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          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. IF YOU CAN PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS, WE'LL GET STARTED. THE TIME IS 2:10 P.M. ON THE 26TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2025. WE'LL CALL OUR B SESSION TO ORDER. 
          MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLL? >> CLERK: 
          MAYOR, WE HAVE QUORUM. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. 
          WELCOME, EVERYONE. TODAY IS AN UPDATE, A BRIEFING AND UPDATE ON THE POTENTIAL SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND PROPOSED MOU, AND SO TO GET US STARTED, I'LL TURN US OVER TO CITY MANAGER ERIK WALSH. 
          >> WALSH: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS MAYOR MENTIONED, TODAY'S B SESSION WILL COVER THREE AREAS, AN UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. SECONDLY, A BRIEFING ON A PROPOSED NONBINDING M OMOU BETWEEN THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS, AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL OUTLINE NEXT STEPS BEYOND THIS MEETING. 
          LORI'S GOING TO START US OFF TO OUTLINE, AGAIN, THE AREA WE'RE FOCUSED ON AND THE AN CORE PROJECTS, THE PUBLIC SPACES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. WE'LL TRANSITION TO BEN, WHO WILL BEGIN TO SHARE THE RESULTS OF SOME OF OUR PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE THAT WILL INCLUDE RANGES IN COST PROJECTIONS FOR SOME OF OUR AN  ANCHOR PROJECTS AND AND R AN OUTLINE OF OUR HIGH-LEVEL FUNDING FRAMEWORK FOR THE EARLY PHASES OF THE DISTRICT. WE'LL ALSO UPDATED AND OUTLINE THE FINANCE ZONE PROGRAM. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ON THIS VITAL TOOL THAT WE HAVE, AND THE NOTION THAT THE CITY CAN JUST ISSUE DEBT AND BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY IT IS NOT ACCURATE OR PRACTICAL. WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          ANDY'S GOING TO BAT CLEANUP AND COVER THE COMPONENTS OF THE MOU, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY ON THE ISSUE. 
          TOMORROW ON THE AGENDA IS AN ITEM ON OUR A SESSION AGENDA THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE STAFF, OR ME, BASED ON TODAY'S INPUT FROM ALL OF YOU AS CITY COUNCIL, TO NEGOTIATE AND FINALIZE THE MOU. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT -- JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE COUNTY DID CONSIDER THIS MOU AND APPROVED IT YESTERDAY. THE MOU IS A NONBINDING HIGH-LEVEL DOCUMENT, AND IT COMMUNICATES THE WILLINGNESS OF THE PARTIES TO ENGAGE, COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER ON A PROPOSED SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, A NEW DOWNTOWN MBA ARENA, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA AROUND THE FROST BANK CENTER, TO INCLUDE POTENTIALLY A PORTION OR ALL OF WILLOW SPRINGS. . 
          AND THAT EFFORT IS DIRECTLY TIED BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER ABOUT PURSUING AN MOU BEFORE LAUNCHING OFF INTO ANY SORT OF DETAILED WORK. IT'S NONBINDING, IT IS ALL SUBJECT TO FURTHER COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND TODAY IS OUR THIRD BRIEFING OVERALL ON THIS PROJECT. AND DESPITE A LOT OF THE SPECULATION, THERE IS NO NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT OR SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY DETAILS, AND AND WHAT THE MOU REALLY SIGNIFIES IS WE'LL BEGIN TO ENGAGE IN THAT IF AF APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND DEVELOP A PLAN AND A DETAILED TERM SHEET. THAT DETAILED TERM SHEET WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR NUMEROUS UPDATES AND ULTIMATELY APPROVAL, BUT -- BUT THAT IS -- THAT IS MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN WHERE WE'RE AT TO DAY. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION, I'LL KIND OF OUTLINE, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE SEE ON THIS PROJECT. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO START -- I'M GOING TO 
          KICK IT OVER TO LORI TO SET OUR FRAMEWORK. >> HOUSTON: GOOD AFTERNOON. SO AS ERIK MENTIONED, I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT PROJECT MARVEL IS, WHICH IS REALLY A NAME THAT WE'RE 
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REFERRING TO AS OUR SAN ANTONIO SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. 
          THIS PROJECT HAS SEVERAL PROJECTS WITHIN IT AND IT HAS NUMEROUS LAYERS. 
          SO THE FIRST LAYER IS REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC SPACE AND HAVING PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE KNOW FROM HEMISFAIR AND WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED THERE, THAT YANAGUANA GARDEN THAT OPENED IN 2015, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR 12 AND BELOW, AND THEN CIVIC PARK PHASE 1 OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 2023 AND PHASE 2 IS GOING TO BE OPENING THIS MARCH RIGHT BEFORE FINAL FOUR. FZ   AND THEN WE HAVE THE TOWER PARK, THE THIRD PLAN IN THE HEMISFAIR MASTER PLAN, AND THAT'S REALLY TO BE FOCUSED MORE ON OUR SENIORS AND HAVING MORE PASSIVE EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU CAN SIT, MAYBE SOME EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, BUT HEMISFAIR IS REALLY ABOUT THE PREK TO GRAY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT VISION. 
          NOW, THERE'S TWO NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS PLAN THROUGH THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, ONE IS THE RIVERWALK, AND SO HOW DO WE REIMAGINE THE RIVERWALK SPACE THAT COMES UP TO HEMISFAIR? CURRENTLY, IT GOES THROUGH THAT CONVENTION CENTER AREA, AND THEN IT POPS UP RIGHT NEAR UNUM AND THE INCIDENCE TEULT DEMEXICO, IT'S KIND OF UNDERWHELMING, AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THAT SPACE. AND FINALLY THE EAST SIDE CONNECTOR, WHICH WE'RE REFERRING TO AS THE LAND BRIDGE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN RECORRECT THE NEAR EAST SIDE TO DOWNTOWN. 
          SWEEWE RECEIVED A PLANNING GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ABOUT 2.9 MILLION. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT PLANNING. 
          AND THEY'LL LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND SO WE HOPE TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL WITH A CONSULTANT RECOMMENDATION IN THE SPRING. 
          NOW, THERE'S A SECOND LAYER TO THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, AND THAT'S THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES. SO WE HAVE THE HENRY B. 
          GONZALEZ CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, WE'RE EXPANDING THAT UP TO 700,000 SQUARE FEET. THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THE CONVENTION CENTER A TWO-EVENT CENTER CONVENTION CENTER, SO HAVE TWO LARGE EVENT TION S GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. WITH THAT, WE WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL THOUSAND ROOMS OF CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL SPACE, AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLACE THAT ON THE SAUCE CHILLER PLANT AND YOU'LL SEE THE UTSA SCHOOL OF HOSPITALITY IS ALSO PROPOSED TO BE IN THAT PLOJT. THAT PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REIMAGINE THE ALAMODOME AND DO THAT IN A PHASE GAME, WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO HOST UTSA AND LARGE CONCERTS AND LARGE EVENTS, LIKE FINAL FOUR, POTENTIALLY FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS AND SOCCER TOURNAMENTS. 
          THEN WE HAVE THE ARENA. AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ARENA, THE SPURS ARE ALL ABOUT THE FAN EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHY THEY LIKE THIS LOCATION. THE FAN EXPERIENCE STARTS IN YOUR CAR WHEN YOU'RE EXOMCOMING TO THE GAME AND IT ENDS WHEN YOU LEAVE THE GAME. 
          MAKING SURE THAT EXPERIENCE IS SOLID. THAT'S WHY HEMISFAIR IS GREAT, YOU CAN WALK THROUGH HEMISFAIR, FEEL THE ENERGY AND THEN GO SEE THE GAME. THAT E EAR LOOKING ABOUT 18,000, 20,000 SEATS. 
          THE EVENT VENUE IS A FOUR TO 6,000 SEAT VENUE, THIS WILL FIT NICELY WITH THE OTHER VENUES WE HAVE IN THE AREA. WE HAVE THE ALAMODOME, THAT'S 65,000 SEATS. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE ARENA, WHICH IS 18 TO 20,000 SEATS, THE EVENT VENUE, WHICH IS FOUR TO 6, 6,000 SEATS. 
          YOU HAVE LILA CROCKRELL THEATER, WHICH IS AROUND 2200 SEATS, AND POTENTIALLY WITH THE LAND BRIDGE, YOU COULD DO ANOTHER LARGE CONCERT VENUE AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR EVERY TYPE OF CONCERT OF EVERY SIZE IN THIS AREA. THEN I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT WITHIN THIS AREA, IT'S SURROUNDED BY OUR STRONG HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND SO I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN THIS AREA TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PROJECT. 
          WE WILL BE SHARING -- ONCE WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY DETAILS AND CAN SHARE SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT TO HOPEFULLY SERVE AS A SOUNDING BOARD TO US, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING NEED TO DO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS TO FIX TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AND FIX OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE KNOW THAT TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE KEY TO THIS. 
          AND BEN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE THE MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THERE'S 60 ACRES OF MIXED-USE OPPORTUNITIES. THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM HOUSING, IT COULD BE SMALLER HOTELS, IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, IF THE MARKET SUPPORTS THAT, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF 
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RETAIL. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN HEMISFAIR ALREADY, LIKE DO, POLECTERIA, OTHER TYPES OF RESTAURANTS, OTHER TYPES OF KID-FRIENDLY OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WITH A SPORTS EDGE AS WELL. NOW, I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO BEN GORZELL, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO GO THROUGH THE 
          FINANCING AND SOME OF THE PFC ITEMS. >> GORZELL: THANK YOU, LORI. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. 
          I THINK LORI DID A GREAT JOB OF DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. AND REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DESCRIPTION, YOU SEE THE SCALE AND COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          AND SO PART OF THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANY ONE OF THOSE ANCHOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE, IF WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO ONE OF THOSE, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT. WE'RE GOING TRY TO DO SEVERAL AT THE SAME TIME, SO THIS IS GOING TO BECOME MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, MUCH MORE COMPLEX AS WE TRY TO GET THE EARLY PHASES OF THIS DISTRICT PUT IN PLACE. THE OTHER THING I'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS KIND OF THE INTERDEPENDENCY OR INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE ANCHOR PROJECTS. IN THE NEAR TERM, WE'VE ONLY GOT SO MUCH FUNDING TO WORK WITH, SO DEPENDING UPON HOW FAST WE DO THINGS, THE SCOPE OF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, THEY'LL IMPACT OTHER PROJECTS AND OUR ABILITY TO GET THOSE DONE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          I'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. 
          I'M GOING TOE SHARE WITH YOU TODAY SOME OF OUR PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE, AND THAT WAS REALLY CRITICAL FOR US TO DO. 
          ERIK TALKED ABOUT THE MOU WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, AND TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS -- AUDIO] -- AR AND TO DEVELOP DETAILED TERM SHEETS THAT SUPPORT MANY OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE WANT TO GET DONE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          BUT GETTING THAT PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE DONE WAS KEY, BECAUSE IT LAYS THE FOUNDATION FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AS WE MOVE FORWARD, HOW WE NEGOTIATE, AND THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ON WHICH ANCHOR PROJECTS WE MOVE AND SOME OF THE SCOPE OF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          SO ON THIS SLIDE, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE LOOK AT THIS DISTRICT, BOTH FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO AS WE THINK ABOUT NEGOTIATING THE BUSINESS AGREEMENT, DEFINITIVE AGREEMENT, ALL THAT'S GOT TO TIE TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE DAY. CERTAINLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OF THIS SCALE AND SOMETHING THIS COMPLEX, WE HAVE GOT TO APPROPRIATELY MANAGE OUR RISK AS AN ORGANIZATION. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT CREDIT ANALYSIS, AND I REALLY MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CREDIT OF THE TRANSACTIONS AND THE DEALS THAT WE'LL PUT TOGETHER. WE WANT TO GET THOSE TO A LEVEL THAT -- WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD? -- HAS A GOOD QUALITY TO IT FROM A CREDIT PERSPECTIVE. BECAUSE THAT MEANS IT'S GOT A LOWER COST OF BORROWING, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY USE MORE OF OUR DOLLARS TO DRIVE -- TO FUND PROJECTS. ON THAT OTHER SIDE OF THAT CREDIT EQUATION IS THAT AS AN ORGANIZATION, AS A CITY, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND RATING OF ANY TOP CITY -- TOP 10 CITY IN THE COUNTRY. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE DO THIS. PART OF THAT IS MANAGING THE RISK, BUT WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE OUR STRONG BOND RATING ON THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND SIDE AS WELL. 
          THIS NEXT ONE TALKS ABOUT STATUTORILY AUTHORIZED OR PERMITTED USE OF REVENUES. I'M GOING TO GO OVER IN A SECOND A TABLE THAT'S GLOING TO OUTLINE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES. 
          IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD TAKE ALL THOSE REVENUE SOURCES AND DROP THEM INTO ONE BUCKET AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO FUND THIS, BUT IT'S NOT -- IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.  WE'VE GOT REVENUE STREAMS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK AROUND THOSE AND WORK WITH THOSE TO DEVELOP A FUNDING FRAMEWORK. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A KEY PIECE OF THIS, THAT ALSO DRIVES UP THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER. 
          WE'LL HAVE A COMBINATION OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC FUNDING SOURCES. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE FROM LAST FALL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PUBLIC FUNDS TO EVEN DO ALL OF THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE DISTRICT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS TO HELP US GET THIS DONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THOSE PARTNERS TO DEVELOP AND THAT FUNDING FRAMEWORK WILL EVOLVE, BUT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THOSE PRIVATE PARTNERS TO BRING FUNDING TO THE TABLE AS WELL. TIMING AND SEQUENCING OF PROPOSED PROJECTS, THERE'S A SEQUENCING PIECE THAT TIES INTO THE EXECUTION OF THE PROJECTS, RIGHT? THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO GET DONE AND ENABLE OTHER PROJECTS TO GET DONE. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 
          WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT SEQUENCED OUT APPROPRIATELY. THE OTHER THING THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS TIMING, SO AS WE LOOK AT ANCHOR PROJECTS, IF WE ACCELERATE AND MOVE THEM 
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UP, THAT EATS UP OUR FINANCIAL CAPACITY FASTER. 
          IF WE SLIDE THEM BARKS WE BACK, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FINANCIAL CAPACITY. WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS FUNDING FRAMEWORK. COST ESCALATION AND INFLATION. CERTAINLY SINCE POSTCOVID, WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN INFLATION, SUPPLY CHAIN IMPACTS AND COST ESKA LA ESCALATION ON PROJECTS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY MONITOR THAT AS WE GO FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY, IT IS A MULTI-YEAR PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THIS, AND WE GEARING TO HAVE TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE'RE COGNIZANT AND MONITOR WHAT THOSE INFLATIONARY IMPACTS LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD. 
          THERE WILL BE A MIX OF TAX EXEMPT AND TAXABLE DEBT. 
          AS WE PUT THESE DEALS TOGETHER, AND THERE ARE PRIVATE USES IN THE DISTRICT FROM AN IRS PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE SOME OF THIS TO BE TAXABLE DEBT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT, WE WANT TO ISSUE MORE TAX-EXEMPT DEBT BECAUSE THAT'S LOWER COST IN BOW BORROWING. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO BE FOCUSED ON AS WE PUT THIS FUNDING FRAMEWORK TOGETHER. SO LET ME KIND OF GO THROUGH OUR PROPOSED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE EARLY PHASES OF THE DISTRICT PROJECTS. 
          LET ME KIND OF ORIENT EVERYBODY TO THIS TABLE. ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE IN MORE DETAIL ON SUBSEQUENT SLIDES, BUT JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL, THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, WE'VE GOT A COST RANGE BETWEEN $700,000,900,000,000. 
          THE ALAMODOME REVISED PROJECT  I'LL DESCRIBE IN A SECOND WHAT THAT REVISED PROJECT IS, BUT COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THE 'DOME IN THE NEXT, SAY, 10 YEARS. 
          YOU SEE THE LAND BRIDGE INFRASTWRAWKURE AND THE ACQUISITION OF THE ITC AND GSA, THOSE ARE THE FEDERAL PROPERTIES THAT LORI MENTIONED, THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE ALL IN DEVELOPMENT. LET ME GO ACROSS THE TOP AND TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE COULD USE TO FUND THESE PROJECTS. 
          THE CITY'S 9% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. THIS IS OUR CURRENT TAX, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY. IT FUNDS VISIT SAN ANTONIO, IT HELPS FUND OPERATIONS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE ALAMODOME, IT PROVIDES FUNDING FOR ARTS AND CULTURAL PROGRAMS AND PROVIDES FUNDING FOR HISTORY AND PRESERVATION. 
          IT ALSO COVERS THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE CONVENTION CENTER TODAY, SO THAT COMES OUT OF THAT POT. AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT SOURCE TO FUND A NUMBER OF THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THE PFZ ARE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE, THIS WAS STATUTORILY ENABLED DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. IT ALLOWED US TO CREATE A THREE-MILE ZONE AROUND A QUALIFYING PROJECT, IN OUR CASE WE'VE DESIGNATED THE 'DOME AND THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO CAPTURE THE INCREMENTAL GROWTH AND THE STATE'S HOTEL ASSOCIATED REVENUE OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD. 
          NOW, THESE ARE STATE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE, AND THEN USE THEM ON THESE QUALIFYING PROJECTS. AND I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES THAT WE'LL GO INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THE TIRZ, OR THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, AGAIN, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL, ALLOWS YOU TO CAPTURE THE INCREMENTAL GROWTH IN PROPERTY TAXES WITHIN A ZONE FOR PARTICIPATING TAXING ENTITIES. 
          THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN TAXES, IT MERELY ALLOWED THE ZONE TO CAPTURE THE TAXES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PAID TO THOSE PARTICIPATING ENTITIES, AND THEN REINVEST THOSE IN REDEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE ZONE. THE TIRZ THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE BOTH THE HEMISFAIR TERMS AND THE MIDTOWN TIRZ. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT PRIVATE SOURCES OF FUNDING. 
          THOSE PRIVATE SOURCES OF FUNDING INCLUDE THINGS LIKE EQUITY INVESTMENTS, MAYBE -- CAN USE TO LEVERAGE OR PUT INTO FUNDING SOME OF THESE ANCHOR PROJECTS. 
          NEXT WE'VE GOT A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS TOWARD THE ARENA PROJECT. THE NEXT ONE IS THE COUNTY VENUE TAX. 
          THAT VENUE TAX IS BASICALLY COMPRISED OF TWO PIECES. 
          IT'S A 1.75% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND A 5% CAR RENTAL TAX. 
          THERE IS SOME CAPACITY LEFT UNDER STATE LAW THAT YOU COULD INCREASE THAT 1.75% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TO 2%. SO BASICALLY A .25% IS LEFT THERE, THAT COULD BE ALLOCATED AS WELL, BUT THAT WOULD CH REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL. CITY CAPITAL, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE 
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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DISTRICT, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PARKING NEEDS OR SOME PARKING GARAGES THAT WILL NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THIS. WE COULD USE THE PARKING REVENUES TO CONSTRUCT THOSE GARAGES. AND SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE DISTRICT. THE LAST COLUMN IS FEDERAL AND STATE, AND THAT COULD INCLUDE GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DISTRICT, IT COULD ALSO INCLUDE DIRECT INVESTMENT BY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATE. SO IF TXDOT IS MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FREEWAYS, THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH THE -- MOVING VEHICLES IN AND OUT OF THE DISTRICT, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONTRIBUTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE INTERDEPENDENCY OR INTERPLAY AMONG SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, I'LL START ON THE FAR LEFT. WE'D LOVE TO GET THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION FUNDED OUT OF OUR 9% HOT AND NOT HAVE TO USE THE PFZ OR THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT AND WE START TO USE THE PUBLIC FINANCE ZONE, THEN THAT MEANS LESS DOLLARS AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY FOR THE ARENA, AND VICE VERSA. SO AS THE SCOPE OF THESE PROJECTS MOVE AND CHANGE, THEY'RE GOING TO IMPACT OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE NEAR TERM OR WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON AS WE PUT THIS FUNDING FRAMEWORK TOGETHER, BUT THAT IS HOW THESE THINGS WILL INTERPLAY. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT ON THE ARENA, YOU SEE THE PFZ WITH THE CHECKMARK THERE. WE BELIEVE THAT CURRENT STATUTE ALLOWS THE NBA ARENA, OR NBA ARENA TO BE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE STATE TO, ONE, CONFIRM OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          AND, TWO, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS WE WOULD GO THROUGH TO AMEND OUR ZONE TO INCLUDE THAT AS ACT. WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THE STATE YET, SO WE'RE AWAITING CONFIRMATION ON THOSE TWO PIECES, BUT, AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT IS ELIGIBLE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION ON THE PFZ IS THAT YOU ALL CREATED THE ZONE IN DECEMBER OF 2023. THAT SET CALENDAR YEAR 2023 AS THE BASE YEAR. 
