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IS EVERYBODY READY TO GET STARTED? IT'S TWO O'CLOCK.
CAN STAFF PLAY THE INTERPRETER VIDEO? GOOD
[Call to Order]
AFTERNOON.IT IS 2 0 1 AND I'D LIKE TO CALL TODAY'S PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER STAFF, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE? COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA.
COMMISSIONER ROHR EGRIN? HERE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
IF YOU HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT UNTIL YOUR INDIVIDUAL ITEM TO BE BROUGHT FOR UP FOR HEARING AND SPEAK.
AT THAT TIME, REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND EACH CITIZEN WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK AT THAT AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
[Consent Agenda]
THE FIRST AGENDA IS THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA.CASES THAT ARE PLACED ON THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA ARE CASES WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AND NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
ALL CASES WILL BE READ INTO THE RECORD AS A SINGLE UNIFIED MOTION AND IF SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM OR IF IT IS PULLED, IT WILL BE PLACED ON INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEMS ON THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA? IF NOT, THE SECOND AGENDA FOR TODAY IS THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING CA AGENDA CASES THAT ARE PLACED ON THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA WILL BE DISCUSSED SEPARATELY PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING A MOTION ON THE ITEM.
SO WE CAN BEGIN WITH THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA.
CURRENTLY I HAVE ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO PULLED FOR PURPOSES OF RECUSAL AND FOR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. NUMBER 6, 8, 9, 11, 12.
AND ITEM NUMBER 15 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGN TO SPEAK ON IT.
AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WITH THIS TIME, CAN STAFF READ THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA INTO THE RECORD? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME'S JOYCE PALMER AND I'M A PLANNER IN LAND ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
BUT THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS 1 2, 6 8, 9, 11, 12, AND 15, WHICH HAVE BEEN PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
AND ITEM SEVEN, WHICH HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, THE BALANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION UNDER A SINGLE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA? NO APPROVE.
MOTION FOR APPROVAL? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA BEACH BY A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER CARILLO, DO WE HAVE, UM, STAFF NEED THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
COMMISSIONER ROHR ALLEG GREENY.
[Items 1 & 2]
THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA.UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO HAVE BEEN PLACED ON INDIVIDUAL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
FOR PURPOSE OF RECUSAL, IT IS 2 0 4 AND COMMISSIONER PECK HAS LEFT THE ROOM.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO? MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
STAFF, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES.
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PASSES.CAN YOU LET, UH, IT IS 2 0 5 AND COMMISSIONER PECK HAS RETURNED.
[6. 19-6776 A request by Richard Hendrix, MBC Engineers, to appeal an Administrative Exception Variance Request for AP #P2446680 Santa Monica Hotel, located at 108 N. Medina S. Staff recommends Denial. (Kevin Collins P.E., Development Services Engineer, (210) 207-2806,kevin.collins@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM NUMBER SIX.WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.
KEVIN COLLINS, D S D ENGINEER.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, OPPOSING THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL PUTS 15 FOOT WIDE ONE-WAY DRIVE APPROACH RIGHT INTO THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH MEDINA AND WEST COMMERCE.
UM, BASICALLY THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE DRIVE APPROACH WOULD BE RIGHT AT THE RADIUS RETURN AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF, UH, A D A SIDEWALK OR A D A RAMPS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT.
UM, AND THERE IS NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.
I MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PECK.
A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THERE BEING NONE.
UH, STAFF CAN DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
[8. 19-7154 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2019-11600039 (Council District 5): A request by Juan M. Ramirez, applicant, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Guadalupe/ Westside Community Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Low Density Residential" to "Neighborhood Commercial" on Lot 11, Lot 12, Lot 23 and Lot 24, Block 6, NCB 3163, located at 2234 South Laredo Street, 2235 South Laredo Street, and 2238 South Laredo Street. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2019-10700145) (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department) ]
IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.MARCO MAVI, PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA 20 19 1 1 6 0 0 0 3 9 LOCATED AT 22 34, 22, 35, 22 38 SOUTH LAREDO IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE PLAN OF THE GUAN GUADALUPE WESTSIDE COMMITTEE PLAN FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, 37 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
COLIN GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
AND FIVE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN SUPPORT.
STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO HIS UH, ZONING REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGN AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USE IS NOT SUITABLE FOR MID-BLOCK NOR PREDOMINANTLY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDED DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE.
CAN THE APPLICANT PLEASE, UH, APPROACH THE COMMISSION? HELLO? GOOD MORNING OR I MEAN AFTERNOON
MY NAME IS DAISY AND UM, THE ADDRESS IS 2234 AND 22.
UM, WE HAD, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START.
UM, SO MY FATHER'S, UM, HE IS PRESENT TOO, BUT I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HIM.
HE, UM, HE ASKED ME TO SPEAK THE FIRST TIME WE CAME WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THERE WAS AN ERROR ON THE APPLICATION.
ON THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT WAS JUST BEING SHOWN THE FIRST, UM, TWO LOTS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO MORE IN THE BACK.
SO IT'S UM, FROM SOUTH LAREDO ALL THE WAY TO JEAN.
SO IT'S UM, A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
AS YOU COULD SEE, YOU COULD, UM, THE FIRST TIME YOU COULD ONLY, WE, WE ONLY, I'M SORRY, I'M REALLY NERVOUS.
WE ONLY HAD THE FIRST TWO LOTS, BUT IT WAS AC IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR LOTS IN TOTAL.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY WELCOMING.
UM, WE EVEN BEFORE STARTING THE WHOLE PROCESS, WE TALKED TO THEM.
UM, WE EVEN HAD THEM SIGNED, UM, WITH THE ADDRESS, THE PHONE NUMBERS, UM, OF EVERYONE THAT'S NEAR, UM, EVEN FROM
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THE JEAN AND THE SOUTH LAREDO, UM, THAT THEY LIVE THERE.UM, THEY'VE, LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY WELCOMING AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UM, PROBLEMS. THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY USED TO BE VACANT.
THERE WAS, UM, LIKE GRASS AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, JUST SLEEPING AND THERE WAS NO, UM, FENCE OR ANYTHING.
SO THEY WERE JUST RANDOM PEOPLE COMING IN AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE REALLY CONCERNED OF THAT.
SO THEY'VE BEEN REALLY, UM, I GUESS THANKFUL FOR US TAKING THE PROPERTY AND MAKING IT INTO SOMETHING, UM, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN SEE AS, I DUNNO WHAT THE WORD IS AS HELPFUL.
UM, THE COLLINS GARDEN, WE TALKED TO THEM AND THEY WERE ALSO REALLY, UM, SUPPORTIVE.
THEY, THE ONLY THING CONCERN THAT THEY HAD WAS THAT AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE PROPERTY CLEAN, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH OTHER SHOPS WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, CARS OR PARTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
HE HAS HAD HIS BUSINESS, UM, IN OTHER PLACES FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
UM, SO HE, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING HE'S JUST STARTING, SO HE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
IF THAT'S YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, NEXT WOULD BE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
BUT THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THEN, UM, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.
WE'LL START ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT WITH UH, RAWHI.
UM, JUST A, A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FIRST.
I KNOW HOW NERVE WRACKING IT IS.
UM, DO, DO YOU OR YOUR FATHER LIVE ON THE PROPERTY OR LIVE NEARBY? UM, NO, WE LIVE, UM, ON THE, WE DON'T LIVE NEAR THE PROPERTY.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THE WEST SIDE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT, HAVE YOU TALKED WITH THEM? YES, I DID CALL A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT THEY NEVER RETURNED MY CALL.
SO THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU NO REASON BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REACH THEM TO TALK TO THEM.
WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY? UM, WELL RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST USING IT AS A STORAGE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MY FATHER HAS HAD HIS BUSINESS OPEN IN OTHER, IN ANOTHER PLACE, BUT HE WAS RENTING SO HE HAD TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT IN ORDER FOR UM, 'CAUSE HIS LEASE HAD TO END.
SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE WERE, THAT'S WHERE WE, UM, DECIDED TO PUT LIKE THE CARS THAT HE WAS WORKING ON.
UM, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
HE'S NOT WORKING ON ANYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST THERE.
SO YOU HAVE ALREADY, UM, IMPROVED THE LAND FROM IT WAS, IT WAS, YOU SAID IT WAS DIRT YES.
OR GRASS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT? AS SOON AS WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE STARTED CLEANING UP 'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF GRASS, A LOT OF TRASH.
UM, AND YOU PUT STRUCTURES? NO, THE STRUCTURES WERE ALREADY THERE.
YEAH, THE ONLY THING WE ADDED WAS, UM, THE FENCES, WHICH WE GOT APPROVAL, LIKE THE GATES, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE AND THE ONE IN THE FRONT.
UM, WE ALSO MADE THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
I MEAN, LIKE, WE OPENED IT MORE 'CAUSE IT WAS REALLY NARROW DRIVE DRIVEWAY.
AND WE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE APPROVAL FROM ALL OF THAT.
YEAH, NO QUESTIONS JUST FOR CALLING MY, MY COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME.
UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S GREAT AND THANK YOU FOR GOING OUT AND GETTING THE SIGNATURES AND THE VOICE FROM THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT LOOKING IN THIS AREA, PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, IN MY OPINION, UM, SURROUNDED BY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH PARKS AND OPEN SPACE ACROSS THE STREET.
UNFORTUNATELY DON'T MAKE SENSE IN, IN MY MIND, BUT, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR ALL OF THE INITIATIVE AND THE PHONE CALLS AND, AND REALLY INTERACTING AND ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE IN THIS AREA PEOPLE HAD REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN YEARS TO CLEAN UP THE AREA TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT LOOKS VERY NICE THERE.
SO I, I DON'T SEE NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS COMING IN.
AND UH, BUT I THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO ALL THE GROUPS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, JUST LIKE YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND HOW EMPTY LOTS NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T LIKE EMPTY LOTS, BUT THE, THE LAND USAGE
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CATEGORY HERE, UH, DOES I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MATCH THE LOW DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL.I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT COULD, WHAT USES WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE PROPERTY AS IT IS? OH, SORRY.
SO CURRENTLY IT IS INDUSTRIAL.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF CONSIDERED A DOWN ZONING, BUT, UH, UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY INDUSTRIAL USE CAN BE USED RIGHT NOW IN THAT AREA.
WHAT AND THE CURRENT, WHAT'S THE CURRENT LAND USAGE CATEGORY? IS IT LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? IT IS LOW DENSITY.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, THEY PUT THE LAND USE.
SO THEY COULD DO, THEY COULD PUT A RESIDENTIAL USAGE IF THEY WANTED TO.
THEY CAN, THE LAND USE WAS ADOPTED BUT THE ZONING DID NOT FOLLOW.
THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES DID NOT FOLLOW.
SO THIS HAS INDUSTRIAL ZONING, WHICH MEANS A HOUSE CANNOT GO ON THERE TODAY WITHOUT REZONING TO RESIDENTIAL.
IF THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE BEFORE THEY COULD DO IT, IT WOULD BE LIKE NONCONFORMING USE.
BUT DOES THE INDUSTRIAL USAGE MATCH THE UM, LOW RESIDENCY RESIDENTIAL? IT DOES NOT RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, I JUST ENCOURAGE STAFF TO PLEASE WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THAT LOT.
JUNE OR STAFF? CAN YOU USE YOUR MIC? I THINK IT, IT SHUT OFF.
