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EVERYONE, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15TH, 2025.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE AS STORY DESIGNER REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
ANYONE PRESENT? IF ANYONE PRESENT, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN 'EM TO YIELD THEIR TIME, THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
HAVE YOU STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
UH, FIRST HEARING OF THE YEAR, WHICH MEANS WE DO OUR ANNUAL ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MAURICE GIBBS TO CONTINUOUS CHAIR SECOND.
ANY OTHER MOTIONS? OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. GIBBS AS CHAIR AND A SECOND.
THOSE OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS,
AND IF YOU, MR. CHAIR, WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR FOR THE STORAGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, MONICA SABINO FOR VICE CHAIR MONICA SABINO.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? UM, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER JEFFREY FETZER.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HEARING NONE.
SO DO WE VOTE ON BOTH OF 'EM AT THE SAME TIME OR, WELL, THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T HAVE A SECOND, I DON'T THINK.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER SABINO? SECOND.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR BOTH NOW.
MAY I? YES, YOU MAY SPEAK STEP BACK.
HE AND, AND IF I COULD CLARIFY, I, I, I WAS THINKING THAT MONICA WAS THE SITTING VICE CHAIR AND WANTED TO EXTEND THAT CONTINUATION AND, UH, RECOGNIZING WITH HER NOMINATION THAT JEFFREY IS ACTUALLY THE VICE CHAIR.
I, I WOULD GO BY WAY OF MONICA SAVINA, SO I WITHDRAW THAT NOMINATION RESPECTFULLY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR JEFFREY FETZER, UM, AS VICE CHAIR, WE HAVE A SECOND FOR JEFF.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR, UM, NOMINATING JEFFREY FETZER TO CONTINUE AS VICE CHAIR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT SO MOVED.
UH, NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 18TH.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE HCRC MEETING ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2024.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
AT THIS TIME WE COULD DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
ITEM 11 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
THAT'S FOUR 18 FLORIDA AGAIN WILL NOT BE HEARD.
UM, WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE VOICEMAILS FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS AND NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.
SO AT THIS TIME, EDWARD, WE COMPLETE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM FOUR.
THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY 1146 SOUTH ALAMO.
REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 4 16 0 2 BROADWAY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
QUESTIONS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR RELOCATING THE TWO STORY HISTORIC HOUSE AT 1602 BROADWAY SLASH 1611 NORTH ALAMO.
RATHER THAN REPURPOSING IT AS AN AUTHENTIC PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THIS HOUSE APPEARS TO BE SIMILAR IN SCALE AND USE TO THE PROPOSED INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AT 1606 NORTH ALAMO IS PART OF A FUTURE PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SHOULD THIS BE THE CASE? WE WOULD URGE THAT IT BE ADAPTED IN PLACE TO MAINTAIN ITS ORIGINAL HISTORIC CONTEXT.
NEXT, WE'LL HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 6 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE.
MY NAME IS LUGO FRANCOIS, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY WHI HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I'M CALLING IN FOR CASE 2024 DASH 4 23.
THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE IS IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENT SUBMITTED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND LEAH RUM, TBG PARTNERS.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT BY THE RESIDENTS AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK COSA FOR TAKING THE TIME TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS PROVIDED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE PARK UPDATES.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH? SHOULD PULL ANY ITEMS MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSION ON TO PULL ANY ITEMS? YES.
SO THAT'S TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, ITEMS 1, 5, 6, 7, AND NINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS ONE 15 WIX 3 31 WEST ELSMERE 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE, 2 34 WEST WOODLAWN AND 360 2 E ATCH.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP, UH, ITEM NUMBER 2 24 1 9 MCCULLOUGH AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? PAM CARPENTER, 9 33 NORTH FLORES ARCHITECT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE, TBG PARTNERS.
JUST VERY QUICKLY, I KIND OF WANTED YOU JUST TO BRIEFLY GO OVER, UH, THE PROJECT WITH REGARDS TO THE CHANGES YOU'VE
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MADE SINCE THE CITY AND, AND THE COMMISSION HAS GONE AND VISITED THERE AND, AND HOW YOU'VE INCORPORATED THOSE OR, OR WERE NOT ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS JUST TO KIND OF GET THE, WHERE YOU WERE TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW.SO THE COMMENTS IN THE PAST WERE REGARDING THE KILN SHED AND THE, UM, THE SERVANT'S QUARTERS, WHICH WERE TO THE WEST, UM, BEHIND TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO WE EXPLORED, UH, TRYING TO KEEP, UM, THE REPURPOSED FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS NOW THE KILN SHED GOING FROM, UH, SERVANT'S QUARTERS TO KILN SHED BACK IN THAT AREA.
BUT THEY DID SOME, UM, CIVIL STUDIES AND FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME EASEMENTS AND SOME ISSUES WITH KEEPING A STRUCTURE THERE.
SO IT HAS BEEN, UM, RELOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
AND UM, WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE FENCING AS WELL.
AND, UM, THE FENCING JUST KIND OF KEEPING IT, UH, CONSISTENT, CLEANING UP THAT CORNER.
THERE'S ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT FENCE TYPES AND TRYING TO BE MORE, UM, HOMOGENOUS IN TERMS OF VOCABULARY.
I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN THINGS, THE FENCING AND THE KILN SHED SLASH MATES QUARTERS.
AND WHAT WERE YOU ABLE TO, WERE YOU ABLE TO FACILITATE SOME SORT OF OR INCORPORATE SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION OF THE QUARTERS IN OTHER ARC? YES, SIR.
THERE IS, UM, SOME INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT'S BEING INTRODUCED AND, UM, WHETHER IT'S AT THE, UH, BACK OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SERVANT'S QUARTERS OR THE FRONT, UM, ELAINE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON WHERE THAT SIGNAGE IS, BUT YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, UM, SOME INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT IS PUT BEING PUT IN PLACE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE RECUSING ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.
THE, UH, APPLICANT MICHAEL ELDER SHOULD BE PRESENT, UH, VIRTUALLY LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE SHERIFF FETZER HAS EXITED THE ROOM.
UM, SO FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, COMMISSIONER SANTES, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? Y YEAH, I KIND OF WANTED SOMETHING A LITTLE ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT, UH, THAT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT SUBMITTED, BUT KIND OF OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT CHANGES DO THEY INCORPORATE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY'RE AT AND GET THEM TO THE, UH, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS? I KNOW THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.
I KNOW THEY'VE MADE QUITE A FEW CHANGES, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED 'EM TO, TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, UH, LARGER, UH, UM, CHANGES THEY MADE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GOT FROM BOTH STAFF AND US.
UM, CAN YOU, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT THAT'S VIRTUAL, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, UM, FOR THE RECORD AND THEN, UM, RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS PLEASE? SURE.
UH, MICHAEL ELDER WITH OX OXFORD DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
UM, SO YEAH, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO NOW, UM, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU RECOMMENDED.
UM, WORKING WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, UM, WE HAVE WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THEM BECAUSE WE'RE DOING PROJECTS ALL UP AND DOWN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WITH THEM.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONDITIONAL LETTERS OF APPROVAL THAT THEY'VE SIGNED BASED ON OUR DESIGN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COMPLETED THE SOLAR STUDY.
UM, WE MADE SURE THAT ALL THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY SHIELDED.
UM, WE PROVIDED AN UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATES ITS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE RIVERWALK, UM, PRETTY SEAMLESSLY, WHICH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY WAS VERY INVOLVED IN.
UM, WE PROVIDED DETAILED, UM, CUT SHEETS, UM, AND DESCRIPTIONS OF THE, THE WINDOWS TO BE USED.
UM, WHICH I MEAN, I THINK GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, ABOVE WHAT YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WE SEE UP AND DOWN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER OF NEW BUILDS AND SAY THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, ABOVE, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE AND, AND, AND MOST
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OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AREA, UM, THAT YOU OVERLAY.UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY THOSE WERE THE, THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE WENT THROUGH ON CONSENT.
UM, SO IT WASN'T A, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING REALLY DRASTIC THAT WE SAW AS BEING REQUESTED.
UM, SO WE COMPLIED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
UH, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC THINGS THAT, THAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO? I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED YOU TO COVER SOME OF THE MAJOR THINGS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A, IN A, BEEN A LONG ROAD, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS, UM, APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR? I'D BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE TO ACCEPT THE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR COA WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
THE, UH, APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, 1602 BROADWAY.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN, UM, BE READY TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.
I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH FORD POWELL.
CARSON FOUR 20 BROADWAY, SUITE 100.
UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING ON THIS LARGE BLOCK ON BROADWAY.
I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL REQUEST, BUT, UM, SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
ONE IS THERE'S AN EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE MOVED OR RELOCATED.
IT SEEMS TO BE IN A SIMILAR LOCATION TO ONE OF THE NEW STRUCTURES, POSSIBLY SIMILAR IN SIZE.
AND WONDERING, UH, IF, UH, IT WAS STUDIED TO INCORPORATE THE EXISTING BUILDING INTO THE PROJECT RATHER THAN RELOCATING IT.
SO SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1611 NORTH ALAMO? YES.
SO WE DID LOOK AT, UM, OPTIONS EARLY ON IN DESIGN TO TRY TO INCORPORATE, UH, THE RESIDENCES ACTUALLY BOTH OF THOSE HOUSES, UH, 1611 AND 1613 INTO THE LARGER MASTER PLAN.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE SCALE, WHILE IT IS SIMILAR IN TERMS OF SCALE, THE RESIDENCE DOES HAVE A PRIMARY FACE FACING ALAMO AND OUR DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY NEEDING TO HAVE MORE CIRCULATION AND ACCESS INTO THE, UH, SHOPS THAT ARE JUST SOUTH OF IT, FACING CASABLANCA STREET.
AND IF WE DID INCORPORATE IT, SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE CORNER, BUT IT'S ONE BLOCK IN, OR ONE, UH, ONE PROPERTY IN IT WOULD ELIMINATE ACCESS TO ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL FRONTAGE.
AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ACCESS TO THAT LAST WING, IT WOULD PUSH ALL THE RETAIL FRONTAGE TO THE CASABLANCA SIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE MID-BLOCK SIDE.
AND SO IT KIND OF DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A PINCH POINT FOR US TO UTILIZE AN URBAN CORNER TO ITS MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.
IF IT WAS ON THE CORNER, SUCH AS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET AT 1606 NORTH ALAMO, WHICH WE ARE, WE CAN GET TO IN A MINUTE, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE THINK WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT WHERE WE ARE PLANNING TO KEEP IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY INCORPORATE INTO THE LARGER MASTER PLAN.
'CAUSE IT TAKES UP A PRIMARY CORNER OF ALAMO IN CASA BLANCA.
DO YOU HAVE A LOCATION FOR THE PROPOSED TWO STORY? SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT LOCATION AT THIS POINT.
WE KNOW WE'RE MOVING IT UP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
WE'VE GOT BENJI DRE WITH FULCRUM, IF WE WANNA PULL HIM UP, WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK ABOUT THE PROCESS THERE, BUT WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LOT ITSELF IS AND WE KNOW WE'LL BRING THAT BACK WITH.
SO THE OWNER OWNS THE BLOCK, UH, JUST TO THE EAST WITH THE ONE STORY THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO INCORPORATE? YES.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET? YES, SIR.
THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL, CORRECT? YES, WE DO.
SO ONE THING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER, HOPEFULLY YOU'RE STUDYING THAT IS MAYBE JUST MOVING IT ACROSS THE STREET SO THAT IT STAYS BASICALLY IN THE SAME, IN MOST CONTEXT, UH, LOCATION IN THAT, ALONG THAT BLOCK.
