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[3:00 PM – Call to Order]
TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 1ST.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? AND SAVINO.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM ACTING CHAIR JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER'S CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
WE'LL HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, NO, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUICK ORDER OF BUSINESS.
SO, UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER IS PRESIDING OVER THE MEETING TODAY IN THE ABSENCE OF CHAIR GIBBS.
AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A QUICK ELECTION FOR ACTING VICE CHAIR BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE A RECUSAL.
SO, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR ACTING VICE CHAIR? YES.
NOMINATIONS FOR ACTING VICE CHAIR.
ALL IN ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 17TH.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AND BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR CONSENT ITEMS, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED IN FOR, UM, GENERAL ITEMS. AND SO I'LL CALL HER UP NOW.
KATHLEEN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE YOUR COMMENTS NOW, OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THE TOP OF THE HEARING, KATHLEEN? YEAH, SO IF YOU WANNA GIVE YOUR COMMENTS NOW, WE'LL YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO DO THAT.
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I LIKE YOUR HAT.SO GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN.
AS OUR EYES FOCUS ON EVEN MORE DIGITAL EYES.
SOS CLUTTERING OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TODAY, THE DEBACLE IS BEING FORCED ON US BY CITY STAFF AND COUNCILMEN, MANY OF WHOM ARE NO LONGER ON THE DAES AND GOOD RIDDANCE.
ALL THIS IS TAKING PLACE ON OUR WATCH SOMEDAY.
OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, OUR VISITORS ARE GONNA ASK, THIS USED TO BE A CHARMING DOWNTOWN.
WHAT HAPPENED? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS DEMISE? AND ONCE THESE BILLBOARDS ARE INSTALLED, THEY MAY NEVER COME DOWN THAT TROJAN HORSES MAY BE GRANDFATHERED.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WHO AGREES TO SACRIFICE THEIR FACADE TO A BILLBOARD SHOULD APPEAR ON A PUBLIC LIST.
SO WE CAN ALL SEE WHO IS DECREASING THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL AS THAT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN.
THE 75% OF RESPONDERS WHO EXPRESS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THE ISSUE IN THE CITY'S OWN ONLINE SURVEY DESERVE ANSWERS AS DO THE NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PREFER TO PRESERVE THEIR BUILDING FACADES.
AND CERTAINLY THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS ANSWERS AS THEY WATCH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MATTERED.
WITH GLARING BLINKING ADVERTISING, WE ALL DESERVE ANSWERS FOR THIS NIGHTMARE WAS PREVENTABLE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
UM, AND NOW IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE SCREEN, UM, WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 11.UM, ITEM SEVEN, JUST A NOTE HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS, BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW IN PERSON SIGNUPS FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT'LL CALL NOW VERSUS ALICIA GARLOCK.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT
UM, YEAH, IF WE'LL HAVE A MEMBER OF STAFF COME GET THOSE FROM YOU.
'CAUSE WE ASSUMED IT WAS THREE MINUTES, LIKE ALWAYS, BUT YOU CAN, IT'LL JUST RUN.
FIRST OF ALL, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY DOES NOT REPRESENT THE, EXCUSE ME, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? SORRY.
ALICIA GARLOCK, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY DOES NOT, UM, REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE CITY STAKEHOLDERS COMMITTEE DO NOT ALSO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
UM, BRACKRIDGE IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
IT IS IN DISREPAIR, UH, NEGLECTED, NOT MAINTAINED.
AND THERE'S PICTURES UP THERE AND THEY WANNA DO A, UM, PLAY SCAPE, A WATER FEATURE SPLASH PAD.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT PEOPLE WERE IN THAT SPACE WHERE THEY'RE AT MAINLY ADULTS.
SO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT ALL CHILDREN.
SO YOU WANNA PUT THIS SPLASH PAD FIRST OFF, WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE SPLASH PAD? ACCORDING TO THE EPA, OR SORRY, CDC STATE REGULATIONS COVER THE SPLASH PAD.
IT HAS TO BE, UH, DISINFECTED DAILY.
THE RESERVOIR THAT IS UNDERGROUND, THAT HOLDS WATER.
IT HAS TO BE TESTED EVERY DAY, EVERY TWO TO FOUR HOURS WHILE IT'S OPEN.
AND IT'S ABOUT UP TO $30,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN A SPLASH PAD.
WE KNOW SAN ANTONIO IS A HEAT ISLAND AND, UM, THERE'S BEEN CASES OF CHILDREN DYING FROM RAINY AMOEBA FROM A SPLASH PAD.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, IT'S ON THE VIDEO IF HE WANTS TO SHARE IT WITH YOU AT A, FOR LATER
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VIEWING.SO YOU WANNA MAKE A SPLASH PAD IN A CITY THAT'S A HEAT ISLAND AND WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE CHRIS MATRE AT ONE MEETING SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ULTRAVIOLET LIGHTS.
