* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:04] I BELIEVE IT'S THREE O'CLOCK. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. PRESENT SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY MOOKA. HERE. GUEVARA. HERE, GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND, GIBBS AND FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. MAY WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS C THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, ACTING CHAIRMAN. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, AT THIS TIME WE CAN JUST DO APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MAY 21ST, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF MAY 21ST, 2025. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMMON. AYE. S AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. ZUKA AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. AND SO I'LL START WITH IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM ONE, WHICH IS THE PRIDE CULTURAL HY HISTORIC, EXCUSE ME, CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT. UM, THE FIRST IS JAMES POINDEXTER. UM, JAMES WILL GET SIX MINUTES. PHILIP BARINA IS ALSO HERE IN HIS YIELD AT HIS TIME. SORRY. FOUR MINUTES. JAMES, IF YOU WANNA STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. DO I NEED TO STATE MY ADDRESS? IT SAYS IT. I HAVE TO STATE MY ADDRESS. OKAY. JAMES POINDEXTER. 1420 WEST MAGNOLIA, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 1. I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU ALL APPROVE THIS. UM, PRIDE CULTURAL DISTRICT. THIS, UM, AREA OF TOWN HAS BEEN, UM, FOR DECADES, BEEN HOME TO LGBT INDIVIDUALS. IT'S HOME TO LGBT BUSINESSES. NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS HAD THEIR BIRTH IN THIS REGION OF OUR CITY. UM, THERE'S LGBT SPORTS THAT OCCUR DOWN THERE, UM, FROM EVERYTHING THAT'S OCCURRED DOWN THERE, FROM SOFTBALL TO VOLLEYBALL TO BASKETBALL IN THIS AREA. UM, THERE'S [00:05:01] CRITICAL SERVICES THAT HAPPEN. THERE'S LGBT DOCTORS IN THIS AREA. TEACHERS, UM, LGBT HOMES IN THIS, IN THIS AREA. OUR PRIDE PARADE HAS HAPPENED THERE CONSISTENTLY FOR THE LAST, UH, 22 YEARS. UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO OUR PRIDE FESTIVAL, WE HAVE, UM, FACILITATED ANIMAL ADOPTIONS. THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN MARRIAGES THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN FUNERALS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA. THERE ARE BUSINESSES ALONG THIS STRIP THERE THAT HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 40 PLUS YEARS. AND, UM, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR CITY. EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS CITY HAS SOME CONNECTION TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY AND, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS NECESSARY TO HAVE THIS MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY HAVE THIS, UM, RECOGNIZED STAKE IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR HISTORY. UM, FOR DECADES. WE ASK THAT WE HOPEFULLY GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PART OF WE, THE LGBT COMMUNITY IS PART OF THE FABRIC OF SAN ANTONIO, AND WE FEEL THAT, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, THIS DISTRICT CAN ONLY ENHANCE THE FLAVOR OF OUR CITY AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE SUCCESS OF OUR CITY MOVING FORWARD, UM, ECONOMICALLY, CULTURALLY, UH, AND CIVICALLY. SO I ASK THAT YOU ALL PLEASE, UM, SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY, SUPPORT MY COMMUNITY, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS PRIDE CULTURAL DISTRICT FOR 20 TO START IN 2025. UM, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAPPEN DURING PRIDE MONTH. AND, UM, WE HOPE TO HAVE, UM, UH, POSITIVE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY AS A RESULT OF THIS. UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THE NEXT IS MELISSA GOLDKEY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MELISSA GOKEY, 1 1 2 4 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE, 7 8 2 0 1. I ALSO AM HERE TO SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION OF THIS PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT FOR OVER 16 YEARS. AS A PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, I HAVE BEEN STUDYING THE EVOLUTION OF THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY IN SAN ANTONIO WITH A FOCUS ON THIS SPECIFIC AREA. AND I HAVE HELPED, UH, CONTRIBUTE THE DATA THAT I'VE GATHERED OVER WELL OVER A DECADE, UH, TO THIS REPORT TO REALLY MAKE THE CASE FOR THE RICHNESS OF THIS AREA AND HOW IT'S CONTRIBUTED NOT ONLY TO THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY, BUT TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE SAC ITSELF. AND THE SURROUNDING AREA WAS GROUND ZERO FOR THE COUNTER-CULTURAL MOVEMENT, AND THAT DOVETAILED WITH THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT AND GAY LIBERATION AND REALLY HELPED TO CEMENT THIS PARTICULAR AREA WITHIN THE CITY'S CULTURAL FABRIC. I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE THIS DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD MAKE SO MANY OF US FEEL A DEEP SENSE OF BELONGING, AN ENHANCED SENSE OF BELONGING THAT WE ALREADY FEEL FOR THIS CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO THAT WE'LL PLAY. SORRY, GOING BACK TO ITEM ONE. WE HAVE THREE VOICEMAILS ON ITEM ONE, SO WE'LL DO THOSE FIRST. MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE RECOGNITION. THE TOPEN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION WISHES TO COMMEND THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT PARTNERED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO COMPILE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT. WE HAVE FOR MANY YEARS SUPPORTED THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. CONSEQUENTLY, WE GLADLY ENDORSED THE CREATION OF THE PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT IN TOBIN HILL. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR GOOD WORK. HELLO EVERYONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS LUIS VASQUEZ. I USE HE, HIM PRONOUNS, AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SAN ANTONIO LGBTQ PLUS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND I'M ALSO A PROUD MEMBER OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REVITALIZED SA COHORT. I'M CALLING TODAY TO EXPRESS MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT AS WE CELEBRATE PRIME MONTH. THIS DISTRICT IS A TIMELY AND POWERFUL STEP FORWARD FOR OUR CITY. IT WILL SERVE AS A BEACON OF INCLUSION, SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE TO RESIDENTS, VISITORS, AND [00:10:01] THE WORLD THAT SAN ANTONIO HONORS AND CELEBRATES ITS LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY, AND THAT OUR CITY IS A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE IS WELCOME. THROUGH MY WORK ON THE REVITALIZED ESSAY PROJECT, WHICH FOCUSES ON HIGHLIGHTING THE NORTH MAIN AVENUE CORRIDOR, ALSO KNOWN AS THE GAY STRIP, I'VE SEEN THE GROWING MOMENTUM FOR REINVESTMENT AND RECOGNITION OF THIS AREA. SO ESTABLISHING A CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT WILL STRENGTHEN THE MOMENTUM AND ELEVATE OUR CITY'S REPUTATION AS A LEADER IN EQUITY AND ECONOMIC INCLUSION. YOU'LL SEE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, LGBTQ PLUS CULTURAL DISTRICTS LIKE THE CASTRO AND SAN FRANCISCO BOYSTOWN IN CHICAGO HAVE PROVEN TO BE PRIVATE ECONOMIC ENGINES. THEY ATTRACT TOURISM, GENERATE FOOD, TRAFFIC, AND SUPPORT A DIVERSE RANGE OF SMALL BUSINESSES. ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL BT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LGBTQ PLUS OWNED BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTE OVER 1.7 TRILLION TO THE US ECONOMY. ANNUALLY. THE DISTRICTS NOT ONLY REFLECT THE COMMUNITY'S IDENTITY, BUT THEY ALSO DRIVE INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, AND A LONG TERM ECONOMIC GROWTH. SAN ANTONIO DESERVES TO BE PART OF THAT NATIONAL CONVERSATION BY SUPPORTING THE PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT, WE OUR INVESTING IN A VIBRANT, INCLUSIVE FUTURE FOR OUR CITY. ONE THAT HONORS OUR PATH AND BUILDS TO SHARE PROSPERITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DR. SARAH AMS. BRO, I, MY ADDRESS IS 4 3 1 5 HILTON HEAD STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 7. I'M CALLING IN PROPOSAL TO PRIDE HERITAGE DISTRICT. I WANT EXPRESS WHOLE FOR THIS INITIATIVE AS A NATIVE SAN ANTONIAN AND AS A PROUD DAUGHTER OF THE TEXAS OR THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS. I'VE ALWAYS HELD A DEEP REFERENCE FOR OUR CITY'S RICH AND DIVERSE HISTORY. I'M ALSO A CLEAR LATINA, AND TO SEE THE SPACE DEDICATED TO PRESERVING AND HONORING THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY PEOPLE LIKE ME AND MY FRIENDS, IT'S PROFOUNDLY MOVING. THE DISTRICT REPRESENTS MORE THAN GEOGRAPHY. IT REPRESENTS LIVE STORIES, STRUGGLES, AND TRIUMPHS THAT HAVE SHAPED OUR CITY, BUT TOO OFTEN GO UN RECOGNIZED. ESTABLISH, ESTABLISHING THE PRIDE, CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT WILL BE A POWERFUL STEP TOWARDS TELLING A FULLER, TRUER STORY OF SAN ANTONIO WHEN THAT REFLECTS THE VIBRANCY AND RESILIENCE OF ALL ITS PEOPLE. I CELEBRATE THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT AFFIRMS THAT LGBTQ PLUS HISTORY IS SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. IT MATTERS THAT WE CREATE PLACES LIKE THIS WHERE EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, CAN SEE THEMSELVES REFLECTED WITH DIGNITY AND PRIDE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING SUPPORT AND NECESSARY RECOGNITION. MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 9 9 2. MOVING ITEM TWO. NOW. THIS IS KATE RUCKMAN FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1146 SOUTH ALAMO STREET REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 2 94 27 SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS CONCERNED WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE PROJECT TO THE UNESCO PROTECTED WORLD. HERITAGE BUFFER SURROUNDING THE SAN JUAN AS A BUFFER OF 100 FEET WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND WOULD ENSURE NO JEOPARDIZING OF OUR WORLD HERITAGE STATUS DUE TO ENCROACHMENT. THANK YOU. AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 9 3 0 3 CEDAR. HOLD ON EDWARD. SO WE HAVE A, FOR ITEM FIVE, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER. UM, JANE HENRY. MS. HENRY, IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM FOR ITEM FIVE. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. DOESN'T THE APPLICANT MAKE A PRESENTATION FIRST BEFORE YOU HAVE SPEAKERS? WE, WE HEAR ALL THE SPEAKERS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA FIRST, AND THEN IF COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL REVIEW, THEN THEY WOULD DO THAT. WHAT? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO THIS ITEM IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND SO WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR EVERYTHING ON CONSENT, AND THEN COMMISSIONERS CAN DECIDE TO PULL ITEMS FROM CONSENT. I THINK SO. WE CAN JUST GIVE YOUR COMMENTS NOW. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. SORRY FOR THE DELAY. MY NAME IS JANE HENRY. I'M PRESIDENT OF MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, [00:15:02] AND I'M HERE, UM, ADDRESSING ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WHICH IS THE, UM, I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING FOR A CHURCH AT NINE 10 EAST SOUTH CROSS BOULEVARD. UM, I AM HERE TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE H-D-R-C-O-H-P IS ALREADY REVIEWED THE CASE AND MADE CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT OUR BOARD AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT BEEN CONSULTED AT ALL BY THESE PEOPLE FOR ANY ASPECT OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, THIS PROJECT. AND THAT IS THE U USUALLY HOW IT'S DONE BY, UH, BUSINESSES DEVELOPERS, UM, MAKING PROPOSALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT ZONING THAT THEY COME TO US, BUT, UM, ABOUT DESIGN. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU REFER TO IN YOUR, UH, YOUR RESPONSE TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THEY MUST FOLLOW THE, THE GUIDELINES OF THE MISSION HISTORIC DESIGN MANUAL, UM, DISTRICT MANUAL. UM, AND I READ SOME OF THE 150 PAGES OF THIS THING, WHICH IS WAY MORE DETAILED THAN IS USUALLY PRESENTED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WE USUALLY GET MUCH MORE USER-FRIENDLY THINGS PRINTED OUT FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND SOME MEMBERSHIPS ALSO, UM, AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS CONSULTING WITH US, UM, AND WANTING TO OUR PARTICIPATION IN IDEAS FOR THIS. WE'RE ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN CONTACTED THE LEGACY FAMILIES ON BUSTILLOS AVENUE RIGHT BEHIND THEM, UM, OR ANYONE IN THAT MISSION, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND WE, IT'S JUST A LOT TO GRAPPLE WITH 150 PAGES OF HIGHLY DETAILED, INCLUDING TOILETS MORE THAN A, WHICH I'M, WHICH APPARENTLY RUN THROUGH THAT PROPERTY. AND, UM, IN, IN YOUR LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS THEY HAD, UM, MET SOME OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, NOT ON THE ARCHEOLOGICAL. AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH THAT, WITH THE SITE PLAN. UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A REALLY COHESIVE, UH, UH, SITE PLAN THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THE SETBACKS, ESPECIALLY IN PROXIMITY TO THE HOMES BEHIND IT. UM, THANK YOU MS. HENRY. IF YOU CAN WRAP IT. MY TIME IS UP. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY? NO, NO. WE HAVE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NINE. I'M SORRY. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 0 3 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 9 8. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION. EDWARD, THE OWNER AND ARCHITECT EDWARD. EXCUSE ME. EDWARD, WE'LL DO THAT ONE WHEN THAT CASE IS, THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. WILL I APOLOGIZE? OKAY. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR. NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE, AND NUMBER FIVE. ANY OTHERS? MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, EXCLUDING ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FIVE FOR, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE PULLED THEM FOR CLARIFICATION. IS THAT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, SIR. OKAY. WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE. SAVINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 94 27 SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR TEN ONE EIGHTEEN PARKVIEW, 8 7 5 EAST ASHBY 2046 WEST MULBERRY, 2101 WEST MAGNOLIA, AND TWO 40 EAST ELLWOOD. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF OR YOUR CASE MANAGER. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] OKAY. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, THIS IS SUBMITTED BY OHP, AND SO WE HAVE [00:20:01] STAFF HERE WHERE WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS OR, YES. OKAY. RECEIVE COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES. JUST SOME QUESTIONS. SO, WHO WROTE, LET'S SEE, IS THIS, UH, RACHEL OR MS. COLON? YES. ALRIGHT. CAN YOU TELL ME BRIEFLY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CULTURE AND LIFESTYLE IS? AS IT PERTAINS TO HISTORIC SETTING, UH, FOR DEFINITIONS? I WON'T GIVE AN EXACT DEFINITION ON THE RECORD, BUT ESSENTIALLY A CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT IS CELEBRATING AND RECOGNIZING THE LIVING COMMUNITIES AND VI VIBRANT CULTURAL SPACE WITHIN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA. RIGHT? BUT CULTURE AND LIFESTYLE, WHAT WERE YOUR GUIDING, WHAT WERE YOUR GUIDELINES FOR WHEN YOU WERE PRODUCING THIS? SURE. FOR THAT, I CAN BRING UP OUR CULTURAL HISTORIAN, GLORIA COLON BRAYA. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. MY NAME IS GLORIA NIA. I AM THE CULTURAL HISTORIAN. UM, TO RESPOND YOUR YOUR QUESTION, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CULTURE AND LIFESTYLE. CULTURE IS THE COMBINED EXPRESSIVE CUSTOMS TRADITIONS, IT INCLUDES MUSIC, IT INCLUDES CLOTHING, IT INCLUDES WAYS IN WHICH HUMANS HAVE COLLECTIVELY CREATED AND DESIGNED WHAT IDENTIFIES THEM AS A GROUP OF PEOPLE. SO LIFESTYLE, EVERYBODY HAS LIFESTYLES, BUT WE ALL HAVE CULTURE AS WELL. IN THIS CASE, THE CULTURAL IMPACT THAT THE LGBQ COMMUNITY HAS GIVEN TO SAN ANTONIO INCLUDES FOOD, MUSIC, SPATIAL USES, ARCHITECTURE, ART. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CULTURE, CLOTHING, DESIGN, HAIR, UM, ALL FORMS OF EXPRESSIVE CULTURE, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY AS A WHOLE WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT HEALTH STORIES. SO IT ALSO INCLUDES THE DIFFERENT SPACES THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT DIE. SO THERE ARE MEDICAL GROUPS THAT WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, L-G-T-B-Q COMMUNITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE L-G-T-B-Q COMMUNITY. SO THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP THE L-G-G-B-Q COMMUNITY THAT HELP THE YOUTH ALSO WORK WITH THE REST OF SAN ANTONIO TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEALTH, PHYSICALLY HEALTHY. AND BY HEALTH I MEAN MEDICINE. I MEAN HAVING A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. I MEAN, HAVING SPIRITUAL COMMUNITY AS WELL. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CHURCHES THAT WORK WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY. SO IT GOES BEYOND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT I HAD MENTIONED BECAUSE WE COULD TALK ALL DAY ALSO ABOUT FESTIVAL AND PARADE, WHICH ARE ALSO PARTS OF CULTURE. SO MY PHD'S IN FOLKLORE, SO I CAN TALK ABOUT CULTURE ALL DAY, BUT IT GOES WAY BEYOND THAT, CREATING FAMILY, WHAT'S CALLED FOUND FAMILY. WHEN YOU ARE CAST AWAY FROM YOUR HOME, WHICH IS, THERE ARE STATISTICS, I DO NOT HAVE THEM AT HAND, BUT I CAN BRING THEM UP IF YOU NEED THEM. UM, OF UNHOUSED YOUTH WHO ARE MORE PROPENT TO DYING, LITERALLY DYING ON THE STREET OR TO BE EXPLOITED ON THE STREET. AND SO HAVING AUNTS AND UNCLES THAT ARE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS, COMMUNITY ELDERS AND PEERS TO CREATE FAMILIES AND HELP EACH OTHER, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND CAN YOU ALSO, THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, FOLLOW ON QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT A SUBCULTURE IS AS IT RELATES TO CULTURE? YES. SO THERE ARE MANY SUBCULTURES OUT THERE. UM, TALK ABOUT SUBCULTURES SUCH AS THE PUNK SCENE, UH, WHERE PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE, I JUST CHOSE A RANDOM GROUP AS AN EXAMPLE. THINK ABOUT THE SEVENTIES AND AND EIGHTIES. THAT IS THE PUNK SCENE THAT SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM THE REST OF, OF SOCIETY AND, AND NOT REALLY SEPARATED, SEPARATED, BUT DID TO A CERTAIN POINT, UH, CERTAIN POINT. UM, AND THE, THE PUNK SCENE SPECIFICALLY REBELLED AGAINST SOCIETY AND DID [00:25:01] A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE COUNTERCULTURE THAT WERE THE OPPOSITE OF CULTURE AT THAT TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED A SUBCULTURE. WOULD YOU CONSIDER CHICANO A SUBCULTURE? I CHICANO IS A CULTURE. THANK YOU MR. SHARONS WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ENDORSEMENT OF THE PRIDE CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT THAT THE HDRC, UH, I GUESS PROVIDE THAT ENDORSEMENT WOULD BE THE MOTION. END OF MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. SO, UH, STAFF, I, I'M GONNA GONNA BEAT YOU UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE REPORT THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER, I DIDN'T SEE VERY MANY NA VERY MANY NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. IN OTHER WORDS, WERE THERE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE DISTRICT THAT WENT ON AND DID THINGS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS OR THE US? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALITIES IN THAT REPORT. THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, ITEMIZED THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, PARTIES AND EVENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE GREATER SOCIETY BY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT OR THIS DISTRICT THAT, THAT'S BEING, UH, PROPOSED HERE. UM, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I I, I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS PRESENTED. I THINK YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE TO ME, AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND MY EXPERIENCE SIGNALS SEPARATE BUT EQUAL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS ANYBODY? NO, NO STAFF. OKAY. I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING MARGINALIZED AND PUT INTO A BOX IN THIS DISTRICT LIKE THAT KIND OF BOXING PEOPLE IN SAYING THAT THIS IS A ZONE FOR THIS TYPE OF CULTURE OR LIFESTYLE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT IN MY EYES. I THINK, UH, THIS TYPE OF LIFESTYLE SHOULD BE SEPARATE, CELEBRATED ALL OVER, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN WHERE PEOPLE GO. UM, THAT'S MY TAKE ON WHAT YOU PRESENTED. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE RIGHT STEP. I THINK THE INTENT IS IN THE RIGHT STEP, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU LAID OUT HERE IS JUST A STEP TOWARDS SEPARATE BUT EQUAL. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD. UM, LET ME JUST KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A RESPONSE TO THAT. UM, WE RECOGNIZE CULTURE IN SEVERAL WAYS. UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OUR WORK THAT'S ONGOING FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL CONTEXT STATEMENT. AND SO THAT IS KIND OF A DEEP DIVE INTO THE CULTURAL CON CONTRIBUTIONS OF A GROUP CITYWIDE. AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO RECORD AND DOCUMENT, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IN SAN ANTONIO AND WHAT SPACES AND PLACES CONTRIBUTE TO THAT GREATER CONTEXT. HERE SPECIFICALLY, WE AREN'T DOING A CULTURAL CONTEXT STATEMENT CITYWIDE FOR L-G-T-P-Q. UM, WE WERE ASKED BY COUNCIL DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO DEVELOP A CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT. AND SO A DISTRICT BY DEFINITION IS GOING TO BE A GEOGRAPHIC CONCENTRATION OF THE PLACES AND SPACES THAT ARE EXEMPLARY OF THIS CULTURE. AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED. NOT TO SAY THERE ISN'T MORE WORK THAT COULD BE DONE, AND SOME OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS PROJECT HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, AND I THOSE ARE REFERENCED IN THE REPORT, BUT THE DISTRICT ITSELF HAS SORT OF A GEOGRAPHIC CENTER. UM, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE TASK AT HAND. THANK YOU. I JUST THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF AWARENESS, RAISING AWARENESS AND SIGNIFICANCE AND THE FROM THE CONTRA OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAN TO JUST BOXING THEM IN. AND I THINK A GEOGRAPHICAL BOX IS WHAT YOU'RE STARTING TO CREATE HERE. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. MR. QUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I, I, I WANNA, UH, MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BECAUSE I REALLY, REALLY WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, AND, AND IN, IN A WAY AGREEING WITH COMMISSIONER JIMMY, BUT IN THE LARGER PICTURE OF HOW OUR, OUR WORLD EVOLVES IN THIS WAY, UM, THAT MAKES THINGS LIKE THIS IMPORTANT. UM, VERY INTERESTING AS A MEXICAN AMERICAN SO MANY TIMES AS A LEADER IN THE CHICANO COMMUNITY, THE QUESTION IS TO WHETHER A CHICANO'S A CULTURE OR A SUBCULTURE, IT'S VERY EXCITING TO GET INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION THAT IN REALITY HAS NO ANSWER. AND, AND EVEN GREATER THAN THAT IS HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO CONSTANTLY BE GIVEN THESE QUESTIONS, BE GIVEN, THESE QUESTIONS TO VALIDATE. AND, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE HUMAN BEINGS AND WE COMMUNICATE, UH, UH, KNOWING, UH, UH, PHILIP AND, AND JOHN, AND HAVING WORKED WITH THEM IN MANY DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE WORLD, UH, OF SAN OF, OF OUR CITY ONLY TAKES ME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, I WAS [00:30:01] BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO. SO FOR PEOPLE THAT VISIT, THEY DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHERE THEY ARE, BUT WE KNOW THE AREAS THAT HAVE EVOLVED, THE WAY THAT THEY'VE EVOLVED, OUR FRIENDS, THOSE THAT WERE HERE IN THE SEVENTIES AND THE EIGHTIES, THAT HAD FRIENDS THAT THAT THAT, THAT WERE LOST TO, TO, TO AIDS. AND NOT THAT THERE'S A CORRELATION NECESSARILY, BUT, BUT WITHIN THE CULTURE, WITHIN THE CULTURE THAT EVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY AND THE NEED TO, TO PRESENT, UH, YOURSELF AS A, AS A VALID IDENTITY AND ALL THE RIDICULOUSNESS THAT GOES ON ALONG WITH BEING A HUMAN BEING AND HAVING TO SUBCLASS YOURSELF OR, OR SUBCULTURE YOURSELF AND GROW TO BE A CULTURE, AND THEN TO, TO PROVE THAT YOU'RE VALID. IT'S, IT, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TODAY. SUCH AN IMPORTANT, UH, UH, UH, MESSAGE THAT, THAT WE SEE HOW MUCH OF THE WORLD TODAY IS HAVING TO LEGITIMIZE WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, MEXICAN AMERICAN OR AN IRISH AMERICAN, OR A MEMBER OF THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY. UM, SOMEHOW IN THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF IT ALL, WE END UP WITH A VERY PROACTIVE AND A VERY POSITIVE, UM, HUMAN PHENOMENON THAT IS OUR IDENTITY AND IS OUR CULTURE. AND THAT RATHER THAN DEVOLVE AND, AND, AND, AND HATE, WE, WE CHOOSE TO CELEBRATE AND TO REMEMBER. SO I, I, I WANNA O OPEN THE MIC PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I, I DO WANNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DECISION. IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE THAT I KNOW. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND, AND THAT IN RETURN, I KNOW LOVE ME. UM, AND, AND IN THAT, UM, WE, WE HOPE FOR THE BEST, WE HOPE FOR THE, THE FINEST DEVELOPMENT, THE MOST PROACTIVE AND MOST POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT. AND ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT JIMMY'S ASKING IN TERMS OF, OF LIFESTYLE VERSUS, UH, CULTURE. WELL, I THINK, UH, UH, ONE ANSWER IS THAT WE ALL HAVE A LIFESTYLE, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT A CULTURE. BUT WHEN YOUR, WHEN YOUR WORLD HAS BEEN FORCED TO STRUGGLE, IT'S OUTPUT, ITS OUTCOME IS THAT YOU GAIN A CULTURE. AND, UM, WHEN YOU FIND A POSITIVE WAY TO EXPLOIT THAT CULTURE, WE CELEBRATE THAT. SO, UM, ALL, ALL THE MORE, UM, UH, UH, GREAT EXPECTATIONS FOR, UM, ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR LGBT COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT IT, IT, IT ISN'T, UM, FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT, BUT TO, UM, TO JOIN HANDS AND TO, UM, AND TO SHARE IN WHAT EACH OF US ARE GONNA AGREE IN THE END IS, IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS A WHOLE. ALRIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? COULD, COULD I MAKE A COMMENT CHAIR? OH, YES. UM, I, I THINK TO, TO THE COMMENT THAT THIS, UM, THIS MAYBE BOXES IN A CULTURE OR A PEOPLE, I THINK IT DOES THE OPPOSITE IN OUR COMMUNITY NOW, IS IT FORMS A FORMAL RECOGNITION AND AWARENESS OF A CULTURE THAT HAS BEEN BOXED IN INTO A PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I, I THINK THAT THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NOW THE CULTURE TO RADIATE BEYOND ANY ARTIFICIAL WALLS OR ANY ARTIFICIAL BOUNDARIES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUILT AROUND WHERE THEY FELT COMFORTABLE IN CREATING AND IN THRIVING WITHIN THEIR INDIVIDUAL CULTURE. SO I THINK THAT IT SHOWS A GOOD SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT WE ARE SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS A CERTAIN CULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU AS A COMMUNITY TO GET BEYOND JUST THIS DISTRICT TOO AS WELL. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMON. AYE. SABINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES ABSTAIN. HOLLAND. AYE. AND VET SIR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MR. CHAIR. BE BEFORE WE, UM, GET THE PRESENTATION FOR NUMBER FIVE. I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER FIVE, THAT, UH, WELL, COMMISSIONER, YOU GONNA PULL THIS FOR COMMENTS REQUEST. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. HEAR HER FIRST. YEAH. MR. [00:35:01] CHAIRMAN, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I DID HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS WELL AS FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT. SO IF THE APPLICANT CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME. EDWARD HERNANDEZ. UM, MR. HERNANDEZ, UM, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERNS REGARDING WHAT THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION YES, SIR. HAD COMMENTED ON. AND, UM, HAVE YOU OR ANYONE IN YOUR TEAM REACHED OUT OR HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANY OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSISTANT? WE HAVE NOT ABOUT THIS. HAVE NO. OKAY. AND MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? THAT THEY DO THAT? NO, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVER BE DISCOURAGED AND OFTENTIMES ENCOURAGED. NOW, I CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY THAT I RECALL ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO DO SO. UM, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE, BUT IT, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS LARGE PARCEL, UM, THAT'S, UH, UNDER GOING TO GOING TO UNDERGO A GREAT AMOUNT OF REDEVELOPMENT, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A WISE THING TO MEET UP AND TO INFORM OR EVEN TO ENGAGE WITH, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT HEARING SO THAT YOU CAN MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? SURE. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE END OF MY QUESTIONS. SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES, SIR. UH, IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH RESPECT TO, UH, RELIGIOUS, UH, PROPERTIES THAT, UH, OR PROPERTIES OF ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORD TO SAY, IS RELIGIOUS PROPERTIES, RIGHT? THAT'S A WEIRD WORD OR WEIRD WAY TO PHRASE SOMETHING, BUT THAT WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY, SAY THE ARCHDIOCESE OR THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHY, WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT? THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON RECORD AS A CHRISTIAN CENTER. IS THAT, THAT IT'S NOT A CHURCH. UM, THIS PROPERTY'S LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. UM, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT NOTES, AND, UH, SOMEBODY JUMP IN, IF I MISSPEAK, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT NOTES THAT WITHOUT PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT, A RELIGIOUS, UH, A PROPERTY OWNED BY A CHURCH OR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION CAN'T BE DESIGNATED AGAINST THEIR WILL. UM, BUT THAT, THAT DOES NOT PREVENT A DESIGN REVIEW OR A REQUIREMENT FOR A PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IF THE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY ZONED HISTORIC OR LOCATED WITHIN A DESIGN REVIEW OVERLAY. JUST JUMP, SORRY, IT'S NOT REAL, BUT IT IS, UH, MISSION DISTRICT JUST FOR, OKAY. OKAY. NOW, NOW, EDWARD, IF UM, IF THE PROPERTY IS, IF THEY WERE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN, IT, I MEAN I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLIES TO THE ALL PROPERTIES, REGARDLESS IF IT'S OWNED BY A CHURCH OR IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR WHATNOT, IT'S ZONED HISTORIC. OKAY. OKAY. I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE LAW PERTAINING TO RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS ONLY IMPACTS THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. SO FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED, WE'RE GOOD TO GO FOR NEW PROPERTIES GOING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, IT COULD IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT NOW. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER SABINO, I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS SOME QUESTIONS. YEAH, SORRY. THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO JUST TOUCH BASE ON, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS CITIZEN THAT SPOKE. I APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT. UM, AND THERE MAY BE MORE COMMENTS, BUT BASED ON WHAT SHE MENTIONED, I THINK WE HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED BETWEEN THE LAST, UH, MEETING HERE AND TODAY, UH, IN REGARDS TO SEIA, WE DID GET AN APPROVED, UH, DIG, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG THAT, UH, RESULTED IN, IN NO HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION OR ITEMS THAT WERE OF CONCERN. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT SHE LIVES BEHIND THE PROPERTY. UH, THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL BE ACTUALLY AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S ACTUALLY FACING, IT'S FURTHEST FROM THAT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, [00:40:01] UH, UH, ZONING BEHIND US. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE FRONTING THE, THE, THE SCHOOL. THERE'S A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET. UH, SO I KNOW THAT THOSE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE OF HER CONCERN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT THAT NOTE AS PART OF THE RECORD. SO MM-HMM . THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM ON ANY OTHER CONCERNS THEY HAVE. SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING OF THE HDRC IN ORDER FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM THAT CAN MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SURE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA COMMENT SOMETHING IF I CAN. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUPS. I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. I'M JUST NOT, UM, IT IS, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES. I SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WITH ANY STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY. OF COURSE WE ALWAYS RECOMMENDED, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO SAY, OKAY, WE MOVE FORWARD. 'CAUSE REALLY THE RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. STAFF, THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS. THEY'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY DONE THE ARCHE ELECTRICAL ARCHEOLOGY, YOU KNOW, STUDY. SO, I MEAN, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I JUST FOR FUTURE, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REQUIRE. WE CAN RECOMMEND IT AND WE COULD PUT IT AS A STIPULATION. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. MOOKA? AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLAND AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 9 8 3 0 3 CEDAR STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR STRUCTURE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT AND CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 956 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT FEATURING A TWO TWO CAR GARAGE STUDIO AND PORCH. NUMBER TWO, UM, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS REQUEST PER THE APPLICANT, SO WE WILL NOT BE REVIEWING NUMBER TWO AT THIS POINT IN TIME. NUMBER THREE, INSTALL DIRECT DECORATIVE IRON GUARD RAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH, STAIRS AND RAMP AND A STEEL FENCE AND OPERABLE STEEL VEHICULAR GATE AT THE SIDE YARD SET FULLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE NUMBER FOUR, INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY 140 SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE PROVIDING COVERAGE OF NEWLY PROPOSED RAMPS. NUMBER FIVE, INSTALL SEVERAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS TO INCLUDE RIVER ROCK. RIVER ROCK AT THE FRONT AND SIDE YARDS. DECOMPOSED GRANITE IN THE REAR YARD AND SIDE YARD RAISED BEDS, VARIOUS PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE LOT. UH, UH, AN APPROXIMATELY 1050 SQUARE FOOT BRICK PAVER MOTOR COURT AT THE REAR OF THE LAW AND A BRICK WALKWAY LEADING FROM THE STREET TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR STRUCTURE, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS AND ALSO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE AS MUCH EXISTING MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING WOOD SIDING AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS. AND SPECIFICALLY THE PUNCH 10 SCONCE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE FOR REUSE ON SITE RESELL ORIGINATION AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FINAL DRAWINGS AND ALL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE SIDING, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, INSTALLATION DETAILS, COLUMN