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THE TIME IS NOW 2:01 PM ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13TH, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SPECIAL SESSION IS CALLED TO ORDER GAVEL.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KO.
COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO ANO PRESENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN IS HERE VIRTUALLY.
COUNCIL MEMBER MUNGIA PRESENT.
[ DISCUSSION ONLY ]
GREAT.UH, SO THIS MEETING IS TO DISCUSS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST PROCESS.
I'LL PROVIDE SOME OPENING COMMENTS, UM, AND THEN LOOK FORWARD TO A GOOD PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.
UM, THE, AS ALWAYS, WITH MY INTENT, UH, IT IS TO MAKE THIS ALL, FRANKLY, ALL THAT WE DO, UM, EFFICIENT.
AND AS WE NAVIGATE THIS VERY CHALLENGING TIME, WE MINIMIZE RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
RIGHT? AS I'VE SHARED WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, AND I'VE OUTLINED IN, IN A MEMO, UH, WHAT THESE ENHANCEMENTS ARE, ARE DESIGNED TO DO, UM, AND, UH, I THINK
UM, NONE OF THESE ACTUALLY ENHANCEMENTS ARE NEW.
MANY WERE EXPECTATIONS AND ACTUALLY PRACTICES.
SOME OF YOU WERE ALREADY DOING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE NOT WRITTEN DOWN.
UM, AND SO WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THEM DOWN TO CLARIFY EXPECTATIONS.
UM, AND AGAIN, TO MINIMIZE ANY, ANY CONFUSION.
UM, I AM ALSO, FRANKLY, NOT NAIVE, UH, TO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE, UM, SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, I TRUST COMES FROM A, OF A GENUINE PLACE.
AND I UNDERSTAND PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MAYORS HAVE USED THIS PROCESS TO THROTTLE IDEAS.
UM, I WOULD ASK, AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN, IN MY ACTIONS, AND AS I'VE EXPLAINED THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THESE THINGS, THAT THESE ARE ALL, AGAIN, DESIGNED FOR US TO BE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME AND TO MINIMIZE LEGAL RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THESE ARE ALL ABOUT GOING FASTER.
UM, AND WE DO THAT WHEN WE CAN ALL HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY DID HAVE IN FACT BEEN DONE.
AS MENTIONED, UM, IN BOTH MEMOS, OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS REPEATEDLY AFFIRMED THAT THESE ENHANCEMENTS ARE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND NOT A CHA AND A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE IS NOT REQUIRED.
UM, ANDY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REAFFIRM THAT NOW, UH, THAT ALL THE ENHANCEMENTS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, YOU HAD ASKED WHETHER, UH, THE CHANGES YOU HAD, YOU HAD MADE IN YOUR MEMOIR.
LEGAL AND I, I HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE, AND IF I MAY, I'LL GIVE THE THREE MAIN REASONS WHY, OR THE THREE REASONS WHY I, I'M GIVING THAT OPINION.
ONE IS THE CHANGES ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY TO ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS THE CCR ORDINANCE PRESUPPOSES A GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AND ASSOCIATED COUNCIL COMMITTEES, WHICH THE MAYOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE, MODIFY, OR DISBAND.
UH, SO THAT'S REASON NUMBER TWO.
BUT PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHEN IT COMES TO LEGAL RISK TO THE CITY, UH, THERE'S REALLY NO EXTERNAL LEGAL RISK TO THE CITY.
UH, THEREFORE, FROM MY VIEW, THIS IS A MATTER SOLELY WITHIN THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME, SOME, SOME MISPERCEPTIONS, UM, SOME MISTRUTHS IN THE,
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IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES AND WHAT THIS DOES NOT DO.UH, SO WHAT THIS DOES DO, UH, ISN'T SURE WE CAN ALL TRUST THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS ACTUALLY BEING ADHERED TO.
UM, THE VERY FIRST CCR, UH, REQUEST THAT I RECEIVED, UM, FELL SHORT OF THE, OF THE PROCESS.
UH, THE FIRST LINE OF THAT SAYS, I HAVE NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER.
I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MISTRUTH WAS THEN, UH, RESHARED IN A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
IT WAS SHARED, UM, THROUGH A PRESS RELEASE.
UH, WE THEN HAD TO RETRACT THAT PRESS RELEASE BECAUSE THAT MISTRUTH WAS OUT THERE.
SO I THINK WE CAN ALL APPRECIATE, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT IS IN FACT A TRUE STATEMENT.
AND I THINK WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES SOME TIME AND SOME ENERGY AND SOME BRAIN CELLS, UM, BY DOING WHAT I HAVE ASKED, WHICH IS HAVING THE CITY MANAGER, UM, QUICKLY INITIAL, UM, THAT THEY HAVE IN FACT BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE CCR.
THAT DOES NOT, UM, STOP IT IN ANY WAY.
WHAT IT DOES IS JUST GIVE ALL OF US COMFORT THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE NOW REVIEWED WHEN REVIEWING THAT DOCUMENT WHERE IT SAYS, I HAVE NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER.
WE CAN HAVE TRUST THAT THAT PROCESS THAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES ALSO DO, UM, BY ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER, UM, AN EARLIER, UM, UM, A NOTIFICATION OF THE CCR ITSELF IS ALLOW HIM, UM, IN HIS OFFICE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL LEGAL RISKS TO THE CITY.
SOME MAY SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, OTHER LAWYERS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT READ ON THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THERE IS ONE ATTORNEY WHOSE CLIENT IS THE CITY.
AND SO I THINK WE SERVE OURSELVES WELL, UH, BY AT LEAST GETTING THAT READ.
AND AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, SAME WITH, WITH ERIC, WHEN, WHEN HE IS ASKED TO NOTIF BE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE'S BEEN NOTIFIED HE HAS JUST 24 HOURS TO DO THAT, RIGHT? SIMILARLY, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE SIMILARLY, JUST 24 HOURS, UH, TO AGAIN, INITIAL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE CCR.
AND AT THAT POINT, UM, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ANY LEGAL CONCERNS WITH THE CCR, UM, THAT THEY WOULD, IF THEY'RE, IF YOU KNOW, NOTIFICATION, I'VE SEEN IT.
UM, IF THERE ARE IN FACT, THOUGH LEGAL CONCERNS THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS, HE HAS 96 HOURS, RIGHT? TO DOCUMENT THOSE IN WRITING.
AND I THINK WHAT THAT ALL AFFORDS ALL OF US, THEN AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T GIVE HIM ANY MORE POWER, THAT, THAT GIVES US BETTER AWARENESS OF POTENTIAL LEGAL RISKS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT DOESN'T GIVE HIM ANY MORE POWER.
LET ME REITERATE, THAT DOESN'T GIVE ERIC ANY MORE POWER.
WHAT IT DOES IS GIVE US GREATER ASSURANCE, GREATER CONFIDENCE, UH, THAT WE ARE BEING THOROUGH, UM, AND, AND ARE MINIMIZING ANY RISKS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT DOES THE, WHAT IT DOES NOT DO,
UH, THIS IN NO WAY ENHANCES THE POWER OF UNELECTED, UM, UH, CIVIL SERVANTS.
IT ASKS ERIC VERY, VERY, AGAIN, WITHIN 24 HOURS, PLEASE, AGAIN, INITIAL, SO WE CAN ALL HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE THING YOU HAVE SAID IS TRUE ON PAPER, IS IN FACT ON PAPER.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE GUESSING IF SOMEBODY IS LYING ON A PIECE OF PAPER, OKAY? WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT THAT EASY CONFIRMATION? I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT THAT? WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES SOME TIME.
UM, AGAIN, ASKING ANDY TO PROVIDE AN INITIAL LEGAL REVIEW TO, TO FLAG POTENTIAL LEGAL CONCERNS, DOESN'T GIVE HIM ANY MORE POWER.
IT GIVES US MORE AWARENESS AND IN THIS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT, IN THIS, LET ME REITERATE THAT.
IN THIS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT, WE NEED TO MINIMIZE THE RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, IF ANDY HAS A LEGAL CONCERN WITH SOMETHING, UM, HE WILL PROVIDE THAT IN WRITING, IN WRITING FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION WITHIN 96 HOURS.
AND THEN AS YOU, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS REPRESENTING YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU CAN REVIEW THAT WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO PROVIDE AND WEIGH IN AND, UM, AND DETERMINE IF YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO, UM, SPONSOR THE, THE CCR.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING.
WHAT IT DOES THOUGH IS ARM YOU, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION EACH OF THE CCR, UM, ALSO, EXCUSE ME, THE LEGAL REVIEW.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T GET STOPPED IN IN ANY WAY.
IT JUST GIVES YOU GREATEST AWARENESS OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT I ALSO FOUND IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF YOU, AND IN SPEAKING WITH FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MANY OF
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YOU ARE ACTUALLY, UM, TRYING ALREADY TO GET A LEGAL REVIEW.AND SO SOME OF YOUR OFFICES ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING, UM, WHICH I THINK I FIND TO BE SOMEWHAT INEFFICIENT.
UM, WHICH IS WHY HAVING THAT LEGAL REVIEW EARLY ON BY ANDY GIVES YOU SOME, UM, CAN SAVE SOME TIME AND, AND SOME, SOME RESOURCES THERE.
NO ONE IN OUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS BY DELAYING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE POTENTIAL LEGAL RISKS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I WILL SAY, UM, I, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE ALREADY, UM, USED THE CURRENT PROCESS, UM, AND I HAVE FOUND IN THE FEEDBACK THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO DELAY.
UH, THE 24 HOUR, UM, HAS THE 24 HOUR REQUEST FOR, FOR INITIAL BY ANDY AND ERIC.
MY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HAS BEEN WHAT MET WELL WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME.
AGAIN, I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS SITUATIONS AND EXPERIENCES WHERE YES, THERE WAS A PURPOSEFUL DELAY.
THAT IS NOT MY INTENT, WHICH IS WHY TO ADDRESS THAT I PUT THE 24 HOUR, UH, THE 24 HOUR CLOCK ON THAT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF LETTING FOLKS KNOW, UM, OF COURSE, WHAT YOU ARE WORKING ON.
THIS PROCESS IN NO WAY PREVENTS ANYBODY FROM ISSUING A PRESS RELEASE ABOUT THE CCR THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
OKAY? UM, I AM ALSO THANKFUL BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED, UM, THAT THE PROCESS HAS IN FACT WORKED AS DESIGNED.
UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, SHARED THAT A DRAFT, UH, CCR, UM, THAT THEY WERE, THEY WANTED THE CITY MANAGER FOR INITIAL FOR, UM, FOR AN INITIAL IN THAT CONVERSATION, IT WAS SHARED THAT WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED IN THAT DRAFT, CCR WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROPOSED FY 26 BUDGET.
UM, AND THUS THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A NEED FOR THE CCR.
SO AGAIN, THAT SAVES US TIME AND ENERGY, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REVIEWED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, UM, DURING, IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, OF, UH, REVIEWING A, A DRAFT CCR, IT WAS HAND, UH, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY BE HANDLED COMPLETELY OFFLINE.
AND THAT CCR, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM NOTIFICATION TO CITY MANAGER TO LEGAL REVIEW, TO, UM, UM, COMPLETION AND BEING ADDRESSED BY THE STAFF WAS COMPLETED IN ALL OF FOUR HOURS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF CCRS THAT DIED ON THE VINE IN THE LAST, UM, IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, UM, MY INTENT IS THAT WE REVIEW THESE THOROUGHLY.
WE DO AS MUCH OF THE WORK EARLY ON, UM, SO THAT THEY DON'T DIE ON THE VINE.
AND THEN WE GET THESE, UH, BUT WE ARE ONLY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL TIME AND ENERGY.
OKAY? I WILL REITERATE AGAIN, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT NONE OF THIS, UM, IS, UM, OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND I, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT HAS, UM, ALREADY WORKED, UH, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH, WITH THESE ENHANCEMENTS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, UH, DESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BEING EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME AND ALSO MINIMIZING LEGAL RISK, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY.
OKAY, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY ONE MORE THING.
IT HASN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW WE'LL HAVE, UM, A DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
AND AS WE KNOW, WE'RE GOING INTO A VERY DIFFICULT FISCAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO MY REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE SUBMITTING YOUR CCRS, YOU DO, YOU KNOW, PUT A SENTENCE OR TWO ABOUT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS ENHANCES, UM, OR MODIFIES A CORE SERVICE, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT IDEALLY IS ALL OF A 30, 45 SECOND EXERCISE.
BUT WHAT I THINK THAT DOES IS HELP US UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE, TO BE CORE AS WE ARE ENTERING A DIFFICULT FISCAL ENVIRONMENT, HOW WE MIGHT CONSIDER THAT, UM, CCR, UH, TO, UH, AFFECTING OR MODIFYING A, A CORE SERVICE IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR VERY CONSTRAINED FISCAL ENVIRONMENT.
I KNOW SOME OF, UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE REITERATED, UH, YOUR, YOUR DESIRE THAT WE FOCUS ON CORE, AND I THINK, AGAIN, ONE OR TWO SENTENCE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, OF SOME OF WHETHER SOMETHING IN FACT HAS TO DO WITH A CORE SERVICE ONLY HELPS US DO THAT.
OKAY? AND OF COURSE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A, A CORE SERVICE, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT DOESN'T GET REVIEWED.
IT'S JUST WE ARE, WE'RE LEVEL SETTING ABOUT WHAT SOMETHING, UM, TOUCHES AND, AND, AND DOES NOT.
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UM, OKAY.I'VE GOT A COUPLE FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COUNCILWOMAN CUSTODY, PLEASE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN ATO AND COUNCILMAN MARK WHITE FOR SIGNING ONTO THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION PROCESS.
UM, WE KNOW THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUESTS ARE ONE OF THE MANY VEHICLES THAT WE USE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CONSTITUENCIES.
AND GOVERNING AND GOVERNANCE IS A TEAM SPORT.