WAS THERE GENERAL REZONING IN THE AREA WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED? IT SEEMS TO BE SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE SOUTH, BUT A LOT OF THIS IS, UM, INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE WAS NO REZONING THAT WAS DONE AFTER THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED.
YOU, THERE'S SOME PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SECOND STEP IN THE IMPLEMENTATION EFFORT.
SOME PLANS THAT WERE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT SECOND STEP.
WHAT, WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE THAT THIS COULD HAVE WITHOUT ANY CHANGES? SO IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW, SO IT WOULD BE MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING.
UM, IT'S THE ONLY ONES I CAN THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU COULD, I MEAN, IT'D BE A VERY SMALL BUILDING.
THEY'D HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
UM, POSSIBLY SOME VARIANCES, BUT, UM, THERE IS SOME INDUSTRIAL USES THAT COULD LOCATE THERE UPON MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR, FOR STAFF THERE? ANY BEING NONE.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, A MOTION TO GO ALONG WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA.
CAN YOU STAFF DO THE ROLL CALL? WHAT WAS THE MOTION AGAIN, PLEASE? THE MOTION WAS TO UPHOLD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
UH, PLEASE WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.
NEXT WILL BE ITEM NUMBER NINE.
[9. 19-6798 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2019-11600042 (Council District 3): A request by Project Permitting of Texas, applicant, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Brooks Regional Center Area Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Urban Low Density Residential” to “Medium Density Residential” on Lot 9, Lot 10, Lot 11 and the east 25 feet of Lot 8, Block 8, NCB 7610, located at 138 Hermitage Court. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2019-10700161) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS ITEM NINE, UH, LOCATED AT 1 3 8.
HERMITAGE IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
39 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN OPPOSITION.
STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS PLANNED AMENDMENT REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
UH, WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE APPROACH, NAME AND ADDRESS AND PLEASE TELL US, UH, TELL US ABOUT YOUR LAND
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USAGE.UM, AT THIS TIME THOUGH, WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCE, UH, ON THIS.
WHEN WE CAME IN, I THINK MY CLIENT WAS THINKING THEY COULD ALREADY DO THIS AND JUST, WE HAD REQUESTED FOR A HIGHER DENSITY BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE TOWN HOMES THAN WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
THEY'VE JUMPED THE GUN SOME, AND AS THEY'RE GOING BACK AND DOING THE PLANNING, UM, THEY WANNA CLEAR OF WHAT CAN ACTUALLY GO IN THERE AND HOW MANY CAN GO IN THERE.
SO THEY'RE NOT AT THE LEVEL RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO SAY AND AGREE WITH.
THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TOWN HOMES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THERE.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE BASICALLY STILL AT THE DRAWING STAGE, SO ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE SO THEY CAN COME WITH A CLEAR, UH, PRESENTATION OF THAT.
WE, UH, DID HEAR FROM CITY COUNCIL.
I DID EMAIL BACK AND CALL BACK AND WAITING FOR THEM TO RESPOND 'CAUSE WE ARE HAPPY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TO IMPROVE, UH, THERE AND GO WITH, WITH, UH, WHAT THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING.
SO AT THIS POINT, WHILE THEY'RE STILL GOING OVER AND DEVELOPING THE PLANS FOR THAT, WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, PLEASE.
WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE DATES FOR THE CONTINUANCE? SO IF IT'S A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE, UM, IT WOULD BE OCTOBER 9TH, I BELIEVE IT IS.
DID YOU WANT A TWO WEEK OR DID YOU WANT A ONE MONTH CONTINUANCE? A ONE MONTH PLEASE.
AND THEN STAFF, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK SO WE CAN BRING THEM UP.
UH, ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, WE HAVE RAUL SERRANO.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE, UH, IN AT 1 58 MONTROSE STREET, ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 3.
I AM, UH, A RESIDENT IN THE HOT WELLS SECTION OF THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I'M SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND AS A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION.
I OPPOSE THE VARIANCE AND I OPPOSE THE CONTINUANCE ALSO, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY HAVE HAD THE, THE OPPORTUNITY ALREADY TO PRE TO PRESENT THEIR, THEIR PLAN FOR THEIR AREA.
UH, MY REASON FOR BEING UP HERE IS THAT, UH, THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY INFORMATION TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, TO PUT, BE PUT THERE.
THEY WANT A VARIANCE TO INCLUDE, UH, ZONE REZONING TO MF 33, WHICH MEANS THEY COULD PUT AT, AT, UH, AT MOST 16 BUILDINGS IN A TWO LOT AREA WHERE TWO HOMES WOULD BE BUILT.
I, I WOULD SAY WHAT, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE OCCUPY THESE TOWN HOMES, WHETHER THEY'RE RENTED OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE OCCUPIED BY OWNERS.
UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC, WELL, IT'S NOT A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HISTORICALLY IT'S, UH, YOU CAN TELL BY THE STREETS THAT, UH, WERE BUILT BACK IN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT, UH, THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM WITH CARS AT THAT TIME.
NOW YOU PASS THROUGH, UH, TWO CARS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE STREET AND ONLY ONE CAR CAN GO THROUGH.
THAT REPRESENTS A SAFETY PROBLEM AS FAR AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES GETTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, UH, I'M OPPOSED TO THE VARIANCE FOR, FOR THAT REASON.
ALSO, UH, AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, UH, I USED TO PARK ON THE STREET, UH, WHERE THERE WEREN'T ANY OTHER CARS, UH, PARKING.
BUT, UH, I GOT HIT FOUR TIMES BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
AND, UH, I, I SAID, LOOK, I GUESS I LEARNED MY LESSON AT THE FOURTH TIME.
UH, BUT, UH, WE HAD TO DE UH, ABOLISH OUR OLD GARAGE.
UH, AND FINALLY I GOT MY PARKING SPACE.
BUT SOME, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA PARK AS FAR AS, UH, UH, OWNERSHIP OR, OR, UH, RENTING IF THEY, IF THEY RENT THESE, UH, TOWN HOMES OUT.
UM, ARE YOU GOING TO GO AGAINST THE 30 SECONDS? ARE YOU GOING TO GO AGAINST THE PLANNING, UH, OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? I WAS PART OF THE PLANNING AND, UH, IN THE BROOKS, UH, REGIONAL CENTER.
AND, UH, UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA THROW THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OUT PER RIGHT NOW.
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OR R SIX, WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING.AND, UH, AND SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY THAT I OPPOSED THE, THE, THE, UH, THREE MINUTES.
NEXT SIGNED NOTE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, BRADY.
ALEX ALEXANDER BRADY ALEXANDER.
HELLO, MY NAME IS BRADY ALEXANDER.
I RESIDE AT 1 8 3 9 EAST PYRON 7 8 2 2 3.
I'M REPRESENTING THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS THE PRESIDENT AND A MEMBER, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE SITUATION.
THIS, THE COMMUNITY PLAN MATTER OR NOT.
THIS PLAN WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED THIS YEAR.
IT REPRESENTS THE, UH, WISHES OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, NOT FROM 40 YEARS AGO, WE HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE IN WEEDING OUT INAPPROPRIATELY ZONED PROPERTIES.
UH, WE GOT MANY THAT WERE ZONED MF 33 AND OTHERS, UM, DOWN TO R SIX, WHICH IS CORRECT FOR THE AREA.
HOT WELLS IS A COMMUNITY OF A HUNDRED YEAR OLD PLUS HOUSES THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED HISTORIC, EVEN THOUGH IT IS.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE COHESIVE INFILL THAT IS MATCHING WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, SETBACKS, ET CETERA, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY WOULD WANT.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S OWNED R SIX, ALLOWING 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, UH, DEPENDING ON THEIR PROPOSAL.
UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET A VARIANCE OF UP TO FOUR TIMES THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO OWN TWO LOTS ACROSS MERRIMACK AT, UH, 1603 AND 1607 LINEN.
UM, THIS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT BY PLACING, UM, HIGHER DENSITY IN THIS URBAN LOW DENSITY AREA AND WOULD JUST BE THE FIRST DOMINO TO FALL.
AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UH, NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, I PERSONALLY WALKED THAT AREA, WENT TO EVERY PROPERTY AND FLYER THEM.
UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE, AND GET THE INFORMATION TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT ISSUES THAT CONCERN THEM FROM TRAFFIC TO, UH, DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.
UH, MARY MAC USED TO BE A ALLEY, SO DID LINEN.
UM, THERE'S MANY THINGS CHANGING IN THIS AREA AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE POSITIVE INTEGRATION OF HOT WELLS, BUT NOT JUST THE PROFIT MOTIVE OF A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPER LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY.
WE ASK THAT THEY WITHDRAW THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AND NEXT WEEK'S SCHEDULED ZONING HEARING ON THIS PROPOSAL TO GO TO MF 33, MEET WITH OUR COMMUNITY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, THEY, THEY'VE HAD TWO CHANCES.
THEY DID NOT COME TO THE LAST TWO, INCLUDING THE ONE LAST NIGHT.
AND SHOW US ANYTHING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT OUR MEMBERS HAVE ABOUT THIS.
HOT WELLS IS A WONDERFUL BEAU.
30 SECONDS, WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL AREA.
IT IS, IN MY OPINION, THE MONTE VISTA OF THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE DO NOT WANNA SEE THE SAME MISTAKES DONE IN OUR AREA THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO BEACON HILL, DITY HILL AND OTHERS.
HOT WELLS SHOULD BE PRESERVED IN AT LEAST AN N C D.
THE BROOKS PLAN IS IN COHESION WITH A, WITH A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S IT FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO, OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO COME AND GIVE A REBUTTAL? UH, THEN AT THIS TIME WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.
WE'LL START AT THE RIGHT WITH MICHAEL GARCIA.
WELL, I SEE THAT THE AREA HAS HAD PLANS, WHICH IS THE INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE.
AND, UH, THIS IS NOT CONFORMING TO THEIR PLANS.
UH, STAFF HAS, UH, ISSUED A DENIAL AND, UH, I SUPPORT THAT QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
DO YOU KNOW IF, IF, OR THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, UH, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT DID PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, THE MASTER PLANNING OR THE REGIONAL CENTER PLAN PROCESS? NO, THEY DID NOT.
'CAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
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AND, UH, THERE WERE, OKAY.UH, I ECHO THE COMMENTS, UM, FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UH, AND THAT OF RAUL AND BRADY.
I MEAN, THIS WAS A VERY INTRICATE PROCESS.
UM, STAFF, UH, TOOK IT ON OVER SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, AND IT WAS THE FIRST TO GET PASSED.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, FROM THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO I DO AGREE, UM, WITH WHAT WE ADOPTED AND WHAT CURRENTLY STANDS, AND THIS DOES NOT, UH, FIT WITH THE CURRENT PLAN IN PLACE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO BASICALLY SAY THE SAME THING AS I WILL BE SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A, UH, GOOD USE FOR THIS AREA AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THE, UH, PLANNING WAS JUST COMPLETE.
I ALSO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, SIMILARLY ZONED, NOT ZONED, BUT, UM, LAND USE SIMILAR OR LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THIS LIKE IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN ON THE MAP AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SLIGHTLY BEYOND THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF LOTS HERE AND THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY ZONED MF 33 TODAY, BUT IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT THEY'RE LARGE ENOUGH TO FIT WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IF IT'S ZONED MF ALREADY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, BUT IF THEY FIND PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ZONED MF FOR THE DENSITY THAT THEY NEED, THEN THEY NEED TO REZONE THAT.
AND IF A PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED, A PLAN PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED.
