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[9:00 AM – Call to Order]
EVERYONE.I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER, UM, ON APRIL THE 18TH, 2025 AT 9 0 2.
SO GO AHEAD AND DO DAVIS FLORES HERE.
HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM TRANSLATION SERVICES.
GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JUANITA VERA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERN, CONCERN CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGNING AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR OR PROJECT OF A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTE TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR THE OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO REPRESENT, TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF, OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MAY BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO START WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, WE DO NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 21ST, 2025.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE MEETING MINUTES.
I MAKE A MOTION ONLY APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, THE MEETING MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A, UH, SPEAKER SIGNED IN FOR GENERAL ITEMS. BIANCA MALDONADO.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5.
AND MY PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE REALLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT CONSTANTLY REVIEWS THE PUBLISHED INFORMATION, I WANTED TO BRING TWO ITEMS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND TO STAFF'S ATTENTION THAT WE WOULD REQUEST ADDITIONAL
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INFORMATION WHEN THERE ARE VIOLATIONS REGARDING A CASE.ALL DATES FOR STOP WORK ORDERS SHOULD BE NOTICED IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE CASE FILE.
IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN THOSE STOP WORK ORDERS ARE ISSUED, PHOTOS OF THE CONDITIONS OF WHEN THE STOP WORK ORDER IS ISSUED SHOULD ALSO BE, UH, ACCOMPANIED THOSE DATES OF WHEN THAT STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED.
ALSO, MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT IS CONVENED, A COMMITTEE, A SUBCOMMITTEE, LIKE A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND THERE, UM, AT LEAST AT AT, AT THE HDRC LEVEL, THERE IS A REPORT THAT IS USUALLY INCLUDED IN THE CASE FILE.
UM, AT TIMES THERE'S NOT A REPORT.
AND SO IF THAT'S BEING REFERENCED IN A DECISION THAT STAFF IS MAKING OR A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY ARE MAKING, NOT HAVING THAT INFORMATION IS AN INCOMPLETE FILE AND DOESN'T SHOW A LACK.
IT LACKS TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS IN HOW A DECISION IS MADE.
AND SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU REQUEST THIS INFORMATION, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK STAFF, UH, FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE IT IS VERY, UH, RELEVANT TO YOUR PROCESS FOR COMPLIANCE, UM, IN THIS, UH, ACTION ON YOUR BOARD.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW ME TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
MOVING ON DICKINSON ITEMS, WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEM TWO.
UM, MS. CARPENTER RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES.
BIANCA HAS YIELDED HER TIME AS WELL AND IS SIGNED IN SPEAK.
GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, PAM CARPENTER, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO AND PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 103 15 7 8 2 0 1 MPNA APPRECIATES THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
5 0 7 FUR DRIVE, A DUPLEX DESIGNED BY PROMINENT ARCHITECT NATHANIEL RAS NAFO, UM, WHO ALSO DESIGNED THE ALTA THEATER AND MANY OTHER AFFORDABLE LANDMARK ELIGIBLE HOMES WITH TILE ROOFS AND MASONRY BECAUSE OF ITS ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, 5 0 7 FIRST CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO OUR DISTRICT IN JANUARY, 2024.
THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER AND DISREGARDED THE CON AND THE CONTRACTOR COMPLETED THE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.
WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, THE PROPERTY OWNER MADE THE DECISION TO DISREGARD THE STOP WORK ORDER ISSUED BY THE CITY.
THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE NOTED IN THE VIOLATION AS BIANCA MEED.
AND IT'S NOT ALL EFFORTS TO SALVAGE THE, THE TILE.
AND CLAY TILE ROOFS ARE A SYMBOL OF PREMIUM QUALITY AND DURABILITY.
AND, UM, NOW A, A MATERIAL PROPOSED IS LESS NOBLE AND IT HAS NO AUTHENTICITY.
THERE'S AN EFFORT TO FALSIFY IT WITH, UM, A MATERIAL THAT'S NOT CLAY, NOT ORIGINAL, NOT HISTORIC WHEN THEY HAD THE REAL DEAL.
UM, UNLIKE OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, LESS THAN 3% OF MONTICELLO PARK'S HOMES HAVE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS, AND NOT A SINGLE PROPERTY HAS STEEL TILE THAT LOOKS LIKE CLAY.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK CTA TO DENY THIS REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT.
PROMINENT CHARACTER DEFINING CRAFTSMANSHIP SHOULD NOT BE DOWNGRADED.
THE ROOF SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH IN-KIND CLAY TILE TO UPHOLD THE MATERIAL.
WE ASK FOR CONSISTENCY IN THE APPLICATION OF THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES IN OUR DISTRICT.
THE HOME NEXT DOOR, THE VERY HOME RIGHT ADJACENT TO THIS AT 5 0 1 FUR HAD ITS TILE ROOF REMOVED WITHOUT A C OF A.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS REQUIRED BY OHP IN RECENT YEARS TO HAVE A NEW CLAY ROOF TILE INSTALLED AND THEY COMPLIED.
HOW IS THIS FAIR? IT APPEARS THAT 5 0 7 FUR IS AN INCOME GENERATING RENTAL PROPERTY THAT WAS LISTED IN DECEMBER FOR $1,300 A MONTH.
WE PRESERVE BEFORE WE RESTORE AND WE RESTORE BEFORE WE REPLACE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY IN RESTORING THE TILE ROOF FOR 5 0 7 FUR.
ASK, DOES THIS SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL HAVE A BARREL PROFILE? IS IT THREE OR FOUR INCHES DEEP? DOES IT CURVE? IS IT CONCAVE? IS IT 19 INCHES LONG? DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS? DOES IT LOOK LIKE A CLAY TILE ROOF? DOES IT HAVE THAT RUSTIC CHARACTER DEFINING QUALITY TO IT, WHICH IS AN ASSET TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? WE WANNA KEEP SAN ANTONIO IN OUR DISTRICT HISTORIC WHY 26 MILLION VISITORS COME TO IT AND WE WANT AUTHENTIC MATERIALS.
PTO SAN ANTONIO IS HISTORIC SAN ANTONIO.
I AM THE 16TH OWNER OF MY HOME IN MONTICELLO PARK.
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AND IF ALL THE OWNERS HOMEOWNERS BEFORE ME PUT A DIFFERENT ROOF ON, PUT A DIFFERENT WINDOW IN, PUT A DIFFERENT DOOR IN, CHANGED UP THE YARD, HOW HISTORIC WOULD THAT BE? SO PLEASE, AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS, GOTH AND YOU GET TO OUR CASE, PLEASE KEEP THESE COMMENTS IN MIND AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE CONSIDERING THEM.MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
GOOD, GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS JOHN PENA AND I'M HERE IN OPPOSITION OF THE DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION AT 2 0 5 EAST REET.
AND, UH, I'M RUNNING AS A RESIDENT OF THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT TO FORMALLY EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY ON THE FRONT LAWN AT 2 0 5 EAST REET.
AS YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VALID FOR HISTORICAL, HISTORICAL CHARACTER, ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, AND COHESIVE STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROTECTED UNDER THE DISTRICT'S PRESERVATION GUIDELINES.
THE INSTALLATION OF A MODERN DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT YARD DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THESE PRINCIPLES AND POSES A THREAT TO THE VI AND CULTURAL CONTINUITY THAT DEFINES OUR AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THE VISUAL IMPACT, THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CON CONCERNS THAT SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED.
