* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:04] GOOD AFTERNOON. TIME IS DOWN. 3:00 PM I'D LIKE THAT. CALL. CALL TO ORDER THIS STORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 21ST, 2025. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON. PRESENT SAVINA. HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY WAY PRESENT. MOOKA GUEVARA. HERE. GRU CERVANTES HOLLAND. FETZER AYE. HERE AND GIBBS. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE, UM, TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THE STORY DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION IS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FESSLER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSIONS' NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF STORE PRESERVATION. AT, AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE ROLL AGAIN. HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WALK IN. UM, WELCOME EVERYONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, FIRST I JUST WANNA NOTE A NEW ADDITION TO THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE CHRIS MAMAN REPRESENTING DISTRICT ONE. WELCOME. UH, THIS IS FIRST HEARING. WOOHOO. YEAH, . I LIKE THAT ENTHUSIASM. AND THEN ON THE STAFF SIDE, WE ALSO HAVE A NEW, UH, HIRE ADRIAN GALLEGO GALLEGOS, UH, JOINING US TODAY. UM, YOU WILL SEE HIM IN THE FUTURE AS A CASE MANAGER. YEAH. YAY. YAY. ROUND OF APPLAUSE . AND, UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE JUST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 7TH. MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 7TH, 2025. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH. ARE WE STILL GONNA DO THE INFORMATION ON THE ITC PROCESS? WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT. I THOUGHT WE MOTION FOR THAT. IT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT, IT'S JUST INFORMATION ON THE PROCESS. WE'RE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT THEN. NO. I MEAN, THE CITY IS NOT REALLY INVOLVED IN THE DEMOLITION QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED. CORRECT. IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMA INFORMATION. BRIEFER THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN ADDITION TO US. THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR IT AND VOTED ON IT LAST TIME. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WORK SESSION. WELL, WORK SESSION IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THOUGH, IS IT? UM, YEAH, WE POST IT WITH THE AGENDA. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMON ABSTAIN. SENO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NAY. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MR. CHAIR? UH, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY VOTE TO A NAY. UH, THAT THE ITEM THAT MR. CERVANTES [00:05:01] IS TALKING ABOUT WAS MOTIONED ON IT WAS SECONDED FOR A BRIEFING IN THIS HEARING SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. UM, AND, UM, IT WAS AN OFFICIAL ACTION OF THE COMMISSION. YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE. I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT THEN THAT'S JUST REALLY A COMMENT. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE REST OF THE PART OF THE MINUTES, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE TO NA IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO. Y YES, SIR. BUT, UH, RESPECTFULLY AS A CHAIR, I HAD ASK THAT WE, WE GET SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROTOCOL BECAUSE WE HAVE A A A A FIRST AND, YOU KNOW, A SECOND FOR IT TO BE ON AN AGENDA. HOWEVER, THAT IS, IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN, IN THAT CONTEXT, IT SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. SO AFTER THE VOTE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, UM, DUE DILIGENCE. THANK YOU. UM, MS. MOTION CARRIES. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE AGENDA GOES, AS, UM, FOR THE ITC, SO, UM, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT AT LAST MEETING AND IT WAS ALSO SHARED THAT THE CITY HAS NO, UM, NO ROLE IN THAT. UM, AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS MOTION AND APPROVED THE LAST TIME WE HAD IT, UM, OUR MEETING. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WE CAN MAKE IT SO WE CAN SAY, HAVE A SESSION WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. SO YOU COULD BE BRIEFED ON IT, BUT THAT IN ITSELF DOESN'T, UM, NEGATE THE REST OF THE MINUTES THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA. I MEAN THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR. SO WE CAN, UM, SET UP WITH, UM, COREY AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN SET SOME TIME UP. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] OKAY, SIR. OKAY. UM, SO ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE, UM, EIGHT ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE HAVE VOICEMAIL COMMENTS FOR ONE AS WELL AS LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET. SO WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS AT THIS TIME. YES. HDRC AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 4 62 MARY LOUIS DRIVE. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. NUMBER ONE, THAT THE NEW FIXED GLASS WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION SIDE OF THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE HOME. INSTEAD OF INTRODUCING A NEW ALUMINUM WINDOW CONFIGURATION, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING WINDOW TYPES ON THE HOME AND THE INTRODUCTION OF A FOURTH TYPE IS INCOMPATIBLE. THE A ONE ON THE WEST ELEVATION SIDE LABELED RIGHT SIDE NUMBER TWO, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NEEDED ON THE QUANTITY TWO OF FAUX WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACING ELEVATION OF A SECOND STORY EDITION. SPECIFICALLY A VISIBLE BLIND WALL IS DISCOURAGED. NUMBER THREE, THE REMOVE WINDOWS SHOULD BE RE REUSED IN THE NEW ADDITION. NUMBER FOUR, ANY REMOVED STONE SHOULD BE REINCORPORATED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE NEW ADDITION. NUMBER FIVE, THE ADDITION SHOULD HAVE A TILE ROOF, NOT A COMPOSITION SHINGLED ROOF AS SHOWN IN THE WALL SECTION DRAWINGS. NUMBER SIX, THE FASCIA SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING HOME AND BE CONTINUOUS C DETAIL SIX AND SEVEN ON PAGE A FOUR. NUMBER SEVEN, THE DRAWING SHOULD REFLECT THE APPLICATION. NONE OF THE WALL SECTION DRAWINGS SHOW STONE VENEER OR MATCH THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND SEEK TO INTRODUCE A SOFFIT WHERE THERE ARE NONE ON THE HOME. CA FOUR. ALL OF THESE ITEMS CAN BE ADDRESSED AS THE APPLICANT WORKS TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE HOUSE BEING REHABILITATED AND OCCUPIED. WE NOTE THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS. WE THANK THE HOMEOWNER FOR INVESTING IN 24 7 SECURITY DURING THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST. SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER THREE. NUMBER THREE, ANY OTHER ITEMS NOT MAY HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT. AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, MR. CHAIR. MR. BEEN MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA? AYE. SENO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION [00:10:01] CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS ONE 15 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY 26 11 NORTH MAINE, 9 0 5 OSA 2 38 LAVERA, 1231 SOUTH ALAMO ONE 16 CALLAHAN AND FIVE 17 WIX. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. DID YOU SAY 20? UH, YES. APPROVED? YES. ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. UH, NUMBER THREE ON THE HDRC, UH, REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA TO CASE CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH OH 8 4 6 2. MARY LOUISE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO NUMBER ONE, CONSTRUCT A 600 SQUARE FOOT SECOND STORY EDITION AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ATOP AND EXISTING EDITION. NUMBER TWO, ENCLOSED AN EXISTING OPENING ON EASTERN FACADE OF EXISTING EDITION NUMBER THREE THREE CONSTRUCT A 33 SQUARE FOOT MECHANICAL ROOM AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE APPLICANT, RAMON TORRES. AND, UM, MR. FALLON, THE DESIGNER IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. HI, CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? SORRY. UH, RAM TORRES I WITH DESIGN PLUS. AND WE READ THE ISSUES THAT MR. MS, UH, MALDONADO HAS SENT US AND WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS SAID. SOME OF THE DETAILS, MY TYPICAL DETAILS DON'T SHOW TILE ROOF, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT I NEED TO CHANGE THAT JUST TO MAKE HER HAPPY. AND THEN THE TWO FALSE WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION, THERE'S A WALK-IN CLOSET ON THE OTHER SIDE. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE WINDOWS, SO I STUCK THOSE TWO WINDOWS THERE TO KIND OF MATCH THE OTHER SIDE. THEY'RE FALSE. THEY'RE GONNA BE REAL WINDOWS, SIR, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA SHEET ROCK 'EM ON THE INSIDE. SIR, SIR, LEMME STOP YOU FOR A MOMENT. WE, UM, YOUR CASE IS PULLED FOR QUESTIONS, SO WELL LET, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER, UM, ASK HIS QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN OKAY. I HAVE A TROUBLE HEARING. CAN YOU SEND THAT'S OKAY. COMMISSIONER FESTER'S GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS NOW AND THEN ONCE HE'S DONE IT OKAY. HAVE ANY FURTHER EXPLAIN AND DO THINGS YOU COULD DO SO AT THAT TIME. ALRIGHT? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YOU SUBMITTED TWO OF THESE PROSPECTIVE DRAWINGS, ONE WITH A, UH, GABLE ROOF THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC PORTION AND ANOTHER ONE WITH A HIP ROOF. RIGHT. AND, UH, WONDERING IF YOU'D BE, UH, WILLING TO ACCEPT THE HIP ROOF ON THAT HOUSE. I THINK IT, UH, DISTINGUISHES THAT AS A NON-ORIGINAL, UH, ADDITION. UH, DIFFERENTIATES IT FROM THE, THE MAIN HOUSE. RIGHT. YOU'RE YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? YES. YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE DID AN IDEA. I WENT WITH THE ORIGINAL WITH A GABLE AND THEY SAID, LET'S PUT A HIT TO MAKE TO KIND OF GIVE IT A DIFFERENT LOOK AND I KINDA LIKED THE HIT BETTER, SO I I AGREE WITH THAT. HIT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I REDID THE RENDERING. THANK YOU. AND, UM, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS BY MS, UH, ON HER COMMENTS. SOME OF MY DETAILS THAT ARE TYPICAL IN OUR, IN OUR OFFICE, THEY DIDN'T REFLECT THE TILE ROOF AND SHE HAD AN INTEREST AT MAKING SURE THAT WE MATCHED THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT WITH THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. SO THE TWO WERE TAKING OFF ON THE SIDE, WE'RE REUSING THOSE IN THE ADDITION. AND WHICHEVER ONES ARE GONNA BE NEW, WE'RE GONNA MATCH EXACTLY WHAT THEY GOT WITH, WITH, UH, NO DIVIDED LIGHTS AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THE, THE CLEAR, LIKE WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. SO WE'RE, WE'RE AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING. SHE, SHE STATED QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT'S? IF THERE IS NONE, I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. MR. FELAN. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. UH, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD A, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE DETAILING OF THE STONE, RIGHT? IF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA BRING UP OR WE, WE WANNA TRY AND KEEP THE SAME STONE THAT'S ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN, I THINK 1930 OR 1940. WE WANNA TRY AND KEEP THE SAME STONE. SO WE'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO FIND THE SAME STONE. SOMEBODY RECOMMENDED A CHANGE TO A NEW KIND OF STONE. WE DON'T, WE WANT TO TRY AND MATCH EVERYTHING THAT THE HOUSE IS THERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP WITH THAT SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN LOOK. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SINA. SO ALL THE STONES GONNA MATCH. YEAH. UM, UH, [00:15:01] MR. LAN, I HAVE A, A QUESTION, ALSO ANOTHER DETAILED QUESTION. MY COMPUTER IS NOT SHOWING YOUR A FOUR SHEET, SO I CAN'T SEE. YEAH. CAN YOU SPEAK LOUDER? I HAVE TROUBLE HEARING. OKAY. THE QUESTION I HAVE REFERS TO OR IS RELEVANT TO ONE OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS ABOUT MAKING A DISTINCTION IN THE DETAILING OF THE STONE BAND RIGHT ON THE FACIAL FROM THE ORIGINAL TO THE NEW. YEAH, WE'RE MATCHING EVERYTHING ON THE FASCIA BOARD. WE'RE MATCHING EVERYTHING AS FAR AS OUR BAND THAT GOES AROUND. SO WHEN IT'S ALL DONE, YOU'LL NEVER KNOW THERE WAS AN ADDITION DONE. SO OUR FASCIA HAS A, HAS KIND OF LIKE A TRIPLE FASCIA BOARD. WE'RE MATCHING THAT ALL THE WAY AROUND. OKAY. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. BUT STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER ONE C STIPULATES THAT THE APPLICANT DETAILED THE PROPOSED STONE BAND RIGHT AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SUCH A WAY THAT DIFFERENTIATES ITSELF WOW. FROM THE EXISTING STONE BAND OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO THEY WANTED A LITTLE BIT, WE TYPICALLY WANT SOME KIND OF SIGN THAT THIS IS AN ADDITION, THE HIP ROOF SATISFIES THAT. UM, BUT AN ADDITIONAL DETAIL AT A SMALLER SCALE IS A GOOD THING TO DO. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IN THAT STONE BANDING MIGHT BE? THAT NO, NO, WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT. YEAH. BUT DO NOTE THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR STIPULATIONS. YEAH. OKAY. TO MAKE IT DISTINGUISHING OR DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PRESENT PRESENT A DIFFERENT STONE OR NO, NO, IT COULD BE JUST THE, IT COULD BE THE SIZE, IT COULD BE A PROFILE ON IT. OKAY. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHAMFORD EDGE TO IT. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL WANT TO ADDRESS. IT IS IN THE STIPULATION WILL DO. DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A SURPRISE. ADDRESS IT IN THE DRAWING. I CAN'T, UH, ADDRESS IT IN THE ELEVATIONS. I CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE WALL DETAIL. IS THAT HOW YOU WANT IT WOULD BE A WALL SECTION? YEAH. YEAH. I CAN DO A WALL CROSS SECTION, BUT I TO MATCH EXACTLY TO THE HOUSE. BUT ALL YOU'RE DOING IS JUST ACCEPTING THE STIPULATION AND I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT. YEAH, I CAN HAVE THOSE CHANGED. YEAH. YEAH. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, SO I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, GONNA NOTE THAT IN THE MOTION. SO BASICALLY IT'LL BE A MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND ADDITIONALLY ADD A STIPULATION THAT THE UH, NEW FIXED GLASS WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE ELEVATION ON THE SECOND FLOOR WILL MATCH TO ONE-ON-ONE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE HOME WITH ALL NORMAL WINDOW STIPULATIONS. UH, THAT ALL REMOVED WINDOWS SHOULD BE REUSED IN THE NEW ADDITION. MM-HMM . ANY REMOVE STONE SHOULD BE REINCORPORATED IN THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, THE ADDITION OF TILE ROOF AS PER THE DRAWINGS OF THE HIP ROOF. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. STONE STONE PROFILE, IT'S ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, SO I'M KEEPING IT THAT WAY. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN I ADD ONE THAT, UM, I'LL, AND I GUESS IT IS ALREADY THERE, UH, SUBMIT EVERYTHING FOR STAFF REVIEW BEFORE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S ALWAYS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE THE COA. OKAY. WILL DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. ZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] YOU. ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 1 16 36 24 BROADWAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET SIGN ON AN EXISTING POLE AT 36 24 BROADWAY. THE PROPOSED CABINET WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AND AN OVERALL WIDTH OF SIX FEET, SIX INCHES FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 52 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING BOTH SIDES. THE SIGN WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 14 [00:20:01] FEET, AND NUMBER TWO TO REFACE AN EXISTING SIGNBOARD WITH A BUSINESS NAME AND LOGO TO DIRECT CUSTOMERS TO PARKING. THE EXISTING SIGNBOARD LOCATED AT THE REAR, THE EXISTING SIGNBOARD IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PARKING LOT, UH, ADJACENT TO ETHEL COURT. UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AND AN OVERALL, EXCUSE ME, OVERALL HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AND OVERALL WIDTH OF EIGHT FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 48 SQUARE FEET. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE INSTALLATION OF AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET. AS NOTED IN FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL A MONUMENT SIGN THAT THAT DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, UH, 50 QUE TO 50 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. AND FEATURES LIGHTING CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. THE REFACE OF AN EXISTING SIGN PANEL IS NOTED IN FINDING D PARKING SIGNAGE THAT DOES NOT FEATURE A BUSINESS LOGO OR BRANDING WOULD BE CONSIDERED INCIDENTAL AND IT WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS SIGNAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. KENNETH HUEY AND THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SIGN COMPANY, BOBBY BOAR, UH, SHOULD BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. UM, I HAVE BOBBY HERE AS A PANELIST. BOBBY, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. I