AND YOU'D HAVE TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UH, SIDE BY SIDE IN, IN THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT, AS WE MOVED IT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S AMONG OTHER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, IT MAY BE LESS OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S IN A SEA OF RETAIL.
UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WE CAN PLAY WITH.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, A LANDSCAPE PLAN IS PART OF THE FINAL SUBMITTAL.
UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE INCORPORATING SOME MORE SHADE,
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UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE INTERIOR OF THE, OF THE BLOCK.UH, IT SEEMS TO BE VERY WELL HARDSCAPED AND CORRECT.
UM, SHADE IS ALWAYS CRITICAL HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, YES, IT WILL THERE BE ARE YOU, ARE YOU EXPLORING A SIGNAL LIGHT AT PEARL PARKWAY AS IT CROSSES THE BROADWAY? YES.
ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THAT? WE ARE, YES.
AND IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PLAN.
SIR, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, UM, STEP UP TO THE MIC PLEASE AND THEN, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH FULCRUM DEVELOPMENT AND WE ARE ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE BROADWAYS PROJECT.
SO YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON A POSSIBLE, UH, SIGNAL LIGHT THERE? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S NECESSARY AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S THE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST QUESTION, UH, ALONG BROADWAY, WHICH IS, UH, YOUR MAJOR FACADES AND, AND THAT FACES DUE WEST MM-HMM
UH, HOPEFULLY AS YOU DEVELOP THESE PLANS, YOU'LL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME MORE SHADING AND POSSIBLY ARCADES AS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THAT SHADE FOR THE, ON THE BROADWAY INDUSTRY AND ALONG BROADWAY.
WHICH OTHER PROJECTS ALONG BROADWAY HAVE INCORPORATED THOSE, THOSE PUBLIC ELEMENTS? CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON BROADWAY WITH SOME TREES AND CANOPIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF INFRASTRUCTURE BELOW GRADE WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO CONTEND WITH AND THOSE DUCK BANKS.
SO, UM, IF IT'S OFF THE BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, SHADE STRUCTURES VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, TREES, WE'LL, WE'LL EXPLORE THAT AS WELL.
UM, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DRAWING, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKAGE THAT SHOWS AN OVERLAY OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE ONTO YOUR PROPOSED PLAN? UM, WE DON'T HAVE IT ACTUALLY LIKE SUPERIMPOSED ON TOP OF THE SITE PLAN ON THIS ONE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT HOW FAR BACK IT SITS FROM THAT CORNER IF IT HELPS TO SEE.
WELL, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST ONCE WE HAVE, UM, A MOTION IN PLAY OR MAYBE I CAN MAKE A MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PLEASE GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, YEAH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ITEM.
UM, I WANT TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVAL FOR NUMBER ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATION, BUT ALSO WITH I GUESS ANOTHER NUMBER EIGHT, ONE THROUGH SEVEN PLUS A NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS REQUESTING A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING BEFORE YOU RETURN.
THAT WAY YOU CAN ADDRESS A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS YES.
BUT ALSO TO SHOW US WHERE YOU PROPOSE, WELL FIRST OF ALL, SECOND WHERE.
UM, BUT I DO WANT A THANK YOU, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THAT DRC TO SHOW US WHERE YOU PROPOSE TO MOVE THE HOUSE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF IT WERE TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY OR TO MOVE ACROSS THE STREET AS SUGGESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND USE THE DRC FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE PURPOSE BECAUSE WITHOUT SEEING THE OVERLAY OF THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND YOUR PROPOSAL, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE TO THAT, AND EVEN TO CONSIDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK KEEPING IT IN SITU IS, IS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
UH, KEEPING IT WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT BLOCKS OR LOTS IS SECOND, MOVING IT UP THE STREET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT NEVER BELONGED.
UM, IT'S A DELIGHTFUL WAY TO USE IT.
IT CAN, UH, INFILL THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK, UH, INIT OR VERY CLOSE TO ARE DESIRABLE AND WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHEN YOU COME TO A DRC.
WE'LL, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, UM, IS FINE.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A DRC MEETING.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, DISCUSSION FOR THIS APPLICANT.
WE'RE WE'RE IN COMMENTS, RIGHT? WE COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
WELL, I, I WANT TO JUST TO ECHO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ENO'S CONCERN.
I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THE, THE BUILDINGS STAY WHERE IT IS FIRST, RIGHT? AND THEN SECONDLY, THAT IF IT'S GONNA MOVE, IF IT'S POSING AN INCONVENIENCE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT NEXT TO IT, THAT PERHAPS THE HOUSE IS MOVED WITHIN THAT, THAT PROXIMITY AND THEN, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, BUT ACROSS THE STREET HURTS MORE THAN IF IT JUST MOVED OVER.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND IT PROBABLY HAS AN IMPACT.
UM, BUT UM, THAT'S WITHOUT EXPLORING, UH, WHAT IMPACT, WHAT POSITIVE IMPACT
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IT CAN HAVE STAYING THERE BECAUSE ONCE THE CHARACTER IS COMPLETELY CHANGED, IT'S AS IF IT NEVER EXISTED.SO IT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE CRITERIA, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE TO, TO BUILD IT INTO, UH, THIS BEAUTIFUL DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE.
AND THAT'S THE BAD THING ABOUT HAVING SUCH A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, IS IT, IT ONLY PROVES THAT, THAT IF YOU TRIED, YOU COULD DO IT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, MAYBE A BIT RADICAL, BUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY, UM, I THINK WHERE, WHERE MY SUPPORT WOULD BE IS TO CHALLENGE ALL TO HOLD THAT BUILDING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, STAND NONE.
MAY I HAVE, UM, A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
3 0 1 HAN, UM, IS BEN BOWMAN HERE? OKAY, GREAT.
YOU CAN STEP UP TO THE, UH, PODIUM HERE.
IF YOU WANNA STATE YOUR NAME, UM, INTO THE MIC, JUST PUSH THAT BUTTON ONCE.
MY NAME IS BEN BOWMAN AND I'M THE ARCHITECT AND DESIGNER ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, MR. BOWMAN, I JUST, I PULLED THIS FOR ONE DETAIL.
UM, OVERALL I, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE YOU GUYS CLEAN UP THE, THE PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE ENVELOPE AND, UH, REMOVING THE STAIR THE WORK IS GOING TO BE, UM, REALLY EXCELLENT.
UM, THE FRONT, I'D LIKE TO FOCUS MY, MY CONVERSATION ON THE FRONT CHANGES THAT YOU'RE MAKING, THE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF THE STAIR THAT, UM, WHAT IS IT, THREE RISER STAIR, IS THAT ORIGINAL OR DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADDED AT SOME POINT? I BELIEVE IT'S ORIGINAL.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING THAT, UM, EXPANDING, MAKING THOSE REVISIONS TO EXPAND THE AREA, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE WELCOMING AND YOU'RE USING MATERIALS THAT WORK PERFECTLY FINE.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY WISHED WOULD RETURN TO THAT MODIFIED PORCH WOULD BE THE WROUGHT IRON HANDRAILS THAT WROUGHT IRON IS.
SO, UM, SO, UM, INDICATIVE OF THAT STYLE, IT'S VERY CHARACTER DEFINING.
SO, UM, MIGHT THERE BE A WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT INTO YOUR CURRENT MODIFICATIONS? I, I THINK ON AN OBJECTIVE LEVEL, DEFINITELY YES.
I THINK I SHOULD CONFER WITH MY CLIENT WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY BEFORE WE, UM, COMMIT TO THAT KIND OF DECISION.
BUT I THINK, UM, FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, WE DO NOT EXCEED THAT 30 INCH.
SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE IT, AND WE'VE OPTED OUT OF IMPLEMENTING THAT TO PREVENT AN ADDITIONAL VERTICAL BARRIER IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO THE INTENTION IS TO, UM, CREATE A PLACE WHERE, UM, EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GATHER.
AND, UM, I CAN ATTEST THAT SHE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF HELPING KNIT INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
SO THE INTENTION IS LIKE, AFTER A VERY LONG WORK DAY, YOU CAN SIT OUTSIDE AND HAVE A HAPPENSTANCE INTERACTION.
AND SO THE RAIL ALSO KIND OF IS A LITTLE LESS INVITING TO THAT IDEA, I WOULD SAY, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT.
SO I, I THINK, UM, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD COMMENTS AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK THERE'S MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF COMPETING, UM, COMPETING DRIVE AND DESIGN DIRECTIVE ON THAT FACT THAT YOU'RE MAKING IT LARGER.
THE PORCH LARGER RIGHT AWAY SAYS THAT YOU'RE MAKING IT INVITING RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE HANDRAIL DOES IS IT THEN COMPLETES THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE SAY, THE WELCOMING OF THAT NEW ELEMENT INTO THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
THE, THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT STYLE AND THE MATERIAL THEN ACTUALLY INCLUDES THAT NEW MODIFICATION.
UM, AND ALSO FROM, UM, I GUESS FROM A ORIENTATION STANDPOINT, IT CLARIFIES WHAT IT CLARIFIES WHERE THE FRONT ENTRY IS BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT A SIDE STAIR OFF THAT PORCH AND TO SH TO PUT THE HANDRAILS ON THE FRONT GIVES, UM, UH, THAT PLATFORM A SENSE OF HIERARCHY ON THE CORNER AND INDICATES THE, THE, THE FRONT ENTRY AS IT WERE.
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HI.UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE NOT USE THE WROUGHT IRON RAILS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE A FULL SIZE HEADBOARD THAT WAS SPLIT AND ATTACHED RATHER THAN THE WROUGHT IRON THAT ACTUALLY MATCHES WHAT'S ON THE REST OF THE FACADE OF THE HOME.
SO I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DIY, UM, REPURPOSING OF NON, THEY WEREN'T ORIGINAL RAILING, I DON'T BELIEVE.
AND TODAY FROM ARU, A STRUCTURAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE NON-FUNCTIONAL.
THEY'RE ALMOST MORE DANGEROUS THAN, OKAY.
WELL, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK, UM, SYMPATHETIC OR COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT'S THERE, I THINK COULD, UM, CREATE A A, A NICE COMPLETED PACKAGE WITH THE FRONT FACADE.
SO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, INCLUDING STIPULATION EIGHT TO INCLUDE, UM, NO, THAT'S NOT, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO AND ADD NUMBER THREE TO REINSTATE THE FRONT, UH, ROD IRON HANDRAILS.
IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERTY SECOND.
I WOULD LIKE TO, WELL, CAN I JUST ASK, UM, AN IGNORANT CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
UM, DOES THAT STIPULATION CONCERN THE, THE FRONT STAIR FACING BRA HAND STREET ONLY, OR ALSO ADDRESSING THE SIDE STREET JUST BRA HAND.
I JUST COMMISSIONER BROOKE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE STIPULATION.
ALSO BASED ON THE COMMENT FROM THE, THE DESIGN THAT'S PROPOSED TODAY, AND I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE YOUR DESIGN, I DON'T SEE REALLY A SPECIFIC PLACE TO PUT THOSE HAND RAILINGS.
'CAUSE THOSE HAND RAILINGS ARE FOR LIKE A THREE STEP AND I DON'T SEE YOU RECREATING THAT.
SO I, I FIND IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANNA EXTEND IT AFTER YOUR FRONT PORCH AND THEN KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST AT THE END OF IT.
