[9:00 AM – Call to Order]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD FOR FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS PRESENT.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JASON VASQUEZ, VICE CHAIR AND JUANITA SIP IS THE CHAIRWOMAN.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR HIS PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY MENTION THAT WE WILL BE HAVING OUR FIRST INSTALLMENT OF OUR PRESERVATION ACADEMY SERIES RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM TOMORROW MORNING AT 10:00 AM IT'S GONNA BE PRESERVATION 1 0 1.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHERE THIS ALL CAME FROM AND ABOUT PRESERVATION POLICY IN SAN ANTONIO, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE LIGHT REFRESHMENTS AND A DOOR PRIZE FOR THOSE THAT THAT ATTEND.
UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 22ND.
CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 22ND, 2025 MEETING? I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY.IF YOU CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN PLEASE.
UM, WE HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA TODAY.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR SPEAKERS SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
UM, YOU DO HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS TO REFERENCE.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL ANY A CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT, CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE?
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I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 0 3 WEST GRAND MERCY PLACE, 2 46 LORRAINE BOULEVARD AND 5 0 7 EAST ATCH AVENUE.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
WE WILL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS. FIRST UP IS 6 24 EAST GUNTHER STREET, SO, UH, CTAP CASE 2025 DASH 2 28.THIS IS FOR 6 2 4 EAST GUNTHER STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT SIDING ALREADY INSTALLED ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE NEW SIDING BE REPLACED WITH IN KIND SIDING THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND PROFILE DIMENSIONS.
A SITING SAMPLE MUST BE PROVIDED TO STAFF FOR FIELD VERIFICATION PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON AND WE DO HAVE A VERBAL CONFIRMATION THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IF THE THE APPLICANT IS, UM, WOULD, WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.
AND THEN YOU'LL JUST PUSH THE BUTTON TO SPEAK AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CHRIS NEGLEY, 64 EAST GUNTHER.
WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO MENTION, UM, BESIDES THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WANNA FOLLOW 'EM AND BASICALLY GIVE 'EM SAMPLES BEFORE THE NEXT WE DO ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, LET ME ASK MY COLLEAGUES IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? NO.
CHRIS, ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? HE'S HERE NOW.
OH, CHRIS, CHRISTOPHER, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THE GUNTHER STREET? I GIVE GIVEN THE, UH, THIS IS AN INTEREST.
CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, UH, GUNTHER ADDRESS.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF AND YOU SHOULD BE GOOD.
NEXT CASE IS 2 38 QUENTIN DRIVE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE CTA CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 3 4 2 38.
QUENTIN DRIVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE AN EXISTING SIDE BALCONY FENCE WITH A FOUR FOOT TALL IRON FENCE WITH ILS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A TRADITIONAL BALCONY RAILING TO FEATURE BOTH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL.
THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING.
BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS.
THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET.
THE APPLICANT RON HUBBARD IS HERE IN PERSON.
AND, UH, MR. HUBBARD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN WALK THE COMMISSIONERS TO YOUR REQUEST.
YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO DO SO.
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GOOD MORNING.MY NAME IS RON HUBBARD AND THAT IS MY PROPERTY, 2 38 QUENTIN.
AND I'LL, UH, UH, WHAT IS IN QUESTION IS RIGHT ABOVE THE GARAGE, THE FENCED AREA RIGHT THERE AND WHAT I'M REQUESTING, I CAN LIVE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE WOOD, UH, THE BASE AND THE TOP.
UM, I HAVE FOUND THINGS SINCE THIS THAT WILL BE EVEN BETTER AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I REALIZE THIS IS HIGHLY UNORTHODOX BECAUSE NEW MATERIAL BEING ADDED IN, UH, BUT I HAVE FOUND IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO, UH, THE FRONT VIEW OF THE, UH, WINDOW, I HAVE FOUND, UH, ROCK IRON THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE ROT IRON THAT GOES ACROSS THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BALCONY.
I WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT INSIDE OF A WOOD FENCE GOING ACROSS, UH, MAKING IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE FOUR FEET HIGH.
UH, THE REASON FOR IT 36 INCHES IS WHAT THE, UH, STANDARD IS FOR ARCHITECTURE AND THAT IS FINE EXCEPT FOR I'M VERY, THAT'S WHERE 36 INCHES HITS ON ME.