UH, BUT I MEAN THERE IS A LOT, TWO LOTS OVER THAT'S MF 33, BUT NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
SO I'M, I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE AREAS OF MF 33 IN THIS AREA BECAUSE MANY OF, MUCH OF THIS AREA WAS PART OF THE OLD 1938 CODE CONVERSION TO THE 2001 U D C CODE.
SO THEY MIGHT BE ZONED MF 33, BUT THE LAND USE IS STILL, UM, UH, URBAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I JUST ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAID.
I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UM, AT THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY, UM, AT ALL IN THIS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF IT WAS ON SOUTH PRESTA, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A GROUP OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS PART QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS PARKING.
SO STAFF, WHENEVER THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF THE CODE REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER ENDS UP GOING THERE, IF APPLICABLE.
SO A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES PER UNIT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT IT, IT'S HOT WELLS IS NOT QUITE HISTORIC, BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE HISTORIC HOMES IN THE AREA.
IF THEY WANTED TO PURSUE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION OR A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, HOW WOULD THEY GO ABOUT DOING THAT OR HISTORIC? THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THERE'S PROVISIONS IN THE CODE THAT, UM, THEY HAVE TO MEET RELATED TO STARTING A PETITION PROCESS.
N C D HAS, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DIS DISTRICT HAS SIMILAR PROVISIONS AS WELL, AND THAT'S, UH, SUBMITTED TO OUR DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN, UM, THERE IS A PROCESS TO INITIATE THAT REZONING PROCESS THAT COUNSEL HAS TO, UH, DO A RESOLUTION FIRST.
AND WHAT, FOR THIS ONE, WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION? WHAT'S THE, I GUESS THIS WOULD FALL THE STANDARD NOTIFICATION AREA ASKING FOR THE, THE NOTICES? THE, YEAH, THE, THE NOT NOTICES OF LIKE 200 FEET, I THINK 39 WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
SO IT'S 200 FEET AROUND THE PROPERTY MM-HMM.
UH, THERE'S, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THAT I GUESS IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HE TALKED TO, UH, HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THE SITUATION, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NOTIFICATION AREA IS SO IT'S NOT JUST MAILING OUT NOTICES WITHIN 200 FEET TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, WE ALSO MAIL NOTICE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT'S WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE ALSO POST A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T WITHIN 200 FEET AND THEY HAPPEN TO DRIVE BY THE LOCATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, POST ON OUR WEBSITE WHAT'S CALLED A TENTATIVE ZONING REPORT THAT WILL SHOW UPCOMING PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONING CASES THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED A WEEK PRIOR.
UM, MY ONLY COMMENTS IS THAT, UH, IS TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES REGARDING THE LAND USAGE AND UPHOLDING STAFFS.
HOWEVER, I COULD, UH, SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REEVALUATE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND MEET WITH
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AND MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CARILLO.
COMMISSIONER SIC STAFF, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES.
[11.19-6775 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2019-11600059 (Council District 2): A request by Roi Biton, applicant, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Government Hill Neighborhood Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Low Density Mixed Use" to "Mixed Use" on approximately 0.3535 acres out of NCB 495, located at 1403 North Pine Street, 1405 North Pine Street and 527 Duvall Street. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2019-10700207) (Patricia Franco, Planner, (210) 207-5876, Patricia.Franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
BE ITEM NUMBER 11.ITEM 11 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FROM LOW DENSITY MIXED USE TO MIXED USE LOCATED AT 1403 NORTH PINE STREET, 1405 NORTH PINE STREET AND 2 5 27 VAL STREET.
32 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
THE PROPOSED USE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM LOW DENSITY MIXED USE TO MIXED USE IS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO C TWO C D COMMERCIAL WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO RENTAL.
THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS CALL FOR MIXED USE USES SUCH AS HIGH HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES TO BE SITUATED PRIMARILY ALONG THE HIGHER ORDER ROADWAYS OR INTEGRATED WITHIN STRUCTURES.
MOREOVER, SHOULD THE APPLICANT OPT TO AMEND THE REQUEST TO C ONE CD, THEIR PROPOSED REZONING REQUEST WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE CURRENT LOAD DENSITY MIXED USE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION, WHICH PROVIDES FOR A MIX OF LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
EXAMPLES OF LOW DENSITY MIXED USE INCLUDE PROFESSIONAL PERSONAL SERVICES, SHOPFRONT, RETAIL OR CAFES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
CAN THE APPLICANT APPROACH STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, I LIVE ON UH, TWO 10 FURNISH AVENUE, WHICH IS NOT FAR FROM HERE.
AND, UH, WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THIS PROJECT IS, UH, TAKEN ABANDONED PIECE OF LAND THAT HAD A LOT OF ISSUES THERE AND, UH, BUILT OVER THERE AN ART GALLERY WITH A CONDITION FOR EXOTIC CAR RENTALS.
UM, I HAVE ALREADY CONTACT DISTRICT TWO, UH, ORLANDO FROM DISTRICT TWO AND, UH, UH, UH, MS. ROSE HILL FROM GOVERNMENT HILL AND I GOT THE APPROVAL FROM THEM, UM, THE SUPPORT FROM THEM TO, TO CHANGE THAT QUESTIONS TO ME.
UM, IF THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
I, I BROUGHT WITH ME SOME, UH, SIDE PLANS AND PICTURES OF HOW THE BUILDING MAY LOOK, UH, JUST TO GIVE A VISUAL OR, UH, LOOK ON HOW, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THERE.
IF YOU WISH TO, YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO STAFF AND THEY CAN GET THAT EITHER DISTRIBUTED OR IF YOU WANNA EXPLAIN IT, THEY CAN GET IT PROJECTED.
UM, WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 11.
I WOULD JUST READ THE ADDRESS MAYBE 2 1 6 BROOKS STREET.
GOOD AFTERNOON TO EACH ONE OF YOU.
IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT USED TO BE MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE AND MY UNCLE'S HOUSE THAT WAS ABANDONED AND THEN EVENTUALLY HORN DOWN EVEN THOUGH IT HAD SIGNIFICANCE FOR MANY PEOPLE.
UM, THE REASON I AM HERE IS BECAUSE I HAVE TWO LETTERS TELLING ME THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I WAS HOPING THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BUILD LOW INCOME HOUSING AS I
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AM TRYING TO REESTABLISH THE ADJACENT LOTS, THE FIVE 17 AND THE FIVE 15 THAT, UH, ARE RIGHT NOW UNDER RECONSTRUCTION FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT WILL PROVIDE A FAMILY WITH A ONE BED, TWO BEDROOM HOUSE FOR $600 A MONTH.UM, WHICH IS NOTHING THAT, UM, YOU CAN RENT IN IN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
BUT, UM, I'M TOTALLY OVERWHELMED BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, I'VE TALKED TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE.
TWO OF THEM COULDN'T COME BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH WORKING.
ONE OF THEM IS PRESENT BECAUSE HE TOOK TIME OFF FROM WORK AND ONE IS THE OWNER OF THE KOREAN RESTAURANT, WHICH SITS ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER.
AND THAT IS PROVIDING A LOT OF, A LOT OF BUSINESS FOR OUR AREA AND GIVES US A NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE WHERE WE CAN GO AND EAT.
IT'S NOT FAST FOOD, IT'S REAL KOREAN FOOD.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND NEITHER DO THEY, WHAT IS MIXED USE, UM, OR WHAT IS RESIDENTIAL? WE, WE SORT OF UNDERSTAND RESIDENTIAL, BUT WHEN YOU SEND A MAP LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T TELL ME, UM, EXACTLY WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
AND IT IS, IT, IS IT GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR, FOR THE, THOSE OF US THAT LIVE THERE? I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA, UM, FOR 82 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN IT CHANGED AND SOME OF IT IS GOOD AND SOME OF IT IS NOT.
UM, I WANT TO SEE GREATER GROWTH AND I HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WHEN IT COMES OVER TO THE EAST SIDE AND SAYS TO THE EAST SIDE, OH YES, WE WANNA DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE GREAT FOR YOU.
AND AT THE LAST TIME I WAS AT ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, THEY VOLUNTEERED TO PUT MARTIN LUTHER KING ON HOUSTON STREET AND, AND PUT HIM IN A, IN A, IN A CIRCLE SO THAT TRANSPORTATIONS WOULD BE GOING AROUND, UM, FASTER AND MORE CONVENIENT.
BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO MARTIN LUTHER.
HE'S STILL STUCK OVER THERE IN ONE 30 SECONDS SPOT.
UM, I REALLY NEED EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE ALL THESE ABBREVIATIONS AND ALL OF THESE COMMENTS THAT, THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
UM, ACTUALLY, IF THE CASE MANAGER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY COULD PLEASE EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
THEY CAN BE QUITE CONFUSING AT TIMES.
UM, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR REBUTTALS TO ANYTHING SAID? YES.
I THOUGHT I HAD THE PICTURES WITH ME, BUT UH, IT'S ACTUALLY BEING TRANSPORTED RIGHT NOW REAL FAST.
UH, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, WHAT WE BE, WHAT WE'LL BE BUILDING OVER THERE WILL NOT BE A HIGH TRAFFIC.
THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND OUT IS GONNA BE AN ART GALLERY AND THE CAR RENTAL THAT WE PROPOSE, IT'S AN EXOTIC RENTAL, A FERRARI LAMBORGHINI, SOMEONE TO JUST COME PICK UP A CAR ONCE A WEEK.
UH, SO VERY LOW TRAFFIC AND WILL ADD VALUE TO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE THE BUILDING WILL BE, UH, VERY INVESTED.
IT WILL ADD SOME NICE VISUAL FROM THE STREET.
SO I THINK IT OVERALL IT WILL BENEFIT RESIDENTS AROUND.
ALSO, WE KEEP A, UH, A VERY LONG, UH, BUFFERING ZONE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S ABOUT 30 FOOT AND UH, WE CAN, UH, BUILD A REALLY PRETTY ACCOMMODATE WITH REALLY PRETTY FANS THAT WILL BE, UH, A GREAT SEPARATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC PORTION.
WE'LL, ON TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.
LET'S START AT THE LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER ROE, EG GR UM, THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IF IT WAS JUST AN ART GALLERY, WOULD THAT, WOULD THE LAND USE HAVE TO CHANGE IT? WERE JUST AN ART GALLERY THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN A C ONE AND, UM, THE C TWO COULD, I'M SORRY, IT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN A C ONE AND THE EXOTIC CAR RENTAL COULD ALSO STILL BE ACCOMMODATED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE.
HOWEVER, UM, I THINK HE, HE NEEDED NEEDED THE C TWO USE FOR THE BUILDING SIZE OR THE FRONTAGE OF WHERE THE PARKING IS SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
IT NEEDS TO BE THE, THE BIGGER CHANGE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT COULD ALSO BE A COMPETENCY ONE.
BUT IT, THERE WAS A SITUATION WITH WHERE HE WANTED HIS PARKING BECAUSE IN C TWO, IN C ONE THE PARKING HAS TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
HOWEVER, IN C TWO IT CAN BE IN FRONT.
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DOES DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK SO.I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK
UM, IT, IT LOOKS TO ME VERY SIMILAR TO A LOT OF PLACES IN THE LONE STAR AREA WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE ART GALLERIES NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS, UM, MIXED IN WITH HOUSING.
AND SO I CAN SORT OF SEE THAT, THAT USAGE.