          2024, CALENDAR YEAR 2024 IS THE FIRST YEAR WHERE WE GET TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE INCREMENTAL GROWTH IN THE STATE HOTEL ASSOCIATED REVENUES AND TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT ZONE WOULD GENERATE, AT LEAST IN THE FIRST YEAR. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA FROM THE STATE YET. WE THINK WE'RE PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO AWAY FROM GETTING THAT. BUT WHAT THE FINANCE TEAM DID, WAS THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE HOTELS THAT ARE WITHIN THE ZONE, WE OBVIOUSLY CONNECT HOT TAXES, OUR 9% HOT, THEY USED THAT DATA TO AT LEAST CALCULATE THE STATE'S HOT IR INCREMENTAL GROWTH. 
          WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH VISIBILITY ARE THE OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE TIED IN FROM THE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE IN THE HOTELS, BUT WE'RE USING A LITTLE BIT OF RATIO ANALYSIS TO COME UP WITH PROJECTIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL DATA FROM THE STATE. SO NOW I'M GOING TO KIND OF MOVE IN AND TALK ABOUT EACH OF THE PROJECTS INDIVIDUALLY AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME HERE. I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE I START. ONE, YOU SEE THE CORNER OF THE SLIDE SAYS IN BIG RED LETTERS "PRELIMINARY."  AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, THERE IS A NOTE THERE THAT SAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON FINALIZATION OF FEASIBILITY STUDIES, OTHER COST IMPACTS SUCH AS INFLATION, AVAILABLE RESOURCES, NEGOTIATION WITH PRIVATE PARTNERS, FINANCIAL CAPACITY ANALYSIS AND FUNDING OF OTHER ANCHOR PROJECTS. 
          ALL THAT TO SAY IS THAT, AGAIN, AS WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, THEY -- THE PROJECTS IMPACT EACH OTHER, AND WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY DOLLARS TO WORK WITH IN THE NEAR TERM. SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WE PUT THE FRAMEWORK TOGETHER. AND THAT SOME WILL GET DONE SOONER, SOME WILL GET DONE LATER, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN AND PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ON EVERY SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. AND WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ADJUST AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION. WITH REGARD TO THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION ITSELF, YOU ALL WERE BRIEFED IN DECEMBER BY OUR CONSULTANTS, POPULUS AND CSL ABOUT A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS ON THE CONVENTION CENTER. DURING THAT BRIEFING, THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL THE WORK BEING DONE IN DALLAS, DALLAS' PROJECT, 2 BILLION, AUSTIN AT ROUGHLY 1.6 MILLION, NEW ORLEANS, 1.7 MILLION, ALL THE CITIES WE COMPETE AGAINST FOR CONVENTIONS ALL MAKING BIG INVESTMENTS IN THEIR CONVENTION CENTERS. WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO 
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EXPAND IN TERMS OF CONTIGUOUS MEETING SPACE, HALLS. 
          THE PRESENTATION ON DECEMBER 4TH FOCUSED ON ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF EXHIBIT HALL SPACE, SOME ADDITIONAL MEETING ROOMS AND BALLROOMS. POST THAT BRIEFING, WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM VISIT SAN ANTONIO AND OTHERS, THAT MAYBE THAT WASN'T QUITE HITTING THE MARK WE WERE LOOKING FOR IN ORDER TO POSITION US TO, ONE, EITHER MAINTAIN OUR COMPETITIVE POSITION, OR ENHANCE IT. SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING WOREMORE WORK WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDERS AND LOOKING AT MORE -- INSTEAD OF 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF EXHIBIT HALL SPACE, MAYBE IT'S 200,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE'VE GOT TO WORK TO FINALIZE THAT. 
          THERE'S SOME RIGHT SIZING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE, AND PART OF WHAT WILL COME INTO PLAY IS A LITTLE BIT OF AFFORDABILITY. 
          I MENTIONED THE -- HOW THESE PROJECTS GET FUND AND HOW THEY IMPACT OTHER THINGS. THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE WILL START TO FACTOR IN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. WE'LL RIGHT SIZE THAT AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK THE FINAL FEASIBILITY STUDY IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE EXPANSION. THIS ONE IN TERMS OF A TIMELINE IS NEAR TERM, WE'D LOVE TO BE UNDER DESIGN IN 2026, IT WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY 2028. PROJECTED COST AGAIN BETWEEN 700 MILLION AND $900 MILLION. I MENTIONED THE FUNDING SOURCE IS THE 9% HOT PRIMARILY. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS ONE FUNDED JUST OUT OF THAT REVENUE STREAM AND NOT HAVE TO USE THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. 
          YOU ALL DID APPROVE AUTHORIZING US TO USE SOME CASH TO DEFEE SOME OF OUR EXISTING DEBT AND TO REFINANCE SOME OF OUR EXISTING DEBT. 
          INTEREST RATES ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN USE THAT CASH AND REALLY DEFEE SOME OF OUR DEBT AND HOPE UP SOME CAPACITY ON THE FRONT END TO HELP US TRY TO FUND THIS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AS INTEREST RATES FALL, OR IF THEY DO FALL, THEN WE CAN GO IN AND DO A REFINANCING OF SOME DEBT ON THE BACK END THAT WILL ALSO OPEN UP SOME CAPACITY. 
          WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON BOTH OF THOSE. YOU GAVE US AUTHORITY TO DO IT. WE'RE JUST DOING THE ANALYSIS TO FIGURE OUT EXPEXACTLY HOW WE WANT DO THAT AND HOW IT CONNECTS WITH THE OTHER PIECES. ON THE ARENA, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN NBA ARENA FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS IN THE DISTRICT ON THE ITC SITE. WE'VE GOT A RANGE HERE OF 1.2 TO $1.5 BILLION. 
          THE TARGET IS TO GET THIS DONE IN THE NEAR TERM, TO GET THE MOU EXECUTED WITH THE SPURS AND THE COUNTY, AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE WOULD SPEND THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS DEVELOPING THE FUNDING FRAMEWORK FOR THIS ARENA. 
          THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A VENUE TAX ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR AND THE PROPOSED FUNDING SOURCES INCLUDE THAT VENUE TAX, A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE SPURS, I MENTIONED THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE OR THE PFZ, THE HEMISFAIR PARK TIRZ, BUT THAT WOULD BE PREDICATED ON NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING INTO THAT TIRZ THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT ON AS WE LOOK TO FUND THIS. AND THEN I'VE GOT TEAM REVENUES LISTED THERE, WHICH WE WOULD NEED TO -- OR WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE WHAT THE LEASE LOOKS LIKE FOR THE BUILDING, MAYBE TICKET FEES. THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH THE FUNDING FRAMEWORK FOR THE ARENA ITSELF. GOING OVER TO TO ALAMODOME, I MENTIONED ON THE TABLE WE'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF A REVISED PROJECT. THE INITIAL PROJECT WAS A MAJOR TRANSFORMATION OF THE ALAMODOME. IT WAS HOW DO WE TRANSFORM THE ALAMODOME SO THEY CAN COMPETE WITH THESE NEWER FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT MEET SOME OF THE NCAA'S NEW REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT A FINAL FOUR MIGHT LOOK LIKE, A COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF. OUR CONSULTANTS LOOKED AT THAT, WE DID SOME FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS AROUND THAT. EVERY SCENARIO WE LOOKED AT TO TRY TO HIT THAT MARK WAS OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND SO WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER IN THE SPACE OF 700 TO 900 MILLION, DOING THE 'DOME IN THE NEAR TERM AT SOMETHING OVER A BILLION ISN'T FEASIBLE. SO WHAT WE PIVOTED TO, AND WHAT WE THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IN THE NEAR TERM IS THIS REVISED PROPOSED PROJECT, AND THAT IS LET'S MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THE CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS TO SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS OF THE ALAMODOME, LET'S SAY, OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, MAYBE THROUGH 2035, AND THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT SOME CREATIVE CAPITAL WITH SOME RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO THE 'DOME, CONCESSIONS, OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WOULD HAVE AN  ROI, THAT WOULD HAVE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO THE 'DOME AND WOULD HELP FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'RE EXPLORING THERE, BUT WE THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS. I WILL SAY THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT FLUID. 
          WE WANT TO DO MORE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO IN THIS SPACE, AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER TO DO IN THE IMMEDIATE NEAR TERM. 
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IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T WANT TO GET THERE AND GET IT DONE, IT JUST MEANS WE PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. WE ALSO WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND STRATEGIC ABOUT THAT CREATIVE CAPITAL. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T END UP WITH STRANDED INVESTMENTS IN THE BUILDING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BUILDING TOWARDS THAT LARGER TRANSFORMATION IN THE FUTURE. THE PROJECTED COST HAS PROJECTIONS IN DEVELOPMENT. I MENTIONED THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TARGETING IS A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROBABLY THROUGH 2035. WE HAD ASSESSMENTS DONE ON THE 'DOME PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. WE WANT TO REFRESH THOSE, SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS PROJECTIONS IN DEVELOPMENT. WE JUST WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING, ALL THE MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS, AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. AND THEN, TWO, AS WE'RE DOING THAT, TO LOOK FOR THOSE CREATIVE CAPITAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT IF WE HAVE FUNDING, WE CAN THEN GO DEPLOY THAT. THE PROPOSED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THIS REVISED PROJECT IN THE NEAR TERM WOULD BE THE CITY'S 9% HOT, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT SOME PRIVATE EQUITY NAMING RIGHTS. IF WE HAVE A 10-YEAR KIND OF WINDOW HERE OR P.M. 10-YEAR WINDOW HERE, -- APPROXIMATE 10-YEAR WINDOW HERE, WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING SOME PRIVATE FUNDING IN AS WELL WHILE WE MOVE TOWARD THE MORE SIGNIFICANT PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THERE WITH THOSE SOURCES, THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WOULD BE THE PFZ OR THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. 
          MOVING OVER TO THE WOOD COURTHOUSE, SO THIS WOULD BE A CONVERSION OF THE EXISTING WOOD FEDERAL COURTHOUSE TO AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE WITH APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SEATS, FOCUSED ON SMALLER, MIDSIZE ROTATING CONCERTS AND COMMUNITY-FOCUSED EVENTS. 
          WE THINK THE COST RANGE HERE IS 100 TO 150 MILLION. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS DONE IN THE NEAR TERM. WE ALREADY OWN THIS BUILDING. IT'S VACANT. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. PART OF WHAT WE'D KNE NEED TO DO IS ISSUE AN RFP OR AN RFQ TO HAVE A PRIVATE OPERATOR COME IN ON THAT BUILDING. 
          WE WANT TO USE AS LITTLE PUBLIC FUNDING ON THIS ONE AS WE CAN, SO WE WANT TO LOOK ATTACKS CREDITS, PRIVATE EQUITY, NAMING RIGHTS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE OTHER PRIVATE/PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, AND IF THERE IS A GAP, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE CITY'S 9% HOT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK TOWARDS TO MAKE UP THAT GAP. SO, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS LOOK LIKE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS, THAT WILL IMPACT THE TIMING ON THIS PROJECT. THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT AN UP TO 1,000 HOTEL ROOMS, BALLROOM AND MEETING SPACE, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, RETAIL. 
          ALSO IT WOULD INCLUDE THE UTSA SCHOOL OF HOSPITALITY. 
          WE THINK THAT PROJECTED COST IS 750 MILLION PLUS. 
          THE TIMELINE IS DEPENDENT ON THE CHILL WATER PLANT RELOCATION. 
          LORI MENTIONED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE LOCATION FOR THIS HOTEL. 
          WE ARE WORKING WITH SAUCE SAWS ON THAT, SO THE TIMING  WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT RELOCATION OF THAT PLANT. WE SEE A BROAD NUMBER, 750 MILLION PLUS. TO REALLY GET INTO THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE ISSUE AN RFQ AND AN RFP AND WE'VE SELECTED A HOTEL BRAND. THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD START TO DEFINE PROJECT COST REQUIREMENTS AND HOW YOU FUND IT. THE GOAL WOULD BE TO FUND AS MUCH OF IT OUT OF HOTEL OPERATIONS AS WE COULD. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT 750 MILLION PLUS, WE THINK THERE LIKELY WOULD BE A GAP THERE, BUT, AGAIN, AT WHAT LEVEL, UNTIL WE GET SOMEBODY THERE, A PARTNERTIA WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND  NEGOTIATE WITH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT GAP WOULD EXACTLY BE. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IF THERE IS A GAP, IT MAY NEED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC INCENTIVE. WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LAND BRIDGE, SO THIS WOULD BE CAPPING IH-37 FROM APPROXIMATELY MARKET STREET TO CESAR CHAVEZ. IT WOULD BE A LARGE DECK PARK. 
          IT WOULD BE REALLY AN EXCITING ELEMENT TO THIS PARK -- TO THIS DISTRICT, AN ICONIC PIECE, A LARGE DECK PARK. THERE'S SOME COMPLEXITY HERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING OVER THE FREEWAY. ITS CONNECTIVITY WOULD BE INTO THE CONCOURSE LEVEL OF THE 'DOME AND THEN TON THE EAST SIDE AND ON THE WEST SIDE, IT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE POTENTIAL NBA ARENA OR THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE HOUSED NEXT TO THE ARENA. 
          THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. WE DO HAVE A PLANNING GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, A $2.5 MILLION, BUT THAT TIMELINE'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BASED ON AVAILABLE FUNDING. 
          WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO TRY TO SECURE A LOT OF FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DECK PARK HAPPEN. THAT WOULD LIKELY BE A LOCAL MATCH ON THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. THAT LOCAL MATCH WOULD 
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MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE TO COME FROM A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ISSUE TO SUPPORT THAT FUN -- FUNDING OF THAT PROJECT. DISTRICT INFRASTRUCTURE ASSUMPTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE DECK PARK, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE ANCHOR PROJECTS WITHIN THIS DISTRICT AND TO SUPPORT THE DISTRICT OVERALL. 
          EVERYTHING FROM TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, PARKING, PARKS, ROAD IMPROVEMENT MS, UTILITIES, ALL OF THAT WORK IS ONGOING TO DEFINE THOSE. YOU ALSO SEE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS LISTED THERE AS WELL. LORI TALKED ABOUT THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WE WOULD NEED TO PUT SOME DOLLARS INTO MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. THE PROJECTIONS ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE OF A POTENTIAL GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, AND WE'RE EXPLORING THAT AS OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU ALL. YOU'LL RECALL THAT OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND AUTHORIZATIONS AND ELECTION'S ON A FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS 2022. WE PLAN FOR THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE 2027. 
          WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT LOOK AT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID SOMETHING IN 2025 AND MAYBE CHANGE THE TIMING ON THE 2027 ONE. LOOK AT A COUPLE OPTIONS, NOTHING DEFINITIVE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK FOR FURTHER KOFERTIONZ. 
          THE OTHER THING I'LL MENTION IS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF LAST FALL, DURING A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, SEVERAL OF YOU MENTIONED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE FACT THAT OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS DONE, A LOT OF THE FUNDING HAS BEEN ALREADY UTILIZED FOR THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM, COULD WE DO SOMETHING SOONER? THAT IS PART OF THAT ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL. SO WE WOULD BRING THOSE OPTIONS BACK TO YOU AS PART OF THAT ANALYSIS. SO THE PROPOSED FUNDING SOURCES WOULD INCLUDE THE CITY CAPITAL BUDGET, WHICH WOULD BE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, OR OTHER ELIGIBLE CAPITAL FUNDS. 
          I MENTIONED, LIKE, LEVERAGING PARKING REVENUES IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE PARKING GARAGES, AND THEN WE WOULD BE PURSUING ANY AVAILABLE FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING TO HELP US MAKE THE DISTRICT I INFRASTRUCTU INFRASTRUCTURE  -- TO SUPPORT FUNDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE NEXT ONE IS ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROPERTIES. ON THE ITC PROPERTY, WE DO HAVE AN MOU WITH UTSA THAT GIVES US A FIRST RIGHT OF PURCHASE. WE BELIEVE WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY IN LATE 2025. THAT PROPERTY WHEN THE APPRAISAL'S DONE, BEFORE WE OBVIOUSLY AGREE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, BUT THE VALUE THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THAT PROPERTY ACQUISITION IS ABOUT $60 MILLION, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MIDTOWN TIRZ AS A WAY TO FUND THE DEBT SERVICE ON A BOND ISSUANCE TO FUND THAT. THE GSA PROPERTY, WE BEGIN -- WE HAVE BEGUN TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT GSA PROPERTY. THAT TIMELINE IS YET TO BE DETERMINED. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THAT GSA PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THE VALUE OF THE LAND, AND WE WOULD LIKELY LOOK AT PROBABLY THE MIDTOWN TIRZ OR SOME VERSION OF THAT TO FUND THAT ACQUISITION AS WELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO ON THIS SLIDE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE FOR A SECRESECOND.  AND THERE WERE SOME RECENT REPORTS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS PFZ WOULD GIVE THE CITY ABOUT $2.5 BILLION TO SPEND ON PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          AND I WANT TO -- I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME EXPLAINING WHAT THE FPFZ IS AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT IT ISN'T. 
          I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE DO NOT HAVE $2.5 MILLION TO SPEND ON PROJECT WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE 2.5 BILLION NUMBER COMES FROM A STATE COMPTROLLER ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE IMPACT PFZ WOULD HAVE BEEN ON STATE REVENUES. SO THIS COMES OUT OF A FISCAL NOTE THAT WAS DONE DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT ESTIMATED, AGAIN, WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE STATE I HAS ABOUT A 6% COMPOUNDE ANNUAL GROWTH RATE. WE ACTUALLY RECREATED THE FISCAL NOTE, SO THE FISCAL NOTE SHOWS YOU THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, IT SHOWS YOU THE LAST YEAR. WE RECREATED IT. IT'S A COMPOUND END OF GROWTH RATE OF ABOUT 6%. THAT'S FINE FOR THE STATE'S PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BUDGET IMPACT TO THEM IS. FOR US, WE'RE DOING ANALYSIS ON THESE PROJECTIONS -- OR THIS REVENUE STREAM TO COME UP WITH PROJECTIONS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IT IN AS PART OF A FUNDING FRAMEWORK, LEVERAGING BONDS AGAINST IT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING A REVENUE STREAM COMPOUNDING AT 6% ANNUALLY TO GO LEVERAGE BONDS AGAINST. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH IN TERMS OF A COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH RATE. 
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BUT THE STRUCTURE, HOW THINGS COME IN, ARE THE SAME. 
          SO FOR PURPOSES OF THIS GRAPHIC AND THIS SLIDE, I'M GOING TO USE THE COMPTROLLER'S $2.5 MILLION ESTIMATE, I THINK IT'S JUST EASIER. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS TO JUST NOTE RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          IF I'VE GOT $2.5 BILLION IN REVENUE COMING IN OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS, AND I WANT TO SPEND IT TODAY, I DON'T HAVE $2.5 BILLION, I'VE GOT TO GO BORROW. 
          AND THE MINUTER I BORROW, I'VE GOT TO PAY INTEREST COSTS,  THAT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THAT NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          THE SECOND THING IS, THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GETTING $2.5 BILLION OVER 30 YEARS AND IT COMING IN, LET'S SAY, AT $80 MILLION A YEAR. WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. WE CAN DO A LOT WITH THAT. BUT THIS PROJECT FINANCE ZONE, REMEMBER, IS A LOT LIKE A TIRZ. IT'S INCREMENTAL GROWTH. IT'S GOING TO START SMALL AND IT'S GOING TO GET LARGE OVER TIME. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN ILLUSTRATION HERE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, THAT IS THE STATE'S -- AUDIO] -- ROUGHLY COMPOUNDED ANNUAL GROWTH RATE, USES THE FISCAL NOTE, THE FIRST YEAR'S ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF, THE THIRD YEAR IS $7 MILLION, AND THEN IT'S BEEN REPORTED, MANY TIMES, THAT THERE'S $222 MILLION IN YEAR 30. YOU CAN SEE THE AGGRESSIVE SLOPE OF THAT COMING IN. THE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GRAPH LOOKS NICE AND PRETTY AND IT'S GOT A NICE, SMOOTH LINE. 
