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DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH, 2025.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? HERE.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THE ZURICH DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR AT JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS, FOR PROPERTIES AND IN STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIRE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UPON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION SH WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF REP APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY A FEW OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND SO THEY'RE HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES HERE IN PERSON.
UM, I HAVE NO OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS, SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN TAKE, UH, ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 5TH.
MAY I HAVE OUR MOTION FOR APPROVAL MEETING MINUTES.
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING, MR. CHAIR.
THINK IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? MA'AM, I HAD A COMMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE RECORD THAT THAT WAS, UH, EDITED.
THAT WAS WHAT COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I HAD A COMMENT THAT I SENT IN EARLIER.
I WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE RECORD THAT THIS WAS EDITED ON ITEM 17.
THE MOTION WAS STATED IN THE MINUTES.
YES, THAT WAS UH, CORRECTED THIS MORNING.
UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY.AT THIS TIME WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.
UM, WE HAVE 12 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON A NUMBER OF THOSE.
THERE WILL BE LETTERS AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, ON A NUMBER OF ITEMS. UM, AT THIS TIME, I WILL CALL OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR ITEM 11, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH VOICEMAILS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. SO ON ITEM 11, I HAVE BARBARA WHIT HOWELL.
UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WHITT HOWELL AND I, UH, LIVE, UH, MY, OKAY, THAT'S MY NAME.
AND MY ADDRESS IS
AND I'M HERE SPEAKING FOR THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
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UM, COMMISSIONERS, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT OF THIS ITEM.WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY THE OHP STAFF THAT THEY HAD INSTRUCTED THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE TO MEET WITH RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED.
I DID CONTACT HOWEVER THEIR, UM, REPRESENTATIVE THIS MORNING AND, UH, TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT.
THIS PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN PART OF OUR REVIEW SINCE JULY 11TH, 2022.
WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW DESIGN AND WANT THE PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO ADDING THIS HOME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK IN ADVANCE YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER AND I, WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE THIS MORNING, AND HE ASKED ME HOW LONG, UH, WOULD IT BE POST BONES AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, UH, JUST TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
WE JUST WANNA HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PROJECT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE FROM D WHI HILL, CALLING IN ON HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 3 71.
THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THIS APPLICATION WITH ALL OHP RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT ONE, CHANGE BE CONSIDERED TO THE PROPOSED NEW DRIVEWAY APRONS FOR THREE HUNDRED AND FOUR OH TWO AUSTIN STREET.
BOTH PROPERTIES ALREADY HAVE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE ACCESS VIA HAYES AND LAMAR STREET, RESPECTIVELY.
OUR CONCERN WITH BUILDING TWO NEW DRIVEWAY APRONS ON AUSTIN STREET FOR THESE PROPERTIES IS THAT THIS MAY INTERFERE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN FLOW ALONG THE SIDEWALK OF AUSTIN STREET.
NOT HAVING THESE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES ALONG AUSTIN STREET WOULD MAKE FOR A BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE WITH LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR CARS TO CUT OFF PEOPLE WHILE WALKING, BIKING, OR SKATING ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
HDRC AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 0 5 AT 6 0 9 CANMAN BOULEVARD.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
YES, THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 1 9.
CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 7 3.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION HAS REVIEWED THIS REVISED APPLICATION AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THE DRIVEWAY GATE, THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF HOUSE WE RECOMMEND.
AND THE OWNER AGREED TO INCORPORATE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY GATE OR ONE RECONSTRUCTED TO MATCH IT INTO THE PROPOSED SLIDING OR SWINGING MECHANISM.
IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY FENCE AND GATE WILL BE TWO BY TWO VERTICAL PICK PICKETS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE, WHICH IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.
COMMISSIONERS, THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO ANY COMMISSIONS WOULD SUPPORT ANY ITEMS FROM THE TODAY'S AGENDA? UH, ITEM 11, MR. CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 10 PLEASE.
WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE, MA'AM? NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 10.
SEEING NO OTHER COMMISSIONER'S HANDS RAISED.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS A 12 MONTANA HAY STREET BRIDGE CONNECTION PROJECT ONE 16 WEST SUMMIT 6 0 9 CANMAN 4 22 PRADA 1 0 3 WEST MAGNOLIA 10 0 1 SOUTH ALAMO 5 0 4 AVENUE E IN THREE 19 STEERING, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
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OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU AT THE 10 DAYS.MR. SINO, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE STAFF FROM BOTH OHP AND DSD WHO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I THINK, UM, WHAT DO YOU WANT
I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE, UM, LET'S SEE.
HI, MY NAME IS CLAYTON WALLACE.
I'M THE PLANNING COORDINATOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, I HAD ALL THE STREET NAME CHANGE AND MEMORIAL DESIGNATION REQUESTS.
UM, I WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, OH, VERY HONESTLY.
I DID NOT MEAN TO PULL YOUR CASE.
I AM, I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY.
UM, I MEANT TO PULL A DIFFERENT CASE, BUT, UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I'LL BEEN MORE THAN PROBABLY SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? OH, I DO WANNA SAY YES.
I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, I WAS, UM, LOOKING AT THIS VERY QUICKLY, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THE RENAMING.
UM, I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE, UM, A MEMORIAL WAY DESIGNATED RATHER THAN A FULL NAME CHANGE.
THIS ONE, I KNOW I MEANT TO PULL THIS ONE WAS THE ONE, UM, UM, YOU CASE IS THE A DU THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD.
THE ONLY, UH, CONCERN I HAD WAS THAT THE APPLICATION DIDN'T SEEM AS COMPLETE AS I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, YOUR DRAWINGS SHOW TWO DIFFERENT, UH, ROOF TYPES.
AND STAFF HAS MENTIONED IN THE TEXT THAT IT'S GABLE OR, UM, A HIP ROOF, RIGHT? YES.
BUT WE STILL HAVE THE DRAWINGS.
WHICH ONE IS IT? THE ONE WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED? YEAH.
WE, WE WERE THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED.
INITIALLY, UM, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT FOR ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR.
YOU, DID YOU, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
YOU WANTED THE HIP ROOF, CORRECT? YES.
THAT IS WHAT YOU WANTED, FIRMLY COMMITTED TO THAT STYLE? YES.
BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE DRAWINGS AREN'T COORDINATED.
THAT WAS, IF I MAY, UH, THAT WAS PART OF A DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THE OHP.
UM, AND INITIALLY WE WANTED A, A LEAN TWO ROOF, UM, AND WITH A FLAT AND, UM, IN THIS CONSULTATION WITH, UH, THE OHP, WE MOVED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, UHHUH, AND ARE NO LONGER CONSIDERING THAT STUFF.
AND THE OTHER CONCERN I HAD WAS THAT THE DIMENSIONS SHOWN, UM, ON THE ELEVATION, LET'S SEE, IN THE TEXT, STAFF MENTIONS THAT A HEIGHT NOT TO EXCEED 15 FEET THREE INCHES.
AND I THINK THAT MAY COME FROM YOUR DRAWING.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT THE DRAWING INDICATES 15 FOOT THREE INCHES? OKAY.
WHEN WE TAKE IN THE OTHER DIMENSIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED, LIKE FOUNDATION AT TWO FEET OR 24 INCHES, THE PLATE HEIGHT AT 12 INCH, 12 FEET, AND THEN YOUR FOUR AND 12 ROOF OVER A 20 FOOT SPAN, WHETHER IT'S HIP OR IT'S GABLE, IT'S GONNA COME OUT TO BE ABOUT 18 FEET.
SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE IF WE WERE TO DOCUMENT THAT HEIGHT, I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AS THE UPPER END OF THAT HEIGHT, RIGHT? YES.
THE, THE, THE DRAWINGS WERE, WERE DONE BY MY BUILDING PARTNER.
UM, I, I, I WASN'T, UM, AWARE OF
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THAT LIMITATION OF HEIGHT.I HOPE THAT WE CAN INCREASE IT.
UM, WHAT DO YOU STAFF, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT RELATED TO THE MAIN HOUSE? IS IT, UM, I GUESS MY GUT IS THAT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TALL IN TERMS OF SCALE AND REMAINING SUBORDINATE.
UM, BUT THAT CAN BE AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION IN WHICH WE WOULD REVIEW FURTHER AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO RESOLVE.
UH, SO, UM, WHAT WOULD THAT STIPULATIONS SOUND? WHAT WOULD THE WORDING SOUND LIKE TO YOU? UM, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT REVISED DRAWINGS, UH, WITH CORRECTED DIMENSIONS.
UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM KING WILLIAM ABOUT MATCH THE FOLLOWING DETAILS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, ROOF OVERHANG DIMENSIONS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLOSED RAFTER EVE CONDITION OR IF IT'S OPEN AND WE SEE THE RAFTERS FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE INTERIOR, FROM, UH, FROM UNDERNEATH THE, THE ROOF OVERHANG.
ARE WE SEEING RAFTERS? UM, YES.
YES, THAT WAS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICANT? OKAY.
THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO, UM, UH, LET ME GET THE FILE UP HERE, UH, TO APPROVE WITH STAFF, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS TO INCLUDE SUBMITTAL OF FINAL DRAWINGS BEFORE A COA IS ISSUED TO INCLUDE ROOF TYPE HEIGHTS, ELEVATION HEIGHTS, UH, DETAIL ON YOUR ROOF AND THE OVERHANG ON THE EAVE OVERHANG, AS WELL AS ANY WOOD TRIMS INCLUDING DOORS, WINDOWS, AND EDGES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST WANNA MAKE A COMPLETE APPLICATION SO WHOEVER SEES IT, KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY GO SIR.
UH, STAFF ON THE NUMBER 10 AND NUMBER 11, YOU HAVE THE WELD, THE JED JELLED WIND WINDOW, UH, DATA IN THERE.
