Jun 04, 2025 City Council B Session

[ BRIEFING ONLY  ]

[00:01:00]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THE TIME IS 2:10 P.M. ON JUNE 4, 2025. WE WILL CALL OUR B SESSION TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: WELCOME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL B SESSION.

TODAY WE WILL HEAR AN UPDATE ON OUR PROPOSED DOWNTOWN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. WE HAVE A FAIRLY LENGTHY PRESENTATION WITH MULTIPLE PRESENTERS SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, ERIK, TO GET US STARTED.

>> WALSH: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

YES, WE ARE GOING TO WALK THROUGH A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS OF TODAY'S UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. WE WILL START OFF WITH BEN WALKING THROUGH THE FUNDING FRAMEWORK FROM THE CI CITY'SVANTAGE POINT.

WE HAVE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO AN ARENA WE SEE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, FIVE MAIN REVENUE SOURCES. ONE BEING THE SPURS, TWO, THE COUNTY VENUE PROCESS, VENUE TAX AND THE COUNTY'S GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THREE, DEVELOPMENT RELATED GUARANTEED REVENUE ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, HEMISFAIR PARK. FOUR, DEVELOPMENT -- I'M SORRY, REVENUE THROUGH LEASES OF EITHER CITY-OWNED PROPERTY REGARDING DEVELOPMENT AND A POTENTIAL NBA ARENA, AND FIVE, THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. SO BEN IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH A COUPLE GRAPHICS THAT CLEARLY OUTLINE WHERE THOSE REVENUE SOURCES ARE FROM AND WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE IN THAT IS, AND WHAT WILL BE KEY FOR US IS A DEVELOPER PARTNER AND BEN WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. THAT IS CRITICAL, BECAUSE IN THAT SENSE, THE CITY BECOMES A CONDUIT FOR FINANCING AROUND GUARANTEES, AND I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS TO YOU ALL, AS WELL AS GROUPS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, IT'S CLEAR, THIS GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL NOVEMBER PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL HAD, AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION ON THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WE ARE APPROACHING THIS WITH NO CITY DOLLARS OUT OF ANY OF OUR OPERATIONS, AND MANY OF THESE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AROUND DEVELOPMENT ARE ALL NEW IN THE SENSE THAT THEY DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW, AND WOULD BE GENERATED TO HELP SUPPORT AND BE THAT CONDUIT. SO BEN IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT.

HE WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SEVERAL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPURS.

HE WILL ALSO SHARE WITH YOU FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE POTENTIAL TERMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ANY SORT OF TERM SHEET, AND THEN HE WILL WRAP IT UP WITH AN UPDATE, WE HAVE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS IN OTHER CITIES REGARDING OTHER PROFESSIONAL SPORTS FACILITIES, AND HE WILL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED. I THINK SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THAT WILL BE CRITICAL, I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THERE PROBABLY ISN'T ONE THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT IS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO REPLICATE. THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES OF DIFFERENT ONES THAT LOOK

[00:05:02]

I THINK ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT HE WILL SAY UP FRONT IN THE PRESENTATION IS HOW WE ARE PROTECTING THE FOUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THIS AREA, AND WE HAVE GOT -- HE'S GOT -- THEY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE APPROACH THAT.

I THINK A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS YOU WILL SEE FROM PAVE DAWSON ARE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE LOCATION OF THE INSTITUTE OF TEXAN CULTURES AND MOST OF US HAVE BEEN CAUGHT UP IN THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT EXISTS THERE NOW, AND WE HAVE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH. TO THAT POINT, THE PAVE DAWSON REVIEW ALSO INCLUDED VIA AND JOHN GEARY WILL UPDATE THE COUNCIL ON THEIR INVOLVEMENT AND THINGS THAT THEY SEE AS POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE ASSET THAT IS THERE AND PROBABLY UNDERUTILIZED IN THE ROBERT THOMPSON CENTER AND YOU WILL SEE THINGS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN SUCH AS CONSTRUCTING A DIRECT ON-HIGHWAY ACCESS AS BUSES LEAVE THE THOMPSON CENTER RATHER THAN TRAVELING ON CITY STREETS TO GET TO THE HIGHWAY. JUST ALL IN AN EFFORT TO FACILITATE BETTER TRAVEL, BETTER MOVEMENT OF FOLKS. I WANT TO THANK JOHN GEARY FOR BEING CRITICAL TO THIS PART. THEY WILL UPDATE YOU ON THAT.

THE TOTAL COST, I'M GOING TO -- I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP EVERYBODY GUESSING, THE TOTAL COST OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION, IS BETWEEN 220 AND $250 MILLION. THOSE WOULD BE A GENERAL OBLIGATION IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES OF THE CITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE CONVERSATION AROUND THAT.

BUT THAT'S THE GIST OF THAT PRESENTATION. WE WILL WRAP UP WITH A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CRITICAL IN HELPING SET THE DATES AND LOCATIONS AND WE'RE NEARLY COMPLETE AND READY TO ISSUE ALL THAT HERE SHORTLY. WITH THAT, I PROBABLY DID PART OF BEN'S PRESENTATION BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO BEN.

>> GORZELL: GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH KIND OF A PROPOSED OVERVIEW OF THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

PULL THE PRESENTATION UP. WE ALREADY WENT OVER THE OVERVIEW AND THE ELEMENTS WE PLAN TO COVER WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE DISTRICT AND KIND OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WHAT IS SHOWN ON THIS MAP IS THE MAJOR ANCHORS TO THE DISTRICT.

THEY INCLUDE AN EXPANSION OF THE HENRY B. GONZALEZ CONVENTION CENTER, A POTENTIAL NBA ARENA, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALAMODOME, CONVERSION OF THE WOODCOURTHOUSE. WE ALREADY OWN THAT FACILITY BUT ARE LOOKING TO CONVERT IT INTO AN EVENT VENUE, A LAND BRIDGE OVER IH37 AND A CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WE WOULD NEED TO PUT IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THESE ANCHORS AND THIS DISTRICT. THE MAGNITUDE, THE SCALE AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT CERTAINLY MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING AND WITH THAT, THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PHASE AND SEQUENCE THIS WORK OUT. AGAIN, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING ANY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS BY ITSELF, THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGING ENOUGH.

WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO A BUNCH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

THIS SLIDE AND THIS MATRIX YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE. WE WILL SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON IT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME UPDATES TO IT. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE UPDATES AND TIMING ON THESE PROJECTS.

YOU HAVE FUNDING SOURCES ACROSS THE TOP, PROJECTS OVER ON THE LEFT.

I WILL START WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES OVER ON THE TOP. THE FIRST IS OUR CITY -- HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AT 9%. THAT IS IN PLACE TODAY. THAT IS OUR VISITOR TAX.

YOU DON'T PAY THIS UNLESS YOU STAY IN A HOTEL OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

BUT THAT IS A TAX THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY THAT SUPPORTS OUR HOT FUND

[00:10:05]

THE NEXT IS THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE OR PFZ. THIS IS INCREMENTAL STATE REVENUE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO REINVEST FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND I WILL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND, BUT IT IS ALSO BASED ON HOT TAXES, SALES TAXES WITHIN A HOTEL. THAT WILL PRIMARILY BE PAID FOR BY VISITORS OR PEOPLE USING HOTELS. THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, AGAIN, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL WE CAN USE THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW THAT ALALOWS US TO CAPTURE PROPERTY TAXES WITHIN A GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY AND REINVEST FOR DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF TAX THAT ANYBODY PAYS INSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY BUT IT ALLOWS THE ENTITY TO CAPTURE THAT AND REDIRECT THAT TO SPECIFIC PURPOSES LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE PRIVATE SOURCES ARE A RANGE OF THINGS. IT COULD BE EVERYTHING FROM PRIVATE EQUITY FROM FIRMS TO GROUND LEASES PAID BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO LEASES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE ARENA.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS LISTED THERE AS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA PROJECT. WE HAVE GOT THE VENUE TAX WHICH IS A COUNTY VENUE TAX THAT'S COMPRISED OF A CURRENT 1.75% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, AND A 5% MOTOR VEHICLE RENTAL TAX. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE NOT RENTING A HOTEL OR USING A HOTEL OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR RENTING A CAR, ARE YYOU ARE NOT PAYING THIS TAX.

CITY CAPITAL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS OR BOND ELECTIONS.

THESE WOULD BE SOMETHING THE VOTERS WOULD APPROVE. WILL IT WOULD BE PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT THAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MATRIX, WE WOULD ONLY USE TOWARDS THE LAND BRIDGE OR INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THEN OF COURSE, AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, WE PLAN TO PURSUE WHERE WE CAN FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING TO HELP WITH PROJECTS OR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

MOVING TO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE MATRIX, THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION IS LISTED AT THE TOP. THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, WE HAD A RANGE OF $700 MILLION TO $900 MILLION.

BASED ON THE WORK WE HAVE DONE TO DATE, WE HAVE NOW SET THAT PROJECT BUDGET AND ARE RECOMMENDING A $750 MILLION BUDGET FOR THAT CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION AND WE ARE USING THAT FOR OUR PLANNING PURPOSES. THE ARENA IS STILL LISTED THERE AT 1.2 TO $1.5 BILLION. THE ALAMODOME REVISED PROJECT IS A, RECALL WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE ALAMODOME, THE MAJOR RENOVATIONS PROJECT, WE HAVE PUSHED THAT OUT IN TIME TO AROUND TEN YEARS FROM NOW. THAT'S PROBABLY THE WINDOW OF TIME WE ARE LOOKING AT.

THIS REVISED PROJECT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THE ALAMODOME STAYS OPERATIONAL AND ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE SMALLER IN COST BUT THAT HAVE AN ROI ON THEM THAT WE CAN THEN TURN AROUND AND IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE DOME OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS OR SO. THE WOODCORE HOUSE, THE NUMBER OF THE RANGE IS THE SAME. WE CONTINUE, ARE ABOUT TO WRAP UP THE FEASIBILITY ON THE FEASIBILITY INTO SOME TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.

WE WILL MOVE INTO REALLY TRYING TO WORK ON AND IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE PRIVATE FUNDING SOURCES WE CAN USE TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE. THE TIMING ON THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE FLUID BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCES LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL IS STILL AT $750 MILLION PLUS. THE TIMING HAS CHANGED A BIT.

YOU WILL SEE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION THAT IT IS NOW IN THE SECOND PHASE SO FIRST PHASE IS THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. SECOND PHASE IS GOING TO BE YEARS SIX THROUGH 15. I WOULD SAY THE HOTEL IS PROBABLY ON THE EARLIER YEARS ON THAT SECOND PHASE. SO IN THE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEAR TIME FRAME.

THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE LOCATION, PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THIS HOTEL IS WHERE THE EXISTING WATER PLANT FOR THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM IS.

SO WE ARE DOING FEASIBILITY WORK WITH SAWS THAT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN RELOCATE THAT FACILITY TO AND NOT ONLY RELOCATE IT, BUT WE NEED TO EXPAND IT.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT I JUST WENT OVER, THE ARENA, EXPANDED CONVENTION CENTER, ALL THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT, WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE CAPACITY FROM THAT PLANT AS WELL.

IT'S ABOUT THE MOVE AND THE INCREASE IN CAPACITY. GIVEN THAT, WE THINK THE TIME FRAME IS PROBABLY AGAIN OUTSIDE THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. ON INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AS ERIK MENTIONED, THE RANGE ON KIND OF THE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN-RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECTED COST RANGE FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND TOM IS GOING TO GO OVER THAT MORE IN HIS SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION. THAT LAST PART ON THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY FROM UTSA AND GSA, THAT $60 MILLION IS WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED BEFORE.

[00:15:03]

YOU ALL DID APPROVE A FEW WEEKS AGO DISSOLVING THE ZONE THAT WE CREATED IN DECEMBER OF 2023, AND RECREATED OR CREATED A NEW ZONE THAT IS PICTURED HERE ON THE MAP.

WE DESIGNATED WITH THAT ACTION, WE DESIGNATED THE CONVENTION CENTER COMPLEX AS OUR QUALIFYING PROJECT UNDER THIS PROGRAM. THAT COMPLEX IS COMPRISED OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, A POTENTIAL NBA ARENA, AND MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALAMODOME. AGAIN, WHAT THIS ZONE DOES IS ALLOWS US TO CAPTURE THE INCREMENTAL STATE, HOTEL ASSOCIATED REVENUE FOR THREE YEARS WITHIN THAT ZONE.

THE ZONE IS THAT THREE-MILE CIRCLE YOU SEE THERE ON THE MAP.

THE CENTER OF THAT CIRCLE IS THE EPICENTER OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE ARENA AND ALAMODOME. IF YOU CREATED A TRIANGLE, GOT TO THE CENTER, DREW A CIRCLE, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. THAT MEANS WE CAPTURE THE STATE'S GROWTH LIKE A TIRZ, THEY SET A BASE, BUT AS THE REVENUES GROW INSIDE OF THIS ZONE, WE ARE CAPTURING THAT. IT INCLUDES THE STATE'S HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FROM HOTELS WITHIN THAT ZONE AS WELL AS THE STATE SALES TAX, MIXED BEVERAGE SALES TAX AND THE STATE MIXED BEVERAGE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX FOR BUSINESSES AND HOTELS THAT ARE -- BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN HOTELS AND HOTELS WITHIN THAT THREE-MILE ZONE.

THE CHANGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL FINANCING TOOL FOR US THAT THE STATE IS ALLOWING US TO REINVEST THEIR DOLLARS INTO THE ZONE. WITH YOUR ACTION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND DESIGNATION OF THE COMPLEX, IT GIVES US A GREAT DEAL MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN USE THIS OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. AGAIN, THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A TIRZ, WHERE IT'S GOING TO GROW SLOWLY OVER TIME. ON THE FRONT END IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, BUT AS IT GOES FORWARD IN TIME, THAT NUMBER WILL GET LARGER.

THIS FLEXIBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT WE ARE THEN ABLE TO USE THAT.

I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, BECAUSE I READ A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT YOU HAVE ALL THIS MONEY IN THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE, WHY NOT DO STREETS OR ROADS OR SIDEWALKS WITH IT. I MEAN, THESE ARE STATE DOLLARS THAT THE STATE IS ALLOWING US UNDER THEIR PROGRAM TO REDIRECT AND REINVEST INTO THINGS LIKE THIS DISTRICT, AND THERE ARE RESTRICTED USES IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN USE THE DOLLARS FOR. IT IS LIMITED TO A CONVENTION CENTER OR A VENUE.

A VENUE CAN BE A COLISEUM, ARENA, SOME USE LIKE THAT. REALLY, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS SAYING WE UNDERSTAND THAT TEXAS, SAN ANTONIO, ALL THE CITIES HERE, WE ARE IN COMPETITION WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND INTERNATIONALLY FOR VISITORS.

SO THEY ARE SAYING WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO USE SOME OF OUR DOLLARS TO INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL DRIVE VISITORS TO THE STATE AND TO SAN ANTONIO.

WE CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS DISTRICT MEETS THAT DEFINITION AND THE INTENT OF WHAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO DO WITH THOSE DOLLARS.

BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING HERE TO NOTE IS THAT IT IS RESTRICTED IN USE.

WE CAN ONLY USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. MOVING OVER TO THE CONVENTION CENTER PROJECT, IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARE PROPOSING TO FINANCE THIS, I WILL START OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS SLIDE. UP ON TOP ARE THE REVENUE SOURCES THAT WOULD BE USED TO SUPPORT A BOND ISSUE, TO FUND THE EXPANSION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. YOU SEE OUR 2% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX LISTED THERE.

I MENTIONED 9% IS THE TOTAL. 2% IS A DEDICATED TAX. IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EXPANSION, COSTS RELATED TO AN EXPANSION OR DEBT SERVICE RELATED TO AN EXPANSION.

WE HAVE HAD THAT TAX IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IT'S WHAT WE USE TODAY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE THAT GOING FORWARD. ON THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU SEE A PORTION OF THE 7% HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. WE USE THAT TODAY TO SUPPORT DEBT SERVICE ON THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

OUR CURRENT DEBT SERVICE. WE CONTINUE TO USE A PORTION OF THAT GOING FORWARD.

THE PIECE THAT IS NEW THAT WE ARE ADDING IN IS WE ARE USING A PORTION OF THAT PROJECT FINANCE ZONE OR PFZ DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE STATE, WE'RE NOW USING A PORTION OF THAT HERE TO HELP US GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF A CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION BUDGET. ALL OF THOSE REVENUES GO INTO PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION THAT ALLOW US TO ISSUE DEBT. THOSE REVENUE STREAMS WILL BE USED TO REPAY THAT DEBT AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN GET TO A $750 MILLION CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION PROJECT BUDGET, TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET, THEN WE HAVE ALSO BUILT IN ABOUT $100 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO SUPPORT THE ALAMODOME OPERATIONS UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE THE CITY CAN POTENTIALLY PROCEED WITH A MUCH LARGER RENOVATION OF THAT FACILITY.

[00:20:01]

THIS COULD ADJUST A LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT WE GET OUT OF THAT ASSESSMENT.

WE DID AN ASSESSMENT A FEW YEARS BACK BUT WANTED TO UPDATE IT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING, THAT WE CAN ENSURE THE DOME CONTINUES TO FUNCTION AND OPERATE GOING FORWARD. ON THE CONVENTION CENTER SIDE, THAT $750 MILLION PROJECT BUDGET, AGAIN, NO DESIGN HAS BEEN DONE, BUT BASED ON THE DUE DILIGENCE DONE TO DATE, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT PROJECT BUDGET WILL ALLOW US TO BUILD WHAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED AND WHAT OUR STAKEHOLDERS BELIEVE WE NEED SO THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE CONTIGUOUS EXHIBIT HALL SPACE BY ABOUT 200,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S GOING TO ADD IN SOME NEW MEETING ROOM SPACE, BALLROOM SPACE AND THE REQUIRED SUPPORT SPACE. SO THAT PROJECT WILL BE COMING BACK AND TALKING TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHY WE THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND AT THOSE LEVELS.

THE ON THE DOME, I MENTIONED THE ONGOING FACILITY ASSESSMENT, THE $100 MILLION IS FOCUSED ON THE OPERATIONAL CAPITAL WE NEED TO ENSURE THE BUILDING CAN FUNCTION BUT WE DO ALSO AND ARE EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR WHAT ARE SOME LESS EXPENSIVE IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE TO THE DOME THAT EITHER SIGNIFICANTLY WOULD IMPROVE FAN EXPERIENCE OR VISITOR EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTENDING EVENTS AT THE DOME AND/OR HAVE A POTENTIAL HIGHER RETURN THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DOME TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

WE ARE GOING TO EXPLORE THOSE AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO THE PROPOSED FINANCING STRUCTURE FOR THE ARENA.

THIS IS A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE THINK THE STRUCTURE FOR THE ARENA LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT WE HAVE GOT THREE MAIN SOURCES, THREE MAIN ENTITIES THAT WOULD BE FUNDING THE ARENA. THE COST IS $1.3 TO $1.5 BILLION. THIS WOULD BE BUILDING A STATE OF TH FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS, ONE THAT MEETS NBA STANDARDS, BUT IT WOULD INVOLVE A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS. ON THE CITY SIDE, WE WOULD BE DOING, USING REVENUES FROM THE ARENA LEASE, THE LEASE THE SPURS WOULD PAY FOR, DEVELOPMENT IN THE HEMISFAIR TIRZ, THE REINVESTMENT ZONE, GROUND LEASES FROM SOME OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A SECOND, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DOLLARS IN THAT STATE PROJECT FINANCING ZONE OR POZ.