PAVING OVER GREEN SPACE ELIMINATES NATURAL SURFACES THAT ABSORB RAINFALL AND MAY REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF TREES OR MATURE LANDSCAPING THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEAUTY AND ECOLOGICAL HEALTH.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THRIVES BECAUSE OF A SHARED COMMITMENT TO PRESERVATION, MAKING EXCEPTIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONVENIENCE RISKS, UNDERMINING THAT SHARED VISION ALONG WITH A COMMUNITY TRUST THAT SUPPORTS IT AND WILL FURTHER ERODE THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EACH ALTERATION CHIPS AWAY AT THE COHESIVE CHARM THAT MAKES THIS DISTRICT UNIQUE AND VALUABLE FOR THESE REASONS, I ASK THAT, LET ME CHANGE THAT.
UH, FOR THESE REASONS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT ASK THAT THIS REQUEST BE DENIED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, ATTENTION, AND DEDICATION TO PRESERVING SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC COMMUNITIES.
AND NEXT WE HAVE MICKEY CONRAD.
I'M THE, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, WHICH THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT LIES WITHIN OUR, OUR BOUNDARIES.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO, TO JOHN'S, UH, UH, UH, MESSAGE.
HE RECEIVED 33 SIGNATURES, AND YOU MAY HAVE THOSE IN YOUR PACKET FROM NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OPPOSING THIS DRIVEWAY.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY, UH, ON THIS NARROW LOT OF THIS HOUSE.
AND THE GUIDELINES STATE THAT DON'T ADD ANY FEATURE THAT IS NOT HISTORIC THAT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR THE, THE STREET SCAPE OF THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THIS LOT IS A VERY NARROW LOT.
THE HOUSE ALMOST GOES FROM SIDE PROPERTY, LINE TO SIDE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS DRIVEWAY WILL ESSENTIALLY HAVE A CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF THIS HISTORIC HOUSE.
UM, YES, THEY ARE PROPOSING GRASS PAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT A CAR WILL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE.
AND, UH, I THINK OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THEY RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENOVATIONS, BUT ALSO TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT, A TWO CAR CARPORT OFF OF THE ALLEY.
AND SO, UM, THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T IMPOSE A BURDEN OF FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE THIS THIRD PARKING SPACE IN THE FRONT YARD OF THIS HOUSE.
SO, UM, I, UM, I WANTED TO, UH, ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THERE'S ALSO OTHER INSTANCES OF DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THE FRONT STREET IN, IN THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IN THOSE CASES, THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE EITHER HISTORIC OR THE LOTS ARE WIDE ENOUGH THAT A CAR TYPICALLY WOULD SLIDE BY THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND BE ABLE TO FULLY PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, NOT IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, I APPEAL TO YOU TO ASK YOU TO, TO DENY THIS REQUEST.
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PETITION IS IN THE FOLDER.I'LL JUST NOTE THAT PETITION THAT WAS REFERENCED AS IN YOUR FOLDER MARKED LETTERS.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CONSENT ITEMS. GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO THE CASES.
WELL, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANY COMMISSIONERS
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, THEY COULD INDICATE THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER FOUR FOR REVIEW.COREY, CAN YOU GIMME JUST A MOMENT? I'LL REVIEW NUMBER ONE REAL QUICK.
SO WE, WE WILL MARK NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND FOUR.
AND SO THEN A MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE REMAINDERS, WHICH WOULD BE ITEM THREE AND FIVE.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVIEW? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FIVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 20 BURNETT AND SEVEN 11 MATAGORDA, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DON'T NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, I'LL, UH, PULL UP THE CASE FILE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS 1232.
VIRGINIA, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE, UH, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE ONLINE.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, STAFF CAN ANSWER THOSE, OR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, WE COULD POSTPONE UNTIL A FUTURE DATE.
CAN WE JUST REVIEW IT BRIEFLY? UH, YES, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE PHOTOS ON MINE.
I I HAVE 'EM ON THE LARGE SCREEN OR IT SHOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE MONITOR.
UM, IS THERE A SPECIFIC PHOTO? I WAS LOOKING AT THE FENCING, MR. HALL, UNDER, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
IT DOES SAY THE STANDARD LANGUAGE ABOUT NOT INSTALLING A A, AN AUTOMOBILE GATE UNLESS IT'S, UH, FLUSHED WITH THE, UH, FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, WAS THAT A REQUEST OR WAS THAT JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE BEING USED? UH, GENERALLY STANDARD LANGUAGE.
UH, IN CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, HE NOTED THAT HE DID NOT PLAN TO INSTALL A DRIVEWAY GATE AND THAT HIS PRIMARY OBJECTIVE WAS TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPED AREA.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ONE? OKAY, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I NEEDED.DO WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ONE? YES.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND CURRENT MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, CASE ONE ON VIRGINIA 1232 AS RECOMMENDED.
AND NOW I WILL PULL UP THE CASE FILE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 5 0 7 FUR, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND THE, UH, CONTRACTOR HERE IN PERSON.
UH, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UH, MATERIAL THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED.
UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT, UH, THERE IS ALSO A SAMPLE OF THE MATERIAL THAT'S HERE IN PERSON.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO VIEW THAT, JUST TO HELP FACILITATE CONVERSATION.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN AN ITEM IS RETURNING, UH, WITH A DRC RECOMMENDATION, WE ASK THAT ANY, UM, COMMISSIONERS THAT ATTENDED THAT SITE VISIT KIND OF GIVE A REPORT OUT.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE, I THINK WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SO WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE? SO I'M, I GUESS I'M GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER GARCIA TO PLEASE GIVE US A REPORT OF THE SITE VISIT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE REPORTING ON OTHER THAN I ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MY OPINION OR THAT WE DID, I DID MEET ON SITE WITH, UH, THE CONTRACTOR AND ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER, AND WE DID LOOK AT THE PANEL.
UM, AND I THINK YOU SAID THE PANEL'S HERE SOMEWHERE? YES.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE YOUR OPINION BUT YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO, BUT THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE I'M THAN HAPPY TO GIVE MY OPINION.
UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IS THE, CAN I SEE WHAT THE, IS IT THE SAME PANEL FROM THE OTHER DAY? YEAH.
AND THEN MA'AM, IF YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU USE THE MICROPHONE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO IN LOOKING AT THE SAMPLE, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD ABOUT HOW WELL THE PROFILE MIGHT ACTUALLY IMITATE THE ORIGINAL CLAY TILE, UM, WAS AS I FEARED, IT'S, IT'S VERY FLAT.
UM, AND WITH ONLY ONE PANEL, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT THE PROFILE IS WHEN THESE PANELS OVERLAP EACH OTHER TO IMITATE THAT IDEA OF THE CLAY TILES AND THE PATTERN THAT THEY HAVE IF THEY'RE ORIGINAL.
IT DIDN'T MATTER ON THE COLOR.
SO YOU COULD EVEN IF YOU NEED A LITTLE FLAT YEAH, MA'AM.
WE'LL, WE'LL HELP HOLD IT UP IF YOU WANNA USE THE MICROPHONE.
WE COULD EITHER HAVE IT FLAT OR WE CAN EITHER USE BATS AND THEN IT WOULD LOOK HIGHER LIKE IT DOES RIGHT THERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS, I HAVE TO SAY, BUT OVERALL, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD SUBSTITUTE FOR THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
UM, AND THEREFORE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UM,
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APPROVE THIS.COREY, CAN I GO LOOK AT THE MATERIALS AND PER, I MEAN, PHYSICALLY GO UP TO IT.
YEAH, JUST TO MAKE SURE IF YOU DO HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU GET THEM INTO THE MICROPHONE.
IT'S FIBERGLASS, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT STILL OKAY.
WITH THE FIBERGLASS COVER, IT'S FILLED AND IT'S COATED.