IT'S THE SAME DATA FOR BOTH CASES.
IS THAT, IS THAT JUST A COINCIDENCE OR IS THAT A CUT AND PASTE ERROR? UH, ITEM NUMBER 10, SPEC THE JED ONE.
SITE LINES ITEM 11 SPEC JED 1 55 HUNDREDS.
I'M JUST SEEING ALL, I GUESS YOU JUST PUT THE WHOLE, OKAY.
UM, ITEM 11, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS PLEASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE PENA.
ONE, ONE A MOMENT MA'AM, PLEASE.
UM, THIS IS YOUR CASE AS WELL, RIGHT? YOURS? OKAY.
UH, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE PENA AND MY ADDRESS IS ONE 14 DEBERRY.
THIS, THE, THE REASON I PULL THIS IS REALLY VERY, VERY MUCH SIMPLER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, LOOKING AT THE CASE, UM, APPLICABLE CITATION SECTION AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THAT, THE STAFF SEEMS TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROJECT VERY WELL.
UM, AND IT'S UNIQUE, RIGHT? TO SEE IT IN, IN SUCH A COMPLETE FORM.
UH, THERE ARE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY THERE THAT SEEM MORE ABOUT JUST KIND OF THE, UH, UH, WHAT IS THE TRADITIONAL EXPECTATION THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS OF, OF, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE THE HGRC.
AND I CAN TELL YOU OVER TIME IT'S VERY, VERY COMMON.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S VERY ENGAGED AND VERY INVOLVED AND, UH, UH, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO MEET PARTICULARLY, UH, CONSIDERING HOW COMPLETE THE, THE APPLICATION IS WITH THE, UM, WITH STAFF, RIGHT? AND, AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE, AT THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S QUITE A, A PRETTY BUILDING.
UH, HAVE YOU, UH, UH, I KNOW Y'ALL DISCUSSED GETTING TOGETHER.
UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH OUR EMAILS AND OUR BUILDER DID REACH OUT IN DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER THE THIRD TO
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ASK.AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY AN EMAIL THAT WAS TO, UM, BWIT, UH, AT HOTMAIL.COM, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS BARBARA.
IT SAYS, HI BARBARA, I CAN READ THE EMAIL FOR YOU.
UH, SENDING OUT AN EMAIL WITH HOMEOWNER INCLUDED IN THE LOOP.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED PLANS WITH THE PENIA FAMILY AND ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON PRELIMINARY ITEMS, APPROVALS, ET CETERA, WITH THE PENIA.
PLEASE LET US KNOW IF ANY DIRECTION IS NEEDED RIGHT NOW WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HOW WE CAN HELP GET ANYTHING NEEDED COORDINATED.
UM, SO WE DID, HE DID SEND OUT AN EMAIL.
NOTHING, THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO THE EMAIL.
AND I KNOW, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T TRY TO REACH OUT, BUT, BUT IT, WE DID REACH OUT.
UH, AND THERE, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS, UM, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE INPUT THEY COULD HAVE.
AND NOW, AND NOW OUR PLANS ARE READY TO GO WHEN WE'RE READY TO PROCEED.
UM, HOLDING BACK, I THINK WOULD I, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HOLD BACK WHEN WE'VE GOT THE, WE'VE MET THE STIPULATIONS.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK, UM, MS. ROBERT TO COME ON UP.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO SIT DOWN? YEAH.
WELL, UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, THANK YOU.
I WISH I HAD KNOWN THIS BEFORE.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE, UH, I, SOMETHING HAPPENED.
WHO KNOWS? WE DIDN'T GET THE, I DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL OR WHATEVER, OR, UH, I WAS IN ANOTHER WORLD, BUT, UH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THAT.
'CAUSE, 'CAUSE NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
BUT WE JUST ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE, ON THE SEC, ONLY SECOND NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR A LONG, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND THE LAST TIME IT HAPPENED, WE, THAT'S WHEN WE BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I WISH THAT I, I WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT, BUT THANK YOU FOR REACHING OR THANK YOU FOR, AND JOSEPH, THIS IS A GREAT, WE JUST HAVE HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH THIS PROJECT SINCE 2022 AND WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IT.
BUT I CAN SEE RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, THERE WAS A MISTAKE.
I'LL GO, I'LL GO LIKE COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SUBMITTED WITH STAFF, UH, STIPULATIONS.
IT'S JUST ONE RECOMMENDATION ON THERE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? YE, MR. CHAIR, THERE'S TWO, JUST TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO, TO TO NOTE, UH, THAT, UH, I, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UM, NOTATION INSIDE OF THE, OF THE APPLICATION.
AND ALSO THAT THERE'S THIS OBVIOUS MARRIAGE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND YOUR EXPECTATIONS AS STAFF.
IT IS NOT NECESSARILY MY STYLE OR YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE HOW IT FOLLOWS A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE REALLY COMMON, UM, UH, THE GUIDELINES OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT'S PRETTY HOUSE AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A PRETTY HOUSE, MA'AM.
YEAH, JUST PROCEDURALLY, UM, UH, SHE'S WALKING OUT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS, THIS TELLS ME WHEN YOU GET THE LETTER, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S BY MISTAKE, IT'S TELLING ME THAT THE, THE ASSOCIATION CARES AND THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S OVERSIGHT, SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN, THE EMAILS DON'T GET READ, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD SIGN THAT THEY CARE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT THEY'RE, THEY WANNA TAKE AN INTEREST, UH, AND MAKE THINGS RIGHT.
SO, AGAIN, I CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A GOOD PROJECT.
I KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT A FEW TIMES AND YOU'VE ADJUSTED TO ALL THE, ALL THE STIPULATIONS REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE AS A COMMISSION IN THE CITY IS VAST OF YOU.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.
THEY CARE, YOU'RE BUILDING IN A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO TAKE THAT AS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I DO WANT TO TAKE A, A OOPS POINT OF PRIVILEGE ON ONE OF THE CASES THAT WENT THROUGH ON CONSENT AGENDA, AND I CONFUSED IT WITH NUMBER ONE, I MEANT TO PULL NUMBER THREE.
I DO WANNA GO ON THE RECORD JUST TO, UM, ENCOURAGE ALL PARTIES OF THE CITY AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE NOTE OF THE CITY'S REQUESTS FOR, UM, NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS ON THOSE TWO STREETS ON HAYES AND LAMAR.
AND I HOPE THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO, UH, DETERMINE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THOSE BLOCK FACES.
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UH, IT MIGHT BE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN FLOW, SAFETY AND PROBABLY FOR ECONOMIC REASONS AS WELL.AND WE DID GET THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE VOICEMAIL, BUT THEN ALSO BY EMAIL, I THINK EARLIER TODAY.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH THE PROJECT TEAM.
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PLEASE.AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 2 6 4 0 3 STEER THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.
TWO ONE CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 368 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED CARPORT ON THE EAST FACADE WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 11 FEET.
REPLACE THE EXISTING THREE FOOT TALL WOOD PICKET FENCE WITH A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.
INSTALL AN 84 BY 30 INCH WOOD MEMBER METAL AWNING ON THE TWO PAIRS OF GANG WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CARPORT CONSTRUCTION BASED ON THE FINDINGS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
UM, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE AND FOLLOW STAFF'S GENERAL STIPULATIONS FOR CC METAL ROOFS.
TWO, THAT THE NEW WOOD COLUMNS BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE IN SANFORD CORNERS.
THREE, THAT THE CARPORT BE DETACHED FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR FINAL REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL, UH, SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL DEFENSE REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE CONFIGURATION AND ITEM THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE FENCE, OR I'M SORRY, DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WOOD MEMBER METAL AWNING INSTALLATION BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF FOR ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS TO SOLAR HEAT GAIN.
THE PROPERTY OWNER, MICHAEL PEREZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
THERE'S TWO LETTERS AND TWO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS REQUEST.
UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.
YES, MICHAEL, A PEREZ THREE 30 MISSION STREET, AND I THINK WE'RE TAKING OFF FROM, UH, PICKING UP FROM WHERE WE LAST LEFT OFF FROM, I GUESS IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS, I GUESS JUST TO HELP GUIDE MY CONVERSATION.
I GOT FROM, UM, I GUESS THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT JUST KIND OF INVOLVING MY HOUSE.
I THINK MY WIFE, I WASN'T AVAILABLE WHEN I THINK Y'ALL CAME OUT, BUT, UH, I DUNNO, MY WIFE SHARED THEM WITH THE, THE MEMBERS.
UM, MR. VELAZQUEZ, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE THERE, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, SO REALLY, UH, I CAN KICK RIGHT OFF.
AND, UM, WHERE WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO START ON 4 0 1.
4 0 3? YOU'LL, Y'ALL TELL ME WHERE WOULD WE THINK WE'RE TALKING, SIR, THIS IS YOUR CASE.
YOUR, YOUR JOB IS TO PRESENT THE CASE TO US ON, SO WE CAN THEN DELIBERATE AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN APPROVE YOUR PROJECT OR, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE GO FORWARD.
SO JUST START WHEREVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO AND THEN JUST IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO, YOU KNOW, ASK THOSE OF YOU M MR. CHAIR, UH, MI MIGHT I SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS THOSE THAT HAVE WENT TO THE SITE VISIT, THEY CAN TELL US WHAT THEY, THEY FOUND CLOSEST, UM, CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WHAT WOULD BE TRUE STATEMENTS REGARDING WHAT, WHAT WAS, AND WHAT IS PROPOSED THAT WASN'T.
AND, UH, UM, THE, THE OTHER ITEM I THINK WAS THAT, UH, WE WERE, UM, GOING TO DO THE SITE VISIT TO GET A SENSE OF THE OVERALL FEEL OF THE SPACE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE SPACE WAS CONSISTENT WITH THIS IDEA OF THE COMPOUND AND WITH THE IDEA OF, OF WHAT WAS HISTORIC.
