[00:00:02] IT'S ON 3 P.M.. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6TH, 2025. TO ORDER. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? PRESIDENT. SAVINO, HEAR. VELAZQUEZ. GALLOWAY. MAZURKA. HERE. GUEVARA. GROUP. CERVANTES. HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUORUM UNTIL COMMISSIONER GROUP CAN. THERE SHE IS. COMMISSIONER GROUP, CAN YOU INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE, PLEASE? JUST GIVE US A. HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. SI. BUENAS TARDES. CUALQUIER PERSONA Q NECESITA SERVICIOS DE TRADUCCION AL ESPANOL. FABER DE PASAR. LA CABEZA DE AQUI ATRAS POR SU EQUIPO. MUCHAS GRACIAS. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM J MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN. AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS, AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA. YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE, WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES EACH. SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP. FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN TEN DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] AT THIS TIME, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCREEN. JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES. WE HAVE TEN ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE WILL NOT BE HEARD. AND THEN ITEM 12 WAS OUR ONLY INDIVIDUAL ITEM THAT HAS ALSO BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS ON CONSENT. WE HAVE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET. YOU CAN REVIEW THOSE FOR SEVERAL CASES. WE WILL CALL AN IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE PLAYING OF THE VOICEMAILS. SO FOR ITEM TWO, I HAVE SEVERAL. I HAVE RUSTY WALLACE, FOLLOWED BY MICKEY. WE NEED TO APPROVE MINUTES. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE'LL NEED A MOTION FOR MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 16TH. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR JULY THE 16TH, 2025. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MORE THAN PROBABLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? HI. SAVINO. I MAZURKA. GROUP I CERVANTES. YES, SIR. A AND GIBBS. A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. BACK TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEM TWO. WE HAVE RUSTY WALLACE. MR.. WALLACE, IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MICKEY STEINBERG. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RUSTY WALLACE, AND I'M THE MANAGING DIRECTOR AT OMNI LA MONTE, ONTARIO. AND THE HOTEL AND SPA ON THE RIVERWALK. I'VE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO AND MANAGED OUR RIVERWALK HOTELS FOR 20 YEARS. OMNI IS A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY AND AN OWNER OPERATOR, AND WE'RE DEDICATED TO PRESERVING HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES. [00:05:01] SPECIFICALLY, TWO OF THEM ARE THE OMNI PARKER HOUSE IN BOSTON, WHICH IS THE LONGEST CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING HOTEL IN THE COUNTRY, AND THE OMNI HOMESTEAD RESORT IN VIRGINIA, WHICH WAS AMERICA'S FIRST RESORT AND OPENED IN 1764. OMNI MANSION ITSELF IS A HISTORIC AND ICONIC HOTEL, AND OUR ROOTS DATE BACK TO SAINT MARY'S ACADEMY AND LATER, SAINT MARY'S LAW SCHOOL IN 1853 IS WHEN THE BUILDING OPENED. THE MANSION WAS ALSO ONE OF THE FIRST HOTELS TO OPEN ON THE RIVERWALK FOR THE 68 WORLD'S FAIR. MOCA ITSELF IS HOUSED IN THE HISTORIC EL FRANK SADDLERY BUILDING CIRCA 1900, AND THE FACADE ON BOTH THE COMMERCE AND THE CROCKETT STREET SIDES WERE METICULOUSLY DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE RENAISSANCE REVIVAL STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL STORY BUILDING WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2001, AND WHEN IT HAD TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AFTER PART OF THE FACADE COLLAPSED. THE PROPOSED DECK AT 214 CROCKETT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE MANSION ON MACARA HOTEL AND SPA, AND IN FACT ON 214 CROCKETT. IT WOULD BLOCK VIEWS OF BOTH BUILDINGS FROM LAMONT ON THE STREET AND THE RIVERWALK ITSELF. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WILL DESTROY THE TRANQUIL ENVIRONMENT OF OUR MOST PREMIUM RIVERVIEW GUESTROOMS AT MACABRE. MACABRE HAS A HARD EARNED REPUTATION AS THE CITY'S ONLY FORBES FOUR STAR HOTEL AND SPA, AN HONOR THAT WE'VE HELD FOR OVER 20 YEARS. OUR LOYAL GUESTS HAVE INCLUDED PEOPLE LIKE MACARA, SHAKIRA, THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF GREAT BRITAIN, TONY BLAIR AND ALL OF OUR GUESTS APPRECIATE OUR HOTEL AS A QUIET AND DISCREET LOCATION, AND THEY PAY A PREMIUM FOR THE PEACEFUL BALCONIES OVERLOOKING THE RIVERWALK, A DINING DECK WITH 60 OR MORE PEOPLE, PLUS SERVICE STAFF JUST A FEW FEET AWAY FROM THE BALCONY OF OUR BEST GUESTROOM WOULD BE A DIRECT ASSAULT ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DEGRADE THE VIEWS AND VIOLATE THE PEACEFUL ATMOSPHERE. OUR GUESTS HAVE COME TO EXPECT, SIR. LET ME ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. YEAH, SORRY. THE LAST THING I BRING UP IS THAT ONLY 17% OF NEW RESTAURANTS SURVIVE PAST THE FIRST YEAR, AND THE LONGER THAT GOES, THE WORSE THE STATISTICS GET. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT IF WE ALLOW A DINING DECK TO BE FLOWN ACROSS CROCKETT STREET NEXT TO OUR HOTEL, THAT THAT RESTAURANT IS GOING TO REMAIN IN BUSINESS, OR THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE. SO SINCE YOUR PURPOSE IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF OUR CITY, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REQUEST. THANK YOU SIR. MICKEY STEINBERG, FOLLOWED BY MICAH KING. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MICKEY STEINBERG, AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS THE HOTEL MANAGER AT HOTEL AND SPA. WHEN I RETURNED TO SAN ANTONIO IN JUNE 2024, I WAS HONORED TO JOIN A HOTEL THAT STANDS AS A SYMBOL, A SYMBOL OF AUTHENTICITY. A FORMER SALARY BUILDING, NOW THE ONLY FORBES FOUR STAR PROPERTY IN SAN ANTONIO, AND ONE OF THE FEW ALONG THE RIVERWALK THAT STILL REFLECTS ITS ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE. EACH WEEK WHEN I CROSS THE SALINA BRIDGE AND LOOK BACK AT MOCA, I SEE WHAT OUR GUESTS AND OUR ASSOCIATES SEE A BUILDING THAT STILL FITS ITS LANDSCAPE NOT JUST IN STYLE, BUT IN SPIRIT. THE PROPOSED SKYBRIDGE OVER CROCKETT STREET WOULD INTERRUPT THAT. IT WOULD CUT ACROSS ONE OF THE LAST UNINTERRUPTED HISTORIC VIEWS, PLACING A MODERN STRUCTURE WHERE AUTHENTICITY IS EXPECTED. OUR GUESTS, MANY OF WHOM RETURN YEAR AFTER YEAR TO CELEBRATE LIFE'S MOST MEANINGFUL MOMENTS, WILL NOTICE. AND WHEN THE EXPERIENCE IS NO LONGER NO LONGER FEELS THE SAME, WE RISK LOSING THEM. THAT MATTERS NOT JUST TO US, BUT TO THE CITY. A FORBES FOUR STAR HOTEL BRINGS IN LOYAL, HIGH VALUE TRAVELERS, INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION AND LASTING ECONOMICAL IMPACT. BEHIND IT ARE 100 PLUS ASSOCIATES, REAL PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THIS HOTEL TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND BUILD THEIR FUTURE. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT A SKYBRIDGE, IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING SAN ANTONIO'S IDENTITY, IDENTITY, THE LEGACY OF OUR RIVERWALK, AND A GUEST CONNECTION THAT KEEPS PEOPLE COMING BACK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR ALL YOU DO TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC HISTORY OF OUR CITY. THANK YOU. MICAH KING. MR. KING WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. BRIAN DAVIS IS HERE. AND HIS YIELD AT HIS TIME. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MICAH KING WITH WINSTEAD, PC. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT THE OWNER OF THE MAKARA HOTEL. AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. NOT THE ENTIRE REQUEST, BUT TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATED PLATFORM RESTAURANT DECK THAT WOULD SPAN 60FT FROM THE FACADE OF THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE. TOWARDS THE RIVERWALK. IT HAS MAINTAINED ITS INTEGRITY THAT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. HAS MAINTAINED ITS INTEGRITY FOR OVER 120 YEARS. THAT'S GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WORKING TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THIS BUILDING. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE 1976 NOMINATION FILE FOR THIS PROPERTY AS A NATIONAL LANDMARK, IT TALKED ABOUT SOME ALTERATIONS TO THE COMMERCE [00:10:07] STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING. BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE CROCKETT STREET SIDE, THE RIVERWALK SIDE OF THIS BUILDING, THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS RELATIVELY UNCHANGED AND PRESERVED. FOR 120 YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE VIEW. IT'S CONTRIBUTED TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE OVERALL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT PLAYS A A FOCAL POINT, ARCHITECTURAL FOCAL POINT FOR PEOPLE NOT JUST ON CROCKETT STREET, BUT ALSO ON THE RIVERWALK AND ON ON BOATS ON THE RIVER AND IN CARRIAGES AS A MAIN ROUTE FOR THAT AS WELL. THIS DECK IS COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE WITH THE FACADE AND THE STRUCTURE, AND THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL RENDERINGS OF THE STRUCTURE. IT'S NOT UGLY, BUT IT'S NOT HISTORIC, AND IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A VISUAL, ESTHETIC AND AUDITORY DISTRACTION ON THIS ENTIRE BLOCK OF ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND AND VISITED PARTS OF THE CITY. IT WOULD VIOLATE THE REAL PURPOSES IN MULTIPLE WAYS BY BY ALLOWING FOR INCOMPATIBLE AND INSENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT, BY CAUSING A SOUND NUISANCE FOR GUESTS, ERECTING A VISUAL BARRIER NOT JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT ALSO FOR HOTEL GUESTS. BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS REALLY WHO'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED ON A DAILY BASIS OR THOUSANDS OF VISITORS EVERY YEAR. IT WOULD ADD AN INCREASED FIRE RISK FOR FIRE TO SPREAD FROM THE NEW WOODEN STRUCTURE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THE ADJACENT CONTRIBUTING AND REGISTERED LANDMARKS. THERE WAS A FIRE AT THIS PROPERTY AS RECENTLY AS 2019, SO WE KNOW THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING FIRE RISK. SO I ADD TO IT IT WOULD PLACE ENTERTAINMENT RIGHT NEXT TO GUEST ROOM BALCONIES. I DID A DECIBEL READING, AND THE AMBIENT NOISE IS AT A LEVEL THAT IF YOU ADD A RESTAURANT TEN FEET FROM A BALCONY, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO BE VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE EVERY SINGLE MINUTE YOU'RE OPERATING. AND THERE'S NO RESTRICTION AGAINST HAVING A USE OF THAT PLATFORM IN THE FUTURE FOR A NIGHTCLUB OR FOR HAVING A LATE HOUR CERTIFICATE FROM THE ABC. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REQUESTED AS REASONABLE CONDITIONS AND ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WERE REJECTED. AND THIS STRUCTURE WOULD ALSO VIOLATE THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES BY OBSCURING PRACTICALLY EVERY SINGLE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE FACADE, WHICH THE NOMINATION FILE FOR THE STRUCTURE REFERS TO AS BEING UNIQUELY CONFIGURED AS HAVING TWO FRONTS, ONE ON COMMERCE AND ONE ON CROCKETT STREET FACING THE RIVERWALK. AND IT REALLY IS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE ENJOYMENT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THE MOST IMPORTANT SIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE MANY MORE THOUSANDS OF VISITORS WHO ARE ENJOYING THE ESTHETIC ENVIRONMENT, THE EXPERIENCE OF THE RIVERWALK. AND SO IN YOUR BACKUP ARE ALL THE OTHER REASONS WHY THIS SHOULD BE DENIED. AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE REST OF THE CASES ON CONSENT. SO ITEM THREE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER THREE. CASE 2025 194435. DONALDSON AVENUE. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER. MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, P.O. BOX 1031578201. WE THANK THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR INVESTING IN THIS CORAL GABLES STYLE HOME. WE ARE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT RAISED CONCERN ON THE EXECUTION OF THE PROPOSED SOLUTION. IS THIS THE OPTIMAL SOLUTION FOR THIS HISTORIC HOME? AS THE REPAIR WORK WILL LOOK LIKE REPAIRS AND NOT RESTORATION. WILL THE WIDTH OF THE PLOT THE PILASTER COVER PART OF THE ARCHED OPENING, WHERE OTHER TREATMENTS SUCH AS STEEL BANDING, WHICH WOULD BE LESS OBTRUSIVE? EXPLORED. WE NOTE THE LACK OF FOOTING DETAILS IN THE DRAWING SUBMITTED. WE RAISE CAUTION WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK AS PRESENTED, AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR STAFF TO MONITOR THE EXECUTION OF THESE CONCRETE COLUMNS WITH THEIR STIPULATIONS. THE PRESERVATION OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THIS HOME IS PARAMOUNT, AND EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC PARAPET. [00:15:01] CRENELATIONS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. FOR ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER. LYNN. HI, I'M LYNN. I LIVE AT 312 PEARL PARKWAY, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE THE NEW PUTT PUTT AT PEARL. I'M NOT AGAINST THE PUTT PUTT AT PEARL, EVEN THOUGH I LOOK DOWN ON IT ALL EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES. THE REPORTS SAYS THAT IT WILL NOT BE. THEY'LL HAVE TO GET FINAL APPROVAL ON THE THE LANDSCAPING, AND IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL NOT DESTROY ANY TREES. BUT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR, AT LEAST FOUR LARGE CYPRESS TREES ON THE PROPERTY. AND THE THE WHAT THE PLAN IS, IS TO PUT TEXAS PALMS THERE. THERE ARE PALMS ON THE PROPERTY AT PEARL. I DON'T SEE HOW CYPRESS AND PALMS ARE GOING TO LOOK GOOD TOGETHER, BUT I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PALMS WOULD BE, SINCE THE CYPRESS FILL UP A LARGE PART OF THE AREA WHERE THE THE PUTT PUTT WILL BE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HE MAKES SURE THAT THEY DON'T CUT DOWN THOSE HUGE CYPRESS TREES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE AS MUCH RIVERWALK AS PALM TREES ARE. OKAY, BUT I AM, I APPROVE. I AM FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT PEARL DOES. THEY DON'T DO RIGHT. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 15 YEARS AND I'VE WATCHED EVERYTHING HAPPEN. I'LL WATCH THIS AND I'LL. I'LL ENCOURAGE IT BECAUSE IT WILL HELP THE BUSINESSES IN THAT PART OF PEARL. AT 1100 SPRINGS PARK. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TREES GET CUT DOWN. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO MOVING TO ITEM SIX. WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CASE 2025 167 1932 WEST WEST HATCH AVENUE. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER. MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NPA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, P.O. BOX 1031578201. IT IS UNFORTUNATE TO SEE THE LOSS OF ANY STRUCTURE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS UNIQUE IN ITS ORIENTATION, MASSING, AND SCALE, BUT HAS EXPERIENCED AN UNSYMPATHETIC REAR ADDITION. WE NOTE THAT NO INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND NO INTERIOR PHOTOS WERE PRESENTED AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION TO SUBSTANTIATE THE CLAIMS PROVIDED ON THE ESSER BY ADDISON PRIME, LLC, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF A STIPULATION FOR INTERIOR PHOTOS OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BE SUBMITTED TO OA PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. LAST IS ITEM TEN, I BELIEVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN. CASE 2025 182 2127 WEST WOODLAWN. LINE. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER. MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, P.O. BOX 1031578201. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING TOWARDS THE STIPULATIONS PROVIDED DURING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION AS THE PROPERTY IS WHOLLY WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. WE ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS TO ADDRESS STORMWATER RUNOFF. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THESE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS ONE. THAT GUTTERS BE INSTALLED ON THE NEW ONE STORY. A NEW TWO STORY STRUCTURES TO ENSURE STORMWATER RUNOFF DOES NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE ADJACENT HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND OR THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. NUMBER TWO FOR ALL STONE AND OR REMOVED WINDOWS FROM THE EXISTING HOME AT THE ONE STORY CONNECTOR BE PRESERVED AND STORED ON SITE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CONSENT ITEMS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS JEFF FETZER. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TEN 2127. WEST WOODLAWN AND I WILL BE RECUSING OFF OF CASE NUMBER FOUR. [00:20:08] 250 EAST GRAYSON. THANK YOU. AND ITEM NUMBER SIX, MR. CHAIR. ITEM SIX. CHERYL, PULL. ITEM NUMBER TWO. ITEM TWO. AND HOLD ON. ONE MORE. YOU SEE A FOUR, SIR? I SAID NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER SIX. NO. I'M SORRY. NUMBER THREE. DONALDSON. SO TWO AND THREE. YEAH. I THINK SOMEBODY ALREADY PULLED THAT ONE. HOLD ON. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THEM. MISTER CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ALL RIGHT. IF NO COMMISSION WAS TO PULL ANY OTHER ITEMS. MAY. COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU GOING TO RECUSE RIGHT NOW? YES. I'LL TURN MY CAMERA AND PHONE OFF. NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. SO HE DOESN'T NEED TO DO THIS. OKAY. SO WERE YOU PULLING ITEM FOUR SO THAT HE COULD HEAR HIS RECUSAL? NO. SO HE WILL JUST RECUSE FROM THE VOTE ON CONSENT, AND THEN WE WILL. WELL, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. I GUESS JUST WHEN WE GET TO FOUR. OKAY. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RECUSE. JEFF, YOU CAN STAY ON. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER FIVE. NUMBER SEVEN. EIGHT. AND NUMBER 11, WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVING PROPERLY. SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. SO A MAZURKA, A GROUP, A, CERVANTES. YES. FETZER, A AND GIBBS. A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. DINO, DID YOU MEAN TO INCLUDE ITEM NUMBER 11 IN YOUR MOTION? SHE DID. OKAY, GOOD. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 414. NAVARRO 217. ARDEN GROVE, 1841. EAST HOUSTON, 430. AUSTIN AND 328 WEST ELLESMERE PLACE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF FOR YOUR CASE MANAGER. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN TEN DAYS. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS 235 EAST COMMERCE. IT'S ALSO ADDRESS IS 234 RIVERWALK. THE APPLICANTS, CHRISTINA BERLANGA AND DON MCDONALD, ARE HERE IN PERSON. THANK YOU. PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR. I'M DON MACDONALD. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON 235 EAST COMMERCE. WE'RE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THERE'S INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL FOR THIS STRETCH OF THE RIVERWALK. GENERALLY, WE'VE BEEN INSPIRED BY WHAT'S HAPPENED IN ALONG THE RIVERWALK DUE WEST OF HERE, IN THE STRETCH BETWEEN SAINT MARY'S AND AND THE THE CANAL. AND AND I THINK ALONG THAT STRETCH OF THE RIVER, THERE'S HOFFMANS, THERE'S THE ESQUIRE, THERE'S TOKYO COWBOY OTRO. THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF RESTAURANTS ON MULTIPLE LEVELS, BOTH ALONG THE RIVER AT INTERMEDIATE TERRACES AND TERRACES THAT ARE 20 OR 30FT OFF THE GROUND. AND IF YOU'VE EXPLORED ANY OF THESE PLACES, THEY'VE BEEN PHENOMENALLY SUCCESSFUL. AND BY SUCCESSFUL, I MEAN WE TAKE PEOPLE. I LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND WE TAKE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN FOR THOSE EXPERIENCES, FOR THOSE SPECIAL EXPERIENCES. AND OUR GOAL WITH THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT IS TO EXTEND SOME OF THAT VOCABULARY TO THIS BLOCK OF THE RIVER. IF SOMEONE WALKS ALONG THIS STRETCH OF THE RIVER, IT'S IT'S SO SUCCESSFUL THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN MOVE DURING A NICE DAY ALONG THE RIVERWALK. AND OUR GOAL IS TO TO EXTEND THE THE STREET. LEVEL HERE INTO THE RIVERWALK. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A BIG FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT SEVERS THE RIVERWALK FROM THE STREET ABOVE IT. WE THINK THAT WE AGREE WITH MACARA. THIS IS POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE BEST STREETS IN THE CITY. BUT IN THE LATE 19TH, LATE, LATE 1900S, THE STREET WAS RAISED AND. [00:25:06] AND THERE WAS A BASEMENT EXTENDED FROM ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO RECLAIM PROPERTY ALONG THE RIVERWALK BETWEEN THE RIVERWALK AND THE CENTER OF THE RIVER. IN THE PROCESS, THE STREET GOT RAISED AND ESSENTIALLY A LARGE LID WAS WAS DROPPED ON TO THE TOP OF THIS. IT'S THE REASON IF YOU GO ON GOOGLE EARTH AND LOOK AT THIS STRETCH OF CROCKETT STREET THIS TIME OF DAY, IT'S INCREDIBLY HOT. PEDESTRIANS DON'T USE IT. AND AND IN THE EVENING THERE'S, THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE CAMPED ALONG ONE END OF IT. THERE'S CHARTER BUSSES WITH THE AZTEC AND, AND THERE'S CARRIAGES LINED UP ON ANY GIVEN WEEKNIGHT. AND WE JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL ON THIS LITTLE STRETCH OF THE CITY. AND IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE WHERE THERE'S A STREET THAT PARALLELS THE RIVER THIS WAY. AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE THE AGAIN. THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THE RIVERWALK EXTEND UP INTO THE CITY BLOCKS. AND WE'VE EXPLORED DIFFERENT WAYS STAIRS AND ELEVATORS. BUT BUT WE THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE HAVE AN EXISTING ELEVATOR WE'RE TAPPING INTO. THERE'S A STAIR BEING PROPOSED TO LINK CROCKETT STREET TO THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. AND SO AND SO. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. WE'VE HAD OVER A DOZEN MEETINGS WITH MAYBE 4 OR 5 OF THEM WITH DIFFERENT CITY GROUPS AND AND, AND RESPONDED TO EVERYONE'S KIND OF INTEREST OR CONCERNS. AND WE'VE HAD WE HAD ONE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MY CAR AT NEXT DOOR AND AND THEIR PRIMARY REQUEST WAS THAT THAT WE FIND A WAY TO SHIELD IT FROM ONE ROOM THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE HOTEL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE BALCONY RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IMAGE IS IN HERE, BUT BUT WHAT WE DID IN RESPONSE WAS WE CAME BACK. AND WHAT YOU SEE DIFFERENTLY ON THIS IMAGE FROM WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED DRAWINGS IS VINES. AND AND SO WHAT WE DID IS EXTENDED PLANTERS ALONG THE LOWER EDGE OF THE BALUSTRADE, WHERE WE'LL PUT TRUMPET VINES OR SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY DURABLE AND REALLY HEARTY, AND THERE'S SIX VERY LARGE CONTAINERS SO THAT THEY'LL HOLD UP AND AND NOT HAVE TO BE DEPENDENT ON SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, ALTHOUGH THEY'LL BE WATERED. BUT, BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE THESE BONDS HOLD UP LONG TERM. AND THE IDEA IS TO PUT LADY BANKSIA JUST A REAL DENSE VINE THAT WILL LAST FOR 100 YEARS ON THE ROOF SCAPE, SO THAT THAT ANYONE VIEWING THE STRUCTURE FROM UP ABOVE, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THE VIEW FROM ABOVE IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE VIEW FROM BELOW. WE'LL SEE. JUST A GREEN SWATH OF VINES AND FOLIAGE RIGHT NOW LOOKING OUT ACROSS HERE. IT'S JUST REFLECTIVE HEAT DURING THE DAY. AND HORSES, HORSE CARRIAGES LINED UP IN THE EARLY EVENING. AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO ACTIVATE BOTH CROCKETT AND SOME OF THESE, THESE SPACES UP ABOVE IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. WE HAVEN'T OTHER THAN THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MACARTHUR. WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT ANY RESPONSE WOULD COME THROUGH THE CORPORATE OFFICE IN DALLAS. AND SO TODAY IS THE FIRST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THEM. SO, SO AGAIN, WITH ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ADJUSTMENTS MADE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND AND I, I THINK THAT THAT THE VINES ARE, ARE GOOD NOT JUST FOR THE HOTEL BUT BUT FOR THE STRUCTURE AS WELL. I THINK THAT THAT WEST SUN THAT, THAT, THAT THIS TIME OF DAY THAT STARTS HITTING THAT THAT BUILDING, I THINK WE CAN MEDIATE. AND I THINK IN REALITY WE'RE SHOWING THE LADY BANKSIA SUSPENDED OFF THE ROOF IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TASTEFULLY DROPPING DOWN 3 OR 4FT. BUT WE THINK THAT YOU COULD CREATE A REALLY NICE VEIL THAT WOULD BUFFER AND GREEN UP THE VIEW FROM, FROM THAT ONE ROOM. AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME IMAGES THAT MAY NOT BE IN THIS DECK. FROM ONE OF GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES FROM THE HOTEL ROOM THAT SHOWS HOW THAT PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE, HOW YOU'D SEE. SO I THINK IN SOME CASES, THERE'S A WHOLE POTENTIAL AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE THAT ENGAGEMENT AND BRINGING THAT LIFE AND VITALITY AND HUMANS UP TO UP TO CROCKETT STREET. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY ON THIS. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE THINK THERE'S A GREAT POTENTIAL TO KIND OF REINVIGORATE THE RIVERWALK AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE STREETS AROUND THE RIVERWALK DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU SIR. PLEASE STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS VERY QUICKLY FOR STAFF, JUST KIND OF OUR MEMORY AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD WHEN WE SAW THIS LAST WHAT WAS THE ULTIMATE VOTE ON THIS AND THE DETAILS THAT WE MENTIONED? JUST KEEP IT QUICK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO A LOT OF DETAILS OF THE LAST CASE, BUT JUST WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF? WE WE LEFT OFF WITH A REQUEST. [00:30:03] IT'S FOR STAFF. OH, IT RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ANY STIPULATIONS? YES. THERE WERE THERE WERE A FEW STIPULATIONS. THERE'S THERE SHOULD BE A FINDING AND THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT OUTLINE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. I KIND OF WANTED HIM OUT THERE FOR THE RECORD REAL QUICK, BUT IS IT IS IT A LOT? HOLD ON. LET ME. CAN YOU DO IT IN THE TWO MINUTES? YEAH. LET ME SEE IF THEY'RE IN HERE. YEAH. REAL QUICK. AND BEFORE YOU DO THAT I'M HEARING SOMEONE'S CELL PHONE ACTUALLY HAD TO SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE, SO PLEASE CHECK YOUR PHONE. AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE IS NOT ON SILENT, PLEASE DO SO NOW. THANK YOU. SO I'LL READ FINDING BE. THIS REQUEST RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY THE 5TH, 2025, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS ONE. THAT THE SIDEWALK LIFT SHOULD FEATURE A DOOR ELEMENT THAT LIES FLUSH WITH THE SIDEWALK. GRADE TWO THAT ALL COMPOSITE OR SYNTHETIC MATERIALS SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT RELATE TO TRADITIONAL MATERIALS WHILE NOT INCLUDING FAUX TEXTURES, AND THREE THAT ALL ELEVATOR MATERIALS RELATE TO THOSE USED IN THE PROPOSED DECK AND BE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE RIVERWALK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, SIR. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS THAT THE PRESENTERS HERE, YOUR NEIGHBORS JUST MADE WITH REGARDS TO NOISE, OBSTRUCTION OF YOU, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE THE THE IT IS A BIG CHANGE. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND AND AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE BEING APPREHENSIVE ABOUT ANY CHANGE. BUT BUT BUT AFTER AND THE REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO US WAS TO SPEND MORE TIME ON CROCKET STREET, WHICH WE DID, WE WENT BACK AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY, SPENT TIME ON THE STREET TO SEE WHAT WE FELT COULD BE DONE TO IMPROVE ON IT. AND IT JUST REINFORCED OUR CONCERN THAT CROCKETT STREET WAS WAS UNDERUTILIZED AND, AND, AND COULD BE A BETTER PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE RIVER. SO SO THE BIG SHIFT FOR US HAS BEEN TO MEDIATE PRIVACY CONCERNS BY GREENING IT UP. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOISE LEVELS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. AND, AND I THINK THERE'S ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT CONTROL THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I'M GLAD THIS WAS PULLED. IF NOT FOR MY QUESTION, ON THE ROOFTOP. ON THE VERY ROOFTOP THAT IS AN IMPERVIOUS ROOF. CORRECT. IT IS A SOLID ROOF WITH THE. WITH A DENSE VINE UP THERE. BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY AND BIRDS. WE'VE SAID LET'S JUST ADDRESS THAT NOW. AND SO IT'S NOW SOLID ROOF DECK. AND HOW MANY STILL HAS THE ARTICULATION ABOVE THE SUPPORT BEAMS AND HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS IT. I DON'T KNOW, CHRISTINA. YOU KNOW, TWO, FOUR 600 OR. WELL IT'S SIGNIFICANT. IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANT. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO RAIN? HOW IS RAINWATER BEING HANDLED? RAINWATER. WELL, IT CANNOT BE DUMPED INTO THE RIVER, SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE DIRECTED DOWN TO THE STREET AND INTO THE STREET DRAINAGE. HOW SO? HOW FROM THE ROOFTOP DOES IT GET DOWN TO THE PUBLIC? RIGHT OF WHERE? IT WILL EITHER HAVE TO FLOW OFF THE EDGE ONTO THE INTO THE CURBS, ALONG THE GUTTERS ARE DOWNSPOUTS WILL HAVE TO DIRECT IT DOWN, IN WHICH CASE IT WILL BE DIRECTED THROUGH THE ELEVATOR. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE DOWNSPOUTS IN THE IN THE DESIGN IN THE DRAWINGS RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE DOWNSPOUTS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE ARE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. YEAH I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. AND EQUALLY FOR PEDESTRIANS, I MEAN THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT. SO THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. WE'VE DONE THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND THERE MIGHT BE A LOW LEVEL WHERE WHERE YOU HAVE SPIGOTS STRATEGICALLY DUMP AND THEN FOR OVERFLOW IT MAY GO TO A MORE MAJOR DOWNSPOUT. BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. BECAUSE AS WE ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NUISANCES FOR NEIGHBORS AS THEY SEE IT, NUISANCES OR CHANGES OR OBSTRUCTIONS HOW WE'RE WERE HANDLING RAINWATER IS A HUGE ONE OVER THERE AS WELL. 100%. YEAH. AND TO THE COMMENT BY THE, THE NEIGHBOR OF THE MASSING AND THE SIZE AND JUST THE OVERWHELMING PRESENCE OF THIS, ALBEIT WOOD VERY AGGRESSIVELY SLENDER STEEL AND PLANTINGS. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER WAYS THAT THE ROOFTOP COULD BE LIGHTENED UP, MADE SMALLER, MADE PARTIALLY TRANSPARENT OR. WE WE'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN SPECIFICALLY ALONG THE RIVERWALK AND BECAUSE OF BIRDS AND SO ON, WITHIN TWO YEARS, WE GET A REQUEST TO COME BACK AND FIND A WAY TO COVER IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID, LET'S PUT A DENSE PINE UP THERE AND JUST BE PROACTIVE ON THAT. [00:35:04] AND SO AND SO WE HAVE REALLY SOFT LIGHTING AT NIGHT THAT BOUNCES UP ONTO THE CEILING. NO DIRECT LIGHT. SO ANYONE LOOKING UP TOWARDS IT AND AND AND THE IDEA THERE'S A THE OLDEST VINE IN IN THE UNITED STATES IS A LADY BANKSIA IN ARIZONA. AND SO IT'S JUST A GOOD DURABLE PLANT. AND IT'S WE WANTED SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T WASN'T A PATRONIZING GESTURE AND SOMETHING THAT WAS DANCING ALMOST LIKE A TREE. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WOULD BE TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE OAK TREE. TO THE EAST OF US, THERE'S A GREAT OAK TREE THAT THAT MEDIATES OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE EAST. BUT, BUT, BUT SO THIS THE INTENT IS THAT THE VINE WILL CASCADE MORE LIKE THE RENDERING THAN THIS OVER THE EAST, THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. OKAY, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES HAVE A CHANCE TO THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT TO THAT LATER. NO. YOU GUYS, HAVE YOU COME UP WITH YOUR COMMENT? SURE. I WAS ON THE SITE VISIT AND I AND I LIKED THE DESIGN. I THOUGHT IT WAS AIRY, BUT I'M INCLINED TO SAY NO BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING A VINE ON THE SIDE IS ENOUGH. YOU MIGHT CONSIDER HAVING SOME KIND OF LIGHT WOOD. TO MITIGATE SOUND CARRYOVER. THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S THERE, BUT YOU CAN MITIGATE THE SOUND BY HAVING PERHAPS THE WHERE IT MEETS THE BUILDING AND CLOSE TO THE HOTEL HAVE THAT LITTLE HIGHER AND MORE HIGH. IT'S SOMETHING I DO FEEL THAT THOSE BALCONIES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO IT ARE GOING TO SUFFER FROM HAVING. NOISE AND JUST BEING TOO. SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME, BUT I CANNOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE ROOM. SORRY. I STARTED GESTICULATING WITH MY HAND AND STOPPED THE MICROPHONE. THERE'S ITALIAN IN ME. SO I HAD SAID THAT THE. THAT THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE SIZE. THAT'S A PROBLEM. BUT THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE SOUND. AND I SUGGESTED MAYBE RAISING THAT AREA OF THE BALCONY, THE WALL PART OF IT, AND MAYBE HAVING WOOD ON THE INSIDE, NOT ON THE OUTSIDE AND VINES ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE TALLER SO THAT THAT MIGHT MITIGATE SOUND EVEN MORE SO. I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE RESPONSE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS ABOUT VARIOUS CONCERNS, BUT WE'VE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD MERIT DIALOG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST AS COMMISSIONER SAVINO MENTIONED, I TOO AM GLAD THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PULL IT AS WELL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK OUT TO ME AND I'M ALSO GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THE OPPOSING SPEAKERS. TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION AS WELL. BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONTACT WITH MACARA, AND WHEN YOU ATTEMPTED TO DO SO, THAT THE YOUR RESPONSE WAS THAT THEIR RESPONSE WOULD COME FROM THE CORPORATE OFFICE. SO YOU'RE SAYING TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD OUT OF MAYBE A HALF DOZEN ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT THEM? THEY RESPONDED ONCE AND WE WERE OFFERED A MEETING. WE MET WITH THEM MAYBE WITHIN THE LAST 6 TO 8 WEEKS AND AND DID SOME DRAWINGS TO IN RESPONSE TO THAT MEETING, BUT BUT HAD NO FOLLOW UP AND IN ATTEMPTING TO CONTACT THEM HAD NO ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE CORPORATE RESPONSE CAME OUT TODAY. SO SO WITH EVERY OTHER NEIGHBOR, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIALOG, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DIALOG WITH THE NEIGHBOR. GOTCHA. SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU SIT DOWN FOR A MOMENT, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THE OPPOSING SPEAKERS COME UP TO ANSWER. TO RESPOND TO THAT. CAN I HAVE A MOMENT, PLEASE, SIR? OH. THANK YOU. THE FIRST TIME WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WAS WHEN IT WAS. THE SIGN WAS POSTED FOR THE FIRST HEARING. SO NO ONE EVER REACHED OUT TO US. WE WERE NEVER APPROACHED. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING UNTIL THE FIRST HEARING HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY, I THINK. AND I'VE WE'VE MET WITH THEM TWICE SO FAR IN SEEING THE DRAWINGS AND TALKED ABOUT THEM AND LET THEM KNOW OUR OBJECTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE YOU CAN COME BACK PLEASE SIR. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP BY ANOTHER COMMISSIONER AND I WANTED TO I DIDN'T REALLY GET YOUR RESPONSE ON THIS OR IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME. SO THE SPEAKERS, THE OPPOSING SPEAKERS HAD MENTIONED ABOUT VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE. [00:40:01] AND THEN YOU MADE A COMMENT IN YOUR YOUR STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, OF COURSE, GUIDELINES AND ON THE ORDINANCE. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZING OR HOW YOU CAN MINIMIZE THAT? BECAUSE I'M, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE NOISE COMING FROM SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, NOW IMPACTING THEIR GUESTS WHO, YOU KNOW, COME FOR, YOU KNOW, PEACE AND QUIET AND THINGS OF NATURE. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, ABOUT HOW YOU CAN MITIGATE THAT? WELL, I EXPECT AT SOME POINT WE'LL BRING AN ACOUSTIC INTO THE PROJECT. BUT, BUT BUT I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CONCERN UP AND DOWN THE RIVERWALK AND, AND I WE KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RESPOND TO. AND, AND SO WE'VE GOT TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS. AND YEAH, THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING IT, WHETHER IT'S, IT'S IT'S WITH SIMPLE SCREENING, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOME SORT OF A PARTITION WALL OR SOMETHING. BUT, BUT, BUT IT SORT OF WORKS BECAUSE OF THE WESTERN SUN EXPOSURE. IT. I THINK THIS WORKS FOR BOTH PARTIES. IT WORKS FOR THE TERRORISTS, AND IT WORKS FOR MACARA. THANK YOU SIR. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONER, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. REGARDING THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU SPOKE WITH. I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE ALONG CROCKETT STREET, RIGHT? OF THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, HOW MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTIES DID YOU TALK TO? THIS IS ONE. THE MACKERRAS ONE? YEAH. IT'S BEEN WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITHIN THE OFFICE. BUT BUT WE'VE TALKED WITH 2 OR 3 AND THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE OTHER THAT'S BEEN VOCAL AND THAT'S BEEN THE PRIMARY CONVERSATION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY. WELL I MOVE TO DISAPPROVE. LET'S DO A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION, SIR. SO. I'M TAKING A LOT OF MY CUES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR. I'M TAKING MY CUES FROM WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE. WHAT KIND OF OBSTRUCTION ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE? AND I DON'T THINK THAT FITS WITH THE OVERALL ESTHETIC OF WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS. NOW, I DO COMMEND THE EFFORT YOU'RE PUTTING IN TO TRY AND LIVEN THINGS UP, TO TRY AND EXTEND THE EXPERIENCE. BUT I THINK AND I THINK I MIGHT HAVE SAID THIS THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP. I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE RIVERWALK AS WE HAVE IT AND AS WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT HISTORIC. DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING? I YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, YOU DESIGN AN ARCHITECTURE. KUNG FU HAS GOT TO BE REALLY STRONG TO SQUEEZE SOMETHING IN THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND MAKE IT FIT HISTORICALLY AND MAKE IT FIT THE ESTHETIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE. AND IT IS VERY CHALLENGING. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS IT AS IT SITS, AS THE WAY I SEE IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. THANK YOU. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I THINK SOME OF THE REASONING BEHIND THE MOTION IS NOT OUTSIDE OF OUR PURPOSE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES. I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT ALSO WORKING AND COMING UP WITH THE SUGGESTIONS, AND IS AWARE OF SOME OF THE REASONS THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE. I KNOW ANY RESTAURANT WILL CREATE THAT NUISANCE AS WELL. I DO BELIEVE THAT CROCKETT STREET ALSO NEEDS SOME ACTIVATION. SO, YOU KNOW, PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, I I WILL NOT I WILL BE OPPOSING THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SORRY. OKAY. THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? HEY. SAVINO. NAY. MAZURKA. NAY. GRUBE. NAY. CERVANTES. YES. FETZER. NAY. NAY. GIBBS. NAY. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. I HAVE A NEW MOTION. PLEASE, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS, AND WITH AN ADDED STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, MCCARTHY DURING THE CD PHASE OR THE RD TO CD [00:45:05] PHASE TO FURTHER EXPLORE MITIGATION FOR THEIR CONCERNS. AND YES, LEAVE IT AT THAT. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS, RIGHT? AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. YES. I AM TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE OMINOUS, YOU KNOW, PRESENCE OF THIS. AND THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. BUT I WOULD HOPE THERE WOULD BE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. THE ACOUSTIC CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY, THE WATER AS WELL. IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS, I'M NOT GETTING A CLEAR SENSE OF THE PUBLIC CIRCULATION PATTERN AS IT RELATES TO THE ELEVATOR THAT IS PUBLIC. WHERE IT GOES AND HOW THE PUBLIC MOVES AROUND THE PROPERTY ON THE STREET LEVEL ALSO, AND MAKING THAT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AS IT IS NOW. SO THOSE ARE FEATURES THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM WOULD ADDRESS. OH GOOD POINT. AND THAT'S I YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THE CHANGES IS DRAMATIC. BUT I, I, I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOUR TEAM CAN WORK VERY PRODUCTIVELY WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS, THOSE OBSTACLES. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER. YEAH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO MAYBE TRY AND SEE IF I CAN GET A STIPULATION THERE. IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO, BUT YOU SAID EXPLORE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT ONE MORE TIME? CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ON THEIR CONCERNS. OKAY. WITH. WITH RESULTS. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. I GUESS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU CAN GIVE THEM INPUT. IN OTHER WORDS, AS PART OF THE STIPULATION, NOT JUST EXPLORE AND DO A PAPER DRILL, BUT HAVE THEM WORK WITH THEM, WORK WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM INPUT. OKAY. I THINK, YEAH. YOU KNOW HOW TO THEY'RE NOT YOUR CLIENT, BUT YOU'RE BUT THEY ARE A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT ON THAT BLOG. 100% AGREE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SIR, I'D LIKE TO ALSO JUST REITERATE, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH, BUT I MEAN, BUT IT'S BEEN ENOUGH SAID, YOU KNOW, CONCERNING THE MACABRE AND I THINK THAT IT WAS IT WOULD DEFINITELY SERVE YOUR PROJECT WELL AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT YOU'LL BE DEALING WITH THAT WE REALLY, REALLY SHOULD WORK WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. WITH AS I MENTIONED, HOTEL GUESTS, YOU KNOW, THEY COME, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM COME FOR PEACE AND QUIET, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS OF NATURE. AND THEN IF AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE NOISY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WHEN YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ITEM TO THIS, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO A NEIGHBOR THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SO I MEAN CENTURY, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT CAN BE OR APPEAR TO BE KIND OF INTRUSIVE. SO IT JUST WANTS YOU TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM. AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULD AND I TRUST THAT YOU WILL DO THAT. DEFINITELY. ALL RIGHT. MR.. MR. CHAIRMAN. OH. I'M SORRY. YES. CHAIR. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A COMMENT. AND A POSSIBLE QUESTION FOR STAFF IS WITH WITH THESE STIPULATIONS, THEY SEEM PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN COULD CHANGE. ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO REREVIEW WHAT WHAT IS COME TO TERMS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND NEIGHBORS? YEAH. SO THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE STIPULATION THAT'S BEEN ADDED, THE APPLICANT WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF. WE WOULD REVIEW ANY CHANGES. IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE FEEL IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN, THEN THIS MAY COME BACK. BUT IN MOST CASES, IT'S REVIEWED AND APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. MR. CHAIR, EVEN WITH THE STIPULATIONS, I'M GOING TO SAY I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS. I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN EYESORE. AND I KNOW THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE THERE. THE GUIDELINES ARE NOT LAWS OR RULES. THEY'RE GUIDELINES. AND WE TAKE EACH CASE AT AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, AND WE SEE HOW IT LOOKS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE BLOCK OR THE ENVIRONMENT THERE, SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING. I'M GLAD THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER DID PUT A STIPULATION TO KIND OF GIVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED, AT LEAST IF THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD. BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT OKAY SIR. MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A TEAM OR A POINT PERSON AT THE HOTEL TO [00:50:07] HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. SURE, COMMISSIONER. JUST TO TO ADDRESS THAT REALLY QUICKLY. COME ON, SIR. THANK YOU. I HOPE THAT'S NOT OUT OF ORDER, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE CONVERSATIONS THAN WAS MENTIONED, AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE HOTEL OR WITH THE ARCHITECT. YOU HAVE TO GET THE OWNERSHIP ENGAGED TO. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THE, THE CONDITION THAT THEY WORK WITH US. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT HAS TO BE ENFORCEABLE IN SOME WAY. AND SO I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT REALLY CHANGES THE GAME WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY REJECTED AND NOT MADE ANY REAL CHANGES TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS OR WHEN WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WORK WITH THE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED, WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGING, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS. AND WE WANT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH YOU AS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN, IN THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE IS GOING TO BE 100% HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT THEY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING HERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE, I MEAN, HE HAS AS ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING THE STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT AND THEN THEY WANT TO ALSO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I WAS, I WOULD ASSUME. SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO I THINK THAT IN THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE STILL NOT HAPPY OR YOU FEEL AS THOUGH THAT THINGS ARE NOT GOING, YOU ARE. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK TO THE HEARING AND FURTHER ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S BEEN STATED HERE TODAY. AND THEN IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S NOT HAPPENING OR THEY'RE NOT WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH YOU, PLEASE COME BACK TO THAT. THANK YOU. CHAIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND INPUT. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. I KNOW I MISS A GROUP. I CERVANTES. NOPE. FETZER. AND. GIBBS. A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. UP NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR 35. DONALDSON. THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFREY STROMBERG, IS JOINING US BY PHONE. MR. STROMBERG TO SPEAK VIA PHONE. TO UNMUTE, YOU MAY NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PUSH STAR SIX, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO HIT COMMISSIONERS. I CAN IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UNTIL MR. STROMBERG GETS UNMUTED AND IS ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK. I CAN TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN. WE AS STAFF HAVE HAD A BACK AND FORTH DIALOG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR PROBABLY THE PAST SIX OR SO MONTHS ABOUT THIS HOUSE. IT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE HOUSE THAT'S GOT SOME SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL ISSUES. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THOSE. ALSO, COMMISSIONERS SAVINO, FETZER, AND MIZUKI ATTENDED A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT LAST WEDNESDAY. THEY COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GROUP HAS HER HAND RAISED AND SO DOES FETZER. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER GROUP. GO AHEAD. WELL, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. JUST BECAUSE THE SOUND WAS REALLY, REALLY BAD AND I COULDN'T HEAR HALF OF WHAT THE VOICEMAIL WAS SAYING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. BUT I DID GET SOMETHING ABOUT SOME LACK OF DETAILS IN THE PLANS. I GUESS IT'S HOW THE COLUMNS ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAN DETAIL THAT. IF IT'S NOT IN THE STIPULATIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING SOME OF THE REQUESTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE STIPULATIONS. YES. AND COMMISSIONER GROUP, THE LETTER THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS WELL, ACTUALLY YOUR VIRTUAL. SO I'M A VIRTUAL PACKET. SORRY. WELL, I BELIEVE THE COMMENTS, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. WHY WEREN'T METAL STRAPS PROPOSED INSTEAD OF THE THE REBAR CONCRETE COLUMNS? THIS WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER ON THE JOB. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE DETAIL OF THE FOOTINGS, I BELIEVE. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT WITH THE ENGINEER. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YES, I WAS ON THE SIDE VISIT AND WE DID DISCUSS THE SIGNIFICANT DETAILING ON THE HOUSE. [00:55:04] ON THE HOUSE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO MINIMIZE THE WIDTH OF THESE PILASTERS AS THEY WRAP THE CORNERS, THAT THEY WOULD NOT INTERRUPT OR OBSCURE ANY OF THE WINDOWS OR ARCHES, AND THE PILASTERS WOULD ONLY GO UP. THEY WOULD NOT GO UP TO THE THE ENTIRE PARAPET HEIGHT. THEY WOULD STOP SHORT OF THAT. BASED ON WHAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER RECOMMENDS, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF FEET SHORT OF THE PARAPET. AND THEN THE PILASTERS WOULD HAVE A CAP ON THEM. THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO WE WERE AND THE OWNER WAS AND CONTRACTOR WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THOSE, ALL OF OUR CONCERNS. THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT THE FINISH ON THE PLASTER THAT WOULD GO ON THE PILASTERS IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT THESE PILASTERS ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. THE EXISTING TEXTURE IS IS A FAIRLY ROUGH STUCCO TEXTURE. AND SO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS FOR THE NEW PILASTERS TO HAVE A SMOOTH FINISHED PLASTER FINISHED SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF ANYONE WHEN SOMEONE IS STUDYING THIS HOUSE, THEY CAN TELL THAT THESE PILASTERS ARE NOT ORIGINAL AND ARE NOT TRYING TO YOU KNOW, FAKE THEIR HISTORY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIR. HAS THE APPLICANT JOINED YET? HE'S ON, MR. STROMBERG. CAN YOU HEAR US? AND CAN YOU TRY TO SAY SOMETHING AND MAYBE HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? I DON'T SEE HIM ANYMORE. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I GOT TO MOVE HIM BACK TO PANELIST. MR. STROMBERG, CAN YOU. ON YOUR KEYPAD. HIT STAR SIX. THAT'S HOW. THERE YOU ARE. HELLO? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY. UNFORTUNATELY, I AM IN THE MIDST OF RECOVERING FROM COVID, WHICH WAS NOT NOT GOOD TIMING ON MY PART. BUT ANYWAY, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE HERE. I'M NOT SURE WHICH COMMISSIONER IN THIS CASE. ACTUALLY, MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED IN THE THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD HERE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. SO I PULLED IT BECAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. BUT THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WENT THERE AND GAVE THE DATA ANSWERED MY QUESTION. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU WANT, I CAN MAKE A PROPOSAL OR MAKE A YES, PLEASE, SIR. YEAH. MOTION. I MOVE THAT IT'S APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IF THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS GOOD WITH. I'LL SECOND IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. HI, SABINA. I MISS A GROUP I. CERVANTES. YES. FETZER. AND. GIBBS. A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. STROMBERG. UP NEXT IS 250 EAST GRAYSON. THE APPLICANT TAMMY HERNANDEZ SHOULD BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS JEFF FETZER. I AM RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CASE. THANK YOU. SIR. I WILL MAYBE LEAD OFF AS STAFF. THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT SITE PLAN AND SPECIFIC DETAILS AS WELL AS TREE REMOVAL. AND WHILE OUTSIDE OF HERITAGE TREES AND TREES AT THE TOP OF THE RIVERBANK WE AS STAFF DON'T DIRECTLY HAVE PURVIEW OVER TREE REMOVAL. STAFF ALSO HAD THE CONCERN ABOUT WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE GOING. THE IMPACTS. YES. THIS IS WITHIN PRIVATE PROPERTY. BUT ONE OF OUR STIPULATIONS WAS THAT A DETAILED SITE AND LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED. AND WE ARE AWAITING THAT AS A STIPULATION OF FINAL APPROVAL. OKAY. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. ARE THEY HERE? SO I HAVE A CALLER STARTING IN 816, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S TAMMY OR NOT, BUT CALLER, IF YOU COULD HIT STAR SIX AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF THAT WAY. WE KNOW. HELLO? HI. WHO IS THIS? HI. HI, THIS IS BLAINE TOWNSEND. [01:00:06] I'M THE ONE TO PUT IN THE APPLICATION. OKAY, GREAT. WE'RE. WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE. YES, WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE MINI GOLF. AND THERE'S ALSO A JOHN PAUL WHO'S ON THERE. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GET ON THE MUTED BUT OKAY I GOT IT. WE AREN'T WE ARE NOT. YEAH WE ARE NOT TOUCHING ANY OF THE TREES. WE'RE LEAVING THE THE TREES EXACTLY AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. YEAH. I THEY JUST GOT ME UNMUTED. YEAH. JOHN PAUL BLAINE IS MY BUSINESS PARTNER. I THINK SOMEBODY CAME ON EARLIER. WE'VE BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH ON ON FURTHER KIND OF SITE. A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH. YOU ALL NEEDED THAT WAS CURRENTLY SUBMITTED. I THINK SOMEBODY CAME ON EARLIER THAT LIVED NEARBY, WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE CYPRESS TREES. WE LOVE THOSE CYPRESS TREES AS WELL. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, GOING INTO THE RIVER VALLEY AND OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY OFFERING GREAT SHADE. AS FAR AS THE PALM TREES BEING IMPACTED. THAT WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS HISTORY. ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY KIND OF LIKE CHOPPED UP CONCRETE AREA, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. MISTER CHAIR, THAT WAS MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS TO CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING REMAIN IN PLACE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE LOVE THEM, TOO. DEAL. WE WILL JUST ONLY BE ENHANCING AND ADDING ON TO THE LANDSCAPING THERE. AND IT WON'T BE. THE PALM TREES, OF COURSE, WON'T BE GOING WHERE THE CURRENT TREES ARE. OF COURSE. THOSE NATIVE TEXAS PALMS. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANTS REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATION. TO, LET'S SAY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS A THROUGH D, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT FINAL SITE AND LANDSCAPE DOCUMENTS SHOWING THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING CYPRESS TREES BE SUBMITTED TO OPI STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SECOND, THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST WITH THE LACK OF A DIMENSION, FULLY DIMENSION SITE PLAN AND NOTATION, I THINK IT'S JUST CAUTIOUS OF US TO INCLUDE THIS SORT OF INFORMATION. I AGREE. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. AND GIBS, A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. MITZI SANDEL. MITZI, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE FOR THE MISTER CHAIR, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THAT'S THE REASON I PULLED IT. SURE. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKED FOR THERE WAS A LACK OF PHOTOS ON THE INSIDE, BUT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS THAT THEY DO THE THE WHOLE PLAN. SALVAGE PLAN AND ALL THAT. SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO GET INSIDE PHOTOS. THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THAT BEFORE DEMOLISHING. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS INCLUDED. AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON ONE MORE COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER QUESTION. THIS I, I ALSO WANTED TO PULL THIS. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US WHO WANTED TO PULL THIS CASE. THE STAFF, YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT THE HOUSE OR THE ADU OR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IT SHOWS UP AT THE SAME TIME ON THE SANDBAR? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE TO THE APPLICANT? IS IT LIKE THE HOUSE IS, MA'AM? BEFORE YOU SPEAK, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. HI. MITZI SANDELL. I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND. THE HOUSE, THE ADU SPECIFICALLY IS IT'S JUST STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. ALL WOOD IS ROTTED. THE ROOF IS CAVING IN. ALL THE RAFTERS ARE ROTTED. THE SHINGLES HAVE COME OFF THE ROOF. INSIDE, THE SHEETROCK IS FALLING DOWN WITH INSULATION COMING THROUGH THE ROOF. NONE OF THE ELECTRICAL OR WATER OR GAS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS IS WORKING AND IS IN NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. THE FOUNDATION IS CRACKED. IT'S KIND OF JUST LEANING. AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT. IT'S IT'S REALLY A SAFETY CONCERN FOR US. WE'VE REALLY KEPT UP WITH THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. [01:05:03] THE FRONT HOUSE VERY WELL REFURBISHED THE HARDWOOD FLOORS, KEPT THE BATHROOMS IN THE DECO STYLE, REALLY KEPT IT TRUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE BACK HOUSE JUST IS NOT SALVAGEABLE AT THIS POINT. OKAY. WHAT KIND OF PLANS DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT LOCATION IN YOUR ON YOUR PROPERTY? IF IT WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED. WE ARE. WE'VE HAD RENTERS IN IT PREVIOUSLY OWNED SEVERAL HOMES IN THE AREA. WE ARE TRYING TO SELL IT. WE'VE HAD IT ON THE MARKET FOR PROBABLY SINCE SEPTEMBER AND WE'VE CLEANED LIKE CLEANED AS BEST AS WE COULD IN THE BACK HOUSE. KIND OF REPAIRED SOME SHEETROCK TO MAKE IT APPEALING TO PEOPLE TO THAT THEY COULD DO A REMODEL. AND THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IS JUST THAT IT'S EITHER SCARY OR IT'S TOO MUCH OF A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE. THEY DON'T WANT TO COME IN. AND EVERY COMMENT WE'VE HAD FROM OUR THAT THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR REALTOR IS THAT THE ADU IS JUST NOT A PROJECT THAT ANYBODY IS WILLING TO TAKE ON, AND IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT I FEEL LIKE I COULD CONTINUE TO REINVEST IN AND PUT RENTERS IN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY'S SAFETY AT RISK. THE ROOF IS NOW FALLING IN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LARGE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD. IT'S TAKEN A BIG TOLL IN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ROOF ITSELF. OKAY. I WOULD I'M CAUTIOUS ABOUT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH SOMETHING WITHOUT SEEING, WITHOUT SEEING THE INTERIOR PHOTOS, WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE. BUT I AS WELL AS NOT HAVING A FOLLOW UP PLAN IF THE BUILDING IS NOT IMMINENTLY IN DANGER OF FALLING. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO ALLOWING US TO HAVE A SITE VISIT? OF COURSE. OKAY. AND I CAN PROVIDE PICTURES TO THEM TOMORROW. I'LL GO AFTER THIS. YEAH. I THINK HAVING A SITE VISIT FOR A COUPLE OF US OR A FEW OF US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AT IT OURSELVES WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO YOUR WALK THROUGH THERE. KNOWING YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN PERIL. IF YOU WALK THROUGH THERE AND THE ROOF FALLS ON YOU. YOU'RE JUST SEEING THE OUTSIDE. ALSO SEEING OTHER ASPECTS WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, COMMISSIONER GROVE. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND NOT LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. SO WHETHER THE BUILDING IS FALLING OR HOW IT LOOKS INSIDE IS A LITTLE BIT NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING. RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS IS DEMOLITION BASED ON ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. WELL, IT'S ECONOMIC HARDSHIP BECAUSE I HAVE A HOME THAT I CANNOT RENT, I CANNOT SELL, I HAVE A MORTGAGE ON. I'VE INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T HAVE 150,000 TO PUT INTO MAKING THIS ADU. I HAVE A I'VE ALREADY PUT 40,000 INTO NEW FLOORS AND MAKING THE INSIDE BEAUTIFUL FOR SOMEBODY, BUT I CAN'T CONTINUE TO PAY A MORTGAGE ON A HOUSE THAT I CAN'T SAFELY PUT A FAMILY IN AND I CANNOT SAFELY SELL. SO IT IS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. I'M. I AM PHYSICALLY THE PERSON PAYING THAT MORTGAGE. NOT NOT A COMPANY, NOT ANYBODY ELSE. IT'S ME. IT COMES FROM FROM MY HUSBAND AND I'S BUDGET AND SO I CAN'T RENT IT AS IT IS. I JUST I AGREE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, MA'AM. SO I'M IN A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION DOES FOR A LACK OF SECOND. WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. PLEASE. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE DRC, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, TO MAKE A SITE VISIT AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNE TIME. AND WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY? THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OWNER'S SCHEDULE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND PROBABLY SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH. I JUST THINK JUST OUT OF A, YOU KNOW, STEP OF CAUTION, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THE INTERIOR IS LIKE. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE MARKETING OF IT, THE SELLING OF IT, MOVING IT TO ANOTHER OWNER BASED ON THIS. BUT THIS IS THE SAFETY OF IT. THE ELECTORATE. SURE. THE ELECTRIC RUNS THROUGH THE CASITA BEFORE IT GOES TO THE MAIN HOUSE. SO IF THE CASITA FALLS OR IS DAMAGED, THEN I HAVE A RISK OF. [01:10:05] THOSE ARE ALL THINGS. MAIN HOUSE. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THANK YOU. MARKETING AND MY WISH TO SELL IT. IT'S ALSO JUST NOT SAFE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. SO WITH THE THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT IS MAKING DUE TO ECONOMIC HARDSHIP BECAUSE YOU BASICALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO HAVING A DRC TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF IT IS BASICALLY WHAT SHE SAYS IT IS. AND I THINK IT'S JUST HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO DELAY, YOU KNOW, HER, HER ABILITY TO MOVE. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE DRC THEN TO COME BACK FOR THE NEXT HEARING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP AGAINST THIS CASE AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS IF WE HAVE IT JUST AT THE NEXT HEARING. SO JUST WANT TO. YEAH, IT'S IF IT'S YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ANOTHER MONTH MORTGAGE THAT I'M OUT. YEAH, BUT THIS IS PRIMARILY A BUSINESS DECISION FOR YOU. IT'S NOT. IT'S PERSONAL. IT COMES FROM MY PERSONAL CHECKING ACCOUNT THAT I DO EVERY DAY. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT. WE'RE NOT A LARGE COMPANY THAT OWNS SEVERAL THINGS. THIS IS MY RETIREMENT. AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE THREE HOUSES THERE THAT MY HUSBAND AND I INVESTED IN, SO I WOULDN'T CALL IT A BUSINESS. IT'S OUR RETIREMENT. IT'S AN INVESTMENT. AND EVERY TIME THAT WE ARE DELAYED, WE WAS JUST ANOTHER MONTH THAT I PAY FOR IT. AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL, I PAY THE WATER BILL, I PAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE PEST CONTROL, I PAY EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT A BIG COMPANY DOING IT IS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. WE RARELY APPROVE A DEMOLITION LIKE THIS WITHOUT ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION, ESPECIALLY WITH VIEWS ON THE INSIDE. AND ALMOST ALWAYS WE MAKE A SITE VISIT. SO IT'S A TYPICAL 48 HOURS NOTICE OF SOME OF THESE ITEMS, WHICH I DID PROVIDE. AND I'LL GIVE YOU PICTURES THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, SIR. GO AHEAD SIR. ARE WE IN? WE'RE IN. WE'RE IN. COMMENTS. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMENT. YES. THE POWER GOING TO THE CASINO FIRST IS THAT ALI HAVE AN ADDRESS? IS THE CASINO HAVE AN ADDRESS ON THAT, ALI OR IS IT? IT DOESN'T. BUT WHEN I'VE HAD EVERYBODY LOOK AT IT, THEY SAY THE ELECTRIC IS BOUND TO THE CASINO AND THEN IT GOES TO THE MAIN. AND SO, LIKE, THE ELECTRIC METER IS ON THE CASITA. IT'S NOT ON THE MAIN HOUSE. IT'S ODD. THAT'S ODD. STAFF. ANY IDEA WHY THAT? THAT IS VERY COMMON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. YEAH. SO FOR THE COMMENT, I, I DEFINITELY I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GROOT ABOUT THE HARDSHIP OF IT. I WILL ENTERTAIN GOING TO SEE IT. BUT AT THIS POINT, IF IF WE COME BACK HERE AGAIN, I THINK I WILL BE SUPPORTING A MOTION LIKE COMMISSIONER GROOT SAYS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GOING TO SEE IT IF WE CAN DO IT QUICKLY. STAFF LIKE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. IT'LL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY MORNING, AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO THE NEXT HEARING ON AUGUST 20TH. THAT'S TWO WEEKS. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE JUST TO SEE. I MEAN, I THINK I KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH. JUST WELL, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, I'M DISAPPOINTED I DIDN'T GET A SECOND ON THIS MOTION. THIS IS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. WE DON'T GET THAT MANY DEMOLITION REQUESTS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE VALIDATED. AND SHE HAS PROVIDED PAPERWORK. IT IS NOT OUR PURVIEW TO DECIDE WHETHER HER BUSINESS IS A BUSINESS OR INVESTMENT, OR WHETHER WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM. IT'S OUTSIDE OF HER PURVIEW. SHE HAS DEMONSTRATED ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IN HER PACKAGE. THERE'S A SALVAGE PLAN AS A STIPULATION, WHICH I THINK IS SUPER IMPORTANT. AND IF THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT SALVAGE PLAN, I REALLY ALSO SEE THIS AS BEING YOU KNOW, AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER THERE'S INTEGRITY OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN, YOU KNOW, SAFETY. I THINK AS A PRECAUTION TO YOUR COMMENT, MR. SULLIVAN, DOES ALL THE ELECTRICITY, ELECTRICITY COME FROM THE ALLEY? SO IT'S VERY COMMON THAT BECAUSE PROBABLY THIS IS THE AGE OF THE HOUSE. SO IT FIRST HIT THE CASITA AND THEN IT FEEDS THE MAIN HOUSE. JUST HAVE BUILT A LOT OF THE MOST HOMES. I WOULD SAY EVERYBODY THAT HAS AN ALLEY AND ARE FED, THE ELECTRICITY COMES FROM THE ALLEY TO THE HOMES THAT HAVE HANGING WIRES, ALSO FROM THE POLES TO THE HOUSES OVER STRUCTURES, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS GRANDFATHERED IN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, MR. CHAIR, ON THIS. SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ON THIS, I MEAN, THAT WE CAN APPROVE A DEMO AND STILL STIPULATE THAT WE DO A SITE VISIT BEFORE IT [01:15:05] COMES DOWN COMPLETELY. JUST TO KIND OF DO OUR DILIGENCE. IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT DOABLE? STAFF. REPEAT THE QUESTION. I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND. IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO AN AMENDMENT WHERE WE APPROVED DEMO BUT PENDING A SITE VISIT JUST TO KIND OF GET THE DATA AND IF THE SITE VISIT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING? I MEAN, HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF JUST IN THE IN THE ISSUE OF TIME? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T PROCESS ALL THE DATA UNTIL AFTER WE WERE TALKING MORE AFTER YOUR MOTION. YOU COULDN'T UNDO THE ACTION THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND JUST KNOW THAT WHEN THOSE PERMITS ARE PULLED AND WE'RE DOING DECONSTRUCTION, STAFF IS ALREADY MAKING THAT. UNDERSTAND THAT DOCUMENTATION. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR STAFF. UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS DO YOU LIKE TO SEE REPLACEMENT PLANS? WE REQUEST THOSE PRETTY FREQUENTLY, DON'T WE? THE CODE SAYS. AND THIS IS WHY THERE'S CONFUSION THAT WE DO NOT. IF THERE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION PLAN, THAT WE DO NOT ISSUE DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK APPROVAL THROUGH PERMITS UNTIL THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ALSO PERMITTED. AND THAT'S TO PREVENT VACANT LOTS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE CODE A DOESN'T LIKE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT SECTION WOULD BE APPLIED TO AN ACCESSORY. IT USUALLY IS ASSUMING THAT THE PRIMARY IS WHAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED, BUT THEN B SOMETIMES ISN'T A PLAN. SOMETIMES THERE'S ECONOMIC HARDSHIP EVEN WITHOUT REPLACEMENT. AND SO THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. BUT SOMETIMES WE ARE REVIEWING THEM HAND IN HAND WHEN THERE IS A REPLACEMENT THAT'S PROPOSED. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU EVERYONE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? SO CAN YOU STATE THE MOTION AGAIN? RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE. THAT WE HAVE A DRC SITE VISIT AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNE DATE AND TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE. SABINA, I MAY GROUP. HI. FETZER. AND. GIBBS. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. SO ABOUT THIS. YES. MOTION CARRIES. SHE GOT MA'AM IN FIRST. BEFORE THE SECOND QUESTION CAME IN. YES, I HAVE. COMMISSIONER. MAMAN, I ASKED BEFORE. COMMISSIONER MATSUOKA ASKED THIS QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TEN, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER TEN WOULD 2027 WEST WOODLAWN AVENUE. THE APPLICANT, MRS. CHASE, IS HERE IN PERSON. MRS. CHASE, IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSION AND THEY'LL ASK THEIR QUESTIONS AND YEAH. HELLO. JANELLE CHASE AT 2127 WEST WOODLAWN. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FETZER, AND I ASKED TO PULL THIS FOR SOME QUESTIONS. LOOKING AT DRAWING 18 SPECIFICALLY. WHICH IS THE SECTION SHOWING THE THE CARPORT FOR THE RV AND THE RAISED DECK. HOW TALL IS YOUR RV? DO YOU REALLY NEED ALMOST 16FT FEAT FOR THAT RV. I CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AN RV. IT'S JUST IN ANTICIPATION. I DON'T WANT TO BE LIMITED OR IT'S WE'RE MOST LIKELY GOING TO GET A VAN, BUT IT'S ALSO TO JUST HAVE A VANTAGE VIEW OF THE LAKE. OKAY. AND THEN OTHER QUESTION IS THE SECOND FLOOR OF THIS ADDITION NINE FOOT SEEMS QUITE TALL FOR A. FOR AN ADDITION TO A HOUSE OF THIS STYLE IN DESIGN. WE JUST WENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT OUR, IN OUR MAIN HOUSE. SO IT'S JUST CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERIOR OF OUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO YOU HAVE NINE FOOT CEILINGS IN YOUR EXISTING HOUSE? YES. OKAY. BUT JUST TO BE YOU'VE MET ALL THE CONCEPTUAL [01:20:05] APPROVAL STIPULATIONS, BUT THAT THOSE DRAWINGS, THAT CONCEPTUAL DID NOT HAVE ANY BUILDING HEIGHTS AND CEILING HEIGHTS. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO OR CONSIDER DROPPING THAT CEILING HEIGHT TO EIGHT FEET, OR EVEN DROPPING THE PLATE HEIGHT AT THE PERIMETER DOWN TO SEVEN FEET OR SEVEN SIX, AND THEN SLOPING THE CEILING UP INSIDE THE BUILDING UP TO GET NINE FEET? BUT IT BASICALLY SLOPE AT THE WALLS, EXTERIOR WALLS JUST TO BRING THE MASS OF THIS DOWN. I'M NOT A BUILDER. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS. LIKE, MY MOTHER IN LAW CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER, BUT I DON'T. I'M NOT A BUILDER. THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE. BUT WE HAVE PUT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ALREADY INTO THESE PLANS, AND GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD COST MORE MONEY. I'M NOT AGAINST IT. IT'S JUST WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT, AND WE DID IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE PROVIDED IT TO YOU. BUT THERE ARE SOME VIEWS FROM THE STREET AND HOW IT WOULD BARELY BE VISIBLE. I CAN GET IT ON MY CELL PHONE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE PICTURES OF VANTAGE POINTS. IF IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE IN THE SUBMITTED PACKET SHOWING THAT TYPE OF HEIGHT. BUT IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR CELL PHONE, YOU CAN GET THAT REAL FAST, IF YOU DON'T MIND. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. YES, PLEASE. OKAY. HANG ON ONE SECOND. AND THEN THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ARE THERE OTHER. THIS IS ALMOST AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT'S AT THE LOCATED TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT. ARE THERE OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK THAT ARE TWO STOREY? SURE. SO IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING BLOCK. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY EXISTING TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AS THE APPLICANT NOTED EARLY IN DISCUSSIONS BEFORE THEY CAME FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. AND AS NOTED BY THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC GROUP NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. AND SO THERE WAS CONSIDERATION MADE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO KEEP IT WHOLLY DETACHED OR TO ATTACH IT TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. AND HOW TO ADHERE TO FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THOSE FLOODPLAINS. SO I. SHORT? SHORT ANSWER IS IS I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THEIR BUILDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FEDERAL REGULATIONS ABOUT HEIGHT AND MATERIAL AND SUCH AT THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL. OKAY. AND THEN TWO MORE SHORT QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PROVIDING A DRAINAGE AND WATER COLLECTION OR OR RUNOFF PLAN TO KEEP THAT FROM ANY RUNOFF GOING ON TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PROVIDE? I CAN ANSWER THAT WHILE I'M LOOKING FOR MY PHOTOS. THE STIPULATIONS ON WATER RUNOFF. WE ARE WORKING WITH STORMWATER. AND WE HAVE BEEN. WE'RE NOT AGAINST GUTTERS. MY PRIMARY HOUSE HAS GUTTERS, SO THAT'S WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST WOULD RATHER DEFAULT TO STORM WATERS RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION WAS REMOVAL OF SOME WINDOWS WHERE YOU'RE ADDING ON. CAN THOSE BE SALVAGED AND REUSED? WE WON'T BE REMOVING ANY WINDOWS. WE'RE JUST ADDING ON. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT PHOTO? COMMISSIONER GROUP, I SEE YOU. DID YOU WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION NOW OR WAIT TILL SHE SHOWS THE PHOTO? WELL, ACTUALLY, I HAD A QUESTION JUST TO STAFF, BECAUSE. YES, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ON THE GUTTERS. AND I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE STORM PROPOSES SUGGEST, BECAUSE I DON'T CAN WE DICTATE WHERE GUTTERS GO? IS IT EVEN WITHIN OUR PREVIEW? GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GUTTER INSTALLATION FOR AN APPLICATION THAT COMES IN THE ONLY STIPULATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IS THAT IT MATCH ROUGHLY THE FACIAL HEIGHT AND THAT THE COLOR MATCH, NOT NECESSARILY THE LOCATION, UNLESS IT'S GOING ACROSS LIKE A GABLE PORTION. [01:25:01] BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY A MECHANISM WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT DETERMINES WATER RUNOFF WHENEVER THEY ARE GETTING THEIR PERMIT. THAT'S WHEN THEY WORK DIRECTLY WITH STORMWATER. THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT WAS A CLARIFICATION I WANTED. THANK YOU. I'LL BRING ANOTHER PICTURE NOW. COMMISSIONER BESSER. I GUESS THE COLOR CAN MAYBE MAKE IT DARKER OR SOMETHING. JUST AWESOME. SO. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, IT WAS PROBABLY ALSO TO COMMISSIONER. JUST THIS IS ALSO A VERY BIG LOT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TWO STORIES ON THE OTHER SIDE JUST TO STAFF. I KNOW SHE'S COMING UP WITH PICTURES AND BUT REALLY YOU ALSO PUT IN THE FINDINGS THAT YOU FIND THAT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE WITHIN BECAUSE OF THE SIZE. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A CONCERN FROM STAFF ON THAT THING. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND VERY QUICKLY, IT WAS HERE VERY QUICKLY. SO THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED A ROUGH DRAWING OF THE PERSPECTIVE VIEW OF THE PROPOSED TWO STOREY REAR ADDITION FROM RIGHT OF WAY. COMMISSIONER FETZER ON THE SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT. AND THERE ARE SOME HOMES THAT ARE SINGLE STORY WITH A SECOND STORY. ADU IN THE BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN ALSO PROVIDE THE ADDRESSES FOR THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE. WELL, SINCE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND COMMISSIONER GRUBE HAS DESCRIBED THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH STORMWATER, WITH THE CITY TO CONTAIN RUNOFF ONTO YOUR PROPERTY? A MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. HI, SABINA. HI. HI. GROUP. HI, SERVANTS. YES, SIR. A AND GIBBS. A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM 12 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. THAT IS THE LAST CASE. [12. Address/Description:    850 E MAGNOLIA AVE – POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT HDRC Case No.:    2025-186 Historic District Name:    River Road RIO District:    RIO-1 Neighborhood Assn Name:    River Road Applicant:    Felix Ziga/Ziga Architecture Studio, PLLC Request:    Rear and side addition and carport construction City Council Dist.:    1  ] THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.