IT HAS TO BE DISINFECTED DAILY.
IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED, MONITORED EVERY TWO TO FOUR HOURS.
SO I HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE WELLBEING OF OUR CHILDREN THAT THERE, THAT THING IS NOT GONNA BE MAINTAINED.
UM, SHE WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES.
CAROL PATTERSON IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELDED HER TIME.
CAROL, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? I'D LIKE TO RE UM, GIVE THE TWO MINUTES TO CAROL BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN PREPARING SOMETHING TO SAY IN THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING, SO, OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO REVEAL THE TWO MINUTES THAT SHE'S GIVEN ME.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO TAKE MY TWO MINUTES.
MY NAME IS ELLEN PATTERSON AND I'M, I AM A PRACTICING ATTORNEY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
I'VE BEEN GOING TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES EVER SINCE I WAS A CHILD.
ONE OF THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE PARK THAT DRAWS ME AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO THIS NATURAL AREA ARE THE LARGE SHADE BEARING HERITAGE TREES THAT LINE THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER.
ANOTHER IS THE GREAT VARIETY OF FRIENDLY AND PLEASANT WATER FOWL, THE BIRDS, THE DUCKS, THE GEESE THAT NEST NEAR THE RIVER, WHICH PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO ANYONE INTERESTED IN ORNITHOLOGY.
AND A FREE ZERO COST OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH AND INTERACT WITH THE BIRDS.
WE CAN FEED THE BIRDS, UM, NUTS AND GRAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A FUN EXPERIENCE FOR CHILDREN TOO.
I HAVE SEEN THE SCHEMATIC OF THE PROPOSED PLAY SCAPE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
THE PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN ROOTS BEING CUT OF HERITAGE TREES FOR THE FOUNDATION OF THE SIDEWALK AND OTHER FEATURES OF THE PLAY SCAPE.
THIS WOULD WEAKEN THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND RENDER THEM VULNERABLE TO DECAY AND PESTS.
OTHER TREES WOULD BE, WOULD BE SLATED TO BE CUT DOWN COMPLETELY.
IF I AM VIEWING THE MODEL CORRECTLY.
WHY DON'T WE DEVISE A PROJECT THAT STRENGTHENS THESE TREES AND IN DOING SO, TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE VALUE OF THESE MIGHTY SHADE TREES, THEIR BENEFICIAL PRESENCE IN OUR PARKS AND THEIR INTERESTING BIOLOGICAL FEATURES.
THE TREES ARE THUS AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL WALKS OF LIFE JUST WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED.
I SUGGEST THAT THE CITY OR THE CONSERVANCY HIRE AN ARBORIST THAT WOULD TEND TO THE TREES' ROOTS BY MULCHING THE SOIL AROUND THEIR ROOTS TO STRENGTHEN THE TREE'S ROOT SYSTEMS, WHICH WOULD PRODUCE A HARDIER HEALTHIER SET OF TREES.
THAT WAY OUR CITY'S RESIDENTS AND GUESTS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME COULD ENJOY THE COOL SHADE AND NATURAL LANDSCAPE NEAR THE RIVER, NEAR THE RIVER BANKS OF THIS SECTION OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER.
IN ADDITION, BY ASSISTING THE ROOT AND VASCULAR SYSTEM OF THE TREES, WE COULD AID IN HOLDING THE SOIL OF THE RIVER BANKS IN PLACE, PREVENTING EROSION AND DANGEROUS RUNOFF FOR DOWNSTREAM.
SO RATHER THAN KILLING OR WEAKENING THESE NATURAL SOURCES OF SHADE AND EROSION PROTECTION IN ORDER TO BUILD SOMETHING ARTIFICIAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPENSE AND MAINTENANCE AND HAS LIMITED USEFULNESS, WE CAN PRESERVE OUR TREES.
THE TWO OTHER THINGS I WAS GOING TO SAY, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND MY TIME IS UP, BUT INSTEAD OF HIRING PEOPLE, PEOPLE TO, UM, SET OFF FIREWORKS TO UM, SEND THE BIRDS AWAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST CLEAN THE SIDEWALKS AND TWICE A WEEK? AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, UM, WHY DON'T WE MAINTAIN THE WALLS OF THE WPA, THE HISTORIC WPA WALLS THAT ARE UP THERE, THE STONE WALLS.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO SINCE 1970.
AND UM, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MIGRATORY FLYWAYS.