AND IF I'M GOING TO BE USING MY OWN, EXCUSE ME, IF I'M GONNA BE USING MY OWN BALCONY AND AT MY AGE I'M DOUBT TURN 65, UH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STUMBLING AND SUDDENLY FALLING OVER BECAUSE THE RAILING FROM MY BALCONY IS ONLY HITTING ME AT MY, JUST BELOW MY HIP PANEL.
SO I WOULD LIKE IT, THE FOUR FIFTH TALL GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I CAN DO EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IN THE WAY IT BEING WOOD, UH, THE BASE AND THE BOTTOM BEING RAISED UP.
BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE THEN THE ROCK IRON.
AND I HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE ROCK IRON HERE.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND PANELS.
UH, SO IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, IF YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UM, YOUR DECISION.
UM, AND YOU'RE ASKING TO GO FROM THREE FEET TO FOUR FEET? NO, IT'S PRESENTLY, THE LOWEST POINT ON THERE IS ROUGHLY FIVE FEET UHHUH
WELL LET ME OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES.
UH, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, I THINK, I THINK IT'S THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IS THREE FEET.
AND SO HE'S ASKING, I THINK TO HAVE SOMETHING TALLER THAN THE STAFF'S.
I'M ASKING FOR AT LEAST FOUR FEET.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT BESIDES, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO, UM, THE INTRODUCTION OF, UH, THE NEW MATERIAL THAT HE HAS FOUND IS THAT, WOULD THAT STILL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? WOULD IT STILL APPLY TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE? NOT, NOT THE, NOT THE FEET PART, BUT THE NEW MATERIALS.
LET'S CLARIFY, UM, THE PROPOSED NEW MATERIAL, UM, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ON THE CEILING CAM HERE.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING WHERE THERE WOULD BE THESE PANELS SPACED IN BETWEEN? RIGHT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER, UH, WITH THAT, IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD SKETCH.
UH, BUT IF YOU'D GO BACK TO THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT IS ROUGHLY 10 AND A HALF FEET GOING ACROSS, UH, KEEPING THE WOOD IN THE CENTER AND AT THE EDGES, I WOULD BRING THOSE POSTS DOWN FROM SIX FEET, WHICH THEY PRESENTLY ARE TO FOUR FEET AND THEN HAVE THE WOOD GOING ACROSS.
AND THEN WHERE THE SQUIGGLY LINES ARE AT, I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO, IF NOT THREE, DEPENDING ON, UH, THE SYMMETRY GOING ACROSS.
UH, FOR THAT, THOSE PANELS ARE EIGHT INCHES, I BELIEVE WIDE, I DON'T REMEMBER, AND THEY'RE 32 INCHES HIGH.
UM, SO I WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FENCE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS THE RAW IRON GOING DOWN AND I'D EITHER HAVE TWO OR THREE SPREAD OUT ALONG THAT AREA.
AND THEN AGAIN, ALONG THE SIDE OF IT, WHICH I MEAN YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT.
BUT ALONG THE SIDE, THE SAME THING, UH, SAME DESIGN THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 20, I'M SORRY, 18 AND A HALF FEET, UH, GOING DOWN THE SIDE.
SO IT HAS ONE, TWO, IT HAS FOUR SECTIONS OF THE SIX FOOT POST.
THOSE FOUR SIX FOOT POSTS WOULD BE CUT DOWN TO FOUR FEET AND THEN THE RAILING, WOOD RAILING GOING THROUGH AND THEN AGAIN SPACING OUT THIS ROCK IRON ALONG THE SIDE, UH, TO COMPLIMENT, UH, GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
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UH, IT IS MY INTENTION, THE, THIS ALL STARTED WITH THE, I WAS REPAINTING THE HOUSE, WHICH I WENT THROUGH AND DONE.UH, WHEN I WENT TO REPAINT THE FENCE, UH, THAT'S WHEN I HAD SO MUCH WOOD ROT THAT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT COMING OFF ON THE SIDE OVER HERE, IF YOU COULD, UH, GO BACK TO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PICTURES, THAT WAY THEY COULD SEE THE INSIDE OF THE GARAGE.
UM, THAT IS WHAT I'M DEALING WITH ON THE INSIDE.
AND THAT HOLE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM IS WHERE THE MIDDLE POST ON THE SIDE IS COMING THROUGH.
