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AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING, UH, COMMISSION OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING NOTICE, UH, NOTICE MEETING OF THE SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION.
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I'D LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT.KENNETH, DISTRICT FOUR, XAVIER TOLSON, DISTRICT TWO, SUMMER GRADE HOUSE DISTRICT ONE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10 GIBBONS, DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSTAMANTE, DISTRICT FIVE.
FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT.
WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC, WHICH A NATION INDIVIDUAL.
PRIOR TO OUR MEETING BEGINNING, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORGE YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.
PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.
FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION, IN ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING.
YOU WILL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MIN TWO OR THREE MINUTES CHAIR.
DID YOU WANNA DO MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.
YOU'LL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.
THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED, A ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UM, DISCUSS WITH THE AUDIENCE, UM, THE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH EVERYTHING WITH EVERYONE HERE.
ITEMS NUMBER TWO, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER SIX, NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER 22 HAVE EITHER BEEN WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
IF IT WAS WITHDRAWN, THAT MEANS IT COMPLETELY GOES AWAY.
IF IT'S POSTPONED, THAT MEANS THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE ANOTHER NOTICE ONCE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE ANOTHER NOTICE FOR THAT.
IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, WE ARE HAPPY TO CALL YOU UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
THIS, THESE CASES WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AT ALL.
THIS IS NORTH OLIVE STREET, UM, PIPESTONE, WEST COMMERCE STREET, CHADWELL DRIVE, AND WEST HOUSTON STREET.
ALRIGHT, UM, SO IF YOU'D SCROLL BACK UP TO
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THE TOP, THE COMBINED HEARING ITEMS, I'M JUST GONNA CALL THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ANY OTHERS THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.WE NEED ITEMS NUMBER 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 18, AND 23.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS RIGHT NOW ARE CONSIDERED FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, BY THE ZONING COMMISSION IN ONE FELL SWOOP AFTER THEY ARE READ INTO THE RECORD.
SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, I WILL CALL YOU UP AFTER THE, UM, ZONING COMMISSION HAS MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION IN MOTION SO THAT YOU CAN STILL SPEAK ON THAT IF YOU HAVE, UH, 'CAUSE I SEE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE
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WHO ARE, UH, WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR.DO YOU WANNA START THERE, MA'AM? PRIOR, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? IN WHICH CASE IS THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF CASE NUMBER 11.
SO, UM, IF YOU ARE INDEED INTERESTED, THESE, UM, ITEMS WILL BE, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE A COMBINED HEARING, THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY CAN BE ON COMBINED HEARING IS BECAUSE, UM, THEY ARE IN FACT, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
AND SO WE'LL BE MAKING ONE VOTE TO APPROVE ALL THOSE CASES.
SO IF YOU, UH, FEEL THAT YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THOSE, UM, WHEN MS. CHRISTIE, UH, FLORES, UH, CALLS YOUR NAME, YOU CAN, UM, COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CHAIRMAN, I REQUEST ITEM NUMBER 12, BE PULLED TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, HEARING, PLEASE.
SO WE'RE MOVING, UH, ITEM 12 TO INDIVIDUAL.
IT'S FOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S FOR PURPOSES OF A RECUSAL.
WE CAN DO THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE CONSENT.
UH, 'CAUSE ALL WE NEED IS A MOTION, UH, BECAUSE IT'S PULLED FOR A PURPOSE OF RECUSAL.
SO, SO WE'LL MOVE IT, UM, WHAT TO, UH, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER THREE? SURE, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO 12 WILL STILL STAY ON CONSENT, BUT IT WILL BE HEARD, UH, VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY.
MS. FLORES, LIKE TO, UM, HAVE ANY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STILL INTERESTED IN SPEAKING FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE FIRST COMBINED HEARING? ALL RIGHTY.
SO I WILL CALL YOU UP TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT.
UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE, LINDA ORTEGA.
MY ADDRESS IS 25 0 5 SAUNDERS AND I AM REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC WESTSIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION, AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF, OF NUMBER NINE.
UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE MR. RICO WHO IS HERE.
UM, HIS WIFE IS NOT WITH HIM, WHAT HE PLANS TO DO, HE PLANS TO DO A RESTAURANT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
IT WILL NOT BE, I DON'T BELIEVE THE TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT THAT YOU'LL FIND IN OUR AREA.
WE'VE, WE, WE APPRECIATE HIS COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
MR. TONY CORTEZ, FOLLOWED BY RALPH CORTEZ.
OH, UH, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, SO IF I DON'T DO THIS PROPERLY, PLEASE CHIME IN AND, AND LET ME KNOW.
UM, WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 8 0 4 EAST EUCLID.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE REZONED ID Z ONE.
UM, I'LL TELL A QUICK STORY ABOUT HOW WE GOT STARTED WITH THIS PROCESS.
'CAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS TYPE OF REZONING.
SO I, I MET WITH PATRICIA FRANCO ON JULY 15TH.
I'M SORRY, IF YOU, ARE YOU HERE? UH, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON, UH, CASE NUMBER 13? YES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, UM, HEARD INDIVIDUALLY AND IF YOU'RE THE APPLICANT THEN WE'LL CALL YOU UP OKAY.
SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE OTHER THAN, LET'S SEE, ONE MORE IN FAVOR.
I THINK THIS WAS THE APPLICANT AND SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE IN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. REMAINING ON CONSENT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT I MISSED? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SAY
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IRMA HOFFMAN, HOFFMAN, IRMA.THIS IS A PLEASANT TIME TO BE HERE.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS IRMA HOFFMAN AND REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION.
AND, UH, WE ARE VERY GLAD TO WELCOME THE C C ORGANIZATION AND DIRECTOR JOHN HINOJOSA.
UH, WE WELCOME BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK, UH, CREATIVITY, INSPIRATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEM COMING AND INSPIRING OUR YOUTH THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WE ARE HERE WITH CIVIL ENGINEER TAYLOR, SO, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UM, UH, THE STACY ORGANIZATION.
SO THEN, I GUESS, WE'LL, WE'RE READY FOR THE HEARING NOW.
COMBINE HEARING ONE ITEM NUMBER NINE TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO I D Z WITH USES PERMITTED IN C ONE AND R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 27 NOTICES MAILED NONE IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION.
THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE IS IN SUPPORT AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM PROSPECT HILL.
ITEM NUMBER 10, TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO C THREE R A H O D AT 56 0 3 KENNEWICK STREET, THERE WERE 10 NOTICES.
MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11, TO REZONE FROM I ONE AND C THREE AND A TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1310 SOUTH BRAZO STREET, THERE WERE 14 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 14, TO REZONED FROM C TWO TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1845 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD, THERE WERE 20 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 17 TO REZONE FROM R FIVE A H O D TO R FIVE C D A H O D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR ANIMAL AND PET SERVICES.
NO OUTDOOR TRAINING, BOARDING RUNS, PENS OR PADDOCKS.
STAFF, UH, LOCATED AT 14,000 4 0 3 BRIAR MALL.
ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM BREAR WICK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 18 TO REZONE FROM RMM FOUR A H O D TO I D Z TWO A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 1101 SOUTH CHERRY STREET.
THERE WERE 39 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, NO RESPONSE FROM DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND THE LAST LAST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 23 TO REZONED FROM F FR A H O D TO AND FR TO ID I TWO A H O D AND I TWO LOCATED AT 1 5 7 7 0 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 2 81.
THERE WERE 20 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
MADAM CHAIR, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER 9 10 11 14, 17, 18, AND 23.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ROLL CALL.
UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
I SIMILARLY TO THE COMBINED HEARING ONE AGENDA, THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS, BUT THESE
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ITEMS ARE ALL, UM, REQUESTING CONTINUANCES FOR TODAY.SO THE VERY FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO L A H O D AT 90 10 THETO DRIVE.
THERE WERE EIGHT NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR FOR AN OPPOSITION, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND ONE NOTICE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
THIS ITEM IS REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE 15TH.
I DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THE COMBINED HEARING.
I GUESS IT'S ALMOST LIKE, I GUESS WE COULD READ ALL THE CASES AND THEN CALL UP THE, THE, THE SPEAKERS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MA'AM.
MOVING ON TO, WAIT, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? SO IF WE'RE GONNA, UM, SINCE IT'S GOING FOR CONTINUANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, UM, DOES THE APPLICANT, UM, ISN'T THAT BEING THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE SPEAKING AS WELL? SO SHOULD WE JUST PULL IT TO INDIVIDUAL? EACH ONE IS A DIFFERENT DAY.
IT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANNA TAKE THEM.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE, LET'S SEE, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, UH, HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION.
SO I, I I THINK THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE IS THERE ARE PEOPLE SPEAKING OPPOSED TO IT.
CORRECT? ON WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UH, SO GIVEN THAT, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, IT, IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN A NORMAL, UH, COMBINED HEARING.
AND SO I THINK, UH, THE CHAIR IS ASKING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD JUST TREAT THIS IN THE NORMAL COURSE AS PART OF INDIVIDUAL.
SO THEN WE'LL HAVE A CHANGE ON COMBINED HEARING ITEM TWO TO MOVE ITEM FIVE DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL HEARING.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE
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DATES.SO ITEM NUMBER 15 AND ITEM NUMBER 19 ARE FOR CONTINUANCES TO OCTOBER THE FIRST.
AND SO I'LL READ ITEM NUMBER 15 TO REZONE FROM C ONE A H O D TO I D Z THREE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 120 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND USE IS PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED AT THREE 11 WEST LAUREL STREET.
THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND A H O D, THE C THREE A H O D LOCATED AT 50 63 NORTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10.
THERE WERE 10 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE, UH, TO CONTINUE ITEMS 15 AND 19 TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING IS SECOND.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR A CONTINUANCE, UM, TILL OCTOBER 1ST AND A SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
[12. 19-6750 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700179 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot Track A, NCB 7791, located at 804 Pleasanton Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
YOU.UM, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER THREE, PLEASE.
THIS ITEM IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF A RECUSAL.
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OH.LET THE RECORDS SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER WE IS EXCUSING HIMSELF AND, OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 8 0 4 PLEASANTON ROAD.
THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
MADAM CHAIR, ALL, UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MAD CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM 12.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
COMMISSIONER WHO? COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
IT COULD WE JUST GET THE LIST OF THE INDIVIDUALS, UH, BACK ON SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, PLEASE.
SO, UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UM, SAY THAT WE ARE VERY, UH, HAPPY, UM, TO HAVE OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD WITH US TODAY.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT, UM, TWO OF THEM HAVE, UH, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ON TODAY WHERE THEY HAVE TO, UH, LEAVE, UM, EARLY.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE, UH, CASE, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, 20 AND THEN I THINK NUMBER, NUMBER FIVE OR, UH, AFTER CASE NUMBER THREE, NUMBER 20, AND THEN CASE NUMBER FIVES WHILE WE STILL HAVE THOSE COMMISSIONERS HERE, PLEASE.
[3. 19-6823 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700157 S ERZD (Council District 9): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 GC-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" General Commercial US 281 North Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District to "C-3 S GC-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" General Commercial US 281 North Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District with a Specific Use Authorization for a Carwash on the west 34.72 feet of Lot 11, Block 7, NCB 649, 26480 US Highway 281 North. Staff recommends Approval. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, mercedes.rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
THREE.MERCEDES REVA, SENIOR PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, ZONING CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 1 9 DASH 0 7 0 1 5 7 LOCATED AT 2 6 4 8 0 US HIGHWAY 2 81 NORTH AS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE TO C THREE CD WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH.
12 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ZERO.
WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND LIKE, HAVE, HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY HAVE, UH, SAS THE ROSAS REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE.
HELLO, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION.
UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED ZONING CASE APPLICATION Z 2 0 1 9 DASH 0 7 1 5 7 TO ALLOW A CAR WASH FACILITY AT 26,480.
UH, US HIGHWAY 2 81 NORTH SAW STAFF, UH, MET SETH THOMAS, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HIS ASSOCIATE RANDY DENT AT AN EXISTING DIAMOND SHINE CAR WASH FACILITY LOCATED AT 72 10 BANDERA ROAD.
UH, ON AUGUST 8TH, MR. TOM THOMAS AND MR. DENT WALKED US THROUGH THE CAR WASH OPERATION AND EXPLAINED THE WASH WATER RECAPTURE AND RECYCLING SYSTEM.
WE OBSERVED THE HANDLING AND STORAGE OF DETERGENTS ON SITE AS WELL.
UH, SAWS IS IN AGREEMENT WITH 68% PER COVER DUE TO THE PROJECT'S LOCATION WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT HIGHWAY TO ARTERIAL NODAL, UH, INTERSECTION.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REUSE 80% OF WASH WATER, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE SAWS CONSERVATION WATER SAVER, UH, CAR WASH PROGRAM, AND ADHERE TO ALL OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE SAWS REPORT.
WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH FACILITY.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE?
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JERRY ARRADONDO 29 0 2 HILLCREST.AND UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS C THREE I REQUEST IS FOR C THREE SS AND, UH, AS, UH, MICHAEL ESCALANTE JUST MENTIONED TO Y'ALL, STAFF IS RECOMMENDED FROM SAS.
THE, UH, APPROVAL STAFF RECOMMENDS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT APPROVAL ALSO.
AND, UH, SO I AM MAKING THAT REQUEST FOR APPROVAL ALSO ON OUR REQUEST FOR OUR CHANGE OF ZONING FROM A C THREE TO A C THREE S.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? GOT THOMAS AND SETH THOMAS.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
SO JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT, JERRY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOD, A CAR WASH OFF 2 81, HOW ARE WE GONNA GO IN AND OUT OF 2 81 INTO CAR WASH? BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
SO COULD YOU WALK THROUGH THE, UH, EXIT ENTRANCE TO THE CAR WASH BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT OFF OF US.
HIGHWAY 2 81, WE ARE BEHIND THAT, CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IF YOU'LL SEE THE SITE PLAN THAT'S, UH, ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS, UH, NO ENTRANCE TO THE CAR WASH FROM 2 81.
THE ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF LARSSON STREET, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED.
UH, THAT'S SURROUND US AS A C THREE AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO DOWN LARSSON STREET TO GET TO THE OTHER STREET TO GET TO THE REAR OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY AS, AS AN ENTRANCE.
IN ADDITION, YOU CAN GO ALSO BETWEEN A WALGREENS AND A BILL MILLER'S THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND GET TO THAT SAME STREET AND COME TO THE REAR.
SO THERE, THERE IS NO ENTRANCE EXIT OFF OF 2 81.
AND COULD YOU TELL ME THE LAND BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE YOUR LITTLE, THE ACCESS ROAD THERE.
WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS ON THAT? UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY C TWOS.
THERE'S C IT'S SURROUNDED BY C TWO AND C THREES.
UH, THIS ALSO FALLS UNDER THE MILITARY LIGHTING.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH ABIDING BY THE TYPE OF LIGHTING AND DOWN LIGHTING BULBS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR OVER THIS OVERLAY? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WOULD YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR MAYBE RANDY COULD COME UP AND JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE RECYCLING PROCESS WITH, UM, RECAPTURE AND RECYCLING THAT SAW IS BRIEFLY MENTIONED AND HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH.
LET ME ASK RANDY TO COME FORWARD PLEASE.
WE INSTALL RECYCLE SYSTEMS ON, ON CAR, ALL CAR WASH AS WE DO.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RECLAIMING THE WATER, WE USE A PRIMARY SETTLING SITUATION WHERE WE GO THROUGH SOME CONCRETE TANKS FIRST AND WE LET THE SOLIDS SETTLE AND ULTIMATELY THOSE ARE PUMPED OUT AND DISPOSED OF APPROPRIATELY.
FROM THERE, WE TAKE THE WATER OUT OF THE LAST TANK.
WE ACTUALLY RUN IT THROUGH CYCLONIC FILTERS, AGAIN, DELIVERING SOME OF THE MORE HEAVY PRODUCT, THE, THE SOLIDS BACK TO THE TANKS WHERE THEY'RE DISPOSED OF.
UM, WE THEN INJECT, UH, OZONE, WHICH IS GENERATED BY UV LIGHTS AND THAT OZONE, UH, KILLS THE ANAEROBIC BACTERIA THAT MIGHT DEVELOP IN THE WATER IF WE WERE TO LEAVE IT.
UH, AND THEN THAT WATER IS DELIVERED BACK TO THE CAR WASH.
WE USE IT FOR ALL HIGH PRESSURE, ALL UNDER CARRIAGE.
UH, WE CAN CLEAN IT UP FURTHER THROUGH A SCRUBBING PROCESS AND, UH, ACTUALLY USE IT FOR, UH, OTHER PROCESSES IN THE CAR WASH.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN GET TO THAT 80% NUMBER.
APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVER SOME, SOME TENDER AREA OVER THERE WITH BEING OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFERS.
UM, AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THIS, RANDY, WHAT'S THE HOURS OF OPERATION THERE? AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTION.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, CAR WASHES WILL RUN FROM EIGHT TO ABOUT SIX.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEIR HOURS WILL BE AT THIS WASH.
ALL MY QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR.