AND THEN BASED ON THE QUESTION OF THE OWNER SAYING LIKE, REPLICATE, THERE IS A LOT OF WROUGHT IRON AROUND THE WINDOWS AND WHICH IS DIFFERENT DESIGN FROM WHAT'S, UM, THOSE HENRYS, I, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S RIGHT TO PUT THAT KIND OF ASK ON THE APPLICANT.
UM, MAY I COMMENT THAT, UH, THAT WAS THE REASON I ASKED WHETHER THE STAIR WAS ORIGINAL? MR. CHAIR? SIR, GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO MAYBE REDIRECT, UM, QUESTION TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION MM-HMM
UM, MONICA, IF, UM, IF WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE RAIL IS NOT ORIGINAL, THEN PERHAPS IT'S APPROPRIATE JUST TO DROP IT OFF AND LET THEM DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROS AND CONS OF, OF, OF WHAT'S HISTORIC.
NOT IN THE, NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, A SPLIT HEAD RAIL IS HISTORIC.
ALTHOUGH IF IT WAS A PICASSO PIECE, IT WOULD BE RIGHT.
UH, SO MAYBE IT JUST MAKES THE MOTION EASIER JUST TO, TO, TO DROP THEM OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, IF IF IT'S A HEAD RAIL, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A HISTORIC RAIL.
UM, IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HISTORIC OR NOT, IT'S A STEP SET AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT, UM, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNFAIR TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S A RAIL THERE, BUT AS A DIY MAYBE IT'S NOT, UH, MAYBE IT WOULD LOOK BETTER WITHOUT IT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST FOR THE MOTION MM-HMM
UM, I WOULD TEND TO, UM, I WOULD RETAIN THE MOTION BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THE, UH, WR IRON IS MATCHING THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, BUT IT IS WHAT'S THERE.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF I, I BELIEVE IF WE, UM, UNLESS WE HAVE, CAN WE GO TO SLIDE NINE, WHICH HAS A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF THE RAILING OF THE HANDRAIL.
SO JUST THEY'RE MODIFYING THE ORIGINAL TO A DESIGN THAT I'M NOT SURE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S EXISTING WITH THE WR IRON.
AND THAT'S MY WHOLE, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON RIGHT THERE ON THAT VIEW COMPARING OR MAYBE CHANGE STIPULATION TO RELOCATE THE RAILINGS WHERE POSSIBLE.
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT ADDING THIS TO A RE I MEAN, THEIR FRONT PORCH DESIGN IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT'S EXISTING, SO WE'RE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
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SEE LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY CREATING KIND OF, UM, I DON'T, BUT THERE'S A WALL, UM, IN BETWEEN THE NEW STEPS THAT ARE RECREATED.SO I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT WHERE IT'S GONNA LOOK ODD.
I'M LIKE, I'M RELOCATING JUST BECAUSE WE WANNA KEEP SOMETHING HISTORIC, THEN WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THE STIPULATION OPEN TO RELOCATING AT ANY SPACE IN THE PROPERTY WHERE THE APPLICANT FINDS IT APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE AND NOT DICTATING THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THIS NEW ENTRANCE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
WHEN YOU SAY, UM, INTRODUCE SOME ROD ON RAILS THERE, DO YOU SAY RE RELOCATE THE EXISTING OR PROVIDE NEW RAILS THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE REST OF THE, UH, IRON WORK ON THE HOUSE? I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE OWNER TO DETERMINE.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT WHEN I THINK IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE RAILING ITSELF, LIKE YOU, YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE THERE.
SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A RAILING THERE, I I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FAIR, YOU KNOW, TO SAY OKAY, TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHES.
BUT I THINK THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY CLEARLY DON'T MATCH THAT.
I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO JUST DROP THAT OFF THE MOTION, UM, AND THEN LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT, IT CLEARLY DOESN'T FIT THE DESIGN THERE AS DO OTHER, SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO, UM, THE PORCH ITSELF, THE MODIFICATION DOES NOT REALLY STRICTLY FOLLOW THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE EITHER, BUT I FEEL LIKE HAVING THE PORCH OR THE NEW STOOP EXPANDED IS A REASONABLE REQUEST.
UM, HAVING, UM, SOMETHING HISTORIC OR SOMETHING IN THE, THE MATERIAL LANGUAGE THAT IS HISTORIC, LIKE THE WROUGHT IRON RAIL, WHETHER IT'S THE OLD ONE, THE EXISTING ONE, OR A NEW ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP COMPLETE THE DESIGN AND BRING THE, THAT MATERIAL, UM, LANGUAGE OUT BEYOND THE FACE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST TAKE A VOTE AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.
I THINK, I THINK ONE, ONE WAY TO LOOK AT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MONICA, IS THAT THERE'S A, THE HARD SOLID ELEVATION AND THAT THAT FINE LINE ABOVE IT ENABLES JUST, IT CARRIES THROUGH THE LINE.
UM, BUT THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT, THAT JEFFREY WAS USING, I THINK IS A GOOD LANGUAGE.
IT DOES BOX THE, THE APPLICANT IN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT IN, IN FASHION OF THE DIS OF THE STYLE AND DESIGN OF, LET'S JUST SAY THE ELEVATION THAT WE SEE MOST PROMINENT, RIGHT? UH, SO RATHER THAN IT FAILING OR OR PASSING OR FAILING, PERHAPS THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY JUST GIVE A SECOND TO THINK ABOUT THAT SAME MOTION.
BUT WITH THE LANG, WITH ADDING THAT LANGUAGE THAT JEFFREY'S PROPOSING THAT, THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT, THAT GIVES THEM A GUIDELINE FOR HOWEVER IT IS THAT THEY DO IT, BUT THAT IT FOLLOWS A PARTICULAR AESTHETIC, THE AESTHETIC OF THE EXISTING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE MOTION? COMMISSIONER SINO? I'M SORRY.
ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION AT THIS POINT? I'LL WITHDRAW IT SO THAT IT CAN BE REFINED.
I THINK IT'LL GO QUICKER THAT WAY.
I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UH, APPLICATION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION OF INCORPORATING, UH, A PAIR OF, UM, HANDRAILS AT THE, UM, BRA HAND, UM, SET OF STEPS, UH, IN THE STYLE OF, UH, OR, UH, IN THE STYLE OF OTHER WROUGHT IRON ON THE HOUSE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE EXISTING RAILS.
BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR CLEANING THAT UP.
BUT THAT'S THE INTENT AND THAT GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM TO, TO ADJUST IT.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
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ITEM 10, PLEASE.[00:40:07]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 7 5 2 2 2 SOUTH ALAMO.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN AND STIPULATION OF APPROVAL REGARDING THE SCREEN SCREENING OF ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EITHER INSTALL AN ARCHITECTURAL SCREENING ELEMENT IS PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED, OR THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE AND PROPOSE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THAT RESULTS IN ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BEING SCREENED, RESULTING IN VISUALLY UNOBTRUSIVE ROOFTOP ELEMENTS.
UH, THE APPLICANT MICHAEL MONSO IS HERE FROM OVERLAND, UH, AND WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION AND COMMISSIONERS IF NEEDED, STAFF CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, AS TO THE REQUEST OR WHY THIS ITEM'S ON THE AGENDA.
IF THAT'S NEEDED, THEN JUST LET ME OR CORY KNOW.
SIR, DO I NEED TO
UH, WE HAD PRESENTED THIS PACKAGE.
IS MIKE ON THERE? IS IT ON IT'S OR JUST? ALRIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH OHP AND CERTAIN SELECT MEMBERS OF HDRC IN DESIGN REVIEW COUNCILS TO EXPLORE THE LAST REMAINING STIPULATION FROM OUR PERMANENT APPROVAL, UH, FOR THE MONARCH HOTEL DOWNTOWN, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, CERTAINLY YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING AT THIS POINT.
UH, THE STIPULATION WAS THAT OUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE VISUALLY UNOBTRUSIVE AND WHAT WE HAD CONTENDED WAS WE'VE SOLVED THAT.
WE'VE MET THE SPIRIT OF THAT REQUEST IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE INTERNALIZED INTO THE BUILDING.
UH, OUR POLLUTION CONTROL UNITS FOR OUR RESTAURANTS, OUR GENERATORS AND SUCH ARE WITHIN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WITH LOUVERED WALLS, UH, IN THIS VIEW AND, AND IN THE SUBSEQUENT VIEW, YOU CAN SEE ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF, UH, THIS AREA, UH, UH, UH, BEHIND OUR POOL BAR, WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS SCREENED WITH A STUCCO WALL AND IT'S ROOFED.
UH, WE HAVE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT IS ON THE HIGH ROOF OF THE BUILDING THAT IS MAINLY JUST EXHAUST AND OUTSIDE AIR UNITS AND SOME DUCT WORK.
UH, WE HAVE TAKEN THAT EQUIPMENT AND CREATED A STRUCTURAL WELL ON THE ROOF OF THAT, UH, UH, THE, THE HIGH ROOF.
WE'VE CREATED A, A TWO FOOT DEEP DEPRESSION TO PUT THE DOAS UNIT IN.
UH, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY PULLED ALL OF THE DUCK BUR AS INTERNAL AS WE CAN.
UH, WE BELIEVE, AND WE HAVE, WE THINK WE HAVE SHOWN THAT IT IS VISUALLY UNOBTRUSIVE FOR PEDESTRIANS FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS FROM A HUNDRED OR 200 OR 500 FEET AWAY.
AND THERE WERE LOTS OF DIFFERENT BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS WHERE BECAUSE OF, UH, THE 3D MODEL THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE OF THE 3D MODEL OF DOWNTOWN, WE WERE ABLE TO PINPOINT AND SHOW DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS, WHICH ARE IN THIS PRESENTATION, UM, RIGHT HERE.
UH, AND WE SHOWED THAT THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, THE, THE DUCT WORK THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE HIGH ROOF IS NOT VISIBLE AT ALL.
THE STUFF THAT'S INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING IS CERTAINLY NOT VISIBLE, AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE PUT IN THIS MECHANICAL AREA, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR EQUIPMENT, IS NOT VISIBLE.
UH, AND SO WE JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MET THE STIPULATION TO NOT BE VISUALLY OBTRUSIVE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, VIEWS FROM CIVIC PARK, UH, TORTURE FRIENDSHIP FROM, UH, SOUTH ALAMO, KIND OF LOOKING NORTH.
THERE WERE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS SUBSEQUENTLY THAT SAID, UH, WE NEEDED TO EXPLORE HIGHER ELEVATION VANTAGE POINTS.
THAT IS, UH, THE POINT AT WHICH YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT, JUST THE DUCT WORK THAT'S ON THE ROOF, AND THAT THAT VIEWPOINT WAS TAKEN FROM THE NEIGHBORING, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A ROOFTOP BALLROOM OR SO OF THE PALACIO RIO.
IN SOME OTHER AREAS, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, THAT IS NOT, UM, IN KEEPING, I THINK WITH THE SPIRIT OF JUST MAKING THE EQUIPMENT VISUALLY UNOBTRUSIVE WHEN WE'VE SHOWN IT'S NOT FROM THE PEDESTRIAN PLANE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ARGUMENT WE WERE MAKING.
UH, THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM MULTIPLE VANTAGE POINTS.
WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.
UH, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, MONOCHROMATIC, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COLORING OF THE ROOFTOP DUCT WORK THAT'S THERE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE.
UM, THERE WERE OTHER REQUESTS OF MAYBE PUTTING FENCING UP, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT EXPLORING FENCING THAT MAINTAINED CLEARANCES AND SERVICE
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ZONES AROUND SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT, THE FENCING ITSELF BECAME THE MOST VISIBLE PORTION.AND SO WE FELT LIKE THE VISIBILITY OF THE FENCING HIDING THE EQUIPMENT BECAME MORE VISUALLY OBTRUSIVE THAN THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU COULDN'T SEE.