SO I'M REPLACING THAT GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND AS LONG AS I CAN REPLACE THAT, I'M GONNA KEEP ALL THOSE OTHER WOOD ONES THERE.
AND SO COMMISSIONERS, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY TO GET AT, UH, THE SOLUTION THAT READ MORE AS A BALCONY RAILING VERSUS FENCING OVER THE GARAGE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE HEIGHT.
UM, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL.
YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER THAT BASED ON THE, THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY LEFT OVER HERE ON MY RIGHT? UH, YES.
UM, SO BETWEEN THE WROUGHT IRON PANELS THAT YOU HAVE MM-HMM
UH, SHOWN HERE, UH, WHAT IS IN THERE IN BETWEEN THE TWO? THERE'S NOT GOING, IT'S GONNA BE OPEN SPACE, JUST LIKE THE FRONT PANELS ON THE, UH, FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
UM, NOW ON THOSE, THEY DO HAVE THE, IT HAS ONE LINE OF A WR IRON GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND IF NEED BE, I CAN EVEN GO AHEAD AND PLACE THOSE IN THERE.
BUT I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS PORTION AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE RAW IRON AND THE LOOK OF THE ACTUAL HOUSE ITSELF AND KEEPING IT ON THE HOUSE AND NOT ON, UM, THAT IS A DECK ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UH, ONE, WOULDN'T YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE NO MORE THAN A FOUR INCH CLEARING BETWEEN YOUR VERTICAL RAILS BY CODE? YEAH.
FOR A BALCONY RAILING, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF OPENING THAT IS LARGER THAN FOUR INCHES OF DIAMETER.
SO THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC HERE.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THIS REALLY CONSIDERED A, A BALCONY LOOKS LIKE A FLAT ROOF TO ME.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO 'EM ALSO BECAUSE THEY KEEP REFERRING TO IT AS A BALCONY.
UH, THE STAFF WILL GIVE THAT THIS IS AN INTERESTING OR CERTAINLY UNIQUE SITUATION.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THIS SIDE FACING GARAGE THAT, UM, APPEARS, UM, CONTEMPORARY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH EVIDENCE TO SHOW OTHER THAN GOOGLE STREET IMAGES DATING BACK TO 2007 TO SHOW THAT THIS IS, WAS HISTORICALLY USED AS AN UPPER PATIO BALCONY, UH, CONFIGURATION.
UM, BUT THE MAIN POINT FROM STAFF IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT, OR THE MAIN QUESTION FROM STAFF IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE INSTALLATION OF A FENCE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON TOP OF A UM, STRUCTURE.
RIGHT? SO THAT IN ESSENCE IS MY QUESTION AS WELL.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT'S THERE NOW LOOKS PRETTY TEMPORARY.
UM, SO I SEE THAT AS AS SLIGHTLY PROBLEMATIC.
UM, AND ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER, JUST TO ADD SOME CLARITY AS WELL.
SO THIS CONFIGURATION HERE WITH THE SIX FEET TO FOUR FIVE FEET AND THEN IT, UH, PITCHES BACK UPWARD TO SIX FEET, UM, AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HAS BEEN ON THE STRUCTURE AT LEAST SINCE 2007 AS WELL.
UM, IF THAT PROVIDES ANY CLARITY.
UM, UM, MAY I ADDRESS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS? YES.
I'M, I WILL BE RAISING THAT DOESN'T SHOW IT TOO WELL, BUT I'LL BE RAISING THAT BOTTOM RAIL THAT FOUR INCHES RIGHT ABOVE.
SO I HAVE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE SPACING BETWEEN YOUR WROUGHT IRON PANELS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS BETWEEN IT, BUT IT, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN FOUR INCHES.
OH, THAT CANNOT, YEAH, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT.
I CAN VERY EASILY, AS I SAID, I WILL ADD IN MORE OF THOSE PANELS, UH, THOSE ROCK IRON PANELS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
UH, AGAIN, ALL THAT I TRULY WANT IS, I'M CALLING IT A FENCE.
YOU CAN CALL IT A RAILING, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT.
I JUST WANT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH THAT AS I ENJOY MY DECK OUT THERE, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT AS I COME NEAR THE EDGE, I'M NOT GONNA BE WORRYING ABOUT, OH, I SHOULD, COULD POSSIBLY TRIP AND FALL OVER.
