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TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16TH, 2025,
[3:00 PM – Call to Order]
AND I CALLED THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? YES.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS A ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MARIE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT'S THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, EXCUSE ME.
AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS WANTS TO BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GEVA HAS JOINED US AND IS ONLINE VIRTUALLY.
UM, QUIZ A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE THIS'S OUR LAST HEARING IN THE MONTH OF APRIL, UM, UPCOMING IN MAY IS PRESERVATION MONTH.
AND SO WE DO A NUMBER OF, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES DURING THAT MONTH TO CELEBRATE, UH, LOCAL PRESERVATION EFFORTS AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS.
UM, BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, HOME REPAIR FAIR.
THIS IS OUR, OUR MAIN EVENT FOR THE YEAR.
UM, IF YOU ATTENDED THE HISTORIC HOMEOWNERS FAIR IN THE PAST, THIS IS A, UH, UH, UPGRADE OF THAT EVENT.
AND SO FOCUSING MORE ON HANDS-ON, UH, DEMONSTRATION, LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS, UM, AND AN EXPANSION OF THE EVENT IN GENERAL.
AND SO THIS WILL BE ON SATURDAY, MAY 17TH, BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 2:00 PM IT'S HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE AT THE OLD WOOD COURTHOUSE IN HEMISPHERE.
AND SO THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
SO IT IS A REALLY NEAT SPACE IF YOU'VE NEVER GOTTEN TO GO INSIDE.
UM, IT WAS BUILT IN 1968 FOR HEMISPHERE AS THE CONFLUENCE, THE THEATER, AND SO WE WILL BE THERE.
UM, ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN AN OLDER OR AGING HOME IS WELCOME TO JOIN AND, AND LEARN SOMETHING AND, UH, PARTICIPATE.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME GIVEAWAYS AS WELL.
AND SO WE DO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME OUT ON SATURDAY MAY 17TH.
UM, IF YOU GO TO SC SPEAKUP.COM AND LOOK FOR PRESERVATION MONTH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, PRESERVATION MONTH EVENTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING ON THAT CALENDAR AND THEN ALSO HOSTING AS WELL.
UM, SO BE SURE TO CHECK THAT OUT WHEN WE, UM, HAVE OUR FIRST HEARING IN MAY.
I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT FULL CALENDAR, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT HERE.
AND IF YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, A HISTORIC HOME, YOU SHOULD BE RECEIVING A DOOR HANGER IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
UM, INVITING YOU TO THE FAIR, BUT THEN ALSO GIVING YOU, UH, NOTICE AND INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THOSE DOOR HANGERS AS WELL.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE CAN PUT THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT ITEM EIGHT HAS BEEN POSTPONED, UM, OR IS WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN ITEM FIVE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, BEFORE THAT WE DO NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM I BELIEVE
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APRIL 2ND.MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ME MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 2ND, 2025.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
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YOU.IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS FOUR 18 ATLANTA ONE 10 WEST ELSMERE NINE 10 EAST, SOUTH CROSS ED ED, ONE MORE.
I'M TRYING TO GET Y'ALL MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL.
UM, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS ON CONSENT.
UM, SO WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS ITEMS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.
ON THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UM, UH, ITEM NEEDS TO BE PULLED.
I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE ANY COMMISSIONS? WISH TO PULL ANY OTHER ITEMS? NOW I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT.
UH, NEW AND IMPROVED MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS CASE ONE, I MEAN CASE NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, SECOND STANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? EVER? ROLL CALL PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, NOW IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, I MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF CASE NUMBER FOUR.
CAN YOU REVIEW THE RECORD? SHOULD BE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
I JUST NOTED TWO AND THREE SO WE CAN UPDATE TO FOUR SECOND STANCE.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND.
SO DO WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL? YES.
WE'RE ALL MOVING FAST TODAY, SO WE'RE GONNA SLOW DOWN
UH, IF YOU'RE THE APPLICANT FOR THESE ITEMS, YOU DON'T NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
ONE HAS BEEN PULLED FROM CONSENT.UH, AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS, UH, A MEMBER FROM THE DESIGN FIRM SHOULD BE ON VIRTUALLY WITH US.
SO I HAVE, UM, FABIOLA AND DAVID HERE.
YOU'LL NEED TO JUST UNMUTE, UM, FABIOLA IF YOU'RE ON YOUR YES.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, EDWARD, IF YOU'D GO TO SHEET 17, PLEASE ON THIS, UH, BASICALLY FLOOR PLAN OF THE, UH, LAGOON BAR THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
I SEE THAT THE WEST EDGE OF THAT BAR IS PROJECTING BEYOND THE EXISTING COLUMN OF A TOWER THERE AT THE RIVER CENTER MALL.
AND, UH, WONDERING IF THAT WEST EDGE OF THE, THE PATIO COULDN'T BE PULLED BACK TO THAT, UH, LARGE COLUMN.
IT'S A VERY, UH, PROMINENT FE THE TOWER IS A PROMINENT FEATURE THERE IN THE LAGOON.
AND, UH, I THINK PULLING THAT BAR, THAT, UH, BAR EDGE BACK TO THAT, UH, COLUMN, AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
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THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER? YES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE POINT TO WHERE WE HAD IT DRAWN, UM, THERE IS, UH, LIKE A STONE BASE THERE, UH, FROM WHERE THERE'S, UH, LIKE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT GOES ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, AND THAT, THAT WAS WHY WE, UH, HAD PLACED IT THERE.
AND IT, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT PORTRAYED, UH, IN THIS, UM, PERSPECTIVE.
UH, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL PICTURES OF WHAT THAT CONDITION IS.
AND SO THE BASE OF THE, OF THE BAR REALLY WOULD BE BUTTING UP TO, TO THAT STONE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE BELOW THE BRIDGE.
UM, AND IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, A A PARTIAL HEIGHT WALL, UH, TO WHERE THE ELEVATED DECK IS.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THE METAL ROOF.
THERE WON'T BE ANY, YOU KNOW, SOLID WALLS.
BUT, UH, THE PROPOSED PLAN IS ELIMINATING QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING THERE.
THE, THE EDGE OF THAT BAR COULD BE PULLED BACK TO THE LARGE COLUMN OF THE TOWER, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW SURE FOR SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE.
IF, IF YOU'D, UH, CONSIDER THAT, UH, I'LL PUT IT IN THE MOTION, CERTAINLY, YES.
WE CAN REVISIT THAT, UM, THE EXTENT OF THE PATIO OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? NOT I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, PULLING THE WEST EDGE OF THE, THE PATIO, UH, BACK TO THE EXISTING TOWER COLUMN, UH, AND INSTALLING LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, CASTILLO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 3 9 1 20.
CALLAHAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT ONE 20.
CALLAHAN THIS LOT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH W STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
ONE THAT A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN BOTH THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD BE PROPOSED IS NOTED IN FINDING E.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOULD BE PRODUCED SHOWING THE PROPOSED SETBACK IN RELATIONSHIP TO ALL EXISTING HISTORIC SETBACKS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE HEIGHTS OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES TO DETERMINE IF THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THREE, THAT THE SECOND LEVEL PORCH ROOF FEATURE DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH SECOND LEVEL PORCHES WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDINGS J AND P FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED VERTICAL SIGHTING FEATURE FEATURE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS IS NOTED IN FINDING.
L STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT IF METAL METAL RAILING IS PROPOSED, THEY SHOULD BE PROPORTIONED AND PROFILED TO RELATE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE WITH THE STANDARD GAL.
BALLOON FINISH SEEMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP, A RIDGE SLEEVE.
ADDITIONALLY, STUCCO FACADES ARE TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL SMOOTH FINISHES.
FIVE, THAT ALL WINDOWS SHOULD ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SIX, THAT ALL GROUPED WINDOWS SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY A MUL OF SIX INCHES IN WIDTH IS FOUND ON THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO BOTH SIDE FACADES AS BOTH FEATURE EXPANSES OF UNSD WALLS THAT ARE ATYPICAL FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, EXCUSE ME, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UH, SEVEN THAT THE FRONT LOADING GARAGE BE ELIMINATED FROM THE DESIGN THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A PARKING DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, TYPICALLY WITHIN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED THAT THE PROPOSED RELOCATED DRIVEWAY BE ELIMINATED AND THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY LOCATION, UH, NINE, THAT A POURED CONCRETE WALKWAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING T
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THE WALKWAY SHOULD BE CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR 10 THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET.AND THAT A DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AND 11, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT REGARDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION.
UH, THE APPLICANT, DANIEL CRUZ IS HERE, UM, AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THERE IS AN UPDATED DESIGN FROM THE LAST DESIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED.
AND DANIEL HAS A PRESENTATION WITH COMMENTS OR PRESENTATION TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS THAT HE CAN PRESENT AT THIS TIME.
UH, WHICH PAGE DO YOU WANT ME TO START? UH, LEMME START ON THE DRAWINGS.
HI, MY NAME'S UH, DANIEL CRUZ AND I'M, UH, WITH DESIGN COOP AND I'M REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT FOR ONE 20 CALLAHAN.
UM, I DO WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU GUYS FOR, UH, MEETING ME WITH, UH, FROM THE LAST HEARING IN A DRC MEETING.
I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL.
UM, SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE DRC THAT THAT KIND OF EDWARD MENTIONED, UM, MASSING SCALE, UM, SETBACKS.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIG ELEMENTS THAT WE TRY TO TACKLE ON THIS NEXT ITERATION HERE.
UH, WE HAD A LARGE STUCCO FACADE IN THE BEGINNING.
UH, WE HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH BY GIVING A MORE TRADITIONAL PORCH.
UM, HOWEVER, WE ARE TAKING A MORE CONTEMPORARY APPROACH TOWARDS THIS STRUCTURE IN GENERAL, UM, AS IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, SO WHAT WE DID DO IS I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD GO THROUGH LINE ITEM THROUGH LINE WITH YOU GUYS OR IF I SHOULD JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE CASE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PREFERENCE? UM, IT'S UP TO YOU, SIR.
I MEAN, UM, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS EACH OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS LISTED THERE, YOU CAN, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU.
UM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE OTHER PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, COMMENTS AND HOW WE, UH, ADDRESSED THEM.
I DON'T MIND DOING THAT AGAIN.
UM, SOME OF THE, I KNOW THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST FOUR LINE ITEMS KIND OF HAD TO DO WITH SETBACK, UM, DISTANCE FROM STREET.
WE DID PUSH OUR STRUCTURE BACK, UH, FURTHER, WE DID SACRIFICE SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM OUR, FOR OUR CLIENT, UM, BY MAKING, UM, THAT FRONT FACADE THAT, THAT SECONDARY FACADE YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, FURTHER BACK, GIVE US MORE OF A PRO, UH, PORCH OFF THE FRONT.
UM, WE DID KEEP THE FRONT SETBACK BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, OF THE LOT, UM, CONSISTENT THAT WHAT IT WA WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, BUT WE DID, UH, MOVE THAT SECONDARY FACADE EVEN FURTHER BACK REDUCING THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS, SORRY, I'M GONNA PULL 'EM UP HERE TOO.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER LINE ITEMS HERE, UH, WAS FOUNDATION HEIGHT.
WE ALSO ADDRESSED THE, UH, PORCH, THE SECOND, THE SECOND LEVEL PORCH BY ADDING THAT, UM, BY SWITCHING THE MATERIALS FROM STUCCO AND GOING TOWARDS A MORE WOOD, A WOOD IN A KIND OF TRADITIONAL PORCH PORCHE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND ALSO PUSHING THAT PORCH BACK BOTH FROM THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE SIDE.
