* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, I JUST TURNED IT OFF. SORRY. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES STATEMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON, STEP BACK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSANTE AND I'M THE ZONING COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR DISTRICT FIVE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION. END THE SESSION. THE TIME IS 1 0 1. I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, MARCO BARROS. UH, DISTRICT NINE, ROB S SIPES. DISTRICT SEVEN, WORLDLY GONZALEZ, DISTRICT EIGHT. DANIEL KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WHITSETT, DISTRICT 10. TAYLOR WATSON, DISTRICT TWO. GEORGE. YOU KNOWSET. DISTRICT THREE. EDDIE REYES. DISTRICT FOUR. KEN HUE DISTRICT SIX. ALRIGHT. STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT? YES, THE QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. ALL. ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR HEARING, IF STAFF WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF IF YOU WOULD AND STAFF. WE'RE GONNA LIMIT COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU SIR. BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE SEE YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH PRESENTATION WITH A SHORT, WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED WHEN YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND MUST YIELD THEIR TIME. WHEN THE SPEAKER GOES TO THE PODIUM, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE, EXCUSE ME, WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. [Zoning Items  ] ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF. ARE THERE ANY WITHDRAWN OR PER POSTPONED OR POOLED ITEMS? WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND ITEM NUMBER NINE HAS BEEN POSTPONED. ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE ON HER MIND BOULEVARD OR ITEM NUMBER NINE ON SOUTH PARK BOULEVARD. YOU CAN GO OUT AND TRY TO AVOID THE RAIN, THE HAIL, THE TORNADOES, AND WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT BE HITTING US TODAY. UH, BUT THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THEY WILL BE RENO PRIOR TO COMING BACK TO THIS COMMISSION IF THEY COME BACK AT ALL. SO ENJOY THE REST OF THE DAY IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THOSE UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GET TO OUR COMBINED HEARING DOCKET NUMBER ONE, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CITYWIDE ITEM FOR THE BREATH AMENDMENT DOES HAVE ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. UH, DOES ANY COMMISSIONER WANT TO PULL THAT TO INDIVIDUAL LOOKING [00:05:01] LEFT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE, THAT ITEM WILL REMAIN ON CONSENT. STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ THE ITEMS CURRENTLY ON CONSENT. ITEMS ON CONSENT WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER 2, 8 10 14 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, AND 31. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANY COMMISSIONER WANT TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. IF WE COULD READ IN THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION AMENDING CHAPTER 35 OF THE UDC IN RESPONSE TO A COUNCIL. CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN, COURAGE ON BUILDING REGULATIONS, ENHANCING ANTI VAPING TRENDS AND HABITS BY CREATING MANDATORY SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR TOBACCO AND VAPE SHOPS NEAR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, DAYCARE CENTERS, AND INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING. 82 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A BATCHING PLANT WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 96 15 US HIGHWAY 180 1 NORTH 17 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR, UM, RECEPTION HALL AND, OR, I'M SORRY, PARTY HOUSE RECEPTION HALL AND MEETING FACILITIES WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 38 0 3 SOUTHWEST MILITARY DRIVE. 27. NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIPT IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED QUINTANA COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM NP 10 TO C TWO NA CDS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, SALES AND STORAGE AND A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR STORAGE SHIPPING CONTAINERS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,000 BLOCK OF HEATH ROAD. 23 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR? ONE. OPPOSED? THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD REGISTRA OR NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED WITHIN 200 FEET. OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVE ZERO IN FAVOR. THREE OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 0 9 PRUITT AVENUE. 26 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO. OPPOSED. COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OH 1.5 TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR RECEPTION HALL AND MEETING FACILITIES WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 28 0 3 MOSS ROCK DRIVE. 25 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE. OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE SAN ANTONIO TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION AND OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVED UM, NOTICE OF FAVOR FROM COLONIAL HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 3 78 EAST PETALUMA BOULEVARD. 27 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED HARLANDALE MCCOLLUM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVED ONE IN OR ZERO IN FAVOR? ONE. OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 18 AS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R THREE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 2 2 5 BURNETT STREET. 40. NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO. OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR. ONE. OPPOSED DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C ONE TO IDZ THREE WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO AND 32 DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED [00:10:01] AT 2 2 2 2 0 AND 2 2 4 WEST EVERGREEN STREET. 28 NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RM FOUR AND M MA MF 33 S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A DAYCARE CENTER TO R FOUR RM FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MECHA MEDICAL CLINIC ON 0.06. TWO ACRES OUT OF NCB 2 5 6 4 AND MF 33 CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC ON 0.136 ACRES OUT OF NCB 2 5 6 4 WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2 2 0 SUITE STREET IN 1303 SOUTH MAIN AVENUE 17 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ONE. OPPOSED KING WILLIAMS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS NOT OPPOSED AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE SAN ANTONIO TEXAS DISTRICT ONE ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C3 NA TO RM FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 1 2 EAST THEO AVENUE. 26 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO. OPPOSED ST. LE ST. LEO'S. SORRY. NO RESPONSE FROM ST. LEO'S OR LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OUTSIDE 200 FEET. WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 1 6 GORMAN STREET. 39 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO. RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. 26. ITEM NUMBER 26 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C3 NA TO IDZ TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO NA AND A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR PARKING LOTS REQUIRED REMOVAL REQUIRING REMOVAL OF DWELLING UNITS WITH A REDUCED ONE FOOT FIVE INCH BUFFER YARD WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN AMENDED SITE PLAN LOCATED AT 37 15 WEST COMMERCE STREET. 24 NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 27 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RM FOUR C TWO C3 NA TO IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 7 0 2 AND SEVEN 12 SOUTH FLORA STREET AND 2 0 1 WEST SHERIDAN STREET. 40. NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO. OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIA OR RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION AND KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 28 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A BAR AND OR TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK TO IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR A BAR AND OR TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 5,000 AND 5,002 SOUTH FLORA STREET. 29. NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ONE OPPOSED AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE ST. LEO'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 29 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO I-D-Z-I-D-Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 0 2 CONWAY DRIVE. 32. NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIPT IN FAVOR. TWO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 30 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TRUCK SALES, SERVICE MAINTENANCE AND STORAGE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MACHINERY TOOLS AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, SALES AND SERVICE WITH ALL THE LATEST TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 1 6 7 OH IH 10 EAST 10 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE WAS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 31 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO NA AND FR TWO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS ALL WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 0 2 9 0 SOUTHTON ROAD. 13 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. [00:15:01] LET'S BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PRESENT. OKAY. FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, OMAR KURA. SIR, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. UH, SO I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, THE BUZZ HIDE. UH, THEY'RE LOCATED AT TEN SEVEN ONE EIGHT PERRIN BEAL AND THEY RECEIVED A NOTICE TO BE HERE FOR THIS MEETING, UH, BASED ON OUR PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE. UH, THEY OWN A VAPE SHOP AND APPARENTLY IT'S NEAR A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE MAIN PURPOSE OF ME BEING HERE, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE STATE OF TEXAS IS DEALING WITH THIS ALREADY. THE LEGISLATURE'S ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP. BUT THIS INDUSTRY'S ALREADY UNDER ATTACK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE AND REGULATION IS HAPPENING UP IN DC. LOOK WHAT THE IS HAPPENING IN THE ECONOMY. MY BIGGEST ISSUE HERE TODAY IS THAT CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, STATE OF TEXAS, THEY TAKE THEIR MONEY FOR LICENSES. THEY TAKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, PERMIT FEES THEY TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE AND THEN THEY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO BUSINESS. LEAVE THEM ALONE. THIS ZONING THING IS, IS JUST OVERKILL. LEAVE THEM ALONE. UH, LUCKILY I THINK SINCE MY CLIENT'S ALREADY IN BUSINESS, HE MAY BE GRANDFATHERED IN. LEAVE HIM ALONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. SIR, CAN YOU COME BACK AND STATE YOUR NAME, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE REC FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? SO OMAR URA IS MY NAME. UH, AND I REPRESENT THE BUZZ HIVE AND I GAVE THAT ADDRESS. DO YOU WANT THAT ADDRESS AGAIN? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. NO, THAT'S FINE. GOOD, GOOD. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT SHAIK MUSTAFA. AND AGAIN SIR, THIS IS FOR ITEM TWO. YES, SIR. UM, MY NAME IS SHEIKH MUSTAFA AND THE ADDRESS IS 68 51 NORTH LOOP 1604 WEST SUITE 1 0 3, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M HERE FOR THE SAME REASON. UM, GENTLEMAN WHO JUST WALKED OUT, UM, I HAD THE SAME, UM, MY LAWYER'S SUPPOSED TO BE WITH ME TODAY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE HAD SOME MEETING THIS MORNING SO HE COULDN'T MAKE IT. SO, UM, I HAD THE SAME, UM, OPPOSE, UH, UM, OPPOSING FOR THIS UH, CASE. OKAY. MR. MUSTAFA, IF I CAN ASK, ARE YOU CURRENTLY IN BUSINESS? YES. OKAY. WOULD YOU SPEAK TO MR. SPARROW RIGHT OVER THERE? SURE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SURE. UM, ANY OTHER PEOPLE PRESENT FOR ITEM TWO? MOHAMMAD WALE. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I BELIEVE MR. WALEED IS NOT HERE. UH, ANYONE ELSE FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO IN PERSON? THAT IS IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP WHO ARE PRESENT FOR ANY OTHER ITEMS ON CONSENT? WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 22 AND 26. ALRIGHT, LET'S BEGIN 22 FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. WANDA FELICIANO. WANDA FELICIANO 1 1 6 GORMAN. UM, I'M JUST HERE FOR THE REZONING OF MY PROPERTY. MA'AM, CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE? OH YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M HERE FOR THE REZONING OF MY PROPERTY. A LITTLE CLOSER. A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW . SO, UM, I HAVE AN OVERSIZED LOT. I WANNA LIKE TO RESOUND IT SO WE CAN, UM, ESTABLISH MAYBE IN THE FUTURE SOME HOUSING, UH, FOR CHILDREN. AND SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BEFORE YOU'RE ON CONSENT AND IT'S MOST LIKELY TO GO THROUGH, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING. OKAY. NEXT FOR ITEM NUMBER 26, NINA VALEZ. HELLO, UM, I'M NINA VALDEZ. I LIVE AT 37 17 WEST COMMERCE. I'M HERE FOR THE 37 15. WE ARE FOR IT. WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INFORMED OF ANYTHING. SO WE ARE THE ONLY RESIDENTS ON THE BLOCK, SO WE FEEL THAT IT ONLY AFFECTS US. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, DEREK KY IN THE CORNER BACK THERE. TALK TO HIM. OKAY, THANK YOU. HE'S WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NEXT. BELINDA OLIVER. MS. OLIVER? I JUST HERE FOR SUPPORT. [00:20:01] OKAY. THANK YOU MS. OLIVER. ANYONE ELSE? THAT IS ALL FOR PUBLIC HONOR. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE WITH THE CASE MANAGER. SAMANTHA. BE, WE'RE CALLING ANONYMOUSLY. WE WANNA DECLINE AND NOT IN FAVOR OF REZONING AT 3 7 8 EAST PETALUMA. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR MS. SAMANTHA BEEZ. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS RAUL, ME AND I LIVE AT, UH, 3 6 7 EAST PETALUMA BOULEVARD. AND IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER Z DASH 2025 DASH 1 0 7 0 7 4 CD I OPPOSE THE RESTRICTION, THE RESTRICT READ DISTRICT. I'M SORRY, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, PRIOR EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE HAD WITH DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS, FIGHTS, LATE NIGHT BANGS ON MY DOOR, BREAK-INS, LOUDNESS, AND A LOT OF POLICE CALLS IN THAT SAME HOUSE. UH, LATELY WE'VE BEEN AT PEACE AND STUFF, SO I'M SORRY FOR THE TIKAS INVESTMENT AND, AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY THEY CAN SELL. BUT AT THIS POINT I, I OPPOSE FOR THE REDISTRICTING. THANK YOU. BYE. HELLO, MY NAME IS LOUIS FRANCOIS, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DICK AND WOODY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 0 7 6 12 25 BURNETT STREET. THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND OWNER FOR THINKING CREATIVELY TO MAKE THIS UNUSUAL AND PROBABLY UNCOMMITTED EDITION TO 1225 BURNETT STREET WORKABLE. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND OWNER FOR FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD AND GENERAL MEMBERSHIP TO PRESENT THIS ZONING REQUEST AND ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS. IT IS FOR THESE REASONS THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS RICK SHELL, THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER 0 7 7 AT TWO 20 AND 2 24 WEST EVERGREEN STREET. WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT THEIR PLANS FOR THIS PARCEL OF LAND AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE 0 8 1 1 16 GORMAN. WE SUPPORT THIS ZONING REQUEST. THE APPLICANT DID PRESENT TO THE DHNA BOARD BUT NOT TO THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP AT OUR MONTHLY MEETING. BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE MAINTAINING A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONE, WE ARE NOT TOO CONCERNED THAT THEY DID NOT PRESENT TO THE RESIDENTS SINCE WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING MEETS THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING STANDARDS. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY COMMISSIONER WANT TO PULL AN ITEM OFF CONSENT. SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER 2 8 10 14 15 16, 17 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 26 AS AMENDED. 27 28, 29, 30 AND 31. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT. UH, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NUMEROUS ITEMS, UH, AS READ IN BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARROS. ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. UH, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS AS READ. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. CHAIR BUS, SAMANTHA? AYE. ITEMS PASSED. 26 IS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, IF YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE ON, PLEASE TURN IT ON SILENT. UH, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. BUT IF YOU WERE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONER WATSON READ AND WE JUST COVERED, YOU ARE FREE TO GO ABOUT YOUR DAY. UH, THOSE ITEMS ARE PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU HAVE SIX [00:25:01] MONTHS TO GET TO CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE THOSE ITEMS HEARD THERE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK SO ANYWAYS. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR CONTINUANCE DOCKET, WHICH IS A CONTINUANCE HEARING TO MAY 20TH, 2025. ITEMS THAT WE HAVE FOR CONTINUANCE ARE ITEMS NUMBER 7 13 23 AND 24. THEY'RE REQUESTING A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO THE MAY 20TH MEETING AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. I DON'T EVEN GET TO ASK IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UM, ITEM SEVEN 13 AND 23 AND 24 ARE SEEKING CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS. UH, IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS NUMBER 7 13 23 AND 24 TO THE MAY 20TH HEARING. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL CHECK. SECOND, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER WITT. COMMISSIONER BOTTLE'S OFFICE GAME TODAY. . ALRIGHT. UM, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM 7 13 23 AND 24, UH, BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WIT ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING TO MY COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, LOOKING TO COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT. THERE BEING NO DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE CONTINUANCE DOCKET, WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. UM, AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING DOCKET. UH, THAT WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. ITEM NUMBER THREE, MY NAME IS KELLY SANDERS, PLANNING COORDINATOR. UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM PUD C3 PUD, C3 R AND PUD C TWO TO PUD C TWO NA S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH WITHIN THE ERZD EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE WITH ALL ZONING OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 17 5 3 9 BLANCO ROAD. 24 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, ZERO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED. AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. THE EXISTING PUD C3 PUD C3 R, AND PUD C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS, UM, ARE APPROPRIATE ZONINGS FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED PUD C TWO NAS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH WITHIN THE ERZD IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE REQUEST IS A DOWN ZONE FROM THE EXISTING C PUD C3 ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD PERMIT A VARIETY OF HIGHER INTENSE USES THAT WOULD CREATE NUISANCE, CREATE GREATER NUISANCE FOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. THERE ARE ESTABLISHED HIGH INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES ALONG WEST BLANCO ROAD. SO THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE. THE PROPO PROPER PROPERTY DOES ABUT SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE SOUTH. BUT THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW THE MAIN BUILDING PLACED BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES AND VACUUMS ALONG THE 15 FOOT, ALONG WITH A 15 FOOT BUFFER LANDSCAPING AREA. SET ASIDE THE PROPERTY LINE TO HELP BUFFER SOUND TO HELP REDUCE MORE SOUND. STAFF REQUEST. A C CLASS BUFFER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES THAT ABUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE REQUIRING MORE PLANTINGS THAN THE TYPICAL B CLASS BUFFER AND THERE'S NO ALL AMPLIFY OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND OR SPEAKERS ALLOWED AND NO TEMPORARY STORE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE PERMITTED. ALSO ADDING HOURS OF BUSINESS OF MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND SUNDAY 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM TO REDUCE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS. IMPACT ON RESIDENTS WHEN THEY'RE TYPICALLY HOME. STAFF AGAIN RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE C CLASS LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG PROPERTY LINES THAT ABUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND SUNDAY 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM [00:30:01] NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND OR SPEAKERS PERMITTED. AND NO PROMOTIONAL OR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE PERMITTED AND SAWS IS PRESENT TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AS THIS IS AN EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE DISTRICT, UH, IF SAWS WOULD COME AND GIVE THEIR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE, MIKE. MIKE LANTOS SAWS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. WE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 17 5 3 9 BLANCO ROAD, ALLOWING FOR AN AUTOMATED, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY. THERE IS AN OUT OF BUSINESS RESTAURANT CURRENTLY ON SITE AND THE ONE ACRE LOT IS CLASSIFIED AS A CATEGORY ONE. NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES NOR FLOODPLAIN WERE DOCUMENTED ON SITE. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE SAS REPORT TO INCLUDE, UH, 65% PREVIOUS COVER. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ESCALANTE. I SAW MR. BARR WALKING OUT AND I GOT SCARED. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE NO SAWS REPORT. UH, ALRIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, JAMES GRIFFIN, KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN. UM, THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S NOT MINE. NOPE. UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, SORRY, JAMES. OH, NO PROBLEM. UM, AND YEAH, THANK, THANK YOU KELLY FOR THAT PRESENTATION, UM, COMING UP. WELL, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, UM, WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION TO COME UP. UM, I DUNNO IF IT'S WORTH THE WAIT, BUT, UM, SO THIS IS A, A PROPERTY, IT'S ABOUT AN ACRE SITE, UH, ON BLANCO ROAD, JUST, UM, JUST SOUTH, JUST INSIDE OF 1604. UH, SO UP TOWARDS THE LOOP, OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, UH, AS KELLY MENTIONED, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF A NOW VACANT, UH, BUILDING VACANT SITE. IT WAS A PIZZA HUT, UH, BUILT, BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES. BEEN, UH, WENT OUTTA BUSINESS AND VACANT FOR A WHILE. UM, UH, CORNER LOT THERE. UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO, UH, IS DOWNS ON THE PROPERTY. UH, AS KELLY MENTIONED, THERE'S A, A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, BUT 99% OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, C3, UM, WITH THE E-R-C-D-M-L-O-D, ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE OVERLAYS. OH, THERE WE GO. UM, YEAH, JUST A, JUST A TEASE THERE. UM, SORRY, I GUESS I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE. . HEY, YOU SAID YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, SO YOU'RE DOING PRETTY WELL. HOPE, WELL, HOPEFULLY I GOT THAT RIGHT, . UM, SO, UH, HERE'S THE SITE. UM, UH, SO WEST BLANCO ROAD, UM, HAS, UH, QUITE A BIT OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES YOU CAN SEE THERE. UM, SEE THE SITE ON THE CORNER HERE. IT IS JUST FROM LOOKING FROM THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES THERE. UH, HERE'S THAT, UH, REQUEST. UM, AGAIN, C3, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, WE'RE ASKING TO DOWNONE IT TO C TWO, BUT ASKING FOR THE SPECIFIC USE, UH, FOR THE CAR WASH SO WE CAN REDEVELOP THE SITE, UH, INTO A, A NEW AUTOMATED, UH, TUNNEL CAR WASH. UH, WE ARE WITHIN THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT VICINITY LAND USE PLAN AND DESIGNATED BUSINESS PARK, UH, WHICH IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUEST. UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, STATING THE OBVIOUS HERE. BUT THE, UH, ONE OF THE REAL BENEFITS HERE IS THE, THE DOWN ZONING FROM THE C3 TO THE C TWO, UM, BY, YOU KNOW, APPROVING THIS REQUEST. WE'RE ELIMINATING A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE BAD USES. CERTAINLY THE MORE INTENSE USES ALLOWED IN C3. UM, YOUR AUTO REPAIR, YOUR BARS, TAVERNS, PAWN SHOPS, HOTEL MOTEL. UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SHOWN HERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING ON EACH SIDE OF WEST PLANCO. THERE IS BUSINESS PARK AS WELL. UH, HERE'S THE ZONING MAP. UM, UH, AGAIN, YOU SEE HEAVY COMMERCIAL REALLY, UH, ON EACH SIDE OF WEST BLANCO. UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED OUT. YOU SEE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL, UM, CONSISTENT COMPATIBLE THERE, UH, WITH THE AREA. UH, HERE'S OUR KINDA MORE TECHNICAL, UH, ZONING SITE PLAN. UH, YOU SEE, UM, BUILDING IS SITUATED, UH, TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL LAYOUTS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BE AS, AS COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE, UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUFFER, BUFFER OURSELVES, UH, FROM THE NEARBY HOMES AND, AND FROM BLANCO AND WEST BLANCO AS WELL. UH, SO THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT 3,600 SQUARE FEET, [00:35:01] A HUNDRED, 120 FEET LONG. UH, ONE STORY, UH, SITUATED AGAIN TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. UH, SOME OF THE EARLIER, UH, SITE PLANS HAD THE VACUUMS, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND SO WE'VE FLIPPED THAT. UM, HAD TO DO SOME REWORKING TO REALLY PUT THE VACUUMS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF NOISE, NOT WHAT YOU'D THINK, UM, FLIPPED THOSE. SO THEY'RE FAR AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF HOMES, RESIDENTS, OTHER USES AS POSSIBLE. UM, THE OPERATOR ITSELF IS A WATERSHED CAR WASH, WCW, UM, FAMILY RUN BUSINESS, UH, THAT HAS ABOUT 35 LOCATIONS ACROSS TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, UH, SEVERAL HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND IT'S, UH, REALLY MEANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE, UH, CONVENIENCE TYPE, UH, CAR WASHES WHERE YOU RUN THROUGH, UH, ON YOUR WAY, WAY TO WORK, UH, OR ON YOUR WAY HOME. UM, KIND OF QUICK, QUICK, EASY, QUIET, UM, MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP TYPE MODEL. UH, HERE'S A, A KINDA BETTER ILLUSTRATION OF, OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. UH, THERE'S SOME GREAT TREES ON SITE THERE ALREADY. UM, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNIFICANT PLANNING. UH, WE HAVE, UH, 15 FOOT TYPE B BUFFER, UH, WHICH WILL BE BUMPED UP TO TYPE C PER STAFFS, UH, PROPOSED CONDITION, UM, AND LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT REALLY, UM, PRETTY UP THE SITE, UH, AND PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS, UH, AS WELL. UM, DOWN THERE ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE CLOSEST TO NEIGHBORS. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT BUFFER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, THERE'S A, A ABOUT A 13 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR 15 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND THEN IT'S ALMOST 30 FEET, UH, TO THE BUILDING. SO YOU HAVE ABOUT 55 FEET OR SO SEPARATION FROM THE BUILDING, UH, TO THE, THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE. UH, HERE'S SOME MORE OF THOSE DETAILS. UH, REALLY, UH, WENT THROUGH, UH, A LOT OF THOSE, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE. UH, WHAT, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING, UH, AND WHAT THEIR TYPICAL HOURS OF OPERATION ARE, ARE 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, IT COULD OPEN LATER OR CLOSE EARLIER. IT'S A, IT'S A DAYLIGHT BUSINESS. THEY OPEN, UH, DAYLIGHT HOURS, UH, AFTER THE SUN COMES UP, CLOSE WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO, UH, SEVEN PM'S ABOUT THE LATEST. UH, THEY WILL EVER STAY OPEN, UH, TYPICALLY EARLIER IF IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE THE, WHERE THE SUN GOES DOWN EARLIER. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, REALLY DESIGNED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE, NOT A, THIS IS NOT A DESTINATION USE. UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, UH, DRIVING TO AND FROM SCHOOL WORK RUNNING THROUGH, UH, ON THEIR WAY, UH, TO GET A QUICK CAR WASH. UM, THAT SAID DOES HAVE, UH, STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY, THE CHIP READERS, UM, UH, AND WELL, THOSE OTHER THINGS YOU SEE THERE. I'LL, I'LL SKIP OVER THAT. UH, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT, THE REAL, UH, KIND OF NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY, UH, USE THE, THE HIGHEST TECHNOLOGY. AND THIS IS A BRAND NEW SYSTEM. ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS HAS THIS SITE WOULD BE, UH, THE FIRST ONE TO USE THIS. AND IT, UH, RECLAIMS, UH, REUSES RECYCLES NEARLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WATER, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE. UM, UH, THE REASON I SAY NEARLY IS THERE'S A TINY LITTLE BIT OF WATER LOST TO EVAPORATION AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIDN'T COMPLETELY DRY OFF, UH, ON THE CAR AS IT DRIVES OFF. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, REALLY ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WATER IS REUSED, RECYCLED, UM, WHICH HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ALL AROUND. UM, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS USED OUTSIDE OF THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER AS WELL. UM, LESS THAN 10 GALLONS, UH, OF WATER USED PER CAR. AGAIN, ALL OF THAT, UH, OR ALMOST ALL OF THAT, UH, IS REUSED, RECYCLED CONTINUOUSLY JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UH, WHEREAS THE STANDARD IS, IS ABOUT 60 GALLONS OF WATER PER CAR BEING USED, UM, FOR KIND OF SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, AGAIN, OTHER CAR WASHES, STANDARD PRACTICE, UH, SOME OF WHICH IS, IS RECYCLED, BUT IT'S A LOT OF WATER USED, NOT A WHOLE LOT BEING RECYCLED, WHEREAS THIS, UH, OPERATOR AND OPERATION USES A WHOLE LOT LESS AND, AND RECYCLES A WHOLE LOT MORE. UM, AGAIN, YEAH, ZERO, ZERO WASTE THERE. UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, UH, USES ONLY WATER-BASED BIODEGRADABLE SOAPS. UH, WE WILL BE JOINING THE SAWS, UH, WATER SAVER PROGRAM. UH, AND, AND MORE, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL, PROBABLY PROBABLY TALKED ENOUGH. SO I'LL, I'LL SPEED THIS UP. BUT YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WE RECAPTURE AND REUSE PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WATER, UH, ZERO WASTE. THERE'S NO WATER DISCHARGED INTO THE PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM OR, UH, [00:40:01] UH, DRAINAGE STORM DRAINS, UH, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL USE AND EVERYTHING STAYS THERE, CLEANED, UH, AND, AND REUSED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UH, UM, HERE'S MORE OF THE DETAILS. UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS KIND OF ALREADY WENT OVER THAT VACUUM STALLS ON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE'LL BE 19 OF 'EM, UM, TOTAL ON SITE. THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS WILL REMAIN WITH THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE REALLY BEING OFF OF OLD BLANCO ROAD. UM, BUT THOSE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS WILL STAY, UH, DOWNWARD LIGHTING, DARK SKY COMPLIANT. WE ARE MLOD, BUT WE ALSO UTILIZE DOWNWARD LIGHTING AND THAT DARK SKY AND, AND THE LIGHTS GO OFF, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE BUSINESS CLOSES. UM, THERE'S SOME FANCY GRAPHICS I SHOULD HAVE USED WHEN I WAS DESCRIBING THAT. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND CONDITIONS. WE, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE, UM, UH, BUT, BUT WOULD LIKE, UH, A TWEAK TO THE, UH, PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, INCREASING THE BUFFER FROM A TYPE B TO A TYPE C. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, LIKEWISE WITH THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND SPEAKERS AND THE, UH, TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. WE, WE CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THOSE. UM, AND IN CONCEPT WE AGREE WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A DAYTIME, UH, DAYLIGHT HOURS BUSINESS AND, UH, MEANT TO BE A A NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE. UH, WE ASK FOR THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE A RESTRICTION ON HOURS OF NO EARLIER THAN 7:00 AM NO LATER THAN 7:00 PM UH, THAT STILL, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS US TO OPEN LATER OR CLOSE EARLIER, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE TIME OF THE YEAR AND, AND WHEN THE SUN SETS WHEN IT COMES UP. BUT, UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO, AS FAR AS CONDITIONS GO, UH, IF WE ARE TO AGREE TO ONE, WE'D LIKE THE, UH, 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, I'M GOING BACKWARDS. UM, SO HERE, HERE'S JUST A LITTLE RECAP. UM, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, UH, VACANT, UH, PROPERTY, UH, BE REDEVELOPED. UM, UH, AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE, DAYLIGHT HOURS ON ONLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC THAN ANY OF YOUR OTHER USES. THE DOWN ZONING FROM C3 TO C TWO, UH, AND, UH, SAWS AND, AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, UH, OF, OF THIS REQUEST AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND BY SAWS WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITIONS, BUT WITH THAT, UH, ONE SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE, UH, HOURS TO, TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY. SO THANK YOU'ALL SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MR. GRIFFIN. UH, ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE PRESENT FOR THIS ITEM? YES, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. IF WE COULD START WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE. MICHAEL ULNER. MR. ULMAN, IF YOU WOULD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES, MY NAME IS MICHAEL ULMER AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PIZZA HUT. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS HERE THAT ARE IN THE SUBDIVISION. WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND ACROSS THE STREET, UH, A BUDDYING THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S MY PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT THE CAR WASH WILL BE USING TO ENTER AND EXIT FROM. THAT'S GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY, UH, CARS PER DAY THAT THEY ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE CAR WASH WILL BE USING, BUT IT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A TURN LANE. AND FOR US, IF WE'RE COMING SOUTH ON BLANCO ROAD AND TRYING TO TURN INTO OUR DRIVEWAY AND SOMEBODY IS GOING NORTH ON BLANCO, TRYING TO TURN INTO TO THE CAR WASH, THAT IS A ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. SO, UM, THERE ARE ON PAGE THREE, THOSE ARE ALL THE, UH, CAR WASHES IN AND AROUND, UH, THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, ON, ON BLANCO THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ME TO TURN INTO A CAR WASH. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CAR WASHES AVAILABLE. UH, I THINK THE USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, TO HARMONIZE WITH THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE, UM, LIKE A RESTAURANT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF USE, RATHER THAN, UH, A CAR WASH. IT'S GONNA BRING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. THERE IS ALREADY A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON BLANCO ROAD. THEY'LL FLIP OVER TO, UH, PAGE, UH, [00:45:02] FOUR, PLEASE. THAT'S MY DRIVEWAY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PIZZA HUT AND THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, PAGE, YOU CAN SEE PAGE, UH, SEVEN PLEASE. THAT ALL OF THAT, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY A TRAFFIC THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY DURING RUSH HOUR. SO, UM, OVERLAPPING, UH, TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND WITH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OF THE CAR WASH IS GONNA BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. THANK YOU, MR. ELMER, THAT'S YOUR TIME. UH, THAT'S YOUR TIME. SORRY. YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING. UH, THAT WAS STATED. UH, SO, UM, THAT WAS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, MA'AM? SO WE CAN TERRY SCHULTZ. TERRY, MS. SCHULTZ, YOU'RE GONNA BE UP NEXT. YOU DID SIGN IN. SHE'S, SHE WANTED TO GIVE UP HER TIME. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL THIS WILL BE A TEACHING MOMENT. UH, MRS. MS. SCHULTZ, YOU'LL GIVE UP YOUR TIME. I'LL ALLOW IT IN THIS ONE INSTANCE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO GIVE MR. ULMER THEIR TIME? OKAY, MA'AM, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME TO THOSE FOLKS OVER THERE? WANDA. WANDA YORK. ALRIGHT. AND SO TWO EXTRA SPEAKERS, MR. OLMER. WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU FOUR MORE MINUTES, BUT BEFORE YOU DO START SPEAKING, I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE TIME YOU'RE ENTITLED TO, SHOULD YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR TIME. PLEASE TELL US BEFORE THE SPEAKER TO WHOM YOU WANT TO GIVE THE TIME BEGINS TO SPEAK MR. OLMERT. FOUR MORE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I JUST IN SUMMARY, I THINK THIS, THE CAR WASH, UH, IS GONNA CONTRIBUTE A LOT MORE NOISE TO, TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. UH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA DEVALUE, UH, THE PROPERTIES ABUTTING THAT, UH, PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND OUR PROPERTY. UH, AND I THINK EVERYONE THAT'S HERE FROM THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT THEIR, UH, UH, NOTICE AND SAY THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION, UH, CAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND THAT ARE IN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF OPPOSITION TO THE CAR WASH. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, AND, AND, AND NOT APPROVING THIS PARTICULAR REZONING FOR A SPECIAL USE TO A CAR WASH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. ALMER. ALRIGHT. DAWN YORK. OH, MS. YORK JUST GAVE UP HER TIME. OH, OH, SORRY. DAWN YORK, NOT D-A-W-N-D-O-N-I ASSUME. SORRY, MR. YORK. UH, ANY ANYONE GONNA GIVE UP TIME TO YOU? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I DON'T BELIEVE I NEED IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DON YORK. I LIVE AT 1 3 4 2 CANYON BROOK IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 4 8. UH, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CANYON CREEK BUS, HOA, UH, ASSOCIATION. AND I'M HERE TO, UH, EXPRESS OUR, UM, DISAPPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS, UH, REZONING. I HAVE FIVE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED. WE BELIEVE THERE'S GONNA BE A NOISE ISSUE. WE'VE ALL, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THESE CAR WASHES. I'M SURE WE'VE ALL USED THEM. UH, BARRIERS AREN'T GONNA MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL. UH, THEY'RE STILL VERY NOISY WITH THE LARGE VACUUMS AND THE, UM, THE CAR WASH THEMSELVES. UH, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE LIGHTS ARE GONNA PRESENT AN ISSUE. WE HAVE, UH, AS YOU SAW ON ON THE MAPS, THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT WILL BE ADJACENT TO THIS CAR WASH, UH, IS GOING TO AFFECT THOSE HOMEOWNERS DIRECTLY. UH, TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE. THERE'S NO LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, AS YOU SAW ON THE PICTURES. UH, BLANCO ROAD IS EXTREMELY BUSY, UH, AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. UH, TRAFFIC IS OFTEN BACKED UP. UH, TURNING IN AND OUT IS GONNA BE, UH, A HAZARD. IT'S ALREADY A HAZARD. IT'S GONNA BE EVEN WORSE WHEN THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION AS TECH STOCK CONTINUES, THAT AS CONSTRUCTION ON BLANCO IN 1604. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING THOSE LANES FROM FOUR TO SIX. SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, AN ISSUE THERE. UH, PROPERTY VALUES, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE ADJACENT. THOSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA DECREASE. UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE A VERY, VERY HARD TIME TRYING TO SELL THEIR HOMES IF THEY HAVE A CAR WASH DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM. UM, SO, UH, A LOT OF OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE, ARE OLDER, UH, SENIOR CITIZENS. UH, THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED SOME OF THOSE LETTERS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS. SO I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, ON THEIR BEHALF. UH, [00:50:01] OUR HOA IS STRONGLY AGAINST THIS, AND I WOULD JUST LEAVE WITH ONE THOUGHT. UM, ASK YOURSELVES. I CHALLENGE YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE BEHIND A CAR WASH? THANK YOU, MR. YORK. THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME. YOU THANK YOU. RON ENLOW. OKAY. AND, UH, SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? UH, RON ENLOW. ENLOW. AND MS. ENLOW? YES. IS THAT A FAIR ASSUMPTION? ALRIGHT, MR. ENLOW, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. YOU LEFT A VOICEMAILS. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK OR HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLAYED? DELETE THAT? I WASN'T, I HAD A DOCTOR APPOINTMENT. WASN'T SURE I WOULD BE ABLE TO BE HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND MS. ENLOW FOR THAT. SORRY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEP OVER YOU MR. ENLOW. NO, THAT'S OKAY. BUT MS. ENLOW IS GIVING HER TWO MINUTES AS WELL. MR. ENLOW, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, I'M HOMEOWNER AT, UH, 17,418 SHADY CANYON DRIVE. WE HAVE A PROPERTY PEN THAT WE SHARE WITH THE CAR WASH. SO WE ARE WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT, UH, LIMIT. AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE, THE WAY THE PLAT ARE LAID OUT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR HOMES ARE BACKED UP TO THIS CAR WASH. SO THE, AND HOMES NORMALLY HAVE BEDROOMS IN THE REAR OF THE HOMES. SO MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE BEDROOMS THAT ARE THE CLOSEST ITEM TO THE CAR WASH. AND I RUN, I HAVE RUN SOUND FOR OVER 40 YEARS IN VARIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS. SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOUND. LOW FREQUENCY SOUND HAS NO DIRECTION. IT'S OMNIDIRECTIONAL. SO WHEN YOU PUT A BUFFER UP, IT JUST KNOCKS IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. IT STILL GOES EVERYWHERE. AND SO WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOW FREQUENCY NOISE FROM THE HIGH VOLUME INDUSTRIAL BLOWERS REQUIRED TO DRIVE THE CARS. AND ALSO, IF THERE IS GONNA BE ANY LIGHTING, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ON A STANDARD. AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MILITARY REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE IT DARK SKY, BUT STILL THOSE LIGHTS DO SHINE DOWN. AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTING INTO OUR PEOPLE'S BEDROOMS. AND, UH, IT'S A VERY QUIET COMMUNITY. WE, WE LOVE IT. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 33 YEARS. WE BUILT OUR DREAM HOME THERE. AND THE NEXT HOUSE, UH, WE WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A BED BY THE WINDOW AS THEY SAY. SO , WE'RE, UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE WE LIVE OUT THERE IN CANYON CREEK BLUFFS. AND JUST, UH, WE JUST DISAPPROVE THE USE OF THIS, OF THIS LAND FOR THIS PURPOSE. WEST BLANCO ROAD HAS MANY BUSINESSES ON IT, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE NON, UH, EXTERNAL THAT ALL THE BUSINESS TAKES PLACE INSIDE THE, THE BUILDING FOR THE MOST PART. SO WE APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. HELO. PEDRO RODRIGUEZ. HI COMMISSIONERS. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CAR WASH. I CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? SORRY, MY NAME PEDRO RODRIGUEZ. 1 7 5 4 0 BLANCO ROAD, 1 7 4 6 0 GLENCO ROAD AND 1 0 2 TI OWN THAT CORNER THERE. WE PUT, LIKE, WE CAME HERE LIKE MAYBE OVER TWO YEARS AGO TO PUT THE INVESTMENT OF $250,000, APPROXIMATE TO BE, MAKE A WALL LIKE THAT. WE CAN AVOID NOISE AND SECURE OUR PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING. AND NOW WE HAVE THIS CAR WASH. WE REALLY OPPOSED ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I GET SURPRISED. EVERYBODY TALKING PROPOSING IS GOOD. UH, SA APPROVE IT AND THEY SAY IS FINE, BUT I WANT TO TO KNOW WHERE IS TRAFFIC CONTROL. WHAT DOES TEXAS DOT SAY ABOUT THIS? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? I HAVE MY LICENSE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL. WE HAVE MY BUSINESS IN THE BACK TO THE, TO THE PIZZA. HU AND I HAVE ALL THESE PROPERTIES THERE. I BUILD A RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET TOO, ACROSS THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE IDEA HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAVE THE CAR WASH? THE TOP CAR WASH THERE? UH, 2012. THEY HAD 17 CAR ACCIDENTS THIS YEAR. WE CAN CHECK HOW MANY CAR ACCIDENTS WE CAN HAVE, BUT JUST, UH, I GET SURPRISED NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT, ESPECIALLY THE APPLICANT. THE IMPACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FOR THE TRAFFIC ON THIS AREA IS RESIDENT MOST, UH, TO THE BACK. YEAH, THEY HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. BUT THE PROBLEM, WHAT WE GONNA HAVE, I HAVE TEENAGERS, I HAVE SMALL KIDS. THE TRAFFIC, WHEN WE TRY TO GET TO THE, OUR DRIVEWAYS OR TO ENTER TO OUR HOME IS GONNA BE REALLY HARD AFTER YOU GUYS APPROACH THIS ONE. THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY STRANGE LIKE THAT THEY CAN AVOID, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF CARS, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MEAN IN TRAFFIC, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CAR WAS IS REALLY BUSY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RAINING LIKE THESE DAYS THE LINES ARE BIG, HUGE. SO THAT ONE IS GOING TO AFFECTING A LOT TO ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SAY. I'LL OPPOSED TO THIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU RODRIGUEZ. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, WELL WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. ALRIGHT, LET'S PLAY THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE. [00:55:07] GARZA. 1 7 4 2 2 CANYON HOLLOW, 2 1 0 4 9 2 0 6 9 9 ZONING ON BLANCO ROAD OR ERZD. MY CONCERNS ARE NOISE LIGHT LATE OUT OF OPERATION AND THE DEVALUATION OF MY PROPERTY. I AM 87 YEARS OLD AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE THIS SINCE MY BEDROOM IS RIGHT BACKS UP INTO THAT PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, UH, MR. GRIFFIN, UH, A BRIEF REBUTTAL PLEASE. WELL, THANK YOU. UM, AND, AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP TODAY. THAT WAS, UH, CERTAINLY A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE TO US, UM, AS WE HAD NOT SEEN OR HEARD ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR RESPONSES, BUT CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERNS AND, AND, AND THE QUESTIONS. AND, UM, LOVE TO TALK FURTHER, UH, WITH THESE FOLKS. AND, AND WE CAN EVEN, UH, PROVIDE AND PREPARE, UH, DETAILS ON THINGS LIKE A, A SOUND STUDY, UM, TO SHOW, UM, OR TO, TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. BUT, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, UM, YEAH, UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC, UH, IN THE AREA IS A CONCERN. BLANCO IS A, A MAJOR TDOT ROAD, UM, LIKE YOU HEARD GOING FROM FROM FOUR TO SIX LANES AND, AND IT IS A BUSY ROAD. UM, HOWEVER, THIS, THIS USE AGAIN IS, IS NOT A DESTINATION USE. UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS MAYBE, MAYBE, AND IF THEY ARE SITTING IN TRAFFIC, THEY'LL DECIDE TO PEEL OFF THE ROAD AND, AND GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH. UM, UH, INSTEAD OF STAYING ON THE ROADS, IT'S NOT, NOT REALLY ADDING, UH, CARS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF USE IT IS. UM, UH, THERE WERE SOME, SOME OTHER CAR WASHES IN THE AREA. SOME OF THOSE REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE HAND WASH I THINK WAS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF, FOUR MILES AWAY. UH, ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AGAIN, NOT, NOT WHAT THE MODEL HERE IS FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, CONVENIENCE. UM, UH, I GUESS ANOTHER ITEM GOING BACK TO TRAFFIC, WE ARE UTILIZING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS. UM, AND UH, THE CAR WASH USE, UH, IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, LESS OF A TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAN, THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. AND THEN MOST, IF NOT ALL, UH, OTHER C3 OR C TWO USES THERE. UM, SO, UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERNS AND, UH, LOVE TO, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CHANCE TO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS FURTHER, UH, MOVING FORWARD. I THINK WE CAN ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITIONS, RESTRICTIONS, WHAT, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. UM, BUT UH, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE CHANCE TO YEAH, TALK THROUGH, UH, AND COMFORT THEM ON THE, UH, THE SOUND AND LANDSCAPING AND, UH, ALL THOSE ASPECTS. BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC WILL ACTUALLY BE IMPROVED, UH, BY THIS USE, UH, AS WILL THE POTENTIAL ALLOWABLE USES, UH, AND THE LANDSCAPING AND REALLY JUST THE IMPACT, UH, ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GRIFFIN. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A DISTRICT NINE CASE. SO TO COMMISSIONER BARROS FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHRIST OR KELLY, UM, ON TRAFFIC. UM, IS THE APPLICANT REQUIRED TO DO ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY? BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO TEXDOT ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE MORE ACCESS. I MEAN, THAT BLANC ROAD USED TO BE ACTUALLY MAJOR HIGHWAY ACCESS. UH, SO ARE THEY REQUIRED TO DO A TRAFFIC PLAN OR WHEN THEY SUB WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, THEY'LL REVIEW FOR ALL OF THOSE DETAILS. UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE PROPOSED REMODEL, ALL OF THAT. UM, BUT IT'S NOT, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THE, THE SAME THING GOES FOR TRAFFIC LIGHTS, PUBLIC WORKS WILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT. YES. YEAH, I, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I I HAVE SOME COMMENTS LATER, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH DISTRICT NINE, SO I WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS OR QUESTION FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. REBUTTAL COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES, COMMISSIONER WHITSETT, AND THEN COMMISSIONER WATSON. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT [01:00:01] AND, UM, CONCERN WAS MENTIONED ABOUT LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING, AND I KNOW YOU HAD STATED, UH, DOWNWARD LIGHTING. UM, WHAT ABOUT WITHIN THE TUNNEL? SOME, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE TUNNEL CAR WATCHES WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE, LIKE A LIGHT SHOW WITHIN IT. WILL THIS BE SIMILAR OR NO? UH, NO. IT, IT WILL NOT. UM, IT IS, IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THAT'S YEAH, LIKE A, A DISCO IN THE, YEAH, IN THE CAR WASH. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, BEING A DAYTIME OPERATION, THERE'S REALLY NOT, NOT A NEED FOR LIGHTS ANYWAYS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, AND IT APPEARS, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE EXISTING DRIVES, YOU'RE REUTILIZING THE EXISTING DRIVES? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT, STILL YOU, UH, YOUR SITE PLAN, YOUR LANDSCAPING PLAN. COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE? I'M SO SORRY. ME, I FORGOT TO HIT THE BUTTON. UH, ALL YOUR SITE PLAN SHOW A LOT OF LANDSCAPING, UH, THE EXISTING TREES. HAVE Y'ALL DONE AN EXISTING, UH, SURVEY OF THAT AND KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE INCORPORATING INTO THIS? UH, YES. UM, HAVE A SURVEY OF THE EXISTING TREES. UM, HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO FULL BUILDING PLANS YET. HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS FIRST. BUT THE, THE GENERAL ANSWER IS, UM, REALLY ALL THOSE TREES BECAUSE THE SITE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED FOR THE PIZZA HUT. UM, LUCKILY ALL THOSE, ESPECIALLY THE MORE BEAUTIFUL OF THE OAKS ARE AROUND THE PERIMETER ALREADY. UH, SO WE WILL CERTAINLY BE LEAVING THOSE AND, AND PRETTY MUCH LEAVING ALL OF THEM, UM, UTILIZING WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, I GUESS IS, ARE Y'ALL PLANNING TO DO ANY TALLER OR BETTER FENCING ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, AREA? SO THE, THE TYPE C BUFFER REQUIRES A, A FENCE OR WALL, UM, ON TOP OF THE LANDSCAPING. THERE'S AN, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN GO TO A STREET VIEW. UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORS TO OUR SOUTH ACTUALLY HAVE A, A BEAUTIFUL NEW, UH, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE. WE'RE HAPPY TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL FENCE, BUT DON'T WANNA CREATE A, A LITTLE NO MAN'S LAND ALLEY THERE. UM, SO I THINK WITH THEIR EXISTING FENCE, WHICH, UH, I CAN PULL UP, UH, AND THE LANDSCAPING, UM, IT'D BE THE BEST, BEST FOR EVERYBODY. BUT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL FENCE IF, IF DESIRED, IF HELPFUL. MY, UH, I GUESS MY THIRD PART OF THE QUESTION IS ARE YOU DOING INDIVIDUAL VACUUMS OR DO YOU HAVE A CENTRAL VAC BUILDING THAT YOU'RE INSULATING TO HELP KEEP THE SOUND DOWN? UH, YES. IT'S A, IT'S A CENTRAL, UM, YEAH, VACUUM BUILDING, UM, THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, CONNECTED, UM, WITH INTO THE INDIVIDUAL TUBES, UM, OR THROUGH THE TUBES INTO THE INDIVIDUAL VACUUMS. UM, AND AGAIN, LOCATED ON THAT FAR NORTH SIDE TO, TO REALLY FURTHER MINIMIZE THE SOUND. AND THERE YOU CAN SEE. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXISTING FENCE. SO IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, 15 FEET OF LANDSCAPING, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF IT, UH, PLUS THE SETBACK. UM, SO WE CAN DO A FENCE, BUT I I, THEY GOT A PRETTY GOOD ONE THERE. YOU JUST HAVEN'T TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS APPARENTLY? UH, NO, THIS, THIS WAS, THIS WAS NEW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. COMMISSIONER WATSON, UM, SINCE YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS, UH, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, IS THERE ANY, WHAT IS LIKE THE CURRENT STOP SIGN TRAFFIC LIGHT SITUATION WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVES ARE? UH, THAT THERE IS, THERE IS. UM, AND THAT DRIVEWAY THAT JAMES DID YOUR MICROPHONE TURN OFF? I, MY, UH, OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, YEAH, THERE'S THE, UM, DRIVEWAY ON BLANCO ROAD. UM, NO STOP SIGN, NO STOPLIGHT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A, A STOP SIGN THERE THAT GUY'S INCHING OUT A LITTLE TOO FAR. UM, UH, THE DRIVEWAY ON WEST BLANCO HERE WILL BE THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE. SO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, SPACE AND STACKING IF IT EVER, YOU KNOW, GOT TO THAT, UH, GIVEN THE OTHER BUSINESS AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, COMMERS ON MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER REYES AND THEN COMMISSIONER HUEY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. TWO QUESTIONS ON THE EXISTING DRIVE. UM, IF THE PEAK HOURLY TRIPS DON'T INCREASE, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A TECH STOCK PERMIT, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT. AND, AND OUR, OUR TRIPS, UH, ON OUR TIA WORKSHEET, UH, [01:05:02] DECREASED FROM THE PREVIOUS USE FROM THE RESTAURANT USE. SO BY THIS USE THE PEAK HOURLY TRIPS DECREASE THAN FROM THE RESTAURANT USE? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND, UH, SECOND QUESTION ON THE WATER QUALITY BASIS. COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED OFF, OFF. I'M SO SORRY. SORRY. OH, SORRY. OKAY. THE WATER QUALITY BASIN, WHEN YOU DID THE WALKTHROUGH WITH SAWS, DID YOU, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO MODIFY IT IN ANY WAY OR IS THAT, UH, SUFFICIENT FOR THE RUNOFF? UM, IT, IT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE RUNOFF AND I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE STILL HERE UMT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY, IT WAS, IT WAS SUFFICIENT. IT WAS, I THINK OVERSIZED WHEN IT WAS BUILT AT THE TIME. SO A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP, UM, OKAY TO IT, BUT, UH, BUT IT WILL REMAIN AND, AND BE SUFFICIENT. SO NO CONCERNS AT ALL ABOUT THE RUNOFF FROM THE PAVEMENT INTO THAT. OKAY. NO SIR. VERY GOOD, THANKS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO EARLIER A GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, UM, LOW FREQUENCY NOISE GENERATED BY VACUUMS, AND, UM, HE IS VERY ACCURATE WHEN YOU SAID LOW FREQUENCY NOISES ARE OMNIDIRECTIONAL, HE'S GONNA BOUNCE. OKAY, SO I GET IT. YOU TRY TO PUT THE VACUUMS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. NOW, IN THE TUNNEL, IN THE PROCESS OF THE CAR GETTING WASHED BEFORE IT EXITS, DO YOU GUYS USE A BLOWER TO BLOW OFF THE, UH, THE EXCESS WATER? UH, YES. AT, AT THE END THERE IS OKAY. A BLOWER. SO THEN HOW DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ATTENUATE THAT NOISE BECAUSE THAT'S THE NOISE THAT'S GONNA HIT THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST? YEAH, THE, UM, COUPLE THINGS. UM, THE TECHNOLOGY ON THESE CAR WASHES HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT. UM, AND I KNOW, UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY, AT LEAST IN MY MIND STILL KIND OF THAT PERCEPTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE VACUUMS AND THE BLOWERS AND EVERYTHING BEING, BEING LOUD AND, AND MESSY. UM, AND, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. UM, CER CERTAINLY NOT WITH THIS COMPANY. UM, MAYBE MORE, MORE IMPORTANTLY, UM, THEY'RE HAPPY TO, UH, CONDUCT A SOUND STUDY. UM, WE CAN GET THE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LET IT, WITHOUT THE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIMULATE SOME OF THOSE NOISES AND OTHERWISE PROVIDE SOME MORE DETAIL BETTER THAN, BETTER THAN WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW. UM, TO, TO EXPLAIN AND SHOW, UH, JUST HOW YOU KNOW, UH, QUIET. UM, THESE, THESE USES ARE, SO A CLIENT ALREADY HAS EXISTING, UH, CAR WASH FACILITIES, PERHAPS GET THE NOISE READINGS FROM THOSE FACILITIES, FREQUENCY AND, UH, DECIBELS. UH, YEAH. UM, I, WE, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. UM, AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER LOCATIONS HERE, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, MOST OF WHICH ARE IN SIMILAR, UH, KIND OF SITUATED AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A, IT'S ON A MAIN ROAD, BUT IT IS A BUDDING OR VERY CLOSE TO NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE ARE THE CUSTOMERS. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT, NOT BEEN ANY ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS I KNOW OF, UM, FOR CERTAIN ON ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES. SO, AND, AND IT'D BE GOOD, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE, THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS, UH, TO THE FOLKS HERE AS WELL, SO THEY CAN KIND OF SEE IT WITH THEIR OWN EYES, WHAT IT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW IT, HOW IT ALL LOOKS. THAT'D BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HUEY. UM, QUICK QUESTION FROM ME. UM, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT YOU'RE A LITTLE SURPRISED BY, UH, THE OPPOSITION THAT'S COME OUT TODAY. UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE? NORMALLY, YES. UH, WE'RE AT THAT TOUGH TIME OF YEAR WHERE IF WE CONTINUE IT, UM, WE LOSE ALMOST TWO MONTHS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, THERE'S, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN JUNE AND DON'T MEET IN JULY. SO, UM, I, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IF WE COULD TODAY. UM, BUT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MEAN THE DISCUSSION WON'T STOP. IN FACT, I'D LOVE TO, UH, EXCHANGE CONTACT INFO AND, AND TALK WITH THESE FOLKS. MEET WITH THESE FOLKS AS MUCH AS I CAN. I KNOW, I KNOW COUNCILMAN COURAGE WOULDN'T, UH, OR HIS PREDECESSOR WON'T, UM, WON'T ALLOW ANYTHING TO BE APPROVED IF, IF WE HAVEN'T WORKED WITH THESE FOLKS HERE. OKAY. SO WHEN ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THIS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL? UH, IF, IF, IF WE GO THROUGH TODAY, IT WOULD GO ON JUNE 5TH. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD ENDEAVOR OVER THE NEXT MONTH TO REACH OUT TO THESE FOLKS. YOU'LL GET THEIR INFORMATION TODAY? YES. IF IT GOES FORWARD? YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GRIFFIN. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER REBATO TO YOU FOR COMMENTS AND A POSSIBLE MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I KNOW THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE DIFFICULT [01:10:01] SOMETIMES, BUT OUT OF ALL THE CHOICES THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND IT'S A COMPATIBLE USE OF LAND, I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED IF THIS WAS ACTUALLY A STARBUCKS OR CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. UM, I ACTUALLY VISITED TWO CAR WASHES IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, ONE ON BANDERA ROAD AND ONE ON JOHN BERGER BY THE SUBSTATION, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED HOW, UM, QUIET THEY ARE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THE TECHNOLOGY IS A LOT BETTER. AND WE DID HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS, UH, ON JOHN MUL BERGER THAT WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND AFTER THEY OPENED THAT, INSTEAD OF OPENING A DRIVE THROUGH, THEY WERE VERY, VERY, UH, SATISFY AND HAPPY. AND THEY ACTUALLY CALLED ME AND TEXTED, TEXTED ME AFTER THE, THE CAR WASH OPENED AND THEY SAID YOU WERE RIGHT AND I WAS CORRECT. UH, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED. SO IN VIEW OF ALL THIS STAFF SUPPORTS, UH, SOFT SUPPORT AND THE COUNCIL ON DISTRICT NINE, UH, JOHN KURT SUPPORTING ALL OF THIS, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, WHY DO I HAVE ANYWAY? ALRIGHT, UM, ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMERS ON MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER SIPES. ALRIGHT, UM, I AGREE THIS IS A TOUGH CASE AND USUALLY I AM NOT ONE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF CAR WASHES. UM, WE DID HAVE ONE WITH AN EXISTING PIZZA HUT ON AT ANOTHER LOCATION THAT, UM, WE VOTED FOR DENIAL OF. AND IN THAT CASE THERE WAS NO PROVISION OF ANY SORT OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER. NO FENCE, NO FENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THIS. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY, IF A CAR WASHER WAS TO BE PUT SOMEWHERE TO ACTUALLY DO IT. UM, UH, THE, THE, THE SWAYING POINT FOR ME IS THAT IT'S DOWN ZONING FROM A C3 USE. UM, THERE ARE TOO MANY OTHER THINGS IN A C3 USE THAT I THINK WOULD BE, UH, DETRI MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. UM, THAT ZONING THAT WE TURNED DOWN WAS MY DISTRICT AND IT, UH, WAS JAMMED ONTO THE SITE. THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER SITE. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD LANDSCAPING AND THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE IN AN EFFORT TO REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK I'M GOING TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS AT THIS POINT. OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WIT, COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, THIS IS A DIFFICULT ONE FOR ME AS WELL AND THE DECIDING FACTOR IS THE DOWN ZONING, BUT I JUST WANNA YOU SHOUT MY USUAL SHOUT, UM, ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BEING CRITICAL. UM, I I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A SURPRISE WHEN COMMUNITIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CAR WASHES, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THIS AREA IN THE PAST WITH THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M NOT A NECESSARILY ALWAYS A FAN WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS IT'S A NOT A DESTINATION USE. UM, OF COURSE IT'S A DIS DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAN MINE. UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE TIMETABLE AND I THINK THIS IS THOUGHTFULLY, UM, DESIGNED AND BECAUSE IT IS A DOWN ZONE AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UH, INVASIVE USES FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES PERMITTED IN C3, UM, THAT IS THE FACTOR. BUT, UH, PLEASE BE SURE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S DOCUMENTED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL. THANKS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WATSON. COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER HUEY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO THIS IS A DOWN ZONE AND I CAN SEE IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF LAND USE, BUT I AM VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT NOISE AND NOISE ATTENUATION. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THIS, UH, CASE IS APPROVED HERE AND GOES BEFORE THE COUNCIL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU VERY MUCH TO GET THOSE STUDIES TO THAT GUY RIGHT THERE. 'CAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. IF HE'S SATISFIED, THEN YOU SHOULD BE TOO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONS ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME. UH, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER WATSON, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A LOT MORE OUTREACH. UH, I ENCOURAGE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TODAY TO CONTINUE THAT OUTREACH, GET WITH MR. GRIFFIN, ALL OF YOU FOLKS HERE, UM, [01:15:01] SO THAT Y'ALL CAN CONTINUE TO TALK. UH, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE CONCERNS REGARDING THE SOUND AND THE NEARNESS OF THIS TO RESIDENTIAL USES. UH, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE BUFFERS DOES ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, AS DO SOME OF THE CONDITIONS WHICH WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED. UM, SO CAN WE GET THE CONDITIONS UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? STAFF REPORT OR, OR MR. GRIFFIN'S, UH, PRESENTATION? OH, YES. SORRY. MR. RODRIGUEZ NO, NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. DID DO WE, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, DID YOU NEED TO? SORRY, JUST A BRIEF COMMENT. UH, CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. YES. UH, I WAS QUICK TO SECOND COMMISSIONER BARRO, UH, MOTION BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT HE LAID OUT AND THE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN AS NOTED, UH, FURTHER DOWN THE DAIS. UH, BUT I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS PUT INTO COMMISSIONER BARROS MOTION. UH, SO THANK YOU . OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO COMMISSIONER BARDOS, I AM GOING TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UM, A TYPE B 15 FOOT BUFFER, A PROPOSED, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND OR SPEAKERS PERMITTED AND NO PROMOTIONAL OR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE PERMITTED AS CONDITIONS TO THE MOTION. IS THAT ACCEPTED? YES. OKAY. MR. GONZALEZ, IS THAT ACCEPTED? IT IS. OKAY. UH, CLARIFICATION. SORRY. UH, CHAIR, UH, YOU SAID TYPE B BUFFER OR TYPE C BECAUSE STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING TYPE C WAS MR. GRIFFIN. TYPE C IS FINE? YES. OKAY. UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF BUFFER TO A TYPE C BUFFER. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. MR. GONZALEZ, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? WELL, I WAS OKAY WITH B, I'M I'M JOKING. OF COURSE. WELL C'S BETTER FOR C'S BETTER FOR THESE FOLKS. ALRIGHT, FOR THE RECORD. C. YES, CHAIR. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS ACCEPTED AS FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TWICE. UM, AND THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER ABBADO, UH, WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER TSET? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. ITEM PASSES IS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOLKS AGAIN, PLEASE GET WITH MR. GRIFFIN. UH, CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AS THIS WILL HEAD TO CITY COUNCIL BY JUNE 5TH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEDA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 1 8 2 9 SAN ANGELO BOULEVARD. GOING FROM R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO R FIVE CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED BELLEVUE AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R FIVE, R FOUR, R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS C ONE CD LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITION USE FOR AUTO REPAIR FACILITY AND C TWO PCD COMMERCIAL PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR LARGE SCALE PRINTER. THE EXISTING R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R FIVE CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS NOT APPROPRIATE EVEN THOUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD RETAIN A RESIDENTIAL BASE ZONE. ADDING THE CD CONDITIONAL USE FOR NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT WOULD CREATE A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A SITE PLAN, HOWEVER THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH A SMALL LOT SIZE IN REGARD TO CIRCULATION OF VEHICLES. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. [01:20:01] VERY GOOD. IF THE APPLICANT CAN COME UP PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US YOUR NAME. YEAH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JORGE DURAN, 34 38 IRA CREEK. I'M, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE UPGRADED THE DISCIPLIN THAT WE HAD LAST TIME. UM, NOW, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE ALLEY ANYMORE. UH, WE WILL BE USING THE, THE ENTRANCE OF THE, UH, NEXT PROPERTY. UM, I BELIEVE, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC IN THE STREET AND UH, THAT TAKES OUT LIKE TRAFFIC COMING IN TO THE, TO THE LOT. UM, WE ALSO ARE ABLE, UH, WE SPOKE WITH TRAFFIC. THEY SAID THAT IT WAS OKAY. WE SPOKE WITH EASEMENTS. THEY SAID THAT IT WAS OKAY AND WE ALSO SPOKE WITH, UM, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. I'M SORRY, BUT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD AND WE ARE WILLING TO PAVE THE ALI EVEN THOUGH THAT WE ARE NOT USING IT. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. DURAN. UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK. OKAY. BETTY ECKERT? SHE MIGHT HAVE LEFT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT. UH, SO MR. DURAN, YOU DO NOT GET A REBUTTAL. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER DR. KELLUM TO YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. MR. DURAN, COULD I ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THE SITE PLAN. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE? IS THAT SIX? IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? I BELIEVE THOSE ARE GONNA BE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8. IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A TOTAL OF SEVEN WHEAT, UH, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT FOR, FOR BICYCLES AND MOTORCYCLES. AND THEN I BELIEVE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT TO TEAR DOWN THAT TREE THAT YOU SEE THERE AND THEN, UH, PLANT MORE TREES, UH, IN THE BUFFER. AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAVING THE ALLEY? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE ALLEY? YEAH. YEAH. ENTIRE ALLEY. YEAH. . YEAH, . I WAS NOT EXPECTING THAT TO ANSWER WITH LIGHTING ALSO. THAT'S WHAT MY CLIENT WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT MY CLIENT SAID THAT WAS THAT HE BOUGHT A PROPERTY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND NOW, UM, HE COULD USE THAT MONEY TO OPEN ANOTHER LOCATION , BUT HE WANTS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. . ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KELLUM. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA START OVER HERE ON MY RIGHT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. JUST A QUESTION, I FORGET. WHAT IS THE PROPERTY GONNA BE USED FOR AGAIN, JUST TO REMEMBER? UH, PARKING LOT. PARKING FOR TAQUITOS WEST. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. NO, NO QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS. I GUESS I'LL HAVE ONE. YOU'RE SAYING THE ALLEY ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER END OF THE BLOCK? YES, YES. UH, ACTUALLY IT'S STARTING FROM THE LOT THE, WE HAVE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES THERE. OKAY. YEAH. UH, YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY KIND OF PLAN THAT YOU'RE PLANNING OR A FENCING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, ALONG THERE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US? OR, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY EVIDENCE OF THE TYPE OF FENCING OR LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE PARKING LOT? YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE TALKING TO TREES AND UH, AND UH, UM, AS SOON AS IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE US THE CHANCE TO PROVE IT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL, WE'LL CHECK WITH RISK, BUT THE LANDSCAPING IS GONNA BE A BUFFER TO, TO, TO NOT TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING GOOD. SO STAFF, DO THEY HAVE ANY CERTAIN MINIMUM REQUIREMENT THERE, LIKE THE B OR C? CORRECT. UM, THERE IS REQUIRED FENCING AND IF I BELIEVE SO, UM, GIVE ME A SECOND. THERE'S A LITTLE STIPULATION WHEN YOU HAVE A RESIDE OR IT'S A RESIDENTIAL BASED ZONE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE, I BELIEVE, UM, BUT I JUST NEED TO CONFIRM, [01:25:02] HE DOES HAVE A 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER PROPOSED ON HIS SITE PLAN. THAT IS TYPICAL. THAT'S A TYPICAL, UM, B TYPE B BUFFER. THANK YOU. BUT THE C IS A MORE DENSE REQUIREMENT? THAT IS CORRECT. CORRECT. BUT THEY, HE WILL, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AT B BUFFER AT MINIMUM. OKAY. AND I'M NOT TOTALLY CLEAR WHAT Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, BUT YOU SAID AN ALTERNATE NO, THERE'S NO ALTERNATE. JUST WE WERE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHATSUP. ALRIGHT, SO, 'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE ALLEY UH, STAFF, WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM UNDER THIS SITE PLAN TO PAVE THE ALLEY. NO, SIR. CAN'T, UM, NO WE CAN'T. UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE ALLEY GOES, IF, IF THEY WANNA UTILIZE IT, THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT AS WELL AND UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO IMPROVE IT AND IT WOULD BE, UM, THROUGH PERMITTING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC DIVISION. MM-HMM . OKAY. 'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING MR. DERAN IS THAT CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE, SO WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. UM, BUT I I JUST MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. YEAH. EVEN TO JUST HAVE PERMISSION TO UTILIZE IT, TO ACCESS IT. THEY WILL HAVE TO GET WITH TRAFFIC ON THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS, NOT US TODAY. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LOOKING RIGHT, LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR COMMENTS IN A POSSIBLE MOTION? WELL, I WILL HAVE TO SAY YOU KIND OF GOT ME WITH THE ALLEY PAVEMENT. UM, , YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE SITE PLAN CHANGE. I WAS A LITTLE RETICENT WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR DESIRE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR, YOUR DESIRE TO IMPROVE THE AREA, I THINK I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY DR. KELLUM. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. COMMISSIONER BARROS BEAT COMMISSIONER WATSON. ALRIGHT, UH, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY DR. KELLUM AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARROS. UH, COMMENTS TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. ITEM PASSES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. GOOD LUCK MR. DURAN. YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. BRONTE FRE ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS LOCATED AT 3 0 1 EAST FUS STREET, GOING FROM R SIX CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DUPLEX TO ID Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS, ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. THERE ARE 38 NOTICES SENT. SEVEN IN FAVOR, THREE OPPOSED. AND THE OUTSIDE 200 FEET THERE ARE 13 IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED. LONE STAR NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION IS NOT OPPOSED. STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE EXISTING R SIX CD WITH THE CONDITION OF USE FOR DUPLEX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED ID Z TWO WITH USES PERMIT FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN PROXIMITY TO OTHER PROPERTY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY USE TO THE NORTH. THE REQUESTED ZONING IS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND WOULD LIMIT THE PROPERTY TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS. THE INFILL DEVELOPMENTS ZONE DISTRICT ZONING REQUEST REQUIRES A PRESCRIBED SITE PLAN THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT FURTHER PUBLIC REVIEW. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATE HOUSING TYPES TO ACCOMMODATE THE CITY'S GROWING POPULATION AT ALL INCOME LEVELS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY AMEND THEIR SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S CHARLES RAMON. I LIVE AT, UH, 2 2 3 IBIO AVENUE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, I WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, MR. RAMON, UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO IT IS TO ME, UM, [01:30:02] LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THIS SITE. UM, DO YOU HAVE THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN? OH, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. MR. RAMON, YOU ARE AMENDING THE SITE PLAN TO, UH, TO REFLECT THOSE TWO, THE PREVIOUS, THIS ONE HERE? YES. OKAY. AND THAT IS TO REFLECT, IS THAT FOUR PARKING SPOTS? I'M SORRY? IS THAT FOR FOUR GARAGE PARKING SPOTS? IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? NO, THE AMENDMENT IS TO, TO SUPPORT, THERE'S TWO STRUCTURES THAT WEREN'T, UH, ON THE, UH, APPROVED PLAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS. AM AM I RIGHT? OKAY. ASK ME THE QUESTION AGAIN AND MAYBE I CAN PROVIDE A BETTER ANSWER. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES OH, THE AMENDED PLAT IS TO MORE CLEARLY SHOW WHERE I PROPOSED TO PUT THE PARKING. IT JUST DARKENED. OKAY. THE FIRST, THE FIRST SITE PLAN WAS, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE LIGHTER, SO I JUST DARKENED THE, THE PROPOSED PARKING AREAS. THE PARKING AREA OFF OF APPLEWHITE, UH, WOULD BE WITH THE F THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE A GARAGE WOULD BE INSIDE A, A PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE. AND THEN ON, ON THE FE SIDE, IT WOULD BE A, UH, BACK TO BACK PARKING PAD, UH, ON THE, UH, WITH THE NEW CURB CUT ON THE, ON THE SIDE. OKAY. SO ON THE FEST SIDE THEN. YES SIR. THAT PARKING IS MORE LIKE A CARPORT? YES, SIR. IT'S UNDERNEATH THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE UNDER A PROPOSED BUILDING. YES SIR. OKAY. AND SO THE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE WOULD BE DEMOLISHED? YES, SIR. OKAY. I'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM, UH, PEOPLE THAT KNOW ABOUT HISTORY AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AND, AND, AND THERE'S, UH, PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF, UH, PRESERVE THAT BUILDING HAD BASICALLY SAID, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A, A MUCH A A NO GO. OKAY. ON THE, ON THE PRESERVATION. AND HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR DEMOLITION? UM, NOT SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. STAFF. IS THAT A REQUIREMENT PRIOR TO DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING? WHAT THE, GETTING A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH? YES. YES IT IS. AND WOULD, WOULD THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION BE INVOLVED IN THAT? YES, THEY WOULD BE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT, NOW I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN. YES SIR. IF WE CAN. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A UNDERSTANDING OF IT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE AMENDED PLEASE? OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, AND I THINK THE ORIGINAL ONE TOO DID HAVE A THREE STORY, UH, PROPOSED NEW BUILDING, CORRECT? YES SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE TWO STORY NOTATION ON THE SITE PLAN WITHIN THE BODY OF THAT BUILDING IS INCORRECT. PROPOSED TWO STORY STUCCO. DO YOU SEE THAT, SIR? THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S INCORRECT. OKAY. YES, THERE WAS. YES. ALRIGHT. UM, IN YOUR PROPOSING A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON FEST, I'M PROPOSING A FIVE FOOT SETBACK OR IF THE, IF THE COMMISSIONER'S PREFER, I, I, I CAN DO 10. THE PRIMARY REASON WOULD BE, UH, IT'S A, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED TO DUPLEX AND I'M TRYING TO GET CARS OFF THE STREET. SO THERE'S TWO DRIVING FACTORS BEHIND THIS TO GET CARS OFF THE STREET FOR THE NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURE. AND THEN TO MAINTAIN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS ON THE SAME LOT BEHIND THE STRUCTURE THAT I'M PROPOSING TO, UH, DEMOLISH OR, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO DECIDING FACTORS IS TO KEEP THE TWO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BACK THERE THAT HAVE OFF STREET PARKING. THEY HAVE A LITTLE YARD AND, AND, AND, AND THEY HAVE OFF STREET PARKING. AND THEN ON THE, ON THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT TO DEMOLISH THAT IT'S ZONED A DUPLEX TO COME BACK WITH A DUPLEX. BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING ON-STREET PARKING, WHICH I THINK I'M ALLOWED TO DO, I WANT TO GET THE CARS OFF THE STREET AND PUT 'EM ON THE LOT. AND THIS IS THE BEST THAT I COULD DO. THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THREE STORIES IS I NEED AN OUTSIDE FEATURE BECAUSE GETTING 'EM OFF THE, UH, OFF THE STREET, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SPACE. ALRIGHT. SO BETWEEN THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND THE EXISTING TWO ONE STORY, UH, STRUCTURES, HOW MUCH PARKING DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THERE? BT BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE, THE, THE, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT, THERE IS NO, THERE IS [01:35:01] NO OFF STREET PARKING UNLESS I PUT IT BEHIND, UH, BEHIND THE TWO STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE. UH, AND THAT WOULD JUST KIND OF JAM EVERYTHING UP. I MEAN, I COULD TECHNICALLY PUT FOUR CARS BEHIND, BUT EVERYONE'S GONNA BE UNRELATED AND IT WOULD BE A MESS. OKAY. SO YOUR INTENTION IS NOT TO PARK ANY VEHICLES, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OR THE THREE BUILDINGS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE WOULD BE, UH, THAT SPACE WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THE BACK. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THEIR PARKING. OKAY. SO HOW MANY SPACES WOULD THAT BE? EACH SPACE IS ALLOTTED? UH, ONE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE FOUR. YOU COULD HAVE FOUR CARS THERE FOR EACH OF THOSE TWO STRUCTURES IN THE BACK. BUT, UH, THE WAY I, THE WAY I APPROACHED IT WAS IS I, THERE'S A LITTLE SMALL GREEN AREA AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS PICTURES THAT ARE TAKEN OF THE NEW STUFF. THERE WAS, IT WAS QUITE DILAPIDATED WHEN I GOT IT. I HAVE A LITTLE YARD THERE AND I'M PROPOSING TO HAVE, UH, JUST A LITTLE GREEN SPACE FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE, UH, CABIN IF, IF YOU WOULD. AND, UH, IT'S A GREEN SPACE FOR THEM. SO THE WAY I THOUGHT ABOUT IT WAS, UH, WHEN I'M RENTING THE SPACE, I DON'T WANT ALL THE CARS JAMMED UP TO THAT GREEN SPACE SO THEY CAN ENJOY IT. SO I'M A, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE, THE FIRST CABIN CLOSEST TO APPLEWHITE IS, IS RENTED. UH, TURNS OUT THE LADY DOESN'T HAVE A VEHICLE, BUT SHE HAS ONE SPACE, UH, KIND OF WHERE THE BOBCAT IS. AND THEN THE, THE, THE GREENHOUSE OR CABIN WOULD HAVE A, A SPACE RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. OKAY. MR. RAMON, SO LOOKING AT THIS YES SIR. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE, IS THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE GOING TO BE THE SAME? YES. I WANT KEEP THAT LINE. YEAH, I WANNA KEEP THAT LINE. YES SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I AM GOING TO, UH, OPEN QUESTIONS FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UH, LET'S START WITH MY RIGHT COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. YES. COMMISSIONER REYES. AND THEN COMMISSIONER HEINA HOSA, UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF, YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR APPLICANT. UH, THE TWO STRUCTURES IN THE BACK, THE BLUE AND THE GREEN ONE, ARE THOSE ONE BEDROOMS? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. HAVE YOU, UH, HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER CURB CUT THAT CLOSE TO THE CORNER WITH THE STAFF? UH, I DID, UH, I SPOKE WITH TRAFFIC AND UH, WITH THE PROPOSED UH, IDZ TWO, UH, REQUEST. THEY SAID THERE WAS NO CONFLICT THERE WERE FOR IT. YES SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE. AND, AND COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? UH, I TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO ME ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEREFORE AS WELL. AND, UH, THE, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REACHED OUT TO THAT PERSON 'CAUSE THAT'S THE PERSON ON MY, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND, UH, AND, AND THEREFORE IT AS WELL, BUT THERE COULD, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PARKING WAS GONNA BE OFF STREET. OKAY. BUT YOU AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN, CORRECT? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. I HAVE, AS I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE FROM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I DO NOT LIKE TO ASK, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, UH, SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROJECT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO PUTTING IN A THREE STORY BUILDING, UH, IN AN AREA OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NOT AT ALL FOR THAT. SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN OPTION. UM, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WANT ANOTHER TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE AT THIS TIME SO YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OKAY. AND GO, MAYBE EVEN WALK OVER AND TALK TO SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS THERE AT THIS PROJECT, YOU AND ME TOGETHER. SURE. UM, OR I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. SO, AND PRIMARILY THE, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE, THE THIRD STORY REQUEST MM-HMM . IS JUST TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR FEATURE. THE, THE, THE MOTIVATING FACTORS ARE IS IF I BRING THE CARS OFF THE STREET, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF OUTDOOR FEATURE. SO THAT'S WHY I WENT UP, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO REQUEST A TWO WEEK. OKAY. UH, BUT IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S MY MOTIVATION. I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER RIGHT NOW. SURE. YOU CAN CALL ME. UH, AND I'D ALSO LIKE YOU IF YOU EMAIL ME, UH, WHICH BRONTE CAN GIVE YOU THAT EMAIL, INCLUDE, UH, MR. KOWSKI ON IT AS WELL. SURE. THAT WOULD WOULD BE GREAT. I JUST, I ALSO WANTED JUST TO CLARIFY ADD AS WELL THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH MR. RAMON. IF HE DOES, IF THE SITE PLAN DOES TO SAY THREE STORIES, HE WOULD [01:40:01] STILL NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE OF HIS, UM, ABUTTING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ANYTHING WITHIN 50 FEET OF THAT ADJOINING PROPERTY LINE MUST BE WITHIN THE TWO AND A HALF STORY SLASH UH, 35 FEET. SO WE, SO HE IS AWARE THAT IF THIS THREE STORY WAS TO EVER BE APPROVE OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL HERE, HE WOULD STILL NEED TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO SORT OF JUSTIFY TWO WEEK. LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. UH, I CAN GIVE YOU MY NUMBER NOW. YOU CAN GET IT FROM BRONTE. I'LL GET IT FROM BRONTE. OKAY COMMISSIONER. VERY GOOD. UH, ALRIGHT. UH, WELL WITH THAT BEING SAID THEN, UM, LIKE I SAID, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THIS. THERE ARE SOME BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ISSUES, UH, SOME PARKING ISSUES, SCALE ISSUES. UM, AND SO I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE MAY 20TH MEETING FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. UH, THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAY 20TH BY ME AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. ROLL CALL VOTE CHAIR. BUSANTE AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ALRIGHT. UM, WE ARE NOT QUITE AT THE POINT WHERE WE TAKE OUR TRADITIONAL BREAK, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT TAKE A BREAK BEFORE DISCUSSION NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT. , GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEVA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LOCATED AT 1 1 2 2 1 SAN PEDRO AVENUE GOING FROM C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO MF 50 MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLY STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, 10 OPPOSED GREATER HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE AND NINE OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET. THE PROPOSED USE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. RL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT C3, GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT I ONE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND C3 AND A GENERAL COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT. THE EXISTING C3 IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 50 IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THE REQUEST TO REZONE IS TO PERMIT A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT GIVEN THE ABUTTING INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES AND ZONES. STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST FOR MULTIFAMILY DOES NOT ALIGN WITH CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. ADDITIONALLY, COMMON LAND USE PRINCIPLES FOR THE AREA DISCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL USES AND ZONES IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT PATH RUNWAYS AND OPERATION STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE AND I HAVE CONTROL. RIGHT. PERFECT. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. EMILY WEISLER WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE, SUITE TWO 50 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. GOOD HOMES COMMUNITY. UM, THANK YOU YOU STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, AND I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC COMMENTARY TODAY, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FEW MINUTES AFTERWARDS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE EXTRA CONTACT. UM, SO THIS IS A JUST SHY OF THREE ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG SAN PEDRO. UM, THIS IS ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE OF 2 81, UH, JUST NORTH OF RHAPSODY. UM, THIS IS AN EXISTING STUDIO STICK, EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. UM, SO BY ITS VERY NATURE, IT IS DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONS ALREADY FOR EXTENDED STAY USE. UM, THESE ARE, THESE ARE EXISTING STUDIO SUITES. UM, THEY HAVE KITCHENETTES. UM, THEY'RE BUILT AND DESIGNED AND INTENDED FOR LONGER TERM STAYS. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO TRANSITION THAT TO A SLIGHTLY LONGER TERM STAY, UM, FOR MINIMUM 12 MONTH LEASES FOR MULTI-FAMILY. UM, WANNA GIVE YOU ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE HERE. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST NORTH OF RHAPSODY, UM, 2 81 BISECTING, RHAPSODY AND SAND DOW. UM, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT CONTEXT FOR THIS PROJECT AND WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THIS [01:45:01] SITE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE, UM, FOR STRICTLY AFFORDABLE 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, ADAPTIVE FOR USE OF THIS EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, YES, WE ARE IN PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT. I WILL TOUCH ON, UM, AVIATION'S POSITION IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT UP AND DOWN RHAPSODY IN SANDOW YOU HAVE WHAT IS A FUNCTIONAL MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER FOR THE CITY. YOU HAVE THE AIRPORT, YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS, YOU HAVE OFFICES, YOU HAVE NONPROFITS, YOU HAVE SCHOOLS. UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE. UM, AND IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. UM, WE HAVE A SEVERE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE CITY. WE ALSO HAVE A SEVERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THIS CITY. UM, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY FROM SCRATCH GROUND UP. UM, IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT IN A STRICTLY AFFORDABLE, ENTIRELY AFFORDABLE PROJECT. UM, SO ADAPTIVE REUSE IS A REMEDY TO THAT. UM, THIS PROPERTY AS AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. UM, YOU WILL HEAR SOME COMMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME VOICEMAILS IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS. YOU WILL HEAR SOME COMMENTS TODAY ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT STABILITY, SECURITY, CRIME IN THE AREA. UM, THAT IS IN PART DUE TO THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND THIS MAJOR ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE THAT IS IN AND AROUND THIS PROPERTY, UP AND DOWN, RHAPSODY SANDOW, UP AND DOWN 2 81. UM, IT IS ALSO ANCHORED BY A WELL ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY. UM, AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOLISTICALLY, UM, WHERE WE WANT TO BE ENCOURAGING HOUSING. SO WE HAVE THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT ANCHORED COMMUNITY THERE. UM, SO THIS IS THE EXTENDED STAY. THIS IS THE STUDIO SIX. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A SINGULAR ONE-TO-ONE CONVERSION. WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. UM, WHICH IS IMPORTANT OF COURSE FOR THE AIRPORT. UM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE FULLY RENOVATING THIS PROPERTY, UPGRADING THOSE ROOMS, UPGRADING THE EXTERIOR FACADES, UPGRADING THE AMENITIES. SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU SEE IN A TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT ALREADY EXISTS HERE, ALREADY EXISTS ON SITE. THERE IS A POOL, THERE IS A GYM, THERE'S A LOBBY. UM, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF FUNCTIONAL FEATURES THAT MAKE A GOOD RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THRIVE ALREADY EXIST HERE. UM, THEY NEED SOME UPDATING. THIS PROJECT WAS BUILT IN 1986. UM, IT COULD USE A LITTLE LOVE. IT COULD ALSO REALLY BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME MORE STABILITY FOR THIS PROPERTY, FOR THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE. THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF VIEWS, UM, HERE AND I WILL SHOW, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING. UM, SO PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED C3 MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE IN THE CITY. UM, WE ARE NOT ARGUING THAT C3 IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, I THINK THE ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT IS THE MF 50 AND THE PROPOSED USE ALSO APPROPRIATE C3 IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE. THIS IS, YES IT IS ON SAN PEDRO, BUT THIS IS FUNCTIONALLY IF ANYBODY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN HERE. THIS IS FUNCTIONALLY IN THE FRONTAGE OF 2 81. UM, THAT IS WHERE YOU WANT HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. YOU DO NOT WANT IT RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, SO IT IS BUFFERED, IT IS INSULATED FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS, BUT THAT COMMUNITY IS ALSO THERE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, INCREASING HOUSING AND PARTICULARLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A C3 TO AN MF 50, AND THAT IS TO ALLOW US TO KEEP THE EXACT SAME NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY NOW AND MAINTAIN THAT OCCUPANCY LEVEL. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. UM, JUST FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT ORANGE THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS MAP IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, YES, COMPARED TO MF 18, MF 50 IS VERY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED SEVENTEEN THREE HUNDRED SIXTY SQUARE FOOT UNITS. UM, SO THAT IS REALLY AT THE VERY MOST, WHICH IS A STRETCH, A DOUBLE OCCUPANCY UNIT. UM, BUT THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY, IF NOT ENTIRELY SINGLE OCCUPANCY, UM, PROJECTS. YOU'RE TALKING SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY SITUATED THERE AND ALREADY ACCOMMODATED THERE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT. UM, BUT THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING THE BUSINESS PARK IS ESTABLISHED. IT MAKES SENSE. UM, AND THAT PIECE THAT IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS MF 33. THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DENSITY, THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE MID-LEVEL DENSITY WITH THAT PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ADJACENT TO OR A BUDDING SINGLE FAMILY, BUT FUNCTIONALLY ON THE HIGHWAY, FRONTAGE HIGHER DENSITY MAKES SENSE. UM, WE ARE ALSO NOT HERE TO ARGUE THAT THERE IS NOT MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA. THIS IS A MAP SHOWING JUST KIND OF A, A ROUGH DRAW OF MULTIFAMILY WITHIN A MILE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, OUR MARKET RESEARCH SHOWS ABOUT 3000 UNITS WITHIN A MILE OF THE PROPERTY, LESS THAN [01:50:01] 10% VACANCY. UM, WE HAVE LESS THAN 300 VACANT UNITS WITHIN A MILE OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, THESE ARE FUNCTIONALLY SINGLE OCCUPANCY UNITS. UM, THESE ARE STRICTLY AFFORDABLE, WHICH IS A HUGE GAP THAT WE DON'T HAVE FILLED, UM, IN THE CITY OR IN THIS AREA. UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 117 UNITS. UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING 117 UNITS OF STUDIO TO FOUR BEDROOM APARTMENTS. UM, THESE ARE, THESE ARE SINGLE STUDIOS, UM, OF 360 SQUARE FEET. UM, YES, THERE IS MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IN KIND OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WHERE IT IS SITUATED ON THE PERIPHERAL OF THOSE ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES ON THOSE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS. AND, AND THIS SITE IS NO DIFFERENT. UM, I DID MENTION WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS ACTIVELY WITH THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS IS THEIR FORMAL LETTER TO CITY STAFF, UM, THAT SAYS, VERIFIES THAT THE SITE DOES NOT LIE. IT IS NEXT TO, BUT NOT WITHIN THE 65 DECIBEL DAY, NIGHT LEVEL AVERAGE NOISE CONTOUR LINE. IT IS NEXT TO IT, NOT WITHIN IT. UM, BUT THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE CHANGE OF ZONING, UM, TO THIS SITE. THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED ZONING. UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WITH THEM ON A NAVIGATION EASEMENT. UM, THE WORD IS NAVIGATION, NOT NAVIGATION. I'M NOT MISSPEAKING, I PROMISE. UM, NAVIGATION EASEMENT IS A THING. UM, AND WE HAVE DONE IT ON PREVIOUS PROJECTS, UM, QUITE JUST ACROSS, UH, 2 81 OFF OF STANDOUT IN GLENDALE. UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS FAIRLY STANDARD PRACTICE, UM, PARTICULARLY WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT. AND I WILL ZOOM BACK REAL QUICK. UM, THIS R FIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE AIRPORT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS HERE. UM, OUR SITE IS OUTLINED HERE. THERE IS PROPERTY BETWEEN US AND AIRPORT OWNED PROPERTY. THERE IS PROPERTY BETWEEN US AND THE RUNWAYS. SO, UM, WE ARE NEAR THE AIRPORT. UM, THEY ARE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE EMPLOYER, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE RENOVATION OF THIS SITE TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, TO ADDRESS SOUND MITIGATION, NOISE CONCERNS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. UM, BUT WE ARE NEAR THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. UM, BUT WE ARE NOT NEXT TO THE AIRPORT AND WE ARE NOT WITHIN THAT CONTOUR LINE. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A ONE-TO-ONE CONVERSION OF EXTENDED STAY TO FULLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THOSE AMENITIES ARE ALREADY ON SITE ANY LESSER INTENSITY. UM, EXCUSE ME, LESSER DENSITY ZONING REQUESTS WOULD RESULT IN THE REDUCTION OF UNITS. SO AN MF 40, WE WOULD LOSE EIGHT UNITS. AN MF 33 WOULD BE 28. I WOULD ARGUE THAT AGAIN, BASED ON THIS PROXIMITY AT RHAPSODY AND SAN PEDRO FUNCTIONALLY THE FRONTAGE OF 2 81, THAT MF 50 IS APPROPRIATE. NOT TO SAY THAT THE C3 IS INAPPROPRIATE, BUT THE MF 50 IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE. UM, THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE. WE ARE TARGETING, UM, 30 TO 80% A MI AND I'LL KIND OF BREAK THAT DOWN 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY SUPER FUN AND INTERESTING. UM, BUT WE HAVE, THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY 75% AT 80% A MI, 20% OF UNITS AT 60. THERE ARE 5% OF UNITS, SO A HANDFUL OF THEM ARE AT 30% A MI. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST. SO THE HOUSING TRUST WILL OWN THE LAND GOOD HOMES ARE CLIENT WOULD BE THE LONG-TERM LESSEE. UM, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP, INCLUDING AFFORDABILITY, UM, INCLUDING PAYMENT INTO THE HOUSING TRUST, TENANT EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE FUND, UM, PARTICIPATION IN THE READY TO WORK PROGRAM. SO THIS IS NOT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS IS NOT JUST CHEAP HOUSING FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BUT THIS IS HOUSING THAT IS DESIGNED FOR THE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE OF OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND IT IS ALSO HOUSING DESIGNED WITH THOSE FACTORS IN THERE, UM, TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. THAT'S YOUR TIME. WHOA. SO FAST. SO FAST. I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS HERE, BUT THIS GOOD SLIDE. THANK YOU. YOU, YOU MADE GOOD USE OF IT. ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S BEGIN WITH THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM. APOLOGIES IF I'M READING THIS WRONG, BUT MONTGOMERY GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. MY NAME IS MONTGOMERY HOWARD. I LIVE AT 1 4 1 0 GRAY OAK DRIVE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, I'M HERE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND THIS TIME I'M HERE AS THE ACTING INTERIM PRESIDENT FOR THE, UH, GREATER HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, WE RECENTLY GOT AUTHORIZATION THROUGH A MEMBERSHIP MEETING TO STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION. UH, WE BELIEVE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, A LOT OF WHICH YOU'LL HEAR ON THE, ON THE PHONE END MESSAGES, UH, ABOUT ACCESS TO SERVICES IN THE AREA. I WANNA STAND HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING. UH, RIGHT [01:55:01] NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS A NONCONFORMING USE OF THE BUILDING AS IT STANDS NOW AS, AS A HOTEL. SIMPLY SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE IT MULTIFAMILY, I BELIEVE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INNOCUOUS ASSUMPTION. UH, IT'S VERY SMALL ROOMS, UH, INCONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER MARKET SPACES THAT EXIST AROUND. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S A ENCLAVE. UH, THEY WOULD PROPOSE THAT THIS IS AN ENCLAVE OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN AN, WITHIN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK SEPARATED FROM OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE READ ABOUT THE ZONING LANGUAGE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE TO IS THAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE A BUFFER BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE. IT'S ISOLATED WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND IN GENERAL TERMS, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THIS, OF THIS PROPERTY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL. THE CITY HAS TAKEN A STAND ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS TO BE THE APPROPRIATE USES FOR THIS. AND WE DISAGREE WITH THE APPLICATION THAT THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. AND I ALSO DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENTION THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS. UH, MY READING OF ALL THAT SAYS THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ALLOW THIS UNDER CURRENT ZONING, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE CHANGE. UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL OBSERVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF ON THIS. FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AND FROM THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR, OUR INFORMATION IS THAT THIS IS UNANIMOUS OPPOSITION TO THIS FROM OUR MEMBERSHIP AND FROM OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. HOWARD. RIGHT? ANY OTHER PERSONS PRESENT? I'M, NOPE. THAT IS ALL PERSON. DID YOU SIGN UP, MA'AM? NO. NO SIR. I WAS LATE. OKAY. YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES. OKAY. PLEASE SIGN UP IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LATE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JUST GO UP AND SIGN UP WITH THESE FOLKS OVER HERE. YEAH, WE CAN. WHEN WE CAN. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. HERE YOU GO. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. HERE'S A PEN AND SAY YOUR ADDRESS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ARE, CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME? NOPE. TRY, TRY HITTING THE BUTTON AGAIN. YEAH. THERE. WHAT HAPPENED? ALL RIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS JERRY PETERS. I AM A, A RESIDENT OF GREATER HARMONY HILLS. I LIVE AT SIX 12 STRINGS DRIVE. LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS. IT'S A CONDOMINIUM AND IT WAS, UH, AN AREA THAT WAS DESIGNED SO THAT WE COULD BE CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT AND, UM, AND HAVE OUR, OUR PRIVACY OF, OF, UH, WORKING ALL DAY AND COMING BACK INTO OUR HOMES AND THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN AND CLOSES AND WE CAN CHOOSE OUR TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORS OR NOT. WHAT I WANNA SAY IS, IS, UH, THIS, UH, TRANSFERRING OR TRANSFORMING A EXTENDED HOTEL, UH, EXTENDED STAY HOTEL TO MAKE IT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK. THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS A JOB AND WILL QUALIFY FOR LIVING IN A PLACE THAT IS NORMALLY $1,400. I'VE BEEN WITH A NEIGHBOR OF MINE, SHE WENT, WAS LOOKING FOR AN APARTMENT. AND $1,400 IS A VERY, VERY HIGH END APARTMENT. TWO BEDROOMS, FIREPLACE, ALL AND A WASHER AND DRYER. AND THIS IS A TINY LITTLE PLACE WHERE THERE IS, UH, THERE'S HARDLY ENOUGH ACCOMMODATIONS. WHAT IS UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THAT 360 SQUARE FEET? UH, UP TO FIVE PEOPLE, FIVE ADULTS COULD BE THERE. I HATE TO THINK OF THE CHILDREN WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED WITH THEIR, THE, THE HEARING, THE RATTLING, THE NOISE THAT IS CONSTANT. THE AIRPLANES, I, I, I HEAR THEM ALL THE TIME. SO 35 YEARS OF LIVING IN AN AREA, KNOWING WHAT CAN, UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE? THEY HAVE NO SCHOOL NEARBY. IT WOULD BE AT LEAST TWO MILES. THERE IS VIA, BUT I WANNA SAY THIS [02:00:01] IS NOT, IT'S INHUMANE TO HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN SUCH CLOSE QUARTERS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. PETERS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO Y'ALL. UH, WE CAN START THE VOICEMAILS AND GET THROUGH ABOUT 22 MINUTES OR WE CAN TAKE A BREAK NOW. TAKE A BREAK. ALRIGHT THEN, GIVEN THAT THIS IS OUR TRADITIONAL TIME TO TAKE A BREAK, IT IS 3 0 1, THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE'LL STAND IN RECESS FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES AND WE WILL RECONVENE TO CONTINUE HEARING THIS ITEM AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD RESUME YOUR SEATS. ALL VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS 3 0 9 AND THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BACK IN SESSION. UH, STAFF, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH THE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. I'D LIVE AT 1 2 5 WEST SILVER SANDS DRIVE 7 8 2 1 6. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE CASE NUMBER OF ZONING IS Z DASH 2 0 2 5 1 0 7 0 0 6 3. UM, MY VOTE ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE OR IS NO, I DON'T THINK REZONING THAT FOR, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING IS A GOOD IDEA CONSIDERING IT'S ALREADY, UM, A SHADY AREA WITH THAT LIQUOR STORE ON THE CORNER AND THE INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES IN THAT AREA DRIVING UP AND DOWN. NOW, HOW UN UNSAFE IT WOULD BE FOR CHILDREN OR FAMILIES IN THAT AREA IF, IF IT, IT WAS TO GO THROUGH IT'S VERY HIDING TRAFFIC AREA AND THERE IS NO MARKETS OR SHOPPING IN WALKING OR PARK IN A WALKING DISTANCE IN THAT AREA AT ALL. SO THAT IS MY VOTE. OR YEAH, THAT IS MY VOTE. I SAY NO THANK YOU. MESSAGES FOR SAMANTHA BENAVIDES REGARDING ZONING. CASE NUMBER Z DASH 2 0 2 5 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 6 3 FOR THE REZONING OF THE MOTEL SIX EXTENDED STAY LOCATED AT 1 1 2 2 1 SAN PEDRO AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO. I'M BOB KERR AND MY WIFE CINDY AND I LIVE AT 6 0 6 PRINCE DRIVE IN SAN ANTONIO. WE OWN TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AT 1 35 AND 1 38 BRAN AND THE BUSINESS PART JUST WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND WE FEEL THIS IS AN EXTREMELY POOR LOCATION FOR A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. ONE, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SURROUNDED BY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THREE SIDES WITH THE AIRPORT RUNWAY APPROACH TO THE NORTH AND IS FRONTED BY US 2 81 SURROUNDED LIKE THIS. HOW OR RESIDENTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SUPPOSED TO BLEND INTO THE COMMUNITY? TWO ACROSS US. 2 81. SINCE THE ENTIRE SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT COMPLEX AND ANOTHER LIKE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ANY COMMUNITY OVER THERE. THREE, DUE TO ITS LOCATION WITHIN A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, THIS SITE IS SUBJECT TO CONTINUOUS HEAVY COMMERCIAL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, WHICH PRESENTS AN UNSAFE AND UNDESIRABLE SITUATION FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. FOUR. NOISE FROM AIR TRAFFIC ASIDE FROM ROAD NOISE IS SIGNIFICANT AND CONSTANT. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. FIVE. THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN A SMALL COURTYARD. AND THE NEAREST POINT OF RECREATION IS WALKER RANCH PARK ON WEST AVENUE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF AWAY. SIX. THE NEAREST GROCERY STORES AT THE CORNER OF WEST AVENUE AND BLANCO, ABOUT 1.7 MILE WALK AWAY THROUGH A COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE INCIDENTALLY, THERE'S A LACK OF CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS. SEVEN HARMONY HILLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS ABOUT A DENNIS KCH. MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 7 1 2 PERSUASION DRIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, SEVEN EIGHT TWO ONE SIX. [02:05:01] MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 452-5277. THIS CONCERNS REZONING ACTION Z 2 0 2 5 1 0 7 0 0 0 6 3. THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1 1 2 2 1 SAN PEDRO. BOTH THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED THAT THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM C3 TO MS 50 BE DENIED BECAUSE OF ITS ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND THE PROJECT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THAT REQUEST. THE PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY A BUSINESS IN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT. IT IS UNSUITABLE FOR PERMANENT HUMAN HABITATION DUE TO NOISE AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY. ONE, THERE HAS BEEN NO ATTEMPT TO REZONING PROPONENT TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF NEARBY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TO EXPLAIN SIGNIFICANT DETAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT OTHER THAN AND DIRECTLY THROUGH THEIR ATTORNEY. WHILE THE PROPERTY IS PROMOTED TO BE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OCCUPANCY, IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT THE SUPER MAJORITY OF THE TENANTS WILL BE AT THE 80% OF A MI LEVEL INSTEAD OF THE STANDARD 60% A MI AFFORDABILITY THRESHOLD. MINIMUM PARKING SPACES OF 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX DAY OF THE UDC CANNOT BE ACHIEVED ON THE PREMISES. IT IS CURRENTLY AROUND 1.0 AND CANNOT BE EXPANDED. IT IS UNKNOWN IF ANY FORMAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY ASSESSMENTS TO DISCOVER POTENTIALLY ADVERSE CONDITIONS WHICH COULD AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF FUTURE TENANTS HAVE BEEN PERFORMED. IF SO, SUCH INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN DIVULGED THE IMPACT OF THE LOSS OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUE CURRENTLY REALIZED ON THE IMMEDIATE C 2K 0 6 3. THAT IS THE STUDIO SIX APARTMENTS AT 1 1 2 2 1 SAN PEDRO AVENUE. MY NAME IS GARY GIBBONS. I LIVE ON SANDMAN STREET IN HARMONY HILLS, THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. I ALSO OWN A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON R CITY DRIVE IN THE BEACON HILL INDUSTRIAL PARK. IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THIS FACILITY, THE BUSINESS PARK IS COMPRISED OF CLASS C BUILDINGS THAT ARE MOSTLY OWNER OPERATED WITH MANY OWNERS OR EMPLOYEES WHO LIVE NEARBY IN HARMONY HILLS. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING CHANGE. I WAS APPOINTED TO THE GREATER AIRPORT AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE WAS COMPRISED OF CITY STAFF, PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS AND CONSULTANTS AND AREA STAKEHOLDERS. WE MET FOR NEARLY 18 MONTHS TO CONSIDER THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTIES IN THIS REGION. WE RECENTLY CONCLUDED OUR WORK AND OFFERED IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS PLAN WILL BEGIN THE ADOPTION PROCESS SOON, BUT UNTIL THEN, THE AREA, THE LAND USE MUST BE EVALUATED BY THE SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT VICINITY PLAN, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED SEE BUSINESS, WHICH IS AN OUTLIER IN THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK. IT FRONTS ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY WITH THE ONLY ENTRANCE, THE ACCESS ROAD TO US HIGHWAY 2 81. IT IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL ZONING INCLUDING OUTDOOR STORAGE, METAL BUILDINGS, MACHINERY, CONSTRUCTION, CRANES AND AIRCRAFT REPAIR, THE VERY DI DEFINITION OF INDUSTRIAL, LOUD, DUSTY TRUCK TRAFFIC, BARBED WIRE SECURITY FENCING. THE PROPERTY IS IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND IS SUBJECT TO NOISE CONTOUR MONITORING. AS MENTIONED, IT FRONTS THE SIX LANE STATE HIGHWAY, A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION LANE, BRINGING GOODS AND SERVICES FROM MEXICO NORTH INTO THE HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER BERGNER. MY ADDRESS IS 1 2 5 WEST SILVER SANDS DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO ONE SIX. MY PHONE NUMBER IS AREA CODE (562) 455-3184. I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 5 0 7 0 0 0 63. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT I AM STRONGLY, STRONGLY AGAINST THE LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT IS NOT SUITABLE OR SAFE FOR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN OF ANY KIND. THERE'S TOO MUCH CRIME GOING ON IN THAT AREA ALREADY. AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS PROJECT TO CONTINUE. SO AGAIN, I AM STRONGLY AGAINST THIS LOW INCOME HOUSING AND AGAIN, THE CASE NUMBER IS, UH, Z 2 0 2 5 0 7 0 0 0 6 3. [02:10:04] UM, THANK YOU. AND, UM, THANKS FOR LETTING ME STATE WHAT MY, UH, OPINION IS ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE JOHN AND, AND ANNETTE WITH 1 18 0 1 PERSUASION DRIVE. IN REGARDS TO THE STUDIO SIX, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, OMIT OR, UM, PROPOSE NOT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A SECTION, UH, NEW PROPERTY THERE. UM, AGAIN, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE OPPOSING THE, UH, WE'D LIKE TO OPPOSE THAT THE, UH, UH, THE BUILDING OF A NEW, UH, SECTION APARTMENT THERE. AGAIN, THIS IS JOHN EN ANNETTE GARENA WITH 1 18 0 1 PERSUASION DRIVE. TODAY IS, UH, APRIL, UH, MAY 6TH TUESDAY. THANK YOU. WHOOPS. UM, I LIVE IN, UM, IN SHANNON VILLAGE, 6 33 DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 6. UM, AGAINST, UH, THIS IS, UH, REGARDING CASE NUMBER, UH, Z DASH 2 25 DASH OH 7 0 0 6 3. IT'S ABOUT THE STUDIO SIX EXTENDED STAY HOTEL ON SAN PEDRO. UM, REALLY NOT FOR THIS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, INTENSE, UM, AMOUNT OF HUMANS THAT'LL BE, UM, NEEDING SERVICES, UM, IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S, UM, MINIMAL ACCENTS ACCESS TO, UM, GROCERIES. UM, THE PARKING LOT WILL BE JAMMED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SAY EACH, EACH, UH, LITTLE MOTEL ROOM OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY CHANGE IT TO. WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST TWO CARS THERE. UM, IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN, THE CHILDREN WILL HAVE NO PLACE TO PLAY IN THAT AREA. THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY THAT THEY'LL BE OUT ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST DON'T THINK IT, IT'S, UH, A WISE MOVE TO, TO HAVE LOTS OF, UH, LOT MORE PEOPLE LIVING SO CLOSE TOGETHER, UM, IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU NO TO Z 2 0 2 5 107 6 3. IT'S REGARDING MOTEL SIX. THANK YOU NURSE. THIS IS PATTY GIBBONS. I'M FROM 1 1 6 1 8 STAN MAN, THE HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE CASE ON THE STUDIO SIX EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. LAST THREE DIGITS ARE 0 6 3. UH, THIS EXTENDED STAY CURRENTLY IS, UM, USED AS A, AS A TRANSIENT UH, MOTEL FOR THOSE WHO COME IN FROM THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. IN FACT, THE AIRPLANES FLY DIRECTLY OVER IT. AIRPLANES ARE VERY LARGE, LOUD, LOUD. THEY'RE LOUD AND LARGE. UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST GET COMMERCIAL AIRPLANES, BUT WE ALSO GET POLICE AIR FORCE. WE ALSO GET MILITARY AIRPLANES THAT COME IN, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CAN OFTEN COME IN AT MIDNIGHT OR LATER. SO THE NOISE LEVEL, WHETHER YOU PUT A CALIBER THERE OR WHETHER THEY SAY IT'S NOT IN THE NOISE ZONE, IT IS IN THE NOISE ZONE, SO TO SAY. IT'S NOT IN A NOISE ZONE, IT'S JUST THERE. UM, IT'S ALSO VERY NOISY FROM THE, UH, 2 81 BECAUSE IT FACES THE 2 81 HIGHWAY IN THE BACK OF THIS IS NO BACK IS NO BACKYARD. THERE'S NOWHERE TO DO ANYTHING. IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL. IT'S WASTE. IT'S THIS, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST A LOT OF WASTED BACK THERE. IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S WHAT THAT BEACON HILL WAS DESIGNED FOR. WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF GREATER HARMONY HILLS TO MAINTAIN OUR BEACON HILL BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE A LOT OF US WORK THERE. WE HAVE OWN BUSINESSES, WE OWN BUILDINGS, AND WE WORK THERE AND WE LIVE IN HARMONY HILLS. TO MAKE A RESIDENTIAL IN THERE IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE NORM, IS COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE, AND THERE IS NO CARE AND NO COMPASSION FOR, TO PUT ANYONE THERE TO LIVE IN ANY TYPE OF SITUATION LIKE THAT. I GET IT. I READ THESE ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES. WE HAVE THE PAIA APARTMENTS DOWN THE STREET THAT IS NOW FILED BANKRUPTCY THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE [02:15:01] ON THE MARKET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS. YES, THIS IS PATTY SPAN. UM, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 5 1 5 SIARA COURT, 7 8 2 1 6 IN GREATER HARMONY HILLS. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 284-1492. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE CASE NUMBER ENDING IN 0 0 6 3. UM, IN REFERENCE TO, UH, THE, UH, EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, I THINK THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA. IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY FOR A REASON. IT WOULD INCREASE, UH, TRAFFIC AND PARKING PROBLEMS OVER THERE AND THAT ENVIRONMENT. IT, THERE ARE NO GROCERY STORES NEAR THAT ENVIRONMENT. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PLACE LOW INCOME HOUSING IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE. IT'S A LOSE LOSE SITUATION FOR BOTH PARTIES. THANK YOU. THIS IS RON TRAVIS WITH RUCO LC. WE OWN PROPERTY AT THREE 15 WEST NACOMA. I AM CALLING TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 5 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 6 3 REGARDING THE REZONING OF THE STUDIO SIX EXTENDED STATE HOTEL AT 12 2 11 SAN PEDRO AVENUE TO ALLOW LOW RENT HOUSING. THIS PROPOSED, UH, CHANGE WOULD RAISE SERIOUS CONCERNS INCLUDING INCREASED VANDALISM, WHICH WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE AREA, HEAVIER TRAFFIC CONGESTION, PARTICULARLY AS IT APPROACHES THE TURBO DRIVE AREA AND A LIKELY DECREASE IN THE PROPERTY VALUES, PARTICULARLY FOR THE NEARBY INDUSTRIAL PARK I OWN, AND MY SON AND, UH, SISTER AND BROTHER, COLLECTIVELY ABOUT A DOZEN PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK. THESE IMPACTS WOULD HARM OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THESE CONSEQUENCES AND VOTE AGAINST THE REZONING REQUEST. AGAIN, MY NAME IS RON TRAVIS. MY NUMBER IS TWO TEN SIX FIVE ONE SIX NINE THREE FIVE. THANK YOU. AND THAT IS IT FOR VOICEMAILS. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. MS. WEISLER, A BRIEF REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL BE EXTREMELY BRIEF. UM, JUST WANTED TO, UM, GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW. UM, GOOD HOMES COMMUNITY IS OUR CLIENT. UM, THEY HAVE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I WILL SPEED THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. UM, WHERE THEY TAKE UNDERUTILIZED UNDER OCCUPIED FAILING HOSPITALITY AND OR SENIOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, UM, AND RENOVATE THEM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THESE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, FOUR TO VERY DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMUNITIES. UM, ALL WITHIN, AROUND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THESE TARGET MARKETS, UM, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, MANUFACTURING AIRPORTS, COLLEGES, UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IN ADDITION TO THE ANCHORED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IS ALSO THE PUBLIC TRANSIT. UM, THE, THE GOOGLE MAPS LOCATION DOESN'T DO A JUSTICE. UM, BUT WITHIN STEPS OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS A BUS STOP, FOUR VIA TRANSIT LINE, THE 5 0 2 AND THE 6 0 2 LINE, UM, WHICH IS A MAJOR TRANSIT LINE ACROSS THE CITY. UM, IT ALSO CONNECTS TO THE 6 48. UM, SO TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES HERE ARE LITERALLY WITHIN FOOTSTEPS OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THIS PROJECT. SO THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, UM, DOWN, DOWN RHAPSODY TO WEST AVENUE, OVER TO BLANCO. UM, THERE'S A GROCERY STORE THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY. UM, BUT THIS ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS FUNCTIONALLY EAST AND WEST ACROSS THIS CITY. YOU CAN GET TO RANDOLPH, YOU CAN GET TO THE MEDICAL CENTER. UM, YOU CAN GET KIND OF ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN, UM, FROM THESE MAJOR LINES. UM, AND CONNECTING THROUGH THE NORTH STAR MAIN TRANSIT CENTER. SO THAT PUBLIC ACCESS AND THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT ACCESS IS HERE. IT'S WELL ESTABLISHED. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THE, THE UNITS THEMSELVES, THE OCCUPANCY. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS 117 UNITS, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE OCCUPANCY. UM, AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MS. WEISLER, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT HAVING FAMILY UNITS? YES. SO, UH, SORRY, THERE'S A LOT OF SLIDES HERE. UM, AND, AND STAFF MAY ALSO WANT TO CHIME IN, UM, ON PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CODE. UM, THESE ARE 360 SQUARE FOOT UNITS. UM, THAT IS WHAT'S THERE NOW. THAT IS ALL WE ARE CHANGING. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING STRUCTURAL ON THIS PROPERTY OR THOSE UNITS THEMSELVES. UM, SO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CODE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL SPACE, UM, FOR ANYWHERE MORE THAN AT [02:20:01] THE VERY MOST, UH, DOUBLE OCCUPANCY UNIT. UM, THESE ARE FUNCTIONALLY SINGLE OCCUPANCY UNITS. UM, THIS IS NOT DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES. UM, THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS FOR FAMILIES. THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS FOR SENIORS. UM, THIS IS DESIGNED FOR, UM, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. AND THAT IS SINGLE OCCUPANCY ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING. WILL THAT BE A PART OF A SCREENING PROCESS TO, TO HAVE SINGLE OCCUPANCY? CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KELLEN. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES, I SURPRISED YOU. SORRY. OH NO, I CAUGHT YOU BED BY . NO, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, YOU ADDRESSED, UH, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE ACCESS TO THE, UH, NORTH STAR MALL VIA HUB. UM, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? HOW WILL THE RESIDENTS? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A COUPLE OF MILES. YES. OKAY. UM, AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD QUALIFY FOR BEST ACCESS, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT DESIGNED FOR OR ATTENDED FOR FAMILIES, UM, OR CHILDREN. UM, THIS IS REALLY SINGLE PERSON LIVING. UM, BUT UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH NORTHEAST ISD, UM, ABOUT TRANSPORTATION TO A SCHOOL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANYONE FURTHER ON MY RIGHT? I DON'T MEAN DISTANCE, I MEANT ANYONE ADDITIONAL. UM, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER'S ON MY LEFT. QUESTIONS. UH, ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES, MA'AM. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD A COUPLE OF MORE SLIDES IN YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, WHAT PERCENT OF JMI ARE YOU TARGETING HERE? YES, SO THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT ALL 117 UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE. UM, I'M GONNA, IF THIS HELPS THE MOST, UM, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 30 TO 80% A MI, UH, RANGE. SO ABOUT 5% OF THOSE UNITS, ABOUT SIX UNITS WILL BE THE 30% A MI. THAT'S, AND I THINK THIS GRAPHIC IS REALLY HELPFUL, HONESTLY. ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE, SINGLE OR DEBIT, OCCUPANCY, UM, HOUSEHOLDS, UM, ARE PICTURE, UH, PERFECT FOR WHAT THIS PROJECT IS MEANT FOR. UM, A 75-YEAR-OLD RETIREE, RETIREE, UM, ON SOCIAL SECURITY, UM, A MAINTENANCE LEAD AT A LOCAL NONPROFIT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM HERE. UM, BIG BROTHER, BIG SISTER AS WELL, A CHILDCARE SPECIALIST. UM, SO 20% OF THE UNITS, SO ABOUT 23 UNITS WOULD BE AT THE 60% A MI UH, THRESHOLD. AND 75% OF THE UNITS, ABOUT 88 UNITS WOULD BE AT 80%. UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE FOR A SINGLE PERSON AT 30%, UM, IS ABOUT $465 A MONTH, SO LESS THAN 500. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE OCCUPANCY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A RANGE OF LESS THAN 500 TO ABOUT $1,200 A MONTH, UM, AFFORDABLE. BUT THAT IS PART OF THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSING TRUST IS THAT THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE. OKAY. SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, NOTHING AT MARKET. NOTHING MARKET. OKAY. SO ARE YOU, UH, ARE, IS THIS GONNA BE A PFC OR AN H? FC? PFC. OKAY. AND SO, UH, AND, AND I ASSUME THAT THE, THE, THE DEAL WITH THE HOUSING TRUST IS SUBJECT TO THIS ZONING CHANGE? YES. OKAY. UM, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS ZONING CHANGE, WE WILL EFFECTIVELY TAKE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE OFF THE TAX ROLLS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. COMMISSIONER BARROS, I'M JUST GONNA WAIT FOR COMMENTS. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER WITT. UM, CURRENTLY I, THERE WAS SOME, A COMMENT ABOUT PARKING. IT SAID THAT THERE'S PARKING RATIO IS JUST ONE TO, UH, 100 OR SOMETHING, ONE. SO YOUR REQUIRED PARKING ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IS PROBABLY 160 SPACES, PLUS OR MINUS, UH, STAFF. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M HAPPY TO CHIME IN. I CAN CHIME IN. YES. A DUAL QUESTION. HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE NOW? THERE'S 127 ON SITE. UM, PARKING IS BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS. WE HAVE 117 UNITS. UM, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, THERE IS A, A FUNCTIONAL RANGE, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S, UM, JOB IS TO DETERMINE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN ONE TO ONE, SO ONE UNIT, UM, TO ONE SPACE OR ONE AND A HALF UNITS. UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN OUR MANY MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND STAKEHOLDERS HERE, IS THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. WE CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE IF WE DO NOT MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO [02:25:01] IF THERE IS A DEFICIT, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS POINT. UM, WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE. UM, BUT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING PARTICULARLY, UM, CONSIDERING THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE ARE AIMING FOR HERE, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, AND WITH THE WAY THE CODE, UM, IS WRITTEN, BUT, UM, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS PARKING AND IF THE, THAT WOULD FUNCTIONALLY BE THROUGH A VARIANCE, UM, IF NECESSARY THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH WOULD BE A SECONDARY PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. SO THE PARKING STANDARD IS 1.5 FOR A MULTIFAMILY IS A MINIMUM. SO IF, UH, SHE'S REQUESTING 117 UNITS, THAT WOULD EQUAL OUT TO 176, UH, PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW, THE MOST THEY COULD PROBABLY GET WOULD BE ABOUT 80 UNITS ON THERE UNDER CURRENT PARKING STANDARDS AT ONE AND A HALF. THAT SOUNDS, THAT MOUTH SOUNDS CORRECT? YES. YES. UM, APPROXIMATELY 84 UNITS. SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS KIND OF FOR STAFF. UM, IF THIS WAS CHANGED TO MULTIFAMILY, UH, DOES THAT HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT SURROUND IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CAN DO IN THE FUTURE IF THEY'VE NOW ADJACENT TO, UH, MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, UH, FENCING USES, ET CETERA? CORRECT. UM, IF THEY WERE TO RENOVATE OR REBUILD ANY OF THE, UM, EXISTS SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL ASPECTS, NOW WE DON'T ENFORCE CURRENT CODE FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES. BUT AGAIN, IF IT, IF SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE REBUILT OR REDEVELOPED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY WITH CURRENT CODE AND THAT WOULD IMPLY YES, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, HIGHER BUFFERS, LARGER BUFFERS, UM, HEIGHT STANDARDS, SETBACKS, UM, ET CETERA. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. COMMISSIONER WATSON, MS. WEISER. SO, UM, YOU REFERRED TO THIS AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THE APPROPRIATE DEFINITION FOR THAT AND APPRECIATE YOU USING, UM, THE GRAPHIC THAT, UH, HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES. SO WE HAVE A SENSE OF THAT. UH, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, CONFIRM WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THE SAME THING AS SECTION EIGHT HOUSING OR NOT? NO. SO TO CONFIRM, THIS IS NOT A SECTION EIGHT HOUSING PROJECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROPERTY? UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S A STUDIO SIX EXTENDED STAY. UM, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL OCCUPANCY RATE? WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, POTENTIAL CHANGE? ABUSE OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, OCCUPANCY, UM, IS EXTREMELY LOW. UM, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS PRO THIS PROPERTY, UM, IN ITS CURRENT STATE IS IS QUITE FRANKLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. IT'S ALSO NOT SUPPORTIVE IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. UM, THERE IT IS EXTREMELY TRANSIENT, UM, AND NOT, UM, PARTICULARLY OCCUPIED BY, UH, AIRPORT TRAVELERS. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS, I THINK YOU HEARD THEM IN VOICEMAILS TODAY ABOUT SAFETY AND SECURITY ON SITE. UM, THOSE ARE PRE-EXISTING ISSUES. UM, AND THAT IS DUE TO THE FUNCTION OF THE SITE RIGHT NOW. UM, SO, UM, OUR HOPE IS TO BRING IN THAT LONG-TERM STABILITY, UM, WITH LONG-TERM RESIDENTS HERE. UM, THANK YOU. AND THEN CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR OUTREACH PROCESS THAT YOU'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS? YES. UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS. WE HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS, WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, WE HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. UM, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS. UM, WE HAVE HAD A BAJILLION EMAILS, UH, PHONE CALLS. UM, OUR MOST RECENT MEETING WAS LAST WEEK. UM, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE IS ALSO THE HARMONY HILLS CABANA CLUB. IT'S A COMMUNITY POOL. UM, SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION. UM, I I I WOULD SAY RESPECTFULLY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF VARYING OPINIONS. UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND AND WE RESPECT KIND OF ALL SIDES OF THOSE OPINIONS AND PERSPECTIVES ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THERE ARE VARYING OPINIONS HERE, THOUGH, UM, OF PEOPLE WHO, UM, UNDERSTAND AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS OPPOSITION. IT IS NOT SINGULAR AND OBSOLETE. UM, UH, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OPINIONS HERE AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. THERE HAS BEEN AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION CIRCULATED ABOUT WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, WHO IT IS INTENDED TO HOUSE, WHY IT IS HOUSING THESE PEOPLE. UM, AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD, UM, PARTICULARLY THE LAST TWO MONTHS, UM, ON KIND OF CORRECTING THAT INFORMATION, PROVIDING THE CLARITY, PROVIDING THE DATA, UM, AND IT HAS BEEN [02:30:01] EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS. UM, AND WE REMAIN IN CONTACT WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA KEEP YOU UP HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, SO JUST F**K UP. UM, THE OTHER, UH, SO YOU WERE DOING THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, UM, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING. UM, IN TERMS OF THINKING THROUGH THE PROJECT AND WHO THE TARGET AUDIENCE IS, UM, IS THERE, WHAT KIND OF PLANNING OR DISCUSSION HAVE YOU DONE ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT VET, UM, AND ACCEPT THE TENANTS? UM, AND HOW, UH, DO YOU SEE THAT OPERATING AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST IS ALSO INVOLVED WITH? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, AND THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT, UM, AND THE WORK THAT GOOD HOMES DOES WITH THE HOUSING TRUST DIRECTLY. UM, THOSE ARE NOT CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE DIRECTLY BEEN PRIVY TO. UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT IN THE WAY THAT IT IS STRUCTURED, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, A THREE TO SIX MONTH KIND OF TIMEFRAME TO BE ABLE TO LEASE UP THIS PROJECT WITH THE RENOVATIONS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. UM, PART OF, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROJECT IS PARTICIPATION AND READY TO WORK. UM, SO THERE, I BELIEVE IN MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSING TRUST AND WITH GOOD HOMES, THIS IS NOT THEIR FIRST PROJECT, BY THE WAY, IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, YOU ALL MAY RECALL THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, UM, BEFORE THIS COMMISSION LAST YEAR, UM, IN THE MEDICAL CENTER FOR AN UNDER OCCUPIED, UH, SENIOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. SO, UM, THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE HERE. UM, THAT'S PART OF THEIR WORK WITH THE HOUSING TRUST IS SETTING UP THOSE, THOSE PARAMETERS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE RIGHT RESOURCES IN THERE AND THE RIGHT OCCUPANCY IN THERE AND DO THAT OUTREACH. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN. OKAY. BUT IS IT SAFE TO SAY, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT, UH, AS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIPS AROUND THIS PROJECT, THAT THERE IS AN INTENDED PIPELINE AND THOUGHT PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS WHO MAY BE AT RISK OF LOSING HOUSING OR MAY EXPERIENCE OBSTACLES TO TYPICAL, UM, RENTALS OR HOUSING THAT ARE IN SOMETHING LIKE THE READY TO WORK PROGRAM OR GETTING STARTED IN A NEW PROFESSION WOULD HAVE ACCESS AND BE WHO WOULD BE PRIORITIZED? ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. UM, SINCE YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND RETROFITTING, UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, IN LIGHT OF YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT AND UM, THE OTHER USES IN THE AREA, CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF THAT RENOVATION PROCESS AND ANY OTHER PERMITTING, UM, OR OTHER KINDS OF CITY PROCESSES THAT YOU MIGHT GO THROUGH THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OR BE UNIQUE TO THIS PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY. SO, SORRY, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF SLIDES, UM, HERE. SO, UM, THIS IS A GOOD KIND OF OVERVIEW OF BRAND STANDARD, UM, RENOVATIONS THAT YOU CAN EXPECT. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE EXTERIOR, UM, THERE WILL BE EXTERIOR WORK, UM, WINDOW IMPROVEMENTS FOR SOUND ATTENUATION PURPOSES, UM, FULLY EQUIPPED KITCHENS. WE WILL BE UPGRADING ALL OF THOSE APPLIANCES, REHABBING THOSE ROOMS, UM, AND UPGRADING THOSE AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THIS IS A GOOD IDEA OF, OF WHAT THOSE UNITS LOOK LIKE PAST, UM, ONCE THEY'VE BEEN RENOVATED. UM, AND THE STUDIO'S FLOOR PLAN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, SO WE WILL BE, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A LONG SERIES OF STEPS. UM, SO FOR FOLLOWING ZONING, UM, WE WOULD GO TO PERMITTING FOR THE RENOVATIONS. UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'D ALSO DO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS ADDRESS PARKING, UM, AS NECESSARY. AND, UM, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH THE HOUSING TRUST. UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A, A VERY SHORT TERM TURNAROUND FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, AND SOMETHING THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IN ANY OTHER SCENARIO, UM, AS OUR EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO CLOSE THE HOUSING GAP THAT WE HAVE. UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME. ALRIGHT. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PRO PROPERTY CODE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE LEASE RESTRICTIONS, UH, WHEN PEOPLE OCCUPY THIS AREA. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. CORRECT. AND SO WITHIN THOSE LEASE RESTRICTIONS WILL BE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS AS THERE ARE IN I THINK, EVERY OTHER LEASE? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO TRY TO FORCE SAY, FIVE PEOPLE INTO ONE OF THESE UNITS, THAT WOULD BE A BREACH OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT, PRESUMABLY? YES. OKAY. AND THEY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE A LEASE? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND WHAT IS THE, UH, APPROXIMATE PRICE POINT ON THESE UNITS PER SQUARE FOOT OR WITH RESPECT TO SQUARE FEET? I COULD TELL YOU THAT REALLY QUICK IN MY, MY 75, UM, PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY NOTE SAYS ABOUT $2 AND 40 CENTS. $2 AND 40 CENTS? CORRECT. OKAY. AND [02:35:01] HOPE THAT MATH IS RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE IS FOR SAN ANTONIO FOR? UM, I DO NOT. OKAY. I'M SO SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. MY APOLOGIES. UH, OKAY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ QUESTIONS? YES. UM, ALRIGHT, SO I HEARD YOU SAY WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE. SO THERE'S A DISTINCTION, RIGHT? CITIZEN WORKFORCE USUALLY 60 TO 80% A MI IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE? SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, THAT IS A, A GOOD PORTION. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, A, A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT THAT IS AT 30% A MI. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, 95%, THAT'S HOW THAT MATH WORKS. YEAH. UM, IS BETWEEN 60 AND 80% A MI. SO THERE IS A, A SECTION OF UNITS, UM, 5% OF THE PROJECT WILL BE AT 30% A MI, BUT THE BULK OF THE PROJECT WILL BE 60 TO 80, NOTHING MORE THAN 80. OKAY. AND SO WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE, UH, THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE WILL BE TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS. WHAT ARE THEY CURRENTLY PAYING IN TAXES? I THINK, HOLD ON. I DON'T WANNA, I'M BEING COMPLETELY WRONG. AND WHEN I THOUGHT I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK. UM, JAMES, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW TWO SECONDS AND JAMES WILL ANSWER. I JUST DON'T WANNA BE COMPLETELY WRONG. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. CAN YOU SING? CAN I SING? OH GOD, NO. . SO SORRY. WELL, AND AND LET ME ASK YOU THIS WHILE WE'RE FINDING OUT HOW MUCH THEY CURRENTLY PAY IN TAXES IS THE DEAL WITH THE HOUSING TRUST, UH, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER? IS IT A 15 YEAR DEAL, 75 YEAR DEAL, OR HOW LONG IS THE, UH, LEASE TERM THE HOUSING TRUST? 60. OKAY. IS THERE ANY CHANGES AFTER YEAR 15? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NOT TO OUR UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PROPERTY TAX NUMBER. I'M SO SORRY. HE MIGHT FIND IT. ALRIGHT, WELL, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO GET THAT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, COMMISSIONER. HE KNOWS A QUICK QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ACTUALLY FOR THE, UH, INTERIM PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, WAS IT GREATER HARMONY HILLS IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, MR. HOWARD, IF YOU'D COME UP? YES, SIR. JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION. UM, WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS, BECAUSE THIS SITS WITHIN YOUR BOUNDARIES, CORRECT? IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES, BUT IT'S CLOSE. OKAY. IS THAT'S WHY I GUESS THEY SAID THERE WAS MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND. UH, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THAT AREA OR AT THAT LOCATION? WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE PROTECTIONS FOR US ON THAT. UH, WHEN, UH, BUT NO, IN GENERAL, LIKE WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? A BECAUSE KIR I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD, WELL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EXISTING ZONING TO REMAIN. IF THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH, I THINK A PROTECTION FOR US WOULD BE TO GIVE IT A NON-CONFORMING USE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS EXPERIENCE. BECAUSE IF THIS FAILS AND THE ZONING CHANGES TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S LIABLE TO FAIL IN THAT LOCATION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT CURRENTLY IT'S A MOTEL, RIGHT? IT'S CURRENTLY A MOTEL. LIKE SHE SAID, IT WAS BUILT IN 86, I SAW 85. THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCES WERE A LOT DIFFERENT BACK THEN AND PROBABLY ALLOWED THIS THING TO BE LOCATED THERE. OUR CONCERN IS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AMONG OURSELVES, IS TO LOOK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET SOME KIND OF PROTECTION FOR US IN THE FUTURE IF THIS PROJECT FAILS. WE'RE NOT HEARING THAT NOW. WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT NOW. THAT HAS NOT COME UP IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. AND I DO WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR REACHING OUT TO US. ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE OPPOSITION TO THIS AMONG OUR GROUP HAS BEEN UNI UNIVERSAL. GOTCHA. UM, THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY, YOU GIVE THE NATURE OF WHAT I'M SENSING HERE. WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET A WORKABLE SOLUTION FOR US TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS ON THIS PROPERTY AND OUR, AND PROTECT US AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CO COHESIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF THIS, IF THIS PROJECT FAILS IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING OR TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL ZONING, LET THIS HAPPEN. AND IF IT FAILS AND THERE'S MORE CHANGES IN USE IN THE FUTURE, THEN IT GOES BACK TO CURRENT ZONING. WE GET MORE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ON IN THAT SPACE RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. HOWARD. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. UM, IT'S $100,568 IS WHAT THEY'RE PAYING IN TAXES NOW IS THE ANSWER TO THAT NUMBER? A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. OKAY. SO IT'S CURRENTLY BEING PAID TO THE CITY. WE APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE OR AS PART OF THE PROPERTY TAXES. UH, SO ASSUMING WE APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, THAT'S THE TOTAL TAXES. I WOULD LIKE THE, THE TOTAL PROPERTY TAX. RIGHT. SO A PORTION OF THAT, A PORTION IS THE CITY TAX, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. BUT, UH, [02:40:01] BUT WE VOTE TO APPROVE AND THAT COMES, THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE COMES OFF THE TAX ROLL. LET LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS MODEL. DO THEY TYPICALLY BUILD, UH, THIS TYPE OF HOUSING ON EXISTING STRUCTURES OR DO THEY BUILD FROM THE GROUND UP? NO, THAT IS THEIR, THEIR, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT THEY'VE BUILT, UM, FROM THE GROUND UP, BUT THEIR FUNCTIONAL ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL IS ON ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THOSE FAILING OR UNDERUTILIZED UNDER OCCUPIED HOSPITALITY OR SENIOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE STRUCTURALLY, FUNCTIONALLY ALREADY HAVE THE BONES FOR MULTIFAMILY USE. UH, AND WHEN YOU VISITED WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, WE JUST HEARD FROM, UH, HARMONY HILLS, BUT WERE, WERE THERE ANY MEETINGS WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS IN OPPOSITION, UH, WITH SPECIFIC REQUESTS OR SPECIFIC ASK ASKS THAT YOU COULD COME TO SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION, UH, TO MITIGATE THE OPPOSITION? THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. TO DATE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED. UM, I WILL SAY THAT AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A SINGULAR QUESTION ABOUT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO FURTHER CONTROL THE OCCUPANCY LIMIT. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT YOUR PURVIEW. UM, I UNDERSTAND MR. COVENANTS ARE NOT THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. UM, THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE CONVERSATION AND THE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR ANY SORT OF OTHER SORT OF CONDITIONS OF THAT. UM, AND THEIR POSITION, UM, WAS JUST INFORMED, UH, THROUGH THE CITY TO US YESTERDAY. UM, SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, ANYTHING FURTHER? NOT AT THIS TIME. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER TSET. WELL THIS IS THE LAST TIME, SO THIS IS IT. THIS IS PROBABLY FOR, UH, MR. HOWARD. UH, I HEARD WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT Y'ALL MIGHT ACCEPT SOME TYPE OF HOUSING IF, IS THERE A LOWER DENSITY THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT THAT LESS THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING? OR IS THAT, DID I MISUNDERSTAND? WE DON'T HAVE A FULLY DEVELOPED AGENDA ON THAT YET. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE VOTE OF OUR MEMBERSHIP THAT I WAS AUTHORIZED TO DO, THE BOARD WAS AUTHORIZED TO DO WAS IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE ON SOME OF THESE FACTORS, WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN AND WE'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY BEFORE THIS ENDS. OUR INITIAL POSITION WAS AN OPPOSITION TO IT. HOWEVER, IF IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS TO HELP PROTECT OUR RIGHTS AS WELL AS THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT. SO, SO UNDER CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THE MOST THEY COULD PROBABLY DO WOULD BE ABOUT 75 OR 80 UNITS THAT MIGHT BE CLOSER TO SOMETHING Y'ALL MIGHT THINK ABOUT? UH, IT'S POSSIBLE WE WOULD NEED TO, I MEAN, IT WOULD REQUIRE CONVERSATION. I'M NOT WILLING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT TO TALKING ABOUT THIS FURTHER, ALTHOUGH, BUT WHAT I STILL WILL REQUEST IS THAT WE GET SOME KIND OF PERMANENT PROTECTION ON FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY IF THIS FAILS. GOOD. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER WATSON, MR. HOWARD? YES, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME, UH, ENLIGHTENMENT ON IS WHAT, UH, PROCESS FOR LAND USE DECISIONS DOES YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION USE? YOU MENTIONED UNIVERSALITY AND UNANIMITY, UNANIMOUS HAVING A UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT IN OPPOSITION. WE'LL JUST SAY THAT 'CAUSE IT'S AN EASIER THING TO SAY AND APPARENTLY I CAN'T SPEAK TODAY. UM, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME, UM, IN TERMS OF INTERPRETING HOW YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING THIS CASE AND THE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATION'S MEMBERSHIP AND LAND USE PROCESSES. OKAY. I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH ALL OF THAT, BUT, UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO PRESENT, UH, A PROPOSED PROJECT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL USE TO EVALUATE THOSE UM, PRESENTATIONS, SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOUR COMMUNITY AND THEN MAKE A DECISION? WHAT WE DID AT OUR MEMBERSHIP MEETING, WHICH IS THE LAST MEETING SHE WAS REFERRING TO AT THE CONA CLUB, UH, WE LET, WE INVITED THEM TO COME GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. WE EXCUSED THEM FROM THE ROOM AFTER THE PRESENTATION WAS HAD AND WE DID OUR INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS ON, ON THE MATTER BEFORE WE VOTED ON IT. UH, THIS IS A VOTING VOTE OF OUR MEMBERSHIP, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. BUT PART OF THAT MOTION WAS THAT IF AN OPPORTUNITY COMES UP WHERE THIS BEGINS TO MOVE THROUGH, THAT WE ARE STILL AUTHORIZED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROCESS TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO HELP PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR REGION AND THE CITY. UH, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED ON IT, UH, ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED THE MEETING, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ONE MORE TIME PLEASE. UM, SO AS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT IN THE PAST, UM, THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION. UH, WHEN YOU TAKE A VOTE, IS IT SUBJECT ONLY TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE ATTENDING THE MEETING THAT ARE AMONG YOUR MEMBERSHIP? OR DO YOU DO AN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH PROCESS WHERE YOU REACH OUT TO THE WHOLE ALL OF THE [02:45:01] NEIGHBORS THAT MIGHT BE ON YOUR MEMBERSHIP ROLES AND HAVE THEM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO? WE TOOK SEPARATE POLLS IN THAT MEETING. THE FIRST WAS A POLL OF THE MEMBERSHIP. THE SECOND ONE WAS A POLL OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHO WERE WITH US. IN BOTH CASES, OPPOSITION WAS UNANIMOUS, BUT THE MOTION WAS TO OPPOSE THIS FORMALLY, BUT TO LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF NEGOTIATING IN THE FUTURE, THAT BECOMES A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. AND THEN, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED PROTECTIONS FOR US SEVERAL TIMES, UM, FROM WHAT YOU'VE SHARED SO FAR, THE THING THAT I UNDERSTAND YOU THAT MEET MEETING, UM, WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, UH, UM, HAVING A NON-CONFORMING USE, UH, REQUIREMENT. CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY PROTECTIONS FOR US AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE SPECIFICALLY? UM, I THINK COMM COMMISSIONER HESO WAS TRYING TO GET AT THIS A LITTLE BIT IN HIS EARLIER QUESTION. WHAT, IN TERMS OF PROTECTING YOUR RIGHTS OR YOUR PROTECTIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHAT SPECIFIC THINGS DO YOU WANT TO SEE AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE, THE EXISTING ZONING STAY IN PLACE. UH, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IS WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT ZONING TO STAY IN PLACE AND STILL ALLOW THIS USE TO HAPPEN ON, ON THE CHANCE THAT IF THIS FAILS OR TURNS INTO A PROBLEM AND THE PROPERTY FLIPS AND ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR CHANGE IN OCCUPANCY OR A CHANGE IN USE HAPPENS, THEN IT GOES BACK TO ITS CURRENT ZONING OVERLAY. AND THAT COULD BE, THERE COULD BE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROCESSES INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT SO THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE CITY'S ZONING INITIATIVE THAT CREATED THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY STAYS INTACT. MOVING INTO THE LONG-TERM FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THE ZONING THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD LIKE THAT RESPECTED. WE WANT TO BE RESPECTED IN OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT KNOWING HOW THINGS WORK, WE STILL WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS THAT GETS TO A PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY'S INTEREST ARE RECOGNIZED AND DEALT WITH. SO THE PRIMARY CONCERN THEN WOULD BE THE DENSITY LEVEL OF THE MULTIFAMILY IN TERMS OF THE ZONING CHANGE. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S AGAIN, WE WEREN'T PREPARED TO GO SPECIFICALLY INTO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. AND THEN BASED ON THAT ANSWER, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, THE EXISTING ZONING IS C3, I BELIEVE. CORRECT. WHAT, IF ANY, MULTIFAMILY, UH, DENSITY WOULD BE PERMITTED UH, WITH C3? SHOULD SOMEBODY WANNA BUY THIS PROPERTY AND KNOCK DOWN THE STRUCTURE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE? NO. UM, THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ASPECT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF MAYBE A, UM, A MIXED USE KIND OF STRUCTURE, BUT NOTHING RESIDENTIAL ALONE. SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE'S NO BY RIGHT, UH, USAGE FOR MULTIFAMILY PERMITTED WITH C3, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT CLARIFIED ON THE RECORD. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES THE QUESTION? YEAH. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE ACTING PRESIDENT. UM, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE, I LIVED IN HARMON HILLS MANY YEARS AGO FOR FIVE YEARS. THERE'S ABOUT 400 HOMES. HOW MANY IS NOT A MANDATORY HOA? SO, UH, THERE'S ABOUT 75 OUT OF THE 400 THAT PAID MEMBERSHIP DUES. THAT'S PAYING DUES RIGHT NOW? YES SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER BARTOS. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU MR. HOWARD. UH, STAFF BRIEF QUESTION TO YOU. I WILL TRY TO BE QUICK. UH, THERE IS NO MEANS TO HAVE SORT OF REVERSIONARY ZONING RIGHTS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR US. CORRECT. UH, ALRIGHT. AND THE CURRENT USE HOTEL IS APPROPRIATE IN C3? IT IS A RIGHT, IT IS A USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN C3. OKAY. AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN USE FROM HOTEL TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR COMMENTS AND POTENTIAL MOTION. WELL, I I APPRECIATE ALL THE, UH, INPUT MR. HOWARD, THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT AS WELL. IT'S A BIT OF A DIFFICULT CASE. I WILL SAY, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST GLANCE IT'S, UH, IT'S SEEMS LIKE AN UNLIKELY PLACE TO PUT, UH, A MULTIFAMILY UNIT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, LOOKING AT THE PURPOSE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRIVING FOR, I THINK THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR CITY. THE IDEA THAT IT WILL IMPROVE THE FUNCTION OF THE EXISTING LOT, UH, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S TRANSIT AVAILABILITY, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING MINUS THE SIX UNITS OR SO THAT, THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT AND THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO AIRPORT OBJECTION. UM, [02:50:01] I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. I'M GIVING IT TO WATSON. SHE TALKED MORE THAN YOU DID COMMISSIONER BOTTO . UM, ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER SIPES. YEAH, I AGREE WITH DR. KELNER. THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION. UM, AND THIS HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADMIT I'M STILL FORMULATING MY, MY DECISION IN MY HEAD AS I TALK, SO Y'ALL JUST HAVE TO LISTEN. UM, BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE PROJECT. UM, I MEAN, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A, IS LITERALLY ADJACENT TO TWO DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE, UM, UH, COMPLEXES. ONE FOR SENIORS AND ONE FOR FAMILIES. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S STILL VERY HARD FOR ME TO, TO, TO GET AROUND THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING AREA. AND YES, I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE FLIGHT PATH WITH ALL THE NOISE, BUT IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT IT THERE, THERE FOR ME. THERE'S TOO MANY, WELL, IT'S ALMOST, OR IT'S JUST TO THE SIDE OR, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF ADD THOSE UP. UM, AND I, I SEE THE, UH, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS AGAINST IT, BUT I ALSO SAW THE NUMBER OF THE INDUSTRIAL OWNERS THAT WERE AGAINST THE CHANGE AS WELL. UM, AND SO IT, IT, WHILE IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, THE USE WILL BE BETTER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW. UM, I I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, CHANGING SOMETHING, UM, THAT COULD HAVE SOME POSSIBLE NEGATIVE IMPACTS AS FAR AS THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE NOW GONNA BE ADJACENT TO MULTIFAMILY AND, AND THE IMPACTS THAT WILL HAVE ON THEIR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING. UM, UM, SO EVEN THOUGH I, I, I BELIEVE THE PRESENTATION WAS EXCELLENT. I BELIEVE THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECT TO BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT, IT'S, IT'S THAT IT'S KIND OF AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF INDUSTRIAL THAT I'M REALLY HAVING A, A TOUGH TIME, UM, PROCESSING RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THAT? I'M GENERALLY, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER S SIPES. UH, ALSO I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS PARKING. UH, THEY CAN'T EVEN MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO AT THE MOST THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING AT 75 OR 80 UNITS, UH, AND THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THEIRS VERSUS THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE STAFF ADMITTED THAT WILL BE IMPACTED. IF THIS GOES IN THERE AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEIR USE, THEIR BUILDING BURNS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE SUBJECT TO, UH, RULES FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY. SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHATSUP. COMMISSIONER'S ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES. YEAH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, BASICALLY BECAUSE I THINK WE GOTTA GIVE IT A CHANCE TO, FOR THIS BUSINESS TO SUCCEED. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT REGIONAL AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS GONNA BE RELEASED, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THOSE SESSIONS AND IT TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT RETAIL HOTELS, UH, IN THAT AREA FROM THAT STREET ALL THE WAY TO 2 81 AND BITTERS. SO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT OFFICE SPACE, HOTELS AND RETAIL, UH, BEING PART OF THE, THE FUTURE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO I'M IN FAVOR AND I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES. COMMISSIONER WATSON, UH, I WILL EXPAND A LITTLE BIT AROUND MY ENTHUSIASTIC SECOND FOR THIS MOTION. UM, IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION AND WAS ACTUALLY CLOSER FOR ME THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. UM, BUT WHEN YOU ARE A, AS SOMEONE WHO IS A RENTER WHO HAS HAD TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES IN THE PAST, UM, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ALLOW YOU TO HAVE YOUR, THE DIGNITY OF YOUR OWN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE [02:55:01] WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS GETTING TO WORK, WHICH WE HAVE THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY OF A THIS CONNECTING TO MAJOR VIA TRANSIT LINES AND BEING RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED. CONSIDERING THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, IT IS, UH, NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY FOOTPRINT CHANGES THAT IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY, YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PARKING PERMITTING REQUIREMENT THAT MAY IMPACT THE PROJECT. UM, WHICH I THINK PROVIDES SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS. AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ACCESS TO SERVICES. THIS IS NOT A PROJECT TARGETED TOWARDS FAMILIES. THIS IS A PROJECT TARGETED TOWARDS FOLKS WHO ARE ENTERING THE WORKFORCE, WHO ARE IN JOBS THAT DO NOT PAY SUPER WELL, SUPER HIGH. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, A PLACE TO LIVE, BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO WORK, BE ABLE TO GROW. UM, THIS IS A REALLY, THAT THAT GAP IN HOUSING IS SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE. WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OPPOSITION THAT IT'S HARD TO FIND AN APARTMENT THAT'S NOT $1,400 OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES AS A RENTER, RIGHT? FINDING ANYTHING LESS THAN A THOUSAND IS VERY DIFFICULT. UM, AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD IN THE CURRENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE, ANY PROJECTS LIKE THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. UM, SO THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY IS THERE, IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. UM, YOU HAVE THE OTHER PIECES IN PLACE, UM, WITH THE ACCESS TO WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES, THE SPECIFIC TRANSIT LINES, UM, THE VIA STOPPING RIGHT OUT THE FRONT DOOR, UM, AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT SAFETY, UM, TRANSIENT POPULATIONS, HAVING AN ANCHORED SET OF RESIDENTS WHO GO THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS IS GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND IMPROVE, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THIS BUILDING AND THIS SPACE. AND SO, UM, THE OPTION TO LEAVE THIS VACANT OR HAVE IT CONTINUE TO BE AN UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESS PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK PROBABLY IS NOT NECESSARILY GREAT FOR OUR TAX ROLL OR FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER EITHER, UM, VERSUS, UH, MAKING, HAVING A UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ONE OF THE MOST NECESSARY, UH, TYPES OF HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE, UM, TO PROVIDE DIGNITY AND ACCESS TO WORK, UM, IS, IS CRUCIAL TO ME. AND, UM, THOSE THINGS ARE THE REASONS WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS PROPOSAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. COMMISSIONER HUEY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO I I, WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF LISTENING TO MULTIPLE SIDES OF THIS CASE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE NOW IN SAN ANTONIO. IT'S CALLED THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS HITTING US IN THE FACE RIGHT NOW. AND YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD RELATED TO THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? BUT THOSE ARE MAYBE IMPROBABLE, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE CURRENT CRISIS THAT WE HAVE. SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT WE NEED NOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HUEY. COMMISSIONER HOSA. YEAH, THIS IS A REALLY HARD ONE, UH, FOR ME, FOR ALL OF US, A LOT OF US. UH, BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION. UM, IT'S UNLIKE ME TO VOTE AGAINST MAYBE WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR WITH THE COMMUNITY OR THE NEIGHBORS REALLY WANT IN THAT AREA. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT. THERE'S STILL GONNA BE PEOPLE NOW. I MEAN THERE'S A MOTEL, I THINK SOME MENTIONED IT'S KIND OF TRANSIENT. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE AIRPORT PEOPLE. THE, THAT ARE STAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN TURN BAD PRETTY QUICKLY. AND WHEN I ASKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE? WHAT DO YOU WANT THERE? IF THEY, IF THEY WOULD'VE SAID, WE HAVE A PLAN OR WE WANT A CHICK-FIL-A OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SOMEONE MENTIONED CHICK-FIL-A OR MAYBE I'M HUNGRY. BUT, UM, I THINK WITH THE LEASES THAT, THAT THEY WILL HAVE IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, I SEE ONE BIG ISSUES WHERE MAYBE A SINGLE PARENT MIGHT COME IN AND BRING OTHERS. UM, AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT I THINK WITH THE LEASES AND WITH, WITH THAT CHECKS AND BALANCES, IT'S GONNA STAY PRETTY RELATIVELY SMALL. I MEAN, THOSE ROOMS ARE NOT THAT BIG. UM, BUT AGAIN, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, THIS, UH, MOTION JUST, UM, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THIS IS SOMETHING GREAT FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK RETAIL, EVEN PEOPLE THAT WORK IN SCHOOLS AT SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THE, NOT THE TEACHERS, NOT THE ADMIN, BUT LIKE THE, UH, FRONT DESK PEOPLE. I MEAN THEY MAKE NOT AS MUCH AS WE AS THEY SHOULD AND THIS WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. CHAIR BUSANTE? YES. IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO THROW IN AS A GENERAL REMINDER, TAX REVENUE OF THE CITY IS GENERALLY NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. UM, CHAPTER TWO 11 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE KIND OF LAYS OUT WHAT THE PURVIEW OF THE ZONING COMMISSION IS IN ZONING DECISIONS OF CITY COUNCIL. SO I WOULD JUST ADVISE AND RECOMMEND THAT [03:00:01] THE DISCUSSION FOCUS ON LAND USE PRINCIPLES AS MUCH AS AS YOU CAN AND NOT TAX REVENUE. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ALWAYS A GOOD REMINDER. UM, ALRIGHT. AND I WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD. I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS REGARDING THE PEOPLE WHO WILL CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE OTHER CHOICES. UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO WHAT APPEAR TO BE EXTENDED STAY HOTELS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDUSTRIAL USE. SO PEOPLE ARE MAYBE NOT LIVING THERE, BUT THEY'RE STAYING THERE FOR PROBABLY PRETTY LONG TERM, 30 DAYS, MAYBE MORE, MAYBE SLIGHTLY LESS. BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UM, INTERACTING WITH FOLKS WHO, WHO HAVE STAYED IN SUCH PLACES, THEY DO TEND TO STAY FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME THAN THAN 28 DAYS OR 29 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS. UH, THEY'RE PAYING BY THE WEEK, BUT THEY'RE STAYING. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THIS CHANGE OF USE OF THE PROPERTY FROM THIS EXTENDED STATE HOTEL IN A C3 ENVIRONMENT IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE MF 50 WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. AND GIVEN THE LAND USE PRINCIPLES, GIVEN THESE USE CONCERNS, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE WILL REMAIN, UH, ANOTHER WHAT I THINK IS AN EXTENDED STATE HOTEL RIGHT NEXT DOOR, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. SO THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S UP? NO CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. UH, MS. WEISLER, I DO ENCOURAGE YOU AS I WOULD ALWAYS KEEP INTERACTING WITH GREATER HARMONY HILLS AS YOU HEAD TO CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, , UH, WE ARE MOVING ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 11. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RA GOMEZ ZONING. ACTUALLY, MR. GOMEZ, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GIVE A CHOICE TO MS. WEISLER GIVEN THAT SHE JUST FINISHED. DO YOU WANT GO NOW OR YOU WANNA WAIT? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, MR. GOMEZ, IF YOU WOULD, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RADO GOMEZ, ZONING SENIOR PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS LOCATED GENERALLY IN THE 19,000 BLOCK OF TRUMBO ROAD GOING FROM RP RESOURCE PROTECTION DISTRICT TO R 20 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. THERE WERE 13 NOTICES SENT OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS FOUND LIKELY STAFF FOUND INDICATION OF LIKELY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE. THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, SORRY, RESOURCE PROTECTION DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R 20 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS NOT THE EXISTING RESOURCE PROTECTION ZONING, PROTECTS AND PRESERVES VALUABLE AGRICULTURAL AREAS, IMPLEMENTS AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTION, AND REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES. ABUDDING PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED RP RESOURCE PROTECTION DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHICH IMPLEMENT LARGER MINIMUM LAW SIZES, MINIMUM LAW SIZE BEING 10 ACRES. THE PROPOSED BASE ZONING DISTRICT PERMITS A HIGH DENSITY OUT OF CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE CASE DID REQUIRE A PLAN AMENDMENT AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. EMILY WEISLER WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 1 REUNION PLACE, SUITE TWO 50. I WILL NOT BE AS WINDED THIS TIME. UM, THIS IS A, I HAVE A PRESENTATION. IT'S GETTING UP THERE. THIS IS A FOUR ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, ON TRUMBO HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, MS. CARMEN RODRIGUEZ. UM, MS. RODRIGUEZ IS LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY INTO FOUR EQUAL ONE ACRE PARCELS, UM, FOR EACH OF HER CHILDREN. THERE IS NOT A LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT PLAN HERE. UM, THIS IS NOT HIGH DENSITY BY ANY MEANS, UM, BUT THIS IS A KINDA ODDLY SHAPED, UM, PIECE OF PROPERTY, A LONG TRUMBO. UM, YOU CAN SEE PLEASANT TRUMBO. I'M GONNA KEEP ZOOMING OUT HERE. UM, BUT ACTUALLY I'M GONNA GO BACK. [03:05:02] YOU SEE, SO WE HAVE THIS FOUR ACRE TRACK RIGHT HERE. THERE ARE KINDA A AMALGAMATION OF DENSITIES AND, AND FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT HERE, UP AND DOWN TRUMBO, UP AND DOWN PLEASANTON ROAD. UM, AND I'M GONNA ZOOM ALL THE WAY OUT SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE ALONG TRUMBO AND PLEASANTON. UM, FOUR TEN TWO EIGHTY ONE OUT THERE. SO THIS IS A PROPERTY, IT'S FOUR ACRES. WE ARE TRYING TO EQUALLY DIVIDE IT INTO FOUR EQUAL TRACKS. UM, AND THIS IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. SO THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY ZONED RP. UM, THE LOT SIZE MINIMUM IS 10 ACRES. UH, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR, SO WE'RE SIX SHORE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED. UM, SO FUNCTIONALLY NON-CONFORMING, UM, IN ITS CURRENT, UH, PHYSICAL STATE. UM, THE NEXT ONE, UH, THE NEXT LESS INTENSE, UH, RE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE QUITE FRANKLY HOPING TO REZONE TO. UM, THERE'S RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR ON TRUMBO. UM, REQUIRES ACRE LOT SIZES. UM, WE DO HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUAL ACRES. I'LL SHOW YOU THE PLOT IN A SECOND. UM, BUT THE LOT SIZE MINIMUM IS NOT THE ONLY ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU ALSO HAVE STREET FRONTAGE WITH ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS. UM, SO THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET FOUR EQUAL ONE ACRE PARCELS, UM, AND MEET ALL OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IS TO REQUEST R 20. AND THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS FOR YOU TODAY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLOT, UM, PROVIDED BY KCI. UM, THEY'RE THE ENGINEERS ON THIS PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE THOSE FOUR INDIVIDUAL ALL ONE ACRES. SO FROM A LOT SIZE MINIMUM, THIS MEETS THE RE WHICH IS WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET ON TRUMBO. UM, BUT IN ORDER TO CONFIGURE IT, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE, WE DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION, UM, OF DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RE THEREFORE MUST REQUEST AN R 20. UM, BUT THIS IS THE PROVOST PLOT THAT WOULD GO BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, FOR EACH OF MS. RODRIGUEZ'S FOUR CHILDREN. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. NO QUESTIONS. UH, I'LL OPEN UP FOR OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. QUESTIONS LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THAT BOARD PLEASE? YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE HERE, SO YES SIR. JUST STAY UP. YEAH. . THIS, UH, APPEARS TO BE WITHIN THE, UH, TOYOTA BUFFER ZONE. CORRECT? THERE IS PROXIMITY OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE TOYOTA MANUFACTURING PLANT. I DUNNO THE EXACT DISTANCE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I CAN SHOW YOU A GENERAL, VERY FAR ZONING MAP. UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPERTY ALONG TROPO. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A THREE MILE BUFFER ZONE. ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL, UH, OVERLAY OR BUFFER ZONE THAT HAS APPROVED THAT'S IN, APPROVED THEIR CONTRACT. I'M SORRY, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSEL. I'VE READ THE CONTRACT. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. THAT IS NOT AN OVERLAY. WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT. BUT THE TOYOTA HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT SAYS THEY'VE GOT, UH, WITHIN THREE MILES OF THEIR PLAN. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. DO YOU THINK IT'S IMPACT THIS, UH, DENIAL IS IMPACTED BY THAT? EXCUSE ME SIR. I'M SO SORRY. YOU THINK THE STAFF'S DENIAL, THEY'RE DENYING THIS RIGHT? STAFF IS RECOMMENDED DENIAL. YEAH. UM, THEY'VE DETAILED THAT IN THEIR STAFF REPORT. YEAH. UM, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OVERLAYS THAT. OKAY. WELL IT JUST SEEMS DID NOT EXIST. TOYOTA'S PROXIMITY IS THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT. THIS I, I AGREE WITH WHAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. WHAT'S IT? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER REYES. JUST THE ONE GO BACK TO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR, THAT, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO NOW WE'VE HAVE I BELIEVE FOUR FLAG LOTS. ANY CONCERN AT ALL ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY SPACING ON? NO. SO THAT'S BEEN CLEARED. THANK YOU. YES. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RES, CAN WE GO BACK OUT TO THE WIDE VIEW PLEASE? I JUST WANT TO ASK, IS IT NEAR THE DONKEY LADY BRIDGE ? UM, IT'S ACTUALLY IN A, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A DRIVE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DONKEY LADY BRIDGE HERE, UM, OFF OF APPLEWHITE. UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE THERE. IT IS CLOSER TO EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND'S. ALRIGHT, WHAT IT'S WORTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR, UH, COMMENTS AND A MOTION. YES. GOD LOVE DISTRICT THREE AND ALL OUR UNIQUE BRIDGES. UM, AND, AND OTHER EVENT, OTHER AREAS. I WOULD, I THINK IT'S AN OPEN SHUT CASE FOR ME. I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE CASE. I WOULD, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL. DID I SAY THAT TOO [03:10:01] FAST? WAS SECOND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL? UH, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER REYES. ALRIGHT, SO THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REYES. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL VOTE. MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REYES. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WITS? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. Y'ALL ARE ON YOUR WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. LET'S KEEP GOING. ITEM NUMBER 12. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 5,000 BLOCK OF ROGERS ROAD GOING FROM R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS WITH ALL OVERLY STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 21 NOTICES MAILED TWO IN FAVOR, THREE OPPOSED MOUNTAIN VIEW ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION IS IN FAVOR. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND MF 25 LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. THE, THE EXISTING R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSAL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND CONDITIONAL USE OF CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS, WHICH IS COMMONLY AND INDUSTRIAL USE, WOULD INCREASE THE FUTURE POTENTIAL FOR HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ENCROACHMENT WITHIN A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIALLY ZONE BLOCK. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE LOWER INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE ZONES ALONG ROGERS ROAD, THEY ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ARE MORE APPROPRIATE WHEN A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF C ONE CD LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO GLASS 10 AUTO GLASS TINTING PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 15 EAST COMMERCE. I'VE GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO AS STAFF SAID, WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTOR, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHO'S LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE 1980S. UM, HE'S ALWAYS INTENDED TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY FOR HIS BUSINESS. HE HAS A WINDOW TENDING BUSINESS AND HE DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEIR SUPPORT BEFORE WE EVEN FILED THE FILED THE CASE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS, HE'S HERE TO ANSWER THOSE. UM, SO THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, 16 0 4 1 51, JUST NORTH OF, NORTH OF THAT INTERSECTION. THIS IS THE PROS BUILDING, PROPOSED BUILDING. THERE'S A LARGE DRAINAGE FEATURE AT THE REAR, SO WE'VE KIND OF GOT THAT AS A BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE HOMES TO THE REAR. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT STAFF SHOWED IT. BASICALLY HE HAS A WINDOW TINT BUSINESS, BUT HE ALSO HAS SOME FRIENDS WHO HAVE, HAVE BUSINESSES LIKE PLUMBING AND UH, CABINET INSTALLATION THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOCATE IN THE OTHER SUITES. SORT OF LIKE A BUSINESS PARK TYPE BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE OFFICES OF FRONT AND A GARAGE DOOR AND BACK. SO YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STORAGE. THIS IS THE BUILDING. SO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM. YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THEY LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING ZONING, UM, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL WOULD, WOULD ALLOW HEAVY COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT. BUT I WOULD, I WILL SHOW YOU THAT ROGERS ROAD, WHICH IS A FOUR LANE DIVIDED BOULEVARD, EVERY PROPERTY IN THIS OLD, OLD SUBDIVISION THAT FRONTS ON ROGERS ROAD IS SOME KIND OF A BUSINESS. IT'S ALL BEEN, IT'S ALL BEEN CHANGED. AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT HAPPENED. EVER SINCE EVERYTHING ZONED R SIX OR C ONE, THIS PROPERTY WASN'T ANNEXED UNTIL 1996. SO IF YOU SEE THESE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE OLDER INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. SO THIS IS KIND OF A MAP OF THE AREA. LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THIS THING OUT. UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAVE A CHURCH, THEN YOU HAVE SOME WAREHOUSES, A PRINT SHOP. SO IF YOU CAN TRANSMISSION SHOP, WOMEN'S CLINIC, EVERYTHING ON THIS SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD IS SOME SORT OF BUSINESS OR INDUSTRIAL USE. AND I'LL, I'LL SCROLL FAST. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG DAY. THIS IS, UH, THE PROPERTY JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHURCH THAT'S JUST NORTH OF US. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT GIANT DUMP TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ANOTHER [03:15:01] WAREHOUSE, WAREHOUSES, ANOTHER WAREHOUSE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE GOT. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YOU IS THIS PROPOSED BUSINESS IS NOT INTENSE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN OFFICE THAT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE SOME, A REAR GARAGE DOOR. IT WILL BE VERY QUIET. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE HAD ONE NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR IN OPPOSITION. THE OWNER MET WITH THEM AND THEY WOULD WITH WITHDRAWN THEIR OPPOSITION OUT. THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO, UH, AND WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO ADD A NA NON-ALCOHOL TO THE CASE TODAY. UM, AND THAT'S OUR REQUEST. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU ARE FORMALLY AMENDING CORRECT? TO ADD DNA TO ADD DNA, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, NOW THIS IS A DISTRICT SIX CASE COMMISSIONER HUI TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE NO QUEST. SORRY. EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME. DID YOU DO THAT WITH SPEAKER? STAND UP. OH, I'M SO SORRY. ALRIGHT. SORRY. PUBLIC COMMENT. CYNTHIA GARZA, SHE CAN'T COME WITH ME. SHE CAN COME WITH ME. SHE CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM WITH YOU, BUT YOU ARE THE ONE SECOND SEAT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING. OKAY. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THAT. MY NAME'S CYNTHIA GARZA. I LIVE ON TEN FIVE OH THREE MOUNT EVANS. I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THAT SECTION THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND NOBODY EVER REACHED OUT TO ME. NOBODY EVER CAME TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT WHEN I RECEIVED THE LETTER. IT, IT, IT'S JUST SO BIG. AND, AND, AND THERE'S THAT, THE, THE OTHER PLACE THAT HE SHOWED THAT, THAT LOOKED CLOSED, THAT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS. I, WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT THERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T DO IT THERE. I MEAN, IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE, TO THE DUMP TRUCK THAT HE JUST SHOWED. IT'S LIKE THREE SPACES DOWN. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC THERE IS REALLY BAD THERE. A LADY DIED THERE ON ROGERS ROAD AND MOUNT EVANS RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER BECAUSE OF HOW EVERYBODY KEEPS GOING FROM RA TO, TO TAKE MOUNT HELEN TO TAKE ROGERS ROAD TO OR MOUNT EVANS TO GET TO ROGERS ROAD. I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC IS LIKE EXTREMELY BAD THERE. IT TAKES HOURS TO GET FROM WHERE I LIVE TO TAFT OR, OR IT TAKES ABOUT AN HOUR OKAY. TO GET, THAT'S HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC IS. SO MS. GARZA, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. YOU LIVE SORT OF ON THAT. I LIVE AT THE CORNER. THERE'S A POINTER OF THE CORNER OF MOUNT EVANS AND ROGERS AND MOUNT HELEN OR MOUNT HELEN, SORRY. MOUNT HELEN AND MOUNT EVANS. OH, RIGHT THERE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? UH, DID YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, BUT I CAN. SURE. DO I NEED TO, I'M RIGHT NOW OR GO AHEAD AND SPEAK AND THEN YEAH, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK AND THEN YOU CAN SIGN UP. MY NAME IS SERENA PALACIOS AND WE ACTUALLY BUILDING NOW A DREAM HOME, UM, VERY, VERY CLOSE. WE ARE RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM . WE ARE ABOUT TO MOVE IN AND WE ARE GONNA CLOSE ON A HOUSE NEXT WEEK. SO I KNOW WE DON'T LIVE THERE YET, BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE AND NOBODY NEVER CAME TO US AND CONSULTED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. SO I, I DISAGREE WITH YOU WITH ALL MY RESPECT THAT NEIGHBORS BEING CONSULTED BECAUSE NOBODY NEVER TALKED TO US. ALSO, HE SHOWED, UM, PICTURES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW YOU HOUSES AND RESIDENTIAL, UM, FAMILY HOUSES WHERE FAMILY LIVES IN CHILDREN WAY. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT, UH, EVEN CLINIC AND CHURCH. THERE IS A LOT OF FAMILIES SLEEP THERE, YOU KNOW, AND HE SAID, OH, IT'S GONNA BE QUIET, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A GARAGE DOOR IN A BAG. UM, YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE QUIET. IT'S ALREADY NOT QUIET, SO YOU'RE GONNA BRING MORE CARS AND YOU KNOW, MORE BUSINESS THERE AND, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A CHAOS, YOU KNOW? OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH MA'AM. AND IF YOU WOULD JUST GO SIGN UP OVER THERE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO FURTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN BRIEF REBUTTAL. I'LL BE BRIEF. UM, WE WILL REACH OUT TO HER AND, AND MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THE ONE THING BETWEEN BEHIND THIS BUILDING, THERE'S A DRAINAGE FEATURE ALREADY, SO WE CAN'T GET VERY CLOSE. IT'S ALMOST ABOUT 30 FEET. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WILLING TO ADD THE NA TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY DECIDES TO PUT IN A, A RESTAURANT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. UM, THESE ARE BUSINESSES, THEY'RE EIGHT TO FIVE, THEY WILL NOT BE OPEN LATE, THEY WILL NOT BE MAKING LOTS OF NOISE. UM, THE EX THAT'S JUST BELOW US, HE CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HE'S GOING TO, HE INTENDS TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE AS WELL SOMEDAY, BUT WE OFFERED TO HIM WAS TO, UM, DO SOME ADDITIONAL [03:20:01] TREE PLANTINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO KIND OF SCREEN THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF OUR BUILDING FROM WHEN ANYTHING THAT HE COULD EVER SEE. I BELIEVE HE'S OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY HE DID NOT COME TODAY. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY OUR REQUEST. I MEAN, I, I I, THERE ARE HOUSES ON MOUNT HELEN STREET. I WAS TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE REALITY IS ON ROGER STREET, WHICH IS A VERY BUSY STREET. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. UH, NOW CORRECTLY THIS TIME ON MY PART, UH, COMMISSIONER HUEY FOR YOU, UH, QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? YES, SIR. CURRENTLY, UH, ROGERS ROAD, WHEN YOU GO DOWN, DRIVE DOWN ROGERS, ROGERS ROAD, LOTS OF GREENERY, DO YOU, DOES YOUR APPLICANT INTEND TO PROVIDE MORE GREENERY TO THE SCREEN ALONGSIDE OF, UM, ROGERS AND ALSO ON MOUNTAIN EVANS? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE, THE OWNER, BUT HE, HE CAN COME UP IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. HE DOES NOT WANNA MAKE THE EXPENSE, SO WE'RE GONNA SAVE TREES IN THE FRONT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY SAVE TREES TO THE SOUTH AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS JUST TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FEEL THAT'S THERE ALONG ROGERS ROAD. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER RIOS? UH, I COULD PROBABLY LOOK THIS UP, BUT IS, IS THAT A STOP CONDITION? UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT SIDE ROAD AT THE CORNER? MOUNT EVANS. MOUNT EVANS. WOULD THAT BE A STOP CONDITION CURRENTLY? YOU MEAN, IS THERE A STOP SIGN ON MOUNT EVANS TO GET ON ROGER ROAD? YES, THERE IS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REYES. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES QUESTION FOR PATRICK. UM, AND FOR STAFF I GUESS, UH, SO STAFF HAD AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT. AND SAY THAT YES. C ONE CD THE EXISTING, UM, PLAN, THE LAND USE, I BELIEVE IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. SO WE WERE RECOMMENDING A LOWER DENSITY OF COMMERCIAL OR INTENSITY, SORRY. AND, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF WHY WE WERE GOING WITH THE C ONE. ALRIGHT, AND SO PATRICK, YOU'RE WILLING TO GO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING C TWO AND A YES, AND THE ONLY REASON, THE REASON, THE PRIMARY REASON WHY WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE C TWO IS, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY ALMOST 9,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING C ONE ONLY ALLOWS 5,000 SQUARE FOOT ALLOWS UP TO THREE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS ON A PLA LOT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, THE OWNER WHO'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME AND WANTS TO HAVE HIS OWN BUSINESS THERE, YOU CUT THE BUILDING IN HALF, YOU ALMOST DOUBLE THE COST OF BUILDING THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TWO HVAC SYSTEMS, ADDITIONAL WALLS, FIREWALLS, SETBACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT REALLY HAMPERS HIS PLANS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. AND THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, PROBABLY FOR STAFF. UH, THE OTHER NON-CONFORMING USES THAT HE MENTIONED ALONG THE ROAD WITH WAREHOUSES AND THINGS, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OF THEM THAT HAVE ACTUALLY REZONED OUT OF THEIR R SIX OR ARE THEY ALL OPERATING UNDER? UH, I THINK THERE'S A PRINT SHOP AND WAREHOUSES, UM, AND A TRANSMISSION SHOP THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY CLICK AND CHECK ON EACH PROPERTY AND THEN DO, IF THE HISTORY'S THERE AT OUR FINGERTIPS, IT WOULD BE EASY TO SAY YES OR NO, BUT WE CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT ANYTHING THAT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMING OBVIOUSLY WILL JUST REMAIN THERE, BUT WE CAN GET, UM, THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST OF THE MAP SO WE COULD KINDA SEE IF THEY'RE ALL OPERATING UNDER NON-CONFORMING OR SOME OF 'EM HAVE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH ZONING CHANGES. CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UM, ONE STOP MAP? DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, ARE, ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE C ONE AND OH ONE FURTHER NORTH, UH, ON UH, ROGERS ROAD AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN REZONED IN ABOUT 2010, BUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES LOOK LIKE THEY ARE STILL R SIX, R FOUR. YEAH, SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE, UM, SOME OF THE C ONES WERE REZONED IN ABOUT 2014, 2010 AND THEN THE O ONES WERE REZONED IN ABOUT TWO, UH, 2012. ALEXIS ALEXA, SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT C ONE UNDERNEATH THE O ONE IF YOU CLICK IT AND OPEN THE ATTRIBUTES. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WOOD SAID ANYTHING FURTHER? YOU'RE [03:25:01] GOOD? YES. OKAY. UM, I DO WANNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ LEFT AT 4:24 PM 4:24 PM ALRIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SO COMMISSIONER HUI TO YOU FOR COMMENTS, DISCUSSION AND A POTENTIAL MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO I BECAME AWARE OF THIS APPLICATION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO AND WE HAD, UM, A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, UH, WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND UM, SO WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT MOUNTAIN VIEW ACRES WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT, I WAS FEELING VERY COMFORTABLE BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER MOUNTAIN VIEW ACRES, THEY ARE VERY, VERY DEFENSIVE OF THEIR RESIDENTS AND OF THEIR ZONING. SO THEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, OF, UH, WITH, UH, PATRICK AND I FEEL THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT LOCATION, THAT KIND OF BUSINESS FITS IN A CHARACTER OF THE GROWING AND EVOLVING MOUNTAIN VIEW ACRES. SO WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE C TWO CD FOR CONTRACTOR TRAITS, A CONSTRUCTION TRAITS CONTRACTOR IN A ALRIGHT SECOND. ALRIGHT, SO THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REYES. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT, TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID AS SUBMITTED, BUT YOU MEAN AS AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT TO C TWO NA. I'M SORRY, AS I DID SAY AS SUBMITTED, BUT YES, I DO MEAN AS AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE PODIUM TODAY TO INCLUDE THE C TWO CD AS STATED BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH THE NA AMENDMENT THAT WAS A LOT LONGER THAN IT NEEDED TO BE. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THAT BEING THE MOTION ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. ITEM PASSES IS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, AND MR. CHRISTENSEN, AS YOU WILL GUESS, GO TALK TO THOSE FOLKS RIGHT NOW. YES SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 25. GOOD AFTERNOON, BROUGHT TO FOR OUR ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 25 IS LOCATED AT 4 0 2 AND 4 0 6 SOUTH SARZA MORRIS STREET GOING FROM C TWO TO C3. ALL OVERLAYS REMAIN THE SAME. 30 NOTICES WERE SENT ZERO IN FAVOR. THREE OPPOSED HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE. STAFF DOES FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE EXISTING C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW MORE INTENSE USES OF BUDDING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. THE REQUESTED C3 BASED ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE UNCHARACTERISTIC OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT CURRENTLY PERMITS COMMERCIAL USES UP TO A C TWO BASE ZONING. OUR REQUEST FOR C TWO PCD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WOULD PRESERVE THE C TWO BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND PERMIT THE EXISTING USE OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WITH A SITE PLAN THAT RESTRICTS BUILDING AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WHICH CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT FURTHER PUBLIC REVIEW. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION FOR C TWO PCD COMMERCIAL PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, DEAR YOUR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UH, MY NAME IS JOSE LUIS NORIEGA. I PRESENT, UH, MR. GARCIA. HE IS, UM, THE OWNER OF FRANCIS AUTO SALES. HE CURRENTLY HAS BEEN A PROPERTY OWNED AND [03:30:01] SERVICED AS A AUTO SALES FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS. UM, MR. GARCIA ACT TO APPLY FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS EVERY YEAR FOR HIS NON-CONFORMING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY THAT HE CURRENTLY IS IN IS A C TWO, UH, PROPERTY. UM, THUS HE ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE WITHIN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO HIS PROPERTY THAT HE HAD FOR THE 20 YEARS. SO THIS NEW PROPERTY THAT HE, UM, ACQUIRED ALLOWED HIM TO REDESIGN AND TO REINVENT THE ACTUAL DEALERSHIP FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. UH, BY ALLOWING ALSO ACCESS FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ONTO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A MORE, UM, EFFICIENT AND A MORE, UM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY VISUALLY APPEASING OR PLEASING, UH, VIEW FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AS IN THE, IN THE SURROUNDINGS. WE DID HAVE SOME OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND WE DID TRY TO, UM, LAST, UH, MEETING WE DID OPEN UP TO QUITE A FEW OF THEM. WE ACTUALLY VISITED QUITE A FEW OF THEM. MOST OF THEM ARE IN SUPPORT OF, OF, OF OUR PROJECT. THERE'S QUITE A FEW THAT ARE NOT. UM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S A, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT DIALOGUE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, DO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT WANT THAT THEY MIGHT NEED. AS FAR AS THE, I MEAN, BEAUTIFYING THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, I MYSELF, I HAVE A PROPERTY WITHIN ANOTHER TWO OR THREE BLOCKS FROM HERE AND I LIVED, UM, THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE HIGH SCHOOL CAREER, UH, OVER ON THE WEST SIDE ON VERACRUZ STREET. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS PROJECT IS A NICE REDEVELOPMENT AND VERY NICE INJECTION OF OF, OF, OF BEAUTIFYING THE ACTUAL WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. NOT ONLY DO WE DO, WE AGREE TO, UM, TO DO SOME THINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT THEY ALSO, WE ALSO AGREE TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE SOME MORE CULTURAL AND ART, UM, INTO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY. UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU MIGHT WANNA ASK US AND, UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION FOR ANYONE ELSE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. FRANK SANCHEZ, CAN YOU GUYS DO OVERLAY OR NO OVER OVERHEAD? UH, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THEM. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHOW. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, UH, FRANK SANCHEZ. I LIVE AT 25 20 SAUNDERS AVENUE. I'M THE HOMEOWNER ADJACENT TO RANCH'S AUTO SALES AND NO ONE'S, UH, SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT, UH, RANCH'S AUTO SALES AND THEIR, UH, REQUEST. I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING AND, UH, I WAS, UH, IN OPPOSITION AND I STAND HERE AGAIN IN OPPOSITION AS WELL. UH, THE MAJORITY OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, ARE ALSO IN OPPOSITION. UM, MAINLY BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT IS BECAUSE, UH, THE C3 CLASSIFICATION IS, DOESN'T CONFORM TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. UM, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, HE'S IN A C TWO STATUS AND HE HASN'T, HE HASN'T CONFORMED TO THE C TWO STATUS AS FAR AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE AUTO SALES, OUTSIDE STORAGE, AUTO REPAIR, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. HE'S, HE'S DOING THAT RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS. HE'S BEEN TAKING OVER BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ON SAUNDERS AVENUE FROM SIL TO, UH, SA SAM MORA. HE'S TAKEN OVER THE, THE SERVICE ALLEY TO THE POINT THAT, UH, HE'S INTERRUPTED OUR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING COLLECTION. THE CITY HAD ACTUALLY MOVED, IT MOVED OUR COLLECTION TO THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTIES INSTEAD OF USING THE SERVICE ALLEY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF UNSIGHTLY, THE TRAFFIC THERE ON SAUNDERS IS PRETTY HEAVY. I'M JUST WAITING FOR, YOU KNOW, MY WASTE BINS TO GET CLOBBERED BY, BY A VEHICLE. UH, THE INTERSECTION THERE IS SAUNDERS AND SA IS A REAL HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT, UH, IT CONFORMS TO, UH, AN AUTO SALES BUSINESS. UH, THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE. UM, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHERE WE, WE DO HAVE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE SOME VAGRANCY IN THAT AREA. HE HAS SO MANY VEHICLES HE CAN GO TO THE FIRST PICK. HE HAS SO MANY VEHICLES IN THERE. THERE'S TIMES WHERE I'M GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE WANDERING IN HIS, INTO HIS PROPERTY AND THEY'RE IN HIS PROPERTY AND HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW IT. AND, UH, BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT, WE JUST FEEL THAT IT, IT DOESN'T CONFORM AND THAT WE OPPOSE THE C3 CLASSIFICATION AND ALSO THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION. I OPPOSE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. SANCHEZ. IF YOU WOULD HANG OUT THOUGH. [03:35:02] ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, GILBERT RODRIGUEZ. HELLO, MY NAME'S, UH, GILBERT. RI LIVE IN 25 16 SAUNDERS, THREE HOUSES AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF SAUNDERS AND SMO. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 26 YEARS. UM, MY CONCERN IS THE PROPERTY THAT HE OWNS RIGHT NOW THERE, HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY TO, UH, TO BUILD HIS, HIS, UM, UH, CAR LOT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO AN, UH, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, HE WOULD, HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE FACILITY, HE WOULD'VE TO HAVE ACTUALLY A PAINT BOOTH, UH, A BOOTH FOR PREPPING. RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A PREP BOOTH, UH, BOOTH, SO THEY JUST DO ALL THEIR BODY WORK OUTSIDE IN THE ALLEY ON OUR BACKYARDS. I HAVE MY GRANDKIDS, UH, PLAYING IN THE BACKYARDS. YOU HAVE FIBERGLASS IN THE AIR, YOU GOT BONDO CHEMICALS. ALL THAT IS, UH, HAZARDS TO MY, UH, GRANDSONS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OTHER, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE HAS REALLY TAKEN OVER THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BEING THE SANDERS STREET AND OUR, UM, ALLEYWAY. IT, IT, IT REALLY IS A, UM, ANNOYING. IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T EVEN, UM, WE'RE LIKE THE, WE'RE CAVED IN OUR, IN OUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU KNOW. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, HE COULD BUILD KNOW WHEREVER ELSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT HE WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE'S BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TOO, BUT THE ZONING AREA IS NOT MADE FOR A ZONE THREE. IT'S MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. RODRIGUEZ. YES, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. WE ALSO HAVE VOICEMAILS. OKAY. VOICEMAILS, I RESIDE AT TWENTY FIVE NINETEEN SANDERS AVENUE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 992-9435. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE CASE ENDING IN 0 9 0. I'M CALLING IN FOR THE OPPOSITION. WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST AND CURRENTLY STILL, UM, WITH THE BUSINESS STILL PARKING IN FRONT OF OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL HOME AND WE'RE UNABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF OUR HOME. AND WE HAVE ISSUES, UM, PERTAINING TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO PARK ALONG THE, THE CURB ON THE STREET. UM, SO WE ARE FOR THE OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. HI, MY NAME IS GABRIEL MICHEL. I LIVE IN, UH, TWENTY FIVE NINETEEN SANDERS AVENUE. UH, MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE OH EIGHT SEVEN FIVE NINE SEVEN ZERO. UH, UM, UM, NINE SEVEN, SORRY, MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE OH EIGHT SEVEN FIVE NINE SEVEN ZERO AND I'M CALLING TO IN OPPOSITION OF THE CASE 0 0 9 0. UM, WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH PARKING. UM, THEY DO MECHANICS IN FRONT. UH, THEY, THEY DO MECHANIC WORK IN FRONT OF OUR, UM, HOME. AND, UM, I AM PRO THE OPPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, THIS IS MICHELLE SALAZAR. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN FIVE THREE FIVE SEVEN THREE FOUR TWO. LAST DIGITS OF THE CASE IS 0 9 0. I LIVE AT 26 11 SAUNDERS, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE ZONING REQUEST. AGAIN, CASE NUMBER IS LAST THREE ZERO NINE ZERO. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN FIVE THREE FIVE SEVENTY THREE FORTY TWO. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS SARAH RAMIREZ. I LIVE AT 25 19 SANDERS AND I OPPOSE FOR THE CLIFF MOTOR DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS SERVICE CENTER. NO, I OPPOSE FOR THE CAR LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM 25 19 SANDERS. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. VERY GOOD, MR. NORIEGA. UM, ABSOLUTELY REBUTTAL. YES, BRIEFLY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, RESIDENTS FOR COMING OVER AND, AND, AND LETTING US KNOW WHY YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROPERTY JUST LIKE YOU DID PREVIOUSLY. ON THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE DID OPEN UP OUR FORUM SO THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY OPEN UP AND ACTUALLY TALK TO US. [03:40:01] AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY EVEN PUT FORTH THAT MR. GARCIA WAS GONNA BE AVAILABLE 24 7 WHENEVER HE, WHEN HE WENT THERE TO SOME EXTENT THAT EVEN, UH, A COUPLE OF GENTLEMEN THAT ARE IN OUR AUDIENCE, I THINK OF MR. SANCHEZ. RODRIGUEZ ACTUALLY CAME OVER AND ACTUALLY DID ASK FOR SOME HELP. AND MR. GARCIA IS NEVER GONNA SAY NO. MR. GARCIA IS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. HE IS A CHURCH GOER. HE ACTUALLY DONATES A LOT OF MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS. HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO AMPLIFY THE AMOUNT OF BEAUTIFYING INTO THE WEST SIDE. AND THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST GONNA BE, LIKE THEY SAID, A VAGRANCY UH, MAGNET, BUT MAINLY AT A VERY GOOD LOOKING PROPERTY SO THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY IMPACT EVERYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND MAKING THEM ACTUALLY BETTER. WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS A C3. UM, THERE IS A, AN AMENDMENT THROUGH ACTUALLY GOING TO A C TWO, UM, P WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE OF AUTO SALES. AND, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO A REALLY GOOD JOB ACTUALLY ADDRESSING ALL THE ISSUES IN THE PARKING. I WILL NOT FORGET ABOUT THE PARKING, WHICH IS I THINK IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING. NOT ONLY DID WE OPEN UP THE FORUM LAST WEEK, I MEAN LAST MEETING HERE ABOUT THE PARKING, WE SAID IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY OF MR. GARCIA. IT IS A HIGHLY DENSE HOUSING POPULATION. EVERYBODY PARKS EVERYWHERE. HE EVEN SAID, I WILL BE WILLING TO CALL THE TOW TRUCK TO COME AND PICK THEM UP 'CAUSE THEY ARE NOT MY VEHICLES. HE ALSO SAID TO THIS POINT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST TALKED A MINUTE AGO, HE SAID, I MEAN, IF THEY WANT ME TO DONATE THE CARS, IF THEY SEE A CAR OUTSIDE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO CALL ME, AND IF I DON'T MOVE IT, I'LL DONATE IT TO THE CITY OR I'LL DONATE IT TO A CAUSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT HIS VEHICLES. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF MR. SANCHEZ, MR. RODRIGUEZ AND EVERYONE THAT SPOKE ON THE VOICEMAILS, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE. WE ARE TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THE WEST SIDE BY EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INVESTMENT IN OUR, UM, IN OUR SIDELINE. YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THAT WHEN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ACTUALLY GET ACCESS, YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LANE OPEN TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BE FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND SAUNDERS ALL THE WAY OUT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD AS THEY TURNED FROM SANDERS INTO, UM, SAR MO. THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO TURN. BUT IF WE HAVE THAT LANE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD ONTO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP THEM. UM, THE PARKING, UH, I CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING DOWN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT, MR. GARCIA IS WILLING TO ACTUALLY CALL A TOW TRUCK FOR THEM SO THEY CAN REMOVE IT FOR THEM IF IT'S IN THE WAY, SPECIFICALLY IF IT'S IN THE WAY OF THEIR DRIVEWAY. UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER FOR NOW. THANK YOU MR. NORIEGA. YES, SIR. UM, STAY THERE PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD. ALRIGHT. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO IT IS TO ME. YES, SIR. UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT MR. GARCIA HAS ON HIS PROPERTY, UH, ON A AVERAGE BASIS. HOW MANY, HOW MANY CARS DOES HE HAVE THERE? SO HE HAS TWO PROPERTIES. ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IS THE DEALERSHIP, WHICH IS THE 4 0 2 WITH SARZA MARA, THAT IS THE NORTH SIDE OF WHICH IS SAUNDERS AND SAR, THE NORTH SIDE. HE HAS ABOUT 15 VEHICLES ON THE SOUTH PART WHERE HE HAS THE OTHER VEHICLES THAT ARE EITHER BEING SERVICED OR BEING, UM, UM, PUT ASIDE FOR OTHER PURPOSES. HE HAS ABOUT 10. SO I WOULD SAY IN A FULL CAPACITY HE WOULD BE AT 25. CURRENTLY, IF WE, SORRY, MAKE, SORRY, GO AHEAD. THIS YES, I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, IF WE MAKE THIS PROPERTY INTO THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE HOPING TO MAKE, TO ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING BETTER OF, OF THIS, BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT BY GIVING THE ACTUAL ANGLE OF THE PARKING SPACES AND IT'LL ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR PROPERTY PARKING SPACES TO UP TO 35. THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE ANOTHER 10 PARKING SPACES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR NEIGHBORS FOR HELP FOR, UM, IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT COMES AND MAKE PAYMENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE MORE SERVICES FOR THE NEIGHBORS, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT BUY CARS NOWADAYS, WE ACTUALLY GIVE 'EM AN OPTION, OPTION TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE, UM, THE VEHICLE ONLINE. AND THEY ALSO CAN PAY IT ONLINE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY MAKE A PAYMENT. THEY CAN ACTUALLY PAY IT ONLINE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME AND USE THE PARKING. SO WE ARE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET UP TO 35 SPACES. SO WE'LL LIBERATE AND LEAST ANOTHER 10 WITH AN ACCESS ROAD TO GO IN AND OUT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. NORIEGA? YES, SIR. WHAT, OVER THE PAST, WHAT OVER THE PAST YEAR HAS BEEN THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CARS THAT MR. GARCIA HAS HAD ON, ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES? MAXIMUM? YEAH, I WOULD SAY I WOULD SAY 20, MAYBE [03:45:01] 30, MAYBE 30 I, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PUSHING IT. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE TRANSIENT. YES, SIR. AND THE STAFF'S REPORT INDICATES THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THESE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER ARE 0.2249 ACRES. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU MR. NORIEGA. I'M GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF NOW AND I JUST WANNA, I WANNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS AS WE PRO PROGRESS THROUGH THIS. UM, ONE, THE NONCONFORMING USE THAT WE HAVE ON FILE NOW IS FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. UM, THE, I HEARD ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAY THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PAINT AND BODY THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. UM, NOT EVEN UNDER THE CURRENT NCU THAT OR THE PROPOSED ZONING. THE OTHER THING WAS, I BELIEVE I HEARD HIM SAY HE IS AMENDING TO THE C TWO PCD FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. IF THERE IS ANY ASPECT OF THAT, THAT IS, UM, ANY KIND OF REPAIR, IT NEEDS TO BE FULL SERVICE, IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED WITH THAT. THE FOURTH THING IS THAT IF HE IS AMENDING HIS APPLICATION, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A VALID, UM, SITE PLAN. AND SO THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, IF HE BROUGHT SOMETHING, UM, AND IT MEETS ALL OF CHECKS, ALL THE BOXES, IT MAY NEED TO BE CONTINUED TILL TO THE NEXT MEETING IN ORDER TO GET ALL OF THAT IRONED OUT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO LET'S, LET'S START FROM THE THIRD ITEM, ODDLY ENOUGH. UM, ALRIGHT, SO MR. NORIEGA, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS OFFICIALLY DONE. ARE YOU ON BEHALF OF MR. GARCIA AMENDING, UH, THE REQUEST THIS APPLICATION TO BE C TWO P CD WITH THE USE OF AUTO SALES? YEAH. UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY TO READ IT RIGHT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. THAT IS CORRECT. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD SOME ELEVATIONS, DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN YES, FOR THIS PROPERTY? IT DOES. IT'S, IT'S NOT A FULL SITE PLAN. OKAY. BUT DOES HAVE PROXIMITY UNTIL YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES. WE CAN COUNT THEM ALL TOGETHER. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THERE WE GO. SO THIS MM-HMM . STAFF QUESTION TO YOU, UH, WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS A SITE PLAN FOR THE C TWO PCD CORRECT. IN ORDER TO SUBMIT TODAY? FOR TODAY FOR THE RECORD. NO, SIR. OKAY. IT NEEDS TO, UH, BE AMENDED TO ADD ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT WE NORMALLY ADD, THE TWO AND FROM ZONING, THE APPLICATION NUMBER, THE DISCLAIMER STATEMENT, A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, DETAILS THAT WE WOULD NEED ON THE SITE PLAN. AND ALSO SHOULD THIS COMMISSION REQUEST CERTAIN CONDITIONS, THOSE WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED ON THAT. CORRECT. IT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT, UH, THEY WILL BE PART OF THE MOTION THAT IS READ WHEN YOU'RE READY TO CONSIDER IT OFFICIALLY IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, SINCE HE'S AMENDED AND WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE IN A STALEMATE AT THE MOMENT. BUT IF I PROMISE TO BRING IT WELL, IF YOU PROMISE TO BRING IT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BRING IT IN TWO WEEKS. I KNOW. UM, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU MR. NORIEGA. YES, SIR. I, I THINK THAT MIGHT DETERMINE WHAT I'M GONNA DO, BUT, UH, MR. SANCHEZ? YES SIR. IF I COULD HAVE YOU COME UP PLEASE. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD OPPOSE THE C TWO PCD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, SEE IF THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF CARS OR THINGS LIKE THAT? UH, THAT COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND? I JUST, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE HE WOULD, HE WOULD UPHOLD IT. I MEAN, HE, HE'S HAD 20 YEARS. OKAY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S IN, HE'S NONCONFORMING ALL THIS TIME EVERY YEAR HE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST, IF YOU SEE, IF YOU SEE THE LOT RIGHT NOW, HE'S ACTUALLY HAVING TO PULL VEHICLES OUT, STASH HIM OFF DOWN THE BLOCK ON ROCIO STREET, LIKE A PICKUP TRUCK FULL OF BUMPERS, YOU KNOW, SO HE CAN MAKE, SO HE CAN MANEUVER VEHICLES. THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, THE OTHER DAY I WAS WASHING DISHES. MY KITCHEN UNFORTUNATELY FACES HIS, THE BACK OF HIS OFFICE. I'M A LITTLE BIT ELEVATED. I DO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT I'M, THE KITCHEN'S KIND OF ELEVATED. THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOMEONE BACK [03:50:01] IN, BACK THERE, A HOMELESS PERSON. MM-HMM . UH, HIDING BACK THERE, RELIEVING THEMSELVES. WE DO HAVE HIS NUMBER. I HAD, WE HAD TO ACTUALLY CALL HIM AND SAY, HEY MAN, THERE'S SOMEONE THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF YOUR OFFICE DOING THEIR BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, I JUST FEEL THAT, UH, HE'S, UH, HE'S ABUSED THE OKAY. THANK YOU. THE RIGHT SANCHEZ, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? 2 5 2 0 SAUNDERS AVENUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, AND YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I'M, I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR. RIGHT THERE ON SAUNDERS. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, STAFF, MR. SANCHEZ'S HOME, I THINK IS TECHNICALLY ZONED C TWO. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS, IT IS. OKAY. DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE BUFFERS GIVEN THAT MR. MR. SANCHEZ IS USING IT, UH, AS A RESIDENTIAL USE IT, THE BUFFERS? UM, DEFINITELY A FENCE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN EFFECT, UM, BECAUSE OF RESIDENTIAL USE. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE BUFFERS ALSO GO INTO EFFECT. BUT LET ME JUST CONFIRM. . OKAY. THANK YOU MR. SANCHEZ. THANK YOU, SIR. WAIT, ACTUALLY, BEFORE YOU GO THOUGH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, IS SEE IF I CAN AVOID HAVING YOU HAVE TO COME BACK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I GOTCHA. , I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO NECESSARILY HAVE TO TAKE TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY SINCE YOU'VE COME TWICE, ONCE FOR PLANNING AND ONCE FOR THIS. YEAH. UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE SAID EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY ON THIS CASE. YES, SIR. UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE, AGAIN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, SHOULD THIS COME BACK AT THAT POINT, BUT I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THE OPTION BASICALLY. YEAH, I, I MEAN, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HE SAID THAT HE'S REACHED OUT, YOU KNOW, I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW. THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO ME, YOU KNOW, ON ANYTHING. BUT I, I JUST FEEL THAT, UH, HE'S BEEN NONCONFORMING HIS WHOLE TIME AND IT'S NOT GONNA IMPROVE. HE COULD, IF HE GETS A C3 STATUS, IT MIGHT GET WORSE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. SANCHEZ. MR. RODRIGUEZ? YES. SORRY. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. SADLY THERE IS NO, UH, BUFFER REGULATION, UM, FOR THE C TWO NEXT TO A C TWO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE. AGAIN, WE JUST HAVE A STIPULATION ABOUT FENCING. MM-HMM . IF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND, AND MR. SANCHEZ, I'M JUST GONNA ASK YOU TO NOD AND THERE IS A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I CAN SEE ON GOOGLE. UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF I COULD SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN, UM, I THINK I KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO TODAY 'CAUSE I WANT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. UH, UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO IN TWO WEEKS OR WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THEN. UH, BUT I DID JUST SORT OF WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY I GAVE TO MR. SANCHEZ AGAIN. YOU'RE WELCOME. I, I THINK POSSIBLY TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU CAN'T OR YOU DON'T WANT TO, THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY KIND OF WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY TODAY. RIGHT? UM, DEFINITELY I'LL BE HERE. YOU KNOW, I I I GET OFF AT WORK AT TWO 30, DON'T WORK TOO FAR FROM HERE AND YOU KNOW, I I I GET HERE AS SOON AS I CAN AND, UH, IT'S BEEN GOOD THAT, UH, THIS MEETING HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE TOWARDS THE END. SO I, I GET TO CATCH IT ALL, YOU KNOW? AND IT MAY NOT BE NEXT TIME , YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I CAN, BUT IF YOU TELL ME YOU GET OFF AND YOU CAN GET HERE AT THREE, I CAN SET THIS ONE FOR THE TIME WHEN YOU CAN GET HERE. YES. I, I GET HERE BY 2 45. I'M HERE NOW. I JUST, I GET ON THE FREEWAY AND PULL, I'M HERE QUICK . BUT, UH, NO, I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T MISS IT OUT NOW I WOULD BE HERE. OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY CONCERN FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR, UH, FOR YEARS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN I, WHEN I MOVED IN, I WAS LIKE THE YOUNG, WE WERE LIKE THE YOUNG COUPLES. NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY UP THERE AND WE HAVE NOTHING BUT ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE TAKE CARE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, ART KNOW IT'S ANOTHER GENERATION COMING IN AND THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN AFTER US, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE DON'T WANNA, UM, SAY, UM, PUT ALL THIS HAZARD MATERIALS AND ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR HOOD, YOU KNOW, THIS OUR, OUR WEST SIDE, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROUD TO, YOU KNOW, OR, OR YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR, OUR, OUR HOME, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE PAY OUR, OUR, OUR TAXES TOO. YOU KNOW, WE PAY FOR SCHOOL TAXES, WE PAY OUR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE PAY OUR DUES, YOU KNOW, I WORK, I'VE BEEN WORKING ALL MY LIFE, MAN. AND NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO HAVE PEACE. I KNOW ONCE I GET OLDER, YOU KNOW, I WANNA BE ABLE TO RELAX IN MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, PEACEFUL, YOU KNOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. BUT I, I'LL BE HERE. YOU'LL BE HERE. ALRIGHT. AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TO [03:55:01] 45, 3 O'CLOCK. I'LL BE HERE. IF, IF IT, IF IT GOES THE WAY I THINK IT'S GONE, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL HAVE IT AT A TIME WHEN, WHEN YOU CAN BE HERE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW. UH, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, COMMERS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER SIPES. YES. YES. A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK YOU HAD SAID THAT THE PLAN IS THAT YOU COULD EVENTUALLY PARK 35 CARS? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS WHAT WE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN DOES PARK TODAY, BUT THE, BUT I'M COUNTING LIKE 19, 20 SPACES ON THAT SITE PLAN. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET. SO IF, IF YOU NOTICE THAT THE BOTTOM OF SAYS CAR DETAIL THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE AT THESE THREE TO FOUR VEHICLES, THEN THE ANGLE FOR THIS RAMP ON THIS SITE, IT ACTUALLY WILL INCLUDE MORE PARKING SPACES. THESE ARE NOT ALL TABULATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT USE. IT IS JUST IN SCHEMATIC DESIGN SO THAT WE COULD SEE HOW MANY WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT IN THERE. WE COULD PUT UP TO 30, I COULD PUT UP TO TH 40 IF I WAS TO TAKE THE BUILDING AND ACTUALLY BUILD A SMALLER, A SMALLER BUILDING, SMALLER OFFICE. BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASING AND IT HAS ALL THE AMENITIES THAT MR. GARCIA NEEDS FOR HIS ACTUAL AUTO SALES. ALRIGHT. UM, ALL RIGHT, THANKS. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ALRIGHT, SO I, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. DO YOU THINK, UH, YOU CAN GET A SITE PLAN WITHIN TWO WEEKS THAT WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF? ABSOLUTELY, SIR. 100%. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO IT IS TO ME, UM, GIVEN THE AMENDMENT AND GIVEN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT AMENDMENT, UH, ENGENDERS, UH, I AM GOING TO MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER 25, UH, FOR TWO WEEKS AND DO SO MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. UM, AND STAFF, I'M GONNA SET THIS FOR TIME. CERTAIN NO EARLIER THAN 3:00 PM ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS FOR ITEM NUMBER 25. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 32. MR. SANCHEZ. MR. SANCHEZ, WHEN YOU COME HERE, THANK YOU. YEP. SINCE STAFF YELLS AT ME WHEN I ANNOUNCE MY NUMBER. ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 32 IS LOCATED AT 68 0 6 CAL TURNER DRIVE, GOING FROM I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO I TWO S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR DRONE DELIVERING STATION. THERE THERE WERE FIVE NOTICES SENT OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO POST. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. STAFF HAS NOT FOUND INDICATION OF LIKELY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE. THE EXISTING I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED I TWO S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR DRONE DELIVERY STATION IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING WAREHOUSING COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT. THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE FOR THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR DRONE DELIVERY STATION IS TO ACCOMMODATE AMAZON'S PRIME AIR DRONE DELIVERY SYSTEM. THE PROPOSED USE AND ZONING ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT IT, AS IT IS LOCATED WITHIN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA AND IN PROXIMITY TO MULTIPLE PROPERTIES WITH WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USES, THE APPLICANT HAS COORDINATED WITH MARTINDALE AIRFIELD AS IT RELATES TO FLIGHT PATH AND REGULATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. GOOD. A GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SAM BAILEY, UH, WITH, I'M THE SENIOR, UH, MANAGER FOR ECONOMICAL AND POLICY AT AMAZON, LOCATED 1515 WINE COOP STREET, DENVER, COLORADO. HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU REGARDING OUR PROJECT, WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE JUST BASED ON THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE PROJECT, JUAN, TO GIVE ADDITIONAL DETAILS. [04:00:01] THANK YOU. UM, THERE WE GO. BEAUTIFUL. UM, JUST AS BACKGROUND, THIS SITE IS REFERRED TO AS SAT THREE. THIS IS AN AMAZON ROBOTICS FULFILLMENT CENTER THAT EMPLOYS OVER 2,500 ASSOCIATES. IT'S JUST OVER 3 MILLION SQUARE FEET, UH, CONNECTING ID, UH, CUSTOMERS IN THE SAN ANTONIO, UH, COMMUNITY AND REGION, UM, TO MILLIONS OF ITEMS FOR, UH, DELIVERY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PRIME PRIME'S MISSION IS TO DELIVER A SAFETY FIRST APPROACH TO CONDUCT DRONE DELIVERY, UM, TO CUSTOMERS, UH, USING A FLEET OF FA APPROVED DRONES IN 60 MINUTES OR LESS. UM, WE'VE OBTAINED, UH, OUR ABILITY TO CONDUCT DRONE OPERATIONS, UM, AT SEVERAL SITES. UH, TO DATE, UH, CURRENT OPERATIONS ARE IN COLATION, TEXAS, IN TOLLESON, ARIZONA, WHERE WE'VE BEEN DELIVERING THOUSANDS OF ORDERS TO THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS. WE ALSO HAVE A PRIMARY TEST SITE IN PENDLETON, OREGON, WHERE WE, UH, REVIEW AND TEST OUR DRONES, PUSHING THEM TO THEIR ABSOLUTE MAX IN COORDINATION WITH THE FAA, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRONE. THIS IS THE MK 30. IT WAS CERTIFIED AND APPROVED FOR OPERATIONS BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION IN OCTOBER, AND HAS BEEN CONDUCTING DELIVERIES, UH, SINCE NOVEMBER, 2024. UM, THIS IS AN EXPANSION OF OUR PROGRAM THAT, UH, GREW UPON THE MK 27 DRONE. UH, THIS IS A FULLY AUTONOMOUS OPERATION, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE DRONE MONITORS BASED ON SITE AT OUR SAT THREE LOCATION. UM, IT POSSESSES DETECT AND AVOID TECHNOLOGY, SO RADAR TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE AWAY FROM OBSTRUCTIONS THAT MAY OCCUR, UM, AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO OPERATE IN WIND AND LIGHT RAIN. THE PERCEPTION SYSTEM AT DELIVERY ALSO ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY OTHER OBSTACLES, HUMANS, ANIMALS, UH, AND PETS. AT THE POINT DELIVERY, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU, IT CAN TRAVEL UP TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILES AND CARRY A FIVE POUND, UH, DELIVERY. UM, THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, SOMEONE GOES ON TO AMAZON.COM OR THE APP THEY PURCHASE, THEY OPT INTO THIS. SO NOT EVERYONE IS REQUIRED TO UTILIZE THIS. SO PEOPLE CAN OPT IN. THEY CAN ALSO OPT OUT AND HAVE THEIR HOMES REMOVED FROM BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE DRONE DELIVERY. THAT PACKAGE IS TAKEN FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER OUT TO WHAT'S CALLED A PADDOCK, A PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU. THE DRONE IS THEN LOADED. IT THEN TAKES A VERTICAL TAKEOFF, TRANSITIONS TO HORIZONTAL FLIGHT, UH, ARRIVES AT THE CUSTOMER SELECTED POINT DELIVERY WHERE IT'LL THEN DESCEND TO ABOUT 12 FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. AND THEN IT WILL DROP THAT PACKAGE AT THAT POINT DELIVERY. IF FOR ANY REASON I HAVE THREE KIDS, THREE LITTLE BOYS, IF THEY WERE RUN OUT IN THE BACKYARD, THE DRONE WOULD DETECT THAT. IT WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA CONDUCT THE DELIVERY RETURN TO STATION AND NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER IF THERE WAS AN OBSTACLE. SO THIS IS THE GENERAL FLIGHT PATH THAT YOU WOULD SEE. THIS WILL BECOME FURTHER DEFINED BY THE FAA AS WE CONDUCT OUR AIRSPACE REVIEW AND APPROVAL, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T INTERFERE WITH ANY ONGOING OPERATIONS. AGAIN, THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BOX THAT YOU'LL SEE, AND IT MIGHT BE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS. I HAVE LITTLE KIDS, SO THESE ARE VERY FAMILIAR ITEMS. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOUND. WE ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY CONDUCTED A SOUND STUDY AT A SITE IN TULSA, ARIZONA, UH, WHERE WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UM, UH, MEETING AND, UH, NOT CREATING A NUISANCE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOME DELIVERY EXPERIENCE IS WHAT I'LL FOCUS ON, UH, COMPARED TO THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF AUDIOLOGY. UM, SO THAT MODERATE, UM, MODERATE SOUND, UM, THIS SITE IS ALREADY LOCATED SO FAR AWAY FROM RESIDENCES. WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE ISSUE OF CREATING A LOT OF NOISE FOR A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT LOCATION WHERE, UH, SAT THREE IS THIS, AGAIN, JUST THE SOUND STUDY SHOWING YOU WHERE THE SOUND WAS CONDUCTED, UM, AT BOTH OUR, SORRY, FULFILLMENT CENTER. UM, AND THEN AT THE BACKYARD DELIVERY, AND THEN THE FRONT OF HOME. SO AGAIN, VERY QUICK EXPOSURE. THE DRONE DROPS THE PACKAGE AND THEN QUICKLY ASCENDS RETURNS TO THE STATION. THIS IS THE PADDOCK, THE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER. SO TWO MODULAR UNITS, UH, LANDING PADS THAT ARE THERE. THE, UH, LOCATION OR THE MODULAR UNIT ON THE SOUTH IS WHAT WE CALL THE BAT CACHE. THAT'S BATTERY CHARGING AND STORAGE UNIT ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S OUR ON ONSITE FLIGHT MONITORING CENTER, WHERE WE ALSO CAN STORE AND DO LIGHT MAINTENANCE OF THE DRONES. THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF. UH, UH, IT'S WITH NORTH BEING UP. UM, THE PADDOCK IS, UH, SET TO BE INTEGRATED AT THE SOUTH KIND OF EAST PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT. UM, AGAIN, THIS BEING SUCH A LARGE BUILDING, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING AVAILABLE AT THIS SITE. UM, COUPLE OF PROCESSES WE WENT THROUGH, AND A BIG THANK YOU TO THE STAFF WHO WORKED ON THIS COMPLEX PROJECT. UM, GOING TO DETERMINE OF THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR DRONE PORT THEN COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THIS LAND USE DISCUSSION. IN PARALLEL, WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS THROUGH THE FAA. THAT INCLUDES ONE, IDENTIFYING OUR ABILITY, AN AREA OF OPERATION FOR OUR AIRSPACE. UH, THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS, NOT ALL OF THAT WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRONE DELIVERY. THERE ARE GONNA BE PLACES WHERE WE CONFLICT WITH MARTINDALE, ARMY, AIRFIELD, OTHER, UM, MILITARY INSTALLATIONS, OTHER CRITICAL ASSETS WHERE WE WON'T OPERATE. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A HOSPITAL. GENERALLY ANY HOSPITAL AT THE HELIPAD, WE PUT A HALF A MILE, NO FLY ZONE OVER WORK WITH THOSE AIRSPACE OPERATORS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE THAT THIS DRONE DOES NOT CAUSE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT. SO THAT PROCESS WILL BE ONGOING AS WELL. UM, TO DATE, WE'VE ENGAGED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THE TEXAS MIL [04:05:01] MILITARY DEPARTMENT AND AEROSPACE USERS FROM CROSS ANTONIO. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY HOSTING AN IN-PERSON EVENT, ST. PHILIPS COLLEGE ON MAY 20TH. UH, WE'VE DONE OUTREACH TO THREE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ASSOCIATIONS NEARBY AND ARE GETTING FURTHER GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE INTO, UH, MORE EXPANDED ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY NEARBY, BUT WE WILL BE DELIVERING TO THEM. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND COMMUNICATING WHAT THIS BENEFIT WILL BE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, AGAIN, A LITTLE FURTHER BACKGROUND, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE JUGGLING BOTH LOCAL JURISDICTION AND FEDERAL JURISDICTION. THESE ARE PROCESSES THAT WILL OCCUR TOGETHER AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT, A BUSINESS, A NONPROFIT, THE CITY ITSELF CAN BE, UH, RESPOND TO THE FAS UH, PROCESS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FROM THE LOCAL TO THE FEDERAL SIDE THAT WE'LL TAKE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A VERY LONG DAY. UM, SO I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BAILEY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, SO COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR WAITING THROUGH THIS VERY LONG MEETING. UM, A I MEAN WE HAVE, WE, THIS IS, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ATYPICALLY LONG, BUT I DON'T WANNA CURSE US FOR NEXT ONE. UM, SINCE IT DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES. UM, YET YOU DID , I ALWAYS GOTTA RUIN IT. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ONLY FIVE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT, ESPECIALLY, UM, NOT SO MUCH IN TERMS OF THE SITE ITSELF AND ITS APPROPRIATENESS, BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE FLIGHT PATHS COULD POTENTIALLY BE OVER NEIGHBOR'S HOMES. AND BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF WHO OUR COMMUNITY IS AND HOW THEY COULD BE IMPACTED AND WHAT CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE, THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED. SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS, UH, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I HAVE SINCE I COULD NOT MAKE THAT MEETING IN THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE, THOUGH. I APPRECIATE YOU SENDING ME THE INFORMATION FROM IT. ABOUT WHAT SIZE IS THE DRONE THAT, UM, SINCE I APPRECIATE THE, THE OTHER INFORMATION THERE, BUT, AND SORT OF THE PICTURES, BUT COULD YOU JUST FIRST SURE. SENSE THE SCALE, SHARE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, THE DRONE IS 83 POUNDS. IT IS FOUR, UH, FOUR FEET, 11 INCHES WIDE AND FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES TALL. NOT QUITE THAT, BUT THAT'S THE SIZE. IT WEIGHS 83 POUNDS. OKAY. SO IT'S LARGE-ISH COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING TO LIKE, SAY A BACKYARD DRONE THAT SOMEBODY IS USING FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER, IT DOES ALSO CARRY A PART 1 35 AIR CARRIER CERTIFICATE. SO IT HAS TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE FA WITH A TAIL NUMBER THAT'S BRANDED. SO IT CARRIES, UH, MUCH MORE, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND LIABILITY THAN YOUR RECREATIONAL DRONE USER. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. UM, CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, DURING THE DELIVERY PROCESS? WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS CAN OPT IN OR OUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A DRONE BEING IN THEIR BACKYARD AND NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, A A CUSTOMER OPTION, A CONSUMER OPTION, UM, CONSUMER CHOICE WHEN A DRONE DELIVERY IS HAPPENING. UM, HOW WOULD YOU FLIGHT PAST WORK? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THESE DRONES WILL BE FLYING OVER PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, RESIDENTIAL STREETS? COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? YEAH, SO THE DRONE WILL TAKE THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE, UM, TO THE CUSTOMER'S HOME. NOW, IN SOME CASES, WE'RE AVOIDING A HOSPITAL OR LET'S SAY MARTINDALE, AND WE HAVE TO ROUTE AROUND IT. IT WILL TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE THAT'S LESS EFFICIENT, BUT NOT DIRECTLY. AS THE CROW FLIES, THE DRONE WILL OPERATE THE HORIZONTAL FLIGHT BETWEEN 200, 400 FEET. THAT LEVEL WILL BE SET IN COORDINATION WITH THE FAA. AND SO IT'S TRAVELING AT ABOUT 60 MILES AN HOUR TO THE CUSTOMER'S HOME. IT WILL THEN DESCEND TO ABOUT 12 FEET AT THE CUSTOMER'S SELECTED POINT OF DELIVERY. SO THAT'S EITHER GONNA BE THEIR BACKYARD FRONT YARD, IT'LL DROP VERY BRIEFLY, DROP THE PACKAGE QUICKLY, ASCEND, RETURN TO STATION. SO ONE FLIGHT PER ORDER, UM, NOT, NOT MULTIPLE ORDERS WITHIN A FLIGHT. SO BRIEF EXPOSURE. UH, AND AGAIN, THE EXPOSURE IS THAT DRONE, UH, OPERATING BETWEEN TWO 200 AND 400 FEET IN THE AIR. UM, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE POINT OF DELIVERY, UM, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SAY IF YOU'RE IN THE, THE BACKYARD NEXT TO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, THAT IT'S BEING, THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT, YOU WOULD, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IT COME DOWN IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD, YOU MAY BRIEFLY BE ABLE TO SEE IT. I THINK THE EXPOSURE TO THAT POINT, IT WOULD SOUND LIKE A DISHWASHER. UM, SO IT'S SUCH A BRIEF EXPOSURE THAT IT WOULD QUICKLY DESCEND TO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD, DROP THE PACKAGE, THEN GO AWAY. I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE VISIBILITY ISSUE. AND, AND QUESTIONS ABOUT SORT OF, UH, DATA OR VIDEO IMAGING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THAT WE ANTICIPATE C COMMUNITY MEMBERS POTENTIALLY HAVING? SURE. SO, UM, TEXAS STATE LAW DOES PREVENT COMPANIES FROM CONDUCTING COMMERCIAL SURVEILLANCE. SO THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. WE'RE SIMPLY FOCUSED ON DELIVERING A PACKAGE. WE CAN'T LOOK THROUGH ANYONE'S WINDOW. WE CAN'T CONDUCT ANY SURVEILLANCE. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS DURING THE FLIGHT, OUR FORWARD FACING CAMERA, IF WE DID ENCOUNTER AN OBSTACLE, SO A TEMPORARY CRANE IS UP FOR CONSTRUCTION SITE, WE WOULD WANNA BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT VIDEO TO BE ABLE TO THEN MARK ON OUR MAP SYSTEM THAT THERE IS AN OBSTRUCTION THAT WE NEED TO AVOID AT THAT AREA. BUT TEXAS STATE LAW ALSO PROVIDES THAT COMMERCIAL OPERATORS CANNOT CONDUCT ANY SURVEILLANCE, UH, WHATSOEVER IN THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION, CUSTOMERS WHO, LET'S SAY IF YOUR NEIGHBOR IS DELIVERING, UM, OR IS GETTING DELIVERY AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR HOUSE VIEWED, YOU CAN ACTUALLY OPT OUT AND HAVE YOUR HOUSE BLURRED OUT. UM, SO [04:10:01] THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, FOOTAGE OF US COMING DOWN TO DROP A PACKAGE WOULDN'T BE RECORDED. OKAY. UM, THIS, I KNOW THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A LAND USE CONCERN, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF WHY, OF COURSE, , WHY, WHY THIS IS PULLED TO INDIVIDUAL AND WHY OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS REQUESTS WERE WHAT THEY WERE. UM, WHAT, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT DATA SINCE YOU THERE, IS THAT, THAT SORT OF CAMERA STUFF THAT HAPPENED, YOU MENTIONED YOU CAN BLUR PEOPLE OUT. HOW IS THAT DATA STORED, UM, AND HOW LONG IS THEY KEPT FOR? SO THE DATA IS STORED ON AMAZON WEB SERVICES AS, WHICH IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR CRITICAL SYSTEMS. UM, IT'S ONLY KEPT IF THERE IS A NOTICE OF LIKE AN OBSTRUCTION OR IF THERE'S A REPORTABLE INCIDENT TO THE A THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND THEN SHARE RECORDS WITH. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT CONTEXT. UM, CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR, UH, THIS CASE? UM, AND ALSO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE DONE OUTREACH TO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW GREATER SATX ON THERE. I THINK I MAYBE DID, I KNOW I GOT THEIR LETTER, UM, IN ST. PHELPS COLLEGE. AND SORT OF THE, THE CHOICES YOU'VE MADE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE TIMELINE, UM, AND WHAT SORT OF FEEDBACK YOU'VE RECEIVED. YES. SO, UM, WE MET WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN MICKEY RODRIGUEZ BACK IN MARCH, I BELIEVE MARCH 19TH. UM, WE'VE HAD ONGOING ENGAGEMENT, WHICH WE PROVIDED, UM, REQUESTING DIRECT INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT HE, HIS OFFICE HAS ASKED US TO REACH OUT TO. WE HAVE STILL NOT RECEIVED THAT TO DATE. WE DID RECEIVE A EXCEL SPREADSHEET WITH 9,200 CONTACTS, BUT WE'VE AGAIN LEFT A VOICEMAIL. WE'VE ASKED FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT DID PROVIDE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS, EASTGATE DEL CREST AND, AND HUE MANOR THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO AS OF LAST WEEK. THAT WAS PROVIDED ON, I BELIEVE MAY 1ST, LAST THURSDAY. NOT HEARD FROM 'EM YET. WE ARE MAKING FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION WITH THE GOAL OF HOSTING AN IN-PERSON AS WELL AS VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T MAKE IT TO EDUCATE THEM AS TO WHAT PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY IS FROM OUR AMAZON SITE. UH, WE DID HAVE AN EXTENSIVE CALL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO JOIN US WITH THE, UM, TEXAS MILITARY DEPARTMENT THAT OCCURRED ON APRIL 22ND. UH, THAT INCLUDED MEMBERS OF OUR AIRSPACE TEAM JUST TO DISCUSS HOW WE DECONFLICT THE AIRSPACE, UH, AND WORK WITH OUR FLIGHT SAFETY, UM, OR FLIGHT STANDARDS DISTRICT OFFICES AND IDENTIFYING AIRSPACE OPPORTUNITIES. UM, ALAMO COLLEGE DISTRICT WAS SELECTED BECAUSE, AND ST. PHILIP'S COLLEGE, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE DISTRICT, UH, WOULD BE A GREAT CONVENIENCE SPACE. ALSO ALLOW US TO PARTNER POTENTIALLY WITH HIGHER EDUCATION ON OUR DRONE OPERATIONS MONITOR, UH, ROLES THAT WE WOULD ADD AT THE SITE. SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. WE'VE BEEN ADAMANT AND IN WRITING AND VERBALLY AND OVER THE PHONE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNED WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S REQUESTS. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I THINK THAT I DO HAVE, UH, SOME SUBSTANTIAL COMMENTS, BUT, UM, I DO WANNA OPEN IT UP TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS, SHOULD THEY HAVE ANY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT? YES, COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW, JOSE. WOW. I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, LAST MEETING WE HAD A PICTURE OF AN A TAT FROM STAR WARS AND NOW WE HAVE DRONES. I MEAN, THIS IS PHENOMENAL. THE FUTURE IS NOW. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT, I GUESS. UH, BUT ANYWAY, JUST TWO QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SHOOT IT OUTTA THE AIR COMMISSIONER? PLEASE DON'T. UM, I WON'T. YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE SAID IF SOMEBODY TRIES TO, IF SOMEONE TRIES TO THIS, UH, THIS DRONE CARRIES AN FA CERTIFICATION. SO IT'S NOT ONLY A LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, IT'S A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. SO AGAIN, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO, THEY SHOULD EMAIL US THEIR COMPLAINTS AT, UH, AT, AND ACTUALLY, I CAN PULL UP MY, I MEAN, AMAZON DROVE FEEDBACK@AMAZON.COM. DO THAT FIRST. PLEASE DON'T DISCHARGE A WEAPON IN THE AIR AT ONE OF OUR DRONES OR IN THE AIRCRAFT BRAIN THROUGH TAT. THAT MOVIE WAS AN INDEPENDENCE DAY WHEN THEY, THEY SAID, PLEASE, RESIDENTS DO NOT SHOOT DOWN, SHOOT AT THE ALIEN SPACESHIP. YEAH. UH, I ARE THERE, ARE THERE GONNA BE SEVERAL DAYS? ARE ARE THERE, WILL THERE BE HOLIDAYS OR CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT FLY? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, NEW YEAR'S, 4TH OF JULY, I MEAN, WE ARE SHOOTING FIREWORKS MORE THAN THE DOWNTOWN. SURE. IT'S CRAZY. SO THE FLY PATH, I'M, I'M SURE I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ALL AI, RIGHT? I MEAN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING, BUT CAN THEY AVOID LIKE A FIREWORK, UH, OR ROCKET? SO THE FAA ALLOWS US TO OPERATE IN WHAT'S CALLED CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS. SO 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE, 30 MINUTES AFTER SUNSET. UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER FOR IF WE CAN COMMENCE A DRONE DELIVERY OR IF WE NEED TO PUT IT IN A VEHICLE AS WE CURRENTLY DO. UM, THERE WILL BE DAYS BASED ON WEATHER WHERE WE CAN OPERATE BASED ON HEAVY WIND, RAIN. UM, IF LAW ENFORCEMENT WERE TO CALL US AND SAY THERE IS AN ACT AN AN EVENT OR FIRST RESPONDER EMERGENCY GOING ON, WE WOULD ALSO SUSPEND OUR FLEET OPERATION. SO WE HAVE THE FINAL DETERMINATION, UM, TO DECIDE WHEN WE ARE GONNA FLY AND ALSO BE ADVISED AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAININGS THAT ARE OCCURRING AT ONE OF THE MANY AIR BASES THAT ARE HERE. THAT COMMUNICATION STAYS OPEN. SO WE WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WAS THE SAFEST APPROACH FOR, UM, OUR OPERATIONS. GOTCHA. MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW, THIS IS ALREADY IN OPERATION IN OTHER CITIES. YES. [04:15:01] HOW MANY DRONES AT ONE TIME WILL BE UP THERE? SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE AT EARLY START THAT WE'D HAVE 12 TO 15 DRONES BASED AT SAT THREE. UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SCALE. IT WILL COME DOWN TO CUSTOMER DEMAND AND OUR ABILITY TO MANUFACTURE THEM. WE DESIGN AND MANUFACTURE THESE IN WASHINGTON STATE. UM, SO IT WOULD COME UP TO US TO ONE, JUSTIFY THE ABILITY TO SCALE IT AND THEN DEPLOY MORE DRONES THERE. WHEN WE DO OUR NEPA STUDY, THE NATIONAL ENVIR ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT IS GONNA ANTICIPATE AROUND 250 FLIGHTS PER DAY AT A HIGHER CAP, THINKING THAT WE WILL HAVE GOTTEN TO A GREATER CAPACITY. SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE MORE DRONES THERE, BUT I BELIEVE WE'RE BETWEEN 10 AND 15 AT AN INITIAL LAUNCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. COMMISSIONER REYES, QUICKLY, UH, FOR STAFF YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, NOOP, NO OPPOSITION? NONE. OKAY. FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU MET WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE? YES, WE DID. WHO OWNS THE AIRSPACE ABOVE PEOPLE'S HOMES? UH, THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. THANK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY, WHEN ARE YOU GUYS CAN EXPAND TO SAT FOUR? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK, YOU KNOW, FIRST WE HAD TO CREATE THE DEFINITION, THE RID PROCESS, WHICH AGAIN, STAFF WORKS WITH US ON. UM, FOR RIGHT NOW, SAT THREE IS A VERY HIGH PERFORMING SITE AND IT HAS THE LARGEST INVENTORY CURRENTLY THAT WE COULD UTILIZE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY WITH. SO WE PRIORITIZE THIS. THIS SITE ALSO HAS A LOT OF PARKING, SO WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING OUR, OUR PARKING ALLOCATION TOO MUCH. THE PADDOCK IS ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET, SO ABOUT 20 TO 30 PARKING SPOTS. UM, SO THIS IS OUR, OUR FIRST STEP AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO VALIDATE IT HERE BEFORE WE, WE WOULD THEN EXPAND, AND I BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO THEN EXPAND, WE'D BE BACK AT THE SAME HEARING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER, UM, ZONING APPLICATION TO ADD THAT SITE TO ANOTHER ONE. SO WE WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR A, ANOTHER SITE. QUICK. ONE SECOND. LEMME COME OVER HERE FIRST. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WHAT, WAIT. ALL RIGHT. GO. COMMISSIONER SIPES, I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR RADIUS THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD DELIVER TO? THE DRONE HAS A CAPACITY TO DELIVER UP TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILES, BUT BASED ON THE SURROUNDING, UM, MILITARY AIRSPACE AND OTHER USES, THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILES MIGHT BE A BIT CHECKERBOARDED OR LESS THAN IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS. SO AGAIN, SEVEN AND A HALF MILES, BUT THAT WILL SHRINK CONSIDERABLY AND HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE WE CAN'T DELIVER. NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRONE DELIVERY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEP. ALRIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU AND THEN THAT WAS MY QUESTION. OKAY, VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU. UM, JUST GOING BACK, UH, I, I THINK I ASKED THIS BUT MAYBE NOT CLEARLY ENOUGH. UM, WAS, DID YOU REQUEST TO EXPEDITE THIS CASE FOR ANY REASON? UM, WE, UH, REQUESTED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION BASED ON THE ABILITY TO, UH, IF APPROVED HERE TO BE ON COUNCIL AHEAD OF THE JULY RECESS. UM, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, IF WE CAN HAVE THIS PROJECT BE CONDUCTED ON TIME, GO THROUGH A SIMULTANEOUS PROCESS WITH THE FAA, CONSTRUCT THE SITE, DO TESTING BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY LAUNCH BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THE MAIN CONCERN IS, WELL, I GUESS IT'S NOT THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK. UM, IS THERE A POTENTIAL OF RISK TO YOUR PROJECT, UM, IN TERMS OF OTHER PERMITTING, UH, OR PUBLIC INPUT, OVERSIGHT REGULATION, UH, PROCESSES, UH, IF YOU GET PUSHED OUT TO A COUNCIL VOTE AFTER THE JULY DATE, OR IS IT JUST AN INTERNAL TIMELINE? UM, IF WE GET PUSHED OUT, UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT IDEALLY IN JUNE AND JULY, UM, WHERE WE ARE GETTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. UM, AND SO WE'LL BE RESPONDING TO COMMENTS. MY CONCERN WOULD BE RESPONDING TO COMMENTS THAT HAVE GONE OUT NOW TO A MUCH BROADER AUDIENCE AS PART OF THE FA A'S PROCESS, WHILE NOT HAVING THE LOCAL LAND USE APPROVAL SECURED. BECAUSE WITHOUT THE LOCAL LAND USE APPROVAL SECURED, THE FEDERAL AEROSPACE CONVERSATION IS MUTE. IT'S ALSO A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TIME, UH, INTENSIVE. AND SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT ONE, WE START AT A HYPER-LOCAL LEVEL TO SECURE AN APPROVAL FROM HERE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BEFORE THEN MOVING ON AGGRESSIVELY THROUGH A FEDERAL PROCESS, WHICH AGAIN, BASED ON PREVAILING TIMELINES, COULD TAKE LONGER THAN EXPECTED. THANK YOU. UM, I AM GOING TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION AND A MOTION, UM, PROVIDED NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER MR. ANTE'S DIRECTION, NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. UM, SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. OKAY. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PATIENCE WITH US. UM, AT THE ONSET OF THIS, WHEN YOU, UM, REACHED OUT TO US, WE ADVISED THIS WAS A VERY DIFFICULT TIME OF YEAR TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THERE WERE LIKELY GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONCERNS. UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, [04:20:01] THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER RAY HAS REMINDED US OF THE REGULATORY, UH, CONCERNS, UH, AUTHORITIES, ET CETERA INVOLVED, UM, HISTORICAL CONTEXT. AND THE REASON WHY, EVEN THOUGH WE SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL IN THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BROADER COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING THE MERITS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, WE HAVE MILITARY BASES IN THE AREA. UM, WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INCURSION IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR PRIVACY. UM, WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN LIKE FIREWORKS AND PEOPLE SHOOTING THINGS DOWN AND, UM, AND PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES WITH AVIATION TYPE SITUATIONS. UM, WE'VE HAD CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT MILITARY EXERCISES THAT THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING, UM, ABOUT UNMARKED VEHICLES WHEN THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON. UM, AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE NATURE OF, UM, HOW THE DRONE DELIVERY WORKS, WE THINK IT IS REASONABLE, UM, THAT THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. MOST FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH FAA, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A PUBLIC PROCESS AND AN OUTREACH THAT'S REQUIRED, HOW THAT WORKS. UM, AND SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR OR GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IN A PUBLIC FORUM THAT WE APPRECIATE THAT IT'S HAPPENING MAY 20TH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JUST AN INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HEARING SO THAT YOU DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU GET A HEADLINE IN A NEWSPAPER THAT'S LIKE EAST SIDE'S GETTING DRONES, AND THEN PEOPLE FREAK OUT AND YOU HAVE UNEXPECTED OPPOSITION COME IN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM YOU WHAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY BASED ON SOME PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE. SO, UM, WE REQUESTED, UM, OUR ORIGINAL TIMELINE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER. WITH THAT IN MIND TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TO SET YOU UP FOR THE MOST LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS AND MAKE SURE THE BROADER COMMUNITY COULD UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THEM, UM, BASED ON THAT, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, HAVING CONTINUANCE UNTIL AFTER YOUR MAY 20TH HEARING. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SHARED HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT YOUR TIMELINE. UM, AND, UH, THAT MY MO BASED ON THAT, MY MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE IS GOING TO BE, UH, IS GONNA BE FOR CONTINUANCE, UM, UNTIL FOR FOUR WEEKS. SO IT'S MY MEETING. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE JUNE 3RD MEETING BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S FOR TO JUNE 3RD. JUNE 3RD. CAN WE RESPOND? SORRY. UM, I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND, UM, IF, YEAH. UH, WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THAT. WE'VE, WE ARE ENDEAVORING TO THAT. WE HAVE MADE COMMUNICATIONS EVERY WEEK GOING BACK TO MARCH 19TH WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE ON DIRECTION IN WRITING AND VERBALLY STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN FEEDBACK TO THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES HE OUTLINED THAT HE WANTED US TO ENGAGE WITH. WE HAVE THIS IN WRITING, WE'VE SHARED THAT WITH YOU. WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO FOLLOW THAT DIRECTION AND HAVE HAD NO FOLLOW THROUGH AS OF TODAY. AND SO WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER. WE HAVE RESERVED SPACE. WE ARE HOSTING A LARGER EVENT ON MAY 20TH. WE, WE HAVE OVER COMMUNICATED AND RECEIVED NO RESPONSE OR DIRECTION AFTER SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS WERE SET BEFORE US, A CONTINUANCE WOULD FURTHER DELAY OUR PROJECT. I, I'M ALSO CONCERNED AS TO WHAT FURTHER DIRECTION WE ARE GONNA GET AS WE HAVE OVER COMMUNICATED EACH WEEK SINCE THAT INITIAL MEETING, ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AS TO WHO SPECIFICALLY HE WANTED US TO MEET WITH AND TO THE STATE. HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY GUIDANCE THERE. WE JUST RECEIVED THE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON MAY 1ST REACHED OUT TO THEM WITHIN 45 MINUTES OF THAT COMMUNICATION. SO WE, WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO BE GOOD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LEADERS. UM, BUT BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE WERE PROVIDED, WE STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED RESPONSES AFTER MULTIPLE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE PROVIDED TO, UH, YOU IN WRITING. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. UM, AGAIN, WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS, WE TOLD YOU THIS WAS GONNA BE A TIME OF YEAR THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE SET YOU UP FOR THAT EXPECTATION. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND MY COMMISSIONERS HAVE THEIR OWN VOTE. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET THIS TIME AND ATTENTION. SHOULD MY CONTINUANCE MOTION FAIL AND YOU MOVE FORWARD TODAY, I WOULD JUST PREPARE YOURSELF TO EXPECT THAT THERE MAY BE A DELAY ON THE, WHEN YOU'RE GOING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL IF WE DO NOT HAVE THAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH AN ELECTION, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, AND AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE TIMETABLE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD FAIR EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT YOU COULD EXPECT FROM EVEN COMMUNITY LEADERS GETTING BACK TO YOU DURING THIS TIME OF SEASON. WHICH IS WHY WE WERE LIKE, PERHAPS WAIT, UM, BECAUSE WE, WE SET THAT EXPECTATION UP. UM, WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH. UH, YOU GOT THOSE, THOSE NOTICES FROM DSC BECAUSE I CALLED AND MADE SURE YOU DID. I WAS NOT CC'D ON ALL OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE AFTER THAT MARCH 19TH MEETING. AND IF I HAD BEEN, YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT EARLIER. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE SHARED THAT INFORMATION LATER. UM, AND UM, I STILL, JUST FOR THE GENUINELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOU, MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T RUN INTO UNEXPECTED OPPOSITION LATER, UM, WOULD SUGGEST, UH, THAT YOU GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK IS AT THAT MAY 20TH MEETING. UM, IF YOU DON'T HEAR BACK FROM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LEADERS, WHICH DOES HAPPEN, UM, WE WILL NOT, UM, THAT WON'T WEIGH UNFAIRLY AGAINST YOU. UH, OUR, OUR POLICY IS TYPICALLY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS NEED TO BE AWARE. UM, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY, UM, HAD ISSUES WITH TRUST, ESPECIALLY WITH MAJOR INSTITUTIONS PUTTING INVESTMENTS OR PROMISING INVESTMENTS IN THE [04:25:01] COMMUNITY, UM, THAT HAVE NOT COME THROUGH. UM, AND SO SEEING A GREATER SATX LETTER OR SUPPORT OR THAT COMING OUT AGAIN NEWSPAPER WITHOUT PEOPLE SEEING IT, MAY GIVE YOU AND GET YOU INTO SOME HAIRY WATERS LATER. UM, SO IT'S GENUINELY TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IF IT'S JUST THAT PUBLIC MEETING ON MAY 20TH, IN ADDITION TO THE SECOND MOMENT WE'VE HAD IN A PUBLIC FORUM, YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. UM, AGAIN, IF THIS ENDS UP MOVING FORWARD TODAY, UM, IF MY COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN, UH, ABILITY TO, TO MAKE A DECISION, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO EXPECT, UM, POTENTIAL DELAYS LATER IN THE PROCESS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE JUNE 3RD MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION. ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION LEFT RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? NO. COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER SUP? NO. THAT'S MOTION FAILS. YEAH. MOTION FAILS. ALRIGHT. ARE WE DOING RECONSIDERATION STILL? YES. FINE. ALRIGHT. UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FROM SOMEONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PREVIOUS MOTION. MOTION TO RECONSIDER. THERE IS A MOTION FOR RECON TO RECONSIDER. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, NO DISCUSSION. UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. ON A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. MOTION TO RECONSIDER. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? NO. COMMISSIONER WATSON? NO. COMMISSIONER NOOL? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S UP? YES. ALRIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? YES. COMMISSIONER TO THAT. SO FOR THE, FOR THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION, ARE WE STILL UNDER THE SIX VOTES IN ORDER THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE SIX VOTES? YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIX VOTES. YES. OKAY. GOTCHA. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. . ALRIGHT. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE. ALRIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THERE IS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION. LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? NO. COMMISSIONER WATSON? NO. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER REYES? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUS. SAMANTHA? NO. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION FAILED. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. VOTE. SO THAT IS A, AN AUTOMATIC CONTINUANCE. TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. UH, BASED ON THAT, UM, MR. BAILEY, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU DIRECTLY. UM, YOU DO HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER FROM EMAILS. PLEASE CC ME ON EVERY SINGLE COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE ABOUT THIS. WHEN THERE IS A BUSY SEASON. SINCE THE STAFF HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES, I CAN TYPICALLY GET A REQUEST FULFILLED QUICKLY. AND WE DO HAVE CHALLENGES WITH SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LEADERS. THEY'RE OLDER, TYPICALLY THEY ARE SENIORS. THEY DO NOT ALWAYS PICK UP CALLS FROM UNRECOGNIZED NUMBERS. THEY DO NOT CHECK THEIR EMAIL AS REGULARLY AS THEY MIGHT. UM, AND SO WE CAN DEFINITELY HELP FACILITATE THAT. I CAN PICK UP THE SLACK AND USUALLY DO WHEN THE COUNCIL STAFF CANNOT. UM, AND THEY DO RELY ON ME FOR THAT. SO IF YOU CC ME ON THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, YOU WILL BE ASSISTED AND YOU WILL BE ASSISTED IN A TIMELY MANNER. AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU CONNECT WITH THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, AT LEAST TO GET SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK, UM, BEFORE THE NEXT ZONING COMMISSION HEARING. UM, AND THEN WE WILL DEFINITELY BE SUPPORTIVE AND APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS [04:30:01] FOR THE, THE HEARING ON MAY 20TH. AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT SECOND MEETING AS WELL. THANK YOU SO [Approval of Minutes  ] MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE APRIL 15TH MEETING. I MOVE TO APPROVE THEM . AND SECOND, THOUGH, I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE MY USUAL SPIEL. UH, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. SECONDS. ALRIGHT. UH, THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES I SUBMITTED UP FOR APRIL 15TH BY COMMISSIONER WITT WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED NAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION? NO SIR. WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. ALRIGHT. THE TIME IS 5 39 AND THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.