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A MATTER OF ADDING MORE, I WILL ADD IN.IF YOU WANT IN BETWEEN, I CAN ADD IN THOSE SAME RAILINGS.
UH, I WILL FIND A NUMBER OF THEM, UH, TO GO AHEAD OR IF YOU ARE SAYING IT SHOULD BE LIKE THE, UH, ONE SINGLE POST THAT IS COMING ON THE FRONT BETWEEN THOSE RAILINGS ON THE FRONT PORT, I WILL DO THAT ALSO.
I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
UM, LIKE I SAID, MY BIGGEST, UM, PROBLEM OR OBSTACLE IS I WANT TO KEEP IT AT AT LEAST FOUR FEET.
THE, UH, METAL RAILINGS THAT ARE THERE NOW, THE BALCONY RAILINGS, HOW TALL, WHAT'S THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THOSE? UH, THOSE ARE 32 INCHES.
SO IN ESSENCE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 32 INCHES AND THEN FOUR FEET.
WELL THESE RAILINGS THAT I HAVE HERE, THOSE ARE ONLY 32 INCHES.
AND SO I WILL BE, BY THE TIME YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT BOTTOM PORTION COMING UP FOUR INCHES, I'M GONNA BE BUILDING A WOOD RAILING AT THE BOTTOM.
SO THESE CAN BE PLACED INSIDE AND HELD SECURELY.
UH, THAT'LL BE TAKING UP ROUGHLY AT LEAST FIVE, SIX INCHES.
AND THEN TO BALANCE IT OUT UP ON TOP, UH, WOULD BE ANOTHER FOUR INCHES.
SO IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 42 TO 46 INCHES.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE FOUR FOOT.
AND I'LL, BRIAN, WAS THERE ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR ANYTHING SUBMITTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, NO VICE CHAIR.
THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THIS REQUEST.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UM, I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE HEIGHT IS, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSISTENCY IN THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE RAILING THROUGHOUT.
YOU FOUND A PANEL THAT DID YOU SAY MATCHES THIS DESIGN OR IS VERY CLOSE? IT MATCHES IT, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN, UH, THESE PANELS THAT ARE ON THE FRONT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE STAYING, THOSE ARE VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO THE 1950S, 1960S LOOKS THAT YOU ALWAYS SEE OF KIND OF A GRAPEVINE GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PANEL, UH, IS THE BEST, ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE FOUND SO FAR.
I FOUND OTHER PANELS THAT ARE MUCH SHORTER, UH, AND I FOUND OTHER PANELS THAT ARE LARGER, UM, BUT NONE BEING ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, GRAPEVINE WREATH ON THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE, UH, ALSO MODIFYING THE EXISTING RAILING, IS THAT CORRECT? BRINGING UP THE HEIGHT OF IT, UH, FOR THE FENCE FOR THE EXISTING ONE, THE EXISTING RAIL, UM, ON THE PORCH, EXISTING RAILS? WELL, UH, NO, THOSE ARE ALL, NOTHING IS GONNA BE DONE ON THAT FRONT PORCH.
THIS IS ONLY ON THE DECK ABOVE THE GARAGE.
SO ANYTHING THAT, UM, IS PUT UP THERE IS NOT GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT OF, OF WHAT'S HERE.
UM, THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU IS IF YOU SEE THE, UH, WOOD GOING ACROSS THE VERY TOP OVER THERE, THAT SUPPORT BEAM GOING ACROSS RIGHT THERE, UH, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER OR ABOUT THAT HEIGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE WOOD FOR THE RAILING WOULD START AT.
AND THEN AS I GO DOWNWARD AND NOW DROP IT BY FIVE INCHES OR SO, FOUR INCHES AND THAT WILL BE WHERE THE RAW IRON WOULD START AND THAT WOULD GO DOWN 32 INCHES.
AND SO, UM, THE RAW IRON THAT IS ON THE BALCONY RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT IS THREE INCHES ABOVE THE LEVEL PORTION OF THE BALCONY.
UM, I KNOW THAT OUR, UM, OUR MISSION IS NOT TO DESIGN THINGS, HOWEVER, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE SAY THINGS LIKE SHOULD MATCH EXISTING MM-HMM
IN MATERIAL PROFILE DIMENSION, ET CETERA.
UM, SO I'M HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH, UM, THE DESIGN THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH.