THOSE ARE THE SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT WOULD BE USED TO SUPPORT A BOND ISSUE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA. I'M GOING TO GO IN THE NEXT SLIDE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CITY WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH ACQUIRING THE ITC PROPERTY FOR VTSA. WE HAVE AN APRAISED VALUE THAT WE BELIEVE IS PROJECTED TO BE AROUND $60 MILLION AND WE ARE WORKING ON A FINANCING THAT WE WOULD BRING FORWARD TO YOU ALL THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE MIDTOWN TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE OR TIRZ. ON THE COUNTY SIDE, IT'S THAT VENUE TAX THAT I MENTIONED. SO THE COUNTY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND THE MOTOR VEHICLE RENTAL TAX ARE WHAT MAKE OF THE VENUE TAX. WE THINK CERTAINLY THIS IS A KEY AND SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE FUNDING FOR THE ARENA, THEN OF COURSE, FUNDING FROM THE SPURS WOULD BE A MAJOR ELEMENT OF THIS AS WELL.

LET ME GO A LITTLE DEEPER ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE CITY CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA, AND THIS TABLE AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF A BOND ISSUE IS OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE FACILITY. SO THIS EXCLUDES THE LAND ACQUISITION I MENTIONED WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING THROUGH THE MIDTOWN TIRZ, BUT THIS FOCUSES ON THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IN ORDER TO CREATE A BOND ISSUE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA. THE FIRST IS THE ARENA LEASE. SO IF THE ARENA IS BUILT, THE SPURS WILL BE PAYING A LEASE TO THE ENTITY THAT OWNS -- IT WILL BE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION. WE WOULD TAKE THE VALUE OF THAT LEASE AND USE IT AS PART OF THIS BOND ISSUE. THE NEXT IS THE HEMISFAIR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE OR TIRZ. THE HEMISFAIR TIRZ WAS CREATED IN 2017.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TAX VALUE TODAY. ITS INCREMENT LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT $650,000. THAT'S THE EXISTING TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE OR TIRZ. THERE IS AN IN-PROGRESS P3, SACCARY IS BUILDING A HOTEL

[00:25:01]

SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SPURS ABOUT, I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE MAP ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT WE HAVE PARCELS AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SPURS ABOUT IS BRINGING A DEVELOPER IN TO DEVELOP THOSE SITES, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPER GUARANTEES ON THE REVENUE COMING OFF OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD THEN USE THAT AS PART OF THE FINANCING IN OUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE ARENA. THE GROUND LEASES FOR THOSE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS WOULD BE PAID FOR BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS.

THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTUALLY COMMITTED UNDER A GROUND LEASE TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS TO US, AND THEN THE LAST OF THE PROJECT FINANCING ZONE, WHICH CAPTURES THOSE INCREMENTAL STATE REVENUES WITHIN THAT THREE-MILE ZONE AROUND OUR QUALIFYING PROJECT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WOULD THE FUNDING OR REVENUES COME FROM FOR THE CITY BOND ISSUE, I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD THE CITY'S ALMOST LIKE A CON CONDUIT. WE'RE NOT TAKING THINGS OUT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET. WE ARE USING LEASE REVENUES FROM THE SPURS, WE ARE USING LEASE REVENUES FROM PRIVATE DEVELOPERS OR A DEVELOPER, AND WE ARE USING THE STATE'S HOTEL ASSOCIATED REVENUE THROUGH THIS POZ IN ORDER TO DO THIS BOND ISSUE.

SO IT IS EITHER REVENUES COMING FROM OTHER PARTIES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, OR THINGS THAT WE'RE DRIVING IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE THEN CAPTURING AND THEN TURNING THAT INTO A BOND ISSUE THAT WE CAN MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA ON. THESE ARE THE PARCELS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. THERE ARE TWO PHASES LISTED HERE AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SIMPLE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT WE HAVE THE BLUE-SHADED AREAS WHAT WE ARE CALLING PHASE ONE. THESE WOULD BE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AROUND AN ARENA SITE, THE FORMER ITC SITE, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO GO ON, AS WELL AS THE GSA PROPERTIES THERE THAT ARE A HIGHLIGHTED. THAT'S CONSIDERED PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO ARE THE PARKING LOTS AND THE AREAS AROUND THE ALAMODOME. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE SPURS ABOUT ARE, IS PHASE ONE, THE BLUE PARCELS. THEY WOULD NOT BE THE DEVELOPER FOR THOSE, BUT RATHER, THEY WOULD BRING US THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER OR PARTNERS THAT WE WOULD THEN SEEK TO GET GUARANTEES ON. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON BASEBALL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR NECESSARILY GUARANTEES ON YOU BUILD X OR Y.

WE WANT GUARANTEES ON YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD X AND Y AND YOU'RE GOING TO GUARANTEE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING TO COME OFF OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT THEN PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN MANAGE OUR RISK AND WE CAN THEN USE THAT AND LEVERAGE THAT INTO A BOND ISSUE TO SUPPORT THE ARENA PROJECT.

WILL THIS SLIDE, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE.

WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF CONVERSATION WITH THE SPURS ON A TERM SHEET.

THE NUMBER OF PROVISIONS WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE IN A TERM SHEET AND I MEAN, YOU CAN TYPICALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL BUT OBVIOUSLY THE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE THREE PARTIES, THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE TERM SHEET. EVERYTHING FROM OWNERSHIP OF THE ARENA AND ARENA SITE AND HOW WE DO THAT, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITIES.

IT WILL INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PARTIES WORK TOGETHER, THE CITY AND THE SPURS, TO DEVELOP TRAFFIC AND SECURITY PLANS, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE DISTRICT AND ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND PROJECTS AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, SO THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF WHAT WE WILL NEED TO WORK ON. NAMING RIGHTS, BROADCAST RIGHTS AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS. OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SPURS, WE HAD THE MOU EXECUTED ON APRIL 3RD BETWEEN THE S THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS. THE CITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SPURS. WE HAVE PRIMARILY TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCING STRUCTURE, THE CONCEPT I WENT OVER A COUPLE SLIDES AGO. AND REALLY TRYING TO BEGIN TO FILL IN WHAT DO THOSE THINGS LOOK LIKE, WHAT DOES THE ARENA LEASE LOOK LIKE, ONCE WE GET A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER SELECTED AND ENGAGE WITH THEM, WHAT DO THOSE DEVELOPMENT NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A RANGE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HINGE COMPLETELY ON WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF ARENA LEASE, WHAT CAN WE GENERATE OFF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, OFF THE GROUND LEASES, THEN WE HAVE THE PROJECT FINANCES OR POZ

[00:30:03]

WE ARE ALSO USING THEM TO HELP SUPPORT THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION PROJECT.

SO ALL-IMPORTANT ELEMENTS BUT UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS NAILED DOWN, WITH MORE CERTAINTY, THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION THAT THE CITY CAN PUT INTO THE ARENA. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD NEED REVENUE GUARANTEES FROM THAT DEVELOPER.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER, THE SPURS ARE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS TO SELECT A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER OR PARTNERS.

THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS NOW AND AGAIN, ONCE THAT PARTNER OR PARTNERS ARE SELECTED, THEN THERE WILL BE FURTHER NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE GUARANTEES LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT THEN FITS INTO A CITY BOND ISSUE.

ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, SOME OF THE MAJOR PROVISIONS WE EXPECT TO BE IN A TERM SHEET, WE WOULD BRING-A NON-BINDING TERM SHEET WE WOULD BRING FORWARD FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION LATER THIS SUMMER. WE ALSO BEGAN THE CONVERSATION AROUND COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OR IMPORTANT PART OF THE TERM SHEET AS WELL. ON COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS, WE HAVE -- OUR GROUP, OUR TEAM HAS LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THEY HAVE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF THEM FROM DIFFERENT PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME NFL FRANCHISES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME NBA FRANCHISES, NHL, MLB. SOME ARE EXECUTED, SOME ARE IN DRAFT.

WE KIND OF WANTED TO SEE IS THERE A SENSE, CAN WE GET A SENSE IS THERE A STANDARD FOR THE CBAS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP SHAPE THIS FOR US A LITTLE BIT.

AND REALLY, WHAT WE WALKED AWAY WITH IS THEY REALLY VARY WIDELY FROM AGREEMENT TO AGREEMENT. AND SOME OF THE MAJOR PIECES THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THERE OF COURSE ARE THE PARTIES TO THE AGREEMENT, THE ARRANGEMENTS BETWEEN THE TEAM OR REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEAM, ENTITY REPRESENTING THE TEAM, AND THE CITY, A COUNTY.

SOMETIMES IT'S A COMMUNITY ADVOCACY GROUP. TARGETED BENEFITS, IT RAN THE GAMUT. I WILL GO OVER SOME OF THEM IN A SECOND ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE. THAT IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.

BUT THEY VARY PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. FUNDING VARIED AS WELL.

SOME CASES, THERE WERE JUST TARGETS IN PLACE. SOMETIMES THERE'S RECURRING REVENUE STREAMS. SOMETIMES THERE'S ONE-TIME INJECTIONS OF CASH.

ENFORCEABILITY VARIED AS WELL. IT RAN THE GAMUT FROM RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH AREN'T ENFORCEABLE, BUT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS OF THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO GET DONE TO AGREEMENTS THAT HAD ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS IN THEM TO INCLUDE REMEDREMEDIES. EVEN THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENTS VARIED ON THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT PIECE. SOME RAN IN CONJUNCTION OR IN PARALLEL WITH THE LEASE FOR THE FACILITY, THE STADIUM OR THE ARENA. SOME WERE SHORTER IN DURATION. SOME ONLY RAN FIVE TO TEN YEARS.

WE SAW A LOT OF VARIATION WITHIN ALL OF THESE AGREEMENTS, SO BASED ON OUR REVIEW TO DATE, WHAT WE LOOKED AT SO FAR, THERE IS NO STANDARD AGREEMENT.

I THINK FOR US, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO DETERMINE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO GET AS A COMMUNITY, PART OF THAT WILL BE GETTING THE FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL HERE, IN TERMS OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. PART OF IT WILL BE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. WE WILL AT ALL THAT, LOOK AT THE AGREEMENTS, MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S PRACTICAL, FEASIBLE AND SOMETHING WE CAN EXECUTE. SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE SAW IN THESE AGREEMENTS, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BY ANY MEANS, BUT THESE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS WE SAW, THINGS LIKE CONTRIBUTION TO LOCAL SPORTS TEAMS OR LEAGUES, EQUIPMENT, TICKETS, FREE TICKETS, DISCOUNTED TICKETS, VARIOUS TYPES OF BUSINESS INITIATIVE PROGRAMS, EDUCATION PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING POPPED UP IN SEVERAL OF THEM, WORKFORCE JOB TRAINING PROGRAMS, PREFERENCES FOR WOMEN AND MINORITY CONTRACTORS AND BUSINESSES, BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS AND YOUTH PROGRAMS. THE THOSE WERE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF KIND OF WHAT WE SAW IN A LOT OF THESE AGREEMENTS. AGAIN, WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT AND HAVE MORE CONVERSATION ON THIS. AT THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATION, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO TOM CARTER, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH PAVE DAWSON.

HE WILL DO THE NEXT SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION. >> TOM CARTER, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH PAVE DAWSON ENGINEERS. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR REALLY THE LAST YEAR. PAPEDAWSON IS UNIQUELY

[00:35:05]

WE WORKED ON THE FROST BANK CENTER, WORKED ON TOYOTA, WORKED ON A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR PROJECTS INCLUDING PEARL AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN SAN ANTONIO.

WE ALSO FROM OUR TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION GRID, WE HAVE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE WORKED ON LOTS OF PROJECTS FOR THE CITY AND FOR TXDOT IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA. WE ALSO DO WORK ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE SOUTH.

FOR THIS PROJECT, WE TOOK SOME WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE FOR THE CITY FOR LIKE THE LAST 20 YEARS, TRAFFIC MODELS OF THE DOWNTOWN OPERATIONS THAT SPEAK TO JUST OVERALL TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, SIGNAL TIMING, THAT TYPE OF STUFF, AND WE BUILT OUT THE MODEL TO REFLECT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY AND REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE ALAMODOME AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SEE IN THAT CORNER OF THE CITY, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO NEED AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE IT ALL WORK AND FOR US TO BE HAPPY WITH IT. WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER SPORTS VENUES IN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND DONE WELL TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC THAT, YOU KNOW, A DUAL ARENA STADIUM SITUATION WOULD HAVE. SO OUR MAIN GOALS FOR TODAY ARE TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, DISTRICT PARKING, TRANSIT ACCESS AND WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS FROM VIA THAT WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THEIR PLANS AND RIDESHARE.

OUR GOALS FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING IS REALLY NUMBER ONE, TO RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREA OF THE ARENA.

AND THE DISTRICT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS STAY SAFE AND WALKABLE, AND THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE WANT TO SHOW IMPROVED DRIVE TIME FOR THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT FROM WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. WE HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE THE LAST EVEN FEW WEEKS WITH THE CONCERT WITH POST MALONE AND JELLYROLL.

WE DID ANALYSIS, HAD DRONES IN THE AIR, KIND OF STUDIED THE TRAFFIC ON THAT A BIT AND ALSO WORKED WITH SAPD ON THE WAY THEY ARE MANAGING IT AND ARE MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. OUR TEAM IS MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPLEMENT FOR UPCOMING CONCERTS. WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED A LOT AT TRANSIT AND RIDESHARE AND PARK AND RIDE OPTIONS. WE WANT THAT TO BE A KEY PART OF THE PLAN, THAT WE HAVE WAY MORE PEOPLE USING THOSE VENUES TO GET TO THE FACILITY THAN WE HAVE TODAY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PARKING IS ACCESSIBLE AND TRANSIT OPTIONS WORK FOR VISITORS TO THE DISTRICT. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF COORDINATION, WE HAVE MET WITH TXDOT, STUDIED THEIR DOWNTOWN FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT FUNDING. WE HAVE TALKED TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON FUNDING FOR THE LAND BRIDGE OPTION. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH VIA, BOTH ABOUT PARK AND RIDE OPTIONS AS WELL AS THE SILVER LINE AND GREEN LINE, THEIR ADVANCED TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. THE CITY STAFF HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH KING WILLIAM, LAVACA, DENVER HEIGHTS, DIGNOWITYHILL AND OTHER DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS. WE WILL TALK ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM AND STREETS AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

ON THE CITY SIDE, WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WITH THE CONVENTION AND SPORTS FACILITIES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.

WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF NEEDS AND THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WAS A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PARKING IS CONVENIENT TO THE DISTRICT AND THAT WE DON'T FIND FOLKS GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKING FOR PARKING AND THEN WALKING INTO THE DISTRICT. THAT WAS A BIG MESSAGE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

WE WANT -- WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND ASKED THEM TO PUT UP REPRESENTATIVES FOR A TASK FORCE TO TRY TO DEVELOP WHAT THAT PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM COULD LOOK LIKE. WE ALSO WANT TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION TO THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS.

[00:40:03]

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF MAJOR SYSTEM NEEDS AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS TO TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE FIRST ONE THAT WE SEE IS WE WANT TO IMPROVE CESAR CHAVEZ AS A PEDESTRIAN STREET. I WORKED YEARS AGO ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR H PARK WHEN IT WAS FIRST BEING DEVELOPED AND THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM THAT PLAN WAS MAKING CESAR CHAVEZ MORE PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY.

IT'S A GREAT CAR STREET AND WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN A GREAT CAR STREET.

WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE ANY CAPACITY ON THAT STREET. BUT WE WANT TO BUILD PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES THAT MAKE ACCESS TO THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, MORE FRIENDLY FOR BOTH BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS. WE WANT TO CONSTRUCT A NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, IT WAS MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, BETWEEN THE PLAZA LEVEL OF THE ALAMODOME AND THE PLAZA LEVEL OF THE NEW ARENA, TO CROSS OVER 37.

NOW, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PARK THAT WE ARE PRPOSING IN A LATER PHASE.

BUT WE WANT TO GET THIS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IN NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE PARKING FACILITIES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. THEN THE OTHER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OR THE NEXT ONE IS CONSTRUCTION OF A 2500 CAR PARKING GARAGE IN LOT A OF THE ALAMODOME. THAT WILL SERVE BOTH THE ALAMODOME AND THE ARENA AND THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WILL BE PTHE LINK THAT WILL TIE THAT TOGETHER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO DO ALONG HIGHWAY 37. THE FIRST ONE IS WE WANT TO CONSTRUCT A RAMP BETWEEN MONTANA AND COMMERCE STREET TO GET ON TO THE FREEWAY. AS EXISTS TODAY, IF YOU WERE TO TURN OFF AT CESAR CHAVEZ AND HEAD NORTH, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TWO LIGHTS TO GET ON THE HIGHWAY. WE WANT TO HAVE AN OPTION TO GET ON THE FREEWAY WITH ONLY GOING THROUGH ONE LIGHT. THAT WILL HELP SEPARATE THE TRAFFIC SOUTH OF ALAMODOME AND NORTH OF THE ALAMODOME AND GIVE US BETTER ACCESS ON TO THE FREEWAY.

THAT ALSO WORKS VERY WELL WITH THE THOMPSON CENTER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE BUSES OUT OF THE THOMPSON CENTER AND GET THEM ON THE FREEWAY QUICKLY SO THEY DON'T GET CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC WITH THE REST OF THE EVENT TRAFFIC. WE WANT TO IMPROVE A NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS AROUND THE DIS DISTRICT.

THE KEY ONE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE EXIT RAMP OFF OF 37 SOUTHBOUND ON COMMERCE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE NUMBER OF LANES THERE.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE LANES. WANT TO WIDEN THAT OUT TO FOUR LANES AND GET DUAL TURN LANES ON TO COMMERCE STREET. AND INCREASE THE CAPACITY AND CARRYING CAPACITY OF THAT INTERSECTION. THEN WE WANT TO MODIFY THE SOUTHBOUND LANES ADJACENT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER TO CARRY TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE AS WELL. THEN THE BIG MOVE IS AN INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF COMMERCE -- I MEAN OF CESAR CHAVEZ AND 37.

IT'S CALLED A SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE OR SPUI. THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE INTERSECTION THAT -- IT'S BIGGER, BUT SIMILAR TO THE INTERSECTION OF AUSTIN HIGHWAY AND HARRY WARSBOCHTHAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WILL THIS ALLOWS FOR BETTER MOTIONS AND MORE CARRYING CAPACITY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

THE PLAN WOULD INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, CARRYING CAPACITY OF THAT INTERSECTION FROM ABOUT 3200 CARS TO OVER 5,000 CARS, 5100 CARS THROUGH THAT. IT WILL REQUIRE TXDOT COORDINATION BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO TXDOT STAFF AND THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER RENDERING OF THAT INTERSECTION TO KIND OF GET YOUR HEAD AROUND HOW IT FUNCTIONS.

BUT IT ALLOWS FOR FOUR CYCLES OR FOUR PHASES OF THE INTERSECTION.

THAT'S REALLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. BUT IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, ONLY ONE MOTION IS ALLOWED AT A TIME. THIS ALLOWS FOR MULTIPLE MOTIONS TO HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME WITH THESE INNOVATIVE CROSSOVERS.

PEDESTRIANS ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION.

THERE IS A PLAN FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE AT A NORMAL INTERSECTION. BUT WE DO WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION DURING EVENT TIME AND REALLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO GO TO THE BRIDGE OVER 37. MAJOR SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, WE REALLY, THESE ARE MORE ON THE TRANSIT SIDE, AND WE WILL LET OUR FRIENDS AT VIA SPEAK TO

[00:45:01]

WE HAVE LOOKED, IT WAS A DISCUSSION WITH VIA, YOU KNOW, HAS ROBERT THOMPSON MET ITS TIME OR IS IT THE BEST USE FOR THE DISTRICT, AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT IS STILL THE BEST USE FOR THE DISTRICT. WE WANT TO LEVERAGE THE ADVANCED TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS THEY ARE PUTTING IN PLACE WITH THE SILVER AND GREEN LINES, AND WE WANT TO DO SOME INNOVATIVE THINGS TO PROMOTE A BETTER PARKING PLAN TO ALLOW BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE GARAGES TO SELL PARKING IN ADVANCE OF THE EVENT, SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO AN EVENT, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THEY DON'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY EXIT AT COMMERCE AND END UP CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC WITH EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. THEN WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO INTEGRATE THAT PARKING PURCHASE PLAN IN THE TICKET PLATFORM SO WHEN YOU BUY A TICKET TO THE SHOW, YOU HAVE GOT, YOU KNOW, EVEN MAYBE COST-EFFECTIVE OPTION FOR THAT PARKING.