UM, REALLY PLAYING OFF SOME OF THOSE KEY THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE DRC, WHICH WERE, UM, LIKE I SAID, SCALE PROPORTION.
AND WE DID WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HIERARCHY TO THAT ON THE FRONT FACADE, THAT MAIN PRIMARY SUITE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UH, WE DID SEPARATE THESE AND GIVE, UH, HAD THIS VERTICAL SIDING RUN FULL, FULL, UM, FULL LENGTH, IF YOU WILL, FROM, FROM FLOOR TO CEILING.
UH, WE ALSO ADDRESSED ALL THE WINDOWS.
UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT CAME UP IN DRC, BUT ALSO FROM OHP, UM, SOME OF OUR SCALE.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
WE DID CONSI, WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MORE TRADITIONAL SIZE AND APPROACH.
SO WE DID REDUCE SOME OF THESE SIZES TO KIND OF MIMIC AND, AND, AND ABIDE BY THE GUIDELINES.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE, UM, STANDING SEEING METAL ROOF GAL LOOM.
WE ARE GONNA STICK WITH TRADITIONAL, UM, GLUM METAL ROOF WITH, UM, THE REQUIRED SPACINGS THAT HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UH, REQUIRE.
UM, I THINK THE LAST BIG LINE ITEM THAT I'M GONNA ADDRESS IS THE GARAGE.
UM, SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO INTRODUCE INTO THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT A FEW OTHER CASE STUDIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE COME UP WITH.
THERE IS ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS KIND OF THE SAME, UH, APPROACH.
THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF NEW BUILDS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DO HAVE GARAGES.
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HOWEVER, WE WANTED A MORE HIDDEN, KIND OF DISCREET, UH, FACADE, UM, THAT WOULD KIND OF BLEND, BLEND IN WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE AND, AND NOT DISTRACT AND HAVE THAT TRADITIONAL GARAGE AESTHETIC THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN, YOU KNOW, MOST NEW BUILDS.UM, OVERALL I THINK OUR DESIGN, UH, HAS MET A LOT OF THE, THE GUIDELINES, UM, REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AGAIN, WE ARE TAKING A MORE CONTEMPORARY APPROACH, UH, TO, TO THIS, UH, KIND OF TRADITIONAL, UH, ARCHITECTURE.
UM, AND HAVE FELT LIKE WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD, UH, COMPROMISES FROM OUR LAST MEETING IN TERMS OF SCALE, UM, TEXTURES AND, UH, SETBACKS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED THAT.
DID YOU ADDRESS THE STIPULATION NINE EIGHT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY? WE HAVE REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY FROM OUR SITE PLAN SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WE REMOVED ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS FROM THIS AT THE MOMENT.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DRIVEWAY PROPOSED IN OUR SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE PROPOSED IN OUR, SO THE, THE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS THAT YOU DON'T RELOCATE THE DRIVEWAY.
DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THAT IN THIS CURRENT, IN THIS CURRENT APPLICATION.
WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY OF THAT.
BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND ASK LATER FOR A RELOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW? UH, IF WE GO TO OUR SITE PLAN, YOU COULD STILL MAKE IT WORK WITH WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
IT'S NOT THE MOST ACCOMMODATING TO IT FOR OUR CLIENT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE WORK.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO NO MATTER WHAT, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY AWKWARD APPROACH FOR ANY DESIGN IN GENERAL.
BUT, UM, NO, AT THE MOMENT WE'RE NOT REQUESTING TO RELOCATE THAT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE REQUESTING ANY KIND OF DRIVEWAY APPROACH.
UM, AND NO FENCING AT THE MOMENT AS WELL.
UM, STAFF, JUST A QUESTION IS, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE, CAN WE HAVE THAT AS PENDING? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE A STIPULATION THAT WE WOULD ADD, LIKE LANDSCAPING FENCE AND DRIVEWAY? YOU COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME THE APPLICANT'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO YOU COULD ISSUE AN APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT'S ISSUED FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH A COMPLETED SITE PLAN WITH LANDSCAPING INFORMATION AS WELL AS WALKWAY AND DRIVEWAY.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING UNTIL WE APPROVED THOSE ITEMS, IF, IF THAT WAS A STIPULATION.
AND, AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, BEST THAT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY NOTED INTO THE MOTION, UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT, UM, LEFT TO STAFF'S INTERPRETATION BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT WOULD OR WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO ISSUE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND THEN CAN YOU JUST AGAIN, CONFIRM THE HEIGHTS OF THE FLOORS AND THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE NEW REVISED? I THINK, UH, WE ARE AT NINE FOOT, UH, FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR IS BOTH ARE NINE FOOT, UM, CEILING HEIGHTS.
AND YOUR TOTAL HEIGHT, I THINK WE'RE AT 27 9.
SO YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING THE CHIMNEY.
SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN TERMS WITH UC RELATIONS IN TERMS OF HEIGHT? UH, WE HAVE, JUST TO CHANGE THE ADORAL AESTHETIC OF THE, OF THE, UM, THE LARGE FACADE, THE SEPARATION OF THE TWO FLOORS WAS, WAS PRETTY, PRETTY PROMINENT BEFORE, UM, THEIR HOR OUR HORIZONTAL RAIL WAS ACTUALLY, UM, BUT NOTHING AT THE HEIGHTS IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, NO.
INSIDE FLOOR CEILING HEIGHTS HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED? NO, MA'AM.
OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, AND MAYBE I, MAYBE I JUST MISSED WHAT, WHAT WAS SAID HERE, BUT SO YOU DON'T PLAN ON BUILDING ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY ENDS.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT DRIVEWAY HAVING, I THINK WE WENT THERE BEFORE THE OVERHANG FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S ROOF COMES PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IF NOT IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THERE'S REASON WHY WE'RE ABIDING BY THE FIVE FOOT SET BACK FOR BUILDING ON OUR, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE DID HAVE A, OUR FIRST GENERATION DID HAVE A DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT WE ASKED TO RELOCATE, UM, THE CURB, UH, CURB APPROACH, UM, DUE TO THIS FACTOR, THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS KIND OF ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UM, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR OUR CLIENT IS GET INTO THE PRICING STAGE, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING AND, AND, AND REALLY START TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A SET, WE WERE TRYING TO, WE WERE TRYING TO MEET A CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION DEADLINE AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT ELEMENT, BUT WE FIGURED WE WOULD SUBMIT A SUPPLEMENTARY LANDSCAPE, UH, DESIGN WITH DRIVEWAY APPROACH.
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JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE HERE, HOW FAR APART IS THAT BUILDING LINE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? THE NEIGHBORING ON WHICH YEAH, NO, FROM YOURS ON YOUR PROPOSAL RIGHT THERE WE ARE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.UM, THE QUESTIONS I IS THE, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IS THE WALKWAY, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, WALKWAY, UH, CONCRETE PATHWAY? I DON'T THINK SO.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO WALKWAY YET.
A QUESTION FOR STAFF THEN, IF, IF, IF FOR A MOTION THAT WOULD APPROVE AS SUBMITTED LESS 8, 9, 10, AND 11 THAT THEY WOULD RETURN, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION THAT LEAVES OUT THOSE FOUR AND SAYS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO MAKING THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNING DATE OF CONSTRUCTION A CONTINGENT ON THEM HAVING A SOLUTION FOR EIGHT, NINE? CERTAINLY.
UM, I THINK IT EITHER WAY IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T HAVE APPROVAL FOR THE WALKWAY LANDSCAPING FENCING OR THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, JUST SO SIMPLY WHEN, UH, IF WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF REVIEWING A PERMIT WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, WE CAN NOTE AND COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE APPROVAL FOR THESE FIVE THINGS, BUT NOT FOR FLAT WORK OR AN APRON OR DRIVEWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU, YOU COULD CRAFT THAT INTO A MOTION.
WELL THEN, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED LESS ITEM EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 AND 11.
AND THAT THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO RETURN TO THE HDRC FOR APPROVAL AND A MOTION.
THAT'S MORE THAN PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION.
UM, I THINK THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE MADE THEIR CASE AND, AND THE OTHER FOUR THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK AND THAT WE'D GO THROUGH A PROCESS JUST LIKE THIS FOR THOSE FOUR ITEMS. THOSE ARE MY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, UM, I WISH THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THE HEIGHT AND THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK I READ SOME OTHER, THE COMMENTS FROM THE DRC IS ANYBODY, UM, YOU WANNA SHARE ANYTHING ON THE DRC? I FEEL LIKE IT, IT'S BEEN, UH, AS A STIPULATION AND IT STILL HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER GROUP'S COMMENT.
UM, I'M ONE WHO, WHO FEELS THAT THE, THE SCALE, WHICH IS THE HEIGHT IS PART OF THAT, UM, IS EXCESSIVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND I WAS HOPING TO SEE, UM, SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE OVERALL HEIGHT.
UM, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE ENTRYWAY, REMOVING THE STUCCO WALL, UH, IS, IS ACTUALLY QUITE NICE AND QUITE GOOD.
UM, TO THE GARAGE DOOR IS GOOD.
HOWEVER, THE WINDOW, THE FENESTRATION ISSUE THAT STAFF HAS, I WILL AGREE WITH THAT.
TAKE THAT WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGE AND THE HEIGHT, THE FULL NINE FOOT PLATE, NINE FOOT PLATE, UM, CREATES A BUNDLE OF CONTEMPORARY THINGS THAT AT THIS SETBACK, SO CLOSE TO THE STREET, REALLY TO ME, NO LONGER CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES.
THERE'S SO MANY OUTLYING FEATURES OR OUTLIER FEATURES THAT WHEN THIS IS BUILT, IT WILL BE DISTRACTING ON THAT BLOCK PHASE.
SO, AND I THINK THE HEIGHT IS PART OF IT, IS ONE PART OF IT.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.
UM, IT'S THE ACCUMULATION OF OUTLIER, UM, CREATIVE FREEDOM THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THAT WORKS IN MANY OTHER SITUATIONS, BUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR SETTING MAY NOT BE AS SUCCESSFUL.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
CAN I, UH, MAKE A COMMENT IN REGARD TO THAT? SURE.
SO, UH, ON THIS, ON THIS EXACT STREET, THERE ARE, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY AREN'T SHOWN IN OUR, IN, IN THIS ELEVATION, BUT JUST OUTSIDE THESE TWO STRUCTURES, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STR TWO STORY BUILDINGS THAT SETBACK IS EVEN CLOSER TO THE STREET.
SO THEY WILL BE MORE PROMINENT, UM, IN MY, IN MY OPINION.
UM, I, I DO HEAR YOU GUYS, WE ARE ALSO DEALING WITH A TWO, SOME, TWO STORY STRUCTURES BEYOND BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO I'M NOT JUST TAKING ACCOUNT TO WHAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF US, BUT KIND OF, AND, AND ON THREE SIDES IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT, BUT O OVERALL, UM, I DO THINK THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ABIDING BY OUR SETBACKS DICTATED BY THIS GENERAL SITE AND ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE NEIGHBORING, UH, HOUSES ON THE SAME STREET.
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WELL, JUST TO CONTINUE ON THAT COMMENT ON THE, PROBABLY THE REASON WHY I WON'T SUPPORT IT, IT'S, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFYING AND DESIGN AND JUSTIFYING WITH WHAT'S ON THE STREET.IF WE SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THAT TWO STORY, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER, THREE STORY THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S COMMON IS IT'S BECAUSE OF WHERE YOU'RE PLACED ON THE STREET.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT AGAIN TO THAT FIVE STREET, FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE OF A ONE STORY VERY, VERY CLOSE.