UH, AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, ED EDWARD HAS WORKED REALLY WELL WITH US ON ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS, UH, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LEADING TO THIS FINAL ONE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAID IS WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, UH, WISH TO ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT.
WE JUST WISH TO ASK THAT, UH, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT WE THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED IT.
MR. CHAIR, I JUST, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
UM, ARE YOU COMPLETE, SIR? ARE YOU GOOD? UH, YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE'S OTHER PAGES IN HERE, BUT I, I KNOW, UH, UH, MONICA AND A LOT OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT, UH, TALKING THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS WITH US.
UM, SIR, UH, IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED, SO LET ME TRY TO, TO, TO CUT TO SOME CHASE HERE.
UH, THE, THE, UM, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING AND, AND ONE CAN SEE THAT THE DESIGN INTENDS A PERSON TO LOOK UP AT IT, SEE THE, THE ARTWORK THAT'S UNDERNEATH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I, I HAD TO ASK THIS A QUESTION HERE, OR YES, IT'S A QUESTION.
IT'S A QUESTION, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A COMPLICATED, THIS IS A BIG BUILDING.
THIS IS A, AN IMPORTANT BUILDING.
IT, IT, IT, IT ALMOST REQUIRES SOME ARCHITECTURAL EXPERTISE TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
SO IT HAS A THIN LINE AT THE TOP.
AND I IMAGINE LOOKING UP, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM EXACTLY AS YOU SEE IT, AS YOU IMAGINE IT.
THE ONLY QUESTION THAT, THAT, THAT I CAN SEE IS REASONABLE IS WHAT DO YOU SEE FROM THE HEMISPHERE? SO, SO, SO THAT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IS ONE THING, RIGHT? THEN THE ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE A PERSON'S EXPERIENCE FROM ABOVE OR AT THAT LEVEL.
AND, AND SO FAR THERE'S NOTHING MUCH TALLER THAN THE HEMISPHERE, RIGHT? SO FROM THE HEMISPHERE, WHAT DO YOU SEE, UH, WHEN YOU SAY FROM THE HEMISPHERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY SOURCE PLAZA ON THE ROOF OR CIVIC? UH, THE TALL BUILDING.
THE, THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS? YES.
FROM THE, FROM THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS.
I, I THINK, UM, THE BUILDING HAS TOPPED OFF, I, AND I PROMISE I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THE, THE BUILDING HAS TOPPED OFF AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO OUR 17TH FLOOR, NOT THE TALLEST BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN, BUT ONE OF, UH, AND FROM THAT AREA, THAT VANTAGE POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS.
I CAN SEE EVERYONE'S EVERYTHING.
AND FROM THE PALACIO, A TALLER BUILDING OR, OR, UH, OTHER BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT ARE TALLER, I CAN SEE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
WELL, BA BASED ON THE, THE, THE, THE, 'CAUSE THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UH, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
RIGHT?
IF, IF YOU HAD TO COVER SIX FEET AT THAT LEVEL, VERTICALLY E EVEN IF IT WAS A DESIGN SCREEN, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE DESIGN ELEMENTS.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN, IF I CAN JUST SAY, IF YOU HAD A, LIKE A PRAIRIE HOUSE, RIGHT? OR IF YOU HAD LIKE A ME VAN MONROE BUILDING, YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING ON THAT ROOF, RIGHT? SO I'M IMAGINING THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE SAME FEELING ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THAT THIS IS YOUR BUILDING AND THE LINE HAS TO BE CLEAN, BUT, BUT YET YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME MECHANICAL VISUAL, UM, FROM, FROM CERTAIN VANTAGE POINTS.
WE FEEL IT'S INEVITABLE, LIKE WE SAID, AT AT A SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT OF FROM WHAT HEIGHT SHOULD THIS NOT BE VISIBLE? THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER, AND I THINK, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION MORE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION MORE, THIS IS JUST ONE LITTLE BIT PIECE THE QUESTION THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS IT THAT, IS IT THAT THE DESIGN IS PERFECT AS IT IS WITH THE, WITH THE MECHANICAL STICKING UP AND THAT YOU WOULDN'T FIND A MORE PERFECT, UH, A SITUATION IF YOU HAD AN EXTRA DESIGN ELEMENT THAT HID THAT, OR YOU'RE OUT OF BUDGET ALREADY AND IT'S A BUDGET CONSIDERATION.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION MUCH BETTER NOW.
I THINK, UH, TO BE FAIR, EVERYTHING IS A BUDGET CONSIDERATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I FEEL LIKE FOR OUR BUILDING IN THIS SECTION KIND OF SHOWS, UH, THE, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, UH, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN'T EVER JUST HIGHLIGHT THE, THE WING THAT GOES OUT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.
UH, WE CREATED THAT WING THAT COVERING OVER THE TERRACE LEVEL.
THAT'S AT THAT 17TH FLOOR, CORRECT.
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SCREENING ELEMENT TO BLOCK SIGHT LINES, BUT ALSO AS A, UH, AN ICONIC SIGNAGE PIECE FOR OUR BUILDING.THE MONARCH HOTEL WILL HAVE BUTTERFLY, MONARCH BUTTERFLY THEMED ARTWORK.
UH, THAT WILL BE LIT ON THE, ON THE SOFFIT OF THAT, UM, UH, UH, OF THAT 17TH FLOOR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, COVERING.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S MEANT TO LOOK UP AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THAT KNIFE EDGE ON, ON, ON THE END.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN, FOR SURE.
MR. CHAIR, UM, FOR YOU TO, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, I'LL GO AROUND THE SECOND ROUND.
AND IT'S A QUESTION, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, AT PICTURE 38, SLIDE 38, UM, THE, SO IN STIPULATION D, THE UDC SAYS SCREEN FROM IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK THE APP, I MEAN, THAT'S MY DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT SAYS, UH, BEING CONSISTENT WITH UDC AND SHADING THAT FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON, ON PAGE 38, WHICH IS THE RIO BALLROOM ROOFTOP.
RIGHT? THE, THE UDC SAYS STAFF.
I, I'M NOT FOR SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
ARE YOU ASKING, SO THE UDC SAYS THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO SCREEN IT PUBLIC, AND THEN THE, THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE ALSO TAKES INTO IMPLICATION, OR IT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION VIEWS FROM OTHER BUILDINGS AS IT REQUIRES ROOFTOP OR, OKAY, BUT SCREENING, WE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER BUILDING AROUND, WHICH IS CLEARLY SHOWN THERE.
ESPECIALLY ALSO THE, THAT PICTURE OF THE PALACIO ROOF, IF YOU REALLY SCREEN ZOOM INTO WHERE THE MAN IS STANDING, I ALSO SEE UNSCREEN, I MEAN, EVEN IF THIS BUILDING WAS FIVE FEET TALL, THEN YOU WOULD ALSO BE SEEING IT.
I I THINK THERE'S SOME UNFAIRNESS HERE OR JUST JUSTIFY, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE OF THE PALACIO, UH, BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, SO, UM, I'M NOT FOR SURE ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHEN WE REVIEW AN APPLICATION FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR IS, IS ROOFTOP SCREENING OR ROOF IS ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT OR SERVICE EQUIPMENT SCREENED.
UM, IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION, THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF SAW THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY THE POTENTIAL FOR EQUIPMENT TO BE SEEN FROM VARIOUS POINTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THIS STUDY CAME FROM.
UH, WE DISCUSSED IS ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT VISIBLE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM 100 FEET, FROM 300 FEET, FROM 500 FEET.
UM, AT SOME POINT, UM, YOU'LL GET FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING TO WHERE YOU CAN BE ON THE STREET OR ON A SIDEWALK AND LOOK UP AND SEE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT IS STAFF'S DIRECT.
AND PRIMARY CONCERN IS, IS IT IS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT GOING TO BE SCREENED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT THE STIPULATION CAN BE MET, UM, FROM DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S SCREENED FROM THE NEAREST INTERSECTION, IT'S SCREENED FROM PARTS OF THE MARKET SCREEN.
UM, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET FAR ENOUGH AWAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND SEE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
AND THAT'S STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN.
SO YOU STILL, AFTER THE STUDY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED TO US, HAVE FOUND THAT IT'S SEEN, THE REASON WE'RE HERE, AND I'LL, SORRY, I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE, IS WE ARE SEEKING HRCS INTERPRETATION OF THIS ISSUE.
AND SO THE CODE SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE SCREENED OR INCORPORATED OR INTEGRATED INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
WHEN THE HCRC PREVIOUSLY ADDED THAT STIPULATION ABOUT SCREENING, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A PHYSICAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ACTING AS AN ACTUAL SCREEN, WHAT THE APPLICANT, WHICH IT IS ON THE FIRST WHATEVER THAT OTHER LOWER FLOOR OF THE POOL, RIGHT? WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING ITSELF ON THE TALLEST ROOFTOP, THAT IS ACTING AS SORT OF NATURAL SCREENING AND IS SCREENING THE EQUIPMENT FROM THE MOST COMMON KIND OF PEDESTRIAN STREET VIEWS.
UM, AND SO THAT IS NOT A DECISION THAT STAFF IS ABLE TO MAKE.
AND SO WE ARE REFERRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION STATEMENT FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER YOU THINK THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR PREVIOUS STIPULATION.
SO, BUT THE UDC SECTION DOES NOT SAY SPECIFIC ABOUT SCREENING, AND ACCORDING TO FINDING D OR DIGEST DOES NOT.
MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHOULD EITHER BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW OR THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF SHOULD BE INTEGRATED WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S ONCE COMMISSIONER GRU IS DONE.
SORRY IF I MAY JUST, NO, I'M NOT YET, SIR.
SO COMMISSIONER GROUP, YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH, QUESTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, FOR STAFF.
SO THERE'S NO PERCENTAGE BECAUSE IT'S INEVITABLE.
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HIDE THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE, UH, UH, PORTION UP THERE.SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GIVE AND TAKE AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
MAYBE 80%, 60%, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WALK AROUND THE BUILDING, WHAT ANGLES OF OF IT, UH, IS IT VISIBLE FROM AT THE GROUND LEVEL? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND SO WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE? IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT, I MEAN, THAT'S IDEALLY IS WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF IT'S 80%, 60% JUST BASED ON WHERE YOU'RE STANDING, THAT'S UP UP TO US DECIDE.
THE STAFF IS SAYING IS, I THINK I'M NOT FINISHED TALKING.
YOU REQUIRED SCREENING, RIGHT? THERE'S NO SCREENING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M POINT OF ORDER.
MR. CHAIR, I, I DON'T WANNA BE INTERRUPTED.
I DON'T INTERRUPT ANYONE ELSE.
COMMISSIONER GROUP, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
SO COREY, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YEAH.
UM, THERE IS AN INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH TO THAT STANDARD.
SO I'LL JUST READ THIS AND THIS MIGHT GIVE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT.
UM, THE SECTION IS MINIMIZING IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORS IN DOWNTOWN.
MANY PROJECTS CAN BE VIEWED DIRECTLY FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES WHERE TENANTS AND RESIDENTS HAVE CLEAR SIGHT LINES TO ROOFS AND BACK HOUSE FUNCTIONS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT NEW PROJECTS RESPECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND THAT THE MAJOR MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, PENTHOUSES AND LIGHTING SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO LIMIT ADVERSE IMPACTS.
SO THAT, THAT GIVES US LEEWAYS WHAT I'M INTERPRETING FROM THAT.