THAT MAY NOT BE APPARENT TODAY.
WE, WE, WE, WHEN IT'S BEEN A RETURN, UH, WE, WE HAVE ASKED THE, THE, UH, DESIGN COMMITTEE TO KIND OF TELL US WHERE THEY WENT FIRST.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT, SIR.
BUT YOU GENERALLY, I LET THEM PRESENT THEIR CASE AND IF, UM, IF HE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT TO US, THEN I WILL YIELD TO MY COMMISSIONERS TO GO AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE THAT'S NEGATIVE.
GO AHEAD AND PRINT OUT YOUR CASE, SIR.
SINCE, UH, IT'S THE OPTION FOR ME TO PRESENT, WE CAN, UH, START RIGHT OFF TO THE FENCE BECAUSE I BELIEVE LAST TIME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE CARPORT AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THE AWNINGS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND START ON THE FENCE.
UH, CAN WE GO TO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE? 3 26, UH, MISSION STREET? IT'S, UH, NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ON 4 0 3, UH, STEERING.
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IT'S GONNA CONNECT TO IT, BUT LET'S GO TO 3 26 MISSION AND I DO HAVE IT, BRIAN, ON ONE OF MY SLIDES.WE CAN SEE THEIR FENCE RIGHT THERE.
AND NOW BRIAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T GO MIND GOING TO MY PRESENTATION AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE SLIDES JUST FOR REFERENCE THERE.
NOW LET'S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
SO THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.
I GUESS IT'S, I MEASURED, YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S AROUND FOUR FOOT EIGHT, THE FRONT YARD FENCE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING THERE WITH MY WIFE AND I'M KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING AND IT MAKES SENSE A LITTLE BIT.
3 26, 3 30 MISSION, 4 0 3 STEER, AND WE'RE ALL ONE PROPERTY BACK IN THE DAY, WE'RE JUST TALKING OF THREE 30 MISSION, BUT, AND, AND 4 0 2, UH, 4 0 3 STEER.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS LOOKING AT MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, I NOW WANT TO BRING THIS WROUGHT IRON FENCE, CONTINUE IT, SAME STYLE, SAME EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF MISSION, WRAP IT AROUND AND CONTINUE TO STEER IN.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING NOW.
SO, UM, WITH, SO BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ACTUALLY AT THE, UM, DRC, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AS APPLICANT BEFORE WE GO TO THAT? SO I, YEAH, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ON, ON THE, IN THE FRONT OF THAT HOUSE ON, ON, ON, ON MISSION.
YOU WANNA USE THE WR IRON NOW? YEAH, ABOUT FOUR FOOT EIGHT I THINK.
I'M NOW X-ING THAT OUT AND I'M PUTTING THE SAME FENCE AT 3 26 MISSION ALL THE WAY ACROSS WHAT I CURRENTLY IS APPROVED ON MY HOUSE.
THREE 30 MISSION, REPLACE THAT FOR THE APPROVED WOOD.
EXACTLY WHAT'S AT 3 26 MISSION, CONTINUE IT AROUND.
AND NOW THE SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD CONTINUE THE FOUR FOOT EIGHT NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.
AND, AND IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE ON, ON MISSION, ON MISSION, YOU HAVE WOOD FENCE, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT NOT NOW.
I GOT APPROVED FOR IT, BUT I'M GONNA CHANGE THAT NOW TO A WR IRON.
I I, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT NOW? I I CAN CHIME IN.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT RECENTLY RECEIVED A ADMINISTRATIVE 10 DAY, UM, 10 DAY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A, UH, FOUR FOOT TALL FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD AT THREE 30, UH, MISSION STREET.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CHANGE THAT NOW FROM, UH, WOOD PICKET TO A METAL FENCE, UM, GENERALLY THAT'S APPROPRIATE SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT, UH, EXCEED FOUR FEET.
NOW, THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON SLOPE, SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR HEIGHT.
UH, BUT IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT EIGHT INCH, UH, FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD, HE WOULD NEED TO SEEK HGRC APPROVAL.
UM, AND SO IF HE WAS WANTING TO WRAP IT AROUND TO THE SIDE, UM, ONCE IT HITS THE, UM, ONCE IT HITS THE TERMINATION POINT, UM, IT THEN PICKS BACK UP IN FRONT OF 4 0 3 STEERING.
UM, IT, THE, THE FENCE IN FRONT OF 4 0 3 STEERING WOULD STILL, UH, REQUIRE HDRC REVIEW.
UM, OHB STAFF WOULD STILL TREAT, TREAT IT AS A, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE FRONT TEAM STEERING STREET.
UM, YEAH, YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THE FOUR FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE WOULD CONTINUE ALONG STEERING, SO IT WOULDN'T BE SIX FEET IN FRONT OF STEER AND IT WOULD BE FOUR.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE ON STEER END.
SO THIS WOULD BE REPLACING THAT.
AND, UM, ONCE I'M DONE TO DOVETAIL, YOU SEE THE GATE RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS THAT SAME GATE, SAME ROLLING GATE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IT TO MY PLEASE GO TO MY SITE PLAN THAT SAME GATE, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT RIGHT THERE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE GATE WOULD NOT BE RECESSED, RIGHT? UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE PA UH, THE, THE GATE TO BE, UH, BASICALLY FLUSHED WITH STEERING STREET? YES.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, YES, EXACTLY.
AT LIKE MY NEIGHBOR AT THE, AT THE END OF, UH, CEDAR AND STEERING,
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HE HAS AN ALL WOODEN ROLLING FENCE.I THINK IT'S SIX FOOT, BUT I'M GOING DOWN TO FOUR FOOT EIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE 'EM RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ONE OF THOSE ROLLING FENCES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT WE'LL JUST KEEP THE SAME AS MY NEIGHBOR AT 3 26 FOR CONSISTENCY.
SO AGAIN, TO COMMISSIONER SAMANTHA'S QUESTION, MR. STAFF.
SO WHAT, HE'S ALREADY GOT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
WE'RE GONNA NOT DISCUSS THIS HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING, WE'RE BASICALLY THE REQUEST WAS FOR THE SIX FOOT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING THE REQUEST ON THE SIX FEET, SAME, SAME LOCATION OF ALL THE FENCING TO 4.8 FEET TOTAL.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE MOTION THAT WE MAKE IS CLEAR.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION.
UM, BUT I'M SORRY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION ON ANY OF THE PART THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET.
SO SHOULD BE NOT INCLUDED IN OUR MOTION.
YES, MR. CHAIR, WE, FOUR FOOT EIGHT INCHES, NOT 4.84 FOOT.
AND UM, EXCUSE ME, EVERYONE, I, WE JUMPED INTO QUESTIONS, BUT I DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE VOICEMAILS ON THIS CASE.
SO LET'S HEAR THE VOICEMAILS BEFORE WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
AND DISCUSSION VOICEMAILS PLEASE, SIR, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE.
IS KATE RMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY 1146 SOUTH ALAMO REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 13 4 0 3 STEERING, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE STAFF REP STIPULATIONS REGARDING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 4 0 3 STEERING.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS APPLYING TO REPL THE ADJACENT LOT AT THREE 30 MISSION TO COMBINE WITH 4 0 3 SHARON, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE REPLANTING PROCESS BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO ANY FURTHER ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE HDRC.
THIS IS LISA LYNN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 4 0 3 STEER CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 0 2 3.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEIR STIPULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD.
WE HEAR THAT A PROPOSAL TO COMBINE THIS LOT WITH THE LOT AT THREE 30 MISSION AS THE PRIMARY ADDRESS INTO A SINGLE PLATTED LOT IS IN PROGRESS.
EVEN IF THE PLAT IS APPROVED, THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE AT 4 0 3 STEERING SHOULD RETAIN VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET AS IT HISTORICALLY HAS HAD WITH FOUR FOOT MAXIMUM HIGH FENCE ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF WINDOW AWNINGS, BUT THE DESIGN PROPOSAL SHOULD BE REVISED WITH LESS BULKY FRAMING NUMBERS APPROPRIATE TO THE SCALE OF THIS SMALL STRUCTURE.
UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I SEE YOUR HAND STILL RAISED.
DID YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR DID YOU JUST NOT LOWER YOUR HAND? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, IT WAS STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME.
SO THE FOURTH, THE, THE BLUE FENCE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BLUE FENCE.
THAT WILL NOT BE THREE FEET ANYMORE.
THAT WOULD BE 4.8 AS WELL AS A YELLOW FENCE.
SO ON THIS SITE PLAN, I KNOW THIS IS HARD BECAUSE BOTH ADDRESSES ARE ON THERE.
TODAY'S AGENDA IS ONLY ABOUT FOUR THREE STEERING.
SO THREE 30 MISSION WAS BROUGHT UP JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE'S A SEPARATE FENCE APPROVAL THAT'S, THAT HE'S REFERENCING THERE, BUT YOU ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO TAKE ACTION FOR THREE 30 MISSION.
BUT SINCE NOW HE'S CHANGING THE HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCE.
SO, SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THE SAME FROM YARD FENCE THAT HE'S PROPOSED FOR MISSION WOULD BE FOUR FEET TALL, WHICH IS ALLOWED, AND IT WOULD EXTEND ALONG STEERING STREET.
AND WHERE IT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW TO BE SIX FEET, IT WOULD NOW JUST BE THAT SAME FOUR FOOT WRT IRON FENCE.
BUT IT IS REALLY NOT FOUR FEET.
I WANNA MAKE SURE HE, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT AND WE ALL AGREED WITH THAT.
WELL, OKAY, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS HERE, BUT FOUR FEET IS WHAT IS ALLOWED BY CODE.
UM, HOWEVER, LIKE DSD INTERPRETS IT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS FOR A FEW INCHES HERE OR THERE.
AND I THINK THAT MR. PEREZ HAS MEASURED FROM THE VERY TALLEST POINT OF THAT FENCE.