ALRIGHT, UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY
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LEFT? OKAY.SO CAN YOU TELL ME, SO WITH THE SOLIDS AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT'S, UM, PUMPED OUT TO, LIKE, IS THERE ANY, UH, OUTSIDE EXPOSURE? LIKE IS IT FROM A HOSE FROM THE TANK TO ANOTHER TANK? OR HOW DO, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT NOTHING WOULD SEEP OUT? RIGHT.
SO THESE TANKS ARE TYPICALLY INSTALLED, UH, IN THE CONCRETE DRIVES.
AND SO YOU HAVE PROTECTION THERE, OBVIOUSLY, AND A PUMP TRUCK WILL COME RIGHT UP TO THE MANHOLE OF THE TANK AND, AND SUCK THE SOLIDS AND SOME OF THE WATER OUT.
AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE PERMITS TO DO THIS AND IT'S DISPOSED OF PROPERLY, UH, IN A LANDFILL.
SINCE, UH, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WELL, I THINK THAT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
BEING ALL THE, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ON 2 81.
THOSE CARS ARE GONNA COME AND SEE YOU QUICKLY.
UH, MA'AM CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
[20. 19-6570 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700192 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "MF-18 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD" Limited Density Multi-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lots 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7, Block 2, NCB 16927 and Lots 2, 3, 4, and 5, Block 3, NCB 16927, generally located west of Walzem Road and Dial Ike Drive. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600055) (Patricia Franco, Planner, (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING GENERALLY, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF WALHAM ROAD AND DIAL, IKE DRIVE.ITEM 20 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING FROM C THREE TO MF 1811.
NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA.
THE EXISTING C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED MF 18 IS ALSO SUITABLE TO THE AREA AND PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIMITED DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? EAST.
JAMES GRIFFIN, BRANDON ORTIZ, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN.
UM, THIS PROJECT YOU CAN SEE, UH, RIGHT HERE IN THE AERIAL.
IT'S WHERE, UH, WALHAM HEADING EAST FROM FOUR 10 KIND OF TURNED SOUTH.
UM, IT'S KIND OF THE END OF THE CITY LIMITS FOR THIS PART OF TOWN.
YOU HAVE THE CITY OF WINDCREST ACROSS WALHAM, THE COUNTY, AND THEN CITY OF CONVERSE TO OUR EAST.
UM, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE WE'RE, UH, TO OUR NORTH IS A COMMERCIAL AREA.
JUST OFF THE SCREEN TO THE LEFT IS A, A WALMART SUPERCENTER.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF RETAIL ON WALHAM.
UH, FURTHER TO OUR SOUTH, YOU HAVE SOME NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT'S A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, YOU SEE JUST TO OUR SOUTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, A RECENTLY REZONED PROPERTY TO R FOUR, UH, NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, THIS, THIS SITE COLLECTIVELY IS ABOUT EIGHT ACRES.
IT WAS PLATTED, UH, BACK IN 2004, 2005 AS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARK.
UH, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROADS WERE BUILT THERE, OBVIOUSLY NEVER TOOK OFF.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREA ALONG WALLUM, UH, AS YOU HEAD EAST AND WEST THERE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS REZONE IT FROM C THREE COMMERCIAL, UH, TO, UH, MF 18, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR, UM, A TOTAL OF 88 UNITS ACROSS THOSE EIGHT ACRES.
UH, THERE'LL BE DUPLEX BUILDINGS.
UM, SO IT'LL BE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT KIND OF PROVIDES A GOOD TRANSITION FROM WHAT WILL BE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH AS YOU HEAD NORTH TOWARDS, UH, TOWARDS WALLS AND TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL UP THERE.
UM, WE'VE, UH, COUPLE KIND OF RECENT, UH, PROJECT CHANGES.
WE'VE, UM, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF NEIGHBORS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
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COUPLE FOLKS FROM, FROM THE GENERAL AREA, AND MS. WILSON IS HERE TODAY.UH, HAD SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, HER AND, AND HER GROUP ABOUT CONCERNS IN THE OVERALL AREA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS A LACK OF, UH, RECREATIONAL, UH, AREAS IN THIS ENTIRE, UH, AREA.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO, WHERE CAN, IF KIDS ARE GONNA LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PLAY? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE INCORPORATED THE, THE LOT, UM, AT THE VERY BOTTOM ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, IT IS A, A DETENTION AREA, UH, THAT WILL BE USED TO CONTROL STORM WATER RUNOFF.
UH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UM, ENHANCE THAT WITH SOME, SOME FACILITIES FOR THE KIDS WALKING TRAILS, SOME, SOME RECREATIONAL AREAS, SOCCER, UH, THAT SORT OF DEAL TO ALLOW SOME, SOME ONSITE AREAS FOR, UM, ANY KIDS THAT MAY LIVE IN THIS AREA, UH, BOTH ON OUR PROPERTY AND BEYOND, UH, TO PLAY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING TO DO BEYOND THEIR BACKYARDS.
UM, A FEW OTHER THINGS TO NOTE.
AS YOU COULD SEE KIND OF FROM THE AERIAL, UH, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THESE ROADS THAT WERE BUILT.
IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, LARGE CUL-DE-SAC DEAD END RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A LOT OF DUMPING, A LOT OF KIND OF BAD ACTIVITY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, SOME CONSTRUCTION AND SOME PEOPLE LIVING THERE WILL REALLY CLEAN THAT UP, ENHANCE THAT, HAVE MORE EYES, UH, ON THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SURROUNDING AREA, REALLY LIFT UP THIS KIND OF SUBPART, UH, OF, UH, OF THE WALLS AND OVERALL AREA.
SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE, UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT OF STAFF'S POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THIS ALSO WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THERE AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? GWEN WILSON, FOLLOWED BY JULIANA KLEIN, MS. WILSON NAME IS GWEN WILSON.
I'M WITH THE WALLS AND ROAD AREA REVITALIZATION.
UM, I WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AND MENTIONED THE SAME THAT A, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, CITY OF WINDCREST AND BEXAR COUNTY ADOPTED A REVITALIZATION, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE WALLS AND ROAD AREA BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UH, THERE WERE TOO MANY RENT RENTERS IN THE PARTICULAR IN, IN THE AREA OF WALLS AND ROAD.
THEY DECIDED THERE WERE TOO MANY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN THE AREA OF WALLS AND ROAD.
LIKE I TOLD MR. GRIFFIN, WHERE HOW HIS PICTURE LOOKS RIGHT THERE, MAKES WALMART LOOK REAL LITTLE, SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH IT BECAUSE THAT, THAT LOT IS NOT THAT BIG.
HERE IS WALMART IS THE PINK ONE.
AND THEN THE PROPERTIES HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE THAT THEY HAVE, ARE RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT, BUT WHERE DO LIKE ROAD COMES AROUND THERE? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH AT THE CORNER.
WALHAM, WHERE IT COMES AROUND AND GOES LIKE DOWN INTO EISENHOWER AND GOES ON OUT IS WALHAM.
UH, THERE'VE BEEN MANY ACCIDENTS AT THAT CORNER.
UH, IF YOU'RE DOWN AT ANY PORT PART OF THE DAY, THE TRAFFIC IS SO BACKED UP AND CONGESTED IN THAT AREA.
NOW, TO PUT A MULTIFAMILY UNIT IN THAT SAME AREA, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT JUST ADDS TO THE CONGESTION WHERE WALMART IS, WHERE WALMART SITS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WALMART.
YOU HAVE THE BENTLEY APARTMENTS, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE BACK OF THE BENTLEY IS THE ADMIRAL APARTMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT THEIR NAME WAS YESTERDAY.
ANYWAY, THEY'VE CHANGED NAMES QUITE A FEW TIMES.
SO YOU'VE GOT THOSE APARTMENTS ON EITHER SIDE ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S WHERE WINDCREST IS.
SO HERE'S WALDEN COMING OUT HERE AND WINDCREST IS PUTTING A CAR WASH ON THE CORNER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM H E B, WHERE THERE USED TO BE A CHASE BANK.
THE, THE CONGESTION IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DRIVING THAT AREA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT, YOU'RE GONNA KNOW IT AND YOU'RE GONNA BE MAD.
THERE ARE ALWAYS WRECKS AROUND ALONG PARK CREST THAT COMES AROUND THERE.
THERE ARE THERE, UM, IT SAYS THAT BIA HAS A BUS THERE.
THAT BUS ONLY RUNS ON SATURDAYS FROM LIKE 10 30 TO FIVE 30 ON SATURDAYS BECAUSE THE CITY OF WINDCREST DOES NOT PAY THE HALF CENT TAX TO MAINTAIN THE BUSES, PULL THE BUSES FROM WINDCREST 30 SECONDS.
SO THE PEOPLE HAVING TO COME INTO THAT AREA, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
THE NEAREST BUS STOP IS NOT IN WALKING DISTANCE.
65% OF THE PEOPLE ARE ELDERLY.
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THEY ALREADY TAKE TWO HOURS.WHEN THEY DO CATCH A BUS TO GO TO THEIR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY INTO DOWNTOWN TO COME BACK, GO TO MEDICAL CENTER, WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING.
AND I UNDERSTAND MR. GRIFFIN AND THE BUILDERS HAVE MADE AMENITY, UH, ADDED AMENITIES TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.
OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK, MA'AM.
UH, MR. GRIFFIN, YOU CAN COME BACK FOR REBUTTAL.
AND I'LL BE BRIEF, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS REAL QUICK.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A HUGE KIND OF DRAW AND, AND BENEFIT TO THIS SITE, UM, BECAUSE THE ROADS POINT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
UH, BUT YOU SEE DIAL LIGHT COMES OUT TO WALHAM OVER HERE FOR ACCESS THERE.
AND THEN PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, THIS ROAD WAS, UH, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, CONNECTS OVER TO PARK CREST.
UH, PARK CREST HAS A LIGHT, UH, THAT RIGHT NOW REALLY ONLY SERVES THE WALMART AND SOME OF THESE OTHER RETAIL.
UM, SO IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET OUT, COMING OUTTA HERE, GOING UP THERE TO THE LIGHT, BEING ABLE TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT ON WALLUM, UH, OR OBVIOUSLY COME DOWN HERE IF YOU'RE GONNA HEAD DOWN THAT WAY.
UM, SO WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT THE ACCESS AND AND TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT.
BUT AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, MS. WILSON AND THANK, THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTIONS.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 20.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I KNOW I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF, UH, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UM, SOUNDS LIKE A COMMISSIONER.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT COM.
UH, COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE, ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? YES.
UM, THIS QUESTION'S FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, COULD YOU LET US KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, SORRY.
UM, COULD YOU LET US KNOW, UH, WHAT YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER IS GOING TO BE ON THIS? ARE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE DETENTION POND AREA.
YOU GONNA HAVE ANY OTHER GREEN SPACE? UH, YES.
AND, AND I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER, BUT, UH, EACH OF THE UNITS, THEY WILL HAVE KIND OF STANDARD BACKYARDS.
SO THERE WILL BE FRONT YARDS, BACKYARDS, SOME GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE LOT THAT I I REFERENCED BELOW WILL BE ENTIRELY EXCEPT FOR THE WALKING TRAIL, UM, PERVIOUS.
UH, AND THAT ONE I THINK IS ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF OUT OF THE EIGHT ACRES.
SO, UM, GOOD AMOUNT, PROBABLY MORE THAN MORE THAN IT SOUNDED LIKE, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE HEIGHT OF THE DUPLEXES.
WHAT ARE THOSE GONNA BE? UH, THEY WILL BE TWO STORIES AND, UM, HERE'S A, IF YOU CAN THROW THAT UP, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE FUZZY, UH, ONCE IT GETS UP THERE.
BUT, UM, GET AN IDEA WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND THAT, AND MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.
THEY'LL HAVE, UH, MASONRY ACCENTS AROUND THE, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO ILLUSTRATE IT.
UM, IT HAS THE KIND OF MASONRY FEATURES AROUND THE EDGE.
UM, ALL THE, ALL OF 'EM WILL LOOK LIKE THAT, UM, LANDSCAPED AND, AND THEY'LL, THEY WILL HAVE THE YARDS AROUND THEM.
AND WITH THE T THAT LOOKS LIKE A TANDEM DRIVEWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH, THERE'LL BE, UH, ROOM FOR, FOR CARS FOR EVERYBODY AND THEN THEY ALL HAVE GARAGES AS WELL, WHETHER PEOPLE PARKING 'EM OR NOT, DIFFERENT STORY, BUT THERE'LL BE ENOUGH, UH, PARKING IN EACH DRIVEWAY FOR 'EM.
AND THEN, UM, LAST QUESTION, UM, WERE THERE, WAS THERE ANY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PERFORMED ON THIS? THIS MAY BE MORE FOR STAFF, BUT AS FAR AS THE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC, DID WE HAVE TO DO ANY STUDIES? WAS THAT TRIGGERED BY THIS OR HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THAT? WE DID NOT TRIGGER ONE.
SO WHEN IT WAS PLATTED, IT WAS PLATTED AS EIGHT ACRES OF C THREE, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS PROJECT WOULD GENERATE.
UM, BUT WE WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO THE FULL T I A STUDY BECAUSE OF THAT PREVIOUS PLATTING IN THE PREVIOUS USE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS I, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, I THINK I'M ALMOST OKAY WITH F M F 18, THE TWO THAT ARE CROSSED
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FROM EACH OTHER, BUT THEN WE GO AROUND THE CURVE AND WE HAVE C THREE C THREE, THEN YOUR M F 18, THEN C THREE.SO THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF ON AN AN ISLAND OF ITSELF, ARE ALL OF THESE ARE ALL THE SAME TYPE OF DUPLEXES.
SO WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THEN THE C THREES TO REMAIN C C THREES? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE MUL THESE RIGHT UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THAT DIAL? IKE, IT GOES AROUND A CURVE.
AND SO THAT ONE, IT SHOWS UP AS A C THREE LOT, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE ROAD WAS BUILT RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING? THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH, SO THAT ONE STILL SHOWS UP AS C THREE, BUT THERE WAS A ROAD CONNECTING DIAL IKE TO PARK CREST OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, AS A LOT.
UH, YOU DO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL USES OUT HERE.
THIS ONE'S A, AN AUTO PARTS STORE THAT WAS BUILT FAIRLY RECENTLY.
THIS ONE STILL IS A COMMERCIAL PAD.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE KIND OF INSULATED THERE.
UH, AGAIN, THIS ONE IS, UH, ALREADY DEVELOPED AS A ROAD, IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT.
UH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE'S ZONED BUSINESS PARK, BUT I, I BELIEVE, AND WE JUST LEARNED THAT, UH, I THINK A CASE WAS RECENTLY FILED FOR THAT ONE TO TURN IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S UNDEVELOPED.
I BELIEVE IT'S HEADED TOWARDS THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL ROUTE HERE PRETTY SOON.
AND THEN AGAIN, THIS ONE WAS RECENTLY REZONED.
JAMES, DID YOU ALREADY SAY THIS? IS THERE A SIGNAL RIGHT THERE AT WALHAM? UH, THERE'S A SIGNAL AT PARK CREST AND WALHAM? YES, MA'AM.
BUT AT DIAL, LIKE IN WALHAM, THERE'S NO SIGNAL, UH, NO SIGNAL RIGHT THERE.
AND WHAT IS THAT LIKE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN THERE IF THERE IS, UH, TRAFFIC THERE.
YOU KNOW, WALHAM UP HERE IS A, IS A BUSY STREET, UH, AS I'M SURE MOST OF YOU KNOW, WALHAM ONCE IT KIND OF TURNS HERE AND, AND HEADS SOUTH LESS.
SO NOW THERE IS MORE DEVELOP COMING IN, DEVELOPMENT COMING IN WITH THESE HOMES BEING BUILT.
BUT, UH, IF YOU ARE GONNA TURN LEFT, REALLY WHERE THIS TAKES YOU IS JUST BACK TO THE EAST, WEST WALM.
UM, SO THE BEST WAY TO GET OUT WOULD TO BE USING THAT ROAD, GO UP TO THE LIGHT, AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO GO LEFT ON WALM OR RIGHT ON WALM IF YOU'RE HEADING THAT WAY KIND OF FURTHER OUT TO THE COUNTY.
UM, JUST PICKING UP ON COMMISSIONER GIBBONS QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE YOU GOT TO ALL THE C THREES.
SO THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE ONE THAT STANDS ALONE, SO THAT C OH, UP, UP HERE.
RIGHT? AND, AND SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPED.
THOSE ARE ALL VARIOUS COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE HARD CORNER IS RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU DO HAVE COMMERCIAL THERE.
UM, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE USES ARE WITH THE C THREE, THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED THAT SURROUND THAT? THE ONE LITTLE ONE YOU RECENTLY? UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S AN H E B, YOU HAVE THE WALMART HERE, THERE'S A GOODWILL, UH, I BELIEVE IT MAY BE THIS BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN IT'S JUST A REALLY A, A HANDFUL OF VARIOUS SERVICE RETAIL, MOSTLY RESTAURANTS, UM, KIND OF FAST, FAST FOOD CASUAL RESTAURANTS.