A QUESTION FOR, UM, FOR STAFF AT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I HEARD YOU GUYS SAY THAT, THAT THE, AT A HUNDRED FEET AT IT, IT WAS NOT VISIBLE AT 200 FEET.
IT WASN'T VISIBLE, VISIBLE FROM, FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIGHT LINES.
BUT I HEARD A COMMENT THAT AT, AT SOME POINT IT IS VISIBLE.
DID YOU GUYS, AT WHAT POINT WAS IT VISIBLE? DID YOU EVER FIND THAT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE, THE EXERCISES THAT, UH, WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE.
UM, I WILL, UM, UM, IF YOU LOOK HERE AT THE SCREEN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, THERE'S THREE RINGS.
THE THIRD RING IS A THOUSAND FEET, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS, AND I THINK EVEN A FEW PHOTOS NOW THAT THE BUILDING'S TOPPED OUT AND THERE'S SOME EQUIPMENT, OR AT LEAST SOME, UM, MASSING AT THE ROOF LEVEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY THE, THE DIFFICULT THING ABOUT A STUDY LIKE THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE VIEWS WITHIN EACH OF THESE RINGS TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE EQUIPMENT AND THEN BASED ON EXISTING STRUCTURES OR MASSING OR THE STREET GRID, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COREY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEKING THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE TO BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE THERE WERE, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, MORE VIEWS.
UM, AND THEN THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ALSO THE FEEDBACK OF WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SCREEN, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT WAS AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MICHAEL CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE VIEWS AND WHY SPECIFIC VIEWS WERE PICKED.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE TORCH, YOU KNOW, THE CORNER OF OF MARKET AND SOUTH ALAMO WHERE THE TORTURE FRIENDSHIP IS VIEWS FROM THE GREAT LAWN WITHIN CIVIC PARK, UH, THE COMMISSION REQUIRE, OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE REQUESTED VIEWS FROM THE PALACIOS BALLROOM.
UH, SO MICHAEL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK I SORT OF GOT MY ANSWER.
I WAS, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE A SPOT.
I, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A QUANTIFIABLE AT X FEET YOU COULD SEE IT, AND THAT WAS, THAT'S REALLY IT.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING EDWARD SAYS.
I AGREE WITH, WITH ALMOST EXACTLY HOW HE PUT IT, UH, FROM THAT KIND OF PEDESTRIAN RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE SIDEWALKS, FROM THE DIFFERENT AREAS WE TRIED TO CHOOSE, UM, VERY PERTINENT, VERY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, KNOWN TORTURE, FRIENDSHIP, CIVIC PARK, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE AREAS WITHIN CIVIC PARK.
WE FOUND THAT WITHIN THE 500 FOOT, YOU REALLY COULD NOT SEE THE DUCT WORK.
AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE SAYING WAS LOW TO THE GROUND.
YOU HAD TO BE AT AN ELEVATED LEVEL, WHICH WAS BROUGHT UPON WHEN WE WERE ASKED ABOUT THE PALACIO, UH, OR SOME AREAS WHERE WE WERE SHOWING A THOUSAND FEET AWAY OR 700 AND SOMETHING FEET AWAY WITH NO TREES IN OUR MODEL.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ACCURATE IS THAT? IT'S AS ACCURATE AS OUR MODELING COULD GET.
UH, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS EXERCISE, WE DID DEMONSTRATE NUMBER ONE, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE POINT OF REFERENCE.
UH, CERTAIN EQUIPMENT WAS BROUGHT IN THE BUILDING, CERTAIN EQUIPMENT WAS SCREENED ON THE LOWER FLOORS, AND THE FINAL ROOFTOP, ROOFTOP WAS STUDIED FOR ALL THESE CONCENTRIC RINGS.
AND ONCE WE HAD KIND OF DEMONSTRATED YOU COULD NOT SEE THAT WITHIN A REASONABLE 500 OR SO FOOT RADIUS, THE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED, WELL, WHAT ABOUT AT OTHER ELEVATED PERSPECTIVES? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
SO DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
QUESTION, UM, ON PAGE 33, THE COMPARATIVE RENDERINGS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE
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BUILDING THAT THAT RENDERING IS TAKEN? UH, THE REAL, THE, OR THE POND? SO THOSE ARE THE SHALLOWS, UH, UHHUH, I'M SORRY.I MIGHT HAVE TO, TO ASK HIM TO GO BACK A PAGE SO I CAN LOOK AT THE RINGS.
WAS THAT FOR STAFF OR WAS THAT FOR APPLICANT? EITHER ONE WHO CAN ANSWER MAYBE MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHERE IT IS, BECAUSE FROM THAT LOCATION, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE EQUIPMENT.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT FOOT DISTANCE IS THAT? I'M SORRY, SHE WAS LOOKING AT ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS FROM ME OR NOT, SIR.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE SHALLOWS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.
SO SOMEWHERE OVER 500 FEET PLUS MINUS, MINUS SIX OR SEVEN.
THEN YOU TO GET FROM THE CIVIC PARK, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENCLOSURE THAT WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE ROOF, NOT THE, THE DUCT WORKER.
SO, OH, YOU CAN, IF ON THE UPPER ONE, THE NO SCREEN YOU CAN SEE, BUT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THAT POINT, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT POINT WAS.
SORRY, ABOUT 500 FEET OR SO, GIVE OR TAKE, I MEAN, YEAH, OVER 600 FEET, MAYBE SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE TO 600 FEET.
I I'D LIKE TO, I, I'M, AND I'M NOT, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED.
I SECOND, SECOND MOVE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WE MOVE THEM PROBABLY SECOND WE'LL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, ARE WE, YOU HAVE COMMENTS, YOU, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS DOWN THERE.
I WANNA, I WANT TO JUST KINDA SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINK OF OVERLAND, WE KIND THINK OF A, OR I DO, I THINK OF LIKE A PERFECT ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, VERY FOND OF A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF OVERLAND.
SO I, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THAT IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, THE SOLUTION.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE IN, IN THE PHASE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT, AND I WONDER HOW DID THAT GET PASSED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INITIAL DESIGN, BECAUSE PHOTOGRAPHY FROM THAT SPOT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY IS PHOTOGRAPHY IS ALL FROM THE AIR.
SO HOW THAT AFFECTS YOU, THE CODE AND ALL THAT, I THINK IS ONE THING.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN THEY TAKE THAT PICTURE, IT'S YOUR BUILDING, YOU KNOW? UH, NOT THAT ANYBODY SHOULD BE GIVEN A, A FINGER LASHING THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY STILL WORTH ALL, UM, JUST SEEING IF THERE'S AN IMAGINATION AND THEN SEEING IF SOMEBODY IN THERE WILL EAT THE BUDGET.
UH, ONLY BECAUSE THE, THE STANDARD OF Y'ALL'S WORK IS, UH, THAT BUILDING'S A TESTAMENT TO IT.
SO LOOKING UP AT IT, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE SOLUTION AND IT, IT'S GONNA BE AN ASSET.
LOOKING AT THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, IT'S A SHOCK BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER SEEN A BUILDING THERE LIKE THAT.
THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN THIS TOWN.
SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BUILDING.
UH, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M A LITTLE, UH, AESTHETICALLY HURT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA SEE THAT PART OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S LIKE, AH, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT
SO I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE MEAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THE, UH, BUILDING TO BUILDING, THAT'S IN MY COMMENT.
I'LL, I'LL HAVE A GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO STAY CONSISTENT.
SO THE, THE AMENDMENT IS BASICALLY BECAUSE THE STIPULATION OF THE FULL APPLICATION SAID TO SCREEN ALL MECHANICAL.
WAS IT SPECIFIC THAT STIPULATION TO THE ROOFTOP OR JUST IN GENERAL? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SCREENING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN, IN GENERAL.
AND IN ONE OF THE, UM, AS THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS AT LIKE THE THIRD LEVEL OR SO.
I MEAN, WE WANNA SCREEN MECHANICAL.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
THIS WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO WE'RE KEEPING THE APPLICATION, THE SORRY STIPULATION THAT ALL SCREENING THE MECHANICAL BE SCREENED.
AND HERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE AMENDMENT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT TWO FEET DOWN WITH NO SCREEN.
WE'RE MAKING IT BECAUSE IT'S LESS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER PET? YES.
UH, ON SHEET 33, I BELIEVE IT SAYS THAT THE, UH, OKAY, MAYBE IT'S 37.
UM, THERE'S A SIX FOOT SCREEN THAT SCREENS PART OF THE EQUIPMENT.
SOME OF THE DUCT WORK SEEMS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE SCREEN, UH, AND MAYBE SOME OTHER PARTS AND PIECES OF THAT SYSTEM THAT ARE VISIBLE
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THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE, UM, BALLROOM, I BELIEVE, OF THE PALACIO HOTEL.UH, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREEN THAT YOU SHOW ON? UM, IS IT 27? YES.
THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
WAS THAT ALSO A SIX FOOT SCREEN? I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SHOWN AT EIGHT FEET.
AND, UH, THIS WAS A RESULT OF THE ITERATIONS OF THE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ALL HAD HAD.
THIS WAS A FENCE THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SURFACE, SERVICEABLE ZONES OF THE DOAS AND SOME OF THE OTHER EQUIPMENT.
IT BECAME, UM, VISUALLY APPARENT FROM THE STREET AND IT WAS HIGHER THAN THE EQUIPMENT.
SO SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT IS ABOUT SIX FEET OR PLUS OR MINUS.
AND SO WE PROVIDED A SCREEN WALL THAT WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET TALL, UH, OUTSIDE OF THOSE SERVICEABLE ZONES.
AND IT WAS APPARENT, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THEN LED TO, WELL, COULD WE HAVE A SCREEN THAT WAS TIGHTER TO THE FACE OF THE INBOARD EQUIPMENT AND MAYBE AT THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT GETTING OUT TO THE STAIRS TO PROVIDE THE DUCKS FOR THE PRESSURIZATION, UH, POKE THROUGH.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT EVEN IN THIS, UH, VIEW HERE, THEY HAVE TO GET TO THE STAIR, THE STAIR PRESSURIZATION, UH, UH, FANS THAT ARE ON THE ROOF.
UH, SO WHEN WE SUCKED ALL THE FENCING IN AND MADE IT LOWER, YOU COULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET ANYMORE, BUT IT WAS NO LONGER AT EVEN THAT OPTION, A CONTINUOUS RIBBON OF SCREENING.
AND THAT SCREENING THAT WAS IN THE VIEW THAT YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING WAS DONE AS A RESPONSE OF THIS VIEW, WHICH THAT, THAT'S A SUPERIMPOSED PHOTO OF A RENDERING OUR, OF OUR BUILDING ON THE PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE PALACIO.
AND SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT, THAT OTHER OPTION.
AND THEN THE, UH, OTHER IMAGES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THAT WITH AND WITHOUT THE SCREEN FROM THE SHALLOWS AND FROM OTHER VANTAGE POINTS, THAT'S WITH THE SEVEN OR EIGHT FOOT TALL SCREEN OR WITH THE SIX FOOT SCREEN? THE, WELL, THERE, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S TWO VERSIONS.
THE, THE, THERE'S IMAGES THAT WE'VE SHOWN FROM DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS WITH NO SCREEN.
AND THE VISION, THE IMAGES FROM THOSE VANTAGE POINTS WITH THE SCREEN IS THE SEVEN FOOT SCREEN.
UM, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THE, THE, UH, UDC OR THE GUIDELINES ARE, ARE FAIRLY CLEAR TO TRY TO SCREEN OR TO, UH, LOOK AT SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND HOW, UH, THE NEW ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, UH, WILL IMPACT THEIR VIEWS AS WELL.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THIS.
OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I, I THINK I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRU.
I MEAN, AS YOU'VE TAKEN AN EFFORT TO, TO TRY AND MITIGATE IT.
I KNOW THAT IT CAN'T 100% BE DONE, BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS FROM, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE OVER THERE THAT SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SKYLINE, THIS IS A VIEW.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY BE VOTING FOR THE MOTION, ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT MAYBE DO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TRY AND MINIMIZE, UM, THAT, THAT VIEW THERE.
MR. MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO, UH, MENTION SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE QUICKTIME THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO VOTE.
I THINK PART OF THE, THE THING THAT SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION HERE IS THAT THERE'S A SILHOUETTE THAT'S CREATED ON A THIN RAZOR LINE, AND IT HAS THESE LITTLE PROTRUDING ELEMENTS THAT ARE REALLY PART OF THE MAJOR DESIGN.
A, A WALL THAT COVERS THE MECHANICAL WOULD COVER THE ME MECHANICAL, BUT THEN IT WOULD ALSO MINIMIZE THE LINE AND THE SILHOUETTE.
SO THEN THE TRADE OFF IS OKAY, THEN WE SEE THE MECHANICAL, WE GET, UM, A MAXIMIZATION OF THE THIN LINE AND THE SILHOUETTE.
BUT YOU SEE THE MECHANICAL THERE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE IN A NO-WIN SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PARTICULAR.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE BUILDING'S BUILT AND THE MECHANICAL IS WHERE THE MECHANICAL IS.
SO IT'S ALMOST TO PUT 'EM IN A SITUATION TO DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY, REALLY PUNCHES AT THE IMPACT OF THE SILHOUETTE IS, IS THE WORST CIRCUMSTANCES, ALMOST LIKE THE BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES TO ENABLE THE SILHOUETTE TO
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EXIST AS MUCH AS IT POSSIBLY CAN.AND THE MISTAKE OR THE TRADE-OFF HAS BEEN NO SOLUTION FOR THE MASSIVE MECHANICAL SYSTEM AT THE TOP OF THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
UH, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
I DO WANNA THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR DOING THOSE ADDITIONAL VIEW STUDIES FOR THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION.
UH, IT'S HELPED US TO, UH, GET A BETTER VIEW OF, OF WHAT WE WILL AND WON'T SEE.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME.
ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 7 3 3 19 STEER.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, CONSTRUCT A 330 SQUARE FOOT EDITION ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EXISTING HOME.
TWO, INSTALL A SHADE COVERED CARPORT WITH STEEL COLUMNS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OVER EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
INSTALL A NEW HORIZONTAL WOOD SLACK GATE IN SAME LOCATION AS EXISTING PICKET WOODEN GATE SLASH FENCE ACROSS DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 300, 330 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FACADE FACING THE RIGHT OF WAY FEATURE FENESTRATION AND THE WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR THE EASTERN FACADE.
FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND OPERATIONS TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SHADE STRUCTURE SLASH CARPORT.
BASED ON FINDINGS, A D AND E THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A HORIZONTAL WOOD SLOT GATE, SLAT GATE, AND SAME LOCATION AS EXISTING FENCE SLASH GATE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND F.
UM, JENNIFER YOUNG, OUR APPLICANT IS HERE, AND PLEASE NOTE YOU HAVE A LETTER AS WELL AS, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL LATE MATERIALS IN YOUR FOLDER, WHICH INCLUDES IMAGES OF THE HOME.
PRESS THE, THIS, OR HERE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ON YOU.
HI, I'M JENNIFER YOUNG AND I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
MY, MY PROJECT SEEMS SO MUCH SIMPLE, SIMPLER THAN ALL THE OTHER ONES WE'VE HEARD TODAY.
BUT, UH, THANKS FOR STICKING WITH ME AND, UH, ACTUALLY ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO IT JUST ONE MORE TIME.
UM, OUR FATES MAY ALREADY BE SEALED, BUT I FELT LIKE THERE WERE A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT WERE WORTH, UM, DISCUSSING.
SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS TODAY, UH, ARE THE HIGH WINDOWS ON, UM, THE EAST SIDE, THE HIGH WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION, UM, IN THE DESIGN.
AND, UM, I KNOW I'VE ALREADY STATED THIS, BUT THE REASON THAT WE WANNA HAVE WINDOWS, HIGH WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE, THERE ARE SEVERAL.
TWO, UH, THE, THE ROOM ITSELF HAS CERTAIN DESIGN FEATURES INSIDE THAT REALLY ONLY ALLOW FOR HIGHER WINDOWS, UM, AND TO BRING IN SOME NATURAL DAYLIGHT HIGHER UP ON THAT WALL AND NOT VIEWS FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH IS BEING USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO HAVING HIGHER WINDOWS WILL ALLOW THE, MY CLIENTS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY, UM, OR A LOT MORE PRIVACY.
THERE ARE ALSO, UM, ON THE EXISTING HISTORIC HOME HIGH WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE THAT MIMIC THESE HIGH HORIZONTAL WINDOWS.
AND THESE WERE IMAGES THAT I SENT KAITLYN EARLIER TODAY, AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE IN YOUR FILE.
SO THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME, IN THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOME, THIS IS THE ADDITION IS TECHNICALLY NOT IN THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOME 'CAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN 2000.
IT'S ADDING ON TO A PORTION THAT WAS BUILT IN 2007.
SO THAT'S, UH, CONSIDERATION NUMBER ONE.
UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, IN YOUR REPORT YOU HAVE A FINDING C THAT STATES THAT THE HISTORIC WALL OF THE HOME AND THREE WINDOWS
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WILL BE, ARE BEING PROPOSED OR WILL BE DEMOLISHED.AND THAT WALL ITSELF IS ACTUALLY PART OF AN ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED IN 2007.
SO I WOULD, UH, THEREFORE I ASSUME THAT THAT PART OF THE HOUSE IS NOT HISTORIC, SO REMOVING THEM, UH, WOULD BE OKAY.
HOWEVER, I, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS BE PUT ON THE SOUTHERN FACADE AS YOUR REPORT REQUESTS FACING THE DRIVEWAY WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BLANK WALL AT THE DRIVEWAY LEVEL.
UM, AND LASTLY, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE CARPORT, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT AND FOR SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THIS HAS BEEN JUST A NEVER ENDING, ONGOING, UM, ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE ALL LISTENED TO FOR YEARS.
UM, I HAVE DRIVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY CLIENT HAS SENT ME 50 IMAGES OF ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE PUT ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOME.
THERE ARE COUNTLESS NUMBER OF CARPORTS NEXT TO HOUSES.
SOME OF THEM ARE PERMANENT, SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, FREESTANDING TENTS, I WOULD SAY FROM HOME DEPOT.
UM, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I'M STANDING HERE TODAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER SOLUTION.
AND MAYBE THERE'S, THIS IS TIME THAT YOU CONSIDER, UH, SEVERAL, DEVELOPING SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM SO THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T COME AND PUT UP WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT TO BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT VISUALLY AESTHETIC, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
SO THAT'S SORT OF, THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE.
I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE AN ELEGANT, MINIMAL CARPORT DESIGN THAT DOESN'T OBSCURE THE HOME AND POTENTIALLY COULD BE USED UH, IN THE FUTURE AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU MIGHT DEEM APPROPRIATE.
SO JUST THREE, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THIS IS LISA LYNCH CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING PAGE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 7 3 3 19.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLING ASSOCIATION MET WITH THE OWNER ON TWO OCCASIONS TO DISCUSS THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT REGARDING THE ADDITION.
THE OWNER CONCURRED WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO INCORPORATE WINDOWS INTO THE STREET FACING BLANK WALL OF THE ADDITION.
THE WINDOW SHOULD BE OF SIMILAR SIZE AND PROPORTION TO THE HISTORIC WINDOWS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WIN WOOD WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE.
WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE ADDITION SHOULD BE LIKE THE EXISTING GROUP OF THREE SMALL WINDOWS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE STRUCTURE.
REGARDING THE SHADED CARPORT, THE CARPORT IS A CHALLENGE.
WHILE THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF UNAPPROVED AND UNPERMITTED SIDE YARD CLOTH SHADE SAILS IN KING WILLIAM, WE DO NOT ENDORSE THEM.
THEY DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OUR STRUCTURES.
A WOOD FRAME PERGOLA STRUCTURE WITH FOLK VICTORIAN DETAILING MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE OPTION AND SUGGESTED THAT THE OWNER MEET WITH OHP TO DISCUSS THIS APPROACH.
THE DRIVEWAY GATE, THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF HOUSE WE'D RECOMMEND.
AND THE OWNER AGREED TO INCORPORATE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY GATE OR ONE RECONSTRUCTED TO MATCH IT INTO THE PROPOSED SLIDING OR SWINGING MECHANISM.
WE DON'T RECOMMEND HORIZONTAL BOARDS.
THEY'RE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE ABOVE STIPULATIONS.
MAY I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS FROM THE, UM, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS I, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THOMAS AND ANNE, THE CLIENTS ABOUT THIS, IS THAT HAVING VERTICAL SLATS ON THE GATE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FINE, IN MY OPINION.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HORIZONTAL.
UM, AS I'VE SAID, I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH ADDING A WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
I THINK THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED FOR OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL AS MY OWN, ARE A MORE, A, A MORE LIGHTWEIGHT OPTION FOR A CARPORT INSTEAD OF A REALLY HEAVY
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WOOD PERGOLA.AND ALSO THE HIGHER WINDOWS ON THE EAST FACADE OR SOMETHING THAT I REALLY, UM, I FEEL STRONG MORE STRONGLY ABOUT.
MAINLY BECAUSE THE, THE ROOM INSIDE REALLY ONLY HAS CERTAIN OPTIONS FOR THE WALLS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CAN USE IT.
SO IF YOU PUT A WINDOW AND OPEN, OPEN ON THE CENTER OF EVERY SINGLE WALL, THEY CAN'T USE THOSE ROOMS VERY WELL.
AND, UM, MAYBE THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH OF A REASON.
BUT, UM, THE HIGHER WINDOWS, AGAIN, THERE'S A PRECEDENT ON THE HOUSE ITSELF, ON THE WEST WALL FOR THE SAME STYLE.
SO I FELT THAT PUTTING THOSE WINDOWS, UM, WAS A, AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.
SO CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 12? I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.
SO THE THREE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE RELOCATING, WHERE ARE THEY RIGHT NOW? YES.
BUT YOU'RE RELOCATING THEM TO THE BACK OF THE CAR, RIGHT? NO STREET FACING.
SO THOSE WINDOWS ARE ABOVE A KITCHEN COUNTER AT THE MOMENT.
UM, THIS WAS PART OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS ADDED IN 2007.
WHERE ARE YOU? I'M SUGGESTING THAT ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS GOES TO THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION WHERE YOU HAVE REQUESTED WE PUT A WINDOW, SO WE WE'RE USING ONE AND NOT USING THE OTHER TWO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT MODERN DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE, THEY'RE NOT NO.
AND UM, YOU WOULD NOT PUT TWO ON THAT END OF THAT LIVING ROOM.
WELL, I GONNA SAY MY SECOND QUESTION.
WHERE IS THAT EXISTING HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S IN YOUR LATE FOLDER? NO, I SEE A PICTURE, BUT I WANNA SEE IT ON THIS.
WHERE IS IT LOCATED ON THIS? UH, CAN I, CAN I POINT SO IN THE BACK, FACING THE BACK SHE CAN, YOU CAN USE THE MOUSE.