COREY, CAN I STILL ADD SOMETHING TO MY STATEMENT? YEAH, OF COURSE.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES, AT LEAST IN THAT AREA OF THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE MEDIA CONTEXT AND THEY DO HAVE CLAY TILE ROOFS, THE ORIGINAL ONES, OR IF THEY WERE REPLACED, YOU CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THEY ARE CLAY TILES.
AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, AESTHETICS ASIDE WOULD BE THAT IF THE PERSON ACROSS THE STREET WERE TO WANT TO REPLACE HIS OR HER ROOF WITH METAL, THAT'S THIS STARTS TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT, UM, I JUST HAVE CONCERN ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, THAT PERSON ACROSS THE STREET WAS ABLE TO DO IT, WHY CAN'T I? AND THAT, UH, IS PROBABLY THE REAL STICKING POINT FOR ME.
I, I, I CONCUR AND, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S REALLY TOUGH FOR OUR PARTICULAR GROUP BECAUSE WE'RE SO NEW AND WE HEAR THAT ARGUMENT OFTEN.
WELL, THERE ARE OTHER ONES DOWN THE STREET, THERE ARE OTHER ONES UP THE BLOCK.
AND I, I THINK IT MAKES IT HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW.
WELL, ANYWAY, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, COULD, COULD STAFF REMIND US, UH, WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS FOR THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR THAT HAD TO, UH, PUT CLAY TILE BACK ON THEIR ROOF? I, I COULD, I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND DO RESEARCH.
UH, THE LAST TIME WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLAY TILE AND THIS SUBSTITUTE, DID, DID YOU COME UP WITH WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN PRICE OR RESEARCH, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE CLAY TILE? NO, WE TURNED IT INTO THE WAREHOUSE.
WE GAVE THEM THE EAGLE VIEW SO THEY COULD FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING.
SO THERE'S NOT A, WE DON'T KNOW THE COST FOR THE PLAYOUT? NO, BUT IT IS HIGHER COST FOR THIS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE, I'M NOT ONE OF THE ADVISORS, BUT, UH, IT'S LIKE IN BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN WHAT? IN BETWEEN THE METAL, THE STAINLESS, UH, STIMULUS AND, UH, THE TILE.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN HE'LL HAVE THE ANSWER ABOUT HOW MUCH THE CLAY TILE, LIKE WHAT THAT WE WERE CHECKING YESTERDAY SO WE COULD FIND OUT? PROBABLY TODAY.
I CAN PROBABLY CALL THE OFFICE AND SEE IF THEY ALREADY GOT IT.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I HAVE A COMMENT.
MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM? THANK YOU.
UM, I WAS QUOTED WHEN I SPOKE TO THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, 20,000 FOR THIS MATERIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BUT YOU WEREN'T QUOTED FOR THE CLAY TILE, SO YOU HAVE THE PRICE FOR THIS, BUT NOT THE CLAY TILE.
I, I LOOKED INTO THE CLAY TILE, UH, AND IT WAS GONNA RUN OVER 40,000.
BUT YOU ARE IN THE MONTICELLO HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I AM JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I KNOW WE'RE MAKING EXCEPTIONS ON A LOT OF THE, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT, BUT BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH SOME OF THIS MATERIAL, MY CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT IT'S TOO PLIABLE.
YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT COMPRESSED WOOD TO SUPPORT THIS.
YOU ARE TAKING THE INTEGRITY OF THE HIS OF THE HISTORICAL.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE MAKING TOO MANY EXCEPTIONS FOR THIS.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YEARS AND YEARS, AND I'M LOOKING AT MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S PRICING, BUT
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THEY'RE ALSO INCREASING THE PRICE AND THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.BUT YOU'RE CUTTING BACK ON THE MATERIALS THAT MAKES IT AUTHENTIC AND THAT IS ONE OF THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS IN BEING IN THAT DISTRICT.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO TAKE, MY CONCERN IS JUST WHAT'S BEING SUPPORTED AND I'M, I KNOW THAT I'M NOT A TECHNICAL ENGINEER, BUT MY CONCERN IS FOR THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE HISTORICAL ZONE.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, CLARIFICATIONS? I THINK THE PRICE IS A MAJOR CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND THE PRICE DIFFERENCE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL AND WHENEVER YOU MOVE IN THOSE TYPE OF DISTRICTS, YOU GO IN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT HISTORICAL MEANS AUTHENTICITY AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT BE ABLE TO SEARCH TO, FOR THOSE PRODUCTS, NOT FOR US TO SUBSTITUTE OUR HISTORY.
AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THAT'S WHERE MY CONFLICT REALLY COMES FROM BECAUSE I WOULD AGREE, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE MATERIAL AND BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE, UM, THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A WEALTH OF MONEY EXPENDED.
AND THAT HAS MY, UH, THE OWNER HAS MY SYMPATHY IN REGARD TO THE SITUATION.
UM, BUT THAT ASIDE, IF THIS HAD GONE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS TO BEGIN WITH, THEN I'M NOT SURE COST WOULD'VE BEEN AS BIG AN ISSUE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.
I HAD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR DENIAL OF STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR 5 0 7 FOR, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 5 0 7 FUR.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE GO BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF.
UH, HIS CASE NUMBER FOUR ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA.
UM, 2 0 2 5 0 6 5 2 0 5 EAST RE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, INSTALL A 12 FOOT WIDE APPROACH AND 10 FOOT WIDE PERMEABLE PAPER DRIVE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
NUMBER TWO, REPAIR EXISTING SIDEWALK STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 12 FOOT WIDE APPROACH AND A 10 FOOT WIDE PERMEABLE PERMEABLE PAVER DRIVE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND TO REPAIR EXISTING SIDEWALK.
UM, OUR APPLICANT BRUCE FORAY IS HERE, UM, IN PERSON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, JUST TO, UH, REHAB OR REVISIT THE, UH, PROJECT, UH, WE PURCHASED THIS, UH, PROPERTY BACK IN, UH, AUG AUGUST OF 2024.
AND AT THE TIME, THERE WAS LIKE NO PARKING AT, ON THE PROPERTY, UH, NO CURB OR FRONT PARKING, NO REALLY, UH, REAR PARKING.
SO IN, UH, SUBMITTING OUR DESIGNS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STAFF, WE HAD INITIALLY SUBMITTED A DESIGN TO HAVE REAR PARKING IN THE BACK.
HOWEVER, UH, I AFTERWARDS DROVE MY VEHICLE IN THERE AND HAD KIND OF LIKE AN AHA MOMENT, UH, THAT THIS ALLEY IS VERY NARROW, ABOUT 11 FEET WIDE, AND I FOUND IT VERY DIFFICULT, UH, TO PULL MY VEHICLE IN, WHICH I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES RIGHT NOW THAT SHOW THE WIDTH OF THE,
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UH, THE ALLEY AND THE DIFFICULTY NAVIGATING BACK THERE.I THINK IT'S BEST SUITED FOR SMALLER SEDANS TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH THE, UH, REAR APPROACH THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, TREES ARE OVERHANGING IN PART OF THE ALLEY, TAKING PART OF IT UP, WHICH MAKES IT, UH, DIFFICULT FOR, UH, I GUESS, UH, SUVS AND EVEN TRUCKS TO NAVIGATE IN THERE.
SO, UH, AS PART OF THE SOLUTION, UH, TO PROVIDE AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE, UH, FOR PARKING, UH, WHEN NEEDED, I SUBMITTED A, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, AND DESIGN TO THE STAFF.
UH, THESE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES.
IF WE COULD GO TO THE, UM, THERE WE GO.
THERE IS A PROPOSAL OF A, UM, OF A MOCKUP.