UM, BUT THE, THE PARKING SITUATION SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT IFFY AND IF THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED, I COULD SEE THIS BEING LESS PROBLEMATIC I GUESS FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF HE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SITE DESIGNS.
MY OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS FOR YOU AS WELL, UM, IF SAY WE WERE TO APPROVE THE PLAN, WHICH MEANS GO AGAINST YOUR DENIAL, UM, IS IT THEN, AND I ASSUME IT HAS TO GO THROUGH ZONING CHANGES AND WHATNOT, IS, IS ANY CHANGE TIED TO THIS SPECIFIC PLAN? SO SAY WE APPROVE A CHANGE AND THEN HE SELLS IT AND THE PERSON THAT BUYS IT NOW CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT? OR IS THE CHANGE TIED TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN? SO BY RIGHT, WHICH THEN SEES YOU IF HE SELLS IT.
UM, ANYTHING WITHIN C TWO COULD BE COULD BE A USE.
ONCE HE CHANGED THE, UM, THE ZONING, IT'S NOT TIED TO ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN.
SO WE SAID YES BECAUSE WE LIKE THE DESIGN, BUT THEN HE TURNS HE SELLS IT NEXT YEAR AND THEN SOMEBODY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT.
HE WOULD BE TIED TO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH BECOMES PART OF THE ORDINANCE ONLY RELATED TO THE AUTO RENTAL.
ANY OTHER USE ALLOWED BY RIDE IN C TWO? COULD BE.
SO THE SITE PLAN IS ONLY TIED TO THE AUTO RENTAL.
IF NOBODY WANTS TO DO AUTO RENTAL IN THE FUTURE, ANY USE IN CD IN C TWO CAN BE ALLOWED.
BUT STAFF, CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND ME THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE C TWO C ONE STUFF? THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL IS BECAUSE OF C TWO USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT PLAN.
UM, C TWO USE FALLS WITHIN, UH, THE MIXED USE.
YEAH, IT FALLS WITHIN THE MIXED USE BUT NOT WITHIN LOW DENSITY MIXED USE THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO THE APPLICANT.
MICHAEL GARCIA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
I WILL SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IS THE, THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING LOT SITUATION, ARE THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE JUST GONNA RENOVATE? UH, CURRENTLY IT IS JUST, IT IS JUST THE TWO LOTS AND ONE BIG LOT BEHIND.
NOW YOU DO HAVE A VERY, VERY NARROW ALLEY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT AS AN ENTRANCE.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FRONT CORNER OF THE STREET.
UM, WE, WE, I HAVE A SITE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, I CAN CAN LET YOU HAVE IT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS, UM, EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO USE OR IF IT'S GONNA BE ALL NEW BUILDINGS? IT'LL BE ALL NEW.
YEAH, THERE'S NO EXISTING, MATTER OF FACT, WE, IT TOOK US TWO WEEKS TO CLEAR THIS LOT AND REMOVE ALL THE BRUSH AND ALL THE DIRT THAT WAS ON THE LOT.
THE PICTURES YOU SEE NOW IS AFTER WE CLEARED IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, TOUCHUPS TO DO.
UH, SO, UM, THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING, THIS IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE WHERE THE BUILDING WE WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING TO BE.
UH, THESE ARE THE TWO FRONT LOTS ON PINE.
THIS IS PINE STREET RIGHT HERE AND IN THE BACK.
NOW OVER HERE BY THE TRAIN TRACKS IS A VERY, VERY NARROW ALLEY THAT IT'S ALMOST DANGEROUS TO GO ON IT.
UH, ME MYSELF ALMOST TIPPED ON THE TRAIL, ON THE TRACKS JUST GOING IN HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE DESIGNED THE BUILDING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, KIND OF AND HAVE THE, THE FIVE PARKING NEEDED IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS PINE STREET RIGHT HERE.
THAT IT WILL BE THE BEST DESIGN AND MOST CONVENIENT TO GO IN AND OUT AND SAFE TO GO IN AND OUT ON THE, ON THE LOT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A, AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF THE C ONE DASH CD.
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WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THE, THE AUTO PORTION AND THE ART GALLERY WITH THAT? YES.SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THE C ONE DASH CD? THEY WOULD, UM, THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE WHERE HE WANTS TO HAVE HIS PARKING.
WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL ONE, THE PARKING HAS TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
AND IF, IF THEY DID THE C ONE DASH CD, WOULD THEY STILL NEED A LAND USAGE CHANGE? NO.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THIS I GUESS FOR STAFF AGAIN, BUT MAYBE THE APPLICANT.
SO I UNDERSTAND I, I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF DUVAL AND IT, IT IS A REALLY, IT'S A, LOOKS LIKE A DIRT ALLEY.
UM, AND THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, A CITY STREET, BUT COULD THE APPLICANT DO SOMETHING TO WIDEN THE STRETCH OF IT THAT LEADS UP TO HIS LOT SO THAT THE CARS COULD GO BEHIND IT AND PARK AND IS THERE ANY REASON WHY HE COULDN'T DO THAT? OR IS THIS ONLY THE CITY GONNA DO THAT AND THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO EVER DO THAT? CLEAR
SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT RIGHT APPROPRIATE RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, I JUST NOT SURE IF IT'S USABLE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF, IF THEY COULD PARK CHANGE THE PARKING THEN THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED, COULD PARKING BE APPROACHED FROM PINE STREET? SO LIKE IT PUT A DRIVEWAY IN TO GO AROUND THE BACK SO YOU'RE ENTERING IN PINE STREET SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ON DUVAL STREET.
IT SEEMS LIKE A A LOT OF HASSLE JUST TO HAVE PARKING UP FRONT.
I'M NOT A FAN OF PARKING UP FRONT, SO I'M GONNA OPPOSE HAVING PARKING UP FRONT IN GENERAL BECAUSE I THINK IT, I'D RATHER HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO WALK THERE THAN TO HAVE CARS PARKED THERE.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU CAN MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN PARK BEHIND, THEN THE WHOLE ISSUE IS RESOLVED FOR THE APPLICANT.
IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S WILLING TO DO.
I THINK HE NEEDS TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE HE WANTED SOME OTHER USES USES WITHIN THE C TWO.
UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A, OH, SORRY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR CONCERN AND YOUR COMMENT ON, ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, UH, ME AND MY CREW ACTUALLY INSPECTED IT MANY TIMES.
UM, THE PROPERTY LINE HAS LIKE A HUGE TERRAIN ON IT AND THE, THE ASPHALT IS BARELY FIT A SMALL COMPACT CAR AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DROP TO THE TRAIL TO TRAIN TRACKS.
UM, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT WE THOUGHT TO MESS WITH WOULD BE TOO MUCH.
UH, AND UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO RENT THE CARS, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY WANNA HAVE THE, THE PEOPLE PARK IN THE FRONT AND THEN HANDLE IT IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN LIVE WITH IT INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM GOING THROUGH.
AND THOSE ARE REALLY WIDE AND EXPENSIVE CARS.
I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND THEM THROUGH THE, THROUGH THAT ALLEY OVER THERE.
IT'S UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RAILINGS AND NOTHING.
I, I ACTUALLY ALMOST TIPPED IN THERE.
SO JUST ADDRESSING THAT HAD A QUESTION.
NO, UH, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.
I, ME A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE HEARING RIGHT NOW SEEM TO BE RELATING MORE TO THE C ONE C TWO ISSUE, NOT TO THE LOW DENSITY MIXED USE VERSUS PROPOSED, UH, MIXED USE THAT WE'RE SEEING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH THE C ONE C TWO, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
UM, TO ME THE LOCATION OF IT AND WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT, IN MY OPINION DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO LOW DENSITY MIXED USE, BUT MORE ALONG MIXED USE TO ME UP BY THE HIGHWAYS.
MIXED USE, THERE'S NOTHING BUT RAILROAD TRACKS AND THAT IS A BUSY RAILROAD TRACK AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, MIXED USE SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ZONING, BUT THAT'S NOT MY PURVIEW.
SO, UH, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THERE BEING NONE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? EXCUSE ME.
UH, THE LADY IN THE BACK HAD ASKED FOR AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE SITE.
UH, COULD, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE EXPLANATIONS YOU'RE GETTING OR DO YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION? UM, YOU NEED TO GO UP TO THE MIC IF SHE'S GONNA CONTINUE TO TALK, GO, GO AHEAD AND GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
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UM, I DO NOT LIKE THE REFERENCE TO DUVAL STREET AS BEING AN ALLEY.IT IS TRUE THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ALLEY BECAUSE VERY FEW VEHICLES TRANSPORT ANYTHING THERE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL, IF MY TWO HOUSES ON FIVE 17 DUVAL AND THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE HERE DO NOT REALLY SHOW YOU, UM, THE TWO PICTURES THAT YOU SEE ARE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TWO, THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE RIGHT AT TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF IT THO THOSE ARE HOUSES.
UM, IT, THE, THE DUAL WALL STREET IS TRANSPORTABLE, BUT UM, THE TRASH WON'T, WON'T COME.
BUT DOWN THAT STREET, THE, THE PEOPLE IN R R FIVE AND, AND, UH, BOTH OF THOSE PROP, THOSE THREE PROPERTIES RIGHT THERE HAVE TO TAKE THEIR GARBAGE TRASH CAN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OLIVE STREET IN ORDER TO BE PICKED UP AND, UM, UH, BECAUSE THE TRASH CAN WON'T COME BY, PICK UP THE GARBAGE.
ALSO, THERE'S A FIRE IN ANY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.
THE FIRE TRUCK ISN'T GONNA GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T TRANS, YOU KNOW, HE CAN'T GO DOWN DUVAL STREET.
HOWEVER, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT.
NOW THE CITY DOES NOTHING BECAUSE IT'S, IT ASSUMES THAT THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD IN BURLINGTON, NORTHERN AND, AND FEDERAL MEXICO THAT COMES DOWN WHERE IT SAYS UNION PACIFIC RIGHT THERE, UM, UH, THEY TRY TO KEEP THAT TRENCH OPEN SO THAT, UM, THERE'S NO GARBAGE.
IT'S NOT A DUMP SITE FOR MANY PEOPLE.
UM, I, I AM ALL FOUR BUILDING A BUSINESS ON THAT CORNER BECAUSE THAT CORNER, R FIVE ON PINE STREET WAS A RADIO TELEVISION SHOP THAT, THAT SERVICE PEOPLE.
YES, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS A RADIO TELEVISION SHOP AND IT HAD A HOME DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
UM, THIS VACANT LOT HAS NEVER HAD ANYTHING IN IT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A, A VACANT LOT PARKING FOR THE 2 22.
AND, UM, THEN THE R FIVES THAT ARE NOT THE FIVE 13, THE FIVE 16 AND THE FIVE 17 ARE THE, ARE RESIDENCES.
BUT, UM, IF YOU PUT THIS BUILDING HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S GONNA BE FACING, IF IT FACES FINE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY.
I DON'T SEE THAT THEY COULD COME IN AND COME OUT ON BOL STREET.
THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH TURNAROUND THERE.
I NEED TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT ALL OF THESE LITTLE MIXED USE AND NEIGHBORHOOD USE AND, AND COMMERCIAL AND LOW DENSITY.
I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF ABBREVIATIONS AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I, I DO WANT TO FIND OUT FROM STAFF IS WHAT I'M ON THE NOTIFICATION.
I'M NOT FORWARD TO SPEND BRINGING IN MORE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ARE NOT DIGNITY AND DIGNITY HILL DOESN'T SPEAK FOR US.
