* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD AFTERNOON [3:00 PM – Call to Order] EVERYONE. TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW MEETING TO ORDER. TODAY IS JUNE 18TH, 2025. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON PRESENT. SAVINO VELAZQUEZ. PRESENT. GALLOWAY PRESENT MAZUA. HERE. GIDA GROUP PRESENT CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. PRESENT. FETZER. HERE. AND GIBBS. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM J MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THAT SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK CERTIFICATES FOR APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC RESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, THE FIRST OUTTA MY BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 4TH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 4TH, 2025, UH, MEETING MINUTES SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MAZUA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, SCREEN. WE HAVE 10 ITEMS ON CONSENT. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL ITEMS SCHEDULED TODAY. SO JUST A REMINDER, CONSENT MEANS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS EITHER AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS OR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. UM, WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS. UM, SO THE FIRST IS IN PERSON FOR ITEM SIX, JANE HENRY. MS. HENRY, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND DID YOU WANT TO LEAVE? YOU JUST WANNA INDICATE YOUR SUPPORT AND NOT, YEAH. OKAY. SO, UH, JANE HENRY DID SIGN UP IN SUPPORT BUT DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE COMMENTS. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE. HI. I AM CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ITEM, UH, 3 3 9 9 3 4 2 41 EAST FRENCH PLACE. MY NAME IS KATE ROGERS AND I LIVE AT ONE FRENCH COURT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE PROPERTY. I'VE ADMIRED THE ORIGINAL HOME FOR YEARS WHILE WALKING MY DOG AS IT STANDS OUT ON THE STREET WITH ITS HISTORIC CHARM PRESENCE IS ESPECIALLY NOTABLE WITH MANY PROPERTIES AND DISREPAIR IN THE AREA. I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO MEET JOHN CAMILLA AND COTTON AND LEARN ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR THE HOME. IT'S GREAT NEWS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS TAKING THE TIME AND MONEY [00:05:01] TO WORK WITH AN ARCHITECT SENSITIVE TO HISTORIC CONTEXT AND STRUCTURES IN SAN ANTONIO. I REALLY LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINK THE PROJECT IS A SIGN OF GREAT CARE AND ENERGY IN THE AREA. THANK YOU. BYE. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? YES. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WISH TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TWO. ITEM NUMBER TWO. ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ALSO PULL ITEM FOUR AND ITEM UM, SIX. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, PLEASE, SIR, FOR THE BALANCE OF THE, UM, OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, EXCLUDING ITEM FOUR AND ITEM SIX AND ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO. UH, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKO AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1118 WEST FRENCH PLACE, 1602 BROADWAY, 3 48, THOMAS JEFFERSON, FIVE 11 LABOR COMMONS, 5 0 2 MADISON, 2 41 EAST FRENCH, AND 2 22 KING WILLIAM. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF, OF STAFF OR YOUR CASE MANAGER. UH, YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, AND NEXT WE'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, AND BEN BARTON FROM THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO IS HERE, UH, IN PERSON AND CAN SPEAK ON THAT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? BEN BARTON, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION, SAN ANTONIO ZOO. I'M DALE AUSTIN, UH, ARCHITECT WITH SUNLAND GROUP AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON THE PROJECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE AN EXCITING PROJECT AND PROBABLY WELL OVERDUE. UH, FOR THE, FOR THE UH, CORAL LAB QUESTION THOUGH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE IS A VERY TALL PARAPET THAT, UM, I THINK COMPETES WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT PARAPET? OTHER THAN DECORATIVE? UH, WE DO PLAN ON HAVING SOME ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND SO WE WERE GONNA USE THAT TO HELP DO VISUAL SCREENING. IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT TALL? UH, PROBABLY NOT THAT TALL. WE HAVEN'T SIZED IT YET, BUT IT'LL BE TYPICAL DX ROOFTOP UNITS. OKAY. UM, LOOKING AT THE, SAY THE BOTTOM IMAGE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARAPET KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE CORNER, UM, TO HIDE SOME EQUIPMENT. UM, AND JUST WONDERING IF, UM, WE COULD PUT A STIPULATION ON HERE TO COME BACK OR AT LEAST REVIEW WITH STAFF THE FINAL PARAPET HEIGHT AND DESIGN BASED ON EQUIPMENT SELECTED? YES, THAT'D BE FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YES, SIR. UM, I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT, UH, THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT ONCE SELECTED, UH, AND UH, DETERMINING THE FINAL PARAPET HEIGHT, UH, COMES BACK TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND ACCEPTANCE. UM, AND IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE, UH, I ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO A DRC WHERE WE CAN TALK MORE IN DEPTH WITH THE EQUIPMENT SELECTIONS AND, AND WHAT THE FINAL DESIGN IS. I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, YES SIR. I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO ADD TO THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT THAT THERE, [00:10:01] THERE ISN'T A, A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THE, THE PROPORTION, UH, AS PRESENTED LOOKS PROPER. SO EVEN IF THE EQUIPMENT IS TALLER AND IT NECESSITATES THAT AS A SOLUTION, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY A SOLUTION. SO IN, IN TERMS OF THE DRC AND, AND ALL OF THAT, THAT, THAT, IF THE EQUIPMENT SAYS THAT THIS HAS TO BE THAT TALL, THEN IT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME OTHER ARTICULATION TO, TO THE, TO THE WALL. THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S SOME RIBBON CHANGE, SOME ELEVATION CHANGE. I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, AND, AND ASKING TO BE PUT ON THE, ON THE MOTION, BUT THAT, UM, STAFF BE VERY, UM, UM, SENSITIVE TO WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. AND THEN COMMISSIONER FE FETZER, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. IF, LET'S JUST SAY THE EQUIPMENT REQUIRES HIDING SOMETHING. THING IS, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT NEEDS TO BE A FOOT TALLER. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A REALLY BAD SOLUTION RIGHT THERE. IT'S A BAD EXCUSE BECAUSE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OTHER ARTICULATION TO A HEIGHT. WELL, LET ME WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND MAKE A NEW MOTION TO, UH, BRING THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE EQUIPMENT SELECTIONS AND THE PROPOSED PARAPET HEIGHT AND DETAILING. I'LL SECOND. SURE. PERFECT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO HOLD ON. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO IT WAS NOT AN APPROVAL OR DOES IT OR IS IT STILL AN APPROVAL, BUT THEN JUST ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL DRC FOR THE PARAPET? UH, ONCE THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN PICKED, UH, NO, I WITHDREW THE APPROVAL AND SEND IT TO DRC FIRST. CAN WE GET A DATE? UH, AS SOON AS THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, MAKE THE EQUIPMENT SELECTIONS AND, UH, FURTHER DEVELOP THEIR DESIGN? SO IT'D BE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S SCHEDULE. SO WOULD IT BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING, NEXT AVAILABLE THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR US? SURE. WHAT, WHEN WAS THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING? THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING WOULD BE TUESDAY, THE, I GUESS 24TH. YEAH, AS SOON AS NEXT WEEK. THAT, BUT WE CAN, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE FASTER THAN, YEAH, WE CAN TAKE MORE TIME IF WE NEED TO. WE'RE READY. BUT WE, WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY BE BACK WITHIN THE MONTH. OKAY. WORK WITH EDWARD AND, AND STAFF TO RESCHEDULE THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE NEXT ITEM. UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I DON'T NEED THE APPLICANT TO COME UP. SO FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, IS THE APPLICANT AGREEING TO EVERYTHING, INCLUDING SEPARATING THE CARPORT FROM THE HOUSE? YES. OKAY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY QUESTION. SO, UM, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA, OH, EXCUSE ME. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES AYE. YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU FOR THE NEXT ITEM. THIS IS ALSO JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, SO FOR ITEM SIX, UM, WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS MET WITH THE APPLICANTS? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THE APPLICANT, EDWARD HERNANDEZ IS HERE. YOU CAN COME BY PLEASE. THANK YOU. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR? UH, YES. UH, EDWARD HERNANDEZ. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT AND I DID HAVE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH MS. HENRY. UM, SHE SEEMED TO BE, UH, IN, IN POSITIVE LIGHT OF IT, BUT SHE [00:15:01] CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF, IF SHE NEEDS TO. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UM, FOR THIS, THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AND, AND OR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT. SO IS OR IS THAT CORRECT? BY MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED AND I I'VE ANSWERED HER, HER GRIEVANCES WITH THE ISSUES SHE HAD, SO THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? NO. I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE. AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. WE ARE ADJOURNED. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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