RIGHT? SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I COULDN'T, I MEAN, THERE IS SOME EXAMPLES IN LA VACA WITH FRONT FACING, THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF TWO STORIES.
YES, THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF ALL THE ELEMENTS AND THE STIPULATIONS.
I JUST THINK THE LOCATION OF THIS LOT IS WHAT'S KIND OF IMPEDING THIS DESIGN TO BE APPROVED RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, THE FRONT LOAD GARAGE IS SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED YET.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD.
LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD IS KIND OF A, IS A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS STREET SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO THE OTHER TWO LOTS, RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSES, RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHEREAS SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES, THEY'RE FURTHER SETBACK AND MORE HIDDEN OR MORE SEPARATED FROM OTHERS.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A BIG HOUSE ON A VERY SMALL LOT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S RESTRICTING YOU AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH EVERYTHING.
CAN I JUST ASK TO THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT, WHERE DO THEY PARK? THEY PARK, HOW DO THEY ENTER ON THE STREET? THEY HAVE NO DRIVEWAY, I BELIEVE NOT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAXED OUTS ON THEIR SITE.
UM, THEY, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR, OF OUR SITE PLAN, THEY'RE PRACTICALLY A FOOT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN IN THE REAR, I THINK THEY'RE FULLY, UH, ALMOST TO THE, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE ON OUR SIDE PLAN THERE.
MR. VELASQUEZ, MR. CHAIR JUST WA WANT TO, UM, MAKE CLEAR LOOKING AT THE DRAWING.
AND SO REALLY THE FIRST DRAWING YOU LOOKED AT WAS THE ELEVATION DRAWING.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR AND BASE A TWO STORY HOUSE, THAT WOULD BE, OR TWO, TWO STORY HOUSE BUILT IN THE WAY THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ARCHITECTURE IS BUILT, THOSE PLATES WOULD BE AT 10 FEET.
THEY WOULDN'T BE AT NINE FEET.
AND, AND ASSUMING THAT THE PLATES WOULD GO TO EIGHT FEET WOULD CREATE A HOUSE THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A TWO STORY HOUSE AND IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE SEE THERE IS FOUR HOUSES, WELL, IT'S THE TWO STORY HOUSE, AND IT BY DEFAULT IT'S GONNA BE TALLER.
SO THERE'S THERE, THERE'S A LEVEL OF REASONA REASONABLENESS AND A LEVEL OF, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING REASONABLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S EVEN WITH RESPECT TO, UH, FINDING A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
LIKE, I, I WISH THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE CARE OF.
THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT LATER.
BUT EVEN THAT IS, UM, KIND OF UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT SOMEBODY TO HAVE A, A DRIVEWAY ON A PROPERTY LINE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT HAS THE PROXIMITY TO A HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY OVERSTEPPED ITS BOUNDARIES.
WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO BE REMINDED THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN GENTRIFIED.
SO IT'S COMING FROM A SUBSTANDARD, UH, PERIOD AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUBSTANDARD NESS IN THE AREA THAT IS BEING CORRECTED THROUGH THIS CREATIVE PROCESS.
SO HE'S MET PRETTY MUCH THE, A LARGE BURDEN OF WHAT WAS PLACED ON, ON THEIR PLATE.
THE DESIGN IS, UH, THEIR DESIGN.
AND EVEN IN THE LAST, UH, COMMISSIONER PRESENTATION, NOTING ALL OF THE INCONSISTENCIES, ALL THAT DOES IS JUST, UH, UH, REALLY, UH, DEMONSTRATE BEYOND ANY, ANY DOUBT THAT, UH, THERE, THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS THAT REALLY SERVE MORE TO EMPOWER THE DESIGNER THAN TO, UH, LIMIT THE DESIGNER.
THEY'VE WORKED WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.
THEY'VE MET THE, THEY'VE MET THE MAJORITY OF, OF, UH, UH, THE CRITERIA.
AND I SEE NO REASON WHY, WHY THIS, UH, APPLICATION SHOULD COME BACK.
UH, THIS SHOULD BE ENABLED TO GO ON AND MOVE.
ANY OTHER, UM, DISCUSSION? SO SIR, I, BEFORE WE, UM, CALL FOR A VOTE, I, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GROUP COMMISSIONER SABINO, I THINK THAT IT IS, IT IS JUST, IT'S LITTLE.
IT DOESN'T FIT, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, THE DESIGN, I, I SEE THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND THINGS OF NATURE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE, WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND WHAT THEY SAID.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT ON THE NEXT TIME ROUND.
BUT JUST WANT YOU TO CON CONSIDER THAT IT'S, IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH ONE, BUT, UM, WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE NOW.
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MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? NAY.POLL NAY, FETZER NAY AND GIBBS NAY.
MAY I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION PLEASE? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY FOR MO.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE GUIDANCE, UM, YOU HAVE A DRESS UP STIPULATIONS, BUT NOT REALLY.
'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU DO YOU BUT SETBACK EXACTLY AS THE JASON HOUSE.
AND I THINK WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE, YOU KNOW, THIS AGAIN, TO THE SKILL AND MASSES, MORE SETBACK GREATER THAN NOT EXACTLY THE SAME OR, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY MOVED IT DOWN.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A BIG HOUSE FOR A SMALL LOT AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T GET HOW THE, THE, THE TWO END PROPERTIES COULD BE 10 FEET FROM THE STREET AND BE TWO STORY HOUSES.
AND WE CAN'T BUILD A A TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT'S
AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE SCALE AND THE MASS, IT'S WHERE'S LOCATE? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO A MOTION, I WOULD HATE TO SEND IT BACK TO A DRC.
I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD WORK, OR IF YOU, IF IF, IF, IF, IF THE HEIGHT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING US BACK, COULD WE HAVE A STIPULATION JUST TO REDUCE THE OVERALL, THE HEIGHT? I MEAN, IS THERE A, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT'S GONNA MAKE WELL, THAT'S THE THING IS LIKE, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A FINAL APPROVAL AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT TO STAFF.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH STAFF.
WELL, I, I, I DO THINK THAT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE HEIGHT, SO THE GUIDELINES, UH, SORRY, I HAD THIS PULLED UP AND ENCLOSED IT.
UH, SO THE GUIDELINES, UH, NOTE THAT FOR A TWO, A TWO STORY STRUCTURE MAY BE APPROPRIATE, PROVIDED THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF ADJACENT STRUCTURES BY 50%.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT, UM, THIS CAN MAYBE BE APPROACHED, UM, I KNOW THAT FINDING THE EXACT MEASUREMENT OF AN ADJACENT STRUCTURE IS DIFFICULT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE WITHIN A FOOT OR HALF A FOOT OR SO THAT COULD BE DETERMINED JUST BASED ON FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UH, PLATE HEIGHT, UH, AND THEN A RIDGE HEIGHT.
AND SO, UM, IF THE APPLICANT'S OVERALL HEIGHT IS, UH, DANIEL 29 FEET, 27, 27 FEET, UM, THERE ARE FULL VICTORIAN STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK THAT ARE RELATIVELY TALL THAT FEATURES STEEP RIDGE HEIGHTS.
UH, SO THIS STRUCTURE MAY BE APPROPRIATE COMPARED TO THOSE, UM, I THINK THAT IF, IF THAT, IF THOSE HEIGHTS COULD BE PROVIDED, UM, THEN THAT MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE OR CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, REGARDING THE SETBACK, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY IF THIS LOT WERE DEEPER AND THE APPLICANT HAD THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THE SETBACK, THE PERCEIVED MASSING FROM THE STREET MAY NOT BE AS IMPACTFUL AND THE HEIGHT AS PROPOSED MAY BE APPROPRIATE WITH AN INCREASED SETBACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL SEE THE SITE PLAN AND UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, AS THE FOOTPRINT IS DESIGNED, THERE'S NOT SPACE TO EITHER THE HOUSE HAS TO SHRINK, UM, OR THE LOT HAS TO GET BIGGER.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE AS STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANTS PROPOSE A DESIGN.
UH, AND AS THAT DESIGN'S BEEN LAID OUT, THERE'S NOT SPACE THAT CAN BE SHIFTED.
SO, UM, I GENERALLY THINK, UM, THAT THE PRIMARY ISSUES ARE THE SETBACK, UH, THE PRI AND, AND THE SECOND ISSUE COULD BE THE MASS OR THE MASSING.
UH, THE HEIGHT MAY BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S AS SIMPLE AS A NUMBER, BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, A NUMBER WOULD AT LEAST SAY, YES, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAYS, OR NO, OUTSIDE OF IT BEING APPROPRIATE MASSING OR WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE MASSING.
UH, SO THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER SABINO? UH, YES TO STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, UM, AND THEN TO THE CLIENT, TO THE APPLICANT, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THE SETBACK IN A SIGNIFICANT OR NOTABLE WAY? AND THE REASON WHY I ASK IS WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS CORRECT HEIGHT CAN BE LESS INVASIVE IN THIS CASE.
I THINK THE WAY IT'S DEPICTED, IT'S VERY INVASIVE.
IT'S FRONT CENTER RIGHT THERE.
UM, SETTING BACK, UH, A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, FIVE, 10 FEET CAN AMELIORATE THAT PERSPECTIVE ON PAPER IN A 2D DRAWING IN TEXT.
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IT MAY MEET THE, THE GUIDELINES OR AT LEAST THE WORD OF THE GUIDELINES.BUT WHEN THIS IS BUILT LIKE THIS AND YOU'RE ON THE STREET, FEW HOUSES AWAY, THE PROW OF THIS HOUSE WILL SIT FORWARD AND IT'LL BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, HEIGHT CAN BE AMELIORATED WITH SETBACK.
SETBACK CAN BE AMELIORATED WITH HEIGHT.
IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS ON, ON THE SETBACK, ADJUSTING THE SETBACK.
I, I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TAKEN A, A GOOD APPROACH, UH, ONE TO MEET OUR CLIENTS' REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR, FOR PROGRAM MM-HMM
BUT ALSO SET, I MEAN THE MAIN FACADE.
YES, THERE'S A PROMINENT FACADE OF THIS GABLE, UH, IN THE PRIMARY SUITE THAT IS PROTRUDE ALL THE WAY TO THE SETBACK, BUT IN REALITY, THE MAIN STRUCTURE SITS BACK FIVE FEET FROM THAT SETBACK.
IT'S AN AWFULLY LARGE HOUSE, ISN'T IT? IT IT IS, IT IS A GOOD SIZE HOUSE.
IT'S, I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATELY SIZED FOR THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, I DO THINK THAT WE MAY BE FOCUSED A LITTLE TOO MUCH ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND IT DOESN'T HELP THAT OUR ELEVATIONS ONLY SHOW THE FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT.
BUT YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THE TWO CORNER LOTS AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ARE TWO STORY HOUSES THAT HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS, HAVE THE SAME HEIGHTS.
UH, OUR TEAM SPENT HOURS, YOU KNOW, DRAFTING UP AND MEASURING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THE BEST TO, TO OUR EXTENT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE WITHIN THE GUIDELINE HEIGHTS.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING 10 FOOT CEILINGS FOR A REASON.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GIVE OUR CLIENT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SET ON AS IT IS DEPICTED ON THE PAPER RIGHT NOW? I DO, YES.
AND I DO, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, YOU DRIVE DOWN LITTLE VODKA AND LIKE YOU, LIKE HE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SAID THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GENTRIFICATION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF A MIXED BAG OF WHAT'S THERE AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY OUT OF THE ORDINARY IN MY OPINION.