          THE REVENUE'S NEVER COME IN LIKE THAT, SO AS WE BOND AGAINST IT, WE HAVE TO KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE SLOW PERIODS OF TIME, HIGH PERIODS OF GROWTH, RECESSIONS, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT. AND SO THAT GOES BACK TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE. 
          IF WE WERE TO SAY IN 2026 BASED ON THIS REVENUE STREAM, I WANT TO ISSUE A BILLION DOLLARS, I'M NOT USING ANY OTHER REVENUE STREAM, IT'S A CONTRACT REVENUE BOND, IT'S GOT TO HAVE COVERAGE, WE CAN SOMETIMES STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE LOWER PAYMENTS ON THE FRONT END, LARGER PAYMENTS ON THE BACK END, BUT NOT THIS MUCH. SO IF WE WANTED A BILLION DOLLARS AND WE'LL BE GENEROUS, WE'LL SAY IT'S TAX EXEMPT, SO LOWER INTEREST RATE OF 5.5% AND I WANT TO ISSUE THAT IN 2026, WITH COVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT I NEED. SO IN YEAR 1, I'M SHORT $101 MILLION THROUGH 2044, WE'RE SHORT $1.2 BILLION. SO THERE'S NO DEAL HERE, THERE'S NO BOND ISSUE HERE WITH THIS STAND-ALONE REVENUE STREAM. THAT'S NOT HOW -- THIS IS NOT HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO EXPLAIN IT SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS -- IT'S GOING TO GROW OVER TIME. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT TOOL. 
          I'M THANKFUL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE STATE GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS. 
          THIS IS REALLY GOING TO HELP ADVANCE THE DISTRICT, NO DOUBT. 
          BUT IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK IN A TRADITIONAL BOND SENSE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMBINE IT WITH OTHER REVENUES ON THE FRONT END ESPECIALLY, TO CREATE ROOM FOR A BOND ISSUE. YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN THIS CASE, IF I CUT THE BILLION TO HALF A BILLION, IT'S STILL NOT GOING TO WORK. WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE FRONT END OF THIS TO MAKE THIS FEASIBLE AND TO ALLOW THIS TO WORK. 
          JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE INTEREST COST IN YEAR 1 ON A BILLION DOLLARS IS $59 MILLION. FORGET ABOUT COVERAGE, FORGET ABOUT PRINCIPLE PAYMENT, THE INTEREST COST ALONE IS $59 MILLION IN YEAR 1. OUR GOAL IS TO WORK ON OTHER REVENUE STREAMS TO COMBINE WITH THIS, SO THAT WE CAN EFFECTIVELY BORROW AGAINST THIS, AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE DONE IN PHASES. AS WE LOOK AT THOSE OTHER SOURCES, THAT'S WHERE THE COMPLEXITY COMES IN AS WELL. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO SAY, LET'S -- I WANT TO USE IT FOR THE 'DOME, AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, WE COULD COMBINE IT WITH HOT REVENUES AND HELP GET COVERAGE AND MEET A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BOND ISSUE WITH A LOWER COST OF BORROWING. IF YOU GO TO THE AR ARENA, YOU CAN'T USE THE HOT REVENUES FOR THE ARENA, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED. SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT OTHER SOURCES. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY COME INTO PLAY. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO THIS OVER TIME, SENIOR LEAN STRUCTURES, SUBORT NANT STRUCTURES, WE MIGHT EVEN USE THIS BECAUSE IT GROWS OUT IN THE FUTURE TO ALLOW US TO DEFEES DEBT THAT WE'VE ISSUED AND THEN OPEN UP CAPACITY LAYER. 
          IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SLIDE, BUT THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE 'DOME WAS THIS 10-YEAR TIME FRAME THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE FOCUS ON OPERATIONAL CAPITAL, CREATIVE CAPITAL, WHEN YOU GET TO ABOUT 2035, THINGS ARE STARTING TO OPEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
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THIS ALSO HELPS TO POTENTIALLY USE THIS FOR SOMETHING LARGER FOR THE 'DOME LATER ON. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING FRAMEWORK, NOT JUST THE PFZ, BUT THE ENTIRE FRAMEWORK FOR THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOMETIMES -- I'M HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPECTATION SOMETIMES THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS SOME FUNDING FRAMEWORK THAT'S GOING TO LAY EVERYTHING OUT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH EVERYTHING COSTS AND EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN PHASES OR WAVES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME ANCHOR PROJECTS EARLY ON. WE'LL HAVE SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO DO THINGS IN THE DISTRICT LATER ON, BECAUSE WE WANT TO PRESERVE CAPACITY, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET ALL THESE THINGS DONE, BUT WE CAN'T COME UP WITH THAT PLAN, ONE, BECAUSE IT'S A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND A LOT CAN CHANGE. TWO, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SOME OF THE PARTNERS WE'RE GOING TO NEED IDENTIFIED YET. THE HOTEL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AN RFP TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE BRAND IS AND THE OPERATOR'S GOING TO BE BEFORE YOU CAN REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT PROJECT LOOKS LIKE. THE OPERATOR FOR THE WOOD COURTHOUSE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK YET TO BE DONE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPECTATION THAT WE KIND OF LAY THAT OUT, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE IN PHASES. EARLY PHASES WILL HELP SUBSEQUENT PHASES GET DONE. AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS FUNDING FRAMEWORK WILL BE PUT TOGETHER, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU. 
          SO WITH THAT, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO ANDY SEGOVIA, OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S GOING TO COVER THE P PROPOSED MEMORANDUM OF 
          UNDERSTANDING. ANDY. >> SEGOVIA: THANK YOU, BEN. ERIK MENTIONED WIS PLAYING CLEANUP, BUT GIVEN THE TOPIC, MAYBE WE SHOULD USE BASKETBALL METAPHORS. 
          MY AIM IS SIMPLY NOT TO TURN THE BALL OVER WHILE I HAVE IT. 
          WE'LL GO OVER QUICKLY THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. 
          IT'S A TWO AND A HALF PAGE DOCUMENT, NOT INCLUDING THE SIGNATURE PAGES. THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BEXAR COUNTY AND, OF COURSE, THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS. 
          FUNDAMENTALLY, WE HAVE THE MOU JUST TO SET A FRAMEWORK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THREE SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE MOU, AND I'LL GET TO THE OBJECTIVES HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT IT DOES CLEARLY INDICATE THAT THE THREE PARTIES INTEND WITHIN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS SIT DOWN AND START SOME REALLY SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS ON HOW TO PLAN AND ACCOMPLISH HOPEFULLY COLLABORATIVELY ACCOMPLISHING THE THREE OBJECTIVES. 
          A COUPLE OF THE FEATURES OF THE MOU, IT'S NONBINDING. 
          IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A BINDING AGREEMENT, BUT, AGAIN, REALLY TO SET A FRAMEWORK THAT WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD HOPEFULLY TO DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS. IT DOES ANTICIPATE FURTHER DISCUSSION TO START FAIRLY QUICKLY AFTER THE MOU IS EXECUTED AND COMPLETED. 
          AND THERE'S A SENSE OF -- I WOULD SAY A SENSE OF URGENCY, GIVEN SOME OF THE TIMING OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND THE EMERGENCY ROOM THE OF THE MOU IS SET TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AGAIN WITH THE HOPE THAT AFTER THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAD IN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS, WE CAN GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS PROBABLY AS BEN SAID A TERM SHEET THAT WOULD BE IN ANTICIPATION OF MORE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS COMING LATER. THE THREE OBJECTIVES, I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT SINCE WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ALREADY DESCRIBING THE DISTRICTS AND THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS. I WILL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THE FIRST ONE. THE COUNTY HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THE FROST CENTER AND THE COLISEUM REMAIN AS VIABLE END USE. VENUES. THEY ALSO HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY HOPE TO DO THOSE RENOVATIONS AS PART OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST SIDE. 
          THAT'S CLEARLY AN OBJECTIVE THEY'VE STATED IN THE MOU AND ONE, AGAIN, THAT ALL THREE PARTIES -- ACCOMPLISH THAT. THE SECOND OBJECTIVE IS THE CREATION OF THE DOWNTOWN SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT LORI DESCRIBED. 
          AND THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE THE [INDISCERNIBLE] ARENA THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT DOWNTOWN PROJECT. SO AS PART OF THE MOU, WE IDENTIFIED THREE POTENTIAL ITEMS THAT WOULD FURTHER THE OBJECTIVES IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. ONE WAS THE COUNTY VENUE TAX MEASURE WITH THE HOPE THAT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 WITH THE FULL EXPECTATION THAT AT LEAST A PORTION OF THAT WOULD GO TOWARD FUNDING THE ARENA. POSSIBLY LOOKING AT WILLOW SPRINGS AS PART OF A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE EAST SIDE, AND A SPURS CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA. A COUPLE OTHER FEATURES THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ARE IN THE MOU, I THINK YOU NOTICED IN BEN'S PRESENTATION THERE WAS NO MENTION OF GENERAL FUND OR PROPERTY TAX, EXCEPT FOR TIRZ, SO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE MOU FROM A 
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PUBLIC ENTITY STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THOSE REVENUE SOURCES TO FUND ANY OF THE PROJECTS. IT ALSO INCLUDES A COMMITMENT BY ALL THE PARTIES FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY BENEFITS OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY COME FROM THE DISCUSSIONS.  LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE MOU TALKS ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS THE BALL BACK TO ERIK, SO HE CAN DO THE 
          BUZZER BEATER. >> WALSH: NO MORE BASKETBALL ANALOGIES, ANDY. SO CLIFF, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO JUST NEXT STEPS, AS WE'VE PREPARED THE PRESENTATION, REALLY IT'S TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL TODAY AS A GROUP ABOUT FINALIZING AND EXECUTING THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. TWO, TO CONTINUE THE DUE DILIGENCE AND ANALYSIS ON THE FUNDING OF THOSE ANCHOR PROJECTS THAT LORI AND BEN BOTH TALKED ABOUT. THIRD, WE DO NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AND GATHER MORE INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY ON THE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. AND AS ANDY MENTIONED, THE ASPECT OF A POTENTIAL CONVEYANCE OF WILLOW SPRINGS REALLY RESTS UPON THE COUNCIL GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE INTENT IS, AND SO THAT'S A FOLLOW-UP ITEM THAT WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO DEAL WITH WITH THE COUNTY. FOURTHLY, DEVELOP AND NEGOTIATE THAT FUNDING FRAMEWORK FOR AN NBA ARENA, THE ONE -- THE PORTION THAT BOTH ANDY AND BEN TALKED ABOUT. AND LASTLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS WE MOVE OUT OF AN MOU PHASE TO ESTABLISH A REGULAR COUNCIL BRIEFING TEMPO AS THIS PROGRESSES, AS THESE PROJECT PROGRESS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT YOU HEARD FROM BOTH LORI AND BEN THAT ARE ALL ON A PATH, AND WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH KIND OF A TEMPO THAT WE CAN ALL EXPECT, AND THAT YOU ALL CAN EXPECT AS COUNCILMEMBERS TO BE KEPT ABREAST. 
          AND IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LAY OUT PUBLICLY WHERE WE'RE AT AND THE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: GREAT. THANK YOU VERY,  FOR THE PRESENTATION, LORI, BEN AND ANDY, GOOD JOB, AND ERIK AS WELL. I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE, AND WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO COUNCIL CONVERSATION. NEARLY ALL OF THE WORK THAT CAME BEFORE TODAY COULD PROBABLY BE FILED UNDER GENERAL FEASIBILITY. WE WANTED TO KNOW THAT SHOULD THIS COMMUNITY WANT TO BUILD THE BEST DOWNTOWN IN AMERICA, COULD WE EVEN DO IT? AND AS THE ANSWER BECAME A BROAD YES IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS, WE DECIDED THAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD WAS TO FORMALLY SIGN OUR INTENT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE WERE COLLECTIVELY COMMITTED TO A MODERN, INCLUSIVE DOWNTOWN VISION, AND SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO BEGIN THAT PUBLIC PROCESS. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE LISTENING THAT THE MOU WE'RE DISCUSSING IS NONBINDING. 
          THIS IS NOT A TERM SHEET, NOR IS IT A FINANCIAL AGREEMENT. 
          WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STATE OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES EARLY ON, WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT OUR SPECIFIC WISHES ARE MET WHEN THE OVERALL PROCESS COMMENCES. TODAY IT'S ABOUT SAYING YES TO THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS AS ONE TEAM. IT'S ABOUT SAYING, YES, THIS IS A GOAL THAT IS WORTH TRYING TO ACHIEVE. I ALSO WANT TO ENSURE EVERYONE LISTENING THAT WE'RE ALSO COMMITTED TO THE NEXT CENTURY OF SAN ANTONIO SPURS BASKETBALL. THIS MOU IS ENABLING DOCUMENT THAT WILL SERVE AS THE FIRST STEP TO EVERYONE HAVING A VOICE AND ENSURING WE CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND WE TRULY DELIVER AN EXCITING ERA FOR DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UP FRONT, WE DO KNOW SOME SIMPLE TRUTHS:  THIS DEAL HINGES ON THE UTILIZATION OF THE VENUE TAX FOR PART OF THE SPURS ARENA. I KNOW COUNCIL WOULD BE PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE NEED A SEAT AT THE TABLE AS WE PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY ON REALIZING THE PROMISE OF THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS A GOOD-NEWS DAY FOR SAN ANTONIO. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN BUILD THE BEST DOWNTOWN IN AMERICA IF WE WORK TOGETHER, AND I'M EXCITED FOR THAT WORK AHEAD. AND SO LET'S GET ON WITH THE CONVERSATION NOW. WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER 
          MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING A FEW THINGS. ONE IS THAT OUR PRIORITY WITHIN PROJECT MARVEL 
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SHOULD BE OUR EXISTING CITY-OWNED FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BELIEVE. I RECALL THAT THIS WAS FIRST ABOUT THE NEED TO P COMPETITIVE FOR CONFERENCES, CONCERTS AND OTHER MAJOR EVENTS AND TO CREATE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY TO THE EAST. 
          AND THAT JUSTIFIES RENOVATION FOR THE ALAMODOME AND THE CONVENTION CENTER. THEN WE GOT A FANTASTIC CONNECTING COMMUNITIES GRANT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPLORE INNOVATIVE WAYS TO UNDUE THE DAMAGE AND HISTORICAL SEGREGATION THAT THE HIGHWAY HAS BEEN A TOOL OF. THE IDEA OF A LAND BRIDGE IS SOMETHING MY COMMUNITY IS EXCITED ABOUT SO LONG AS THEY ARE INCLUDED ALONG THE WAY. 
          IT'S DESIGNED TO BENEFIT THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. SIMULTANEOUSLY, THERE'S WHISPERED THAT THE SPURS WANTED OUT OF THE FROST BANK CENTER AND SPECULATION THEY'D MOVE TO AUSTIN AND HOW DEVASTATING THAT WOULD BE FOR SAN ANTONIO. THERE WERE ALSO LOUD WHISPERS THAT THE MISSIONS WANTED A STADIUM. IT MADE SENSE TO VIEW ALL OF THESE PROJECTS UNDER THE LENS OF A MASTER PLAN AND POSITION OURSELVES TO BE PREPARED FOR ALL OF THESE OUTCOMES. IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THE SPURS ARENA WAS NEVER CENTRAL TO PROJECT MARVEL WERE IN MY MIND, AT LEAST NOT IN MY MIND. ME AFROM DAY ONE, I'VE STATED IF WE ARE TO PURSUE A NEW ARENA, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY REALIZE THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE BACK IN 1999, AND MY PRIORITY IS ENSURING THAT SHOULD THE SPURS LEAVE, THAT THEY LEAVE THE EAST SIDE BETTER THAN THEY FOUND IT. THE PROBLEM WITH PROMISING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS INEVITABLE IS THAT EVEN IF YOU BUILD A STADIUM OR AN ARENA, YOU CANNOT FORCE PRIVATE INTEREST AND DEVELOPERS TO INVEST IN COMMUNITIES COMMUNITIES THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT. AND WHAT HAS BEEN ABUNDANTLY CLEAR OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES IS THESE DEVELOPERS AND PRIVATE INTERESTS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE EAST SIDE, THEY HAVE NOT AND DO NOT FIND MY COMMUNITY WORTHY OF INVESTMENT. THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE A FEW CHANGES I'D LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS MOU AND ALSO EXPLAIN WHY I THINK THEY BELONG IN THE MOU AND SHOULD NOT BE LEFT OVER FOR LATER NEGOTIATION. I DON'T SUPPORT THE WILLOW SPRINGS INCLUDING IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY VIEWS THIS TRANSFER AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S AN ILL CONCEIVED CONCEPT. FOR ONE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE LITTLE GREENSPACE THAT WE DO HAVE IN THIS VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA, SO UNLESS THEY CONTEND TO CONVEY LAND ELSEWHERE IN THE EAST SIDE OVER TO US, IT'S NOT WORTH DISCUSSION. 
          WITH THE MISSION STADIUM, IT TOOK A BILLION DOLLARS IN PLAN AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO GENERATE THE INCREMENT NEEDED TO FUND THE STADIUM. 
          THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY COULD PUT ON TOP OF THIS GOLF COURSE THAT WILL GENERATE THE REVENUE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE NEARLY $1 BILLION IT WOULD TAKE TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FROST BANK CENTER, THE COLOSSEUM GROUNDS AND THE IMRAIR AROUND THE FROST BANK CENTER. ALL THIS DOES IS OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOSE GREENSPACE, DEVELOP A HOTEL OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE HOPES THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL VIEW THAT AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I WILL EMPHASIZE IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT, THEY WANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS. MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT TO MEET THOSE NEEDS. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT A HOTEL. AND I SAY ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THE REASON THAT WE'RE EVEN ENTERTAINING A WILLOW SPRINGS TRANSACTION IS FLAWED SO I WOULD STRIKE THAT FROM THE MOU. 
          THE SECOND CHANGE I'D RECOMMENDATION NEN ASK TO PARTICIPATE AS PARTNERSHIP, THE DISTRICT TWO COUNCILMEMBER, WHETHER IT'S ME OR ANOTHER PERSON, NEEDS A FORMALIZED SEAT AT THE ABLEND THAT NEEDS TO BE BAKED INTO THE AGREEMENT. OUR WORK WITH THE COUNTY IS A LOT FURTHER ALONG IN THIS PLANNING AS THEY LET ON. 
          THAT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE, NOT WHAT IS ASSUMED. A THIRD CHANGE I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE IDENTIFY A MAXIMUM THRESHOLD FOR CITY INVESTMENT IN A NEW ARENA. RIGHT NOW IT'S UNSURE HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO PAY, HOW MUCH TAXPAYERS WILL BE ASKED FOR AND HOW MUCH WILL BE PAID FOR OTHER SOURCES. AS A BASE, I'D SAY WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NO MORE THAN 1/3 OF THE TOTAL COST. EVEN ON OUR LIST OF WANTS, THE INCLUDE THE ALAMODOME, THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE COURTHOUSE, I'D PLACE THE SPURS ARENA NEAR THE BOTTOM. 
          I BELIEVE WE NEED TO SET A MAXIMUM THRESHOLD BEFORE WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS. I DO WANT TO EXPRESS THE NEED FOR SOME SORT OF STUDY FOR THIS MANY VENUES AND WHETHER WE RUN THE RISK OF COMPETING WITH OURSELVES. HOW MANY ARTISTS WOULD PERFORM AT THE FROST BANK CENTER IF THERE'S A NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART RARY DOWNTOWN. 
          DO WE NEED A THIRD CONCERT VENUE AT THE JOHN WOODS COURTHOUSE. 