SO IT'S PROBABLY A FOUR FOOT FENCE, BUT HE DID FIND FOUR FEET, EIGHT INCHES.
SO HE CANNOT GET A PERMIT FOR A FOUR FOOT, EIGHT INCH FENCE, ONLY A FOUR FOOT FENCE.
IF HE WANTED TO TRULY BUILD A FENCE THAT WAS FOUR EIGHT, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
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AND FOR THOSE ON SCREEN, HE WAS NODDING ALONG TO THATAND CAN YOU ALSO REMIND ME, UM, THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, WE DIDN'T REALLY VOTE ON IT, RIGHT? WE SENT THE WHOLE CASE TO DRC, THE CARPORT ON THE AWNING.
NOW, MAY I HAVE A REPORT FROM DRC, PLEASE? YEP.
SO, UM, IT WAS MYSELF, COMMISSIONER, UH, SINO, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MAZUA WAS THERE WITH US.
SO WE GOT A NICE, UH, HISTORICAL REPORT FROM, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOUR WIFE, MR. PEREZ, MS. CHRISTINA PEREZ.
UM, AND WE KIND OF SEE WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT.
WE WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT A SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD MAKE TO THAT FRONT FACADE, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS NOW, THAT HOUSE IS A FRONT FACADE.
UM, AND WE DID GET THE, UH, A BACKGROUND THAT THAT WAS ONE PROPERTY UNTIL THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY BUILT THIS LITTLE SECOND HOUSE THAT IS ON, UH, IS IT STEER STEERING.
UM, IN 1941, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AND IN 1948 IT WAS SEPARATED INTO TWO LOTS.
SO THAT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE, UH, AS WE WERE OUT THERE AND, AND WE COULD SEE WHERE THEY WERE STILL SOMEWHAT SOME SORT OF CONNECTION TO IT AS FAR AS HOW IT FLOWS AND, AND THE DESIGN OF IT.
BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT STEERING LOOKS LIKE A FRONT FACING HOUSE WITH A PORCH AND A, AND A AND AN AWNING, UH, AND A DRIVEWAY.
SO I, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE WHERE THE STIPULATIONS TO TREAT IT AS A, AS A HOUSE ON STEER AND WOULD APPLY.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA MERGE 'EM AND THEN THAT HOUSE BECOMES PART OF THE BACKYARD, WE NOTICE THAT, YEAH, IT COULD PROBABLY WORK.
YOU PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE, UH, IT MIGHT WORK IF IT'S FROM THE STREET, YOU DON'T SEE THAT HOUSE AND THINK, OH, THAT'S JUST A FRONT FACING HOUSE COVERED BY A SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH IT WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE LIKE THAT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE AWNING THAT'S ON THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF A VERY OVERPOWERING AWNING.
BUT NOW THAT HE'S CHANGED THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION STILL BECOMES, DOES IT LOOK LIKE A FRONT FACING HOUSE THAT'S NOT A FRONT FACING HOUSE ANYMORE? UH, WILL THAT FENCE HAVE AN IMPACT TO IT? I, I DUNNO, I ACTUALLY CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT LITTLE FOUR FOOT FENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL CHANGE THE LOOK OF IT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, DETACHED GARAGE LOOK LIKE A, YOU COULD PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT A DETACH, A DETACHED AWNING THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUT IT UP RIGHT AGAINST THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE ANY OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURE, KIND OF DON'T REALLY NEED TO BOLT IT TO THE HOUSE, BUT HAVING SOMETHING THERE I THINK WOULD PROBABLY LOOK PRETTY GOOD, UH, OR LOOK.
AND THE SAME THING WITH THE AWNINGS ON THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE CANTED KIND OF AWAY FROM THE STREET.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AS WE WERE WALKING THERE.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AS TO HOW WOULD THIS HOME LOOK WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE IN FRONT OF IT, BASICALLY THAT WAS LIKE THE BIG DOMINATING THING THERE AND IT WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE A HOME THAT'S TRYING TO BE COVERED UP BECAUSE THAT, THAT FRONT AWNING, THAT FRONT PORCH, IT'S ON THAT HOUSE NOW MAKES IT LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A REGULAR HOME.
UM, BUT IF IT, IF, IF, IF THE FACADE COULD BE SIMPLIFIED OR IF IT CAN BE MADE TO GET TONED DOWN A BIT SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A HOUSE HIDING BEHIND A SIX FOOT FENCE, WELL THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE NOTICE.
OF COURSE, THAT'S KIND OF GOING OUT THE DOOR.
'CAUSE HE'S LOOKING FOR A FOUR FOOT FENCE NOW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
AND I, ANY COMMISSIONERS WANNA ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LET ME KNOW.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, NO.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION, SIR.
I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO GO DOWN THIS LIST, UH, AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE A MOTION, UH, WITH STAFF.
UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, UH, UH, ELIMINATING ITEM TWO, UH, I ELIMINATING ITEM THREE, LEAVING ITEM FOUR UNDER ONE.
UH, UH, UH, MOTION, UH, UH, RETAINING ITEM 1.1, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR 1.2, 1.3, UH, AND, UH, LEAVING ITEM 1.4, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT MEETS SETBACK STANDARDS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAINS WHATEVER, VARIANCE AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS STUFF THAT, THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
UM, ENABLING ITEM TWO FOR A RIGHT IRON FENCE THAT MATCHES 3 26 MISSION IN A STYLE THAT DOESN'T EXCEED FOUR EIGHT AND HEIGHT WITH A ROLLING GATE TO MATCH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORING ROLLING GATE AND REMOVING ITEM THREE
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END OF MOTION.SO, SO WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR MOTION, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, UM, UNDER ITEM ONE PROVEN, UM, SUBSECTION ONE, SUBSECTION FOUR, ELIMINATING TWO AND THREE, UM, TAKING, UM, ITEM TWO AND CHANGING THAT TO A, UM, RIGHT IRON AND THEN, UM, ELIMINATING THREE YOU? YES, SIR.
I BELIEVE THAT'S, IS THAT CORRECT OR APPROVAL OF REQUEST ITEM THREE SUBMITTED? YEAH, BECAUSE ITEM TWO IS SIX BY SIX COLUMNS OF THE CARPORT.
I WASN'T SURE IF THIS WAS THE SITE, THE ANGLE.
I APPRECIATE YOU HELPING BECAUSE NO PROBLEM.
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, UM, THE LANGUAGE HERE IS MR. CHAIR JUST FOR FUTURE, CAN WE NOT CALL IT SUBSECTION? THESE ARE STIPULATIONS AND EACH ITEM WE DON'T CONFUSE STIPULATIONS WITH AN ITEM.
WELL SEE, SEE THE THING IS THAT, THAT IF IT'S ITEM ONE AND THEN IT'S I OKAY, BUT IF IT'S ITEM ONE AND ONE I AND THEN TWO I'S, AND THEN THREE I'S, AND THEN YOU USE THE V, THEN THOSE ARE NUMBERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ITEM ONE, A, B, C, AND D.
BUT IF IT'S ITEM ONE AND THEN YOU HAVE A A ONE, THEN IT'S 1.1.
UM, IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I SECOND.
UH, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW HIM TO STILL WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON COMING TO A SOLUTION WITH THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YES.
UH, I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION FOR ITEM THREE AS TO NOT ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION YES.
FOR IT TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN, UH, INTENT.
SO AS, AS SUBMITTED, YES, AS SUBMITTED.
THANK IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY.
CAN I CLARIFY THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME PLEASE, SIR? SORRY.
SO APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS, EXCEPT IT MAY BE ATTACHED.
UM, ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED TODAY FOR A FOUR FOOT FRONT YARD WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING ATTACHED Y YES.
AS IT WAS PRESENTED THE LAST TIME THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
YOU STILL AGREE, SIR? UM, THINKING HOW WOULD IT BE ATTACHED? WELL, IN, IN, IN DISCUSSION LAST TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS NOTING WAS THAT I'LL SECOND SO WE CAN GO TO THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S A QUESTION HOWARD IN, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, SESSION, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED, IT, HE'S GONE THROUGH THE, THE, THE PROPER DETAILING TO MAKE IT, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO IT, IT ISN'T AN ALIEN SOLUTION, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT A HOUSE OF A PARTICULAR STYLE.
AND THEN HE WENT TO A DIFFERENT STYLE AND ATTACHED IT.
IT'S MEANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE SO THAT IT HAS THE FEEL OF, OF, OF, OF A LATER ADDITION.
BUT IN ADDITION, THAT IS DONE, UH, WITH THIS PROPER SIDING AND THE, AND THE WAY THE SIDING CONNECTS TO THE HOUSE.
SO ALL OF THAT IS, I FIND IT TO BE, UH, APPROPRIATE.
OF COURSE, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN THE WAY THAT IT ACTIVATES THE HOUSE AND ALSO IN THE WAY THAT IT PROTECTS FOR MOISTURE INFO, UH, INTRUSION.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS, IF IT WAS YOUR HOUSE, THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF PROXIMITY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 4 0 7 4 18
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EAST LOCUST.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT, CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCA LOCUST LOCATED WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PRIOR TO FURTHER REVIEW.
ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE PROPOSED SETBACK TO MATCH THAT OF THE MOST ADJACENT STRUCTURE FEATURING, UH, FRONTING EAST LOCUS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT AMEND THE PRIMARY INTEREST TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL ROOF FORM THAT INCORPORATES THE RECESSED ENTRY AND PORCHES NOTED IN FINDING E THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SCALE AND HEIGHT OR SEPARATE THE MASK OF THE STRUCTURE TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT.