UM, THE PREVIOUS MOTION OF COURSE FAILED AND SO WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SET ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
AS FAR AS MR. CHAIR, THIS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND HE, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SPOKE? SURE.
HI, THIS IS, IT'S ON, UM, MY NAME IS COREY NEAL AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE.
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THIS COMMISSIONER'S, UM, HOPEFULLY PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT.
UM, LEMME GIVE YOU KIND OF ADDRESS MAYBE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, AND FIRST LEMME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND.
UM, BORN AND RAISED SAN ANTONIO.
YOU DON'T FIND MANY OF US ANYMORE HERE.
UM, PROUD GRADUATE OF NORTHSIDE, UM, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
MY, I HAVE TWO OLDER CHILDREN THAT, UH, ONE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA AND ONE NOW, UH, GRADUATING FROM REAGAN AND GOING ON TO UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
SO THEY'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT US MOVING, UH, FROM THE STONE OAK AREA, UM, DOWN, I OWN, UM, RESTAURANT BAR IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO ME.
UM, PAT O'BRIEN'S, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS PAT O'BRIEN'S.
UM, BUT I'VE OWNED THAT NOW FOR 23 YEARS.
SO I AM ALSO A FORMER RESIDENT OF RIVER ROAD, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HISTORIC AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT HOW I CAME ACROSS THIS LOT WAS WE LOOKED AT A HOUSE, WE KNEW WE WANTED TO GET BACK DOWNTOWN, UM, AND, AND ENJOYED LA VACA OR SOMEWHERE, SOME AREA IN, IN THERE.
AND IF ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, UH, LOT, WE ACTUALLY VIEWED A HOME THAT IS MASSIVE.
I MEAN, AND ON A SIMILAR, IT'S SIMILAR LOT IN WIDTH, IT'S JUST MUCH LONGER.
UM, SO WE, I FOUND, SAW THIS LOT, IT WAS, THERE WAS, UH, DEBRIS ALL OVER IT.
UM, ASKED MY REALTOR, WHAT'S THE STORY ON THIS LOT? WHAT CAN WE DO, UM, WITH IT? AND OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IT HAD BURNED DOWN IN, UM, 2019, 20, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
AND IT SAT VACANT, UM, FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER IT'S BEEN NOW.
UM, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, UH, TAKEN AWAY ALL THAT, UH, UM, STUFF.
AND WE'VE GOT WITH, UM, THESE GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.
WE HAVE NOW BEEN DOING THIS FOR FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
AND EVERY TIME WE COME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE SETBACK, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE EVEN, AND WE PUSHED BACK, WE ARE EVEN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER HOMES ON THE STREET AS FAR AS THE SETBACK IS CONCERNED.
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I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, A PICTURE THERE AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT GOOD AT, UH, THIS OR A CERTAINLY NOT A BUILDING A HOUSE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE, THE NOMENCLATURE AS THEY SAY.
UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S A HOME, TWO HOUSES DOWN THAT IS MUCH CLOSER THERE, UH, ON BOTH SIDES OF US, UM, TO THE STREET.
AND THEN WHAT? SO WE ARE GONNA BE EVEN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS NOW, AS FAR AS SCALE IS CONCERNED, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
AGAIN, BEING SYMPATHETIC WITH HISTORIC, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AN ALBATROSS, RIGHT? UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHAT IS GOING ON A HALF MILE AWAY FROM THIS HOUSE, WHICH IS PROJECT MARBLE, AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND $5 BILLION ON RE-ENERGIZING THAT AREA AND COMPLETELY COMING UP WITH NEW, UM, STRUCTURES, BUILDINGS, ALL THESE THINGS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, BUT I MEAN, I STILL HAVE A GROWING FAMILY.
I MENTIONED THAT I, I WAS NORTH SIDE, MY KIDS ARE NORTHEAST.
UM, WHO'S GOING TO BE GOING TO THESE SCHOOLS HERE? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WANT TO CREATE A LIFESTYLE THAT WE CAN ENJOY WALK AND, AND, AND DO THAT.
AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING IS BASICALLY US PUTTING A 1500 SQUARE FOOT, 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU, BECAUSE THE LOT IS SO SMALL THAT IF YOU DID A ONE STORY, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE REDUCED TO.
AND AS THIS COMMISSIONER POINTED OUT, IF YOU MAKE US LOWER THOSE CEILINGS TO GET TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD JUST BE UNLIVABLE, UNLIVABLE IN MY OPINION.
ALSO, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE HOUSE BEHIND US IS MASSIVE.
I MEAN, SO IT IS ACTUALLY TALLER THAN WE ARE.
WE WOULD BE, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
UH, I CERTAINLY WANT TO ADHERE TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
I I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS, UM, DO AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE THAT, UH, YOU GUYS, WHY YOU'RE HERE.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH LAVACCA, THERE ARE VERY MODERN HOMES IN THERE AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
I THINK THIS HOME IS A NICE BLEND OF BOTH SOME HISTORIC ELEMENTS AS WELL AS SOME MODERN, UM, AND I THINK IT WILL LOOK VERY, VERY NICE.
AND SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
UH, I WANTED TO ASK IF WE MIGHT LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN BECAUSE THE FLOOR PLAN TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRUE SCALE OF THIS HOUSE.
NOW I APOLOGIZE IF YOU, YOU DIMENSION DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO EVERYBODY'S COMMON VOCABULARY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITTING ROOM IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS THE PROTRUDING NICHE, IT'S 14 BY 10 FEET.
SO JUST IN THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GIGANTIC HOUSE THAT'S NOT A GIGANTIC HOUSE AND THE GARAGE, IT'S A 20 BY 20 GARAGE, WHICH IS SMALLER THAN YOU WOULD FIND ON A, ON A TRACT HOUSE THAT HAD A CONNECTED GARAGE.
SO THIS IS NOT A, A FAT HOUSE, IT'S A REALLY THIN HOUSE.
THE FACT THAT, THAT THE FRONT PROTRUDES A FOOT FURTHER, BUT THEN THE PORCH STEPS BACK THE MAIN WALL.
IT, IT'S, IT'S HUMBLE AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND AND THE FACT OF WHERE IT IS IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IS OUT THERE, THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA HIT, AND THIS IS WHY I AM SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING HERE, IS BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY VERY DIRECTLY BRING THE HOUSE DOWN BY A PERCENTAGE, SKINNY THE HOUSE DOWN BY A PERCENTAGE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A A, A FRONT UH, GARAGE.
UH, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE DRIVEWAY AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
WE'D HAVE TO SAY ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY JUST IN SAYING, WELL, I KNOW THERE'S A BUILDING DOWN THE THING OVER THERE, BUT THAT'S OVER THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE TALLER OVER HERE, BUT THAT ONE'S OVER THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY CONTRADICTED ALL OF THE EXCUSES THAT WE'VE GIVEN THIS APPLICANT.
NOW I KNOW ON A CASE TO CASE BASIS, WE'RE EMPOWERED TO DO THAT, I GUESS, BUT I MEAN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN MY OPINION, IT'S UH, ALMOST AT THE LEVEL OF RIDICULOUS.
SO IT'S EITHER THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPROVABLE BY 1%, 2%, 3%, OR WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING THIS IS NOT A PASSABLE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRYING TABLE AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE ALL SPOKE AT PIECE.
UM, WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS CASE.
SO, UH, WE NEED THE DISPOSITION ON THIS CASE.
SO SAME MIGHT HAVE A MOTION I YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE FOR THIS CASE.
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MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO INCLUDE THE MOVING OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, TO A PLACE THAT IS APPROPRIATE WORKING WITH STAFF END OF MOTION.HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION WHERE YOU I I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, IN ESSENCE IT'S THE SAME WITH YOUR DISTRICT.
NO, THE DRIVEWAY'S A MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEM THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, ADDRESSED THROUGH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SESSION.
I THINK THAT CHANGES THE MOTION QUITE, QUITE A BIT.
WELL JUST, MR. CHAIR, MY STANDING STANDS THE SAME NOT BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD COMMENTS ON, UH, THE SETBACK AND THE MASSING AND NOT THE DRIVEWAY.
SO JUST IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN YOUR RIGHTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION, BUT IN ORDER FOR IT TO MOVE ON, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND AND GENERAL VOTE.
SO I DON'T SEE THE MUCH DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU DID MENTION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
CAN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? I'LL DO A MOTION.
PLEASE MOVE AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, A COMMENT MR. CHAIR.
I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT, UM, I, I, I, I I FIND THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WHAT THE APPLICANT'S, UM, TAKEAWAY IS WITH IT BEING LEFT AS AMBIGUOUS AS IT IS.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNFAIR AND, AND IT, AND IT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF UNJUST IN, IN MY OPINION.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WHAT DOES A CONTINUOUS DO STAFF IN THE SITUATION? UH, SO, UH, GOOD QUESTION.
I WILL GO UP AND LOOK AT THE DATE.
UM, SO THE 60 DAY REVIEW FOR THIS WAS MONDAY, HOWEVER, UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO POSTPONE, UH, FOR 30 DAYS AT A TIME UP TO THREE TIMES.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT SPECIFIED TODAY'S DATE, APRIL THE 16TH, UH, FOR HDRC REVIEW.
UH, SO, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT COULD POSTPONE AGAIN IF HE WANTED TO.
UM, BUT UM, THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE OR DECISION.
UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, THE COMMISSION, UH, NEEDS TO, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION OR TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM UNLESS THE APPLICANT, UH, THEN SAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE TO PREVENT.
SO MR. CHAIR, UM, TO THAT POINT, IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, I CHANGE MOTION TO MOVE TO A DRC, UM, THAT WOULD, I MEAN I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT THAT I WANT ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS STATED TODAY THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS MOTION AND MAYBE THIS MOTION HELPS THEM TO GO BACK AND, UH, OPTION OR SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT OR SOME OF THE PERSONAL COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE OWNER THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BESIDES OUR PUR.
SO I'VE, THAT'S WHY I DID THIS MOTION AND NOT A DRC OR CONTINUES UNLESS THE APPLICANT FEELS LIKE THEY WANT TO KEEP WORKING ON IT AND WANNA COME BACK AND WANT A-D-R-C-I.
AND JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO A CONTINUANCE OR REFERRAL TO DRC IS NOT AN OPTION UNLESS THE APPLICANT AGREES TO THE 30 DAY CONTINUANCE? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LIKE, SO I WOULD THEN SUSTAIN MY MOTION, BUT I, I'M, I DID THE INITIAL MOTION BECAUSE I FELT THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GIVING US THE MESSAGE THAT THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THAT.
I, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.
UH, SO IN OUR MOTION WHERE WE RECOMMEND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INCREASED SETBACK AND WE RECOMMEND, UM, SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE APP, LIKE FOR THE HEIGHT STAFF'S STIPULATION IS THE APPLICANT PROVIDE THE HEIGHTS OF ADJACENT STRUCTURES TO DETERMINE IF THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, IS THAT MOTION, ASSUMING THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF AND STAFF DETERMINE UH, WHAT SETBACK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, WHETHER THAT'S SIX INCHES FROM THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, FRONT FACADE OR A FOOT? UM, THE MOTION AS IT STANDS IS, UH, RECOMMENDING NOT APPROVAL.
IT IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATION, IT WAS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, WHICH WOULD BE NOT APPROVAL, RIGHT.