UM, THERE'S A C V S PHARMACY, UH, RIGHT HERE.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? AND, AND REAL QUICK ON, UH, I'LL ADD ADD ONE MORE THING JUST 'CAUSE I GOT CLARIFICATION ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
WE'RE OVERALL, WE'RE ABOUT 40 TO 50% ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
[5. 19-6866 (Continued from 09/03/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700146 (Council District 10): A request for a change in zoning from “I-1 AHOD” General Industrial Airport Hazard Overlay District to “L AHOD” Light Industrial Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 14, Block 4, NCB 12574, located at 9010 Tesoro Drive. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, LOCATED AT 90 10 TESORO ROAD IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM I ONE TWO L EIGHT NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ONE BUSINESS OWNER RESPONDED IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND IS ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE?
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JUAN, HOW ARE YOU? UM, SO I GUESS IF YOU COULD DO ME A FAVOR OF THE, THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ON GOOGLE, THAT PROBABLY MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO HERE.YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS I ONE, AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO ONE AND IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE PROPERTY IS, IT'S VERY NARROW, BUT IT'S VERY LONG.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIT A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT IT'S JUST VERY NARROW.
BUT ONCE YOU ON THE PICTURE, IT LOOKS EVEN MORE NARROW.
BUT WHEN ONCE YOU'RE THERE, YOU WILL SEE YOU CAN DO A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE.
BUT, SO THE PROBLEM I GUESS WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS, UH, THE EASEMENT, THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND US.
OKAY? AND I THINK ALL FOUR, THEY, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ABOUT LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, ALL FOUR, THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT HIS EASEMENT.
SO REALLY, OR ALL THREE THAT WERE HERE.
UH, REALLY IT WAS NOTHING ELSE, JUST HIS EASEMENT.
AND, AND I, AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THAT'S A COURT MATTER OR AN AGREEMENT MATTER.
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING BECAUSE LET'S SAY IF I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS A CAR DEALERSHIP, SO PUT ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN THERE, IS IT, IS IT NOT GOING TO BE ACCESS STILL? I'M STILL GONNA USE THE ACCESS.
THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S THE SAME AS STORY, SO IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
AND UM, I DO HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT I'M, I WANT 'EM TO TALK ABOUT IT FIRST AND THEN I'LL COME, UH, YOU KNOW, AND TELL YOU CAR DEALERSHIP VERSUS NOT CAR DEALERSHIP, SO YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT MY PLAN IS.
BUT AS YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, YOU SEE THAT GREEN, UM, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS IS GONNA BE THE OFFICE.
AND YOU KNOW, FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP, WE DON'T NEED MORE THAN 400 TO 500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG ONE.
AND BEFORE I DID THIS ZONING, I DID TALK TO COUNCILMAN BEFORE I EVEN, YOU KNOW, APPLIED FOR IT.
I MADE SURE WE AGREED ON HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
AND YOU KNOW HOW THE SIGN IS, HOW THE LIGHT IS, HOW THE FENCE IS, EVERYTHING.
SO BEFORE I DID THIS, SO WE AGREED ON THIS, SO IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD LOOKING CAR DEALERSHIP.
SO WE'RE GONNA JUST GONNA PUT IT HERE.
AND WE HAVE CUSTOMER PARKING RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR ACCESS.
AND THEN FROM HERE WE JUST WANNA PARK SOME CARS.
SO THIS IS OPEN, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT REALLY THEY, THEY REALLY WANT ME TO DO IS TO GIVE THEM IN WRITING A PIECE OF MY PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN USING IT FOR 25 YEARS, I FIND THAT VERY UNFAIR FOR THEM TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M GONNA DO OVER THERE.
AND IT HAS TO BE WITHIN REASONS.
I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WITHIN REASONS BECAUSE IF I DO ANYTHING IN THIS, I ONE WHICH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS THINGS, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, IF NOT EVEN WORSE.
SO I EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS.
SO I THOUGHT ABOUT, PUT THE OFFICE HERE, PUT, PUT THE FENCE HERE AND CLOSE IT OFF HERE AT NIGHT AND CLOSE THIS ONE HERE AT NIGHT.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE FENCING ALL OVER HERE.
SO WE STILL HAVE THIS, OR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PUT A FENCE, I CAN PUT A, YOU KNOW, FENCE RIGHT HERE AND THEN WE CAN JUST AGREE ON CLOSING IT AT A CERTAIN TIME, YOU KNOW.
SO I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENT TO MAKE IT WORK THE WAY IT IS.
BUT OTHERWISE I EVEN PLANNED TO JUST SEPARATE IT AND LEAVE IT OPEN.
SO I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM.
TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE HERE, YOU GUYS ASKED ME IF I WANT TO POSTPONE IT SO THEY CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH ME.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING I'VE BEEN CALLING THEM.
HE CALLED ME BACK ONCE AND I CALLED HIM WITH THE ANSWER.
I TEXT HIM, HE SAID HE WILL CALL ME LATE YESTERDAY, NO CALLS.
SO NOW I KNOW THE INTENTION WAS TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION, GET MORE PREPARED, AND APPARENTLY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER NOW.
SO I DIDN'T THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED A LAWYER FOR THIS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR EASEMENT.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW TILL THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN COME AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, CITIZENS, UH, CITIZENS, UH, TO BE HEARD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
EMILY WEISLER WITH BROWN ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST PECAN.
UM, JUST TO BE BRIEF TODAY, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE ARE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ISSUES RELATED TO THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR A USED CAR LOT ON A PROPERTY WITH THIS SIZE AND CONFIGURATION, UM, AS WELL AS THE ACCESS ISSUE THAT THE
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APPLICANT ALLUDED TO.UM, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF ISSUES GOING ON, UM, WITH THIS PROPERTY, UM, WITH SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY AT 90 18 TESORO, WHICH IS ONE WITH THE ACCESS ISSUE SPECIFICALLY, AS WELL AS MAJOR CONCERNS FROM SEVERAL OF THE SURROUNDING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, UM, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME, UM, NOR VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE FROM YOU ALL, UM, TO ALLOW FOR HOPEFULLY MORE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WAY WE CAN FIGURE OUT A RESOLUTION FOR ALL INVOLVED PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
THANK YOU DEBORAH MCCLEARY, I HAVE THE PROPERTY AT 89, 34, 38 BROADWAY, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, MY FAMILY USED TO OWN THE, UH, 90 18 TESORO IN 19 75, 44 YEARS AGO.
UM, MY MOTHER, LILLIAN COX, MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH JAMES DEMENT, THE BUILDER AND DEVELOPER FOR THAT 30 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT.
AND IT IS IN, IN FILED AT THE COURTHOUSE.
UH, YES, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THAT BEING HONORED, THE ACCESS EASEMENT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THAT PROPERTY STRIP OF PROPERTY IS NOT VERY FEASIBLE TO, UH, DO THE BUSINESS THAT HE'S SUGGESTING.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A WATER EASEMENT AND ALSO AT AND T EASEMENT ON THAT PROPERTY.
UH, ALSO IT'S RIGHT UNDER THE FLIGHT PATTERN.
AND SO WHENEVER PLANES LEAVE OR COME IN, IT IS A ROARING SOUND.
YOU CANNOT TALK, YOU CANNOT HAVE A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE.
YOU HAVE TO STOP AND WAIT UNTIL THE PLANES DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS, UM, I'M STILL ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO REZONING.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.
THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
UM, UH, MAP SIR, YOU CAN CUT BACK.
AND YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN AND HER CONCERN ABOUT HOW I'M GONNA DO THE BUSINESS OVER THERE, BUT WE, I KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING CARS FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, SO I MEAN, PLANE PASSING BY OR ANYTHING, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT US.
I MEAN, I I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF IT, BUT I WANNA GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE YOU THINK OF A HUNDRED THINGS AND YOU FORGET WHEN YOU COME HERE.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO, UM, OKAY, SO I, I JUST TOLD YOU I FOUND THIS RING ON FUR.
IF SOMEBODY CAN DECIDE WHAT I'M GONNA DO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS A IS OPEN, IT WILL BE OPEN.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEIR CONCERN IS NOT REALLY RIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
IT IS, IT'S JUST BEEN THAT WAY AND I'M GONNA KEEP IT THAT WAY FOR NOW.
BUT IF THEY WANT ME SOME WRITE SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT UNLESS WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT, WHICH I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.
THEY'RE JUST BUYING MORE TIME TO GET MORE PREPARED AND GET IT ALL GOING.
BUT THE QUESTION IS THIS, IF THEY'RE NOT OKAY WITH THE DEALERSHIP WITH THAT ACCESS, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE I'M GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT BUSINESS NOW.
'CAUSE IF I DON'T OCCUPY, I MADE AN INVESTMENT.
SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
I GUESS I, I MADE AN INVESTMENT SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING OVER THERE AND IF I DON'T MAKE IT, SO I HAVE TO RENT IT, OKAY? SO IF I DO RENT IT, LEMME TELL YOU MY FIRST OPTION IS BECAUSE IT'S AN I ONE, I CAN USE IT AS A STORAGE.
SO I PUT OFFICE OVER THERE AND MAKE THIS A WHOLESALE CAR DEALERSHIP.
WHOLESALE MINI IS NOT TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S TO THE DEALERS.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLESALER SENDING THEM TO THE AUCTION, BRING IT BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO LET'S SAY I HAVE A CAR DEALERSHIP.
I CLEAN ALL MY CARS, I MAKE THEM A DETAIL, 'EM, I DO THE MECHANIC WORK AND EVERYTHING, THEN I PARK IT OVER THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO REPRESENT AND SELL IT.
VERSUS SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE HIM TO THE AUCTION, THEY JUST BRING IT WITH AN ACCIDENT WITH THE BUMPER GOING AND THE BROKEN WINDSHIELD, ALL THE STICKERS, DIRTY CARS AND JUST GONNA PUT IT EVERYWHERE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE TRAILER'S GONNA LOAD 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THEM, THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEM.
SO IT'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC.
SO IN CAR BUSINESS THIS SIZE, IF YOU ARE LUCKY, IF YOU ARE LUCKY, YOU GET THREE
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CUSTOMERS PER DAY IF YOU ARE LUCKY.AND OUT OF THOSE THREE, LET'S SAY ALL THREE TEST DRIVE THE CARS, WHAT TRAFFIC IS IT GONNA MAKE? THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE DONUTS OVER THERE OR YOU JUST A TEST DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DRIVE LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON WHO WOULD DRIVE IN THAT TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT OR THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE LOOK OF IT.
IF ANYTHING IN I ONE I WANNA PUT THERE, THINK ABOUT THAT LOOK.
SO JUST, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SO I CAN DO FOOD TRUCK, I CAN PUT TWO FOOD TRUCKS OVER THERE, MAKE A RESTROOM AND MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK BUSINESS.
IS THAT GONNA, YOU KNOW, FIX THE, UH, AXI PROBLEM? IS THAT GOING TO FIX ANYTHING? NO, IT'S GONNA EVEN MAKE IT MORE SO MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING, GOING, COMING, GOING AND THEN GRAVEL AND YOU KNOW, SALES, I MEAN THEIR SALES.
SO I CAN PUT GRAVEL OVER THERE IN THE STORE, 'EM OVER THERE.
DOES IT GONNA LOOK ON THE PROPERTY? NO, OF COURSE NOT.
AND THE STORAGE, I CAN STORE ANYTHING I WANT.
I CAN STORE ANYTHING I WANT OVER THERE.
SO THESE ARE THE CHOICES I HAVE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO TAKE.
I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN A GOOD INTENTION OF DOING SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HOW TO DO.
ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS THE I ONE INDUSTRIAL LOCATION, OKAY? SO WE HAVE BODY SHOP MECHANIC SHOPS, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, I MEAN METAL SHOP ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE PAINT SHOP ON THE OTHER SIDE, PRINTING THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE, CONSTRUCTION OFFICES.
SO THIS IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, LIKE RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I ONE IS ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE FUTURE USED FOR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING INDUSTRIAL AND THEN YOU KNOW, AND LOWER THAN I ONE.
SO WE ARE GOING AS IS PLANNED.
SO AT THE END, I DON'T WANNA TALK TOO MUCH AT THE END, I JUST WANNA SAY I BELIEVE IN THE SYSTEM.
OKAY? I BELIEVE THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS ARE HELD FOR A REASON.
OKAY? JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE ME THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, WE CAN'T JUST SAY NO, YOU'RE HERE AS PROFESSIONALS.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CITY AND THAT'S WHY I TRUST IN THE SYSTEM AND I LET YOU GUYS DECIDE.
SO THE THING ABOUT IT IS, UM, IF YOU COULD, UM, WRAP IT UP
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.
SO I JUST LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS.
OTHERWISE YOU WOULD'VE TOOK YOUR BOAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND SAY IN YES OR NO, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WASTE YOUR TIME OR MINE OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, THANK YOU.
YEAH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, UH, FOR WHAT HE'S DOING.
UH, I'M VERY MUCH, UH, IN SUPPORT OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT HERE IN OUR CITY.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH GREAT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I APPLAUD ALL ENTREPRENEURS FOR, UH, TAKING THE RISK, AS YOU SAID, INVESTING IN AND SEEKING TO, UH, TO START NEW BUSINESSES.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, THAT DOES HAVE TO BE BALANCED SOMETIMES WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, AS I'VE TALKED TO, UM, MANY OF THE FOLKS AROUND YOUR PROPOSED LOT AND, AND, AND THEY DO OPPOSE IT.
HOWEVER, I'M OPTIMISTIC AFTER TALKING WITH YOU, UH, TODAY, AS WELL AS TALKING WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS THAT, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THERE'S A POTENTIAL AGREEMENT OUT THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE'VE NOW HEARD THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE REPRESENTED, UH, BY BROWN AND ORTIZ.
AND SO I'M, I'M EVEN MORE OPTIMISTIC NOW THAT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT IS GONNA BE REACHED.
UM, THAT'S WHY, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I, I MOVE TO, UH, CONTINUE, UM, THIS MATTER, UH, FOR 30 DAYS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT PUTS IT ON THE, UH, OCTOBER 15TH, UH, MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, ON THE FLOOR FOR CONTINUANCE.
UM, WE, UH, I'M GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, ANYBODY ON THE LEFT? OKAY.
OKAY, SO THIS WOULD NORMALLY KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH FINE UNTIL THE QUESTION CAME UP THAT THE ACCESS TO, I THINK IT'S 98 10 IS AT THE ADDRESS BEHIND THAT FENCE.
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BROADWAY TO GET BACK TO THEIR OFFICES? WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT REALLY BECAUSE THE, THE ACCESS THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THEIR PLAN OR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, BUT I CAN SEE THERE'S, THEY DO HAVE ACCESS, CORRECT.SO YOU CAN PULL IN OFF OF BROADWAY AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN DOWN? YEAH, IT CAN PASS THIS WHERE YOU COME HERE, RIGHT HERE.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOT LANDLOCKED IN ANY WAY? NO.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE THIS ALLEY RIGHT HERE.
THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, ACCESS FROM HERE.
SO, BUT THEY JUST INSTEAD THEY JUST BLOCKED IT AND THEY'RE USING THIS, YOU KNOW, SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE USING THE ACCESS OFF OF TORO, WHICH IT GOES BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY.
OR I MEAN, IT KIND OF CUTS BETWEEN, BUT THEY HAVE OTHER WAYS TO ACCESS THEIR OFFICES.
WELL, YEAH, TWO BROADWAY ONE RIGHT HERE FROM THE BACK.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY, THEY, THERE'S NOT A DOOR OR ANYTHING OR A GATE.
BUT THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE ACCESS.
THEY CAN, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE CONTINUANCE ALL THE WAY FOR 30 DAYS? WELL, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED 30 DAYS? I SPOKE TO HIM, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I CHANGED MY MIND BECAUSE, UH, I THINK ONE MONTH IS TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE, WE POSTPONED IT TWO WEEKS AGO TO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND THEN ANOTHER MONTH FROM TWO WEEKS.
SO IT IS, IF THEY WANNA MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH ME, WE, WE CAN TALK TOMORROW AND RESOLVE IT OR NOT RESOLVE WHATEVER THE SITUATION.
WE DON'T NEED ONE MONTH TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW? SO THE, I THINK THE INTENTION IS TO GATHER, TO GET PREPARED, COME NEXT TIME, COME HERE EVEN THE STRONGER AND, YOU KNOW, AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS AND REASONS.
SO THAT'S THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT.
I THINK TWO WEEKS IS, IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.
DO YOU ASK FOR THE CONTINUANCE TO BE 30 DAYS? UH, WHO ASKED FOR THE, WHO WANTED THE CONTINUANCE FOR 30 DAYS? I, I BELIEVE MADE THE COMMISSIONER DOES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE TO EACH OTHER.
AND I AGREE, THOSE, THOSE IN OPPOSITION WANT 30 DAYS.
SO TWO, TWO WEEKS I THINK WOULD BE FAIR AND REASONABLE TO, FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH ME OR TALK TO ME OR, SO WE CAN FIX THIS AND 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TIME.
WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR NO REASON.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING.