AND HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THESE CHANGES ARE AND ARE NOT, UH, IS OF VALUE TO THE RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO AND TO THIS BODY, UH, IF THERE'S MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PRACTICES AND OR INTENT, THERE IS VALUE IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS AS A BODY OF HOW THIS MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT OUR MAKING PROCESS.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN THE MEMO THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, UH, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE FROM 2023, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE DELIBERATED, DEBATED, AND TOOK ACTION ON.
ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD IN 2024 RATHER, UH, WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CHECK IN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS REJECTED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S CHANGE, LEADERSHIP CHANGES, HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF TAKING ACTION ON AMENDING OR CHANGING AN ORDINANCE REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION.
UM, AND ANDY, I, I, I KIND OF, UH, CHA I, I NOT KIND OF, I, I I CHALLENGE YOUR INTERPRETATION IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTION.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE SHARED IS THAT IF IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND OR IMPACT CITY SERVICES, IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE UNILATERALLY.
HOWEVER, I ARGUE THAT CCRS ARE THE VEHICLES IN WHICH WE DO IMPACT CITY SERVICES, RIGHT? UH, AS LAID OUT, UH, IN THE MAYOR'S POINTS, RIGHT? THEY CAN HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, LEGAL IMPACTS.
SO THEREFORE, UM, BY PROXY, THIS MEMO DOES IMPACT THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO, UH, I I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I DISAGREE.
UH, ANDY, YOU ALSO STATED THAT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER SECTION 11 AND 12 OF THE CITY CHARTER, THAT COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE PROCEDURES WITHIN THE GOVERNING PROCESS OF CITY COUNCIL.
DOES THAT STILL NOT STAND TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
COUNSEL ONE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, MY LEGAL ANALYSIS IS THIS IS AN ISSUE.
IT'S A, IT'S A FAMILY MATTER, AND THE FAMILY'S THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND NEITHER ERIC NOR I NOR THE CLERK BELONG TO THE FAMILY.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL APPLICABLE, COUNCILWOMAN.
SO, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I PREFER TO KEEP THE COUNCIL ADOPTED CCR PROCESS IN PLACE.
UH, ANY PROPOSED CHANGES SHOULD BE DECIDED AND ADOPTED, UH, BY THIS BODY INTO ORDINANCE BY FULL COUNSEL.
UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CONSTITUENCY RELIES ON, AND AGAIN, I I DO VALUE THE CLARIFICATION AND THE MAYOR WALKING US THROUGH, UM, HOW THIS IS INTENDED TO BE EFFICIENT AND STREAMLINED PROCESSES.
UM, HOWEVER, RIGHT, I, I, I VALUE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
UM, BUT AGAIN, RIGHT, YOU HIGHLIGHTED PAST LEADERSHIP, AND I CAN'T THINK ABOUT THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP.
I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AS A WHOLE AND LONG TERM, RIGHT? WE CAN'T THINK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THEIR GOVERNING PROCESS AND STRUCTURE BEYOND OUR TENURE ON COUNCIL.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE DO, UH, HAVE DISCUSSION ON AMENDING THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, THAT COUNCIL SHOULD DELIBERATE AND TAKE ACTION.
UH, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE KEEP THE COUNCIL ADOPTED CCR PROCESS IN PLACE, AND ANY PROPOSED CHANGES SHOULD BE DECIDED AND ADOPTED INTO ORDINANCE BY FULL CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AGAIN, WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, UM, THE PROCESS IS THAT STAFF PRESENTS THE REASONS FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND OR DENIAL IN A PUBLIC MEETING, WHETHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE MORE OF THAT INFORMATION.
UH, WHAT WE DO GET IS THAT LEGAL ANALYSIS FROM CITY STAFF, WHETHER SOMETHING IS OR IS NOT PREEMPTED.
UM, BUT WE HAVE EXAMPLES IN WHICH GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, RIGHT? WE'VE BEEN TOLD, FOR EXAMPLE, AUTO METAL RECYCLERS WHO JUST JOINED THE SOUTH SIDE OF DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, WE WERE TOLD YEAR AFTER YEAR THAT IT'S A STATE ISSUE.
UH, IT'S TCEQ, IT'S OUTSIDE AND BEYOND THE PRE, UH, PURVIEW OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT THROUGH THE PERSISTENCE OF THE CCR PROCESS AND THROUGH THE GOVERNANCE PROCESS, UH, WITH COUNCIL COMMITTEES, WE WERE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT, ONE, THERE'S A FIRE SAFETY PLAN IN PLACE TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE.
AND TWO, THAT THERE'S MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND ENSURING THAT THOSE IRRESPONSIBLE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THAT'S HIGHLIGHTING THAT THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT IT WAS PREEMPTED.
IT WAS THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY OUTTA THE HANDS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, UM, WHAT WE HEAR IS THAT THE, UH, POLICIES THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS RELY ON AND EXPECT US TO PUT FORWARD, UH, WE'RE OFTEN TOLD THEY'RE PREEMPTED.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THIS IS ABOUT ENSURING THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE, UM, THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL THAT CAN CONTINUE AND ALLOW US TO MEET THOSE NEEDS OF OUR CONSTITUENCIES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR EXPECTATION.
UH, I VALUE, UH, THE EXPERTISE OF ALL OF
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MY COLLEAGUES.YOU ALL WERE DULY ELECTED AND WITH THE CURRENT PROCESS, RIGHT, THE EXPECTATION IS WE GET SUPPORT FROM FOUR COLLEAGUES TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.
UM, AND I THINK THAT MERITS MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD, UM, AS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
UM, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, WELL, ACTUALLY, LEMME JUST GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, ANDY, DOES YOUR LEGAL ADVICE CHANGE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU PROVIDE AN INITIAL LEGAL REVIEW BEFORE SOMETHING REACHES GOVERNANCE OR WHEN IT'S IN GOVERNANCE, IT MIGHT CHANGE MAYOR, UH, DEPENDING ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR OBVIOUSLY CHANGES IN LAW, OR IF A PROGRAM, UH, UH, CHANGES IN TERMS OF WAYS TO MITIGATE RISKS.
SO IT, IT CAN EVOLVE OVER TIME.
IN THE BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF YOU WERE PRESENTED, UM, WITH THE SAME LEGAL ISSUE, NO CHANGES IN LAW, WHETHER YOU LOOKED AT IT BEFORE IT REACHED GOVERNANCE OR WHEN IT WAS IN THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, WOULD YOUR LEGAL READ OF IT CHANGE? HOW DOES SOME, LET ME SAY THAT A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE UNLESS, AGAIN, I GUESS UNLESS SOMEBODY, ME OR SOMEBODY ON MY TEAM, FRANKLY, JUST MADE A MISTAKE ON IT.
UH, BUT NO, IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE, RIGHT? SO, SO THE, THE EXAMPLE THAT COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO RAISED OF, WELL, INITIALLY IT WAS RAISED AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PREEMPTED DURING DISCUSSION, IT WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A WAY TO GET TO YES.
THAT PROCESS, UM, AS OUTLINED IN THIS CCR, UM, ENHANCEMENT MEMO, THAT IS STILL AN OUTCOME THAT IS POSSIBLE, CORRECT? YES, MAYOR, AGAIN, THE, THE LEGAL ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS COULD EVOLVE OVER TIME AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION OR AS THE PROGRAMMER INITIATIVE GETS MORE DISCUSSED.
UM, AND THE, THE, UM, THAT'S HELPFUL.
THE, AND MAYBE JUST TO LEVEL SET FOR FOLKS, BECAUSE I, AGAIN, MUCH OF MY, UM, MUCH OF MY INTENT WITH, UH, BRINGING THE LEGAL REVIEW SOONER IS BECAUSE WE ARE IN FACT, IN A MUCH DIFFERENT LEGAL ENVIRONMENT, UM, THAN THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN THIS CCR, THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE 2023 CCR MEMO WAS WRITTEN, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ASSESSMENT, ANDY, OF THE CHANGES IN THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT THAT REQUIRE A, UM, A MORE PRUDENT, UM, REVIEW OF, OF POTENTIAL LEGAL RISKS TO THE CITY? WELL, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT AS, AS EVOLVED, EVOLVED AS YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR NATIONWIDE.
SO THERE'S A HEIGHTENED AWARENESS IN MAKING SURE WE COMPLY WITH LAW, PARTICULARLY FEDERAL LAWS.
SO, UM, WE JUST, TO, TO YOUR POINT, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LOOK AT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND, UM, UH, OUR ROLE IS TO GIVE THE ADVICE AS BEST WE CAN.
SO, JUST TO RECAP, UM, ONE, THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED.
IT'S MORE CHARGED, UM, LEGAL RISKS ARE HIGHER.
SECONDLY, UM, YOUR LEGAL REVIEW OF SOMETHING, UH, AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT IT MAY EVOLVE BASED ON ENGAGEMENT, UM, IS THE SAME WHETHER YOUR LEGAL REVIEW IS BEFORE GOVERNANCE OR AFTER GOVERNANCE.
THE BENEFIT OF THAT, THOUGH, IS THAT OTHERS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY CONSIDER SUPPORTING THAT CCR NOW HAVE THE, AT LEAST THE BENEFIT OF YOUR INITIAL ANALYSIS.
HAVE I CAPTURED THAT CORRECTLY? UM, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, MAYOR.
COUNCILMAN CASTILLO, MAY I, MAY I ASK, DO YOU HAVE, UM, JUST TO, TO CLARIFY WHERE THE CONTENTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A CHA? UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH HAVING, UM, CITY MANAGER WHITE INITIAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE'S BEEN NOTIFIED? OH, INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL WITH CITY MANAGER OF MARK WHITE WITH, WITH ERIC? HERE YOU GO.
WHAT DOES, MAY I ASK, WHAT IS THE, THE, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE RUB WITH HAVING THE CITY MANAGER INITIAL IT SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE CONFIDENCE, UM, THAT THE STATEMENT I HAVE NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER IS IN FACT A, A TRUE ONE? YEAH.
SO WITH THE, UH, A COUNCIL ADOPTED, UH, ORDINANCE, IT DOES HAVE THAT WE NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER NOTIFICATION CAN MEAN TEXT CALL AND OR SIGNATURE.
SO, UM, WITH THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE, IT DOES INCLUDE NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOTIFICATION.
YEAH, NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, UH, IN THE EXAMPLE THAT I RAISED THOUGH WITH COUNCILWOMAN, VITO SUBMITTED THE FIRST CCR, AND IT'S, AND THAT SAYS, I HAVE NOTIFIED, UM, THE CITY MANAGER.
I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER IF HE HAD SEEN IT, AND HE HADN'T BEEN NOTIFIED, NO NOTIFICATION.
AND IN ANY OF THE FORMS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE CAN SAVE OUR TIME, SERVE OURSELVES SOME TIME AND ENERGY BY JUST HAVING HIM INITIAL IT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE, THAT HE'S ACTUALLY, THAT WE, WE KNOW HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN NOTIFIED MM-HMM
WELL, WHAT I WOULD RESPOND TO THAT, RIGHT? IS OUR CITY MANAGERS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN ORGANIZATION WITH THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES.
AND MICROMANAGING THE GOVERNANCE PROCESS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK OUR COLLEAGUES IN TERMS OF COUNCIL DELIBERATION, DISCUSSION
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AND COM, UH, COMMITTEE DEBATE IS HOW WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, RIGHT? IF SOMETHING'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, IT DIES.UM, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE ELECTED AS THE POLICYMAKERS, ERIC, ANDY, OUR FACILITATORS OF THOSE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND OR IDEAS.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RUB.
UM, AND WITH THE CURRENT ADOPTED ORDINANCE, IT IS NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND NOT NECESSARILY A SIGNATURE OF THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THIS, THE, THE NOTIFICATION, UM, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, RIGHT, IS THAT HE'S NOTIFIED.
SO IF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS NOT ADHERED TO REALLY, AGAIN, HIM JUST INITIALING, THAT IS A WAY TO ENSURE WE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS ADHERED TO.
UM, DO YOU HAVE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON HOW YOU'D LIKE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS IN FACT BEEN NOTIFIED? UH, ERIC, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GO ABOUT HAVING CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, FOR SIGNATURES FROM OUR COLLEAGUES? HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT IT, RIGHT? REALLY, THIS IS AN INTERNAL PROCESS.
UM, AND THE MAYOR'S, RIGHT? SHE ASKED ME THE QUESTION, THE ORDINANCE SAYS, NOTIFICATION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
YOU ALL HAVE LIAISONS MM-HMM
UM, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT.
OKAY? AND, AND WHAT I WOULD EMPHASIZE AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IT'S KEEPING THE COUNCIL ADOPTED CCR PROCESS IN PLACE.
AND TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS, THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE NOTIFICATION.
WHAT THIS DOES IS MAKE SURE THAT THE NOTIFICATION IN FACT TAKES PLACE AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE WHEN THEY SIGN ONTO SOMETHING THAT NO, THAT THE NOTIFICATION HAS IN FACT OCCURRED.
I WANT TO, I WANT TO TELL A STORY THAT THAT IS THE BACKGROUND FOR HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.
UH, TWO YEARS AGO, I WAS ELECTED MY VERY FIRST CCRI WORKED WITH COUNCILMAN MCKEE RODRIGUEZ, UH, TO, TO CREATE A FUND FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION MITIGATION.
UH, WE FILED IT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT TOO.
COUNCILWOMAN, AS WELL AS WITH, WITH MARINA AS WELL, WAS ALL PROUD, RIGHT? FILED MY FIRST CCR.
AND THEN I REMEMBER SOMEBODY SAYING TO ME, GOOD LUCK EVER GETTING THAT HEARD.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AND, AND THE PERSON SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS GET FILED, AND, UH, THEY JUST STACK UP AND THEY DON'T, AND THEY DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
I SAID, WELL, UH, I'M GONNA FIX THAT.
AND I WENT AND FOUND THE CCR ORDINANCE THAT EXISTED AT THAT TIME, AND I SAID, I'M GONNA AMEND THIS TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS WORKS.
