* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD [3:00 PM – Call to Order] AFTERNOON EVERYONE. TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS STORY DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2025. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM. PRESENT SAVINO HERE. VELAZQUEZ GALLOWAY. MOOKA GUEVARA. HERE, GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, CINA. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND VICE SHERRY JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT, WHICH SHOULD TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS SHOULD BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, I WANTED TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT A NEW PROGRAM BY OHP. UM, SO HOPEFULLY HERE ON THE SCREEN, WE'LL SEE IT IN A SECOND. UM, SO ANNOUNCING OUR NEW PRESERVATION ACADEMY. UM, THIS IS A NEW CLASSROOM EDUCATIONAL SERIES, UM, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING HOW TO TAKE CARE OF OLD BUILDINGS, UM, PRESERVATION POLICY AT THE CITY, UM, DOING WORK WITH PERMITS AND TAX INCENTIVES AND ALL NAVIGATING THOSE PROCESSES. UM, AND ALSO HOW TO MAKE BUILDINGS MORE ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY, UM, AND, AND MORE. UM, AND SO THE FIRST, UH, SESSION WILL BE, UH, RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM, UM, ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH IN THE MORNING. UM, THIS IS A FREE EVENT FOR ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE. UM, THERE IS A PLACE ON ESSAY SPEAKUP FOR REGISTRATION WHERE YOU CAN TELL US YOU'RE COMING IN RSVP. UM, WE WILL HAVE BREAKFAST AND COFFEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THOSE THAT ATTEND. UM, THE NEXT UH, SESSION WILL BE, IT'LL BE MONTHLY. UM, WE'LL BE ON OCTOBER 7TH. UM, WE'LL BE ALL ABOUT HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE AND SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT ONE'S GONNA BE VIRTUAL. AND SO THERE'LL BE A MIXTURE OF IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO WE WELCOME EVERYONE TO GOOGLE PRESERVATION ACADEMY OR VISIT SA SPEAKUP.COM AND SEARCH FOR PRESERVATION ACADEMY. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND ALL OF THE UPCOMING EVENTS THERE. UM, AND WITH THAT WE CAN DO, UH, ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 20TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 20TH, 2025. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] UM, BACK TO THE SCREEN. UH, WE HAVE 10 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, BUT WE DO HAVE [00:05:01] VOICEMAILS FOR A COUPLE THAT WILL PLAY AT THIS TIME, STARTING WITH ITEM TWO. I JUST BEAR WITH ME ONE MINUTE PLEASE. OUR FILES HAVE GONE MISSING, SO GIVE US ONE SECOND. ARE YOU IN TODAY'S FOLDER, EDWARD? THE THIRD AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 11 3 27 DONALDSON. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE SUPPORT STAFF SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CONCEPTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WE EXPRESS CONCERN WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS ITS ROOF LINE, EVEN WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS INCONGRUENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DOES NOT RELATE TO THE MAIN HOUSE IN REGARDS TO THE CARPORT. ITS ROOF LINE MUST BE FLAT AND ITS POSITION ON THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE REEVALUATED BASED ON THE SEPARATION DISTANCE SHOWN OF THE CARPORT TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOME, PLUS OR MINUS FIVE FEET. THE TWO STRUCTURES ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, THE CARPORT LOOMS OVER THE MAIN HOME. ALSO, FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, TWO CARS MANEUVERING THE TIGHTLY CONSTRAINED PARKING PAD WITH ITS SUPPORTS IS NOT FUNCTIONAL. THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER REVIEWING DESIGN GUIDELINES AND MINIMUM DIMENSIONS AND RADII FOR DRIVEWAYS TURNAROUND AND BACK OUT MANEUVERING SPACE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ON THE TRACKING SHEET UP HERE, IT'S NOTED THAT THERE'S A VOICEMAIL AND SUPPORT FOR 2 2 2 WEEKS. UM, I THINK THAT'S A TYPO. WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. UH, SO I BELIEVE, UH, THAT, THAT THAT WAS JUST ADDED TO THE WRONG COLUMN. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT WAS END OF THE VOICEMAILS CORRECT. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE ARE OTHER LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS. THANK YOU. UM, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ONE RECUSAL. UM, YES. UM, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL BE RECUSING OFF THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ANY OTHER COMMISSION I'D LIKE TO PULL. ANY ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER SIX. ITEM SIX. ANY OTHER ITEMS? LET THE RECORD STATE THAT VICE CHAIR FETZER IS LEAVING THE ROOM. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE TO FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA TO ACCEPT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 LESS. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, LESS. ITEM NUMBER SIX, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMOTH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? AYE. THANK YOU MAZUA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 0 1 NEWELL 2 2 2 [00:10:01] WIX, 33 50 EAST COMMERCE 1 0 9 WEST GRAYSON 1 0 2 THRA 1 42 ARMOR 1 35 WEST LINWOOD AND 3 27 DONALDSON. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OR STAFF OF STAFF OR YOUR CASE MANAGER. UH, YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS 3 43 WEST HOUSTON STREET. UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON, CONRAD MARTINEZ AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM GOODWILL. PLEASE STEP OUT TO THE PODIUM. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, I'M SORRY. YES. CONRAD MARTINEZ WITH HARVEY K. ARCHITECTURE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I PULL THIS OFF FOR CLARIFICATION. UM, IN THE APPLICATION DESCRIPTION IT SAYS INSTALLATION OF BLUE TINTED GLASS, BUT THE DRAWINGS SHOW REFLECTIVE BLUE TINTED GLASS. IS THE GLASS ACTUALLY GONNA BE REFLECTIVE? RIGHT? IT'S, YES, IT IS GONNA BE REFLECTIVE BLUE TINTED GLASS. OKAY. HAVE ANY SORT OF STUDIES BEEN DONE TO SEE WHAT SORT OF REFLECTIONS MIGHT AFFECT DRIVERS OR OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE, IN THE VICINITY? I KNOW IN THE PAST SOME IF SOMETHING'S TOO REFLECTIVE OR IT'S THE WRONG ANGLE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT IT, IT AFFECTS OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS, UH, DRIVERS. UNDERSTOOD. WE HAVE NOT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT POSSIBLY LOOKING INTO THAT. UH, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DECIDED TO USE THE HIGHLY REFLECTED BLUE TINTED GLASS IS BECAUSE THE FROST TOWER ACROSS THE STREET WE'RE USING THE SAME TYPE OF GLAZING THAT THEY'RE USING. UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LOT MORE EXPANSIVE WITH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. OURS IS RIBBON WINDOWS, SO WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE QUESTION TO USE THAT SAME TYPE OF GLAZING SYSTEM. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING TINT ON THE, THE EXISTING WINDOWS OR, OH, ACTUALLY CHANGING THE, THE GLASS. WE'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING ALL OF THE EXTERIOR, UH, WINDOWS SYSTEMS. OKAY, THANK YOU. OH, JUST THE ONE TIME. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 6 1 25 SWEET STREET. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT CHRIS COKER IS HERE VIRTUALLY. PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. I'M HERE. HE'S VIRTUAL. OH, CHRIS, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? SURE CAN. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO PULLED THIS ITEM FOR YOU, UM, FOR QUESTIONS. SO COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, YES, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MY QUESTION, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN MY QUESTIONING TO STAFF. UM, I, AS I'M GOING THROUGH THE FILE, I SEE THAT A NUMBER OF THE ACTIONS ON THIS WERE DONE PREVIOUS TO ANY COA BEING ISSUED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, WHY WOULD THIS NOT, WHY WOULD THIS COME TO OUR COMMISSION RATHER THAN TO C TTAB? OH, WELL, SO, UM, THE SCOPES OF WORK THAT WERE APPROVED STAFF FOUND TO BE ELIGIBLE. THERE WAS A SCOPE OF WORK, UM, THAT WAS TO THE REMOVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MM-HMM . THAT CAME TO THIS COMMISSION. UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION. CORRECT. SO, SO JUST THE, THE, THE, THE TAX INCENTIVE. OKAY. NO, NO ACTUAL SCOPES OF WORK. OKAY. UM, I GUESS THE, THE BENEFIT OF REQUESTING A COA BEFORE YOU, YOU DO THE WORK IS SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE IT'S BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY TO THE STYLE AND TO [00:15:01] THE GUIDELINES. UM, AND FOR STAFF, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RAILINGS, THE FRONT BALLER AND THE TURNAROUND WITH THE POST AS IT GOES, CREATES RAILINGS, HAND RAILINGS TO THE STAIR, THAT WHOLE ASSEMBLY. HOW DID YOU COME TO APPROVE THAT? YEAH, EDWARD, CAN YOU PULL GOOGLE STREET VIEW? YES. SORRY, ONE SECOND. JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THERE IS A, UH, CONCRETE SLAB PORCH. AND SO, UM, PRIOR TO THE REHABILITATION WORK HERE, UM, THERE WAS A METAL RAIL THAT KIND OF WENT TO THE PERIMETER, UM, OF THAT PORCH MM-HMM . AND SO IT IS ODD THAT THE RAILINGS ARE NOT SPACED BETWEEN THE POSTS AS THEY WOULD BE HISTORICALLY. UM, BUT WE FOLLOW THE, UM, THE GUIDELINES WHICH ARE BASED ON THE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. AND SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO RESTORE, WE DEAL WITH WHAT'S THERE. AND SO IT WAS DEEMED TO BE AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT FOR THE METAL RAILING THAT WAS IN PLACE, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD KNOW THAT THE STYLE DOES NOT CALL FOR THAT. I MEAN, IT, IT'S SORT OF AN ABERRATION TO CREATE A, A VICTORIAN HANDRAIL OUTBOARD OF TURNED COLUMNS. YEAH, I MEAN THIS HOUSE PROBABLY ORIGINALLY DIDN'T HAVE A RAILING AT ALL. TRUE. TRUE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND IF I, IF I COULD CLARIFY, THIS IS CHRIS, I, I DID ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO HISTORIC, UH, PRIOR TO REMOVAL OF ANY RAILINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS IN COMPLIANCE. I DID, I DID REQUEST MULTIPLE COAS ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT DONE TO IT AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE IT WAS CINDER BLOCK. AND SO WE, UM, UH, THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS, THE REAR STR UH, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, BUT I, I DID, UM, AND I, AND I DO RENT, UH, REHAB QUITE A FEW HISTORIC PROPERTIES. AND SO, UM, SO I DO TEND TO REACH OUT TO, UH, OHP AND GET THEIR ADVICE ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF BEFORE, UH, BEFORE I TAKE ACTION. UH, SOMETIMES THE COA JUST KIND OF SKIPS BY OR I THINK, OR I THOUGHT THAT I HAVE PUT IN A CERTAIN THING AND, AND MY ORIGINAL COA PACKET AND IT WASN'T THERE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. BUT UM, YEAH, I TEND TO, UH, UH, BE A, A RULE FOLLOWER AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT EDWARD AND THE REST OF THE STAFF THERE, UH, REQUIRE. SURE. I, I UNDERSTAND. UM, I JUST WANNA GO ON THE RECORD THAT IT IS AN ABERRATION AND I JUST WOULD LIKE, UM, WHEN SUBSEQUENT CASES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COME FORWARD WANTING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT ONCE AGAIN WE LET THEM KNOW IT'S A CASE BY CASE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UM, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SAVINA NAY GALLOWAY AYE. MAZUA AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU HOLLAND. AYE FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] NUMBER 11, PLEASE. NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH TWO THREE FOR 3 22 LAMAR STREET. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL OF A NON-CONTINUOUS FROG WALKWAY ALREADY INSTALLED THAT IS COMPOSED OF CHARCOAL GRAY CONCRETE PAVERS WITH WHITE STONE GRAVEL IN BETWEEN THE PADS THAT ALSO EXTENDS ACROSS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND CONNECTING TO THE DRIVEWAY. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3 22. LAMAR STAFF DOES NOT, UH, DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON THE FINDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE WALKWAY BE REPLACED WITH A CONTINUOUS WALKWAY THAT MATCHES THE PREVIOUS WALKWAY AND COLOR WITHIN MATERIAL. SHOULD ITEM ONE RECEIVE APPROVAL OR OTHERWISE COME INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF [00:20:01] HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE APPLICANT WOULD BE HERE. I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ONLINE. NO, UH, WE DON'T. GUSTAVO? YES. YEAH, I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE. SO, SO IT SEEMS THE APPLICANT, UM, DID NOT SHOW UP. UH, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY IF THAT'S OKAY? YES, PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, CHAIR PERSON FOR THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 13 3 22 LAMAR, WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE THE NEWLY INSTALLED WHITE GRAVEL AND CHARCOAL GRAY PAVERS WITH A CONTINUOUS WALKWAY THAT MATCHES THE PREVIOUS WALKWAY IN COLOR WITH AND MATERIAL. THIS APPLICANT SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH REQUESTING CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING AND WALKWAYS. SINCE HE HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE. OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE HAD THEIR REQUEST TO INSTALL GRAVEL AND PAVERS FOR FRONT WALKS, DENIED AND ASSOCIATES. THIS ONE. IN ADDITION, WE RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION THAT THE FISH SCALE SIDING ABOVE THE WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS REMOVED. PLEASE SEE THE IMAGE IN YOUR NOTES. FOR HISTORICAL ACCURACY, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO REPLACE THE FISH SCALE SIDING. SINCE IT IS ONE OF THE DETAILS THAT MADE THIS HA HOUSE STAND OUT. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY HAS GONE INTO RENOVATING THIS HOUSE FOR WHICH WE COMMEND THE APPLICANT, BUT BOTH THE WALKWAYS AND FISH SCALE SIDING NEED TO BE RETURNED TO THEIR ORIGINAL STATE BEFORE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION SHOULD BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. VOICE VOICEMAIL? YES. YES, COMMISSIONER. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, CORY. SO SINCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, UM, DO, CAN WE, DO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS NOW OR JUST MOVE IT TO THE END OF THE AGENDA? OR WHAT ARE WE, WHAT WE COULD TRY THAT AND WE CAN TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY CAN JOIN BY THE END OF THE HEARING. UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION. IT'S ON THE AGENDA. UM, OR IT'S UP TO YOU TO POSTPONE. I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE, GO AHEAD. DOES STAFF, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FISH GILL THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE GABLE? NO, WE'D HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW THE CONCRETE HAS BEEN REMOVED? YES. ON BOTH? YES. SO WE, WE DISCOVERED THAT ON OUR SITE VISIT WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE GOING ORIGINALLY FOR TAX VERIFICATION AS WELL. AND SO WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE WENT, THAT'S WHEN WE SAW THE, UM, THE WALKWAY. AND SO THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AWARE OF THE WALKWAY? UM, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY BEING AWARE, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THE APPLICANT, UM, DID THE, UH, LANDSCAPING OR THE WALKWAY MODIFICATION WITHOUT RECEIVING APPROVAL, ALTHOUGH HE HAD RECEIVED APPROVALS FOR THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS DONE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO WHEN WE DID THE SIDING APPROVAL A YEAR AGO, WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES. IF THERE WAS A FISH SCALE WAS THERE. OH YEAH. I MEAN I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO PULL IT UP, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE IT OR WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO SINCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE AND IT'S ON THE AGENDA, I WANNA TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM. UM, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS NEED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM? I, I DO. GO AHEAD SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA. AND, UM, TO ME THAT SIDEWALK LOOKS TREACHEROUS. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD BE UNHEALTHY TO WALK ON OR INDUCING, TRIPPING, SO, UH, I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR THAT KIND OF A SIDEWALK. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A MOTION. UM, YOU, I HAVE A, A COMMENT, UM, OR A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO. WILL YOU BE GOING TO THE SITE TO REVIEW THE GABLE FISH? UH, THE FISH SCALE GABLE FINISHES? UM, NOTE THAT THERE ARE FOUR GABLES THAT HAVE THAT I ACTUALLY LOOK UP, UH, SLIDE 44 OF OUR CASE FILE. I FOUND AN OLD PICTURE, IT'S THERE. AND IN ADDITION, THE, UH, COA DOES NOT COVER REPLACEMENT FOR THOSE. NO. UM, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? UM, BECAUSE THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL VIOLATION THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM RECEIVING THE INCENTIVE. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND A POSTPONEMENT TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING DATE SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT AS A REQUEST ITEM AND INCLUDE THE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS. OH, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN THE MOTION AS A STIPULATION. MY CONCERN IS WE DON'T VIOLATION, WE DON'T HAVE IT LISTED [00:25:01] AS A REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, WE ADDED THE WALKWAY AS A REQUEST BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE REMEDIED. UM, AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THROUGH THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS. AND SO IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA. UH, I'M JUST GONNA SAY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IMPERATIVE TO INCLUDE THE GABLES, ALL OF THE GABLES IN FUTURE CONSIDERATION. I THINK HAVING FULL SET OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXTERIOR AS WE USUALLY REQUIRE WOULD'VE REVEALED THAT EARLIER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISHER? SIR? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY GUYS. SIR. UH, SORRY. IT'S THE DELAY. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER FE. SO A AS A, AS A, UM, MOTION, WE CAN'T ADD THINGS TO IT AS WE, AS WE SEE IT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR, UH, CERTIFICATION EVEN IF IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE REQUEST. I MEAN, IF WE FOUND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED TO BRING IT INTO, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTIFICATION, WE, WE CAN'T ADD THE FISH SCALE. ONE MOMENT, SIR. I'M GONNA WALK BACK WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND WE DO THINK THAT IF YOU JUST INCLUDED A STIPULATION ABOUT ALL ITS OUTSTANDING, UH, VIOLATIONS BEING REMEDIED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE VERIFICATION, THEN WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE YOU GO COMMISSIONER, UM, SO, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVANTE, SO WITH, UM, WHAT COREY JUST SAID, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? WE'RE GOING TO MOST LIKELY INCLUDE THOSE INTO THE DEMOTION. ARE YOU GOOD, SIR? YES, THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT. THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GROUP. WELL I'LL MOTION TO, UM, DENY ITEM ONE AND DO I SAY ITEM TWO OR JUST THAT JUST AUTOMATICALLY REMOVES ITEM TWO. YOU COULD SAY APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS BE ON THE PROPERTY BE REMEDIED. OKAY, SO APPROVAL ITEM, UH, SORRY. DENIAL ITEM ONE. APPROVAL ITEM TWO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE WALKWAY BE, YOU KNOW, THE VIOLATION OF THE WALKWAY BE REINSTALLED AS WELL, AS WELL AS ALL FISHING SCALE ON ALL FOUR GABLES BE RESTORED TO WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. OH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE FISH SCALE PATTERN ON THAT GABLE ON THOSE GABLES. ALL OF 'EM, UM, ARE JUST SO INDICATIVE OF A VICTORIAN COTTAGE. I MEAN, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY, UM, AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DETAILS OF THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOUSES THAT REALLY STANDS OUT, IT'S REALLY PROMINENT. AND THE FISH SCALE SHINGLE THAT WAS USED PREVIOUSLY WAS A LITTLE BIT THICKER, SO IT GAVE IT THAT TEXTURE AND THAT SHADOW LINE, SOMETHING THAT CEMENT BOARD DOESN'T QUITE DO. SO I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE MOTION. I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMMON. AYE. SAV? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. ZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND A NOTE FOR STAFF WHEN YOU DO TALK TO THIS APPLICANT, DEFINITELY SHOW THEM PHOTO NUMBER 44, WHICH HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT FRONT GABLE THAN JUST THE FISH SCALES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 HGRC CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 20 10 20 18 SAN PEDRO AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT FACADE TO INCLUDE STECCO ARCH INSTALLATION MODIFICATIONS TO WINDOW OPENINGS AND THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT ENTRY TOWER. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS. STAFF FINDS THAT THE FACADE ALTERATIONS SHOULD BE SIMPLE IN NATURE AND REFLECTIVE OF THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION. FOR THIS COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT, FASSINO MANCHA, IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER FOR COMMISSION REVIEW, UM, MR. FOS FASSINO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR REQUEST. GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS [00:30:01] FINO MAN. THANK YOU SIR. PLEASE PRESENT YOUR CASE. YES, WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO, UH, CHANGE THE FACADE OF THE FRONT AND THE SIDE, UH, TO MAKE IT LOOK VERSUS THE WAY THE, THE OLD, UH, SALSA'S RESTAURANT USED TO BE. AND, UH, THE OWNER WANTED TO ADD A TOWER SO IT COULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE. IF YOU COULD SEE WHERE THAT PEAK IS IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE TOWER WAS GOING TO IS GONNA BE LOCATED IF APPROVED. IS THAT IT, SIR? YES. IS THAT IT? IS THAT IT? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO WE, UM, WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ITEM, SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS? APPLICANTS? YES, MR. I, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE ONE FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS BEFORE IT WAS THE PREVIOUS RESTAURANT? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT LITTLE AWNING OUT THERE IS KIND OF, IT'S REMINISCENT OF A, OF A, OF A, OF A FRANCHISE, UH, UH, BUILDING. I, I'M WANTING TO SAY MAYBE IT WAS A CIRCLE K OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT, BUT THAT LITTLE AWNING THAT HE'S TRYING TO CHANGE, WAS THAT PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING OR IS THAT PART OF, OF, UH, THAT WAS ADDED LATER? UM, SO DURING STAFF'S RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THIS, UH, STRUCTURE WAS PRIOR TO THIS MEXICAN RESTAURANT. UM, ADDITIONALLY THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT. I'M, I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING. I DON'T HAVE ANY AUDIO. EDWARD, IF YOU'RE TALKING, CAN YOU HEAR ME, COMMISSIONER? OH, WEIRD. WE'RE GONNA PUSH THE BUTTONS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. OTHER COMMISSIONERS, CAN YOU HEAR US? LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ALL FROZEN. UH, SO JUST A NOTE FOR THE RECORDING THAT WE'RE GONNA RESTART THE SOFTWARE ON THIS MACHINE AND THEN WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO RECONNECT IN A MOMENT. SO DO WE JUST HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET THEM BACK? OKAY. SO HAVE A SEAT FOR A MOMENT, SIR. WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP, SHIRLEY. THANK YOU. HE SAYS THAT WHENEVER , MR. CHAIR. WE, MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. MAY I RECOMMEND A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THIS ALL TIME NOW IS 3 34. LET'S TAKE A SIX MINUTE RECESS, BE BACK HERE AT THREE 40 PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. TIME IS DOWN THREE 40 AND WE CALL THIS HDRC MEETING BACK TO SESSION. UM, APPLICANT, CAN YOU PLEASE STEP BACK UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WE FROZE WHEN YOU WERE ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS. SO, UH, WE'LL SITTING WITH YOU, SIR. YES. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION WAS EITHER TO STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT BUILDING WAS WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT AWNING REMINDS ME OF A FRANCHISE, UH, UH, TYPE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT BELONGED TO A CERTAIN FRANCHISE OR IF IT WAS PUT THERE AFTER THE FACT. UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME HISTORICALS PERSPECTIVE FROM THAT. I, I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANNA SAY EITHER NAPA AUTO PARTS OR CIRCLE K OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. I RECOGNIZE THAT ON IT. AND IT COULD JUST BE THAT IT'S COMMON TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF BUILDINGS, BUT I I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE A FRANCHISE ANGLE THERE ON THE FRONT. SURE. THANK, UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND, UM, OUR APOLOGIES FOR THE WAIT. SO, UH, IN STAFF'S RESEARCH WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING, UM, THAT INDICATED WHAT BUSINESS WAS THERE PRIOR TO THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY? UM, THIS BUILDING, THE EARLIEST AERIAL PHOTO WE COULD FIND WAS 19, I BELIEVE, 1966. AND SO THE, UH, THE AWNING DOES APPEAR TO BE THERE. UM, I, BUT I, I GUESS ALL THAT TO SAY IS, IS THAT IT'S, UM, INCONCLUSIVE. [00:35:04] YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE IF IT IS PART OF A FRANCHISE, THEN I, I THINK THAT WOULD, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD LEAVE ME TO, TO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE IT CAN BE MOVED. BUT THAT, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP TO THE APPLICANT. SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWER, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE REMOVING THE AWNING, YOU'RE CREATING THE TOWER, BUT YOU'RE ALSO CHANGING EVERY WINDOW CON FENESTRATION COM, LIKE YOU'RE MAKING THEM ARCH. CORRECT. OKAY. SMALLER WINDOWS. UH, YES. WE'RE MAKE CHANGING INTO SMALLER WINDOWS AND WE'RE NOT REMOVING THE AWNING, WE'RE JUST ADDING THE TOWER. THE AWNING'S GONNA STAY. AND YOU'RE USING THE AWNING TO SUPPORT THE ARCHES PART OF IT? NO, NO, NOT THE ARCHES ARE, ARE STUCCO IN THE WALL. THEY'RE NOT OUT. OKAY. IT'S IN THE WALL. THE ARCHES THAT WE'RE ADDING, IT'S LIKE A TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. OKAY. BUT THE TOWER, SEE WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING AWNING, THAT'S STAIN. WE'RE JUST ADDING THE TOWER IN THE FRONT JUST TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE. OKAY. SO I SEE IT THAT WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, I DO. I HAVE, UM, A QUESTION, BUT I WANNA PREFACE IT JUST WITH A COMMENT, AND THAT IS, I UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE AND YOUR GOAL TO MAKE THIS ATTRACTIVE MM-HMM . AND TO MAKE IT NICE TO BRING CUSTOMERS TO THE RESTAURANT. UM, YOU REALIZE THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE MOVES, DESIGN MOVES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE COUNTER TO THE GUIDELINES MM-HMM . RIGHT? YES. UM, MY QUESTION IS, WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS HERE DESIGN WISE. AND WOULD YOU BE OPEN FOR A DRC SITE VISIT WHERE WE CAN MEET YOU ON SITE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING, WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TASKED TO DO? SURE. CREATE A, CREATING A NICE, A NICE RESTAURANT. A BETTER FINISH. A BETTER FRONTAGE, YES. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS JUDGE? MOTION MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WANT, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH. SO, UM, SIR, UM, MY QUESTION, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CASE, UM, AS, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO ALLUDED TO, YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES, UM, TO THE BILL AS COMPLETELY CHANGING AND, AND AS COUNTER TO WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE. NOW MY QUESTION IS THE PERIOD THAT THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN, YOU ARE CHANGING OR YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE THAT? SO ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT OR ARE YOU JUST, YOU JUST THINK IT LOOKS NICE SO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS NOT IR IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE SAYING? YES. WELL, UM, WE JUST FOLLOWED WHAT, UH, THE OWNER WAS REQUIRING FOR US TO CHANGE THE FRONT TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE AND NOT TRYING TO CHANGE. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING EVERYTHING INSIDE OF THE BUILDING OR THE SIDES, JUST THE FRONT, THE FACADE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING ABOUT MM-HMM . BECAUSE I MEAN, WHAT YOU DO INSIDE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MM-HMM . WE DON'T, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW INSIDE THERE. BUT YOU'RE CHANGING YES. THE PERIODS OF THE BUILDING. YES. I MEAN, WHAT PERIOD OF WHICH IT WAS BUILT IN. SO ARE YOU OR YOUR EMPLOYER OR BOSS AWARE OF THAT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I'M GONNA MOTION TO, UH, MOVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THERE A SECOND. SECOND, SECOND. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, I KNOW YOU OFFERED A DRC AND DRCS ARE ALWAYS OPEN, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WITH THIS APPLICATION, WHETHER REQUEST IS ON THE TABLE, I THINK IT IS CHANGING COMPLETELY THE FRONT OF THE FACADE, WHICH IS THE IMPORTANT PART OF KEEPING HISTORY. AND IT IS THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FLEXIBLE IF SOMETHING IN THE BACK ON THE SIDES. BUT WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING THE FRONT, AND THIS IS A VERY EXTENSIVE CHANGE TO THE FRONT THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. SO YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR A DRC TO COME UP WITH OTHER DESIGN IDEAS. THAT MEANS INFORMALLY COME AND, AND TALK TO COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT. BUT AS THE APPLICATION STANDS HERE TODAY, I MEAN, IT WOULD, THERE'S A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, MID-CENTURY FLARE TO THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN THAT IS PROPOSED TODAY IS COMPLETELY CHANGING AND REMOVING ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY I DID THE MOTION STATED TODAY. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MR. CHAIR. UM, [00:40:01] UH, TO COMMISSIONER GROUP'S COMMENT, UH, EXACTLY. I I THINK THAT THIS IS, UM, DESIGN WISE, AESTHETICALLY IT'S WAY OFF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FROM WHAT IT IS MM-HMM . AND WHAT IT COULD BE. AND RATHER THAN WORKING AGAINST THE STYLE THAT EXISTS, IF YOU, IF YOU AND YOUR DESIGNERS WORKED WITH THE STYLE, UM, YOU COULD UTILIZE THAT MID-CENTURY, MODERN 1950S, SIXTIES AESTHETIC AND HAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. DO CONSIDER, UH, COMING BACK FOR A DRC BEFORE YOU BRING BACK A FINAL DESIGN? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINA AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 13, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 0 9 4 0 7 DONALDSON AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 484 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED REAR GARAGE. UM, LET'S SEE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED A DOUBLE BAY GARAGE DOOR OPENING ON THE PROPOSED REAR GARAGE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL LAPSE SIDING WITH A REVEAL NOT TO EXCEED FIVE INCHES. AND IF 5% SIDING IS USED, FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH OR INSTALLS BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING THAT FEATURES BORES THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE ITEM, OR I'M SORRY, THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR ON A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR OR A GARAGE DOOR WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FAUX WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE. FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. THE APPLICANT'S TOUGH SHED AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE CONFIRMED TO STAFF THAT THEY AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. AND IF LIKE, UH, UH, MR. CHAIR, I CAN PLAY THE VOICEMAIL NOW PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM 13, CASE 20 25 2 0 9 4 0 7 DONALDSON. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND HIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE SIDING BE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING INSTEAD OF VERTICAL BOARD. AND BATTEN THIS REQUEST IS IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT REVIEW THE REAR SETBACK DURING PERMITTING, AS IT HAS BEEN OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ALLEY MAY BE USED TO REDUCE THE REAR SETBACK TO TWO AND A HALF FEET. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT, YOU SAY THIS? YES, THE UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, THEY CAN GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. THEY DO AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, THEY'VE INFORMED US, UH, AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED. THANK YOU. UM, APPLICANT PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD AFTERNOON, PAUL HUNTER. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE ACCEPTING ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR, UM, FOR THIS ITEM. SO, UM, I BROUGHT YOU UP HERE JUST IN CASE ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONERS. UM, FIRST QUESTION, I'M, I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THIS FIRST STIPULATION. THIS IS FOR STAFF, UH, LET'S SEE, DOUBLE BAY GARAGE DOOR OPENING, [00:45:01] DOUBLE THE WIDTH OR TWO SEPARATE DOORS. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. UM, THE, THE STIPULATION WOULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE DOORS WITH A SEPARATION IN BETWEEN. CORRECT. AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. UM, AND TO THE APPLICANT. UM, WHAT ARE YOUR, UH, THOUGHTS ABOUT INSTALLING HORIZONTAL SIDING VERSUS THE BOARD AND BATTEN? UH, OUR, OUR PREFERENCE FROM A COST STANDPOINT AND UH, MEETING THE BUDGET OF OUR CUSTOMER IS TO DO BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN ACCOMMODATE THE COMMISSION'S REQUEST, UM, OF THE EL LAPSING. I THINK, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIME PERIOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BOARD AND BATTEN BEING PRIMARILY A VICTORIAN ERA SIDING, I THINK PROBABLY THE LAPSE SIDING IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ERA. UNDERSTOOD. MM-HMM . THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, CAN YOU PULL SLIDE 19 AND IT MIGHT JUST BE BECAUSE IT'S A ALL DRAWING, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BEING BUILT. 'CAUSE IT SHOWS A SHED AND IT SHOWS SOME CONCRETE THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, I'M ASSUMING, OR IT'S NOT PART OF THE IT'S NOT GONNA BE ADDED. NO, IT DOES NOT EXIST. AND THE PICTURES SHOULD SHOW THAT THEY DO NOT EXIST. SO STEP UP TWO. I KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING IT AS THE PLAN OF WHERE YOU'RE PLACING IT, THAT YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER SHED OR JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SURE. THERE IS NO EXISTING SHED AND STAFF CAN OFFER SOME, UH, INSIGHT. THE, THE SURVEY WAS DONE WHEN THERE WAS A SHED AND, UH, THE SLAB AVAILABLE, BUT THE PHOTO THAT'S PRESENTED NOW, UM, DOES SHOW THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE BACKYARD AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THE ONLY REQUEST ITEM IS THE, UH, 22 BY 22, UM, UH, REAR ACCESSORY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, MAYBE STAFF CAN CLARIFY. SO ALL THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ACTUALLY IN THIS PICTURE, YOU SEE 1, 2, 3 ALREADY THERE. ARE THEY, UH, HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL SIGHTING AND KNOWING THE OTHER PICTURE YOU HAD UP ON THE SCREEN? I MEAN, UH, I I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE, ARE YOU MEANING THE, UH, STRUCTURES THAT ARE YEAH, BEHIND THE FENCE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES MM-HMM . BECAUSE, UM, TO, TO COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S POINT A CERTAIN ERA, BUT IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE HOUSES AREN'T FROM MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. BUT, UM, I DO THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES HAVE A POINT ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT. YOU SEE THEM TRYING TO USE THAT AS A REFERENCE? YES, I, I CAN SEE THE ONE TO THE RIGHT. UH, HAVING LAP SIDING, IT'S UNCLEAR ON THE ONES ON THE LEFT. OKAY. AND THEN I WANT YOUR MATERIAL IS METAL ON THE SPECIFICATIONS? NO. WHAT'S THE SPECS ON THAT? NO, IT WAS SUBMITTED AS A, UH, AS A UH, UM, VERTICAL GROOVE SIDING. UH, BUT NOW UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMISSION'S REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN CERTAINLY. AND WHAT WAS THE MATERIAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED? UH, THAT'S A WOOD PRODUCT. LP SIDING WOOD. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S? SEEING NONE, MAY I HAVE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU. YES. UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE CLARIFICATION THAT THE SIDING WILL BE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING, UM, PER THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NOW, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE S AYE GALLOWAY, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? AYE. THANK YOU ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIPPS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 4 8 2 3 2 LAVACCA STREET. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CON CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FEATURING TWO EXTERIOR PORCHES AND AN ATTACHED CARPORT AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT [00:50:01] THE OVERALL HEIGHT AND FOOTPRINT BE REDUCED TO CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, E AND H DETAILED ELEVATION DRAWINGS ARE REQUIRED FOR FINAL APPROVAL. TWO, THAT THE SETBACK FROM REFUGIO BE VERIFIED TO BE GREATER OR EQUAL TO THE SETBACK OF THE NEIGHBORING HISTORIC HOME LOCATED IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST. AS NOTED IN FINDING D, A DETAILED SITE PLAN SHOWING SETBACKS, PROPOSED FENCE LOCATION, PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AND ALL FLAT WORK DIMENSIONS IS REQUIRED FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS DJ AND L THREE THAT THE STUCCO FEATURE A TRADITIONAL FINISH SIMILAR TO THAT FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT A WINDOW PRODUCT MEETING THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, IS USED AND A STANDING, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS, UH, BE INSTALLED AS WELL AS SUBMITTING ALL THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE STUCCO, FINISH, WOODEN SIDING, MATERIAL COLUMN SPECIFICATIONS, ROOFING WINDOW AND EXTERIOR DOOR SPECIFICATIONS. UH, TO STAFFER REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HDRC FOR FINAL APPROVAL, FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE WIDTH THAT THE PROVO PROPOSED DRIVE TO MEASURE NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET AS NOTED IN FINDING J. AND LASTLY THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UM, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, VIRTUALLY