AND THEN JUST TO, UH, ADDRESS THE OTHER OPPOSITION ABOUT HOW MANY CARS DO YOU ANTICIPATE? SO, SO THESE ARE BEING DIS THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE GONNA PAR PULL IN FROM TASSO AND JUST PARK UP ON THAT? YEAH.
SO CURB, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA COME FROM THIS AND WE'RE GONNA PARK 'EM ON RIGHT HERE.
SO TECHNICALLY YOU CAN ONLY PARK ABOUT 20 CARS.
I THINK IT WAS 30 CARS IN GENERAL, LIKE ALL TOGETHER OR SOMETHING.
SO WE, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND HOW MANY CARS WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE.
SO WE AGREED ON IT AND HE WAS OKAY WITH IT.
SO WE ARE NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, LIKE, CAR DEALERSHIP WITH FULL OF CARS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S JUST WE SELL CARS.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT ON THE CARS? WE AVERAGE FROM SEVEN TO 15,000.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A VERY HIGH-END CAR.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A VERY CHEAP CAR.
WE WANT TO GO OUR, YOU KNOW, GAME PLAN IS TO GO 2014 AND UP.
SO THEY'RE CLEANER CARS, BUT THEY'RE AFFORDABLE SO PEOPLE CAN BUY 'EM AND, UH, MAKE IT EASIER.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UH, SO THE CASE MANAGER DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH RELATED TO THAT ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON.
UM, IF YOU, MICHAEL, DO YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND USE THE MAP TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE THIS EASEMENT IS ACTUALLY ON? YEAH, SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY LOOK AT EASEMENTS TOO MUCH.
SO I TOOK SOME TIME IN DIGGING INTO THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT, UM, IN THE BEXAR COUNTY RECORDS THAT TALKS ABOUT AN AGRE, AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN 1974, ENTERED INTO THE RECORD IN 1986.
BUT, UM, THIS, THIS SEEMS TO MAKE REFERENCE TO LOT 13.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY, IF WE CAN GET THE ZONING APP, I'LL SHOW YOU.
THIS IS LOT 14 THE APPLICANT'S LOT.
I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT, OH, THIS IS, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS ONE IS 14, THIS WHOLE LONG STRIP HERE, AND IT HAS A PLA SOMEWHERE BEFORE THAT TIME, I BELIEVE.
BUT, UM, THIS LAW, THIS DOCUMENT MAKES REFERENCE TO LOT 12 AND LOT 13.
LOT 12 WAS REPRESENTED IN THIS, UH, AGREEMENT BY LILLIAN COX AND JAMES D DEMENT I BELIEVE WAS FOR LOT 13.
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IT DOESN'T, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO EXHIBIT A AND THERE'S NO MAP INCLUDED IN BEXAR COUNTY RECORD, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY REFERENCE TO LOT 14.AND SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS EASEMENT, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO AN ACCESS EASEMENT AT AN OPENING OF THE FENCE ON THE LOT, ON TWO LOT 13 OF 30 FEET.
UM, THAT GIVES 13 THE RIGHT TO CROSS 12, BUT, UM, IT MAKES NO REFERENCE TO LOT 14.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE JUST BEEN TRYING TO DIG INTO HERE WITH THIS ACCESS AGREEMENT THAT Y'ALL CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IF YOU LIKE.
BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ACCESS, UH, ANY REVERENCE TO LOT 14 IN ACCESS, BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT A 30 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT, BUT THAT SEEMS TO INDICATE MORE 13, ACCESSING THROUGH 12 ON A 30 FOOT EASEMENT OFF OF BROADWAY.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU, MS. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NOT REALLY A QUESTION MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE APPLICANT SAY TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, MY MOTION WAS FOR FOUR WEEKS.
UH, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS US COME BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, TWO WEEKS WASN'T ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU ENTER SOME SORT OF NEGOTIATIONS, MAYBE SOMEBODY'S FAMILY MEMBER GETS SICK AND THE MEETING GETS CANCELED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, EVERYBODY'S GOT BUSY SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, YOU DO AS A, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AS DO THE FOLKS, UH, UH, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE BROWN AND ORTIZ FOLKS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I I WOULD SUGGEST FOUR WEEKS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE NEGOTIATIONS CAN HAPPEN WITHIN FOUR WEEKS.
AND THAT, UH, A DEAL, WHICH AGAIN, I'M OPTIMISTIC, UH, WILL HAPPEN, UH, CAN TAKE PLACE.
UM, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WELL, THE MO THE MOTION HAS, AND, UM, WELL, BEFORE, I GUESS I HAVE A COMMENT.
I, I WOULD BE AMENABLE SINCE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY AGREED TO THE FIRST TWO WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO HIM BECAUSE IT'LL JUST GO TO COUNSEL.
SO I WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, GOING WITH THE TWO WEEKS.
BUT, UM, IF THAT, I GUESS THAT'S THE ENDS OF THE DISCUSSION.
FIRST, WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM, UH, ONE PERSON WHO VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION, AND THEN A NEW MOTION CAN BE MADE.
I THINK A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO RECONSIDER.
MOTION PASSES NOW THAT IT'S OPEN FOR A NEW MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THE CASE BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE DATE.
THAT WOULD BE FOR OCTOBER 1ST, OCTOBER 1ST.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, FOR CONTINUANCE, UM, TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING WITH THE SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
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ROMERO, UM, CAN STAFF JUST VERIFY, UH, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE RIGHT NOW AND IT GETS PASSED, THE APPLICANT IS STILL FREE TO INVOKE THE TWO MEETINGS WITHOUT A MOTION AND GO STRAIGHT TO COUNSEL.AND SO I WOULD, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THEN THE ZONING COMMISSION'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MOVED FORWARD AS A DENIAL DUE TO LACK OF A MOTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF THAT.
I I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
SO ARE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT IF WE FAIL TO COME TO ANY VOTE OR IF WE VOTE FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE, THAT YOU'RE FREE TO NOW JUST SAY, I'M NOT COMING BACK TO ZONING COMMISSION EVER, I'M GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN IT GOES AS A DENIAL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT OPTION.
NO, I, I REALLY DO WANT YOU ALL SUPPORT ON THIS.
SO I, I, I, OKAY, SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THE OPTION? YES.
I, I CAN'T PROBABLY DO THAT, BUT YES, I REALLY WANT THIS TO GO THROUGH HERE AND, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR SUPPORT BEFORE WE GO WITH IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KAMATH? I, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT THAT, UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO WANTS TO USE THE PROPERTY, UH, AND HE'S, HE IS IN FRONT OF US FOR REZONING AND THE ISSUES ABOUT THE EASEMENTS ARE TO BE DECIDED IN ANOTHER, ANOTHER VENUE IN A COURTHOUSE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE APPLICANT FOR THE REZONING JUST WITHIN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
AND JUST CLARIFICATION, THE ROLL CALL VOTE IS APPROVAL FOR CONTINUANCE, UM, TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING, CORRECT.
[1. 19-7089 Election of Vice Chair and Pro-Tem (if necessary)]
UM, DELAYED ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS, UM, THE ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR AND, UM, PRO TEMP IF NECESSARY.SO, UM, THE THOUGHT IS, OF COURSE, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THE CHAIR, WE WOULD NEED A, A VICE CHAIR RIGHT AWAY.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION SINCE WE HAVE NEWER, UH, MEMBERS, UM, THE VICE CHAIR WAS MORE OF A NECESSITY, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE THE, UM, NEW MEMBERS, I GUESS TIME.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE VICE CHAIR ELECTION TODAY, AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HOLD THE ELECTION FOR THE PRO TIM.
UM, UM, I, I'M PRAYING NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME, BUT
YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE LESS MINOR THINGS THERE, BUT
UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WAS THAT A, IS THAT A DISCUSSION TODAY? SO WE'LL VOTE VICE CHAIR.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER VOTING PRO TAM OR IS THAT THIS THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR? UM, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A PRELIMINARY.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY YET.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AS LONG AS WE DON'T, UH, TAKE TOO LONG.
'CAUSE WE GOTTA MOVE ON WITH THE MEETING.
SO LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HURRY UP AND GET THE VICE CHAIR, UM, POSITION, UM, ELECTION GOING.
AND ALSO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE AN ELECTION, UM, PROPOSE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S RATHER SIMPLE AND EASY FOR US TO DO FOR ELECTIONS AS OPPOSED TO THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, BUT, OKAY.
LET'S DO THE VICE CHAIR AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PRO TEMP, PLEASE.
SO, UH, NOW WE'LL JUST TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR FOR, UH, VICE CHAIR.
UM, I NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER JOHN BUSANTE FOR VICE CHAIR.
SO, UH, WE'LL DO A VOICE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AS VICE CHAIR SAY, AYE.
SO, CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, YOU'RE NOW VICE CHAIR, WHICH NOW MEANS WE HAVE NO, UH, PRO TE SO WE HAD DISCUSSION IN THE WORK SESSION, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO HAVE IT NOW OR LATER.
ANY COMMISSIONERS, UM, ON MY LEFT? ANY DISCUSSION? UM,
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I THINK WE CAN, UM, NOMINATE THE, UH, PROCHAIR NOW.ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, COMMISSIONER, UH, ROMERO.
UM, I CAN SAY THIS AS BEING OUTSIDE OF THIS BECAUSE I DID MY TIME AS CHAIR, SO I'M NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANYTHING.
UM, I, I THINK NOT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING SO FAST AND WE HAVE A, UM, I THINK THREE PEOPLE ABSENT NOW AND WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE.
I ALSO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO, ON YOUR VERY FIRST ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING TO HAVE AN ELECTION, AND I WAS HERE FOR AN UGLY ONE, MY FIRST MEETING.
THIS ONE'S NICE COMPARED TO THAT.
UH, SO I, I JUST DON'T SEE THE HARM IN WAITING THE NEXT TIME.
AND MADAM CHAIR, I, I, I THINK I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROMEO THAT THERE'S NO HARM AND A GREAT DEAL OF BENEFIT IN POTENTIALLY WAITING TO DETERMINE THE PRO TEM TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
AND IF I COULD JUST ON THE TIMING, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHAIR WILL BE OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING SO LONG, SO, SO LONG AS THE VICE CHAIR IS PRESENT, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN, UM, RUN THE MEETING AND THEN WE CAN DO THE PRO TEM THE ELECTION ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO THAT WAY WE HAVE, UH, TWO OFFICIANTS OVER THE MEETING.
ANYBODY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THAT? OKAY.
SO THAT WILL BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING.
AND, UM, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE WILL BE VERY BLESSED TO BE HERE.
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON WITH THE COMBINED HEARING.
I WANT TO JUST, UH, CHIME IN VERY QUICKLY TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT, UH, IF MR. JOHN, WHO IS THIS? JOHN HEN HENDRON AND JENNIFER NAGER.
ARE YOU STILL HERE IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY.
THEY, THEY WERE SIGNED UP ON A POSTPONED ITEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD 'CAUSE WE HAD SOMEBODY COME UP A WHILE AGO TO CHECK DID MY ITEM HAPPEN
SO, UH, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT IN THE AUDIENCE, WE ARE GOOD TO GO.
SO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, MICHAEL.
[8. 19-6797 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700149 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 H UC-5 AHOD" General Commercial Monte Vista Historic McCullough Avenue Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District and "C-3 H AHOD" General Commercial Monte Vista Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 H UC-5 AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Monte Vista Historic McCullough Avenue Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for five (5) dwelling units and uses permitted in “C-2” Commercial District and "IDZ-2 H AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Monte Vista Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District with five (5) dwelling units and uses permitted in “C-2” Commercial District on the east 2 feet of Lot 7 and the west 48 feet of Lot 8, NCB 1885, located at 107 West Ashby Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
GOOD AFTERNOON.MICHAEL PEPE PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, LOCATED AT 1 0 7 WEST ASHBY IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND C TWO USES 25 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
THREE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
THE MONTE VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
10 PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONDED IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M REPRESENTATIVE OF UH, ISAAC LEY.
AND UH, I'M HERE FOR THE CHANGE OF, UH, THIS PROPERTY FROM C THREE TO A FIVE RESIDENTIAL, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY.
AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT, IT'S THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, UH, IT'S BETTER FOR THAT USE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS FOUR UNITS IN THE BACK, IN THE MAIN HOUSE IN THE FRONT.
UH, COMMERCIAL WISE IT'LL BE WAY HARDER BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARKING SPACE AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, THE LANDLORD TRIED TO RENT THEM FOR COMMERCIAL REQUESTED AT LEAST 10, 10 SPACES FOR PARKING.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE, SO I'LL STAY NEARBY.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? FRANK GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY TONY GARCIA.
UM, MY WIFE, UH, JENNIFER GUS GONZALEZ, MYSELF AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD SON, MAX LIVE AT ONE 10 WEST FRENCH.
SO WE'RE DIAGONALLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE 200 FEET, UH, UH, HOME.
SO WE LIVE, UH, IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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UH, I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST TO REZONE THE HISTORIC HOME TO AN IDZ TWO.WE FEEL THAT THE I D Z ZONING IS EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE FOR THIS HISTORIC AREA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION.
THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED TO THE ZONING APPLICATION FOR I D Z TWO WAS C TWO PERMITTED USES.
WE BELIEVE THE REQUEST TO BE TOO OPEN-ENDED AND FRAUGHT WITH TOO MANY FUTURE UNKNOWNS FOR OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
I D Z ZONING PROVIDES FLEXIBLE STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS USED TO ENCOURAGE AND FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT ON VACANT BYPASS LANDS OR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED STRUCTURES WITHIN EXISTING BUILT AREAS.
THE 1 0 7 WEST ASHBY LOT DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE ABOVE, DESPITE ITS CURRENT C THREE ZONING.
1 0 7 WEST ASHBY PLACE IS DESCRIBED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILT IN 1910 WITH FOUR PREEXISTING DWELLING UNITS AT THE REAR OF THE LOT, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS APARTMENTS IN SHORT-TERM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IT'S NOT VACANT, NOR IS THE LOT UNDERUTILIZED.
THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE FOR I D Z.
WE FEEL I D Z IS TOO INTENSE ZONING AND OPENS THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD TO A STANDARD THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE NOW, NOR IN THE FUTURE, DESPITE A HISTORIC OVERLAY OR A REVIEW OF MAJOR AMENDMENTS TO A SITE PLAN.
UNDER THE CURRENT I D Z, THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE PROTECTION FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OWNER IS REQUESTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE ASSOCIATION IS NOT OPPOSED TO SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WE ONLY ASK THAT THERE BE A LEVEL OF PROTECTION FOR OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
WE THEREFORE WOULD SUPPORT A CT ZONING A C TWO ZONING WITHOUT I D Z.
WE WOULD SEE THIS AS AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION FOR THE APPLICANT IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT AND RESPECTFULLY DENY UH, RESPECT.
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A CURRENT APPLICATION OF I IDZ TWO WITH C TWO PERMITTED USES BE DENIED.
WE ASK THE CITY FOR AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION TO THIS ZONING REQUEST THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE I D Z.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, DID YOU HAVE REBUTTAL OR IT IN RESPONSE TO THE, UM, NEIGHBORS? THAT'S A CORRECTION.
THE FOUR UNITS IN THE BACK ARE NO SHORTER.
UH, ALL THE FOUR ARE RENTAL, UH, SIX MONTHS AND UP.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ONE YEAR NOW.
I BELIEVE THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE INCIDENT.
OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT, MR. FABIAN, IN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, HE LIKED THE IDEA.
I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
UM, AND TO THE, THE FOLKS WHO TOOK THE TIME TO COME AND SPEAK, UM, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, EITHER FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT, WHOEVER THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR.
UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY? WE, WE GO OFF THE SITE PLAN, THE I D Z SITE PLAN, AND THAT STATES THE FOUR.
AND SO IN AN I D Z DESIGNATION, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH, UH, CONSIDERING THE 50% REDUCTION.
SO WE HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACES BECAUSE IT, I SEE THE THREE THAT ARE KIND OF TO THE RIGHT TOWARDS THE BACK AND THOSE LOOK TO BE THE SAME.
BUT THEN THE, I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE PARKING AREA KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IT'S, IT'S ENTIRELY A, IF YOU LOOK AT THE IMAGERY, IT'S AN ALL PAVED AREA BACK THERE BEHIND THE HOUSE, SORT OF, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO THERE'S A, I I GUESS IT'S A COMMON DRIVE, BUT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, BEHIND THAT PROPERTY IN THAT PAVED AREA, THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ROOM FOR ANOTHER SPACE.
SO THERE'S LIKE FOUR SPACES? YES.
UM, ANOTHER, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO C TWO USES AND ESSENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE UNITS HERE.
SO WE COULD HAVE A COMBINATION
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OF THOSE TWO USES AT THE SAME TIME.SO WE COULD HAVE PART OF, I ASSUME THE FRONT BUILDING, WHICH IS LABELED COMMERCIAL USES, PART OF THAT COULD BE USED FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, BUT THEN PART OF THAT COULD ALSO BE USED AS A RESIDENTIAL USE AS ONE OF THE FIVE UNITS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S, IT'S LABELED THAT WAY ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO IT'S, THEY HAVE TO KEEP HIM TO THOSE SPACES, BUT YES, AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS.