AND THEN I HAD SOMEBODY IN THIS VERY BUILDING SAY TO ME, MARK, ARE, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO AMEND THE CCR PROCESS? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AGREE WITH JALEN ON, ON THIS ONE, BUT JALEN COMES UP WITH ALL SORTS OF CRAZY IDEAS, AND ARE YOU SURE YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE THOSE MOVING FORWARD? AND I LOOKED AT THE PERSON, AND FRANKLY, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT COUNCILMAN MCKEY RODRIGUEZ AND I ARE GONNA DISAGREE ON A LOT, IF COUNCILMAN MCKEE RODRIGUEZ CAN GET FOUR OTHER PEOPLE TO SIGN ON TO ONE OF HIS CCRS TO ADVANCE A POLICY INITIATIVE FOR DEBATE AMONGST COUNCIL, THEN HIS CR GETS TO BE HEARD JUST AS MUCH AS MINE OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
THAT IS OUR GOVERNMENT, THAT THAT IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE LIVE UNDER.
HE'S DULY ELECTED JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND I BRING THAT UP TO SAY THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS PROCESS CANNOT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT CONVERSATION IS WE MOVED FORWARD, AND I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE THAT HELPED US AMEND THE PROCESS, RIGHT? THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE THAT WERE INVOLVED, UM, EDWARD, UM, RICK, COUNCILMAN ILLA AND AND COUNCILMAN GALVAN WERE, WERE STAFF MEMBERS.
THEY HELPED ON IT, UM, AS WELL.
AND WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND WE FIGURED OUT HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED AS A COUNCIL? AND WE MET WITH MAYOR NURNBERG, AND I MET WITH ANDY, AND I MET WITH ERIC, AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND IT RESULTED IN A B SESSION JUST LIKE THIS, WHERE WE SAT TOGETHER, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND THEN THAT RESULTED IN GOING TO A SESSION AND A VOTE TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE.
THIS THING RIGHT HERE CONTROLS HOW WE OPERATE IN TERMS OF
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CCRS.AND I WANNA READ YOU THE VERY FIRST LINE OF THIS ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS, SECTIONS 11 AND 12, AUTHORIZED CITY COUNCIL, NOT MARK WHITE, NOT THE MAYOR, NOT PHYLLIS, NO CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE ITS RULES OF PROCEDURES IN ORDER OF BUSINESS.
IT'S THE CITY CHARTER THAT PUTS THE DOMAIN OF TALK OF, OF ESTABLISHING RULES AND, AND PROCEDURES AND ORDERS OF BUSINESS ON THIS BODY, NOT ON ONE PERSON.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WE HAD TO HAVE THAT VOTE TWO YEARS AGO TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
THE NEXT PERSON TALKS ABOUT HOW IN 2003, RIGHT, THIS CITY COUNCIL CREATED THIS ORDINANCE TO SET FORTH THIS CCR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN 2007, CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO AMEND IT AGAIN, AND THEY DID.
AND THEN THIS BODY IN 2024 AMENDED IT FOR THE FINAL TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS HERE TODAY.
AND ANDY, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU ON THE LEGAL, UM, OUT HERE, BUT I AGREE WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN THAT, AND, AND, AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY THE MAYOR ABSOLUTELY CONFLICT WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THERE WAS JUST A DEBATE A SECOND AGO.
THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THE LEGAL ANALYSIS OCCURRED BEFORE IT GOES TO GOVERNANCE OR AFTER IT GOES TO GOVERNANCE.
WELL, GUESS WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS? GUESS WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS? THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT A LEGAL REVIEW CAN TAKE PLACE IF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE FEELS IT'S NECESSARY.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE LEGAL REVIEW TAKES PLACE AFTER THE CCR IS FILED, AND IT GOES TO GOVERNANCE.
THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED CHANGES, WANT THE LEGAL REVIEW TO GO BEFORE.
SO THE MAYOR'S CHANGES, THE PROPOSED CHANGES, VERY DEFINITELY CONFLICT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND TO CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE, TO CHANGE THE RULES THAT WE HAVE ALL AGREED TO LIVE BY, WE MUST GO TO AN A SESSION AND WE MUST HAVE A VOTE.
AND GUYS, THIS IS NOT ABOUT US HERE NOW, OR, OR THIS MAYOR.
THIS IS ABOUT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS, FUTURE MAYORS.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BORE EVERYBODY, UM, WITH THE LAW, RIGHT? BUT THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY CLEAR ON HOW YOU INTERPRET ORDINANCES.
YOU HAVE TO READ THEM ON THEIR FACE.
YOU CAN'T ADD LANGUAGE OR INTERPRETATION TO ORDINANCES UNLESS THEY'RE AMBIGUOUS, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T DO IT.
AND TWO YEARS AGO, AND ERIC, YOU WERE IN THERE, AND ANDY, YOU WERE IN THERE TOO, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS CITY MANAGER NOTIFICATION, AND WE DECIDED TO JUST PUT IT IN THERE AS NOTIFY, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, AS ERIC SAID, YOU GUYS CAN NOTIFY ME HOWEVER YOU WANT.
STOP ME IN THE HALL, SHOW IT TO ME, SEND ME AN EMAIL.
AND IT DOESN'T SAY WRITTEN NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY MANAGER.
NOW, IF THIS BODY THINKS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS BEING NOTIFIED WITH SOME FORM OF WRITTEN NOTIFICATION, WHETHER IT'S HE'S INITIALING IT, OR WE HAVE TO SEND HIM, UH, AN EMAIL OR WHATEVER IT IS, LET'S CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
LET'S GO TO AN A SESSION AND LET'S CHANGE SECTION ONE HERE TO SAY, WRITTEN NOTIFICATION IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THIS BODY, BUT IT IS THE WILL OF THIS BODY THAT CONTROLS NO, NO ONE PERSON, AS THE COUNCILWOMAN STATED.
AND I WON'T, I WON'T, UM, I WON'T GO TOO MUCH INTO IT, BUT THE CCR PROCESS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? WE ARE ALL IN OUR COMMUNITIES, IN OUR DISTRICTS, EVERY SINGLE DAY, HEARING PROBLEMS FROM THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEN IT'S OUR JOB TO COME BACK HERE, WORK
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WITH OUR COLLEAGUES, FIND SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES BETTER.THERE'S ONLY REALLY TWO METHODS FOR ALL OF US ON COUNCIL TO ADVANCE OUR POLICY IDEAS, RIGHT? IT'S ONE THROUGH THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO PROCESS WHERE WE CAN GET WHAT WE WANT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS THROUGH THIS CCR PROCESS, WHICH TAKES FIVE PEOPLE, RIGHT? ALMOST HALF THE COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE THAT A POLICY IDEA WARRANTS FURTHER DISCUSSION TO GET A CCR FILED.
THE PREREQUISITES FOR FILING A CCR ARE VERY, VERY CLEAR IN THIS STATUTE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE SIGNATURES, AND YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PREREQUISITES, THE MEMO THAT THE MAYOR SENT EVERYBODY, RIGHT? THERE'S A SECTION ENTITLED PREREQUISITES THAT ADDS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT'S RIGHT HERE.
IF THIS BODY WANTS TO ADOPT THESE OR ANYTHING ELSE, LET'S DO IT.
BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A VOTE.
ALL OF US HERE GET A SAY IN THAT.
AND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE COUNCIL ADOPTED PROCESS AS IS.
LET'S KEEP GOING BECAUSE IT'S WORKING VERY, VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
AND LOOK, IN SIX MONTHS A YEAR, IF WE WANT TO COME BACK, LOOK AT THE PROCESS, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, FIND MORE EFFICIENCIES, LET'S DO IT.
AND THEN IF WE THINK WE WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT, LET'S GO TO AN A SESSION.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCILMAN WHITE.
IN THE INSTANT, YOU JUST LAID OUT, UH, WHAT YOU SAID, THE, THE FOLKS HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, AS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN MOST RECENTLY.
UM, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THERE? HOW DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, AGAIN, LET'S NOT FORGET, I GET YOU CAN, FOLKS ARE ARE DEBATING, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR COMFORT WITH, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT, BUT WHEN SOMETHING ALREADY IS NOT HAPPENING THE WAY THAT IT IS INTENDED, SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY WHEN IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
RIGHT? AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS HAPPENING 60% OF THE TIME-ISH, RIGHT? SO THERE WERE MANY THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING THAT WEREN'T HAPPENING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST CODIFYING, HAVING HELP, HELPING FOLKS HAVE SOME COMFORT THAT WHAT'S SAID THAT WAS DONE WAS IN FACT DONE.
SO HOW WOULD YOU HELP YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES, UM, ENSURE THAT, DID YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA CALL EVERYBODY AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, I NOTIFIED SO AND SO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER WAS NOTIFIED, HOW, HOW CAN WE VERY QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS, WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT A DRAFT CCR? ANYTHING SIMPLER OR MORE TIME TIMELY, OR MORE TIMELY AND SURE EFFICIENT IN THE TIME THAN WITH JUST A QUICK INITIAL, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY, WHY, OPPOSED TO THE INITIAL, PER SE.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR USING THE WORD CODIFYING, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.
I, IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT FROM NOTIFY TO WRITTEN NOTIFICATION, WE NEED TO CODIFY IT WITHIN THE STATUTE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, HOLD ON.
IT'S NOT
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WRITTEN ATION.
YOU CAN IN FACT, LET HIM KNOW VERBALLY, AND THEN HE CAN INITIAL TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
SO HIS, HIS WRITING, NO, I EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU AS WELL.
UH, HIS WRITING TO ME WOULD BE THAT HE HAS RECEIVED NOTIFICATION AND HE WOULD BE INITIALING IN WRITING TO TELL US.
BUT, BUT THIS IS HOW I THINK WE COULD DO IT.
MAYOR, IT, IT, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY GET NOTIFICATION EVERY TIME A CCR IS FILED, RIGHT? AND SO, IF, IF ERIC, UM, SEES NO, THEY DON'T, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S, IT'S, NO, NO, NO, NO.
NOT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, THE VERY FIRST STEP, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHEN, WHEN A CCR IS FILED, RIGHT? AND IT'S FILED, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
DEBBIE WILL THEN, YES, I'M FAMILIAR.
TAKE IT IN FAMILIAR, GIVE EVERYBODY NOTICE THAT A NEW CCR WAS FILED, LIKE SHE'S DONE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, ERIC AND ANDY WILL HAVE, WILL SEE IT, RIGHT? IF THEY, IF ERIC DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED, RIGHT? HE CAN VERY EASILY AT THAT POINT SAY, I NEVER RECEIVED NOTIFICATION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR, THEN WE COULD SAY THE PROCESS WASN'T FOLLOWED, AND THEN MAYBE THE CCR SHOULD NOT PROCEED TO GOVERNANCE.
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THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO HANDLE IT.WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOUGH, IS, AS I ELABORATED, UM, AND PROVIDED EXAMPLES WHERE THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO BECOME A CCR, IT WAS ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE PROCESS OF THE INITIAL NOTIFICATION TO, UH, TO ERIC THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE CCRS.
SO MY, AGAIN, MY INTENT, THINGS THAT DON'T REQUIRE COUNCIL TIME AND ENERGY OR REVIEW, BECAUSE AGAIN, FOR ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE OUTCOME, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET FOR THE CONSTITUENT? AND IF THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL ACTION, AS SEVERAL EXAMPLES HAVE ALREADY SHOWN, THEN IT DOESN'T NEED TO, RIGHT? MAYOR, THEN WHY EVEN GO THROUGH THE HASSLE OF, OF, OF THE OTHER STEPS WHEN YOU COULD CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT EARLY ON? SO I WOULD SAY, MAYOR, RESPECTFULLY, PERHAPS WATCH HOW THE SYSTEM PLAYS OUT FOR SIX MONTHS.
BE A PART OF IT BEFORE YOU WANNA MAKE A CHANGE TO A SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE NEVER BEEN A PART OF, SEE HOW IT WORKS, AND THEN PERHAPS YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IT'S WORKED PRETTY WELL.
I THINK EVERYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE WOULD TELL YOU, WELL, I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, COUNCILMAN WHITE, THE FACT THAT 30 SOME ODD CCRS DIED ON THE VINE SHOWS, THERE MAY BE WAYS TO IMPROVE YOUR PROCESS, BUT YOU WOULD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIED ON THE VINE.
I THINK ALSO AS THE CITY MANAGE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY JUST DESCRIBED THE COUNT, THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED.
SO I AM ALWAYS GONNA TRY TO MINIMIZE THE LEGAL RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I WILL ALSO TAKE STEPS ALWAYS, UH, THAT PREVENT FRANKLY, EMBARRASSING STEPS LIKE NEEDING TO RESCIND A PRESS RELEASE.
UM, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THOSE THINGS, SO LET'S SAVE OURSELVES TIME AND ENERGY.
I, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT AN EASY CONFIRMATION THAT HE'S BEEN NOTIFIED? WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT AN EASY, AN EARLY RATHER LEGAL REVIEW THAT SOMETHING MAY BE, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, A LEGAL RISK FOR THE COMMUNITY ON THE MERITS OF THIS? I, I AM STRUGGLING TO, UH, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BENEFITS, UM, HOW THIS BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PUSHBACK ON THOSE VERY SIM UM, SIMPLE ENHANCEMENTS.
I WANNA ALSO THANK COUNCILMAN WHITE AND COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP IN MAKING SURE OUR RESIDENTS VOICES ARE HEARD AT CITY HALL.
I WANNA BE CLEAR, WE REPORT TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE DON'T, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE DO NOT REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
WE REPORT TO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR DISTRICTS, AND WE REPORT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
UH, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE CCR IS A TOOL THAT WE USE TO GET THINGS DONE ON OUR RESIDENTS' BEHALF.