THE, THE RECORD WOULD BE A DENIAL, BUT THERE'S A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED
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IN A FUTURE APPLICATION AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC.UM, SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO RETURN WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME AS LONG AS THE NEW APPLICATION RESPONDED TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UM, AND THAT BEING SAID, COREY, SO SHOULD THE MOTION BE AMENDED TO, TO A DENIAL, UM, THAT'S WHEN THE MOTION IS WRITTEN OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT CLEAR FOR THE WAY THIS I THINK IT WAS JUST CLARIFIED.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 4 0 7 4 18 EAST LOCUST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST LOCATED WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL DISTRICT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN BOTH ADJACENT STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDING DA FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF, UH, TO ENSURE FOUNDATION SETBACKS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN AND THAT ALL APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOA IF APPLICABLE.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE BUILDING TO LOT RATIO BELOW 50% LOT COVERAGE RESULTING IN A DECREASED MASSING BASED ON FINDING F AND H.
UM, AND PLEASE NOTE THAT AFTER RE REVIEW, UM, AND RECALCULATING SQUARE FOOTAGES, THIS HAS BEEN MET.
UH, NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WOOD OR FIBER CEMENT VERTICAL SIDING DETAIL THAT IS MENTIONED IN PROFILE TO REPRESENT HISTORIC SIDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT WINDOW AND ALL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDINGS A AND J.
AND TODAY WE HAVE, UH, ARCHITECT JOSEPH HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS JOSEPH SMITH, JMS ARCHITECTS APPRECIATE AGAIN THE TIME TO REVIEW THIS CASE.
UH, WE'VE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES TO THE DESIGN SINCE THE LAST, UH, SINCE THE MONTH WE MET YOU LAST HERE.
UH, WE HAVE REDUCED THE, UH, KIND OF THE MOST SIGN SIGNIFICANT ITEMS, I THINK WERE THE, UH, GARAGE.
WE REDUCED THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE.
UH, AND IT IS STILL CONNECTED TO THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT APPEARS TO BE A SECONDARY STRUCTURE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
UH, THE OVERALL, I THINK THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH, A FRONT PORCH THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE, UH, CHANGED THE MATERIAL FROM A STONE TO A BRICK VENEER AND WITH A SHED PORCH DESIGN AGAIN, I THINK, WHICH IS MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE WINDOW FENESTRATION, UH, WE PUT SPACE BETWEEN SOME OF THE WINDOWS, UH, THE TALLEST PART OF THE HOUSE.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST A REMINDER WE'RE A MF 33 PROPERTY, WHICH ALLOWS 45 FEET.
WE DID TAKE SOME, UH, DRONE MEASUREMENTS OF THE ADJACENT HOUSES.
THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IMMEDIATELY IS, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY AT 30 FEET.
THE HOUSE IS TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE WEST, UM, ARE MORE LIKE 40 FEET.
SO WE ARE LOWER THAN THOSE HOUSES, UH, TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE WEST.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER ISSUES WERE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, WHICH WE HAVE CHANGED FROM, AGAIN, THE STONE TO BRICK AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A MODEL.
UH, OLD TEXAS BRICK, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE FITTING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, ALSO WE ELIMINATED THE STUCCO FACADE AND WE DO HAVE A BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, I'M TRYING TO RECALL THE REST OF THE REVISIONS, BUT UM, AND WE ALSO HAD EXPOSED RAPTOR
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TAILS ON ALL THE ALL OF THE EVE CONDITIONS.UM, YOU DO HAVE LETTERS IN YOUR FILES AS WELL AS A FEW VOICEMAILS I CAN PLAY AND, UH, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL PAY VOICE VOICEMAILS PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4 0 2 EAST LOCUST AND I'M CALLING CONCERNING THE PROPERTY AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST WITH A PROPOSAL FOR A TWO STORY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
I'M CALLING IN FAVOR OF IT THAT WE NEED MORE NEIGHBORS AND FEWER EMPTY LOTS AND, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW IT WOULD BE ANYTHING BUT AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO PLEASE LOOK UPON US FAVORABLY AND I THANK YOU.
I AM A RESIDENT AT 3 2 5 EASTERN MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, IN THE TOBIN HILLS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 4 0 7.
THIS IS THE PROPOSAL AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST.
UM, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY UH, PLANS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, HOUSE ON A VACANT LOT, AND, UM, I FULLY SUPPORT THE PLANS AS I HAVE SEEN THE PLANS.
UM, I THINK THIS IS, UM, INCREDIBLY REFRESHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BEING ON A VACANT LOT.
AND, UM, I SUPPORT THE, UH, THE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, MY PHONE NUMBER.
I LIVE IN BIN HILL AT 5 0 3 EAST MYRTLE, AND I WAS TRYING TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
UM, I AM A NEIGHBOR IN TOBIN HILL AND I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT AND, UH, SHOW SUPPORT FOR A CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH 4 0 7, JAYDEN AND RE.
UM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND I LIVE IN TOBIN HILL.
THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS.
UM, ANY COMMERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? I DO.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IN STAFF'S REVIEW? SO I THINK THERE'S, UH, REALLY ONE STIPULATION, MAIN STIPULATION, WHICH I HAVE A DIAGRAM HERE WHICH SHOWS ABOUT THE SETBACKS.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, THE PENS ON THE PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS.
UH, WE DO THOUGH HAVE THIS DIAGRAM, WHICH WE HAVE MEASURED THE HOUSE NEXT TO US, WHICH IS 25 FEET, NINE INCHES FROM THE FENCE, WHICH WE ASSUME IS THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH NEEDS TO BE VERIFIED FOR SURE, COMMISSIONERS.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM THAT WE'RE PASSING AROUND THE TOTAL DEPTH OF THE HOUSE, JOSEPH, SORRY, ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
WE DO HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER AS WELL THAT WE DIDN'T CALL UP.
SO FOR THAT THOUGHT, SIR, WE'LL BRING YOU RIGHT BACK UP, SIR.
WE'RE SO USED TO VIRTUAL THESE DAYS.
UM, IN RELATION TO THIS PROPERTY, I AM ACROSS THE STREET, TWO DOORS DOWN.
UM, I'VE MET WITH THE PATELS, WE'VE REVIEWED THE ARCHITECTURE, THE PLANS, WE STRONGLY SUPPORT IT WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS AND UH, I WANT TO GIVE 'EM A HIGH THUMBS UP.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE IN THAT DIAGRAM AGAIN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY A 28 FOOT WHEN WE DO THE MATH, THE, THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE, 10 FOOT SETBACK IN THE BACK AND THE DEPTH OF THE LOT, THAT LEADS US 28 FEET AS A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO FROM HERE WE WOULD GET A SURVEY, STAKE THE HOUSE OUT, LOOK AT IT WITH THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS SET BACK A LITTLE FURTHER.
WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN LINE, BUT ACTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS AND YOU PUT A MEASUREMENT, I THINK THE STREET ACTUALLY DOES KIND OF GO OFF A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UH, IN OUR OPINION AND WHAT WE DREW ON THIS IS THAT IT WOULD BE IN LINE THE, BASICALLY IF YOU DREW A LINE FROM THE HOUSE ON THE EAST, THE HOUSE ON THE WEST, WE WOULD BE WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
SO THAT, AGAIN, I THINK STAFF HAS ASKED FOR IT TO BE FURTHER BACK THAN BOTH OF THOSE SETBACKS IN OUR OPINION.
I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE ODD IF IT WAS FURTHER
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BACK, IT SHOULD BE IN LINE OR AT LEAST THE AGGREGATE LINE OF, OF THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER.SO IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK ISSUE, AGAIN, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE STIPULATION OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT WITH FORM WORK AND, AND ACTUAL SURVEYS.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, UH, FOR US.
THE OTHER ITEM IS ON THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS.
SO ON THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, AGAIN, WE HAVE A DIAGRAM, UM, THE BOARD AND BATTEN.
SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF COMPOSITE BOARD AND BATTEN ON A HOUSE THAT'S, UH, IN TOBIN HILL.
AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THAT ONE HAS SANDING SEAM AGAIN, IN OUR OPINION BOARD AND BATTEN WITH THE COMPOSITE MATERIALS IS NOT A VERY GOOD FINISH.
I THINK IF Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR THE KIND OF CARE THAT YOU WOULD GET OUT OF THAT MATERIAL, UM, IS A SUBPAR MATERIAL TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH AND WE CAN GET A, A METAL STANDING SEAM BOARD AND BATTEN PRODUCT, WHICH IS THAT TOP, UH, PHOTO IN THAT PICTURE, WHICH WOULD BE A MUCH CLEANER, MORE SUSTAINABLE, UH, FINISH FOR THE LENGTH OF THE, OF THE HOME AND BE MORE IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GRANDEUR OF THIS HOUSE.
AND SO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO, UM, TO THE STIPULATIONS AS IT REFERS TO THE SIDING, WHICH I'LL SEE IN A MOMENT.
UH, THAT SIDING YOU'RE PROPOSING, THE METAL SIDING IS GOING TO BE ON THAT FRONT VOLUME WHERE THE STAIRCASE IS? YES.
IT, IT HAPPENS ON THE FRONT AND ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE AS WELL.
AND OH, GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, CONCEPTUAL, SO IF WE KEEP THE STIPULATIONS, WE WOULD JUST WORK TOGETHER WITH THE FINAL OF THE MATERIALS.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL COME BACK WITH FINAL MATERIALS.
SO YOU OKAY WITH KEEPING THE STIPULATIONS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK SHE HAS ONE MORE QUE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THE METAL BOARD AND BATTEN OR THE METAL STANDING SEA.
SO WE WOULD PROPOSE THE METAL BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH IS THAT TOP PHOTOGRAPH IN THAT, ON THAT, UH, THAT IS THE TOP ONE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE TOP ONE, AND THEN THERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF IT TO THE HOUSE, TO THE RIGHT OF IT ON THAT DRAWING.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GROUP, MOVE TO APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME, LIKE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FIRST, YOUR LOT PLACEMENT BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
JUST RELATING BACK TO THE CASE THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE YOU.
I THINK YOUR MEASUREMENTS AND THE STIPULATIONS, YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S NEXT TO YOU, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE HUGE TWO STORIES, SO I THINK, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE NEIGHBORS ALSO CALLING IN AND COMING IN TODAY, SO THAT GIVES US ALSO A BETTER
SO, SO FAR I THINK, UH, I THINK THE STIPULATION SHOULD JUST STAY THERE, MAKE SURE THAT EXACTLY, SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR PROJECT AND THEN WE CAN FINALIZE MATERIALS, LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, THANK YOU AND THE, AND THE OWNERS FOR, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE, THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DRCS AND, UH, DISCUSSING OPTIONS AND, AND TRYING TO GET IT, UM, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING WITH US.
AND TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY APPRECIATION ALSO OF YOU RETURNING AND I COMMEND YOU, ESPECIALLY ON GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND INCLUDING THOSE FOLKS AS STAKEHOLDERS IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH STAFF.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL NEIGHBORS AND, YEAH.
IT HAS BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 82 1 24 E ATCH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A SECOND STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL FEATURE, A HEIGHT FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 300 SQUARE FEET TO EXTEND THE EXISTING CHIMNEY AND HEIGHT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AT EAST ATCH.
THREE TO CONSTRUCT AN OPEN AIR DECK AT THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND FOUR, REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT
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SHINGLE ROOF WITH THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.UM, AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.
UH, THERE ARE TWO STIPULATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT ALSO RELATES TO THE REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ESSENTIALLY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF EVERYTHING WITHIN THE APPLICATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT CHANGED THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO A SHINGLE ROOF, UH, TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRAIRIE STYLE.