UH, FOR E FOR ANY COMMERCIAL USE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN, PULL A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND MEET THE MI UH, MINIMUM 50% REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING.
SO YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO COMMERCIAL USES, EACH OF THOSE USES HAS A STANDARD.
AND COULD I ALSO GET, UM, STAFF TO EXPLAIN, SORRY, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENT APPLICATION, UM, FOR TYPE TWO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON MULTI-FAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY LOTS? YES.
SO WHEN WE, AS, AS WE KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE, A PROPERTY WITH FIVE UNITS ON IT FOR PURPOSES OF S T R, IT'S MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO IT COUNTS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
IT, IT, TO SOME DEGREE IT COUNTS OUTSIDE OF THE BLOCK FACE CALCULATION.
THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW WE CALCULATE DENSITY ON ANY S T R APPLICATION THAT WE PROCESS.
AND FURTHER CODE IN THE S T R SECTION STATES THAT THERE'S ONE, ONE UNIT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN A PROPERTY BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN UNITS.
THERE'S ONE DESIGNATED BY WRIGHT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, OR EXCUSE ME, AS THERE'S MORE UNITS AND MORE PERHAPS POTENTIAL STR, IT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IN A PROPERTY BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN UNITS, THERE'S ONE DESIGNATED BY, RIGHT.
LET ME KIND OF HELP CLARIFY THE BEGINNING OF THAT.
SO SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS FOR AND UNDER, UM, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW A TYPE TWO, WHICH MEANS NON-OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THE BLOCK FACE, WHICH IS THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, IS CONSIDERED TO DETERMINE, UM, IF IT EXCEEDS MORE THAN 12.5% OF ALL THOSE UNITS ON THAT BLOCK FACE.
UH, THEN IT REQUIRES AN EXTRA STEP TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
MULTIFAMILY IS CONSIDERED SEPARATELY PER THE ORDINANCE.
MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED 12.5% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE LOT.
SO MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ARE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
UH, SO THEY'RE ALLOWED, LIKE YOU SAID, ON THE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY, WHICH IS FIVE OR MORE UNITS ACCORDING TO OUR U D C, UH, IT IS ALLOWED ONE BY.
AND THEN ANY OTHERS WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
SO AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY USES THE ENTIRE BLACK FACE FOR THE 12.5 DENSITY THRESHOLD.
MULTIFAMILY IS THE 12.5 OF THE LOT ITSELF, OR ONE BY RIGHT.
IF IT'S FIVE, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT WOULD BE 20, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET ONE BY RIGHT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S EIGHT, THEN WE GO TO THE 12.5% OF JUST THAT LOT OF, JUST THAT LOT.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US, SO, SO YOU SAID THE, THE FOUR BACK UNITS ARE CURRENTLY RENTED ON LONG-TERM LEASES AND THEN THE FRONT HOUSE.
HOW IS THAT BEING USED? UH, WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE BUILDING, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AIRBNB.
UH, WE DIDN'T, UH, GET ENOUGH NIGHTS PER MONTH TO MAKE IT WORTH BEING AIRBNB.
SO RIGHT NOW WE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET IT TRENDED FOR LONG TERM AS WELL.
AND THE BACK UNIT, WE ALREADY GOT IT TRENDED FOR, UH, LONG TERM.
AND THE HOUSE ACTUALLY IS, UH, FOR SALE AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
AND WE THINKING IT'LL BE EASIER TO SELL IT WHEN IT'LL BE LIKE THAT THAN THE COMMERCIAL.
THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE IS NOT GOOD FOR COMMERCIAL.
ALL THE ROOMS ARE IN THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO LAWYER, DENTIST, THEY WANT TO HAVE OFFICES ON THE FIRST FLOOR MAINLY, AND THEY NEED AT LEAST, UH, 10 PARKING SPACES.
IT'S MAKE IT, UH, VERY COMPLICATED.
SO THERE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT PLANS FOR COMMERCIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW NOTICES OF OPPOSITION THAT WERE SENT.
UM, HAVE YOU DONE ANY, UM, HAVE YOU MADE ANY ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM? HAVE YOU DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE OFFICE? UH, WE CALLED LIKE THREE, FOUR TIMES, UH, LEFT VOICEMAILS, UH, NO
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RESPONSE.AND ALSO, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE? HAVE YOU, UH, HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM AT ALL ABOUT, UM, ABOUT ANY OF THE OPPOSITION OR ANYTHING? UH, NO.
UM, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UM, COMMISSIONER.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID? 'CAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
WERE YOU SAYING YOU CALLED THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE AND GOT VOICEMAIL REPEATEDLY, OR THAT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE? NO, I WANTED TO THIS, UH, ASSOCIATION.
AS SOON AS MICHAEL TOLD US ABOUT IT, WE USUALLY, I'M TRYING TO, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH IT, SO.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, AND, AND I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, CAN JUST HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS DYNAMIC A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THE ALLOWING THE COMMERCIAL USE AND THE PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT, I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WOULD, WHAT FEASIBLY THEY COULD USE THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS FOR.
SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA DEPEND ON THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S BEING UTILIZED FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE.
SO EVERY COMMERCIAL USE THAT COMES INTO A STRUCTURE HAS TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IN THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY REVIEW, UH, PARKING IS TRIGGERED.
AND SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT THE, THE PARKING IS REQUIRED.
SO I D Z I D Z TWO, I BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT, I D Z TWO WAVES UP TO 50%.
SO IF A, A USE A COMMERCIAL USE REQUIRES, UH, ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 200 SQUARE, UH, SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA, UM, THEN WE DIVIDE THAT BY HALF AND THAT'S THE REQUIRED SPACES, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT SPACE AS OFF STREET PARKING.
THE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS OFF STREET PARKING IN ORDER TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THERE'S OTHER WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN MEET THAT THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PARKING PLAN WITHIN 500 FEET OR A, UM, WHAT WE CALL A PARKING WAIVER THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND THE PARKING WAIVER ONLY APPLIES TO THAT PARTICULAR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
AGAIN, IT'S PULLING OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TRIGGERING THAT PARKING REVIEW, BUT IT SHORT OF THEM DOING THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, BUT JUST IN THEORY, YOU COULD COME UP WITH SOME C TWO USES THAT AFTER GOING THROUGH THAT FORMULA, THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH PARKING ON SITE OFF STREET FOR IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE USING FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE.
SO I GUESS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL QUESTIONS CAME BECAUSE THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY AN AIRBNB AND SO, UM, I GUESS THIS IS TO THE APPLICANT.
SO YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANY MORE SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL AT ALL? UH, RIGHT NOW IT IS LISTED ON ZILLOW FOR LONG TERM AND IT'S OPEN ON AIRBNB FOR 30 DAYS AND, AND UP.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S, WE USE AIRBNB PLATFORM, BUT FOR LONG TERM IT'S CONSIDERED MORE THAN 30 DAYS.
IT'S BECOME A LONG-TERM ON AIRBNB.
KIND OF LIKE IT'S, SO YOU HAVE IT ON AIRBNB AS A LONG-TERM RENTAL, 30 DAYS.
THEY CAN BOOK IT FOR 30 DAYS AND UP.
THOSE APPS ARE, CAN BE TYPICALLY USED FOR LONG-TERM AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND JUST TO REMIND, UH, THE COMMISSION, THE FOUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THERE IS A PERMIT PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT, WHICH TRIGGERS OUR REVIEW, WHICH TRIGGERS OUR REVIEW OF THE DENSITY THRESHOLD.
AGAIN, THIS ONE, THIS PROPERTY IS ONLY ALLOWED ONE BY.
ANY OTHERS WOULD REQUIRE A NE THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IF HE OR ANY OF FUTURE OWNERS WISH TO ADD ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S ALMOST A NON-DISCUSSION BASICALLY.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? RIGHT.
UH, IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A CONTINUANCE TO DISCUSS FURTHER WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THEIR CONCERNS? LIKE, WE COULD DO A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS.
WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THAT? UH, YES.
IT'LL HAVE TO BE MORE THAN FOUR WEEKS.
UH, RELIGION WISE, WE GOT A BIG, UH, MONTH OF HOLIDAYS.
I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN ISRAEL, SO PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T GET FROM THE MANY LETTER FOR ANY VIOLATION OR PROBLEM THAT'VE BEEN, UH, FOR THE LAST PAST YEAR.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO, TO GO FARTHER THE, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH IT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE CONTACTING US AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE
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PAST.SO THEN YOU'RE NOT SORRY, I DIDN'T, IT WASN'T TOTALLY CLEAR.
SO YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING A CONTINUANCE OR YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE A CONTINUANCE UNTIL NOVEMBER? YES, WE CAN DO CONTINUANCE IF YOU LIKE AND IF THEY LIKE.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, IT WON'T BE LIKE I SAID, UNTIL AT LEAST NOVEMBER.
OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE WOULD BE FOR THAT.
SO I, THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS CASE UNTIL NOVEMBER THE FIFTH SECOND.
UM, ANY, UH, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR A CONTINUANCE UNTIL NOVEMBER 5TH WITH THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? ALL RIGHT.
OKAY, LET'S DO A 10 MINUTE BREAK PLEASE.
I CALL THIS, UH, HEARING BACK INTO SESSION.
I CAN DO THIS FOR YOU, MICHAEL.
[13. 19-6794 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700180 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Limited Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for three (3) dwelling units on Lot 2, Block 3, NCB 829, located at 804 East Euclid Avenue. Staff recommends Denial. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
OKAY.ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE AT 8 0 4 EAST EUCLID AVENUE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS.
AND NOW I HAVE TO FLIP, FLIP BACK IN MY NOTEBOOK.
THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED 11 RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM TOBIN HILL.
THE SUB SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UM, IN THE MIDTOWN REGIONAL CENTER PLAN AND IT'S DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL MIXED USE.
SO THE REQUESTED I D Z BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE.
THE PROPOSED I D Z ADDS DENSITY NOT ALREADY ESTABLISHED WITHIN THIS BLOCK.
FACE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M ONE OF THE TWO OWNERS OF 8 0 4 EAST EUCLID.
UM, WE HAVE REQUESTED, UH, ZONING CHANGE, AS YOU KNOW, FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE, UM, TO START THIS PROCESS.
IT STARTED IN JULY AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME POSTPONEMENTS WITH THE MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH EXACTLY HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH IT, BUT I WANTED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, I WENT DOWN HERE TO THE OFFICE.
UM, SHE WAS FANTASTIC IN HELPING ME FILL OUT MY APPLICATION FOR BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING AT THE TIME.
UM, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT I NOTIFIED CHRISSY MCCAIN AND SARAH VIA EMAIL, UM, THE D ONE ZONING COMMISSION WITH, UH, MY SITE PLAN, MY APPLICATION, UM, ASKED THEM IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY NEEDED.
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THEY HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.I'D ANSWERED 'EM, THEY WERE SUFFICIENT WITH THAT.
UM, AFTER THAT WE STARTED TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE DO OWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AT 8 0 2 EAST EUCLID.
UM, ALSO AT FIVE 16 WILMINGTON.
MY FAMILY OWNS 7 23 EAST EUCLID AS WELL.
UM, WE TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS 'CAUSE WE'VE KNOWN THEM FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
UH, WE HAD A PETITION SIGNED IN JULY BY 15 OF THOSE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
PRIOR TO THEM GETTING THE ZONING LETTERS, I BELIEVE MICHAEL ENTERED THAT IN AS WELL.
UM, AND UH, AFTER THAT I WENT AND MET WITH THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
SO I MET WITH CODY, THE PRESIDENT.
UH, HE INSTRUCTED ME TO VISIT WITH RICK, WHO'S THE HEAD OF ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE CHAIR.
UM, WE SET A MEETING ON JULY 23RD.
TWO OF HIS MEMBERS SHOWED UP, UH, INCLUDING RICK MADE THREE.
UM, WE SHOWED THEM OUR SITE PLAN.
WE WENT OVER EVERYTHING THAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH JUST THE THREE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES.
WE EXPLAINED HOW THE BLOCK FACE OF TOBIN HILL, UH, WAS NOT EXCLUSIVELY SINGLE FAMILY ANYMORE AT THE CORNER OF ST.
UM, AND EUCLID, UH, THERE WAS THE I D Z ALREADY APPROVED FOR SHIPPING CONTAINER CONDOMINIUM TYPE REGIME.
BY, BY, UH, LIMITLESS CONSTRUCTION DIRECTLY BEHIND US IS I D Z ON 8 0 7, 8 11 8 15.
UM, TO THE LEFT, IT'S 7 22 IS COMMERCIAL LAW OFFICE.
UH, SEVEN 16, THERE'S A FLOWER SHOP.
IT GOES DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO, UM, RIVER AUTHORITY, AND THEN A PARKING GARAGE FOR THE HOSPITAL ACROSS THE STREET THERE ON EUCLID AS WELL, NEAR THE CORNER OF WILMINGTON.
UM, AFTER EXPLAINING HIM WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO, WE HAD HIS, HIS SUPPORT.
UM, HE SAID HE WOULD WRITE A LETTER FOR US PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, UM, EXPLAINING THAT THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTED OUR PLANS AND HAD REVIEWED OUR PLANS WITH US.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY AT 3:00 PM YESTERDAY WHEN I HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT LETTER, HE HAD SAID THAT THERE WAS NOW SOME NEW OPPOSITION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND THAT HE WOULD NO LONGER BE SUPPORTING IT, NOR WOULD THEY BE OPPOSING IT.
THEY JUST WERE NO LONGER TAKING A STANCE.
UM, AGAIN, 11 OF THE APPLICANT, 11 OF THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THE LETTERS HAVE, HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH IT.
WE'VE TALKED TO ALL THE DIRECT NEIGHBORS.
WE ARE TWO OF THE DIRECT NEIGHBORS THERE.
UM, AND WE ASK YOUR SUPPORT, UH, FOR THIS REZONING.
UH, YOU MIGHT STAY NEARBY JUST IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
IS THERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
UH, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS TONY CORTEZ, FOLLOWED BY RALPH CORTEZ.
UM, ALBERT ARIA, FOLLOWED BY, I HAVE RALPH ON HERE ANOTHER TIME.
I OWN THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY FROM THE SUBJECT LOT, UH, AT 8 0 1 EAST EUCLID DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT.
UH, 8 0 4 EAST EUCLID HAS ALWAYS BEEN SINGLE FAMILY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
WHY CHANGE IT NOW? UH, AND ON THAT SAME BLOCK, THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN OVER SIX HOUSES.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED AT THE CORNER OF ST.
MARY'S AND EUCLID AND AROUND THE CORNER ON ELMIRA.
THREE OTHER HOUSES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED.
UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS FAST DISAPPEARING AND WE ARE LOSING OUR CHARACTER HERE IN TOBAN HILL.
DO WE REALLY WANNA HAVE A STONE OAK TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOBAN HILL? AND PLEASE DON'T RE RESUME THESE NEW TOWN HOMES.
I THOUGHT THERE'RE JUST GONNA BE TWO STORY.
THEY'RE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE THE AREA.
I THINK SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR THE REZONING ARE ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA TOWER OVER ALL THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES IN THAT AREA, RIGHT ON THAT SAME BLOCK.
AND A LOT OF THE OLD HOMES, THEY'RE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
AND NOW THE SETBACKS, UH, MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YOU COULD BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONT SIDEWALK.
SO WHEN PEOPLE WALK OUT THE FRONT DOOR, THEY'RE GONNA SEE A BIG WALL NEXT DOOR AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF THE STREET SCAPE.
UM, AND THEN POSING HEIGHT OF AROUND 35 FEET.
I MEAN, THINK OF ABOUT IF YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBOR KNOCKED DOWN HIS HOUSE AND PUT A STRUCTURE OUTSIDE YOUR FRONT DOOR, 35 FEET HIGH.
YOU WANNA FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT? PLEASE DON'T REZONE.
AND I THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
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PLAN GOING TO REQUIRE THAT AREA TO BE LOW DENSITY.WELL, THIS IS, THIS WILL CHANGE IT.
AND I THOUGHT ALL THE MAIN AREAS OR MAIN ARTERIES IN, COME ON IN TOBIN HILL, WERE GONNA TAKE THE DEVELOPMENT NOW 30 SECONDS.
NOW THEY'RE COMING INTO THE INTERIOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, PLEASE, UH, DON'T REZONE THIS PROPERTY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND GOOD AFTERNOON.
IS THERE A RALPH CORTEZ THEN FOLLOWED BY, UH, FREDERICA KUSHNER? MY NAME'S RALPH CORTEZ AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT, UH, 8 0 2 AND ALSO 8 0 4.
UH, WHAT MR. ARIA SAID WAS THAT THEY'RE NOT TOWN HOMES, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE GONNA GO THERE.
THEY'RE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, UH, THEY'RE NOT THREE STORIES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THE FOOTAGE THAT THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.
UH, LEMME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.
I GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I ATTENDED HAWTHORNE JUNIOR SCHOOL.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY AGE IN 1962.
SO I'VE BEEN FIXING HOUSES THERE AND REMODELING HOUSES THERE.
THIS IS A HOUSE THAT'S NEXT TO THE PROPOSED 8 0 4.
UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN? I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL, AND I ALSO OWN A PROPERTY.
THAT HOUSE IS A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
IT CAME WITH A LITTLE GHOST IN IT TOO, BUT
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, I COMPLETELY REMODELED THAT HOUSE.
I BELIEVE IN PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE ANOTHER HOME HERE AT 7 21.
7 23 EUCLID, THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET THAT I PRESERVED.
THEY ALL HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
I SUPPORT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I SUPPORT WHAT THE COUNCILMAN WANTS TO DO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
I ALSO DEVELOP AND HAVE SOLD SOME HOMES.
I HAVE THIS HOME AT FIVE 18 EAST EVERGREEN.
I COMPLETELY REMODELED THAT HOME.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAVE A FAVORITE TO CERTAIN COLORS, THE GRAY AND THE WHITE.
AND UH, ALSO, UM, THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE ON, ON EAST COURTLAND, I DEVELOPED THAT HOUSE AND MADE IT INTO A BEAUTIFUL HOME.
IT WAS THERE AT THE METROPOLITAN.
AND, UH, THESE HOMES ARE OVER 350, 300 AFTER WE DEVELOPED THEM.
I WENT THROUGH THE COMMISSION.
I DID WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO ON EVERY ONE OF THESE HOMES.
UH, MY DAUGHTER NOW, SHE SAID, DAD, I'D LOVE TO LIVE IN, IN TOBIN HILL.
AND I FOUND A DEAL ON TOBIN HILL.
AND REGRETTABLY, I LET HER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ME.
AND SHE ENDED UP
SHE SAVED ABOUT $60,000, WHICH I COULD HAVE MADE.
THAT HOUSE IS ALSO ON EAST EVERGREEN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTIES HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
NOW, MR. NADIA SAYS THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE HAS A HOUSE AS HE IS ADMITTED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OURS.
AND I HAD BEEN TALKING TO HIM IN THE PAST AND EVERYTHING, AND I'VE SAID, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START WORKING ON THAT HOUSE? WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DEVELOP YOUR HOUSE? THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S IN DIRE NEED OF REPAIRS.
AND THAT'S THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM 8 0 4.
AND, UH, HE'S DONE FOUNDATION WORK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CODES OR NOT, BUT HE'S DONE.
BUT HE'S TOTALLY AGAINST THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA GO THERE.
UH, I TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY WERE ECSTATIC BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU SAW WAS THERE 30 SECONDS, HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE IN THERE.
UH, ALL KINDS OF STUFF WAS GOING ON.
POLICE WERE CALLED SEVERAL TIMES.
MY NEIGHBORS GOT BROKEN INTO ONCE.
SO I SAID, I DON'T WANT SHIPPING CONTAINERS THERE.
I WANT TO BUY THE HOUSE AND I WANNA PUT SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS.
WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE DID EVERYTHING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND THEN WHEN THE MIDTOWN, UH, AREA REGIONAL CENTER GAVE US THE GREEN LIGHT SAYING COULD, THAT'S THREE MINUTES, SIR.
WE COULD PUT THREE HOMES IN THERE.
AND NOW I'M JUST BAFFLED HERE AND, AND BECAUSE IT'S, AND SO I HOPE THE BOARD THANK YOU APPROVES THIS.
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KUSHNER, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER GILL.I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL.
AND I HAVE JUST A FEW, I HOPE BRIEF COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL IS THAT IN SPITE OF THE LANGUAGE USED IN THE ORDINANCES AND THE CITY PLANNING, THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT LOW DENSITY.
THERE'S NOTHING LOW DENSITY ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT 8 0 4 EAST EUCLID.
ITS ORIGINAL USE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY WAS TORN DOWN IN MARCH DOESN'T CONSTITUTE UNDER UTILIZATION OF THE PARCEL.
UM, IT DOES NOT PRESERVE MIDTOWNS DISTINCT CHARACTER TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THREE, THREE STORY UNITS ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT.
THREE, THREE STORY BUILDINGS ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT SURROUNDED BY ONE STORY BUNGALOWS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE LAND.
AND FINALLY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TOO DENSE FOR ITS LOCATION.
UH, CHRISTOPHER GILL, 2 3 4 MADISON.
I'M A FRIEND OF TONY AND HIS DAD.
AND, AND I GUESS MY COMMENT RELATED TO THIS PROJECT WOULD BE THAT THE INCREASING OF AMOUNT OF SELLABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE PROJECT DOES MAKE EACH UNIT MORE AFFORDABLE.
AND AS WE SEEK TO MAINTAIN THE FABRIC OF THESE FAST APPRECIATING VERY DESIRABLE, WONDERFUL AREAS OF TOWN TO LIVE.
AND I'VE LIVED AND WORKED IN A NUMBER OF THEM THAT CREATING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MORE UNITS THAT ARE SMALLER SIZE MAINTAINS THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND ENJOY THESE AREAS.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE REZONING.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
AND JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, I, WE DO REALIZE THAT THE SITE PLAN DOES SAY THREE STORIES ON IT.
THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS PUT IN AT THE TIME OF POSTING.
THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SUBMITTED A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT DOES NOT, DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
HE HAS BEEN INFORMED THAT THE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT HE CAN HAVE IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR 35 FEET.
AND HE HAS, UM, LET STAFF KNOW THAT HE IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, MR. CORTEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? A COUPLE THINGS I WROTE DOWN THAT I HEARD TODAY.
UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT TOWN HOMES.
THEY'RE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THEY'RE TWO AND A HALF STORIES UNDER THE 35 FOOT THRESHOLD.
UM, THE SETBACKS, UH, THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
SO THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. ALBERT GAVE OF COMING OUTSIDE AND 10 FEET FROM YOUR CURB IS JUST NOT TRUE BECAUSE WE'RE IN FACT 20 FEET, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON OUR SITE PLAN THERE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL REMODELS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS, UH, WE PURCHASED, IT WAS BEYOND REPAIR.
UM, IT WAS APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAVE ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE FOUND BY THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE HAD PROVED THAT IT WAS RELOCATED THERE 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.
SO IT WASN'T ORIGINAL TO THE AREA.
UM, THE ROOF HAD PRACTICALLY COLLAPSED.
WATER WAS COMING IN ONE OF THE ROOMS INSIDE THE HOUSE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD FILLER FOAM INSIDE THE DOOR BECAUSE IT WAS FULL OF MOLD BECAUSE OF ALL THE WATER.
AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT AIR COMING INTO THEIR HOUSE.
UM, WHEN WE CAN REMODEL 'EM, WE CAN, IN THIS SITUATION, IT JUST WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
UM, SO WE ASKED YOUR APPROVAL, PLEASE, UH, ON THIS CHANGE TO I D Z IN ADDITION, ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO SAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN I HAD APPLIED FOR, I WAS TOLD I HAD TO APPLY FOR PLANNING AS WELL.
MICHAEL INFORMED ME THAT THEY WERE REFUNDING MY MONEY BECAUSE IN FACT WE WERE COMPLIANT WITH THE NEW MIDTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER GUIDELINES.
SO I ASKED MICHAEL, AM I GREAT.
SO YOU GUYS ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT.
ALTHOUGH YOU MEET THE MIDTOWN OR REGIONAL CENTER GUIDELINES AND YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING, YOU'RE STILL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL NOT GETTING BEHIND IT.
SO, UH, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE TO HEAR THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHAT MR. ROBERT SAID AS FAR AS THEY WERE UNCLEAR OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THEY'VE SEEN THE SITE PLAN, THEY'VE SEEN THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED HERE, AND EVERY ONE OF THEM
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SIGNED NOT ONLY THE PETITION, BUT ALSO THE 11 SUPPORT LETTERS THAT WERE MAILED INTO YOU GUYS SHOWING THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE AND THEY DO IN FACT SUPPORT IT.SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S, UH, LISTENING TO ME AND, UH, I HOPE I CAN GET Y'ALL SUPPORT ON THIS.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE APPLICANT, UM, AND TO THE FOLKS WHO TOOK TIME OUTTA THEIR DAY TO COME AND SPEAK.
UM, SO I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, SO I GUESS HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THIS FOR A DENIAL.
UM, I SEE HERE THAT YOU SAY IT ADDS DENSITY NOT ALREADY ESTABLISHED ON THE BLOCK FACE.
SO JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS.
YEAH, SO WE, FIRST OFF, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF I D Z CASES, WE TAKE THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S I D Z IN THE AREA.
UM, THAT IN, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES STILL ON THAT BLOCK.
UM, IF YOU CAN ADD UP, UM, IT, IT IS A PRIMARY SINGLE FAMILY AREA.
THERE'S A, A WIDE VARIATION IN THE SETBACK TO THE FRONT OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PATTERN THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS STREET.
WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TOWN HOMES ON EL, I GUESS ELMIRA, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO 35 THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, A MORE, A MUCH MORE DENSE, UH, PATTERN.
UM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BLOCK FACE.
WE TRY AND KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE I D Z RESPECTS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE ON THIS SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT, IT'S PART OF THAT CONTEXT THAT WE CONSIDER IT TO BE, UM, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THAT BLOCK.
AND SO DO YOU CONSIDER THE, AND THIS MAY JUST BE ME BEING GREEN ON THE COMMISSION, UM, DO YOU CONSIDER THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL? SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, LIKE THE, LIKE 8 0 1, 8 0 9 8 15 8 17, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THOSE AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT? YES.
TYPICALLY THEY'RE PART OF THE GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM.
IT LOOKS AT, UH, THE, THE IN FRONT OF AND CADDY CORNER TO THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO YES, THAT'S PART OF THE, UM, THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE MAKE.
AND I, AND I SEE HERE, IF THIS IS CORRECT, THAT WE HAVE AN R M FOUR ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW MANY UNITS WE WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH AN RMM FOUR? WELL, THAT, I MEAN, IN THAT RMM FOUR, THAT'S GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT THEY CAN, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF THE ACREAGE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IF THE LOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ACREAGE OF THAT LOT IN PARTICULAR, THE R FOUR ONE, UM, IF IT WERE OVER 4,000, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PUT FOUR UNITS.
IT, HOWEVER, FROM THE STREET IT APPEARS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE HOME IN THAT CASE.
AND THAT'S FREQUENTLY WHAT WE SEE WITH THESE R FOUR PROPERTIES.
UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THE CURRENT HEIGHT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD BE? WOULD IT BE 35 FEET? YES, IT'S AN I D Z ONE.
IT'S, I MEAN, ANY OF THESE I D Z CATEGORIES THAT ARE WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY USE OR ZONE, UH, THEY'RE LIMITED TO 2.5 STORIES OR 35 FEET.
AND I, I INFORMED HIM OF THAT EARLY IN THE PROCESS IF
UM, BUT IF, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE REZONING, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED AND HE WAS TO GO IN AND BUILD SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT? I BELIEVE SAME THING.
AND THEN, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, SO THIS IS CONSISTENT THEN.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS? YES, FROM A CONSISTENCY PERSPECTIVE, IT IS, IT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THAT, UM, AREA PLAN.
IT'S CONSIDERED URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, THAT ALLOWS DENSITIES UP TO 18 UNITS PER ACRE IN THAT CASE.
SO YES, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIDTOWN PLAN IN THAT REGARD.
IT'S A, IT'S ALLOWED IN THAT CATEGORY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LARGER DECISIONS MADE AT A MORE BLOCK OR EVEN COUPLE OF BLOCK AREA.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE PROPERTY ON IT, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT, UH, IN A CLASSIFICATION WAY.
LAST QUESTION THEN I'LL LET YOU OUTTA THE HOT SEAT.
UM, SO IF THEY WERE TO REBUILD ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY COULD BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN ALSO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BY, RIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, IF WE WERE TO NOT REZONE THAT'S CORRECT.
THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO
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A, THE PROPERTY OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND B, THE OVERALL LIMITATION OF 800 SQUARE FEET.BUT YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE ON A R SIX LOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO THE, UM, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UM, SO KIND OF SQUARE WITH ME HOW, AND I APPRECIATED YOUR PRESENTATION OF ALL THE HOUSES, BUT YOU TOOK A HOUSE, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS AND JUST SORT OF GAVE IT BACK.
ITS NEW LIFE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
WHY AREN'T YOU DOING THAT? IT IS THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IN SUCH DISARRAY THAT THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO HOPE FOR IT OR WHAT IT WAS.
AND IT, IT IS, IT WAS IN DISARRAY 'CAUSE IT WAS DEMOLISHED ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
UM, IF YOU PULL IT UP ON GOOGLE, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE HOUSE LOOKED.
UH, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS I THINK OWNED IT FOR ABOUT 20 OR 30 YEARS.
UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO UPKEEP IT.
I'M ALSO A LICENSED REALTOR HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
I HELPED THEM FIND A NEW HOUSE THAT THEY COULD AFFORD THAT THEY USED TO BUY CASH FROM THE PROCEEDS OF THEIR SALE HERE.
SO THEY WERE HAPPY TO SELL AND, AND THEY NEEDED TO MOVE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS UNLIVABLE TO BE SAFE INSIDE.
UM, THERE'S JUST A POINT WITH THESE HOUSES THAT THEY BECOME BEYOND REPAIR.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF EXTENSIVE REMODELS LIKE WE HAD SHOWN IN THE PICTURES.
AND THIS ONE JUST FINANCIALLY IS NOT FEASIBLE TO DO THAT.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS THAT CAME OUT AND THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT IT'S CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM.
IS HOW MANY MORE OF THOSE EXIST, DO YOU THINK? IN, IN AND AROUND? I MEAN THAT TO BRING YOUR PROJECT TO THIS SITE MIGHT BE THE ONLY OPTION LEFT.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF I WERE TO BUY THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, OR THE HOUSE THAT WAS EXISTING THERE, WHAT MORTGAGE WOULD I BE BETTER OFF WITH?
AND WHO CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, THERE THEN? RIGHT.
A LOT OF FOLKS CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THESE HOUSES.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY THEY'RE SINGLE DIGIT DAYS ON MARKET WHEN THEY ARE LISTED.
UM, THEY'RE LISTED FOR ANYWHERE FROM 175 TO $250 A SQUARE FOOT.
UM, THE PROPERTY, WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UM, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE PAID $190,000 FOR IT.
SO WE ARE BUYING JUST THE DIRT.
SO IF YOU'RE BUYING A PROPERTY LIKE THAT AND YOU NEED TO PUT $125,000 RENOVATION IN IT, IT'S EXCEEDING WHAT THE MARKET'S WILLING TO PAY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S A THREE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
SO THE ONLY OPTION AT THAT POINT IS TO DO MULTIPLE HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
NOW, I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE DONE THE FOUR, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY BEHIND US WITH THE 14 TOWN HOMES AND THEN THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS DOWN AT THE CORNER.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT EXTREME.
IT'S JUST THREE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES SET BACK 20 FEET FROM THE STREET.
UM, THAT WILL MAKE THIS A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE BUILDING ONE HOUSE ON A LOT THAT COSTS ALMOST $200,000.
YOU JUST WON'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO DO.
I MEAN, TEXAS IS, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET'S BOOMING ALL OVER TEXAS, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, LAREDO, WACO, WHEREVER YOU GO, THE FIRST PLACES THAT REALLY SEE THAT GROWTH ARE THE PLACES NEAREST TO DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THIS, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED THE PEARL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT WE LOVE THE PEARL.
IT ATTRACTS A LOT OF FOLKS AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS, THIS, THESE MASSIVE CLIMBS AND APPRECIATION FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
I'M IN THE SAME BOAT WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH TO PAY TAXES ON 'EM SOMETIMES, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO, AND YOU WANT TO BRING DOWN THE VALUE TO PAY THE TAXES, BUT THEN WHEN YOU SELL IT, YOU WANT TOP DOLLAR.
YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. ALBERT WITH HIS PROPERTY ON 8 0 1, I I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BE SYMPATHETIC BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S, AND AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING HERE WITH THIS TO MAKE IT NICE.
AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT BEING NICE.
AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN FULLY RENTED AND FULLY RENOVATED UP TO CODE AND UP TO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO YOU'RE, BUT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING I CAN SEE IS MAYBE SAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE OPPOSITION IS SAYING IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MY CONCERN IS, AND I LIKE THE DESIGN AND I LIKE THE IDEA AND HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO REVITALIZE AND HELP THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
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AND IT DOES FALL WITHIN THE REGIONAL PLAN.BUT, UM, I, I JUST WANNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ARE WE KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BUT MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHANGING ALREADY.
UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM, AND IT HAS, UM, 15 FOOT SETBACK AND YOU JUST SAID 20, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS MY UPDATED ONE THAT I HAD SENT TO MICHAEL.
UM, I HAVE THIS ONE HERE THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU THAT HAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE, FROM THE SIDEWALK.
UM, SO ARE THE, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE HOMES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THE HOMES THAT ARE ON THAT BLOCK? THEY ARE, WE'RE USING NATURAL WOOD IN THE FRONT.