AS NOTED IN FINDING F FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFY THE USE AND RHYTHM OF ROOF FORMS THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURES NOTED IN FINDING G FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE BUILDING TO LOT RATIO TO BELOW 50% LOT COVERAGE BASED ON FINDING H THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED MORE TRADITIONAL EXTERIOR MATERIAL MATERIALS THAT RELATE TO THE MATERIALITY OF THE DISTRICT BASED ON FINDING I SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS AND A REVISED FENESTRATION PATTERN BASED ON FINDINGS J AND K EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO REMOVE FRONT YARD PARKING AND SUBMIT ALL LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDINGS L AND M AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE REAR GARAGE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AS NOTED IN FINDINGS IN, UM, WE HAVE APPLICANT JOSEPH HERE AS WELL AS THE OWNERS, UM, ACCOMPANYING HIM.
UH, APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME.
I KNOW IT'S TAKES A LOT OUTTA YOUR SCHEDULE, SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S, UH, DEDICATION.
UM, I'M, MY NAME IS JOSEPH SMITH, UH, WITH JMS ARCHITECTS.
I ALSO, UH, HAPPEN TO LIVE IN, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF TOBIN HILL ON NORTH ST.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, YOU KNOW, LOVE THE WALKABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THE ECLECTIC MIX, THE DIVERSITY.
UM, WHAT ALSO WE SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE A LOT OF EMPTY HOLES.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES THAT AGAIN, HAD ONE TIME, UH, HISTORIC HOMES ON IT.
UH, ESPECIALLY THE EASTERN PART OF TOBIN HILL, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT PART OF THE DISTRICT, BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS WELL.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW, UH, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING AND WE'VE DONE QUITE A FEW, UH, IN TOBIN HILL.
UH, THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A MULTI, OR FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE PROPERTY IS A MULTIFAMILY.
UH, SURROUNDING THEM ARE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO DEVELOP IT AND FLIP IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THIS IS THEIR LONG TERM GENERATIONAL HOME.
UM, AND SO THEY CAME TO US LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE IN THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES OF THOSE.
WE'VE, UH, ONE EXAMPLE IS FOUR 16 KENDALL, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN, IN TERMS OF SCALE AND IN HEIGHT.
IT'S A TWO AND A HALF STORY RESIDENCE.
VERY SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT WE'RE USING STUCCO.
UH, IN THAT CASE IT WAS STANDING SCENE METAL AS WELL AS THIS HOUSE.
THIS HOUSE, WE HAVE LIMESTONE AS WELL.
UM, THAT HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY ON CONSENT, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE, OF THE RULES, THE REGULATIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS MADE.
IF I COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL ON THE SETBACK, THE FIRST ITEM, AND I WENT OUT THERE AND VERIFIED TODAY, AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU.
UH, THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IS AT 26 FEET.
UH, THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS AT 27 FEET.
THE STEPS DO EXTEND OUT BEYOND THAT 27 FEET INTO THE FRONT YARD.
SO I THINK AGAIN, ON THE SETBACK, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE.
UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS ON THE PORCH ROOF.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE FRONT IS A, UH, A LIMESTONE CLAD, UH, COLONNADE.
BEHIND IT IS A LOW SLOPED ROOF, WHICH IS HIDDEN BY THAT WHICH PRO, WHICH, UH, PRODUCES A COVERED PORCH AND COVERED ENTRY, UH, INTO THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT COLONATE ALSO ABOVE THAT ARE TALL WINDOWS INTO THE SECOND STORY OR A TWO STORY SPACE, WHICH IS THE MAIN LIVING SPACE OF THE HOME.
AGAIN, THESE, THIS HOUSE IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, WE CURRENT TRENDS HAVE CHANGED AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT HAVE CHANGED, AND THEY WANTED A LOT OF LIGHT INTO THIS HOUSE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, ON THE GLASS, WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF IT.
I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS TO ACTUALLY INTRODUCE MORE GLASS
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ON THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE.ONE, IT'S LOOKING AT NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
UH, AND TWO, IT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE GLAZING PATTERNS, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MAXIMIZE WHAT IS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN THE COURTYARD, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY U-SHAPED, UH, ENCLOSED COURTYARD.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE, THE HOUSE IS LOCATED, UH, SO I, UM, ITEM THREE, UH, WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT, AGAIN, IS ALLOWED UNDER THE DISTRICT.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF HDRC.
UM, THE HOUSE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE HOUSE IS AT 36, BUT GENERALLY WE MEASURE THE HEIGHT TO THE MIDSECTION OF THAT ROOF, WHICH WOULD BE LOWER THAN THAT.
AND AGAIN, IF WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL SCALE DRAWING OF THE STREET, UH, IN MY OPINION, IT'S IN SCALE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES.
SO THAT IS A PHOTOGRAPH WITH, UH, THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK.
UM, THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT DOES STEP DOWN HIS LOWER HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ALSO, UH, FLIPPED THE HOUSE.
WE HAD A DESIGN REVIEW MEETING TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO.
UH, THAT WAS ONE COMMENT CAME UP WAS THE HEIGHT.
SINCE THAT MEETING, WE ROTATED THE HOUSE SO THAT THE COURTYARD OPENS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN THE HOUSE STEPS DOWN TO THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT, WHICH IS TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE LOWER HOUSE.
UM, ALSO PART OF THAT MEETING, UM, THE OVERALL LOT COVERAGE WAS 55%.
AND I THINK IT STILL REFERS TO THAT IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S AT 51.6%, UM, IS THE CURRENT LOCK COVERAGE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THEN THE ROOF FORMS, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMENT IS MADE THAT THE ROOF FORMS ARE, ARE VARIED AND THEY ARE, UM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WE HAVE A GABLE ROOF OVER THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHICH IS A TWO STORY SPACE.
THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS A, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT EL FRONT ELEVATION, THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS A TWO STORY VOLUME, LIVING SPACE.
AND THEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ON THE, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE MID PART OF THE HOUSE IS THE TWO AND A HALF STORY.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN ALL OF OUR WORK IS REFLECT THE FUNCTION OF THE SPACES WITHIN FARM FOLLOWS FUNCTION.
UH, PROBABLY TIRED AND OVERUSED, BUT, UH, VERY PERTINENT, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE WINDOWS WHERE WE WANT, WHERE WE NEED WINDOWS AND SPACES THAT WE NEED.
WINDOWS, WE HAVE HIGHER WINDOWS IN, IN, UH, BATHROOMS AND PRIVATE SPACES.
UM, BUT LARGER WINDOWS IN THE MORE PUBLIC AREAS.
AND THEN CERTAINLY IN THE BEDROOMS, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOT COVERAGE.
SO THE LIMITATION OF SO STRAIGHT OUT OF WHAT IT, WHAT IT SAYS.
SO I THINK THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STUCCO MATERIAL NOT BEING APPROPRIATE.
AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES ON LOCUSTS THAT HAVE, UH, CEMENT, PLASTER FINISH.
UH, THERE'S OTHER HOUSES BECAUSE WHAT WE LOOK AT THESE HISTORIC HOUSES, WE GO BEYOND JUST THE DISTRICT, EVEN ACROSS MCCULLOUGH IN TOBIN HILL CLOSER TO SAC, THERE'S SEVERAL HOUSES THAT HA ARE, ARE PRETTY, UH, SIGNIFICANT HOUSES THAT HAVE STUCCO FINISHES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT, BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE HOUSES OF THE SAME PERIOD THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
JUST DOWN THE STREET THERE IS A, UH, A PINK COLORED, UH, STUCCO HOUSE, UH, FURTHER DOWN ON LOCUSTS.
SO I THINK THE PRECEDENT IS THERE.
OF COURSE, THE HOUSE WE DID AT FOUR 16.
KENDALL ALSO HAS A STUCCO FINISH, AND WE ALSO HAVE STANDING SEAM METAL.
THE STANDING SEA METAL IS, IS MEANT TO REPLICATE THE BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT IN A MODERN, SUSTAINABLE, RECYCLED MATERIAL THAT WILL LAST AS OPPOSED TO THE BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH ARE DONE IN SHEETS OF 10 FOOT WITH CONTROL JOINTS AND, AND NAIL HOLES AND, AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING, UM, A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, ON THIS RESIDENCE.
IT'S GONNA BE A FIRST CLASS RESIDENCE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO MATERIALS I THINK WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, REPRESENT MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, BUT ON THE HIGHER END HOMES WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC AREA.
THE WINDOWS, AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS ON THE WINDOWS, BUT THEY ARE, UH, ALUMINUM, CLOUD, WOOD, WINDOWS, MORE OF A, A DOUBLE HUNG, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
UH, AGAIN, KEEPING WITH WHAT'S TYPICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK THE REQUEST WAS FOR, UH, FRONT YARD PARKING.
WE KNOW THAT'S A PUSH UNDERSTANDABLY.
UM, BUT THE ISSUE AROUND THEM IS IT'S ALL MULTIFAMILY.
EVERY TIME WE'VE GONE OVER THERE, AGAIN, I WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM,
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THERE'S ALWAYS CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT IS FROM OTHER PROPERTIES.AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS CAN BE A LARGE SIGNIFICANT HOME.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY IN TOWN THAT WILL BE VISITING.
THEY WANTED A PLACE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PARK, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THE GARAGE ON THE BACK, WE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WE DID HAVE MORE OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WE HAD A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE THAT WAS, UH, BEING INCORPORATED INTO DESIGN THAT HAS SINCE THE LAST DESIGN REVIEW MEETING BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE PROJECT.
SO THE REAR ELEVATION, WE, YOU KNOW, STEPPED DOWN TO THE GARAGE.
UM, BUT IT IS ALL ONE MASSING, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WE SEE IT AS ONE MAIN HOUSE WITH A GARAGE IN THE REAR, AND THAT ROOF LINE DOES STEP DOWN AND THEN PROVIDES A, UH, GENEROUS ROOF DECK ON THE BACKSIDE.
