* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, JULY 2ND, 2025. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THIS STORE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAM. SAVINO HERE. VELAZQUEZ. I, UM, GALLOWAY HERE. MOOKA? HERE. RA. HERE. GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES HOLLAND. HERE. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FEER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITION. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. [ Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of June 18, 2025.] THANK YOU AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UM, AT THIS TIME WE JUST NEED, UH, ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 18TH. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 18TH, 2025. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SABINO AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] OKAY. AND IF YOU CAN NOW, UH, DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UH, WE HAVE JUST FIVE ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST THREE ARE IN CONSENT, UM, AND WE DO HAVE VOICEMAIL, UH, VOICEMAIL AND COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. SO WE'LL PLAY THAT AT THIS TIME. ITEM NUMBER 1 9800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD. THIS IS BETTY BOUCHER ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, SOCIETY REMAINS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT BADGE AND ID BUILDING 1322. ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THIS INSTANT APPLICATION, THE MID-CENTURY MODERN STRUCTURE FEATURES AN EXQUISITELY DESIGNED WAVE-LIKE FOLDED PLATE ROOF. WE URGE THE CITY TO FIND A WAY TO RETAIN THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY IT. IMPORTANT DESIGN THAT RECALLS THE YEARS WHEN SAN ANTONIO EMERGED AS A MAJOR AMERICAN CITY. ITS SMALL SIZE AND LOCATION MAKE IT REASONABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE NEW TERMINAL. WE TRUST THE SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH INSTRUCTS APPLICANTS TO BE FLEXIBLE AND SEEK CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT MEET PROJECT NEEDS WHILE AVOIDING MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO HISTORIC PROPERTY, WILL AID THE CITY'S DECISION. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO [00:05:01] LEWIS VEDER PRESIDENT. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF NO ITEMS ARE PULLED, I'M MOVED FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA WITH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. BEEN MOVED. IM PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 9,800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD, 2 28 LAVACCA AND 7 1 7 BURLESON STREET, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER OR A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU. ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HTRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 15 8 8 3 8 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO ONE CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY 605 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY REAR ADDITION. TWO. REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ON SITE WITH ONE OVER ONE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THREE. MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN BY INFILLING ONE FRONT DOOR OPENING. RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 605 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH EYE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE, EXCUSE ME. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE EXISTING ROOF. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT STALL 1 0 5 WOOD SIDING OR LAPPED FIBER CEMENT WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND A REVEAL TO MATCH THE HISTORIC SIDING ON SITE TO INCLUDE AN OFFSET OR A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE TO DISTINGUISH THE ADDITION FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW, UM, AS DESCRIBED FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL STA SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE IN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND WHOLESALE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND J THROUGH M. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON SITE AND REPAIR AND KIND. ITEM THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FRONT DOOR INFILL BASED ON FINDING A AND N STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE HISTORIC FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION AND REPAIRING KIND THE APPLICANT. IVAN SOLIS IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER FOR COMMISSION REVIEW AND ONE IN PERSON SPEAKER. UM, IVAN, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK THE APP, UH, WALK THE COMMISSION TO YOUR CASE. UM, I TURN TO MIKE, PLEASE, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS IVAN SOLIS AND, UM, WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING 8 3 8 EAST MAGNOLIA. THIS IS MY CLIENT, MICHAEL SALAZAR AND MY PARTNER FRED PEREZ. AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ATTEMPT TO DO IS, UM, RECONSTRUCT 8 3 8 EAST MAGNOLIA TO AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO HISTORIC AS WE CAN, UH, WITH, UM, PRE-APPROVED WINDOWS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM THAT WE'VE USED ON OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, THAT HAVE, UH, PASSED THROUGH THE OHP AS WELL. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE MY PICTURES OF MY WINDOWS? SO THESE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT I'VE, UM, PRESENTED TO OHP, UM, THAT I'VE USED IN OTHER HISTORIC AREAS AND HAVE BEEN PRE-APPROVED THAT MEET THE CONDITIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY LISTED. UM, AND THE REASON I WANT TO USE, OBVIOUSLY NEW WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY'RE DOUBLE PAYING, UH, GAS INSULATED MORE EFFICIENT. AND, UM, THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE VERY BRITTLE, UM, AND WE HAVE TO REPOSITION THEM AND IT, IT, IT IS JUST NOT, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENT ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO ACCOMPLISH THE HOUSE FOR, FOR, UM, FOR MICHAEL. SO [00:10:02] WE, YOU KNOW, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, THE COMMITTEE, UH, VOTING ON FAVOR FOR REPLACING THE WINDOWS AS FAR AS THE RIDGE, UM, THE, THE RIDGE HAS ALREADY BEEN, UM, DEVELOPED BY THE ARCHITECT AND, UM, IT'S AT A 45 RECLINE SO THAT YOU CANNOT SEE FROM THE STREET VIEW, IF IT'S FROM THE STREET VIEW VISIBLE, IT'S GONNA BE AT, AT ABOUT A FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH I ALSO HAVE, UM, JUST A SMALL MOCKUP OF IT. SO THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ACTUALLY