* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [9:00 AM – Call to Order] [00:00:04] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, MAY 23RD, 2025. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS PRESENT. FLORES PRESENT. GARCIA ARD. PRESENT. HERNANDEZ ZER. PRESENT. FULLERTON POLLARD. HERE. VA UH, SEPULVEDA AND VASQUEZ. PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. TRANSLATION SERVICES. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JASON VASQUEZ, THE VICE CHAIR. JUAN IS THE CHAIRWOMAN. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY OF, UH, ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR OR ON A PROJECT AND AN AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME. THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. AND COREY, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? UM, JUST A FEW. UM, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UM, FROM STAFF, UH, WE DO HAVE A NEW HIRE. ADRIAN, UM, GALLEGOS IS HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME AT C TTAB. UM, HE'S A NEW PRESERVATION PROGRAM MANAGER WITH OHP. AND SO YOU'LL BE SEEING HIM AT THESE HEARINGS, MAYBE LEADING THEM SOMETIME. SO, UM, WELCOME ADRIAN. UM, AT THIS POINT, I JUST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 18TH. IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 18TH AGENDA? I MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE 18TH OF APRIL SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE, FLORES? AYE REGARD? AYE, SIR. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. P*****K. AYE. AND VASQUEZ. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND IF THERE'S ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE ANNOUNCEMENT. WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. [00:05:01] DR. LEWIS HERNANDEZ IS HERE. UM, SO WELCOME DR. HERNANDEZ. I KNOW HE'S READY TO GET STARTED, UM, AND, UM, IT'S FINDING HIS SPOT NOW. AND THEN I'LL JUST ASK SOME STAFF TO KEEP AN EYE IF HE NEEDS ASSISTANCE TO GO OVER AND SHOW HIM WHERE THE FOLDERS ARE. UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS ON CONSENT. WE HAVE JUST TWO. UM, WE WILL START WITH IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM ONE FOLLOWED BY VOICEMAILS. SO THE FIRST IS RYAN REED. THANKS, ED. GOOD MORNING. UH, MY NAME IS RYAN REED AND I RESIDE AT 2 4 2 WEST LINWOOD AVENUE IN MONTE VISTA. AND I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. RECENTLY WE'VE NOTICED AN INCREASING NUMBER OF LANDSCAPE PROJECTS BEGINNING IN MONTE VISTA WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR A COA. AND MANY OF THESE PROJECTS DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. SPECIFICALLY SECTION FIVE SITE ELEMENTS, WHICH ADDRESSES THE TREATMENT OF FRONT LAWNS, BERMS, YARDS, UH, WHICH ARE DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHILE THE BERM AT TWO 19 WEST LYNNWOOD IS LESS PROMINENT THAN OTHERS THAN THE DISTRICT, WE FEEL IT STILL FALLS UNDER THE SAME GUIDELINES RESTRICTING LANDSCAPE WALLS ALONG THE SIDEWALK. IN THIS CASE, THE WALL TWO 19 WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A COA AND IS THEREFORE IN VIOLATION AND IN PAST INSTANCES INVOLVING SIMILAR WALLS THAT OHP HAS OFFERED REASONABLE COMPROMISES, TYPICALLY, UM, A LOW CURB TO MITIGATE RUNOFF. WE BELIEVE A SIMILAR APPROACH IS APPROPRIATE HERE, AND WHILE WE DON'T FEEL THE MATERIAL CHOICE OF ROUGH FINISHED LIMESTONE IS CONDUCIVE WITH ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME, A SINGLE ROW OF LIMESTONE FORMING A CURB WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE. WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE OF LARGE FORMAT RIVER ROCK TO COVER THE FRONT YARD. AND THIS INTRODUCES YET ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT DOES NOT RELATE TO THE HOME, THE EXISTING WALL OR SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE. WE BELIEVE A SOLUTION SUCH AS THE JASMINE PLANTED ALONG THE PERIMETER WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE AND COHESIVE GROUND COVER THAT REFLECTS THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BLOCK. IF THE HOMEOWNER IS FIRMLY OPPOSED TO PLANTING THE YARD, WE WOULD SUGGEST CRUSH GRANITE OR SMALL PEBBLE COMBINED WITH PLANTINGS CONDITIONS THAT DO EXIST IN THE DISTRICT. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE AT A TURNING POINT WITH LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT. WATER CONSERVATION IS AN IMPORTANT AND GROWING CONCERN, AND WE'RE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. HOWEVER, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASING NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS REMOVE LAWN AND BERMS WHILE INSTALLING HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS WITHOUT PROPER AUTHORIZATION. IF THIS WALL IS ALLOWED TO REMAIN AS BUILT AND THE RIVER ROCK IS APPROVED TO COVER THE YARD, IT WILL SEND A BROADER MESSAGE THAT THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES ARE OPTIONAL AND THAT THE CITY THROUGH THE O-H-P-H-G-R-C CT A WILL NOT ENFORCE THE REQUIRED APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR WORK WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ITEM. MY NAME IS ANNE VAN PE. I LIVE AT 1 1 9 WEST ATCH IN MONTE VISTA. I DO NOT HAVE THE ITEM NUMBER, BUT I HAVE THE ADDRESS OF 2 1 9 WEST ELSMERE. UH, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THESE PEOPLE STARTED THIS PROJECT WITHOUT ANY PERMISSION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD RETROACTIVELY JUST APPROVE A PROJECT, WHICH REALLY DOES NOT FIT IN THE GUIDELINES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AT ALL. UH, AND I THINK TO APPROVE IT AFTER THE FACT WOULD SEND REALLY THE WRONG MESSAGE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THIS WONDERFUL MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, WHICH IS, WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB AND WE CAN ALWAYS NEED YOUR HELP, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN THE PAST. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2 1 9 WEST ELSMERE. THEY HAVE ALREADY BEGUN WORK TO ADD, UH, A WALL, ET CETERA, WHICH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE LANDSCAPE OF THAT BLOCK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HI, THIS IS RICK WILSON. I LIVE AT ONE 10 WEST ELSMERE PLACE, CALLING ABOUT THE CA, UM, ITEM ADDRESS TWO 19 WEST ELSMERE. AND MY INPUT TO THE COMMISSION IS ABOUT PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO THE, UM, UH, UH, MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE CASE AND THE PROCESS QUESTION IS, IF THE HDRC AND ITS CA COMMISSION AND THE OHP STAFF ARE GOING TO GIVE, UM, APPROVAL TO PROJECTS THAT CLEARLY VIOLATE THE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES DEVELOPED BY THE CITY, DOES THIS MEAN THAT THESE GUIDELINES ARE NOW PURELY ARBITRARY AND NO LONGER NEED TO FILE ANYTHING WITH THE CITY OR WITH HDRC? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA ARBITRARILY APPROVE PROJECTS THAT CLEARLY VIOLATE THE GUIDELINES, [00:10:01] WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PROJECT THAT COMES ALONG? WHY, WHY WOULD WE CHOOSE ONE APPROVAL OVER THE OTHER? AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ON THIS CASE AND THE GARAGE ON GRAMERCY FROM LAST GO AROUND, THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A, BASICALLY A WHOLESALE ELIMINATION OF THE GUIDELINES AND THEIR USE IN MAKING DECISIONS. THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. NO, IT DOESN'T. UM, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR ITEM TWO AS WELL. UH, CHRISTIAN CHOPPA. HELLO, I AM CHRISTINE CHOPPA. I LIVE AT 5 1 5 ADAMS NEAR 10 37 SOUTH ALAMO STREET HERE, AND I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE INSTALLATION OF TURF THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN INSTALLED OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, JUST ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND AESTHETIC AND, AND PROPERTY VALUES, PROPERTY VALUE REASONS, I FEEL. SO IN, IN SHORT, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WILL BE LISTED FIRST. ARTIFICIAL TURF GETS DANGEROUSLY HOT. IT CONTRIBUTES TO SORT OF A HEAT ISLAND EFFECT THAT INCREASES THE TEMPERATURE, UH, OF THE YARD AND SURROUNDING AREAS. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANY WILDLIFE BEES, ET CETERA. UM, IT ALSO SHEDS MICROPLASTICS THAT GOES INTO THE WATER. THE RIVER IS VERY NEARBY. UH, THIS IS TERRIBLE FOR SOIL SURROUNDING ECOSYSTEMS. ANYTHING THAT'S GROWING AND, AND PEOPLE HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS. SYNTHETIC GRASS CONTAINS TOXIC CHEMICALS THAT CAN CAUSE BURNS AND INJURIES, UM, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S KIDS OR PETS PLAYING ON IT. IT ALSO TRAPS BACTERIA AND ODORS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANYTHING TO SEEP INTO THE GROUND AND BREAK DOWN. SO JUST WASTE IS KIND OF TRAPPED ON TOP OF A PLASTIC LAYER ON THE GROUND. UM, APPEARANCE AND PROPERTY VALUES, TURF, IT FADES, IT KIND OF FLATTENS. OR IF IT STARTS MELTING AND, AND WARPING OVER TIME, JUST LOOKS NOT AS NICE AS SOME PEOPLE THINK WHEN IT IS FIRST INSTALLED. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, IT KIND OF DAMAGES TUR CURB, CURB APPEAL AS IT JUST STARTS DETERIORATING OVER TIME. UH, AND THAT'S RIGHT ON SOUTH ALAMO STREET. SO LOTS OF BUSINESSES, LOTS OF PEOPLE WALKING BY ALL THE TIME, NOT, NOT, NOT A GOOD LOOK. UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY NOT MAINTENANCE FREE. SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THIS INSTALLED BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST SIT IT, LET IT GO, FORGET ABOUT IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED. IT'S NOT A PERMANENT WEED CONTROL TOOL. THERE IS A LOT OF REPLACEMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS. UM, I'LL BUTTON UP THE LAST ONE REAL QUICK. THERE'S JUST BETTER THINGS TO DO. INSTEAD OF PUTTING PLASTIC ON THE GROUND, PUT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HELPS, UM, THE BEES, BUTTERFLIES, WILDLIFE, AND SOMETHING THAT JUST ALLOWS WATER TO, TO SEEP INTO THE GROUND AND NOT RUN OFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS. GREAT, THANK YOU. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] UM, IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER'S WISHING TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? YEAH. UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL BOTH NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. WELL, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T NEED A CALL FOR ACTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HEAR EVERYTHING. UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, I'LL BRING THE CASE MANAGER FOR, ACTUALLY EDWARD'S THE CASE MANAGER FOR ITEM ONE. AND SO HE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THEN I BELIEVE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REQUEST HERE AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, WE'LL READ THIS, THIS INTO THE RECORD. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 1 0 6 2 19 WEST ELSMERE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A LIMESTONE RETAINING WALL, TWO INSTALL LANDSCAPING BED WITH STILL EDGING AND THREE, INSTALL ROCKY MOUNTAIN FLAT STONES IN THE FRONT YARD. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E IS SUBMITTED. UM, IF THE, UH, LANDSCAPER, MICHELLE FORRY, UH, IS HERE, IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, SHARE WITH COMMISSIONERS THE PROJECT, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO DO SO. UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE THE WHOLE 12 MINUTES, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU. AND [00:15:01] I HAVE THOSE, UH, PHOTOS UPLOADED TO. OKAY. FIRST I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. UH, I'M MICHELLE FORRY. I AM THE, UH, COMPANY THAT WILL BE INSTALLING THE LANDSCAPE AT TWO 19 WEST ELSMERE. ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T ACTUALLY MY PLAN, I HAD SOME OTHER THINGS IN MIND, UH, BEFOREHAND, PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE HOMEOWNERS DECIDED UPON AND WANTED TO FACILITATE. UM, BASICALLY I'VE INSTALLED GRASS AT THAT LANDSCAPE THREE TIMES. THREE TIMES IT FAILED. WE'VE GOT A LARGE EXISTING BED IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT ON. WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN. THE EXISTING BED THING, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 12 FEET IN DEPTH. UM, THERE'S ALSO TWO LARGE SHADE TREES. THERE'S ALSO A BED THAT RUNS DOWN THE SIDE AT THE DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THE ASIAN JASMINE IS THE NEW PART THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, I KNOW THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE FRONT YARD HAD TO HAVE ABOUT 50% OR RECOMMENDED 50%, UH, VEGETATION, UH, IT DEFINITELY QUALIFIES FOR THAT. UM, THAT DRAWING THAT YOU SEE THERE IS NOT TO SCALE. I WILL SAY THAT THE ROCK THAT WAS CHOSEN, UM, IT'S VERY AESTHETIC. THE COLORS, UM, COMPLEMENT THE HOUSE. IT WILL ALL BE HAND INSTALLED. IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE DUMPED THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, PUT IN IN DIFFERENT TYPE PATTERNS. UM, THE WALL IN THE FRONT, UH, THAT ACTUALLY HAD, UH, A LOT OF EROSION OFF OF THAT. THERE WAS ALWAYS MUD ON THE SIDEWALK, CONTINUALLY ALL THE WATER FROM THE, UH, EXISTING GRASS THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, JUST BASICALLY, UM, RAN OFF AND INTO THE STREET. SO DEFINITELY, UM, NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL WATER CONSERVATION. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, AND I DID, UH, PROVIDE A COUPLE PICTURES. MONTE VISTA HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF LANDSCAPES. I MEAN, UM, APPARENTLY THERE'S ABOUT 3000 HOMES THERE. UH, THERE'S SO MUCH. UM, RIGHT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE THAT'S GRANITE. IT BARELY HAS ANY LANDSCAPE MATERIAL IN IT, UM, THAT IS ON THE SLOPE. THE NEXT PICTURE THAT I HAD ALSO HAS, UM, JUST ROCK, UH, WITH A RETAINING WALL, UH, FURTHER BACK WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, UM, ON THE SAME TYPE, SIMILAR SLOPE YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH MONTE VISTA. THESE WERE OFF OF ROSEWOOD, THEY'RE ON EVERY SINGLE STREET THERE. THERE'S SOME ON LINWOOD, UM, JUST ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WITHIN, UH, WHAT THE LANDSCAPES LOOK LIKE IN MONTE VISTA. UM, THE ONE THING I DID WANNA SAY IS THAT THIS PROJECT ALSO, UH, WILL BE REMOVING, UH, PARTIAL IRRIGATION. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER CONSERVATION THERE. UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A SEVERE DROUGHT. WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED DEGREE TEMPERATURES. UM, THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY AESTHETICS FOR THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE WATER CONSERVATION. AND I DID WANNA BRING, UM, UP THE LEGISLATURE THAT WAS ALSO, UM, PROMOTED IN SAS PUBLICATION. AND I CAN READ DIRECTLY FROM THAT, WHICH ALSO RE UH, IS A CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS MADE HERE. A PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION MAY NOT INCLUDE OR ENFORCE A PROVISION IN A DE KORY INSTRUMENT THAT PROHIBITS A, RESTRICTS A PROPERTY OWNER FROM USING DROUGHT RESISTANT LANDSCAPING. AND IT ALSO GOES ON TO SAY THAT THAT ASSOCIATION MAY NOT UNREASONABLY DENY OR WITHHOLD APPROVAL OF A PROS OF A PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF DROUGHT RESISTANT LANDSCAPING, OR UNREASONABLY DETERMINE THAT THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION IS AESTHETICALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH OTHER LANDSCAPES IN THE SUBDIVISION. AND THAT IS TEXAS LAW. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE BROUGHT IN BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE TRYING TO MAKE RESIDENTS HAVE GRASS, WATER, GRASS, AND PUT IN LANDSCAPES THAT ARE WATER INTENSIVE. AND THIS LANDSCAPE IS NOT ONLY GONNA BE AESTHETIC, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE WATER CONSERVATION ALONG WITH, UH, JUST BEAUTIFYING THAT WHOLE FRONT. AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A COMMITTEE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND TO ME, APPROPRIATENESS MEANS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE IS ALL IN THE MIND OF THE BEHOLDER. IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE AND IT'S, UH, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T BE INSTALLING SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T BE PROUD OF AFTER IT WAS INSTALLED. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE TWO 19 WEST SMER AT THIS POINT. ANY QUESTIONS? [00:20:01] THANK YOU, MA'AM. UM, YES, I'M GONNA START WITH THE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, VICE CHAIR. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, IF THAT'S OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, ON THE THREE COMMENTS, THEY ALL REFERENCED THIS BEING IN VIOLATION, BUT YET IN YOUR NOTES AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU SAY THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES. SO CAN YOU GIMME SOME CLARIFICATION? BECAUSE ALL THREE COMMENTS SAID THAT IT WAS IN VIOLATION. SO IS IT IN VIOLATION OF THE HOA CODES? IS IT IN VIOLATION OF HISTORIC CODES? I'M CONFUSED. UH, YEAH. SO THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT, UH, HISTORIC LANDSCAPES SHOULD BE RETAINED. UH, MONTE VISTA HAS A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BERMS WITH STEEP SLOPES, UH, STAFF. WE GENERALLY FIND THAT THIS IS A LOW RETAINING WALL AND THAT IT GENERALLY MAINTAINS THE HEIGHT, THE FRONT YARD ELEVATION. UH, SO WE FIND THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE STONES INSTALLED IN THE FRONT YARD, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, POINT TO, AND WE HAVE A POLICY GUIDE THAT WE RECOMMEND 50%, ROUGHLY 50% OF THE, UH, FRONT YARD REMAIN NATIVE VEGETATION. UH, GENERALLY WE THINK THAT WITH THE TREE THE JASMINE PLANTED AROUND THE BOARD WITH THE FRONT, UH, LANDSCAPING OR THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FACADE, UH, WE THINK THAT THIS IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATE WITH THE GUIDELINES. WELL, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE NOW HOA HAS BEEN SET A COUPLE OF TIMES, THIS IS NOT AN HOA, UM, THIS IS A CITY APPROVAL PROCESS BECAUSE OF THE DESIGNATION. UM, AND SO THESE ARE CITY ADOPTED GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE APPLYING TO THE REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, COREY. THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN THE COMMENTS WERE THAT THEY WERE IN VIOLATION, BUT THE CITY WAS FINDING THAT IT WAS NOT. SO THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED CLARIFICATION ON. WELL, AND YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S OUR INTERPRETATION. WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH GUIDELINES, UM, AND THERE'S DISAGREEMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR, IS THAT WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THOSE ARGUMENTS AND THEN YOU ALL WEIGH THEM AND MAKE A DECISION. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT JUST CLEAR, THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. UM, IT WORK WAS STOPPED, BUT THEY LISTENED TO THE STOP WORK ORDER, AND SO THEY HAVE COMPLIED TO COME IN HERE AND SEEK REVIEW. THE WALL IN PARTICULAR IS THE PART THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MS. DAVIS? SARAH? UH, NO. OH, OKAY. JUST CHECKING. CARLOS, GO AHEAD. WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION, BY THE WAY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NOPE, I'M, YOU CAN HEAR ME. UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M VERY INTERESTED AND CONCERNED BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, I, MY FAMILY HAD A HISTORY OF HAVING A LANDSCAPING COMPANY AS WELL. AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, IN CONCERT WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. MY, MY CONCERNS HERE ARE THAT, UH, YOU, YOU WERE VERY CRITICAL MA'AM ABOUT, UH, WATER CONSERVATION AND THE, AND THE STATE'S, UH, INPUT LAWS AND, AND THE ASSOCIATIONS. AND SO WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO YOU TALK ABOUT THE AESTHETICS AND THE CONSERVATION, THAT'S ALL YOU SAID, BUT YOU WEREN'T AT ALL DESCRIPTIVE AS TO HOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE OBJECTIVES WERE GONNA BE MET AND THEN HOW THEY WERE GONNA, UM, PLAY OFF OF EACH OTHER IN CONCERT, THE AESTHETICS AND THE WATER CONSERVATION. MM-HMM . THOSE WERE THE THINGS YOU WERE CRITICAL ABOUT. MM-HMM . YOU ALL YOU SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WORK AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE TWO ISSUES. AND THAT'S IT. SO WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? IT IT, THE QUESTION IS OBVIOUS. YOU ARE NOT DESCRIPTIVE ENOUGH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION AND, AND THE AESTHETICS OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THAT'S, SO I DID MENTION THAT, UH, PART OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM WOULD BE REMOVED. THAT IS WATER CONSERVATION. OBVIOUSLY, WA ROCK, THE PART OF THAT LANDSCAPE THAT WILL BE ROCK, OBVIOUSLY, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE WATERED IN ANY WAY. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MAINTAINED OTHER THAN REMOVAL OF LEAVES AND DEBRIS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO ALL OF THAT SECTION WHERE THE ROCK IS GOING TO BE, THAT LANDSCAPE IS GOING, UH, THAT IRRIGATION IS GOING TO BE REMOVED. SO THEREFORE THAT DEFINITELY IS GOING [00:25:01] TO CUT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF GALLONS OF WATER PER MONTH THAT THAT LANDSCAPE IS GOING TO USE. SO THAT'S THE WATER CON, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATION ISSUE. AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS, THE ROCKS ACTUALLY MATCH THE, UH, FACADE OF THAT, UH, HOUSE. I MEAN, IT'S GOT THE SAME COLORS IN IT. THAT HOUSE HAS A TILE ROOF THAT'S RED. UM, IT'S GOT WHITE, UH, ALL OF THAT BLENDS IN WITH THAT, ALONG WITH THE GREENERY THAT WILL BE IN THERE. UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ALREADY, UM, YOU KNOW, A BED WITH MATURE LANDSCAPE MATERIAL THAT IS RIGHT UP ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO ALL OF THAT PLAYS INTO THAT WHOLE AESTHETICS. AND AS I MENTIONED, THOSE ROCKS WILL BE, UM, HAND LAID. SO THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA BE HAPHAZARDLY DUMPED THERE. UH, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE HAND LAID IN A PATTERN. AND THERE WILL BE ALSO AREAS THAT WILL HAVE MULCH IN IT AROUND THE TREES THAT WILL NOT HAVE ROCK. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION AND AESTHETICS. WELL, THE, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT ALL THE GRASS AREA MM-HMM . IS, IS GOING TO BE FILLED IN WITH THESE ROCKS, NOT THE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALREADY SEE THAT THERE'S BEDS MADE THERE, AND THAT ALREADY HAS A GROUND COVER AROUND THE WHOLE BORDER OF THE LANDSCAPE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL, UM, ROCK WILL BE PLACED. AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, THAT WAS A BEFORE PICTURE, UM, RIGHT THERE, THAT'S WHAT THE LANDSCAPE USED TO LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, THE GRASS NEVER GREW. IT WAS INSTALLED THREE DIFFERENT TIMES AND THREE DIFFERENT TIMES IT DIED BECAUSE, UM, EVEN THE MOST, UH, SHADE TOLERANT GRASS NEEDS AT LEAST 50% SUNLIGHT DURING THE DAY. SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GROW GRASS THERE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE GONNA FILL THAT IN WITH BROX THEN? NOT ENTIRELY, NO. AND AS I SAID, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE YOU SEE THE BEDS, THERE IS, THAT IS THREE FEET WIDE OF ASIAN JASMINE THAT IS ON THE PERIMETER OF THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THOSE ROCKS WERE ALREADY LAID OUT, BUT UP UNDERNEATH THE TREES WHERE THERE WERE PREVIOUS TREE RINGS, THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE IN MULCH. SO THE, UH, THE FLOWER BEDS, WHAT, MORE, MORE OF THE SAME? NO, THERE THE BEDS THAT ARE EXISTING STAY EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE. NOTHING'S CHANGING WITH THAT. JUST, THERE WERE NO FLOWER BEDS. IT WAS JUST GRASS. YEAH. SO JUST, YOU'RE JUST GONNA VIEW LIKE THAT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. ARE YOU GONNA ADD MORE OF THE, WHAT IS IT? UM, UH, NO, THE JASMINE IS A THREE FOOT BORDER AROUND THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF BOTH SIDES OF THE SIDEWALK. THE EXISTING BED, AS YOU CAN SEE BEHIND THE TREES THERE, COMES OUT ABOUT 12 FEET. AND THEN THE ROCK WILL GO IN THOSE LARGER AREAS. BUT UNDERNEATH THE TREES WHERE THE EXISTING TREE RINGS ARE, THAT'S GOING TO BE MULCH. THERE IS NO MORE GRASS, THE GRASS IS GONE. SORRY, I GET THAT. BUT I, I'M JUST WONDERING THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOWER BEDS AND, AND WELL, THE, IF THE BEDS ON THE SIDE AND THE BEDS IN THE FRONT ARE 12 FEET, IT'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN 50% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT FRONT YARD IS STILL IN VEGETATION. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ASKED FOR 50%. OKAY. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, THE ROCKS ARE VERY PRETTY. ALRIGHT. SO YOU MM-HMM . YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF TIME, UH, NOT ONLY INSTALLING ROCK, BUT BEING VERY SELECTIVE ON ON WHICH ROCKS. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. SO YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAND STOPPED. HOLD ON, LET ME, LET ME FINISH. UH, AND, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT COLORED ROCK. I DON'T, I SEE SOME, BUT NOT ALL THAT MUCH. BUT ROCKS ARE ROCKS. AND SO YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE OF PUTTING ALL THE, ALL THOSE ROCKS AS YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU'RE BEING PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO HOW YOU PUT 'EM AND WHERE YOU PUT 'EM. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THE FLOWER BEDS JUST LIKE THAT, LIKE THAT, UH, AS THEY ARE. I, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE YOU'RE MENTIONING THE AESTHETIC VALUE OF THIS AS WELL. I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T, WHAT'S, I DON'T GET IT . SO MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE IT. MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE ROCKS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. NO, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE IT, I'M JUST TAKING [00:30:01] WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT IT, WHAT, WHAT, WELL, THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR ISSUES, RIGHT. THE, THE, THAT IT, THE HOUSE NEXT MAINTAINS THE GLORY OF THE, OF THE PAST HISTORICAL AESTHETICS OF IT. THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THE RIGHT IS MADE OF FIELDSTONE, LOOKS JUST EXACTLY LIKE THIS. AND TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS TYPE OF ROCK WOULD BE OFFENSIVE WHEN THE WHOLE HOUSE THAT IS EXACTLY NEXT DOOR IS MADE OUT OF THAT TYPE OF ROCK. TOTAL COBBLESTONE. THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSE IS BUILT WITH. IT'S TO THE RIGHT THERE. AND, UM, THO YOU CAN'T SEE THE DEPTH OF THAT BED FROM HERE, BUT THE DEPTH OF THAT BED, LIKE I SAID, IS A MINIMUM 12 FEET. IT HAS ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT VEGETATION IN, AND WHEN YOU SAY I'M JUST LEAVING IT LIKE THAT, THO THE JASMINE IS NOT, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST BASICALLY PLANTED. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANCE TO FINISH ANYTHING. SO THAT WAS JUST PLANTED. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE A SOLID GREEN GROUND COVER. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. I'M JUST LEAVING IT LIKE THAT. TO ME, THAT'S VERY AESTHETIC. ONCE THOSE ROCKS ARE PLACED ON THERE, IT'S GONNA BE, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE COMBINED INTO ONE LANDSCAPE. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS GONNA COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER AS WELL AS THE HOUSE AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER. IF YOU WANNA WRAP UP YOUR YEAH. QUESTION PART. YES. I, I'LL WRAP IT UP. I'LL, I'LL I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS USED THAT, THAT WAS CRITICAL ABOUT THE AESTHETICS AND THE WATER CONSERVATION. YOU EVEN SHOWED US OTHER PICTURES OF, OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS THE ROCKS THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING, THE, THE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT THERE, YOU, THAT THE HOUSE WAS MADE OF THIS KIND OF ROCK MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND LANDSCAPING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, I WANNA ASK THE LADY THAT WAS HERE EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WITH HER CONCERNS, THE LADY UP THERE. YEAH. COULD, COULD I, THAT WAS HONOR. THAT'S A DIFFERENT CASE. DIFFERENT CASE. BUT, BUT I, I THINK TO TALK ABOUT THIS, HERE WE ARE. SHE'S NOT HERE, SHE'S HERE FOR THE SOUTH ALAMO CASE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MENTION IS THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, WHICH WAS A CONCERN. WELL THEN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS THAT THE, THAT I'M RESPONDING TO WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TODAY. AND YOU, YOU POINT OUT THAT THE, THE HOUSE TO THE NEXT IS CONSTRUCTED BY THESE ROCKS. MM-HMM . IT. WHEN YOU USE ROCKS TO CONSTRUCT THE HOUSE, THAT'S ONE THING TO U WHEN YOU USE ROCKS LIKE THIS FOR LANDSCAPE, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER VENT. OKAY. SO, I'M SORRY. ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU. I'M CONCERNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST THE ROCKS. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER PLANT MATERIAL THERE, AND THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THAT'S GONNA CREATE ANY HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. THERE'S TWO MASSIVE SHADE TREES, AND THAT'S WHY THE GRASS DIDN'T GROW THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. MA'AM, I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY TAP OFF OF HIS COMMENTS REALLY QUICK AND, UM, BEFORE I LET MY COLLEAGUES, UM, ARE YOU NOT CONCERNED AT ALL ABOUT THE STONE, UH, INFRINGING ON THE, THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THAT BEAUTIFUL? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A RED OAK. YEAH, THERE'S A RED OAK THERE. UHHUH, AND A PEAR TREE. SO WOULD THE HEAT COME? ABSOLUTELY NOT, NO. WHEN YOU'RE THERE, UH, DURING THE DAY WHEN THERE IS SUNLIGHT UHHUH THAT IS PROBABLY SHADED 90% OF THE TIME WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT AFFECT THE, THE ROOTS OF THOSE. AND I'M A CERTIFIED ARBORIST, AND I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO HARM THE TREES. I PLANTED THOSE TREES. AH, GREAT. I, I'VE BEEN WORKING AT THAT HOUSE FOR PROBABLY THE LAST 20 YEARS. SO I PLANTED THOSE TREES. I'VE DONE ALL THE WORK. I MEAN, WE LEFT ALL THE GRASS OUT ON THE, UH, SIDE BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK. ALL OF THAT GRASS IS GOING TO REMAIN WHERE THERE IS SUNLIGHT. AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE GRASS DOESN'T GROW, IS BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE SO LARGE AND THEY PROVIDE TONS OF SHADE. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA LET MY COLLEAGUE FROM, FROM DISTRICT ONE. GO AHEAD. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MORNING. MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SURE. I HAD, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. PART PART OF WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS, IS THE LANGUAGE, PROBABLY WHAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS CONFUSED ABOUT. PART OF THE LANGUAGE WITH, UM, CHANGING GRASS LIKE THIS, UH, OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES TALKS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF VISIBILITY MM-HMM . AND SO OFTEN WE HAVE CHANGES CASES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE CHANGES THAT MIGHT MEET THE 50% THRESHOLD, BUT VISIT FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT, IT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE EARLIER ON BEHALF [00:35:01] OF MONTE VISTA HAD A, I THINK, AND HERE'S THE REMARKS. I HEARD A COUPLE OF IDEAS RELATIVE TO MAYBE SOME COMPROMISE AROUND, UM, AROUND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING VERSUS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT GET COMFORTABLE WITH. DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR CLIENT, THE HOMEOWNER, IS OPEN TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON COMPROMISES OR WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN DO TO RENT, BECAUSE IT IS A VIOLATION CASE, I'M ASSUMING IT, IT, IT'LL BE HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LONGTIME RESIDENT IN MONTE VISTA DIDN'T KNOW THEY SHOULD HAVE COME AND GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION FROM MM-HMM . HISTORIC TO DO THIS. OFTEN IN THAT PROCESS IS WHEN, SO THESE SOLUTIONS AND COMPROMISES GET FLUSHED OUT. CORRECT. SO WE'VE HAD CASES BEFORE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO VISITING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COME INTO TERMS ON A COMPROMISE, ONE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. AND TWO, THAT CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT RELATIVE TO MM-HMM . I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR MY COLLEAGUES, BUT CERTAINLY FOR ME, UM, ON THESE CASES. SO I GUESS LONG WAY TO ASK THE QUESTION, DO YOU THINK YOUR, YOUR CLIENT, THE HOMEOWNER, IS OPEN TO DELIBERATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT AT LEAST MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE? OR WOULD YOU RATHER US MAKE THE DECISION TODAY? AND WORST CASE YOU'D BE BACK HERE AGAIN AND, UH, BASICALLY PRESENTING THE SAME CASE IF YOU GUYS CAN'T COME TO TERMS. RIGHT. UM, I DO THINK THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD PROBABLY BE AMENABLE TO THAT. HOWEVER, I'M NOT SO SURE I AM , NOT THAT I HAVE ALL THAT SAY IN IT. I THINK THEY'RE SINGLING THIS HOUSEHOLD OUT COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU CAN DRIVE UP AND DOWN THERE, THERE'S RETAINING WALLS ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK AS YOU SAID IT, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT, IT IS A VIOLATION BECAUSE IT WASN'T APPROVED PRIOR. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE, UM, THERE WAS NO PLACE, I GUESS, ON ANY WEBSITE THAT EVEN WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED MONTEVISTA, I KNOW IT'S NOT A ACTUAL HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BUT ALL THEY HAVE ON THEIR WEBSITE IS GUIDELINES, HISTORICAL GUIDELINES. IT DOESN'T SAY ANY PLACE THERE THAT A LANDSCAPE MUST BE APPROVED. I LIVED IN LA VACA FOR YEARS. NO ONE ASKED ME TO APPROVE MY LANDSCAPE. I PUT IT IN THE ONLY THING, I CAME TO THE CITY AND I ASKED, AND THE ONLY THING THEY REQUIRED WAS TWO TREES. THAT'S IT. THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THAT. AND A FENCE THAT THE FENCE WAS NO HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET. SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND I WAS NEVER AWARE OF A COMMITTEE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT NEEDED TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LANDSCAPE APPROVED. I MEAN, LOTS OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS DO THAT. BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM MONTE VISTA ALSO STATED IT'S NOT A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST, I GUESS A PROPERTY, UM, ASSOCIATION THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS A WEBSITE. IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. EXACTLY. IT CREATES THESE GUIDELINES IN THE CITY CODE AND THAT'S WHAT ENFORCES EXACTLY. AND I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE SINGLING THIS HOUSEHOLD OUT. I MEAN, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH MONTEVISTA AND THEY'RE, TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THESE ROCKS ARE A WHOLE LOT MORE AESTHETIC THAN HAVING A BIG FRONT YARD WITH NOTHING BUT CRUSHED GRANITE AND A FEW DESERT PLANTS AS IN CACTUS, YUCCA, THAT TYPE OF THING. I MEAN, TO ME, THIS IS MUCH MORE AESTHETIC. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA CREATE A HEAT ISLAND EFFECT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN. NOT WITH THE LARGE SHADE TREES. SO, UM, I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE AMENABLE TO IT. I JUST THINK THAT TO ME, ONCE IT'S FINISHED AND NOBODY'S SEEN THE FINISHED PRODUCT, IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. IT REALLY IS. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ON THE SAME LINE THAT ALL THE OTHER LANDSCAPES THAT HAVE REMOVED ALL THEIR GRASS ARE AS WELL IN THAT SUBDIVISION. YEAH. AND I RECOGNIZE THE POINT ABOUT YOU'RE GONNA FIND EXAMPLES OF OTHER THINGS AROUND, I MEAN, OUR TASK TODAY IS JUST TO DEAL WITH THE CASES TODAY. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHY ONE GOT DONE ONE WAY AND ONE GOT DONE ANOTHER WAY. SO. RIGHT. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF, I MEAN, MY, MY OPINION ON THIS CASE IS IF, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION, NOT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I I SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE. YES. BUT IT'S RELATED TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION YES. OR THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATION. SO IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, I WOULD WELCOME THAT. I THINK, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND FOUND. FRANKLY, IF THERE ISN'T, THIS CASE WOULD COME RIGHT BACK AND WE WOULD MM-HMM . WE WOULD DECIDE IT LIKE WE WOULD ANYWAY. AND SO THAT, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS FOR THESE CASES. AND SINCE IT WASN'T DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE MM-HMM . I GUESS WHAT [00:40:01] I'M SAYING IS I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT IF YOU THINK YOUR CLIENT, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. OTHERWISE WE CAN JUST KEEP DELIBERATING AND MAKE A DECISION TODAY. AND I DO THINK THEY PROBABLY WOULD. HOWEVER, WHAT RYAN SUGGESTED, I THINK IS, UH, TOO MUCH. HE WANTS TO TEAR TWO LAYERS OFF THE WALL, WHICH MEANS YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN HAVE THE RETAINING WALL BECAUSE, UH, THAT FIRST LAYER, THAT LOOKS HUGE. IT'S NOT HUGE. THOSE ARE FOUR INCH ROCKS. UM, SO IF YOU TAKE OFF THE TOP TWO LAYERS, WHICH WAS THEIR COMPROMISE, AND JUST LEAVE THAT BOTTOM PIECE, YOU'RE GONNA, UH, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE SOIL, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO INCHES ABOVE THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO STOP THE EROSION IN THAT AREA. AND THEN I BELIEVE HIS OTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT USE MANY OF THOSE ROCKS, JUST USE A FEW OF THOSE AND PUT MUCH MORE VEGETATION IN. AND TO ME, THAT'S NOT A COMPROMISE. THAT'S HAVING WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAVING THE WHOLE THING EXACTLY HOW THEY WANT IT. YEAH. TO ME, A COMPROMISE WOULD BE AT LEAST LEAVE TWO LAYERS ON THERE AND ALLOW US TO USE ALL THE ROCK AS WE WERE GOING TO AND MAYBE MAKE THE BORDERS A LITTLE BIT LARGER. THAT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T REALLY, UH, CORRECT, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THOSE PARTICULAR DETAILS UP HERE. BUT, UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST ASK AGAIN. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO DELAY IT 30 DAYS UNLESS COMMISSIONERS, AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING, HAVE ANY COMMENTS. YEAH. OKAY. I'VE ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU. YOU, AND GO AHEAD, MR. AND I SECOND THAT. I THINK THAT WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS ANY LIKE, STARK OPPOSITION TO, TO NOT DOING LANDSCAPING, BUT THERE WAS ROOM. SO I SECOND MY COLLEAGUES LIKE THOUGHTS THAT IF THERE IS AVAILABILITY FOR A CONVERSATION, THAT'S GREAT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LOW MAINTENANCE AND THE ROCKS ARE GONNA BE HAND PLACED. UM, SO WHEN THE ROCKS ARE PLACED, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FILLING IN THE GAPS WITH ANYTHING OR ULTIMATELY IS IT JUST GONNA HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WEEDS GROWING UP THROUGH IT? ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO THE GROUND WAS ALREADY PREPARED. UH, BOTH A POST AND PRE-EMERGENT HERBICIDE WERE USED. THERE WON'T BE ANY WEEDS COMING UP. UM, IF THERE ARE, THOSE CAN BE CERTAINLY ADDRESSED. AS THEY DO, THE ROCKS WILL BE OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER, SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SPACES BETWEEN THE ROCKS. AND SO IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW PERVIOUS THAT IS, UM, WOULD YOU CALL IT IMPERVIOUS OR WOULD YOU CALL IT I WOULD CALL IT TOTALLY PERVIOUS. UH, PROBABLY MORE PERVIOUS THAN A CRUSHED, UH, GRANITE TYPE LANDSCAPE THAT IS PACKED AND WATER RUNS OFF. WATER DEFINITELY WOULD NOT RUN OFF OF THIS BECAUSE THE ROCKS ARE MUCH LARGER AND I MEAN, THE WATER WOULD PERCOLATE ALL AROUND THEM. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I MEAN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS IF, UH, THERE'S NO DECISION TODAY AND THEN YOU GO BACK AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, THE HOMEOWNERS OR WHATEVER, THE MONTE VISTA THINGY AND UH, THEN SURE. COME TO SOME COMPROMISE AND THEN COME BACK HERE AND YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT IS THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE I'LL LET STAFF ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. YEAH. UH, I, I GUESS THERE'S TWO OPTIONS. UH, THE FIRST IS IF, UM, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT TO POSTPONE AND TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE, THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK HERE, I THINK ON JUNE THE 20TH, UM, IDEALLY AND, AND PLACE THAT COMPROMISE IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. UM, IT, THE COMMISSION TAKES ACTION TODAY. UM, THAT ACTION GOES A COUPLE OF WAYS. THEY COULD DENY IT OR THEY COULD APPROVE IT OR APPROVE IT WITH STIPULATIONS. UM, IF IT WERE DENIED, THEN PROBABLY THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE GOING AND TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE OR A PLAN THAT'S IN BETWEEN WHAT'S PROPOSED AND, AND WHAT YOU STARTED WITH TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. UH, SO, UM, THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO OPTIONS. UH, BOTH WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY ALLOW YOU TO COME BACK, UM, ON, AT THE NEXT HEARING. THAT'S ON JUNE THE 20TH. EDWARD ISN'T ONE OPTION TO COME BACK ON CONSENT AGENDA, HASN'T THAT HAPPENED BEFORE? IT IT CERTAINLY HAS. UM, I, AND I THINK THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMPROMISE MAY, MAY PROVIDE THAT, UM, IF, IF THERE WERE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUPPORT AND, AND YOU FOUND AN OPTION THAT, UH, FIT, FIT THE LANDSCAPING IDEA THAT YOU HAVE HERE. UM, SO A, A POSTPONING AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN COMING BACK COULD RESULT IN SOMETHING AND CITY STAFF TOO, OF COURSE, WORKING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE TIMEFRAME, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SITTING THERE FOR TWO MONTHS NOW, YOU KNOW, THE VEGETATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PLANTED HAS A CHANCE OF DYING. IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES OUT THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ASIATIC JASMINE? THAT IS CORRECT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY KINDA WORK. SO EVERYTHING'S JUST ON HOLD. SO THE LONGER DID Y'ALL GOES AND THE LONG, PARDON ME, DID YOU ALREADY REMOVE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM? UH, PARTS OF IT ARE SHUT DOWN. THAT [00:45:01] IS CORRECT. YEAH. SO, UM, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON MAINTAINING THE ASIA JASMINE? WELL, EVERYTHING'S ON HOLD, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK AND DO ANYTHING. SO I, I AM ASSUMING, I MEAN, THE HOMEOWNERS RIGHT NOW ARE IN EUROPE. UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY'S BEEN HAND WATERING IT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT THE LONGER THIS GOES, THE MORE, UM, ISSUES WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH SURVIVABILITY OF PLANTS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUNE 20TH IS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT AS WELL BE IN THE MIDDLE. WELL, THAT IS ALREADY SUMMER. I, I GENERALLY DON'T INSTALL VEGETATION AFTER JUNE 1ST. IT'S JUST TOO HOT HERE. IT'S TOO HOT, IT'S TOO DRY. UM, YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T MAINTAIN IT. AND PLANTS TAKE MINIMUM OF, YOU KNOW, NINE MONTHS TO ESTABLISH ROOTS. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT CONTINUING TO JUST PUT THIS ON HOLD, PUT IT ON HOLD, PUT IT ON HOLD, AS WELL AS THE ROCKS HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THAT LOCATION, THEY'RE NOW BACK IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE ALTHOUGH PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GUESS DON'T LIKE 'EM, THEY SURE LIKE TO STOP AND STEAL 'EM, . OKAY. SO MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY CHIMED IN. UM, AND I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW. SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR OR THE PROPERTY, NOT YOUR PROPERTY, UM, ON, I GUESS IT'S GOOGLE EARTH. AND THAT BERM DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS VERY HIGH AT ALL. UM, IT APPEARS THERE'S GRASS GROWING ON IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM NOVEMBER. THIS PICTURE HERE? OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT PICTURE? I'M LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ONE. 'CAUSE OKAY. OF COURSE THE ONE YOU PUT IS YEAH. GONNA BE FITTING FOR THE CASE. . WELL, THAT'S, I DIDN'T TAKE THAT PICTURE. THAT WAS SOMETHING, THE ONE WITH THE RAINWATER. THE CITY DID PUDDLED UP, PARDON ME, THE ONE WITH THE RAINWATER PUDDLED UP. I DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT EITHER. THAT WAS THE HOMEOWNERS. THE ONLY TWO PICTURES I PROVIDED WERE OF OTHER LANDSCAPES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT ANOTHER ONE AND, UH, ON GOOGLE EARTH OR WHATEVER IT IS. YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO PULL THAT UP HERE. AND THAT BERM DOES NOT LOOK HIGH. SO IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET. AND IN, UH, OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, INCLUDING YOUR OWN OR INCLUDING, UH, THE HOMEOWNER'S OWN DISTRICT? I'VE SEEN BERMS ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT THAT JUST PUT THE ASIA JASMINE, WHERE THAT BERM IS, UM, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SOIL TO PREVENT HAVING TO INSTALL ANY KIND OF RETAINING WALL, UM, INSTALLATION AT ALL. UM, WAS THERE SOIL BROUGHT IN TO RAISE, UH, TO PUT BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL? THAT WAS NO, NONE AT ALL. NO, NO. THE, UH, THERE WAS SOME SOIL THAT HAD TO BE EXCAVATED, UH, TO PUT THAT, UH, RETAINING WALL IN, AND THAT SOIL WAS PUT BEHIND THE WALL, BUT THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL SOIL BROUGHT INTO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND 'CAUSE THE BERM LOOKS SO LOW RIGHT NOW OR FROM THE PAST THAT IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET. I MEAN, IF YOU, THE BERM COMES UP TO AT LEAST HERE, THAT'S THE SLOPE. I MEAN, THE SLOPE IS, THE SLOPE'S PROBABLY AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. AND ASIAN JASMINE, UM, IF IT WAS MATURE, IT PROBABLY WOULD STOP THEIR EROSION. MM-HMM . BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO GO ONTO THE SIDEWALK. SO YEAH, IT'S, THIS IS A TOUGH CASE, BUT, UM, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED, UH, ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL, I JUST FIND IT INAPPROPRIATE. UM, AND THEN THE STONES, IT'S, IT'S OVERKILL. UM, AND I GOTTA ASK FOR A MOTION. I CAN'T MAKE IT AS THE, THE CHAIR, SO I GOTTA ASK FOR A MOTION FROM MY COLLEAGUES. YEAH, I I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING. YOU SAID THE HOMEOWNERS ARE IN EUROPE. THAT IS CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK, I DO NOT. UH, 'CAUSE THE ONLY THING IS IF WE'RE ASKING THE HOMEOWNERS TO CO TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEN PUTTING IT ON JUNE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK IN JUNE, THEN THERE IS NO AVAILABILITY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO TALK TO, TO MONTE VISTA. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE GONE THAT LONG. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GONE A FEW WEEKS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SO I, UNLESS THEY'RE STAYING EXTENSIVELY, YOU KNOW, FOR MONTHS, WHICH THEY DIDN'T TELL ME, SO I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE PROBABLY COMING BACK IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO AND THEN QUICKLY. OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO REASON SHE CAN'T, THAT THE, THAT THE JASMINE CAN'T BE MAINTAINED RIGHT BY HAND WATERING OR SOMETHING. IT, IT'S SURVIVE. YOU PLANTED IT, THERE'S IRRIGATION TO SOME OF THE YARD. CORRECT. AND YOU'RE, YES. YOU ONLY SAID YOU WERE TAKING OUT THE IRRIGATION AROUND THE, THE TREES WHERE THE ROCKS ARE GONNA GO. AND SO IN THEORY, YOU'RE JUST NOT WATERING THE JASMINE, BUT YOU COULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I WAS PULLED OFF THE PROJECT. I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE BY THE HOMEOWNERS TO DEFEND THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN EUROPE. [00:50:01] SO I'M JUST BASICALLY DOING THEM A HUGE FAVOR BY COMING DOWN HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY HAND WATERING. I HAVEN'T BEEN BY THE RESIDENCE IN A MONTH FOR ALL I KNOW THAT JASMINE'S DEAD. I HAVE NO IDEA. MAYBE RYAN WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER SAY THAT BECAUSE HE LIVES AROUND THE CORNER. MAYBE HE SEES IT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT. I JUST KNOW THE ROCKS WERE MOVED BECAUSE THE PROJECT WAS STALLED, SO IT'S STILL ALIVE. ANYTHING ELSE MS. DAVIS? NO, THANK YOU. HE SAID IT'S STILL ALIVE, SO SOMEBODY MUST BE WATERING IT. . ALL RIGHT. I THINK THE, THE HOMEOWNER'S NOT, UH, SHOWING UP ALSO SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. WELL, I THINK THEY ALREADY HAD AN ITALIAN TRIP PLANNED, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD JUST SAY, OH, WELL I'M NOT GONNA GO TO ITALY, SO I CAN GO DOWN THERE. I THINK THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING. I MEAN, SO I CAN'T FAULT THEM FOR NOT BEING HERE. SO ONE LAST QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS THE, UH, WHAT YOU SAID WAS LAW THAT YOU CITED MM-HMM . WHAT IS THIS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO I DON'T SEE ANY COUNSEL HERE, BUT THIS IS, THAT WAS ABOUT HOAS, THE SECTION 2 0 2 0.007 PROPERTY CODE SUBSECTION BEING ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THIS WAS SOMETHING BECAUSE HOMEOWNERS WERE BASICALLY, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WERE BASICALLY MAKING HOMEOWNERS PLANT GRASS AND WATER DRY GRASS. AND THEY TOTALLY DID AWAY WITH THAT. SO IT IS NOW THE LAW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT YOU CANNOT FORCE SOMEONE TO HAVE GRASS IN THEIR LAWN OR LANDSCAPE ANYWHERE. AND THAT IS THE LAW, COREY. SO THAT'S HOAS, BUT OUR POLICY ALSO DOES NOT REQUIRE GRASS. JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOBODY'S REQUIRING GRASS. THE ONLY CITY ORDINANCE THAT PERTAINS TO WATERING IS THE SAW WATERING RESTRICTIONS. AND SO WE DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT. AND LIKE HE SAID, THIS IS NOT AN HOA THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THIS IS, THIS WAS FOR AN HOA, BUT THIS IS ALSO JUST FOR PERSONS. I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN AN HOA AND THE CITY COMES ALONG BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A HISTORIC S YOU KNOW, DISTRICT A DISTRICT, AND THEY SAY TO YOU, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GRASS. YOU CAN SAY, I DON'T THINK SO. . WELL, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT JUST, AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT, BUT IT ALSO SAYS IN HERE THAT, THAT THE ANY PERSON, AND THIS IS ALSO, IT WAS PART OF THE CITY CODE, UM, THAT THE CITY ALSO ADOPTED HERE, UH, CITY ORDINANCE SECTION THREE, 4.275. THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAME UP WITH. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PROMOTED ON THE SAUL'S WEBSITE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS OWNED BY THE CITY. SURE. WELL, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE, SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT SAYS HERE THAT THEY CAN'T UNREASONABLY DETERMINE THAT A PROPOSED INSULATION IS NOT AESTHETICALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH OTHER LANDSCAPING IN THE SUBDIVISION. THAT IS ALSO A LAW. AND THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I WAS CITING. I'M NOT A LAWYER AND NEITHER. WELL, I THINK THERE'S ONE, BUT WELL, I'M JUST SAYING YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP ON TEXAS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALK ABOUT. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THANK YOU, WHAT THERE CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE. SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, CALLING FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. I'LL MOVE THAT. UM, WE CONTINUE HDRC CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 1 0 6 AT TWO 19 WEST ELSMERE PLACE, UH, WITH THE HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION AND, AND CITY OHB STAFF CAN COME TO AN APPROPRIATE COMPROMISE. I'M FINE WITH IT COMING BACK ON CONSENT IF THAT COMPROMISE IS REACHED, BUT IF WE FAST TO COME TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. I, I SECOND THE MOTION. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CLAP PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. BRI REGARD? AYE. HERNANDEZ. AYE. SETZER. AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. P*****K, NAY AND VASQUEZ? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THEY'LL DIRECT, DIRECT YOU ON NEXT STEPS. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, UH, THIS IS CHRISTOPHER. COULD I GO AHEAD. MAKE ONE SUGGESTION, . GO AHEAD, CHRIS. SO I, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF THE CONVERSATION JUST NOW SUGGESTS THAT NOW MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR A, A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, THAT CAN REACH OUT BOTH TO OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSIONS OUT THERE, UM, PARTICULARLY [00:55:01] IN, IN, IN SEMI AREA AREAS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE, UM, ADAPTING THEIR RULES TO, UH, THEIR CONDITIONS. AND ALSO, UH, WORK WITH SAS. UH, I'M ON THE CITIZEN CONSERVATION COMMITTEE OVER THERE, SO I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO WORK WITH SAS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT FINDING AND I'D URGE YOU TO WORK WITH, UM, OHP AND SAS AND OTHER STAFF TO HELP BUILD THAT KINDA COMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEE, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 1 0 9 10 37 SOUTH ALAMO STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL TO INSTALL APPROXIMATELY 4,300 SQUARE FEET OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AT THE FRONT AND SIDE YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED AT LEAST 50% NATURAL GREENERY, AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF AN UPDATED SITE PLAN, UH, FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, THE APPLICANT, MARY, WHO'S THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY, IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, MARY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND JUST, UH, WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION, WE'LL HAVE THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED ABOVE. UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES, AND I'LL JUST REMIND YOU, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS TO ANY WITNESSES TODAY. THANKS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MARY MARTINEZ. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HOTEL, KING WILLIAM, LOCATED AT 10 37 SOUTH ALAMO. UM, I WAS REALLY NOT PREPARED TO GIVE A SPEECH OR REPRESENT THE HOTEL, SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE, UH, IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE 50% NATURAL LANDSCAPING, UM, AND WOULD LIKE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU MANDATE WE DO. UM, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF, OF MY CONVERSATION OR REPRESENTATION. AND SO I'LL CHIME IN HERE WITH KIND OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE ROCK GRAVEL, UM, AND NOT THE TURF. AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST 50% WAS THE GRAVEL AND NOT THE TURF. AND WITHIN THE GRAVEL THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANTINGS THAT SORT OF FILL THAT SPACE. UNDERSTANDABLE. AND MA'AM, YOU'RE NOT THE, THE OWNER OF THE I AM NOT THE BUSINESS. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HOTEL. OKAY. UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU A WANTED TO ADD OR, UM, NO, SIR. OKAY. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE PICTURES THAT ARE TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE PACKET, THERE'S ONE THAT'S A FRONT FACING VIEW. HAS THE ASTROTURF OR TURF ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED? I'M, I'M CONFUSED. IS THAT ALREADY PRESENT? OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS WAS A VIOLATION CASE. UH, SO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS INSTALLED PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY. AND A FOLLOW UP, DOES THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, IS IT REPRESENTATIVE OF MORE THAN 50%, LESS THAN 50%? UM, WHAT DOES THAT EQUAL? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE, UM, SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED SOME A SITE PLAN WITH SOME CALCULATIONS. THE AREA THAT WAS MEASURED IS NOT REALLY HOW WE WOULD MEASURE IT, AND SO WE WOULD REALLY LOOK FOR THE AREA OF THE FRONT YARD SPACE ITSELF AND GET TO 50% FROM THERE. SO I DO THINK THAT THOSE BORDER BEDS WOULD NEED TO INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT, SIR? QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT, MR. FLORES OR, YEAH, SORRY, I I DIDN'T WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME? HER, HER, OH, SORRY. , MR. HERN. NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE HOW WILLING YOU ARE TO, TO, TO WORK WITH US ON THAT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND, AND SO IF, IF, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF KEEPING UP WITH THE RIGHT LANDSCAPING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING IT, IT ACCENTUATES OUR, OUR HISTORY. IT, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ROCKS AND DIRT AND, AND TREES. IT TELLS A STORY. SO IT'S, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. COMMISSIONER FLORES. THANK YOU. [01:00:01] UM, YEAH, THIS, THE, THIS UM, DIAGRAM HERE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN WITH THE CALCULATIONS, IT KIND OF GETS BACK TO AN EARLIER POINT. I MADE VISIBILITY RELATIVE TO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ALMOST COMPETING INTEREST FOR ME IN MY MIND. IT CAN MEET THE 50 PER BELOW 50% THRESHOLD, BUT THEN IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE, WHICH CREATES, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE KINDS OF CASES. AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW WHY THE TURF IS A LONG ALAMO, AND ON THE SIDE, IT'S BASICALLY ALL OF YOUR FRONT AND SIDE YARD THAT'S MOST VISIBLE. RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE I FEEL IT'S MOST IN CONFLICT THOUGH. SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES AND BEHIND OUT BY THE POOL AND THE COURTYARD. YES. BACK THERE. UM, THIS ONE IS CHALLENGING FOR ME BECAUSE ALL OF THE TURF IS UPFRONT AND HIGH VISIBLE. UM, AND SO IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, UM, INCORPORATE TURF ELSEWHERE AND, AND KIND OF DILUTE THAT IMPACT, IT WOULD ON THE VISIBILITY SIDE, THAT WOULD HELP. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S WELL BELOW THE 50% THRESHOLD, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE BALANCE THOSE TWO, UM, CONSIDERATIONS. SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR, UH, DISCUSSION PURPOSES FOR THE COMMISSION. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT FOR NOW. SURE. AND I'LL TACK OFF OF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, UH, POINTS RIGHT NOW, UM, URGING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO RELOCATE THE TURF SOMEWHERE LESS VISIBLE. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM AND I'M GUESSING THE AREA NEAR STRUCTURE THREE, THAT STRIP BETWEEN THE POOL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SIDE STREET IS, UM, TO THE SIDE OF STRUCTURE THREE. BUT, UH, JUST RELOCATING SOME OF THAT TURF THAT WOULD BE ALONG SOUTH ALMA AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS GETS TO THE 50%, UH, THRESHOLD OF NATIVE LANDSCAPING. UM, AS THE, THE, THE GENTLE LADY THAT FIRST CAME UP AND GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS, UM, ASTROTURF ISN'T JUST A DUMP AND RUN, UH, KIND OF THING. IT'S, IT TOO REQUIRES MAINTENANCE. MAINTENANCE IN ITS OWN, UH, YOU GOTTA CLEAN IT OUT, YOU GOTTA DO ALL OF THE ABOVE. UM, SO I URGE YOU TO BRING THIS UP WITH WHOEVER YOU'RE UH, REPRESENTING. SO 50%, WHEN YOU SAY 50%, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE FRONT ONLY, CORRECT. WELL, AND THAT, THAT KIND OF MAYBE FOR, FOR YOU GUYS ON THE STAFF IS YES. SO IN THE LAST CASE, 50% WAS OF THE FRONT YARD, UH, IN THIS CASE, 50%. THE CALCULATION IS AGAINST ALL GREEN SPACES AND NOT, NOT JUST FRONT AND SIDE. NO, NO, THE GUIDELINE IS FOR FRONT YARDS. OKAY. THEY HAVE SHOWN CALCULATION FOR THE ENTIRE SPACE. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO CHANGE, LIKE WE'LL DO SOME FIELD VERIFICATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AREA IN THE FRONT IS. THE 50% GUIDELINE IS BASED ON FRONT YARD SPACE. SO NONE OF THIS IS REALLY SO, SO CHAIR, IT'S NOT EVEN NEAR 50%. NO. S SO CHAIR, I, I THINK THIS IS AN, A SIMILAR CASE. UM, MAYBE WE WOULD CONSIDER A CONTINUATION IN HAVING THEM WORK WITH STAFF AND, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT IS A VIOLATION CASE BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE FRONT IS NOT 50%. YEAH. IT'S, SO TO ME IT'S, IT'S EITHER A CONTINUATION OR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST, I WOULD THINK AT THIS POINT. SURE. LET ME GIVE A, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN WE HIT THAT PHOTO IN THE FRONT THAT SHOWED THE GRAVEL, AND LET'S PUT THAT BACK ON THE SCREEN. YOU KNOW, I SAID ON THE RECORD, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ENOUGH AND WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE. AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT MEETING WITH A DECISION THAT, UM, RECOMMENDS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY, UM, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGES. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO SEE THEM IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING LIKE EVEN THOUGH WORK HAS BEEN DONE, UH, WE'RE TREATING IT LIKE IT HASN'T. AND SO THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE ACTION IS TODAY. WE WOULDN'T BE APPROVING WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN. IT'S JUST THERE FOR REFERENCE. SO WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THEY COME TO THE 50% THRESHOLD OF, UH, INSTALLING NATIVE PLANTS, POSSIBLY RIPPING OUT ALL THE, ALL OF EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF THAT. NOT, NOT ALL REDUCING, RIGHT. REDUCING, [01:05:01] UH, TO GET TO THAT 50% THRESHOLD IN THE FRONT YARD. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY IN THE STAFF'S STIPULATIONS FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO, UM, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. UM, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UM, COMMISSIONER FULLERTON THE CHANCE. I'M, I'M SORRY I MISSED YOU ON THE LAST CASE, SO, UM, PLEASE CHIME IN IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, NO, NO WORRIES. MR. CHAIR. UM, I, I WOULD SAY I WOULD SECOND THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED SO FAR, UH, ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND, AND, AND ADDRESSING THE, THE RATIOS. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS IS AN, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL CASE THAT THAT SUGGESTS WE NEED TO BE, UM, EXAMINING OUR POLICIES HERE, UH, ON, IN LIGHT OF BOTH THE NEED FOR WATER CONSERVATION, THE CONCERNS ABOUT MICROPLASTICS AND, UM, HOW OTHER HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICTS ARE, ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IN SIMILARLY SITUATED PLACES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, ONE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS, UH, WOULDN'T YOU WANNA PUT THE, THE ASTROTURF, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED AROUND THE POOL INSTEAD OF IN THE FRONT, THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR PULL USERS? AND THAT'S AN OWNER QUESTION, RIGHT? ? YEAH. YEAH. WELL, IF YOU DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER TO YOUR OWNER. YES, I UNDERSTAND. YES, YES. EVERYTHING WE'RE RELAYING TO YOU, WE ASK THAT YOU RELAY THIS TO THE OWNER. ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND THEN I'D FINALLY LIKE TO ASK IF THE, THE YOUNG LADY THAT ADDRESSED US AT THE BEGINNING, UH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UM, YEAH, AND IF YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU DO, UM, I'M ACTUALLY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM GARDEN CLUB. OH. AND YOU WANNA LET GO AHEAD AND LET HER SPEAK AT THE PODIUM. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM GARDEN CLUB, AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF US WHO SPEAK INTO THE MIC. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF US WHO WANT THIS TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, AND THERE'S MASTER GARDENERS IN THE CLUB AND, UH, THEY'RE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, CHAT AND HELP MAKE THIS BETTER. . THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL, GREAT. WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT RESOURCE. SO YOU HAVE FREE HELP OR YES. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FREE OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU HAVE HELP RIGHT THERE IF I CAN. YES. OKAY. OKAY. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. REGARD? AYE. HERNANDEZ, MOVE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. P*****K. AYE. AND VASQUEZ. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON NEXT STEPS. ALRIGHT, WILL DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] UM, AS WE GET INTO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, JUST A NOTE THAT, UM, ITEM NUMBER 4 13 20 FULTON AVENUE HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. SO WE'LL DO ITEM THREE AND THEN FIVE. GENERAL ITEM NUMBER THREE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 1 24 2 14. REIO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FIVE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AT TWO 14 REIO WITH VINYL WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH D STAFFER RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. UH, THE APPLICANT IS MR. JAVIER CASTILLO. I BELIEVE HE'S HERE IN, IN PERSON. GOOD MORNING. SO THE HOMEOWNER HERE, I'M ED CASTILLO, THE HOMEOWNER, JOE GOMEZ IS HERE AS WELL. UM, WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN REPLACE FIVE WINDOWS IN THE HOME WITH EITHER VINYL OR METAL, WHATEVER Y'ALL ALLOW US, AS OPPOSED TO REPAIRING DUE TO COST. AND ALSO MR. GOMEZ WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE MORE UP TO DATE, ENERGY EFFICIENT. NOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING OF THE HOME, SO IF WE REPLACE, WE'LL INSTALL THE NEW WINDOWS. THE OUTSIDE WILL BE THE SAME. WE'LL, WE'LL PUT'EM WITH WOOD TRIM INSIDE AS WELL. WE WOULDN'T DO ANY TYPE OF, UH, SHEET ROCK OR ANYTHING. WE'D ALSO ENCASE THEM WITH WOOD TRIM. UM, AND I HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE THAT I COULDN'T UPLOAD [01:10:01] TO YOU. UM, JUST A COUPLE HOUSES SURROUNDING THE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY, THEY HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT WINDOWS. SO I'M HOPING THAT HELPS IN Y'ALL'S DECISION. THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL. I HAVE A LITTLE MAP AS WELL. LOOK. ALRIGHT. UH, SORRY FOR THE DELAY COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO, UM, MAYBE HELPFUL IF I WALK THROUGH, UM, THIS A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND THEN, UH, MR. CASTILLO, EITHER YOU OR THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN, UH, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMENT AFTER THIS, OF COURSE. UM, SO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE EXTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS RECOMMENDS THAT ORIGINAL WOOD FEATURES TO INCLUDE SIDING, WINDOWS, TRIM, DECORATIVE ELEMENTS BE REPAIRED WHEN THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE REPAIRED. UH, THEY'RE RECOMMENDED TO BE REPLACED IN KIND, SO BASED ON THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. AND THEN, UH, BASED ON, UH, A STAFF SITE VISIT, UH, GENERALLY WE FIND THESE WINDOWS TO BE IN A, A CONDITION WHERE THEY CAN BE REPAIRED. UM, WHEN STAFF RECEIVES AN APPLICATION, WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT AND CONSIDERING THE STRUCTURAL CONDITION OF THE EXISTING MATERIAL AND WHETHER OR NOT WE FIND THAT THAT TO BE IN A, A STATE OF REPAIR. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE WINDOW PANES MISSING HERE. OBVIOUSLY THESE NEED TO BE, UH, SANDED, PAINTED REGLAZED. UM, BUT WE DO FIND THEM TO BE IN A GENERAL STATE OF REPAIR. UM, THE, UH, GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS AS WELL AS THE POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS. UH, NOTE THAT IF A WINDOW IS BEYOND REPAIR, UM, THAT IT SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND. UH, SO TO BEGIN, UM, A VINYL WINDOW WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, FULLY OR HAS BEGUN, UH, TO THEMSELVES EXPLORE OR ACTUALLY BEGIN TO TRY TO REPAIR A WINDOW. UM, IF THE APPLICANT FINDS THAT THERE IS A WINDOW THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR, AND USUALLY WE LOOK AT IT AT A, AT A 50% RULE, UM, IF 50% OF A SASH IS MISSING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FABRICATE NEW MATERIAL TO MAKE A NEW SASH. UM, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WINDOW THAT'S NO LONGER, IT'S HALF NEW, HALF OLD. UM, SO ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS, IF THE APPLICANT DETERMINES THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REPAIR THE ORIGINAL SASHES, UH, IN THAT CASE, UH, WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE A REPLACEMENT PRODUCT. UM, THE DIFFICULT THING IN THIS SITUATION IS THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT WOULD NEED TO BE A TWO OVER TWO WOOD SASH. UH, WHICH I THINK GOES BACK TO THE, UH, APPLICANT'S YEAH. INITIAL, INITIAL REQUEST TO COME HERE, UH, DUE TO A COST CONSIDERATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT STAFF'S REVIEW, WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IT IS. UM, WE DO NOT CONSIDER, UM, WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES WHAT THE COST IMPACT IS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU ALL ARE HERE IN THIS PLACE TO CONSIDER THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD NOT CONSIDER. UM, BUT TO REMEMBER, UM, WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS. UM, AS STAFF, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE FIVE WINDOWS THAT ARE REQUESTED TO BE REPLACED ARE IN A STATE THAT DO NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE BELIEVE THEY CAN BE REPAIRED. HOWEVER, ONCE THE APPLICANT BEGINS TO START WORKING ON THOSE, UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, DISEASE ROD OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT APPARENTLY EVIDENT THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE APPLICANT FROM REPAIRING IN KIND A WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT TO MATCH THE PROFILE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, ONE LAST THING. THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE. UH, SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. THEY WERE REPLACED PRIOR TO THE INCORPORATION OF THE GUIDELINES, OR IN SOME CASES THERE'S LIKE AN ADDITION THAT HAS A VINYL WINDOW. GENERALLY, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REPLACE A WINDOW IN KIND, UH, THE GUIDELINES WOULD SUPPORT THAT. EVEN IF HE HAS A VINYL WINDOW AND WANTS TO REPLACE VINYL WITH VINYL, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WELCOME A, AN UPGRADE FROM THAT, UH, OR AT LEAST A CHANGE IN COLOR. UM, BUT THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ELEMENT, UM, AND ISN'T FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY, SO. OKAY. AND THAT'S ONLY FOR IF THERE WERE AN EXISTING VINYL WINDOW? CORRECT. GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. IS REPLACING WITH THE EXACT SAME OR UPGRADING TO CORRECT. GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. IS EVERYTHING IN KIND. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU EDWARD, FOR THE SLOW WALK. THAT HELPS. YEAH. [01:15:01] 'CAUSE AS FAR AS LIKE, NO, JUST AS FAR AS LIKE IN THE INTERIOR PULLS AND THE WEIGHTS, LIKE, UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE COMPROMISED. I MEAN, I KNOW THEY LOOKED AT IT TO THE OUTSIDE. UM, BUT I MEAN, WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO KIND OF, I GUESS IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO REPLACE 'CAUSE IT'S WAY MORE CAS FOR US. YEAH. THE COST OF IT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF IS ABLE TO HELP. NO, NO. SO, UM, THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE COST WOULD, THAT'S, THAT'S YOU ALL HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF THE APPLICANT CAME TO US AND SAID, I HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE COMPLETELY ROTTEN, ONE OF THEM'S MISSING, THEN YES, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, AND WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS EVERY WEEK ON FINDING WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE AND, AND MATERIAL OF WHAT'S ORIGINAL OR WHAT'S EXISTING. UH, BUT THE COST ANALYSIS, THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION COST ANALYSIS WHEN CONSIDERING WINDOW REPLACEMENT. I WAS ASKING MORE, UH, ABOUT HELPING THEM IDENTIFY LOCATIONS WHERE THEY COULD FIND PULLEYS, WHATEVER YOU'RE YEAH, YOU'RE NEEDING CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY. UM, WE HAVE, UH, THERE ARE RESOURCES WE CAN DIRECT YOU TO, UM, AS WELL AS IN THE EVENT THAT IF A WOOD WINDOW WAS BEYOND REPAIR, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH PRODUCT BROCHURES TO WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND YOU MORE THAN ONE MANUFACTURER THAT YOU COULD REFER TO TO FIND A, A COMPARABLE PRODUCT. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER OPTION, AND, AND I'M JUST PUTTING THIS OUT HERE, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IS, UM, IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD INDIVIDUALS, UM, THAT HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S FIVE WINDOWS TO OR ON THE FRONT FAC SIDE TWO ARE ON THE SIDES AND ONE'S IN THE REAR. UM, AND MAYBE ONE WINDOW IS BAD, THE OTHER ONES CAN BE REPAIRED. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM TO, UH, REPAIR AND RELOCATE WINDOWS THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO, TO FAC SIDES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN THERE MAY BE A SOLUTION FOR ONE THAT'S NOT VISIBLE. YEAH. ARE ANY OF THOSE, UH, VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE, UH, STUCK IN THERE? UH, NO. I'M THE FRONT FACADE. NO, THE, OKAY. THOSE ARE, ARE IN REAR FACADES, REAR ADDITIONS. UM, THE, UM, SORRY. OH, I, YOU'RE GOOD. I REALIZE THAT I'M NOT SHARING MY SCREEN. I'M SHARING THE, SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, OKAY, THERE WE GO. UM, HERE'S A, A FLOOR PLAN, UH, THAT IDENTIFIES. SO, UH, WINDOWS 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN ARE THE ONES THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE. UH, THE ONES WITH XS ON 'EM ARE LOCATIONS OF VINYL WINDOWS OR NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD TO YOUR PRESENTATION? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, SIR. AM I RIGHT MR. HERNANDEZ? NO. WHAT IS, ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION THEN. UM, UH, THERE'S ONE COMMISSIONER GONE. IS THAT, OH, WHAT? WELL, I CAN STILL TAKE COMMISSIONER, UH, I, UH, I MOVE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE, UH, THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, UH, AS LISTED AS WRITTEN. I SECOND. GREAT. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. FLORES? AYE. BRI REGARD? AYE. HERNANDEZ AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. AND VASQUEZ. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, MR. CASTILLO, MR. GOMEZ, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS, UM, TO THE REQUEST TO REPLACE WITH VINYL HAS BEEN DENIED, UM, BUT TO PROCEED WITH EXPLORING REPAIR, UM, IF YOU NEED SOURCES FOR WINDOW REPAIR OR PULLEYS OR WEIGHTS, UM, I CAN PROVIDE THAT WHEN I FOLLOW UP IN AN EMAIL WITH YOU. SURE. OKAY, APPRECIATE THAT. UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, AS YOU BEGIN REPAIR, IF YOU RUN INTO SASHES THAT ARE TRULY BEYOND REPAIR, UM, WE CAN COME BACK ON SITE AND LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AND, AND TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, BUT THAT ALSO WORKS FOR YOU. OKAY. SO THEN WE COULD REQUEST LIKE A SITE VISIT? YES, SIR. OKAY, AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THAT WOULD HELP JUST CONTINUE WORKING WITH OHP AND, UH, THEY'LL GUIDE YOU THROUGH. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS SIR. SIR, NEXT CASE UP NEXT IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 1 26 3 43 WEST HOLLYWOOD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING BARREL CLAY TILE ROOF OF BOTH THE PRIMARY AND REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH A STEEL TILE ROOF RESEMBLING CLAY BARREL TILES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF MATERIAL OF THE PRIMARY AND [01:20:01] REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS TEMPORARY REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING DECKING AND UNDERLAYMENT FOR REPLACEMENT UPON REPLACEMENT OF DECKING AND UNDERLAYMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REINSTALL THE EXISTING CLAY TILE BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE IN PERSON. UM, AND I DO WANNA NOTE, I'LL LET THE PROPERTY OWNERS CLARIFY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE, UH, THEY ARE NOW IN A POSITION TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO REPAIR IN KIND AND SPOT REPAIR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE'S ROOF. UH, SO I BELIEVE THE ONLY, UH, ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION OR THE ONLY ITEM, UH, THAT THEY ARE NOT AGREEING WITH CURRENTLY IS THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE'S ROOF. BUT I'LL LET THE PROPERTY OWNERS CLARIFY AND, AND CONFIRM THAT. HELLO. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. OH, THANK YOU. WELCOME. JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SURE. I'M ERIC MAGANA AND THIS IS MY WIFE, DR. ERICA HUEY. HI, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF, UH, 3 4 3 WEST HOLLYWOOD AVENUE. OOPS. BEAUTIFUL HOME. OH, THANK YOU. THANK GOD WE THOUGHT SO TOO. . . YEAH. YEAH, DON'T TAKE THE ALL OFF . SO BASICALLY OUR PROBLEM IS OUR ROOF IS LEAKING DUE TO DISINTEGRATION OF THE UNDERLAYMENT, WHICH IS THE MATERIAL THAT IS RIGHT UNDER THE CLEAR TILE AND IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. AND WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THAT. THAT WOULD REQUIRE, OH, SORRY. NO, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE TAKING OFF THE CLAY TILE AND ACCOUNTING FOR ABOUT 25% BROKEN TILE WHEN THE WORKERS HAVE TO MOVE THIS AROUND. AND SO, UM, AS I'VE HEARD, WE'VE ALL, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO REPLACE THE GUTTERS AND, UM, IMPROVE THE DRIP LINE RIGHT NOW, THE DRIP LINE DUE TO PAST REPAIRS. UM, WHEN IT RAINS, IT JUST, THE RAIN JUST DRIPS DIRECTLY ONTO THE STUCCO, WHICH LEADS TO REALLY EARLY BREAKDOWN. I SHOULD GO AHEAD. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THE, SO THERE ARE TWO, UH, SEPARATE DWELLINGS. THE MAIN HOUSE WHICH YOU SEE THERE, IT HAS CLAY TILE, AND WE DO SEEK TO REPLACE THAT WITH CLAY TILE IN KIND THE UPPER PART OF THE HOUSE. UH, WHICH YOU SEE THERE, THAT CLAY TILE IS ACTUALLY NO LONGER AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT BEING MANUFACTURED, UH, AS PER THE ASSESSMENT OF A COUPLE ROOFERS WHO WE'VE HAD COME OUT. SO WE CAN'T FIND THIS TILE ANYMORE. THE LOWER PART OF THE MAIN HOUSE, UH, WHICH, UH, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE PHOTOS, HOPEFULLY WE DO, BUT THERE'S LIKE A LOWER PORTION OF THE MAIN HOUSE THAT HAS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT, UH, TILE, STILL A CLAY TILE THAT WE CAN SOURCE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO REPLACE, UH, THE REST OF THE HOUSE WITH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THAT WILL WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE. UH, REALLY WHAT OUR, SORRY, IS THAT THE LOWER PORTION? UH, ACTUALLY IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S THE PART BY THE, UH, I GUESS OVER THE KITCHEN. OVER THE KITCHEN. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO YEAH. FACING THE BACKYARD. UH, DO YOU SEE, YEAH, YOU SEE THAT LOWER, UH, RIGHT PORTION, UH, OF THE, OF THE PHOTO FROM BACK? YES. SO YOU COULD, OH, NO, THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT TILE, THAT CLAY TILE IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE UPPER PORTION OF THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SOURCE SO WE CAN FIND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE FOR THE REST OF THE MAIN HOUSE. SO ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THE SEPARATE DWELLING, WHICH IS THE CASITA IN THE BACKYARD. SO THAT WE'VE BEEN ADVISED IS ACTUALLY COVERED WITH CONCRETE NOT CLAY TILE. AND WE CAN ALSO NO LONGER FIND THAT THE ROOFERS WHO WE'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, PRESIDIO ROOFING AS WELL AS I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THE NAMES MATTER , NOT REALLY. UH, YEAH, THEY'VE ADVISED US THAT, UH, FOR THAT BACK DWELLING IN THE BACKYARD AGAIN, THAT WE CAN NO LONGER FIND, UH, THAT, THAT CEMENT TILE ANYMORE. AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CEMENT TILE IS SOMETHING THAT, OR CONCRETE TILE, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T, UH, A MATERIAL HISTORICALLY USED FOR ROOFS IN MONTE VISTA ANYWAY, UH, IN THE PAST. SO FOR THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEKING TO REPLACE THAT, UH, CONCRETE TILE AGAIN, NO LONGER AVAILABLE WITH THE, UM, UH, TILL CORE, UH, WHICH, WHICH YOU HAVE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CLAY COATED STEEL ROOF. THE REASON THAT WE'RE HOPING TO USE THE TILL CORE IS BECAUSE, UM, IT IS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT THAN REPLACING THE, THE ROOF WITH, UH, A, A CLAY TILE. UM, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT WE COULD USE THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE CASITA DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY INSULATION. SO WE'RE HOPING JUST FOR MORE, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND TO BOUNCE THE HEAT OFF ESSENTIALLY FROM THE CASITA. UM, AND WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, HOPEFULLY REASONABLE TO USE THE, THE, UM, TILL CORE BECAUSE [01:25:01] EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME AS THE CLAY TILE ON THE MAIN ROOF, THE, UH, THAT STRUCTURE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE SAME TILE TO BEGIN WITH. UM, SO WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A SIMILAR, UH, APPEARANCE OVERALL, A COMPLIMENTARY APPEARANCE, UM, TO FIT THE AESTHETIC OF, OF THE HOME. AND, UH, WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE THE CASITA IS, IT HAS LOW VISIBILITY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL ITSELF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A, A REASONABLE SOLUTION. SO REALLY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ABOUT THE GUTTERS OR, OH, YES. RIGHT NOW THE GUTTERS ARE FALLING OFF THE HOUSE. IT'S ESPECIALLY NOTICEABLE ON THE CASITA. WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THOSE GUTTERS WITHIN KIND, BUT WE JUST ADDED LEAF GUARD TO KEEP MATERIAL FROM GETTING IN THERE. I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, IT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED TODAY. OKAY. UM, WE'D ALSO BE REPLACING THE WOOD, NOT REPLACING, BUT REALLY REPAIRING WHEN, WHEN WE CAN THE WOOD FACIA IN KIND, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO KIND OF COMPLETELY ROTTEN. THAT'S, UH, ALSO ADMINISTRATIVE. YEAH, YOU'RE DONE WITH THAT. THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO JUST GIVE YOU THE THUMBS UP ON. UM, I DO NEED A LITTLE HELP IDENTIFYING ON YEAH. UM, WHERE THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS. YEAH. SO LET'S, UM, AND WHERE IT IS IN RELATION TO THE, UM, THE VIEW FROM THE FRONT STREET? YEAH. SO, UM, HERE IS THE, THE, THE PROPERTY. UM, THIS IS THE CORNER OF SAN PEDRO AND WEST HOLLYWOOD. UH, AND SO THERE IS A REAR ALLEY THAT RUNS, UH, EAST TO WEST TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG APPLICANT'S, BUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS ADJACENT TO THE REAR ALLEY. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK, UM, JUST FOR STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, UM, IF I, I MISSED A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO THE ORIGINAL TILE THAT IS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE PRIMARY ROOF, UM, IS DAMAGED. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU AREN'T ABLE TO FIND IN KIND MATCHING TILE TO REPAIR THE 25% THAT IS DAMAGED, CORRECT? UM, THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO THE, UH, KITCHEN ROOF OR THE SHORTER ROOF THAT WE SEE OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A, UH, CONCRETE TILE. UM, THAT, OR, OR A CLAY TILE, EITHER IT'S A NEWER CLAY TILE, NEWER CLAY TILE. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS INSTALLED? UH, YES. THAT WAS IN 2021. 2021. UM, AND THIS IS AN ADDITION HERE TO THE RIGHT. WAS THAT BUILT IN 2021 AS WELL OR WAS THAT, DID THE 2021 CLAY TILE RE CLAY TILE AT THAT LOCATION? UM, THAT WAS A FIRE. I, UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WERE, UH, THAT, THAT IS A NEW ADDITION AND THERE WERE SHINGLES, UH, ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHERE THERE'S AGAIN, THE LOWER PART OF THE, OF THE ROOF. SO THE OLD HOMEOWNERS, WHEN THERE WAS A, A EXTENSIVE FIRE DAMAGE IN 2021, THEY UH, I BELIEVE ADDED THIS LITTLE UNIT HERE. AND THEN THEY, UH, REPLACED THE SHINGLES THAT WERE ON THE BACK OF THE, OF THE HOUSE IN THE LOWER PORTION, UH, WITH, WITH THAT, UH, CLAY TILE THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. GOTCHA. AND THAT'S WHAT WE JUST HOPE TO EXTEND TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UN UNDERSTOOD. YES. SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS THE PROFILE OF THE, UH, CLAY TILE THAT'S ON THE, UH, ADDITIONS ROOF, UM, IT DOES FEATURE A, A PROFILE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TILE THAT'S ON THE PRIMARY ROOF. UH, BUT IT'S GENERALLY IN KIND MATERIAL. UM, IT'S NOT DISSIMILAR FROM CLAY TILE THAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, AND, AND GENERALLY FROM, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING NOW AND SEEING THIS, UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD GENERALLY, UH, WOULD GENERALLY, UH, GENERALLY, UH, SUPPORT, UM, OBVIOUSLY TO THE APPLICANT. UM, WHEN YOU OR YOUR ROOFERS REMOVE THE ORIGINAL TILE ROOF, UM, THEY SHOULD ATTEMPT TO SALVAGE AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. UM, I NOT NECESSARILY FOR USE ON SITES AND YOU'LL BE INSTALLING A NEW ROOF, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SIMILAR PRODUCTS. UM, AND THEN FOR THE, UH, THE, THE ROOF ON THE REAR, UM, CASITA, UM, I, SPEAKING FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, GENERALLY THINK THAT, UM, IF THAT ROOF IS NOT ABLE TO BE REPAIRED, UM, IF YOU HAVE OR HAVEN'T HAD THE SAME GENERAL DETAILED BOOK IN AN APPROXIMATION THAT YOU'VE HAD FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF 25 OR 35 OR 45%, UM, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. BUT IF NOT, UM, THE REPLACEMENT WITH THE TILE THAT'S GENERALLY COMPARABLE TO THE, THE TILE ON THE SHORTER PORTION THAT YOU WOULD INSTALL [01:30:01] ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD SUPPORT. SO COMMISSIONERS, UM, WE CAN OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS, UM, OR COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS, WHATEVER FROM, FROM YOU ALL TO THE APPLICANT. AND I'LL START THE THOMAS AND I'M JUST GONNA DO ONE MORE QUICK GO. GO AHEAD COREY. I IN AN ATTEMPT TO SIMPLIFY THIS REQUEST, GO AHEAD. YOU WANT TO REPAIR THIS ROOF WITH THE TILES FROM THE ACCESSORY AND THEN REPLACE THE ACCESSORY ROOF WITH THAT METAL ROOF. UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE SMALL HOUSE . SORRY, WHEN YOU SAY ACCESSORY ROOF, UH, DOES THAT REFER THE GARAGE? NO, THE CASITA IN THE BAG. OH. UH, YES. SO YOU WANNA TAKE THE MATERIAL OFF OF THAT ROOF, FIX THE ROOF ON THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THEN REPLACE THE LITTLE BUILDING ROOF WITH THIS METAL ROOF AND WE CAN'T DO THAT? NO. WELL, I, I THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, PHOTO EDWARD WITH THE, SO THE UH, THE ROOF TILE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT, UM, THE ADD-ON THAT IS AVAILABLE. I THINK THEY WANNA REDO THEIR MAIN HOUSE ROOF TILE WITH THAT TILE TO, TO MATCH THE ACCESSORY OR THE, UH, APPENDAGE THERE, THE ADD-ON. AND THEN THE CASITA ROOF IN THE BACK WILL BE THIS METAL UNDERST. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU MY SAYING THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT SUCCINCTLY. SURE. NO, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, WE, WE SEE A LOT OF BARREL TILE PIECES, SO, OKAY. THAT, THAT HELPS CLARIFY GREATLY. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. COMMISSIONER ? YES. I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE LEFT PLEASE. HI THERE. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS. UM, BECAUSE I'M STILL TRYING TO CLARIFY THE, THE THREE BUILDINGS, I THINK THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? A MAIN BUILDING, A SMALLER BUILDING, AND THEN THE THIRD BUILDING, CORRECT? UH, KIND OF, THERE'S, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS, IT'S JUST THAT ADD-ON TO THE MAIN, UH, HOUSE. OKAY. IT JUST HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF A ROOF. OKAY. DIFFERENT. SO A MAIN BUILDING AND ADD-ON AND A SECOND BUILDING. OKAY. SO THE SECOND BUILDING, , YOU WANT THAT TO BE WITH THE STEEL, THE, THIS, THIS BOX THAT YOU GAVE, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN, UM, THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, DID YOU CONSULT, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION CASE, THIS IS A, A BEGINNING CASE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. DID YOU CONSULT, UH, THE MONTE VISTA, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ASK THEM? 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US DEALING WITH CLAY TILE AND NOT CLAY TILE. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR CASES. UM, JUST ABOUT, SO HAVE YOU CONSULTED WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE ROOFING MATERIALS? UM, WE HAVE NOT. WE'RE WE'RE NEW HOMEOWNERS. WE'RE TOTALLY NEW TO THIS PROCESS, . SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, JUST QUICKLY, UM, YOU HAD GONE INTO SOME DETAIL ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHY YOU WANTED USE THE STEEL COATED, THE STONE COATED STEEL AND THE CLAY TILE. AND YOU WERE JUST SAYING WHICH WERE, IT WAS OUT OF EFFICIENCY OR CAN YOU RESTATE THAT? YES, JUST FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, THE CASITA, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANT TO USE THE, UM, COATED STEEL, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UM, INSULATION. SO WE WERE HOPING FOR, UH, FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD, UH, USE THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? AND THEN ARE YOU OPEN TO, TO KIND OF CHECKING IN WITH THE MON WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO SEE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE? OH, OH YES. YES. WE WOULD BE. THAT IT. THANK YOU CHRIS, ONLINE BEFORE I, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, N NOTHING IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS SO FAR. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SURE. AND COLLEAGUES HERE ON MY RIGHT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY THAT MAY ASSIST THEM OR GIVE 'EM INFORMATION ABOUT, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO STAFF TO ANSWER LIKE, MEAN, LIKE CHECKING IN KIND OF WELL, YEAH. INFORMATION THAT THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW YEAH. USE TO, TO FIND EITHER THE, THE MATERIAL OR OR WHERE OR HOW OR, YEAH. SO, UM, AS PART OF OUR, UH, CASE MANAGEMENT AND AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, WE DO RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT, UM, AN IDEAL PRODUCT OR, OR AN IDEAL TREATMENT OR AN IDEAL PROCESS THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. UM, IT'S A A BIT DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO, UH, NECESSARILY FIND A SPECIFIC PRODUCT, UM, TO RECOMMEND. UM, JUST BASICALLY LIKE RECOMMENDING A SPECIFIC BRAND. [01:35:01] UM, THE TILE THAT'S ON THE ROOF NOW AS, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, ISN'T MANUFACTURED ANYMORE. AND SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT CHANGING PROFILE. UM, AND SO WE CAN RECOMMEND, UM, YES, YES OR NO ON, UH, SMALL SUBTLE DIFFERENCES. UM, BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT TO HIRE A SPECIFIC CONTRACTOR OR TO CONTRACT WITH A, A CERTAIN COMPANY. UH, WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION OR ONCE THEY'VE, UH, CONTACTED A COMPANY, WE COULD GIVE FEEDBACK TO THEM AND THAT COMPANY ON, UH, WHETHER OR NOT A PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. BUT WE DO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM RECOMMENDING CERTAIN PRODUCTS OR CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES OR CONTRACTORS. NO, WELL, I I I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT GUIDANCE, UH, NOT RECOMMENDING PRODUCT, BUT JUST GUIDANCE AND, AND WELL, AND INFORMATION. YES. HE'S TRYING TO GET OUT. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF YOU ALL VOTED TO ALLOW A CLAY TILE THAT IS SIMILAR OR MATCHING TO THE KITCHEN EDITION, RIGHT? THAT'S KINDA WHAT'S ON THE TABLE. THEY, THE APPLICANT WOULD SHOW US THE PRODUCT THEY SELECT AND WE WOULD VERIFY THAT BEFORE IT'S INSTALLED. THAT'S THE GUIDANCE THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE AS PART OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED COA. GO AHEAD. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. DID YOU CONSIDER USING THE SAME MATERIALS OVER THE KITCHEN ALSO ON THE CASITA INSTEAD OF THIS? OR IS THERE A COST DIFFERENTIAL OR WHAT, WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO USE THIS PRODUCT VERSUS MORE OF THE, THE SAME TILE YOU HAVE OVER THE KITCHEN AREA? UH, PURELY EFFICIENCY REASONS AND EASE OF MAINTENANCE AND, UH, I'LL JUST SHARE FOR MY COLLEAGUES. UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS HOUSE AND THE SIGHTLINES AND THE VISIBILITY IS PRETTY LOW FROM, UM, FROM HOLLYWOOD. YOU'RE USUALLY REALLY ONLY SEE IT FOR A SPLIT SECOND WHEN YOU'RE GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN SAN PEDRO . UH, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THAT ACCESSES THIS OFF OF SAN PEDRO, WHICH IS REALLY SCARY TO, UH, I IMAGINE TO PARK IN. BUT SO THE VISIBILITY FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS, IS PRETTY LOW. UM, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY ON THE, UM, ON THE, UH, IN THE ALLEY. AND SO, UH, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF VISIBILITY FROM SAN PEDRO EVEN 'CAUSE KNOW SPEED LIMITS DON'T WARRANT YOU ADMIRING THE SIDE, SO MM-HMM . GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA BE EXTREMELY CLEAR AND UM, MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS WHAT I'M COMPREHENDING CORRECTLY. OKAY. WHAT YOU HAVE ON THAT ONE STORY ADDITION, THE TILE ROOF THERE, THAT IS WHAT YOU WANNA PUT ON THE ROOF OF THE MAIN HOUSE, CORRECT? YES. BUT ON THE CASITA, YOU WANNA PUT THE METAL SLASH WHATEVER IT IS YES, YES. KIND OF ROOF. HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF SALVAGING SOME OF THE, THE TILE THAT'S ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND REUSING IT OVER THE, THE CASITA INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS BOUND TO BE STILL GOOD S SO WE DID ACCOUNT FOR THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY MAIN ISSUE WITH OUR, WITH OUR MAIN HOUSE IS THAT, UM, THE UNDERLAYMENT UNDERNEATH THE TILE IS BROKEN DOWN AND WHEN THE WORKERS START TO REPLACE THAT, THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR BREAKING 25% OF THE TILE. SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA BUY ABOUT 25% OF THE TILE NEEDED FOR THE WORK. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY LEFTOVER TILE. YEAH. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. JUST TO CLEAR, SO YOU'RE NOT REPLACING ALL THE MAIN HOUSE ROOF? UH, NO SIR. SORRY, I KNOW WE DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT THAT CLEARLY. YEAH, I'M, WELL, SO PART OF, PART OF THAT ROOF WAS, UH, ALREADY REPLACED IN 2021, WHICH IS WHERE YOU SEE THE LITTLE ADDITION UHHUH. UH, YEAH. SO, UH, THAT OUR GOAL IS JUST TO, TO KEEP THAT TILE BECAUSE IT'S GOOD. YEAH. UH, BUT THE REST OF THE ROOF THAT NEEDS REPLACING FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, UH, REPLACE WITH THE, WITH THAT SAME TILE. WITH THE SAME TILE ON THE LITTLE LOWER. ON THE LOWER PART WHEN NEEDED YEAH. PORTION. BUT ISN'T IT TWO DIFFERENT PROFILES, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S ON THE, THE ADDITION? WHAT DO YOU MEAN PROFILES? YOU MEAN DIFFERENT, UH, ESSENTIALLY DIFFERENT SHAPES. YEAH. YEAH. DIFFERENT LOOK, YEAH, DIFFERENT LOOK. UH, SO LIKE, SO I THINK THE QUE THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROFILES ON THE SAME MAIN HOUSE ROOF LINE? WELL, WE'VE [01:40:01] BEEN ADVISED THAT, UH, THE, HOPEFULLY I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, BUT THE, UH, THE ROOFERS CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT TILE THAT'S ON THE LOWER PART OF THE ROOF AND JUST PUT IT ON THE REST OF IT. SO IT'D ALL BE THE SAME. SO IT'D BE THE SAME PROFILE. SO I IF THAT, I'M JUST GONNA TAKE A SHOT AT TRYING TO CLARIFY. I THINK THE GENERAL UNDERSTANDING WAS THE PRI THE, THE MAIN ROOF WITH WAS GONNA BE TOTALLY REPLACED WITH THE ADDITION TILE. AND SO YOU WERE GONNA TAKE OFF ALL THE TILE THAT'S ON THE MAIN PART OF THE ROOF AND REPLACE IT WITH WHAT'S ON THE ADDITION. OKAY. YES. GREAT. YES. AND SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT TILE THAT CAME OFF YOUR PRIMARY ROOF, THE ONE THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE. COULD THAT THEN BE REUSED TO DO THE CA FOR THE CASITA 20%? YEAH, THERE, WE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF BROKEN TILE THERE AND WE'VE BEEN ADVISED THAT IN THE REPLACING OF THE ROOF MORE TILE WOULD BREAK, UH, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT TO COVER THE CASITA. SO, UH, CHAIR MAY I ASK? SO YEAH, SO THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION. THIS IS JUST MORE A THOUGHT PROCESS AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT, THIS THOUGHT EXERCISE, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAD MONTE VISTA'S COMMENTS AND, AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS PROCESS, UM, BECAUSE THEY NORMALLY ARE VERY ACTIVE IN, IN, IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS. AND SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS BECAUSE THAT IS MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION. UM, SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. UM, BECAUSE THEY NORMALLY ARE VERY, VERY VOCAL ON THESE, ON THESE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH THE ROOF AND WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING IN TERMS OF WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET LINE, WHAT IS NOT. SO I, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE, HAVE HEARD THIS AND THAT'S NOT A CRITIQUE OF YOU ALL. THAT'S JUST A, A THOUGHT OUT THERE. YEAH. AND, AND WE TOTALLY ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOU PROACTIVELY COMING INSTEAD OF AS A VIOLATION VERSUS AS YOU SAW WITH ALL THE OTHERS. UH, AND WE'VE HAD FOLKS, UH, WHO HAVE WANTED TO PUT THAT SAME TILE IN. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU WITH PREVENTING THAT. YEAH. UM, AND I THINK WHAT MY COLLEAGUE IS SAYING IS WORKING WITH THREE ASSOCIATION MAY HELP PREVENT YOU FROM GOING THROUGH THOSE TROUBLES. YEAH. I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO MAYBE IT WASN'T JUST A THOUGHT EXERCISE. I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WITH THE CASITA, I WOULD HATE FOR THERE TO BE THEN A, A, A REQUEST FOR A STOP ORDER AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A, A POTENTIAL VIOLATION. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU WOULD, BUT I, FOR ME, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE THESE PLANS TO THE HISTORIC SOCIETY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH THE MAIN HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE KITCHEN ADD-ON, WHICH I, I THINK IS NOTHING. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CASITA. CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I I WOULD FEEL BETTER SO THAT THERE'S NOT A VIOLATION SITUATION AND THEN ONCE YOU TWO MEET UP ABOUT IT, THEY COULD PROBABLY, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT WOULD COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY? WELL, I, I, I WANNA SAY I DON'T, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVED SOMETHING HERE TODAY AND THE APPLICANTS FOLLOWED THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A VIOL, LIKE WE WOULDN'T ISSUE A CITATION, UH, BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT. UM, THE DECISION THAT YOU ALL WOULD MAKE WOULD BE WHAT WOULD STAND, UM, I I WILL, I I ALSO, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE HELPFUL, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HERE EARLIER AND DIDN'T COMMENT ON THIS. YEAH. UH, SO I THINK THEY GENERALLY AGREE WITH, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S TRUE. TO, TO BE CLEAR, CLEAR THOUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT IS BEING ASKED TODAY THOUGH, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. UM, BUT UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, UH, CHANGE PACE ON, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR REQUEST BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, WHICH IN THAT CASE WE'RE SAYING THAT IF THEY WERE TO INSTALL THE CLAY TILE ROOF THAT IS ON THE KITCHEN ADDITION ONTO THE MAIN ROOF AND THE REAR STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES IF THEY WERE TO PUT IT ON THE ONE THAT'S ON THE ROOFING, THAT'S ON THE ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOUSE. ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN ALSO ON THE, YES, BASICALLY THE, THE ROOF THAT YOU SEE HERE WITH THE BLUE BOX AROUND IT, IF THAT WERE EVERYWHERE, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT, BECAUSE IT, IT'S CONSISTENT IN, IN PROFILE MATERIAL AND COLOR WITH, WITH THE ORIGINAL. AND MY QUESTION THEN IS IF THIS COULD EVEN BE A STEP PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'M SURE YOU [01:45:01] WANNA REPAIR YOUR ROOF, UM, AND, AND IF IT'S LEAKING, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS. BUT IT SEEMS FUNCTIONALLY LIKE YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN YOUR CASITA LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE KIND OF SEVERAL LEVELS. I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, MAYBE THAT MEANS THAT ON SOME PORTIONS OF THE CASITA YOU COULD REUSE THAT TILE AND NOT HAVE TO BUY ANY NEW TILE, BUT YOU, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL ON HOW MUCH TILE'S GONNA BE LEFT OVER. RIGHT? YOU'RE THINKING 25 PERCENT'S DAMAGED, 25% IS, IS GONNA BE DAMAGED IN THE PROCESS. IT STILL LEAVES YOU 50. UM, BUT AT LEAST IT, IT GETS YOU MOVING. I THINK LIKE THE, THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION WAS NO TO THAT TILE. AND IT HAS COME UP A LOT THAT, THAT IT'S NOT, UH, AN AGREEABLE TILE. UM, AND SO IF YOU IN THE MEANTIME ARE TALKING WITH MONTEVISTA, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME TO THAT AGREEMENT EVEN BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO, TO HAVING TO SPEAK WITH US. MY CONCERN IS IF THEY DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE INCONSISTENT NOT MATCHING TILE ON THE CASITA. IF THEY SAVE 25% OF IT, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 75%? THEN YOU DON'T HAVE INCONSISTENT, THEN YOU HAVE INCONSISTENT TILE ACROSS THE CASITA THAT I, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT, BUT THERE'S INCONSISTENT TILE ACROSS THE ENTIRE HOUSE STRUCTURE EVEN AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN YOU KNOW, THE CASITA'S COVERED. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UH, I, THAT TOP THE OUTLINE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CASITA, THERE ARE ALMOST TWO LEVELS. AND SO IT MIGHT NOT BE INCONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE INCONSISTENT ACROSS THE TWO LEVELS LIKE IT IS WITH THE PRIMARY HOUSE AND THE ADDITION, BUT IT, THERE MIGHT STILL BE ENOUGH TO DO ONE LEVEL, UH, AND NOT HAVE TO BUY ANY TILE. AND, AND I WOULDN'T, I WOULD, I DO WANNA COMMENT PERHAPS TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH. ASSOCIATION AND I, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER HERE, BUT PERHAPS THEY DIDN'T HAVE A COMMENT BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE IT SAYS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD COMMENT BECAUSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS NO. UM, SO MAYBE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO KIND OF SEPARATE ASKS. THE FIRST ASK IS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN THE SECOND ASK IS FOR THE CASITA AND MAYBE WE DIVORCE THE TWO. IT'S JUST A THOUGHT BECAUSE THE, THE MAIN HOUSE IS GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH TRADITIONAL CLAY TILE AND THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH MONTE VISTA'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SO PERHAPS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. CERTAINLY. AND THE, THE MOTION COULD BE YOU COULD, THERE MOTION COULD BE CRAFTED THAT TOOK ACTION ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE'S ROOF AND THEN EITHER THERE WAS A MOTION TO COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A PERCENTAGE THAT COULD BE SALVAGED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE'S ROOF TO THE, TO THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE'S ROOF. OR THERE COULD BE MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND RECEIVE KIND OF A FEEDBACK OR RECOMMENDATION AND THE FORM OF, UH, CERTAINLY INU CERTAINLY. SO THE MOTION COULD BE SEPARATED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN TO HAVE FOLLOW UP ON THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE. UM, AND AT THAT POINT THE APPLICANT COULD RETURN TO STAFF AND SAY WE HAVE ENOUGH TILE FROM THE MAIN HOUSE TO REPAIR THE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE. OR WE WANT TO REPLACE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TILE WITH THE TILE FROM THE KITCHEN. THAT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE OR WE WANT COME BACK TO THE CTAP, UH, AND PRESENT THE ORIGINAL REQUESTS WITH FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT COULD ALSO BE AN OPTION. SO THERE, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF OPTIONS. SO, UH, UM, I'M GUESSING THE, I'M SORRY, THE BEST MAY BE A CONTINUANCE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONSULT WITH. I, I THINK THAT SINCE THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THE PROPOSED KITCHEN TILE GOING ON TOP OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE'S ROOF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN ON THAT TO APPROVE THAT NOW. UM, THAT WILL THEN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PUT IN MOTION THE POTENTIAL TO SEE HOW MUCH TILE CAN BE SALVAGED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO POTENTIALLY BE USED IN THE I I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL FIND A SOLUTION UNLESS THEY CAN DETERMINE WHAT THEY CAN SALVAGE AND WHAT COULD BE USED ON THE REAR STRUCTURE THAT'LL THEN DIRECT THEM TO EITHER GO WITH THE NEW CLAY TILE OR COME BACK WITH THE METAL OPTION OR TO, TO REPAIRING KIND. ARE Y'ALL GETTING THAT? JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. UH, THE TILE ON THE CASITA BEARS NO RESEMBLANCE TO THAT ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE. UM, THE TILE IN THE CASITA IS ACTUALLY A CEMENT TILE, NOT A CLAY TILE. ISN'T THAT ONE CEMENT? YES. WHAT'S WHAT WE SEE THIS CEMENT THIS CEMENT RIGHT OVER HERE. YEAH. SO IF WE SALVAGED SOME OF THE TILE FROM THE MAIN HOUSE UHHUH AND PUT IT ON THE CASITA, WE'D HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF TILE ON THE CASITA OF TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS. OH GEEZ. [01:50:02] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THIS TO A WRAP. UM, OKAY. I'M GONNA ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO, I I CAN MAKE A MOTION, UH, CAREFULLY MM-HMM . CRAFT A MOTION, UM, ADDRESSING THIS. UM, AND I, AND I MENTIONED THE KEYWORD . I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT REPLACING THE CURRENT TILE ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH IN KIND CLAY TILE AND THAT THE SECOND STRUCTURE, THE CASITA BE BROUGHT BACK TO CTAB OR WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND STAFF FOR FURTHER GUIDANCE. CAN I, CAN I ASK MY COLLEAGUE THOUGH, TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION? YEAH. 'CAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T THAT CLEAR, SO NO, YOU WERE ALMOST THERE. . YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO WOULD YOU MAKE THE CLARIFICATION THAT THE, INSTEAD OF IN KIND, THAT IT'S, UH, MATCHING WHAT IS ON THE LOWER LEVEL TO THE, THE MAIN HOUSE? YEAH. I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. UH, YES, CORRECT. UH, WHAT, WHAT THE CHAIR SAID. SO IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH COREY? AS FAR AS A MOTION WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S, I SECOND IT. THERE YOU GO. LET'S GO FOR A ROLL CALL DAVIS. AYE FLORES AYE REGARD? AYE. HERNANDEZ AYE. SETZER AYE. FULLERTON AYE. P*****K. AYE. AND VASQUEZ. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF WILL HELP YOU THROUGH IT. THANK YOU. AND UH, THANK YEAH FOR DOING THIS PROACTIVELY WE GET, AS YOU SAW, SO MANY VIOLATION CASES AND IT'S HARD TO CHRIS US TO GO THROUGH WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND I DO WANNA ASK, ARE THOSE URNS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE ON THE FRONT? YEAH. YEAH, THEY ARE. THEY'RE DONE. VERY COOL. RIGHT? THEY NEED A DRIVE BY . YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE WE ARE ADJOURNED. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER. WE DONE RECORDING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.