          ARE ALL OF THESE VENUES FOR NOT IF ARTISTS BELIEVE THERE'S A STRONGER VENUE FEW IN AUSTIN AND FOLK IN SAN ANTONIO ARE WILLING 
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TO TRAVEL UP THERE ALREADY. IF I WERE TH I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY APPROVED THIS VERSION OF AN MOU YESTERDAY AND I UNDERSTAND THE SPURS WANT AN MOU LAST YEAR, BUT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RUSHED, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE SHOULD AGREE TO. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXECUTE AN MOU IF THIS FEEDBACK WERE IMPLEMENTED AS YOUR GUIDE POST. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE A LONG TIME, BUT WHEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN, I AM REQUESTING PUBLICLY TO BE AT THE TABLE. 
          AGAIN, I'VE BEEN GOING BACK, I'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THE TRANSFER OF WILLOW SPRINGS AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE AT THE TABLE TO REPRESENT MY DISTRICT, AS THE AREA THAT STANDS TO LOSE THE MOST AS A RESULT OF PROJECT MARVEL OR TO GAIN THE MOST IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN IGNORED HONESTLY AND MY COMMUNITY HAS TAKEN NOTE OF THAT. 
          HAD I BEEN HEARD THE FIRST TIME ABOUT ALL OF THESE CONCERNS MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE MORE FAITH ON THIS PROCESS AND WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS MUCH, MUCH SOONER. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE EFFORT AND I SAY THIS AS RESPECTFULLY AS I CAN, THE MAYOR, THE JUDGE AND THE CITY MANAGERS CANNOT GET TO THAT POINT ALONE AND I WORRY THAT THAT'S THE MISTAKE THAT HAS BEEN MADE SO  FAR. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT AND ME AND COMMISSIONER CALVERT BEING EXCLUDED SO I MAKE THOSE FEW REQUESTS AND I HOPE THAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ECHO THEM. THANK YOU. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN? >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU, SO BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, THE SPURS AND I SHARE A BIRTHDAY, BOTH FROM 1973. AND I KNOW THAT THIS DOWNTOWN CONVENTION CENTER ISN'T CENTERED ON THE SPURS, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS -- WITH THIS BASKETBALL TEAM AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY AS SAN ANTONIO SPURS AND ENTERTAINMENT . I SUPPORT ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN. A DOWNTOWN THAT COMPETES NATIONALLY AND GLOBALLY FOR TOURISTS AND CONVENTION BUSINESS. A DOWNTOWN THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY BECAUSE IT IS WALKABLE AND EASY TO NAVIGATE FOR FREE AND PAID EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. A DOWNTOWN THAT PROVIDES A SENSE OF PLACE, REFLECTING THE HISTORY, CULTURE, AND VIBE THAT IS FOUND IN CITIES LIKE SAN ANTONIO. 
          THIS MEANS MAKING THE INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, AN ARENA, UPGRADES, EXPANSIONS. SO TODAY WE HAVE AN MOU THAT I BELIEVE THE COUNTY PASSED -- ERIK, WHAT DID THEY PASS IT WITH? 
          WAS IT UNANIMOUS? >> WALSH: 4-1, COUNCILWOMAN. >> VIAGRAN: 4-1. 
          SO WE HAVE AN MOU THAT THE COUNTY OR COUNTERPARTS OR COLLEAGUES HAVE VOTED FOR AND IT IS A NECESSITY TO GET TO THE NEGOTIATIONS. AND IT IS AT THE NEGOTIATION POINT THAT IN MOVING FORWARD THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          IT'S IN THE NEGOTIATIONS OF THIS. WE NEED TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC INPUT. WE NEED TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC UPDATES. 
          IT'S IN THIS PARTICIPATION THAT WE CAN SEE THE MOST GROWTH BUT IN ORDER TO GET THERE, WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS NON-BINDING MOU AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND GIVE A BACK AND FORTH. SO I TODAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY PRIORITIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THE FIRST IS THE LAND BRIDGE. 
          IF WE LOOK AT SLIDE 2 AND THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT ARE THERE, THE LAND BRIDGE -- I'M SORRY. THE LAND BRIDGE, THE EAST SIDE CONNECTOR. 
          I KNOW, BEN, YOU SAID HOT TAX COULDN'T BE USED FOR THAT. WE NEED TO DIG IN IF THERE'S ANY RESOURCES THAT WE CAN, IF WE CANNOT GET THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDS WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE. THIS NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY, TO GET THE ONE SIDE CONNECTED TO THE OTHER SIDE. COULD YOU PLEASE BE QUIET? THE SECOND OF THE PRIORITIES -- 
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AND THEY'RE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER -- IS THE ARENA. IN 1999, IF WE HAD DONE IT DIFFERENTLY, IF THE CITY HAD MORE OF A SEAT AT THE TABLE, IF THE EASTSIDE REPRESENTATIVE AT THE TIME HAD MORE AT THE TABLE, WE MAY HAVE HAD WHAT ARLINGTON HAS, BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. 
          SO HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE SHOWN THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE SHOWN A SUPPORT FOR A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM LIKE THE CHAMPIONSHIP-WINNING SPURS. THEY HAVE GONE TO THE GAMES. 
          THEY HAVE BOUGHT THE T-SHIRTS. PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO GO TO THE GAMES, SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND ELIGIBILITY WE HAVE AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET TO NEGOTIATION STAGES, THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE ITS SAY. OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THEIR SAY IN THIS NEW ARENA. RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT THE CASE SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING THIS INVESTMENT AND HAVING THIS THERE AS THE ANCHOR. AND I THINK THAT'S ON SLIDE 3 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE ON THE PRIORITY OF SLIDE 3. 
          THAT AND THEN THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. EVERYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF THE HOSPITALITY, THE GROWTH OF THE DOME WILL COME IF WE GET THE CONVENTION BUSINESS HERE AND PEOPLE START TO COME TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO MY OTHER PRIORITY IS THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. WE NEED APPROPRIATE WALKABILITY. 
          WE NEED TO STREAMLINE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WE NEED TO INCLUDE VISIT SAN ANTONIO  IN THIS PROCESS. AGAIN, WE DO NOT GET THERE UNTIL WE GET INTO THE NEGOTIATION PHASES, WHICH STARTS WITH AN MOU THAT I THINK IS NOT NECESSARILY A START BUT WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE CITY AND COUNTY'S HISTORY FROM 1999, YOU WANT AN MOU. YOU WANT US TO HAVE THIS STARTING POINT. 
          THE FINAL PRIORITY I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IS PARKING. THE PARKING IS KEY. 
          WE KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE PRESENTATION HERE, OTHER THAN SLIDE 15 WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. BEN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PLANS, THE ALTERNATIVES, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTHSIDE IN A PARK AND RIDE PROGRAM. HOW DO WE GET VIA HERE. BECAUSE I THINK WE KNOW WE HAVE THE MARKET. WE KNOW WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORS THAT WANT TO COME TO THESE EVENTS. HOW DO WE GET THEM HERE? WE HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY HAPPEN WITH THE DIA DE LOS MUERTOS, ELTON JOHN, YOU KNOW, EVENTS IN OCTOBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE SAW WHAT THAT DOES. NEW YEAR'S EVE IN SAN ANTONIO ON A GOOD WEATHER DAY, WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S COMING DOWNTOWN. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE GROUPS HERE THAT HAVE SPECIFIC WHAT ABOUT HOUSING, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK? WHAT KINDS OF JOBS ARE WE GOING TO BE OFFERING? AND THESE ARE ALL GOOD, VALID QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE SPURS GOING TO BE TO THIS? WE NEED TO GET INTO A ROOM, WE NEED TO GIVE YOU, ERIK, THE AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE. TODAY I'M ASKING YOU: CAN YOU, IF WE APPROVE THIS MEMO TOMORROW, CAN YOU COME BACK TO ME IN 30 DAYS WITH AN UPDATE THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM ME AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TODAY? I'M NOT SAYING A CONTRACT, I 
          JUST NEED AN UPDATE. >> WALSH: AN UPDATE ON THE OVERALL PROJECT OR AN 
          UPDATE -- >> VIAGRAN: ON THE PROGRESS, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOU 
          TOMORROW. >> WALSH: YES. >> VIAGRAN: AND CAN WE GET A CALENDAR OR A REGULAR SCHEDULE THAT WE ARE GIVING UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE ARE PUTTING ON THE SCHEDULE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS FOR THIS. WHEN CAN WE GET A GUARANTEE THAT WHEN WE'RE AT THAT POINT IN NEGOTIATIONS, THAT WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY THAT SIGNED ON TO THIS MOU: THE COUNTY, CITY, AND THE SPURS PRESENT AT THOSE INPUTS? 
          >> WALSH: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER PARTS BUT IF THE COUNCIL SETS THE FRAMEWORK , IF 
          THAT'S WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, THEN WE'LL DO THAT. >> VIAGRAN: DO I HAVE ANYONE 
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FROM THE COUNTY HERE THAT COULD SPEAK TO THAT OR THE SPURS THAT COULD SPEAK THAT THEY WOULD BE 
          PART OF THE MEETINGS FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND UPDATES? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, BOBBY PEREZ, ONE FROST BANK CENTER PARKWAY. 
          YES, WE CAN COMMIT TO PARTICIPATING IN FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. 
          LIKE ERIK, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY BUT AFTER OUR DISCUSSIONS YESTERDAY, THEY 
          SEEM TO BE ENGAGED AS WELL. >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO GET TO. I WANT THIS TO BE DIFFERENT FROM 1999. 
          I WANT THIS TO BE WHERE THE PUBLIC COMES IN AND THEY SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. 
          AND IN ORDER TO GET THERE, WE NEED TO GET THIS MOU DONE SO I'M PREPARED TO DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. >> SEGOVIA: IF I MAY, MAYOR. COUNCILWOMAN, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE MOU, WHICH AGAIN WOULD BE SIGNED BY ALL THREE PARTIES, DOES CONTEMPLATE THAT WE'LL 
          COME UP WITH A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN AND SCHEDULE. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK 
          YOU, COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. >> GARCIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, LORI FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND BEN AS WELL. BEN, I LOVE THE PRIORITIZATION THAT YOU HAVE OR THE CRITICAL NEED THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED ON THERE ON THE CITYWIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPOSITION. WE ASKED FOR THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL HAVE BAKED IT IN HERE BECAUSE I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH ANY POSSIBLE DISPLACEMENT THAT HAPPENS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT RIGHT AWAY. I DO THINK THAT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I ALSO LIKE THE PRIORITIZATION, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN SAID, OF THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. 
          ONCE THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER IS BACK IN BUSINESS, WE WILL BE LOSING THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'VE BEEN SENDING US. AND I'M JUST REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT FIRST. IF WE HAD TO LIST IN ORDER OF PRIORITIES, I WOULD GO TO THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION AND THEN I WOULD GO TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THAT CITYWIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPOSITION AND THEN GO INTO THE CONVERSATION OF THE ARENA. 
          I DON'T THINK THESE NEED TO HAPPEN SEPARATELY, THOUGH. I THINK ALL THREE CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD BE MORE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THEM IF WE HAVE THAT HOUSING AT THE EXACT SAME TIME AS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ARENA. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU HAVE THE ALAMODOME REVISED PROJECT IN THERE AS A PROPOSED PROJECT AS WELL. AND SO I KNOW I'VE ASKED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT REVITALIZATION AND UTILIZATION OF BUILDING, SPECIFICALLY. I'M WONDERING IF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE REUSE MOVEMENT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THE REUSE OF THE FROST BANK CENTER. I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT MY COLLEAGUE IN DISTRICT 2 WASN'T INVITED TO PARTICIPATE WHEN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING. 
          HE ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE THERE. I ALSO THINK MY COLLEAGUE IN DISTRICT 1 NEEDS TO BE THERE AS WELL. I KNOW THAT TIME-FRAMES AND SHORT TURNAROUND TIMES MIGHT BE TO BLAME SOMETIMES BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL AT WHATEVER TIME IT IS. I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR ANYBODY TO TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUES AS WELL. 
          WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS, IN PARTICULAR. I DON'T KNOW IF PAT IS HERE BUT CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THE LEASES FOR UTSA FOOTBALL EXPIRE IN THE BRAHMAS? IF IT HAS TO BE LATER, THAT'S FINE. I WAS WONDERING IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON EXTENDING THEIR LEASES AS WELL. WE CAN GET THAT ANSWER LATER, UNLESS YOU KNOW IT. 
          NO PROBLEM. THE NEXT QUESTION IS I KNOW THAT ONE QUESTION IS WE KNOW THAT THE SPURS WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE FUNDING OF THE ARENA. 
          DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING YET? >> WALSH: NO, MA'AM. 
          >> GARCIA: SINCE THE REIMAGINED ALAMODOME IS NOT FEASIBLE IN THE NEAR TERM, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED? AND MAYBE SOME OF THE CREATIVE CAPITAL THAT YOU REFERENCED, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN 
          DETAIL. >> SO, COUNCILWOMAN, WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THE OPERATIONAL CAPITAL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ASSESSMENT OF THE BUILDING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BUILDING SYSTEMS, MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS WORK APPROPRIATELY. 
          ARE THERE ELECTRONIC -- THE RIBBON BOARDS, THE DIGITAL SCOREBOARDS, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT TYPICALLY HAVE A SHORTER LIFE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO 
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ACCOUNT. ON THE CREATIVE CAPITAL, WE'RE ASKING THE CONSULTANTS AS THEY GO THROUGH THERE, THINK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE, CONCESSIONS. ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN DO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NEWER FACILITIES THAT HAVE OPENED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT MAYBE DON'T REQUIRE AS MUCH OF AN INVESTMENT BUT HAVE A BIGGER ROI. 
          THEY PROVIDE MORE CONVENIENCE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO CONCESSIONS, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET BUT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT 
          THAT. >> WALSH: I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD -- BUT BEN MENTIONED FAN EXPERIENCE. IT COULD BE A CHANGE TO THE PREMIUM SEATING. 
          BUT ANYTHING THAT -- I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT BEN BUT ANYTHING THAT IS WORTH CAPITAL AND AN INCREASE IN OUR ROI, WHICH INCREASES OUR CAPACITY TO DO MORE DOWN THE ROAD. 
          >> GARCIA: I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT -- FOR INSTANCE, MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS BUT THE DIGITAL MARKETABILITIES, A PORTION OF THAT WOULD GO TO THE NBA. EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT HAVE GREAT IDEAS, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK IT MIGHT NOT ALL COME BACK TO US. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A MARKET STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE POTENTIAL REVENUE STREAMS FOR NAMING RIGHTS. SINCE I MENTIONED THAT, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT OR HAS THERE BEEN AN UPDATED MARKET STUDY ON NAMING RIGHTS, IN 
          GENERAL? >> NO, MA'AM. THAT STUDY WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN BUT IT WAS SOME TIME AGO. 
          AS IT RELATES TO THE DOME IS, AS THE DISTRICT MOVES FORWARD AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN PLACE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE ARENA, THE DECK PARK -- THE NAMING RIGHTS FOR THE DOME PROBABLY LOOK DIFFERENT THAN IT DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE 
          NEED TO REVISIT. >> GARCIA: I THINK WE SHOULD, DEFINITELY. 
          I KNOW THE LIFE SPAN FOR THE PFC IS 30 YEARS. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> GARCIA: WHAT DO WE DO IN 30 YEARS? HOW DO WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO ADJUST FOR THE NEW NEEDS AT THAT POINT? HOW DO WE PLAN FOR THAT? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR IT. I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE DISTRICT IN PLACE FOR 30 YEARS. I THINK THE CITY, WHEN IT GETS CLOSER TO THE END OF THAT 30-YEAR TIME-FRAME, THEY WOULD NEED TO PURSUE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY. 
          >> GARCIA: COULD IT BE RENEWED, THE PFC? >> NO. 
          IT'S ESSENTIALLY A ZONE THAT'S SET FOR 30 YEARS AND IT EXPIRES AT THE END OF 30 YEARS. 
          >> GARCIA: GOT IT. I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE SPURS BUT IF THE CITY WANTS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE NEW ARENA, ARE YOU ALL STILL CONSIDERING DOING THE WHOLE AUSTIN SERIES AND TAKING GAMES TO AUSTIN IN THE FUTURE? 
          >> COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK SOME OF YOU MIGHT RECALL, AS WE KIND OF EMBARKED ON THAT IH-SERIES, OUR PLAN IS TO EXPAND FROM MEXICO TO AUSTIN, GOING UP IH-35. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING IN MEXICO CITY THE LAST DECADE, AT LEAST SIX TIMES . WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUR MARKET. 
          REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION, WE THINK IT'S GOOD FOR BUILDING THE BRAND, FOCUSING ON SAN ANTONIO, AND ALSO TRYING TO MAKE -- ONE OF THE FASTEST-GROWING CORRIDORS IN THE UNITED STATES, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT FOR OUR TOURISM AND THE CITY OF SAN 
          ANTONIO. >> GARCIA: AS WE FOCUS IN ON THE IH-35 CORRIDOR, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONSORSHIPS AND SOME OF THE COMPANIES COMING TO TOWN AND I'M SURE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, BOBBY. I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THE CHILLED PLANT RELOCATION PROJECT -- WHERE I'M GOING NEXT IS THE CONSTRUCTION IMPACT. 
          AND HOW DO WE, IF WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, THERE'S LITERALLY EIGHT PROJECTS. 
          WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HURT A LOT BY CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES, ET CETERA. HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FROM CONSTRUCTION GENERAL FOR THESE PROJECTS AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE CHILLED PLANT 
          RELOCATION IMPACT? >> EACH WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN FOR THAT TYPE OF EFFORT. FOR THE CHILLED WATER, IT IS A SEQUENCING ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A NEW CHILLED WATER PLANT AND TEAR ONE DOWN AND THEN BUILD UP. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY COMPLICATED CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PROJECT AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE HOTELS AND THE AREA BUSINESSES. 
          AND THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT THERE A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR OTHER PARTNERS. 
          >> GARCIA: GOT IT. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN ERIK'S FUND BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ENGINEER. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE -- RAZI IS 
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OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S OVERSEEING. 
          AND SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO HAVING SOMEONE OVERSEE THIS AREA, IN PARTICULAR, BEYOND A PROJECT MANAGER, ERIK? WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING? I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON OR WILL POTENTIALLY BE GOING ON. 
          >> WALSH: THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON. AS THIS DEVELOPS ORGANIZATIONALLY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ONE ORGANIZED EFFORT TO MANAGE AND OVERSEE AND WORK WITH TROY AND BEN AND PATRICIA. 
          AND SO ORGANIZATIONALLY, WE MAY HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING. I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS SINCE THE NOVEMBER PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL. 
          I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT POINT. BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, MAJOR CUSTOMERS INSIDE, LIKE PATRICIA, BUT ALSO WITH SAWS AND DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL. THE PART BEN MENTIONED WHEN HE DID THAT TABLE AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE SEQUENCING FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT, A PROJECT THIS LARGE IS ALSO -- THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SEQUENCED IN A WAY THAT IS LOGICAL SO THAT WE ARE DEALING IN ONE AREA AND THEN THE NEXT AND NOT TRYING TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS IN A SMALL AREA AND CAUSING ADDITIONAL PAIN. I THINK THE CHILLED WATER ASPECT OF IT, AS BEN COVERED THAT SLIDE, THAT IS PROBABLY NOT ON THE FRONT END OF THIS PROJECT AND WARRANTS A LOT MORE CONVERSATION. THERE IS CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE MASTER COOLING TOWER, IT COULD BE DECENTRALIZED, POTENTIALLY. 
          NOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MASSIVE RELOCATION. FITS NICELYD MR. PUENTES HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT AN EXPANDED CHILLED WATER SYSTEM. AN EXPANDED CHILLED WATER SYSTEM WOULD BE EXTREMELY EFFICIENT FOR A LOT OF USERS DOWNTOWN AND THAT WOULD BENEFIT MORE THAN JUST THIS IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT POTENTIALLY NEW GROWTH IN THAT ENTIRE REGION. 
          YEAH, I THINK ORGANIZATIONALLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO SET US UP SO WE'RE MANAGING 
          EFFECTIVELY. >> GARCIA: LASTLY, BECAUSE YOU TOOK A MINUTE AND A HALF. 
          >> WALSH: I'M SORRY. >> GARCIA: IN ADDITION TO UTSA, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE COULD ADD TRTF. I KNOW THEY HAVE A CAMPUS PLAN. 