SO, TO ME, A UNILATERAL DECISION TO ALLOW UNELECTED CITY STAFF TO POTENTIALLY VETO SOME OF OUR IDEAS AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY, I AM GONNA TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO, I, I DO, UM, WANNA ALSO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ALSO CLEAR ON THIS, ERIC, I PREFER TO KEEP THE COUNCIL ADOPTED, CCR IN PLACE.
ANY PROPOSED CHANGES SHOULD BE DECIDED AND ADOPTED INTO ORDINANCE, AGAIN, BY A VOTE OF THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.
AS COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO POINTED OUT, THIS IS A TEAM SPORT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE NEED EACH OTHER, WE NEED EACH OTHER'S SUPPORT TO PUSH IDEAS THROUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE WERE ALSO HAVING IS MY LOOSENED DANGEROUS DOG POLICY PROPOSAL.
YOU KNOW, I TOOK THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY INITIALLY, AND ALSO WAS TOLD THAT IS A STATEWIDE ISSUE.
UM, AND WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF I JUST STOPPED THERE? MY TEAM DIDN'T JUST STOP THERE.
WE, WE DIDN'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.
AND NOW WE HAVE A, A, A VERY EFFECTIVE, LOOSENED DANGEROUS DOG POLICY PROPOSAL THAT IS SOLVING REAL LIFE CONCERNS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THE CCR PROCESS IS A COUNCIL TOOL, AND ONLY THE COUNCIL SHOULD DECIDE ON HOW IT IS.
IT IS NOT, UH, THE, THE, FOR ONE PERSON TO DO.
THIS IS OUR TOOL TO GET THINGS DONE ON OUR RESIDENTS' BEHALF.
UM, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT THAT WAY.
I WANNA, UH, CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT, THOUGH.
THERE IS NO UNILATERAL VETO IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, WHEN THEY SUBMIT IT TO, WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED TO ERIC FOR NOTIFICATION, HE DOESN'T VETO, THERE'S NO VETO IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WHEN IT GOES TO, TO, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UM, UM, UH, SEGOVIA, UM, HE WILL, AGAIN, INITIAL THAT HE HAS SEEN IT, RIGHT? UM, AND IF HE HAS A LEGAL CONCERN, HE'LL WRITE THAT AND PROVIDE THAT TO NOT ONLY THE SPONSOR, BUT FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL RE LEGAL RISKS.
THE CC THE DRAFT CCR STILL MOVES FORWARD.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE CLEAR ON THAT POINT.
BUT WITH THE LOOSENED DANGEROUS DOG POLICY PROPOSAL, AGAIN, WE WERE TALK, WE WERE TOLD, YOU KNOW, DOGS ARE PROPERTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, IT'S A STATEWIDE ISSUE.
IT COULD HAVE STOPPED THERE, AND WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT FOR AN ANSWER.
AND IN THIS PROCESS, YOU COULD STILL ALSO TAKE THAT FORWARD.
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I SHARED, ANDY COULD PROVIDE HIS, HIS, HIS INITIAL LEGAL ASSESSMENT, UM, AND WORK THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, AS YOU RIGHTLY POINT OUT, WE'RE ALSO CONSIDERED THERE.SO, UM, THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE THAT IN ANY FORM OR FASHION.
UM, ADDING, UM, UH, AN, AN LEGAL REVIEW EARLY, UM, ONLY AGAIN, GIVES THE ENTIRE COUNCIL THE BENEFIT OF THAT LEGAL ANALYSIS, UM, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, SO SOUND PUBLIC POLICY WILL ALWAYS ADVANCE IN DUE COURSE, AND AS IS CUSTOMARY WITH ANY NEW ADMINISTRATION, ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE AND NEW INITIATIVES OR ENERGIES.
NATURALLY, AS WITH ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, THERE IS A PERIOD OF ADAPTATION.
AND I VALUE THIS OPEN DIALOGUE THAT WE'RE HAVING.
BUT I, I REALLY DO THINK WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF STATE OUR POINTS AND THEN KIND OF TRY AND COME TOGETHER.
'CAUSE AT KEY, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER, AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S PRUDENT THAT ANY PROCESS PROPOSED CHANGES UNDERGO A THOROUGH LEGAL REVIEW.
I, I TAKE MY ISSUES TO ANDY IF I ASK A CERTAIN QUESTION.
IF, UH, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION HE GIVES ME, I ADJUST AND MAKE FORWARD.
THE OTHER THING I DO IS I MAKE SURE THAT I DISCUSS IT WITH THOSE I'M GETTING SIGNATURES FOR SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES I'LL GO TO ANDY MULTIPLE TIMES AS WE MAKE CHANGES, UH, THROUGH THIS.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S EASY TO LET THE, THE LEGAL TEAM LOOK OVER IT IN TERMS OF DOES THE OPINION NEED TO COME OUT? IF I FIND OUT THAT SOMEONE'S GONE TO ANDY, I'M PRETTY MUCH GOOD WITH HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
UM, AND THERE'S JUST GONNA BE ADJUST ADJUSTMENTS, AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PIVOT.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE MANAGER'S NOTIFICATION ON THE OFFICE.
UH, I, WE COULD LOOK INTO IF IT'S JUST OUR LIAISON THAT WE TALK TO, AND THEN, UM, BEFORE DEBBIE ISSUES IT OUT, WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT ERIC HAS PUT HIS SIGNATURE ON IT IF HE NEEDS TO GET A SIGNATURE.
BUT I THINK WORKING TOGETHER, WE CAN, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET THIS, THIS PROCESS DONE.
I THINK, UM, THE MORE WE STREAMLINE, THE MORE WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THE, UM, LONG DRAWN OUT DEBATES THAT WE'VE HAD.
WE'VE ALL HAD A CCRS WHERE THIS HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, THE BETTER.
AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THIS, THIS IS A PROCESS AND WE NEED TO KIND OF, UM, LOOK AT IT TOGETHER AS A TEAM, BUT THESE CONVERSATIONS CAN HAPPEN IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR.
WE, WE DO NOT NEED TO ALWAYS HAVE TO COME TO A B SESSION.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS CRITICAL IS THAT WE GET TO COMMITTEE, AND IN COMMITTEE WE CAN, WE CAN DO A LOT OF WORK ALSO.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH COMMITTEE AND AS WE GO THROUGH CO UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, OUR RELATIONSHIPS AND HOW WE TALK TO, TO EACH OTHER IS KEY.
AND I THINK WE, WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THAT.
SO, I, I'M PLEDGING NOW THAT I'M GONNA DO MORE, UH, WHERE WE CAN INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER IN SMALLER GROUPS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE COMING, WHAT, WHAT'S COMING FROM.
BUT I, I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT I HAD ALREADY BEEN DOING, SO I'M OKAY WITH FORMALIZING IT.
I'M ALSO, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION, WE CAN HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO TO COMMITTEE FIRST BEFORE WE DO.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? YEP, PLEASE GO.
SO I, I THINK, UH, ONE THING I WANNA UNDERSTAND IS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN OUTCOME IS BETWEEN THESE ENHANCEMENTS AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISCUSSION OF THE INPUTS AND OUTPUTS OF THIS PROCESS.
SO, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR, UH, FOR ERIC AND ANDY AND I, WHEN I WAS A STAFFER, AND THIS WAS HAPPENING, I, I DID EXPRESS CONCERN AT THAT TIME ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION TO SENIOR MANAGER ONLY IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS COMPLETELY WIDE OPEN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW ERIC'S, UH, HOW WELL YOU REMEMBER THINGS, RIGHT? BUT IT, IT KIND OF WAS LIKE, I CAN STOP YOU IN THE HALLWAY AND TELL YOU IF I SEE YOU IN AN EVENT.
I CAN TELL YOU IT, IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY INFORMAL IN THAT WAY, AND I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO HAVE THAT OPEN PROCESS.
BUT, UM, SO QUESTION ON PROCESS FOR YOU, FOR YOU TWO, IF I WANTED TO DO A CCR, YOU KNOW, JUST COMPLETELY OUT THERE, RIGHT? IF I WANTED TO MANDATE THAT EVERY PRIVATE BUSINESS IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, HAVE UNIONS, OR, UH,
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WHICH SOME OF US PROBABLY WOULD WANNA SIGN THAT, OR IF I, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE, THE LEGAL LANDSCAPE THAT WE CURRENTLY EXIST IN TEXAS, AND I SAID, I WANT THE CITY'S METRO HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO RUN AN ABORTION CLINIC.I'M SURE BOTH OF YOU WOULD HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS WITH THAT, BUT WALK ME THROUGH WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN THOSE TWO SITUATIONS AND WHAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AFTER YOU HAVE REVIEWED THAT.
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? I MEAN, LOOK, I MEAN, THI THIS IS, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT GOVERNS Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION REQUEST.
UM, IT, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU.
IT, IT'S NOT IT E EITHER WAY, RIGHT? IN EITHER SITUATION, IT IS THE BEGINNING OR THE INITIATING OF A CONCEPT, AN IDEA PROPOSAL, UH, A NEW ORDINANCE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT'S THE INITIATING PART OF IT.
YOU ALL DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT.
I, I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER WAY.
I DON'T THINK ANY ONE WAY IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
AND, AND REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO HOW YOU ALL WANT TO DO IT.
UM, THE NOTIFICATIONS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN BY TEXT.
THEY'VE BEEN AT MY MONTHLY MEETINGS, THEY'VE BEEN AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
UM, THEY'VE TAKEN ALL DIFFERENT FORMS. I'M INDIFFERENT TO THAT.
UM, IT, IT IS, AND I, AND I THINK THIS WAS PART OF THE, THE BEEF SESSION CONVERSATION THAT COUNCILMAN WHITE TALKED ABOUT, THAT THAT OCCURRED TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, THE, THE MANAGER'S JOB HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS NOT TO STOP CONCEPTS OR IDEAS FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE INITIATION PART.
THE, THE MAYOR MENTIONED THERE WAS, UM, UM, COUNCILMAN MCKEE RODRIGUEZ WAS CONSIDERING RESUBMITTING A-A-C-C-R ON A TOPIC.
I TOLD HIM, I SAID, WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN TWO WEEKS, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO THAT, BUT AROUND NEW CONCEPTS OR NEW IDEAS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO NOTIFY ME, YOU ALL DECIDE IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCILMAN, UM, I AM ALSO AGNOSTIC AS TO THE NOTIFICATION.
I AM REALLY JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN FACT HAPPENED, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL THAT, UH, THE INITIAL TO ME, UM, SIGNIFIES IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
AND ANDY, IF YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THE TWO SCENARIOS I SUGGESTED, AND, UH, ASSUMING YOU WOULD HAVE A, A LEGAL OPINION THAT WAS AGAINST THAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THAT POINT? I, I WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THAT LEGAL ADVICE DIRECTLY TO YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN ON THAT REGARD? WELL, TO BE CLEAR,
IF THERE'S A LEGAL CONCERN, YOU WOULD IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS.
SO THAT EVERY, AS IT RELATES TO CCC YES.
BUT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, OH, OKAY.
IF HE, IF HE, IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER COMES TO ME WITH A QUESTION, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY ANSWER THE QUESTION YES.
IN TERMS OF THE LEGAL ADVICE, I THINK BECAUSE HIS QUESTION WAS SPECIFIC TO THE CCR PROCESS, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR, CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS.
SO IF, IF I WAS TO GIVE YOU A CCR AGAIN, RIGHT.
METRO HEALTH TO AN ABORTION CLINIC, OR EVERY CORPORATE ENTITY IN THIS CITY HAS TO HAVE A UNION.
AND THAT IS CONTRARY TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
YOU COULD PUT THAT IN WRITING.
BUT WOULD I BE ABLE TO STILL PROCEED WITH SIGNATURES WITH THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND GET THAT CCR TO GOVERNANCE FOR DISCUSSION? I THINK UNDER THE, THE, THE MEMORANDUM THE MAYOR ISSUED, I WOULD, I WOULD INITIALLY IT, BUT I WOULD GIVE THE WRITTEN ADVICE ON IT.
SO YOU'RE, EVEN THOUGH, IF IT WAS AGAINST STATE AND FEDERAL LAW, THAT WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD, CORRECT? I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD INITIAL AGAIN, JUST SAYING THAT I HAD REVIEWED IT, YES.
WE WANNA BAN THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT CAN STILL GO TO GOVERNANCE.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS GETTING.
WHAT ROLE AND AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO STOP THAT? I HAVE NO, I, I, I HAVE NO ABILITY TO STOP IT.
IT, THIS IDEA, THIS TERM, UNILATERAL VETO IS INCORRECT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WHAT IT DOES IS ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE INFORMED EARLY ON OF ANY LEGAL RISKS, AT LEAST THOSE THAT ARE UNDERSTOOD INITIALLY.
UH, AND IF I COULD ASK YOU, MAYOR, SOMETHING REAL QUICK, UM, AGAIN, THE, AND I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION POINT WAS THE, THE WORD COORDINATION WITH YOUR OFFICE.
SO AGAIN, IF I WANTED THE CCR MM-HMM.
AND I WAS GONNA GO A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST YOU RESOLUTION MM-HMM
TO GET RID OF THE MAYOR, YOU COULD NOT STOP THAT OR, OR PREVENT THAT FROM GETTING SIGNATURES OR GOING TO GOVERNANCE TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT.
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AS I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, SOME OF THIS WAS, UM, EXPECTATIONS AND PRACTICE UNDER, UNDER PREVIOUS FOLKS, BUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T NECESSARILY WRITTEN DOWN, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS ADHERED TO MAOS.RIGHT? UM, SO, UH, THE INTENT THERE IS NOT TO HAVE, UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS NOT TO HAVE, UH, MY CHIEF OF STAFF IN ANY WAY SLOW IT DOWN, BUT JUST AS A HEADS UP, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AGAIN, IT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY OTHERS.
AND IT WAS A PRACTICE TO PROVIDE THAT PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, UH, FROM THE SPONSORING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TO THE MAYOR'S CHIEF OF STAFF THAT, HEY, THIS IS COMING, AND THAT'S IT.
UM, UH, THAT'S ALL THAT THAT WAS INTENDED TO DO.
