* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [9:00 AM – Call to Order] [00:00:05] THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2025. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS. DAVIS. I'M SORRY. PRESENT. THANK YOU, FLORES. HERE, GARCIA. HERE. REGARD HERE. SETZER. HERE. FULLERTON. PRESENT POLL HERE. UH, SEPULVEDA. HERE AND VASQUEZ. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM TRANSLATION SERVICES. [ Chair’s Statement] THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JASON VASQUEZ, VICE CHAIR JUANITA VEDA IS THE CHAIR. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TIME. THERE ARE TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YES. UM, WE HAVE FULL ATTENDANT, WHICH IS GREAT. SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, GIVING YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. UM, [ Approval of minutes for the CTAB meeting of February 21, 2025.] FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH WAS FEBRUARY 21ST, 2025. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ASK, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES, I MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL DAVIS. ABSTAIN FLORES. AYE. GARCIA. AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. PAUL HERE. AYE. SEPULVEDA? AYE. IN VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION PASSES. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] UM, NEXT WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UH, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT, CONSENT AGENDA, UM, AND WE HAVE A FEW IN-PERSON SPEAKERS AS WELL AS A VOICEMAIL. SO I WILL CALL OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FIRST FOR ITEM ONE, UH, WE HAVE PAM CARPENTER. UM, SHE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. GARY HUDMAN IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELD AT HIS TIME. PAM, DO YOU WANNA COME UP? GOOD MORNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS PAM CARPENTER, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1 MPNA APPRECIATES THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT REGARDING 5 0 7 FUR DRIVE, A DUPLEX DESIGN BY PROMINENT SAN ANTONIO ARCHITECT NATHANIEL STRAUS NAFO, WHO IN HIS SHORT [00:05:01] 40 YEARS OF LIFE DESIGNED THE ICONIC ISLAND MEDA THEATER BECAUSE OF ITS ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 5 0 7 FUR IS CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT COLLECTION OF HOMES. GIVEN THE PROVENANCE OF THIS PROPERTY AND ITS ASSOCIATION WITH A MASTER ARCHITECT WHO LIVED TWO STREETS OVER AT 5 0 5 CLUB DRIVE IN A HOME, MUCH LIKE THIS ONE, ALL MASONRY WITH THE CLAY TILE ROOF, IT IS MOST LIKELY ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL LANDMARK STATUS. PLEASE KNOW, IN JANUARY, 2024, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. HOWEVER, THE OWNER DISREGARDED THE STOP ORDER AND THE CONTRACTOR COMPLETED THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, THE PROPERTY OWNER MADE THE DECISION TO DISREGARD THE STOP WORK ORDER, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE, AND WORK CONTINUED AFTER THE INITIAL ORDER WAS ISSUED. THE INFORMATION, THIS INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED IN THE VIOLATION HISTORY FOR THIS CASE, BUT IT IS NOT ALL EFFORTS TO SALVAGE THE REMOVED TILE WERE LOST. WHY WAS THE CLAY TILE NOT DISASSEMBLED, STACKED AND REUSED? IT IS, IT WAS NOT ONLY OF HISTORIC VALUE, BUT ALSO OF MONETARY VALUE. CLAY TILE ROOFS ARE A SYMBOL OF PREMIUM QUALITY. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DURABLE PRODUCTS IS EVIDENCED ALL OVER EUROPE AND WHERE THE HISTORY OF ITS LONGEVITY AND PERFORMANCE HAS BEEN PROVEN NOW IT IS MORE COSTLY TO REPLACE AND WITH A LESS NOBLE MATERIAL THAT HAS NO AUTHENTICITY. THE CLAY TILE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS OF THIS PROPERTY AND WAS THROWN AWAY IN A DUMPSTER. NOW THERE'S AN EFFORT TO FALSIFY IT WITH A FAKE MATERIAL WHEN THEY HAD THE REAL DEAL. WHILE WE APPRECIATE STAFFS SEEKING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, WE ADAMANTLY DISAGREE WITH THE PROPOSED DERIVATIVE METAL MATERIAL AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR SUBSTITUTION. CLAY ROOFS ARE A DISTINGUISHING PHYSICAL ASPECT OF LASTING BEAUTY AND TIMELESS TASTE. UNLIKE OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, LESS THAN 3% OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT HOMES HAVE STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS AND NOT A SINGLE PROPERTY HAS THESE STEEL TILES. WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED CTAP TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. PROMINENT CHARACTER DEFINING CRAFTSMANSHIP SHOULD NOT BE DOWNGRADED. THE ROOF SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND TO UPHOLD THE MATERIAL AS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO ITS OVERALL CHARACTER. MOREOVER, WE ASK FOR CONSISTENCY IN THE APPLICATION OF THE HISTORIC DI DISTRICT GUIDELINES WITHIN OUR DISTRICT. AS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AT 5 0 1 FUR HAD ITS TILE ROOF REMOVED AS WELL WITHOUT A C OF A, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS REQUIRED BY OHP TO HAVE THE CLAY TILE RE ROOF INSTALLED AND THEY COMPLIED. IT APPEARS THAT 5 0 7 FUR IS AN INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY WHICH LAST LISTED UNIT B FOR RENT ON ZILLOW IN DECEMBER FOR $1,300. THIS STRUCTURE IS NOT JUST AN INCOME GENERATING RENTAL. IT IS, IT HAS A RICH HISTORY WITH INHERENT WORTH AND VALUE AND DESERVES THE DIGNITY OF THE RETURN OF ITS ORIGINAL MATERIAL AS ENVISIONED BY THE ARCHITECT. TO PARAPHRASE AND QUOTE CONTRACTOR, JAMES NOLAN, OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT HAS A DEEP ABIDING RESPECT FOR THE CRAFTSMANSHIP OF OUR HOMES. AND WE WORK TO MAINTAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORY. WE FIGHT HARD TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC AS POSSIBLE FOR WITHOUT THIS, THE STRUCTURES BECOME MERE GHOSTS OF THEIR ORIGINAL SELVES. WE PRESERVE BEFORE WE RESTORE AND WE RESTORE BEFORE WE WERE REPLACE, PLEASE RESTORE THE TILE ROOF FOR 5 0 7 FUR AND HOLD THE PROPERTY OWNER ACCOUNTABLE FOR REIN INSTALLATION OF THE FLOWER BOXES AS WELL, WHICH WERE REMOVED WITHOUT A C OF A. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. OKAY, MOVING TO ITEM TWO. WE HAVE BARBARA WHIT. HOW, UH, GOOD MORNING. UH, BARBARA WHIT, HOW RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. UM, GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF Y ALL AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING . UH, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY AT 5 0 5 RIVER ROAD, THE FENCE, UH, WHICH ONE IS REPLACING THE REAR PRIVACY FENCE WITH A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD FENCE WITH METAL POSTS EXTENDING TO THE REAR FENCE TOWARDS EAST MAGNOLIA, FOUR FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK. NUMBER TWO, INSTALLING A NEW FRONT FOOT, A NEW FIVE FOOT TALL HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDE YARD FENCE FOUR FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK, 15 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOME WITH ONE PEDESTRIAN GATE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE PROOF OF THE APPROVED FENCING AND GATES MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET FOR A REAR PRIVACY FENCE. FIVE FEET ON THE SIDE YARD FENCE, WHICH FACES THE HOMES ON WOODLAWN ACROSS THE STREET IN A PEDESTRIAN GATE. ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN UDC SECTION 35 [00:10:01] DASH FIVE 14 AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, UH, WORK BY THE STAFF TO INTEGRATE. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME, ONE OF THREE THAT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT FOR, UM, OFFICERS AT FORT SAM HOUSTON TO BE ABLE TO PLAY GOLF AFTER WORK A LONG TIME AGO, RIGHT ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. SO WE REALLY ARE, UH, UH, GLAD THAT THIS, THAT THE STAFF, UH, RECOGNIZED THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED IT WAS GONNA GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIVER ROAD AND JUST BE A MONSTROSITY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM FOUR. OKAY? YES. MY NAME IS VALERIE ES CALLING ON BEHALF OF DHNA HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CT CASE 2025 DASH 0 4 6 LOCATED AT 9 26 LAMAR STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACE 50% OF THE ROCK WITH NATURAL GREENERY. WE DO HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING THE FRONT SIDEWALK, WHICH WE POINTED OUT AT THEIR FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022 CASE. THERE USED TO BE A SIDEWALK THAT LED FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE FRONT DOOR. WAS THIS EVER ADDRESSED? AND IF YES, WAS APPROVAL PROVIDED FOR NOT REPLACING THE FRONT SIDEWALK. THANK YOU. SO THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU DO HAVE A FEW LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDER IF YOU WANNA REFERENCE THOSE. UM, AND SO IF ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO REQUEST THAT. THANKS COREY. IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? I'D LIKE TO PULL, UH, THE FIRST ITEM UP FOR ROAD. I CONCUR. I WOULD TOO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY, SO NOW YOU CAN TAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE REMAINDER, YEAH, WHICH WOULD BE ITEMS TWO THROUGH FOUR. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I MOVE TO ACCEPT, UM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AS WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. GARCIA AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. POLL? AYE. SEPULVEDA AYE. IN VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 5 0 5 RIVER ROAD, 2 0 6 EAST SUMMIT IN 9 26 LAMAR, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UM, COMMISSIONERS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, MS. MARIA DELCARMEN DRURY IS HERE IN PERSON AS IS THE, UH, NEW CONTRACTOR THAT'S PROPOSING TO INSTALL THE METAL ROOF. UH, AND IF, UM, YOU'D LIKE, I CAN PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND AND A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE, UH, COMPLIANCE EFFORTS THAT STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THUS FAR AND WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO HAVE THE REQUEST THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY. EDWARD, WOULD, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AND, UM, MENTION ALL THE VIOLATIONS AND HOW THEY DIDN'T, UM, ABIDE BY I WASN'T IT, UH, ONE STOP WORK ORDER AND THEN A SECOND ONE WAS SENT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT WAS A CONTRACTOR THAT'S NO LONGER INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, THAT CONTRACTOR GHOSTED STAFF JUST AS MUCH AS HE GHOSTED THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, THIS WAS ALL IN, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, 2024. UH, YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER THAT THIS CASE CAME BEFORE THE, UH, CTA, UH, IN FEBRUARY OR SO OF LAST YEAR. UM, AND THE REQUEST TO KEEP THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WAS DENIED. UM, AFTER THAT POINT STAFF FILED, WE ACTUALLY FILED TWO MUNICIPAL COURT CASES. UM, MS. MARIA DEL CARMEN JURY AND HER SON, UM, WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE, UM, THAT REPLACING THE STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF WITH THIS TILE ROOF. UM, WHICH THERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES THAT, THAT THE HDRC HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. AND WE THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT'S NOT A MATCH FOR THE ORIGINAL, UM, OR A TILE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINAL, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY A COMPROMISE AND A STEP TOWARD COMPLIANCE THAT IS BETTER THAN THE STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF THAT'S ON NOW. UM, SO ANYWAYS, UM, AFTER FILING TWO MUNICIPAL COURT CASES, WE WERE ABLE TO FINALLY START GETTING IN CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AND WORKING THROUGH OUR SON. UM, THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THERE IS, UM, A SIGNIFICANT COST BARRIER, UM, AFTER REPLACING THE ROOF PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHERE THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH OBTAINING A PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND OBTAINING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS [00:15:01] FROM US, OBVIOUSLY IF HE WOULD'VE TAKEN THAT STEP, UM, THIS ROOF THAT'S ON NOW WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUT ON. UM, AND SO THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING OR THE CURRENT STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE SIMULATED TILE ROOF, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION AT THIS TIME IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION. UM, YOU KNOW, I I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS IN A POSITION TO REPLACE THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A CLAY TILE ROOF. UH, SO, UM, IF THERE'S A, A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT METAL ROOF CAN BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THIS SUPER LOUD GAL BLOOM FINISH, UM, THEN THIS MAY BE THE ONLY SOLUTION. UM, I WILL NOTE, UM, AT, AT ONE POINT STAFF THOUGHT, AND I WILL PULL UP THE, UM, I'LL PULL UP THE CASE FILE FROM LAST YEAR. AT ONE POINT, STAFF THOUGHT THAT THE ROOF THAT WAS ON, UH, THE HOUSE, UM, PRIOR TO LAST JANUARY OR SO, UH, WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF. UM, IT WAS A TILE ROOF, IT WAS A REPLACEMENT TILE ROOF. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE REPLACEMENT TILE ROOF THAT WAS INSTALLED, YOU CAN SEE THE UNDERLAYER, UH, UNDERLAYMENT HERE. THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A MORE RECENT BUILDING MATERIAL. UM, THE TILE ROOF THAT WAS REMOVED WHILE IT WASN'T ORIGINAL WAS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. UM, SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE ROOF THAT WAS REMOVED WHILE IT WASN'T ORIGINAL WAS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. UM, BUT WE DO THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS AN, IS AN OKAY ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE INSTALLATION OF A ROOF THAT SIMULATES A TILE ROOF AND WOULD RESULT IN THE REMOVAL OF THE GAL METAL ROOF, UH, WHICH IS IN NO WAY APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. UH, COREY OR I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE ABOUT, UM, THE STEPS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE TRY TO TAKE THROUGH COMPLIANCE. UM, COMPLIANCE THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT IS, IS SOMEWHAT TRICKY, UM, AND DOESN'T HAVE THE TEETH THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS MAY THINK IT DOES. SO, UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF A SUMMARY. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE AS IS THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR, AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT OR ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, AND I SEE THAT THE, UH, THE CHAIR HAS HER HAND UP ONLINE. GO AHEAD AND, UM, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, FIRST OF ALL, STAFF, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. THE ONE THAT GOT PULLED, I KNOW ACTUALLY LOOKING AT TO BE AN EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, RECOVERY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT TAKES A A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO RECOVER. ARE WE LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION SO THAT WE'RE NOT BURDENING THEM FINANCIALLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY WAS STAFF AND THE OWNER AS HE STATED GHOSTED, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY EXTEND THE TIME TO WHERE WE CAN SUPPORT THEM? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT IN FACT, I COULDN'T SEE THE DOCUMENT, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I GOT IT. UM, I'LL, I'LL RESPOND TO THAT. UM, YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A YEAR OF SORT OF COMPLIANCE EFFORT BETWEEN STAFF, UM, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CONTRACTORS. I THINK THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS INVOLVED. AND SO THERE HAS BEEN TIME, UH, THROUGH THAT SORT OF COMPLIANCE EFFORT TO PROVIDE, UM, POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR COMPLIANCE AND, UM, AND REMEDIES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE, UM, LOOKING AT A NEW CLAY TILE ROOF, UM, AND THERE WAS AN APPROVAL, UM, THAT WAS NEVER REALIZED. AND SO AT THIS TIME, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WILLING TO INSTALL TODAY. THEY HAVE THE, THE FUNDING TO DO THIS TYPE OF ROOF. AND SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED COMPROMISE. AND SO STAFF EVALUATED THAT. WE DID DECIDE TO REFER IT HERE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S STILL A CHANGE IN MATERIALS AND REQUIRES CTAP APPROVAL, BUT STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS SOLUTION. THANK YOU JUAN . GREAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY, UM, OR QUESTIONS, SORRY, FROM COMMISSIONERS? I'LL START ON THE LEFT HERE JUST FOR REFERENCE. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, THIS PATTERNED METAL ROOF WITH THE TILE, UH, PATTERN HAS BEEN USED AT LEAST A LITTLE BEFORE. UM, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS? IT, IT, IS, IT, IT'S, IS IT LIMITED TO CERTAIN DISTRICTS IN THE PAST OR, UM, THERE, I, IN MENTIONING THAT THERE'S ONE PROPERTY THAT I THINK IT WAS MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, SO PRIOR TO THIS BOARD IN MONTE VISTA, UH, AND IT WAS THE REPLACEMENT OF, OF AN ORIGINAL CLAY TILE ROOF WITH THE METAL PRODUCT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS IF IT WAS THIS EXACT PRODUCT OR IF IT WAS A, A BETTER PRODUCT OR A PRODUCT THAT WASN'T AS AS GOOD, BUT, UM, VERY LIMITED. UM, [00:20:01] BUT OF COURSE THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW CASES ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASIS. WELL, I, I'LL ADD IT 'CAUSE I WAS THERE, IT WAS 12 YEARS AGO AND IT WAS 1 25 WEST SUMMIT, IF YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP ON GOOGLE. UM, AND IT WAS A VERY CAREFUL DECISION. UM, AND IT WAS AN ISSUE OF EXPENSE, UM, BECAUSE THE CLAY TILE IS QUITE EXPENSIVE, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE SAY SPOT REPAIR, DON'T FULLY REPLACE. UM, AND SO THERE WAS A DRC SITE VISIT, UM, WHERE WE LOOKED AT SAMPLES AND MOCKUPS AND TRIED TO UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THE VISUAL IMPACT WOULD BE. AND SO THIS IS THE RESULT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE TRAINED EYE YOU CAN PROBABLY MAKE THAT OUT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THIS, THIS GOES UNNOTICED AS A ALTERNATE MATERIAL IN THE INTERVENING 12 YEARS. HAVE YOU, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF APPROVALS FOR, FOR SIMILAR ROOFS, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN MANY APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED, UH, TO GO WITH THIS, UH, PATTERNED METAL ROOF AS OPPOSED TO CLAY TILE? NOT, NOT EVERY ROOF THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A TRUE CLAY TILE. AND SO WE'VE HAD, I THINK MORE COMMON WE HAVE CONCRETE OR CEMENT TILES THAT COME IN. THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE BRITTLE AND HAVEN'T HELD UP AS WELL AS THE CLAY TILE. UM, AND SO IN THOSE CASES, SUBSTITUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UM, THIS IS THE ONE I CAN THINK OF THAT'S A TRUE CLAY TILE THAT WAS REPLACED WITH A METAL ROOF, UH, SIMULATION. UM, AND THE METAL ROOF SIMULATION MATERIAL IS NOT AS COMMON. AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S OUT THERE. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH COMPLIANCE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS STATING THAT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD A NEW, UH, CLAY, CLAY ROOF. UH, WE TOLD 'EM TO EXPLORE THESE PRODUCTS TO SEE IF THEY COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS SUITABLE. AND FINALLY, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FOLLOW UP OR OTHER ANECDOTAL CONVERSATIONS WITH EITHER THAT APPLICANT OR, OR SUBSEQUENT OWNERS ON THAT HOUSE FROM 12 YEARS AGO ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS? UM, NO. NO. EDWARD, WOULD YOU MIND ZOOMING IN ON THAT? INTERESTING. IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM MY COMMISSIONERS ON THE RIGHT? I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, DID YOU SAY THE CONTRACTOR WAS HERE? UH, YES. THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S, THAT'S WORKING TO INSTALL THE NEW ROOF IS HERE AS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER. IF Y'ALL COULD COME UP. HI, JUST, MY NAME IS SYLVIA AND I'M REPRESENTING, UH, SUSTAINABLE KW ROOFING. ALL RIGHT. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING GOOD. HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? PRETTY GOOD. IT'S GOOD FRIDAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . IT'S RIGHT. UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE'S NOT AN, HAVE YOU INSTALLED THIS KIND OF ROOF BEFORE? YES, WE'VE INSTALLED SEVERAL ROOFS, BUT AT OTHER PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE SHINGLE ROOFS AND WE REMOVE IT AND INSTALL TILL CORE, UM, MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT THE PROFILE THAT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WON'T NECESSARILY MATCH THE PROPOSAL OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE IN TERMS OF BEING A CLAY TILE. IS THERE ANYTHING, I MEAN, YOU SHOW A SPEC, BUT, UM, IT REALLY DOESN'T GIVE US ANY REAL INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN PLACE. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES? I DIDN'T BRING ONE BECAUSE MY HUSBAND HAD SURGERY AND EMERGENCY SURGERY AND I COULDN'T GO PICK UP A SAMPLE. OKAY. BUT THEY DO LOOK CLOSE TO IT. REAL CLOSE TO IT. I KNOW. AND YOU NEED A SAMPLE. YEAH, BECAUSE, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A REPLACEMENT OR SUBSTITUTION LIKE THIS, THAT OKAY, THE PROFILE, UM, HAVE AT LEAST SOME, UM, KIND OF, UH, I'M LOOKING FOR THE WORD, UH, SOMETHING THAT MATCHES WHAT WAS THEIR, THE CLOSEST IN TERMS OF PROFILE AND TO SOME DEGREE WHAT THE HEFT OF IT IS. A CLAY TILE HAS A CERTAIN PROFILE AND A CERTAIN WEIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WITH IT. THAT THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHOW, UH, DOESN'T CONVINCE ME WILL HAVE THAT SAME LOOK. OKAY. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS MAYBE YOU HAD ANYTHING? NO, I DIDN'T BRING ONE, BUT I CAN BRING ONE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, COREY, I MISSED YOUR, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT AVAILABILITY OF CLAY TILE. DID YOU, DID, DID YOU COMMENT ON THAT? OH, IT'S DEFINITELY AVAILABLE. YEAH, IT'S JUST EXPENSIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARCIA? UH, YES, THIS IS ALSO A QUESTION FOR CORY. HAS ANYBODY TALKED WITH THE OWNER ABOUT, UM, WAYS TO DEFRAY THE COST OF REPLACING THE ROOF, UH, WITH CLAY TILE, SAY THROUGH GRANTS OR, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE THROUGH [00:25:01] HISTORIC PRESERVATION? MAYBE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY? I BELIEVE WE HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I'VE NEVER HAD A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THROUGH, UM, A CONTRACTOR OR SOMEBODY HELPING THE FAMILY. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED BACK. AND THE OWNER IS WELCOME TO RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL IF SHE'D LIKE. HELLO, I'M THE OWNER OF 5 0 7 FUR. UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED AS TO HOW TO, UH, SUPPLEMENT OR HELP PAY FOR THIS. I RELIED ON THE, ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR AND, UH, HE KEPT TELLING ME THAT HE HAD, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY AND THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING OKAY AND HE KEPT TELLING ME THAT. AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA. THANK YOU. CORY, REFRESH MY MEMORY STAFF IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE HAS, HAS, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE HISTORICAL AREA THAT THIS OWNER IS, HAS VIEWED IT. AND WHAT WAS THEIR OPPOSITION? THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE CHANGE IN THE, IN MATERIAL. UM, THEY HAVE PREFERENCE FOR A CLAY TILE REPLACEMENT, HOWEVER, IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA ON THE, ON THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, ACCORDING TO OUR PRESERVATION COMMITTEES. SO THE GUIDELINES, OUR GUIDELINES SAY THAT IN KIND IS PREFERRED, UM, BUT WHEN NOT FEASIBLE, UM, WE LOOK FOR A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL THAT IS SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE, AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE TEXTURE, COLOR, UH, DIMENSION. UM, SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO SEE IF IT'S COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF A SUBSTITUTE. UM, AND SO THAT IS THE REASON WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS. OBVIOUSLY AN INKIND UH, REPLACEMENT IS PREFERRED, UM, BUT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE, THE ENTIRE YEAR OF COMPLIANCE EFFORTS, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A, A APPROPRIATE, FEASIBLE SOLUTION. OKAY. COREY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW, BUT MAYBE YOU COULD TALK ABOUT, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AS FAR AS PROFILE WEIGHT, UH, COLORING, UH, AGING. SO, I MEAN, THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHOW IT, BUT IT IS A PRESSED METAL. UM, THE DIMENSIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO A TRADITIONAL CLAY TILE. UM, AND IT IS COATED WITH A MATERIAL THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UM, IT'S, IT'S CALLED STONE COATED, BUT IT HAS AN AGGREGATE MIXED INTO THE, UM, THE COLORATION. AND SO IT IS TEXTURED, UM, AND THAT STONE TEXTURE GIVES IT, UM, IT TAKES AWAY THAT METALLIC APPEARANCE. AND SO IN TERMS OF TEXTURE AND APPEARANCE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO A CLAY. IF YOU TOUCH IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE CLAY. UM, BUT FROM A DISTANCE IT DOES MAINTAIN THAT APPEARANCE. AND HOW ABOUT DIMENSION WISE OR THICKNESS? LIKE, UM, IF YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE OF THE HOME. YEAH, SO SEE IT HAS THAT THICKNESS TO THE CLAY TILE. IT HAS A LIP. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE METAL MATERIAL IS QUITE THIN ITSELF, BUT IT HAS A TURN ON THE END. SO IT, IT SIMULATES THE DIMENSION OF A THICKER CLAY TILE. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED TO MAKE? I THINK THEY PURPOSEFULLY IN THE CUT SHEET DIDN'T PUT A DIMENSION OF THE, THE, THE BARREL BECAUSE IT LAYS FLATTER AND IT LOOKS FLATTER. UM, AND THE, THE STONE COATING STEEL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ANY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN SAY A CLAY TILE LIKE CLX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT COST COMPARISONS, LIKE ACTUAL FIGURES TO COMPARE. I WAS GONNA ASK, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ANY KIND OF, OR WOULD THE CONTRACTOR KNOW WHAT THE COMPARISON IS BETWEEN THE PRICING OF CLAY TILE? AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE HAD CLIENTS THAT DECIDED NOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY COSTLY, LIKE BRAVA AND SOME OF THOSE BRANDS, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE AS COSTLY, BUT, SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR OPINION AND OPINION AND KNOWLEDGE ON IT. WAS THE, I'M SORRY MA'AM, UH, YOU THE OWNER? YES. YOU, [00:30:05] SO DID YOU DO A COST COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO AND, UM, NO, I RELIED ON THE CONTRACTOR. HE KEPT TELLING ME IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE. I EVEN ASKED HIM IF WE COULD USE USED TILE. I SAID, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN BUY USED, UH, AND YOU CAN, WELL HE, HE SAID NO, AND HE WAS RELYING ON GETTING THE PRODUCT FROM MEXICO. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I JUST, UH, I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR AND UH, I WELL, YOU'RE THE OWNER AND YOU BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY, SO. RIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY NOW. YEP. UM, BUT NO, I RELIED ON THE CONTRACTOR. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GET THE CLAY TILE SINCE IT IS AVAILABLE HERE? THEY USED CLAY TILE. MM-HMM . WHERE WOULD IT BE AVAILABLE? COREY, EDWARD, SOMEBODY THINK WE, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TO HER. I, I'LL LET CO I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE A QUANTITY OF USED CLAY TILE WOULD BE THAT SHE COULD REPLACE THE ROOF. I, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. SORRY. OKAY. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I WOULD LIKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS RESTATED FOR CLARIFICATION. SO AS WE GET READY TO MOVE INTO A, A DECISION, PLEASE. SURE THING. I WILL, UH, READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. NOW BEAR WITH ME. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED STEEL TILES RESEMBLE THE ORIGINAL IN COLOR AND TWO, THAT THE REMOVED FRONT FACADE FLOWER BOXES BEING RE BE REINSTALLED. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOWED ME A PICTURE PRIOR TO THE HEARING. THEY HAVE BEEN REBUILT AND THEY ARE INSTALLED. UH, SO THE STIPULATION IS THAT THE ONE STIPULATION IS THAT THE, UH, COLOR MATCH THE ORIGINAL OR RESEMBLE THE ORIGINAL IN COLOR, UH, WHICH COULD BE THE EITHER OF THE TOP TWO OR THE BOTTOM TWO. THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR TO TILE ROOFS. AND THE FLOWER BOXES HAVE BEEN RETURNED OR SHE, YES, I SIMILAR SAW A PICTURE AT 8 55 THIS MORNING OF THE FLOWER BOXES. ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE IT? I, THE, I'M SURE THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD PULL IT UP ON HER PHONE AND SHARE IT. AND IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS? UM, I HAVE NONE. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT, UM, THAT GIVEN WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS HOME, THAT UM, I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT, UM, ALLOWING A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL THAT IS SO DIFFERENT FROM, UM, THE ORIGINAL TO BE USED, UH, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT IS GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. UM, I REALLY EMPATHIZE WITH THE OWNER BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, SHE PUT HER TRUST INTO, UM, A CONTRACTOR THAT WASN'T AS STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH HER AS HE MIGHT'VE BEEN. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S STILL SOME AVENUES OF EXPLORATION, UH, TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO MAYBE STILL GET, UM, A CLAY TILE ROOF INSTALLED. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY STATEMENT. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE MY HAND UP. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD, JUANITA. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH THOUGH. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE. I BELIEVE THIS IS, THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE DO HAVE TO FALL BACK TO THE ORDINANCE, FALL BACK INTO THE GUIDELINES AND AS WELL AS THE EFFORTS THAT WERE MADE THAT HAVE EXTENDED OVER A YEAR. AND I AM INCLINED TO, TO MR. PUL, WE LOST YOUR AUDIO. LET ME MAKE SURE YOU'RE UNMUTED. YEAH, TRY AGAIN. IT'S THE SYSTEM. OH, ONE SECOND. WE SWITCHED THE CAMERA AND THAT MESSED EVERYTHING UP. SO , HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HERE WE GO. I'LL, UH, ZOOM IN. [00:35:02] SO CHAIR SEPULVEDA, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING, BUT IT IS A PHOTO OF THE HOUSE, UH, RECENTLY WITH THE REINSTALLED PLANTER BOXES. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO GIVE US A MOMENT TO SWITCH BACK AND THEN WE WILL GET COMMENTS FROM CHAIR SEPULVEDA. OKAY. TRY TO UNMUTE. UM, YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUAN, YOU WANNA FINISH YOUR COMMENTS? NO, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE INPUT? EDWARD, COULD YOU TRY NOW? OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE A, I FEEL LIKE A COMMERCIAL. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? . SO MY, MY, UM, THOUGH I RESPECT MY, MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT I, I ALSO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT STAFF HAS MADE EXTENDED EFFORTS AS WELL AS THE OWNER AND CONTRACTOR. YES, EMPATHY IS WELL UNDERSTOOD. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESPECT FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE, I ALSO RESPECT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE OPPOSED TO HOWEVER, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE, UM, ALLOWANCES. AND THOUGH I MAY NOT NECESSARILY, UM, UNDERSTAND ALL THE ALLOWANCES OR UNDERSTAND THE COMPLIANCES, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO, YOU KNOW, VICE CHAIR, THAT THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. WE WERE ALL PROVIDED THE GUIDELINES, YES, THE OWNER WAS AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE AFTER THE FACT. BUT WE AS A COMMITTEE AND A COMMUNITY ALSO NEED TO LEARN TO SUPPORT OUR, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL AS ALSO ENTRUSTED OUR STAFF IN MAKING THE MOST APPROPRIATE DECISION. I I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD. NO, NO. I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A VOTE. I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. THERE'S NOT A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS. NAY FLORES NAY GARCIA NAY REGARD? NAY SET, SIR? NAY FULLERTON NAY POLL. AYE. VASQUEZ, NAY AND VEDA? AYE. SORRY THAT WAS OUT OF ORDER, BUT MOTION FAILS. DO NEED A NEW MOTION, SIR? AND AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION? OR A NEW MOTION? SORRY. UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PHRASE THIS MOTION EXACTLY. SO HELP ME IF I DON'T GET IT CORRECT. BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY, COREY, TO LIKE CONTINUE THIS TO, TO DO MORE RESEARCH INTO WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE? YEAH, YOU CAN PROBABLY REFER TO WORK SESSION. UM, SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PRODUCT AND WHAT'S ON THE TABLE HERE, LET'S ASK FOR HAVING THE PRODUCT ON SITE AND IF WE CAN MOCK UP, THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. UM, SO I WOULD REFER TO COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REFER THIS, UH, ITEM TO COMMITTEE. I SECOND, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. GARCIA? AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. POLL. AYE. AYE. AND VASQUEZ. AYE. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SO MA'AM, UM, BRIAN, WE WILL SPEAK WITH YOU IN THE HALL ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS. WE'LL BASICALLY SCHEDULE A TIME TO HAVE A SITE VISIT IN THE COMING WEEKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY COMMISSIONERS. I'LL MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THAT INFORMATION IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND. THANK YOU. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] NEXT, MOVING ON. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 4 1 8 0 8 NORTH PINE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL [00:40:01] TO INSTALL A ROD IRON FRONT YARD FENCE AT 8 0 8 NORTH PINE STREET. LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE FENCE TO FEATURE FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND TO FEATURE A SLIDING DRIVEWAY. GATE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO PORTION OF THE FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, INCLUDING GATES. THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF ARCH GATES. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. MICHAEL RAMIREZ IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'LL LET MR. RAMIREZ MAKE HIS PRESENTATION. UM, BUT THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY ELEMENT OF THE FE IN QUESTION, UH, IS THE ARCHED ELEMENTS AT THE DRIVEWAY GATE, UH, AND THE PEDESTRIAN GATE. UH, SO, UH, MR. RAMIREZ, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP IN, UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. SORRY, THIS IS MY FIRST ONE. SO, UH, I'VE HAD THE HOME FOR LIKE THREE MONTHS . SO, UM, YEAH, SO ALL I I JUST WANT TO ADD CHARACTER TO THE FENCE. UM, I UNDERSTAND WE WANT A STRAIGHT LINE FENCE ACROSS, BUT, UM, MY HOME, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT UP, UM, IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER HOMES. SO IT WAS BUILT IN 1897, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA ADD CHARACTER TO SOME PART OF THE FENCE. SO THE PEDESTRIAN GATE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE DRIVE, WHERE THE LITTLE WALKWAY'S AT. UM, WE PROBABLY GO NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES. UH, SO FOUR AND A HALF FEET WOULD BE WHERE THE TOP OF THE, UH, THE GATE WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN FENCE AND THE DRIVEWAY. I SAID JUST TO ADD SOME CHARACTER TO THE FENCE, SO IT'S JUST NOT A STRAIGHT LINE. UM, THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING FOR. SO I KNOW IT'S ABOVE THE FOUR FOOT LIMIT. UH, BUT I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR TOO EXACTLY TO MY LEFT. UH, THAT HAS TWO PEDESTRIAN GATES AND ONE DRIVEWAY GATE THAT HAS AN ARCH. UH, THERE'S ONE FURTHER DOWN MY STREET ON, UM, ON PINE, AND THEN THERE'S SILVER ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I JUST DID A QUICK WALKTHROUGH WITH MY DOG REAL QUICK AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? SO JUST ASKING TO GET CONCURRENCE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, UM, NOT MUCH OTHER TO IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THE ISSUE IS NOT THE FACT THAT IT HAS AN ARCH, THE ISSUE IS WHAT THE HEIGHT WOULD RESULT IN, SO, YEAH. YEAH, SO, UM, SO THE FENCE IS ACTUALLY BEING, UH, IT'S A FULL CUSTOM FENCE, SO THEY'RE BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH. SO I CAN ACTUALLY GO TO WHATEVER HEIGHT I NEED TO. SO I WAS, WE WERE THINKING FOUR AND A HALF FEET, SO JUST SIX INCHES ABOVE. UM, BUT IF I NEED TO BRING IT DOWN, LIKE I SAID, THE INTENT, UH, FOR US IS JUST TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CHARACTER TO THE, TO THE GATES, UH, WHERE IT'S JUST NOT A FLAT FENCE ALL THE WAY ACROSS. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I THINK THE OTHER EXAMPLE OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, I THINK IS THAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE THAT HAS ANOTHER ARCH. I THINK THAT ONE DOES GO AT EXACTLY FOUR FEET, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT MATCHES UP WITH THE CIRCLE, RIGHT? AM I LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING? UH, DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE NUMBER? UM, UH, UH, 15 I THINK. SORRY, 15 I THINK. IS THAT, IS THAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE? LIKE THAT WOULD BE FINE. UM, SO, SO THAT ONE, THE, THE ARCH GOES AT EXACTLY WHERE THE LITTLE BLACK ROUND BALLS ARE. I THINK THE TIPS OF THE TRAIN, UH, THE OH YEAH, THE, LIKE GENERALLY THE AL LOCATION ON THE FENCE. THANK YOU. AND ALSO I JUST WANNA REMIND, UH, COMMISSIONER REGARD, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IN GENERAL TOO. THE FENCE. WELL, THE, IT'S, SO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOTED, SO HERE I'LL GO UP TO THE, UH, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOTED THAT THE PICKETS THAT, THAT THE FENCE WILL NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. IT'S ONLY AT THE LOCATION OF THE GATE WHERE THE ARCH ARCHES UP THAT IT WILL EXCEED FOUR FEET. SO THE, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE FENCE. IT'S ONLY THE GATE, THE TWO GATES, JUST THE TWO ARCHED PARTS. YEAH. IF YOU, UM, I FORGET WHICH SLIDE IT IS. IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WHERE IT HAS A SIDE VIEW, UM, RIGHT THERE THAT, UH, RIGHT THERE. SO I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, UH, TO THE GATE, RIGHT? UM, RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD, BUT IT'S OKAY. SEE IT'S RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE TREES. YEAH. SO SEE HERS? YEAH, KIND OF. IT'S, YEAH, HERS IS ACTUALLY ABOVE FOUR FEET, I GET. YEAH. UM, HERS IS PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF FEET AT THE, AT THE PICKETS AND THEN THE ARCH ACTUALLY GETS TO ABOUT FIVE. GREAT. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET TO THAT. I WANNA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINE. I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED SOME ARCH ON MY PEDESTRIAN GATE AND STUFF, SO. GREAT. UM, [00:45:01] QUESTIONS FROM MY COMMISSIONERS ON THE RIGHT? YEAH. DID WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, THERE IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKETS, THERE IS A, SORRY I MISSED IT. UH, LETTER. UM, SO 8 0 8 0 8 NORTH PINE. UH, THEY STATE WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. SORRY, I MISSED IT. NO, NO WORRIES. NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ONLINE OR, SORRY. YEAH. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. GO AHEAD. UM, SO THE ONLY THING IS, IS JUST AS LONG AS WE BRING IT DOWN TO THE FOUR FEET, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE CAN PERMIT THE ARCH. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES MA'AM. SO THE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH AN ARCHED ELEMENT, IT'S ONLY THE HEIGHT. UM, SO THE GUIDELINES STATE THAT FRONT YARD FENCES SHOULD NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT THAT IS IN CONTENTION. OKAY. AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA ASSUME, BUT THE OWNER IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE FOUR FEET WITH THE ARCH. SO I WANT TO GO ABOVE FOUR FEET. I WANNA GO TO FOUR AND A HALF WHERE THE TOP OF THE PICKETS HIT FOUR AND A HALF, KIND OF LIKE ALL MY NEIGHBORS DO. UM, WHERE, LIKE I SAID, THE NORMAL FENCE WOULD HIT FOUR AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN GATE AND THE DRIVEWAY GATE, THE PICKETS WOULD LAND AT FOUR AND A HALF FEET IN THE MIDDLE, UM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE BELOW. AND WITH THIS CLARIFICATION OF THE APPLICANT, I WILL SAY FOUR AND A HALF FEET IS PERMISSIBLE. UM, BUT ANY MORE THAN THAT WOULD, MIGHT TRIGGER VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND SO, RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, IT'S, UH, THE GATE IS ACTUALLY FULLY CUSTOM, SO THEY'RE BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH. SO WHATEVER I TELL THE CONTRACTOR THE HEIGHT WOULD BE IS WHERE HE WOULD LAND THE FENCE. SO, UH, CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. SO THAT ACTUALLY WAS GONNA BE MY FOLLOW UP 'CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SAYING CUSTOM MADE. SO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S CUSTOM MADE, IT, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FOUR FEET, EVEN WITH THE ARCH IN THE PICKET, LIKE THAT, THAT IS A FEASIBLE THING. YES. OKAY. I JUST, UM, SO I, SO I, I KIND OF DO THE ARCHITECT STUFF, SO I JUST, UM, THE WAY THAT THE FENCE WILL LOOK AS WHEN YOU SEE THE CURVES, I WANT TO TRY TO MATCH WHERE THE CURVE GOES ABOVE, NOT THE CURVE BELOW THE FENCE LINE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT WOULD LOOK KIND OF A LITTLE OFF. 'CAUSE I WOULD HAVE MY CURVE UNDERNEATH NOT GOING AND FLOWING STRAIGHT THROUGH, UM, IS KIND OF WHAT THE INTENT WAS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE ON THE PEDESTRIAN GATE, IT KIND OF IS BELOW THE, THE REGULAR. SO I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT SMOOTH ACROSS. OKAY. THE BOARD. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON YEAH, JUST ONE. UH, THESE OTHER PHOTOS THAT YOU SUBMITTED, THEY'RE ALL FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, MA'AM. THERE'S, UH, PROBABLY LIKE THREE OR FOUR ON MY STREET ON PINE STREET. UM, LIKE I JUST DID A QUICK WALK AROUND WITH THE DOG, SO I COULD HAVE PROBABLY GONE AND GOT SEVERAL OTHER FENCES THAT ARE ABOVE FOUR FEET, UH, WHERE THE ARCH GOES OVER IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO INUNDATE WITH A HUNDRED PICTURES. RIGHT. , MR. CHAIR, COULD I ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP? GO AHEAD. DOES STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF, OF THIS, UH, APPARENT TREND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, OF GATEWAYS BEING SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE, THE FOUR FEET LEVEL? UM, SO, UM, IF WHEN YOU GO AND GET A PERMIT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S FOR FENCE OR SETBACK, ET CETERA, WILL GIVE YOU AN ADMINISTRATIVE ALLOWANCE OF APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES. UM, SO, UH, SOME OF 'EM YOU SAY FOUR FEET, WELL, YOU KNOW, GRADE CHANGE OR MATERIAL CUT OR, OR FABRICATION ON SITE, UM, THERE'S SOME VARIANCE OR ALLOWANCE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S SOME OF IT, UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN INSTALLED FOR 20, 25 YEARS AND PREDATE THE GUIDELINES SAYING FOUR FEET IS THE REQUIRED HEIGHT FOR FRONT YARD FENCE. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OVER THE PAST AND ON AGENDAS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE HDRC WHERE SOMEBODY SAID, I WANT FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES, I WANT FOUR FEET, EIGHT INCHES. UH, DSD WILL ALLOW YOU OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD FENCE THAT'S FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT. UH, SO, UM, IT, IT, IT, THERE'S A, A, A LOT OF VARIABLES AND A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF WAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF INSTALLING THESE. UM, OUR DIRECTIVE WITH THE GUIDELINES IS TO ESSENTIALLY SAY FRONT YARD FENCES SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. UH, AND TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE THE HEIGHT. AND SO, UH, CONSISTENTLY OUTSIDE OF VIOLATION CASES, UM, THAT FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT HAS BEEN, UH, WHAT'S PREDOMINANTLY BEEN INSTALLED UNLESS IT'S A VIOLATION WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS OR SO. COULD I SUGGEST MR. CHAIR THAT [00:50:01] THE APPLICANT, UM, IF, IF THE C TTAB DOES APPROVE THE, THE PROPOSAL TODAY, DID HE ENCOURAGE HIS CONTRACTOR TO DO IT? CARPENTERS OFTEN DO MEASURE TWICE, UM, AND, AND MAKE SURE HE INSTALLS, UH, RIGHT UP TO THE LIMIT, BUT, BUT NOT ABOVE. YES, SIR. GREAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO IF, UM, ACTUALLY, I, I DO, I'M SORRY. NO, WELL, NO, I JUST WAS LOOKING AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THE LAST SENTENCE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SAID THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF ARCHED GATES, BUT YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE ARCHED GATES AS LONG AS THEY FIT WITHIN THE FOREFOOT GUIDELINE. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THAT SENTENCE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. CORRECT. SO, UM, AS THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED THE ARCHES WOULD RESULT IN A, IN HEIGHT HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING, UM, IS THAT THEY WOULD ELIMINATE THAT. WELL, SO TECHNICALLY IF THE ARCHES RESULTED IN FOUR FEET, TWO INCHES, FOUR INCHES, FIVE INCHES, SIX INCHES, HE WOULD BE WITHIN THAT ALLOWANCE OF WHAT DSD WOULD PERMIT. UH, THAT'S WHAT COREY WAS ALLUDING TO WHEN HE SAID ANYTHING OVER THAT WOULD REQUIRE MIGHT REQUIRE VARIANCE. UH, SO, UM, IT FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, IF THE, THE EMOTION COULD BE THAT THE FENCE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT OR FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES IN HEIGHT AT THE DRIVEWAY GATE IN THE PEDESTRIAN GATE. UH, AND TO GIVE SOME ASSURANCE TO THAT, YOU COULD ASK HIS, UH, FABRICATOR TO HAVE A, A SECTION OF FENCE DRAWING, UH, WITH THE DIMENSION ON IT. UM, THAT SHOWS THAT THE TOP OF THE FALS FOR THE FENCE WILL BE FOUR FEET AND THEN WHERE THE ARCHES THAT WON'T EXCEED SIX INCHES. OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS. GREAT. IS THERE ANY MOTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THE, UM, FENCE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A FENCE HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND DRIVEWAY GATES, UM, TO A, NOT TO EXCEED HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES. THERE A SECOND. I SECOND CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. THAT'S ME. DAVIS. AYE FLORES AYE. GARCIA? AYE. REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON AYE. POLL? AYE. SEPULVEDA? AYE. IN VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 5 8 1 25. PASO HONDO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A GRAVEL SURFACE PARKING AREA THAT COVERS THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT YARD FACING PASO HONDO FEATURING PARKING, CURBS AND POLE SIGNS. AND TWO, INSTALL A 24 FOOT WIDE CURB CUT AT THE CENTER OF THE FRONT YARD. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS AT LEAST 50% NATIVE PLANTINGS OR GREEN SPACE IN THE FRONT YARD WITH NATURAL COLORED GROUND COVER AND UTILIZES THE TRADITIONAL DRIVEWAY AREA ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. A DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND A DRIVEWAY APRON SHOULD NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER IN YOUR FOLDERS AND ONE VOICEMAIL. AND THE APPLICANT OSCAR GARA IS WITH US IN PERSON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR CASE. YES. UM, I AM THE OWNER OF, UH, 1 25 PAON. WE PURCHASED A HOUSE, UM, LAST YEAR, SO I WAS TOLD I'M TRYING TO PROCESS A, A, UH, STR PERMIT. SIR, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING? YES. SO, UM, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO I'M TRYING TO PROCESS AN SDR PER, UH, PERMIT. SO THEY TOLD ME I NEED, UH, TO HAVE THREE AND A HALF PARKING SP THREE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES. SO I CAME HERE, HAD A MEETING WITH THE, UH, UH, ONE OF THE SENIOR ENGINEERS. SO, AND THEY TOLD ME I COULD USE GRAVEL, WHICH I DID THE GRAVEL MYSELF. BUT, UH, NOW, UM, I'M TRYING TO DO THE CURVE, BUT APPARENTLY I CANNOT DO IT ON THE CENTER. I GOTTA DO IT ON THE SIDE. ON THE EAST SIDE IS THE RIGHT SIDE, BUT THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE ALSO ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. SO I'M JUST REQUESTING TO HAVE A, UM, THE CURB, THE 24 FOOT CURB APPROVED ON THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY TO, UH, MEET THE PARKING. AND THAT'S FROM THE CONTRACTOR, I GUESS. GREAT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY, UH, WE DO VOICEMAIL. OKAY. [00:55:03] HELLO, MY NAME IS ARI CORTES CALLING ON BEHALF OF DHNA HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CTAP CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 5 8, LOCATED AT 1 25 BUFFALO. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO REPLACE THE CITY SIDEWALK AND UTILIZE THEIR TRADITIONAL DRIVEWAY AREA ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. JUST AS RECENTLY AS JULY, 2024, THE HOUSE HAD GRASS IN THE FRONT YARD WHERE YOU COULD SEE THAT GUESTS WERE PARKING. IT IS AGAINST THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CODE COMPLIANCE FOR ANY VEHICLE TO BE PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD. THIS IS WHY THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO REPLACE THE FRONT YARD WITH 50% GREENERY AS WELL AS REMOVE THE GUEST PARKING SIGNS. NO ONE SHOULD THINK THAT PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD IS PERMITTED. ALSO, CAN IT BE CONFIRMED THAT THIS WAS ONCE USED AS A DUPLEX IN 2007? THERE WERE TWO FRONT DOORS LEADING US TO BELIEVE IT WAS A SIDE BY SIDE TWO STORY DUPLEX. THANK YOU. GREAT. WHAT'S THAT? THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. RACHEL. I'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, COMMISSION'S ON MY RIGHT OR ONLINE? YES. SO GO AHEAD. SO THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE ONLINE WAS A CONFIRMATION OF DUPLEX. IS THIS, IS THIS A, A MULTIPLE FAMILY? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND WHEN WAS IT CONVERTED TO WHAT? MULTIPLE FAMILY? I'M NOT SURE I PURCHASED A PROPERTY LIKE THAT. OKAY. I, I THINK IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. OKAY. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S ZONED THAT POINT, MA'AM. UH, ACTUALLY HAD IT USED TO HAVE A, UH, A C CITY PERMIT FOR THAT. SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, WE ALREADY HAD A C CITY PERMIT. SO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO RENEW THE PERMIT, AND I'M NOT ABLE TO BECAUSE OF THIS, THE PARKING WAS THERE, EVERYTHING WAS LIKE THAT. SO I HAVE TO DO THE CURVE. UH, WHO'S THE CASE MANAGER? I'M SO SORRY. IT'S RACHEL. RACHEL, OKAY. I'M, I APOLOGIZE. I REALLY CAN'T FOCUS ON KIND OF HAVING TO, I APOLOGIZE, RACHEL. UH, RACHEL, DO YOU, DO WE HAVE AN IMAGE OF PRIOR TO THIS GRAVEL? I CAN PULL UP THE GOOGLE STREET FOR YOU. GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT. THANK YOU. UM, AND I, I'M GONNA ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MUDDY THE WATERS HERE. OKAY. UM, SO THE APPLICANT DID STATE, HE GOT FEED FROM FEEDBACK FROM DSD. UM, SO THE ACTUAL, LIKE, CAN YOU HA CAN YOU PARK A CAR? THERE IS A CITY ORDINANCE AS THE CALLER SUGGESTED ABOUT NOT PARKING CARS IN FRONT YARDS, BUT REALLY THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT IF YOU'RE PARKING A CAR, IT HAS TO BE ON AN APPROVED SURFACE. YES. AND SO GRAVEL IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY SUCH THING AS LIKE A PERMIT FOR A PARKING SPACE, BUT THERE IS A, A PROCESS FOR, UM, REVIEWING WHETHER OR NOT THE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS ARE IN THE YARD. AND DSD DOES NOT ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THOSE MATERIALS, BUT, BUT WE DO REQUIRE REVIEW OF A CHANGE TO FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE ACTUAL PERMIT PROCESS AND THEN THE COA REVIEW. UM, AND SO OUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT CARS ARE PARKING HERE IS WHOLESALE YARD REPLACEMENT WITH GRAVEL. AND SO LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES FOR FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING AND SITE ELEMENTS, THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON, COREY. AND IS THERE A, ARE YOU AWARE OF GUIDELINES FOR THAT SIGNAGE THAT THAT WAS INSTALLED? IS IT, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE CAN REGULATE. UM, THE GUIDELINES DO SUGGEST THAT PARKING AREAS BE SCREENED. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC, BUT THE, THE OLDER PHOTOS THAT RACHEL WAS PULLING UP THERE HAS BEEN PARKING HERE, UM, JUST NATURALLY OVER THE YEARS. AND SO IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SORT OF FORMALIZED THAT WITH THE WHOLESALE YARD REPLACEMENT. AND SO I THINK WHAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD ASK FOR IS SOME SORT OF MIDDLE LINE BETWEEN INTEGRATING AN APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPE SCHEME WITH HOW THE CARS ARE, ARE PARKING ON THE SITE. AND IS THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT, IS IT 50%? YES, THAT'S THE GENERAL GUIDANCE. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY, UM, RESIDENTS, BUT IT SAYS GUEST PARKING. [01:00:01] SO ARE YOU MM-HMM . IS IT A-V-R-B-O OR ARE YOU RENTING IT SOMEHOW? YES. SHORT-TERM RENTAL. YES MA'AM. SO IT'S SHORT-TERM RENTAL? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, THE PARKING, OH YEAH. SO I DID GET CLARIFICATION HERE AND THEY ACTUALLY TOLD ME THAT THE PARKING HAD TO BE LIKE, I KNOW I TRIED TO FOLLOW THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS TOLD, WHAT I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, AND ASKED, ASKED ABOUT THE GRAVEL, ASKED ABOUT WHERE SHOULD THEY PARK AND THEY POINTED 1, 2, 3, 4. SO THAT'S WHAT I DID AND NOW I CANNOT DO THE CURVE. GREAT. IS THERE ANY MOTIONS? UH, MR. CHAIR, COULD I ASK ONE QUESTION? SORRY, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. DIDN'T SEE I WAS, UH, JUST LOOKING ON GOOGLE MAPS AND THE, UH, PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR WEST, I THINK AT 1 21 PASO? MM-HMM . UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THE TRADITIONAL, UH, DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE LIKE YOURS, UM MM-HMM BUT IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE A CARVE OUT FOR MAYBE TWO PIECES OF PARKING THERE. UM, AND THEY STILL HAVE GIVE OR TAKE 50% OF THE FRONT YARD ALSO IN, UH, IN VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPING. YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER ON THE SIDE? LIKE NO, BECAUSE I'M NOT SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER? NO, BECAUSE I'M NOT ABLE TO FEED THE, I MEAN, TO UH, PARK THREE VEHICLES THERE. IS THERE ANY MOTIONS, UM, COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? UH, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION ON COREY. SO BASICALLY THE CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, MORE GREENERY, MORE LANDSCAPING, 50%. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE GRAVEL AREAS BE LIMITED TO 50% OF THE TOTAL COVERAGE. UM, IT WOULD BE REVERTING BACK TO SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE. UM, AND THAT APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING BE INSTALLED EVERYWHERE ELSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL UM, TAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE 50% UH, NATIVE GREENERY IN THE FRONT YARD. IS THERE A SECOND? GO AHEAD. ARE YOU, UH, SECOND. OH, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN THAT NO. APPROVE THE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THEN YOU WOULD BE DENYING ONE AND TWO? YEAH, THAT'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS, YEAH. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. VICE CHAIR. GO AHEAD. DISREGARD. THANK YOU. CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON WHO THE SECOND WAS? GO AHEAD COREY. WHO WAS THE SECOND? SO THAT WAS PUL THAT 20, JUST WHAT'S THE SECOND? OKAY. THANK YOU . ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL DAVIS. AYE FLORES. AYE. GARCIA? AYE REGARD? AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE POLL? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. MS. SEPULVEDA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. GREAT. THANK YOU SIR. UH, STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON NEXT STEPS FOR OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT CASE. ITEM NUMBER, NUMBER SEVEN ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA. MARCH 21ST, 2025. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 3 54 3 10 EAST HARDING BOULEVARD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO NUMBER ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH A VINYL WINDOW. PRODUCT TWO, INSTALL A FIBER CEMENT SIDING PRODUCT OVER THE HISTORIC ONE 17 WOOD SIDING. AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ONE 17 HISTORIC WOOD SKIRTING WITH STUCCO. RECOMMENDATION ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD REPAIR 15 OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN KIND MATERIALS THAT MATCH EXISTING IN PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL, AND FINISH BASED ON FINDINGS. A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS REPLACEMENT OF TWO OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT OF THE ONE NON HISTORIC WINDOW WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION BASED ON FINDINGS B, WHICH ARE THE STANDARD, UH, SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT. NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE INSTALLATION OF FIBER CEMENT CEMENT SIDING ATOP THE HISTORIC ONE 17 SIDING. STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD REPAIR AND REPLACE THE EXISTING SIDING WITH INKIND MATERIAL THAT MATCHES EXISTING IN TERMS OF PROFILE DIMENSION, MATERIAL, AND FINISHED BASED ON FINDINGS A AND [01:05:01] C3 STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE INSTALLATION OF STUCCO SKIRTING SAME STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL A SIDING MATERIAL THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING SIDING BASED ON FINDINGS A AND D. UM, WE HAVE, UH, APPLICANT RENEE ENTENTE HERE, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROACH, WAS THERE ANY, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS IN YOUR, UH, LATE FOLDER. I'LL ALSO PULL THEM UP HERE FOR YOUR REVIEW. THANK YOU. AND THERE WAS NO RECORDED MESSAGES. CORRECT? THANK YOU. HI, RENEE LA FUENTE. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MR. VENTER, WHICH IS IN MEXICO ON SPRING BREAK AT THE TIME. SO HOW NICE. UH, I GUESS WE CAN START WITH THE, I GUESS WITH THIS WHOLE WHERE IT'S LOCATED. IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT IT'S BEHIND THE WALMART. THAT'S A STREET RIGHT BEHIND HARDING IS A STREET RIGHT BEHIND A WALMART ON ROOSEVELT AND HARDING. IT'S BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT'S ZONE, ALL THESE PROPERTIES IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. UM, I GUESS MR. ER HAS A PROBLEM ACCEPTING, UM, STATS RECOMMENDATION JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ONE HOUSE IN THE AREA. THE WHOLE AREA, UH, WHICH I COUNTED, THERE'S 13 HOMES THERE THAT HAVE WOODEN WINDOWS. THEY'VE ALL BEEN REPLACED. EVEN THE OLDEST ONE THAT'S FROM 1919 HAS, UH, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UM, I, I, I GUESS, UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK CURRENTLY, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEM. MS. ENT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. UM, IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT LITTLE FRONT PORCH, UH, ENCLOSED AREA THERE. UM, BUT HE DID, I, WE WERE INVOLVED INITIALLY WITH THE FOUNDATION REPAIRS WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE FOUNDATION REPAIRS. SO HE DID LIFT IT ALL UP. AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT THAT STATE. I HAVE, UH, CURRENT PICTURES, I GUESS IN THE, THE, THE PICTURES THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CURRENT PICTURES OR YOU HAVE, I HAVE ALL THE PHOTOS THAT YOU'VE SHARED. I'M GONNA PULL THESE UP. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT'S JUST KINDA GIVES YOU AN IDEA. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE GO OUT THERE TO DO REPAIRS ON THESE WINDOWS. THERE'S LIKE SO MANY MISSING PIECES IN THESE WINDOWS THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SOLUTION TO THESE WINDOWS. THEY, THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRED. AND NOW MS. BROWN WENT OUT ON SITE AND SAID THEY COULD BE REPAIRED, BUT THE COST WOULD BE IT'S, THEY WERE MISSING THE MILL, THE MIDDLE MILLIONS. THEY WERE MISSING THE TOP SASHES. THEY WERE ROTTED. THE WHOLE HOME HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR I MAYBE 20, 30 YEARS. THE SIDING IS, IT'S BASICALLY COMING OFF ON ITS OWN. I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INSIDE WHERE YOU BASICALLY, YOU STAND ANYWHERE INSIDE THE HOUSE AND YOU COULD SEE OUT THERE'S, UH, GAPS IN THE SIDING. THE SIDING IS, IS NOT ANY GOOD AT ALL. UM, THAT'S WHERE MR. ENTR SAYS, IF, IF I KNEW OR IF WE THOUGHT I, I'M IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, YOU MIGHT SEE HOW THERE'S BOTTOM SASHES MISSING. THERE'S JUST SO MANY PIECES MISSING TO THOSE WINDOWS. THERE'S REALLY NO NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO SALVAGE THOSE WINDOWS. AND THE SIDING AS WELL, IT'S BEEN, IT'S ALL LIFTED. IT'S ALL THERE. THERE'S NO WAY. AND MR UH, HE DOES RENTAL PROPERTIES AND HE SUGGESTS, WELL, LET'S JUST COVER IT UP. AND WHAT WE, WE, WE CHANGED IT TO LIKE A BOARD AND BATTEN TYPE DEAL. INITIALLY WE WERE GONNA DO THE TYPICAL SIGHTING, THE HARDY, THAT UGLY S SIGHTING, BUT THEN WE CHANGED IT TO THIS LOOK, THIS ELEVATION THAT I DREW UP THERE WITH A BOARD AND BATTEN. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO RECOMMENDATIONS. WE MAYBE EXPOSE THESE, WE CAN PROBABLY DO THAT TO HELP WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN. UH, BUT I HAVE PICTURES OF ALL THE HOUSES HERE, ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE. THERE'S 13 HOMES, UH, THAT ARE IN THAT AREA OR ON THAT STREET, AND NONE OF 'EM HAVE ORIGINAL WIND WINDOWS. AND MR. RENTERIA THINKS HE'S BEING , UM, UNFAIRLY TREATED. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE AT THIS POINT. UM, OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? GO AHEAD. UH, UM, YOU SAID YOU HAD PHOTOS FROM UP AND DOWN THE HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE? YES. I HAVE THE, ALL THE HOUSES WITH THEIR ADDRESSES AND, AND, AND UH, ADDRESSES FOR EACH ONE OF THEM. I CAN DO IT LIKE THIS, STARTING WITH 3 0 6, I GUESS. THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE, I GUESS. OH, YOU, I GUESS CALY IS PUTTING HIM ON THE PROJECTOR. OKAY. CAITLIN, IS THERE ANY KIND OF WAY TO, I, I FORGET WHAT THE MODERN DAY VERSION IS, BUT IS THERE AN OVERHEAD OR SOMETHING THAT IT CAN BE PUT ON? THERE IS, BUT IT MESSES UP THE AUDIO FOR, SO, BECAUSE THAT'S HER DISTRICT, SO I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO SEE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WELL THEN I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS HOUSE. [01:10:01] OKAY. I I, I HAVE PHYSICALLY GONE BY THIS HOUSE AND SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES THAT HE'S MENTIONED. SO PLEASE VIEW THE PHOTOS. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST PASS THE PHOTO DOWN THE DAAS PLEASE, PLEASE DO SO, YEAH, THAT'S, IF YOU'LL HANG TIGHT FOR A MINUTE, SIR. CAN, WHILE WE'RE PASSING THE PICTURES AROUND, UH, IS THERE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? UH, I GUESS YOU CAN SHOW THIS ONE, COREY. UH, I THINK THIS WOULD JUST BE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WHEN DID THIS, UH, MISSION DISTRICT BE, WAS IT, WHEN WAS IT CREATED? 1977. I, I WILL SAY, UM, THERE ARE A, SO THE MISSION DISTRICT IS LARGELY COMMERCIAL. THERE ARE A FEW RESIDENTIAL POCKETS, OBVIOUSLY. AND SO MANY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THEY'RE NOT AS ORGANIZED AS OUR TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND SO IT IS PRETTY COMMON THAT PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF DESIGNATION. RIGHT, OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, HE WAS COMPLETELY UNAWARE. HE GOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE HE WAS MOVING, GUNNING, LIFTED THE HOUSE UP AND THEN HE'S LIKE, MRS. BRO, PUT THE BRAKES ON EVERYTHING. THOUGHT WHOA, CO OR CAITLIN, CAN I ASK HOW, WAS THIS A CITIZEN REPORT OR, UH, DID DSD ATTACH THIS OR NO, IT WAS REALIZED ON SITE, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE APPLICANT FOUND THAT THEY WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THEY HAD THEN ONCE FOUND OUT, REACHED OUT FOR THE SUBSEQUENT SCOPES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW. THEY'RE TRYING TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND I'LL I'LL SAY ONE MORE THING, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REALLY HELPS, BUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND UM, ALSO BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL POCKETS VARIES. WE ARE OFTEN QUITE FLEXIBLE. UM, AND HOW THE GUIDELINES ARE APPLIED TO THESE HOMES. IN THIS CASE, WE FELT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE LITERALLY PROPOSING TO REPLACE ORIGINAL MATERIALS WITH ALL SYNTHETIC COMPOSITE MATERIALS. AND SO, UM, WE HAVE MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS PER THE GUIDELINES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. LIKE WE, WE ARE FLEXIBLE WHERE IT'S REASONABLE. AND I GUESS I WANT TO ADD THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE, HE, HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT KIND OF REPAIRS. HE'S JUST GONNA DEMOLISH THE THING AND THEN IT'S A, HE WANTS TO GIVE IT A NEW LIFE. 'CAUSE IT'S GOT GOOD BONES, IT'S GOT GOOD WOOD ON THE INSIDE. BUT HE SAYS, IF I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT, I MEAN THAT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. MR. LA FUENTE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU HAD LIFTED UP THE PROPERTY. WAS THIS JUST TO, UH, REPLACE THE FOUNDATION OR, YES. UH, DO, DID WE SHARE THAT THE CURRENT PHOTO, I GUESS THE CURRENT PHOTO SHOWS IT LIFTED UP? YES, WE DID SHARE THE CURRENT PHOTO. IT SHOULD BE PASSED AT THE MOMENT. COREY, JUST A QUESTION THAT'S KIND OF NOT RELATED TO THIS CASE, BUT DO Y'ALL SEND OUT THAT, I THINK, UH, THE FLYER OR THE DOOR HANGER THAT SAYS YOU ARE IN A HISTOR HISTORIC DISTRICT? 