KIND OF HAVE THAT RUSTIC CEDAR CHARM THAT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE OVERLY METAL AND MODERNIZED.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, THAT CHARACTER THAT, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE WITH THE NATURAL WOOD IN THE FRONT AND THE CEDAR STAINED, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF HARDY AND BRICK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT YOU SEE IN THE HOMES THAT ARE RESTORED.
UH, COMM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
I'M JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY FOR ME IS, IS A, IS A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT DECISION.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME DISCUSSION FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, BEFORE MAKING A MOTION.
UM, I, I REALLY UNDERSTAND AND I REALLY SUPPORT, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO.
I LIVE IN A 105 YEAR OLD HOUSE IN MONTE VISTA.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THIRD HOUSE I'VE LIVED IN, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO I'M REALLY, I, I REALLY SUPPORT THAT AND I REALLY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN TOBIN HILL.
UM, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN A COUPLE HOUSES ON THE NEXT BLOCK OVER THAT ARE ZONED, UM, R M FOUR, I BELIEVE.
AND SO THOSE ARE THREE AND FOUR UNIT PROPERTIES ON THE 700 BLOCK OF EUCLID.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH SAYING THAT THAT DENSITY IS NOT ALREADY THERE BECAUSE IT IS TO SOME RESPECT ALREADY THERE.
UM, ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE AN RMM FOUR, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ALREADY, THESE, THESE HOUSES ALREADY HAVE, THEY'RE SPLIT UP INTO MULTIPLE UNITS.
SO IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FROM THE FRONT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING USED.
AND THE CHARACTER, WHICH IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE DESIGN, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY LENDING ITSELF TO A LITTLE MORE DENSITY THAN JUST A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF MY CONCERNS AND, AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT NOT GONNA BE IN THE CHARACTER, AND THAT'S REALLY SPEAKING TO THE DESIGN.
WHAT IS THE DESIGN GONNA BE? AND I, I FEEL MAYBE THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT THAT'S AT LEAST MY TAKE ON THIS.
UM, ONE CLARIFICATION, ONE CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.
IS THIS AN, THIS IS NOT AN N C D, CORRECT? NO, IT'S NOT.
SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE A, A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH GUIDELINES AND REVIEW FROM H D R C.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO I, I'M JUST STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS THE DESIGN.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MAYBE WHERE SOME OF THE CONCERN IS COMING IN.
THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THE CHARACTER.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE REST OF YOU FOR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, KAMATH, THE, THE MARKET HAS BROUGHT THE VALUE OF THE LAND SO HIGH, IT'LL BE MORE PRACTICAL TO HAVE MULTIPLE HOMES ON THIS LOT.
AND THIS IS, UH, CLOSE TO PEARL AREA, AND THIS IS THE WAY THE DIRECTION OF THE, UH, MARKET IS GOING RIGHT NOW.
BRINGING MORE, MORE, UH, DEVELOPERS, UH, MILLENNIALS INTO THE, UH, CITY.
I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, THIS PROJECT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT COM.
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UM, SO I, I DO LIKE THE DESIGN AND I DO THINK THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.AND THIS IS NOT A HUGE CHANGE, ACTUALLY, I THINK THE CHANGE HAPPENED BEHIND THIS PROJECT WITH THE TOWN HOMES.
UH, THIS IS MINOR TO THAT, UM, AND I DON'T THINK THE DENSITY IS TOO TERRIBLY BAD, BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE BUILDING HOUSES THERE.
THEY'RE NOT, DO YOU CALL THEM A TOWN HOME OR ARE YOU CALLING THEM A HOUSE? OKAY, SO WE ARE BUILDING HOUSES THERE.
SO WE ARE KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.
UM, WE'RE GIVING IT A BETTER, UH, APPROACH.
UH, I PROBABLY, SOMEONE YOUNGER CAN MOVE IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY, SO I LIKE THAT.
UM, I CAN SEE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT WHEN WE MAKE A BIG CHANGE LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE THAT WAS ONCE THERE, BUT THAT HOUSE IS GONE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE OTHERS MIGHT BE ON THE WAY.
SO I WILL, IF SHE MAKES A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT.
UM, SO I FIND MYSELF SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT QUITE AS CLOSE AS I THINK, UH, UH, BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF YOUR POINTS ARE RIGHT.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S UNDERGOING SOME CHANGES.
THIS WAS IN AN N C D, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FOR DESIGN FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I GET VERY WORRIED WHEN WE HAVE EMPTY LOTS COULD PROVIDE HOUSING AND COULD PROVIDE AFFORDABLE STARTER HOUSING IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
AND SO, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ON WHAT YOU END UP RECOMMENDING OR MOVING FOR, UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING AS WELL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROMERO.
UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH CASE AND I, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY I WOULD VOTE, BUT I THINK I'M LEANING TOWARDS NO.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE MATH AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, I, I THINK THOUGH, IF I FOLLOWED YOU RIGHT, YOUR ARGUING YOUR ARGUMENT WAS MORE ABOUT WHY BUILDING ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOME DOESN'T WORK.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE AREN'T SOME OTHER OPTIONS IN BETWEEN IS BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND DOING WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT DOING TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT, THAT LOOK LIKE THIS OR MAYBE DOING THREE HOMES THAT ARE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOT SO MUCH IN DESIGN, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE HEIGHT THAT'S GETTING ME WITH THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT BY RIGHT, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 35 FEET, UM, BUT IF THE PLAN HAD LOOKED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, I, I THINK I WOULD FEEL BETTER.
AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, I, IT JUST MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE FOR US TO JUST SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH A NEIGHBORHOOD CAN WITHSTAND AND THERE'S ECONOMICS ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT, BUT WE'RE MAKING THAT DECISION OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND IN THE FACE OF STAFF SAYING NO AND OTHER NEIGHBORS SAYING NO, THAT'S A BIG BARRIER FOR ME TO GET PAST.
UM, SO BASICALLY, I GUESS IT WOULD ALMOST MAKE ME FEEL BETTER IF YOU CALLED THEM TOWN HOMES BECAUSE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME AS FAR AS LAND USE.
AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DESIGN.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DO A NICE DESIGN THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT SMALL OF A PROPERTY.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE WAS, THERE WAS ROOM IN BETWEEN THIS OPTION AND WHAT YOU CAN DO BY RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT ALL THE WAY THERE ON THIS ONE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? OKAY.
AND I, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THE INSIGHT FROM ALL OF MY COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND I, I DO AGREE THAT THE AFFORDABILITY IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SKYROCKETING VALUES, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE, UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME ESTABLISHED DENSITY IN THE AREA.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF, UM, ITEM NUMBER 13.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, FOR
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APPROVAL ON THE, UH, FLOOR.AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS, SO, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
[16. 19-6576 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700184 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-3 AHOD" Single-Family Residential Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 7, Lot 8, and the west 31.25 feet of Lot 9, Block 4, NCB 2575, located at 332 East Fest Street. Staff recommends Denial. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING LOCATED AT 3 3 2 EAST FEST.AS A REQUEST CHANGE, THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO R 3 38 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR FOR AN OPPOSITION AND THE LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
THE EXISTING R SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BASED ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SURROUNDING PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PROPOSED R THREE IS UNSUITABLE TO THE AREA AND WOULD INTRODUCE INCREASED DENSITY MID-BLOCK RATHER THAN AT A CORNER LOT OR INTERSECTION WHERE THE DENSITY IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
COULD YOU PUT MY LITTLE POWERPOINT UP OR POWERPOINT? OKAY.
UM, SO WHEN THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED, DO WE ASK FOR I D Z? DO WE ASK FOR SOME TOR SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING? SO WE DECIDED TO ASK FOR R THREE ONE, THE NEW DISTRICTS UNDER THE NEW I D Z ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER HALF AN ACRE, SO WE'RE ABOUT 19,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND I JUST WANT YOU TO NOTICE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET HAS SOME CHALLENGES THAT LARGE WAREHOUSE TO THE RIGHT IS THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WAREHOUSE AND THERE, AND THAT THAT IS THEIR ONLY ACCESS TO THAT WAREHOUSE FOR THEIR LARGE 18 WHEELERS IS UP AND DOWN FEST STREET.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I REACHED OUT TO LONE STAR WAS, PLEASE HELP US WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM THE 18 WHEELERS.
NEXT SLIDE, OR CAN I DO IT? GO, UH, THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, IN, IN SPEAKING WITH LONE STAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CARPORTS VERSUS GARAGE DOORS ON THE STREET WITH A NICE COURTYARD AND THEN THE, THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE AND A LITTLE BIT SET BACK TO THE REAR.
AND I FORGOT TO MENTION, IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S ALMOST LIKE A WHAT WE, WHAT WE CALL THE, THE GREEN BELT BACK THERE BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES AND THE PROPERTIES ON LA CHAPPELLE.
UH, DISTRICT FIVE HAS BEEN TRYING FOR, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE BOND CYCLES TO TRY TO DO A, A GREENWAY LINEAR PARK THROUGH THAT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY SOME OTHER ITEMS HAVE COME UP ON THE BONDS THAT HAVE BEEN DEEMED MORE IMPORTANT, BUT IN SPEAKING TO THE COUNCILMAN, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THE, IN THE NEXT BOND, THE 2021 BOND SOME MONEY TO HAVE A NICE, UM, GREEN BELT BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT, A GREAT BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE HOMES BEHIND US, WHICH ARE ZONED R FOUR.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP AND DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S A, A PROPERTY THAT ZONED I D Z JUST UP THE STREET THAT HAS THE EXACT SAME SIZE LOTS, AND IT WAS UNDER THE OLD I D Z.
SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND WHAT CAN WE ASK FOR, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALWAYS CHECK IS MAKE SURE YOU'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY MIXED USE, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICTS, IT ALLOWS UP TO MF 33, WHICH WITH OUR ALMOST HALF AN ACRE WE COULD DO 14 UNITS.
WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR FIVE, YET STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
UM, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE DISCONCERTING BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHEN I DECIDE, OR AN APPLICANT ASKS ME, CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AGAINST THE PLAN.
THIS OTHER DENSITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
SO STAFF SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THAT MAKES THE WHOLE ZONING PROCESS A LITTLE, LITTLE SIMPLER.
UH, BUT OF COURSE IN THIS CASE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
AND I'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, AND THEY BASICALLY SAY IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WE HAVE TODAY.
AND I'M SURE AS THIS, THIS BODY KNOWS NOBODY'S BUILDING HOMES ON 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ANYMORE.
ALL THE ZONING CASES YOU'RE SEEING IN THE SUBURBS ARE R FOUR OR R FIVE.
PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT THOSE GIANT YARDS ANYMORE.
AND IT KIND OF DOVETAILS IN THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HAD.
IF WE'RE STUCK WITH 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, WE'RE BLOWING AFFORDABILITY COMPLETELY OUT THE WINDOW JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE LOTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, WHENEVER YOU GO TO SHIRLEY GONZALEZ OR DISTRICT FIVE, SHE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
SHE WANTS AFFORDABILITY IN HER DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE R THREE WITH FIVE UNITS, WE CAN BRING 'EM INTO A REASONABLE PRICE WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE DID MEET WITH LONE STAR AND THE ARMED SUPPORT.
UM, SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR REZONING, AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF REBUTTAL TIME.
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ROBERT SHAW, FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE SHEER, UH, ROB SHAW.I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 4 1 8 EAST FEST, UH, WHICH IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE PROPOSED LOT.
AND, UM, JUST CLOSED ON THIS LOT, JUNE 14TH AND I OPPOSED THIS ZONING CHANGE.
UM, WE LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE CHOSE IT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND THERE'S OTHER AREAS, LA CHAPPELLE, UH, CLAY STREET THAT HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND WE WERE LOOKING AT A LOT ON SIMON STREET AND THAT WAS GONNA BACK UP TO THESE MULTIFAMILIES AND WE DIDN'T WANNA LIVE THERE.
SO WE WENT FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ZONING REASON, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL R SIX TO THE WEST IS R SIX, ACROSS THE STREET IS R SIX.
UM, AND ALL THE EXISTING HOUSES ON THIS DEAD END STREET ARE ALL R SIX.
AND SO I DON'T FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS, TWO STREETS UP WHERE MULTIFAMILY IS HAPPENING, UH, WHERE THERE ARE COMMERCIAL SPACES, UM, BUT MULTIFAMILY ON, ON THIS STREET, WE ALREADY DO HAVE THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TRUCKS.
THIS IS GONNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC, UH, MORE DENSITY AND UM, WE HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE LOT.
SO PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT AND PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT ON THAT, IN THAT AREA.
UM, IF IT WAS ON A CORNER LOT, UH, MAYBE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS MID-BLOCK, UM, AND DOESN'T FEEL COMPATIBLE.
AND WITH THE, THE PROPOSED PLANS THERE WITH FIVE UNITS, UM, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE WALL TO WALL CARS.
UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE STREET, IT'S VERY SPACIOUS.
UH, HE, THERE'S A, THE GREEN BELT BEHIND IT HAS A, A GREEN PARK FEEL, UM, TO IT.
AND, UM, YEAH, SO, UH, I'M IN OPPOSITION.
UM, I LIVE AT 2 4 8 EAST SUMMIT ALSO IN MONTE VISTA.
AND, UM, I'VE OWNED SEVERAL HOMES IN FOR 15 YEARS AND IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BUILD A HOME.
AND SO, LIKE ROB SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CHOSEN THIS STREET SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING AND WE LOVE, UM, THREE STORY.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY
UM, MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE JUST NEED TO ZONE PROPERLY FOR THEM SO THAT THERE'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO TO DO THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND THEN THERE'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO WHERE UM, IT'S NOT ALL MIXED UP, YOU KNOW? SO WE LOVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE OF WHAT ROB MENTIONED ABOUT THE DEAD END AND, UM, THE, I MEAN, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE US, UM, GO FROM, YOU KNOW, GET TO A POINT IN THEIR LIFE WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUILD, COME FROM A PLACE LIKE MONTE VISTA AND REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO DO WITH OUR FAMILY.
AND WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
WE'VE GOTTEN OUR KIDS INTO DOWNTOWN SCHOOLS, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT.
AND SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, UM, WE WANNA LIVE BY, UM, MIXED USE.
NOT SAYING NO TO THAT, BUT WE THINK NOT ON THIS STREET.
UM, BECAUSE EVEN OUR BUILDER, UM, HE'S BUILT, HE'S BUILT ON CLAY, HE'S DOING THE SEVEN STONES.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE THERE.
AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT THAT WASN'T FOR US AND WE WANTED A MORE, UM, A BIGGER SPACE.
SO WE'D LIKE IT PRESERVED AND OPPOSED.
THANK YOU J UH, JESUS TORRO MARTINEZ FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS JESUS TORRO MARTINEZ 1 0 7 LAUNCH STAR.
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KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPROVES, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE BECAUSE IT DIVERSIFIED THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.WE ARE FOR, UH, LARGE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THEIR HOME AND WE ALSO WANT, UM, DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ALL CROSS OF INCOME COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF LONE STAR.
AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DO ASK ALL DEVELOPERS WHO COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE TWO FULL CAR PARKING INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD.
I KNOW THE CITY HAS MORE LENIENT RULES THAT YOU CAN, UH, BUILD ONE CAR AND A HALF.
WE DO NOT WANT THAT HALF OF THE PART OF YOUR CAR TO BE OUT IN THE STREET.
WE WANT YOU TO BE FULLY INSIDE YOUR PROPERTY AND TO HAVE FREEWAY FOR YOUR DOG TO WALK IN THE SIDEWALK.
THAT IS SOMETHING, THAT'S WHY WE APPROVE THIS, UH, DESIGN FOR, UH, FOR THOSE HOUSES THAT BEING DEVELOPED.
AND, UM, I SEE THAT THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING THROUGH A HUGE CHANGE.
A LOT OF DIVERSITY IS MING IN, UM, NOT JUST UH, PEOPLE, BUT SOCIAL ECONOMICS LEVELS ARE COMING, COMING IN AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
MR. CHRISTENSEN, HERE'S, I'LL BE BRIEF AND THAT WAS A LONG DAY, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, WE'RE ASKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY R THREE ZONING THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE YOUR LOTS, NOT LESS THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW THEY DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, IN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WANTED US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.
JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE CANNOT DO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LOT ITSELF.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A FRONTING ON FEST.
WE HAVE THIS RIGHT OF WAY IN THE BACK THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ONE DAY BECOME A LINEAR PARK.
UH, WHAT IS SORT OF THE LINEAR DIMENSION ON FEST? YOU MEAN THE DEPTH OF THE LOT? NO, HOW, HOW WIDE IS IT ACROSS? PARDON? 31 FEET PER LOT.
SO, SO 1500 SOMETHING, 1500 SQUARE FEET.
I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM MASKS.
UM, BUT UM, OKAY, SO 150 RIGHT THERE.
SO I'M GONNA ASK A, A VARIATION OF THE QUESTION.
UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ASKED IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, HOW MANY UNITS COULD YOU DO UNDER R SIX WITH AN SUBSIDIARY STRUCTURE ON THE BACK AUXILIARY STRUCTURE, THREE UNITS WITH THREE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS.
SO SIX UNITS, SIX UNITS, RIGHT.