THIS IS KIND OF PHOTOSHOPPED RIGHT HERE OF WHAT THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, COULD LOOK LIKE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
UH, PARKING IS GONNA BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MOVE THE DRIVEWAY OVER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO REALLY IT ONLY TAKES UP A, A PORTION, UH, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE ON THE SIDE, UH, AND REALLY I FEEL HAS NO IMPACT ON THE TAKING AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER OR, UM, YEAH, THE CHARACTER OR CHARM OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF WE CAN GO TO THE OTHER, UH, DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'VE HAVE, IN MY OPINION, CLEARLY HAVE HAD, UH, RECENT, UH, PARKWAYS OR DRIVEWAYS INSTALLED ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THIS ONE'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM US RIGHT THERE.
YOU CAN TELL THAT LOOKS VERY RECENT AND NEW.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S, UH, THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE.
UH, THEY DON'T, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT UTILIZE IT, BUT THERE IS A DRIVEWAY RAMP THAT WAS INSTALLED THERE WITH ARTIFICIAL CARPET OR TURF ON THE FRONT LAWN.
UM, HERE'S ANOTHER ONE, UH, THAT HAS A GATE ON THE SIDE.
YEAH, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE.
SO I, I THINK THERE ARE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT THE NATHAN DISTRICT OF DRIVEWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN STALLED, ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HISTORIC, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PLOT THAT WAS, UH, BUILT BACK IN 19 20, 25, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND AS WE REVOLVED INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEW AND MODERN SOCIETY WHERE WE HAVE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES LIVING TOGETHER WITH LOTS OF CARS, UH, PARKING, MORE PEOPLE HAVE CARS IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD, UH, I THINK THERE'S A NEED AND AN OPTION AS A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO INCLUDE THIS ON OUR PROPERTY.
ANOTHER CONCERN IS THAT ON NATHAN, UH, AND, AND THE NATHAN DISTRICT AND RISHI IN PARTICULAR, UH, THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW THERE.
UH, THERE ALREADY IS A LOT OF LIKE, UH, CAR PARKING ALONG THE CURB, UH, AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.
THE, THE SIDEWALKS ARE NARROW.
IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON THE SIDEWALK.
I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED PEOPLE WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW, AS WE COULD SEE THERE, UH, MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
I'VE EVEN SEEN A MOTHERS AND BABY CARRIAGES WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE, UH, PARTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO ACTUALLY TAKING A CAR OFF THE STREET IS, UH, INCREASES, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND, UH, I THINK ENHANCES THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS, VERSUS DETRACTS FROM IT AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PRIOR CASE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I FEEL THAT WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT THAT WE'RE TAKING ON RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT GOOGLE MAP AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, SO THIS WAS A HOUSE THAT WE PURCHASED HERE, AND AS YOU COULD SEE THAT, UH, IT'S KIND OF IN A DILAPIDATED, UH, CONDITION ON THE INSIDE.
UH, THERE WAS AN ADDITION ON THE BACK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, UH, DIDN'T REALLY MEET CODE.
AND SO MY WIFE AND I ARE INVESTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, TO BRING BACK AS MUCH HISTORICAL CHARM AND CHARACTER AS WE CAN TO THE EXTERIOR.
UH, WE'VE ADDED, UH, ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO MAKE IT, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1,952 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE RESTORED THE PORCH TO PROBABLY ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER.
WE TRIED TO FIND A DOOR AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
THIS WAS APPROVED BY STAFF TO INSTALL ON THE FRONT TO KIND OF MATCH THE FOLK VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS WITH A HOME.
WE'RE REDOING THE TRANSOM AT THE TOP THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WAS IN, IN, IN BAD CONDITION.
AND SO REALLY, I MEAN, WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF VALUE TO, AND TAKING A LOT OF PRIDE IN, UH, TAKING ON THIS, UH, UH, DIFFICULT PROJECT, UH, TO BRING, YOU KNOW, UH, NEW HOME OWNERSHIP, UH, TO NATHAN.
AND ADDING A DRIVEWAY OVER TO THE SIDE COMPARED TO WHERE THIS PROPERTY WAS BEFORE IN THE PAST, I THINK HAS MINIMAL EFFECT, UH, ON
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THE OVERALL, UH, IMPACT OF, UH, WHAT IT'S GONNA ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THAT THE BOARD KEEP ALL THESE THINGS IN CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UH, CARS, UH, IN EACH HOUSEHOLD AND, AND IN THE BACK, THE BACK AT FIRST WAS THE, THE FIRST BEST ATTEMPT TO TRY TO PROVIDE PARKING.
SO I THINK THAT WE REALIZED THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY CHALLENGING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT PARKING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE, MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE BACK INTO THE BACKYARD, TAKING MORE OF THE BACKYARD AWAY.
WE'VE ALREADY EXTENDED THE BACKYARD WITH THE ADDITION OF A PORCH IN THE BACK.
SO, AND IT'S, I FEEL IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THAT DRIVEWAY, UH, DRIVEN IN THE ALLEY, YOU'LL FIND IT'S A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING, UH, DRIVE AND IT RISKS DAMAGING VEHICLES AND THEN ALSO NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES OF FENCES BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW BACK THERE.
SO I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERNS FROM A PETITION AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, UH, I'M OPEN TO, UH, ADDRESSING THAT RIGHT NOW.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO DO THAT.
UM, HOW, HOW DO WE, IS IS THIS NOW A GOOD TIME FOR THAT? OKAY, SO THERE WAS A PETITION, UM, INITIATED BY MR. PENA, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE, THE, THE BOARD SHOULD KEEP IN CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UH, AND ALSO LACK OF FULL DISCLOSURE WITH THIS PETITION THAT HE DISTRIBUTED.
YES, IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I FEEL IN THIS LETTER THAT HE DISTRIBUTED THAT HE SHOULD HAVE LIKE, NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORS THAT HE SOLD ME THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS, UH, WHO HAD SIGNED THIS PETITION, THEY TELL ME THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS.
SECONDLY, I FEEL THAT IF MR. PENA WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A DRIVEWAY IN THIS PROPERTY, THAT HE SHOULD HAVE DISCLOSED THAT TO ME BEFORE I PURCHASED A PROPERTY.
SECONDLY, I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE, HE COULD HAVE PUT IT INTO A, UH, INTO A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT NO DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT COULD BE, UH, COULD BE INSTALLED.
SO NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION HERE TRYING TO ASK THE BOARD TO PROVIDE ME AS THE PROPERTY OWNER THE MOST, UH, PARKING OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THIS HOUSE.
AND ALSO I THINK IT KIND OF PUTS ME IN A BAD SITUATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING THESE, UH, PETITIONS WITHOUT HIM FULLY DISCLOSING THAT HE HAD SOLD ME THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, UH, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
I'M NOT CLEAR OF HIS, UH, OF HIS MOTIVES FOR DOING THAT SINCE, YOU KNOW, HE ENJOYED, UH, THE PROCEEDS, UH, FROM THE SALE.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH HIS PETITION, UM, REQUEST, UH, ADDRESSING, UH, THOSE, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.
I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE, WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY FROM ANY OF THE HISTORIC FEATURES THAT WERE ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE ADDING TO THAT WITH OUR RE WHERE THE REHABILITATION HERE AND ADDING THIS, UH, DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT IS NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY, UH, FROM ANYTHING THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING TO THAT.
UH, AND ALSO I FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS MORE OF A LANDSCAPING, UH, SITUATION THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT WE SUBMIT TO THE, UH, STAFF FOR, UH, APPROVAL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY STATE THAT DENYING THE FRONT YARD PARKING WILL NOT BE A BURDEN ON THIS PROPERTY, AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT IF, IF THEY, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THEY THEMSELVES HAVE DRIVEN THE IN THE ALLEYWAY, AND IF THEY HAVE, MAYBE THEY COULD UNDERSTAND MY POINT OF VIEW AS TO WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL PARKING OPTION IN THE BACK.
AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT IS A BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I FEEL THAT THERE IS PRECEDENT HERE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE'S LIKE A RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, MR. PENA HIMSELF ENJOYS A, A NICE WIDE DRIVEWAY WITH A CARPORT THAT I DON'T THINK MEETS HISTORICAL STANDARDS AND A GATE IN THE FRONT.
SO WHY SHOULD I BE DENIED THE SAME PRIVILEGE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN MY FRONT LAWN AS HE AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, DO AS WELL.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND POINT OF VIEW.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, LISTENING TO, UH, TO MY CASE.
AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR REPRESENTATION FOR HIS PROPERTY? THANK YOU, SIR.
YOU'LL HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE.
DID WE HAVE EVERYONE THAT SPOKE IN, IN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS PROPERTY? YES.
AND THE WERE, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE SUBMISSIONS THAT WE OVERLOOKED.
PETITION SHOULD BE IN YOUR LETTERS FOLDER ON THE DESKTOP.
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COULD STAFF, UH, OFFER ANY CLARIFICATION ON, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CONFLICT IN THE, IN THE BACKSTORY WHETHER OR NOT THERE, THERE WAS AT SOME POINT A DRIVEWAY THERE.I DON'T SEE A CURB CUT CURRENTLY, BUT MAYBE IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE SANBORNS DON'T INDICATE ANY SORT OF FLAT WORK.
UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE MY OPINION THAT THERE WAS LIKELY NOT A FRONT DRIVE BECAUSE OF THAT ALLEY ACCESS AND THE, UM, THE EXPANSION OF THE HOUSE FROM LOT LINE TO LOT LINE STATE THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY, UH, THE SANBORNS DON'T INDICATE FLAT WORK.
UM, SO YOU WON'T SEE A DRIVEWAY ON THE SANDBORN THAT WE HAD.
UM, HOWEVER, MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THERE WAS NOT A FRONT DRIVE THERE, UM, DUE TO THE LACK OF THE CURB CUT AND THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE EXPANDS FROM, UM, ONE, ONE SIDE OF THE LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT.
YEAH, AND I'LL JUST ADD THE OLDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LESS LIKELY IT HAD DRIVEWAYS AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, KING WILLIAM LE BACCA, VERY OFTEN YOU SEE SORT OF HODGEPODGE DRIVEWAY DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ADDED.
UM, SOME HOUSES HAVE ALLEY ACCESS, SOME DON'T.
UM, AND SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A MIXTURE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DRIVEWAYS HAVE BEEN ADDED AND SORT OF AN INCONSISTENT PATTERN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE MONTE VISTA OR MONTICELLO PARK, SOME OF THESE MORE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DEVELOPED IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES.
THEY HAVE A PRETTY, UM, CONSISTENT DRIVEWAY PATTERN.
AND SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS IS WHY WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A REASONABLE SOLUTION.
UM, THE GUIDELINES DO SAY DO NOT INTRODUCE CURB CUTS WHERE THEY WERE NOT HISTORICALLY.
UM, BUT HOWEVER YOU DO SEE THAT THERE IS SORT OF A MIXTURE OF, OF, UM, CONDITIONS, UM, WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S PROPOSED DOES MEET GUIDELINES.
UM, WHEN KIND OF DRIVING THE ALLEYWAY IN GOOGLE, UH, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY OTHER DRIVEWAYS, UH, IN, IN THE ALLEY.
UM, AND WE DO FEEL AS THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED, UM, THE DIFFICULTY THAT IS FITTING A MODERN CAR THROUGH THIS ALLEYWAY.
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT BACK THE, UM, THE STREET VIEW PLEASE? THE FENCE IS NO LONGER THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
LET ME PULL UP THE, UM, SUBMITTED IMAGE FROM THE APPLICANT.
CAITLIN, THIS DRIVEWAY, IT'S, IT, THE GRASS ACTUALLY IS GONNA GO THROUGH IT, RIGHT? IT'S GROWING THROUGH IT.
ANY COMMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS? I'LL START WITH MY RIGHT.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SIR, COULD YOU COME BACK UP THERE? YES MA'AM.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE STILL LOOKING AT HAVING AN ANOTHER PARKING SPACE COMING IN FROM THE ALLEY OR WERE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT? WELL, I THINK, I THINK YES.
SO WE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT DOING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT DUE TO THE NARROW CONFINES OF THE ALLEYWAY AND HOW MUCH YOU NEED TO MOVE THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE IN IT'S BEST SUITED FOR SMALLER TYPE OF SEDANS, NOT FOR SUV TRUCK TYPE VEHICLES, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY A LOT OF PEOPLE OWN THESE DAYS.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION, NOT LIMIT, UH, WHAT PARKING OPTIONS COULD BE AVAILABLE IF A LARGER SOMEONE HAS MYSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE HAS A LARGER VEHICLE TO NAVIGATE THAT TIGHT SPACE IN THE BACK.
UH, ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL, SIR.
UM, DO YOU, DID YOU BRING ANY PHOTOS THAT SHOW KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE ALLEY LOOKS LIKE WITH THE CAR IN THERE? I KNOW THAT THE, THE VEHICLE, IT SHOWS IT LIKE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE HOW MUCH ROOM IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A A, THAT'S LIKE AN ANGLE OR A TURN.
I SUBMITTED SOME OTHER PHOTOS THAT WOULD BE LIKE, AND THAT'S ONE PART OF THE, UH, ALLEY THAT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS BECAUSE OF THE TREES AND THINGS OF THE NATURE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY COMING IN OFF GUNTHER STREET.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO LIKE, UH, REALLY ACCESS THE REAR PARKING, UH, FROM UH, NATHAN STREET OR DANIEL STREET, I BELIEVE IT IS.
YEAH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, UH, I, YEAH, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PARKING AS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE, WHERE THE PROPOSED REAR DRIVER WOULD BE.
THIS IS LIKE THE TURN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE.
THIS IS HOW MUCH ROOM YOU HAVE TO MAKE A TURN WITH THE, ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 11 TO 11 AND A HALF FOOT, UH, WIDE ALLEYWAY THERE.
SO AGAIN, FOR LARGER VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, IT IS A, UH, IT IS A COMPLICATED SITUATION OR A TRICKY
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SITUATION.AND NOT ONLY THAT, JUST NOT ONLY NAVIGATING INTO THE PARKING SPACE, UH, DRIVING OUT OF THE ALLEYWAY IS, UH, IS, IS NARROW FOR LARGER VEHICLES AS WELL.
AND SO FOR SMALLER VEHICLES, DOES IT WORK FINE OR I, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I HAVEN'T TESTED THAT, BUT I CAN ONLY, UH, REPORT TO YOU THE RESULTS THAT I HAVE WITH MY PERSONAL VEHICLE RIGHT THERE.
SO, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, THE PHOTOS YOU SUBMITTED ALL SHOW DRIVEWAYS OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT WOULD BE LIKE RIGHT IN BECAUSE YOUR DRIVEWAY AS PROPOSED GOES KIND OF LIKE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PORCH VIEW, RIGHT? WELL UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE, UH, THE LOCK CONFIGURATION, UH, IN WHICH I INHERITED IN BUYING THE PROPERTY, THIS, THIS IS IT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH HERE.
AND SO, UH, THERE'S NOT AN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT AN OPTIMAL SOLUTION AS NOTED LIKE IN OTHER MORE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY, WHERE MAYBE WERE DESIGNED IN ADVANCE WITH PARKING OFF TO THE SIDE OR SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT NATHAN MAYBE WERE BIG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PUT A SINGLE DRIVE OFF TO THE SIDE.