UM, I WOULDN'T AT THIS POINT STILL ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO, UH, TO, UM, UM, RAISE THAT OR SHARE THAT WITH MY CHIEF OF STAFF.
UM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO EVERYBODY BEING SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND THAT'S THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF, OF THAT.
AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, IT IS AN ENCOURAGE.
AND ANDY, JUST ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO I GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT ALSO.
THE, THE MAYOR CANNOT STOP A CCR HERSELF, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
IF I, IF I READ THE ORDINANCE IN THE MEMO TOGETHER YES, THAT'S CORRECT, COUNSEL.
AND IF THERE WERE TO BE FURTHER ENHANCEMENTS, THAT COULD STILL NOT BE CORRECT? I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YOU MEAN THE FURTHER ENHANCEMENTS IN YES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CURRENT MAYOR OR ANY FUTURE MAYOR, IF, IF THEY WERE TO DO SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO THIS PROCESS, COULD THERE BE ANYTHING FOR THE MAYOR TO UNILATERALLY STOP A CCR FROM PROGRESSING? AND I GUESS MY, MY ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE, IT, IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW THIS COUNCIL DECIDES HOW THEY WANNA DO THAT.
UM, I KNOW I, I AM THIS WILL, WILL, I'M NEW TO THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, UM, BUT MY, MY CONCERNS LIE WITH THE SPEEDINESS OF GETTING OUT OUR CCRS FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOUR DAY TURNAROUND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY DELAY THINGS GETTING ON, GETTING THROUGH ON MY END IN REPRESENTING MY CONSTITUENTS.
BUT, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK YOU, ANDY, SO TO YOUR POINT, I DO UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
I'M CONCERNED THAT SHOULD ANOTHER MAYOR COME IN THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME, UM, INTENT, USE THIS AS A WEAPON IN SOME WAY LATER ON IF WE DO CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN FURTHER ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN ANY WAY, DID YOU, DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL IF THIS WOULD CREATE A WALKING QUORUM AT THAT POINT? I DUNNO IF YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT ANDY COUNCILMAN.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE LATEST VERSION OF THE MEMO.
UM, WHICH DOES, WHICH REMOVES THE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR THE, FOR COORDINATION WITH MY OFFICE.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S ENCOURAGED, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO DO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'RE I'M, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
NOVA, IN, IN, IN ANY EVENT, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO, TO TAKE THAT AND DO AS ENCOURAGED TO TALK, COORDINATE WITH HER OFFICE? WOULD THAT NOT CREATE A WALKING QUORUM? UM, I, I, IF, IF THE, IF IT'S A DISCUSSION WITH THE, UH, THE MAYOR'S, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T CREATE A, A WALKING QUORUM ISSUE.
I, I THINK, I FEEL I DO UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF WHY YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THIS.
I FEEL LIKE I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THE PROCESS AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE CCR PROCESS.
BUT AS WE MOVE ALONG AND WE SEE A DESIRE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, THAT WE COULD VOTE ON THIS AS A COUNCIL.
UM, AGAIN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT AND THE NATURE OF, OF, OF THE REASONING BEHIND THIS.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL FUTURE LEADERSHIP, THOUGH, USING IT IN A WAY THAT WE, THAT ISN'T OF THAT INTENT.
SO, UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.
WELL, UM, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE COMES BEHIND YOU AND CAN, CAN USE SOME OF THESE AS A WAY, SOME OF WHAT, I'M SORRY.
AND, AND THE PROCESS TO, UH, SLOW DOWN CCRS OR STOP THEM IN SOME FASHION.
COUNCILWOMAN, UM, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM EXCLUDED.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OF ANYONE IN THIS ROOM COUNCILWOMAN THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY MANAGER IS ALREADY IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE ASKED FOR, UM, IS, AGAIN, BECAUSE A PREVIOUS CCR WAS SUBMITTED, THEY SAID THEY NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER.
THAT WAS A LIE THAT WAS PUT ON A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
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RESCIND A PRESS RELEASE.RIGHT? AND SO THE ONLY THING I'M LOOKING FOR, I'M NOT SAYING YOU MUST TALK TO ONLY THE CITY MANAGER ON MONDAY AND NOTIFY THEM IN WRITING AND ALL FOLLOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN ANY WAY.
YOU ARE FREE TO NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
I'M JUST ASKING FOR, HEY, GIVE US CONFIRMATION THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
SO AN INITIAL, UM, IS, IS ALL THAT IS, UH, IS ALL THAT, THAT IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT CAN BE, HOW THAT CAN BE WEAPONIZED.
UM, MOREOVER, THE EARLIER LEGAL REVIEW, AGAIN, JUST EVERY, GIVES EVERYBODY, UM, UM, COMFORT IN AT LEAST WHAT IS THE INITIAL READING TO, TO MINIMIZE DUPLICATIVE, UM, LEGAL REVIEWS THAT I UNDERSTAND IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN SOME OFFICES.
UM, I THINK IT TO THE QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OR WHAT HAPPENS, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I WANT TO ASK KIND OF MORE POINT BLANK.
IF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, SAY THIS PROCESS IS APPROVED AND WE GO FORWARD WITH A NEW WAY OF GOING WITH THE CCRS, UM, AND THE NOTIFICATIONS, THE CONFIRMATION NOTIFICATION IS NOT MET, UM, AND I, THEY'LL SUBMIT THE CCR TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THAT IF THE PREREQUISITES ARE NOT MET FOR THE CCR PROCESS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CCR? WELL, I MEAN, THAT ONE, TO YOUR POINT, THE ONE THAT I DESCRIBED WAS, UM, UM, OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND WE ONLY CAUGHT THAT BECAUSE I ASKED.
SO, UM, AND THAT IN MY MIND WAS NOT A VALID CCR, THAT'S WHY IT WAS PULLED BACK.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, UM, TO, TO WHAT I'VE HAD, I JUST, I ASKED THE QUESTION.
NEVER RAN IT BY ME, NO NOTIFICATION TO MY OFFICE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, AND A PRESS RELEASE WAS ISSUED.
SO, UH, GIVEN THAT MANY PRESS RELEASES ARE ISSUED AFTER THESE, AFTER THESE ARE SUBMITTED, UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK WE ALL DESERVE, UM, JUST SOLACE AND, AND, AND COMFORT THAT THE NOTIFICATION HAS IN FACT TAKEN PLACE.
YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IT GOES FORWARD TO YOUR POINT THAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT YOU, WHAT WE JUST DID RIGHT HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IT'S HAPPENED.
AND WE SHOULDN'T SPEND ANY TIME OR ENERGY GUESSING THAT SOMEBODY HAS DONE THE THING THEY SAID THEY DID.
AND SO A NOT A NOT VALID CCR WOULD JUST MEAN THAT IT HAS TO GET THE SIGNATURES OR GET THE NOTIFICATIONS FIRST, THEN COME BACK AROUND TO GET AGENDAS ON THE GOVERNANCE CORRECT.
UM, I MEAN THAT, BUT WHAT THAT, IF I MAY JUST IN THAT, IN THAT POINT, UM, THE, WITH THE ENHANCEMENT, RIGHT, WITH, UM, THE CITY MANAGER INITIALING THAT, UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY NEVER GET TO ANDY, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT SIGNATURE YET FROM ERIC, WHICH YOU WILL HAVE IN 24 HOURS.
BUT THAT AGAIN, GIVES EVERYBODY SOLACE THAT THE CURRENT STEPS, UM, AND REQUIREMENTS PLACED ARE ACTUALLY BEING ADHERED TO.
SO BY HAVING THAT INITIAL, UM, EARLY ON, WE ADHERE TO THE PROCESS.
UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THIS QUESTION WILL GO TO.
I GUESS IT CAN EITHER BE THROUGH CITY CLERK, MAYOR OR ANDY.
UM, GENERALLY FOR, FOR CHAIRS OF COMMITTEES, I KNOW GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE'S A BIT DIFFERENT WITH CCR SPECIFICALLY.
BUT FOR OTHER COMMITTEES, CHAIRS, UH, WHETHER IT'S GOVERNANCE OR NOT, UM, THEY ALL HAVE DISCRETION TO, UH, AGENDA SOMETHING OR NOT.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS ONE, BUT IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, CHARGE TO COMMITTEES, YES, THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCILMAN.
AND WHEN YOU SAY PREVIOUS CHARGES, YOU'RE JUST SAYING JUST BECAUSE CURRENT ONES AREN'T PLACE YET, OR BECAUSE THE, THE MAYOR HAS NOT CONSTITUTED.
SO I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT ON THIS CURRENTLY IS THAT THE MAYOR'S EXERCISING THEIR ABILITY TO AGENDA AS PIECES AS CHAIR OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN ANDY, I HEARD SOMETHING, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD IT CORRECTLY.
UM, WHEN MY COLLEAGUE FROM DISTRICT FORD MENTIONED IF A NEW MAYOR WANTED TO CHANGE THIS PROCESS OR THE, THEIR PREREQUISITES, UM, COULD THEY DO SO WITH THE MEMO? AND I BELIEVE YOUR ANSWER WAS, UH, IF COUNSEL DECIDES OR AGREES, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I IT CORRECT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR, LEMME CLARIFY THE QUESTION.
AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE ORDINANCE AND WAS, IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND, UH, AND AS LONG AS THE, THE, THE, THE COUNCIL, AGAIN, AS POINTED OUT BY COUNCILMAN W HAS THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE THEIR OWN RULES AND PROCEDURES.
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DO THAT BY ORDINANCE, THEY CAN DO THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.SO JUST MAKING SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT CAN BE DONE IN DIFFERENT FORMS THEN JUST AN ORDINANCE.
UM, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THAT PROCEDURE IS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTION.
IN A MOMENT, I'LL COME BACK AROUND IN A SECOND ROUND AND LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION A BIT MORE.
DID YOU HAVE, WHO ELSE HAS SIGNED UP? YEAH, SIGNED UP.
DID YOU SIGN IN COUNCILWOMAN? I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE
I'M JUST, SO THE, WE'VE GOT SOME, WE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTEN OTHERS, BUT YOU'RE, GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN.
RIGHT NOW, WELL, ACTUALLY I'VE GOT COUNCILWOMAN CORE.
ARE THERE OTHERS? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE FIRST ROUND.
THANK YOU ALL TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WHO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GREAT HAVING DISCUSSION AND START OFF, SINCE WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE SPURS DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU ASK ANYBODY WHAT THEY LOVE ABOUT THE SPURS THE MOST, THEY'RE THE HARDEST TEAM TO HATE.
AND THE REASON WHY THEY'RE THE HARDEST TEAM TO HATE IS BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TEAMWORK.
AND THEY, THAT THEY REALLY BELIEVE IN WORKING.
LIKE IF YOU, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT LEADER ON THIS FIRST TEAM A LITTLE FEW YEARS AGO.
WENT OFF TO TORONTO AND WON HIS SHIP, BUT HE WASN'T A GOOD FIT FOR OUR TEAM BECAUSE HE, HE WASN'T ABOUT TEAMWORK.
SO I THINK WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS FROM US IS JUST TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR POLICY MAKING PROCESS IS GONNA BE.
AND SO WITH THAT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ACTUAL REQUESTS OF WHAT THE, UH, PROCESS IS, UH, INCLUDED IN THE MAYOR'S MEMO.
OUR OFFICE, WHEN WE DO POLICY MAKING, WE'RE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON WITH, WE ACTUALLY GET OUR IDEAS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE GROUND OR THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND WE GENERALLY WORK VERY HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS DATA AND NEED FOR IT, THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL FUNDING IF THAT'S A, A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
AND WE WILL OFTEN, IF IT IS A, AN LEGAL ISSUE, WE WILL CALL, UM, ANDY AS WELL.
WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE MEMO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SIGNED BETWEEN SAS CITY AND CPS FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, WE MADE SURE THAT THERE WAS A ACCOUNTABILITY METRIC IN THAT, UH, MEMO TO SIGN.
AND THAT WAS A LEGAL, UH, LEGAL HELP THAT ANDY'S TEAM PROVIDED.
SO WE GENERALLY GO THROUGH THESE MEASURES.
I THINK THIS CAME UP BECAUSE IN AN INSTANT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE IN A CLASSROOM AND YOU HAVE A SET OF NORMS AND THE NORMS DON'T, UH, GET FULFILLED, YOU CAN EITHER CHANGE THE PROCESS TO ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY, OR WE CAN RESET ON THOSE NORMS. AND SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO RESET ON THE NORMS THAT WE WANT TO ALWAYS HOLD EACH OTHER TO.
AND, UM, WHETHER THAT MEANS A SIGNATURE AS NECESSARY, OR I'M TOTALLY OPEN FOR, IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY METRIC WE NEED, OR WE CAN SAY, YES, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE, UH, CCR WE PUT FORWARD FROM NOW ON DOES GET THE CITY MANAGER'S LOOK ON IT.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE PUT POLICY FORWARD THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE ON.
I, WE WERE REALLY, UH, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS P PUBLIC WORKS AUDIT THAT WE WERE, UH, WANTED TO DO FROM AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I TOLD ERIC, I WAS LIKE, ERIC, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOVE THIS ONE, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE THAT'S, AS HE SAID, IT'S HIS, HIS, HIS JOB IS NOT TO PREVENT US FROM POLICYMAKING, BUT IT'S STILL THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TELL 'EM LIKE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
THIS IS WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE.
ALL OF THAT TO BE SAID, UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND RESET ON THE NORMS THAT WE WANT TO HOLD OURSELVES TO.
AND THE ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP THAT I, I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE, THANKFULLY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO TERM OUT, BUT, UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE TURNS OUT, LIKE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD ADD SOMETHING FOR THAT.
AND JUST TO DECIDE WHETHER, IF THE LEADING COUNCIL PERSON IS NO LONGER ON THE DAAS, DO WE KEEP THEIRS GOING? THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHEN I ACTUALLY CAME ON BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBER BEFORE ME HAD STARTED AN UPDATE TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, AND THAT WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
SO THEY KEPT THAT PROCESS GOING.
