAN TAKE ALL MATERIALS YOU WANT.

YEAH, POTENTIALLY.

UM, OF COURSE, BUT IT WOULD STILL, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS FOR A NOVICE TO GO IN AND START DISASSEMBLING.

AND SO THE DECONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR, UM, WITH A, WITH SOMEONE WHO IS LICENSED.

BUT THEN, UM, BUT YES, THEN THE MATERIALS COULD, COULD GO WHEREVER THE OWNER SAW IT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, I JUST GUESS REGARDING, UM, SAFE MATERIALS, AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TOXIC MATERIALS, UM, AND ONLY 'CAUSE IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SOME BUILDINGS GOT DEMOLISHED IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN COOKING METH THERE.

AND, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE VERY HIGH LEVELS OF TOXICITY BECAUSE OF THE METH, BUT NOT BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS.

WHAT IS THE STATUS OF MATERIALS LIKE THAT? DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT? I KNOW MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS, BUT I AM SORT OF CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE THE MATERIAL ITSELF IS NOT TOXIC.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

AND THAT KIND OF TIES INTO, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, THERE WOULD CERTAINLY BE EXEMPTIONS FOR CERTAIN BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE TRULY DANGEROUS TO LIFE SAFETY FOR PEOPLE TO HANDLE MATERIALS.

LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF A, A SEVERE FIRE OCCURRED, WE WOULDN'T WANNA PUT LIFE AT RISK TO SALVAGE THESE MATERIALS.

UM, BUT DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF CONTAMINATION, IT COULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH LEAD ABATEMENT, WHICH IS STRIPPING MATERIALS DOWN TO A SALVAGEABLE USE IF IT WAS COATED WITH ANY SORT OF TOXIC SUBSTANCE.

UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FACTOR IN KIND OF INTO OUR EXEMPTION DETERMINATION.

THANK YOU.

I THINK, WELL, WE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.

UM, I THINK IT'S, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE USED IN THE PRODUCTION OF, AND SO I THINK IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS, RIGHT? AND SO AS LONG AS, AS SOMETHING IS NOT, UH, DANGEROUS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE THAT WOULD BE DECONSTRUCTING, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO, BUT WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT DANGEROUS TO DECONSTRUCT.

RIGHT.

UM, I, IT JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I, I KNOW THAT'S IN THE WEEDS, BUT WE GET A LOT OF DEMOLITIONS IN THE DISTRICT.

SO, UM, UH, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT, I, I, THIS IS, THIS IS A FANTASTIC, SO THANK YOU FOR THIS, THIS IS REALLY EXCITING.

I THINK IT GIVES US AT LEAST SOME HOPE, UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLITIONS THAT, UM, I, I MET WITH MY B S B BOARD MEMBER, UH, YESTERDAY AND, UH, HE WAS, UM, TELLING ME ABOUT REALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF DEMOLITIONS IN DISTRICT FIVE MORE THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY.

UH, AND IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IN EITHER ENSURE THAT IT'S DOESN'T CREATE MORE OF A HAZARD IN THE AREA, AND THEN THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL TO RECYCLE, I THINK THIS IS REALLY EXCITING.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.

THANK YOU.

UM, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, I LOVE THIS, LOVE THIS CONCEPT.

UM, YOU ALWAYS COME UP WITH GREAT INNOVATIVE IDEAS ON THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY, AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, STEPHANIE, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.

UM, IT REALLY BRINGS TO, TO HEART THE DISTRICT THAT HAS A LOT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION GOING ON AT THIS PRESENT MOMENT.

AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR ARE, HOW DO WE FIND THE WINDOWS THAT STAY WITHIN THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS OF THE HISTORICAL, UM, FEATURES.

AND SO THIS WOULD TRULY BE A BENEFIT AND ADDED BENEFIT TO THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AND EVEN WITH LORI, AS WE GO THROUGH LOOKING AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GETTING READY TO START REHABBING SOME OF THOSE VACANT HOMES.