IF THE CASE MANAGER CAN JUST, UM, LET HER KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT ALL THOSE ABBREVIATIONS MEAN, THAT'LL BE NICE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT.
SO I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER PECK THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, A CHANGE IN LAND USE AND THE MIXED USE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN MY OPINION DOES MAKE SENSE AS WELL.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS AN ISSUE WITH ZONING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ZONING IS APPROPRIATE, WHAT BEST WORKS FOR YOUR NEEDS.
BUT, UM, BUT WITH THAT I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, NOT TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER CARILLO.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PECK.
YOU CAN DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
CHAIRMAN GARCIA, I'M GONNA SAY NO MOTION FAILS.
SO WITH A MOTION FAILING, THEN WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO ON THE MOTION IN ORDER FOR A NEW MOTION
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TO BE MADE.I'LL MAKE A MOTION UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO.
WE'LL HAVE A MOTION FOR PERMISSION.
COSTAGE, DO WE HAVE A RECONSIDER MOTION TO RECONSIDER? CORRECT? YES.
SO MOTION TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
UH, SO THEN WE CAN DO THE ROLL CALL.
AIRMAN GARCIA, I'M GONNA SAY YES TO THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
SO NOW WHAT DO WE HAVE? MOTION FAILS.
SO THIS AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD TWICE IN ORDER FOR, UM, A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS AUTOMATIC CONTINUANCE.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND MAYBE WE'LL GET, SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NEXT TIME.
[12.19-7125 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2019-11600063 (Council District 1): A request by Patrick W. Christensen, representative, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Midtown Area Regional Center Area Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Urban Low Density Residential" to "Medium Density Residential" on Lot 13 and Lot 14, Block 3, NCB 2076, located at 252 Cornell Avenue. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2019-10700216) (Lorianne Thennes, Planner 210-207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.GOOD AFTERNOON, LORI AND TENNIS PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, PLAN AMENDMENT CASE 20 19 1 1 6 0 0 0 6 3.
LOCATED AT 2 52 CORNELL AVENUE IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE MIDTOWN AREA REGIONAL PLAN FROM URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
24 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR AND FOUR WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND UH, STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED USE OF EIGHT DWELLING UNITS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND DOES NOT CONFORM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
CAN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT APPROACH THE COMMISSION NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
UM, BELIEVE ME, WE DON'T WANT TO DO A, A PLAN AMENDMENT TODAY.
THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
SO THIS, YOU'VE SEEN THE CITY MAPS.
THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
R SIX WE'RE ASKING FOR I D Z FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE PROPOSING NORTH IS ACTUAL NORTH SOUTH IS ACTUALLY THIS WAY.
SO THIS IS NORTH, BUT I KIND OF FLIPPED IT SO THAT YOU COULD SEE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
IT'S TWO CITY, IT'S IT'S, IT'S TWO PLOTTED LOTS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR EIGHT UNITS WITH SOME, UH, VISITOR PARKING OFF IN A, IN A DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE, OFF THE ALLEY ON THE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY IS INDUSTRIAL ZONING ALONG KULA ROAD AND THE, THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IF YOU'RE AT FIVE POINTS JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN, YOU START HEADING UP THE HILL ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD TOWARDS I 10 UPTOWN IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF I 10, BUT SOUTH OF FREDERICK ROAD, BUT EAST OF I 10.
IT'S UH, A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR EIGHT UNITS.
UM, THIS IS A PORT LETTER FROM UPTOWN.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS.
SO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT THE URBAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION ALLOWS AT OUR ACREAGE, 4.4154 ACRES IS 7.4772 UNITS.
SO IN ORDER TO GET, UH, OUR ZONING APPROVED FOR THE I D Z TO ALLOW EIGHT UNITS, I HAVE TO ASK FOR THE, THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO SEVEN UNITS THAT ENDS UP, THEN WE END UP WITH THREE UNITS ON ONE SIDE OF OUR PRIVATE DRIVE AND FOUR UNITS ON THE OTHER.
BUT WE JUST LIKE TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT AT EIGHT UNITS, FOUR UNITS ON EACH SIDE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN MEETING WITH THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN DECADES.
I MEAN, PROBABLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
WE'RE THE FIRST ONE TO COME TO THEM WITH A ZONING CHANGE FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY GET ZONING CHANGES FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SUPPORTING OUR, OUR REQUEST.SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
UM, AGAIN, I I IF THAT ROUNDED UP TO JUST OVER EIGHT UNITS, I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
THERE ARE NO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
SO WE'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AND WE'LL START AT THE RIGHT WITH UH, MICHAEL GARCIA.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THESE NEW UNITS WOULD KIND OF COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S THERE.
WELL, I CAN SAY, I MEAN THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE VERY TALL.
WE'RE LIMITED WITH THE I D Z ZONING TO THAT HEIGHT LIMIT.
ARE THEY GONNA LOOK LIKE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD BUNGALOWS? THEY'RE NOT.
UM, WE'RE NOT IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OR UNDER AN N C D GUIDELINES.
SO THERE AREN'T ANY NEIGHBORHOOD GUIDELINES, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, SMALLER KIND OF URBAN INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO FRONT PORCHES.
THEY WON'T BE AS LARGE AS SOME OF THESE.
WE'LL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT AND WE HAVE THE VISITORS PARKING, SO WE WILL NOT BE HAVING ANY CARS, HOPEFULLY PARKING ON THE STREET.
UH, FORGIVE ME FOR MY STUPID QUESTION, BUT WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE HEARTACHE WITH HAVING THREE UNITS ON ONE END AND FOUR ON THE OTHER? WELL, HEARTACHE IS, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO GET SOME DENSITY, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE IT BE SYMMETRICAL ON EITHER SIDE.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WASTED SPACE UP THERE.
WE MAKE THIS THE, AND THE PROBLEM IS YOU MAKE THE UNITS TOO LARGE, THEN THE PRICE HAS TO GO UP AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING TOO MUCH FROM WHAT THE MARKET WILL SUPPORT.
SO WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE IN THE MIDDLE OFF THE ALLEY AND CORNELL STREET WITH EVEN NUMBER OF UNITS ON EACH SIDE.
YOU HAD A SITE PLAN IN YOUR THING THAT FLASHED BY.
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP AGAIN THERE? AND AGAIN, IT'S FLIPPED TO THE RIGHT.
IT SHOULD BE FACING UP AND DOWN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IT BIG ENOUGH SO YOU CAN SEE IT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TWO PARKING PER UNIT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOME FRONT SETBACKS SO WE MATCH UP WITH THE HOUSES UP AND UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
JUNE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR COULD THE APPLICANT TELL ME WHAT KIND OF CONTACT HE IS? HAD WITH THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH HIM, WITH THEIR PRESIDENT, MAX WOODY, I BELIEVE IS HIS LAST NAME.
AND, UM, HE LIKED THE PROJECT AND GAVE US A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
IT'S A, IT'S A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I MEAN, HE'S, THEY HAVE MEETINGS, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT WE MET WITH HIM AND HE OFFERED HIS SUPPORT.
BUT YOU MET WITH JUST HIM OR WITH THE GROUP? YEAH, WITH HIM.
IT'S NOT A VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, TO BE HONEST.
AGAIN, HE HAS A TOUGH TIME GETTING PEOPLE TO MEET.
YOU MET WITH JUST HIM AND NO ONE ELSE FROM, WELL, I MEAN, I, FROM UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I'M ALWAYS AT THE MERCY JUNE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WHO'S, WHO COMES AND WHO ATTENDS.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I REACHED OUT TO THE ASSOCIATION AND THEY CALLED A MEETING AND HE WAS THERE,
WAS ANYONE ELSE THERE? NO, THERE WASN'T.
JUST ME AND THE APPLE, ME AND THE DEVELOPER.
SO THIS WAS A PART OF A, A REGIONAL CENTER PLAN THAT JUST PASSED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT, AND IT PASSED.
THIS WAS THE SECOND TO PASS BY COUNSEL.
THAT ACTUALLY, THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
UM, WAS YOUR APPLICANT PART OF, PART OF THIS PROCESS? NO.
I BELIEVE THEY, THEY HAD NOT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY YET.
SO THEY PURCHASED IT AS SOON AS THIS PLAN COMPLETED.
DID HE, AT ONE POINT HE FLASHED, UH, AN EQUATION WHERE HE DID SOME MATH AND HE CAME OUT TO 7.4 UNITS THAT WE'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO, IF THE MATH WORKED OUT DIFFERENTLY, AND LET'S SAY IT WAS, UM, ABOVE SEVEN AND A HALF, LIKE, LET'S SAY 7.8 OR SOMETHING, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED THEN TO DO THE EIGHT UNITS OR THEY HAVE TO BREAK THE EIGHT TO GET THE EIGHT UNITS? SO IF IT WAS 7.8 LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, THEN HE WOULD BE ALLOWED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO WE USE TYPICAL ROUNDING METHODS, FIVE OR MORE? FIVE.
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FOR AND BELOW MEANS YOU ROUND DOWN.UM, NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND WILL SUSTAIN A MOTION.
YOU COULD REDUCE YOUR DENSITY BY 0.03.
MR. CHRISTENSEN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
I SECOND HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PECK AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA.
STAFF, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE? COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES.
UM, I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS ONE.
[15.19-6861 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2019-11600068 (Council District 3): A request by David Dye, applicant, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Heritage South Sector Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Country Tier" to "Agribusiness/RIMSE Tier" on 30.727 acres out of CB 5709, located at 19635 Trumbo Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
ITEM NUMBER 15.MICHAEL PEVEE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, LOCATED AT 1 9 6 3 5.
TRUMBO IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM COUNTRY TIER TO AGRIBUSINESS.
R I M SS E TIER EIGHT NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
NONE WERE RETURNED IN, RETURNED IN FAVOR.
THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION WAS RETURNED FROM OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT AND STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
UH, CAN THE APPLICANT PLEASE APPROACH THE COMMISSION? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I'M, UH, WITH DYE DEVELOPMENT OF LAND SURVEYORS AND CIVIL ENGINEERS.
MY RESIDENCE IS 1 7 1 7 4 IRON GATE RAIL, 7 8 2 4 7.
I REPRESENT, UH, GEORGE AND AMY, UH, GRAY.
THEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, THIS 30 ACRES, UH, IN MAY OF 2015.
AND IT, AT THAT TIME, IT WAS IN THE COUNTY THERE IN THE REASON WHY THEY PURCHASED IT WAS IT HAD A, AN EXISTING RV PARK, A SMALL ONE OF FIVE UNITS.
WHAT THEIR DESIRE WAS AND IS, IS TO DEVELOP A LARGER RV PARK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL USES.
UH, THE, UH, GEORGE WORKS IN THE OIL FIELDS.
HE'S, HE'S OUT IN THE PERMIAN BASIN MOST OF THE TIME, UH, WORKING IN MIDLAND AND ODESSA.
HE'S IN CHARGE OF A DRILLING, DRILLING CREWS OUT THERE.
SO HE'S GONE QUITE A BIT AND WORKS VERY LONG HOURS.
UH, HIS WIFE HAS, UH, HEALTH, UH, SIGNIFICANT HEALTH ISSUES THAT THEY ARE BATTLING.
UH, SO WHAT, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS, IS, IS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS RV PARK THAT WILL GIVE THEM ENOUGH INCOME TO LIVE ON.
AND, UH, FOR GEORGE THEN TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY STAY AT HOME, MANAGE THE RV PARK ALONG WITH AMY.