UM, AND SO MY RE CAN, CAN I MAKE A RE SHOULD I, AND WHAT AM I
OH, NO, I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES, UH, CONCERN.
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I, I HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN.MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WITH YOUR CURRENT DESIGN, AND I REALIZE IT'S JUST A SKETCH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT ALL OF THE WHITE, UM, GR VINES, UH, AS, AS THEY WERE, THAT THE PANELS ARE NOT GOING TO ALIGN.
SO YOU WILL HAVE THE TWO CURRENT BALCONY ONES, WHETHER ARE THOSE, THERE'S EIGHT THERE, OR SIX I GUESS, AND THEN THE, THE ONES THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO BUILD OR IM IMPORT IMPLEMENT ARE GOING TO BE ABOVE THAT, EVEN IF IT'S AN INCH, TWO INCHES, WHATEVER.
SO IT WON'T BE CONGRUENT, IT'LL BE INCONGRUENT.
AND SO YOU'LL HAVE THE, THESE THAT LOOK LIKE THIS UP THERE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? UH, YES.
THAT'S PART OF MY CONCERN ALONG WITH HIM INTRODUCING A NEW MATERIAL, WHICH WOULD BE WOOD AND INSTEAD OF THE METAL AGREED.
UM, MAYBE GETTING BACK TO, I'M ONLY INTRODUCING THE WOOD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY WANTED.
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO INCORPORATE WHAT, UH, THEY WERE SAYING WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF THE WOOD GOING ACROSS.
UH, IF WE DON'T NEED THE WOOD, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO WITHOUT THE WOOD.
WELL, YOU AND DO THE ROT IRON GOING ACROSS, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO DOING THE ROT IRON AT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE CURRENT BALCONY? UH, NO.
AGAIN, I AM SIX FOOT ONE AND THE ROT IRON, UH, FOR FINDING THIS, I FOUND A FLAT ONE THAT IS, GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT IS FOUR FEET HIGH.
AND I HAVE FOUND THIS ONE TO MATCH THE, UM, UHHUH GRAPEVINE IN THE FRONT AND THAT IS 31 OR 32 INCHES, WHATEVER, UH, IT SAYS ON HERE.
SO IF I JUST TOOK STRAIGHT THAT, UM, AND RAISED IT EVEN UP TWO INCHES, UH, AND THEN HAD THE ROCK IRON AT THE TOP AND ALL, UH, AND THEN SAYING WHERE THOSE CURRENT WOOD POSTS ARE AT, I'M ASSUMING THEN THAT THE PANEL WOULD NOT WANT ME TO KEEP THOSE WOOD RAILINGS, THEY WOULD WANT IT TO ALL BE RAW IRON.
SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THOSE WOULD STILL BE COMING UP JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
SO THAT WOULD STILL PUT IT RIGHT AT ABOUT 36 INCHES FOR THE HEIGHT OF IT AND ALL.
AND AGAIN, FOR ME ENJOYING IT AND MY AGE, UM, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE WHOLE THING.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, MY COLLEAGUES ARE IN UNISON ABOUT CONCERN WITH THE HEIGHT, UM, DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE WHAT'S ORIGINALLY THERE ON THE BALCONY, THE REAL BALCONY MM-HMM
AND THEN WHAT'S ABOVE THE GARAGE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL'S JOB IS, IS TO LISTEN TO THEM AND LISTEN TO ME.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, BY CODE, IS THE, UH, RAILING HEIGHT FOR, LET'S SAY A BALCONY, ISN'T THAT 42 INCHES OR IS IT 48 THESE DAYS? IT'S NOT 48.
I THINK IT'S BETWEEN 36 AND 42.
SO WOULD THAT BE A HEIGHT YOU'D CONSIDER? THAT WOULD BE THREE FEET, SIX INCHES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THREE AND A HALF FEET, THREE AND A HALF FEET REACHING A COMPROMISE IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE THREE AND A HALF FEET.
THAT'LL BE FINE BECAUSE 40 INCHES IS GONNA COME TO HERE.
I CAN FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN HAVING IT RIGHT HERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, THREE AND A HALF FEET OF 40 INCHES.
AND, UM, CAN I, UM, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING THIS CORRECTLY, THEN, UM, WELL WE, WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION WELL UNDERSTANDING YET.