AND THEY WERE ADDED TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, BUT THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE IN THE HISTORIC HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. CHAIR, THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, I HAVE ONE FOR, UM, STAFF AND ONE FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUGGESTION OF A WOODEN PERGOLA OF SOME SORT, WOULD THAT MEET THE GUIDELINES? UM, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS THE, UM, LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION FROM STAFF AS WE WROTE THAT RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM
NOW, SHOULD I WAIT? NO, GO AHEAD AND LET'S STAY ON THE PERGOLA TOPIC.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IN YOUR REPORT YOU SAY THAT THE LOCATION SHOULD BE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE PUTTING THE ADDITION THERE.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER PLACE FOR CARPORT.
THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, UM, THE ADDITION THAT YOU ARE BUILDING, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW, UH, PLACING WINDOWS SOMEPLACE WOULD REALLY LIMIT THE INSIDE FUNCTIONALITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A LIVING ROOM, TV, WALL SHELVES, ET CETERA.
UM, COULD YOU, UM, WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED BY REMOVING THAT HORIZONTAL WINDOW AT THE TOP? WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT? COULD WE REMOVE THAT ENTIRELY? SO YOU DON'T NEED AN, A WINDOW ON ONE? I'M NOT, BUT JUST THIS FIRST QUESTION.
CAN YOU, WOULD YOU BE OKAY BY REMOVING IT? UH, FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU NECESSARILY HAVE A VIEW OR A LIGHT THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING TO GET BENEFITS? I MEAN, I THINK THERE WOULD BE FILTERED LIGHT THAT CAME IN THROUGH THERE, BUT SINCE WE'RE ADDING ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE NOW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MORE BALANCED LIGHT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE NORTH AND SOUTH COVERED, SO EAST COULD GO AWAY.
THE LITTLE TINY HORIZONTAL WINDOWS IS JUST VERY, VERY AWKWARD AND IT IS VISIBLE.
THE EAST COMING DOWN THE STREET.
UM, PERHAPS, UM, IN LIEU OF HAVING A COMPLETELY BLANK WALL, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, ANOTHER DESIGN SOLUTION THAT WOULD SATISFY THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF AN OPENING OR A FRAMED OPENING WITH A, OR A FRAMED THING WITH SHUTTERS TO LOOK LIKE THERE IS A WINDOW BACK THERE.
MAYBE YOU'D BE OPEN TO SOME, TO A DESIGN, ANOTHER DESIGN SOLUTION TO ADDRESS THAT EAST FACE.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED? I, I JUST, SO, I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE WAY THAT THE CLIENTS CURRENTLY WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT WALL BLOCK THE WALL ENTIRELY.
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THAT A, IS THAT CONSIDERED AN OPTION TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO TAKE A TEMPERATURE OF HOW AMENABLE YOU ARE TO A DESIGN SUGGESTION LATER ON IN OUR CONVERSATION.WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING.
YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I GOT JUST A QUESTION.
REGARDING THAT, THAT EAST WINDOW, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL CONSTRUCTED A PARTICULAR WAY.
THIS IS THREE WINDOWS, LOOK LIKE A RIBBON, RIGHT? IT'S THREE MM-HMM
UM, WOULD YOU DETAIL IT LIKE THE OTHERS? I MEAN, LIKE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SEPARATE THE WINDOWS FOR SURE, SO THAT THEY HAVE THE WOODEN DETAIL AND ALL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
IN THAT WAY THERE'S SINGLE WINDOWS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF GETTING A A FOUR PLATE, FOUR, YOU KNOW, PANED WINDOW PER, I MEAN, WE COULD DO, I'M SORRY, BUT IF IT HAD TO BE THAT, IF IT HAD TO BE LIKE THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT HAD TO BE THAT, THAT THEY WERE SEPARATED AND THAT THEY HAD AT LEAST SOME REFERENCE TO THE HOUSE ITSELF.
'CAUSE HERE THEY'RE JUST SHOWN AS MODERN, KINDA VERY MODERN, THIN MINES.
IS THAT WHAT'S UP? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S UP.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE LEAVING NO WINDOW AND FAKING IT WHEN YOU COULD GET A, THE WINDOW TO DETAIL IT BY BEING INFORMED BY THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF THEY MATCHED THE TWO ON THE WEST SIDE AND WE WENT DOWN TO, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO MATCH OR, OR, OR THAT WHATEVER THE DETAIL IS ON ANY OF THE WINDOWS, THEY SHOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS.
UNLESS THE BOARD WAS SAYING THAT, WELL, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL, THE COMMISSION AND THAT THEY SHOULDN'T MATCH MM-HMM
UH, THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD GO THAT ROUTE.
SO IT WOULD BE DETAILING TO BE LIKE, IN A, LIKE, MANNER AS THE MOST HISTORIC PART OF THE BUILDING.
IF, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO KEEP THAT IDEA OF THOSE SMALL WINDOWS, BUT WE'LL SEE.
I MEAN, I, I, I, I'M OPEN TO NO, IT, IT'S, I'M NOT GONNA SAY, OH, I MUST HAVE THESE THREE WINDOWS OR NONE.
THAT'S NOT MY GOING INTO THIS.
DISCUSS THE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH IT'S BALANCED.
IT'S JUST, I THINK A QUESTION OF COMMISSIONER BA THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW AND THE DETAILING.
LET'S, LET'S GET INTO THE DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I'LL MOVE TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO, UH, APPROVE AS COMMISSIONER GROUP IS APPOINTED.
MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IT'S MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
AND THEN, UM, SO LET'S JUST DISCUSS POINT BY POINT, RIGHT? THE WINDOWS IS ONE THING.
SO I, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE WINDOWS WERE BUILT TO AN ADDITION IN 2007, THEY WERE PROBABLY PUT THE WAY THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS THE THREE WINDOWS WITH THE SPACING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE OTHER SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
I CAN'T SAY TO THE NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS THAT ONE RIGHT.
WITH PUTTING THE WINDOWS AS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ADDED IN 2007, THEY WERE PROBABLY ADDED FROM WHAT THERE WAS BEFORE ON THE ORIGINAL.
SO WE'RE KIND OF JUST PUSHING IT OUT.
UM, THE CARPORT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE CARPORTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST MAKING A FANCY VERSION OF WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THE HOME DEPOT VERSION AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? SO I FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE.
LIKE, AND ALSO BY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMENTS IS THE PROBLEM YOU'RE HAVING IS YOU'RE CREATING A FRONT PARKING, LIKE BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION, YOU'RE REMOVING THE OPTION OF PARKING IN THE BACK.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH, AND NOT REALLY BEING ABLE TO DO A, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE CREATING YOURSELF THE PROBLEM OF HAVING TO NEED A CARPORT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE CREATING A PARKING IN THE FRONT AND YOU'RE CREATING A STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT REALLY, SO I WOULD SAY ALL THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED EITHER.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE GOTTA GO WITH, DO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WANNA DO THIS ADDITION RIGHT THERE AND THEN MAYBE CREATE, LIKE THE ADDITION MAKES LIKE A SHADED STRUCTURE WHERE YOU CAN PARK THE CAR? OR ARE WE REMOVING THE ADDITION FROM THE SIDE, PUTTING IT IN THE BACK SO YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO PARK IN THE BACK? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I DID THE MOTION.
I THINK ALSO WHERE STAFF HAS THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, DO I HAVE ANY ABILITY? UM, YES, YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN PUT AN ADDITION AT THE BACK OF THE HOME.
THE EASEMENTS PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
SO THE NUMBER ONE NEED FOR MY CLIENT IS TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE I COULD ADD IT TO THE FRONT, BUT THAT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING.
I MEAN, AND NOT TO THE FRONT, BUT LIKE TO THE, I'M TRYING TO SET IT BACK AS FAR AS I POSSIBLY CAN AND ADD ON TO, UH, A GABLE THAT WAS ADDED IN 2007 SO THAT THERE'S NOT YET ANOTHER MASSING ADDITION TO THE HOME.
I REALLY LIKE, THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS IN TERMS OF THE ADDITION.
SO I, I, I TOTALLY RESPECT AND HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION
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FOR WHERE THE CARPORT, UM, WOULD GO OTHER THAN WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY SHOWING IT.UM, WOULD THE, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP CONSIDER ADDING A DRC UH, REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANS PRIOR TO COMING BACK FOR FINAL? THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL.
I THINK THE OPTION IS ALWAYS THERE.
I DON'T LIKE TO PUT IT IN THE MOTIONS BECAUSE THE CLAN, THE, THE APPLICANTS ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION AND WE CAN RECOMMEND IT, BUT I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO PUT IT AS A STIPULATION.
YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT AS YOU DEVELOP THE, THESE PLANS TO ASK FOR A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, TO GET SOME INPUT BEFORE YOU COME BACK BEFORE THE FINAL.
WE HAVE DONE ONE OF THOSE WITH, UM, I FORGET WHICH COMMISSIONERS WERE PRESENT.
AND I THOUGHT OTHER COMMENTS, UM, MR. CHAIR? YES.
I'D LIKE TO JUST, UM, UH, TOUCH ON THE ORIGINAL CONCERN I HAD WITH THE EASTERN, THE WINDOWS ON THE EASTERN FACADE.
LIKE A TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONED DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY PUTTING A WINDOW IN, YOU ARE FILLING IT IN WITH A COUPLE OF WOODEN SHUTTERS.
SO FROM THE OUTSIDE IT APPEARS THE, THE COMPOSITION OF THAT FACADE MEETS THE GUIDELINES.
UM, BUT FROM THE INSIDE IT'S A SOLID WALL WITH SHEEP ROCK.
AS A, AS A WAY OF, UM, MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT AND ENSURING THAT, THAT THE END WALL SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO CONTINUE WITH THE ADDITION IN THAT LOCATION SO THAT END WALL CAN CONTINUE TO, CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE PURPOSE THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED.
BUT A DRC, UM, ANOTHER DRC, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, DO ONE OF THOSE, UM, WE'D, YOU KNOW, BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS TOO.
MR. CHAIR, I WANNA ASK A QUESTION OF THE CHAIR.
SO THE, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MASSING IS APPROVED AND THE, UM, THE WINDOWS ARE AN ISSUE AND THE FENCE IS AN ISSUE, BUT OTHERWISE, AND THE, THE COVER, BUT OTHERWISE THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE, THE LIVABLE SPACE IS FOR THE MOST PART CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED, RIGHT? THE ADDITION AND WITH, I MEAN, IF IT PASSES, RIGHT.
CAN I JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION? SURE.
ON THE WAY RELATION PER STAFF IS TO MAKE IT A TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN, SO WHEN WE HAVEN'T DICTATED YET, IT WILL BE THREE OR TWO TO THE SIDE, OR, YOU KNOW, AN OPENING THAT'S BIGGER.
SO LIKE THAT IS NOT DICTATED IN THIS MOTION.
SO IT STILL KEEPS THE OPTIONS OPEN OF HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? MM-HMM
WHEN, WHEN DOES THAT GET DECIDED? WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE IN.
JUST GOING BACK TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND MAKING SURE THOSE, I KNOW THOSE ARE IN SUPPORT OF A FEW THINGS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERTICAL SLOTS ON THE SLATS ON THE GATE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE TAKEN INTO CON INTO CONSIDERATION GOING FORWARD, IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? YES, YOU CAN.
UH, SO YES, I, I BELIEVE I DID SAY THAT I'M OKAY WITH VERTICAL SLOTTS ON THE GATE AND FENCE.