SO MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO IT FOR, UM, FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE TERMED OUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT WERE PUT FORWARD RIGHT BEFORE FOLKS LEFT EARLIER THIS SPRING THAT I UNDERSTAND SINCE WE'RE REFILING, WE MAY NOT, I GUESS, RECONSIDER THOSE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO ADD.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'S JUST ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT I HAD FROM THE MEMO MAYOR.
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WANNA ANSWER IT NOW, BUT IT'S JUST ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.LIKE THAT ONE IS TRICKY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE FINANCES FOR SOMETHING, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A CCR, BUT SOMETIMES IT ALLOWS US TO HELP BUDGET IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE STREETLIGHT GAP ANALYSIS THAT CCR, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MKE RODRIGUEZ, I THINK HE DID IT BEFORE MY TIME, BUT NOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY FUND IN OUR BUDGET, HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET FOR THAT, ERIC.
BUT, UM,
AND IT, IT HELPED TO MAKE AN IMPACT THAT THE POLICY HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE RELOCATED FUNDING.
SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REDISCUSS AND, AND SHARE NORMS ABOUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, COUNCILMAN SEA MENTIONED THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S JUST GETTING USED TO THIS, UH, CCR MAKING PROCESS.
AND I REMEMBER THAT IT TOOK ME SEVEN MONTHS BEFORE I FILED MY FIRST CCR.
THE FIRST ONE I DID WAS IN, UM, COMBINATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE, BUT HE DID MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THAT ONE 'CAUSE I WAS STILL LEARNING.
MAYBE WE COME BACK AND MAYBE WE GO STRAIGHT TO AN A SESSION AND JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT RIGHT AFTER BUDGET SINCE I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE PRETTY HECTIC, UH, DURING BUDGET.
BUT GIVE US A COUPLE MONTHS FOR THE NEW FOLKS TO GET UNDERWAY.
AND THEN LET'S DO AN A SESSION AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANNA SEE? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO BACK AND RECHECK, BECAUSE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HOLD OURSELVES TO A HIGH STANDARD, EVEN IN POLICY MAKING PROCESS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE CHANGES.
I JUST AGREE WITH LET'S COME TOGETHER AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE A TEAM.
WE'RE 11 PEOPLE THAT WANNA, UH, COLLABORATE AND FIND THE RIGHT PROCESS TO DO POLICY MAKING.
UH, COUNCIL MCCORDY BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE STR AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, AFTER YOUR PREDECESSOR LEFT OFFICE, THAT WAS NOT MOVING ANYWHERE, BUT MY PREDECESSOR, UM, BROUGHT THAT FORWARD AT HER COMMITTEE.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE TOOK UPON HERSELF TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON.
UM, SO I THINK WE, IT DOES MERIT DISCUSSION ABOUT RETURNING COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CCRS AND, AND SPONSORSHIP.
I THINK ALSO ANOTHER POINT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UH, I KNOW COUNCILMAN WHITE RAISED SOME LEGAL ISSUES AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME HESITATION IN SOME ANSWERS, UH, GIVEN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION THAT IT COULD ALSO WARRANT A FUTURE, UH, IF NOT NEAR TERM EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION.
UM, SINCE IT, IT IS PERTAINING TO A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES OR LEGAL MATTERS HERE.
SO I THINK THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US ALSO FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE MOVE, UH, TO HAVE FOLKS RESUBMIT, UM, CCRS THAT DID NOT GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, UM, IS REALLY IN LINE WITH EVERY OTHER LEGISLATIVE BODY, UM, UH, STATE, FEDERAL, ET CETERA.
AND I THINK WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS GIVE DUE RESPECT, UM, TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN NEWLY ELECTED, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THERE REMAINS SUFFICIENT, UM, SUPPORT FOR THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT, UH, FOR ME OUT OF, AGAIN, RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUENTS WHO JUST VOTED IN A NEW MEMBER.
UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS ALSO WHO ELSE? WHITE.
AND ACTUALLY I WILL FIRST BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT SPOKEN.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN MESO GONZALEZ.
UH, THE REFILING, IS THAT STATED ANYWHERE? HAS THAT BEEN SENT OUT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, OR IS THAT, HOW HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? UH, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN BOTH OF THE MEMOS THAT WENT OUT.
THIS ONE THAT YOU JUST SENT ON FRIDAY.
AND THE, UM, I GUESS CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE 2024 ORDINANCE SAYS THAT ONCE THE CCR IS IN GOVERNANCE IS WHEN IF NECESSARY, CCR SUBMIT THE CCR FOR FINANCIAL LEGAL APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT REVIEW.
UH, THE, THE CURRENT MEMO SAYS THAT LEGAL PROCESS WILL BE AHEAD OF IT BEING AGENDIZED IN GOVERNANCE.
ANDY, UM, CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT IS NOT HAVING AN EARLY
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LEGAL REVIEW IS NOT, UM, OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.SO IF WE CAN DO BOTH, WHAT ARE WE CHANGING? WHAT, WHAT'S THE CHANGE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME COUNSEL AGAIN, OR WHAT'S A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IF WE'RE, IF, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN COME TO ME AT ANY POINT IN TIME AND ASK FOR LEGAL ADVICE ANY POINT IN TIME YOU CAN COME TO ME AND ASK FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND THE STATEMENT WHICH OUTLINES HOW THE PROPOSED CCR CREATES OR IMPROVES A CORE SERVICE FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S A NEW PROC, THAT'S A NEW STATEMENT THAT YOU, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A 32ND EXERCISE.
I THINK YOU WERE AT THE MEETING WHERE, UM, FOLKS HAVE SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON CORE.
UM, I THINK WE ALSO, SO HAVING FOLKS SAY THIS IS RELATED TO A CORE SERVICE OR IT'S NOT RELATED TO A CORE SERVICE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THOUGH, HELP US UNDERSTAND, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RELATED TO A CORE SERVICE, I THINK WE'D WANNA KNOW THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF ANY FISCAL CONSIDERATIONS, UM, OR HOW THAT MAY EVEN BE PRIORITIZED WHEN IT GETS TO GOVERNANCE.
UM, I THINK, AGAIN, THAT ALSO HELPS US UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW MANY OF THESE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO WITH CORE.
LET ME JUST SAY, WHEN I ALSO LOOKED AT ALL THE, THE OTHER CCRS THAT DIED ON THE VINE, UM, THERE WERE VARYING LEVELS OF, UM, RELATION TO CORE, LET'S JUST SAY
UM, HOWEVER THEY TAKE TIME AND, AND ENERGY.
AND SO, UM, MAKE, AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS FISCAL ENVIRONMENT AND ENSURING WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS THAT ONLY REQUIRE COUNCIL MEMBER TIME AND ATTENTION.
UM, I THINK THAT BEST SERVES US AND ALLOWS US EVEN MORE TIME, UM, AND ENERGY TO SERVE ON THOSE THINGS THAT ONLY REQUIRE OUR ATTENTION.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT RELATED TO, AS I SHARE IN THE MEMO THOUGH, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A CORE SERVICE, IT CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD.
MANY OF THE THINGS THAT DIED ON THE VINE WERE NOT RELATED TO CORE SERVICES.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES.
AND SO IF, IF WE CAN TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHENEVER, AND WE CAN PROVIDE A STATEMENT OR NOT, THEN WHAT ARE WE CHANGING? OKAY.
UM, NOTIFYING THE CCR NOTIFYING THE CITY MANAGER WAS NOT HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.
UM, THAT IS THE VERY FIRST LINE IN YOUR CCR UH, SUBMISSION.
I WOULD LIKE COMFORT AND I THINK OTHERS WOULD LIKE COMFORT AS WELL, THAT THAT STEP IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE.
SO HAVING THE CITY MANAGER JUST INITIAL IT THAT THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED ONE TWO, GIVEN THE CHANGES IN THIS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT, WE ARE ALL WELL SERVED BY UNDERSTANDING AND GETTING AN INITIAL READ FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT THE LEGAL RISKS MAY OR MAY NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DRAFT C DRAFT CCR.
I THINK THAT ALSO HELPS THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHOSE SIGNATURE MAY BE REQUESTED AS PART OF THAT GIVES THEM MORE UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING AS SO LEGAL ISSUE RELATED TO THAT THEY NOW KNOW EARLIER THAN WHEN THEY SIGNED ONTO IT, IN CASE THEY WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPONSOR TO DETERMINE IF THAT CC DRAFT CCR ACTUALLY CAPTURES, UM, WHAT THEY THINK IT DOES.
BUT I THINK A LEGAL READ FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, EARLY IN THE PROCESS ONLY HELPS MINIMIZE RISK TO THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, HELP US UNDERSTAND, IS THIS RELATED TO A CORE SERVICE OR NOT? ONE OR TWO SENTENCES.
UM, AND CAN SOME, CAN SOMEONE WALK ME THROUGH THE HORSE STRONG CARRIAGES CCR PROCESS? I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT, BUT HOW DID THAT, IF, IF WE WERE TO, JUST TO PUT THIS KIND OF A TIMELINE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OLD WAY IN 2024, LET'S GO BACK
THAT, THAT INITIATED PRIOR TO THE 2024, UM, UM, AND IT GOT FILED AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO DELAY MOVING THAT CCR FORWARD BY THE SPONSORING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, SO IT, AND, AND, AND FROM WHAT I RECALL, THAT WAS A REQUEST MADE TO, TO THE MAYOR AT THE TIME, UM, TO NOT BRING IT, UM, IN A TIMELY MANNER.
THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER AS BEING SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT ONE.
AND SO IF IT WERE IN, IF, IF THAT WOULD'VE MOVED, IF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT UP NOW WHAT? WELL, THE CURRENT, I'M SORRY.
THE, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS TIMELINES ASSOCIATED BY, BY WHICH
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THEY'VE GOT TO THOSE CCRS.WE'VE GOTTA MOVE TO GOVERNANCE, BE AGENDIZED AND DISCUSSED.
UM, WELL, I THINK I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IN AGREEMENT WITH A LOT OF FOLKS HERE THAT I THINK ANY SORT OF CHANGES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, I THINK TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER S'S POINT, UM, I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AND DISCUSSED AND APPROVED BY FULL COUNSEL.
I THINK THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE IN 20 2003, 2007, WHAT HAPPENED IN 2024.
UM, I THINK WE CAN SHOULD CONTINUE THAT, UM, AND HAVE FULL COUNSEL DISCUSSION WHENEVER WE WANNA CHANGE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO ON THE, ON THE MERITS OF THE ISSUE THOUGH, UM, DO YOU, UH, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING ERIC IN INITIAL IT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ACTUAL NOTIFICATIONS SO WE CAN HAVE COMFORT IN THAT? IS THERE, IS THERE AN ISSUE ON THE MERIT OF THAT? I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE ON THE, THE NOTIFICATION IN GENERAL, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE NO, NO, HOLD ON.
WE COULD CHANGE THE NOTIFICATION.
WELL, BUT THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT PART.
BUT NOW YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE SIGN OFF, BUT THE THE MANAGERS SIGN OFF SPECIFIC NOTIFICATION.
SO, UM, NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY MANAGER MUST TAKE PLACE.
AND IF IT MUST TAKE PLACE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, AND I THINK OTHERS HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME, THEY ALSO WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT IT, IT HAS IN FACT TAKEN PLACE.
SO ALL THAT, I'M NOT, AGAIN, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO HOW YOU CHOOSE TO NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT STEP HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE CURRENTLY.
THERE IS NO WAY TO VERIFY THAT UNLESS YOU LITERALLY CALL HIM AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WASTE THAT TIME OR ENERGY.
SO THE CHANGE IS HOW HE NOTIFIES US.
HOW HE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE ACTUALLY NOTIFICATION HOW HE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN NOTIFIED.
AND THAT'S NOT YOUR, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.
IF HE'S BEEN, THAT'S AN, THAT'S A HOW DO YOU HELP, HOW DO YOU HELP THAT? WHAT THAT DOES IS HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT THAT STEP HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE.
IT'S A CHANGE OTHERWISE, I MEAN, DO YOU OTHERWISE, DO WE CALL HIM EVERY SINGLE TIME AND HEY, ERIC, DID YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT THING? THEY SAID YOU DID? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF YOU DID? LIKE, THAT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF TIME.
SO A SIGNATURE INITIALING IT, SAYING, THANKS ERIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOW WE ALL, NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT'S ALL THAT THAT DOES.
DO YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, ON THE MERITS OF A, OF AN EARLY LEGAL REVIEW, DO YOU HAVE, UM, DO YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH A, WITH THE MERITS OF AN AN, AN, UH, EXCUSE ME, EARLIER, LEGAL REVIEW? I THINK THE, THE, THE MAIN POINT THAT I WANNA GET ACROSS IS THAT ANY SORT OF CHANGES OR DISCUSSION WE HAVE ABOUT THE CCR PROCESS SHOULD BE DONE BY THE FULL COUNSEL.
THAT'S REALLY MY, MY ONLY POINT.
SO THE, THE ON THE MERITS THOUGH OF AN EARLIER LEGAL REVIEW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
DO, DO YOU SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT TO AN EARLIER LEGAL REVIEW IN LIGHT OF THIS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT? I THINK, I THINK LEGAL REVIEW IS, I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US WANNA AVOID ANY SORT OF LEGAL RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? EVERY ONE OF US.
I MEAN, I CAN SAY THAT FOR MYSELF, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, ANYTIME I SEND AN EMAIL, RIGHT, THAT'S A OPEN RECORDS.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS CONSIDERING THE LEGAL RISK TO THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S ALMOST UNDER, WELL, FOR ME, IT'S UNDERSTOOD BEFORE I TAKE ANY ACTION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT PROCESS, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE THOUGH.
THINK THAT THAT PROCESS WILL, NO, NO.
ONE SECOND THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE, THOUGH.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T HAPPENING, RIGHT? IT WAS, IT WAS AD HOC.
UM, THE CHALLENGE AS WELL THOUGH, IS THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MEANT IN ANY WAY TO DELAY ANYTHING, BUT HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS LOOKED AT IT.
HERE IS A WRITTEN, UM, A WRITTEN EXPLANATION OF THEIR LEGAL CONCERNS AS THEY SEE IT.
YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO SIGN ON TO IT, TO CO-SPONSOR IT, DO SO, DO SO THOUGH FULLY INFORMED BY WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEYS, UM, INITIALLY PROVIDED IN THEIR ASSESSMENT.
UH, COUNCILMAN, YOU STILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES? I'M GOOD.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, VITO, THANK YOU.
I DO WANT TO TALK, UH, QUICKLY ABOUT THE, UM, REFILING OF THE EXISTING CCRS.
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YOUR PAST MEMO, YOU SAID, UM, ALL CCRS, NOT ACTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS TERM, NEED TO BE REFILED? NO.WHAT IS ACTIONED IF IT DIDN'T GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? SO, SO IF IT WENT THROUGH GOVERNANCE, CORRECT.
IF IT'S, IF IT, IF IT DID NOT COMPLETE FULL ACTION MM-HMM
FULLY THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, THEN I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE RESUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION.
GIVING, THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS ON THIS COMMITTEE.
SO FOR YOUR AWARENESS, SOMETIMES CCRS TAKE MONTHS TO, TO FINISH, TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY SO MANY DIED ON THE VINE.
SO THEN RE SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY WERE ALMOST DONE, 90% DONE, THEY NEED TO BE REFILED, THOSE THAT IN LINE COUNCILWOMAN WITH EVERY SINGLE LEGISLATIVE BODY, THOSE ONES THAT DIDN'T CROSS THE FINISH LINE NEED TO BE RESUBMITTED.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE SAYING RESPECT FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE WORKING ON CCRS.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE THE CLUSTER MAILBOX CCR THAT IMPACTS ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS.
IT WENT THROUGH, UH, GOVERNANCE, IT WENT THROUGH PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PRESENT BACK IN AUGUST TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN WAITING ON FOR MONTHS.
UM, SO TO ME THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF WASTE, A HUGE AMOUNT OF BUREAUCRACY, UM, AGAIN, FOR US TO DELIVER FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, I CANNOT SPEAK TO, UM, HOW THE CURRENT, HOW THE FORMER PO UM, ADMINISTRATION HANDLED THOSE.
UM, MY INTENT AS EVERYONE ELSE'S IS TO ACTION THESE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO ONCE THOSE ARE RESUBMITTED, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO, I MEAN, ANDY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STATES ABOUT REFILING OUR EXISTING CCRS? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS WORK OF CITY STAFF.
THIS IS THE WORK OF US, THIS IS THE WORK OF OUR TEAMS TO, AGAIN, RESPOND TO A RESIDENT REQUEST FOR, FOR AWARENESS, FOR EVERYBODY, FOR CLUSTER MAILBOXES, CLUSTER MAILBOXES, KEEP GETTING BROKEN INTO THAT TURNS IT INTO IDENTITY THEFT FOR RESIDENTS.
THIS IS A FEDERAL PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO ADDRESS CONCERNS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO IT, THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ALL OF THAT WORK TO BE WIPED AWAY.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE TIMELINE IN FRONT OF ME.
I BELIEVE I FILED THAT CCR LAST NOVEMBER.
IT WENT TO GOVERNANCE IN JANUARY.
IT WAS HEARD IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN, IN MARCH.
UM, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF ON THOSE TIMELINES, BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THAT WORK HAPPENED.
AND AGAIN, I THINK OUT OF RESPECT FOR US WHO WERE SERVING AS PUBLIC SERVANTS TO SOLVE A RESIDENT REQUEST, UM, I SEE THAT AS DISRESPECTFUL TO WIPE IT AWAY.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE BEFORE, THAT WERE VALID IN EXISTING COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WORKED WITH THEIR TEAMS, REVIEWED.
A CCR DECIDED IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PUT, PUT FORTH.
AND SO TO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T MATTER NOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GONE ISN'T RIGHT.
AND IN FACT, WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH MAYOR NURENBERG, UM, TWO YEARS AGO, AND THE MAYOR'S POSITION AT THAT POINT WAS THAT WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS BUILD OFF OF ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT? AND SO WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE REGARDING, UH, CCRS EXPIRING.
ONCE THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS GONE, WE LEFT IT SILENT.
SO THEREFORE THE ORDINANCE CONTROLS, AND THE ORDINANCE JUST SAYS, AFTER A CCR IS FILED, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN A CCR SHOULD BE EXPIRED.
UM, AND, AND THE COUNCILWOMAN MAKES A GREAT POINT.
THE TAXPAYER MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT, UM, DEVELOPING THE CCR, HAVING IT HEARD BY MULTIPLE COMMITTEES TO ALL OF A SUDDEN THROW THAT AWAY AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN, ISN'T RIGHT.
AND, AND I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, UM, MAYOR, MAYOR, YOU, YOU MENTIONED IS, IS IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS? ARE THERE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE THAT WILL FEEL DISRESPECTED IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE WORKING ON A CCR? THAT BEGAN WITH A PREVIOUS COUNCIL.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO, SO IF THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR THE NEW COUNCIL, UM, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT.
THE THE NEXT THING I WOULD SAY IS, AGAIN, AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS HERE THAT FOR, FOR ANY, FOR ANY AMENDMENT OR CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH A VOTE.
BUT, BUT I HAD A LAWYER FRIEND TELL ME THE OTHER DAY HOW SCARY IT WOULD BE IF QUOTE
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ENHANCEMENTS TO AN ORDINANCE COULD SIMPLY BE DONE BY THE, BY THE MAYOR.IF JUST THOSE TWO PEOPLE COULD DECIDE TO ENHANCE ORDINANCES, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT END? I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DISCONNECTION ORDINANCE, THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE? ALL THESE THINGS COULD JUST BE CHANGED, RIGHT? OR ARE YOU SAYING JUST THIS ORDINANCE, UM, CAN BE, CAN BE ENHANCED BECAUSE IT'S A QUOTE, FAMILY ORDINANCE? I MEAN, AGAIN, I, I ORDINANCES ALL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS THE SAME.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL CITY LAW.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE, WE COULD HAVE A MEMO THAT COMES DOWN THAT SAYS, BEFORE YOU FILE A CCR, YOU HAVE TO STAND ON CITY HALL STEPS AND DO A LITTLE DANCE.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO FILE YOUR CCR WHAT IS TO STOP A MEMO COMING OUT FROM SAYING THAT IT, IT WOULDN'T CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING THAT'S IN HERE.
IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT IN, IN, IN THE LAW.
AND, AND I'M HAPPY AGAIN THAT WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A NEW VOTE IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THE CCR PROCESS.
UH, SO LET ME ASK YOU, ANDY, UM, CAN WE, UM, BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION HERE, DIRECT CITY STAFF TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT ANY CHANGES OR SUPPLEMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE HAVE TO BE DONE BY A COUNCIL VOTE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AND THEN, AND THEN VOTE UPON AT AN A SESSION? UH, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT BEFORE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I, I NEED TO VERY, VERY CLEARLY CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID.
YOU SAID, CAN THE MAYOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY? I DID NOT, I DID NOT AUTHOR ANY MEMO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL, UNLESS IT'S LEGAL ADVICE.
IT'S LEGAL ADVICE I GIVE TO THE C CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WAS, I WAS NOT AUTHOR TO THAT MEMO, COUNCILMAN.
AND, AND, AND, AND I'M GLAD AND I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.
AND, AND I, AND I DIDN'T MEAN THAT AS ANY, AS ANY DIRECT COMING AT YOU.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT THE MAYOR IS DOING IS SAYING, WELL, ANDY SAYS THAT THIS IS, OKAY, SO, SO AGAIN, THE MAYOR COULD ISSUE A FUTURE MAYOR.
A FUTURE MAYOR COULD SAY, YOU WANNA FILE A CCR.
YOU DO A LITTLE DANCE ON THE, ON CITY HALL STEPS.
AND THEN IF THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, WELL, MAYOR, YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CONFLICT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND OF COURSE, THAT, THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS.
BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION.
YOU, YOU AN CAN, CAN THIS COUNCIL AMEND THAT ORDINANCE TO ADD WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND FRANKLY, INCLUDING DOING A DANCE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL? YEAH.
IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT AND ADD THAT AS A PROVISION OF THE ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE EVERY ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO, SO, UM, IN TERMS OF, WE COULD, AGAIN, WITH CONSENSUS HERE, OR BY A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO, WE COULD GET ON THE AGENDA AT AN A SESSION, UM, AN AMENDED ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, ANY CHANGES TO THIS CCR ORDINANCE OR ANY SUPPLEMENTS, UH, CAN ONLY BE DONE THROUGH A COUNCIL VOTE.
I WANNA CLARIFY, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXPIRED CCRS, UM, HOW, HOW FAR BACK WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? CCRS SUBMITTED EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
HOW FAR WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M, AND I'M GLAD THAT, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ASKED IT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL, UM, SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION BECAUSE I HEARD A SUGGESTION THAT SAID, IF THE AUTHOR OF THE CCR IS STILL HERE, UH, THEN IT SHOULD CONTINUE.
SO IF THE AUTHOR WASN'T STILL, STILL HERE, THEN MAYBE IT DOESN'T.
I'VE ALSO HEARD A SUGGESTION THAT IF THE CCR IS FILED BUT HASN'T GONE TO GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE YET, MAYBE THOSE GO AWAY.
BUT IF IT'S GONE TO GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AND GOVERNANCE HAS TAKEN AN ACTION, THEN THOSE SHOULD STAY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT IS SOMETHING MAYOR, THAT I THINK THIS BODY TOGETHER NEEDS TO DISCUSS AND, AND, UH, COME TO A, UH, CONSENSUS ON.
UM, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO, PLEASE.
UH, ERIC, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM COUNCIL AND DISCUSSION.
WELL, I, I'M GENERALLY HEARING THAT, UM, THAT, UM, MOST OF THE FEEDBACK IS AROUND, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROCESS, UM, OR LANGUAGES THE COUNCILMAN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, OR
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ANY, ANYTHING.ACTUALLY, ERIC, CAN I STOP YOU? JUST BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMMENTS, WHATEVER THEY ARE, ARE REFLECTIVE OF EVERYBODY'S.
IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL COUNCILMAN.
THERE'S ONE MORE PERSON TO SPEAK, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UH, ERIC'S RECAP.
HE COULD FOLLOW UP IF NECESSARY.
THAT, UM, THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE PROCESS BE, UM, INCLUDED IN AN, IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, THAT, THAT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, REGARDLESS IF IT IS, UM, THE TYPE OF NOTIFICATION TO THE MANAGER'S OFFICE OR ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE CHANGES THAT, THAT, THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE IS WHAT I'M GENERALLY HEARING.
ERIC, DID YOU HEAR ANDY SAY THAT ALL THESE, UH, ENHANCEMENTS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND ARE, AND THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, THEY'RE REQUIRE A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE? MAYOR, I'M JUST KIND OF REPORTING BACK WHAT I'M HEARING HERE.
I, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE COUNCIL'S WEIGHING IN ON, ON BEING INVOLVED IN A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW YOU ALL DO YOUR BUSINESS.
SO I, I, I THINK MY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY.
UM, I THINK IT'S A SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO WAS ASKING.
I I WANT TO KINDA GET CLARIFICATION FOR THIS MEETING ITSELF.
I KNOW IT'S A BRIEFING, I KNOW IT'S A CONVERSATION.
I GUESS, WHAT IS THE END GOAL OF THIS CONVERSATION BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE GIVE? IS IT GOING TO A VOTE? UH, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS? IS THE CITY STAFF GOING TO BE ACTING UPON THIS? OR MAYOR, ARE YOU JUST TAKING FEEDBACK? JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS A DISCUSSION ONLY, UM, DISCUSSION ONLY BRIEFING.
THERE'S NO ACTION BEING TAKEN TODAY.
UM, AND MAYOR, I GUESS, UH, IF WE HEAR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BODY IS WANTING TO STAY WITH THE CURRENT PROCESS, OR RATHER FURTHER DISCUSS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHANGES YOU PROPOSED, UM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR NEXT STEPS, I GUESS? YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I'LL TAKE THOSE UNDER ADVISEMENT AS WELL AS TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT WHAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS SAID, WHICH IS THAT THESE ARE ALL IN LINE WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, I CAN FULLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THE FEEDBACK, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN BASED ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED UNDER A PREVIOUS MAYOR.
UM, I AM NOT RON NUREMBERG, I'M NOT SLOW ROLLING THESE THINGS.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT POINT IN TIME THAN WE WERE.
AND LET ME JUST RECAP AGAIN, THE VERY SIMPLE ENHANCEMENTS, YOU GOTTA LET ERIC KNOW, GREAT HAVE ERIC JUST INITIAL THE DOCUMENTS.
SO WE ALL KNOW, UM, THAT WASN'T HA THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CALL HIM AND ASK HIM AND ENSURE, ENSURE THAT THE STEP IS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE, UM, AN EARLIER LEGAL REVIEW BY THE ATTORNEY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO SIGN ON TO THAT HAS THE FULL BENEFIT OF THEIR INITIAL LEGAL REVIEW.
WE'RE ENTERING INTO, ENTERING INTO A VERY DIFFICULT FISCAL ENVIRONMENT.
HELP US UNDERSTAND IF WHAT YOU'RE, UM, TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR CCR HAS TO DO WITH A CORE SERVICE.
UM, AGAIN, THESE I THINK ARE, ARE, ARE SIMPLE ASKS AND, UH, TOTALLY IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
QUESTIONS, DEBBIE, I THINK ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PIECE ABOUT, UM, THE MERITS OF THE CON OR MERITS OF THE CHANGES? I'M INTERESTED TO LOOK MORE INTO THE PIECES ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS, UM, COMPARED TO BUDGETARY.