RIGHT OVER TO THE RIGHT OF OUR, OF, OF OURS. AND, UM, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE THERE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE NOWHERE NEAR, UM, WITH THE RIDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWS WE CHOOSE LIKE THAT. SO THE ONE THAT I DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE? NO, YEAH. ON THE RENDERING. SO THE ARCHITECT, UH, DREW UP THE PLANS SO THAT THE, THE RIDGE LINE MOVES TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S NOT HIGHLY VISIBLE AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING WITH HIS, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UM, A BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN MEET EVEN, UH, THE, THE OVERHANG AND THE EVE SO THAT IT MATCHES THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, JUST FOR THE CONSISTENCY OF, UM, OF THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE AT HAND. ALSO, UH, THE 1 0 4, THE 1 0 5 SIDING THAT WAS, UM, DISCOVERED ON THE OUT, UM, UNDERNEATH, UH, THE WAFFLE BOARD, UM, IS IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION. SO WE'RE GONNA RUN WITH THAT. AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO, TO USE A, A, UH, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? UH, THE ONE 17? NO, THE ONE, OH, THE 1 0 5 THAT WE DISCOVERED. UM, BUT YOU WANT US TO PUT A DIVIDER? YEAH. SO A PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, ADDING A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE TO DISTINGUISH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THE LATER REAR EDITION. CORRECT. SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UM, USE THE 1 0 5 AND RUN IT CONCURRENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SIDE THROUGH ALL THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE. AND WE WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THAT, THAT DIVIDER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, A SEAMLESS ADDITION AND NOT IDENTIFY OR SEPARATE, UM, OUR NEW VERSUS OLD. SO, UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE ONTO, ONTO THIS BUILD IS TO HAVE IT AS HISTORIC AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT IT, UM, UH, LOOKING MODERN IN ANY WAY. JUST HAVING THE EFFICIENCY WITH THE WINDOWS. IS THAT IT SIR? UM, OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO THE, THE, THE, THERE'S, UM, WE HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS AND, UM, MR. BRYANT EXPLAINED TO ME THE HISTORIC PART OF IT. UH, THERE, THERE WAS AN ENTRY INTO A, A VISIT, A VISITOR'S ENTRY, AND THEN, UH, THE ACTUAL HOMEOWNER ENTRY, BUT THEY'RE BOTH SIDE BY SIDE, UH, WHICH, UH, FOR MY HOMEOWNER MAKES NO SENSE OF HAVING TWO FRONT DOORS AT THE FRONT DOOR. UM, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, UH, DELETE AND THEN JUST HAVE THE 1 0 5 SIDING COME AND, YOU KNOW, AND FILL THAT IN AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT PRESERVED, UM, HISTORIC LOOK AS WELL. YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE, THE RENDERING OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE ROOF LINE WOULD LOOK LIKE. I SENT IT TO HIM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S UM, GOT IT OR NOT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THIS IS MICHAEL SALAZAR, BY THE WAY. HE'S, UH, THE HOMEOWNER AND, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING AS WELL. I, I BASICALLY THE MIKE, IT'S UP TO THE MIC PLACE, SIR. I'M SORRY, IT'S UP TO THE MIC SO WE CAN, OH, I'M SORRY. UH, MY POINT OF VIEW IS I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'M NOT JUST GONNA GO IN AND, AND RENOVATE THE PROPERTY AND, AND TURN AROUND AND, AND, UH, SELL IT OR ANYTHING. I, I'M REALLY AM CONSIDERING FIXING IT UP TO WHERE IT, IT WOULD BE LIVABLE FOR ME. UM, I DO WANT TO HAVE IT AS ENERGY EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. UM, UH, AND I DO WANT TO HAVE IT LOOK AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE TO, TO COINCIDE WITH THE ORIGINAL, UH, SIDING THAT WAS ALREADY ON THE FRONT OF THE FRONT, FRONT PORTION OF THE HOME. UH, SO I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE IT AND CARRY, CARRY THAT SAME LOOK THROUGHOUT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, [00:15:01] NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, SO WE HAVE A IN-PERSON SPEAKER, PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. OKAY. YOU PERSON, SPEAKER, IT'S BARBARA WHITTELL. YEAH, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WHITTELL, 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE, RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, UM, UH, THIS IS A, A LETTER FROM OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE, RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CASE 20 25 1 5 8 8 38 EAST MAGNOLIA. UM, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESERVATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT. WE THANK OHP STAFF FOR THEIR CONTINUED EXCELLENT WORK AND REVIEWS AND ATTENTION TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UH, UH, PRESERVING AND, UM, PROTECTING SAN ANTONIO'S IMPORTANT HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST A LETTER IN THE FOLDER, RIGHT? UH, YES, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER FOR Y'ALL. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIR? I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. UM, REGARDING THE FRONT DOOR, THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR IS, UH, IS THERE SOME EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THAT THAT FRONT, THE STREET FACING DOOR IS AN ORIGINAL? UM, NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S A COMMON CONFIGURATION WITHIN SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT FEATURE A STREET FACING DOOR WITH A DOOR FACING THE, UH, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE, FACING THE WEST. UM, THE, GO AHEAD. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, THE APPLICANT REFERS TO, UM, OR REFERENCES A NEIGHBOR'S ADDITION WHERE WE SEE A STREET FACING GABLE PEEKING OVER A SIDE GABLE ROOF IN THE FRONT. UM, THAT VOLUME IS CLEARLY AN ADDITION. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS BUILT? I'M NOT AWARE OF WHEN THE ADDITION WAS BUILT. UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS A NEWER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S LIKELY THAT IT RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR WAS BUILT PRIOR TO ANY PERMIT REVIEW. UM, I'M NOT AWARE THOUGH. MM-HMM . UM, IN YOUR, UM, MONITORING OR VIEWING OF THE STREET AND EVEN SURROUNDING BLOCKS, UH, DO YOU SEE ANY MORE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WITH A GABLE PEEKING OVER? ARE THERE ANY MORE EXAMPLES? I I'M NOT AWARE. I I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UM, INFORMATION ON MY END TO MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE YES OR NO ON THAT. UM, I'M, I'M UNCERTAIN ON THE PARTICULAR REAR ADDITION ROOF FORMS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND 'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY HOW THEY POP UP IS FROM ADDITIONS AND SOMEBODY SIMPLY WANTING THE TALLER ROOM. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, REGARDING THAT EXAMPLE WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITION, DO, DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE ADDRESS IS ON THAT ONE? UM, IN THIS CASE IT'S, UH, DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR. SO THIS IS 8 34 EAST MAGNOLIA. OKAY, SIR. YES. QUESTION FOR STAFF. Y'ALL MADE A, UM, SIDE VISIT TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS. COULD YOU MAKE A REPORT ON THOSE PLEASE? YES. UM, AND I CAN PULL UP THE FINDING FOR IT. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, AS NOTED IN FINDING JAY, SO STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON JUNE 24TH TO ASSESS THE EXISTING WINDOW CONDITION AND FOUND THAT ALL WOOD WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR REPLACEMENT ARE IN GOOD CONDITION. UH, THE WINDOWS ON SITE ARE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR IN KIND REPAIR. UM, SO JUST TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, UM, THE WOOD MEMBERS AS FAR AS, UH, OUR SITE VISIT CONCLUDED WAS THAT THE WOOD MEMBERS ARE IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. UH, THERE IS SOME LIGHT SANDING REPAIR WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, UH, A LOT OF THE, UH, WINDOW WEIGHTS WERE REMOVED, UM, SASH CORDS WERE BROKEN, BUT THOSE CAN ALSO ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION TOO, ON THE WINDOWS. SO THE WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS AN APPROVED WINDOW. RIGHT. UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT OHV HAS APPROVED THIS WINDOW IN THE PAST. UM, I AM AWARE OF US APPROVING THIS WINDOW AS AN IN-KIND ALUMINUM WINDOW REPLACEMENT FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT THAT SPEC, IT DOESN'T MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS AS WE HAVE IN THE STIPULATIONS? CORRECT. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF A HISTORIC WOOD WINDOW? IT WOULD REQUIRE COMMISSION REVIEW. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS AN ADDITION ADDED ON, RIGHT? SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK? IS THERE A PLAN FOR THOSE? UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT [00:20:01] HAS SOME MORE ELABORATION ON THAT, I THINK. YEAH, QUESTION ON THAT. SO, AS YOU KNOW THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE HISTORIC AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AHOLD OF. SO IN OUR ADDITION, WE ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN WINDOWS AROUND THE BACK, UH, IN WHICH WE PRESENT. HOW MANY WINDOWS ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BACK? UM, THERE IS ONLY ONE WINDOW, UM, ON BACK NOW. OKAY. 'CAUSE YOU'RE DEMOLISHING THAT LITTLE, THAT FOOT'S ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT IS CORRECT. NON-ORIGINAL. THAT WAS, UM, A PREVIOUSLY BUILT, UM, UH, CLOSED IN, UH, DEN. AND, UM, SO THOSE ARE SCREENS, UM, THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THAT BACK CORNER. IT'S NO, NO ACTUAL WINDOW. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU, YOU SAID YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER RENDERING FROM THE STREET VIEW, HOW MUCH WE WERE ABLE TO SEE OF THAT ADDITION? THE GATE? YEAH, I THOUGHT I SENT, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS ON MY PHONE, UM, WHICH I SENT IN. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. UM, AND MEANWHILE, SO DID, IS THIS SPECIFIC TO THAT DOOR? BECAUSE THE DOOR YOU WANNA INFILL IS THE DOOR THAT'S STREET FACING, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. AND ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S THE DOOR THAT'S ACTUALLY THERE ACROSS THE STREET? YEAH, OR NEXT DOOR? NEXT DOOR IT HAS THE WAY THAT WE WOULD WANT FOR IT TO LOOK. SO IT'S, UM, A STREET DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THEN IT HAS ANOTHER SIDE DOOR, AND THE SIDE DOOR IS THE ONE THAT WE WANT TO KEEP. THAT'S OUR MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE LIVING ROOM. AND THE SIDE DOOR WOULD, SO THIS, THIS HOUSE HAS BOTH DOORS, IT JUST NO, IT HAS, UM, JUST THAT, THAT THAT STREET DOOR THERE? YEAH. SO YOU'RE DOING THE OPPOSITE, THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. YOU WANT, YOU DON'T WANT THIS DOOR, YOU WANT THE OTHER ONE? WE, WE, EXACTLY, YES. IS THERE AN OPTION FOR YOU TO KEEP THIS DOOR? THAT ONE LEADS INTO A BEDROOM. I KNOW, BUT LIKE FROM THE EXTERIOR, THAT'S WHAT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE USING THAT HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE TOO, SO YEAH, WE'RE USING THAT HOUSE FOR AN EXAMPLE, FOR THE PEAK, UM, ON THE RIDGE. SORRY, BEAR WITH ME. I HAVE A LOT OF EMAILS HERE. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE IT THERE? YEAH. OKAY, THANKS. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING, IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE, JUST A, JUST A LITTLE GATE. YES MA'AM. HOW MUCH IS YOUR PLATE HEIGHT FROM THE, IN THE NEW ADDITION VERSUS WHAT'S EXISTING? IT'S GONNA BE AT UNDER TWO FEET ABOVE, ABOVE THE, THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING RIDGE. BUT WHAT'S YOUR CEILING HEIGHT IN THE ADDITION VERSUS FOOT AND THEN AND THE ORIGINAL. AND IT'S GONNA BE ALL EIGHT FOOT THROUGHOUT IT'S ORIGINAL ATION. IT'S THROUGHOUT. IS IT BECAUSE IT'S INCLINING OR WHAT, WHY DOES IT CREATE THAT? UH, BECAUSE OF THE SPAN FROM, UH, THAT CENTER POINT IS LARGER THAN THE FRONT. OKAY. SO, SO THAT IT CAN MEET OUR, UM, EXTERIOR, I'M SORRY. SO IT, SO THAT IT CAN MEET OUR, UM, EXTERIOR, UM, UM, OVERHANG TO THE EXISTING OF THE HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW, WE CAN FOLLOW THE EXISTING PART OF THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE FURTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTION. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WE'VE HAD OTHER CASES WHERE, UH, HOW SMALL HOUSES, UH, HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS OR TWO DOORS OFF THE FRONT PORCH. AND UM, I KNOW ONE CASE SPECIFICALLY IN RIVER ROAD, UM, THE DOOR THAT THEY WANTED TO REMOVE, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED LEAVING THE DOOR IN PLACE, FIXING IT ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN USING YOUR SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE, BUT THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE WOULD REMAIN, WOULD LOOK THE SAME AS IT DOES NOW. AND WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? I PREFER NOT TO, I'M SORRY. I, I SURE PREFER NOT TO. UM, JUST, JUST THE AESTHETICS OF, OF THE, OF THE SITUATION. UH, I, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS TO BE ABLE TO SHEET ROCKET ON THE INSIDE, I JUST, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD PREFER TO, TO REMOVE IT AND HAVE JUST THE ONE ENTRY DOOR WHICH ACTUALLY FACES TO THE EAST. RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THE, UM, CHARGES OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE, UH, AT LEAST OUR CHARGES, THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE. AND IT OBVIOUSLY HAD TWO DOORS ORIGINALLY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I, I MIGHT ADD TO THAT IF I CAN. UM, ON THE INTERIOR WE DID [00:25:01] REMOVE THE SHEET ROCK AND THAT DOOR IN SPECIFIC HAS A TWO BY SIX HEADER BOARD IT, AND IT'S THE ONLY DOOR THAT HAS THAT, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS ADDED ON AFTER THE FACT. UM, ALL OF THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE HAVE A TWO BY FOUR THAT IS LAYING FLAT ACROSS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT TO CODE NOW, BUT THE TWO BY SIX, UH, HEADER OVER THE TOP IS SO, LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS ADDED ON AFTER THE FACT. OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT TWO BY SIX HEADER DOOR HEADER WITH YOU ON YOUR PHONE? UM, I SUBMITTED, UM, A LOT OF PICTURES OVER TO, UM, BRIAN TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS THAT OR NOT. I CAN PULL UP WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PHOTO OF AN INTERIOR DOOR OR IS IT STILL EXPOSED? LIKE IF WE WERE TO DO A SITE VISIT, YOU STILL HAVE THAT EXPOSED? YEAH. IS THE OTHER, UM, DOOR THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP, HAS THAT HEADER BEEN EXPOSED? YES, IT, IT HAS. OKAY. AND THAT'S AN ORIGINAL. OKAY. WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO, UM, HAVE US A SITE VISIT WITH THE COMMISSION? ACTUALLY. OKAY. SO IF THERE NO OTHER QUESTION, ONE FURTHER QUESTION. FANTASTIC SIR. ABOUT THE WINDOWS AGAIN, ARE THEY THE TYPE, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, ARE THEY THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT SIT FLUSH WITH THE OUTSIDE WALL? ARE THEY RECESSED TWO INCHES OR WHATEVER THE STANDARD? SO, UM, THAT WINDOW CAN, UM, CAN BE EITHER, UH, RECESSED OR FLUSH MOUNTED. SO WE CAN, IT SERVES AS DUAL PURPOSE ON THAT ONE. SO IT COMES WITH THE FLANGE THAT CAN BE REMOVED SO THAT WE CAN, UH, EITHER RECESS IT, PUT IT IN THE CENTER OF THE TWO BY FOUR, UM, TO UH, HAVE IT GIVE IT THE AESTHETIC LOOK OF, UM, THE HISTORIC WINDOW, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND WE WOULD, UM, ONE BY THE WHOLE TRIM OF THE INSIDE WINDOW SILL AND THEN PUT THE ONE BY FOUR AND THEN ONE BY SIX OVER THE HEADER SO THAT IT CAN MATCH, UM, THE HISTORIC LOOK. GO AHEAD MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, I MOVE TO SEND THIS TO A SITE, UH, DRC, SECOND EARLIEST CONVENIENCE, SECOND MOVED PROPERTY, SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. I HAVE A COMMENT. SO I WOULD SAY THE FOCUS ON THAT SITE VISIT JUST FOR YOU GUYS IS, UM, LET'S REVIEW THOSE FRONT DOOR, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS. I DO WANT YOU TO CONSIDER KEEPING ONE OF THEM AT LEAST THE STREET FACING WOULD PROBABLY LOOK MORE HISTORIC. UM, BUT IF WE FIND IT NOT JUST START THINKING THAT WAY. AND THEN SECOND IS ON THE WINDOWS, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE LIKE ONE WINDOW BY WINDOW TO LOOK AT IN AND, AND REALLY WE'VE DONE THIS FOR YEARS, RIGHT? SO WE CAN SEE WHICH ONES CAN BE, AND I THINK YOU NEED TO, UH, WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND ANOTHER TYPE OF REPLACEMENT, MORE LIKE AN ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD REPLACEMENT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEET EXACT CONDITIONS AND THE STIPULATIONS, JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT IN MIND TOO. FOR THE SITE VISIT, I DID SUBMIT THE SPECS ON IT AND THAT IS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW AND IT IS AN ALUMINUM WOOD CLA THAT MEETS ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS. YEAH, SO IT'S ALSO IN THAT TWO AND UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO OR THREE EIGHTHS AROUND THE SASH. I THINK IT'S THE MATERIAL BECAUSE IT'S BEING ALL ALUMINUM. SO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, I MEAN YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED TODAY. AND THEN, UM, I THINK THE RIDGE HEART IS SOMETHING THAT ALSO CAN BE CONSIDERED THAT SITE VISITS SPECIFICALLY FLANK FROM THE FRONT, WE LOOK AT IT. SO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A VISUAL OF THAT. I THINK THAT WAS, UH, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON IN THAT SITE WE SEE. GOOD. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT FOR, UM, THE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THAT SITE VISIT, OR THE NOW AND THE TIME YOU RETURN TO THE COMMISSION. UM, REGARDING THE ROOF HEIGHT, THE ROOF RIDGE HEIGHT ON THE ADDITION, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND YOUR DESIGNER TO LOOK AT SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS WHERE THEY'RE SLIGHTLY CHANGED SO THAT YOU CAN CREATE A ROOF FORM THAT WILL FIT COMPLETELY BEHIND THE ORIGINAL ROOF. UM, THIS IS A, IT'S A COMMON CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE A SMALLER VOLUME, BUT WE WANNA ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE, ESPECIALLY WIDTH IN THE BACK. AND IT ALWAYS, IF YOU PUT IT UNDER ONE ROOF FORM, IT WILL ALWAYS PROTRUDE. SO, UH, WORK WITH YOUR DESIGNER AND LOOK AT WAYS TO PERHAPS NARROW THAT VOLUME BY PULLING SOME THINGS BACK. MAYBE SOMETHING CAN, UM, EXTEND A COUPLE MORE FEET IN THE, ALONG THE BACKSIDE SO IT DOES NOT, UM, INHIBIT THE GARAGE ACCESS. UM, BUT WORK WITH THEM. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN CHAT ABOUT IT AT THE SITE VISIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. UM, ONE, ONE OTHER SINCE WE'RE GOING OVER EVERYTHING ON, ON THE SIDING WAS THE ONLY HESITANCY THE VERTICAL, UH, STRIP? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. JUST THE [00:30:01] VERTICAL STRIP THAT'S GONNA SEPARATE FROM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SORRY. YEAH, JUST I THINK THAT IT AESTHETICALLY IS GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER IF IT'S SEAMLESS AND WE DON'T IDENTIFY, UH, THAT ACCOMPLISH THAT VERY WELL TO, UH, WHERE IT'S GONNA LOOK AS AN ORIGINAL BUILD. WHAT THAT 1 0 5? YES, BUT WE LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S AN ADDITION, WHAT'S A HISTORIC ORIGINAL? SO, SO THE, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS AND THEN OKAY. YES, YES. STAFF IS, IS THERE, IS THERE, UH, A SIZE FOR THAT TRIM? IT'S NOT SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? IT'S GENERALLY JUST LIKE A ONE BY FOUR. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT IF . SURE. OKAY, SURE. UM, JUST TO HOPEFULLY INFORM THE SITE VISIT A LITTLE MORE, THERE IS A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS THE SIDE FACING DOOR ONLY, BUT IT ALSO HAS MORE WINDOWS THAT ARE FRONT FACING. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRAMING AS EVIDENCE, LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER HEADERS OR ANYTHING IN THAT WALL THAT COULD INFORM WHERE WINDOWS SHOULD GO. THERE'S NOTHING OKAY. IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE ANY HEADERS. NO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY HEADERS. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HEADERS. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO, UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE, UM, CALL FOR A VOTE FOR THIS IS THAT I JUST WANT TO ECHO, YOU KNOW, WHAT MOST OF MY COMMISSIONERS THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID HERE. I, I HEARD A LOT IN HERE ABOUT WHAT YOU DESIRE TO DO AND WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE. SO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, ON ITEMS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR, THINGS OF NATURE. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, DECENT WINDOWS THAT THIS NEED TO BE REPAIRED, YOU HAVE A HISTORIC HOME. SO I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THE UDC AND HOW THE, UM, GUIDE DESIGN GUIDELINES WORK. SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WORK WITHIN THOSE INSTEAD OF JUST WANTING TO MAKE JUST CHANGES. I MEAN WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WOOD WINDOWS, THE SINGLE PANE ARE NOT THE MOST ENERGY EFFICIENT. WE GET THAT. BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO HELP MITIGATE THAT. SO INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, OKAY, I WANNA COME AND REPLACE THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM THAT THEY COULD BE REPAIRED. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO LEAN TOWARDS TRYING TO KEEP THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, FOOTPRINT OF HOUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND IF SOMETHING IS DAMAGED AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. SO JUST GET THAT IN MIND. SO, OKAY. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UM, REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I DO WANNA STATE THAT THERE ARE UM, A HANDFUL OF A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES ON THE SAME, ON THE SAME STREET THAT UM, HAVE BEEN RENOVATED, HAVE NEW WINDOWS, HAVE GABLES, UM, PEEKING OVER, UH, ORIGINAL LINES AND ALSO A BRAND NEW BUILD. UH, THAT'S A TWO STORY ON THE CORNER SOON AS YOU TURN INTO MAGNOLIA FROM DEWEY STREET. SO ALL THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED THERE AND UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. WE ARE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND BRING THAT JUST UP TO AN EFFICIENCY PAR NOT TO CHANGE STRUCTURAL, UH, OR UM, ENHANCE IT IN ANY WAY. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MODIFY IT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER EFFICIENTLY, UM, AND KEEP THE SAME TASTE AND THAT MID-CENTURY FEEL FOR THAT PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMMON. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET WITH STAFF. SO SET THE TIME FOR YOUR, UM, THANK YOU REVIEW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE HDRC CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 1 53 2 93 LAVERA BOULEVARD. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO. ONE INFILL TWO EXISTING SIDE DOORS WITH STONE TO MATCH HISTORIC STONE CLADDING ON SITE TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF AND THREE, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL BLACK METAL FENCE WITH A PEDESTRIAN GATE AND A DRIVEWAY GATE SPANNING THE FRONT DRIVEWAY ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INFILL OF THE TWO SIDE DOORS AS PROPOSED TO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE MIDDLE DOOR BE INFILLED AND THE FURTHEST DOOR BE PRESERVED. REPLACEMENT OF THE FURTHEST DOOR WITH A WINDOW WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE. THE WINDOW SHOULD ADHERE [00:35:01] TO THE ADOPTED WINDOW STANDARDS. ANY INFILLED STONE SHOULD MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND COLOR AND PROFILE. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE STIPULATION THAT THE STAINING STEAM METAL ROOF FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE WITH STAFF'S. UH, GENERAL RECOMMENDATION ON THAT STAINING STEAM METAL ROOFS. ITEM THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE AND GATES INSTALLATION BASED ON THE FINDINGS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A BLACK METAL FENCE AND GATES WITH A SIMPLE DESIGN. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A SITE PLAN FOR THE FENCE AND GATES INSTALLATION FOR STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THREE, THAT THE FENCE AND GATES DO NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS FOR COMMISSION REVIEW AND BEFORE WE BEGIN, THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE REQUEST FOR STAINING STEAM METAL ROOF REPLACEMENT AND HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL INSTALL A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF IN KIND, UH, REQUEST ITEMS ONE AND THREE REMAIN UNCHANGED. UM, AND THE APPLICANTS ARE, UH, HERE VIRTUALLY. YES, I HAVE MADE JOCELINE A PANELIST. UM, JOCELINE YOU'LL HAVE TO UNMUTE TO PRESENT AND THEN THERE'S A UM, 6 1 9 NUMBER. UM, AND SO THE CALLER WILL NEED TO HIT STAR SIX IN ORDER TO UNMUTE. JOCELINE, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? YES, I'M HERE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. UH, HASAN WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. I'M SO SORRY. I THINK WE MADE A MISTAKE HERE. HE'S GONNA BE SPEAKING ABOUT OUR HOUSE. OKAY. I DON'T IS HE THE CALLER? THE 6 1 9 NUMBER? UH, YES. UM, HE WILL NEED TO HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE STAR SIX. HASSAN PLEASE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME WELL. YES. AMAZING. UM, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'RE GOING TO WITHDRAW OUR REQUEST FOR THE METAL ROOF. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE ROOF WITH IN KIND SHINGLE. UH, ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO THE FENCE, UH, WE CAN FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT I JUST MENTIONED WHEN IT COMES TO THE FENCE. UM, AND WE CAN SUBMIT THAT DRAWING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE DOORS, WE WOULD LOVE TO ACTUALLY INFILL BOTH OF THESE DOORS. UH, THE DOOR IN THE BACK THAT IS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO, UH, SWITCH IT TO A WINDOW. IT'S ACTUALLY, IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT AFTER THE FACT. THIS WAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE HOUSE AND THEY ADDED THAT DOOR. BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS WE WANTED TO FILL BOTH DOORS JUST TO KEEP THE AESTHETICS OF THE HOUSE, UH, MUCH BETTER. WHEN YOU HAVE STONES THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME STONES 'CAUSE WE HAVE MORE OF THOSE, UH, THE HOUSE IS JUST GONNA LOOK MUCH BETTER AND THAT DOOR GETS YOU INTO A ROOM AND THERE'S ALREADY SHEET WALK BEHIND IT. SO THERE IS NO USE FOR THAT DOOR AT ALL. WE DON'T SEE ANY VALUE OF HAVING THAT DOOR BEING THERE. AND APART FROM NOT SEEING THE VALUE, ALL THE FRAMING OF THE DOOR IS IN A VERY, VERY BAD SHAPE. SO WE WOULD RATHER TAKING THAT OUT AND JUST DOING IT IN A MUCH BETTER WAY WITH STONES THAT ARE EXACTLY LOOKING LIKE ALL THE OTHER STONES IN THE HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT WE, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR. OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. IS THAT, IS THAT ALL YOU WANNA PRESENT TODAY? SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? BASICALLY, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION SIR? SO, UM, WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. ARE YOU GOOD TO GO? YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE WANT TO DO ACTUALLY LIKE THE REST. WE'RE GOOD WITH THE REST AND THIS IS THE ONLY REQUEST THAT WE HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. UM, SO WE HAVE LETTERS IN A PACKET, BUT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION? UH, I DO. MR. CHAIR, UM, FOR STAFF IS IN THIS PACKAGE. ONE THING THAT I'M MISSING THAT WILL HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE AND WHERE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN PLAN IS A BUILDING PLAN. IS THERE ONE IN HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A FLOOR PLAN. UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, I SEE THE SANDBORN. SURE. YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE THE SANDBORN MAP SHOWING THAT THERE'S BEEN A, UM, THE TWO SIDE, UM, INTRUSIONS THERE ON SCREEN. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE YEAR OF THIS SANDBORN? UM, THIS, [00:40:01] SO THIS PROPERTY FIRST APPEARS ON THE 1951 SANDBORN MAP. IT, IT WAS NOT PRESENT IN THE 38. YEAH, I WOULD PREFER A A, A FULL PLAN OF THE HOUSE JUST TO SEE HOW THOSE ROOMS WORK IN THE BACK. THERE ARE OTHER WINDOWS, ET CETERA. AND HOW THAT DOOR, THOSE ORIGINAL DOORS THAT WE'RE SEEING FIT INTO THE ORIGINAL, I GUESS THE CIRCULATION ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UM, A PHOTO YOU JUST DISPLAYED AND THAT IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT THE STONE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YES. SO STAFF, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, PUT OUT OUR, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN. UM, AND WE TOOK A PHOTO OF THE SINCE. SO AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, THE APPLICANT'S REMOVED THE STONE CLADDING. UM, AS, AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN NOW WE HAVE ISSUED A COA FOR STONE CLADDING REPAIR. UM, I THINK IT WAS REPOINTING SPECIFICALLY. AND SO THIS IS A LITTLE BEYOND SCOPE. UM, AND SO WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS GOING BACK AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY OR I GUESS WHAT CORRECT. SO, UH, WE ARE REMOVING SOME OF THE STONES. WE, MOST OF THE STONE WAS CRACKED. SO WE ARE REMOVING IT TO PUT IT BACK THE SAME WAY THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WITH BASED ON THE COA THAT WE WERE APPROVED FOR. SO WILL THIS GO BE REPLACED WITH THE STONES IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING? SO THE STONES ARE GONNA GO BACK INTO, WITHIN THE SAME PATTERN, WITHIN THE SAME, THE SAME WAY THAT THEY WERE. 'CAUSE MOST OF THE STONES WERE CRACKED AND WE HAD BIG OPENINGS ON THE WALLS. UH, SO THIS IS WHY WE REQUIRE, MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY WERE FALLING APART, SOME OF THEM WERE FALLING APART. SO THIS IS WHY WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THEM, TO RE-PUT THEM IN A BETTER WAY, BUT WELL, THE SAME EXACT HISTORICAL WAY THAT IT WAS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT IT IS SECURED ON THE WALL. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE EIGHT. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH ONE IS THE DOOR THAT'S BEING REMOVED OR PLANNING? SURE. SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO INFILL BOTH DOOR OPENINGS ARE, SO BOTH OF THEM CORRECT, BUT BOTH OF THEM, UH, THE FAR, THE FIRST ONE IS ACTUALLY ON THE SANDBORN RUN. RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ORIGINAL OR WHICH THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING ABOUT BEING AN ADDITION. WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE ADDITION? WE THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE ARE SEEN ON THE SANDBORN. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO LITTLE JOG OUTS THERE TODAY. THERE'S, THERE IS A REAR ADDITION, IF NOT MULTIPLE ADDITIONS THAT ARE TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE BEYOND THAT. UM, AND WHAT IS THE, IS THERE ANY UM, AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S THE APPLICANT. COULD IT BEEN THAT HAS A WINDOW AT ONE POINT OR IS IT THE DOOR? DO WE KNOW THAT FROM THE FRAME? BOTH OF THEM ARE DOORS THAT ARE FUNCTIONING. YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE ANY WINDOWS. THESE WERE DOORS. THERE ALWAYS BEEN DOORS. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, TO STAFF, YOU'RE APPROVING A FENCE WITHOUT A SIDE PLAN AND THERE'S REALLY CURRENTLY LIKE, UM, THERE'S NO FENCE. I MEAN I CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A FENCE BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. ARE WE NOT ASKING THAT TO THE APPLICANT OR, YES. SO ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A SITE PLAN OR A A FENCE SITE PLAN. UM, THE APPLICANT'S INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO REPLICATE THEIR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET'S FENCE, UM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A FOUR FOOT TALL METAL ROD IRON FENCE, UM, SPANNING THE, THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE GATE. IS THAT SOMETHING COMMONLY FOUND ON THIS BLOCK? IT IS NOT. UM, SO THE ALMOS PARK TERRACE HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES FEATURE SOME, UM, BLOCK FACES WITH FRONT YARD FENCING. HOWEVER, FOR THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK FACE, UH, THE PROPERTY SHOWN ON SCREEN HERE AT 2 9 2 LARA BOULEVARD DOES HAVE THE FENCE, UH, FRONT YARD FENCE AND UM, IT'S THE ONLY ONE ON THAT BLOCK. OKAY. I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTION. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOUR MOTION, UM, THIS IS FOR STAFF. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THE FRONT F SIDE WHERE ALL THE BRICK WAS WERE REMOVED AND WE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU UM, ALSO, UM, DID A COA AND WHERE IT WAS JUST TO DO REMOVE JUST TO CRACK ONES OR WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DID I HEARD YOU SAY COREY? THAT THEY WENT A LITTLE BIT FAR ON THAT. SO WHAT WAS THE COA FOR? HAD IT PULLED UP JUST A SECOND AGO? LET ME GET THAT AGAIN. SHOULD BE IN MY DOWNLOADS FOLDER. [00:45:04] UM, WHAT IS WRITTEN IS REPAIR EXISTING STONE BY REPOINTING AND RESETTING FALLEN STONE. AND SO BRIAN YOU CLARIFY, BUT I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WAS JUST REPAIR OF THE ONES THAT HAVE FAILED AND NOT FULLY KIND OF REPLACING EVERYTHING. NOT THAT THEY'RE BEING REPLACED. I THINK SALVAGE STONE IS GOING BACK. UM, AND THEN HASSAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING ANY MISSING STONE WITH MATCHING STONE? IS THAT THE IDEA? DEFINITELY. SO, UH, THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE STONES WERE NOT TOUCHED. THE STONES IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WERE NOT TOUCHED ALSO BECAUSE THEY WERE IN A GREAT SHAPE. HOWEVER, THE STONES ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ONE, THEY, THEY HAD A LOT OF CRACKS AND YOU CANNOT FIX ONE SECTION AND LEAVE ANOTHER SECTION THAT IS NOT FIXED. SO THE WAY THAT YOU NEED TO DO THE STONES IS BY EITHER LINING EVERYTHING FROM THE GET GO OR YOU JUST PATCH IT. AND WE DID NOT WANT TO DO PATCHING WORK, SO WE TOOK IT DOWN AND MOST OF IT WERE CRACKED. WE TOOK IT DOWN AND WE'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK THE SAME WAY. WE'RE NOT USING ANY OTHER STONES, WE'RE USING THE SAME EXACT STONES THAT WE HAVE AND WE'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK USING THE SAME MORTAR AS WELL. BETWEEN ALL THE STONES, SAME COLOR, SAME EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP. I'M READY FOR YOUR MOTION. OKAY, SO FOR ITEM ONE, I MOVE AS, AS MR. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS BEEN, UM, REDRAWN. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE HAVE A SITE PLAN. AND WHEN WOULD THAT CONTINUANCE BE? UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING OR UNTIL THEY PROVIDE, I MEAN UNTIL THE CLIENT, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S JUST A FENCE. SO BASICALLY THE APPLICANT COULD WITHDRAW IT AND COME BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, A DESIGN. IT'S NOT A SIDE PLAN I'M ASKING FOR, IT'S JUST A DESIGN AND WHERE IT'S GOING. OKAY. STILL A SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. I JUST WANNA ADD, UM, I DO, WHAT I'M DOING IS RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S FOR THE INFILL OF THE SUIT SIDE DOORS. IF IT'S THERE ORIGINALLY, I THINK, UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK WITH MORE PROOF OF, YOU KNOW, PHOTOS OF THE INSIDE OR FINDINGS SHOWING THAT THEY WEREN'T ORIGINAL. I MEAN AS OF NOW WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE, THEY ARE ORIGINAL AND SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED. THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, SEALED FROM THE INSIDE, BUT I MEAN THEY SHOULD STAY IN PLACE AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. UM, AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT APPROVING A FENCE WHEN THERE'S ONLY ONE PROPERTY. I MEAN, WE DON'T COMMONLY APPROVE FULL FRONT FENCES ALL THE WAY UP. WE DON'T COMMONLY DO THAT. AND I KNOW THIS PROPERTY ALSO HAS LIKE A FRONT FACING GARAGE, SO I, MAYBE THE OTHER PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S A CORNER PROPERTY ON THE OUTSKIRTS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD SEE WHERE THAT FENCE IS GOING BEFORE APPROVING THAT. YEAH, I I THINK LOOKING AT GOOGLE STREET VIEW MIGHT HELP. IT'S THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT WHICH IS INFORMING THE RECOMMENDATION HERE. 'CAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT, LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE JUST DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY WITH A SITE DESIGN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT THAT UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT FENCING PLACE IS COMPARED TO OTHERS. THIS ONE IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO UM, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHEREAS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION IS NEXT TO ANOTHER HOUSE. CORRECT? THERE'S ONE MORE HOUSE, IT'S NOT THE CORNER. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OTHER COMMENTS? SORRY. IS IS THAT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL NEXT TO IT THOUGH? UH, SURE, GREAT QUESTION. SO IT APPEARS TO BE ZONED, UH, COMMERCIAL. UM, THE, THE STYLE OF THE PROPERTY IS A IS RESIDENTIAL STYLE. MAYBE JUST ADD, I I DON'T AGREE WITH A FULL ARCHITECTURE PLAN TO DECIDE ON THE DOORS. I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T 'CAUSE IT'S ENGAGING WITH AN ARCHITECT, MAYBE THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. SO JUST ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT FOR TWO DOORS, I THINK SEEMS, UNLESS THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, KEEP FIGHTING IT. BUT I MEAN I THINK AS OF VIETNAM WITH THE SANDBORN MAP AND THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR US TO TELL US THAT THOSE ARE ORIGINAL AND SHOULD STAY ORIGINAL. OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING, UM, I WANTED TO ASK, SORRY, GO AHEAD SIR. YEAH, I WANTED TO ASK LIKE EVEN IF THESE WERE ORIGINAL DOORS CORRECT, THEY DO NOT SERVE THE PURPOSE BECAUSE NOBODY'S [00:50:01] ENTERING THE ROOMS THROUGH THE DOORS AND UH, THE INTENT OF CLOSING UP AND FILLING THE DOORS IS TO KEEP THAT HISTORICAL LOOK OF THE HOUSE BY ADDING STONES. WE HAVE A LOT MORE STONES THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME ONES THAT WE'RE USING. AND BY ADDING THESE STONES IS JUST GOING TO GIVE THE, THE HOUSE A CLEANER LOOK WITH STONES ALL AROUND IT. AND, UM, THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN JUST LIKE TWO DOORS THAT HAVE NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THEM AT ALL. THERE IS, IT'S A, IT'S A SPACE THAT WE'RE LOSING AND OUR GOAL IS TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE AND WE REALLY THINK THAT WE'RE JUST LOSING THAT SPACE FOR NO REASON AT ALL. WELL SIR, UM, IF THESE