AND THEN HE'S GOT, UH, HE'S A REALLY, REALLY SMART TECH GUY.
HE'S, UH, HE BELIEVES HE HAS AN INVENTION FOR, UH, SOLAR CELLS THAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP AND PATENT AND START TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND THEN AMY, SHE IS, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH VERY INVOLVED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR CHURCH AND WITH MINISTRY.
WHERE THEY LIVED BEFORE, WHICH WAS IN OREGON.
THEY HAD A, UH, I SAY THEY, AMY HAD A, A, UH, FOOD BANK THAT SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF.
AND SHE WANTS TO DEVELOP A, A, A PUT A SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY UP ON FRONT ON TRUMBULL ROAD SO THAT SHE CAN HAVE A, A BASICALLY A FOOD PANTRY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO HELP DISTRIBUTE FOOD.
UH, SO, UH, NOW THEY PURCHASED IT WHEN IT WAS, WAS IN THE COUNTY IN 2015.
AND THEN, UH, THE CITY ANNEXED IT, UH, IN JUNE, ON JUNE 22ND, 2017.
AND THEY DID NOT PROTEST, UH, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ANNEXED IN AND THEY RETAINED ME TO GO AHEAD AND START WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY THE WAY THEY WANT IT DONE.
SO WE'VE COME UP WITH A LAYOUT FOR WHAT THEY'VE, THEY DESIRE, AND WE'VE PUT IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE THAT'LL BE REQUIRED.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE ZONING CHANGE REQUIRED, UH, A PLAN AMENDMENT SO THAT THEY COULD, UH, DO THESE USES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
NEXT, WE'LL HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
WE'LL START WITH MICHAEL RODRIGUEZ.
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THANK YOU.UH, REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE SEND IN OUR, OUR DISAPPROVAL NOTICES, UH, THERE, THEY, OF THE EIGHT THAT THEY SENT, I KNOW THREE OF THEM THAT, THAT WERE DISAPPROVED AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT AT? UM, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS IS, WELL, WHAT WE'VE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED BY ANYBODY, WHAT'S GOING ON, EXCEPT THAT THIS A REZONING NOTIFICATION.
WE JUST GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL FROM WHAT WE UNDER, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE, UM, THE, THE RV PARK IS GONNA BE PUT ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS CLOSER TO MY HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T THEY PUT IT CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE? 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT STUFF NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE.
AND, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE THE SETBACK TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE, THE UNIT UNITS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD RUN, RUN STUFF LIKE HIGH, UH, HIGH FENCES TO PROTECT HIS RESIDENCE FROM COMING INTO OUR RANCH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO OUR EQUIPMENT AND GETTING HURT AND OUR POND DROWNING.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FENCED OFF FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY RVS WERE GONNA BE PUT ON THERE, BUT NOW WE'RE UNDERSTANDING IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED OR SO.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG SHOCKER TO US THAT WANNA BE IN THE COUNTRY DOING A COUNTRY LIVING.
BY THE WAY, WE JUST GOT ANNEXED INTO THE, INTO THE CITY TWO YEARS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE HERE, BUT WE HAD A ROUGH TIME ON THAT ONE.
AND, UH, ANOTHER THING IS LIKE THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE USING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE HUNDRED RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE THERE ARE CREATING A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBOR.
AND THAT THEY SMELL THE, THE SMELL FROM THERE.
THEY, THEY'VE ALSO HAD TO PUT THEIR OWN FENCE TO BLOCK OUT THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY PUT ALL THE RV PARKS, ALL THE RVS NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND, UH, AND, AND SO THAT NEIGHBOR HAS PROBLEMS WITH TRASH WITH NEIGHBORS.
THEY'VE HAD TO PUT THE HIGH FENCE JUST SO THEY COULD BE OUT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FARMLAND, WE'RE COUNTRY, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, NOT THE, THE NOTICE THAT WE GOT.
THIS IS NOT THE MAP THAT WE GOT, THE MAP THAT WE GOT WAS DIFFERENT.
THAT'S THE ONE WE GOT SET ON A PROTEST.
30 SECONDS FOR THE TWO TH UH, OCTOBER HEARING QUESTIONS.
UH, NEXT TIME TO SPEAK IS ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 19 4 33 TRUMBO ROAD.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 60 YEARS AND IT'S VERY QUIET AND PEACEFUL.
AND, UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS I'VE GOT A FISHING POND IN THE BACK.
HOW AM I GONNA KEEP THE KIDS FROM GOING INTO IT? IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS AND, YOU KNOW, KIDS AND WATER.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW HE'S GOT SEVERAL TRAILERS THERE AND THEY STINGED LIKE BAD.
AND, UH, WE JUST GOT ANNEXED LAST YEAR.
UH, AFTER 90 DAYS THEY HAD ALREADY CLOSED THE DEAL ON THAT.
WE, WE, SO WE JUST BEEN AROUND GETTING BAD, VERY BAD DEALS AROUND.
AND IF YOU ARE ACCEPTING THAT, I WOULD WANT A GOOD CYCLONE FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM MY, FROM MY LAND, MY, MY WATER.
UM, NEXT LINE TO SPEAK IS MARINA BEO NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU GOT THREE MINUTES, BELLO 1, 9 6 6 1 TRUMBO ROAD.
NOW, LET ME TELL YOU, UM, I'M HERE NOT ONLY TO REPRESENT MY FAMILY AS ONE OF THE HANDFUL OF FAMILIES THAT FALL WITHIN THE 200 RADIUS,
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WHICH IS ABOUT ONLY FIVE FAMILIES THAT I'M AWARE OF.BECAUSE WE ALL OWN LAKE ACRES, NOT JUST SMALL LOTS, LIKE, LIKE IN THE CITY, WE ARE IN OPPOSITION OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S REQUEST FOR REZONING.
WE NOT ONLY SUPPORT OR WE DON'T WANNA, WE DON'T SUPPORT ANOTHER MOBILE HOME PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO OURS.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M HAVING TO READ.
I, I, YOU KNOW, THE PASSION FROM MY NEIGHBORS, IT REALLY BLEW MY MIND.
I, I WASN'T, I WASN'T AWARE THEY FELT THIS STRONGLY, BUT NEVERTHELESS, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
UM, OKAY, SO, UM, WE'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED MANY PROBLEMS. LEMME TELL YOU.
WE'VE EXPERIENCED JUST WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.
WE'VE EXPERIENCED MANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT FIVE, UH, THE FIVE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY.
THEY WERE ALL BUILT BY MR. GRAY.
I KNOW I WAS THERE TALKING WITH HIM AS HE WAS BUILDING THE ELECTRICAL POSTS AND SO FORTH TO PUT THE FIVE, UM, RVS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
THEY WERE NOT THERE WHEN HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
HE DIDN'T PURCHASE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE.
UM, THE, UH, I HAD PICTURES TO SHOW YOU OF THE FENCING THAT I HAD TO PUT UP.
IT'S A BLACK FENCING THAT WENT STRAIGHT DOWN.
MY TWO ACRES TALK ABOUT EXPENSIVE.
THAT WASN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S STILL JUST THE SIZE OF A REGULAR FENCE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET, BUT THAT'S THAT.
THEN I WENT AHEAD AND I HAD TO PUT, UH, WOOD PANEL FENCING ABOUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED FEET SO THAT I COULD WALK OUT MY BACK DOOR AND NOT SEE THE RV RIGHT THERE.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STANDING RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
IF ONE OF THOSE PHOTOS MIGHT SHOW YOU, AND I COULD POINT THAT OUT EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
BUT LEMME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT I EXPERIENCED THERE WITH THOSE FIVE TRAILERS ALONE.
AND THEY'RE TALKING A HUNDRED MORE.
I DEAL WITH THE TRASH FLOWING IN EVERY DAY.
I HAVE TO PICK UP THE TRASH ON THE FENCE LINE.
IT HAS TO BE, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THERE AGAIN, LET ME SHOW YOU.
OH, I WOULD, OKAY, THAT'S MY HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
I WALK OUT MY BACK DOOR, THEY'RE THERE.
OKAY, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS THAT RED AREA IS THE, THE OTHER HUNDRED, NEVERTHELESS, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
I'M THE ONE THAT WAS TELLING MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I SIT IN MY BACK PORCH THAT I BUILT FOR OURSELVES TO ENJOY OUR TIME OUTSIDE AND, UM, SEPTIC, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PROBLEM IS WITH THE SEPTIC.
NEVERTHELESS, IF I'M HAVING A PARTY, I HOPE JUSTIN PRAY THAT IT DOESN'T SMELL BAD THAT DAY.
UH, THE TENANTS THROW, UH, OH, THEY HAVE, UM, FIGHTS ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHAT THE CASE IS.
MAYBE IT'S THAT, UH, WHATEVER KIND OF, BUT THESE ARE RVS, MIND YOU, THEY'RE NOT MOBILE HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE RVS.
SO THESE ARE COME AND GO TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON HAVING.
OKAY, LET ME END BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME NOW.
BUT I'M GONNA JUST EXPRESS TO YOU THAT MY HUSBAND OF 28 YEARS IS A VIETNAM VETERAN.
HE'S LIVING OUT HIS LIFE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA AND P T SS D AND OTHER ILLNESSES.
WE MOVE TO THIS AREA FOR HIS HEALTH AND PEACE OF MIND.
THIS MOBILE HOME PARK WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY CAUSE AN ADDED ANXIETY.
AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE, UH, ELIZABETH RODRIGUEZ.
I ALSO LIVE CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY THAT'S, UM, IN, IN, UM, IN ASKING TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS I WALK IN MY, IN MY YARD ALL THE TIME ON THE AFTERNOONS AND I HEAR SHOOTINGS COMING FROM THAT AREA FREQUENTLY.
AND ALSO, UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED FOR SAFETY WITH THAT VOLUME OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SURROUNDING OUR AREA WHERE WE'RE NOT, WE JUST GOT ANNEXED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE CITY AMENITIES LIKE SIDEWALKS LIGHTING OR, OR POLICE PATROLLING THE AREA AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THAT VOLUME OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, UM, IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
OH, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME, SORRY.
MY, MY NAME'S ELIZABETH RODRIGUEZ AND I LIVE AT 19,431 TRUMBO ROAD.
THAT IS EVERYONE WHO'S SIGNED TO SPEAK.
IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO COME AND, UM, GIVE A REBUTTAL OR MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE PERSONALLY MYSELF NOW I GUESS FOUR TIMES, INCLUDING SURVEYING THE PROPERTY INITIALLY.
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UH, THE, UH, AND I'VE DONE THE RESEARCH ON THE, THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE OWNERS HAVE HIRED A, UH, A LICENSED SEPTIC INSTALLER TO DESIGN THE NEW SYSTEM AND TO VERIFY THAT THE EXISTING SYSTEM IS, IS IN OPERATION AND IS PROPERTY LICENSED WITH THE COUNTY.ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE.
NO PROBLEMS WITH THE STIC SYSTEM OUT THERE.
UH, WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, I CERTAINLY HAVEN'T NOTICED ANY SMELLS OR ANYTHING.
UH, I, I'M A, I HAVE AN RV AND I DO KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR HOOKUPS OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN SPILL SOME
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF NASTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT, IT HAPPENS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE SMELLING THAT OR WHATNOT, BUT, UH, THE, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS, UH, THERE IS NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT THE SEP SEPTIC SYSTEM IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN OPERATING PROPERLY UNDER ITS LICENSE.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS THE RV PARK NOT BEING THERE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I I CAN'T DIRECTLY REBUT THAT RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS THERE WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THAT WAS A REASON WHY THEY PURCHASED IT.