ASK AND SEE WHAT THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY GO THROUGH THE GOVERNANCE, UH, COMMITTEE, WHAT THOSE ACTIONS ARE.
UM, I THINK MAYBE RESOLUTION MAY BE A BIT FASTER ON CERTAIN, UH, CERTAIN CCRS THAT RELATE TO, I THINK ABOUT STREET RENAMING MUSIC.
THINK ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF PIECES LIKE THAT THAT AREN'T AS A HEAVY LOAD FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON.
UH, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE A BIT FASTER, THAT'S ALWAYS APPRECIATED.
UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY I'M UNCOMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD ON THESE NEWS CHANGES.
UM, ABSOLUTELY WOULD PREFERRED, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND A, A VOTE SIMILAR TO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE, UH, OR THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH AN ORDINANCE BEFORE.
UM, I STILL SEE THE VALUE IN COORDINATING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I THINK, UH, MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE DONE THAT WITH THEIR CCRS BEFORE THOSE OTHER ACTIONS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL AND MAKES IT GO A BIT EASIER FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, AND I THINK, BUT I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT I THINK THAT IS THE, THAT IS A CHOICE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE.
SO I THINK LESS SO ON THE PARTICULAR MEMO ITSELF, BUT EVEN THE ORDINANCE OF THE PAST, I THINK IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'D BE MY PREFERENCE TO TALK TO CITY MANAGEMENT A LITTLE BIT AND TALK WITH THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK I WANNA REQUIRE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO SO.
UM, IS IT MORE EFFECTIVE IF THEY DO? SURE.
IS IT MORE EFFECTIVE THEY LET OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW TOO, THAT AREN'T SIGNING ON TO CCR THAT'S GOING THROUGH? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S UP TO THEM TO DO THAT, THAT PIECE.
AND IF THEY DON'T, AND IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PIECE IS NEXT.
IF THE, IF YOU FEEL AS THE CHAIR, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
THAT'S UP TO YOU PERSONALLY FOR THE, THE, AS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE PERSONALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, AT LEAST AGREEING ON, ON THESE PIECES RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THE NOTIFICATION PIECE? I THINK YOU, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT LAST PART.
I, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS JUST THAT I'M CURRENTLY INCREDIBLE WITH THE, THE CHANGES, BUT I THINK I SEE THE VALUE IN COORDINATING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SEE THE VALUE IN COORDINATING CITY MANAGEMENT OFFICE.
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I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO SO IF THEY WANNA PUSH FORWARD A POLICY, UM, I THINK WE'LL GET THOSE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.I UNDERSTAND YOUR PIECE ABOUT DOES IT TAKE MORE TIME TO DO SO? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY OR, YEAH.
AND AND TO BE CLEAR, I NEVER SAID COORDINATE WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, THIS IS LITERALLY JUST DOING THE CURRENT PROCESS, BUT LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
SO THE NOTIFICATION THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY MANAGER, NO CHANGE THERE.
IT WOULD BE JUST LITERALLY INITIALLY IT, SO THE REST OF US KNOW THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, IT'S NOT A COORDINATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT'S JUST A, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THEY'VE SEEN IT.
UM, AND THAT FRANKLY, IF THERE'S ANYTHING PATENTLY ILLEGAL, YEAH.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL, WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT FROM AN AWARENESS OF THAT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN AGAIN, THIS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO I'M ONLY HERE FOR TWO MONTHS.
UM,
UM, SO I JUST HEARING WHAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING, BUT YES,
UM, BUT LET ME JUST START WITH, UM, OKAY.
UM, SO IF A CCR HAS CHANGES ALONG THE PROCESS, WILL NEW SIGNATURES NEED TO BE COLLECTED ALONG THAT PROCESS? IF A CCR, UM, FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DID NOT GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, THEN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RESUBMITTED? CORRECT.
SO UNDER THIS NEW ONE, AND LET'S SAY WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, UH, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SOME MORE CHANGES TO THE CCR, CAN WE MAKE CHANGES TO THAT CCR AND WILL WE STILL NEED NEW SIGNATURES FOR THAT CCR? I MEAN, THE CCC, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE CCR PROCESS IF IT'S, IF IT'S A NEW CCR, IT JUST GOES THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS.
SORRY, THE DISCUSSION HERE WAS ABOUT THOSE THAT WERE CCRS IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOT SEEK COMPLETION AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE RESUBMITTED.
UM, SO THAT THIS COUNCIL, UM, HAS, UH, AGAIN, THE FULL WEIGHT AND OPINION OF THIS COUNCIL, NOT THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO IN TERMS OF THIS COUNSEL, IF A CCR IS FILED, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SIGNATURES NOW IF WE WANT TO MAKE MORE CHANGES.
AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, WILL NEW SIGNATURES BE REQUIRED? MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT ANSWERING THAT.
SO, UM, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, UM, AS THE, AS THE POLICY ISSUE IS GOING THROUGH THE COMMITTEE, THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE PROCESS, THERE COULD BE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT, RIGHT.
BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE RE SIGNATURES BECAUSE IT'S IN PROCESS OF EITHER COMMITTEE REVIEW OR STAFF REVIEW OR POLICY DEBATE.
AND, AND SOMETIMES THEY EBB AND FLOW DEPENDING ON THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A RESET AND A, UH, OF SIGNATURES TO OKAY.
SO THAT CLARIFIES MY FIRST PART.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A BRIEFING, SO THERE'S LIKE NO ACTION THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN, BUT WITH THESE NEW ENHANCEMENTS, ARE, ARE THEY JUST GONNA HAPPEN REGARDLESS OR, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE LIKE IT, IT'S ALL FEEDBACK.
UM, SO ARE WE JUST, IF WE WALK OUTTA THIS ROOM, ARE WE JUST EXPECTED TO FOLLOW THE NEW ENHANCEMENTS? UH, 'CAUSE MY OFFICE HAS ALREADY BEEN DOING THAT JUST TO PREPARE.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO ASK US, LIKE, PERSONALLY, IF I FILED A CCR, I WOULD WANNA KNOW IF I'M BEING SUED.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF DOING OUR PART WITH JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT ASPECT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, SO YEAH, LIKE, I GUESS GOING BACK TO NEXT STEPS WHEN WE WALK OUT OF THIS ROOM, WHICH PROCESS ARE WE FOLLOWING WITH THE CCRS? WELL, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK HERE AND I'LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
UM, YEAH, THEN I GUESS ALL THAT I CAN SAY IS I'M, I'M MUCH OF AN OUTSIDER COMING INTO THIS PROCESS.
UM, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS POLICY CONVERSATION.
I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU ASK MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS, UM, THE CCR PROCESS DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THEIR LIVES TOO OFTEN UNLESS, UNTIL IT DOES, RIGHT? AND THIS CAN BE, WHETHER IT'S A HOUSING POLICY TO HELP TENANTS OR A NEW CODE COMPLIANCE TO HELP RESIDENTS JUST COME INTO APPLIANCE MORE EASILY.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK THE ONLY SUGGESTION I HAVE, AND AGAIN, UH, IT IT MIGHT JUST BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO MOVE THIS TO AN A SESSION AND HAVE THE FULL COUNCIL DECIDE ON THIS.
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BUT MY ONLY ISSUE IS LIKE WHEN, WHEN OUR OUT, UH, WHEN OUR CONSTITUENTS READ CCRS, THEY KIND OF DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF THAT.AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER MAKING IT SOMETHING MORE ACCESSIBLE, LIKE A POLICY REQUEST OR SOMETHING, UM, JUST SO THAT WE JUST HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY, UM, WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE.
UM, I, I THINK I'D RATHER STICK TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
'CAUSE IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL THINKS THAT WE AS A BODY, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO CCRS, THIS IS OUR COUNCIL TOOL, THEN IT SHOULD BE WITHIN OUR RIGHT AS A COUNCIL TO JUST KIND OF DECIDE THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
'CAUSE WE HAVE BUDGET, WE HAVE PRODUCT MARVEL, LIKE WE HAVE BIGGER ISSUES THAN WE NEED TO HANDLE.
UM, AND SO I I, I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MOVE THIS FORWARD, VOTE ON IT AND THEN LET'S, AND THEN LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
UM, SO I KNOW THE MAYOR'S ALREADY SAID WE HAVE TO REFILE FOR THIS LAST ONE.
IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO TAKE UP, COULD WE ADD THAT TO THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS FROM NOW? YES.
COUNCILWOMAN? THE ANSWER IS YES.
I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
SOMETHING I KNOW THAT, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY RESPECT THAT THE MAYOR'S ALREADY MADE THE DECISION.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS, UM, LIKE THERE'S POLICY.
I I MEAN, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S WHETHER YOU, IF YOU WERE STILL ON THE DA, YOUR POLICY MOVES FORWARD IF YOU WERE THE SIGNER OR ONE OF THE SIGNERS.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE NO LONGER, THEN MAYBE THOSE KIND OF SUNSET FOR, FOR SIMILAR TO THE PROCESS.
I THINK I TOTALLY HEAR THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS SIMILAR TO OTHER LEGISLATIVE BODIES, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WE DON'T HAVE A SET, UM, TIMEFRAME IN WHICH WE ARE LEGISLATING.
SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY, UH, EVOLVING AND CONSTANTLY MAKING POLICY.
AND SOMETIMES A POLICY THAT IS IN THE WORKS MIGHT BE, UM, AFFECTING BUDGET FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO LIKE THE WAY OUR STATE DOES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERY TWO YEARS AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANCE THEY GET.
AND TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE IT MIGHT BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH OFTEN POLICIES DO RESURFACE.
BUT, UM, SO I DO THINK SINCE WE ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING POLICY, WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A SET SIX MONTH PERIOD FOR CCRS THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT MAKES US MORE NIMBLE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE SEE, UM, AT THE STATE IS THEY'RE HAVING TO REDO EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID THAT SET.
LIKE SOME OF THOSE LAWS THAT GOT, UH, BASICALLY VETOED AT THE VERY END BY THE GOVERNOR, THEY HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
UH, I KNOW THE DANGEROUS DOG ONE WAS ONE, THERE'S SEVERAL THAT THE, THE GOVERNOR VETOED.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS HARD.
UH, SO I THINK US BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON POLICY AT ALL TIMES IS A GOOD FLEXIBILITY THAT WE SHOULD MAINTAIN.
UM, BUT OF COURSE, SINCE IT'S, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY ABIDE BY THE CURRENT DECISION.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, UM, JUST AS SOME OF THE, THE CONVERSATION THAT HAS COME UP AROUND LIKE WHAT THE, THE PROPER NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS.
IF WE DO DECIDE, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE WAYS WE COULD DO THIS IN AN EFFICIENT WAY IS DOCUSIGN.
SO WE COULD GET, UH, A MEMBERSHIP FOR DOCUSIGN SO THAT IT'S ALSO A PAIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, LIKE, WHEN WE'RE SIGNING CCRS AND YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY TAKE IT LIKE, HEY, ARE YOU AT CITY HALL? CAN I COME IT, BRING IT TO YOU? AND THEN I HAVE TO TAKE THE SAME DOCUMENT AND BRING IT.
AND THAT'S WHY OFTEN AT B SESSION WE'RE LIKE SITTING OVER HERE PASSING OUT CCRS.
SO IF WE DID DECIDE, UM, AT OUR, AT THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE WANT, UH, ANDY AND UM, ERIC TO SIGN IT OFF AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD SEND A DOCUSIGN OUT AND THEN EVERYBODY COULD DO IT AT THE SAME TIME AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT TWO DAYS.
IF WE DECIDE THAT, LET'S GET A, A ENTERPRISE VERSION OF THAT.
I KNOW CRAIG'S GONNA HATE ME FOR THAT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE IT EFFICIENT.
UM, LIKE THE MAYOR IS SAYING OF THE PROCESS COUNCILWOMAN TO CLARIFY, UH, THE INITIAL COULD HAVE BEEN HARD, LIKE WITH AN ACTUAL PEN OR, UM, E-SIGNATURE.
UM, THAT WAS ALWAYS, YEAH, THAT WAS ALWAYS IN TIME.
BUT SO WHEN YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENTERPRISE VERSION, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR ONE PERSON TO SEND IT BACK TO YOU AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AND SEND IT TO THE OTHER PERSON, VERSUS IF YOU PAY FOR IT, YOU CAN SIT IT AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THOUGH.
IT'S NOT AN, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE LIKE A HARD SIGNATURE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR THE SECOND? UM, WELL THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE COMMENTS.
UM, WE'VE DONE TWO ROUNDS AND, UH, WE WILL, UM, GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AGAIN, THE, THE INTENT HERE WAS ALWAYS TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT? BE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME FOCUS ONLY ON THE, ONLY ON THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS
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ON AS A COUNCIL, MINIMIZE RISK TO IT.UM, THE, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ASKING ERIC TO INITIAL IT AN EARLY LEGAL REVIEW, UM, AND THEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CORE.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL, UM, THINGS THAT ARE NOT HEAVY LIFTS IN ANY WAY.
UM, I THINK THE, UM, UM, I GET, LOOK, I GET IT.
THE SCAR TISSUE FROM PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS THAT TRIED TO THROTTLE YOUR STUFF, I GET IT.
UM, AND AGAIN, EACH OF THESE THINGS ARE DESIGNED TO MOVE FASTER AND, UH, AND MINIMIZE LEGAL RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION At any time during the meeting, the City Council may recess into executive session in the Presidio Conference Room to consult with the City Attorney's Office (Texas Government Code Section 551.071) and deliberate or discuss any of the following: ]
THE TIME IS NOW 3:50 PM ON AUGUST 13TH.UM, THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 5 5, 1 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND TO DELIBERATE OR DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0 8 7, THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0 7 2, AND LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO LITIGATION INVOLVING THE CITY, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, ALL PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51, UH, 0 7 1.
OKAY, THE TIME IS NOW 4:25 PM ON AUGUST 13TH AND THE SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OKAY, THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.