          THAT'S IT. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: SHE'S GAMING THE SHOT CLOCK. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. >> WALSH: SORRY, 
          COUNCILWOMAN. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          >> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HEARD SOME OF THE GOOD QUESTIONS ASKED BY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE. 
          BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND HEARD SO FAR ARE AN EXPLANATION OF DIFFERENT PARTS OF AN MOU AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF BOTH PROJECT MARVEL PLAN AND AN ARENA PLAN. 
          BUT A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN IN THE ABSTRACT. I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'VE THROWN OUT SOME NUMBERS THAT SAY IT COULD COST THIS. BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUT ANY NUMBERS THAT SAY THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN GET AND HOW WE CAN GET IT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT BEN SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS, WHICH REMINDS ME OF THE SAYING: A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES BEGINS WITH THE FIRST STEP. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THAT FIRST STEP. AND SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT FIRST STEP. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING THAT FIRST STEP. AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN WAY OF THE MOU DOESN'T TIE US OR BIND US TO ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE MOU, OTHER THAN THE AGREEMENT TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE CAN PUT THESE PIECES TOGETHER. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE AND I WANT TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD BUT I GUESS I WANT TO ALSO GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I THINK WHAT WE ALL HEAR. AND ONE OF THOSE OBSERVATIONS IS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN THIS. THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE LAVACA, KING WILLIAM, DENVER HEIGHTS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY A LOT OF THIS WORK, ESPECIALLY IF WE PUT IN AN ARENA. AND I KNOW THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED 
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ABOUT AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED PARKING AND TRAFFIC ARE GOING TO BE CONCERNS. 
          WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AND HAVE THAT AS A PRIORITY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD ON MANY OF THE REST OF THESE THINGS. AND THE PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING OF IS COULD PROJECT MARVEL OR THE SPURS ARENA DEVELOPMENT HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT OR EFFECT ON THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES OR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS OR METRO HEALTH OR DELEGATE AGENCY FUNDING? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING AN INVESTMENT OVER TIME OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MAY THAT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE SO MANY IMPORTANT SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT THE INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE COVERED TO THE EXTENT IT DOESN'T DIMINISH ANY OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT SAWS AND THE CHILLED WATER PLANT AND THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THERE HAS TO BE DIVERSIFICATION. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COST OF THAT AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? IS IT GOING TO BE SAWS? IS IT GOING TO BE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? WILL THAT AFFECT SAWS' WATER RATES BECAUSE BUILDING A WHOLE NEW CHILLED WATER PLANT IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN 5 OR 10, 20, OR $50 MILLION, PROBABLY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY FROM UTSA. I HAD NO IDEA THAT PROPERTY WAS WORTH $60 MILLION. 
          FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING IS BASICALLY A PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE ANSWERS, I THINK, TO THOSE QUESTIONS. WE SHOWED ESTIMATES OF COSTS. WHY CAN'T WE FORECAST POSSIBLE CAPITAL RESOURCES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT BUT LET'S ESTABLISH A TIMELINE OR A TIME-FRAME WHEN WE CAN GIVE A REALISTIC COST EXPECTATION FOR 2025, UNDERSTANDING THAT IN '26 AND '27, '28, '29 THOSE CAN GROW. LET'S UNDERSTAND IN TODAY'S DOLLARS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND RECOGNIZING THAT TODAY'S DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TOMORROW OR NEXT YEAR. AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WITH NO PRICE, WITH NO IDEA OF WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM OR HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY. 
          I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST LEFT GUESSING. I WOULD RATHER GIVE THEM SOME HARD NUMBERS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM. OUR FORECAST TODAY IS THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY CAN COME FROM THESE RESOURCES. THIS IS WHAT WE MIGHT ADD FROM OUTSIDE RESOURCES. 
          BUT RECOGNIZING IT'S 2025 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS ISN'T GOING TO GET DONE BEFORE 2028 OR '29 OR 2030. BUT LET'S BE AS FORTHCOMING AND LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE AS MUCH AS WE CAN BUT GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IN GREATER DETAIL. 
          AND SO AS WE TALK ABOUT HAVING MORE FREQUENT MEETINGS ABOUT THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A QUARTER -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT EVERY MONTH. 
          THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH PROGRESS. BUT AT LEAST ONCE A QUARTER THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE UPDATED ON WHERE WE'RE PROGRESSING, BASED ON THE MOU AND THEN BASED ON OUR OWN RESEARCH AND THE SPURS' RESEARCH AND THE COUNTY'S RESEARCH AND THEIR ESTIMATION AND PROGNOSTICATION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE WITH THIS PROJECT WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE. ONE OTHER THING I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT BECAUSE IF WE DO PUT A PRICE ON IT, WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC BECAUSE I THINK MOST PEOPLE THINK EVERYTHING WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AND IT'S GOING TO COST X USUALLY ENDS UP BEING 50% MORE OR 100% MORE THAN THAT. I DON'T WANT US TO COMMIT TO BUILDING AN ARENA AND SAY IT'S GOING TO COST $1.25 BILLION AND FIND OUT IT'S GOING TO COST $2.5 BILLION LATER. 
          I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ESTIMATING AND WE'RE BASING IT ON THE BEST GUESS WE CAN, WE 
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NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T END UP FINDING EVERYTHING WE'RE ESTIMATING THE WHOLE PROJECT AT $3 BILLION OR $4 BILLION IS GOING TO COST US 5 OR 6. THOSE ARE JUST MY OBSERVATION ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD BUT ONE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER, THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST FOUR, MAYBE EVEN FIVE OF US ON THE COUNCIL TODAY WHO WON'T BE HERE IN JULY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EFFORT THAT WE PUT FORWARD WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THOSE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES WE START PLANNING ON THINGS AND WE END UP -- THEY END UP BEING ON A SHELF AND THEY DON'T GET DONE OR THEY DON'T GET DONE THE WAY WE ANTICIPATED. 
          THAT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FROM ME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. >> MAYOR, COUNCILMAN, IF I CAN JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK. ON THE CHILLED WATER PLANT PART OF THAT, THERE WILL BE SOME COST ASSOCIATED WITH RELOCATING THE PLANT TO A NEW LOCATION BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A LOT OF CUSTOMERS TO THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH SAWS ON. TODAY AND HISTORICALLY OVER TIME, WE'VE BEEN ABOUT 70, 75 LOAD ON THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT SO THAT FALLS ON THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE DOME. THE DISTRICT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY -- AND WE WOULD MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT -- THAT THE ARENA, THE COURTHOUSE, ANY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, EVERYTHING IN THAT DISTRICT, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO TIE INTO THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT. 
          NOW YOU TAKE THE FIXED COST AND YOU'RE SPREADING IT OVER A LOT OF CUSTOMERS, THAT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO US LONG TERM. THE OTHER PART IS THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT SYSTEM IS ALMOST RUN LIKE A SEPARATE CORE BUSINESS INSIDE OF SAWS. WE HAVE WATER, WASTEWATER, AND WATER SUPPLY. THE CHILLED WATER CORE BUSINESS IS SUPPOSED TO RECOVER ITS COST, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL WORK TO DO AS PART OF THIS WORK THAT WE'LL BE DOING WITH THEM AS WE LOOK AT PLANNING THAT. AND THEN IF I CAN, MAYOR, JUST HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO GO BACK TO SLIDE 6 REAL QUICK. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED FUNDING AND A PLAN. 
          THIS TABLE IS THE BEGINNING OF THAT CONVERSATION. SO THE PROJECTS ARE THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT RANGES. THOSE RANGES WILL START TO SHRINK. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. ONCE WE FINISH THAT FEASIBILITY, THAT NUMBER WILL NARROW. WE WON'T BE UNDER DESIGN, BUT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO NARROW. AS WE START TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE COST OF THE LAND BRIDGE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE ACQUISITION OF THE GSA PROPERTY, WE'LL START TO FILL THAT IN. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS A PRIORITY, ABSOLUTELY IS A PRIORITY. WE KNOW THERE ARE CHALLENGES GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW. LORI'S LEADING A TEAM LOOKING AT THAT. AND WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRIORITY AND BE DONE IN PHASES. THE FUNDING SOURCES ACROSS THE TOP REPRESENT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TO FUND THE EARLY PHASES. THERE ARE NO GENERAL FUND DOLLARS IN HERE TO SUPPORT CAPITAL OR TO FUND THESE PROJECTS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. BUT THIS WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND GET FILLED IN AS WE DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION. 
          THAT IS OUR GOAL AS PART OF THE UPDATES. YOU'LL GET MORE AND MORE ALONG 
          THOSE LINES. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK 
          YOU, BEN. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, LORI, ANDY, BEN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I REALLY VALUE PROJECT MARVEL AND I TOO AM FOR A STRONG DOWNTOWN. 
          AT THE SAME TIME NOT AT THE COST OF LEAVING SAN ANTONIO FAMILIES BEYOND DOWNTOWN BEHIND. AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS I'M REFLECTING ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HEAR AT DISTRICT 5 BUDGET TOWN HALLS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THOSE TOP FIVE PRIORITIES THAT SAN ANTONIANS HAVE EXPRESSED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT INVEST IN WHICH RANGES FROM HOUSING, HOMELESS SERVICES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND SO MUCH MORE. AND WHEN I SEE THE CREATIVITY TO COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN LIKE PROJECT MARVEL, I'M DISAPPOINTED WE CAN'T SEE THE SAME CREATIVITY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID -- I KNOW I HAVE CITED THIS WITH OTHER PRESENTATIONS ON DIFFERENT STADIUMS -- IS THAT THE STUDIES SHOW THAT 83% OF ECONOMISTS SURVEYED AGREED THAT PROVIDING STATE AND LOCAL SUBSIDIES TO BUILDING STADIUMS FOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAMS IS LIKELY TO COST THE TAXPAYERS MORE THAN ANY ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT ARE GENERATED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC FUNDING MECHANISMS, WHETHER IT'S THE PFC, THE TIRZ THAT HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT 
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THEY CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS, I KNOW THE BRAINS EXIST TO BE CREATIVE IN TACKLING THOSE ISSUES THAT MATTER THE MOST TO SAN ANTONIANS. WHILE I VALUE THIS CHART ON SLIDE 6, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. JUST BECAUSE A FUND OF TIRZ IS CREATED THAT CAPTURES THOSE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BEFORE THEY HIT THE GENERAL FUND, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE PUBLIC DOLLARS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO ENSURE -- AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE WITHIN THE MOU THAT THERE IS A STIPULATION AROUND ESTABLISHING A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. MY EXPECTATION THAT IT IS COMMUNITY THAT'S ESTABLISHING THOSE BENEFITS AND NOT NECESSARILY A SUBSIDIARY OR SOMEONE REPRESENTING COMMUNITY WHO IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THOSE IMPACTED THE MOST BY THE PROJECT. 
          I THINK ABOUT THE RELOCATING THE CHILLING PLANT DURING THE MUNICIPAL UTILITIES COMMITTEE I ASKED SAWS HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO RELOCATE AND THE ESTIMATE THEY GAVE WAS 60 TO $80 MILLION. AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAN ANTONIANS STILL ON SEPTIC TANKS WHO DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE TO BE CONNECTED TO WATER OR SEWAGE AND HERE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES WHILE SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO NOT BE CONNECTED TO BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY PAY INTO AND THAT THEY DESERVE. SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY BUT I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF WORK TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF WHERE OUR PUBLIC DOLLARS SHOULD BE GOING. AGAIN, ALSO GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE PLEDGED THROUGHOUT THIS, WHICH IS THE AD VALOREM TAX, WHICH IS ALSO TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS PROJECT. I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE INVEST INTO THE CONVENTION CENTER, INTO THE ALAMODOME. THE PUBLIC ASSETS THAT REMAIN PUBLIC, I THINK WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THE OVERALL INTEGRITY OF THOSE STRUCTURES BUT I ALSO SEE THAT WITHIN SOME OF THESE -- ON SLIDE 6, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE ALAMODOME, THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR PRIVATE INVESTMENT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANY PRIVATIZATION OF THESE PUBLIC SPACES, WHETHER IT'S HEMISFAIR PARK OR THE ALAMODOME OR ANY OF THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO AND I WANT TO ENSURE THE FOLKS WHO WORK THERE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE CITY. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOLKS LOSING THEIR JOBS AND SEEING THAT SOME OF THESE HAVE PRIVATE INVESTMENT GIVES ME CONCERN AND PAUSE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A NON-BINDING AGREEMENT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE BRIEFINGS, MORE CONVERSATIONS, MORE CONTRACTS THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED AS THESE PIECES MOVE ALONG BUT I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHILE THESE PIECES ARE MOVING ALONG THAT I'M CLEAR IN MY POSITION THAT IF THERE IS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT WORKERS HAVE A RIGHT TO UNIONIZE, IF THERE IS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THAT THEIR MINIMUM WAGE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND INCREASE AS THE CITY'S MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ASKS I HAVE HAD. 
          IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, I KNOW THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL. 
          NOTHING HAS BEEN SECURED, NOTHING IS MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY GIVING ERIK THE OKAY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS TO MAKE SURE THESE ASKS ARE SECURED BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE TO ENSURE THAT THESE PROJECTS BE BUILT BY LOCAL UNIONIZED LABOR. AGAIN, THERE'S SO MANY EXAMPLES THAT I COULD POINT TO ON WHAT NOT TO DO AND PIECES THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT WITHIN THIS MOU AND TO END UP SECURING FOR SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT BETWEEN LABOR AND THE DEVELOPERS OF THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS FOOTBALL STADIUM DELIVERED BOTH GOOD JOBS AND NEW CAREERS FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR AND WOMEN AND VETERANS. 
          THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXCEED GOALS BY HIRING LOCAL AND USING UNIONIZED LABOR. 
          THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR THE MILWAUKEE BUCKS ARENA INCLUDED A LABOR PIECE PROVISION WHICH LED WORKERS TO FORM A UNION. THE MILWAUKEE SERVICE AND HOSPITALITY WORKERS MARCHED TO NEGOTIATE LEADING TO HIGHER QUALITY JOBS FOR THE CITY. 
          THOSE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF MY EXPECTATIONS OF ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SUPPORT SAN ANTONIANS WITH THIS PROJECT. AGAIN, EMPHASIZING THE PUBLIC COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN, I KNOW FOLKS HAVE ALREADY HIT ON THIS PIECE. 
          CITY AND COUNTY PARTNERSHIP IS A MUST BECAUSE THE CITY-COUNTY PARTNERSHIP ENSURES THERE IS A PUBLIC VOTE AND THAT SAN ANTONIANS AND BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET THEIR ELECTEDS KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OR OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT. 
          THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP I HOPE TO SEE CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          ULTIMATELY, I HEAR THE CONCERNS FROM MY COLLEAGUES REGARDING THE GREEN SPACE, WILLOW SPRINGS. AND HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER THAT OVERSEES THIS AREA WAS NOT INCLUDED IN CONVERSATION AND LEARNING THAT THE COUNTY 
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COMMISSIONER THAT OVERSEES THIS AREA WAS ALSO NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE CONVERSATION, TO ME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT, IT'S ANTI-DEMOCRATIC AND I NEED TO ENSURE THAT MOVING FORWARD THAT THERE'S A COMMITMENT THAT THE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THAT AREA ARE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITIES THE MOST IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD DESTABILIZATION, INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES, AND SO MUCH MORE. 
          BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS MOVING ALONG. 
          WE HAVE THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT LINE. WE HAVE PROJECT MARVEL AND A LOT OF ECONOMIC INVESTMENT GOING ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND THESE ARE ACCELERATORS FOR COMMUNITY DISPLACEMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THE PIECE LAID OUT AROUND DEVELOPING A FRAMEWORK TO ACCELERATE ESSENTIALLY A HOUSING BOND, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE WITH URGENCY TO PLAN AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING COMMUNITY WITH THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO ENSURE THAT AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO GROWS AND THE DOWNTOWN GROWS AND THAT THE FOLKS THAT LIVE AROUND DOWNTOWN CAN AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE. 
          AND I THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BRIDGE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE GRANT AND THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES REQUIR EMENT FOR THE GRANT, IT EMPHASIZES THAT OF COURSE THE PRIMARY GOAL IS FOR THE RECONNECTING PROGRAM TO RECONNECT COMMUNITIES HARMED BY PAST TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS THROUGH COMMUNITY-I WANT A BRIDGE TO GET TO STADIUM FOR A CONCERT. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES GRANT, I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIN TRACKS THAT DISTRICT 2 HAS AND HOW CAN YOU CONNECT THOSE TWO PIECES. SO I THINK AT THE CENTER OF PROJECT MARVEL, THE BRIDGE, AND ALL THESE MOVING PIECES SHOULD BE COMMUNITY AND SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS. AND I'M HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES THE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AND DIALOGUE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. BUT I THINK THE WILLOW SPRINGS PIECE IS AN AREA THAT I'M HEARING IS ONE THAT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE AND I'M HOPEFUL THERE CAN BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY TO MAINTAIN THAT GREEN SPACE AND ALLOW THE ELECTEDS OF THAT AREA TO HAVE A SAY ON WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPECT FROM THIS PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. 
          COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. >> WHYTE: THANKS, MAYOR. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE TO BEGIN BUT WITH TWO VERY, VERY CLEAR FACTS, AT LEAST FROM THE WAY I SEE IT. 
          THE FIRST BEING WE CANNOT, WE SHOULD NOT, AND WE WILL NOT RAISE TAXES ON OUR CITIZENS TO FUND ANY OF THIS. THAT'S GOT TO BE NUMBER ONE. OUR CITIZENS HAVE HAD A CPS RATE HIKE PUT ON THEM TWICE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS AND SO, AGAIN, WE SHOULD NOT, CANNOT, AND WE WILL NOT RAISE OUR CITIZENS' TAXES AND PUT THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS ON OUR CITIZENS. 
          THAT'S GOT TO BE NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD TAKE NOTE THAT THIS ENTIRE BODY, THIS ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL HAS AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO DO RIGHT BY THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS. THE SPURS EMBODY EVERYTHING THAT IS RIGHT ABOUT SAN ANTONIO. TEAMWORK, HARD WORK, GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT IS SAN ANTONIO AND THAT IS WHAT THE SPURS ARE. AND THEY DESERVE A WORLD-CLASS FACILITY. IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF IT WAS HERE IN DOWNTOWN. 
          AND I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I ARE COMMITTED TO DOING WHAT WE CAN TO DO RIGHT BY THE SPURS. THAT LEAVES US IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES TODAY, GIVEN THOSE TWO FACTS, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD. AND TO BE BLUNT, THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERS UNDERSTANDING -- AND I'VE HEARD IT TODAY. 
          OH, IT'S NON-BINDING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THIS RECOMMEND 
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MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS A HOLLOW DOCUMENT AND I'LL TELL YOU IT'S A LITTLE BIT EMBARRASSING THAT AFTER A YEAR OF LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT REALLY SAYS NOTHING TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY SAID BEFORE. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR VOTERS, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO TAKE A VOTE, LIKELY THIS NOVEMBER, AND EACH ONE OF US AT OUR VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS, I KNOW ARE BEING ASKED CONSISTENTLY FOR THE DETAILS BEHIND THIS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED. AND NONE OF US HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO BE MORE UP FRONT WITH THE CITIZENS. WE HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          THEY NEED ALL THE INFORMATION POSSIBLE AND THEY DESERVE IT BEFORE THEY GO TO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY -- AND I LIKE THIS -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT GET THE FINAL SAY ON THIS. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN HANDLED TERRIBLY AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE FAULT OF THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS. 
          THIS AGAIN SPEAKS TO A PROBLEM THAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST 20-PLUS MONTHS. 
          AND IT'S OUR CITY'S INABILITY -- AND IT'S THE SAME FOR THE COUNTY. 
          FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T GET ALONG AND WORK IN A MORE PRODUCTIVE MANNER WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS. AND TO BE AT THIS FOR A YEAR AND ONLY HAVE THIS TO SHOW FOR IT, IT SPEAKS TO THAT PROBLEM. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY ON THE HOMELESS ISSUE PLAGUING OUR AREA. WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM WITH THE LIBRARIES AND NOW WE HAVE THIS. AND THERE'S COUNTLESS OTHER ISSUES TOO. WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY MOVING FORWARD. 