AND THEY WANTED DO TO DEVELOP, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE RV SPACES.
UH, THEIR RENTERS TYPICALLY ARE, UH, LONG-TERM RENTERS.
THEY'RE NOT THE, THE FOLKS THAT JUST COME AND TRAVEL AND LEAVE AFTER A COUPLE DAYS.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A RESIDENCE TYPE PARK WHERE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY RENT TO RIGHT NOW.
NOW THEY ONLY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE OR FIVE RV SLOTS, BUT THAT'S THEIR INTENT IS TO, UH, BE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND BECAUSE OF THE, THE AREA.
THEY SEE THAT AS BEING MORE OF A, A RESIDENCE PARK FOR RVS.
UM, AS, AS FAR AS THE SAFETY ISSUES GO, I, THE GRAYS HAVE NEVER MENTIONED ANY OF THAT TO ME AT ALL.
I'VE NEVER WITNESSED ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
I, SO I, I DUNNO WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN THAT.
I MEAN, GUNSHOTS AND ALL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT SOUNDS REALLY BAD, BUT, UM,
UH, AS FAR AS SECURING THE PROPERTY, THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST AND I, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM FENCING THE PROPERTY.
AND IT MIGHT EVEN BE REQUIRED BY CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE REQUIRED OR NOT, BUT, UH, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A WISE THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE PONDS, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR.
SO, UH, I, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A, A PROBLEM AT ALL.
UM, I, I DO WANNA STRESS THAT THE CITY DID GO IN AND ANNEX THIS AREA, AND WHEN THE CITY ANNEXES AREA, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING IT.
I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG STAFF, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ANNEXATION IS, IS GROWTH AND EXPANDING THE CITY.
AND THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY BEING SO LARGE, HAS, UM, HAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POWER IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO DO THAT, AND NOW GEORGE AND AMY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN, WHY THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THIS IS JUST, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP WE HAVE TO THEN GET A ZONING CHANGE AFTER THIS.
UH, AND WE HAVE PUT THAT APPLICATION IN AND WE'LL HAVE HEARINGS ON THAT BOTH BEFORE ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND TRY TO CUSTOM DESIGN THIS THING TO ALLEVIATE THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE VENUE FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, IF, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TABLE THIS INTO THE, INTO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO COME TO, UH, ZONING COMMISSION NEXT TUESDAY, SO I WOULD PREFER TO GET OUR APPROVAL TODAY AND THEN GO AND THEN DEAL WITH THOSE DESIGN ISSUES AT THE ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL, UH, BECAUSE THOSE CAN BE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING OFFENSE AND ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT Y'ALL CAN DO THAT HERE UNDER JUST A PLAN AMENDMENT.
HE WAS ASKING ABOUT IF THAT'S UNDER THE PLANNING OR ZONING.
I WAS JUST WONDERING FOR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT LAND USE.
NOW THE, THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A NON-CONFORMING USE, UH, YOU KNOW, A PERMIT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO, AND IN ORDER TO GET THAT, I, I, I DID THAT FOR THE GRAVES AND I HAD TO GO THROUGH THE RESEARCH AND PROVIDE ALL THE DATA FOR THAT.
AND, AND THE CITY STAFF DID CONFIRM THAT ALL THAT WAS ACCURATE AND, UM, AND DID, GIVEN THE NON-CONFORMING USE FOR THE RV PARK SPACES THAT ARE THERE NOW.
SO THOSE DEFINITELY WERE THERE BEFORE THE CITY ANNEXED THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY CONFIRMED BY THE NON-CONFORMING USE APPROVAL THAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU, UM, IF THAT'S A CONCLUSION OF YOUR STATEMENTS, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AND WE'LL START ON THE LEFT WITH ROAR.
UM, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE.
DID YOU MEAN THAT THAT APPLIES TO THE HUNDRED HARVEY, THE NEW UNITS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ON ALSO? NO, MA'AM.
THE NON, NON-CONFORMITY IS JUST WHAT EXISTED, WHAT EXISTS THERE NOW.
SO THAT'S JUST FOR THOSE FIVE UNITS.
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DID MR. GRAY SPEAK TO HIS NEIGHBORS, UM, PRIOR TO THIS? HAS HE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH HIS NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE DISCUSSED WITH US TODAY? YES, I SPOKE WITH GEORGE AND I ENCOURAGED HIM TO SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.I ASKED HIM IF HE KNEW THEM AND SPOKE TO THEM, AND HE SAID HE WOULD DO THAT.
AND THEN HE GOT BACK TO ME AND SAID THAT HE HAD NOTHING WAS FINE.
HE KNEW OF NO OPPOSITION AT ALL.
WE DIDN'T GET NOTIFICATION THAT THERE WAS ANY OPPOSITION UNTIL, UM, I MEAN PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO THIS PROCESS, WHEN HE WAS EVEN CONSIDERING EXPANDING BEYOND THE FIVE TO NO, DON'T BELIEVE.
NO, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE SPOKE TO THEM BEFORE THE PROCESS, NO.
IT WAS AFTER THE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED.
UM, I HEAR PEOPLE REFERENCE A HUNDRED RVS AND, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THIS, A HUNDRED THAT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IN THE DOCUMENTATION WE GOT TO REVIEW, I DIDN'T SEE ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THE DENSITY WAS OR ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN? I MEAN, IS THERE A RIGHT AND THE PLAN, IT REALLY MATTERS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS.
RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED WAS WITH THE ZONING APPLICATION AND IT'S IN THERE, AND I HAVE A COPY HERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE SHEET 24 BY 36, BUT IT HAS, UH, THE PLAN IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 125 RV, UH, SPACES.
AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY AGAIN, WHERE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, LOOKING AT THE, THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AS IT EXTENDS NORTHWEST? IS IT THAT SMALL SQUARE? IT'S THE, THERE ARE 30 ACRES IS, UH, ALL OF THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN IT'S BASICALLY, UH, THE WAY THEY PURCHASED IT, IT WAS IN TWO TRACKS, TWO ROUGHLY 15 ACRE TRACKS.
SO THE RVS ARE GONNA GO MORE OR LESS ON THIS SIDE.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO PLA THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT PLATTED RIGHT NOW, BUT THE RVS ARE GONNA GO, UH, UH, YOU ESSENTIALLY RIGHT IN HERE UP TO ABOUT, THEY HAVE A, AN EMPTY TANK BACK HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA GO UP TO ROUGHLY RIGHT IN THERE.
THANKS MICHAEL GARCIA, ANY QUESTIONS? SINCE THE CITY, UH, ACQUIRED YOU ALL, DO THEY PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES FOR YOU? UH, FIRE, UH, POLICE AND ALL THAT? UH, YES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE CITY DOES PROVIDE ALL THAT WHEN WE'RE ANNEXED.
SO IF THEY GET TOO MANY NOISES FROM THE RV PEOPLE, I GUESS YOU, YOU CAN REPORT THEM, I GUESS, AND THEY CAN COME AND UNCLE, UM, HOLD ON.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY REGULATIONS FOR THIS, UH, TANKS TO CONTROL THE STENCH THAT THEY GET, UH, BACK IN THEIR AREA? WELL, RVS WHEN, WHEN OPERATED PROPERLY, THEY DON'T PROVIDE A STENCH.
THEY HAVE A TOTALLY ENCLOSED SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE RVS THEMSELVES HAVE, HAVE, UH, HOLDING TANKS IN THEM, AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FULL P V C PIPING TO THE EXTERNAL OF THE RV, AND THEN YOU MAKE THE CONNECTIONS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBLE HOSE TO CONNECT TO THE ACTUAL, WITH SEWER, WITH A A P V C, A FOUR INCH P V C, UM, YOU KNOW, SEWER, UH, IT'S LITERALLY A CLEAN OUT, SO THEY JUST CONNECT TO THAT.
AND, UH, SO NOW OBVIOUSLY INDIVIDUALS ARE WORKING THEIR OWN SEPTICS.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN OUR RV PARK ONCE WHERE AN ELDERLY COUPLE CAME IN, THEY PULLED IN NEXT TO US, AND HE WAS REALLY ELDERLY, LOOKED LIKE HE HAD, HAD VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE.
HE ENDED UP
UM, SO I, I MEAN, I KNOW IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT IT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER SEEN A PROBLEM.
I'VE BEEN RVING FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE AND IN THE CITY YOU CAN HAVE A RUPTURED SEWER PIPE TO CREATE A BIG MESS TOO.
I MEAN, IT HAPPENS, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE A, THE, THE SUBJECT DESIGNER WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, HE'S ALREADY DONE THE PERC TEST AND ALL, AND THERE IS SUITABLE SOILS ON SITE FOR A, FOR A STANDARD SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR EACH LOT, AND BY EACH LOT, WE'RE GONNA JUST PLAT IT INTO TWO ROUGHLY 15 ACRES EACH.
SO EACH ONE WILL HAVE ITS OWN, UH, YOU KNOW, SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND, UH, THE SOILS, THEY'VE ALREADY, THE DESIGNERS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THEY'RE FINE FOR A STANDARD CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY SPRAY FIELDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DRAIN FIELD UNDERGROUND.
YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW A A, A DRAIN FIELD'S THERE UNLESS IT'LL JUST BE GRASS LAWN, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A DRAIN FIELD UNDERNEATH IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I DO ACTUALLY, UM, YOU, UH, THE GEN FIRST GENTLEMAN HAD SAID THAT THEY SENT IN LETTERS OF OPPOSITION.
I THOUGHT STAFF HAD SAID THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, OR IS THAT RIGHT? I WAS CONFIRMING WITH THE CASE MANAGER, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING YET.
THEY MAY STILL BE IN THE MAIL TO, UH, BE DELIVERED, BUT, UH, ONCE THEY ARE, ARE WE, UH, WILL NOTE THEM IN THE FILE.
UM, IF THEY WANNA SUBMIT SOMETHING
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NOW WE CAN COLLECT THAT AND THAT'LL BE NOTED IN THE FILE AS WELL AND REPORT IT AT ZONING COMMISSION.MY, MY, WELL THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF 103 SPOTS FOR RVS OR MOBILE HOMES 130, SORRY.
UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GOING FROM COUNTRY TO RVS ARE NOT CONSIDERED HOUSES, BUT IF THIS WERE 130 HOUSING UNITS, WE WOULD BE HIGH DENSITY, RIGHT? SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING FROM EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LOW DENSITY TO A VERY, VERY POTENTIALLY HIGH DENSITY.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY'RE POTENTIALLY MOBILE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH CHANGING THIS ENVIRONMENT TO PUT IN 130 POTENTIAL HOUSING UNITS IN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, COUNTRY AREA.
UM, THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT SORT OF DENSITY.
WE WOULDN'T DO THAT IN THE CITY.
WE WOULDN'T DO IT IN IN TOWN EITHER.
SO I'M WONDERING WHY WE WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE OKAY TO DO THAT IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS.
BUT IT ACTUALLY IS DONE IN THE CITY AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE LITERALLY RV PARKS.
I'VE STAYED IN SOME OF 'EM HERE IN THE CITY THAT HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY.
UM, SO I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ACCEPTED USE WITHIN THE CITY CODE.