AND AGAIN, THE ROOF DECK IS MORE ORIENTED SO THAT IT'S LOOKING INTO THE COURTYARD AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED, NEIGHBORS AREN'T INTERESTED IN SEEING EACH OTHER.
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVACY, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LIVELY, YOU KNOW, INTERACTION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THE HOME.
AND THEN ON THE TWO AND A HALF STORY ON THE TOP LEVEL, WE DO HAVE A SMALL PATIO THAT YOU SEE IN THAT SLIDE ON THE TOP, WHICH HAS A VIEW TO DOWNTOWN, WHICH AGAIN, UH, TO GET THE HEIGHT, UM, THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BETTER SPOT TO PUT THAT.
SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE KIND OF MY POINTS THERE ON THE, ON THE OVERALL OF THE PROJECT.
SO OPEN UP TO DISCUSSION AND THE OWNERS ARE HERE, PRIYA AND JP, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANTED TO SAY A WORD OR IN THE MEANTIME, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE DID THAT ARE WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY HDRC.
AND THEN MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AFTER THE, UH, THANK YOU.
I GO BY JP AND THIS IS MY WIFE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO JOE'S COMMENTS, UM, WHICH WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UH, IN ADDITION, WE WANTED TO KIND OF BRING HOME THE POINT THAT THIS IS NOT AN INVESTMENT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO FLIP THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS AN INVESTMENT INTO TOBIN HILL FOR US TO BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'D BEEN LIVING IN SAN ANTONIO FOR 20 YEARS, BUT AS OUR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN GO OFF TO COLLEGE, WE WANTED TO MOVE CLOSER TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND, AND WE SAW THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A, A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY AS WE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
WE SAW MANY HOUSES AS JOE HAS REFERRED TO, UM, THAT HAVE, UH, A LOT OF APPEAL TO US.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PROCEEDED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF THIS LOT, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE COULD REPLICATE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN TOBIN HILL CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, I WANNA REITERATE, THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL PROPERTY FOR US.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, MY WIFE'S PARENTS, MY MOTHER, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GRANDKIDS SOMEDAY, UH, TO LIVE IN THIS PROPERTY AND, UH, CONTINUE TO ENJOY THAT PROPERTY LONG TERM.
AND AS THE FAMILY GROWS, WE, YOU KNOW, MADE IT TO THE SCALE WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY, UH, DOWN THE ROAD WHO WILL BE STAYING THERE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN, UH, THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION TODAY TO IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE INVESTED IN TOBIN HILL.
WE'RE NOT INVESTORS, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2.
I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBAN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 4 0 7.
ITEM NUMBER 14, NEW CONSTRUCTION AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST IN THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY THE OWNER OR THE ARCHITECT.
WE FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN PROPOSED IN THIS PROJECT.
SOME OF THE POINTS WE OBJECT TO INCLUDE, NUMBER ONE, MASSING, INCLUDING THE HEIGHT AND ATTACHED STRUCTURES.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS TOO TALL FOR ITS SURROUNDINGS, AND ITS OVERPOWERING MASS IS ACCENTUATED BY THE ATTACHED GARAGE APARTMENT, WHICH IS AS TALL AS THE FRONT SECTION OF THE BUILDING.
TRADITIONALLY, OUT BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE DETACHED.
NUMBER TWO, LOT COVERAGE IN SPITE OF PUBLISHED GUIDELINES.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING COVERS TOO MUCH OF THE LOT.
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OF REFERENCE TO LOCAL TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL PATTERNS.IN PARTICULAR, THE PORCH ROOF ATTACHED GARAGE, APARTMENT, AND WINDOW PLACEMENT.
DO NOT REFER TO THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
THE LOT IS SURROUNDED BY TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
SOME WERE FINISHED ATTICS, BUT THE ARCHITECT HAS ADMITTED A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING.
THIS DOES NOT FIT THE SURROUNDINGS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE AGREE WITH HCRC, DESIGN REVIEW NOTES, AND THE OHP STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS PROJECT REQUEST AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
WE'LL START OFF WITH QUESTIONS.
UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, IF YOU GO TO THE EAST ELEVATION, PLEASE, ON PAGE 29, I'M SORRY, YES.
EAST ELEVATION IN THE FRONT HALF OF THE HOUSE HAS A LOWER, UH, RIDGE LINE.
AND, UH, TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THAT WAS AT 32 FEET, ROUGHLY, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE, UH, THE TOP OF THE, THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE AT 36 FEET, SO THAT MID ROOF IS AT LIKE 34 FEET.
UM, AND HOW DOES THE 34 FEET RELATE TO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES THAT ARE SHOWN ON PAGE 32? UH, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, THE DRAWING THAT TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMILAR TO A FEW PROPERTIES AND YOU KNOW, IT'S HIGHER THAN OTHERS.
UM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ACTUALLY HEIGHT, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? NO, SIR.
WHAT ARE THE CEILING HEIGHTS OF THE THREE FLOORS? 10.
THAT, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
COMM UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
WE'RE UNABLE TO HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING ON EACH OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF PRESENTED, AND I THINK I FOLLOWED MOST OF THEM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO THERE'S NOT ONE STIPULATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY WOULD COMPLY WITH.
RIGHT? WELL, ACTUALLY, AS CLARIFICATION, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THE SETBACK.
SO WE ARE SETBACK THE SAME AS THE HOUSE TO THE EAST OF US.
BUT NO, WELL, WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
LIKE, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS MORE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU PRESENTED, BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU'RE THE SAME AS THE EAST, BUT YOUR PRESENTATION HAD 23 AND 30.
SO I WANNA, YES, I, I WENT YOUR PRESENTATION AT 23 AND 30.
SO I VERIFIED THIS AFTERNOON WHEN I PICKED UP THE SIGN FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO MEASURED THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IS AT 26 FEET, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE STEPS.
SO WHERE IT SAYS 23, THAT'S ACTUALLY 26.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE IN LINE WITH IT.
THE HOUSE TO THE, WHAT'S PLANNED LEFT, WHICH IS TO THE WEST, IS ACTUALLY AT 27 FEET.
BUT IT DOES HAVE STEPS THAT PROTRUDE OUT, UH, BEYOND THAT WHICH ARE UNCOVERED, BUT THEY DO PROJECT OUT FURTHER.
SO THAT HOUSE TO THE LEFT IS 27, WE'RE AT 26.
THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER IS AT 26.
AND ANY OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS? WELL, THE OTHER STIPULATIONS, I THINK THAT, UH, I MEAN YOU'VE ALL PRESENTED THEM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE LIKE
SO I MEAN, THE OTHER STIPULATIONS, I THINK, AGAIN, LIKE MATERIALS, EVEN IN THE WRITEUP OF IT, IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, USE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UH, DON'T USE, UH, EIFS IS NOT RECOMMENDED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR ACTUAL STUCCO.
SO I MEAN, IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE GUIDELINES THAT STUCCO IS ALLOWED.
UH, AND IT DOES SAY IN THE, I MEAN, JUST READING IT, IT SAYS, DO NOT USE VINYL SIDING, PLASTIC CORRUGATED METAL CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS NOT TRADITIONALLY USED IN THE DISTRICT, SUCH AS BRICK OR SIMULATED STONE VEER HARDBOARD.
SIR, SIR, LEMME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER GROUP IS, IS SIMPLY ASKING ABOUT THE ARMED STIPULA.
RIGHT? AND I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT,
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SIR.AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT USING NEW MATERIALS THAT ARE VISUALLY SIMILAR TO TRADITIONAL MATERIALS.
SO IN THE GUIDELINES, IT'S ACTUALLY, SO I DO BELIEVE WE, WE DO FOLLOW THOSE STIPULATIONS.
SO I'M JUST CLARIFYING THAT I THINK THAT WE DO FOLLOW THAT STIPULATION.
IN TERMS OF THE ROOF LINES, AGAIN, WE HAVE A GABLED ROOF, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE HAVE LOWER SLOPE GABLES THAT ARE INCORPORATED WITH IT.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO LOWER THE ROOF IS TO KEEP THE ROOF AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, TO KEEP THE WALLS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, BUT STILL MAINTAINING A TWO AND A HALF FOOT.
UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TIME FROM OTHER COMMISSIONER'S.
UH, I'LL DO A MOTION IF, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
YEAH, SIR, DON'T GO ANYWHERE HERE.
SO ON IMAGE 21, WHERE YOU GOT THE LOCUS STREET ELEVATION, YOU HAVE THE HOUSES LINED UP, WHERE DOES THE GROUND SIT ON YOUR PROPOSED HOME IN RELATION TO THE GROUND AND THE PHOTOS OR THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE? I NOTICED THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT.
YOU'RE PUTTING THAT, I GUESS, BASELINE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UH, YOU'RE PUTTING THAT JUST ABOVE THE PORCH ON THE HOU HOUSE TO THE FAR RIGHT.
I I, IS THAT INDICATING THERE'S A GROUND ELEVATION DROP FROM YOUR LOT TO THAT LOT? UH, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SURE, SURE THERE IS SOME GRADE CHANGE ACROSS THAT BLOCK OF LOCUS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S REPRESENTATIONAL.
I DON'T WANNA PRETEND THAT I'VE GONE AND MEASURED EVERY SINGLE OF THESE OFFICERS IN THE HEIGHTS.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT SPEAKS TO THE, TO THE ELEVATION HEIGHT.
COMMISSIONER OXO? YES, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. SMITH.
UM, I HAVE LOTS OF CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, EACH ONE OF THESE STIPULATIONS, UM, BUT I'M HOPING YOU COULD ANSWER ONE OF THEM.
UH, IN REGARDS TO MASSING AND FORMS, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD MADE SOME CHANGES, FOR INSTANCE, I BELIEVE ON THE EAST SIDE IS THE COURTYARD.