          WHOEVER IS SITTING ON THIS DAIS AND WHOEVER IS WORKING IN THESE OFFICES HERE AT CITY HALL TO DO BETTER IN TERMS OF HOW WE RELATE WITH OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SAN ANTONIANS. I SAID IT BEFORE WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT ALL OF THIS HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR OUR AREA. AND I WANT IT TO GO FORWARD. 
          WE HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE -- AND I WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE INCONSISTENCIES AND VAGUENESS IN THE DOCUMENT. YOU LOOK AT THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND IT TALKS ABOUT VENUE TAX FUNDING AND IT SAYS THE VENUE TAX WILL BE THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS. SOME OF THE PROJECTS, AS THEY ARE DEFINED IN THIS DOCUMENT. 
          AND YOU HAVE THE ARENA IN HERE. YOU HAVE THE ALAMODOME IN HERE. YOU'VE GOT THE CONVENTION CENTER IN HERE. 
          AND WHAT YOU ALSO HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT IS THE COLISEUM AND THE FROST BANK CENTER. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S DEFINED AS THE PROJECT IN HERE. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO SLIDE 6, WHICH IS A BACKUP DOCUMENT, AND WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS CHART, IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF PROJECTS. HERE YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WE KNOW THE COUNTY WANTS SOME OF THAT VENUE TAX FUNDING TO GO TOWARDS THE COLISEUM AND THE FROST BANK CENTER. AND IT'S NOT IN THIS BACK-UP DOCUMENT WHERE THE CHART IS. I COULD SPEND MY NEXT 2 MINUTES AND 56 SECONDS GOING OVER VAGUE AREAS OF THIS MOU AND INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN IT AND THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTS. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. I'M ONLY GOING TO SAY THAT TOMORROW WHEN WE LOOK AT GIVING ERIK THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND ENTER AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY, MY HOPE IS THAT WE 
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GET A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IN THIS DOCUMENT. WHETHER IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE GO TO SLIDE 6, UPDATE IT PERHAPS, MAKE IT MATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE MOU RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE CHART. 
          BUT WE COULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL. 
          BECAUSE WHAT OUR CITIZENS FEAR THE MOST IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER AND THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING ONLY TO BE TOLD A YEAR OR 18 MONTHS OR TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT, YEAH, IT'S NOT QUITE GOING TO BE EXACTLY WHAT WE TOLD YOU IT WAS BACK THEN. BEN, I HEAR YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW EVERY LAST DETAIL AND EVERY SPECIFIC -- BY THE WAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLEX STUFF AND YOU LAY IT OUT IN THE BEST MANNER POSSIBLE. 
          I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. MY POINT IS JUST I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE EVERY ANSWER TODAY BUT WE SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT TODAY GIVING MORE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          MOVING FORWARD, IF WE GET INTO THIS MOU WITH THE COUNTY -- WHICH, AGAIN, I HOPE THAT WE DO BECAUSE THIS COULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR SAN ANTONIO. AFTER THAT, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED TODAY, WE NEED REGULAR UPDATES TO OUR CITIZENS. 
          WE NEED ALL THE INFORMATION IN THEIR HANDS AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR OTHERWISE. OUR CITIZENS DEMAND IT. THEY EXPECT IT AND WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GIVE IT TO THEM. THIS CAN BE A WIN FOR THE COUNTY, A WIN FOR OUR CITY, A WIN FOR OUR BELOVED BASKETBALL TEAM. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE COURSE 
          OF THE LAST YEAR. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK 
          YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE IDEA OF A DOWNTOWN SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT HAS INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL TO SHAPE OUR CITY'S FUTURE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN WORK INTO EXPLORING THE VISION AND THERE'S CERTAINLY EXCITING POSSIBILITIES FOR WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR THE AREA. 
          EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON INVESTMENT DOWNTOWN BENEFITS THE WHOLE CITY. 
          I KNOW THAT. THE FACT REMAINS THAT OUR COMMUNITY FEELS LIKE THERE ARE QUESTIONS LEFT UNANSWERED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I KNOW THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO AS FAR AS NEGOTIATIONS. I DON'T NEED TO BE REMINDED THE MOU IS NOT BINDING. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS UP FRONT TO MITIGATE ANY FUTURE ISSUES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE PUBLIC AND EVEN SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE DARK AND I THINK HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS IN PUBLIC BEFORE WE ENTER INTO AN MOU AGREEMENT IS IMPORTANT. WHILE PEOPLE SAY LET'S JUST DO THE MOU AND KEEP MOVING, I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY WE'RE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AFTER THE FIRST BIG STEP HAS BEEN TAKEN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BRINGING THIS CONVERSATION TO THE PUBLIC AND ADDRESS POTENTIAL ISSUES BEFORE THEY GET TOO BIG TO AVOID. SINCE MUCH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE ON THE EASTSIDE, WE NEED TO CREATE SPACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS TO BE AT THE TABLE. SO I JUST A RHETORICAL QUESTION. 
          HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT OUR LOCAL AND LEGACY BUSINESSES WHO HAVE ALREADY DEALT WITH SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION AND FINANCIAL LOSS WILL NOT BE DISREGARDED? I THINK THE ANSWER IS ENGAGEMENT. I UNDERSTAND PART OF THE MOU INCLUDES THE CITY POSSIBLY LOSING WILLOW SPRINGS AND I SAY LOSING BUT REALLY IT'S GIVING IT AWAY. 
          THAT'S OUR OLDEST GOLF COURSE. IT'S WHERE THE TEXAS OPEN WAS PLAYED AND A LARGE AREA OF GREEN SPACE IN THAT COMMUNITY. FOR ME THAT'S A NONSTARTER. WHAT ROLE DO OUR COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS GET TO PLAY IN SHAPING THE PLAN? I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRIEFING US AND I THINK THAT'S A WISE DECISION. WE SHOULD GET REGULAR BRIEFINGS 
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FORWARD BEFORE WE HAVE A GOOD STRONG COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN. 
          IT WAS MENTIONED WE SHOULD WANT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE -- TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY AND IT'S ALL THE MORE REASON WHY WE SHOULD BE AS OPEN AND ENGAGING WITH SAN ANTONIANS AS POSSIBLE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING RIGHT OFF THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND HEARING ALL ABOUT THIS AND IF THIS FIRST STEP IS A MISSTEP, THEN IT COULD BE WITHDRAWN. IT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY. 
          SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT NOT JUST THAT BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL SUPPORT NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT BUT THE EVERYDAY NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS, TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND ACCESSIBILITY SHOULDN'T BE OVERLOOKED. I KNOW THAT'S NOT NOW FOR THE MOU BUT GOING FORWARD WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND HAVING A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR SUSTAINABILITY. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO -- I GUESS -- WELL, THE COUNTY IS NOT HERE, RIGHT? I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY BUT I DO UNDERSTAND AND I DO BELIEVE ALL THREE PARTIES, THE SPURS, CITY, AND THE COUNTY ALL WANT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE EASTSIDE. I BELIEVE THEY WANT A PLAN THAT WILL BENEFIT THE EASTSIDEERS AND THE AREA WE'RE LEAVING BEHIND. 
          WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THERE'S SUCH A BIG POINT OF CONTENTION OVER WILLOW SPRINGS. SO IF WE ALL HAVE KIND OF THE END GOAL IN MIND, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EASTSIDE IS BEING REPRESENTED, I THINK MAYBE WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THERE IS A BETTER IDEA, INCLUDING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          THERE WAS A NOTE ABOUT THE ITC THAT UTSA HAS THE FIRST RIGHT OF PURCHASE, IS THAT CORRECT, FOR THE ITC? SO WHY IN THIS MOU CAN'T WE MENTION THAT MAYBE THE COUNTY HAS A FIRST RIGHT OF CONVEYANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE. AGAIN, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY. I THINK SAYING THAT PUBLIC INPUT SPECIFICALLY FROM FOLKS ON THE EASTSIDE SHOULD HAPPEN AFTER THAT FIRST STEP IS A MISSTEP. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLY. MAYBE YOU ALL CAN ANSWER THIS, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE MOU HAS TO BE APPROVED TOMORROW. WHAT DELAY DOES IT CAUSE DOWN THE ROAD THAT COULD PUT THIS PROJECT IN JEOPARDY? BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CLEAR AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS PROJECT IN JEOPARDY BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN 
          ANSWER THAT. COOL. >> WALSH: I'LL ANSWER IT QUICKLY. I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO STAY ON A TRACK BUT THERE IS NO IMPENDING DEADLINE THAT'S GOING TO HIT US ON FRIDAY IS THE ANSWER. 
          >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU. THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT BUILDING THE ARENA OR THE DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN, WHICH I AM FAVOR OF. 
          I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, NOT FAST. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT BUILDING A FUTURE FOR ALL OF US AS SAN ANTONIANS AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE ALL OF SAN ANTONIO IN THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. 
          COUNCILMEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE TWO POINTS TO BRING UP. 
          A LOT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY MY COLLEAGUES. THAT IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, CONCERNS THAT INCLUDE DESTROYING THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND DISPLACING RESIDENTS, SPURS MOVING MULTIPLE TIMES. HOW DO WE KNOW THEY WON'T MOVE AGAIN? ENDLESS CONSTRUCTION DOWNTOWN. DETRACTING FROM INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED IT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY. AND ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH HOW WE ARE MESSAGING THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS PROJECT IS EXCITING. THIS PROJECT IS TRANSFORMATIONAL TO DOWNTOWN BUT WE NEED TO GET THESE BASIC CONCERNS OUT OF THE WAY FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN BE SUPPORTIVE. COUNCILMAN WHYTE SAID I'M REALLY GLAD WE DO HAVE THE COUNTY AS PARTNERS SO THIS CAN BE TAKEN TO A VOTE SO RESIDENTS WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THIS. THE SECOND PIECE I WANT TO BRING UP TIES INTO IT IS WITH THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY. SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES. 
          I LOVE THAT CHART WITH THE CHECK MARKS WITH THE POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. 
          I FEEL THAT RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW EVERY STEP OF THE WAY IF AND HOW THEIR TAX DOLLARS, WHETHER CITY OR COUNTY, WILL BE IMPACTED. YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT WE AS A CITY ENTITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS NEED TO WORK HEARD TO GET RESIDENTS' BUY-IN. 
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THE SECOND PART IS AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING DOWNTOWN. 
          I THINK MAYBE COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN OR SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS. 
          WE ALL KNOW HOW CRAZY IT IS TO GET DOWNTOWN WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE ADDING VENUES IN ALL OF THESE ATTRACTIONS DOWNTOWN, HOW THAT WILL CHANGE. AND I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A VERY CONCEPTUAL STAGE -- AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LORI OR BEN. 
          HOW ARE WE KEEPING PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH VIA IN THE PLANNING PROCESS? AND MAKING SURE THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG FACTORS? 
          >> HOUSTON: WHEN WE PRESENTED IN LATE NOVEMBER, WE SHARED WITH COUNCIL WE WERE GOING TO INITIATE THE PARKING FEASIBILITY STUDY AND TRANSPORTATION STUDY AND WE'RE DOING DIFFERENT MODELS BASED ON HAVING ONE EVENT AT THE ALAMODOME AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE JUST ONE EVENT AT THE ARENA. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BOTH HAPPEN. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ADD DIWALI. 
          THAT IS OCCURRING AND WE'RE COMING UP WITH A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT COULD CHANGE THE RATES OF THAT TRAFFIC. WE TYPICALLY HAVE A SCORING SYSTEM FOR INTERSECTIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S UNDERWAY. ANOTHER THING IS LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE PARKING PLAN THAT GETS CARS AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHERE THE CONGESTION OCCURS ON CESAR CHAVEZ GOING INTO LAVACA AND KING WILLIAM. WE'RE WORKING ON A FEW ITEMS WHERE WE CAN IDENTIFY PODS OF PARKING. AT THE ALAMODOME THERE'S ABOUT 3500 SPACES THERE, I BELIEVE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THOSE SPACES, THEY WILL BE BUILT INTO OTHER PROJECTS. BUT HOW CAN WE ADD MORE SPACES THERE. 
          AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON SOME OF THE PARKING THAT EXISTS AT RIVER CENTER MALL. THEY HAVE AROUND 2,000 SPACES THERE . 
          WE KNOW THAT THE ALAMO AND ITC MIGHT NEED ANOTHER GARAGE AND HOW DO WE EXPAND THAT. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE EVENING AND ON WEEKENDS. AND SO WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE IN ABOUT TWO TO THREE MONTHS. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US BEFORE IT GETS PRESENTED. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          AS BEN MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO DO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. 
          >> GAVITO: ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO STRESS IS ACCESS TO MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. 
          PARKING IS GOING TO BE GREAT FOR SOME BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COULD UBER OR LYFT OR TAKE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE THAT WE COULD BE CREATIVE ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO CLARIFY IS THE CITY IS ONLY GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY GOING TO BE DONE AND NOT WITH GENERAL FUND DOLLARS ALLOCATED 
          TO THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> WALSH: YES, MA'AM. 
          >> GAVITO: AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE NOT TAKING AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE WAITED FOR YEARS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TO BE COMPLETED. TAKING ALL OF THIS INTO ACCOUNT, THE FINAL POINT I WANT TO STRESS IS THIS: THAT IF, YES, IF THE CITY, COUNTY, AND THE SPURS DON'T GET OUR ACT TOGETHER HERE, WE DO RISK LOSING THE SPURS. 
          THE SPURS ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, PART OF OUR CULTURE. 
          TO ME WHAT MATTERS MOST IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THE SPURS HAVE ON OUR CITY. 
          WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THE SPURS AND THE JOBS THAT RESIDENTS RELY ON LEAVE SAN ANTONIO. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NEARLY A $4 BILLION VALUATION AND WE MUST MAKE THE PROPER -- AS A CITY AND COUNTY, WE MUST MAKE THE PROPER INVESTMENTS TO RETAIN THE SPURS. AND IF IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY, PROJECT MARVEL COULD PLAY A KEY ROLE IN REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN. I HEAR COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING A VOICE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM IN. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE DISTRICT 2 COUNCILMAN AND THE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRECINCT IT IS FOR THAT SIDE. IS IT PRECINCT 1 OR 4? ONE OF THEM. 
          IN TO HAVE A VOICE. I WOULD BE JUST AS UPSET IF WE'RE MAKING PLANS FOR WOODLAWN LAKE AND NO ONE'S CONSULTING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER. WHOEVER IT IS. 
          NOT NECESSARILY COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ BUT THE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I DID WANT TO ECHO HIS CONCERN AND SENTIMENT ON THAT. I ALSO DID WANT TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S POINT ON THE SAME ENERGY AND INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY THAT 
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WE'RE BRINGING TO PROJECT MARVEL NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH SOME OF THE LONG STANDING ISSUES WE HAVE HAD WITH THE CITY. WE CAN'T GET COMPLACENT ON THE THINGS THAT MATTER THE MOST TO RESIDENTS AND SO WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, THE BRAINS AND THE SKILL SET TO DO IT. AND IF WE CAN SEE THAT WE CAN MOVE FAST ON PROJECT MARVEL OR FAST ON THE AIRPORT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FAST ON ISSUES THAT IMPACT RESIDENTS' DAILY LIVES. AND I KNOW MOST OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES SAID THIS BUT, YES, REGULAR BRIEFINGS ARE A MUST. I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH THIS: I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOU AND I TRUST ERIK TO NEGOTIATE IT AND PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED WITH HOW THIS GOES. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. 
          >> PELAEZ: THANK YOU. I SEE RENEE DOMINGUEZ IN THE ROOM. 
          IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU. MY FAVORITE RIVER AUTHORITY COMMISSIONER IS BACK THERE. 
          HI, LISA. BECAUSE RENEE IS HERE, I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE FOR US TO NOT INVOLVE VELOCITY SOONER THAN LATER AND TALK ABOUT WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT MARVEL FOOTPRINT. 
          VELOCITY HAS BEEN WORKING HARD ON PLACEMAKING AND INVESTING ON THE EASTSIDE. 
          AND THEY'VE MADE A REALLY BIG BET AND I THINK THEY'VE EARNED THEIR RIGHT TO BE AT THE TABLE. AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GET REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND IMAGINATIVE WITH VELOCITY ON WAYS WE CAN MAKE THE PROJECT EVEN BETTER. 
          AND SO, RENEE, YOU'RE INVITED TO THE TABLE. THERE'S A PLACE SET FOR YOU. 
          NUMBER TWO, ANDY, GOING TO ALL THESE CANDIDATE FORUMS THAT ALL OF US GO TO IS, ASIDE FROM BEING EXHAUSTING, WE'RE HEARING THIS MANTRA BEING REPEATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          AND THAT IS COUNCILWOMAN TERI CASTILLO HAS SIGNED ALL THE NDAS -- I'M KIDDING. 
          THEY'RE SAYING ALL OF US SIGNED ALL THE NDAS. ANDY, HAS THE MAYOR SIGNED AN 
          NDA IN RELATION TO THIS PROJECT? >> SEGOVIA: NO, HE HAS NOT. 
          >> PELAEZ: HAS ANY COUNCIL MEMBER SIGNED AN NDA RELATED TO THIS PROJECT? 
          >> NO COUNCIL MEMBER HAS SIGNED AN NDA RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. 
          >> PELAEZ: ERIK? LORI, BEN? >> SEGOVIA: THEY HAVEN'T 
          SIGNED ONE EITHER. >> PELAEZ: I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT AT THE VERY LEAST WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE AND BEING RESPECTFUL WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T TRUE. 
          I BRING UP THE NDA ARGUMENT BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, EVEN IF THERE WERE NDAS, MY 
          UNDERSTANDING IS THE LAW DOESN'T GIVE THEM MUCH WEIGHT. >> SEGOVIA: THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO REINFORCE THAT. YES, THE TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT IS WHAT GOVERNS THE CITY'S ABILITY TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION AND IT WOULD OVERRIDE ANY NDA THE CITY WOULD SIGN. OBVIOUSLY THE TPIA HAS EXCEPTIONS, BASED ON SOUND POLICY REASONS OF WHEN WE DON'T DISCLOSE BUT, YES, TPIA WOULD TRUMP ANY NDA WE WOULD SIGN. AND THE NDAS THAT WERE SIGNED, MANY OF THEM WERE WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND DEVELOPERS SO THEY DON'T GET AHEAD OF US DISCLOSING INFORMATION. 
          >> PELAEZ: SO THEY DON'T SELL OUR SECRET SAUCE TO OTHER CITIES? 
          >> SEGOVIA: THAT'S CORRECT. >> PELAEZ: THE SECOND THING, ANDY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR OBLIGATIONS. THERE'S NO CLOCK TICKING THAT IF WE DON'T DO A DEAL BY THIS DATE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE IN COURT OR WE WILL HAVE BREACHED OUR DUTIES TO THE CITY. 
          >> SEGOVIA: NO, COUNCILMAN. THERE'S NO SUCH HAMMER HANGING OVER US IN TERMS OF TIMING. 
          >> PELAEZ: AND WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY DEALS WITH ANYBODY YET? 
          >> SEGOVIA: NO, COUNCILMAN. >> PELAEZ: I HAVE NO QUARREL WITH THE SPEED AT WHICH THIS MACHINE HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD. AND I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY -- I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE THAT THE WHEEL OF GOVERNMENT GRINDS VERY SLOW BUT IT GRINDS FINE. 
          AND IT DOES THAT BECAUSE WE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE A HEIGHTENED STANDARD OF CARE SINCE WE'RE STEWARDS OF PUBLIC DOLLARS. WHEREAS BOBBY HAS AN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND HE CAN WRITE A CHECK TOMORROW, IF HE WANTS TO, BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE DOLLARS HE'S GOT OVER THERE. IF TOYOTA WANTS TO SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN IT BY THE PUBLIC. THERE'S PROCESSES INTERNALLY BUT PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND PRIVATE AGENCIES HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND AGILITY TO BE 
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ABLE TO GET THINGS DONE. AND SO, YES, GOVERNMENT IS SLOW AT GETTING THESE THINGS DONE. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE ARE INTENTIONALLY SLOW, LIKE WE'RE BEING THIS TIME, IN TAKING THOSE FIRST VERY IMPORTANT STEPS BECAUSE WE ARE CALLING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL ABOUT THIS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS EFFORT JUST TO GIVE ERIK PERMISSION TO BEGIN A CONVERSATION WITH A COUNTY AND THE SPURS. I MEAN, ERIK ALREADY HAS BOBBY'S PHONE NUMBER. 
