* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES STATEMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSANTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. THE TIME IS ONE OH TWO AND I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. ALRIGHT, I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, MARCO BARROS. UH, DISTRICT NINE, ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN. JOHN KELLY, DISTRICT EIGHT. DANIEL KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, EF DISTRICT TWO. JOHN WHITSETT, DISTRICT 10 GEORGE OSA, DISTRICT THREE. EDDIE PETE RODRIGUEZ, DISTRICT FOUR KEN HUI, DISTRICT SIX. JANELLE CHASE MAYOR'S OFFICE. ALRIGHT. STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. YES. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UM, WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER HERE 'CAUSE I WANNA TAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRI PRIVILEGE TO WELCOME UH, THREE NEW COMMISSIONERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. BUT WATCH THESE MEETINGS. UH, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WE DO IN FACT HAVE THREE NEW COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER MIA LO FROM DISTRICT TWO. WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ FROM DISTRICT FOUR AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KELLY FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. AND SO WE WELCOME THEM. WE WELCOME UH, THEIR EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY BRING TO THIS COMMISSION AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM HERE. ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO BEGINNING OUR MEETING, UH, IF STAFF WOULD PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF. IF YOU WOULD, BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES. UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT WILL SHOW THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING, YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT WILL, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. AND PLEASE ANNOUNCE WHEN THAT SPEAKER IS GOING UP TO THE PODIUM THAT YOU ARE YIELDING YOUR TIME. THE APPLICANT THEN WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. [Zoning Items  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pproval of Minutes  ] ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER ITEMS? JUST THE MINUTES. JUST THE MINUTES. JUST THE MINUTES. ALRIGHT. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE MINUTES, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES? AMENDMENTS, QUIBBLES, COMPLAINTS. LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER CHASE. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS, UH, SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS. UH, THIS VOTE SHALL BE BY ACCLIMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY TODAY. OH, I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AND SHE REALLY LOVES HUGS. NO, I'M KIDDING. . UM, JUST WANTED TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO SAMANTHA. ONE OF MY PLANNERS. SHE'S AWESOME. SO EVERYBODY SHOULD SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY. I MEAN, EVERYONE'S BEEN THREATENING TO SING THIS. DO WE WANT TO SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY? I'M GONNA TURN OFF MY MICROPHONE, BUT I THINK NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO SING JUST FOR THE SAKE. WE DON'T HAVE TO SING BUT WANT IT EVERYONE, IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY. YOU GET TO CHOOSE . ALRIGHT, MORE. THE RECORD WON. S BECAUSE THE BIRTHDAY GIRL DON'T LIKE YOU TO SING. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL NOT SING AT THE REQUEST OF THE BIRTHDAY GIRL. ALRIGHT. UM, THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, UH, BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THE TIME IS 3 0 1 AND THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.