MY PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CONCESSION HERE TO BALANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, UH, PARKING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT I JUST MEAN, HAVE YOU, IS THERE ANOTHER OPPOR, IS THERE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY IN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT PARKS THAT WOULD PARK THE CAR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOME OR, 'CAUSE ALL OF YOUR EXAMPLES THAT I HAVE, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, SHOW IT OFF TO THE SIDE AND SO I I'M I'M JUST ASKING OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOURS AS SHOWN RIGHT, IS GONNA BLOCK KIND OF THAT PORCH VIEW OF THE HOUSE AND HAVE A CAR PULLED UP TO BASICALLY THE PORCH.
AND SO I'M ASKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT OR IF LIKE YOUR EXAMPLES THAT I'VE SEEN ARE TO THE SIDE, OH, THERE ATTORNEY EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE STATING? YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T CANVASSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO, TO SEE THAT.
UH, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING IS CHALLENGING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE COULD BE ANOTHER HOME THAT'S THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW I CAN'T PROVIDE YOU WITH A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THAT.
WHY FRONT, JUST A MOMENT, SIR.
YEAH, YOU'RE SPEAKING OUTTA TERM.
YEAH, THIS IS MY CONTRACTOR GU SPOT RIVERA.
YEAH, BUT I APPRECIATE IS UH, YOU, SIR, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE MIC, YOUR CONTRACTOR? THERE'S ONE AND THE MIC.
MY NAME IS, YES, I'M THE CONTRACTOR AND I'M SORRY, BUT THERE'S, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S ONE RIGHT IN FRONT.
IF YOU TURN THAT AROUND, THAT ONE, THE, THE GRAY ONE OVER THERE HAS, THAT'S THE ONE THAT, THE DRIVEWAY IS WHERE THAT CAR IS.
YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT AND IT WAS SHOWN BEFORE THE ONE WITH THE ASTROTURF.
YES, THERE IS THE CURB RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK, SIR, WHAT I THINK WE'RE SAYING THOUGH IS, IS ALL OF THOSE, THE ONES THAT ARE GIVEN IT, PROVIDED AS EXAMPLES, THEY ALL RUN EXACTLY PARALLEL TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE STILL IN FRONT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE RUNNING PARALLEL, WHEREAS THE ONE THAT IS PROPOSED RUNS RIGHT UP TO THE WINDOW.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD.
I, AM I CORRECT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO 'CAUSE I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION THAT'S IN FRONT, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
SO YOU'RE WANTING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
IS IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE HOME WITH NO GAP? RIGHT? WELL, WELL, EITHER, EITHER WAY, RIGHT? LIKE THIS PHOTO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THIS PHOTO SHOWS IT GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PORCH.
AND SO IT WOULD IN EFFECT BLOCK LIKE THAT PORCH VIEW LOOKING OUT, RIGHT? YOU'D BE LOOKING AT LIKE THE FRONT OF SOMEONE'S CAR.
UM, WHEREAS THE EXAMPLES MINUS THE ASTROTURF ONE, I, I GET THAT, BUT I, I ALSO DON'T SEE ANYONE PARKING ON IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE IT'S THERE FOR IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, WHEREAS THE REST OF THE EXAMPLES ALL SHOW THE DRIVEWAY GOING ALONGSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF THE ACTUAL FACADE, IT'S ALONG THE SIDE OR LIKE EVEN THIS ONE, RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULDN'T GET ANY MORE ROOM.
AND SO IT MIGHT NOT BE FUNCTIONAL EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, IN AN EMERGENCY, BUT UH, IS STILL TO THE SIDE.
AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, WERE THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF A DRIVEWAY LIKE THE ONE HE'S PROPOSING VERSUS THE EXAMPLES HE'S SHOWING THAT ARE NOT THE SAME? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I MISSPOKE ABOUT THE WINDOW, BUT YES, RIGHT UP TO THE PORCH.
YEAH, SO I WAS ASKING THE SAME THING.
THE OTHER EXAMPLES, THEY RUN PARALLEL TO THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THIS ONE IS PROPOSED TO BE IN FRONT OF, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THE ISSUE IS, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE NATURE OF THE LOT THAT I PURCHASED.
IT JUST DOESN'T, UH, ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
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IS, YOU KNOW, PROHIBITIVE FOR, UH, MANY TYPES OF VEHICLES.SO THIS IS LIKE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION.
AND I, I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST SUBMIT THAT THIS WAS JUST AN IN INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT TO THE STAFF.
UH, THERE COULD BE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS NOT TO TAKE THE, UH, NOT TO TAKE THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE PORCH.
I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.
WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, PROVIDE ENOUGH, UH, APPROACH TO WHERE, UH, A VEHICLE CLEARS, UH, THE SIDEWALK AND WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT AND HAVE A MORE GREEN AND GRASS, UH, SPACE AREA THAT SEPARATES THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE PORCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TO MY LEFT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND THIS MIGHT BE A, SO THE SIDE SETBACK HERE, I MEAN, HOW FAR OVER TOWARD THE ADJACENT FENCE LINE ON THE RIGHT OF THE PICTURE CAN OF KINDA AN APPROACH IN A DRIVEWAY GO? OR IS THERE A SIDE SETBACK REQUIREMENT? THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A POLE THAT IS PREVENTING IT FROM BEING LIKE ALL THE WAY OVER CPS POLE, BUT IT COULD TURN A LITTLE BIT AND GO CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THAT.
YEAH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE WIDTH BETWEEN THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE AND THE HOUSE ALLOWS FOR A VEHICLE TO FIT ALL THE WAY ON THE SIDE.
I HAVE THE, THE SCHEMATICS SHOW.
IT SAYS IT'S 30 FEET AS PROPOSED.
I DON'T, THERE'S IN THAT LATE FOLDER THERE'S A OHP SIDEWALK, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT, BUT I THINK THIS WAS AN EARLIER DRAWING.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE DECIDED TO MAKE IT THE PERMEABLE PAVERS VERSUS THE CONCRETE RIBBONS.
IS THAT RIGHT? CAITLIN? UH, PERMEABLE, PERMEABLE PAVERS ARE THE PREFERENCE.
UM, BUT HE WAS ALLUDING TO, UM, POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE THE RIBBON DRIVE THAT HE ALSO SHOWED.
ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS? UH, MADAM CHAIR, GO AHEAD.
UH, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME, UH, RESOURCES ONLINE, UM, ON, UH, THE OHB WEBSITE ON THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, ONE OF OUR SMALLER DISTRICTS, ABOUT 68 PROPERTIES, UM, WHICH HELPS TO DEFINE THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, WE'RE PRESERVING NOT JUST, NOT JUST THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES, BUT PIECES OF THE URBAN FABRIC AND THE MATERIAL AND THE URBAN GRID AROUND IT.
AND I'LL, I'LL ADD THAT THE, UH, PRESENTATION POINTS OUT THAT THIS WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INCLUDED ONE OF THE AS MADRES, UH, FROM THE SPANISH ERA, BUT THEN LATER IT WAS SUBDIVIDED, UH, UH, AFTER THE ARRIVAL OF THE RAILROADS IN 1880S, UH, TO, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE BOOM FROM THAT AND THEN LATER FROM THE, UH, AUTOMOBILE.
SO THE, THE FABRIC ITSELF SEEMS TO BE TELLING US A STORY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, I THINK THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN DATED NINETEEN HUNDRED AND NINETEEN OH FOUR.
SO WE'RE SEEING A HOUSE BUILT, UH, PRE AUTOMOBILE EFFECTIVELY IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GROWS AND ADAPTS AROUND THE AUTOMOBILE AS WE SEE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, SIDE DRIVEWAYS.