UM, NOW YOU MENTIONED SOME OF WHY YOU DIDN'T DECIDE TO USE I D Z.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? WELL A LOT OF THE INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE STARTING TO UM, BE AFRAID OF I D Z.
CERTAINLY BEFORE WHEN WE HAD THE NEW, NOW WE HAVE THE I D Z 1, 2 3, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YOU'RE LOCKED INTO A TIGHTER SITE PLAN, YOU'RE LOCKED INTO DENSITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHERE IN THE PAST THEY WERE SORT OF A KNEE JERK REACTION, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE I D Z.
UM, SO AS A PART OF THAT WE DIDN'T NEED THE I D Z, THERE WAS NO REASON TO ASK FOR IT.
IF WE WERE ASKING FOR 6, 7, 8 UNITS, I'D SAY YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE I D Z 'CAUSE WITH THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE CAN COMPLY WITH THESE SINGLE FAMILY R THREE SETBACKS.
NOW IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THEM, UM, REGARDING THESE TWO CAR CARPORTS ON EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, THIS IS OUR THIRD CASE, UH, INVOLVING A SIMILAR TYPE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN LONE STAR IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS OR SO.
AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN VERY, UM, KEEN ON.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS PERVERSELY TO SOME DEGREE IS I DON'T THINK THAT WE AS ZONING CAN FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT COMMITMENT.
WE CAN'T FORCE THAT COMMITMENT.
SO I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF, GIVEN THAT THIS ISN'T AN R AN I D Z REZONING AND THAT IT IS ONLY R
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THREE, THERE'S NO SITE PLAN, THERE'S NO MEANS TO ENFORCE THAT KIND OF OBLIGATION, OUR PORT, UM, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.MR. CHRISTENSEN, I GUESS THAT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH IS WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT? DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT? IT'S ONE PER SINGLE FAMILY UNIT.
SO THE HOUSES TODAY ON THAT LOT ON THAT BLOCK FACE, ON THE WHOLE BLOCK ARE ONLY REQUIRED ONE SPACE OFF STREET PARKING.
I MEAN, I CAN CHECK WITH MY CLIENT, I DON'T THINK THEY'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEEDED RESTRICTION REQUIRING TWO SPACES PER UNIT.
THEY WANT TO HAVE TWO SPACES PER UNIT.
UM, IT MAKES IT MORE MARKETABLE.
WE'RE NOT AT THE STAGE YET WHERE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DOESN'T EACH HAVE THEIR OWN CAR.
UM, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE TWO UNITS, SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM I DON'T THINK.
AND GOING BACK TO STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN YOUR MEMO YOU TALK ABOUT ADVERSE IMPACT AND SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SORT OF EXPAND UPON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PREVIOUS QUESTIONING MM-HMM
UM, AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS MIGHT BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ALLOWABLE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT I D Z, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING SPECIAL BEYOND WHAT'S AVAILABLE BY RIGHT UNDER R THREE.
SO THE ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT WE REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT WERE MORE, UM, TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, SAFETY AS FAR AS TRAFFIC.
UM, BY RIGHT, UH, R SIX, IF HE WERE TO RE REPL, HE COULD DO THREE S L FAMILY HOMES COMFORTABLY.
UM, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE ONLY THREE PARKING SPACES, ONE PER HOUSEHOLD.
HOWEVER, WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSED, UM, UH, REZONING, HE WOULD BE ALLOWED OR REQUIRE ONE, ONE TRAP, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE PER HOUSEHOLD, WHICH IS TWO MORE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
SO IF, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T QUITE WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO AND ENFORCE, UM, BUT IF THERE IS A SPEED RESTRICTION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE TWO CARS, THEN DOES THAT IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE OR REDUCE THE HARM? 'CAUSE I PRESUME THE HARM IS, IS REALLY FROM ON-STREET PARKING.
AND SO HAVING TWO CARS IN THIS CARPORT WHERE THEY PEOPLE CAN'T STORE STUFF, UH, DOES THAT IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE OR REDUCE THAT HARM HERE? NO, BECAUSE THE OTHER, UM, POINT WAS THE NATURE OF A A R SIX IS THAT IT HAS TO BE, UH, A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 50 FEET AND CHANGING THE CHARACTER TO R THREE WIDTH, A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 20 FEET IS ALSO, UM, AN ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE EXISTING R SIX SURROUNDING LOTS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE THING THAT WAS RAISED, UM, BY, UM, NOW I CAN'T READ MY HANDWRITING, BUT BY THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I CAN PASS THE LETTER.
UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE R FOUR ACROSS THIS RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SOUTH ON FACING LA CHAPPELLE HERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF I D Z SORT OF WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO.
AND SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO HOW NARROWLY ARE WE DEFINING WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS? IS IT, IS IT EACH BLOCK FACE, IS IT WHAT IN THIS CASE IT'S BEING INTRODUCED MID-BLOCK, THIS TYPE OF DENSITY AND AS UM, I THINK WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST CASE PRECEDING US, UH, IT'S MORE SUITABLE TO BE ON A CORNER OR, UH, OR MORE TRAFFIC OR, UM, HIGHER DENSITY IS PREFERRED, BUT UM, IN THIS CASE IT'S MID-BLOCK AND IT'S MID-BLOCK OF THE ENTIRE BLOCK FACE AND THERE ISN'T, UM, ANY OTHER SIMILAR DENSITY EVEN BEHIND IT OR SOUTH OF IT.
I WILL, UM, OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I GUESS FOR STAFF, I'M LOOKING, I GOOGLE MAPS AND I DUNNO WHY THIS IS SORT OF CRUCIAL TO ME, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S THIS REALLY UNUSUAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE R SIX LOT.
IT HAS SORT OF A WAREHOUSE LOOK AND I'M LOOKING AT CARPORTS AND IS THAT TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES?
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IT'S, UH, THE PROPERTY.CAN YOU GO TO THE STREET VIEW? MARCO POLICE? THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEY HAVE CARPORTS.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY NEW AND THEY ALL CAME IN WITH THE SAME DEVELOPMENT, THE 50 FOOT WIDE LOT SIZE.
AND THEN SECOND, THERE'S NO CHANCE OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY NOT HAVING THE TRUCKS GO DOWN THE STREET.
THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT I'M NOT SURE.
COULD THAT GENTLEMAN ANSWER FOR ME IS THAT OKAY? AGAIN, I'M TORO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE ON FEST STREET IS JUST THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO TRAFFIC THAT PASSES THROUGH THERE.
UH, THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE GET IDEAS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES THERE.
THE ONLY TRAFFIC THAT PASSES THROUGH THERE IS GOING TO THE HABITAT OFFICE AND THAT IS THEIR LOADING.
AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DOES WANNA PUT A RESTRICTION TO THEM, UH, TO USE ANOTHER AREA FOR LOADING AND STUFF TO REDUCE THAT, UM, PASSAGE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
'CAUSE IT'S REALLY RUINED THE STREETS ITSELF.
AND SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU MAKING ANY HEADWAY ON THAT? WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND BEFORE WE GO TO LOOK FOR OTHER HEAVY MUSCLES FOR THAT.
THAT'S ITS QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS.
UM, JUST, UH, KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER BUS'S QUESTIONS AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS, SO IF THIS WERE TO BE REZONED TO R THREE, WE WOULD HAVE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN COULD EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES THEN HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE AND POSSIBLE ON THESE? I'M GONNA CHIME IN ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS ONLY ASKING FOR FIVE UNITS, BUT AN R THREE ZONE, IF IT WERE REZONED TO R THREE WILL ALLOW FOR SIX UNITS AND, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED.
YES, THEY WOULD EACH BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND YES, THEY COULD EACH HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
UM, SO CERTAINLY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF, OF MR. SHAW AND MS. SHEAR.
UM, BUT ONE THING WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, AT LONE STAR, UH, ONE THING WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WITH RESPECT TO DISTRICT FIVE IS, IS GETTING SOME STARTER HOMES, GETTING SOME EMPTY NESTER HOMES, UH, GETTING THOSE IN THIS DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, I I HOPE SHOULD IT PASS, SHOULD IT BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THAT MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK AROUND IT SINCE YOU HAVEN'T STARTED BUILDING YET TO, TO MAKE AN INTERESTING COMPLIMENT HERE? UH, 'CAUSE I DO LIKE THE IDEA.
I, I DO FIND IT COMPELLING TO HAVE THIS MIX TO HAVE PEOPLE INTERACTING, UH, ACROSS, UH, ECONOMIC SCALES.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S GOING THROUGH A GREAT DEAL OF CHANGE.
AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE HAVING DEVELOPERS COME IN, ASK FOR I D Z.
THEY'RE SOMETIMES WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUCCESSFULLY, SOMETIMES NOT.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS THE KIND OF MIXING OF, OF USE LESS USE AS MUCH AS AFFORDABILITY THAT WE WANNA SEE IN THIS AREA.
AND SO AS A RESULT, UH, AFTER MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSS, UH, I WILL MOST LIKELY BE MOVING, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF PLEASE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THEY CAN HAVE ON THIS LOT IS, UH, SIX UNITS? YES, THERE ARE THREE, SIX UNITS UNDER OUR, UM, SIX THREE UNITS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
SO IF COMMISSIONER BUSTANI MAKES THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UM,
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I I WILL LIKELY NOT BE IN SUPPORT, WHICH MAYBE SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT HYPOCRITICAL GIVEN MY LAST, UM, LAST MOTION AND LAST VOTE.UM, SO I, I REALLY DO FEEL, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS ZONING AROUND HERE, IT IS VERY UNIFORM R SIX, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SCROLL OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE MORE.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE I TWO, SOME I D Z, SOME LITTLE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY FURTHER OUT, BUT THIS BLOCK FACE REALLY IS PRETTY UNIFORM.
UM, ADDITIONALLY I FEEL THAT HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE ADUS, UM, OR, OR EVEN NOT YOU'RE, YOU ARE DOUBLING THE DENSITY HERE, WHICH TO ME DOES FEEL LIKE A LOT IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK FACE, UM, ON KIND OF A STREET THAT DEAD ENDS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I I REALLY SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S WHY I WORK IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT AND I REALLY SUPPORT THAT.
HOWEVER, I FEEL FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THIS MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SPOT.
UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, MIKE, DID YOU MENTION MY NAME BEFORE I RAISED MY HAND? YEAH,
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S A DEAD END STREET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING.
IT SEEMS TO HAVE ITS OWN LITTLE GOING ON, ON THE STREET OVER THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I THINK THERE'S A NEW, UH, THING HAPPENING THERE AND I'M, I WOULD BE FOR IT.
I, I LIKE THAT WE FIND THESE UNIQUE VACANT TRACKS OF LAND DOWNTOWN AND FILL THEM IN.
UM, AND MILLENNIALS JUST DON'T LIKE TO MOW GRASS, SO I THINK THE DENSITY IS FINE.
MY MILLENNIALS, MY SONS, SO, SO I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I HAVE LESS OF A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE THAN THE LAST ONE.
UM, I THOUGHT THE LAST BLOCK FACE WAS PRETTY, UM, SIMILAR TOO UNTIL WE MADE THAT VOTE.
UM, I, I, I THINK, UM, WELL I THINK WE AT A CROSSROADS WITH PLANNING PRINCIPLES HERE AND IT'S ALL HITTING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT ON THIS CASE.
UM, I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, GOING AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS BECAUSE THEY RECOMMEND THAT THEY REPRESENT STANDARDS THAT WE ADHERE TO AND WE DON'T ALWAYS ADHERE TO THEM, BUT IT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS TO JUST BE SAYING, WELL, THE MARKET OR, WELL, AFFORDABILITY AND, AND JUST ALL STUFF THAT FRANKLY WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT.
UM, IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AND, UM, I I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE CHANGE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE USING TO SUPPORT IT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS AND, AND IT'S BASED ON A LOT OF EVIDENCE ABOUT HOW OUR CITY'S CHANGING AND THERE'S CERTAIN NEEDS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT BASED ON A STANDARD EXCEPT WE ALL THINK, OH, IT'S, IT'S SO, AND I THINK THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON A STANDARD THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND WHAT REALLY MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE IS THE OPENING UP FOR THE SIXTH UNIT ON HERE.
SO THIS ONE'S HARDER FOR ME, BUT I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS ONE.
AND I THINK, UM, I MIGHT MADAM CHAIR, NO ONE ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. CHRISTENSEN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP.
UM, I THINK DURING THIS DISCUSSION, AND THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I WANTED A LITTLE MORE, UH, DISCUSSION BEFORE I MADE THE MOTION WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE'VE DISCUSSED IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CARPORT, UH, WITH TWO, UM, WITH SPACE FOR TWO CARS.
UM, ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN RAISED, UH, IS THIS IDEA OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT THEN WILL END UP BEING 12 UNITS AS OPPOSED TO, OR POTENTIALLY 12 UNITS.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD THING OF COURSE IS THIS IDEA THAT GIVEN, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 150, UH, FEET OF, OF DISTANCE ALONG VEST, THAT THERE COULD BE SIX UNITS.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, UM, BUT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS CAN BE ALLEVIATED WITH DEEDED RESTRICTIONS AND WITH AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND YOUR CLIENT.
CORRECT? I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME FEAR MONGERING ABOUT MULTIPLE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND ALL THAT.
I THINK I CAN WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO A DEEDED RESTRICTION ON THE TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, FIVE UNITS TOTAL,
[02:50:01]
NO ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, AND COME BACK TO THIS BODY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ADDRESSING THOSE ITEMS. DO YOU THINK A CONTINUANCE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU? YES, SIR, I DO.UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT, I WOULD MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING.
SECOND, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION AND A, UH, FOR A CONTINUANCE AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER BUSTA BUSTAMONTE.
MOTION CAN FOR, FOR CONTINUANCE PASSES,
[21. 19-6780 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700193 S (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3NA NCD-5 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Beacon Hill Neighborhood Conservation Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3NA S NCD-5 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Beacon Hill Neighborhood Conservation Airport Hazard Overlay District with Specific Use Authorization for Outside Storage on Lot 1 and Lot 2, Block 19, NCB 6418, located at 738 West Hildebrand Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Dominic Silva, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0120, dominic.silva@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
ADAM NUMBER 21 Z 20 19 1 0 7 0 0 1 9 3.UH, UH, S IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE NA TO C THREE NA, UH, WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE.
LOCATED AT 7 3 8 WEST HILDEBRAND AVENUE.
NOTICES MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
NO RESPONSE FROM BEACON HILL MEMBERS ASSOCIATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WILL BE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 1ST ZONING COMMISSION.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HI, UH, MY NAME IS RALPH HERNANDEZ.
I'M THE OWNER OF 7 38 WEST HILBURN AVENUE, AND I AM REQUESTING A REZONING TO C THREE N A S OH.
AND, AND ASKING FOR THE CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 1ST.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? MARK SPIELMAN? MARK SPIELMAN, 900 WEST WOODLAWN AVENUE.
UH, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, WE ARE, HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT.
MET WITH HIM JUST LAST NIGHT AT OUR REGULAR ZONING MEETING.
AND, UH, FEEL THAT A CONTINUANCE IS, IS REALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE, UH, APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.
UM, MY ONLY QUESTION IS TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
HOW LONG DO YOU GUYS WANT? I IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO UP TO THE MIC, I THINK THAT THEY ALL AGREED TO TWO WEEKS WAS FINE.
IF, IF EVERYONE, IF YOU ALL IN AGREEMENT FOR TWO WEEKS, THEN I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE, UH, FOR TWO WEEKS FOR ITEM NUMBER 21.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE WITH THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
[24. 19-6898 Consideration and Approval of the September 3, 2019 Zoning Commission Minutes]
OUR SEPTEMBER 3RD MINUTES, WERE THERE ANY, UM, CORRECTIONS? WE HAVE ONE EDIT THAT WE'RE MAKING.UM, IT SHOWED JOE NICKS AS BEING PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT HE WASN'T.
SO WE'RE MAKING THAT EDIT TO REMOVE, TO SHOW THAT HE WAS ABSENT.
AND SO WITH THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY EDIT THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
BUT IT SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO IF THERE'S NO OTHER AMENDMENTS.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CORRECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
[Director's Report: Status of Appointments]
WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE[02:55:01]
DIRECTOR'S REPORT? JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON ZONING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.UM, SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE THAT CAME FORWARD LAST WEEK, AND SO WE'RE STILL, UH, PENDING A FEW.
SO JUST BE SURE IF YOU WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED TO CONTACT YOUR COUNSEL OFFICE.
UH, WE HAVE D ONE, D TWO, D THREE, D FOUR, D SIX, D EIGHT, AND D 10 THAT HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED.
UH, THE REST, UH, ARE STILL PENDING, SO IF YOUR APPLICATION IS MORE THAN A YEAR OLD, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S UPDATED AND WORK WITH YOUR COUNSEL OFFICE TO, TO GET REAPPOINTED IF YOU SO WISH TO.
LISTEN, UM, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.
Y'ALL WORK SO WELL TOGETHER AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEART AND YOUR PASSION.
UM, Y'ALL HAVE A WONDERFULLY PRODUCTIVE WEEK.
I'LL SEE YOU ON THE NEXT TIME THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.