ARE DOORS ARE ORIGINAL, THEN THEY SPEAK TO THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. UM, I'M AWARE OF OTHER HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE THESE, UH, SORT OF REAR SIDE DOORS THAT FACE THE, THE STREET. UM, NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS BLOCK, BUT UH, APPARENTLY THERE WERE, UH, OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THIS SAME PATTERN. AND TO REMOVE ORIGINAL FABRIC FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE IS CONTRARY TO, UH, THE GUIDELINES. UH, IF YOU DON'T NEED THE DOORS FOR ACCESS, UH, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO FIX THEM IN PLACE, SEAL THEM ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THEN YOU COULD RUN YOUR WALL AND SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE AND THEREFORE, UH, IT WOULD NOT BE AN ACTIVE DOOR, BUT SHOULD IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR OPEN THAT, UH, ACCESS AGAIN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THERE. AND IT SPEAKS TO THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. EXCUSE ME, ONE. UNDERSTOOD. SO LET'S ASSUME WE KEEP THAT DOOR. WHAT ABOUT THE RAILING AND THE CONCRETE IN FRONT OF IT WHERE IT GIVES ACCESS TO THAT DOOR? SHOULD WE ALSO KEEP THAT RAILING AND THAT CONCRETE IN THE FRONT OF THE DOOR OR CAN WE REMOVE THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT USING IT? THE, THE DOOR ITSELF IS, WELL WE APPEAR TO, IT APPEARS TO US TO BE ORIGINAL. SO, UM, AS COMMISSIONER FESTER JUST MENTIONED THAT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO USE THE DOOR AS IT, IT, AS IT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR, THEN YOU CAN SEAL IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE. BUT WHATEVER IS OUT THERE ON THE OUTSIDE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING AND THAT YOU'RE A HEARING TO THE GUIDELINES AND UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP IT AS ORIGINAL AS IT DESIGNS. GOT IT. OMAR, MR. CHAIR? GOOD. OH, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD MA'AM. I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION IF IT COULD BE REPEATED PLEASE. SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, MOVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF IS THAT MOVE TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS BEING DRAWN. AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE GET UH, SITE DESIGN. MAY I RE UH, MAY I RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROVIDE TIME CERTAIN OF THE CONTINUANCE, UH, MEETING OR WITHIN A TIMEFRAME WHEN THE APPLICANT PROVIDES IT? WHEN THE APPLICANT PROVIDES IT TIMEFRAME. 90 DAYS. GO AHEAD SIR. SURE. JUST AN OPTION FOR THE, FOR THE OWNER. UH, IF YOU WERE TO KEEP THOSE DOORS AND FIX THEM SO THAT THEY WERE NOT OPERABLE BUT LEAVE THEM AS WINDOWS, REPLACE THE DOORS WITH SOMETHING APPROPRIATE THAT HAD WINDOWS TO IT. UH, THAT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER WINDOW INTO THE SPACE ADDING MORE LIGHT AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE IT, YOU WOULD JUST TREAT IT AS A WINDOW. THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO REPLACE THE DOOR. SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO REMOVING THE DOOR AND ADDING AND REPLACING IT WITH IN KIND WINDOWS? NOT A WINDOW, A DOOR WITH LIGHTS WITH UH, GLASS PANELS LIKE A FRENCH DOOR. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. HOWEVER, AS WE WERE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, UH, BY ADMINISTRATION, WE COULD REMOVE THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE AND PUT A WINDOW IN THE DOOR IN THE BACK. CORRECT. THAT IS STILL SOMETHING WE COULD DO. INSTEAD OF REPLACING BOTH DOORS, UH, THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO ULTIMATELY THE ACTION BY THIS COMMISSION IS GONNA BE THE BINDING ACTION. [00:55:01] UNDERSTOOD. I WOULD LOVE TO GO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. IF THAT IS POSSIBLE BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD LOVE TO GO WITH IT. IF THAT'S STILL ON THE, IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD STILL DO WHERE WE REPLACE ONE DOOR, WE CLOSE UP ONE DOOR, WHICH IS THE ONE IN THE VERY BACK AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, WE REPLACE IT WITH AN IN-KIND WINDOW. SO I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION STANDS AS IS AND THEN UM, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS ON WHAT, WHAT THAT WINDOW AND WINDOW SIZE WOULD BE BEFORE PROVING IT. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A NEW, I MEAN HE CAN STILL COME BACK WITH THAT, RIGHT? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE TAKING ACTION ANYWAYS. YEAH. SO THE, THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, I FEEL LIKE THE, YEAH, THE MOTION SHOULD STAY AS IS AND IF THE APPLICANT FEELS LIKE HE WANTS TO COME BACK WITH AN OPTION OF PUTTING A WINDOW, IT'S STILL ON THE TABLE. IT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT. ALRIGHT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SIR? CAN YOU CLARIFY? PLEASE SAY IT AGAIN PLEASE. HE ASKED IF YOU COULD CLARIFY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? SO DOES THAT MEAN THE BOOK FOR NEXT MONTH OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE MOTION IS AS STAFF RECOMMENDED, WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S NOT IMPROVING THE INFILL, BUT A REPLACEMENT OF THE FURTHEST DOOR WITH A WINDOW COULD BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU ADHERE TO THE WINDOW STANDARDS MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN COLOR AND PROFILE. SO I'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THAT DESIGN OR THAT FOR FULL APPROVAL. THE, UH, FOR CLARITY COMMISSIONER AND MR. CHAIR, UM, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IT SAYS THE MIDDLE ONE CAN BE INFILLED. WELL THEN I'LL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN THAT'S NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE INFILL OF TWO SIDE DOORS, NOT TWO, BUT THE MIDDLE ONE CAN BE. AND THEN A WINDOW FOR THE, FOR THE FURTHEST ONE THE MOTION STANDS, BUT LET'S CLARIFY THE MOTION SAYING THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TO NOT APPROVE AN INFILL OF TWO SIDE DOORS. IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK AND REPLACE THE FURTHEST DOOR WITH A WINDOW COULD BE APPROPRIATE. COME BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS ON THAT DOES A SECOND CONCUR? YES. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP? AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. UM, WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A HAPPY FOURTH EVERYONE BEFORE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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