          ERIK KNOWS HOW TO REACH PETER SAKAI AND DAVID SMITH BUT WE'RE TAKING A VOTE TO GIVE HIM AUTHORIZATION TO BEGIN FORMALLY EXCHANGING IDEAS. THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. AND THERE'S NO MANUFACTURED DEADLINE TO WHICH ANY OF US ARE BEHOLDEN. I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY HOLD ME TO A MANUFACTURED DEADLINE. LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HAVRDA JUST SAID WISELY, WE'VE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO GET IT FAST. 
          AND I KNOW THAT OUR FRIENDS FROM THE MEDIA ARE BACK THERE. MOLLY AND GARRETT, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT US TO FEED YOU A JUICY TIDBIT TO REPORT ON AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR SENSE OF URGENCY TO GET SOMETHING OUT THERE EVERY DAY BUT THAT'S NOT A MANNY PELAEZ PROBLEM, THAT'S A YOU PROBLEM. I ONLY HAVE ONE OBLIGATION AND THAT IS TO GET IT RIGHT AND IF IT COMES AT THE COST OF FRUSTRATING OUR FRIENDS AT THE MEDIA THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO COVER SOMETHING ELSE, SORRY, NOT SORRY. WE'RE WORKING SLOW AND INTENTIONALLY AND DELIBERATE TO MAKE SURE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND ALL INTERESTS. AND SO AS FAR AS NON-STARTERS GO, WILLOW CREEK FOR ME IS A NON-STARTER . I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BOBBY. PLEASE TAKE THAT BACK TO YOUR TEAM. 
          I DON'T MIND EXPLORING THE IDEA AND HAVING A CONVERSATION BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE WHY THE EASTSIDE NEEDS TO GIVE UP ITS GOLF COURSE. WILLOW SPRINGS. 
          AND BUT IF THERE'S WAYS TO ENHANCE THAT, IF THERE'S WAYS TO ADD VALUE TO IT, I'M WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT THAT'S THE ONE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT'S GOT ME WRINGING MY HANDS. I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY FOR THIS PROJECT TO SUCCEED FOR US TO PUT ANY FINGERPRINTS ON THAT, OTHER THAN IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT GOLF COURSE. THE OTHER NON-STARTER FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, IF ANY TAXPAYER'S PROPERTY TAX CHECK IS GOING TO COME INTO THE CITY COFFERS, THAT MONEY CAN'T BE USED FOR A SINGLE BRICK OR A DOLLOP OF MORTAR TO BUILD THE STADIUM. IT JUST CAN'T. 
          I DON'T WANT THAT AND I'LL RESIST THAT. THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER WAYS FOR US TO GET CREATIVE WITH THE FINANCING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL THESE ASSETS AND I DON'T THINK THE MONEY THAT MRS. MARTINEZ IN DISTRICT 4 SENDS UP TO ALBERT URESTI, THAT THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE USED FOR A STADIUM THAT QUITE HONESTLY SHE MAY NEVER ATTEND A GAME IN. AND I WANT THAT MONEY TO BE USED FOR HER SIDEWALKS, STREETS, AND HER COPS. BUT I THINK YOU'RE HEARING MUCH OF THE SAME FROM EVERYBODY UP HERE. WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THAT ALL OF US ARE VERY CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE CAUTIOUS IS BECAUSE WE GO TO THE TOWN HALLS. PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AT GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? THEY GOT PLENTY OF REASONS TO BE ANGRY AT GOVERNMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, SAN ANTONIANS ARE ANGRY ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM 25 YEARS AGO. AND PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO DISAGREE WITH ME BUT I REMEMBER IN THE '90S WE WERE LIED TO. ALL OF US WERE. 
          I REMEMBER THOSE LIES. PEOPLE STOOD UP, MY ELECTED OFFICIALS STOOD UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. THIS WILL BE A RENAISSANCE FOR THE EASTSIDE. THAT THIS WILL DEVELOP INTO JOBS AND APARTMENTS AND ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL THINGS. NONE OF THOSE CAME TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THOSE FOLKS ARE EITHER DEAD OR IN A NURSING HOME NOW AND SO YOU CAN'T BRING THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THE SNAKE OIL THEY WERE PEDDLING. BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FACE THAT ANGER AND SAY, YEAH, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FEEL LIKE YOU WERE SOLD SOMETHING UNDER FALSE PRETENSES. THAT ANGER IS REAL AND IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO DENY THAT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE FEEL. ESPECIALLY WHEN I FEEL THE SAME WAY. 
          BUT WHAT IT IS NOT, HOWEVER, IS NOT LEADERSHIP FOR US TO SAY, WELL, THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE 
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NEVER GOING TO LOOK FORWARD. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE. I THINK WE CAN HAVE A VERY RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE DECADES AGO, THAT CONTINUE TO BE MADE, AND THE VERY INTENTIONAL DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF THAT SIDE OF TOWN AND WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT AT THE SAME TIME IMAGINING A SAN ANTONIO THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. I'M REMIND YOU ALL THE FAN EXPERIENCE THAT LORI WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S FANTASTIC. INSIDE THE BUILDING, IT'S FANTASTIC. EVERYBODY HAS FUN BUT THE MINUTE YOU LEAVE, WHAT IS THE EXPERIENCE? THE EXPERIENCE IS YOU GET IN YOUR CAR AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DEPUTY SHERIFFS SMACKING YOUR HOOD AND SNARLING AT YOU AND TRYING TO GET YOU THE HELL OUT OF THE EASTSIDE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU'RE A POTENTIAL INVESTOR AND YOU'RE PUT THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCING, WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO PUT A RESTAURANT OR A BAR OR ANY KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT ASSET ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FROST BANK CENTER? I WOULDN'T, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE LITERALLY ACTIVELY, INTENTIONALLY WORKING ON SHUTTLING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT, NOT JUST WITH THIS NEW PROJECT BUT ALSO AROUND THE ALAMODOME TOO. THAT IS THE EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE AT THE ALAMODOME. YOU HAVE SAPD OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, BARKING AND BLOWING THEIR WHISTLES AND SNARLING AT YOU JUST TO GET YOU OUT OF THAT AREA. 
          WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO STICK AROUND IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE TREATED WHEN YOU LEAVE THE 
          ALAMODOME? THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ, COUNCILMAN KAUR? 
          >> KAUR: I'LL TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTES SINCE MANNY'S INTERJECTING INTO MINE. I WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO OVERTIME, IT DIDN'T WORK. SO I'M GOING TO GO IN ANOTHER WAY, SINCE I'M AN EDUCATOR, I'M GOING TO DO GLOWS AND GROWS. 
          I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE HIGHLIGHT FISHESZ. FIRST. 
          I THINK EMPHASIZING INFRASTRUCTURE, MY NEIGHBORHOODS TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN THERE WITH ME IN THOSE MEETINGS AS THEY'VE LISTENED TO THOSE CONCERNS. 
          I THINK WE CAN'T EXECUTE THIS EFFECTIVELY UNLESS THAT'S ALMOST AT THE TOP OF THE FINANCIALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE HOUSING ON THAT CHART, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD AN ADDITIONAL HOUSING BOND LOOK LIKE. HOUSING IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IF THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE TIRZ TO GROW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE DON'T OFFER INCENTIVES FOR DOING AFFORDABLE, I'M WORRIED IT WILL ALL BECOME MARKET AND THAT WILL LEAVE OUT A HUGE PORTION OF OUR POPULATION THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS ALL OF THESE AMENITIES IF WE DON'T INTENTIONALLY CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND SO I WOULD REALLY PUSH US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT HAPPENS. EVEN IF IT MEANS SAVING A PORTION, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE LAND OF LARGE DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING SURE IT IS AFFORDABLE. 
          AS FAR AS FINANCIALS GOES, THESE ARE COMPLICATED DEALS, RIGHT, AND I WANT TO COMMEND BEN AND YOU GUYS RUSH TO GET SOME FINANCIALS DONE, BECAUSE YOU WERE WE WERE SHARING THAT THIS IS THE BIGGEST QUESTION RESIDENTS WERE ASKING. BECAUSE OF THE WAY CAPITAL STACKS WORK AND HOW DOLLARS CAN BE PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE A DEAL, RIGHT, WHEN YOU SAY A $1.5 BILLION BUILDING, THAT'S NOT CASH ANYBODY HAS ON HAND. 
          I MEAN, BEN, IF YOU DO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING SITTING HERE, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FINANCING WORKS OVER THE YEAR OF THE LIFE OF A BOND. AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A TAX-EXEMPT BOND AND WHY CITIES AND COUNTIES GET INVOLVED IN THESE KIND OF DEALS ANYWAYS AND THE BENEFIT THAT THAT CAN BRING. 
          SO REGARDLESS TO SAY, I THINK THE NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT THING THAT HOPEFULLY COMMUNITY HEARS TODAY AND MAYBE THE PRESS WILL WRITE, NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES WILL GO INTO PROJECT MARVEL. 
          MAYBE THAT CAN BE A HEADLINE. I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE A HEADLINE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I GET ASKED. 
          MY PROPERTY TAX, AM I GOING TO PAY MORE BECAUSE OF THIS -- AND THAT MONEY TO GO INTO THESE BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          IN ADDITION THE SPURS ARE GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING ALL OF THE PREDEVELOPMENT COSTS. ALL OF THESE STUDIES THEY COST MONEY, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND THE SPURS COMMITTED TO HAVING ALL OF THAT ON THEIR BUCKET OF WORK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST, AND THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THIS DEAL. SO THIS IS NOT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY FLOATING THIS WHOLE PROJECT. AND I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE LAST FEW CONVERSATIONS HAVE PUSHED TO SAY, LET'S GET AMOUNT -- LET'S GET A SPECIFIC AMOUNT AND A COMMITMENT FROM THEM SO THAT CAN BE HEARD BY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND I KNOW THEY'VE HEARD THAT, TOO. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, THIS IS GOING TO BE 
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AN ADDITIONAL LAND PIECE THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL GET TO OWN AND ENJOY IN THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S AMAZING FOR GROWTH, FOR WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING THIS PUBLIC CONVERSATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THERE'S NO CONVERSATION HAD, SOMETIMES PEOPLE FILL IN THE QUESTION MARKS WITH THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SAID, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK IS PEOPLE ARE THINKING THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THIS MOU. ERIK, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE SHARED TODAY THAT'S NOT ALREADY EXISTENT IN THIS MOU, DO YOU HAVE A SECRET BACK DOOR OR SECRET DOCUMENT THAT LISTS OUT THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO OR GIVE? 
          >> WALSH: NO, MA'AM. >> KAUR: COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN ASKED FOR MONTHLY UPDATES. I THINK NOT JUST DOING IT FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT DOING IT PUBLICLY. MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME KIND OF PRESSERS OR SOMETHING TO SHARE. SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST NO PROGRESS AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THE TABLE TOGETHER. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SHARED. 
          WE'VE NOT MET IN THE LAST MONTH, THERE'S NO PROGRESS BEING MADE. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE MOVING FORWARD, BUT SHARING UPDATES WITH THE COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT. THE SECOND THING I'VE HEARD IS EAST SIDE DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO THANK JUDGE SAKAI FOR MEETING WITH COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ AND I. HE WAS ABLE TO SQUEEZE US IN JUST SO WE COULD GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE HOPING TO SEEN, BECAUSE WILLOW SPRINGS HAD COME UP WITH THE LAST COUPLE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO WHAT I WAS ABLE TO HEAR FROM HIM WAS HE WAS SO PASSIONATE -- AND NOT PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT HE WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE SAME THING, I THINK WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT, IS EAST SIDE DEVELOPMENT. EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE THE EAST SIDE BE DROPPED AND GROW. THAT WAS THE COUNTY'S REASON FOR THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THERE. WE ALL WANT THE SAME GOAL, BUT HOW DO WE GET THERE, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE FOR THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY IS DONE WITH COMMUNITY INPUT, IF IT IS THE GOLF COURSE OR ANY OTHER LAND, BUT ALSO IF IT'S -- IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. SO COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ ASKED TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A FAIR REQUEST BECAUSE THERE -- AS MUCH AS WE LIKE IT, RIGHT, WE ALL HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT WILL REACH OUT TO US MORE EASILY, SO NONE OF US REPRESENTS 100% OF OUR DISTRICT'S POPULATION. WE HAVE DIFFERENT POCKETS OF -- I MEAN, WE TRY TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT ENGAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT EACH OF US CAN CONNECT WITH. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE MORE REPRESENTATION WE CAN HAVE IN AN AREA, THE BETTER. THE LAST THIRNG I ALSO WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE -- I APPRECIATED THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA MENTIONED ABOUT THE WILLOW SPRINGS AND MAYBE USING THAT LANGUAGE THAT SHE PROVIDED, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, BUTTER RISK, IF YOU HAD IT, I THINK THAT WAS A -- BUT ERIK, IF YOU HAVE IT, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD OPTION FOR YOU. . THE NEXT THING I WANT TO MENTION IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING I HEARD FROM A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HASN'T BEEN THOUGHTFUL. IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING, THERE'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS. SO I GUESS MY REQUEST IS, THE NEXT UPDATE WE GET, IS THERE A WAY TO GET A THIRD-PARTY -- I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WHEN HEMISFAIR FIRST STARTED SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IS THERE A WAY WE COULD LAY OUT FROM NOW UNTIL NOVEMBER, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE REAL INPUT THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE TAKEN. 
          PROBABLY NOT BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THE PIECE OF LAND THAT THE SPURS STADIUM IS GOING TO GO ON, MAYBE NOT THAT, BUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THEY WANT TO SEE IN A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THEY CAN HAVE AN INPUT ON, WHAT ARE THE OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT THEY WANT TO SEE IN AND AROUND, WHAT DOES THAT PLAN FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOK LIKE, AND CAN WE HAVE SOME REAL THOUGHT PUT INTO THAT, IT'S NOT JUST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND A SURVEY. IS THERE REAL DOOR-TO-DOOR WORK AND OTHER WORK THAT CAN HAPPEN. BECAUSE TRANSPARENTLY, I'M GETTING THOSE MESSAGES AT TOWN HALLS, TOO, RIGHT, AND COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ AND I WERE AT ONE YESTERDAY WHERE WE GOT A MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT IS PROJECT MARVEL? BUT ALSO A LOT OF MY RESIDENTS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY COME TO THOSE MEETINGS, THEY ARE -- SOME OF THEM ARE WORKING MULTIPLE JOBS, SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE AIBILITY TO, AND SOME OF THEM, QUITE, FRANKLY, DON'T ENGAGE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. SO I WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER ENGAGEMENT THAT WE DO, THAT PLAN INCLUDES GOING OUTSIDE OF JUST THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND TOWN HALLSCH THAT TOWN HALLS. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY, BUT MY REQUEST IN ADDITION IS MAKING SURE THAT THE CURRENT BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE AT HEMISFAIR ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME OF THE 
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BENEFIT AND THRIVE FROM THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL OCCUR. WE KNOW ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR, IT'S GOING TO HELP THE TIRZ GROW, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THAT GO BACK TO THE MAGIK THEATRE SO WE CAN HAVE AN AMAZING STATE-OF-THE-ART CHILDREN'S THEATER IN THE HEART OF ALL OF IT'S THAT FAMILIES CAN ENJOY. 
          I KNOW THEY WILL COMPLIT TO KEEPING IT AK SETTABLE TO ALL OF OUR FAMILIES AS WELL. I THINK MOST OF OUR COLLEAGUES SAT UP HERE AND SAID WE LOVE THE SPURS. I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SPURS TO STAY. WE ARE A ONE NATIONAL SPORT TOWN, AND IT'S NBA AND IT'S THE SPURS. IF THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE CARE ABOUT, IT'S GO SPURS GO. AND I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IF THAT IF WE'RE WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS, THAT WE ENSURE WE'RE DOING SO IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE TEAM. THIS CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THAT, SO WE HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE OPEN AND WILLING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, HEAR THE OTHER SIDE, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I KNOW FOR AT LEAST MANY OF MY RESIDENTS INCLUDES KEEPING VICTOR HERE FOR AS LONG AS HE COULD POSSIBLY STAY. SO WISHING HIM A WELL RECOVERY TO THE END OF THIS YEAR AND POP, AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM BACK NEXT YEAR. 
          THANK YOU, ERIK, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. COUNCILMEMBER 
          MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT I'VE HEARD A FEW TIMES, AND ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATION HASN'T STASTARTED YET, AND IT'S SIMPLY UNTRUE OR WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WILLOW SPRINGS WAS A NONNEGOTIABLE FOR THE COUNTY. THE WORD "NONNEGOTIABLE" IMPLIES THEY ARE NOT NEGOTIATING WITHOUT THIS FACT. IT'S NOT OFF -- IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN TAKE OFF -- THEY NEGOTIATED THAT AND WE DIDN'T NEGOTIATE ENOUGH. AND SO TO ACT LIKE THIS IS A STARTING POINT AND I MAY BE WRONG FOR PUTTING WILLOW SPRINGS ON MY NONNEGOTIABLE LIST OR IT'S TOO EARLY TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE NEGOTIATIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN YET, THAT'S A JOKE. IT'S SO DISINGENUOUS. THE COUNTY IS BLUFFING. 
          THE COUNTY IS BLUFFING. IF THE SPURS SAY THEY ARE LEAVING, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO MOVE FOR THEM, WE CAN TAKE WILLOW SPRINGS OUT OF THE M MOU, IF THE SPURS SAY THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T SIGN AN MOU, THEY ARE GOING TO SIGN IT. WE'RE ROLLING OVER AND SAYING THE LAND BRIDGE IS IN THE AIR DUE TO FEDERAL ISSUES, THAT THE ALAMODOME IS TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIX AND IT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. THE SPURS ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE EAST SIDE, AND THE CITY IS CONSIDERING TRANSFERRING WILLOW SPRINGS TO THE COUNTY FOR SOME UNDISCLOSED PROJECT THAT HAS HAD ZERO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IT READS VERY NEGATIVE FOR THE EAST SIDE. AND US NOT FIGHTING HARD ENOUGH IS WEAK, AND IF THIS CONVERSATION IS AN INDICATOR FOR HOW PEOPLE FEEL, HOW THE CITY FEELS ABOUT THE EAST SIDE, RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT GOOD. AND I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF REPRESENTING DISTRICT TWO AND I'LL BE TRANSPARENT AND HONEST, THIS HAS NOT BEEN A CAMPAIGN ISSUE FOR ME. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD TOO FREQUENTLY AT THE DOORS, THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT IN ME, THEY HAVE A FIGHTER, THEY HAVE A CHAMPION, AND THAT THINGS WILL NOT GO UNCHALLENGED ON MY WATCH. WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE OTHER 10 SEATS THAT WE HAVE ON THE DAIS, AND DOES EVERYBODY HERE CARE ABOUT THE EAST SIDE AND ARE THEY ALSO LOOKING IN THEIR BEST INTEREST? AND I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE WAY THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING. 
          I HEAR WHEN PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DISTRICT TWO COUNCILMEMBER AND THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THIS AREA HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, I HEAR IT BEING SAID, I HEAR, YOU KNOW, OH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THERE IS A TANGIBLE ITEM IN HERE THAT HAS -- HAS NO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN KAUR FOR BEING ABLE TO MEET TOGETHER WITH THE JUDGE. I HAD TEXTED HIM AND CALLED HIM AT FIRST AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET A MEETING. SO GOOD JOB, EXCELLENT. 
          WHAT I HEARD AT THAT MEETING MADE EVERYTHING I SAID TODAY IS BECAUSE OF THAT MEETING. . THEY WILL SIGN AN MOU, THEY DO NOT NEED WILLOW SPRINGS. I THINK THAT IF WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE MOU AND SAY INSTEAD, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TALK -- WE TALKED ABOUT A WHOLE OTHER LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY HADN'T EVEN CONSIDERED. 
          AND IF THEIR GOAL IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR SOME SORT OF PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE SO THAT THEY CAN DO DEVELOPMENT OF THE FROST BANK CENTER AND THE FREEMAN COLISEUM, IN THAT AREA, IF THAT IS THERE GOAL, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T WE STATE THAT PLAINLY. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE WILLOW SPRINGS? 
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AND SO MY COLLEAGUES WHO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COUNTY IS NONNEGOTIABLE, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE, THAT'S ROUGH. 
          THTHANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER 
          MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THERE'S THIS REALLY GREAT URBAN HISTORIAN BRENT CROTAN AND HE HAS THIS BOOK ON THE ILLUSION OF PROGRESS. 
          I CITED IT BEFORE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, HE STATES THAT WE'RE RECREATING THE SYSTEMS OF A PUBLICLY SECURED PRIVATE PROFIT SYSTEM WITHOUT GUARANTEEING DOWNSTREAM SOCIAL BENEFITS FOR REGULAR PEOPLE. 
          AND HEARING MY COLLEAGUE MAKE HIS ARGUMENT, I THINK ABOUT STEPS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS TAKEN FOR BASEBALL, WE DIVESTED FROM THE WEST SIDE. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS THAT WE'RE LEAVING EAST SIDE RESIDENTS OUT TO DRY ALL FOR THE SAKE OF SPORT. AND THAT'S EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS TO ENSURING THAT WE'RE UPLIFTING ALL SAN ANTONIANS AND NOT PERPETUATING SYSTEMS OF EQUALITY FOR SPORT. BUT I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, BEN. ON SLIDE 6, IT MENTIONED THE HOT TAX FOR THE POTENTIALLY NEW VENUE. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THE HOT TAX BEING USED MAY IMPACT LOCAL ARTS PROGRAMMING AND WHAT THIS CAN MEAN FOR CULTURAL PROGRAMMING IN THE CITY? 
          >> GORZELL: SO, COUNCILWOMAN, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND MODELING THE 9%, I MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE TODAY. WE FUND VISIT SAN ANTONIO, ARTS PROGRAMS, WE FUND SUPPORT FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE ALAMODOME FACILITIES AND HISTORY PRESERVATION. THOSE ARE BUILT IN, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MODELING IN THE FUTURE TO SEE HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE HAVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE TO SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS. AND I MENTIONED THE PRIORITY ONE, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN THE FEASIBILITY THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS THE CONVENTION CENTER, GIVEN THAT IT DRIVES THE MOST VISITORS FROM OUT OF TOWN INTO SAN ANTONIO. AND THEN THE ALAMODOME AND THE WOOD COURTHOUSE WOULD BE THE NEXT TWO. THE WOOD COURTHOUSE, I DID WANT TO REITERATE, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO THAT WITH AS LITTLE TO KNOW PUBLIC FUNDING FROM US AS WE CAN. I MENTIONED WE WANTED TO GET AN RFQ AND RFP OUT, GET AN OPERATOR IN THE DOOR AND REALLY START TO EXPLORE MORE OF THAT PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. 
          >> CASTILLO: BUDGET CYCLE WE HAVE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE ARTS DEPARTMENT IS TO OUR CITY, AND I WANT TO ENSURE BY POTENTIALLY USING HOT TAX FUNDING TO SUPPORT NEW CONSTRUCTION, WOULD IT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ARTS PROGRAMMING HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? AND WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR MORE SUPPORT, AND INVESTMENT IN OUR ARTS PROGRAMMING, AND I WANT TO ENSURE THAT POTENTIALLY USING THIS AS A FUNDING STREAM WON'T PUT OUR ARTS PROGRAMMING IN A CORNER OR NOT PROVIDE THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THEIR FUNDING WITH FUTURE BUDGETS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ONE-PAGER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US, IT MENTIONS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT IMPACT FUNDING FOR CITY SERVICES, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SAFETY AND PARKS. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW IT WON'T IMPACT FUNDING, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THE CURRENT -- WHAT IS IT CALLED -- FROST CENTER, AT&T CENTER, WHERE THE SPURS ARE NOW. WE KNOW FOR TRAFFIC CALMING  AND WHEN AN EVENT ENDS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HELPS FACILITATE TRAFFIC CONTROL. DO WE KNOW WITH THIS PROPOSAL WHO WOULD HELP FACILITATE THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL? 
          >> GORZELL: SO THE ONE-PAGER'S REFERENCING OUR CURRENT ESSENTIAL SERVICES. I MENTIONED THERE'S NO GENERAL FUND DOLLARS GOING INTO THE CAPITOL COSTS OF IT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE OPERATIONAL POTENTIALLY IMPACTS DOWN THE ROAD -- GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE MOVE THAT -- HOW WE MOVE VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS IN AND OUT OF THE DISTRICT. SO A LOT OF THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT A NUMBER OF SOURCES. 
          AT THAT POINT, HOPEFULLY THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE MORE TIRZ DOLLARS, SO WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN TERMS OF THE 
          MIX OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> CASTILLO: I THINK OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON MESQUITE AND HACKBERRY, RIGHT? THESE ARE  GENERATIONAL RESIDENTS OF THE EAST SIDE, HANGING ON BY A THREAD, FEELING THE PRESSURES OF INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES AND SO MUCH MORE, AND THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ALONG THAT AREA, AND I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO RECEIVE THE SIDEWALKS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE TIED TO THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PROJECT MARVEL, BECAUSE PROJECT MARVEL IS PUTTING THOSE PRESSURES ON THOSE FAMILIES. AND I DON'T THINK, IMREUN, THE COUNCILMEMBER SHOULD HAVE TO USE HIS IMP DOLLARS TO FILL THOSE GAPS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY -- WE'RE WORKING WITH LIMITED BUDGETS AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO TACKLE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT COUNCIL DISTRICT. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURES, WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL BUILDS FOR A DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT WITHOUT PROVIDING ADEQUATE FUNDING TO TACKLE THOSE 
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          INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. >> GORZELL: I THINK, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT KIND OF A PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE STAGE. AT WE LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS, ALL OF THIS IS COMING BACK TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT, YOUR DIRECTION. 
          LORI MENTIONED THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, THE AREAS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SLIDE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A POTENTIAL GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES IN THE DISTRICT AROUND UTILITIES, ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AND BUILT IN AS WELL. AS ALL OF THIS EVOLVES, AS WE CONTINUE TO REFINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, IT ALL COMES BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION AND IT WILL BE YOUR DECISION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD 
          ULTIMATELY. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. 
          THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN? 
          >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO -- I HEAR THE PAIN AND I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION, BUT I -- SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT IS AN INDUSTRY. IT IS AN INDUSTRY IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT IS WHERE MY RESIDENTS WORK, THEY WORK AT THE FROST BANK CENTER, THEY WORK  AT MISSIONS STADIUM. THIS IS SOME OF THEIR JOBS. THESE ARE SOME OF THEIR SECOND JOBS. 
          SO THAT IS WHY I AM MOVING FORWARD TO SAY LET'S START THE NEGOTIATIONS, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE LARGER PICTURE OF NOT HAVING PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM AND HOW WE GET OUR RESIDENTS TO WORK, WHICH WE CONTINUALLY TRY, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR US TO MAKE SOME REAL CHANGE IN OUR SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS. AND IT'S NOT THAT -- I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF LABELING IT, IF YOU SUPPORT THIS, YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE EAST SIDE. 
          THAT IS FURTHEST THING FROM THE EAST. I DO SUPPORT THE EAST SIDE, AND I HEAR THE PAIN. BUT GENERATION ALLEY, GENERATIONALLY, WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS NOT THAT CONSISTENT LEADERSHIP AND THE COUNTY DID NOT BRING IN THE REPRESENTATION TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. WE HAVE TH NOW. AND WHILE I WISH WE HAD YOU TWO YEARS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT TWO, TWO YEARS BEFORE, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO WE'RE HERE AT THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW TRYING TO MAKE WHAT THE BEST IS AND WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THERE TOGETHER AND WE HAVE TO GET THERE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          AND THE SAME WITH THE WEST SIDE AND THE PROMISES MADE AND PROJECTS NOT BROUGHT IN, IS WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD AND MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE DO STILL NEED TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS THAT CONTINUE TO PLAGUE THIS CITY AND WE DO NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY SAY FROM THE DAIS AND IN THE VOTES THEY TAKE WHEN WE -- WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING AND WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRAMS FOR DELEGATE 
          AGENCIES. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE? 
          >> WHYTE: WELL, FIRST, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY FRIEND IN DISTRICT TWO. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE GOT THIS FAR WITHOUT IT. 
          SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY. 30 TODAY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A BIG ONE. ON WILLOW SPRINGS, I WANT TO ECHO SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID. I MEAN, TO SAY THAT -- I AGREE WITH YOU, TO SAY THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY NEGOTIATING TO THIS POINT, I THINK, IS A LITTLE BIT LAUGHABLE, BECAUSE IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS THAT HOLLOW MOU THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THE ONE SPECIFIC THAT'S IN THERE IS WILLOW SPRINGS. 
          SO THAT MOST DEFINITELY HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE; HOWEVER I BELIEVE THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THE BEST CITY MANAGER AROUND. AND IF TOMORROW'S VOTE ENDS UP GIVING AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD, I HOPE THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH THIS COUNCIL AND WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN, AND WITH TALKS WITH THE COUNTY, THAT THERE IS A WAY TO WORK THIS OUT TO WHERE THAT WILLOW SPRINGS PROPERTY CAN BE SOMETHING THAT YOUR RESIDENTS CAN BE PROUD OF, CAN ENJOY, AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN -- AND THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY ISSUES ALL ALONG, AND I KNOW YOU SHARE MY FRUSTRATION IN THIS, COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE 
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BEEN BROUGHT INTO THIS DISCUSSION MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO. 
          AND PERHAPS WE WOULDN'T BE HERE, YOU KNOW, NINE MONTHS FROM A POTENTIAL VOTE AND STILL BE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT ERIK AND HIS TEAM CAN FASHION SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE RELATED TO WILLOW SPRINGS IF WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WILL CREATE SOMETHING THAT THE EAST SIDE WILL BE HAPPY WITH. AND I THINK, IF I'M RIGHT, THE FINAL DEAL WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS VOTED ON BY THIS COUNCIL. AND SO -- AND SO WE'LL GET A LOOK AT IT. 
          ONE OTHER POINT, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL FOR SPORT. AND I'VE GOT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT. THE SPURS ARE NOT JUST ABOUT SPORTS. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GAMES ON THE COURT AND IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT WHO CAN FILL THE ARENA. ALL RIGHT? THE SPURS MEAN SO MUCH TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S ABOUT THE FEELING OF GOODWILL AND CAMARADERIE THAT PEOPLE GET WHEN THEY GATHER AT EACH OTHER'S HOUSES TO WATCH THE GAMES, WHEN THEY GO TO THE RESTAURANTS OR BARS TO WATCH THE GAMES, WHEN WE CELEBRATE DURING THE PARADES, WHICH ARE CERTAINLY COMING OUR WAY WITH THE TEAM THAT WE'RE BUILDING, THE SPURS ARE MUCH MORE THAB T THAN THE SPORT OF BASKETBALL, AND, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO RIGHT BY THEM, BUT, YES, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER THAT DOES NOT PLACE THE COST ON THE 
          CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. ERIK? 
          >> WALSH: MAYOR, JUST A CLARIFICATION, COUNCILMAN, AND CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND. TOMORROW'S ITEM -- TOMORROW'S ACTION ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO AUTHORIZE THE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AS IT'S CAPTIONED TOMORROW, IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. IF YOU WANT IT TO, THEN WE CAN REMOVE TOMORROW'S ITEM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S CAPTIONED. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 
          THAT. >> WHYTE: SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, TOMORROW IS TO AUTHORIZE YOU GUYS TO GO NEGOTIATE AND GET INTO AN MOU, BUT BEFORE THE FINAL DEAL IS FINAL RELATED TO 
          CONVEYING -- >> WALSH: OH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU'RE 100%. >> WHYTE: YEAH. >> WALSH: ANYTHING BEYOND 
          MOU HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >> WHYTE: OKAY. 
          >> WALSH: ANYTHING. YEAH. >> WHYTE: YES. 
          THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. 
          >> GARCIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. IN THE MOU IT SAYS MOU IDENTIFIES THREE POTENTIAL ITEMS. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT TOMORROW WHEN THIS COMES UP TO A VOTE, FOR INSTANCE, COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ COULD MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE WILLOW SPRINGS TRANSACTION? WHAT HAPPENS IF HE MAKES A MOTION THAT PASSES, WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT 
          POINT? >> WALSH: GO AHEAD, ANDY. 
          SORRY. >> SEGOVIA: THIS GOES BACK TO COUNCILMAN WHYTE'S PREVIOUS QUESTION AND COMMENT, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          THIS COUNCIL IS NOT VOTING ON AN MOU TOMORROW. 
          THIS COUNCIL'S VOTING TO GIVE ERIK THE AUTHORITY TO GO AND NEGOTIATE BASED ON THE INPUT HE HEARS TODAY AND TOMORROW, AND MOU HE WOULD THEN HAVE AN AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S ONE WHERE IT WOULD BE FRANKLY AN IMPROPER POTIONMOTION IN THAT THERE'S NO MOU 
          ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL. >> GARCIA: SO THEN IT'S BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION. THE MOU IDENTIFIES THREE POTENTIAL ITEMS. SO THEN IT TECHNICALLY COULD BE TWO EVENTUALLY 
          THAT YOU NEGOTIATE. >> WALSH: TECHNICALLY, YES. 
          >> GARCIA: OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. 
          COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ? >> PELAEZ: THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART, CAN WE BRING THAT CHART, PLEASE, UP. THANK YOU. 
          OH, BY THE WAY COUNCILMAN WHYTE SHOWED ME A SCREENSHOT OF SOME REPORTER HYPERVENTILATING AND CLUTCHING HIS PEARLS BECAUSE I WOULD DARE TEASE MOLLY AND GARRETT BACK THERE. YOU GUYS ARE OKAY, RIGHT? COME UP LATER FOR A FIST BUMP AND I'LL GIVE YOU A HUG AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH I ADMIRE YOU GUYS. 
          THIS CHART THEN, INFRASTRUCTURE MEANS A LOT OF THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT AS WE'RE PUBLISHING THIS CHART TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE? 
          >> GORZELL: SO IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE -- I LEFT MY -- LET ME GRAB IT REAL 
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QUICK. SLIDE 15 UP. SO, COUNCILMAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL MORE TRADITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, STREETS, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, UTILITIES, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS BEING PART OF THAT, SO, AGAIN, SIDEWALKS, MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BECAUSE OF 
          THE DISTRICT. >> PELAEZ: DRAINAGE? >> GORZELL: DRAINAGE 
          COULD BE IN THERE, YES. >> PELAEZ: OKAY. IS THERE ANY DRAINAGE NEEDS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOW THAT FALL UNDER THAT 
          CATEGORY OF INFRASTRUCTURE. >> GORZELL: LET ME ASK 
          LORI ON THAT -- >> PELAEZ: I KNOW I'M COMING AT YOU FROM LEFT 
          FIELD ON THIS ONE. >> GORZELL: WHEN I TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS OR -- SO DID YOU WANT TO TALK 
          ABOUT DRAINAGE LOARS . >> HOUSTON: THERE MIGHT BE DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THE PROBABILITIES AND THAT'S 
          WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THESE PROBABILITIES. >> PELAEZ: AND USUALLY BRIDGES ARE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT NOT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEFINE THE BRIDGE AS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          >> HOUSTON: IT COULD BE. BECAUSE THE MATCH FOR THE BRIDGE IS THE 
          INFRASTRUCTURE. IS THAT CORRECT. >> GORZELL: YEAH. 
          IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DID LIST IT SEPARATELY, BUT IT HAS 
          THE SAME FUNDING SOURCES. >> PELAEZ: AND THEN PARKING LOT, ALAMODOME PARKING LOT, IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT 
          INFRASTRUCTURE? >> GORZELL: PARKING WOULD BE IIVE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT REVENUES TO LEVERAGE PARKING GARAGE CONTRIBUTING TO THOSE 
          PROJECTS, YES. >> PELAEZ: GREAT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, JUST A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SING JALEN A HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BECAUSE THERE IS CAKE FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          SO AT RISK OF BELABORING THE BASKETBALL ANALOGY THAT ANDY ATTEMPTED TO USE, I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL ALWAYS MISS THE SHOTS WE DON'T TAKE. 
          AND WHAT I'VE HEARD UP HERE IS THE DESIRE FOR COUNCIL TO GET TO A MORE PERFECT SITUATION AS IT RELATES TO REALIZING A DOWNTOWN SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AS WELL AS A REVITALIZED EAST SIDE. 
          CERTAINLY THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENS TO WILLOW SPRINGS, ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE HAD IN THE NEXT STEPS OF THE PROCESS, WHICH ULTIMATELY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IN TERMS OF A TERM SHEET AND A DEAL POINTS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS. AND SO I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE DREAMS WE DO NOT ACHIEVE ARE THE ONES WE NEVER TRY TO. AND SO I THINK WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT. 
          ERIK, I AM HEARING THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AUTHORIZING YOU TO FINALIZE AND MOU, WITH ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU 
          HEARD UP HERE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. >> WALSH: YEAH, THANKSTHANKS, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE CONVERSATION. THERE WERE A LOT OF POINTS MADE THAT I THINK ARE EXTREMELY CRITICAL TO THIS PROJECT, THESE PROJECTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND NOT NECESSARILY PERTINENT TO THE MOU, BUT IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OUT IN THE OPEN FROM ALL OF YOU. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT BEN SAID, THIS IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A HEAVY LIFT FOR OUR ECONOMY, FOR DOWNTOWN, FOR RESIDENTS, FOR WHOEVER. 
          AND I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO -- AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS MADE, SO I'LL JUST ADDRESS THEM GENERALLY. WE'RE NOT ANY FURTHER ALONG, BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLICATED AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TAKING IT STEP 
          BY STEP. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I GET THAT. 
          QUIET IN THE PEANUT GALLERY BACK THERE. YOU CAN CONTINUE, ERIK. 
          >> WALSH: AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DILIGENT IN TERMS OF THE WORK. 
          I WISH WE WERE DONE, BUT WE'RE NOT. IT'S GOING TO BE -- IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT HARDER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          AND WE -- WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE TRANSPARENT AND DILIGENT, AND I THINK AS I MENTIONED IN THE NEXT STEPS SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING REGULAR BRIEFINGS WITH THE COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC SO THAT YOU ALL CAN WEIGH IN AND THE PUBLIC, AND WE WILL WORK ON A NUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT UP TODAY. I'M THINKING THAT LIKELY EARLY NEXT WEEK WE'RE GOING TO MEMORIALIZE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS IN A MEMO BACK TO YOU ALL SO THAT WE START KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THIS. 
          BUT THE NOTION THAT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OR THAT DEALS HAVE BEEN CUT IS JUST FALSE, AND -- BUT WE'LL GET THERE, GIVEN YOUR SUPPORT. 
          MAYOR, I'M ALSO HEARING THAT THERE IS -- AND I'M GOING TO CALL IT A 
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GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT THE WILLOW SPRINGS ASPECT, WHETHER THAT MEANS IT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED AT ALL OR THAT THE RESIDENT COUNCILPERSON SHOULD BE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN CONVERSATIONS OR THAT IT IS A CONCERN ABOUT A LOSS OF GREENSPACE AND AN AMENITY, LIKE A GOLF COURSE ON THE EAST SIDE, OR THAT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE CONGREW WENT WANT CONCONGRUANT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS OR WE'RE NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THE VALUE. I WANTED THE COUNCIL TO HEAR FROM ME THAT I CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR, AND WE'LL BE MULLING THAT OVER AND HAVING FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL AS WE PROCEED TO THAT STEP. AND OBVIOUSLY MORE WORK TO BE DONE AND MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO OCCUR, AND WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, ERIK. JUST BRIEFLY, FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS, SO COUNCIL CAN GO BACK AND GET SITUATED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTER. 
          SO WE'LL SAY WE'LL START THAT PROCESS AT 5:10 P.M. 
          BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE B SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO SING COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ A HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BECAUSE HE TURNED 30 TODAY. 
          SO HE'S AMONG ALL OF THE ADULTS NOW. 
          >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I SHOULD HAVE SAID OLD PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE NOT OLD YET. SO IT'S AT 5:02 P.M. ON FEBRUARY 26, 2025, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.  WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN AT
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