I I JUST WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
THAT WOODEN STRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE, THAT'S THERE NOW, IT'S SIX FEET AT THE HIGHEST POINT, RIGHT? YES.
AND WE KNOW IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2007, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
AND SO IF HE HAD NEVER COME BEFORE US TODAY, THAT WOULD REMAIN AT SIX FEET WITHOUT QUESTION, NO ONE QUESTION IT, HE'S HERE TODAY TO ASK TO PUT SOMETHING NICER IN, BUT HE COULD HAVE KEPT LIKE A SIX FOOT FENCE IF HE DIDN'T COME IN.
IF IT, IF IT HAD IT BEEN REMOVED, THEN YES HE COULD MAINTAIN IT.
BUT NOW THAT IT'S BEEN FULLY REMOVED, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO LIKE THE BEST UH, SOLUTION HERE.
AND SO YOU REMOVED IT BECAUSE IT HAS, IT HAS NOT BEEN, HAS NOT BEEN FULLY REMOVED.
I PAINTING AND COMING ACROSS, IF YOU COULD GO TO ANY ONE OF THOSE PICTURES RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDE, I REMOVED THE, UH, THE UM,
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SLATS THEMSELVES, UH, BECAUSE ON THE SIDE ONE, IF YOU CAN TELL, UH, THOSE WERE STARTING TO FALL OFF BECAUSE OF THE ROTTEN WOOD.AND SO THAT'S WHEN I REALIZED, NO, THIS IS A SAFETY HAZARD.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, ALL THIS STUFF IN FRONT OF THIS ONE THING, YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL.
I HAVE, UH, TIED SOME VERY GOOD ROPE AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS ROTTEN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA FALL OVER AND ALL.
SO IT HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, ONLY THE SLATS, THE, THAT IS WHAT IS WHAT YOU SEE, THAT IS WHAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO THOSE SIX FOOT POSTS ARE STILL STILL THERE.
AND SO, UM, YOU'RE ONLY ADDRESSING THIS BECAUSE THERE'S WOOD ROTT AND YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT'S SAFE.
UH, THERE IS WOOD ROTT UNDERNEATH AND IN THE WAY OF DOING IT, UH, TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UH, BRINGING IT DOWN FROM THAT LARGER HEIGHT TO A SMALLER HEIGHT, UH, TRULY I'M TRYING TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UH, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE PAINTED THE SAME WHITE AS THAT RAW IRON GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO I'LL JUST SAY LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T ECHO THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD TODAY.
'CAUSE I THINK SAFETY AND THAT RAILING HEIGHT IS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DESIGN-WISE THAT'S A VERY QUICK SKETCH.
UM, BUT I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE COME BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED SKETCH IF THAT'S PROBLEMATIC OR CONCERNING, UM, WITH, WITH MAYBE SOME OF THE MATERIALS OR SOMETHING ELSE AT MOST.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 2007 WITHOUT INCIDENT, HE'S ACTUALLY ALREADY BRINGING IT DOWN AND COMPROMISING FROM A SIX FOOT.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT THE SAFETY ISSUE IS TO BE CONSIDERED.
HE'S NOT ASKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT IS WITH THE HOUSE.
HE'S ASKING TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY PUT IN AFTERWARDS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I DON'T TAKE ISSUE WITH PERSONALLY, BUT I COULD UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULDN'T BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
ANY ADDITIONAL? YEAH, I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR THE OWNER.
UM, WOULD YOU BE, IF, IF, IF APPROVED, WOULD YOU BE CARRYING AROUND CARRYING THE WR IRON, UM, DESIGN AROUND TO THE SIDE? OH, YES, MOST DEFINITELY.
UM, THE, WELL THE PANEL AND I HAVE FOUND, UM, THROUGH RESEARCH THEY HAVE 24 PANELS.
AND SO IF I CAN GET THOSE, IF I CAN GET THOSE, GREAT.
IF, UH, I CAN'T GET THOSE, AT LEAST I KNOW I CAN STILL BE LOOKING.
UM, AND AS I HAD SAID, GOING AROUND, UH, THE FRONT PART, IF IT IS ONLY FOUR THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT, THEN THAT'S WHAT I'LL USE.
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE FIVE OR SIX, THEN THAT'S WHAT I'LL USE AND THEY'LL CONTINUE THAT SAME PATTERN GOING ALONGSIDE.