SO IT OPENS UP SO IT DOESN'T OVERPOWER THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
HOW DO YOU APPLY THAT GUIDELINE TO THE HOUSE ON THE WEST? WELL, THE HOUSE ON THE WEST IS A TWO STORY WITH A SIGNIFICANT AT, AND IT'S A, IT'S A LARGER SCALE HOME THAN THE HOUSE TO THE EAST.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT 40, 50 FEET DEEP INTO THE LOT.
BUT THERE'S A REMAINING PORTION OF THE LOT THAT IS BACKYARD AND FAMILY SPACE.
UM, SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY ACCOMMODATIONS TO PULL BACK FROM THEIR PRIVATE SPACE IN THE BACKYARD? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THEY USE IT FOR FAMILY SPACE, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES AROUND.
I THINK THEY USE IT PRIMARILY FOR PARKING.
O MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO, TO, TO TRY SOMETHING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS O ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UH, THE PROJECT RAISES A QUESTION.
IT'S NOT REALLY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A, OF A MOTION.
SO IF I CAN GET A SECOND TO SECOND.
UM, BEFORE YOU GO THERE, COMMISSIONER GROUP HAD A MOTION THAT SHE WANTED TO DO.
DOING, NO, SHE, SHE HAD A MOTION THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO MAKE, BUT IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING PROTOCOL, SHE DIDN'T, SHE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE WE WERE STILL A MOTION THAT WAS MADE WAS THE MOTION THAT I MADE.
IT'S 'CAUSE WE WERE STILL IN QUESTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAD HER HOLD UP.
SO I'M GONNA ALLOW HER TO DO HER MOTION.
AND THEN NOW I, I I, I, I, I, I FULLY RESPECT THE PROTOCOL THAT YOU, YOU CHOOSE TO USE.
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, BECAUSE A MOTION WASN'T MADE AND IT WAS PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT A MOTION BEFORE OTHERS STILL HAD QUESTIONS.
AND I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION TO, TO END THIS, UH, UH, ACTIVITY HERE.
I, I'M ONLY MAKING A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION THAT RAISES A MORAL QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE MAY OR MAY NOT LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
SO, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOUR, TO YOUR WISDOM AND PRUDENCE, BUT I, I, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A KIND OF PROJECT THAT, THAT IS UNIQUE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CONVERSATION BRIEFLY, HOWEVER, IT MAY BE ABOUT, UM, THE NATURE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UM, IT JUST, TO ME, SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT AND NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT I GOT A SECOND.
I AM NOT GONNA GET INTO DISCUSSION.
THIS WAS REALLY ALSO JUST A MOTION TO GET INTO DISCUSSION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHARE WHAT THEY SAW ON DRC, BUT THAT WAS ALSO PART OF WHY I WANTED TO DO A MOTION WAS WE COULD GET INTO DISCUSSION.
I DID NOT HEAR COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S MOTION AND HE GOT A SECOND.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE THE SAME MOTION.
AND MY MOTION IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION,
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BUT IT, I THINK IT, THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE WHAT IS THE MOTION? SO, SO THE MOTION TO GO TO DISCUSSION ONE MOMENT, PLEASE HOLD UP.SO WHEN WE'RE IN QUESTION MODE, OKAY, I'M GONNA ALLOW COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
AND THEN WHEN SHE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, I SAID, HOLD UP.
'CAUSE WE'RE STILL IN QUESTION MODE.
NOW, NOW THAT QUESTION MODE IS OVER RIGHT? NOW.
I WANTED TO GIVE HER THAT PRIVILEGE TO, UM, GO, 'CAUSE SHE MENTIONED THAT.
AND LET'S GO BY ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER.
MOTIONS GO BY THE ITEMS PRESENTED TODAY.
SO FOR NOW, THE MOTION THAT I WAS PUT TO THE TABLE IS MOTION, MOTION FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
BUT, BUT SEE, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S NOT PROPER.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE USING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, THEN I, I CAN MOTION AFTER I FINISH MY QUESTION.
AND THEN YOU WOULD THEN BY THIS LOGIC, LET EVERYBODY ASK QUESTIONS SECOND.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE ATTORNEY.
YOU'D HAVE TO DEFER TO ME BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THAT RULE RIGHT NOW.
OKAY? THAT'S NOT A PROPER RULE.
A PERSON MAKING A MOTION HAS TO WAIT TILL THERE'S NO QUESTIONS TO MAKE A MOTION.
THEY CAN'T, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY SAYING, HEY, I, I, I'VE GOT THESE QUESTIONS, I GOT THESE QUESTIONS, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
AND THEY'RE THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK.
THAT'S JUST, THAT JUST WOULD OVERWHELM THE PROCESS.
THERE WOULD BE NO DUE, THERE WOULD BE NO TR THERE, THERE'S NO, UH, DUE PROCESS IN THAT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER
WHAT IS THAT LEGAL COUNSEL RIGHT NOW.
SO AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, OKAY, AS I MENTIONED, I'M ALWAYS GONNA DEFER TO PERSON WHO SAID THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION.
NOW I AM GONNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
NOW, WHEN WE GOT TO THE END OF QUESTIONING, AND THEN YOU STATED THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT PERSON.
NOW, IF THAT'S INCORRECT, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHY I DEFER TO HERS.
NOW IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE SAME POINT ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO DISCUSSION, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD DISAGREE, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE A MOTION TO DENY, OR A MOTION TO APPROVE AND DISCUSSION THEN BECOMES A DISCUSSION RELEVANT TO THE MOTION TO DENY OR MOTION TO APPROVE.
MY REQUEST FOR BRIEF DISCUSSION IS NOT BASED ON, UH, DENIAL OR APPROVAL.
IT'S BASED ON THE MORAL COMPASS THAT WE'RE USING ARCHITECTURALLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE I'M, YOU KNOW, A BIT OF A CHEAT SHEET BECAUSE I COME OUT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL INDUSTRY AND I'M SPEAKING FROM WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE AN EDUCATED PLATFORM THAT THIS, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A, A NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED ARCHITECTURALLY.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER IT PASSES OR FAILS.
IT JUST, IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A LITTLE EDUCATION AND SOME, UM, UM, SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK AND, AND EVEN CONSIDERING A MOTION THAT, THAT, THAT PERHAPS THE DISCUSSION IS, IS RELEVANT.
YES, ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIR Y COMMISSIONER'S MOTION WAS GOING.
COMMISSIONER GRU'S MOTION WAS GOING TO BE HEARD RIGHT? SECOND.
SO THERE SECOND BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.
UM, NOW WE CAN HAVE DELIBERATIONS ON THE MOTION PRESENT.
SO NOW, SO THAT'S BEEN CLEAR CLARIFIED BY LEGAL.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE IN DISCUSSION NOW ABOUT THIS.
SO NOW DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE TO DISCUSS CONCERNING THIS MOTION? THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
UH, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND PROCESSES AND ALL THAT.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A, UH, A VERY, UM, UH, KIND OF SENSITIVE WAY OF LOOKING AT OUR PRES PRESERVATION CHARGE THAT NATIONALLY, IT, IT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FALSE HISTORICISM AND, AND, AND COPYING, UH, UH, BECOMES A VERY DIFFICULT TASK FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT SKILLED NOW WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH LICENSED PROFESSIONALS.
AND THEN WE'RE DEALING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND, AND HAVING A GOOD OPINION OR LOOKING AT SOMETHING FROM A PROFESSIONAL AND EDUCATED POSITION.
I THINK THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT CHALLENGES A COMMISSION.
IT CHALLENGES PART PARTICIPATION ON A COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE ANY, ANY SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT TO DELIBERATE ON.
IN THIS CASE, IT TAKES AN EMPTY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT TAKES A PROFESSIONAL THAT IS, THAT IS GIVING US A PRESENTATION ON, UH, THIS ALMOST, UH, UM, UH, UH, UH, DECONSTRUCTION OR A RECONSTRUCTION OF CONCEPTS AND IDEAS THAT ARE MORE, MORE ABOUT THE MORAL PRESENCE OF AN OBJECT IN A GIVEN CONTEXT.
WHEN THE CHIN, WHEN THE JAPANESE WERE DEALING WITH, UH,
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UM, UM, UM, UH, HAVING TO CONTINUE THEIR TRADITIONS IN ARCHITECTURE IN A, IN A MODERN ENVIRONMENT WHERE LAND WAS, UH, NOT READILY AVAILABLE, UH, THEY BEGAN TO ABSTRACT THEIR ARCHITECTURE.SO THIS BECOMES THE POSTMODERNIST PERIOD.
THIS, THIS PRESENTATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US TODAY IS, IS SOMEWHAT LIKE THAT.
IT CHALLENGES THE, THE, THE ABILITY FOR ONE TO TAKE THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, UH, GUIDELINES AND TO CONVEY IN AN ARCHITECTURAL SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T JUST CREATE A, A FALSE HISTORICISM IN THIS.
IT, IT'S A VERY CAREFULLY CRAFTED ABSTRACTING OF A GIVEN HISTORIC THEORY.
AND, AND IN THAT, I I, I CAN SEE THAT THIS HAS BEEN MASTERFULLY, UH, EXECUTED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THE DRAWINGS IS IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG MASSING, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE LINE WEIGHTS, YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CARVED OUT AND THAT THE MASSING ISN'T REALLY WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE IN DRAWING FORM.
BUT YOU HAVE TO ALMOST BE A PERSON THAT'S DRAWN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN THESE DRAWINGS.
AND, AND, AND IT, IT ISN'T A QUESTION OF WHETHER IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD PASS OR FAIL.
FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S MORE WHEN WE CONSIDER NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A PARTICULAR CONTEXT, IT CHALLENGES THE GUIDELINES AND FORCES THE PERSON THAT'S INTERPRETING THE GUIDELINES TO SEE THE GUIDELINES IN THEIR LITERAL FORM OR IN A FORM THAT BEGINS TO BREAK DOWN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE ABSTRACT OR SIMPLIFY OR, OR MINIMALIZE THAT, UH, UM, THAT COMMUNICATION.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, I, I THINK IT, IT PRESENTS A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE TO THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE NON-PROFESSIONALS ON THIS COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHAT IS OUR MORAL COMPASS? IS IT THE FACT THAT, UH, SOMETHING IS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, GOT A TWO INCH, UH, SHADOW LINE, OR IS IT A MODERN WINDOW THAT BELONGS WHERE IT BELONGS? AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, WE IS PROPER IN A MUNICIPAL SETTING, MAKING, UH, DECISIONS AND DELIBERATING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PROFESSIONAL, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL HAS ANY AUTHORITY OVER THE NON-LICENSED PROFESSIONAL WITH, WITH RESPECT TO A GIVEN PRESENTATION.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, WHY ARE THEY LICENSED? RIGHT? UM, SO I, I JUST, UH, I'M TRYING TO, TO TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, A BREADTH OF SOME SPACE THAT WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS THING, THAT PERHAPS WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM IN THE CONTEXT OF A HISTORIC SETTING, THAT THE GUGGENHEIM WOULD'VE NEVER HAPPENED HAD IT BEEN A LITERAL INTERPRETATION.
AND THESE BUILDINGS ARE POTENTIALLY, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE, VERY IMPORTANT TO A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, PROVIDED THAT THAT, THAT THEY'RE SO, UH, PROFESSIONALLY EXECUTED, THAT ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THESE BUILDINGS AND BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO BE A CORINTHIAN COLUMNED VICTORIAN HOUSE.
UM, SO THAT OUR ROLE SHOULD BE EMPOWERMENT AS WELL AS IT AS IT IS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, FOR THE TIME.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, CAN I COMMENT ON MY MOTION? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UM, AND THE MOTION WAS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PROCESS, UM, HOW WE ARE IN THIS COMMISSION CURRENTLY ON THE PREVIEW OF THIS CASE AND WHAT WE ARE SET TO ASK FOR, UM, WITHOUT CHANGING ANY OF FUTURE THINGS OR CHALLENGING THE WORLD.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF MENTIONED THAT I ALSO THINK I AGREE WITH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A DRC MEETING WHERE SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS, I SEE THE DRC MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT BETWEEN DECEMBER AND NOW, AND, AND, AND I DO ALSO RESPECT THE ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIVING US A RUNDOWN ON EVERY SINGLE STIPULATION.
AND, BUT THIS IS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN TOBIN HILLS BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A NEWER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE REALLY ALSO LOOK AT IT AND REALLY IMPORTANTLY, HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BLOCK MORE THAN THE DISTRICT ITSELF.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE STIPULATIONS REALLY DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM.
I THINK SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS CAN BE WORKED ON AND COME BACK.
I AM STILL GIVING THE APPLICANT, I THINK WE'RE STILL GIVING THE APPLICANT THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW OR COME BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO TO VOTE.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, THIS IS JUST A LOT OF THE STIPULATIONS I THINK DO STAND AND, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE.
AND WHAT SAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MASSING OF THE ROOFING.
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THE ROOFING TYPE.SO THE MASSING OF THE ROOF, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD ROOF, THAT THIRD GABLE, THAT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING, IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE THERE, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, I UNDERSTAND THE WINDOWS THAT ON ONE SIDE, BUT WE DO HAVE SEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH SOLUTIONS OF PUTTING WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES.
ALSO, THE DETACHED GARAGE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT ONE BIG HOME, BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE FIND IN THIS DRUG DISTRICT IS MOST OF THE GARAGES ARE DETACHED IN THE BACK OR WHETHER WE MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S KIND OF DETACHED.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED ON THERE AS WELL.
UM, THE ROOF LINE AND THE ROOF HEIGHT, I THINK, UH, WE DO NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BEFORE DETERMINING IF THAT HEIGHT IS, UH, THE RIGHT, MAYBE WE'LL JUST A COUPLE FEET.
WE HAVE ALSO ASKED OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTIONS MAYBE TO ADJUST IT ON THE INTERIOR.
I DO AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONER FED AND SI THINK THAT'S NEEDS TO BE STUDIED MORE.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE OTHER, THE LOT COVERAGE, WE'VE, I THINK THE LOT COVERAGE, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY ALSO KEEPING WITH THAT 50%.
MOST LOTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DO NOT HAVE, I MEAN, MUCH LESS THAN 50, UM, JUST FROM THE AERIAL VIEW IS WHAT CAN BE SEEN.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS.
NOW, OUR PREVIEW IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROVING A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S CLOSE BY, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THIS JUST CASE BY ITSELF AND WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE, UM, AVAILABLE TO US.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SANTES.
YEAH, JUST TO KINDA IN SOME WAYS AGREE WITH MY TWO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COLUMNS, THE FOLK VICTORIAN, THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS REFERENCED AND, UH, AND WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES LOOK LIKE, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD DRAW INSPIRATION FROM.
ALRIGHT, AS BEAUTIFUL AS WHAT YOU'RE, YOU RENDERING, UH, THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
MY H MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT IN 2009 OVER THERE IN DISTRICT EIGHT, AND THIS HOUSE WOULDN'T FLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S SO MODERN LOOKING, RIGHT? SO AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS, AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS, ARE YOU DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE WHILE I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER THAT THE GUGGENHEIM WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BUILT IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS ON IT, UH, IS THIS SAYING TOO MUCH? AND AGAIN, THESE ARE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THESE JUST WHAT DOES THIS SAY AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE AND THEN WHAT DOES IT SAY AS IT FITS INTO THE REST OF THE, THE BLOCK? RIGHT? UM, AND AGAIN, YOU LOOK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN, YOU TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION, RIGHT? IT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S OPINION, WHAT'S WHAT MIGHT BE BEAUTIFUL TO ONE MAY NOT BE AS APPEALING TO SOMEONE ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, RHETORICALLY I WOULD ASK WHAT INSPIRATION AM I DRAWING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MY FELLOW HOUSES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO FELLOW HISTORICISM, RIGHT? THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT, BUT YOU DON'T ALSO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE THAT ONE HOUSE THAT JUST DRAWS ATTENTION, UH, FROM THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO ITSELF.
OKAY, SO THIS MOTION THAT WE HAD ON THE FLOOR WAS BASICALLY FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS, UM, ITEM PLEASE.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GRU'S MOTION.
RIGHT, SIR? COMMISSIONER GRU HAD A MOTION FOR DENIAL THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SABINO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY.
SO IT WAS, UM, THE MOTION FOR WAS FOR DENIAL.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE, GO BACK.
I I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
SO JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY DENIAL VERSUS APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ARE THEY KIND OF THE SAME THING? OR W WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT, WHAT DOES A CLIENT GET LEFT WITH OR THE CUSTOMER GET LEFT WITH? WELL, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL.
AND SO WE LIST THE RECOMMENDATION SO THAT THERE WOULD BE GUIDANCE THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION SO THAT THEY COULD INCORPORATE THAT GUIDANCE AND COME BACK WITH A REVISED REQUEST.
HEARING NO MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? UM, WELL, WELL MI MR. CHAIR, I, I, I'D LIKE TO, TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT, THAT A MOTION TO DENY, UH, CONS FOR CONCEPTUAL IS A VERY, UH, DANGEROUS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR THIS COMMISSION, UM, MOTION.
UH, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT SETS AN, AN IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD, UH, BUILDINGS LIKE THESE, IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, JUST SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THE HEIGHT AS ONE ELEMENT THAT, THAT IN, IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AT THIS SITUATION,
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AT THIS BUILDING, UH, HEIGHT.I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE COULD DEAL WITH AT THE DRAWING TABLE, BUT THEN WE BEGIN, YOU KNOW, ASKING A PERSON TO MOVE THEIR NOSE, TO ASK 'EM TO DROP THEIR EYE, TO MAKE ONE ARM SHORTER THAN THE OTHER.
AND AT SOME POINT, IT, IT IS, IT IS ASKING TOO MUCH.
THERE, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS, AS, AS ARCHITECTURAL GENIUS ARRIVING READY TO GO.
AND, AND, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN THAT OCCURS.
OR WE ARE GOING TO BE GUILTY OF NOT ENABLING GOOD ARCHITECTURE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT THROUGH OUR, UH, UH, DAAS EDITING, CREATING REALLY THE BAD ANOMALIES THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OF OUT THERE THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
BECAUSE THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT GET HERE THAT ARE PERFECT, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE HERE, THEY'RE IMPERFECT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A COMPETITION THAT WALTER GRPA GOT INTO, I THINK IT WAS FOR THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE BUILDING, AND ALL THE ARCHITECTS GOT INTO THIS, UH, COMPETITION.
AND THIS WAS THE BREAKING LINE BETWEEN MODERNISM AND, AND WHAT IS NOT MODERN.
AND TODAY, BOTH, BOTH ARE, WOULD BE UNDER OUR PURVIEW AND HERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND THAT'S WITH THAT SAME CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN APPROVE TODAY THAT WILL BE PRESERVED TOMORROW.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A FALSE, UH, UH, HISTORICISM OR SOMETHING THAT IS JUST A KIND OF AN ECHO OF THE PAST, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO ARGUE THAT THAT HAS ANY VALUE BEYOND THOSE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY WILL ALWAYS BE THE LESSER OF THE 1926 OR THE 1890S.
THIS, THIS, THIS IS A, A, A A A MOTION THAT, THAT, THAT I BELIEVE ARE THE TYPE OF MOTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BE ON.
UH, NOTICE ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT BEING ENABLERS OF GOOD ARCHITECTURE, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING, UM, ARCHITECTURE, UH, FROM THE FATHER AND MOTHER OF THE DESIGN ITSELF.
I WILL, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
VELASQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE GROUP.
THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE TODAY.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME.