* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS NOW 1:01 PM ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, AND THE MEETING OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE COUNCIL MEMBER MEZA GONZALEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE. HERE. CITIZEN MEMBER TINO. PRESENT. CHAIR GRO. HERE. CHAIR. WE HAVE QUORUM. THANK YOU. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES SO LONG AGO? UH, CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION? SECOND. I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. MOTION CARRIES. MADAM CLERK, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. ALRIGHT, GREAT. THERE ARE FOUR FINAL INTERNAL AUDIT REPORTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AGENDA. DO ANY MEMBERS WISH TO PULL AN ITEM ON CONSENT FOR DISCUSSION? YES. UH, CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM THREE. ALRIGHT, ITEM THREE. ANY OTHERS? OKAY. SO WE WILL APPROVE, UH, MOTION FOR WHICH THE REMAINDER OF THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. EXCEPT, EXCEPT ITEM THREE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION MADE? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL START WITH THE INDIVIDUAL ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, DID YOU WANNA JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, THIS IS THE GREATER SATX AUDIT. AND, UM, I, I, I HAVE SOME, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST LINE HERE IN THE SUMMARY IS THAT EDD SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH GREATER SATX IS APPROPRIATELY MONITORED. UM, BUT THEN IF YOU READ FURTHER INTO THE AUDIT, UH, INTO THE AUDIT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT STATEMENT CAN REALLY, UH, MADE, BECAUSE, UH, IT SAYS HERE THAT OUR ED, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, CANNOT SUFFICIENTLY VALIDATE GREATER SATX PERFORMANCE METRICS BECAUSE GREATER SATX DOES NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION, UM, FOR VALIDATION. AND SO MY CONCERN HERE IS WE ARE GIVING, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO GREATER SATX, I BELIEVE IN THE MISSION OF GREATER SATX. IT DOES A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, JUST LIKE WITH EVERY ORGANIZATION THAT WE GIVE MONEY TO, THAT WE ARE GETTING, UH, THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK, IF YOU WILL. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S HERE TO, TO PERHAPS ANSWER QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, UH, DIFFERENTLY MOVING FORWARD. AND, AND I GUESS MY FIRST SPECIFIC AREA WHERE I GUESS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION, UH, CHAIR IS, IS THAT THESE, UH, THESE BUSINESSES THAT GREATER SATX IS, IS, IS COUNTING AS WINS. THESE, THESE DEALS, A LOT OF THEM ARE WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING NON INCENTIVE BUSINESSES. AND THESE FOLKS DON'T HAVE, I GUESS, DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE US. AND SO WE CAN'T REALLY DETERMINE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF OUR SERVICE AGREEMENT IS, IS BEING, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GETTING, I GUESS, WHAT WE BARGAIN FOR. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, BRENDA, IS ANYONE FROM GREATER SATX HERE TODAY? UM, NO. YES. UH, ONE OF THEIR TEAM MEMBERS JUST WALKED IN THE DOORMAN. OKAY. I AM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW, UH, BOARD, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, I AM THINKING THAT IF WE HAD A MOTION TO TAKE THIS UP NEXT MONTH, THAT WE, WE COULD HAVE THEM, THAT WE COULD HAVE YOU PRESENT, UM, NEXT MONTH. AND THEN THAT WAY MORE OF THE GREATER TEAM. 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A LEADERSHIP CHANGE TOO, SO I DON'T WANNA PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN'T. AND THEN THAT WAY TRICIA CAN KIND OF GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS ALSO AND GET BRIEFED BY YOU. BUDDY, IF YOU HAVEN'T BRIEFED TRICIA YET, IF YOU COULD BRIEF HER ON THIS ISSUE. IT, IT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO, UH, NEXT AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING? YEAH. MOTION MADE. I'VE GOT A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL [00:05:01] RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO, UH, ITEM THE I, THE AUDIT ITEM ON GREATER S-A-T-A-X WILL BE MOVED TO THE NEXT AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING. AND BUDDY, YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTIONS ON, UH, BRIEFING WITH OUR NEW, UH, TRUST, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBER, AND HOPEFULLY OUR, WE'LL GET OUR SECOND COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE AND THEY CAN BE BRIEFED ALSO. AND THEN GREATER SATX. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY, BUT LET YOUR TEAM KNOW. WE, WE EXPECT YOU TO BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NEXT MONTH. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. THAT'S ITEM SIX IS AUDIT OF THE FINANCE P CARD PROGRAM. CAN WE GET A STAFF PRESENTATION? HELLO? OH, SORRY. JUST CHECKING IF I WAS ON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ABIGAIL ESTEVEZ. I WAS THE AUDIT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THE RESULTS OVER THE FINANCE PCARD PROGRAM AUDIT. OVERALL, OUR OBJECTIVE WAS TO DETERMINE IF THE PCARD PROGRAM WAS MANAGED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. UH, WE DETERMINED THAT FINANCE HAD ADEQUATE CONTROLS TO PROVISION PCARD PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS. UH, THIS INCLUDED BOTH PROVIDING PARTICIPANTS, UH, THE INITIAL REQUIRED TRAINING AS WELL AS HAVING THEIR CREDIT LIMITS AUTHORIZED BY THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS. UM, THEY ALSO HAD ADEQUATE CONTROLS TO ENSURE ACCURATE PAYMENT IS MADE TO CHASE BANK ON A MONTHLY BASIS. UM, HOWEVER, WE DID IDENTIFY, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT, UM, AS IT PERTAINED TO POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, TRANSACTION MONITORING AND ANALYSIS AND PCARD CONTROLS. OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS OVER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. UH, WE DETERMINED THAT THE PCARD USER GUIDE WAS OUTDATED. UH, SO WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE GUIDE BE REVISED, UM, AND PERIODICALLY UPDATED AS NEEDED. OUR NEXT RECOMMENDATION WAS OVER TRANSACTION MONITORING. UH, WE SELECTED A SAMPLE OF TRANSACTIONS, UM, AND IDENTIFIED A FEW THAT WERE EITHER NOT APPROVED, UM, EITHER IN THE CHASE BANK SYSTEM OR, UM, AS PART OF THE TRANSACTION LOGS, WHICH WERE REQUIRED AT THE TIME, UM, OR, UM, WERE NOT APPROPRIATELY SUPPORTED, UH, BY ITEMIZED RECEIPTS. UH, FOR THIS NEXT ITEM, UH, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION OVER TRANSACTION ANALYSIS, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT REGARDING THE WORK WE PERFORMED HERE. UM, WE PERFORMED DATA ANALYTICS, UM, OVER A DATA SET. IT WAS, UM, AT THE TIME EIGHT MONTHS WORTH OF DATA, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY 20,000 TRANSACTIONS. UM, AND WE PERFORMED VARIOUS DATA ANALYTICS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL ANOMALOUS ACTIVITY. UM, AND THREE OF THE POTENTIAL ITEMS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, UM, WERE POTENTIALLY RESTRICTED PURCHASES. UM, FOR THIS SUBSECT, WE PERFORMED KEYWORD SEARCHES TO SEE IF ANY, UM, POTENTIALLY RESTRICTED PURCHASES WERE IDENTIFIED. UM, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR USE OF CONTRACTS. UM, THIS WAS BASED ON AN ANALYSIS, UM, BOTH WITHIN AND ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO DETERMINE WHETHER, UM, THERE WERE PURCHASES AND EXCESS OF 3000, UM, WITH THE SAME MERCHANTS. UM, AND LASTLY, UM, WE DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE, UH, CREDITS LIMITS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN AVERAGE SPENDING, UM, FOR CERTAIN CARD HOLDERS. UM, SO THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, FINANCE REVIEW THESE RESULTS AS WELL AS DEVELOP CONTROLS MOVING FORWARD TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL ISSUES SUCH AS THESE. UM, AND OUR LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS OVER PCARD CONTROLS. UM, WE IDENTIFIED, UM, A BLOCKED MERCHANT CATEGORY CODE BEING USED WITHOUT APPROVAL. UM, ADDITIONALLY WE DETERMINED THAT ACCESS TO BOTH, UM, PCARD AND SYSTEM ACCESS WAS NOT ADEQUATELY MONITORED, MONITORED, OR DELIMITED TIMELY. AND THIS WAS SPECIFIC TO EMPLOYEES THAT HAD SINCE BEEN SEPARATED AND NO LONGER REQUIRED ACCESS TO EITHER THE SYSTEM OR AN ACTIVE PCARD. UH, BUT TO CLARIFY, THERE WERE NO PURCHASES MADE ON THOSE. PCARDS, UH, FINANCE AGREED WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND DEVELOPED CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS, UM, WITH A TENTATIVE, UH, COMPLETION DATE OF JUNE, 2025. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH FINANCE TO CONFIRM IMPLEMENTATION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, BUT BOTH MYSELF AND FINANCE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE DISCUSS, CAN I GET A MOTION IN A SECOND? MOTIONING, I, I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN, UH, DISCUSSION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN WHITE. THANK YOU. CHAIR . SO BUDDY, WHEN WE DO THESE EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES RIGHT, IT'S, THEY, THEY ALWAYS, IT SEEMS TO ME START WITH EVERYTHING'S BEING ADEQUATELY DONE, AND THEN IT GOES INTO, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S ALL THE LIST. I . THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN SAY THAT THIS PCARD PROGRAM IS BEING ADEQUATELY [00:10:01] MONITORED. ALL RIGHT? AND WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS REPORT, I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S START WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THESE TRANSACTIONS HAVING SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, RIGHT? 45%, ALMOST HALF, NO, SUP DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE REQUISITES, UH, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. WE LOOK AT THE TRANSACTION REPORTS, RIGHT? YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THREE MONTHS OF, OF, UH, UNAPPROVED TRANSACTION REPORTS AND FOUND THAT 502 OUT OF THE 1135 40 4%, AGAIN, REMAINED UNAPPROVED, UH, FOR, FOR THREE OR MORE MONTHS. I MEAN, YOU, YOU KEEP GOING. AND YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE ISSUES HERE, AND I THINK THERE WAS A SUMMARY PLATE PAGE HERE. UH, SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE, UM, YOU GOT 1,644 QUESTIONABLE TRANSACTIONS PLUS HUNDREDS, UH, EXCEEDING THE $3,000 THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER, UNDER CONTRACTS. YOU HAVE 123, UH, CARDHOLDERS THAT HAD LIMITS SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THEIR ACTUAL SPENDING. AND THEN MAYBE MOST CONCERNINGLY TO ME, YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NO LONGER WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHOSE CARDS, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, REMAINED, REMAINED ACTIVE. UM, THEY, THEY STILL HAD SYSTEM ACCESS FOR, FOR 99, AN AVERAGE OF 99 DAYS WITH SEVEN STILL HOLDING ACTIVE CARDS. I MEAN, AGAIN, , THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY. UM, THEY TRUST US TO SPEND IT APPROPRIATELY. THEY TRUST US TO MONITOR, UH, HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT, NOT JUST BY THE EXTERNAL GROUPS THAT WE GIVE MONEY TO, THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, OUR OWN EMPLOYEES AS WELL. AND SO, I GUESS, UM, ALL THAT IS TO SAY, MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO RECTIFY THIS. RIGHT? UM, YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INITIAL QUESTION. THE WAY WE ANSWER OUR OBJECTIVES, AND I'M GONNA USE EXTREMES TO ILLUSTRATE, UH, IS IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A NO. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OBJECTIVE, IT SAYS DETERMINE IF PAR PROGRAM IS MANAGED IN COMPLIANCE WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. I'M GONNA USE, UH, BECAUSE I CAN USE IT, IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED, SO I'LL USE THE NHSD HOME REHAB AUDIT. THAT WAS A A NO OVERALL. SO OVERALL THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS A NO. SO WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WHEN WE ANSWER OUR OBJECTIVE, WE ANSWER IT AS A NO, THAT THE PROGRAM IS NOT, IN THIS CASE THAT THE PROGRAM'S NOT EFFECTIVE OR ADEQUATELY MONITORED. THEN WE HAVE THE AFFIRMATIVE, OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT? UM, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS ARE BEING EXECUTED AS INTENDED, AND YOU HAVE ISSUES, IE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS NEXT MONTH, UM, FROM A GREATER SA, TEXAS, FROM A COMPLIANCE MONITORING PERSPECTIVE, OVERALL, THEY'RE MONITORING COMPONENTS OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PERFORMANCE METRICS. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE THEM A CONCLUSION THAT OVERALL THEY'RE NOT MONITORING. 'CAUSE OVERALL THEY'RE MONITORING EFFECTIVELY. 'CAUSE THERE'S A COMPONENT THAT THEY'RE NOT MONITORING, WHICH IS A PERFORMANCE METRICS. THEN YOU HAVE THE ONES THAT FALL IN BETWEEN. THIS IS A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF AUDITS THAT FALL IN BETWEEN. WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS WE GIVE THE CONCLUSION ON THE AFFIRMATIVE FIRST. THAT'S FOR THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, AND THEN THE ITEMS THAT NEEDED IMPROVEMENT. THE REASON WE CATEGORIZE THIS AS NEEDED IMPROVEMENT IS ONE, FROM A VOLUME PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TRANSACTIONS. WE DON'T TAKE IN CONSIDERATION MATERIALITY THE WAY AN EXTERNAL AUDITOR WOULD BECAUSE WE'RE PROGRAM CONTROL PROCEDURAL, UM, RELATED IN TERMS OF TESTING. SECONDLY IS SOME OF THESE ARE ANOMALIES THAT WE DIDN'T CONFIRM. SO THEIR POTENTIAL, UH, AREAS AND WHAT WE, OUR, OUR DIRECTION IS WE TOOK A SAMPLE OF THE ANOMALIES AND CONFIRMED THAT X AMOUNT WERE PROBABLY, UM, UH, SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN EXECUTED WHERE WE'RE TELLING TROY'S TEAM TO GO RE RESEARCH THE REMAINDER TO SEE IF YOU CAN CONFIRM IF THAT'S A CONDITION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH THE REMAINDER OF THOSE TRANSACTION. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY, NECESSARILY SAYING EACH ONE OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE CONTEXT BEHIND OUR RESULTS. MM-HMM . BUT, BUT YOUR FIRST INITIAL, UH, QUESTION AND I, AND I'M EXPANDING SIMPLY 'CAUSE WE HAD NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, YOU'LL SEE AUDITS AND I USE AN HSD AN EXAMPLE, WHICH OVERALL [00:15:01] IT'S A NO. THEN YOU'LL SEE AUDITS THAT OVERALL IT'S A YES. AND THEN THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE US ANSWERING THE DIRECT OBJECTIVE DIRECT DIRECTIVELY BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO COMPONENTS HERE. WHAT THEY'RE DOING WELL, WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING WELL. AND WE'RE ALSO TAKING CONSIDERATION THE VOLUME OF PURCHASES. SO JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT. AND THEN I, I I BELIEVE TROY CAN SPEAK TO THE, AND JUST IF I CAN JUST, JUST ASK A, A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE NOT AUDITING THE EFFICACY OF THE PROGRAM, IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES IN THIS CASE? YES. THERE'S, THERE'S CONTROLS IN PLACE AND THERE'S PROCEDURES THAT THEY SHOULD BE FOLLOWING. IE THE RESULTS OF THE AUDIT. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A CONTROL PROCEDURE PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO APPROVALS PROCEDURES. AND THEN THE ONE YOU MENTIONED FROM AN ACCESS PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT, THAT STILL HAVE THAT CARD. WE, WE TAKE, WE TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND WE TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY PURCHASES ON THOSE CARDS THAT THOSE, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT STILL HAVE CARDS, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PURCHASE ACTIVITY. AND THERE WAS NOT. SO, UM, THE CONTROL THERE IS A USER ACCESS CONTROL. THERE'S A, THERE'S A TAIL TO THIS TEST BECAUSE POTENTIALLY SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A PURCHASE 'CAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A CARD. SO. RIGHT. BUT, AND JUST, JUST LAST FOLLOW UP POINT IS THAT, SO I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WASTEFUL SPENDING. YOUR AUDIT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TELL US IF MONEY WAS BEING SPENT WASTEFULLY, BUT JUST RATHER WHETHER INTERNALLY WE'RE FOLLOWING PROPER PROCEDURES. CORRECT. IN THIS CASE, YES. OKAY. YES. OKAY. AND, AND COUNCILMAN, JUST, JUST TO ADD TO YOUR LAST QUESTION, I THINK YOUR LAST QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A PLAN IN PLACE? YES, SIR. THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS. AND TO BUDDY'S POINT, THIS IS LOOKING AT CONTROLS. JUST KIND OF PUT IN CONTEXT, THERE'S 26,000 TRANSACTIONS THAT RUN THROUGH THIS PROGRAM IN LESS THAN A YEAR OF THAT BUDDY. AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE WHAT HE POINTED OUT BECAUSE HE DID POINT OUT SOME DEFICIENCIES AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. AND WE WENT BACK AND MELANIE KEATON, OUR DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR AND HER TEAM WENT BACK AND WENT THROUGH EVERY TRANSAC TRANSACTION THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AND LOOKED AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE REFERENCE, THEY WERE UNALLOWED, BUT WE WENT BACK AND THERE'S SOME REASONS THEY WERE UNALLOWED FROM A SYSTEMS PERSPECTIVE. 'CAUSE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING FROM WELLS FARGO TO CHASE, WHICH IS A NEW SYSTEM. THERE WERE SOME LIMITATIONS IN THE OLD SYSTEM THAT WE HAD PUT THINGS IN PLACE. THIS NEW SYSTEM ACTUALLY GIVES US SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY BUILD SOME ADDITIONAL CONTROLS THEN TO MAKE SURE ONE, THAT THEY'RE APPROVED AND THEY'RE ALLOWED. UM, WE HAD SOME DUPLICATE THINGS IN PLACE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM THAT WE CAN DO AWAY WITH. NOW, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE TRANSACTIONS, WE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT GAVE US CONCERN OR PAUSE AS FAR AS WHAT WAS BEING PURCHASED. UM, THE LAST ISSUE, I THINK I'LL SAY IS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE ISSUE ON THE CARD HOLDERS THAT WERE NOT TERMINATED. WE DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. WE HAD A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT WASN'T WORKING. WE STRENGTHENED THAT PROCESS. NOW, WHENEVER THERE IS A TERMINATION THROUGH OUR PAYROLL OR THROUGH OUR HR PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA NOTIFY US PROACTIVELY SO WE CAN DISCONTINUE THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM. SO WE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT IT, WE'VE STRENGTHENED IT ACROSS THE BOARD, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW PROCUREMENT GUIDE. IT IS, I'LL BE TRANSPARENT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT LATE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COME OUT THE END OF JUNE 30TH. WE LOST THREE OF OUR INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ACTUALLY ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM, BUT THAT WILL BE COMING OUT THIS WEEK. AND IT'S, THE PROGRAM GUIDE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED TO ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN SOME OF OUR PROCESSES IN OUR CONTROLS. SO THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE, UM, AND THIS IS A PROGRAM THEN WORKING WITH BUDDY AND ABIGAIL THAT WE WANT SOME FREQUENCY ON LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH VOLUME AND HIGH POTENTIAL FOR, UM, HIGH RISK AREA. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE MORE FREQUENTLY ON THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT, UM, IT, IT SHOULD, IT SEEMS TO ME BE EASIER TO MONITOR OURSELVES INTERNALLY, UH, THAN IT IS TO MONITOR SOME OF THESE OUT OUTSIDE GROUPS. UM, WE NEED TO DO BOTH, CERTAINLY. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE TAKING STEPS TO, TO TRY TO RECTIFY SOME OF THIS BECAUSE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC PERCEPTION, I MEAN, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. SO, THANKS CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND I THINK, BEN, YOU WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE, THIS IS, WELL, TROY AND, AND YOUR UH, KIND OF DEPARTMENT, AND I KNOW PCARDS, I, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE WASTEFUL SPENDING AT CITY CA AT CITY HALL. I DON'T KNOW. 'CAUSE I KNOW OUR, UH, OUR TEAMS HAVE ACCESS [00:20:01] TO THAT. BUT BEN, YOU WANNA SHARE A LITTLE ON THE PROCEDURES AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT? SURE. CHAIR, I'LL JUST ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK TROY COVERED IT WELL. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN. CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WANT TO BE VERY VIGILANT OF. UM, AS TROY MENTIONED, THE PROGRAM IS REALLY MEANT TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE BUREAUCRACY AND BURDENSOME PROCESSES OF DOING SMALL DOLLAR PURCHASES. SO AS TROY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE YEAR THAT BUDDY WAS LOOKING AT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $7.3 MILLION, 26,000 TRANSACTIONS. SO WE'RE TALKING LESS THAN $300 ON AVERAGE. UM, THE THINGS THAT BUDDY NOTED AND KIND OF WENT THROUGH ARE, I THINK, SOME TRANSITIONAL STUFF THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN US MOVING FROM THE, UH, WELLS FARGO PLATFORM OVER TO THE CHASE PLATFORM. YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME TECHNOLOGY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO USE THE SYSTEM TO TRACK BETTER AND ALLOW US TO CATCH THINGS A LITTLE BIT QUICKER. BUT I DID WANNA NOTE FOR YOU THAT IN THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE, A BUDDY MENTIONED THE 1600 AND WHAT WAS IT, 44 POTENTIALLY UNCOWED TRANSACTIONS. TROY HAD FINANCE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THEM TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOT AN ISSUE. WASTEFUL SPENDING SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON, FOUND THE DOCUMENTATION AND CLEARED MOST OF THEM, ALL OF THEM DIDN'T FIND ANY, WHAT I WOULD CALL DISALLOWED COSTS, BUT STILL CONCERNING THAT THOSE THINGS WERE THERE. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WANT BUDDY TO COME IN AND AVIGAIL TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, CAN I SEE THESE THINGS? WE WANT THAT TO BE A FIVE MINUTE PROCESS. HERE ARE THESE THINGS, WE'RE CLEARED, WE'RE DONE. UM, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. SO WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO AND SOME IMPROVEMENT TO DO. BUT I, I THINK THERE ARE TRANSITIONAL THINGS THAT OCCURRED. THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PLATFORM THAT WE NOW HAVE FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND IS IN PLACE. SO I THINK A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE, UM, WE CAN ADDRESS AND, AND SHOULDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES GOING FORWARD. SO, AND I, AND I, I DON'T KNOW BUDDY, IF THIS ISN'T ON YOUR FOLLOW UP PLAN, BUT WE WANNA FOLLOW UP, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT ON OUR KIND OF A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LOT OF VOLUME AND IT'S A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRANSACTIONS. THERE'S SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT COME OUT OF IT TOO. HE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE AND I LOST THE PAGE, UM, THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS COULD BE ON ANNUAL CONTRACTS, BUT WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET A BETTER PRICE. WE WANNA DO THAT TOO. SO THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THE, THE DATA ANALYSIS REALLY LOOKING AT THAT, IT CHANGES. SO WE WANT TO BE MONITORING IN THAT, LOOKING AT THAT SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT AND FOLLOW THAT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ONE, GETTING THE BEST PRICE WE CAN FOR, FOR ITEMS AS WELL. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT THAT WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON. AND JUST TO TOUCH, WE ARE, THIS IS, WE FOLLOW UP ON EACH ONE OF OUR AUDITS, BUT THIS IS A CYCLE AUDIT. SO THIS IS ONE THAT WE CONSIDER REPEATING EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. UH, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON EACH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN IT, IT IS IN OUR CYCLE, UH, AUDITS, UH, TO COMPLETE EVERY, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY, EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU. AND I THINK ON THIS ONE, UH, SORRY, CHERYL ON THIS ONE BUDDY, MAYBE THERE'S A CONSIDERATION TO MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT SOONER. WE HAD A FEW ISSUES. I KNOW IT'S LIKE ON A THREE OR FOUR YEAR CYCLE, I'D BE HAPPY IF BUDDY COMES BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAYS, HEY, I WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THIS STUFF IS, IS IMPLEMENTED AND THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY WHERE WE CAN. GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, UH, MESSA GONZALES. SORRY, APOLOGIES. ARE THERE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS THAT, I GUESS MORE DEPARTMENTS THAN OTHERS THAT WERE USING THIS OR OF THE, OF THE 26,000? WAS IT COMING FROM ANY SPECIFIC NO. COUNSEL. I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A CITYWIDE, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE A PROCESS AGAIN THAT THAT TAKES A LOT OF SMALL DOLLAR PURCHASES. YEAH, THAT'S VERY HUNDRED. AND DOESN'T US GO THROUGH THE FORMAL, FORMAL PROCESS. YEAH. SO, UM, STILL HAVE CONTROLS IN PLACE, SO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TRACKING IT, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE TO ALL DEPARTMENTS TO USE. YEAH. UM, SO THERE WASN'T ANY ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT I SAW THAT WAS, THAT WAS A SPECIFIC ISSUE? NO, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE CONTEXT IS ABOUT TODAY THERE'S A LITTLE OVER 400 OF THESE CARDS ARE OUT ACROSS THE CITYWIDE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY, THERE ARE SOME DEPARTMENTS GONNA BE HIGHER VOLUME USERS THAN OTHER, BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ISOLATED OF ONE DEPARTMENT. ANOTHER IS, YEAH. ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT A MO A ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. UH, THIS IS A, THIS IS FOR BRIEFING ONLY, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE AUDIT COMMITTEE THAT WE ARE GOING INTO 2026 WITH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL WERE BRIEFED ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE STARTED WITH OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, UH, WHICH DEBBIE WILL SEND OUT AND WE WILL HAVE THE TIME. SO, UH, BUDDY, [00:25:01] GO AHEAD AND PRESENT. ALRIGHTY, UH, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, NEW FOLKS, MY NAME IS BUDDY VARGAS. I'M THE CITY AUDITOR. UH, AGAIN, UH, UH, GREAT TO BE BACK. UH, WELCOME TO THE NEW FOLKS. I'M GONNA BE PRESENTING THE PROPOSED 26, UH, ANNUAL AUDIT PLAN, BUDDY. BEFORE, ARE YOU GONNA NEED US TO ACCEPT THIS OR THIS IS JUST, IT'S A BRIEFING. THE ACTUAL APPROVAL IS, UH, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE IT ON THE A SESSION OCTOBER 9TH. OKAY. FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SO I'M SORRY. WE WILL NEED TO, I WILL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND YES. AFTER THIS TO SEND IT FORWARD TO AN A SESSION. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, UH, AGAIN, OUR AUDIT PLAN IS, UH, REQUIRED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND ALSO COUNCIL RIGHT NOW TENTATIVELY IT'S, UH, SCHEDULED. OUR GOAL IS TO SCHEDULE IT ON THE OCTOBER 9TH, UH, COUNCIL MEETING. UH, TO TOUCH BASE ON JUST, UH, SOME BACKGROUND ON METHODOLOGY, WE, UH, SOLICIT INPUT FROM MANAGEMENT FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, WE ALSO DO A HIGH LEVEL RISK ASSESSMENT, UH, TO PRIORITIZE AUDITS. UH, WE START ANYWHERE BETWEEN 80 ISH AUDITS ON A POTENTIAL PLAN. UH, AND WE TAKE A, A, A HIGH LEVEL RISK APPROACH TO, UH, WHITTLE THAT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE NUMBER. UH, OUR PLAN CAN BE MODIFIED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, RISK CHANGE CONTROLS, PROCEDURES CHANGE, AND WE, UH, MODIFY APPROPRIATELY. I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON FOUR OF THOSE, UH, THAT WERE ON THE 25 PLAN THAT ARE MODIFIED. WE HAVE TWO THAT, UH, ARE, WERE POSTPONED. THAT ROLLED OVER TO 26. UH, ONE OF 'EM IS THE, UH, AVIATION, UM, PARKING OPERATIONS AUDIT. WE STARTED THAT AUDIT. THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE VENDOR THAT AVIATION GOT INVOLVED WITH ALSO. UH, TROY'S TEAM WAS ALSO INVOLVED. UH, THEY MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROCESS AND PROCEDURAL CHANGES. SO WE DECIDED TO LET THAT, UH, THOSE, UH, MODIFICATIONS RUN FOR A WHILE. AND WE ADDED IT TO THE 26 PLAN. UH, SAME, UH, METHODOLOGY FOR THE SAP UPGRADE. THERE WERE HOURS ALLOCATED IN 25, HOWEVER, THE FIRST PHASE JUST GOT IMPLEMENTED LAST MONTH IN JULY. SO WE'RE GONNA LET THAT PROCESS RUN, AND WE PUT THAT ON THE 26TH PLAN. A COUPLE OF AUDITS THAT DID NOT MAKE IT, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION TO 26 2 THAT WERE CONSIDERED FOR ROLLOVERS WAS THE CCDO PARKING OPERATIONS. UH, BUT DURING THE YEAR, WE LEARNED THAT THERE'S AN RFP, UH, PROBABLY MID LATE SPRING, AND IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO AUDIT THAT WHEN, UH, IT MAY BE OUTSOURCED. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT PROBABLY 27, 28. UH, THE LAST ONE IS THE LGC AUDIT. THAT'S, UH, FROM A RISK STANDPOINT, CONSIDERING OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, BUDGET SHORTFALL, THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PRIORITIES WE ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON FOR WHAT GETS INCLUDED FOR 26. VERY LITTLE RISK OF VERY SMALL IN SCOPE. SO WE ROLLED THAT OVER TO 26. BUT EVEN DURING OUR RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS, IT DIDN'T MAKE THAT 26 PLAN. JUST AN OVERVIEW, WHAT OUR AUDIT INCLUDE, OUR PLAN INCLUDES IS 32 PERFORMANCE AUDITS. WE HAVE THREE CONSULTING PROJECTS. WE HAVE SPECIAL PROJECT REQUESTS. WE HAVE SOME HOURS THAT ARE RESERVED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AGAIN, TO EITHER ADD O UH, AUDITS OR ADJUST AUDITS WHERE NEEDED. UH, WE HAVE FOLLOW UP WORK, WE HAVE AUDITS, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON. SO WE HAVE HOURS ALLOCATED FOR THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE HOURS FOR OUR DATA ANALYSIS FUNCTION THAT WE DO, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION AGAIN, IS WE STARTED WITH AROUND 80 AUDITS. OUR PRIORITY FOR 2026 WAS TO ADD AS MUCH VALUE AS POSSIBLE FOR 26, AND TO TRY TO IMPACT, HOPEFULLY 27 FROM A REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE OF OUR BUDGET SHORTFALL, UM, THE ECONOMIC, UH, POSITION THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR AUDITS, A GOOD CHUNK OF 'EM, APPROXIMATELY 10, UH, HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE COMPONENT. UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE RELATED TO SAFETY, UH, FROM A, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF THE RECENT FLOODING THAT HAPPENED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, THERE'S A NEW HOMELESS SERVICE DEPARTMENT. SO YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF HOMELESS, UM, AUDITS THAT ARE ON THE PLAN. UH, AND REALLY JUST WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT. AGAIN, WE START WITH AROUND 80 AND THEN WE WHITTLE IT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE NUMBER. UM, AND AGAIN, WE, WE, UH, TAKE A, A A RISK, RISK-BASED APPROACH. SO, SO TO GIVE YOU A, JUST A QUICK EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS A COMPLIANCE BASED AUDIT, UH, VERSUS A REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE COMPONENT, IT PROBABLY DIDN'T MAKE THE 26TH PLAN. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY MY PRESENTATION LIST. ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ON THE PLAN, UM, OR THE PLAN IN GENERAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BETTY. SO WE HAVE, IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR SLIDESHOW, THERE [00:30:01] IS 38 3 CONSULTING PROJECTS. AND THEN THE 35, UH, 35, INCLUDING, UM, THE ONES I THINK, I THINK THE ONE WE, UH, WHAT I'M HAPPY TO SEE ON THERE OR WHAT IS OUR, UM, IS OUR WORKFORCE, OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT REGARDING PROJECT QUEST. AND OF COURSE THE, UH, HOMELESS SERVICE AND STRATEGIES IS WE MOVE, MAKE THE MOVE TO THE NEW, UM, THE NEW DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY. UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THERE AND READY TO WORK, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE READY TO WORK AS A WHOLE. OKAY. AND IT'S A, A, THESE ARE CYCLE AUDITS. WE'LL TAKE A DEEP DIVE, UH, WITH A PARTICULAR VENDOR, PARTICULAR CONTRACT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT MADE IT TO, TO 2026. NOW, I THINK THIS LOOKS GOOD WITH THE INPUT OF THE COUNCIL. I, I FEEL LIKE THIS LOOKS GOOD. UH, DO ANY OF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, MS. GONZALEZ? YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD MAYBE ADD A, A COLUMN THAT KIND OF GUESS MAYBE LAST TIME IT WAS AN AUDIT TOOK PLACE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, OR IF THIS IS WELL, I, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. I CAN PROBABLY ADD THAT TO THE NEXT AUDIT COMMITTEE AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, I HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I ADDED TO THE PRESENTATION. 'CAUSE THIS WAS A VERY SHORT MEETING. I GUESS JUST WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO A SESSION, RIGHT? YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THIS SESSION. YES. AND MAYBE YOU CAN INCLUDE JUST A A SO I HAVE, I HAVE A, WE HAVE A MATRIX THAT HAS EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT'S BEEN AUDITED OR THE, OVER SEVEN YEARS. OVER SEVEN YEARS. YEAH, I GUESS OF THESE 38. OH, OKAY. YEAH, THESE 38 THAT WERE, THIS IS A PLAN FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO JUST WHEN THE LAST AUDIT WAS DONE. TIME. YES. NOW SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE, ARE NEW AUDIT, SO YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THEY WOULDN'T BE HONORED. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT. OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILMAN WHITE. YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANKS FOR YOUR WORK. UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF ALWAYS, BUT ESPECIALLY NOW WHEN WE'RE IN A, IN A PLACE OF, OF BUDGET DEFICITS AND MONEY BEING VERY, VERY, UH, TIGHT AROUND HERE, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE SPENDING THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY APPROPRIATELY. AND, UH, I HOPE THAT THROUGH YOUR WORK WE WILL, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S GONNA BE PERFECT. SO WE'RE GONNA FIND AREAS WHERE WE CAN DO BETTER AND WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO DO THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. UH, I THINK THE ONE THING IS, UH, MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT, UM, THAT THIRD COLUMN THAT LETS US KNOW THE LAST TIME THAT DEPARTMENT WAS AUDITED, IF IT'S A NEW DEPARTMENT WITH A NEW, UH, AUDIT OR A NEW FEATURE. 'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM LOOK LIKE NEW, UM, PRODUCTS THAT WE MAY HAVE PURCHASED. UH, SO THIS MIGHT BE NEW. IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT SO THAT WHEN WE GET, UM, WHEN THE COUNCIL GETS IT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SEE THAT ON THERE. UH, SO ALL I NEED IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TAKE THIS TO, UM, A SESSION ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH. OCTOBER 9TH. NINTH, OCTOBER 9TH. MOTION SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. MOTION CARRIES. UM, THERE BEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. THE TIME IS NOW 1:35 PM AND THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 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