* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:05] AFTERNOON. UM, THE TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW MEETING TO ORDER. UM, IT IS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CASTILLO SINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY. PRESENT. ZUKA EVADO. HERE. GRO CERVANTES HOLLAND. HERE. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THE DATE. THE TODAY IS ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 5TH, 2025. 2025. MAY I HAVE HER TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON WHEN INTERPRET. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD DEPLOYED BY CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL BY OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP IF YOU, IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSION MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 15TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND. THANK YOU TO MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINA? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE HAVE HAD SOME CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, WHICH MAKES THIS A VERY SHORT, UH, MEETING. UM, SO ITEM SEVEN, NINE, AND 10 HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS OR VOICEMAILS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONER? WE SUPPORT ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER SIX. ITEM SIX. ANY OTHER ITEMS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, THANK YOU TO MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? UM, EXCUSE ME. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA GIDA AYE. GROUP AYE. ANTE? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA [00:05:01] AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 6 3 7 NORTH MAINE, 1 0 9 WEST GRAYSON 1 1 5 GORMAN 2 8 4 THORA 2,900 SAN PEDRO, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. OKAY. IF THE APPLICANT FOR 5 0 1 EAST LOCUS CAN, UM, UH, COME, COME FORWARD TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINA WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. HI, I AM JANELLE PATRICK WITH RHINO DESIGN BUILD AND THIS IS THE CUSTOMER, MR. SHE SHANE RABI HOMEOWNER. YES. HI. THANK YOU FOR, UM, COMING UP HERE. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE. UM, CAN YOU TELL, UH, EVEN THOUGH THIS APPEARS IN THE CASE FILE, THE REVIEW AND STAFF'S REVIEW, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE REASON FOR CHANGING THE DESIGN OF THE ORIGINAL PORCH? WELL, THE, WE'VE HAD THE ENGINEER COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AND SHE FOUND THAT IT WASN'T SOUND AND SHE RECOMMENDED THE COLUMNS TO BE PLACED. OKAY. THE COLUMNS. UM, WHICH COLUMNS TO BE REPLACED OR TO ADD? WELL, ACTUALLY TO BE INSTALLED, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE HAD BEEN PRIOR COLUMNS THERE, BUT WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING AS FAR AS CAPITALS GO. UM, WE EVEN WENT DOWN TO THE CITY, LOOKED AT RECORDS AND, UM, JUST BASED OFF OF HER RECOMMENDATIONS, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, UH, PUT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. UM, AND ALSO TOO TO ADD STAFF, UH, CLARIFICATION. SO THE 1931 SANBORN MAP, I CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, FOR THAT WHILE YOU'RE ANSWERING THE OTHER QUESTIONS. BUT, UM, THE BILL DATE PROPERTY, OR THE PROPERTY BILL DATE IS ROUGHLY 1924. UM, THE EARLIEST SANBORN MAP DOES NOT SHOW A PORCH OVERHANG. UM, SO, UH, THE SANDBORN MAP WOULD SHOW THAT THE CURRENT PORCH OVERHANG IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND, UM, YOUR ENGINEER SAYS IT'S NOT SOUND. YES. LET'S SAY ASIDE FROM IT BEING A MODIFICATION, MAYBE THAT MODIFICATION CAME FIVE, 10 YEARS AFTER IT WAS BUILT, 20 YEARS EVEN. UM, IT STILL PUTS IT IN WHAT, 1950S. UM, WHAT KIND OF SIGNS OF STRUCTURAL FAILURE ARE YOU SEEING ON THE PORCH THAT REQUIRES A STRUCTURAL SOLUTION OF THE CO OF THE COLUMNS? WELL, YOU CAN, UM, THE ACTUAL PICTURES WILL SHOW THAT THE, UM, THE, THE SERGE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. SURE. UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPER TERM, BUT THE, THE PORCH, UH, CAN, THE, THE CANTILEVER, THEY'RE SAGGING DOWN AND IT'S PULLING APART FROM THE, THE HOUSE. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PHOTOS SHOWING THAT IN MY FILE. UM, OKAY. UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO IT. I'M LOOKING FOR PHOTOS THAT SHOW A STRUCTURAL FAILURE. I'M LOOKING FOR AN ENGINEER'S LETTER THAT TELLS ME THIS. IT'S ON THIS, UM, YOU HAVE A LETTER. SHE, I CAN HAVE HER SEND US, I CAN HAVE HER SEND IT TO US IN A LETTER FORM, BUT BASED ON HER FINDINGS, THIS WAS HER RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO I'M SEEING THIS AS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION PRIMARILY. THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. SO, UM, I HAVE NO MR. CHAIR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING TO STAFF? UM, OKAY. IS IT, IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN OUR PURVIEW TO HAVE A PROOF FROM AN ENGINEER LETTER REALLY. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL COLUMNS AND SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ORIGINAL, BUT THEY'RE DOING SIMILAR COLUMNS TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE HOUSE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS CAN WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE CLIENT TO COME WITH AN ENGINEER LETTER WHEN THEY'RE STATING, I MEAN, IN GOOD FAITH THAT AN ENGINEER HAS COME AND RECOMMENDED THAT TO THEM? RECOMMENDED? RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I CAN ANSWER THAT. UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER SABINO IS SAYING IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S NECESSITY IN THE REQUEST, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. NO, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A REASON FOR THE REQUEST, WE'RE JUST REVIEWING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING [00:10:01] THE APPLICATION OF THE GUIDELINES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM, UM, I HAVE, YEAH, JUST A, A FOLLOW UP. IT'S, UM, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE ACCEPTING THIS AS A APPLICATION WHEN THERE'S NOTHING BUT THE DESIRE TO ADD THE OVERHANG AND THE COLUMNS IN PLACE. THERE ARE NO PHOTOS, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SHOWING THE STRUCTURAL FAILURE. YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEER'S LETTER WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY CONFIRM THE OBSERVATIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING. SO ANYWAY, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. UM, BUT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. YOU HAVE A COMMENT GUYS, SIR. WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION IN, IN, IN CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, LIKE THIS, UM, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SIR, OR JUST STATEMENT ON THAT? 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION ON THAT. I CAN DO A MOTION. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE CLARIFICATION, BUT YOU DID ASK FOR COMMENTS. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, SIR. AND I DO APOLOGIZE. SO WE'RE IN MOTION, SO IF YOU WANT, UH, LET COMMISSIONER GRU MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO COMMISSIONER GR GO AHEAD PLEASE. I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. AHEAD. IT'S BEEN AHEAD PROBABLY SECONDS. GO AHEAD, SIR. OKAY. THE, THE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION AND YOU MATCH THE CENTER WITH THE OVERHANG HORIZONTALS, NOW MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL, BUT IT'S THE SECOND ORIGINAL IN THE EVOLUTION OF THIS HOUSE. IN THE EVENT THAT THAT'S NOT A TRUE, UM, ENTRY, THE OFFSET IN THE, UH, STAIR AND THE, AND THE KIND OF INTENTIONALITY IN, IN WHERE THAT BOX IS LOCATED, THAT'S THE PLINTH IS LOCATED, IT'S DIRECTLY CENTERED WITH THE HORIZONTAL THAT IS TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF THE ARCH, WHICH DOES GIVE AN INDICATION THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS A COLUMN THAT IS INFORMED BY THE COLUMN THAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE LIGHTS ARE NOT CENTERED WITH THE PLINTH, WHICH MEANS, AND COULD MEAN THAT THERE IS SOME EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LIGHT IS NOT COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED BY A COLUMN. SO THERE, THERE IS SOME, SOME, SOME MESSAGES THERE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WAS A COLUMN THERE. ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THE HORIZONTALS IN THE ARCH ARE MISSING SOME DETAILS THAT POSSIBLY FELL OUT IN THE DETERIORATION OF THE, OF, OF ALL THIS TIME THAT HAS PASSED. THERE'S SOME DETAILS MISSING, BUT, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT IT, IT DOES GIVE YOU THE SHADOW OF, UM, AN EXISTING COLUMN OF SOME KIND. I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD MATCH THE, THE OTHER COLUMN THAT IT WOULDN'T JUST BE SOME RANDOM, UM, FOUR BY FOUR OR SIX BY SIX, BUT, BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT, THAT SOMETHING OCCURRED THERE. UH, I I, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THERE WERE PLANTERS THAT OCCURRED THERE, THERE, THERE HAD TO BE SOME REASON FOR THE CENTERING BEYOND IT JUST BEING A WALKWAY OR ELSE THE STEPS. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPINION. IT'S JUST READING KIND OF SHADOWS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR? HAS A MOTION BEEN MADE? THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, YES. OKAY. COMMENT OF THE, TO THE COLUMNS THAT THEY ARE, UH, TO MATCH THE EXISTING COLUMN IN THE CORNER OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, AND, AND MY REASONING, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT WANTING DOING, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WHAT OUR PURVIEW HERE IS THEY'RE WILLING TO STALL COLUMNS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A EVIDENCE OF DETERIORATION. STILL THE APPLICANT COULD COME AND ASK IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PURVIEW AND THAT'S WHAT IN FRONT OF US AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE MOTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU, SINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. ZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] ITEM SEVEN HAS BEEN POSTPONED. ITEM EIGHT PLEASE. ITEM EIGHT ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 4 9 2 0 2 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. APPROVAL TO INSTALL GREEN WINDOW FILM WITH TEXT THAT INCLUDES STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL THE WINDOW FILM ON THE NORTH FACADE, EAST HOUSTON AND ON THE WEST FACADE. NORTH ST. MARY'S [00:15:02] STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE SIGNAGE TO INCLUDE BRANDING AND BRANDED GRAPHICS BE ELIMINATED FROM THE REQUEST AS TO NOT INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. AND, UM, IT APPEARS THAT TABITHA SHERMAN, UH, THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. AND MS. SHERMAN, I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE, UM, THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING ON THE CALL THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PANEL? UM, NO, I'M JUST THE, I'M THE ONLY ONE REPRESENTING TODAY. THANK YOU. SO MA'AM, I INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE PLEASE. OKAY. I AM, UM, YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME. I'M TRYING TO START MY VIDEO TOO, BUT HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE. UM, BUT MY NAME IS TABITHA SHERMAN. UM, I AM ONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS FOR THE SOUTH CENTRAL STARBUCKS TEAM. UM, WE HAD RECENTLY HAD A MINOR RENOVATION OUT THERE. UM, THE WINDOW FILM WAS INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THAT SCOPE OF WORK, BUT IT WAS, IT STARTED OUT TO BE, UM, A BRONZE WINDOW FILM WITH THE WORDING AT THE BOTTOM THAT WAS JUST TO SAY COFFEE AND COMMUNITY. UM, THE WINDOW FILM WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED, UM, BY A DIFFERENT SUBCONTRACTOR. SO NOW IT JUST, IT WHAT'S THERE NOW IS JUST LIKE A WHITE WINDOW FILM. SO IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, UM, NOT VERY INVITING. IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE WE'RE CLOSED SOME OF THE TIME, SO WE WERE JUST GONNA TRY TO, UM, PROPOSE A NEW WINDOW FILM. UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE GONNA JUST GO BACK TO THE BRONZE WITH THE COFFEE AND COMMUNITY, BUT WITH RECENT, UM, COFFEE HOUSE PIVOT WITH THE COMPANY RIGHT NOW, UM, TRYING TO GET BACK TO COFFEE HOUSE VIBE AND THE STARBUCKS, UM, COFFEE COMPANY OPERATIONS WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS, UM, GREEN WINDOW FILM THAT KIND OF MATCHES THE, LIKE THE GREEN APRON AND IF POSSIBLE HAVE THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY, UM, IN THIS, IN THE WHITE ON THE, ON ONE WINDOW OF THE PANEL THAT YOU SEE KIND OF ON THE TOP RIGHT. AND THEN IF POSSIBLE, UM, FOR IT TO SAY IT ON THAT ENTRANCE TO THE LEFT OF THE DOOR AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM, DOES THAT PRESENT, I MEAN, DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR PRES PRESENTATION, MA'AM? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A JUST SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, JUST TO PROVIDE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION GOING INTO THIS, UM, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT HA ARE SHOWN HERE IN GREEN ALREADY HAVE AN OPAQUE FILM. THEY BLOCKED THE OUT OF, UH, THE BACK OF HOUSE OPERATIONS OF THE, THE BUSINESS. UM, SO THE QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT THE COVERAGE, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. THANK YOU. YOU COMMISSIONER SABINO? YES. THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIGNAGE TO ELIMINATE ANY OF THE BRANDING AND BRANDED GRAPHICS, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER OR YOU WOULD AGREE TO? UM, DID, DOES THAT MEAN ELIMINATING THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY JUST TO THE GREEN FILM? I THINK IT DOES, YES. AND TO THAT THOUGHT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THE COMPANY USES UTILIZES SO MANY DIFFERENT GRAPHICS OF DIFFERENT STYLES THAT YOUR, YOUR COMPANY HAS A PLETHORA OF, OF GRAPHICS TO PULL FROM TO STILL CREATE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE BRAND AND NOT USE THE LOGO AND NOT USE THE TEXT OR GRAPHICS. OKAY. SO I DO THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN TAKE BACK TO THE, UM, DESIGNERS AND THE OPERATIONS TEAM SO THAT IF WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY AS PART OF, UM, SIGNAGE, WE CAN, UM, KIND OF TAKE THAT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. UM, IN THAT CASE, WOULD I JUST RESUBMIT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UM, APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY OR IF WE GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOUR SIGNAGE, UM, ELIMINATES THE BRANDING AND THE BRANDED GRAPHICS. WE COULD ALSO SAY RETURN TO STAFF BEFORE A-C-E-O-A IS ISSUED JUST TO REVIEW THE FINAL DECORATIVE GRAPHICS THAT YOU WOULD SUBMIT AND YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. OKAY. AND WE ALSO ALSO AREN'T, UM, OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE COLOR, UM, IT WAS JUST THAT COLOR WITH THAT, IF WE HAD GOTTEN THE SIGNAGE APPROVED, THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY APPROVED WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, THE DESIGN PREFERENCE. BUT IF WE NEED TO GO BACK TO, UH, MORE OF A BRONZE COLOR AS WELL, WE CAN DO SO. BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT OUR DESIGN TEAM HAS A FEW OPTIONS THAT, UM, I CAN ASK THEM TO PROVIDE FOR US. AND ONCE WE KIND OF NAIL THAT DOWN, I CAN JUST SEND THIS BACK THROUGH. UM, I THINK THE, THE INITIAL WAY THAT I DID, I JUST WENT THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND UPLOADED IT [00:20:01] THERE FOR NEXT STEPS. YEAH, THAT COULD WORK QUITE WELL. AND, AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLOR? I THINK THE COLOR IS ONE OF THOSE CONNECTING ELEMENTS THAT CONNECTS THE, THE, THE FIRM AND THE SERVICES TO, YOU KNOW, THE IDENTITY. SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET RID OF THE COLOR. UM, BUT UM, THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE EITHER. I'LL, I'LL JUST, UM, REGROUP AND GET BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UM, TO APPROVE, UM, THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AT THE SIGNAGE TO INCLUDE BRANDING AND BRANDED GRAPHICS. BE ELIMINATED FROM THE REQUEST SO AS NOT TO INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND A SECOND STIPULATION TO RETURN TO STAFF WITH PROPOSED DECORATIVE GRAPHICS BEFORE A COA IS ISSUED. SECOND, THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE HER ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE. SAMANTHAS? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE BREAK IF I CAN. SURE. GO AHEAD. YEAH, THIS IS TO AN UNRELATED CA OR CASE, UH, A PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE LOOKED AT. UH, THIS IS FOR STAFF. STAFF REAL QUICK. ON FIVE 20 MADISON, I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN, THEY ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT THEIR OUTTA COMPLIANCE IS. CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY RUN DOWN WHAT THEIR IS, WHAT THE AUTO COMPLIANCE, UH, ISSUE IS AND, AND HOW IT, UH, DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH WHAT WE VOTED ON IN THIS COMMISSION? YES, THERE, UM, WAS A COMMISSION VOTE TO DENY A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE ALONG MADISON. UM, THAT WAS DENIED. AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WAS A THREE TO FOUR FOOT SOLID WOOD FENCE INSTALLED. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE REGARDING COMPLIANCE. UM, I HAVE SEEN DRAFT ALTERNATIVE PLANS, BUT A FORMAL REQUEST HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS JUST ASKED BY SOME CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WHAT THE STATUS IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFYING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. UM, MOTION TO ADJOURN. THERE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.