AND MA AND MA'AM, YOU UNDERSTAND YOU, THERE'S GONNA BE TWEAKS THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE BEFORE YOU GET FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS, CORRECT? YOU, YOU, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT AND COME BACK WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR FINAL.
THIS IS WHAT, WHAT I GUESS I WOULD UNDERSTAND AS A COA OR NO, IT'S NOT.
JUST A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL RIGHT NOW.
LOOKS LIKE NO MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
UH, MAY I HAVE FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
I WANNA ASK CORY IF HE CAN, IF HE CAN TAKE A QUESTION WITH ME, ALL RIGHT.
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WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE WERE JUST DOING.NO, I, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I KIND OF NEED TO UNDERSTAND A CONCEPTUAL FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I CAN'T SAY THAT I RECALL THAT, UH, AS A THING.
SO WHAT, WHAT, HOW DO YOU CONCEPTUALLY GIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING IT WOULD NEED TO RETURN HERE WITH CHANGES BEFORE ISSUING THE COA AND, AND I GET IT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 4 1 7 2 37 WEST TRAVIS STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 2 37 WEST TRAVIS STREET.
WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING INSTALL, ONE MONUMENT SIGN FEATURING INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION LOCATED WITHIN THE PROPERTY'S COURTYARD.
THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF TWO FEET, SIX INCHES IN THE HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, INCLUDING THE EXISTING CONCRETE FOOTER.
THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE SIGN WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 10 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS ARE NECESSARY TO CONFORM WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE DURABLE MATERIALS FOR THE REQUESTED THREE ACRYLIC FEATURES AS NOTED FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SIM, UH, SIMPLIFY THE FINISHES AND COLORS USED ON THE SIGN TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUS THE BUSINESS LOGO.
THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIED THE TYPE FACES ON THE SIGN.
AS NOTED, FINDING E AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT USED EXTERNAL LIGHTING AS NOTED IN FINDING F THE APPLICANT FROM PINNACLE SIGNS IS HERE IN PERSON.
AND IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN WALK THE, UH, COMMISSION THROUGH YOUR REQUEST.
MY NAME IS MARY WILLIAMS. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PINNACLE SIGN TEAM HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
THE ADDRESS IS 4 0 1 ISO ROAD, SUITE FOUR 10, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 6.
SO FIRST OF ALL, ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, UM, OF THIS BUILDING, IT'S A SMALL, UM, OFFICE BUILDING AND IT'S OWNED BY LO LOPEZ, SALAS ARCHITECTS AND SAAL GROUP, A GENERAL CONTRACTOR HERE IN TOWN.
AND LOPEZ SALAS HAS DESIGNED THIS SIGN.
IT'S A VERY SMALL SIGN, AND THE, THE MAIN POINT THEY WANNA MAKE IS THIS SIGN IS LOCATED WITHIN THEIR COURTYARD.
IT'S A SINGLE FACE SIGN, WHICH MEANS THE BACK OF THE SIGN THAT FACES TO THE STREET IS BLANK.
IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.
THERE'S A FENCE THERE, THERE'S FOLIAGE THERE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIGN THAT FACES INTO THEIR COURTYARD.
IT'S FOR THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN AESTHETIC, UM, AESTHETIC.
I KNOW WHAT WORD THAT THEY WANNA USE.
UM, SO THE SIGN PHASES WITHIN THE COURTYARD, AND IT HAS, UM, IT'S A SMALL SIGN.
WE'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING CONCRETE BASE THAT WAS PROBABLY THERE FOR SOME KIND OF SEATING AT SOME POINT YEARS AGO.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING TO THAT SIGN A TWO FOOT SIX BY SIX FOOT STRUCTURE PANEL.
AND ON THAT PANEL, THERE'S THREE LOGOS.
THE FIRST LOGO IS A LOGO OF THEIR BUILDING THAT THEY CALL TRAVIS COLLABORATIVE.
AND IT HAS THREE COLORS ON IT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THE, THE, THE ROUND LOGOS ARE ILLUMINATED AND THAT'S WHERE THE ACRYLIC COMES IN SO THAT WE CAN ILLUMINATE THEM.
THE SECOND LOGO IS LOPEZ SALAS ARCHITECTS, AND THAT IS THEIR LOGO WITH THEIR COLORS.
AND THE THIRD IS SAAL GROUP WITH THEIR COLORS.
AND THEN THE THREE PANELS ON THE BOTTOM ARE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE THERE AND THEY ALSO NEED TO BE CHANGED OUT AS THEY COME AND GO.
UM, THE OWNERS ARE REQUESTING THAT IT'S APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
UM, WE'RE, WE CAN ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, THE POINTS THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING.
UM, DO WE WANNA DO THAT NOW OR DO WE WANNA DISCUSS? HOW DO WE, HOW DOES IT WORK? WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU PRETTY MUCH GOT TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE, UM, DONE, UM, PRESENTING, THEN WE CAN, UM, ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND THEN FROM THAT POINT THEN WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SO I MIGHT UNDERSTAND, JUST WE CLARIFY HERE, THIS IS COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED FROM THE STREET AND PUBLIC VIEW.
BECAUSE THE BACK OF THE SIGN IS WHAT'S FACING, IT'S FACING THE STREET, OR IS IT FA THE FENCE.
SO, BUT IT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET.
THAT'S THE INSIDE COURTYARD RIGHT THERE.
YOU'RE LOOKING TO THE STREET'S.
AND SO THE SIGN'S GONNA FACE INSIDE.
AND THAT VEGETATION COVERS THE SIGN.
EVEN IF THE VEGETATION DIES, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BLANK PANEL.
SO TO SEE THE SIGN YOU HAVE TO PARK, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PARKING LOT
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AND WALK UP TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THE SIGN.SO, SO YOU'LL SEE THE FENCE AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE BLANK SIGN.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, HOW TALLER IS THE SIGN COMPARED TO THE TOP OF THE FENCE? IS THERE A, UH, IS IT, IS THERE A, THE SIGN IS SIX FEET TALL AND THE FENCE IS, IS TALLER THAN THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
I'M GONNA SAY IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT FEET FROM THE DOOR, BUT IT WOULD BE TALLER.
OTHER THING IS THE LIGHTING FROM TOP DOWN AND THE LOGO, THE TILE.
THEY'RE, THESE, THE LITTLE LOGOS ARE FIVE INCH, SEVEN INCH AND 10 INCH, BUT THEY'RE INTERNALLY LIT.
AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LIGHT ON, ON THE TOP OF THE SIGN.
THERE'S ANOTHER LED LIGHTING THAT IS DOWN LIGHTING ON THERE.
UH, ON THE TOP, AT THE VERY TOP OF THE, UM, SIGN, THERE'S A, A LIP AND UNDERNEATH THAT WILL BE THE LED LIGHTING.
THE ONLY THING THAT INSIDE, CORRECT? MM-HMM
WHAT QUESTION? UM, GO AHEAD, SIR.
TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF COMMISSIONER GROOT, THAT LIGHT, THAT STRIP OF LIGHT, IS IT ON TOP OF IT OR IS IT ON THE INSIDE EDGE OF THE SIGN? INSIDE EDGE? YEAH, THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE TOP OF IT.
YOU SEE THERE'S A SILVER BAR ACROSS THE TOP.
AND THEN, SO IT'S NOT GONNA ILLUMINATE THE BACKSIDE OF IT? NO.
UM, BRIAN, CAN YOU PUT A, OKAY.
UM, THE BACK OF THE SIGN, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT IS FACING THE STREET, CORRECT? INSIDE THE FENCE? YES.
UH, WHAT'S EXPOSED, CONFIRM THAT WHAT'S EXPOSED IS A COUPLE OF, UH, ANGLE IRONS AS A FRAME.
AND WHAT'S THAT SMALLER ELEMENT THAT'S OFF TO THE RIGHT? UM, THAT'S ABOUT HALF THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN.
IS THAT CONDUIT, IS THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE CONDUIT FOR THE LIGHTING? YES.
EXPOSED CONDUIT? WELL, WITH IT WON'T BE, IT'LL BE WITHIN SEAL.
UM, SINCE THE BACK OF THE SIGN FACES THE STREET, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW IF THE VEGETATION IS GONNA REMAIN.
IT MAY FREEZE COME MONDAY MORNING.
UM, IS IT, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A SOLID PANEL ON THE BACKSIDE TO COVER UP THE ANGLE IRON AND THE CONDUIT SO THAT IF AND WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGH THE FENCE, YOU JUST SEE THAT SOLID PANEL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AS OPPOSED TO THE STRUCTURE AND THE CONDUIT? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
YEAH, I'M, I'M SURE THEY WOULD.
OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? OH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
SPEAKING TO THE POINT NUMBER ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE MORE DURABLE MATERIALS FOR THAT, UH, FOR THOSE LETTERS, WHAT WOULD THOSE DURABLE, MORE DURABLE MATERIALS BE AT ALL? UM, YEAH, METAL, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES LIST A FEW, UM, UH, MATERIALS, BUT METAL IS, UM, WOULD BE A GOOD ONE EXCEPT FOR IT DOESN'T LIGHT
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY DESIGN DIFFERENCE.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF NOT I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE.
AS SUBMITTED WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION THAT A SOLID BACK PANEL BE INSTALLED, UH, THAT WOULD FACE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO, UH, HIDE THE FRAME AND ANY, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, PARTS MM-HMM
BASICALLY TO HAVE A FLAT PANEL THAT OBSCURES THE INNARDS.
SECOND, UH, FACING THE STREET.
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK SOMETHING TO THE MOTION MAKER, UM, AND THE APPLICANT.
I AM A LITTLE BIT, UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AT THE END, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN OPTION WHERE THERE'S NOT ANY MORE EXTERNAL LIGHTING, JUST, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEHIND THE FENCE, I THINK WE ARE
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PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THAT, UM, THROUGHOUT, I MEAN THE CITY.AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT ON NO MATTER WHERE THE SIGNS ARE.
UM, WELL, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD CONFIRM IF THESE, THEY HAVE A CONTRACT ON THEY HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN, RIGHT? AS THE, I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO, I MEAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE THE OPTIONS OF DOING THE TCB ACRYLIC LETTERING LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? BUT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONSISTENT ON THAT.
BUT ONE QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE THESE UH, THREE ACRYLIC SIGNS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? NO.
THE FENCE IS A, NOT A WR IRON, IT'S NOT A CEMENT BLOCK FENCE.
I MEAN, IT'S A FENCE THAT COULD BE REMOVED TOMORROW OR AN FENCE THAT CAN BE, BUT THE THREE ILLUMINATED DISCS FACE THE BUILDING.
IS NOT VEGETATION ON STILL LIGHTING.
AND I THINK THAT'S, BUT THERE'LL BE A PANEL THERE, I THINK.
UM, IT, IT'S, UM, IT'S A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE AND, AND THESE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK THAT, THAT, OR, UH, I WOULD, I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS.
YEAH, I GUESS MY, UM, AGAIN, IT IS VERY UNIQUE.
UM, THE INTERNAL INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ACRYLIC LETTERS WILL, WILL SHINE INWARD TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH, UM, EXTERIOR ILLUMINATION AS PRESCRIBED BY THE GUIDELINES.
UM, THAT ILLUMINATION GOES BEYOND THE SIGN EXTENSION AND THEN FLOWS INTO CAMERON STREET.
SO THERE'S A, A CONCERN FOR ME OF OVERFLOW OF LIGHTING WITH AN EXTERIOR SOURCE.
SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
OTHER COMMENTS? NOT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR SERVICE TODAY.