WE SEE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE PARKING IN SEVERAL AREAS, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE ALAMO AND LAVILLITAARE UNDERUTILIZED AREAS.

WE REALLY WANT TO MAXIMIZE THOSE AND THAT MAY RESULT IN P3 PARKING GARAGE OPTIONS OR SOME OTHER METHOD TO IMPROVE THAT PARKING. WE WANT TO ESTABLISH MULTIPLE RIDE SHARE OPTIONS AND MAKE RIDESHARE REALLY VIABLE AND TRY TO CREATE SITUATIONS THAT AVOID SURGE PRICING ON THAT PARKING OR I MEAN ON THAT RIDESHARE.

THEN AN INTERESTING THING THAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ALAMODOME STAFF, WHEN THESE LARGE SHOWS COME IN LIKE THE RECENT CONCERT, THEY HAD OVER 30 TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT CAME IN FOR THAT CONCERT AND THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD PUT THEM IS IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE ALAMODOME. WE WANT TO FIND A MARSHALLING YARD THAT'S 3-5 MILES AWAY FROM THE FACILITY THAT WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO GO PARK THEIR TRUCKS AND STILL MOVE IN QUICKLY AFTER THE EVENT TO HELP THEM MOVE THE SHOW ON.

BAU BUT ALLOW US TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING FACILITIES THE CITY HAS. THESE ARE -- SO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE IS REALLY THE ONE TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN OF IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS OUR SIX TO 15-YEAR PLAN. WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION OF A LAND BRIDGE AND BIG EVENT PLAZA OVER THE FREEWAY BETWEEN THE ALAMODOME AND THE ARENA.

WE THINK THAT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FACILITY. WE HAVE GOT SOME OTHER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS UNDERUTILIZED INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY. SPECIFICALLY, HOUSTON STREET, WHEN YOU COME TO AN EVENT, COMMERCE STREET IS SUPER BUSY BUT HOUSTON HARDLY HAS TRAFFIC ON IT AND NOLAN, WHICH YOU CAN GO UNDER THE TRAIN TRACKS, IS HARDLY USED.

SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND IMPROVE THE ACCESS ON THOSE FACILITIES.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN FEEL OF CHERRY STREET AND THEN ALSO, THERE'S A STREET CALLED HOEFGENON THE SOUTH THAT WE FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE IMPROVED TO OPERATE MORE LIKE A FRAONTAGE ROAD TO IMPROVE ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH.

IN SUMMARY, WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE RELIABLE BUS TRANSPORTATION TO THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE ROBERT THOMPSON TRANSIT CENTER.

WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE WANT TO LEVERAGE PARKING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN 10-15 MINUTES OF THE FACILITY, IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE DISTRICT TO PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND REALLY CARRY THAT FEEL THAT HAPPENS AS YOU WALK THROUGH HEMISFAIR PARK OVER THE BRIDGE AND INTO THE ALAMODOME AND EVEN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO THERE. AND INTEGRATE AND LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY WITH A PLAN BEFORE YOU GO APPROACH. THIS EXHIBIT IS JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING, SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE RED DOTS, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WOULD BE GENERALLY WHERE THAT YELLOW DOT IS SHOWING.

STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON CESAR CHAVEZ, MONTANA, HOUSTON AND CHERRY STREETS, WE HAVE GOT THE SPUI INTERSECTION, YOU HAVE THE GARAGE IN THE ALAMODOME PARKING LOT AND AN ON-RAMP FROM THAT GARAGE DIRECTLY ON TO THE FREEWAY TO HELP IMPROVE TRAFFIC OUT OF THAT GARAGE. THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

THESE ARE THE ZONES OF PARKING THAT WE SEE AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT 10-15

[00:50:10]

MINUTE WALK. >> THANK YOU, TOM. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBERS, WE ARE HERE TO EXPAND A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEARD FROM TOM ALREADY AND WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.

WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR TOWN AS IT IS TODAY, WHETHER IT'S FOR FIESTA,S SPURS GAMES, YOU NAME IT, SAN ANTONIO SHINES BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, THERE'S A CHALLENGE WE FACE EVERY TIME ON HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE EFFICIENTLY, SAFELY AND IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. WE KNOW THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION AROUND THESE EVENTS STRAIN OUR STREETS, FRUSTRATES OUR RESIDENTS BUT ALSO LIMITS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF TRANSIT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO CITY STAFF ABOUT. WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS JUST LIKE YOURSELVES TO REMEMBER THE EVENT AS CELEBRATION RATHER THAN THE GRID LOCK AND FRUSTRATION.

WITH THAT CHALLENGE IN MIND, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EXECUTIVE TEAM MEMBERS AND CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP A SHORT AND LONG-TERM APPROACH TO UNLOCKING VIA'S TRANSIT FULL POTENTIAL TO DO WHAT IT DOES WELL, WHICH IS WE DO REALLY WELL IN MOVING LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE VERY EFFICIENTLY. KEEPING IN MIND ONE BUS CAN TAKE 40 CARS OFF THE STREET, A WELL-PLANNED PARTNERSHIP CAN CHANGE HOW THIS WHOLE CITY MOVES DURING HIGH DEMAND EVENTS. WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD ON WHAT'S IN PLACE. YOU HEARD SOME MENTIONS ABOUT THE ROBERT THOMPSON CENTER.

ROD WILL TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO US AS A TECHNOLOGY AND A SYSTEM BUT REAFFIRMING THOSE EXISTING INVESTMENTS AND ALSO LOOKING ABOUT HOW DO WE RETHINK AND TRAVEL AND PARKING OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE.

WE ARE RECONSIDERING TRAVEL AND PARKING OPTIONS NOT AS AFTERTHOUGHTS BUT CENTRAL TO THE EXPERIENCE THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE INTERACTING WITH THIS DISTRICT. WE ARE EXPLORING MAKING SPACE FOR NEW TRANSIT-FRIENDLY INVESTMENTS, BE OPEN FOR OTHER INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS AND MAKE IT EASIER, FASTER AND SAFER TO MOVE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE. WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON A COORDINATED TRAFFIC AND TRANSIT PLAN BUILT HAND-IN-HAND WITH SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, CONVENTION CENTER, ALAMODOME AND EVENT ORGANIZERS, VARIOUS EVENT ORGANIZERS. WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC PLAN, PULLING THIS ALL TOGETHER WILL PREVENT CONFUSION, REDUCE DELAYS AND ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE HERE. EVERYONE THAT EXPERIENCES THE DISTRICT. ROD WILL COME UP AND DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE IN MORE DETAILS

IN A MOMENT. >> SO WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS OUR CAPACITY TO MOVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE DISTRICT. THERE'S TWO MAIN WAYS WE CAN DO THAT. YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH PARK AND RIDE.

WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE CAN BRING AS FAR AS OUR PASSENGERS TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON CENTER IS QUITE A BIT. OFTEN FORGOT ABOUT IS OUR EXISTING SERVICE. WE HAVE 12 LINES THAT ALREADY COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH BUS STOPS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF THE DISTRICT. WE CAN ALSO MOVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WITH THOSE. WITH THAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FIRST METHOD, WHICH IS THE PARK AND RIDE. YOU KNOW, AS TOM AND JOHN SAID, WE ARE LOOKED AT MANY OPTIONS IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY, THE BEST LOCATION, TO BRING OUR PASSENGERS TO THE DISTRICT AND WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON FACILITY.

IT'S A JEWEL. IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE DISTRICT.

IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO HOLD 21 BUSES AT A TIME AND WE CAN BRING, WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, WE HAVE HAD THE GEORGE STRAIT CONCERT AND OTHER EVENTS, WE CAN BRING 10,000 PEOPLE WITHIN A TWO-HOUR PERIOD TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON FACILITY.

QUITE A BIT OF NUMBERS COMING TO THAT FACILITY. AND THE ORIGINATIONS, WHERE THEY START THE TRIP, WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH CROSSROADS. OVER 90% OF THE PASSENGERS COME FROM THE CROSSROADS PARK AND RIDE FACILITY. THAT'S BECAUSE OF HABIT.

THEY HAVE GONE THERE, RELIED UPON THAT LOCATION, HAVE GONE THERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST CROSSROADS. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TRANSIT FACILITIES AT OUR DISPOSAL WHERE WE CAN ALSO TRANSPORT PEOPLE FROM. WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO BRING OUT THE BROOKS TRANSIT CENTER BECAUSE THERE, WE HAVE PARKING AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALSO LEASE A BUNCH OF PARKING SPACES THERE. SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF POTENTIAL TO BRING A LOT OF RIDERS FROM THE BROOKS TRANSIT CENTER TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON.

[00:55:01]

WE HAVE ALSO PARTNERED WITH NORTHEAST INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TO USE BLOSSOM.

WE USED THE FROST BANK CENTER, IT HAS 2,000, 3,000 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE TOUS. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE ZOO PARKING GARAGE.

PARKING GARAGE WITHIN PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN, EASY ACCESS TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON. SEVERAL FACILITIES WE CAN ALSO PARTNER WITH, WITH OUR PARTNERS TO USE AS WELL. EXISTING SERVICES, THIS IS WHAT TYPICALLY PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT, BUT AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S 12 ROUTES RIGHT NOW THAT COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. TO NEAR THE DISTRICT AREA. THEY HAVE BUS STOPS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF THE DISTRICT AND THAT'S A FIVE-MILE WALKING DISTANCE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRANSIT SERVICE, OUR STANDARD IS A HALF MILE OR TEN-MINUTE WALK.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. WITH THESE 12 STOPS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN 2031, WE WILL HAVE THE GREEN LINE AND THE SILVER LINE UP AND RUNNING.

SO YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE HOURLY NUMBERS AND THIS IS CAPACITY.

THESE BUSES HAVE THE CAPACITY, EACH BUS CAN HOLD UP TO 54 PEOPLE.

WE DO HAVE A PRIMO LINE AND WE HAVE CAPACITY TO HAVE 60 PEOPLE ON THEM AS WELL.

JUST OUR NORMAL ROUTES WITHIN AN HOUR, ABOUT 3,100 PEOPLE AND THE GREEN AND SILVER LINE IT'S 1400 PEOPLE. YOU TAKE THAT TO TWO HOURS, 10,000 PEOPLE WE CAN BRING TO THE ROBERT THOMPSON THROUGH PARK AND RIDE AND HERE'S ANOTHER 9,000 PEOPLE THAT WE CAN BRING JUST ON OUR EXISTING ROUTES. THIS NEXT SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN RED, THOSE ARE THE BUS STOPS FOR THE SILVER LINE AND THE GREEN LINE, ALL WITHIN THAT QUARTER MILE DISTANCE TO THE DISTRICT.

ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A FIVE-MINUTE WALK WHICH IS WELL WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS FOR TRANSIT. WITH THAT, I WILL BRING JOHN GARY BACK UP JUST TO CLOSE

FOR US. >> THANKS, ROD. TOGETHER WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE NEW INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING ONLINE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ANYWHERE TO ABOUT 15,000 TO 20,000 PEOPLE IN A VERY EFFICIENT MANNER PROBABLY WITHIN AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. VIA KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS WELL. IT'S BEEN DOING IT FOR DECADES.

ROBERT THOMPSON WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO AND IT WAS INDEED OPERATING AT GREAT CAPACITY OVER MANY OF THOSE YEARS. SO RE-ACTIVATING THAT AND BRINGING THE GREEN LINE AND SILVER LINE BACK ON. ONE MORE MENTION AS WELL IS THAT OUR EXISTING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, THAT COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED, BECAUSE THAT EXISTING SYSTEM THAT OPERATES EVERY DAY DOWNTOWN CAN HELP CARRY ADDITIONAL PASSENGERS BESIDES JUST HAVING IT AVAILABLE DURING SPECIAL EVENT SERVICE.

PRIMO AS AN EXAMPLE OF A SYSTEM THAT EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT BRAND, WE SEE PRIMO BEING NUMBERS INCREASING EVERY TIME WE HAVE FIESTA EVENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZING, RESIDENTS ARE RECOGNIZING THAT'S A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO GET DOWNTOWN ON AN EXISTING SERVICE. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONLY PARK AND RIDE, BUT THEY CAN UTILIZE MORE OF OUR EXISTING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S A GOOD QUALITY SYSTEM, PRIMO BEING A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE, TO MAKE TRANSIT THE MOST SEAMLESS, AFFORDABLE AND LOGICAL OPTION FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ARE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH, AS WE ALLUDED TO. BUT WE ALSO HAVE BLUEPRINTS FROM OTHER CITIES, WE HAVE A SNAPSHOT IN YOUR PRESENTATION HERE OF AN EXAMPLE FROM CHARLOTTE, WHERE THEY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THE ROBERT THOMPSON CENTER, BUT THAT IS WITHIN A 15-MINUTE WALK OF FOUR MAJOR VENUES. THEY HAVE A FOOTBALL STADIUM, BASKETBALL ARENA, BASEBALL STADIUM AND ALSO ACROSS THE STREET IS A NASCAR HALL OF FAME. THEIR CAPACITY RUNS AT ABOUT, WHEN THEY ARE DOING EVENTS, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15% TO 18% OF TICKET HOLDERS AND TAKING THEM ON TRANSIT. WE'LL EXCEED THAT NUMBER AND CAPABILITY IN SAN ANTONIO.

THESE KIND OF INVESTMENTS NOT ONLY SUPPORT THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, BUT ENHANCE OUR URBAN LANDSCAPE, TYING INTO WALKABILITY GOALS AND STRENGTHEN OUR IDENTITY FOR PUBLIC SPACES. I THINK AT THIS TIME WE TURN IT BACK TO BEN?

OR ERIK? THANK YOU ALL. >> WALSH: THANK YOU, JOHN GARY. SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HEARD FROM TOM REGARDING TRAFFIC, PARKING, PEDESTRIAN, WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT TO BE

[01:00:06]

THERE ARE TWO OTHER TOPICS, RELATED TOPICS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT I INCLUDED HERE ON THE SLIDE. ONE, AND THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME UP WAS TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR IN 2024, WAS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO CONSIDER GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS BEFORE MAY OF 2027 ON AN ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND ALLOCATION. TOMORROW DURING A SESSION, YOU WILL GET A POST-SOLICITATION BRIEFING FROM VERONICA ON OUR LATEST ITERATION OF SOLICITATION.

YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THAT $150 MILLION THAT THE PUBLIC APPROVED IN 2022, WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING THAT INTO PRODUCTION FASTER THAN I THINK WE BELIEVED, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE IT AND I KNOW SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT AT LEAST HAVING THE POLICY CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT WAITING UNTIL MAY OF 2027 TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS. SO LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON THAT. THE THIRD AREA ON THERE, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS, IS REALLY TIED TO THE FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING AND TOM MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION. THAT HAS BEEN COUNCILWOMAN KAUR STEPPED OUT, I KNOW SHE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT, AS WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THOSE AREAS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY SURROUND THE EASTERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

SO MORE WORK TO DO. I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION THAT I'M LOOKING TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON. ALL OF THIS, AS WE ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, YOU KNOW, OUR MUNICIPAL BOND PROGRAMS HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN DONE WITH NO PROJECTED INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE, AND SO THAT IS STILL, FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, PART OF OUR ANALYSIS AND ASSUMPTIONS GOING INTO IT.

WE DO NEED TO DO AND HAVE NOT DONE, NOW THAT WE HAVE GOT A DISTRICT INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS, A REVIEW OF OUR CAPACITY AND THE TIMING AND IMPACT ON THE MAY OF 2027 BOND PROGRAM, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD FLAG THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN MARCHING TOWARDS. THAT SHOULD INCLUDE AND WOULD INCLUDE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE THE CAPITAL PROGRAMS IN A TIMELY MANNER, AND THAT'S WORK THAT WE ARE GOING TO COMMENCE NOW AND ARE SOON TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN MID-SUMMER TO GIVE YOU AM ALTERNATIVES. IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES OR DECIDES TO CALL FOR AN ELECTION ON OUR NOVEMBER BALLOT, IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE AUGUST 18TH, LATER ON THIS SUMMER. SO MORE WORK FOR US TO DO. I AM LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR POTENTIALLY AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ON THOSE ELEMENTS, SO I THINK THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE AS

WELL. LORI? >> HOUSTON: THANK YOU, ERIK.

THE LAST PART OF OUR PRESENTATION IS ON THE COMMUNITY PLANNING WORKSHOPS.

REALLY, THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE OF OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORT.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WORK WITH THE CONSULTANTS WE BROUGHT ON, AND THAT INCLUDES MARIO PENA AND FRANK ROTNIFGOSKI, FROM ABLE CITY. THEY ARE VERY TALENTED AND HAVE HELPED US DESIGN A TWO-DAY WORKSHOP AND THIS TWO-DAY WORKSHOP WILL TAKE PLACE IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT. EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT WILL HAVE THEIR OWN WORKSHOP. THE FIRST DAY, IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE FOCUS GROUPS AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND THEN THAT EVENING, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC MEETING, AND THEN THE SECOND DAY, IT'S GOING TO DO FOCUS GROUPS, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND AN OPEN HOUSE.

THERE WILL BE A BILINGUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WILL GO OUT BEFORE AND DURING THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS AND THEN WE WILL BE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US DEVELOP A SET OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS BODY RIGHT BEFORE WE HAVE TO CALL THE VOTE FOR THE ELECTION, SO WE HAVE A SET OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WILL

[01:05:04]

WE WILL HAVE A PHASE TWO, SO PHASE ONE IS REALLY LET'S DEVELOP THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. PHASE TWO WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE PROCESS BUT IT WILL FOCUS ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. SO WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY DESIGN ON ANY PROJECT. WE WANT TO GET THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO HELP LEAD THAT DESIGN EFFORT AND SO AS WE SELECT CONSULTANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN AND THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PROCESS. THE SAME FOR THE ARENA, THE ALAMODOME, THE JOHN WOODS COURTHOUSE OR ANY CAPITAL PROJECT.

PHASE ONE IS REALLY GETTING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN INCORPORATE IT ON THE FRONT END FOR THIS PROJECT, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A FOCUS GROUP ON HOUSING OR A FOCUS GROUP ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE FOUR FOCUS GROUPS: HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, AND PARKING.

LOCAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES AND PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY SPACE.

BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON EACH OF THOSE TOPICS, THERE WILL BE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE THE FUNDING. SO THE ATTENDEE KIND OF GETS, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO BETTER INFORM AND ENGAGE ON THOSE TOPICS.

AND THEN THE LAST PART IS GOING TO BE AN OPEN HOUSE. SO THE OPEN HOUSE, ONCE AGAIN OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN AND SEE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST TWO DAYS. YOU ALSO GET TO ASK QUESTIONS.

STAFF WILL BE THERE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE THAT THEY DIDN'T GET TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO OR NEW QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. WE WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING THE THEMES FOR THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND GUIDING PRINCIPLE EXAMPLES.

SO WE MIGHT HEAR A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT ANSFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GUIDING PRINCIPLE ON THAT OR THE PARTICIPATION OF LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A GUIDING PRINCIPLE ON THAT.

NOW WE WORKED WITH EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT. WE ARE MEETING WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER BEFORE WE HAVE THESE SESSIONS BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE ACTUAL DATES AND TIMES. THERE'S A FEW -- WE DO NOT HAVE DISTRICT 1 OR DISTRICT 5 FINALIZED FOR THE LOCATION. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT BUT WE WILL HAVE THESE ALL FINALIZED BY TOMORROW. AND WE'LL BE ISSUING A PRESS RELEASE SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THESE ARE COMING AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THEM SET IN EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT. WE HAVE THREE DATES AND WE WORKED WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO SEE WHAT DATE THEY COULD PARTICIPATE.