AND I'M WONDERING HOW WE HELP TO TELL THAT STORY, UM, THROUGH OUR WORK HERE IN THE, UH, IN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE, THE LANDSCAPE AS WELL AS THE BUILDINGS FROM A FUNCTIONALITY POINT OF VIEW.
I'M ALSO JUST THINKING BY ADDING THE CURB CUT, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TAKING ANOTHER PARKING SPOT, UH, FROM ON STREETE PARKING.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, ADDING PARKING.
IT'S SORT OF A ONE FOR ONE, UH, ZERO SUM GAME HERE.
UM, I, I, I CERTAINLY, UH, DEEPLY RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT, UH, AND THE WORK THAT HE AND HIS WIFE HAVE DONE ON PRESERVING THIS HOUSE IN THE PRE, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SHOWN IN PART OF IT, UM, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE OF FOLK VICTORIAN.
UM, SO IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND BEING ONE OUT OF 68, IT MAKES IT THAT THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.
AND I CERTAINLY, UH, UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS WITH PARKING, UH, FROM THE, THE ALLEYWAY THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THAT ACTUALLY DOES TELL SOME OF THE STORY OF THE DISTRICT THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT DESIGNED AROUND AN AUTOMOBILE LIKE IN, IN SAY POST 1940S, 1950S, SAN ANTONIO, UM, THAT IN ITSELF IS TELLING US A STORY AND IT, IT, IT DOES THAT INCONVENIENCE TO US TODAY.
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OUR EFFORT HERE IN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TO HELP TELL HOW SAN ANTONIO HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME.AND I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE I, I, I HEAR THE APPLICANT'S POINT AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE MANY OF THEM ARE HISTORIC IN NATURE.
SOME OF THOSE HOUSES MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT WITH THE DRIVEWAYS.
SO THEY TELL US THE EVOLVING NATURE OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WHILE THIS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE 50% RULE ON LANDSCAPING, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PERVIOUS PAVING.
UM, I, UM, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK, PARDON COREY ARE, WE WOULD, HOW DOES, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THEIR POINT OF TIME TO SPEAK.
THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR TO RECOGNIZE ANYBODY.
OKAY, LET ME FINISH WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? I HESITATE TO CALL YOU UP HERE 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION FOR IT, SIR, YOU WERE ALLOTTED YOUR TIME AND I UNDERSTAND THE CLARIFICATION.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS I HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HAS BROUGHT UP AND POINT WELL MADE.
MY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS WHAT YOU HAVE ADAPTED, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY AND PARTICULARLY I HADN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU ALLUDED TO, WHICH THEN MAKES IT ALSO A MORE DIFFICULT DECISION.
HOWEVER, WITH THE EVOLVING AND SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.
I MEAN, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE EVERY EFFORT AND I LOVE WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO IT.
I JUST, I'M ASKING FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE OMITTED THAT WEREN'T DISCLOSED TO 'EM AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU ARE NOT CALLED ON.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE TO, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PAPERWORK WHERE IT WAS DISCLOSED.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THOSE SIGNATURES? I WAS LOOKING FOR THE, FOR THE PETITION.
DID I OVERLOOK IT? IF YOU GO TO DESKTOP, OKAY, LEMME LOOK.
I, I THINK MY ONLY ADVICE WOULD BE, UM, NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE WHO SAID WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH POLICY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN, UH, A MOTION.
UH, THE SECOND PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARDING THE SIDEWALK, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT.
ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY WITH ANY ISSUES ON THAT? UM, I'LL CLARIFY THAT AS NORMALLY SOMETHING THAT IS HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT THIS WAS SORT OF TIED TOGETHER SO THAT'S WHY IT'S INCLUDED AS AN ITEM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO CONCERN WITH THAT.
CAN I STILL MAKE A COMMENT? YES, PLEASE.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE LETTERS, UM, I'D ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU'D BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF STILL HAVING A PARKING SPACE IN THE BACK AND ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE HAD PLANS APPROVED FOR A TWO CAR CARPORT ACCESSED, ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY.
SO, UM, AND THEN IT SAYS DENYING THE FRONT YARD PARKING WILL NOT BE A BURDEN ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK EVEN IF THE, THE COMMENT IS THAT, UM, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK ON YOUR PROPERTY IF THE ONLY DIFFICULTY IS THAT YOU CAN'T PARK AN SUV BACK THERE, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA PUT TWO CARS, TWO CAR PARKING SPACES BACK THERE.
I DON'T, TO ME IT KIND KINDS OF, I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW.
MAKES IT KIND OF MOOT FOR ME BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONER, FELLOW COMMISSIONER THAT UH, THE FABRIC OF THIS LITTLE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS QUITE HISTORIC FROM THE STANDPOINT OF NOT HAVING DRIVEWAYS IN THE FRONT AND YOU'VE COME UP WITH YOUR OWN SOLUTION BY HAVING A TWO CAR CARPORT IN THE BACK, MAYBE NOT FOR AN SUV, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EVOLUTION OF CARS, THEN WE COULD ALSO SAY THAT CARS ARE GETTING SMALLER.
SO GOING BACK TO WHAT CORY SAYS AND WHAT
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WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE INSTALLATION OF A 12 FOOT WIDE APPROACH WITH A 10 FOOT WIDE PER PAVER DRIVE.BUT THEN THE, WE ARE, THERE'S NO CONCERNS WITH THE SIDEWALK.
SO I UNDERSTAND ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS AND I I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH CORY, WE CAN'T GET LOST IN THE FACT THAT OPINIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND, AND I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
SO AT, AT THIS MOMENT I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR DO WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS? IF THERE ARE NONE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION PLEASE.
OR IS THERE A CONCERN? MADAM CHAIR? I, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO DENY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH SIX FIVE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, WOULD THE SIDEWALK STILL NEED REPAIR WORK EVEN IF, UH, WE WOULD JUST DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE SIDEWALK? THERE'S CURRENTLY A MOTION TO DENY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2 0 5 EAST, RICH, RICH, IS THAT CORRECT? AND A SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE, UH, WORK WITH THE STAFF.
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CONSIDERATION, PLEASE.IS THIS ITEM SEVEN? NO, EXCUSE ME.
ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 6 7 1 24 MAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, NUMBER ONE, REMOVE EXISTING LANDSCAPE IN REAR YARD AND REPLACE WITH GRAVEL.
NUMBER TWO, REMOVE EXISTING FRONT YARD, WALKWAY AND CONCRETE PARKING PAD.
AND NUMBER THREE, REPLACE ENTIRETY OF FRONT YARD WITH CRUSHED GRANITE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS REPLACEMENT OF THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS WITH GRAVEL BASED ON FINDING E TWO STAFF.
DOES NOT RECOMMEND REV REMOVAL OF THE SIDEWALK AND FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD REINSTALL THE WALKWAY TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY DEMOLISHED WALKWAY AND LOCATION.
DIMENSION AND MATERIAL BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INSTALLATION OF CRUSHED GRANITE IN THE FRONT YARD WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF CRUSHED GRANITE TO 50% OR LESS OF FRONT YARD COVERAGE AND INCORPORATE NATIVE PLANTINGS AND OR TURF FOR REMAINDER OF COVERAGE BASED ON FINDING D.
UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE AND THE RECOMMENDATION REFLECTS THAT AND THERE IS A VOICEMAIL.
HELLO, THIS IS LOUIS FRANCOISE, CHAIRPERSON OF THE DIGNITY WITTY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE.
CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 6 7 1 24 MAY STREET.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT 50% OF THE FRONT YARD SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH NATIVE PLANTS AND GRASS, NOT TURF.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT FAKE TURF IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH O P'S GUIDELINES SINCE THE OTHER 50% OF THE FRONT YARD WILL ALREADY HAVE CRUSHED GRANITE.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS AGAINST CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CODE COMPLIANT TO PARK IN THE FRONT YARD OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT PLAN TO USE ANY OF THE FRONT YARD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHERE THE 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY WILL GO AS PARKING SPACE.