I'M, THIS MAY BE DIRECT TO THE STAFF, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE WOOD GOING ACROSS THE TOP AND IT, IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S THERE ON THE BALCONY.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION STAFF ISN'T REQUIRING IT TO BE WOOD.
UM, WHAT WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS A, A WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND SO WELL NO, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD PROPOSED, A WR IRON FENCE.
BUT IN Y'ALL'S PROPOSAL RECOMMENDATION IT SAYS WOOD GOING TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE RAILING.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, SO JUST TO OFFER SOME, UM, CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.
SO STAFF ISN'T RECOMMENDING, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF A, UH, METAL AND WOOD RAILING, UH, FOR THIS LOCATION.
SO STAFF'S GENERAL STANDARD RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY RAILING ON PORCHES OR BALCONIES, UM, IS A TRADITIONAL WOOD RAILING.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, COMPLETELY WOOD MEMBERS WITH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL WITH VERTICAL SLATS AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT TODAY, UM, STAFF IS SEEING IT TODAY AS WELL.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT ADDRESSING, UM, THIS NEW DESIGN.
IF IT WERE, UH, STAFF WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT, UM, THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE MORE OF THE TRADITIONAL BALCONY RAILING AS UH, STATED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
BUT, UM, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING, UM, OR IS NOT STIPULATING THAT RAILING SHOULD FEATURE BOTH METAL AND WOOD.
UH, A FULLY WROUGHT IRON RAILING WOULD BE COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE.
CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE
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HEIGHT, THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF THE RAILING, UM, BE WHAT IS STIPULATED IN THE BUILDING CODE AND THAT THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT WORK WITH, UM, STAFF TO COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN.UM, CAN I REQUEST A MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS PART OF THAT STIPULATION BECAUSE I WAS JUST, THERE'S A MINIMUM IN THE CODE OF 36 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND 42 FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RAILING LIKE ON A STAIR OR A RAILING ON A BALCONY, AND I THINK THE BALCONY RAILING IS 42 INCHES FOR COMMERCIAL.
IT IS, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL, NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF IT WOULD BE NOT TO EXCEED 36 INCHES OR, OR WHAT, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.
QUESTION, IF YOU TAKE THE WOOD OUT OF THE PICTURE, WHAT WOULD BE THE OVERALL HEIGHT THEN FOR, ARE YOU ASKING ME? NO, UH, IF YOU'RE TAKING THE WOOD OUT OF THE OVERALL EQUATION, AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, METAL RAILINGS AS WELL AS THE TOP AND BOTTOM, UH, THAT COULD BE ANY HEIGHT, UH, THAT I COULD GO AHEAD AND GET, UM, WITH IT GOING AHEAD, I WOULD SAY THEN, UH, IF NOTHING ELSE, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AT LEAST TWO OR THREE INCHES AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT WAY WATER CAN RUN OFF AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE RUNNING INTO THE MIDDLE OF RAILING.
AND SO, UH, THAT TWO OR THREE INCHES ADDED ON TO, UM, I WOULD SAY 32 INCHES.
SO IT'D BE 35 INCHES, UH, AT THE TOP OF IT, UH, USING THESE PANELS THAT I HAVE FOUND.
AND UM, I HAVE ALSO FOUND A FOUR FOOT ONE THAT IS FOUR FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT, UH, THAT IS ON HERE.
THAT IS WHAT I ORIGINALLY SENT TO THEM.
I FOUND THAT THROUGH JUST GOING THROUGH LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT.
I HAD NOT GONE TO THE INTERNET YET TRYING TO FIND THESE OTHER PANELS.
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME, UH, WHEN I WAS SUBMITTING THIS.
SO NOW I'VE GONE THROUGH AND STARTED LOOKING FOR 'EM.
UM, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION? UM, I, UM, YES, I WILL MODIFY IT AND SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF INCLUDING THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING AND THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT THAT, WHAT THE MATERIAL IT IS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND IS THAT, IS THAT INCLUDING, OH, SORRY.
IF YOU WANT CLARIFICATION THAT, THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE THREE FEET AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? OH, SORRY.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OR ROLL CALL PLEASE.
DAVIS NAY GARCIA? YES, REGARD? UM, I SPILLER.
AYE, FULLERTON, NAY, P*****K, NAY AND VASQUEZ.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON, UH, NEXT STEPS.