WE WILL HAVE WORKSHOPS GOING ON SIMULTANEOUSLY IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE THREE OR FOUR OPPORTUNITIES ON THE FIRST WORKSHOP, WHICH WILL BE JUNE 24 AND 25. THE MIDDLE WORKSHOP IS JUNE 30, JULY 1.

THE LAST ONE IS JULY 8 AND 9. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL POTENTIALLY MID-JULY OR EARLY AUGUST WITH AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING SO WHEN WE COME TO COUNCIL FOR A POTENTIAL ELECTION TO BE CALLED FOR NOVEMBER, YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOME OF THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. AFTER THAT, WE CONTINUE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN AFTER OR IF THE BOND ELECTION IS APPROVED, THEN WE GO INTO THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANS.

SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN.

MYSELF, ERIK, TOM CARTER, BEN GORZELL, MARIO, AND FRANK ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LORI AND EVERYBODY FOR THE PRESENTATION. LET ME JUST START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT -- ERIK, DID YOU WANT TO WRAP UP WITH ANYTHING BEFORE I START?

>> WALSH: I THINK THAT PRESENTATION WAS LONG ENOUGH, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT. LET ME START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AS YOU HAVE SEEN A TON OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO DETERMINE THE GENERAL FEASIBILITY OF THIS DISTRICT CONCEPT, WHICH MAKES THE WORK OF THE DECISION MAKERS ON THIS DAIS, BOTH PRESENT AND FUTURE SO MUCH EASIER. SO THANK YOU TO ALL THE TEAMS: ERIK, LORI, BEN, ANDY, JOHN AND YOUR TEAM. THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THROUGH PAPE-DAWSON, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS FOR BEING WILLING TO ANSWER THE

[01:10:01]

AND IF WE WANTED TO IMPROVE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST DOWNTOWNS IN AMERICA COULD BE, COULD WE DO IT COLLECTIVELY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE VISION AND INTENTIONALLY TO ACHIEVE A BIG GOAL TO MAKE DOWNTOWN THE KIND OF VISITOR AND LOCAL EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY IS, YES, IT'S POSSIBLE. YES, WE HAVE A PATH TO REALIZE A DOWNTOWN THAT IS THE ENVY OF THE WORLD, IN MY OPINION. BUT ALSO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW POINTS.

THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL CREATE THE VALUE THAT COMPRISES THE REVENUE SOURCES WITHIN THIS PLAN. SO TIRZ, PFC, ET CETERA WILL ONLY OCCUR BY WAY OF EXECUTING AN ATTRACTIVE VISION FOR THE DISTRICT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ASSERTIONS THAT THE CITY REVENUE SOURCES WILL SCALE IN VALUE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY EXIST.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THEY WILL ONLY DELIVER THEIR POTENTIAL WHEN THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS TRUE BECAUSE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS AND THROUGH THE PFC WE WOULD BE CAPTURING THE REVENUE THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE INVESTED IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR STATE.

AND THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE VISION FOR EXECUTING THIS PLAN THROUGHOUT THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND DISCUSSIONS. I AM ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING COMMUNITY BENEFITS AT THIS POINT EARLY IN THE PROCESS. AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT ENABLES AND GUARANTEES INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY IS A UNIQUELY SAN ANTONIO PROPOSITION AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT HOW THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT CONCEPT CAN BEST WORK FOR OUR CITY. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK THERE'S A LOT FOR US TO EXAMINE NOW IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS. BUT OVERALL I'M SEEING A PATH FORWARD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THIS VISION. SO LET ME NOW TURN IT OVER TO OUR COLLEAGUES.

WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN. >> VIAGRAN: I'M GOING TO START WITH THE HOUSING BOND. YES, I DO THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HOUSING BOND.

AND I WOULD HAVE MOVED THIS WHETHER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN ARENA OR NOT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP US MOVE OUR SHIP GOALS. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON THAT, ERIK, FIRST OFF.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS REGARDING THIS PRESENTATION, GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I THINK THE FUNDING SOURCES -- THE SLIDE ON THE FUNDING SOURCES ANSWERS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MANY OF MY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ASKING.

AND TO SEE IT IN THAT FORMAT IS REALLY GREAT. BECAUSE I THINK FROM THERE THEY CAN ASK MORE INFORMED QUESTIONS AND FROM THERE THEY CAN SHARE THEIR IDEAS.

WE HAVE A MARKET FOR A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. I THINK WE HAVE FOR A WHILE, WE JUST NEEDED TO COME TOGETHER AND GET OUT OF OUR SILOS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SPURS HAVE BEEN IN SAN ANTONIO FOR ABOUT 52 YEARS, SINCE THEY RELOCATED FROM DALLAS IN 1973.

AND IN IT THEY HAVE HAD AN INCREDIBLE FAN BASE AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE UPS AND THE DOWNS AND THE IDEA OF THEM COMING BACK TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THE [INAUDIBLE] WERE BORN I THINK IS KEY BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A STRONG PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

I CAN TALK ABOUT THE JOBS IT'S GOING TO CREATE, THE OPPORTUNITIES, AND I'M GETTING AN ECHO. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A REAL CHANCE TO DO THIS RIGHT AND REIGNITE THE ACTIVITY OF OUR DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE. I THINK THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES RIGHT NOW IS WHAT DOES A SUCCESSFUL SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT LOOK LIKE. AND WE NEED TO BE IN THE MINDSET, WHICH SAN ANTONIO DOES, IS THAT IT IS COMMUNITY-CENTRIC APPROACH TO THE VENUE, TO DEVELOPMENT, AND

[01:15:04]

BECAUSE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, A TRULY SUCCESSFUL SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ISN'T JUST DEFINED BY THE EVENTS AND TICKET SALES BUT IT'S DEFINED BY HOW WELL IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AND THAT INCLUDES THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN IN DISTRICT 1 AND THEN THE COMMUNITIES THAT GO FURTHER OUT INTO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST AND THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

ONE OF MY EARLY CONCERNS THAT I'M GLAD WE SAW ADDRESSED, AND ONE CONCERN WE GOT FROM THE RESIDENTS IS THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE PAY, THE CHALLENGES I'VE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE MITIGATION STRATEGIES.

I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS FROM PAPE-DAWSON AND VIA BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO UNPACK. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE BEGINNING AND THE CONVERSATION AND REMINDING US OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE.

ROD AND WITH ALL THE LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE USING PARK AND RIDE AND TO GET DOWNTOWN AND TO ENJOY THE AMENITIES WE HAVE. LET'S BEGIN IT NOW BEFORE WE EVEN START WITH THE BIG CONCEPTS. SO LET'S START THAT NOW.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST MOVING CARS, IT'S ABOUT DESIGNING A WALKABLE, COMPACT, AND TRANSIT-FRIENDLY DISTRICT THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE THAT CAN ARRIVE BY FOOT, THAT ENCOURAGES MOBILITY ISSUES AND THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT IS GOING TO BE RELIABLE.

I THINK WE DID A GREAT JOB. AND I WITNESSED FIRSTHAND DURING THE FINAL FOUR OF WATCHING THE FAMILY-FRIENDLY KIDS, GRANDPARENTS WALK TO THE BASKETBALL GAMES, WALK IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN. SO WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE.

WE ARE THRIVING AND WE WANT A MODERN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT ATTRACTS INVESTMENT AND ENHANCES LIVABILITY WHILE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE SUSTAIN GOALS THAT WE HAVE. AT A CORE IT'S MORE THAN AN ARENA, IT'S MORE THAN CONCERT VENUES, IT'S MORE THAN THE ALAMODOME. IT'S ABOUT CREATING A DESTINATION THAT REFLECTS OUR IDENTITY, CULTURE, AND ASPIRATIONS.

NOT ONLY -- I KNOW I STARTED WITH WE HAVE A REAL CHANCE TO DO THIS RIGHT BUT WE HAVE A REAL CHANCE TO BE THE EXAMPLE AND BEGIN FOR HOW OTHER CITIES MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE TAKE ON THIS PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD EXCITE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED AND LOOK FORWARD TO OUR DISTRICT 3 COMMUNITY PLANNING WORKSHOP SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 30 AND JULY 1 OF THIS SUMMER AT THE SOUTHSIDE LIONS SENIOR CENTER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE EFFORTS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS OUT AND THAT WE ADDRESS OUR RESIDENTS' NEEDS .

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN.

COUNCILMEMBER CABELLO HAVRDA. >> HAVRDA: THANKS, MAYOR. THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS PRESENTATION FOR THE DETAIL AND COLLABORATION. I APPRECIATE IT.

THIS PROJECT, I HATE THE WORD "TRANSFORMATION," I THINK WE USE IT TOO MUCH, BUT THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY APPLIES. THIS PROJECT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.

THE PROJECT POSITIONED SAN ANTONIO TO COMPETE AT A HIGHER LEVEL WITH MAJOR CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I DON'T MEAN JUST IN BASKETBALL, I MEAN ATTRACTING BUSINESSES AND ATTRACTING OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S WHAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY DOLLAR SPENT DOWNTOWN IS AN ECONOMIC GENERATOR FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. I BELIEVE IN THE INVESTMENT. AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT EXCITEMENT, WE ALSO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD DELIBERATELY AND WITH CARE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS HERE TODAY BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE CHEER ON ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE ALSO SHOWING THE SAME ENTHUSIASM FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT JUST THE ONES WITHIN THE BOUNDARY, I GUESS, BUT OUTSIDE AS WELL.

AND ALSO THAT DEEP HISTORY THAT'S BEEN WOVEN INTO OUR COMMUNITIES.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S TO COME. I WANT TO LOOK BACK IN A FEW YEARS AND SAY THAT THIS PROJECT REALLY MOVED OUR ENTIRE CITY FORWARD.

[01:20:01]

>> WALSH: YES, MA'AM. THE FIRST PHASE OF IT WILL BE THE MEETINGS WE'RE WORKING TO SCHEDULE NOW. BUT AS LORI MENTIONED, WE ANTICIPATE ADDITIONAL TOUCH POINTS THROUGH THE FALL AND EARLY 2026. THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WHEN WE CONTRACTED WITH ABLE CITY. IT'S NOT JUST A ONE AND DONE TYPE OF ENGA ENGAGEMENT

. >> HAVRDA: I KNOW YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. BUT THERE'S ALSO A GOOD NUMBER OF WORKERS THAT COMMUTE IN AND OUT OF DOWNTOWN. ARE THEY PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS? HAVE THEY BEEN SPECIFICALLY INVITED?

>> WALSH: YES, MA'AM. SORRY I CUT YOU OFF. THOSE ARE THE GROUPS THAT WILL BE SPECIFICALLY INVITED TO THOSE FOCUS GROUP TIME DURING THE TWO DAYS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS WE'LL WORK WITH ABLE CITY TO SCHEDULE TO MAKE

SURE THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. >> HAVRDA: THE BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL BUT LIKE THE ACTUAL WORKERS THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT.

PROBABLY WORK WITH SOME UNIONS TO SEE IF THEY'LL BRING IN SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS THAT WORK

DOWNTOWN. >> WALSH: YES. YESTERDAY I MET WITH UNITE 23 BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO LEARN MORE. THEY WANTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COULD GET ENGAGED. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO WOULD PARTICIPATE.

>> HAVRDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF THESE MEETINGS, I HEARD YOU SAY THERE WILL BE SOME SPANISH FOR OUR SPECIAL NEEDS COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AS ACCOMMODATING AS POSSIBLE.

ALSO SHIFT WORKERS THAT DON'T HAVETIES TO COMP IN THE EVENINGS.

>> WALSH: YES. THAT'S WHY MY FIRST REACTION TO A DAY AND A HALF LONG COMMUNITY MEETING WAS THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN COME. AND SO YES WE'LL BE FLEXIBLE.

AND THEN OF COURSE THESE ARE -- ABLE CITY IS OUR PRIMARY CONTRACTOR BUT THEY WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THE CITY SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ACCESS ISSUES, WE'LL MAKE SURE

WE ACCOMMODATE THAT. SIGN LANGUAGE AND SO FORTH. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH, ERIK. THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS.

YOU MENTIONED, BEN, I THINK THAT Y'ALL REVIEWED SOME THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

WERE THERE ANY -- WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT STOOD OUT TO YOU ABOUT THESE AGREEMENTS AND CAN WE GET COPIES OF SOME OF THEM? I WOULD LIKE TO READ THROUGH THEM AND SEE WHAT I CAN GLEAN.

>> GORZELL: COUNCILWOMAN, THE THING THAT JUMPED OUT TO US THE MOST WAS THE VARIEDNESS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THE WAY THEY WENT ABOUT DOING IT, SEEMED VERY TAILORED TO COMMUNITIES. WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THEM BUT WE DIDN'T SEE A COMMON STANDARD AGREEMENT. WHAT WE SAW WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE IN THERE. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST TAKEAWAY.

>> HAVRDA: IS IT MORE OF A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR US? YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE HAVE TO TAILOR TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER

STANDARD AND APPLY IT HERE BUT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING TO -- >> GORZELL: THE ONES I WENT OVER ON THE SLIDE, THERE WERE EIGHT OR NINE. THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IN AGREEMENT. SO CERTAINLY THAT MIGHT HELP INFORM WHERE WE GO.

BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT IT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAILOR IT TO WHAT ARE WE

SEEKING TO ACHIEVE THROUGH A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT. >> WALSH: THERE WERE ONE OR TWO EXAMPLES WAS THE -- AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THE DEAL, AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT, WHAT IS THE ONGOING REPORTING AND TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE COMMITMENTS MADE.

AND THERE WERE ONLY ONE OR TWO THAT PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING AS ROBUST AS I WOULD THINK WOULD EXIST AND PROBABLY THAT YOU ALL WOULD EXPECT EXIST. BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE. WHAT IS IT A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, TEN YEARS FROM NOW AND HOW ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH IT IN TERMS OF INFORMING

THE PUBLIC AND THOSE TYPES OF ASPECTS. >> HAVRDA: GOOD.

I'M GLAD THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US AND I'M SURE ANY FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING IN TOO. BEN, YOU MENTIONED IT WAS REVENUE, ON THAT SAME KIND OF VEIN, THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE LIKE THE GENERATED

REVENUES. IS THAT -- >> GORZELL: YES, MA'AM.

MUCH LIKE WE DID WHEN WE STRUCTURED THE BASEBALL TRANSACTION, WHEN WE'RE TALKING

[01:25:01]

NOT TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS SAYING I'M GOING TO BUILD X NUMBER OF UNITS OR I'M GOING TO BUILD X. WE WANT THAT PLUS A GUARANTEE THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO GENERATE THIS MUCH REVENUE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE GUARANTEE.

>> HAVRDA: WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T MEET THE GUARANTEE? WHAT'S THE COST FOR THEM?

>> GORZELL: THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WITH THE DEVELOPER WE WILL PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO ENSURE -- ALMOST LIKE A LIQUIDITY FACILITY THAT WE CAN DRAW AGAINST IF THERE'S A SHORTFALL. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ON A COUPLE OF LEVERS THAT WOULD

ALLOW US TO PROTECT THAT GUARANTEE. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.

THANKS, BEN. I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO TRANSPORTATION, BRIEFLY.

FOR I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TRANSPORTATION IS BEING COVERED, NOT JUST FOR SPECIFIC EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, BUT KIND OF EVERY DAY.

AND NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO EVENTS BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWNTOWN, WORK DOWNTOWN. IS THAT PART OF THE PLANNING OR THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I GAVE YOU WAS A TOTAL CAPACITY OF THOSE BUSES.

BUT, YEAH, THERE ARE NORMAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE TAKING THE BUSES TO DIFFERENT PLACES, NOT

THE EVENT, AND WE WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THOSE AS WELL. >> HAVRDA: THE PRESENTATION

INCLUDED THE -- >> WE WOULD TAKE OUT PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE TAKING IT

DIFFERENT PLACES OTHER THAN THE EVENT. >> HAVRDA: OKAY.

THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS BUT WITH VIA KIND OF EXPANDING AND SUPPORTING THIS, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO HELP WITH THE COST FOR -- LIKE WHAT VIA IS GOING TO UNDERGO? I KNOW THEY'RE PRETTY TIGHT OVER THERE. I'M GOING TO JUST SAY THAT.

>> WALSH: I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ROD. I THINK IN CONVERSATION WITH JOHN GUERRY AND ROD, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN OPERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN OPERATIONALLY DELIVER ON THE THINGS THAT THEY BOTH TALKED ABOUT.

THAT'S NOT DONE YET. YOU KNOW, I THINK ALSO WE HAVE TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S -- IT'S EITHER 50 CENTS OR A DOLLAR ON EVERY ALAMODOME TICKET, THAT IT GOES TO VIA TO SUPPORT THAT. WELL, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY EXPANDED WITH A NEW ARENA ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THAT IS SERVICED.

BUT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY AND I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE IMPACTS AND WE'LL NEED TO TALK THROUGH THEM WITH THAT AND TALK TO Y'ALL.

BECAUSE AS MUCH AS IT'S GREAT TO DO THE THINGS THAT JOHN GUERRY TALKED ABOUT, THEY STILL

HAVE A BUS SYSTEM TO RUN. >> HAVRDA: AND IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT.

>> WALSH: EXACTLY. >> HAVRDA: LASTLY, I'M REALLY THANKFUL Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST SAFETY. IS THERE A PLAN FOR MOVING FORWARD FOR HOW PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST SAFETY WILL BE MONITORED AFTER EVERYTHING IS DONE?

>> COUNCILWOMAN, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK AS WE CONSIDER THE DISTRICT, PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING TO TAKE A PRECEDENT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T EXIST TO TODAY IN THAT SORT OF CORNER OF THE PARK. IT WILL BE OF GREAT IMPORTANCE THAT SAFETY REMAINS AT THE TOP

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR IT, YES, MA'AM. >> HAVRDA: THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER USED MY FULL TEN MINUTES.

BUT IT'S WORTHWHILE. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK

YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HAVRDA. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. >> PELAEZ: TRANSFORMATIONAL.

NO, I'M PLAYING WITH YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. SHE USED THAT WORD.

I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PFZ , BEN. THE PFZ, IS THAT MANAGED BY AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE MANAGED BY YOUR STAFF OR IS THAT JUST A

GEOGRAPHIC DESIGNATION FOR PURPOSES OF FUNDING? >> THAT IS A GEOGRAPHIC DESIGNATION UNDER STATE LAW. THE COMPTROLLER, WE SUBMITTED ALL THAT TO THE COMPTROLLER.

THE COMPTROLLER WILL CAPTURE THAT INCREMENTAL REVENUE, HOLD IT IN AN ACCOUNT UNTIL WE PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT. ONCE THEY DO, THEY WILL BE SENDING THOSE PAYMENTS TO US

AND WE'LL BE USING IT AS PART OF THE PROJECT. >> PELAEZ: OF ALL THE FUNDING SERVICES -- SORRY, THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE SAW ON YOUR CHARTS, IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE, WHICH ONE IN TERMS OF AVAILABILITY AND SCOPE AND

[01:30:05]

COUNC >> GORZELL: THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION TO ANSWER.

NONE OF THE SOURCES I TALKED ABOUT CAN GET US A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE PFZ, THE PROJECT FINANCING ZONE, THE STATE REVENUES START SMALL AND GET LARGER. WE HAVE TO USE THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER THINGS.

THE TWO THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE GUARANTEES WE PUT IN PLACE WITH THE DEVELOPER. THAT WILL BE A BIG PIECE OF IT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF THINGS. >> PELAEZ: ERIK LOOKED LIKE

HE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. NO? >> WALSH: I THINK THE SPURS AND THE VENUE TAX ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT AND THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THREE DIFFERENT AREAS TO THAT. THE DEVELOPMENT PART IS IMPORTANT TO US TO BE THAT CONDUIT, AS BEN DESCRIBED. THE PFZ IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL TO DELIVER MULTIPLE PROJECTS ON.