'CAUSE ALL OF THOSE HOUSES ARE IN THE PICTURES DON'T SEEM LIKE THEY KNOW A WORD ABOUT BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES, WE DO, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. IN LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, OF THE HOUSES, OF THE OTHER HOUSES THAT YOU, UH, TALK ABOUT, THOSE ALL LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BEING USED FOR RESIDENCES, NOT FOR COMMERCIAL. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? I WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT MAYBE THE ONES AT THE END ARE PROBABLY LIKE BUSINESSLIKE. LIKE, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR YARD THERE IN THE BACK, THE INDUSTRIAL ONES MAYBE TO THE FOUR. I CAN GIVE YOU A MAP SHOWING WHERE, WELL, I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'VE YEAH, WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED LIKE THEIR OWNER OCCUPIED. BUT WHEN THEY'RE SET BACK THAT FAR, THERE'S LIKE THESE COVERED AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE STUFF WHERE THEY STORE. I, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD USE 'EM WHERE THEY LIVE THERE OR THEY HAVE THEIR WORKERS LIVE THERE AND THEN THEY, THEY HAVE THE STUFF IN THE BACK. BUT GENERALLY, YES, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD NOT, MAYBE NOT THE OWNERS, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSES, LIKE THE ONE ON THAT LOOKS REALLY MODERN, THAT HAS A, HAS A GARAGE AND IN 1951 IT SAYS HERE IT WAS BUILT. THAT ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYBODY'S LIVING THERE. I THINK IT'S BEEN STOPPED. MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S KIND OF ABANDONED. WELL, MY, MY UM, QUESTION IS MORE BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA. YEAH, IT IS. YOU KNOW, EVEN YOUR USE HERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? YES. HE, HE DOES RESIDENTIAL. THIS PARTICULAR STREET [01:15:01] IS RESIDENTIAL IS MY POINT, RIGHT? YEAH, AT IT'S A LITTLE RIGHT, THE IMMEDIATE LITTLE PIECE THERE. YEAH, BUT IT, IT KIND OF, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THAT RIGHT NEXT TO IT THEY HAVE ALL THESE MEDICAL BUILDINGS AND THEN THERE'S A BAR, A CADDY CORNER TO BEING IN, THERE'S A BIG BAR RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A WALMART AND THEN THERE'S THESE MEDICAL RIGHT NEXT TO THESE HOUSES, 3 0 6, THERE'S A BIG MEDICAL, IT'S ONE OF THESE BIG MEDICAL YEAH, THEY BOUGHT THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA FOR THIS CLARIFICATION. HE WILL NOT BE RESIDING HERE. IT'LL BE A RENTAL PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, YES. HE BOUGHT IT FOR A RENTAL. AND, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S ADAMANT THAT IF HE DOES, HE'S NOT GONNA COMPLY. HE'S GONNA TEAR IT DOWN. YEAH, YEAH. HE SAYS THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO, IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL. IT STILL HOLDS VALUE MAYBE IN JUST THE LAND PART OF IT. HE WANTS TO KEEP THE HOUSE, BUT HE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. HOWEVER, IT JUST, HOWEVER, THAT PLACE IS NOT COMMERCIAL. THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL. YES, YES. IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL. YES. THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL AND THE BUT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO THIS COMMERCIAL. IT IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL. YES. THE U THE USE IT WAS FOR YES. THEY WERE USING IT FOR A HOUSE. YES. BUT IT'S ON, SITS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS FOR CLARIFICATION. THE HOUSE THAT'S IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW, IS IT LABELED AS COMMERCIAL OR IT'S RESIDENTIAL? IT'S COMMERCIAL. JUAN. IT'S UH, C3. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ZONING DOES NOT ALWAYS MATCH THE USE. AND SO IF THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED AS A RE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH THE ZONING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, INVISIBLE AND OVER THE PROPERTY. UM, I WILL ALSO ADD MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT THIS BODY AND OUR GUIDELINES DO NOT PERTAIN TO USE WHATSOEVER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A HAIR SALON IN HERE, THERE COULD BE A BAKERY. UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE GONNA BE APPLIED THE SAME WAY. THANK YOU. BUT BECAUSE THIS FALLS INTO A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIR? I JUST, UH, POINT OUT THAT ON THE, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S, UH, WEBSITE REGARDING THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THE MAP ITSELF SHOWS THAT THE SECTION WHERE THE WALMART IS TODAY, UH, HAS BEEN CARVED OUT. SO THAT SECTION IS NOT IN THE DISTRICT, BUT THIS SIDE OF THE STREET IS RIGHT. THAT'S I FOUND THAT AWKWARD. YEAH, JUST WHY WOULD WALMART NOT? AND THEN THOSE CLINICS THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO US DON'T REALLY COMPLY WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN, AND THE BAR AREA THAT BARRED DOESN'T COMPLY. BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS ALL UDEMY. UM, WE DO THE ENGINEERING, BUT I, I, I WOULDN'T KNOW MR. CHAIR. I ALSO POINT OUT THAT IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WEBSITE OF, OF THE DISTRICT, IT POINTS OUT THAT THE GROWTH AND THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PRIMARILY SINCE THE 1930S, HAS TRANSFORMED MUCH OF THIS AREA FROM, UH, AGRICULTURAL RURAL INTO AN URBAN OR SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS AREA, ROUGHLY BETWEEN MISSION SAN JUAN AND SAN SPOTA CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS OPEN SPACE IN RURAL OTHER SECTIONS, UH, SUCH AS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE INTERSPERSED WITH PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL LAND USES AMONG RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND HISTORIC AREAS THROUGH WHICH THE RIVER PASSES. SO THE DESCRIPTION OF THE DISTRICT ITSELF DOES POINT OUT THE, UH, UH, THE MIXED USE, UH, CHARACTER OF THIS AREA AND HOW THAT HAS, UH, THE DISTRICT ITSELF SORT OF COMMEMORATES THAT CHANGING USE OVER 300 PLUS YEARS OF TIME AS THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE, UM, WE GO AHEAD, UH, WITH THE MOTION, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE, UM, CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM. UM, STAFF HAS INDICATED A, A WILLINGNESS TO STILL WORK WITH THE CLIENT OR THE OWNER IN REGARD TO, UH, WHAT POSSIBILITIES ARE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. OH YEAH. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I SECOND IT. DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CLUB PLEASE? UH, DAVIS. AYE. FLORES AYE. GARCIA. AYE. REGARD? AYE. SET, SIR? AYE. FULLERTON AYE. POLL? AYE. SEPULVEDA AYE. IN VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION CARIES. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION [01:20:01] STAFF WILL, UH, ASSIST YOU. NEXT CASE PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 6 0 1 33 WEST CRAIG, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A BROAD IRON FENCE AT 1 33 WEST CRAIG, LOCATED WITHIN THE MONTE VISTA, HISTORIC DISTRICT PRO PROPOSED FENCE WILL BE INSTALLED TO RUN PARALLEL TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG BOTH WEST CRAIG AND HOWARD STREET, AND WILL FEATURE A SWINGING PEDESTRIAN GATE ON WEST CRAIG PLACE AND A ROLLING DRIVEWAY GATE ON HOWARD STREET. PROPOSED FENCE FEATURES AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY SEVEN TO EIGHT FEET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE FENCE BE LOWERED TO FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. THE $500 POST-WORK APPLICATION FEE SHALL BE PAID PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PERMIT. UH, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING THE REQUIRED FENCING PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, MR. OMAR IS ITAN IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DAVID DILLY. I, I'M REPRESENTING, UH, MR. ZAN. UH, HE, HE HAS A, A HEAVY ACCENT AND WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW ME TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BETTER CLARIFY SOME, SOME OF THE ISSUES. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UH, SHOW A PHOTO TO THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE FENCE OF HOW IT LOOKS CURRENTLY? UH, THERE WE GO. SO BOARD MEMBERS, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, SO THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS IN THE MONTE VISTA AREA. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS BUILT IN 1950, IT'S QUITE UNUSUAL REALLY COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT I'VE SEEN AT MONTE VISTA. I GREW UP JUST NORTH OF THERE, AND MY LAW OFFICE IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF THERE ON SAN PEDRO, NORTH OF HILDEBRAND. SO I TRAVERSED THE AREA A WHOLE LOT. THIS IS A REALLY UNUSUAL LOOKING BUILDING, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S THREE STORIES HIGH AS COMPARED TO MANY OTHER OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT ARE AT MAX, MAYBE TWO STORIES HIGH. IT HAS A STEEPLE LOOKING ARCHITECTURE IN THE FRONT. I MEAN, UH, UH, THE TOP THERE. I, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT, THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER IS THAT IT, IT IS UNUSUAL AND DIFFERENT COMPARED TO OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, THAT ARE ADJOINING IN THE AREA. THE WR IRON FENCE THAT WAS APPLIED, UH, THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, I WOULD SUBMIT. AND ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, UH, HE DOES APOLOGIZE FOR THE FACT OF THE HASTINESS OF, UH, BUILDING THIS, THIS WR IRON FENCE. UH, WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS HE HAD PURCHASED A PROPERTY ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND BACK IN JANUARY, UM, UH, RIGHT AROUND JANUARY, UH, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN, IN THEFT ACTIVITY AT THIS PROPERTY. IT HAD NO FENCING WHATSOEVER. UH, HE DID CAPTURE THE INDIVIDUAL ON VIDEO, AND RIGHT NOW HE'S TRYING TO UTILIZE CERTAIN SOFTWARE TO TRY TO GET A BETTER LICENSE PLATE FOR POLICE. SO THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF THEFT AND PRESENCE OF SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE AT THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS, UM, MULTIFAMILY, UH, USE IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S A TOTAL OF 10 UNITS. MY CLIENT ACTUALLY LIVES ON PROPERTY IN ONE OF THOSE UNITS. UH, SO IT IS HIS, HIS HOMESTEAD WHERE HE LIVES WITH HIS WIFE. UH, SO THERE WAS A GENUINE CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT INCREASED, UH, THEFT. UM, UH, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THE WROUGHT IRON THAT WAS, UH, USED IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. IT'S OPEN, IT'S, UH, CLEAR SEE-THROUGH, UH, NOT CYCLONE NATURE. SO IT'S NOT A, UM, UH, A TYPE OF, UH, FENCING THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, APPALLING TO PEOPLE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE FENCING, UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT WAS CLAIMED TO BE ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT FEET, UM, I WENT OUT THERE, UH, DID AN EYEBALL, UH, MEASUREMENT OF IT, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE CLOSER TO THE SIX FEET, MAYBE AS HIGH AS SEVEN WITH, UH, THE ARCHES. UM, NOW I WOULD SUBMIT THAT, UM, I DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PASS AROUND TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, IF I MAY APPROACH AND I CAN, I CAN DO THAT. CAN YOU DO THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAY I CAN CONTINUE TO, UH, TO TALK. THERE'S, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES ACTUALLY. UH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL THAT HAVE, UH, FENCE STRUCTURES THAT ARE WROUGHT IRON, UH, SIMILAR TO THIS THAT ARE ACTUALLY EVEN, EVEN HIGHER, UH, IN SOME INSTANCES. UH, WE HAVE A CORNER LOT IN MONTE VISTA THAT'S AT, UH, 1 35 WEST GRAMERCY. THE PHOTOS THAT I, UH, UH, AM PROVIDING TO THE BOARD, THEIR, UH, THEIR BLOWUPS AND THE ADDRESSES ARE LOCATED ON EACH ONE OF THE PHOTOS. SO ONE OF THEM IS WHAT, UH, 1 35 WEST GRAMERCY. IT'S A CORNER LOT, MUCH LIKE THIS PARTICULAR LOT. UM, THERE IS A STOP SIGN THERE AT HOWARD. UM, [01:25:01] AND WHERE THE STOP SIGN IS LOCATED, BASICALLY IT REQUIRES THE MOTORIST TO GO FORWARD. SO THE FENCE DOES NOT POSE ANY TYPE OF, OF VISUAL CONSTRUCT IN ANY WAY, UM, OR OBSTRUCTION. THERE'S ALSO A ONE 14 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY. THERE'S THREE 15 WEST LINWOOD AND TWO PROPERTIES ON BUSHNELL. ONE AT 1 0 4 AND ONE AT 1 55. ALL OF THEM APPEAR TO BE AT LEAST SIX FEET, IF NOT HIGHER. UH, ONE OF THEM IS, UH, IS WROUGHT IRON, BUT IT'S A THICKER POST, UM, AND HAS A DIFFERENT LOOKING DIMENSION. I BELIEVE IT. IT, UH, ASIDE FROM THE VISUALLY AESTHETIC, UH, PROPERTIES OF THE RAR AND FENCING, I BELIEVE THAT IT REALLY GOES WELL WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, BUILDING BEING THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THE LIVED-IN PORTION IS, UH, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR STEPS TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PART. SO THERE'S A STEP UP, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO BEEN A CONSIDERATION IN THE PAST WITH REGARDS TO THE FENCING, UH, ORDINANCE, IS THAT THERE COULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY, UH, ELEVATED, UH, CLOSE TO THE FOREFOOT LEVEL TO PERMIT UP TO ABOUT EIGHT FEET. IN THIS CASE HERE, WE HAVE A FENCE THAT'S LESS THAN THAT. UM, SO THE WAY IT CURRENTLY SITS, UM, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY, UM, UH, OH, THE, THE OTHER ONE THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION IS ACTUALLY ON EAST CRAIG. IT'S 1 0 2 EAST CRAIG. AND THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IS MORE SIMILAR, UH, UH, TO THE ONE THAT MY CLIENT CURRENTLY HAS. SO WE UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION MADE. UM, UH, CURRENTLY THE, THE WAY IT STANDS THOUGH, HOWEVER, THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, UH, A SIGNIFICANT COST TO MY CLIENT, UH, BECAUSE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, NOW I'M A LAWYER, NOT AN ENGINEER ARCHITECT, NOR A CONTRACTOR. BUT, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE POST THAT, THAT SUPPORT THE REST OF THE WR IRON, UH, WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN. I THINK THIS JOB WOULD HAVE TO BE REDONE IN ITS ENTIRETY. UH, THERE'D HAVE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WELDING THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE. UH, THE, UH, THE CONCRETE POSTS, UH, THE CONCRETE, UH, FOUNDATION TO THESE POSTS WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE REDONE. AND SO I THINK BASED ON THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, UM, THIS IS NOT A PROPERTY WITH A, A, A FENCE THAT, THAT BASICALLY WOULD, WOULD STAND OUT, UH, AS, AS AN EYESORE IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY. UH, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY, ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, THE FENCING THE WAY IT CURRENTLY APPEARS. UM, SO I, AS FAR AS WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABLE TO CONSIDER, UM, I, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE COULD BE A TRIGGERING OF A VARIANCE REQUEST THROUGH A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT IT BE APPROVED AS IT IS, UH, UH, BY THIS BOARD. AND IF IT IS NOT APPROVED, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER BE PERMITTED, SOME PAUSE, SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT, UH, A REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND NOT, UM, BE SUBJECTED TO ANY, ANY VIOLATIONS OR CITATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND HE WOULD, UH, HE WOULD MOVE WITH HASTE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO GET, UM, A, UH, A VARIANCE IF, IF THAT REALLY DOES TRULY BECOME NECESSARY. UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER FACTOR THAT I DID WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, AND THIS IS REALLY MORE THE REASON WHY IT WAS, IT WAS BUILT IN HASTE AS WELL, IS THAT MY CLIENT OWNS SEVERAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO. UH, HE HAS REALLY DONE A, A REALLY A GOOD JOB IN, IN REMODELING, REFURBISHING, UH, DISTRESSED APARTMENT COMPLEXES THROUGHOUT TOWN. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PROPERTIES THAT HE PURCHASED. HE'S ORIGINALLY FROM HOUSTON. HE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, BACK IN I BELIEVE 2023, WAS THE VICTIM OF, UH, SEVERE GUNSHOT WOUNDS. UM, WHILE HE WAS INSPECTING ONE OF HIS PROPERTIES, UH, HE, HE, YEAH, HE UNDERWENT SEVERAL SURGERIES. AND SO THERE'S THAT CONCERN THAT HE HAS AS FAR AS CRIME IS CONCERNED. AND, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVING MY OFFICE ON SAN PEDRO, I DO KNOW THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, NOT NECESSARILY OF THE RIGHT KIND OF PEOPLE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DO VARY AND THIS PROPERTY'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THERE. AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST KIND OF ROAM THE AREA. AND SO HE HAD THAT CAUSE FOR CONSENT AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS OF MYSELF OR MY CLIENT? GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'LL ASK THE COMMISSION, IS THERE ANY QUESTION FROM, WE'LL START AT THE VERY END WITH COMMISSIONER DAVIS. THANK YOU. UM, SO, UM, [01:30:01] WORK STARTED ON MARCH 1ST, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING THAT WAS TAKING PLACE BY MARCH 1ST WAS THE PAINTING. I BELIEVE THAT THE, IT HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, THAT EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETED ON MARCH 1ST, THAT THE WHOLE FENCE WAS COMPLETED. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY CLIENT IS THAT IT HAD TAKEN PLACE. I, I THINK HE WAS, UM, THERE WAS, HE WAS IN HOUSTON AT THE TIME, BUT I BELIEVE HE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, UH, FROM, UH, FROM THE CITY, UH, ASKING HIM TO STOP WORK. BUT AT THAT POINT, UH, I THINK ALL THAT WAS REALLY LEFT PER MY CLIENT WAS PAINTING THE WROUGHT IRON, UH, TO GIVE IT THAT, THAT BLACK, UH, GLOSS LOOK, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, EDWARD. I CAN, STAFF CAN CLARIFY. UH, SO, UH, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON MARCH 1ST, UM, WITH THE PHOTO, UH, IT WAS A REPORT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THAT'S WHEN STAFF EMAILED THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, BASICALLY A STOP WORK NOTICE VIA EMAIL. UM, THE WORK CONTINUED THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND THEN EARLY THE NEXT WEEK, STAFF SENT ANOTHER EMAIL, UH, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CODE ENFORCEMENT GOT INVOLVED AND THEY ISSUED A CITATION, UH, FOR NO PERMIT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ON A SATURDAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. THE, THE INITIAL EMAIL WAS ON A SATURDAY. UH, AND THEN THE NO, BUT HE GOT A STOP WORK ORDER FROM DSD ON A SATURDAY. NO, I, I THINK THE DSD STOP WORK ORDER WAS A MONDAY OR TUESDAY. UM, AND THEN WE RECEIVED ANOTHER EMAIL, UH, FROM INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT WAS ON MARCH THE SEVENTH THAT NOTED THAT WORK WAS STILL CONTINUING. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PAINTING. UH, SO ROUGHLY A WEEK, A WEEK LATER, SATURDAY, UM, WAS THE PAINTING. UM, SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY AFTER BEING ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER? 'CAUSE I HEAR THAT COST IS A CONCERN, BUT IT SEEMS CORRECT. UH, CORRECT. UH, I'M, I'M GOING BASED ON WHAT MY CLIENT HAS ADVISED ME. AND, AND MIND YOU, UH, HE WAS IN HOUSTON AT THE TIME, HOWEVER, HIS UNDERSTANDING WAS IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN PERFORMED BY MARCH THE FIRST. AND THERE WAS JUST SOME TOUCHUPS AND SOME OTHER THINGS, UH, UH, THAT TOOK PLACE AFTER THAT, WHICH WERE PREDOMINANTLY PAINTING. UH, THE CREW WASN'T NECESSARILY WORKING ROUND THE CLOCK, YOU KNOW, UH, EIGHT TO EIGHT KIND OF A SITUATION. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY PAINTING, WHICH DID TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS QUITE A LOT OF, UH, FENCING. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. NO, THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LIST? UH, I WAS JUST GONNA, UH, REITERATE WHAT, WHAT SHE SAID WAS, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN INDICATION WHEN THIS INITIAL INSTALLATION OF THE FENCE BEGAN THIS ON FRIDAY. ON FRIDAY, AND ON MONDAY WHEN THEY SEND SOMEBODY WHO IN HOUSTON, THEY SAID, NOBODY'S FRIDAY TODAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, IF YOU WANT SUNDAY, MONDAY WHEN THEY SEND SOMEBODY MEET EACH OTHER. YEAH. OKAY. NOTHING BEFORE HERE. OKAY. MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS FRIDAY, IT WAS THE, THE DAY BEFORE, UH, ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH. YEAH. WE'RE NOT IN A LEAP YEAR. SO IT'D BE THE 28TH IS WHEN IT BEGAN. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR, OR QUESTIONS ONLY COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. MS. GARCIA, WAS THE OWNER AWARE THAT, UH, THERE IS A PROCEDURE THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW IN TERMS OF INSTALLATION OF FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY? NO. AND GIVEN THAT IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT, NO MA'AM, HE WAS NOT. BUT HE'S DONE OTHER VENTURES SUCH AS THESE, UH, NOT, NO. AND SINCE THIS IS CONSIDERED REALLY HIS HOMESTEAD, AND SO HE REALLY, HE, HE LIVES ON PROPERTY. BUT THE OTHER VENTURES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FALL OUTSIDE OF HISTORICAL, UH, DISTRICTS, I, I ACTUALLY REPRESENT THOSE APARTMENTS FOR EVICTION PURPOSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER ONES. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS SUBJECT TO ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OH, JUST A MINUTE, SIR. OKAY. NO, NO, NOT, NOT AT THE MOMENT. I, I, ARE WE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS FOR CLARIFICATION FOR SOMETHING? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE DEFENSE CAME UP WAS THE DEFENSE WAS COMMENCED ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE, UH, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? [01:35:03] IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE, UM, TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH STIPULATIONS. I SECOND, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. GARCIA? AYE. ARD AYE. SETZER? AYE. FULLERTON AYE. POLL? AYE. SEPULVEDA? AYE. IN VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UH, A HISTORIC STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON NEXT STEPS. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY I HAVE, UH, THE EXHIBITS? I DON'T KNOW WHO MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. YES, WE ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. GREAT JOB TODAY. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.