UM, MY QUESTION TRULY IS, UM, ACCORDING ALONG THE LINES OF COUNCILMAN TREVINO WORKING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, AND EVEN UNDER THAT AFFORDABLE PIECE, USING THESE MATERIALS FOR THEM TO START

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BUT HAVE WE ACTUALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THE PRICE VALUE AS WHAT WOULD BE ON THE MARKETPLACE FOR, UM, PURCHASE OF THESE MATERIALS? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, THE PRICE IS AVERAGING OUT? UM, I MEAN, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION BASED ON HOW THINGS ARE BEING SOLD IN OTHER CITIES, BUT I, I THINK SOME OF IT IS A, A, A BIGGER CONVERSATION TOO ABOUT WHETHER, OR, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE CITY'S INVOLVED SOMEHOW IN DEVELOPING THE MARKETPLACE, THEN WE MAY, WE MAY NOT CHARGE FOR THE MATERIALS AT ALL IF THEY'RE GOING INTO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.

AND SO, UM, WE WOULD WANNA LOOK AT OUR PRICING MODEL BASED ON WHERE THE MATERIAL WAS ENDING UP AND, UM, THOSE OTHER TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING HOW IT GOES FROM HERE.

THIS WAS A BRIEFING.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD? WHAT, WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS? SURE.

I'M GONNA ASK STEPH TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU WHO'S ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE SOMEONE OFF.

BUT, UM, IN ADDITION TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I MENTIONED WE'LL BE, UM, TRAINING CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY REGISTERED AS LICENSED CONTRACTORS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AND SO THEY ALREADY ARE STARTING AT A LEVEL POINT AT, AND THEN THEY CAN MOVE FROM THERE TO BECOME DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS.

EVENTUALLY WE WILL ALSO HAVE, UM, TRAINING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY LICENSED, CONTRACTORS WHO ARE STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO AND WANT TO DEVELOP A BUSINESS TIED TO DECONSTRUCTION AND SALVAGE.

AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE COMING IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.

AND WE'RE WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF, UM, LIKE TRAINING PROGRAMS AND EXISTING, UM, CONSTRUCTION PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE ONE AT ST.

PHILIP'S AND, UM, PROGRAMS SIMILAR TO THAT AROUND THE, UM, CITY AND AROUND THE REGION SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP THAT HELP DEVELOP THAT MARKETPLACE.

BUT WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT WHO'S ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE? SURE.

UM, SO I HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UM, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM SUSTAINABILITY, SOLID WASTE, METRO HEALTH, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES, AND ONE OTHER, OH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, OF COURSE.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE HABITAT FOR HUMANITIES ON OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEMOLITION CONTRACTORS, UM, THAT WE WORK WITH ALL THE TIME AT O H P.

SO THEY'RE ON OUR COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY TO GET INPUT AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF LICENSED GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT DO REHAB WORK THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THESE MATERIALS.

AND KIND OF SPEAKING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT PRICE POINT AND HOW THEY CAN BE REMOVED FROM STRUCTURES AND REUSED IN OTHER WAYS.

UM, YES, WE HAVE THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL, UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME NONPROFITS.

WE HAVE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY KIND OF FOR THAT ADVOCACY COMPONENT, KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, SHIRLEY, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT PRESERVATION IS WELL REPRESENTED IN THE CONVERSATION AS WELL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BROAD ARRAY OF ALL THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS ON THE COMMITTEE.

NO, THERE'S A BRIEFING TODAY, BUT HOW DO WE SEE THIS GOING FORWARD TO BECOMING SOMETHING THAT THE, THE COUNCIL MAY ACT ON? UM, SO, SO WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANT AN ORDINANCE TO GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE TRAINED TO DO THE DECONSTRUCTION.

AND SO THE TRAINING IS AN IMPORTANT NEXT STEP.

AND SO IN SIMULTANEOUS WITH THAT TRAINING AND THAT CERTIFICATION, WE'LL CONTINUE TO REV RE REFINE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND WE ANTICIPATE REALLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO, TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH ACTUAL LANGUAGE, UM, FOR THE ORDINANCE AND A TIMELINE FOR MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, CHALLENGES LISTED ON SLIDE 29, AND I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE CHALLENGES ARE COMPLETELY LAID OUT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I'D, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE PRESERVATION.

UH, I'M APPREHENSIVE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FINANCIAL BURDEN THE CITY MAY TAKE ON TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.