SO THEY'RE ALL EQUALLY IMPORTANT AND NONE OF THEM I THINK STAND ON THEIR OWN RIGHT

NOW TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. >> PELAEZ: ONLY ONE REQUIRES A PUBLIC VOTE AND THAT'S THE VENUE TAX. IN TERMS OF MOST IMPORTANT, I WOULD SAY THE VENUE TAX, SINCE WE'RE ASKING THE PUBLIC'S PERMISSION TO CREATE IT AND TO SPEND IT FOR A DEDICATED PURPOSE, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY THIRD QUESTION. THERE'S 400,000 REGISTERED BEXAR COUNTY VOTERS. AS THIS CONVERSATION UNFOLDS, I THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE VOTERS THAT RECENTLY SHOWED UP TO THE POLLS TO SAY HI TO ALL THE CANDIDATES AND THEN WALKED OUT OF THERE DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THEIR PREFERRED CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE THEY'RE BEXAR COUNTY VOTERS AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO VOTERS.

THEY DON'T LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS. AND THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE SAN ANTONIANS TOO. NOW, I KNOW THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS VENUE TAX TO BE CREATED, WE HAVE TO GET THE BUY-IN OF ALL BEXAR COUNTY VOTERS. BUT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION ABOUT PROJECT MARVEL, I WORRY THAT WE'RE NOT BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT SPEAKING TO THOSE FOLKS THAT BELIEVE THEY ARE SAN ANTONIANS BUT REALLY ARE JUST BEXAR COUNTY VOTERS. WHAT IS THE PLAN, THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN TO NOT JUST TALK TO THE SAN ANTONIAN BUT TO TALK TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS A STAKE IN THIS.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO START NOW, TO BEGIN DESIGNING THE OUTREACH PLAN, RIGHT?

>> GORZELL: I'M GOING TO ASK LORI TO HELP ME WITH THIS ONE. >> FOR THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP DISCUSSION I PRESENTED, THAT'S GOING TO START NEXT WEEK. OUR FIRST WORKSHOP IS JUNE 24TH AND 25TH. BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, TV, WORKING WITH EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT. I KNOW D4 TALKED ABOUT DOING FLYERS, HANDING OUT. I'M LEANING ON OUR PARTNERS TO HELP US DISTRIBUTE THE

INFORMATION AS WELL. >> PELAEZ: WHO IS THAT? JUST THE COUNTY AND THE SPURS?

>> NO. WE MET WITH UNITE HERE. WE MET WITH COPS, WE MET WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. WE'LL BE HAVING FOCUS GROUPS. YOU ARE GIVING US GROUPS YOU THINK WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO AND WE ARE ALSO REACHING OUT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS. AND SO WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON COUNCILWOMAN KAUR TO DO A SOCIAL MEDIA POST. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HER ALL THE TOOLS SHE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE CAN GET OUT TO HER COMMUNITY AND HER CONSTITUENTS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME. AND THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THROUGH OUR PARTNER SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT JUST THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

BECAUSE THAT IS LIMITING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDER

GROUPS WHO HAVE CONCERNS OR IDEAS THEY WANT TO SHARE. >> WALSH: AS THE DETAILS START GETTING FILLED IN, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER TO AMPLIFY THAT AND HAVE ONE MESSAGE. FACTUALLY TO THE PUBLIC.

[01:35:03]

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR PROCESS. AS THAT MOVES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL, TO YOUR POINT, TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OVERALL PLAN

IS. >> PELAEZ: AND SO, YOU KNOW, LORI, YOU DID A MASTERFUL JOB AT A TOWN HALL THAT I HOSTED THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. WHAT WE HEARD THERE WAS A LOT OF SINCERE MISTRUST FOR ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT AND A NEW ARENA, BECAUSE FEELINGS ARE STILL HURT. 26, 27 YEARS AGO REPRESENTATIONS WERE MADE AND PEOPLE TODAY FEEL LIKE THOSE WERE LIES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL HOW THEY FEEL. AND SO NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED TO WALK INTO THIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, UNDERSTANDING THAT SENTIMENT OF BETRAYAL IN CERTAIN POCKETS OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND THEN IN OTHER POCKETS THERE'S JUST THEY'LL TELL YOU I DON'T CARE. WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ARENA OR NOT, I NEVER GO TO A SPURS GAME OR HEMISFAIR. SO GETTING THE DISENGAGED STAKEHOLDER ENGAGED AND PLANNING TO THEM WHY THIS MATTERS TO THEM AND THE NEXT GENERATION OF SAN ANTONIANS I THINK REQUIRES A DIFFERENT STRATEGY AS WELL.

AND THEN SO I'M LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM AND WE'VE GOT MASTERFUL MESSAGING LUMINAIRES HERE. WE HAVE TRISHA DEBERRY IN THE ROOM.

WE HAVE FOLKS AT THE HISPANIC CHAMBER AND ALL OF THEM ATTACK THESE CONVERSATIONS FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ALSO -- I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN YOU SAY "OUR PARTNERS," THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO THOSE PARTNERS ARE.

IF THEY SEE THEIR TRUSTED BROKER OF INFORMATION ON THAT LIST, THEN THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, IF THEY'RE INCLUDED I'M MORE LIKELY TO LEAN IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER DONE A PROJECT THAT REQUIRES THIS MUCH HEAVY LIFTING TO REPAIR A BRITTLE TRUST RELATIONSHIP THAT THE PUBLIC HAS WITH GOVERNMENT, BUT THIS IS NOT A -- ANYWAY, I DON'T ENVY YOUR JOB AND I'M WONDERING WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM OTHER BIG, BIG PROJECTS AND WHAT LESSONS WE ARE BRINGING TO THIS ONE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT THOSE

MISTAKES. >> HOUSTON: THE ALAMO HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS SEVERAL RENDITIONS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED IS YOU PUT OUT A RENDERING AND YOU GET A LOT OF RESPONSES. SOME ARE GOOD, SOME ARE BAD.

WE RESET, DID A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND THAT'S WHY WE REALLY DOVE INTO THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WHEN WE COME TO THIS BODY FOR AN ACTION, YOU ALL REMIND US OF THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND ASK US HOW DOES THIS DECISION IMPACT THIS GUIDING PRINCIPLE.

AND SO WE LEARNED FROM YOU CAN'T JUST GO AND THROW UP RENDERINGS AND NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION. AND THAT WAS A HARD LESSON TO LEARN.

THAT WAS A BIG LESSON, BUT WE DID THAT. AND WE CHANGED AND THAT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE RESET, WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES.

WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE AIRPORT RECENTLY TOO, THE SAME THING WITH THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WHEN WE WERE GOING WITH YOU ABOUT THE PARTNERS, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE RENTAL REHAB APPLICATIONS, I THINK COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO A TRUSTED PARTNER. WE HAD PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE PARENTS WOULD HELP THEM DO THAT APPLICATION.

AND SO THAT'S WHY OUR MEETINGS WITH YOU ARE SO IMPORTANT SO YOU ALL CAN TELL US IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHO DOES YOUR COMMUNITY TRUST. WHAT ARE THE PARTNERS THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE. AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE NEED TO MEET WITH TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE. BECAUSE IF DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THIS AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR TOWN HALL, IT WAS A LOT ABOUT THE FUNDING. COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN INVITED ME TO ONE OF HER MEETINGS, IT WAS ALL ABOUT PARK AND RIDE. HOW DO I GET DOWNTOWN? IT NEEDS TO BE RELIABLE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE COMMONALITIES IN EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL SO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL OF IT. WE NEED TO DIG DEEP BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO COME TO THE CITY TO GET ALL THEIR INFORMATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO OTHER PARTNERS AND ASK THEM WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS? ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT IT? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE EDUCATION OUT THERE TO GET THAT SUPPORT.

[01:40:01]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. GO AHEAD, ERIK.

>> WALSH: I'VE MENTIONED IT TWICE BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT EITHER OUR LOCAL HISTORY HERE OR THE OTHER COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENTS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ENFORCEABILITY AND REPORTING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE KEY. I MEAN, AND THERE ARE REAL EXAMPLES OF THOSE CBAS RIGHT NOW THAT IS HARD TO TELL, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

AND I THINK THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT LESSONS, BOTH OUR LOCAL HISTORY FOR PREVIOUS EFFORTS HERE. NOW, RIGHT NOW I THINK CERTAINLY THE CONVERSATIONS YOU ALL HAVE HAD AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE BETTER ADDRESS AND THAT THERE NOT BE ANY QUESTION WHEN SOMEBODY YEARS FROM NOW LOOKS AT WHAT WE DID AND WONDER IS IT ENFORCEABLE? HOW DID THEY UPDATE THE PUBLIC? DO THEY DO REGULAR REPORTING? HOW DO THEY TRACK IT AND WHAT ARE THE REMEDIES? THERE'S ONE OR TWO EXAMPLES OF GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY IN THOSE OTHER CITIES THAT WE MAY WANT TO COPY BUT I THINK WE MAY WANT TO SPEND TIME ON THAT.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. >> WHYTE: FIRST, COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY AND SHE'S ASKED ME TO RELAY HER COMMENTS.

SO THIS IS FROM COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO. AS THIS PROJECT DEVELOPS, I STRONGLY URGE THAT WE PRIORITIZE PARTNERSHIPS WITH COMPANIES THAT ARE LOCALLY HEADQUARTERED. WHEN WE WORK WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING A DISTRICT, WE'RE REINVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND KEEPING DOLLARS CIRCULATING HERE IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. NEXT, I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE BEGINNING AROUND THIS PROJECT. THAT'S A POSITIVE STEP. THAT SAID, WE'RE STARTING IN THE RED WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC MESSAGING. RESIDENTS HAVE SERIOUS QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO MEET THEM WITH ANSWERS. TRANSPARENCY MUST BE AT THE CENTER OF THIS PROCESS. OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE CLEAR, CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION AND MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO BE HEARD. ALSO, IN ADDITION TO TRANSPARENCY, I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT TRANSPORTATION CONTINUES TO BE A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME AS WE CONSIDER THIS PROJECT. THIS DISTRICT AT ITS CORE IS A QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECT FOR THE CITY. LOCALS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CONTEND WITH EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC OR PARKING CHALLENGES AS A RESULT OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE NEED A MODERNIZED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT INCLUDES SMART DESIGN, PUBLIC TRANSIT OPTIONS, AND PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY INFRASTRUCTURE.

BECAUSE CONGESTION ISN'T JUST AN INCONVENIENCE, IT'S A BARRIER.

WE NEED THOUGHTFUL PLANNING THAT PROTECTS EASE OF MOBILITY FOR EVERYONE: FIRST RESPONDERS, NEARBY BUSINESS, AND LOCALS, WHILE SUPPORTING GROWTH.

FINALLY, I WILL END WITH MY CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

WE HAVE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY AHEAD OF US AND I FEEL THIS IS A POSITIVE STEP FORWARD FOR US AS A CITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND SPURS TO UP-LEVEL OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S FROM COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO. MY THOUGHTS ON THIS REALLY ARE AS FOLLOWS: I AGREE THAT THIS PROJECT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ELEVATE SAN ANTONIO.

THE WORD "TRANSFORMATIONAL" DOES GET THROWN AROUND ALL TOO OFTEN BUT THIS PROJECT REALLY DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SAN ANTONIO TO WHERE I KNOW SO MANY OF US BELIEVE IT CAN BE. THIS IS GOING TO BE NICE, IF IT GETS DONE, FOR BIG EVENTS, NOTORIETY, ET CETERA. BUT MAINLY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT CAN DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN THIS CITY. THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, HOW THEY WOULD ENJOY THE DISTRICT, AND THEN OF COURSE THE REVENUE THAT COULD BE CREATED FROM THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD HELP WITH SO MANY OTHER NEEDS THAT OUR CITY HAS.

SO I AM PLEASED THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY AND THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO EXPLORE, IF THIS PROJECT IS VIABLE. WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TELL YOU THAT I CONTINUE TO BE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND STILL DON'T HAVE HARD AND FAST NUMBERS ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR MUCH OF THIS PROJECT, AND SPECIFICALLY THE STADIUM.

THE SPURS ARENA. WE WERE TOLD SOME TIME AGO THAT THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1.2 AND $1.5 BILLION FOR THIS ARENA, YET WE SIT HERE TODAY AND HAVEN'T QUITE PINNED DOWN WHAT PORTION THE SPURS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR.

WHAT PORTION THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY FOR. WHAT PORTION THE COUNTY IS GOING TO PAY FOR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND I WOULD CONTINUE TO URGE OUR TEAM HERE AT THE CITY, THE COUNTY, AND THE SPURS TO ACT WITH SOME URGENCY.

[01:45:05]

THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE EVERY DOLLAR IS GOING TO COME FROM FOR THIS PROJECT. TRANSPARENCY IS PARAMOUNT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKED, POTENTIALLY, TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER. SO TIME IS RUNNING OUT.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHAT HAS ME UP HERE SHAKING MY HEAD IS THE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD GO TO THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITHOUT ALL OF THE DETAIL TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.

SO I'LL ASK YOU, ERIK, THE LOGIC BEHIND STARTING THESE WORKSHOPS NOW.

>> WALSH: WELL, COUNCILMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORKSHOPS OR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ASPECT OF THIS, AS WE WERE DEALING WITH THE MOU EARLIER&-Ú, IT'S NOT JUST US SPENDING MONEY

[01:52:41]

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ME -- AND I THINK WE'LL SEE THIS -- IS TO HEAR BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF FEEDBACK.

AND GENERALLY WE'RE HEARING FROM THE FRINGES, EITHER THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THREE YEARS AGO OR NO WAY. AND I THINK SPENDING THE TIME, I THINK ABLE CITY HAS COME UP WITH A FANTASTIC PLAN THAT IS UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE.

PROBABLY MORE LIKE THE TOD PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH. IT'S A NECESSARY STEP AND SO I PLAN ON BEING PERSONALLY ENGAGED IN THOSE AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE THERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP. THANKS, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, ERIK. COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE.

>> COURAGE: THIS MAY BE THE LAST TIME I GET TO TALK ON A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE ON THE DAIS HERE. AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

I WANT TO SAY I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SPURS. I WANT THEM TO STAY IN SAN ANTONIO. I WANT US ALL TO ENJOY THEM, AS WE HAVE FOR 30, 40 YEARS.

HOWEVER, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THE WAY IT'S GOING RIGHT NOW.

ERIK, AT THE BEGINNING YOU GAVE US A COST ESTIMATE IN YOUR OPENING REMARKS.

COULD YOU REMIND US OF WHAT THAT WAS? >> WALSH: THE COST ESTIMATE?

>> COURAGE: PROJECT MARVEL, AND I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

>> WALSH: NO, SIR, I DIDN'T. BEN HAD A SLIDE WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER --

[01:55:04]

>> COURAGE: DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS? >> WALSH: $750 MILLION.

>> COURAGE: THAT WAS JUST FOR THE SPURS ARENA. I MEANT FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.

LET ME JUST MOVE ON. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST BUT ALSO WHEN DOES THE SPURS' LEASE EXPIRE AND WHAT IS THE PROJECTED OPENING OF A NEW SPURS' ARENA ACCORDING TO THE PLANS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? WHO CAN TELL ME THAT?

>> WALSH: SO THE SPURS' AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY EXPIRES IN 2032.

I WOULD SAY UNTIL WE HAVE MAJOR COMPONENTS FILLED IN ON THAT SLIDE BEN SHOWED YOU, I

WOULD -- THAT WOULD DRIVE THE OPENING DATE. >> COURAGE: I HEARD THEY WANT IT OPEN BY 2028 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS AWAY, ET CETERA. AND I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT MORE TIME THAN THAT AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO CONSIDER AND THE WAY WE'RE MOVING ON THIS CONCERNS ME. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING MORE PLANNING WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC AND LIGHTS AND BRIDGES AND GARAGES.

THAT'S A LOT OF PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, JUST TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE PEOPLE MOVE AROUND THIS FACILITY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VIA BEING PART OF THIS.

WE TALKED ABOUT TXDOT BEING A PART OF THIS. WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO TXDOT ABOUT REDOING A LOT OF WHAT GOES ON AROUND 37 AND THE ARENA AND PUTTING IN NEW LANES AND THIS AND THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF TXDOT HAS THE MONEY TO DO THAT OR WHEN THEY'LL HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT AND HOW WILL THAT

IMPACT THE TIMELINE FOR MOVING THIS STUFF FORWARD? >> WALSH: WELL, TOM MENTIONED THIS, COUNCILMAN, WE'VE HAD COORDINATING MEETINGS WITH TXDOT.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS THAT TOM TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE TXDOT RELATED IN OUR COST ESTIMATE. TYPICALLY IN THE STATE FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT INVOLVE

TXDOT, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAYS 20% AND TXDOT PAYS 80%. >> COURAGE: THAT'S IF IT'S

FUNDED. >> WALSH: THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS MAKING SURE WE WORK THROUGH THE TXDOT PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE

OTHER 80% IS FUNDED. >> COURAGE: WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF BONDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO A VENUE TAX COUNTY BOND, RIGHT? AND SO THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO A BOND ELECTION, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WALSH: THAT'S THE PROCESS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH. >> COURAGE: IF THAT FAILS, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? OKAY. MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE AND POSSIBLE HOUSING BOND ISSUE THIS YEAR THAT THE CITY WOULD PUT FORWARD

THAT WOULD IMPACT PROJECT MARVEL, DIDN'T YOU? >> WALSH: YES.

>> COURAGE: WHAT IF THAT FAILS? >> WALSH: THEN IT DOESN'T GET

DONE. >> COURAGE: IT'S NOT JUST ONE BOND THAT WE HOPE GETS PASSED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, IT'S REALLY TWO. AND THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO NEED TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE, AND THE COUNTY VOTERS NEED TO APPROVE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT TALKING TO PEOPLE IN JUNE OR PARTICULARLY JULY OR AUGUST IS GOING TO HELP 150 -- WELL, I TAKE THAT BACK. 1.5MILLION PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO OR 2.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN BEXAR COUNTY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE INTRICACIES OF THESE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS. WE CAN'T TELL THEM WHAT THESE ACTUAL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ESTIMATE. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT EVERYTHING ALWAYS COSTS A LOT MORE THAN YOU ANTICIPATE IT'S GOING TO COST WHEN YOU START.

AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CRITICISMS ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED AND BUILDING ARENAS OR STADIUMS. THAT THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION DOES NOT REPAY AS MUCH AS WHAT GOES INTO IT, GETTING A RETURN OUT OF IT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S BEEN THE HISTORY THAT PEOPLE SPRINKLE FOUND, DEPENDING ON HOW INVESTED THE CITY IS IN THIS . I KNOW THE CITY IS ONLY A PARTIAL INVESTOR, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT INVESTMENT BEING TO IMPROVE THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE ARENA AND SUPPORT, WORK AROUND THE STRUCTURE AND THE

[02:00:02]

AND IF THOSE BONDS DON'T PASS, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS I BELIEVE WE ARE MOVING TOO FAST AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY EDUCATE THE POPULATION WHERE WE WILL GET A GOOD TURNOUT AND A POSITIVE VOTE OF SUPPORT.

AND IF THE SPURS DON'T HAVE TO MOVE OUT UNTIL '32 -- I MEAN, THAT'S SIX, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW. WHY DO WE HAVE TO MOVE IT SO FAST RIGHT NOW WHEN WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PROPERLY EDUCATE AND MOTIVATE THE VOTERS TO APPROVE IT? NOW, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GO FORWARD IN THE PAST AND THEY WERE PUSHED VERY QUICKLY. VOTERS DID VOTE FOR THEM BUT WITH REGRET LATER ON WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW HALF OF WHAT THEY NEEDED TO KNOW.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE FROST BANK CENTER. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME. AND YOU'RE ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE QUICKLY.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT AT LEAST FIVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A BRAND NEW MAYOR COMING ON BOARD SUPPOSED TO WORK. OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS THE NUMBER ONE JOB OF EVERY COUNCIL I HAVE BEEN ON FOR EVERY EIGHT YEARS HAS BEEN THE BUDGET. AND PUTTING TOGETHER A REASONABLE BUDGET. RIGHT NOW WE'RE FACING SERIOUS BUDGET WOES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A SHRINKING REVENUE. WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE, MAYBE PROBABLE CUTS TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE ONE AFTER THAT.