UH, THE APPLICANT, CHASE KHAN IS HERE, UH, TO PRESENT ON THIS, UH, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE.
UM, MY NAME IS CHASE KAHN AND I'M WITH MOGA ARCHITECTS REPRESENTING OUR CLIENTS, UH, MATTHEW AND EVELYN CLARK, WHO LIVE AT 1 2 4 EAST ATCH.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS HERE WITH EDWARD HALL AND HAVE RECEIVED ALMOST FULL APPROVAL, LIKE HE SAID ON THE DESIGN, ALONG WITH A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OHP.
UM, WHERE WE STAND CURRENTLY WITH THE ITEMS IS THAT WE'VE AGREED TO INCORPORATE THESE SUGGESTIONS, UH, INTO OUR PROPOSAL WITH AN EXCEPTION ON THE ROOF THAT WE'RE WANTING THE COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER FOR APPROVAL.
UH, OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION, WE WERE ASKED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION TO SUBMIT FINAL CUT SHEETS FOR THE NEW WINDOWS.
OUR SECOND ITEM IS THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING BRICK CHIMNEY, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS.
UM, SO WE'VE AGREED TO REUSE ANY SALVAGED BRICK OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN IN THE EVENT THAT ADDITIONAL BRICK IS REQUIRED, UM, WE WILL ENSURE THAT ANY NEW BRICK CLOSELY MATCHES THE EXISTING SIZE AND APPEARANCE OF THE BRICK.
AND THEN FOR THE LAST TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES REPLACING THE EXISTING ROOF AND INSTALLING A NEW ROOF OVER BOTH THE ADDITION AND THE NEW REAR PATIO.
UM, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SHINGLE STYLE ROOF, UM, WE ARE REQUESTING CONSIDERATION FOR THE USE OF THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSTEAD.
UH, OUR REASONS FOR THIS IS BASED ON THE ENHANCED LONGEVITY, UH, THE IMPROVED WEATHER RESISTANCE AND BETTER DURABILITY OF METAL ROOFING, UM, QUALITIES THAT BO THAT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE LONG-TERM BENEFITS FOR OUR CLIENT.
THE CLARK FAMILY, UH, THE CLARKS ARE ALSO PROPOSING A DARK COLORED METAL ROOF THAT ALIGNS WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING IT CONSTRUCTED IN THE SAME PRAIRIE STYLE TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOME.
WE BELIEVE THIS CHOICE WILL PRESERVE AND IMPROVE THE HOME.
IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT SEVERAL NEARBY HOMES WITHIN THE SAME HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY TRANSITIONED INTO METAL ROOFING.
UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, WE'VE INCLUDED SLIDES IN, IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS EXAMPLES, INCLUDING THIS HOUSE HERE AT 1 1 7 EAST SUMMIT, UH, LOCATED JUST THREE BLOCKS NORTH OF THE CLARK RESIDENT.
UM, AND ANOTHER HOUSE AT 2 31 WEST AGARITA AVENUE.
LOCATED TWO BLOCKS FROM THE CLARK'S HOME.
UH, BOTH HAVE SIMILAR BRICK TO OUR PROJECT AND WE BELIEVE BOTH WERE DONE SUCCESSFULLY IN INCORPORATING THE METAL ROOF WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE IMPORTANT CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU'RE BOTH IN AGREEMENT WITH FOLLOWING US IN THEIR PATH FORWARD.
UH, THE OWNERS HAVE ALSO STATED THAT THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO KEEPING THE SHINGLED ROOF, BUT WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE BOTH FOR PRICING OPTIONS AND DECIDE LATER ON.
UM, THAT COVERS EVERYTHING ON OUR COMMENTS FROM OHP.
UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE GO, SIR.
VERY QUICKLY, UM, STAFF FOR THE DESIGNATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, UH, UH, FOR IT BEING LISTED IN THE REGISTER OF HISTORIC HISTORIC PLACES, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE HERE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, IT, IT DOESN'T, IF THE APPLICANT WERE PURSUING A TAX CREDIT, THEN IT MAY, IF THAT WOULD TRIGGER AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON THAT.
SO THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES AT THAT LEVEL FOR WHAT HE'S DOING.
I MEAN, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, UH, WHICH OUR GUIDELINES ARE BASED OFF OF.
AND THEN SECOND REFERENCE TO THE OTHER METAL ROOFS IN THE, IN THE AREA.
HOW DID THOSE HOUSES GET METAL ROOFS? UH, GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION APPROVED 2 31 WEST AGARITA.
UM, I'D NEED TO HAVE THAT VERIFIED.
UM, THE ROOF AT ONE 17 EAST SUMMIT,
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UH, HAS BEEN INSTALLED FOR, I'D SAY APPROXIMATELY 10, 15 YEARS.I THINK GOOGLE STREET VIEW GOES BACK TO 2011 AND I BELIEVE I SAW IT ON THERE.
UH, SO, UM, THIS ROOF HAS BEEN INSTALLED, UH, FOR SOME TIME.
UH, I WILL NOTE, UM, THE DARK COLOR OF THIS ROOF SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, BLENDS IN MUCH BETTER WITH THE MATERIALS OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAN THE GAL BLOOM FINISH.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, LIKE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH OUR NORMAL STIPULATIONS FOR METAL ROOFS AND SO NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND A COLORED ROOF IN THIS CASE WE'RE SAYING ALTOGETHER, UM, THE METAL ROOF ISN'T APPROPRIATE WITH THE STYLE, BUT IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE GAL LOOM RELEASE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, IT'S A BIT OF A DUMB QUESTION, BUT IS, UH, WAS COPPER JUST FOUND NOT, UH, FEASIBLE COST-WISE OR, UH, IT WASN'T EVER IN THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE OWNERS.
I DON'T THINK THEY EVER LIKED THE LOOK OF THAT.
SO THEY WANTED TO KEEP SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH WHAT THEY HAVE NOW, WHICH IS THAT DARK COLORED SHINGLE ROOF.
UM, SO THEY WENT TO THE METAL STANDING SCENE.
AND THEN I JUST GOTTA ASK, ARE ARE THOSE YOUR DRAWINGS OR ARE THOSE RICHARD MOGAS DRAWINGS? THOSE ARE RICHARD MOGAS DRAWINGS.
WELL TELL HIM HIS DRAWINGS ARE MUCH APPRECIATED.
THE ROOF OF THE ADDITION, SORRY, REPEAT THAT.
THE ADDITION HAS A ROOF THAT'S YES, IT WILL.
AND IT'LL ALSO BE THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
BUT THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT COLORS TOO.
WILL YOU STILL DO THE SAME COLOR FOR BOTH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE, SO WE'RE HOPING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE ROOF ON THE HOUSE AND THEN WHILE THE ADDITION IS BEING BUILT, SO THE ADDITION ON THE SECOND STORY WILL HAVE THE SAME ROOF COLOR AS, UM, THE ENTIRE ROOF.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE MOTION, BUT RATHER THAN A, UH, PRE-FINISHED, UM, METAL ROOF, UH, TO GET A DARKER COLOR INITIALLY, WOULD Y'ALL CONSIDER A, UM, A WEATHERED, UM, UM, SAME COAT? I'M SORRY? YEAH.
UH, LIKE A ZINC COAT OR A PRE WEATHERED, UH, UH, GAL BLOOM? UH, YES WE WOULD, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH WE, UH, CUTS DOWN THE SHEEN INITIALLY.
AND COMES IN AS A DARKER GRAY.
AND THEN IT'LL CONTINUE TO AGE AS IT GOES, BUT, UH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE, UM, I'M NOT SURE PERSONALLY, I DUNNO HOW WELL THE, THE, UH, PRE-FINISHED PAINTED METAL ROOFS HOLD UP.
UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE WE'VE USED A LOT OF STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS.
UM, OVER TIME THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY HARDY.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THEM, SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND THEM TO OUR CLIENTS.
UM, IF A ALTERNATIVE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION, WE WILL FOR SURE TAKE IT TO THE CLIENT AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
I'M SORRY, I JUST, I DON'T THINK I, WHEN I SAID ADDITION, NEW ADDITION, THE, A DETACHED GARAGE, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT ON THE DETACHED GARAGE.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS RIGHT NOW IN OUR SCOPE IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT.
SO THE DETACHED GARAGE IS ASPHALT SHINGLE AND WE STAY LIKE THAT? YES.
BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE DETACHED GARAGE ADDITIONAL TO THE HOUSE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO INTERVENE WITH ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES FOR A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, PART OF IT IS THE, THE STRIATION THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE SHINGLE.
PART OF IT IS WHATEVER THAT FINISH IS, IS IT SHINY? IS IT BRIGHT? UM, IT WON'T EVER HAVE THAT WORN LOOK.
IS SO, SO NOTED FOR, UM, HAVE YOU ALSO LOOKED INTO, UM, ARTIFICIAL SHINGLE? UM, I'M, UH, I CAN, CAN'T THINK OF THE BRANDS LIKE MATERIAL.
WHICH THEN HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE GREATER DURABILITY.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMILAR TO THE METAL ROOF.
BUT IT ALSO HAS A, A GREATER THICKNESS, SO IT IS MORE CONVINCING AS A SHINGLE MATERIAL.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED INTO? UM, WE HAVEN'T YET, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED, WE WOULD HAPPILY TAKE IT BACK.
IT, IT COULD, IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, CHECKS OFF A NUMBER OF BOXES FOR
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YOU GUYS.JUST THE LONGER LONGEVITY MM-HMM
AND IT'S ALSO USED, UM, IT'S, UM, BEEN USED IN A NUMBER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES HERE IN TEXAS, SO IT DOES HOLD UP TO THE SOLAR INCIDENT.
I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR.
UM, MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, INCLUDING ITEM ONE ONE THAT FINAL CUT SHEETS, THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE SUBMITTED.
THAT ITEM ONE TWO ENABLE THE USE OF STANDING SEAM, UH, WITH, UH, APPROVING ITEM TWO, UH, AS WAS AS WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THAT'S TWO ONE, UH, TO INCLUDE ITEM THREE, UH, BUT WITH THE, UH, MATCHING STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.
AND, AND IN ITEM FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, COORDINATE WITH STAFF FOR, UH, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, STANDING SEAM SPECIFICATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
OH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION WE'RE ASKING.
WITH THE SHINGLE MATERIAL, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOR, FOR, FOR ALL INSTANCES WHERE SHINGLE THAT IT'S STANDING SEEN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL A METAL ROOF OVER THE WHOLE THING.
AND BASICALLY THE, NOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE MOTION.
SO BASICALLY EVERY STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I, I'LL COMMENTED, I MEAN, I THINK I'LL SUPPORT IT THEN.
SO I MEAN, LIKE LOOKING AT IT FROM LIKE, FROM THE STREET VIEW, IT PROBABLY WON'T VISIBLE.
I ALSO WOULD SAY, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID ADD THAT IN THE MOTION, MEAN REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH STAFF ON THE, ON THE FINAL MATERIAL AND COLOR AND, AND FIND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, MIGHT NOT BE LIKE THAT SHINY LIKE WE'VE SEEN.
THAT I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER ON THE HOUSE.
SO JUST STILL KEEP THE OPTION OPEN OF DOING THE SHINGLES.
ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 7 3 1 18 PARKVIEW DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT ONE 18.