LEMME CLARIFY WHAT I MEAN IS THAT WE, UH, YOU COULDN'T PUT 130 HOUSING UNITS NEXT TO MY HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY RESTRICTIONS AND I LIVE DOWNTOWN.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING HOW WE CAN PUT A HUNDRED, I I UNDERSTAND HOW, WHY WE CAN, BECAUSE THIS RVS ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE SAME AS HOUSING UNITS, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'M SEEING IS 130 HOUSING UNITS IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY, VERY OPEN AREA THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY COUNTRYSIDE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S ROUGHLY A LITTLE OVER FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, UM, THAT'S LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY COMPARISON.
YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE ROUGHLY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UH, SO I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT HIGH DENSITY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS, I KNOW I ASKED THE QUESTION TOO, BUT THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND THE DENSE, THE PROPOSED DENSITY AND WHATNOT ISN'T, ISN'T REALLY APPLICABLE TO OUR DECISION WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE AGRIBUSINESS OR STAY COUNTRY TIER.
'CAUSE THE AGRIBUSINESS DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS ANY OF THE, THE DENSITY ISSUE.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION THAT AGRIBUSINESS COULD BE SOMETHING VERY LOW DENSITY, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY PLAY INTO THAT DECISION.
AND MY, IF I MAY, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED, BUT WE STILL GOTTA GO TO ZONING COMMISSION AND THAT, AND WE CAN MEET, WE'RE TOTALLY HAPPY POSTPONING THE ZONING COMMISSION HEARING TO WORK OUT DETAILS.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THE ITEMS ONE BY ONE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FENCING FOR INSTANCE.
AND IF THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO SECURITY WISE AND, YOU KNOW, KNOW WE CAN GET TOGETHER WITH GEORGE AND AMY AND WE CAN WORK THESE THINGS OUT.
BUT IF IT'S JUST DON'T DO ANY DEVELOPMENT AT ALL, THEN UM, HOLD ON.
THE, THE PUBLIC PORTION'S CLOSED.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, IF A COMMISSIONER DOES HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANY THE AUDIENCE, THEY CAN DO SO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, UH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS MENTIONED ABOUT SETBACKS AND FENT HEIGHT, FENCE HEIGHTS.
IS THAT DONE THROUGH THE ZONING OR IS THAT, I KNOW THE, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOT TIMES THAT GOES TO THE B O A, BUT WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN IN THE DESIGN PHASE THAT ONCE YOU START GETTING PERMITTING AND ALL THAT STUFF? CORRECT.
ONCE THEY START, UM, REQUESTING BUILDING PERMITS, UH, THE SETBACKS, WHICH ARE, UM, DEEPER SETBACKS WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS JUST TO THE NORTH.
AND SO THE SETBACKS, UH, WOULD NOT APPLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, SO THERE ARE DEEPER SETBACKS FOR INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE FOR FENCE HEIGHT OF UP TO EIGHT FEET BY RIGHT.
FOR, UH, PROPERTY ZONED, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND, AND INDUSTRIAL ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY USES AS WELL.
SO THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD'VE THE ABILITY TO GO HIGHER ON A FENCE.
AND, UH, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RVS COME INTO, IS THAT A ZONING THING? IS THAT ANOTHER CODE THING OR IS THAT JUST 'CAUSE THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUESTED OR, UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, UM, THERE'LL BE A BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.
THERE'S NO DENSITY LIMITATION.
UM, SO THE, THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD THE APPROPRIATE PAD SITES, THE APPROPRIATE WATER ELECTRICAL HOOKUPS.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT SEPTIC SYSTEMS. HOW IS THAT REGULATED? THAT THROUGH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE PRIVATE, BUT IF THERE IS, UH, A
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CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, UH, WE TYPICALLY ARE NOTIFIED, BUT WE NOTIFY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE SURE TO FIX IT.AND I BELIEVE T C E Q COULD GET T C E Q COULD GET INVOLVED AS WELL.
SO IT MIGHT BE CALLED T C E Q, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S CODE COMPLIANCE THAT WOULD SAY, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE TO START THE PROCESS? YES.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT IS RESPONDED TO.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ANNEXATION PROCESS.
IF THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, I GUESS THEY COULD, DID NOT DIRECT THAT TO THEIR COUNCIL PERSON, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHICH COUNCIL DISTRICT IS THIS? I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS DISTRICT THREE.
UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT ANSWERED THE NEXT QUESTION, WHICH 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SOME RVS, BUT THAT'S DONE AS A NON-CONFORMING USE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THEY WERE IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO ANNEXATION, SO THEY QUALIFIED AS A NON-CONFORMING USE, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXPAND, UH, UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO REZONE IN ORDER TO EXPAND AND ALLOW MORE RVS.
SO, AND THE STAFF GENERALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR, IS IT GENERAL, THERE'S A COMMON TO SEE THE AGRI-BUSINESS SLASH REMSEY ADJACENT TO A COUNTRY TIER? IT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE A AGRIBUSINESS TIER ALSO ALLOWS A FARM AND RANCH DISTRICT.
SO RANCHING CAN, CAN, CAN BE HERE ADJACENT TO, UH, HOUSING.
UM, JUST TO THE SOUTH THERE IS A MOBILE HOME PARK THAT WAS PROBABLY IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO ANNEXATION AND IT'S QUITE DENSE THERE TOO.
SO IT, IT'S SORT OF A MIXED BAG OUT HERE.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE LARGE RANCH, LARGE COUNTRY AREAS LIKE THIS ONE, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON OR IT, IT'S GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE, I GUESS YOU CAN SEE THE AGRIBUSINESS TO DO THE FARMING ASPECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, IS IT THE, THE RV PORTION OR THE SOLAR PANEL MANUFACTURING PORTION OR BOTH THAT DICTATES THAT PROPOSED AGRIBUSINESS? IT'S BOTH.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE UM, MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, IT'S JUST FOR, IT'S NOT A PARK, IT'S JUST FOR ONE MANUFACTURED HOME ON THAT SMALL SQUARE.
SO IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, IT'S JUST ONE MANUFACTURED HOME.
AND THE RV'S CONSIDERED SOMETHING, RV PARK IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USE? CORRECT.
AND THEN WHAT WAS, UH, STAFF'S KNOWN THAT THAT QUESTION'S BEEN ANSWERED? OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 15.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER UCH, UM, STAFF, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES.
CHAIRMAN GARCIA, I'M GONNA VOTE YES, BUT IT'S STILL A MOTION.
SO ANOTHER JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE.
MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY THE SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER? MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER? SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO CAN STAFF CALL THE ROLL? CALL RECONSIDER IS TO MAKE A NEW MOTION.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT HAS TO PASS FIRST IN ORDER TO MAKE A NEW MOTION.
A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS NOT REQUIRED IF WE DON'T GET, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, IF WE DON'T GET A VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD, IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES.
COMMISSIONER ROY ALLEG GREENY.
COMMISSIONER CARILLO SAID THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YES, I'M VOTING TO RECONSIDER.
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CHAIRMAN GARCIA? YES.OKAY, SO NOW WE NEED A NEW MOTION.
UH, THE PUBLIC PORTION'S CLOSED AND WE'RE DOING DELIBERATIONS, SO, OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION? IF WE DON'T GET A MOTION, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? IT JUST, IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THE APPLICANT WAS OPEN TO A CONTINUANCE EARLIER.
IF NO MOTION IS MADE, IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND AND A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER PECK KIN STAFF DO THE ROLL CALL.
OKAY, SO THAT ONE'S DONE WELL, THAT WE'LL SEE THAT ONE AGAIN.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
[17.19-7201 Discussion and action on possible rescheduling of November and December Planning Commission meeting dates.]
IT'S 3 47 AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS, UH, EXITING IS OTHER ITEMS. NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION AND ACTION AND POSSIBLE RESCHEDULING OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATES.
SO AS WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP, WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT, UH, POSSIBLY RESCHEDULING, UM, ITEM, POSSIBLY RESCHEDULING MEETINGS, UM, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A 30 DAY TIMELINE BETWEEN, UH, MEETINGS.
UM, LUCKILY THE WAY THE CALENDAR WORKS OUT IS THAT WE COULD KEEP THE, LET'S START WITH THE NOVEMBER MEETINGS.
SO WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 13TH AND NOVEMBER 27TH.
IF WE KEEP THE NOVEMBER 13TH, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO ATTEND NOVEMBER 27TH, WHICH IS THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING CITY IS OPENED, CONDUCTING BUSINESS, SO WE CAN STILL HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING, OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE DECEMBER 11TH.
THAT'S STILL WITHIN THE 30 DAYS.
UM, THE NEXT MEETING IN DECEMBER IS DECEMBER 25TH, WHICH IS CHRISTMAS AND THE CITY'S CLOSED.
UH, SO THE MEETING FOLLOWING THAT IS JANUARY 8TH.
THE MEETING TIMEFRAME BETWEEN DECEMBER 11TH AND JANUARY 8TH IS STILL 30 DAYS.
SO THE QUESTION THEN REALLY IS CAN WE KEEP THE NOVEMBER 27TH MEETING? WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE? OKAY.
DOES ANYBODY ALREADY KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN TOWN THAT WEEK, I WILL BE HERE AND IF THERE'S A MEETING, I CAN BE HERE.
I'M, NO, I'M SCHEDULED TO BE HERE AS LONG AS YOU BRING PUMPKIN PIE AND EGGNOG WAS SOMETHING IN IT.
AND I DO NOT WANT PUMPKIN PIE.
I USUALLY AM NOT HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE PLANS YET, SO I'M LIKE 50 50 CHANCE I'LL BE HERE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S WHAT DATE DO YOU NEED THE FINAL NUMBERS TO MAKE THE CHANGES TODAY? SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE DEADLINES, UM, I THINK CHRIS, UM, WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE NOVEMBER 27TH? DO WE HAVE, SO IF, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO IS REACH OUT TO THOSE THAT AREN'T HERE JUST TO BE SURE IF WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD QUORUM NUMBER AND IF WE WON'T, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, OCTOBER 9TH, THEN WE CAN BRING BACK ANOTHER ITEM, UH, TO CANCEL IT, OFFICIALLY CANCEL IT.
BUT IF IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE, WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM AND IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH MEETING THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, BUT JUST IF YOU CAN JUST SEND US LIKE A LITTLE REMINDER, HEY, PLEASE CONFIRM BY CERTAIN DATE THAT WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT DAY THAT WE WON'T CAUSE ANY ISSUES.
SO THAT'S FOR THE NOVEMBER 27TH.
AND THEN IS THERE GONNA BE STAFF HERE TO HANDLE THAT
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THOUGH? 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE VACATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.AND SO, UM, WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? THE, THE DATE'S IN DECEMBER? THE, THE, SO WE ACTUALLY DO NEED A MOTION TO CANCEL, UH, THE DECEMBER 25TH MEETING, UH, BECAUSE WE CITY WILL BE CLOSED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CANCEL THAT MEETING.
EVEN THOUGH FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE IF HAD TO BE
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PECK AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA TO CANCEL THE DECEMBER 25TH, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE CITY WILL BE CLOSED.
DO WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE? DO IT BY VOICE.
VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
PLEASE MAKE THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CALENDAR ADJUSTMENTS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NOTIFICATIONS, DIRECTOR'S REPORTS, STAFF REPORTS? NOTHING ELSE TO REPORT FOR THE ONE OF THE LONGER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD.
[18. 19-7118 Consideration and Action on the Minutes from September 11, 2019.]
MINUTES.WE HAVE A MOTION ON APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER PECK? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPRO THE MANY MINUTES? SAY AYE.
ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? IT IS 3 52 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.