THERE ARE CHANGES GOING ON IN MILITARY MISSIONS THAT COULD COST US THOUSANDS OF JOBS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. WE'VE GOT POSSIBLE FURTHER FEDERAL AND STATE REVENUE CUTS AND GRANTS. WE'RE ALREADY HEARING FOOD AND NUTRITION MONEY IS GETTING CUT BACK TO PEOPLE IN OUR CITY. HEALTHCARE MONEY IS BEING CUT BACK TO PEOPLE IN OUR CITY.

HOW DO WE AS A CITY HANDLE THOSE ITEMS IN OUR NEXT BUDGET WHEN WE'RE FOCUSING OR ASKING THE PUBLIC TO FOCUS A LOT OF ATTENTION ON PROJECT MARVEL AND THE SPURS ARENA? WE'VE GOT CONTINUING CLIMATE CONCERNS AFFECTING WATER AND ENERGY USE ISSUES IN THIS CITY. IT'S NOT GETTING COOLER. IT'S NOT RAINING MORE.

AND THE ENERGY COSTS, WE'RE HEARING WE NEED TO EXPAND ENERGY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT BIG DATA CENTERS MOVING IN THAT WANT TO MOVE OUR ENERGY. AND WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT THIS NEXT COUNCIL NEEDS TO ADDRESS.

I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS PROJECT MARVEL OR WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS A NEW SPURS ARENA BUT I THINK WE'RE CCOMPRESSING IT TOO MUCH AND WE'RE NOT GIVING ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE DETAILS TO MAKE A REASONABLE PRESENTATION AND DECISION TO THE VOTERS OR FOR THIS COUNCIL OR THE NEXT COUNCIL TO MAKE A REASONABLE DECISION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND WITHOUT THAT, WE MAY SEE ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE BOND ISSUES FAIL AND THEN WE'RE NOWHERE. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS,

MAYOR. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COURAGE.

I'LL JUST INTERJECT BECAUSE I FEEL THIS INTENTION AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT TIMELINE AND THE NEED TO GET ANSWERS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS HOW PUBLIC PROCESS WORKS. AND THE REALITY IS IN ORDER FOR US TO ARRIVE AT THESE ANSWERS AND BE TRANSPARENT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THESE DEBATES OUT IN THE OPEN, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. BUT IF THE SPECTER OF FAILURE TO REACH OUR HIGHEST ASPIRATIONS WERE GOING TO STOP US IN OUR TRACKS FROM EVEN TRYING, I THINK WE'RE FALLING SHORT OF OUR CITIZENS' EXPECTATIONS OF IMPROVING OUR CITY ON ANY ASPECT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE STARTED A HOUSING PROCESS.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE STARTED DOWN THE PATH OF BRINGING MASS TRANSIT HERE.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE STARTED TO INVEST IN EDUCATION IN OUR CITY.

THESE PROCESSES, BY THEIR NATURE, ARE MESSY. WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TODAY IS THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT HAS BEEN REQUIRED COMING TOGETHER AS WELL AS THE DEMANDS FOR A PUBLIC PROCESS AT THE SAME TIME. I AM FULLY CONFIDENT THAT BY THE TIME WE WERE TO GO TO VOTERS TO ASK IF THEY AGREE WITH CERTAIN PROPOSITIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE, AS WE ALWAYS HAVE HAD, OUR DUCKS IN A ROW WITH THE CITY'S POSITION.

[02:05:05]

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT TO SAY FIRST, I GUESS, IS THAT THINGS HAVE GONE ALMOST EXACTLY AS I SAID THEY WOULD WHEN WE HAD OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS REGARDING PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF ALL OF THIS, REGARDING CREATING THE RENDERINGS AND SHOWING THOSE AND PEOPLE FEELING THIS WAS A DONE DEAL. THINGS HAVE GONE ALMOST EXACTLY AS I SAID.

I HOPE PEOPLE ARE TAKING ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AT CITY LEADERSHIP AND THOSE WHO MAY BECOME MAYOR, I HOPE THAT YOU'RE ALL LISTENING AND THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ON THE DAIS. I'M GOING TO REITERATE A FEW THINGS I HAVE SAID ABOUT PROJECT MARVEL. AND ONE IS THAT OF COURSE WE ALL WANT TO LIVE IN A SAN ANTONIO THAT IS VIBRANT, THAT IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, THEY CAN WORK, AND THEY CAN PLAY. WHERE SAN ANTONIANS WORK GOOD JOBS WITH STRONG BENEFITS AND GOOD WAGES. THEY CAN PAY THEIR BILLS. THEY CAN START A FAMILY AND LIVER A LIFE FILLED WITH JOY AND FULFILLMENT. WE WANT SAN ANTONIO TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD HAVE ADDED SAN ANTONIO TO THEIR BUCKET LIST AND THEY FINALLY MAKE A PLAN TO CHECK IT OFF OF THEIR LIST. IN ACHIEVING THESE GOALS I KNOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN MEASURED IN OUR APPROACH THUS FAR FOR DECADES. ALMOST A FIFTH OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE LIVING IN POVERTY. MORE THAN HALF ARE KIDS. MORE THAN HALF OF THEM ARE WOMEN AND GIRLS. AND ALMOST A QUARTER OF THOSE PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY ARE BLACK, DESPITE MAKING UP LESS THAN 7% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION.

LET'S SAY THESE FOLKS ARE DRIVING TO SCHOOL AND WORK. 34% OF OUR CITY'S ROADS ARE RATED C, D, OR F. 34% OF OUR CITY'S ROADS. SO THEY'RE LIVING IN POVERTY.

THEN THEY'RE LIKELY DRIVING ON POORLY-MAINTAINED ROADS. IF THEY'RE NOT DRIVING A CAR, THEY'RE RIDING A BUS THAT COULD TAKE 30 MINUTES OR MORE TO PICK THEM UP.

AND THEY'RE WAITING AT A BUS STOP WITH NO SHADE IN 100-DEGREE WEATHER.

THEY END THEIR WORK OR SCHOOL DAY, HEAD BACK HOME, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COOK A MEAL THAT THEY LEFT THE DISTRICT TO GET INGREDIENTS FOR OR ACCEPTED THE SUBPAR INGREDIENTS FROM THE H-E-B OR DOLLAR STORE. OR THEY WILL GO TO POPEYE'S, MCDONALD'S, OR WHATABURGER BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT. THEN THEY BREATHE IN THE POLLUTED AIR IN THEIR COMMUNITY BECAUSE ON EVERY CORNER IS A WAREHOUSE, A MANUFACTURING PLANT, OR A PORT-A-POTTY CLEANING FACILITY. THEN AS THEY AGE THEY HAVE LITTLE ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO IN A MEDICAL CARE DESERT.

SURELY THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD ADD TO IT ALL IS IF THEY'RE WALKING TO THEIR MAILBOX AND THEY GET MAULED BY A DANGEROUS DOG THAT ACS COULDN'T PICK UP BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RESPOND TO 82% OF CRITICAL CALLS.

WE HAVE SO MUCH NEED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HEARD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW. IT'S CHALLENGING TO CONVEY WHY SO MANY OF OUR CREATIVE RESOURCES WENT TO THE PLANNING OF A DOWNTOWN SPORTS DISTRICT THAT MANY RESIDENTS WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO ENJOY OR WON'T LIVE THE LIFESTYLE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO SO. WHEN TIME AFTER TIME THEY ARE TOLD THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF MOST OF THESE PROJECTS.

I WANT TO BE MEASURED IN THE APPROACH AND I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT.

BUT THERE'S A LACK OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO OVERCOME.

IT COULD PROVIDE STABILITY TO MANY OF THE DOWNTOWN HOSPITALITY AND SERVICE JOBS BUT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IF WE INVEST NOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, IT NEEDS TO TRULY BE COMPETITIVE AND WE CAN'T FIND OURSELVES IN THE SAME POSITION WE'RE IN NOW IN 15 YEARS. WILL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT STADIUM ACTS THAT RIVAL HOUSTON AND AUSTIN? IS THAT EVER GOING TO BE THE CASE? WILL WE WILL ABLE TO MEET THE GROWTH OF THE LARGEST CONVENTIONS WE HOPE TO ATTRACT LONG TERM? MAYBE TEN YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A CONVENTION CENTER THAT MEETS THE LARGEST CONVENTION NEED RIGHT NOW BUT ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE GROWING TO A POINT WE STILL WON'T MEET THEM WHEN THIS CONVENTION CENTER IS OPEN?

[02:10:02]

I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA MAKE THAT SIMILAR REQUEST.

I DON'T CARE FOR THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT BUT FOR ANY OF THE VENUES WE CREATE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH THE FROST BANK CENTER OR THE FREEMAN COLISEUM. THE PROJECT I HAVE BEEN MOST EXCITED FOR, THE LANDBRIDGE PROJECT, IS PROBABLY THE LEAST ATTAINABLE PROJECT TO FUND AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY HIGHWAYS AND TRAIN TRACKS WHICH WERE DESIGNED TO SEGREGATE COMMUNITIES. THIS PROJECT ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE TOP OF MIND, EVEN IF IT IS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING FOR US TO FIND FUNDING FOR IT.

LASTLY, THE SPURS ARENA HAS A CHALLENGE. BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY'RE OPPOSED TO PROJECT MARVEL, THEY MEAN THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE ARENA.

THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO. IF VOTERS ARE ASKED TO FINANCE THIS PROJECT IN NOVEMBER, THERE WILL BE A CHALLENGING ROAD AHEAD IF THE SPURS DON'T CARRY THEIR WEIGHT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. THEY NEED TO DO A FEW THINGS.

ONE, THEY NEED TO BUILD GOODWILL WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF HOW TRANSPORTATION, ALL OF IT. HOW WILL THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THESE THINGS THAT ARE TOP OF MIND FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE NEXT TO THESE FACILITIES OR NEXT TO ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. WE COULD DO -- I'LL BRING THE POINT UP. WE COULD DO A HOUSING BOND OR INFRASTRUCTURE BOND ON THEIR OWN. I WOULD ALSO ASK HOW MUCH OF OUR CITY RESOURCES SO FAR, INCLUDING STAFF TIME, HAVE BEEN SPENT TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR THE SPURS.

AND SO ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OF HOW WILL THE SPURS CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY AND TO STRONGER RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR RESIDENTS IN A WAY THAT IS PROPORTIONATE TO ASK FOR A $1.4 BILLION ARENA EQUATES TO WHAT BENEFITS CAN OUR COMMUNITY EXPECT TO GAIN IF NOT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE ARENA. WHICH OF THESE THINGS COULD WE NOT DO IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS ARENA, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE PROJECTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE SELLING PEOPLE ON. NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO ON OUR OWN. WE COULD FUND THINGS WITH TIRZ.

WE COULD DO A HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE BOND. WE COULD FIX PEOPLE'S INFRASTRUCTURE BUT THE SPURS NEED TO SHARE THAT BURDEN. AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK AND THEN DO I FEEL IT IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF AN AGREEMENT. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF THINGS IN VARIOUS DISTRICT THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

HOPEFULLY THOSE INFORM THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HERE AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE IN EXEC. LASTLY, I HAVE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THE ASK FOR THE COUNTY'S INVESTMENT IN THE ARENA. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO ASK VOTERS TO APPROVE FUNDING THROUGH A VENUE TAX, I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY WITH THE FROST BANK CENTER AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE SPURS ARE LEAVING AND I'VE GOTTEN NO INDICATION THAT THEY INTEND TO LEAVE IT ANY BETTER THAN THEY FOUND IT.

THE ONLY ENTITY TALKING ABOUT INVESTING IN THE EAST SIDE IS THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

WE AREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE EAST SIDE AND THE AREA AROUND THE FROST BANK CENTER. THAT NEEDS TO BE A CENTRAL PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

I WANT TO SHARE, BEFORE I END, I WANT TO SHARE SOME QUOTES FROM AN OLD NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.

IN OCTOBER OF 2002 SAN ANTONIO SPURS' CHAIRMAN PETER HOLT SAID I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TEN YEARS FROM NOW TO LOOK AT THIS AREA AS UNDERSERVED. SPURS VICE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME SAID ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL TAKE TIME. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING QUICK. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE.

WE NEED TO SORT THINGS OUT AND DO IT RIGHT. IN NOVEMBER 2008, SIX YEARS LATER, THE COUNTY AND SPURS PUT $50,000 A PIECE TOWARDS PLANNING EFFORTS AROUND THE ARENA. GOMEZ SAID ALL OF US ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS A POTENTIAL CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, MEANING THE EAST SIDE. I CAN TELL YOU 23 AFTER THE FIRST QUOTE I SHARED, THE EAST SIDE IS STILL UNDERSERVED, STILL UNDERRESOURCED AND STILL MARGINALIZED. IF THE SPURS WANT TO LEAVE, THEY NEED TO PLAY A MUCH LARGER ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE AREA. AGAIN, THE RODEO IS NOT GOING TO BE IT.

AND TAKING A PORTION OF THE ONLY DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO SUPPORTING THE EAST SIDE IS PROBABLY NOT IT EITHER. SO I OFFER MY FEEDBACK. HOPEFULLY YOU FIND IT MEASURED

AND CONSIDERED. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO.

[02:15:02]

>> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT BEARS REPEATING THAT I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING ANY PROJECT OR INITIATIVE OF USING PUBLIC DOLLARS TO INVEST IN PRIVATE INTEREST.

AND WHILE I VALUE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE LAID OUT IN THE PRESENTATION, AS FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED, THERE AREN'T ANY HARD NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FRAMEWORK LAID OUT.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN TERMS OF THE ARENA LEASE, DO WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA HOW MUCH WE WOULD

BE RECEIVING FROM THE ARENA LEASE? >> NO, MA'AM.

THAT'S STILL UNDER NEGOTIATION. >> CASTILLO: FOR THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT GROUND LEASES, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WE WOULD RECEIVE FROM THOSE

LEASES? >> WHAT I'LL SAY, COUNCILWOMAN, IS WE HAVE MODELED -- WE HAVE RUN A LOT OF MATHEMATICAL MODELS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPER AT THE TABLE WHERE WE CAN START TO FIRM THOSE NUMBERS UP.

THAT WILL THEN DRIVE THE LEVEL OF THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION. >> CASTILLO: IN TERMS OF THE SPURS' CONTRIBUTION, DO WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA, PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO

CONTRIBUTE? >> IN THE OVERALL COST TO THE ARENA?

>> CASTILLO: YES. >> NO, MA'AM. >> CASTILLO: YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BUST OUT THE POMPOMS, LIKE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLEAR FINANCIAL FRAMEWORK OF WHERE WE INTEND TO INVEST IN THE DOLLARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE TYPICALLY PLEDGE THOSE BONDS WITH THE AD VALOREM TAX.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> CASTILLO: THOSE ARE

TYPICALLY BACKED BY THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? >> NOT BACKED BY THE GENERAL FUND. WHEN YOU ALL SET THE TAX RATE, PROPERTY TAX RATE AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU SET IT IN TWO COMPONENTS. ONE IS TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND. ONE IS TO SUPPORT OUR DEBT SERVICE, OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, OUR PROPERTY TAX-SUPPORTED DEBT. AS ERIK MENTIONED, WHAT WE'RE MODELING AND THE SCENARIOS AND ASSUMPTIONS WE MAKE, IS THERE WILL BE NO PROJECTED INCREASE

IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE 2004. >> CASTILLO: BONDS ARE

PLEDGED WITH AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES, CORRECT? >> GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS,

YES, MA'AM. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BEN. BUT TO THAT POINT, WE TALK ABOUT NO GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BUT WHETHER IT'S A HOUSING BOND OR A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE COMMITMENTS IN TERMS OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT GROUND LEASES AND/OR IF WE DO AND THOSE FALL THROUGH, IT'S SAN ANTONIO TAXPAYERS ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE GENERAL

OBLIGATION BONDS. >> CASTILLO: AGAIN, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, GIVEN THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN A STIFF FRAMEWORK IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE ANTICIPATE TO SPEND OR WE EXPECT FROM PARTNERS AND/OR PRIVATE INVESTMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN, RIGHT, WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING A $224 MILLION DEFICIT BY THE FALL OF 2029.

YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPRESSED, RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE THE SPURS TO STAY, BUT W WHO I'D ALSO LIKE TO STAY IS THE CONSTITUENT I MET AT THE HOPE CENTER SHE MAY HAVE TO MOVE TO HOUSTON BECAUSE HER RENT IS TOO HIGH, A YOUNG COUPLE WANTING TO MOVE INFO THE WEST SIDE BUT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

QUALITY OF LIFE. IN TERMS OF ASPIRATIONS, RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW ASPIRATIONAL AND CATALYTIC THIS PROJECT COULD BE, BUT I THINK BASED OFF THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED HOMES, INCREASING LIVABLE WAGES IN SAN ANTONIO. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INPUT WE'VE ALREADY GARNERED FROM COMMUNITY THAT SHOULD SET THE PRY FORTY AS A COUNCIL ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ENCOURAGING THE PUBLIC TO TIGHTSEN THE BELT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START STAGGERING SPENDING. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE HOT TAX AND THAT EAR MARK FOR PROJECT MARVEL, WILL THIS IN ANY WAY IMPACT ARTS FUNDING? AND, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE SEEING MANY NONPROFITS HAVE THEIR DONORS ROLL BACK FUNDING, AND THEY'RE ALSO HAVING TO TIGHTEN THEIR BELT. WILL THIS IMPACT ARTS FUNDING? AND IF NOT, I ALSO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SUPPORT OUR ARTS COMMUNITY WITH THE HOT TAX EVEN FURTHER.

SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE ANTICIPATE THE ARTS COMMUNITY, THE ARTS DEPARTMENT RECEIVING MORE OR LESS IN TERMS OF THEIR HOT TAX.

>> GORZELL: COUNCILWOMAN, AS WE'VE WORKED ON THIS, SO TODAY, THE HOT TAX FUNDS VISIT SAN ANTONIO, ARTS, HISTORY AND PRESERVATION, OUR

[02:20:06]

>> CASTILLO: OKAY. AND I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE AS WE NAVIGATE THE BUDGET PROCESS, I KNOW THERE'S A NEED TO SUPPORT OUR ARTS COMMUNITY AND IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO SUPPORT PROJECT MARVEL THROUGH THE HOT TAX, THEN I I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT OUR ARTS DEPARTMENT AND OUR ARTS NONPROFIT. I BELIEVE LAST WEEK THERE WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE REGARDING PROJECT MARVEL AND A QUESTION WAS ASKED IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THE STADIUM WOULD ADD TO PROJECT MARVEL AND IF IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE TOTAL COST. AND THERE WAS A RESPONSE GIVEN THAT STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAD PLANNED TO DO ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE HEMISFAIR PLAN THAT WAS PASSED IN 2012. I REVIEWED THE 2012 PLAN AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF A LAND BRIDGE, A UTSA HOSPITALITY CENTER OR MOVING THE COOLING PLANT. AND IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC PAGE THAT YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. THERE IS PAGE 83 THAT MENTIONS THE COURTHOUSE, BUT IT'S IN TERMS IN RELATED TO PARKING, NOT NECESSARILY A MUSIC VENUE OR A VENUE. SO I THINK IT'S JUST -- SEND ME THE PAGES, IF Y'ALL HAVE THEM, BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO BELIEVE THAT FOLKS ARE BEING MISLED IN TERMS OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS VOTED AND APPROVED WITH FUNDING TIED TO IT WHEN SKIMMING THE PLAN, I

DIDN'T SEE THAT INCLUDED. >> WALSH: COUNCILWOMAN, I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION. THERE'S NOT A PAGE NUMBER IN THERE.

THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF HEMISFAIR PARK WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

THAT WAS A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION THAT THE CONCEPT OF THE WOOD COURTHOUSE BEING AN CENTER, CERTAINLY THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING TODAY ABOUT AN NBA ARENA WHERE THE INSTITUTE OF TEXAS CULTURE WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED NOR INCLUDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO WHEN IT

WAS DONE. >> CASTILLO: OKAY. AND IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS COMMUNITY AGREEMENT I APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH DONE EXPLORING DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, EACH COMMUNITY IS VERY DIFFERENT, BUT A COUPLE OF THE EXPECTATIONS AND TRENDS THAT I'VE SEEN ARE IN TERMS -- AND I'VE MENTIONED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE MOU PROCESS WHERE FAIR WAGES SCALED TO LIVING WAGE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, OF COURSE, ADJUSTED TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, FULL-TIME JOBS, CITY JOBS WITH NO ABILITY TO GET TEMPS, FREE AND FAIR TO JOIN A UNION, LOCAL CONTRACTING, FREE TRANSPORTATION FOR WORKERS, MONEY FOR HIGHER EDUCATION AS YOU ALL OUTLINED WITHIN YOUR BULL LET PRESENTATION. I DO VALUE THAT Y'ALL HAVE MET WITH -- HERE I KNOW I RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ALL CONVENE WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WILL BE IMPACTED WITH THAT PROJECT, SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT INITIATIVE. AND, OF COURSE ENSURING THAT THERE'S AN AFFORD NLT HOWSESING COMPONENT TIED TO THIS. AND TO THE POINT THAT YOU RAISED OR THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE SEEKING, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A HOUSING BOND SOONER THAN LATER, AND, OF COURSE, MUCH HIGHER THAN THE LAST BOND THAT WE RECENTLY INITIATED AND VOTERS APPROVED.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING WHETHER THERE'S A PROJECT MARVEL OR NOT. IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS THAT SAN ANTONIANS ARE SAYING IS A NEED FOR US TO INVEST IN -- AND HOW MUCH WE'VE PAID SO FAR IN TERMS OF PAPE-DAWSON'S WORK.& IF -- OFFLINE, IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE THAT NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE COSTS LOOK LIKE. AND THEN CAN YOU REMIND ME, WAS THERE AN RFP PROCESS, DID THAT GO OUT IN TERMS? AND THEN HOW MANY RESPONDENTS DID WE GET BACK AND FOLKS INTERESTED

TAKING ON THIS WORK? >> WALSH: WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

>> CASTILLO: OKAY. LASTLY, I'M GRATEFUL TO SEE VIA'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? I THINK THEY GO HAND IN HAND.

AND I SEE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING LOTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, A LITTLE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY'S GOALS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS JOHN MENTIONED, RIGHT, IT'S GETTING MORE CARS OFF THE ROAD, MORE FOLKS IN BUSES TO NAVIGATE, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, BUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, SO JUST GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, THE INPUT AND THE DIRECTION THAT Y'ALL ARE PROVIDING, BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN THAT ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES BROUGHT UP, AND IT'S WHY I SIGNED HIS CCR, IS IN CONVERSATION WITH THE 76ERS ARENA, THAT DISCUSSION, THERE WAS A HUGE CONCERN ABOUT EMS GETTING TO AND FROM HOSPITALS.

AND WHAT MY DISTRICT BORDERS AND DISTRICT ONE HAS IS THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, BAPTIST HOSPITAL, AND I HAVE A VERY GREAT CONCERN JUST HOW THAT MAY IMPACT EMS TIME AND ULTIMATELY LIVES WITH SUCH CONGESTION WITHOUT A PLAN. BUT, AGAIN, I DO SEE THAT WITHIN THE PRESENTATION YOU ALL ARE EXPLORING THAT TRAFFIC PLAN, BUT IT IS A HUGE CONCERN AND IT

[02:25:02]

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO.

COUNCILMEMBER KAUR? >> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO WELCOME COUNCILMEMBER [INDISCERNIBLE] TO THE DAIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE, AND THANK YOU ALL TO EVERYONE THAT'S HERE PRESENTING AND THE FOLKS THAT HAVE STAYED.

I FEEL LIKE WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A STRETCH BREAK. BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE -- START OFF BY SAYING I'M ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED FOR THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN. I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID WHY ARE WE DOING THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT I HAVE BEEN SAYING AND I'VE LEARNED WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED THIS A LONG TIME AGO, AND I THINK ERIK MENTIONED THAT, THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE RENDERING WERE BUILT.

I'M PARTICULARLY GLAD THAT WE HAVE A GROUP THAT'S DONE THIS BEFORE IN PREVIOUS PROJECTS AND HAS HAD SUCCESS. I THINK WHAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS TO BE REAL.

THERE HAS TO BE A FEEDBACK LOOP AND IT HAS TO INCLUDE A DIVERSE GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS. AND IN TALKING WITH ABLE CITY'S LEADERSHIP, I BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SOME OF THE GROUP THAT'S IN DISTRICT ONE WE'VE PARTICULARLY HIGHLIGHTED ARE THE HEMISFAIR BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW, THE FOLKS THAT HAVE CREATED ALL OF THAT.

ALL OF THE GROWTH THERE NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, OBVIOUSLY EACH OF THEM ARE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND CONVERSED WITH.

LA VILLITA, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING GROUPS, THE VENDORS THERE, THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS. EACH OF THOSE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. AND I ALSO WANTED TO COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN CABELLO HAVRDA MENTIONED ABOUT INCLUDING THE EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

I WANTED TO SEE, MARIO, IF YOU COULD COME UP FOR JUST A QUICK SECOND TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AT ALAZAN AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND HOW DOES A RESIDENT KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT -- IF THEY SHOW UP TO THESE TWO-DAY MEETINGS, THAT SOMETHING'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COME OF IT.

>> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO EXPERIENCE? SURE.

MARIO PEÑA WITH ABLE CITY. I GUESS TO START THAT, WAINT TO SHARE ONE OF OUR FIRST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH CITY MANAGER ERIK WALSH, YOU KNOW, HE CALLED ME AND I WAS -- I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AT ALL, AND I WAS MAYBE JUST AS CONCERNED THAT I HAD SEEN, I THINK, WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAD SEEN. SO MY PERSPECTIVE WAS VERY MUCH FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, AND I ASKED HIM TWO KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK OUR POTENTIAL COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT PROJECT CLIENTS.

NUMBER ONE, IS IT -- IS THERE ROOM TO CHANGE AND INFLUENCE, RIGHT? IS IT TOO LATE? BECAUSE IT'S -- THE RENDERINGS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND THE PROFESSIONALTY UP TO THIS POINT LEADS MANY PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF DECISIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE.

SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN. AND SO I SAID, ARE YOU SURE WE'VE GOT ROOM TO DO THIS? AND IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE GENUINE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? AND THEN, TWO, -- ONE IS, IS IT TOO LATE.

AND THEN, TWO, IS IT TOO COOKED? AND THEN, TWO, IS THERE ROOM FOR ACTUAL INFLUENCE RIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC. I NEEDED TO HEAR YES, RIGHT, ON THOSE TWO FOR ABLE CITY TO ACTUALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A GOOD JOB HERE FOR YOU ALL, FOR YOU ALL TO HEAR FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT THING I SAID IS, WELL, WE HAVE TO START RIGHT AWAY. AND SO THE RIGHT AWAY IS THIS SUMMER.

YOU HAVE SOME KEY DECISIONS TO BE MADE IN AUGUST AND IN THE FALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN MARC WHYTE'S POINT EARLIER, SOME OF THE ANSWERS AREN'T HERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET MORE ANSWERS, BUT I'D RATHER GET THE PUBLIC TO GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, AS THEY WALK INTO NEGOTIATION TABLES, AS THEY WALK INTO CREATE SOME OF THE -- YOU KNOW, KEY DECISION-MAKING THEY HAVE TO MAKE FOR US, THEY'RE THERE WITH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, IN HAND.

AND SO WE'RE GOING ALL ACROSS THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR -- WITH OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING WORKSHOPS AND SPENDING SOME REAL TIME, RIGHT, AT EACH DISTRICT. SO TWO FULL DAYS. WE MOVE IN, WE EMBED OURSELVES INTO EACH DISTRICT, AND SO PEOPLE CAN COME IN IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMATS F THEY WANT TO HAVE A POINTED CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEY TOPICS, THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT.

THERE'S A BIG COMMUNITY FORUM WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND GIVE US THEIR -- WE'RE STARTING WITH, GIVE US YOUR CONCERNS, RIGHT? THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN, HAVE SOME REALLY FUN URBAN PLANNING CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE MAP, BUT THEN WE REALIZE IT'S EARLY ON, AND WE REALIZE THAT WE'RE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO HEAR CONCERNS AND TO HEAR BIG IDEAS. THERE'S A LOT OF BIG IDEAS I THINK FROM ACROSS

[02:30:04]

>> KAUR: THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS OPTIONS AT LEAST IN DISTRICT ONE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS SO IF FOLKS ARE TWRAFLING AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A SURVEY IN ADDITION, SO I THINK THAT AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY COMMUNITY INPUT, SO THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST TIME EVEN HEARING, AND SO IN JULY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HOLD OUR HOUSING BOND TO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS BODY CAN MAKE ANY DECISION MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON JUST THE OVERALL PLAN. ALSO WARRANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT MARIO'S HERE, CONGRATULATIONS AT YOUR POSITION ON VISIT SA.

THIS IS AN OPEN REQUEST FOR YOU TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE $900 MILLION THAT THIS CONVENTION CENTER IS BEING INVESTED AT TO SEE IF IT REALLY MEETS THE ROI. WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH AND LISTENING TO FOLKS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE INVESTING THAT MUCH MONEY, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO TARGET GROUPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT LOOKING AT SAN ANTONIO, OR IS IT A BETTER STRATEGY TO DOUBLE DOWN ON ALREADY THE FOLKS, THE MIDSIZE CONVENTION MARKET THAT ARE ALREADY BEING ATTRACTED, AND WOULD THE INVESTMENT IN AND AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER BE ABLE TO FILL IT EVEN MORE.

SO I'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE REAL ROI WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT CONVENTION CENTER INVESTMENT. AND THEN TRANSPORTATION, THANK YOU, VIA, FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S COMMENTS. TRMTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THE MORE WE CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO USE VIA, THE MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INVEST IN IT.

I'M HOMING WITH THE GREEN LINE INVESTMENTS AND US WORKING TOGETHER ON THE ADVISORY GROUP FOR THE GREEN LINE CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT FOLKS WILL START ACTUALLY USING IT MORE FREQUENTLY TO COME DOWNTOWN TO THESE EVENTS. BUT ALONG THAT PHASE, TOM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THERE WAS A MENTION OF A GARAGE ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE ALAMODOME LOT. WHAT IS THE EXPECTED SIZE OF THAT GARAGE?

>> 2500 CARS. >> KAUR: OKAY. THERE WAS A RUMOR THAT IT

WAS A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT. >> WE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED BIGGER GARAGES, BUT THAT'S THE SIZE THAT REALLY FITS WELL THERE.

>> KAUR: HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO LEAVE FROM A 2500 CAR GARAGE?

>> WELL, WE'VE PROPOSED THAT RAMP TO GO TO THE MAIN LANES OF 37, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO DEPEND ON THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE AND WHERE WE CAN RUN THE TRAFFIC OUT. BUT YOU GET 750 TO 1,000 CARS PER HOUR PER LANE, SO 2500 CARS, IF WE HAVE LIKE FOUR LANES, IT SHOULD -- THAT GARAGE

SHOULD DUMP PRETTY QUICKLY. >> KAUR: OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHENEVER WE'RE DOING -- MY UNDERSTANDING WE WERE DOING MULTIPLE GARAGES WITH LAST MILE TRANSPORTATION LIKE THE LOCAL THAT WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE TO AND FROM. IS THAT STILL THE IDEA

WITH THE PARKING PLAN, AT LEAST? >> YES.

>> KAUR: OKAY.

SAFE AND WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I'M ECHOING, I KNOW E ERIK SAID THERE'S GOING TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS TAKE INTO PLACE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SLIDE THAT YOU SHOW THERE ACTUALLY INCLUDES -- RIGHT NOW IT CUTS OFF AT CESAR CHAVEZ.

I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS SLIDE TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 35.

THAT MEANS WHAT ARE THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP? AND THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, THEY GET TO ACTUALLY SAY, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN ME A LIST OF WHERE THEY WANT FOUR-WAY STOP SIGNS, WHERE THEY WANT STREETLIGHTS, LITERALLY, I HAVE THREE INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED CROSSWALK SIGNALIZED CROSSWALKS AND I CAN TELL THEM TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO TELL TO THE FOLKS LEADING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SO THAT THIS PLAN CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I THINK WE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH AN INFRASTRUCTURE BOND, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY NOT SEEM AS THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S MENTIONED HERE ALREADY BUT IT IS TO OUR RESIDENTS SO I JUST

WANTED TO ECHO THAT. >> OKAY. >> KAUR: AND THEN LASTLY ON THE FINANCE PLAN -- THAT'S IT. THANKS, TOM.

ON THE FINANCE PLAN, HAVE WE LOOKED AT -- I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FIXED NUMBER FOR THE GROUND LEASE.

WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE GROUND LEASED THE BUILDING AND DIDN'T USE -- GROUND LEASED THE STADIUM AND DIDN'T USE MIDTOWN TIRZ.

IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION FOR US TO NOT USE MIDTOWN TIRZ TO PURCHASE THAT

LAND. >> GORZELL: IF WE DIDN'T USE THE MIDTOWN TIRZ TO PURCHASE THE LAND, THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO LEVERAGE THE GROUND LEASE ON THE ARENA TO GET TO A MORE MEANINGFUL NUMBER ON THE -- ON THE ARENA CONTRIBUTION. I'D HAVE TO GET THAT MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE

ELSE. >> KAUR: OKAY. I WOULD LOVE FOR -- IN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS THIS, TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PORTION THAT I KNOW THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND MIDTOWN REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.

WHERE WOULD THOSE DOLLARS BE GOING TO OTHERWISE IF THEY WEREN'T GOING TO

[02:35:02]

GET US TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED? >> GORZELL: SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE GROUND LEASE FOR THE ARENA BUILDING ITSELF, AS WELL AS THE LEVEL OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THE REVENUE GUARANTEES WE WOULD GET OFF OF THAT. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST DRIVERS WE HAVE IN THAT MODEL RIGHT NOW. I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO YIELD US THE MOST VALUE TOWARDS A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARENA.

>> KAUR: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. COUNCILMEMBER MOGIA.

>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE FINANCING LOOKED

LIKE FOR THE ALAMODOME WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED? >> GORZELL: THE ALAMODOME WAS PAID FOR WITH A HALF CENT SALES TAX. THERE WERE SOME CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED EARLY ON, BUT THEY WERE PAID OFF VERY QUICKLY. I THINK THE DOME WAS PAID OFF, I WANT TO SAY IN FIVE YEARS, I'M BALLPARKING.

>> MUNGIA: AND THERE WAS NO PRIVATE FINANCING INVOLVED?

>> GORZELL: NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. >> WALSH: AND COUNCILMAN, THE SALES TAX INCREMENT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

>> MUNGIA: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HOW FAR THAT'S COME FROM 100% PUBLIC FINANCING TO THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING TODAY, AND SO I WANT TO THANK THE SPURS FOR AT LEAST BEING INVOLVED IN THAT AND CHANGING AT LEAST HOW WE ARE FINANCING THESE TWO TYPES OF STADIUMS. SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND I FOUND AN ALAMODOME NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL WHEN I WAS TWO MONTHS OLD, AND IT HAD A LOT OF -- IT'S 97 PAGES. IT HAS A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS, IT TALKED A LOT TO STAKEHOLDERS ON THE EAST SIDE, BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND SO THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING DECALS, PARKING LOTS, MASS TRANSIT, ROBERT THOMPSON CENTER.

SO A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY WAS ALREADY IN THAT PLAN.

I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN FULFILLED, SEEN THROUGH? AND THEY TALKED ABOUT A GROCERY STORE IN THAT AREA, AND SO I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. I'M HOPING WITH A CBA, IT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SOME CODIFIED MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, BUT VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE KRVMENTD BHVMENT A, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I LIKE, RIGHT, UNION JOBS, GOOD STRONG WAGES, LOW INCOME ACCESS -- ACCESS FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES, BUT I DO THINK IT HAS TO HAVE A LOT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THAT PROCESS. SO FAR IT HASN'T REALLY HAPPENED YET, SO WHEN I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS, OF ALL THE DOORS I KNOCKED ON, I PROBABLY HAD TWO RESIDENTS TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SPURS ARENA, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS PROJECT MARVEL IN ITS ENTIRETY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT MORE ENGAGEMENT NEEDS TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN D4 ARE GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT US AND WHAT ABOUT OUR SIDE OF TOWN? SO FOR VIA, THERE'S A QUESTION ON THE KELL AX CENTER, IF WE CAN GO TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE MAPPING OF THE TRANSIT CENTERS. I DON'T RECALL THE SLIDE NUMBER, BUT IT HAS THE

MAP OF ALL THE VIA LINES. >> THE TRANSIT CENTERS,

YEAH. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DISTRICT FOUR ACTUALLY HAS ADVOCATED PREVIOUSLY -- I ANY IT'S ANOTHER SLIDE FROM THAT -- THE KELL/LACK CENTER EXPANSION, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACTUAL CLASSIFIED PARK AND RIDE STATION.

I BELIEVE IT'S A TRANSIT CENTER. >> YEAH, IT'S A TRANSIT CENTER. IT'S NOT A PARK AND RIDE.

WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, THESE ARE TRANSIT CENTERS WE OWN WHERE WE CAN ACCESS PARK AND RIDE. WITH KELL/LACK, THERE'S AN ADJACENT -- THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADJACENT PARKING LOTS OWNED BY PRIVATE RETAIL CENTERS WHERE WE WOULD INITIATE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THOSE FOLKS SO THAT WE CAN DO A PARK AND RIDE FROM THERE.

>> MUNGIA: YEAH, SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IN DISTRICT FOWSHZ.

I KNOW IN THE PAST, THAT'S BEEN LOOKED INTO AND THE OWNER'S NOT WILLING TO LEASE AT ALL TO US, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN. GETTING D4 RESIDENTS THERE WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO SOME -- I'M SURE YOU'RE

STILL LOOKING INTO THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S ONE OF THE ANCHORS FOR THIS OVERLAY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE EQUALLY AS INTERESTED IN YOU IN

REALLY BUILDING THAT TRANSIT CENTER. >> MUNGIA: THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. AND DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE ON THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS FOR CITY COUNCIL?

[02:40:04]

>> WALSH: WELL, WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO, AND I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE HAVE -- WE'RE STILL -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW MAYOR AND A HANDFUL OF NEW COUNCILMEMBERS ON THE DAIS, SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE FINAL TEAM THAT GETS ELECTED. THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, COUNCILMAN, IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH -- STARTING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND EARLY JULY.

IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, DEPENDING ON THE FINAL MAYOR AND COUNCIL TEAM, PREPARED FOR MAYBE ANOTHER PUBLIC CONVERSATION AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. I DO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY NEXT WEEK AT COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL BE DISCUSSING A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION ON A VENUE TAX, AND IT'S A NECESSARY STEP THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE. I AM CONTEMPLATING AND INTERNALLY BEING PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL BY THE THIRD WEEK IN JULY ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND A NUMBER OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASPECTS.