PARKVIEW LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN THAT OF THE NEIGHBORING TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES BE INCORPORATED AND FINDING IS NOTED IN FINDING E AND INCREASED SETBACK WOULD LIKELY CONTRIBUTE TO A REDUCTION PERCEIVED MASSING FOR THE PROPOSED TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
A SETBACK SETBACK DIAGRAM IS TO BE PROVIDED TO SHOW THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SETBACK IN CONTEXT WITH NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THE STREET SIDEWALK AND PROPERTY LINES TO THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE'S HEIGHT, AS WELL AS THE, AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES HEIGHTS BE PROVIDED TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROPOSED TWO STORIES PROVIDED THAT THE TOTAL HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES BY 50%.
THREE, THAT A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF, OF APPROXIMATELY ONE FOOT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED.
FOUR, THAT THE PITCH OF THE SHED ROOF BE REDUCED TO RELATE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCKING WITHIN THE MISSION.
HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING FINDINGS H AND M FIVE, THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA IS NOTED IN FINDING I SIX.
THAT MATERIALS THAT ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WINDOW MATERIALS ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED WINDOW STANDARDS IS NOTED IN FINDINGS K AND L.
UH, SEVEN THAT RECTANGULAR AND SQUARE FIXED WINDOWS BE MODIFIED IN SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE A SASH WINDOW AND AT THE THREE GROUPED WINDOWS AT THE SECOND LEVEL ON THE WEST ELEVATION BE SEPARATED BY A ION OF SIX INCHES.
AND WIDTH IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT SEVEN AT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH.
AND THAT THE PROPOSED WALKWAY FEATURE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR FEET IN WIDTH,
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UH, EIGHT, EXCUSE ME, NINE, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED WHEN RETURNING TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.THAT NOTES THE LOCATION OF FENCING AND PROVIDES INFORMATION REGARDING LANDSCAPING MATERIALS AND 10 THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IS NOTED IN FINDING T UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, ANISA ALVARADO IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND CAN TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU NOW.
I, UH, CURRENTLY OWN 1 1 8 PARK VIEW AND I WILL BE, UH, LIVING IN THIS AS MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
THE TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAD HERE WERE, UH, MOSTLY ABOUT THE SETBACK TO INCREASE THE SETBACK, UH, BEYOND WHERE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE WOULD IMPEDE THE USABILITY, I GUESS, OF THE YARD BECAUSE I DO WANT TO ADD A FUTURE PARKING STRUCTURE AT THE BACK OF THE LOT.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE SITE PLAN HERE.
IDEALLY THAT WOULD BE POSITIONED ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
OF COURSE, UH, FRONT FACING GARAGE STRUCTURE OR PARKING STRUCTURE ISN'T IDEAL OR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED.
UH, SO I WANTED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT I MAY HAVE A FUTURE STRUCTURE DWELLING THERE AND UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
I ALSO WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS WITH A FULL LENGTH, UH, WIDTH, I'M SORRY, OF THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY I POSITIONED THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY TO ONE SIDE.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE OKAY LEAVING IT AS A STIPULATION JUST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF ALSO HELP US WITH LIKE YOU'VE SEEN OF ALL THE PREVIOUS CASES IS EXACT MEASUREMENTS AND LIKE WHERE, WHAT ARE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES LIKE KIND OF MAYBE, UH, JUST TWO CASE AGO WHERE HE BASICALLY GAVE US A WHOLE STREET MAP MM-HMM
AND THEN, UH, I THINK THAT WILL HELP US, BUT IF IT'S OKAY LEAVING ALL THE STIPULATIONS THERE FOR NOW AND THEN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
I GUESS THE SECOND ITEM, I'M SORRY, I GLAZED OVER THAT.
LEAVING, LEAVING THAT STIPULATION.
THE ADDITIONAL WOULD BE PROBABLY THE SAME STIPULATION STAYS IN PLACE AND TO CLARIFY WITH MORE INFORMATION, UH, IS THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.
UH, I CONSULTED WITH MY ARCHITECT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ADJUSTMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE PITCH OF THE ROOF AND HE SAID NOTHING THAT WOULD IN, UH, THAT WOULD WOULDN'T IMPEDE IMPEDED US ABILITY OF EVERYTHING I HAVE LAID OUT ALREADY.
SO HE SAID IT WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE INTERIOR.
AND, AND I I MAYBE CAN CLARIFY, UM, IT'S JUST THE PORCH ROOF.
NOT THE, NOT THE PRIMARY ROOF, JUST MAINLY, UM, LIKE IF THE PORCH ROOF STOPPED, MAYBE LIKE WHERE I'VE DRAWN THAT BLUE LINE RIGHT THERE.
SO LIKE MAYBE A SIX INCHES LOWER MM-HMM
UM, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAN OTHERS THAT ARE FOUND ON THE BLOCK.
UM, AND REGARDING THE SETBACK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, I, I WENT ON SITE AND LOOKED AND IT, THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF SHIFTING THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR.
ALL OF THE HOUSES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THERE ARE THREE TREES, I BELIEVE PECAN TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PRESERVE.
UH, AND SO, UM, I, IF THERE IS SHIFTING, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE DRASTIC ENOUGH TO WHERE IT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM BUILDING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE FUTURE.
IS THERE ARE MORE NORMAL QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR, DO A MOTION PLEASE.
OUR MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
OH, JUST, JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU IT'S A REALLY, UH, BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 11 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 8 5 18 15 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL ONE SINGLE BACKLIT SIGN READING UN MAUI'S AND MEASURING 24 SQUARE FEET ON THE SOUTHERN FACADE.
RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INSTALLATION OF ONE SINGLE LIT BACK SIGN READING UNCLE MAUI'S AND MEASURING 24 SQUARE FEET ON THE SOUTHERN FACADE AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.
UH, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THE APPLICANT WE WENT AHEAD AND RELEASED AS WE WERE, UM, RECOMMENDING
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APPROVAL HERE.HONESTLY, I MESSED UP AND I SHOULD HAVE PUT IT ON CONSENT, BUT HERE WE ARE.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE NUMBER 20 25 0 8 5, THE ADDRESS OF 1815 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, A LANDMARK PROPERTY.
UM, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE AGREE WITH SCOTT'S RECOMMENDATION AND ARE EXCITED WITH THIS.
I HAVE THIS NEW BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THE ONLY REQUEST THAT WE HAVE IS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WORK ON A, A PROCEDURE TO REMOVE THE OLD METAL SIGN THAT FACES FREDERICKSBURG ROAD WITHOUT DAMAGE TO THE STUCCO, UH, FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S ONLY OUR ONLY REQUEST, UH, IN MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE ARE EXCITED FOR THIS APPLICANT AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
IT'S JUST A ONE VOICEMAIL, CORRECT.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY, SORRY, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 3 5 20 11 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING REAR STRUCTURE AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED BUILDING'S FOOTPRINT TO MEASURE 40% OR LESS IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THE PRIMARY BUILDING'S FOOTPRINT, REDUCED THE OVERALL HEIGHT TO BE NO TALLER THAN THE TALLEST ADJACENT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND SUBMIT SCALED IN DIMENSION DRAWINGS TO INCLUDE PLANS AND ELEVATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C3 THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL PRODUCT AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE WINDOWS, GARAGE DOOR, EXTERIOR DOOR, AND SIDING PRODUCTS BASED ON FINDINGS A, E, AND F.
AND LASTLY, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS IS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE BASED ON FINDING D THERE IS ALSO A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ONE.
UH, WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT, MARK WILSON HERE.
UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU CAN PROCEED YOUR REQUEST.
UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, UM, AND GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS MARK WILSON AND I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR A PROPOSED GARAGE APARTMENT TO BE BUILT TO MY BACKYARD REPLACING THE EXISTING ORIGINAL GARAGE STRUCTURE.
I'VE BEEN A PROUD RESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS, AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY HOME AND THE RICH CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING HERE AS DEEP IN MY APPRECIATION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND I'M COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY AND BEAUTY THAT MAKES THIS AREA SO SPECIAL.
THAT'S WHY MY PROPOSED DESIGN IS INTENTIONALLY KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER, SCALE AND MATERIALS OF THE DISTRICT.
THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL REFLECT THE ORIGINAL GARAGE'S ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WHILE PROVIDING MODERN FUNCTIONALITY THAT MEETS TODAY'S HOUSING NEEDS.
I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THE GROWING NEED FOR MORE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND THIS PROJECT IS A SMALL BUT MEANINGFUL RESPONSE TO THAT NEED EXECUTED WITH CARE AND RESPECT FOR THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF MONTICELLO PARK.
THE CURRENT GARAGE IS IN SIGNIFICANT DISREPAIR AND LACKS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OR UTILITY TO SERVE A MEANINGFUL PURPOSE.
REPLACING IT WITH A GARAGE APARTMENT NOT ONLY PRESERVES THE USE OF THE SPACE BUT CONTRIBUTES TO THE FATALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY OFFERING A MODEST AND RESPECTFUL WAY TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, UH, COMMISSION'S MISSION IS TO ENSURE THAT CHANGES TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES PRESERVE THEIR CHARACTER WHILE ALLOWING FOR COMPATIBLE THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THAT MISSION AND WITH THE CITY'S BROADER GOAL OF ENCOURAGING SUSTAINABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS THAT HONOR SAN ANTONIO'S HERITAGE TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY, I'VE PARTNERED WITH A HIGHLY QUALIFIED BUILDER WHO WILL, WHO PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN ANOTHER OF SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND UNDERSTANDS THE UNIQUE CARE THESE HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS REQUIRE.
HE WILL EXECUTE A THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT RESPECTS THE EXISTING SITE LAYOUT AND COMPLIES WITH HISTORIC GUIDELINES, FOCUSING ON ELEMENTS LIKE ROOF LINES, WINDOW PROPORTIONS, AND MATERIALS THAT ECHO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
THE NEW BUILDING WILL SIT AT THE REAR OF THE LOT, PRESERVING THE PROMINENCE OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE IN MINIMIZING VISUAL IMPACT FROM THE STREET.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL REFLECTS PRESERVATION VALUES EMBRACED IN HISTORIC COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ADAPTIVE REUSE, CONTACT
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SENSITIVE DESIGN AND SUPPORT FOR HOMEOWNERS STRIVING TO MAINTAIN AND STEWARD HISTORIC PROPERTIES.I TRULY BELIEVE THIS PROJECT STRENGTHENS THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF MY HOME AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
I WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? NO, NONE AT ALL.
THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERED CONCEPTUAL AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO HEAVILY INVEST IN A DESIGNER OR ANYTHING.
SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? YES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, STATED IN, UH, IN THE COUNTY IT SAYS MY HOUSE IS 1,392 SQUARE FEET.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A RECENT APPRAISAL THAT SAYS IT'S 1,510, SO THAT 40% PUTS ME AT 604 SQUARE FEET, MAXIMUM HEATED SQUARE FEET.
THE DESIGN I'M PROPOSING IS 572.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT MIGHT CHANGE FROM CONCEPTUAL TO FINAL DESIGN, UH, IS WHERE MY SEWER LINE SITS.
UM, SO WITH SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE REDONE A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE I DO NOT COVER THOSE UP, UM, SEPARATELY.
UM, THE, THE 22 FEET AND TWO INCH, UM, YOU KNOW, MAX RIDGE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, I, I TOOK CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LESS PROMINENT, UM, COMPARED TO MY MAIN HOUSE, BUT THEN ALSO COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I'M, I, UH, WOULD LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED COMMENSURATE WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
OKAY, MAY I HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, ADDRESS 2011 WEST SUMMIT, HDRC, CASE 20 25 0 3 5.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO OFFERING COMMENTS ON THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT A GREAT SUCCESS.