DON'T KNOW HOW, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. I HAD A NEW LAYOUT I I HAD MADE AND I SEE THERE'S A SHARE BUTTON IN THE TOP. CAN I SHARE THAT? UM, NO SIR. YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SHARE VIRTUALLY. OKAY. SIR, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS BOBBY, I WORK WITH SIGNS. LLC. BOBBY, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? UH, BOZA. B-O-Z-A-R-T-H. THANK YOU SIR. GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR CASE. UH, WE GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE, UH, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE MONUMENT NOW IS WHAT IT'S CALLED RATHER THAN THE STANDING SIGN THERE. AND I MADE THOSE MODIFICATIONS AND ALSO FOR THE BACK SIGN, THE NON ILLUMINATED SIGN, WE HAD A REQUEST TO TAKE THE, UH, LOGO OFF AND I'VE ALSO DONE THAT. AND SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS WE WERE SEEKING APPROVAL? YES, SIR. UH, MR. BOAR, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE MONUMENT SIGN. UM, I THINK IT, UH, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE MAYBE ADDRESSED STAFF'S COMMENTS. UH, BUT CAN YOU, UM, IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, THE MONUMENT SIGN, THE TOTAL WIDTH, AND THEN IF YOU COULD JUST ADDRESS HOW IT WILL BE ILLUMINATED, UM, THEN THAT MAY ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO, UM, TO CRAFT A MOTION. UH, FIRST THE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S A, IT'S FOUR FOOT BY SIX FOOT LIGHTED CABINET NOW RATHER THAN THE LARGER ONE. UH, AND THEN IT'S A CABINET SIGN AND IT WILL BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WITH LEDS. AND SO THAT'S A FOUR BY SIX. AND THEN WE JUST PUT A SKIRT, AN ALUMINUM COVERING, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN. SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF BOTH THE SKIRT AND THE SIGN IS SIX FOOT TALL. THANK YOU. AND SIX FOOT WIDE. YES SIR. UM, AND THEN CAN YOU, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. UH, WILL THE ENTIRE CABINET FACE GLOW OR WILL ONLY LIKE A LOGO IN THE LETTERS GLOW? UH, WHAT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE WHOLE THING GOING BECAUSE WE'RE USING A TRANSLUCENT VINYL. DID YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? UM, SO THE, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN USE INTERNAL ILLUMINATION IF THE ENTIRE, IF IF THERE'S NOT A GLARE PRODUCED AT THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, GIVEN WHERE THIS SIGN IS LOCATED, UM, THE AMOUNT OF MEASUREMENT AND, UM, I APOLOGIZE, I CAN READ THAT. SO IT IS, UM, SO INTERNAL ILLUMINATION BE CON SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE UD C'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE SIGN SHOULD NOT PRODUCE A GLARE, AN ILLUMINATION LEVEL OF SIX LUX OR GREATER AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. UH, SO, UH, IF, IF YOU CAN MATCH THAT, THEN THE SIGN AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING WITH A CABINET FACE WHERE THE ENTIRE FACE GLOWS WOULD BE OKAY PER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR RIO. UM, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THAT, THEN HAVING IT WHERE ONLY THE LETTERS AND THE LOGO GLOW WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION. THAT IS SIMPLE. ABSOLUTELY. THE CHAIR BASED ON THAT, I'LL DO A MOTION. ALRIGHT, I'LL LISTEN FOR YOUR MOTION MO. WELL, PER THE CONVERSATION AND THE APPLICANT AGREEING, UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE OF A MONUMENT SIGN THAT DOES NOT EX EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, [00:25:01] 50 TOTAL 50 TOTAL SQUARE FEET AND FEATURES INTERNALLY ILLUMINATION AND FOLLOWING THE UDC RECOMMENDATION ON NO GLARE AND NO GREATER THAN ANIMATION LEVEL OF SIX LOOKS. AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, PROVIDED THAT THERE IS NO BUSINESS LOGO OR BUSINESS BRANDING. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. BOART. IF YOU COULD EMAIL ME THE UPDATES OR HAVE MS. DIAZ EMAIL ME THE UPDATES, THEN WE WILL WORK ON YOUR APPROVAL LETTER. THAT'S A BIG 10 FOR GOOD BUDDY, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE. THANKS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 1 22 19 14 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 15 WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW FIBERGLASS CLA WOOD WINDOWS FEATURING FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS TO RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND D THROUGH G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN KIND. ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BASED ON THE FINDINGS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, RO AND ZACHARY FISHER ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THIS REQUEST. BEFORE WE BEGIN, THE APPLICANT HAS MODIFIED THEIR WINDOW REQUEST TO INCLUDE A HIGHER QUALITY WINDOW THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR REPLACEMENT. AS NOTED IN FINDING F IF A WINDOW ASSEMBLY IS DEEMED IRREPARABLE, THE WINDOW SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND IN TERMS OF MATERIALITY, CONFIGURATION, INSET PROPORTION, STYLE, AND DETAILING. THE APPLICANT'S RECEIVED A WINDOW REPAIR QUOTE FOR THE PROPERTY, NOTING SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO WINDOWS ON SITE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED WINDOW IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS. TODAY, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING WHOLESALE WOULD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE NEW PROPOSED WINDOW SYSTEM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION REMAINS UNCHANGED. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS INCLUDED IN THEIR PRESENTATION, A NEW SIDING REPLACEMENT REQUEST. OHP STAFF HAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED THE REMOVAL OF NON-CONFORMING SIDING ON SITE, INCLUDING VINYL AND ASBESTOS TILE. AS NOTED, FINDING B INSTALLATION OF LAP SIDING MAY BE APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, EXPLORATORY REMOVAL OF NON-CONFORMING SIDING WILL PROVIDE STAFF ENOUGH INFORMATION TO EITHER PROCESS THE REQUEST ADMINISTRATIVELY OR BRING THEIR SIDING REQUEST TO A FUTURE HVRC HEARING. FINALLY, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR DOORS ON SITE, AS INCLUDED IN THEIR NEW PRESENTATION THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR WITH AN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT ARE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS NOTED THAT THE NEW DOORS WILL BE CUSTOM MADE. UM, I AND ZACH, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE HDRC AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE, I'LL PULL UP THE, UH, PRESENTATION AND BE BEFORE YOU BEGIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, KIND OF THE UPDATE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A REPLACEMENT WINDOW HAS BEEN SUPPLIED, UH, AND THE REQUEST THAT MEETS NORMAL STIPULATIONS WHEN REPLACEMENT IS WARRANTED. AND SO NOW WE'RE GETTING THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT SOME, THAT REPLACEMENT MAY BE WARRANTED FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY THAT FOR ALL. AND SO IF THAT STIPULATION IS UPHELD, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE WINDOWS FOR REPLACEMENT. UM, OR THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL KIND OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT COULD BE SUPPLIED HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. HI, MY NAME IS ARROW AND I'M ZACH. AND, UH, WE'RE BOTH THE FISHERS. UM, I GUESS THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING THAT PULLED UP. UH, SO, UH, AS BRIAN MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, LOOKING TO COME HERE BEFORE THE BOARD AND REQUEST APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND REPLACE OUR WINDOWS. UM, SO WE DID, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS BACK, UH, ASK A WOOD REPAIR, UH, CONTRACTOR TO COME OUT, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR WINDOWS. UM, THEY AGREED WITH, UH, WITH US INITIALLY THEY FOUND MULTIPLE INSTANCES OF WOOD WROUGHT, UM, SOME, UH, PREVIOUS FLASHING THAT HAD BEEN INSTALLED OVER THE ORIGINAL CONDITION, UH, BOTH CONCEALING IT AND CREATING, UH, A WATER POOLING ISSUE INSIDE OF THE, THE SILL PLATE. UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLE PHOTOS, UH, UP THERE. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, OF COURSE WE'RE, SINCE WE'RE LIMITED HERE BY THE NUMBER OF SLIDES AND OF COURSE, THE TIME ALLOTTED TO US, [00:30:01] UM, WE DID ELECT TO SUBMIT A AMENING THE CONDITION OF EACH WINDOW. UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO SUPPLIED A, A MATRIX JUST, UH, AGAIN, HOMEOWNER, UH, OBSERVATIONS, JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT REQUIRE, UH, ADDRESSING. SO WE FOUND THAT TO BE PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. UM, UH, OVERALL, OUT OF THE 15 WINDOWS THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO REPLACE, UM, 13 OF THEM WE BELIEVE, UH, HAVE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO THEM THAT IS EITHER VISIBLE OR MAYBE CONCEALED THAT. SO, UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT AS AS FURTHER BACKUP AS WELL. UM, JUST I, COULD YOU GO DOWN TO THE QUOTE. UM, SO, UH, WE ALSO GOT A CONTRACTOR TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND COULD YOU GO ONE SLIDE UP? ONE, UM, GOT A, UH, THE WOOD WINDOW WOMAN, UH, CONTRACTOR TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THEY, IN GENERAL AGREED WITH OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE WINDOWS. UH, THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'RE IN VERY POOR CONDITION, UM, AND THEY DID GIVE US A QUOTE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, REPLACE THAT. UH, LOOKING AT THAT QUOTE, COMPARING IT TO WHAT WE GOT FOR NEW WINDOWS, UM, WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE TOO MUCH MONEY, UH, OR IT'S NOT AN ECONOMICAL DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND REPLACE AT THIS TIME. UM, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HOW REPLACEMENT WE WOULD STILL LIKELY, UH, HAVE TO PURSUE, UM, WIND, UH, STORM WINDOW DOORS OR ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AS WELL, UH, WHICH WOULD FURTHER DRIVE UP THE PRICE, UM, IN COMPARISON TO A MORE MODERN WINDOW SYSTEM, UM, FOR RESTORATION. UM, SO GOING DOWN, WE DID SHOW, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, THAT WAS JUST A QUOTE THAT WE'D RECEIVED BACK IN 2021 FOR THAT. SO, UH, THIS IS A QUOTE THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, COMING OUT JUST NORTH OF ABOUT $41,000 TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, RESTORE THESE WINDOWS AND BRING THEM UP TO, UH, A MODERN, UH, STANDARD ONE THAT WE COULD ALSO LOVE AND ENJOY AS WELL. UM, SO YEAH, SO WE'RE HOPING AT THIS TIME, UM, WITH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED AS PART OF OUR PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, AND FURTHER BACKED UP BY, UM, BY THIS CONTRACTOR'S QUOTE. WE'RE HOPING THAT THE BOARD CAN, UM, CHANGE GEARS A LITTLE BIT FROM, UM, UM, FROM BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION. AND, UH, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE WHOLESALE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. UM, YOU HAVE A VOICEMAIL? YES. UH, ONE MOMENT. YES. THIS IS FOR HDRC AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE 20 25 1 2 2 19 14 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION FOR JUSTIFICATION OF HOST WHOLESALE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. IF A WINDOW IS DETERMINED TO BE BEYOND REPAIR, THEN THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW SHOULD MEET THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WE ALSO NOTE THAT WINDOWS HAVE WOODEN SCREENS, WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE REPAIRED. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS, AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST. AND WE ALSO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THEN THERE'S ALSO A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. UM, I OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS NOW. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES. UH, SORRY, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THE STAFF, I WAS REVIEWING THIS EARLIER. THERE'S A BUNCH OF SLIDES WITH BLACK, THERE'S NO PICTURES. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE YES. UM, SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN EXTENSIVE A APPLICATION. A PART OF THAT WAS FOR THE TAX CERTIFICATION, WHICH REQUIRES INTERIOR PHOTOS. SO, UM, IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF KEEPING, UH, PRIVACY, UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN BLOCKED OUT, BUT THEY WERE GENERAL PHOTOS SHOWING, UH, INTERIOR CONDITIONS AS A PART OF THAT TAX CERTIFICATION. OKAY. SO THE INTERIOR PHOTOS, I MEAN ALL THE PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS, YOU WENT AND DID A SITE VISIT. CORRECT. AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE. AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ALSO TO THE APPLICANT. WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE SCREENS? ARE THEY STILL THERE? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN WITH THE SCREENS? THE SCREENS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. THEY WERE THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT THEM. UM, HOWEVER, THEY ARE CONSISTENT. JUST I THINK YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD. SORRY. UM, THE SCREENS, UM, WERE THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THE CON CONDITION THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN, UM, WE ARE OF THE OPINION [00:35:01] THAT THEY'RE NOT HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE. THEY WERE PUT ON SOMETIME AFTER. YOU CAN TELL WHEN YOU LOOK UP CLOSE AT THE WINDOWS, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FLATHEAD SCREWDRIVER THAT WENT INTO THE WINDOW FRAME, UM, IF NEEDED. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, UM, GETTING THOSE PUT INTO THE HOUSE. ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE, JUST, JUST TO ANSWER THAT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL ON. UH, WE HAVE NOT, UH, REMOVED ANYTHING OR MODIFIED IT IN ANY WAY FROM WHAT WE, UH, ORIGINALLY TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE HOUSE. THEY ARE STILL THERE. YES. OKAY. YEAH, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. SO, UM, YOU SAID YOU DID AN EXTENSIVE EXTRA PRESENTATION SHOWING WINDOW BY WINDOW. YES. YOUR QUOTE SAID 16, BUT YOUR, UH, APPLICATION SAYS 15. HOW MANY, IS IT THE QUOTE THAT YOU PRESENTED RIGHT NOW IN YOUR POWERPOINT? IT'S 16 WINDOWS, BUT YOUR APPLICATION IS ASKING FOR 15. THAT WOULD BE A . THAT MIGHT BE OUR MISTAKE. THAT, YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MAP OF THE HOUSE, LIKE A, LIKE ONE SLIDE THAT SHOWS ALL THE WINDOWS PLACEMENT? LIKE WHICH, HOW MANY ARE ON THE FRONT OR WE JUST DOING BY PICTURES? UM, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE SHOULD BE IN THE APPLICATION PACKET. LET ME TRY TO FIND IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN ALSO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, PHOTOS AS WELL. UM, UP TO YOU. I KNOW A LOT OF THE PHOTOS WERE ALSO OTHER STUFF, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS, I MEAN, IT WAS 133 PAGES TO GO THROUGH ON MY COMPUTER THIS MORNING. OKAY. I, ONE LAST QUESTION, AND IF NOT, I'LL DO A MOTION. UM, EVERYTHING IS INTACT. UH, WOULD YOU MIND, OR WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A VISIT TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE WINDOWS? ABSOLUTELY, FROM THE COMMISSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANTES? YES. JUST VERY QUICKLY, STAFF OR COREY FROM WHAT GETS VOTED ON HERE TODAY, HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY HAVE? YOU HAVE, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT HOW MUCH DO THEY HAVE? HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY HAVE FROM A DECISION BEING MADE TODAY OR WHENEVER A DECISION IS MADE? UM, SO IF IT'S A COA, UM, CORRECT. IT'S GOOD FOR SIX MONTHS. OKAY. SO IT'S, THEY CAN RENEW IT AGAIN. THEY CAN RENEW IT, CORRECT. OF COURSE. SO IF THEY PHASE IT OUT OF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S PRICEY, THEY CAN PHASE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, YEAH. A COUPLE WINDOWS EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. WELL, AND I MEAN, SEPARATELY, ANY WINDOW THAT IS DETERMINED TO BE BEYOND REPAIR IS ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT IN KIND. AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUTSIDE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, WE COULD STILL BE WORKING WITH THEM AT ANY TIME FOR INDIVIDUAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT. OKAY. SO THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IF THEY, IF THEY GOT SOMETHING APPROVED TODAY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND RESUBMIT FOR THE SAME PLAN. IT'S JUST RIGHT. THEY CAN JUST PHASE IT OUT OR SOMETHING. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, SO THE QUOTE THAT YOU PRESENTED, IT WAS FROM 2021? YES, SIR. SO LET ME STEP UP TONIGHT, PLEASE. UH, YES, SIR. WHEN WE FIRST MOVED INTO THE HOUSE, IT WAS VERY APPARENT THAT, UM, IT'S HOT AND SHE'S A DRAFTY GIRL. UM, YOU FEEL EVERY WIND BLOW, EVERY TIME THERE'S A WIND STORM, WE CAN FEEL IT INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS LOOK INTO GETTING, UM, SHUTTERS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, WE WERE TOLD BY THEM THAT WE COULD, WE COULD INSTALL THEM, HOWEVER, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACING THEM EVERY TWO TO FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOW. UM, IT, THEY, THAT CONTRACTOR WAS NOT CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD BE A LASTING SOLUTION TO OUR PROBLEM. SO IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING, UH, WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS QUOTE BASED ON THE CONTRACTOR'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'D HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REPLACE AND, AND CYCLE THROUGH THIS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, SO 20, 21, 4 YEARS AGO, UM, AND SO YOU ARE STILL RELYING ON THAT AS BEING YOUR PRICE BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO, SO DEFINITELY NOT. UM, WE JUST, WITH ALL THE, UH, THE INS AND OUTS OF SUBMITTING THE PERMIT, UM, WE JUST REACHED FOR SOMETHING WE HAD AVAILABLE THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT IN THE PAST, UM, WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPRICE IT. UH, I WAS USING OR WE'RE USING THIS QUOTE TO, UH, EXTEND OR, OR, UH, INCREASE THE PRICE OVERALL OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE'RE ALSO AIRING MORE ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION. IF, IF WE CAME TO YOU AND SAID IT'S HERE'S A QUOTE FROM A CONTRACTOR AND HERE'S ANOTHER $10,000 ON TOP OF IT, MIGHT BE A BIT OF A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. SO FULLY, FULLY AWARE, BUT IT'S LIKELY ONLY GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN, UH, WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED HERE. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER GRU, READY FOR YOUR MOTION? I'M GONNA DO A MOTION, SORRY. I'M JUST GONNA SEE WHAT THE, [00:40:08] UM, MOVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SAY A SECOND. SECOND. SO WE MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO BASICALLY IT IS, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT THINK THAT WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED A FULL CASE FOR A FULL WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. OKAY. AND THE WHOLESALE JUST MEANS THAT YOU CAN REPLACE ALL 16, 15, 16 WINDOWS AT THE SAME TIME. SO YOU STILL ARE ABLE TO REPLACE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN VERY, VERY BAD REPAIR ONE BY ONE OR GOING WITH STAFF. I, UM, IT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR YOU TO REQUEST A SITE VISIT. I'M NOT PUTTING IT IN THE MOTION, BUT YOU CAN, I WANT YOU TO GO TO SLIDE FOUR OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UM, IF YOU CAN, THE WINDOW RESTORATION QUOTE, UH, RIGHT THERE, THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT SENT IT TO YOU. AND IT'S ACTUALLY FUNNY BECAUSE THEY DO SAY IN THIS QUOTE THAT WOOD WINDOWS DO NOT GIVE UP EASILY, AND THEY'RE STILL OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN NEW GROWTH WINDOW AND MODERN MATERIALS, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL BE, YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT MORE AND MORE. SO I KNOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A, I DON'T KNOW, THE QUOTE THAT YOU SHOWED FOR 275 WHEN THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE APPROVED, RIGHT? THE ONES THAT YOU'RE, THE MARVIN ONES, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT REALLY DO CONSIDER REPAIR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DRAFTING, IT'S NOT ABOUT IT. WE'VE SEEN IT MANY TIMES IN THIS COMMISSION IS IF THEY'RE REPAIRABLE, IT IS WORTH IT. THE WOOD IS SO MUCH MORE SOLID, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA REPLACE IT EVER AGAIN. SO, UM, AND THEN I WANNA, OH, I SHOULD HAVE ADDED SOMETHING ABOUT THE SHUTTERS. SHOULD I ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION, THE SCREENS, WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG POLICY ON THIS. LIKE TECHNICALLY THEY ARE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. UM, HOWEVER, THEY'RE ALSO LIKE A FUNCTIONAL FEATURE OF THE HOMES. AND I AM VERY LEERY OF REQUIRING SOMEBODY HAS THEM ON ALL THE TIME. NOTHING IS STOPPING SOMEBODY FROM REMOVING THE SCREENS WHEN THE WEATHER IS NICE OR WHERE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. OKAY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, I'M KEEP IT AS A COMMENT. WELL JUST FOR FOR BACKGROUND IS SOMETIMES WE'VE REQUIRED THAT THEY BE STORED SOMEWHERE SO THEY COULD BE REINSTALLED, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE. YEAH, AND I'M GONNA KEEP IT AS A COMMENT. UM, I THINK YOU ARE WHEREVER YOU CAN KEEP THE SCREENS. IT DOES ALSO PROTECT THE WOOD WINDOWS A LOT FROM THE SUN, FROM THE RAIN, FROM EVERYTHING, FROM THE WIND, FROM THE DIRT. SO, UM, WHEN YOU CAN AND IF YOU CAN, AND IF NOT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM AS LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU CAN STORE THEM ON PROPERTY, UM, YOU'LL ALSO BENEFIT FROM THAT, FROM THE SUN HITTING IT, UH, AND, AND THE ENERGY AND EFFICIENCY AND ALL THAT. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, IF THIS PASSES THEN YOU'D WORK WITH STAFF, THEY'D COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY AND DETERMINE WHICH ONES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, INCLINE REPLACEMENT? YES, SIR. YEAH. YEAH. I, I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS. I THINK IF YOU CAN FIND SOME GOOD WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WITH MODERN GLASS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS AND FIT THIS CRITERIA, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. I KNOW REPAIR IS ACTUALLY DESIRABLE, BUT, UH, I, I THINK WITH MODERN REPLACEMENTS INCLUDING WOOD OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE THERE WOULD, WOULD BE EASY. SO I WON'T, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS. MR. CHAIR, JUST, UH, SIR, GO AHEAD. JUST LAST COMMENT, I, I'M NOT SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION, BUT BECAUSE YOU, ONE OF THE RARE, UH, APPLICANTS THAT HAS LOOKED INTO THE MARVIN WINDOW, IT'S A SUPERIOR WINDOW AND, UH, IT IT'D BE A SHAME THAT YOU REPLACED MORE THAN HALF OF THESE WINDOWS AND YOU HAVE HALF OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE STILL LETTING AIR IN AND, AND, UM, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE, UM, VALUABLE TO THE HOUSE TO, TO, FOR IT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S THERE THAT IS ROTTED, PARTICULARLY WHERE THERE'S DISA ASSEMBLAGE OF WALL TO FIX SILLS. UM, AND PROBABLY THAT IT HAS AN HVAC SYSTEM. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS A D IT'S A DIFFERENT MACHINE THAN IT WAS WHEN IT WAS BUILT. SO I'M, I'M NOT SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UH, BUT PRIMARILY BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN LED WITH A GOOD EYE FOR A, FOR A VERY SUPERIOR PRODUCT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. NO MORE DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY. GALLOWAY AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLEN. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. [00:45:01] MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO BRIAN, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON, UM, KIND OF NEXT STEPS AND, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL SORT OF DOCUMENTATION WE WOULD NEED. AND THANK YOU. THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM. THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, SO WANT TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE BRIEFING ON ITC. IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING, UM, SAY IN A SESSION BEFORE WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING OR WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS THAT, UM, THOSE WHO NEED TO BE BRIEF OR WANNA BE BRIEFED ON THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A WORK SESSION? YEAH. SO, UM, WHEN IS THE NEXT AVAILABLE TIME WE CAN DO IT? WOULD IT BE THE NEXT MEETING? IS THAT POSSIBLE OR DO WE WANNA POLL THE MEMBERS TO SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE FOR THAT TIME? OR WOULD YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE IT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS, BUT YEAH, POTENTIALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR. SORRY. LET'S, UM, COMMISSION SPOTS TO GO FIRST NOW I'LL LET YOU GO. YEAH. AGAIN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE INTENT BEHIND ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? IT'S TOO, IT'S INFORMATIVE TO, TO ME AND PROBABLY SAW THIS OTHERS OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S ALSO INFORMING THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GENERALLY NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE LANES OF AUTHORITY WITH REGARDS TO HISTORICAL BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, AS IT FITS TO THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THE GOVERNMENT. UM, AND I THINK I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO START THINKING, WELL, WHY DO THEY PICK SOME, SOME THINGS THAT ARE LESS SIGNIFICANT AND SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE ITC DIDN'T GO THROUGH ANY PROCEDURE OR ANY PROCESS AT THE CITY LEVEL, OR THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INPUT, RIGHT? IF IT WAS DECIDED AT THE STATE LEVEL, WELL, WHO REPRESENTED THE CITY AT THE STATE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF TO MITIGATE ANY TYPE OF NEGATIVE SENTIMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, MR. CHAIR IT'S PROCESSES. UM, WELL, OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COMMISSIONER QUE WELL THEN, AND MR. CHAIR ALSO, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SESSION, UH, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY I SUPPORTED THAT MOTION THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER JIMMY HAD MADE THE OTHER DAY WAS SPECIFICALLY SO THAT IT WOULD ANSWER TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT SOMEHOW THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOME, UH, BEARING ON THIS DECISION THAT'S BEEN MADE IF WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL SESSION OR, OR A CLOSED SESSION. I, I DON'T WANT TO BE HELD TO ANY CONFIDENTIALITY IN THAT SESSION. SO WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK PART OF IT IS SO THAT WHEN WE'RE ASKED QUESTIONS, WE HAVE FULL APPRECIATION OF THE ABILITY TO SAY, WELL, THE WAY THAT THAT WORKED WAS THIS, IF WE HAVE TO, UH, EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE EXPLAINED IN, IN THE PUBLIC VENUE. AND, AND IT'S ALSO TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THE ARCHDIOCESE THAT WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER AND THAT WE GO TO A DRC ON A PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER. BUT, BUT YET ON THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A DRC. SO TO, SO THAT WE'RE NOT HELD, UH, UH, TO ANY SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY, UH, THAT WE'RE ALSO NOT HELD TO SOME SENSE OF, UH, CONFIDENTIALITY IN THIS EDUCATIONAL SESSION. THANK YOU. AND WELL, WE CAN MAKE IT AN OPEN WORK SESSION SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THIS. I WILL NOT ATTEND IT. WE ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER. WE ARE A RECOMMENDED BODY. WE HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC OR ANSWERING QUESTIONS TO THE PUBLIC IN ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS TO GO TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT. AND, UM, THIS CITY SHOULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO BRIEF US WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY SAY, OR ANY REPRESENTATION IN IT. YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR COUNCILMAN OR COUNCILWOMAN FIRST. AND I THINK THOSE, THE ONES RESPONSIBLE TO BRIEF THE COMMUNITY, IT SHOULD NOT BE HELD. UH, WE SHOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IN THIS BODY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.