DETAILS, SIDING SPECIFICATIONS AND MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS OF THE EXTERIOR DOOR AND GARAGE DOOR SELECTIONS AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED. STAFF RECOMMENDS WE ARE SKIPPING THAT ONE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT FOR REVIEW. UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. YES, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL DECORATIVE IRON GUARDRAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH, STAIRS AND RAMP, AND A STEEL FENCE AND STEEL VEHICULAR GATE AT THE SIDE YARDS. UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DESIGN DRAWINGS OF THE IRON GUARD RAIL AND PROPOSED GATE AND FENCING, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL A 140 SQUARE FOOT REAR PATIO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS OF THE COLUMN DETAILS AND STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF SPECIFICATIONS. AND LASTLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL SEVERAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, UM, TO INCLUDE WHAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED AND, UH, APPLICANT CAMERON SMITH HERE IS TO, UH, IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. JUST STATE YOUR NAME. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S CAMERON SMITH. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR 3 0 3 CEDAR STREET. UM, WE HAVE, UH, MET WITH [00:45:01] THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY BOARD VERY RECENTLY, JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, UM, AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT WHEN WE PROCEED WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT, UH, THEY TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE RAISED PLANTERS WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR THE LANDSCAPE. UM, WE UNDERSTOOD THEIR CONCERNS AFTER SPEAKING WITH THEM ON MONDAY AND WE DO NOT INTEND TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, ELEMENT IN OUR DESIGN. AND I THINK THAT KIND OF COVERS THE GENERAL CONCERN. WE UNDERSTAND. I'M, I'M SORRY, MAY I MENTION SOMETHING? I, UM, FAILED TO UH, MENTION THAT THERE ARE, THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR UM, MATERIALS THERE AND WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. UH, MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL? THANK YOU. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 0 3 CEDAR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 0 9 8. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION WITH THE OWNER AND ARCHITECT AND CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL EXCEPT FOR AN ITEM REQUESTED IN NUMBER FIVE. ONE OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF RESIDENCE IN THIS BLOCK OF CEDAR STREET ARE PORCHES RAISED ABOVE GRAVE. THE ARCHITECT'S INTENT IS TO TERRACE THE FRONT YARD WITH THE RAISED STEEL PLATE PLANTER TO REDUCE THE APPARENT HEIGHT OF THE PORCH FLOOR ABOVE GRADE. THIS WILL ALTER THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AND ADD A SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT THAT DID NOT HISTORICALLY EXIST. ADDITIONALLY, THE STEEL PLATE UP AGAINST THE EXISTING WOOD FOUNDATION SKIRT WILL PROMOTE ROTH AS MOISTURE WILL BE TRAPPED BETWEEN THE STEEL AND WOOD. THREE RECENT CASES IN KING WILLIAMS 3 28 MADISON, FIVE 15 WICKS AND 6 34 SEATER WHERE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED RAISED FRONT YARD PLANTERS WERE DENIED BY THE HDRC AND CCAP DEEMED TO BE INAPPROPRIATE. THE PROPOSED RAISED PLATE STEEL PLANTERS BEDS ALONG THE FRONT OF 3 0 3 SEATER ARE NOT APPROPRIATE AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, Y'ALL HAVE PULLED THE REQUESTS ABOUT THE WINDOWS? CORRECT. OKAY. WE, UH, AFTER SPEAKING WITH STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON OUR EXACT REQUESTS BECAUSE THIS HOUSE DOES HAVE AN ADDITION AND SO THERE WAS INDICATION THAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS MAY BE APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR REPLACEMENT. BUT WE NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER STUDY ON THAT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, YOU INTEND NOT TO PUT THE RAISED STEEL PLANTERS AT THE FRONT, AT THE PORCH? CORRECT. THE OWNER WILL BE ENGAGING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND UM, OUR DESIGN PLAY THERE IS TO REALLY INTRODUCE, UH, DROUGHT RESISTANT PLANTS, CREATE A LOT OF TEXTURE, UH, AND INTEREST IN THE FRONT OF THE YARD. WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THE PLANTERS TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND UH, STAFF'S OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'RE OKAY WITH? YES. ALRIGHT. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I'D BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE APPROVE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. NUMBER ONE, STAFF STIPULATIONS, APPLICANT'S REQUEST NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND NUMBER FIVE WITH STAFF, STAFF STIPULATIONS LESS THE METAL PLATE RAISED TERRACE IN THE FRONT. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DOES THAT COVER? THAT COVERS STAFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. EVADO AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA TODAY, SO THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.