UM, AND WE CAUTIOUSLY, UM, REQUEST THAT POTENTIALLY THE APPLICANT COME AND MEET WITH US AS THEY WORK TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL.
AND WE NOTE THAT THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, YOUR ORIGINAL HOUSE, JUST SOME INFORMATION, BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THIS.
YOUR ORIGINAL HOUSE IS FROM THE FORTIES, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE CEILING HEIGHT IN YOUR HOUSE? IT'S A LITTLE OVER EIGHT FEET.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S 100 INCHES.
AND WHAT IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY THE PROPOSED PLATE HEIGHT FOR THE GARAGE PORTION OF YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE? UH, IT'S CURRENTLY AT NINE FEET.
YOU KNOW, I, I TALKED WITH MY BUILDER ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EIGHT FEET AS WELL AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, GARAGES WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, FOUNDATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, NINE FEET IS NICE IN A GARAGE.
UH, AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR SECOND FLOOR? I DON'T HAVE A SECOND FLOOR IN MY, OH, IN THE SECOND FLOOR.
IN THE EIGHT FEET IT'LL BE EIGHT FEET? YES.
YEAH, MY CONCERN WAS ABOUT HOW, I MEAN, THIS LOOKS HISTORIC, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK HISTORIC TO THE HOUSE, TO YOUR PRIMARY HOUSE STYLISTICALLY, SO, CORRECT.
SO THE PERHAPS THAT CAN BE WORKED ON.
YES, THE, THE CHANGES WOULD BE MADE OF COURSE WOULD BE, UH, SIDING AND UH, WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MATCH THAT.
YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS ASKED IF I'D BE OPEN TO UH, HARDY AND I SAID NO, I WOULD RATHER GO WOOD, WOOD SIDING, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO THE MAIN HOME AS POSSIBLE.
CAN STEP CLARIFY HOW WE CAME APPROVAL OF, UH, TION, HAS IT LOST INTEGRITY, WHAT'S THE SURE.
THEY'RE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER AS WELL THAT I HAVE PULLED UP THAT I'LL SHOW YOU.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SPOKEN, UM, WITH THE PROFESSIONAL IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE GARAGE AS WELL.
SO, UM, THERE IS NO BOTTOM PLATE ANYWHERE.
IT HAS CONTINUED TO SINK INTO THE GROUND.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS IT'S GETTING A LITTLE WORSE.
UM, THERE IS SOME WOOD ROT, THERE WAS A SIDE THAT WAS EVEN WORSE THAT, UM, ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS I JUST WITH SOME BOTTLE JACKS AND SOME, SOME STUDS TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T FALLING ANYMORE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE HER ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA
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CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 7 6 2 3 8 LAVERA BOULEVARD.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 508 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 508 FOOT SQUARE SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE A MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOW PRODUCT AND FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT RELATES TO THOSE EXISTING WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND E THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A VERTICAL SIDING MATERIAL THAT FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH DIMENSION AND PROFILE TO REPRESENT HISTORIC SIDING WITH INDIVIDUAL BOARDS VERSUS SHEETS BASED ON FINDINGS A AND F THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL WINDOW DOOR ROOFING AND SIDING SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF COA BASED ON FINDINGS A, D, E, AND F, THAT THE APPLICANT MUST MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS IS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APP IF APPLICABLE.
UM, SINCE, UH, REVIEW THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, UH, ANOTHER SET OF PLANS, UH, THAT HAVE THAT ARE TO REPLACE WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED IN THE CASE FILE.
I DO HAVE THOSE IN THE LATE FOLDER AS WELL.
I WILL PULL THEM UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THOMAS VILLANUEVA, AND, UM, THIS WOULD CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION AS RE IN REGARDS TO ROOF FORM, UM, FOR THE NEW NEWLY PRESENTED DESIGN.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING OUR, UH, APPLICATION HERE AND, AND SEEING US TODAY.
UM, WE HAVE A CURRENT RESIDENCE AT THIS LOCATION.
OH, MY NAME'S THOMAS VILLANUEVA.
UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS BACKHOUSE IS TO BE FOR A WORKSPACE AND A STUDIO.
UH, THE OWNERS OF OUR PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY, UH, HER PARENTS.
UH, THEY'VE TOTALLY APPROVED EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU HERE TODAY.
UM, WITH THIS DESIGN, UM, IT WAS CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT BY MY WIFE AND WITH THE FULL INTENTION OF REALLY BEING ABLE TO INCORPORATE A LOT OF NATURAL LIGHT WITHIN THE SPACE.
UM, THE MAIN PART OF THE STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE A WORK STUDIO.
UH, SHE'S AN ARTIST, SO A LOT OF WHAT SHE DOES, SHE'S GONNA NEED A LOT OF WALL SPACE ON THE WALLS AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, SOME HIGHER CEILINGS SO THAT WAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE ON THE WALLS, ENOUGH LIGHT COMING IN AND UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE SPACE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO HELP HER WITH HER WORK.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, AN ATTACHED OR A, YEAH, AN ATTACHED SHED ALSO ON THIS AS WELL, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FUTURE PLANS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A GARAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WE, OUR PLAN IS TO TURN THAT INTO AS SOMEWHAT OF A WORKSPACE AS WELL, LIKE AN OFFICE.
UM, SO WE DO NEED SOME EXTRA SPACE TO ALSO INCORPORATE, UM, PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT WE NEED TO PUT FOR STORAGE.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO REALLY, UM, WE REALLY WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS DESIGN AND WE DO HAVE SOME PICTURES FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE SIMILAR DESIGNS ON THOSE STRUCTURES AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL THOSE UP.
SO THIS HOUSE IS ON HOWARD STREET.
UM, IT'S LESS THAN A BLOCK AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE, UH, HERE HAS THE, THE SKINNY WINDOWS WITH THE, WITH THE PITCH ROOF, UM, JUST LIKE OUR DESIGN IS, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SAME THING, UM, LONGER WINDOWS ON THE CLOSED SPACE THERE AND THEN, AND THAT'S ON LAVERA AS WELL.
THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE STREET.
SHE DOES HAVE A STANDING METAL SEAM ROOF.
UM, WE WANT TO AND THE LONG SKINNY WINDOWS.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE THAT WE LIVE IN IS A SHINGLE ROOF.
UM, BUT THE OWNER IS, THE PLANS ARE TO CHANGE IT TO A METAL ROOF, UH, SHORTLY AFTER DOING THE BACK HOUSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL PLEASE.
HI, THIS IS LAURA THOMAS AT 2 6 2 LARA.
UM, I LIVE AND WORK HERE AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE HOUSE AT 2 3 8 LARA THAT WANTS TO PUT, UM, A SEPARATE DWELLING IN THE BACK.
AND, UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
THAT'S A VERY TINY HOUSE AND I, I WOULD BE COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THEM DOING AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
BUT AS FAR AS A SEPARATE BUILDING,
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IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A BUSINESS NOW OR A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORKSPACE.BUT WHO'S TO SAY IN A YEAR THAT THEY DECIDE TO MOVE ON AND THAT, UM, THE NEXT PERSON WANTS TO, WANTS TO, UM, MAKE IT A
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A CASITA IT JUST ADDS TO THE, THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING ON THE STREET.
AND THE ONLY ONE THAT BENEFITS IS THE HOMEOWNER THAT IS MAKING SOME RENT.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION MR. CHAIR? MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
UM, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, REGARDING THE, THE SIDING MATERIAL AND THE WINDOWS? SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS, WE, I DESIGNED THE WINDOWS VERY SPECIFICALLY, UM, TO LET THE MOST LIGHT IN, UM, AND ALSO TO HAVE THE MOST WALL SPACE POSSIBLE MM-HMM
FOR WORKING IN THERE AS AN ARTIST.
SO WE'VE KIND OF MESSED AROUND AND TRIED TO DO LIKE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS IN THE DESIGN AND IT JUST TAKES UP SO MUCH WALL SPACE, WHICH IS LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO I MEAN, I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP PLAYING AROUND WITH THE WINDOWS, BUT, UM, YEAH.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SIDING MATERIAL? THE SIDING WE'RE OPEN TO.
OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST TO CLARIFY.
SO STAFF HAS NOT SEEN THE UPDATED DESIGN AND IT DOES COMPLETELY CHANGE THE ROOF.
SO THIS DESIGN WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED AND THEN, UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM STAFF TO THE APPLICANT, THE ROOF FORMS WERE CHANGED.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS REVIEWED FOR THE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE CASE FILE.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, LATER, UH, OR, OR EXCUSE ME EARLIER TODAY, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, DECIDED, UH, TO, TO ASK YOU ALL TO REVIEW THIS, THE INITIAL DESIGN.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ROOF, UH, CORRECT.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S THAT CHANGE, THERE'S THAT CHANGE AND STAFF WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, ALTHOUGH THIS IS ONLY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WOULD YOU GUYS BE AMENABLE TO A DRC WHERE WE COULD SIT DOWN IN A MORE INFORMAL SITUATION, TAKE A LOOK AND GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ALONG WITH BY THEN STAFF WILL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT TOO? SURE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTIONS HERE.
JUST IS, IS THE DESIGN OF THE STUDIO PARTICULAR TO YOUR CREATIVITY? I MEAN, DID, DID YOU COME UP WITH THE STUDIO AND YOU FEEL LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS AND THE, THE WAY THAT IT SITS IS THE WAY YOU WANT TO FEEL WHEN YOU'RE CREATING ART? DEFINITELY, YES.
I DEFINITELY TOOK ALL OF THAT INTO CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND, AND A BIG PART OF WHY WE LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SO MUCH IS BECAUSE OF THE UPTOWN ART STROLL, WHICH HAPPENS EVERY YEAR AND I'VE BEEN AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT OF IT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND I LOVE SO MUCH PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
UH, AND UM, I ALWAYS KIND OF DO IT IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S FRONT YARD
SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SET UP IN MY SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE CHECK OUT THE, THE NEW BACK HOUSE AND EVERYTHING.
NO OTHER QUESTION COME, I'LL GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MOTION PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT, UM, FOR A CONTINUANCE TO REVIEW, UM, THE, THE NEWLY SUBMITTED DESIGN AND ALSO TO SCHEDULE A DRC WITH YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNE TIME.
SECOND, SPEND MORE THAN PROPERLY.
SECOND, SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS AS YOU COME UP WITH THE DESIGN AND STAFF HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW, PLUS I, I DO REALIZE THAT, I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER OR AT LEAST ALSO EXPLORE THE IDEA, UM, THE MATERIAL BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT YOUR HOUSE, YOU MIGHT WANNA CHANGE THE ROOF MATERIAL.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN'T APPROVE A ROOF MATERIAL BASED ON A FUTURE DECISION.
AND THAT, AS YOU'VE SEEN TODAY, IT'S ALSO A DIFFICULT ONE TO APPROVE JUST A CHANGE OF MATERIAL ON THE ROOF ON THE PRIMARY.
SO I DON'T WANT ANY, I GUESS TO LIKE BE YOU KIND OF LOOKING AT AS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT WE WANT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MATCH THE FRONT HOUSE TOO.
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SO I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, UM, WHILE YOU'RE EXPLORING MORE ON IT.AND WE'RE OPEN TO DOING THE SHINGLE ROOF AS WELL TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO DOING THE SHINGLE ROOF ON THAT BACK STRUCTURE AS WELL.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CASTILLO? AYE.
STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, SO THANK YOU.
THAT WAS OUR LAST CASE FOR TODAY.
BEFORE YOU HERE, IF YOU WANNA SWING BY MY TABLE, I.