ALLISON SULTANI IS HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M THE OWNER OF 1 2 4 MAY IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I RECENTLY TOOK OVER MANAGING THE COMPLETION OF THE REMODEL AND UM, REPLACED SOME BROKEN CONCRETE, UM, IN THE FRONT OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE WITH, UM, CRUSHED GRANITE.
UM, AFTER, UM, BEING TOLD THAT I NEEDED TO PUT 50% UM, PLANTS IN, I WENT BACK AND HIRED A LANDSCAPER AND, UM, REPLACED AND PUT
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IN SOME, SOME PLANTS, SOME NATIVE TEXAS, UM, PLANTS.I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE CRUSHED GRANITE, UM, FRONT YARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATIONS, COULD, COULD STAFF REMIND US ON THE, THE PROCESS HERE IN TERMS OF THE NOTIFICATION TO OHP AND, AND HOW WE GOT TO THE STOP WORK ORDER AND HERE WE ARE.
SO THIS WAS A CITIZEN REPORT, UH, VIA EMAIL TO OUR REPORTS INBOX.
UM, STAFF CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO INQUIRE, UM, AND ARRANGED, UM, THE APPLICATION FOR A COA AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, RESPONDING TO THE VOICEMAIL, ARE YOU IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WHEN, UM, 50%, UM, IS EXPECTED 50% OF LANDSCAPING, THAT IT NOT BE ASTROTURF, THAT IT BE NATURAL, UH, PLANTS AND GRASS AND SUCH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER NATURAL IS THAT'S NOT, DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT? YES, MA'AM.
AND I HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY OVER IN, UH, THE RIVER ROAD DISTRICT AND UM, AFTER THIS I, I HIRED THE LANDSCAPER AND HE PUT IN 50%.
IS THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, CONCERNS, CLARIFICATIONS? AM I RIGHT? NONE.
SO THE, THE BACKYARD YOU HAVEN'T IS STILL GRASS.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO TURN THAT TO GRAVEL OR IT IS.
I SEE THIS LAST PHOTO IS A, IT, IT IS, IT'S UM, IT'S PEBBLES.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BACKYARD.
IT KIND OF THE DECKING, BUT BUTTS UP TO THE FENCE.
UM, SO I, I PUT THE, THE PEBBLES IN THE BACK.
IF YOU CAN HAVE, GIVE US A MOMENT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS, DISCUSSIONS? I'M, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, MA'AM, ARE, ARE YOU, UH, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS OR ARE YOU OPPOSED TO A PARTICULAR PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? I WAS HOPING, I, I THINK THE, MA'AM CAN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THANK YOU.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO PINPOINT, UH, SURE.
UM, I WAS, I, I THINK THE THING I NEED TO FIX IS TO PUT A, UM, SIDEWALK UP TO THE STRUCTURE AND I WAS HOPING TO JUST KEEP IT AS IS.
I'M SHARING A PICTURE OF WHAT THE STRUCTURE LOOKED LIKE.
UM, PRIOR TO THE RENOVATION, THE RECOMMENDATION IS WRITTEN TO RESTORE THE, UH, WALKWAY THAT WAS REMOVED.
UM, AS WELL AS INCORPORATING 50% NATIVE PLANT OR TURF GRASS COVERAGE.
THAT'S, I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT ON HERE.
I'M GOING, I DON'T SEE THE 50% ON HERE FOR AS FAR AS THE FIRST ONE.
AND SO THE, THE FRONT YARD IS MEANT TO BE ALL PARKING.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS, WOULD YOU JUST PUT, PUT A PLANTS IN THE KIND OF TOWARDS THE HOUSE AND LEAVE THE FRONT FOR PARKING? YES, THAT WAS THE PLAN.
I HAD SENT OVER SOME, UM, I'VE SINCE, UM, REPLACED THE MORE MODERN DOORS WITH HISTORICAL DOORS.
UM, SO I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THOSE PLANTS.
I'VE BEEN GOING OVER WATERING EVERY NIGHT HOPING, HOPING THEY'LL POP UP MORE.
AND UH, HOW, HOW MANY BEDROOMS? LIKE IS THIS AN AIRBNB OR IS THIS LIKE A UH, JUST A, JUST A LONG-TERM RENTAL?
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IT'S UM, IT'S A DUPLEX.IT'S A, A ONE BED, ONE AND A HALF BATH EACH ON EACH SIDE.
SO ONE BEDROOM'S ON EACH SIDE.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF PARKING IS THERE AROUND IT? NOTHING.
THE, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR IS FENCED OFF THEIR PROPERTY AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK.
IS IT STREET PARKING? STREET PARKING.
AND SO IS THERE NOT A CURB OR A SIDEWALK BY NO.
THE LOT SUFFERS FROM MUCH OF WHAT OUR PREVIOUS CASE DID.
UM, EVEN UM, REFERENCING THE ORIGINAL SANDBORN, THE, IT, IT WAS PLATTED VERY STRANGELY.
THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO BACKYARD HERE.
KAITLYN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE SEE WITH THE TRASH CANS IN THE RECYCLE BIN.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT PAVED? YES.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS A PREVIOUS, UM, POURED CONCRETE PAD AND THEN HERE IS THE, UM, EXISTING WALKWAY THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.
ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS, QUESTIONS? IS THERE A, UH, AN EASEMENT HERE THAT'S MISSING? I, IT, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS PHOTO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD DRIVEWAY AND THE OLD SIDEWALK JUST SORT OF TERMINATE, UH, MAYBE 10 TO 15, 10 TO 12 FEET FROM, UM, WHERE THE, THE ASPHALT IS.
AND IT'S, SINCE THERE'S NO CURB, IT'S SORT OF HARD TO, TO TELL, UH, PRIOR, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT PHOTO.
UM, I THINK THAT'S LIKE GOING BACK IN GOOGLE, THAT'S THE, THE PHOTO.
UM, THERE'S A, A, A, UH, THE FRONT WALK THAT TERMINATES ABOUT WHERE THE GREEN RECYCLE, UH, GREEN ORGANICS BIN IS.
AND I WAS JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING IN TERMS OF A, A PUBLIC EASEMENT THAT'S, UM, DEFINING WHERE THOSE TERMINATED ORIGINALLY.
I DUNNO, WERE YOU GOING BACK IN THOSE PHOTOS TO LIKE PREVIOUS PHOTOS WHERE IT LOOKED, IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE THAT USED TO EXTEND TO THE STREET.
YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THE PREVIOUS GOOGLE PHOTOS FROM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS?
I WANNA GO BACK TO THE QUESTION A MOMENT AGO.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ONE AND THREE BUT NOT NUMBER TWO? AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES.
IN DISCUSSING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S NOT, WHETHER, IT'S NOT IT'S APPROVAL OR UH, OR COMPLIANCE, IT'S WHAT'S IN REGULATIONS.
AND SO THE REGULATIONS ACCORDING TO THE STAFF IS THAT, UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT, OR WHATEVER THE WALKWAY WAS, IT'S GONE.
SO IT HAS TO BE REINSTALLED EVEN IN PREVIOUS PHOTOS IT'S THERE.
SO AT THIS POINT, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR RECOMME OR CONCERNS, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A VOTE PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR HDRC CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH SIX SEVEN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND ROLL CALL.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF SO WE CAN MEET RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND GET THAT IN COMPLIANCE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SO CLOSE PLEASE? YES, PLEASE.
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YOU CAN JUST ADJOURN THE MEETING.