YOU KNOW, IF -- IF THERE IS SOMETHING PLACED ON THE BALLOT, IT'S GOT TO BE DONE BY AUGUST 18TH. WE ARE PROPOSING OUR BUDGET ON AUGUST 14TH, SO IN MY MIND THAT SHOULD BE AN EARLY AUGUST CONVERSATION, BECAUSE TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE'S POINT, WE'LL HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, BUT ALL OF THAT IS UP IN THE AIR. THAT'S MY INTERNAL TIMELINE, REALLY BASED ON THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION SO FAR AND KNOWING -- RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS ON THE DAIS HERE

SHORTLY. >> MUNGIA: OKAY. GREAT.

AND I HAD THE QUESTION ON THE INTERSECTION, THE SPUI, I THINK SOMEONE CALLED IT A SPUI INTERSECTION, CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY DAUNTING INTERSECTION. BUT SO DOES THAT BACK UP

TO -- IS THAT -- THAT'S ON CESAR CHAVEZ? >> IT'S WHAT THE IMAGE -- THE BETTER IMAGE WOULD BE THE RENDERING THAT WAS PROBABLY 26.

SORRY. THE BETTER IMAGES IS PROBABLY THE RENDERING, BUT IT'S IN THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE EXISTING INTERSECTION.

IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? >> MUNGIA: YEAH. AND IT IS CESAR CHAVEZ?

>> IT IS CESAR CHAVEZ. >> MUNGIA: SO IS THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE

WHERE IT BRIDGES OVER THE RAILROAD TRACK? >> COUNCILMAN, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE MAIN LANES OF 37 HAVE BEEN REMOVED JUST FOR VISIBILITY, THE VISUAL'S A LITTLE DECEIVING IN THAT WAY.

SO 37 WOULD RUN OVER THE TOP OF THE IMAGE YOU SEE HERE.

THE SPU SPUI IS UNDERNEATH THE INTERSECTION THERE?

>> MUNGIA: AND YOU CAN'T GET RID OF 37? >> NO.

>> MUNGIA: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOUSING BOND, I DO SUPPORT HAVING THAT ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMNOVEMBER. FOR INFRASTRUCTURE BONDS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES TO THE 2027 CAPACITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE PROJECTING A LOWER PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. BECAUSE IN DISTRICT FOUR, THAT'S THE MAIN WAY WE GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIMITED CAPACITY ON THAT, WE COULD SEE FEWER STREETS THAN THE LAST CYCLE AND THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE TO RESIDENTS IN D4.

SO THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR TODAY. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA. COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ?

>> PELAEZ: THREE THINGS. ONE, I'M THINKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT DIFFICULT HEAVY LIFTS THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL, PRIOR CITY COUNCILS HAVE HAD TO -- TO ACCOMPLISH. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M WRITING IT DOWN HERE, THE HEMISFAIR PARK PLAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CREATION OF THE ALAMODOME, THE -- YOU KNOW, THIS ALAMO PROJECT THAT LORI -- YOU HAVE LOTS OF SCARS ON YOU BECAUSE OF IT. THE BASEBALL STADIUM, PRE-K FOUR SA, THE HARDBERGER LAND BRIDGE, THE TOBIN CENTER, THE EXPANSION, VIA PRIMO AND OUR RIVERWALK EXTENSIONS, UTSA DOWNTOWN CAMPUS? AND THEY WERE ALL DIFFICULT? THEY ALL HAD THAT IN COMMON.

THEY ALL HAD IN COMMON ALSO THAT THEY WERE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PRETTY ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. AND THEY ALSO HAVE IN

[02:45:03]

AND I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE. YES.

REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOUSING AND CRIME AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND CHILD ABUSE AND HUNGER AND HOMELESSNESS AND THE PARADE OF HORRIBLES IS NOT TO BE DIMINISHED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM. AND TO SAY THAT WE HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR POOR SAN ANTONIANS, PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING, VULNERABLE FOLKS, THAT'S NOT HONEST. THIS COUNCIL INFORMED BY THIS MAYOR HAS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY ENGAGED IN THE MOST FULL-THROATED CONVERSATION ABOUT COMPASSION AND ACCESS AND EQUITY, AND I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THIS NEXT COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO ANY DIFFERENT. AND YET, I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS NEXT COUNCIL HAS ALL OF THE TALENT AND ABILITY AND SMARTS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT A ONE-TIME STADIUM DEAL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO DAUNTING A TASK. IN FACT, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK WHAT MAY BE MORE DIFFICULT WAS THE ALAMO PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UPGRADING AND PUTTING FINGERPRINTS AND MAKING CHANGES TO THE SHRINE OF TEXAS FOR AMERICAN FREEDOM, LORI, I HAVE A FEELING WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU WRITE THE STORY OF YOUR LIFE, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE ALAMO WILL PROBABLY FEATURE MORE PROMINENTLY ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE DIFFICULT THAN THIS ONE. AND SO I DO THINK THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS -- MERITS PERSPECTIVE AND A REMINDER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE OF WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE CAN DO GOING FORWARD.

AND I DO WANT TO END MY COMMENTS BY ASKING TWO QUESTIONS.

WELL, ONE, BY MAKING A COMMENT. ONE, I AM CONVINCED, AND IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANYBODY TO TALK ME OUT OF, THE CONCLUSION I'VE REACHED, AND THAT IS THAT THE TEAM WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IN LORI HOUSTON AND BEN GORZELL, THAT'S THE RIGHT -- THOSE ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO EXECUTE ON THIS PROJECT. WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC. AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. AND THE PEOPLE THAT GET US TO THAT WIN AND THE PEOPLE THAT HELP US WEATHER THOSE DIFFICULTIES ARE THE TWO FOLKS PRESENTING TO US AT THE PODIUM. BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST, AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT -- I ALSO KNOW THAT FOR YOU, THIS IS NOT JUST A JOB. LORI, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE GIRL, RIGHT, BEN, YOU'VE GOT -- YOU'RE A SAN ANTONIAN, TOO. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM OF IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PRESENTING THIS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS, THESE AREN'T FOLKS THAT ARE JUST FLOWN IN FROM ANOTHER CITY.

THESE ARE SAN ANTONIANS, THESE ARE NEIGHBORS OF YOURS.

THESE PEOPLE GO TO THE SAME CHURCHES YOU DO, THEY SEND THEIR KIDS TO THE SAME SCHOOLS, THEY WANT THE EXACT SAME THING EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, A ON TIME, THAT BEN GITES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THAT -- BENEFIT AS LOT OF PEOPLE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE'S ONE COUNCILPERSON HERE KNOWING YOU'RE SOLVING THIS VERY COMPLICATED ALLEGATION BRAALGEBRA PROJECT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE THEM SUNDAY AT CHURCH, LORI, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE THEM AT H-E-B OR YOUR JAZZERCISE CLASS, WHEREVER IT IS YOU GO ON WEEKENDS.

LASTLY, MY QUESTION IS, WHO RIGHT NOW IS OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FIRM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH? AND HAS THAT PROCESS -- IS THAT GOING TO REQUIRE AN RFP? ARE WE WORKING WITH SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW WHO'S DOING THIS FUNCTION? JUST YOU GUYS? I MEAN, ARE YOU GUYS IN IT FOR THE NOW OR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT?

>> SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TODAY, AND THERE IS PHASE 1, WHICH HAPPENS THROUGH THE SUMMER. AND THEN PHASE 2, AS WE GET -- AS LORI SAID EARLIER, AS WE GET INTO THE DETAIL OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND WE DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, INITIAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR EACH PROJECT, AND SO THEN -- AND THEN AS THOSE PROJECTS DEVELOP AND BECOME -- WE GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO HAVE A DESIGN TEAM FOR IT, THEN I BELIEVE THE CITY WILL HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT IS EVEN

MORE DETAIL IN THAT SAME DESIGN PROCESS. >> PELAEZ: IS THE IDEA TO HAVE THEM MANAGE THE ENTIRE THING, THAT'S MY QUESTION?

>> WELL, BEYOND THE PROCUREMENT OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, I CAN'T SPEAK

[02:50:03]

POINT. >> PELAEZ: OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL BE AROUND THE CITY TO HELP. >> PELAEZ: I GET IT.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PELAEZ. JUST A QUICK TIME CHECK. I KNOW FOLKS ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SET TO BEGIN AT 5:00. I'M GOING TO END TEND THIS MEETING FOR ANOTHER 15 MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL CUT IT OFF.

THE TIME IS 4:58. WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH COUNCILMEMBER KAUR.

>> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR, THERE WERE A FEW MORE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. I WANTED TO THANK THE SPURSZ FOR COMING UP WITH A FIRST DRAFT OF A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT OF JUST IDEAS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE CONDUCT IMPACTS THAT COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME IDEAS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED ABOUT WHAT FOLKS UP HERE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE. AND, YOU KNOW, I KEEP BRINGING THIS BACK AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF YOU WERE HERE DURING THE FINAL FOUR DOWNTOWN, THE SPACE WAS ACTIVATED WITH LOCALS FROM ALL OVER THAT WERE ABLE TO BRING IN FREE ACTIVATIONS TO DO EVENTS WITH THEIR KIDS AND FAMILIES.

SO WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THIS AREA WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND, WHETHER THAT'S FREE PARKING ALL WEEK FOR THEM OR WHATEVER THOSE BENEFITS ARE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S BEING INCLUDED? I KNOW MARIO, THAT YOU HAD A PREVIOUS MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM THAT'S NOW AT THE HOUSING TRUST WHO IS AN EXPERT IN THIS WORK, TOO, AND SO WOULD LOVE -- WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT CBA THAT COMES TRUE? THAT'S NOT JUST THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD 2,000 UNITS AND EXPECT THOSE UNITS TO BE BUILT BY HOUSING BOND DOLLARS AND THAT'S IT IN THE HOUSING TRUST. HOW DO WE GET PRIVATE DEVELOPERS INVESTED IN THAT SO THEY HELP US MAKE THAT T COME TO A REALITY. WHAT DO WE HOLD -- WHAT'S THE CARROT AND STICK THAT WE'RE HOLDING THOSE FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE TO? AND I JUST BAP WANT TO ENSURE THAT -- IF YOU CAN GIVE ONE OR TWO SENTENCES OR ONE MINUTE ON HOW DO WE KNOW THE ENGAGEMENT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT HAPPENS IN

THE CPA? >> HOW DO WE KNOW THE ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO IMPACT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CBA? THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES DOCUMENT THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU THAT WILL INFLUENCE -- I BELIEVE WILL INFLUENCE THE HOUSING BOND CONVERSATION AS WELL IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE AND ADOPT OFFICIALLY TO THEN ADOPT IT AS PART OF THE HOUSING BOND IMPLEMENTATION AND THE POLICY THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE TO THEN DOLE OUT THOSE DOLLARS. SO YOU -- I BELIEVE YOU CREATE GUIDELINES AND

POLICY TO SELECT PROJECTS. >> KAUR: GOT IT SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S UP TO US, WHEN WE GET THOSE RESULTS BACK.

>> WALSH: YES. >> KAUR: IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE HEAR IS

PUT INTO THE CBA? >> WALSH: YES. AND I THINK AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS THAT IS THE STAFF ANTICIPATING, A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TODAY IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SAID IT SO, I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY LEFT TO THE COUNCIL.

>> KAUR: THANKS, MARIO. I'VE HEARD A LOT TODAY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE WAS SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ANY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES OR ANY OF OUR HOUSING OR THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE GAINS IN THOSE, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO. SO ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IS WHAT IS THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT THAT PROJECT MARVEL ARE BRINGING, WHAT ARE THE JOBS, WHAT IS THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE TO DO FUTURE PROJECTS AND IS THAT WORTH IT? THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BRING TO BE A PART OF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER

IT DIRECTLY, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING -- >> OH, BUT COUNCILMEMBER,

NAY HAVE AN ANSWER. >> >> GORZELL: I DIDN'T MENTION IT EARLIER, BUT WE DID ASK TO DO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WE EXPECT THEM TO BE DONE

WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS. >> KAUR: GREAT.

I THINK THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP THE CONVERSATION.

AND THAT BEING SAID, I WANT US TO JUST GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE WE DO REALLY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? NUMBER TWO, PICK. LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM, AND WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO FEEL EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE THIS IS DONE ALREADY BAKED, THEN IT'S NOT -- I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AS COUNCIL MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ENOUGH INPUT AND FEEDBACK ON THE PROJECT.

I'LL END WITH DOING A LITTLE HOMAGE TO MY RIVERWALK FOLKS.

THEY ALWAYS TELL ME, DON'T KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG, SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS TO ME EARLIER, IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL TO TAKE THE RIVERWALK AND EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK, SO THAT WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT. EVEN IF YOU'RE AT THE STADIUM, THERE'S A RIVERWALK LEVEL THAT YOU CAN ACCESS.

I'D LOVE TO SAY LET'S ALSO NOT LIMIT OURSELVES TO WHAT OTHER CITIES DO, BUT THINK BROADLY AND INNOVATIVELY ABOUT WHAT IS TRUE ABOUT SAN ANTONIO THAT WE WANT TO EXPAND THROUGH MARVEL. THANKS, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO?

[02:55:04]

>> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANTED TO ECHO THE COMMENT OF WHICH -- IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT COMMUNITY STEERS THAT CONVERSATION, THOSE EXPECTATIONS, SO THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, FOR EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T CREATE THE ALLUSION OF A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT BY WHETHER IT'S THE SPURS THAT'S PROPOSING, CITY STAFF AND/OR COUNCIL, BUT IT'S THE COMMUNITY LAYING OUT WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE. WITH THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEING DONE IN TERMS OF THE ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE INTO THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE HAVE THESE ANALYSIS, THEY ARE IN THE BILLIONS, THEY ARE HUGE -- AUDIO] -- FUND IS ALSO VERY MINIMAL, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE TO SEE AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT IMPACT WILL LOOK LIKE.

SINCE VIA IS HERE AND CITY STAFF'S HERE, MY TEAM DID FIND OUT THAT THE SILVER LINE'S FIRST PUBLIC MEETING FALLS ON THE SAME DAY AS THE MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SO IF WE COULD WORK OUT A DAY TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH, OR EITHER/OR, LET'S WORK ON THAT, PLEASE.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ANNUAL RENT FROM THE SPURS, WHERE WOULD WE SEE THAT RENT PUT BACK INTO THE CITY BUDGET? OR WHERE WOULD THAT RENT

GO TOWARDS? >> GORZELL: COUNCILWOMAN, THAT LEASE FOR THE ARENA WOULD GO BACK INTO THE BOND FINANCING TO FUND OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE

PROJECT. >> CASTILLO: SO IT WOULDN'T GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE REQUESTS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> GORZELL: NO, MA'AM. >> CASTILLO: OKAY. LASTLY, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING ON PROJECT MARVEL?

>> WALSH: INTERNALLY, THAT'S PART OF MY QUESTION -- OR MY ANSWER TO THE COUNCILMAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT ONCE THE COMPLETE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE SWORN IN AND TAKE THEIR POSITIONS, THAT WE WILL LIKELY HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING. THAT'S -- INTERNALLY, I'M PLANNING FOR THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO -- OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW MEMBERS HERE AND I THINK THEY'LL HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> CASTILLO: I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THAT I MISSED.

IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFIED, HOW WERE THOSE IDENTIFIED? WAS IT THOSE THAT SPECIFICALLY ABUT THE SPORTS DISTRICT OR HOW WERE THOSE SELECTED? HEUDZ THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED BECAUSE THEY'RE SURROUNDING THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THE MOST BY TRAFFIC.

BUT AS WE MEET WITH YOU AND YOU HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO MEET SEPARATELY, WE'LL TAKE THOSE AND REACH OUT TO

THOSE AND HAVE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING. >> CASTILLO: I ASK THAT QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN Y'ALL HAVE LAID OUT. THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING FROM FOLKS IN TERMS THAT IT IS A RUSHED PROCESS, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ENGAGE SOONER THAN LATER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE BEING BRIEFED TODAY AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS ARE, BUT WHAT I MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE SHARED WITH STAFF, THE RADIUS IN WHICH THE TAX WILL BE PULLED FROM, THE PFZ ZONE, THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITHIN THAT RADIUS THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO FEEL SOME TYPE OF ECONOMIC IMPACT IN TERMS OF INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE PALM HEIGHTS COMMUNITY, THE COLLINS GARDEN COMMUNITY FALL WITHIN THIS RADIUS, AND WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEM BEING TAXED, IT'S THE TAX BEING ABSORBED TO POTENTIALLY FUND PROJECT MARVEL, I THINK WITHIN THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETING IF YOU ALL CAN HIGHLIGHT AND WALK COMMUNITY THROUGH WHAT THAT ZONE IS AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR PROJECT MARVEL OVERALL.

>> WALSH: YEAH, THAT'S A DWRAIT IDEA. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE INCORPORATE THAT. COUNCILWOMAN, IS THERE -- IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE, DO YOU HAVE A -- FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

>> CASTILLO: I THINK WITH THE NEW COUNCIL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE'S

BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON. >> WALSH: RIGHT. >> CASTILLO: -- WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ONE ON ONE ALREADY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A

PUBLIC BRIEFING ON WHERE THINGS ARE AT. >> WALSH: NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANYBODY WHO IS NOT HERE

YET. >> CASTILLO: NO MAYORIAL CANDIDATE HAS HAD A

BRIEFING? >> WALSH: NOT ON THIS ISSUE.

NOT FROM ME. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> WALSH: COUNCILWOMAN, WHAT WERE THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE NEEDED

TO ALIGN. >> CASTILLO: THE VIA SILVER LINE AND THE

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR PROJECT MARVEL? >> WALSH: IS THAT IN YOUR

DISTRICT OR -- >> CASTILLO: YES. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. COUNCILMEMBER

MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'LL START OFF WE'LL HAVE A NEW MEMBER AND FOUR NEW COUNCILMEMBERS.

I FELT MY COMMENTS TO BE VERY CLEAR, BUT MY HIGHLY EDUCATED COLLEAGUE WHO

[03:00:06]

A HOUSING BOND, WE COULD DO ON OUR OWN, SO IT BRINGS ME TO THE THIRD THING, THE SPURS DO NEED TO CONTRIBUTE BEYOND A FRACTION OF THE ARENA COST. THEY NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE OTHER NEEDS THAT I LAID OUT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE IN HOW WE FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS.

WE ALSO NEED TO ENSURE AS MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT INFORMS OUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.

AND LASTLY, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE ABANDONED EAST SIDE COMMUNITY IS TANGIBLY PROVED AND THAT AGAIN, THE SPURS PLAY INTO THAT EFFORT.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?

I THINK THIS WAS. >> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I THINK THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY A VERY HELPFUL CONVERSATION. WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO FOLKS WHO ARE LISTENING IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT PROVIDES FOR A COMPREHENSIVE AND COHESIVE GROWTH PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY UNDER WAY. DO WE WANT TO TIE THEM ALL TOGETHER IN A COHESIVE VISION THAT MAMAKES DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO MORE INVITING FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND ALSO REALIZES SOME OF THE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS THAT WE HAVE, SUCH AS WE WANT TO SEE THE NEXT HOME FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS BE IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. IF WE CAN DO THAT, THE PROPOSED LAYOUT HERE AND THE FINANCING MECHANISMS OF THAT ARENA WOULD BE DERIVED FROM THE REVENUE PRODUCED BY THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS? DOES THIS OFFSET ANY OF OUR EXISTING PRIORITIES WITH RESPECT TO HOUSING OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER ELEMENTS OF THINGS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO IN THIS CITY? AND I'M VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU LAID OUT, BEN, IN TERMS OF HOW THIS FINANCING STRUCTURE CAN WORK.

AGAIN, USING THE REVENUES THAT ARE PRODUCED ONLY IF WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GUARANTEED IN THIS SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AGAIN, FOR ALL OF THE WORK, AND THE PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE ONGOING ACTIVITY WITH RESPECT TO THE FINANCIAL PLAN, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS. AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR ENGAGING SO WELL. THE TIME IS NOW 5:10 P.M.

ON THE FOURTH DAY OF JUNE, 2024 -- 2025, EXCUSE ME, AND B SESSION IS NOW ADJOURNED. WE'LL TAKE A TWO-MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH HAD BEEN SET FOR

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.