ONLINE WITH US, CLINT BALLOU. UM, AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU MR. BALLOU. CAN YOU, UM, UM, PRONOUNCE, I'M SORRY, NOT PRONOUNCE, BUT ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE PLEASE? SURE. HEY THERE, UM, I'M CLIN BALLOU AT 2 3 2 LAVACCA AND UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HEARING ME OUT TODAY. UM, AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK, UM, I WAS TOLD, I GUESS IT WAS KIND OF RUSHED WITH THE, THE LONG HOLIDAY, BUT I DID SEND OVER, UM, INFORMATION AND UM, AND, AND AGREE WITH WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT. I'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE, UH, DRCS AND UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO OBVIOUSLY TAKE IN EVERYTHING THAT WAS, UH, ASKED. UM, CURRENTLY THE HEIGHT IS ONE FOOT, UH, BELOW THE, UM, THE FRONT, UH, HOUSE I GUESS. UM, IT IS ON A SEPARATE LOT THAT BEING SAID. BUT, UM, THE, THE HOUSE, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT, UH, ONE FOOT BELOW WHAT THE, UM, OTHER HOUSE IS AND UM, I SWITCHED UP SOME OF THE WINDOWS ON THE BACK, UM, AS REQUESTED, UM, BY UH, THAT WAY LIKE SEPARATING IT OUT. AND UM, YEAH, I THINK, UM, EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH. THANK YOU SIR. UM, SO AS IF I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY. SO OTHER THAN THE STATEMENTS THAT YOU MADE, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? UM, YES, IT'S, IT, IT IS ALREADY, UM, I GUESS BEEN, BEEN ADJUSTED, SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE, THE PAPERWORK, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE SOME OF IT THERE, BUT IT IS, UM, YES, IT, IT'S BEEN, UH, THE, THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS NOW LOWER AND UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT HOUSE, THE FRONT STRUCTURE, IT SHOWS 22, ALTHOUGH IT'S THREE FOOT. UM, UH, THERE'S THE THREE FOOT FOUNDATION ON THAT, WHICH YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE AWARE WHERE THE HEIGHT IS. SO THE, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT IS UH, IS ACTUALLY 25 AND UM, THREE INCHES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. APPRECIATE IT. MAY I HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? GOOD MORNING. THIS IS MELISSA AL REPRESENTING THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CALLING WITH REGARDS TO ITEM 14 ON TODAY'S AGENDA, SEPTEMBER 3RD CASE, UH, 0 4 8 FOR ADDRESS 2 3 2 LAVACCA STREET. THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THIS DESIGN UH, WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ENCOURAGES BUILDING AN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EDCS AND WITHOUT NEED FOR VARIANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, I SEE NO QUESTIONS SO GO AHEAD PLEASE. SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND, AND YOU SEEM TO AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, STAFF HASN'T REVIEWED THE FINAL, ANYTHING OF THE UPDATED I GUESS OR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN OUR FOLDER. SO I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THEN JUST TO THE APPLICANT, I MEAN SINCE IT IS CONCEPTUAL AND YOU SEEM TO AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL, RIGHT? SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU, YOU REALLY LOOK INTO IT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE SETBACK, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AND THE DRIVEWAY WITH AND ALL THESE STIPULATIONS SO YOU DON'T SPEND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT , BUT I GUESS IF YOU DO COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS, [00:55:01] YOU SHOULDN'T, YOU SHOULD BE FINE FOR THE FINAL. YES MA'AM, IT IS. UM, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT, UH, FURTHER BACK THAN THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT AS WELL, SO, AND THEN SHRINKING THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS NO PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S ONE FOOT, I THINK THAT SHOWS 11. SO I'LL MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S SUGGESTED. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE A SIMINO? YES. UM, TO COMMENT ON THIS, I, I KNOW UM, MR. BELU THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH THE DDRC AND I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES YOU HAVE MADE. I WILL SAY THAT I AGREE WITH ONE OF THE LETTERS IN OUR PACKAGE AND THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MASSING AND HEIGHT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE COMPARING IT, MAKING IT RELATIVE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES RATHER THAN NEW ADDITIONS OR NEW STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT BEING THE CASE, I WILL SAY THAT UM, THE HEIGHT COULD USE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK A LITTLE TALL. I DON'T THINK A FOOT WILL MAKE, WILL SUCCEED IN MAKING THAT CHANGE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LOOKING FOR, THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR. AND THAT, THAT I AS ONE COMMISSIONER I'M LOOKING FOR, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR PLATE HEIGHT IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO BRING THE HEIGHT DOWN SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT MORE PROMINENT THAN THE HISTORIC HOUSE THAT'S ON THE SAME LOT. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION, FURTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICANT'S. ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GUEVARA AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES, HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. I NUMBER 14, UM, WAS THE LAST ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA. SO THAT IS IT FOR TODAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.