UM, MIGRATING BIRDS USE FOUR MAJOR FLYWAYS IN THE UNITED STATES IN SAN ANTONIO.
THE CENTRAL FLYWAY IS USED BY APPROXIMATELY 400 SPECIES OF BIRDS, INCLUDING THE WHOOPING CRANE FROM THEIR BREEDING GROUND IN NORTH, UH, NORTHERN ALBERTA TO THE TEXAS COAST.
THE CENTRAL FLYWAY IS CRUCIAL TO THEIR SUPPORT AS THEY DEPEND ON IT FOR, FOR SPECIFIC HABITATS ALONG THE WAY FOR RESTING, FEEDING AND WATER.
EGRETS AND COMARTS HAVE ALSO DIS DEMONSTRATED THEIR DEPENDENCY ON THIS AREA OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK.
THEY CONTINUE TO RETURN IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CHASED AWAY ALMOST DAILY WITH PEOPLE CLAPPING BLOCKS TOGETHER AND SETTING OFF FIREWORKS.
ASK THEM, UM, THEY HAVE LESS AND LESS PLACE TO GO IF IN 19 74, 10 HAD FOUR
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LANES, NOW IT HAS 10 IN MANY PLACES.UM, I OPPOSE THE PROJECT AND I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF THE AREAS, AREAS IN THE CITY THAT CAN BE USED FOR CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND THAT WOULD NOT DESTROY THIS CRUCIAL HABITAT.
AND OUR LAST SPEAKER IS IDA AYALA.
I LIVE 5 9 2 2 PEARL PASS DISTRICT TWO.
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING THAT THE IDEA OF A NATURAL PLACE SCAPE IS GREAT FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING HAPPENING TO CREATE THIS NATURAL PLAY SCAPE THAT CITIZEN CITIZENS, UM, OF SAN ANTONIO HAVE BEEN PLAYING IN FOR GENERATIONS.
I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BRACKENRIDGE PARK DID NOT FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL THAT WAS EXPLAINED DURING PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING THE RECONCILED PLANS FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK.
THE PLAY GATE PROJECT IS TAGGED AS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WENT THROUGH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, YET THEY MISSED THE FIRST STEP INFORMING THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO CONTRACTING THE DEAL AT THE RECONCILING PLAN.
PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE WERE TOLD BY JAY LOUDON, PART OF THE RECONCILIATION TEAM.
RECONCILIATION TEAM, AUTHOR OF THE MASTER PLAN, AND A FOUNDER OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY.
HE SAID, WHEN WE HAVE AN IDEA, WE WILL BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC FIRST.
IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
YET AT THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST OF 2024, THERE WERE ALREADY STORYBOARDS OF DESIGNS AND CONTRACTORS HIRED FOR THE PROJECT.
THE SECOND ISSUE IS WHETHER ANYONE FROM THIS PROJECT SPOKE TO THE EASTER CAMPERS TO GET THEIR INPUT OR TO ALL THE OTHERS WHO SPENT TIME AT THE PARK.
I DID VERY, UH, MANY MIXED FEELINGS.
SOME OF COURSE LIKED THE IDEA, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA LOSE THEIR SPACE.
AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS AND MISSING PIECES.
UNFUNDED STRUCTURES SUCH AS RESTROOMS AND WALKWAYS, A DRIVEWAY TO THE AREA.
CHILDREN WOULD HAVE TO WALK ACROSS A LARGE FIELD TO GET THERE.
PLANS SHOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH THE TEAMS ON THE SOFTBALL FIELD EITHER, WHO I ALSO SPOKE TO AND WHO ARE COUNTING ON STILL HAVING THEIR GAMES ON THAT FIELD.
WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER, WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE PLAYGROUND AND BUILD A BETTER ONE.
OR THERE'S ANOTHER PARK TO GO TO ACROSS THE STREET.
AS SO MANY FAMILIES HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR EVERYONE IS THE TREES.
AT THE DECEMBER, 2024 MEETING, I ASKED WHETHER ANY TREES WOULD BE REMOVED.
ROB, I DON'T KNOW WHO HE WAS, SAID NO MAJOR TREES WILL BE TAKEN DOWN, JUST SAPLINGS.
SOMEONE ELSE SAID THEY WERE GONNA USE THE TREES.
THEY TEAR DOWN FROM PHASE ONE AND TWO, UM, TO BUILD THE A PLAY SCAPE.
I ALSO ASKED CHRIS MATRI, CEO OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY.
SO PLEASE, MR. MATRI, DON'T FORGET WHAT YOU PROMISED AT THOSE MARBLE MEETINGS.
NOT A SINGLE LARGE HERITAGE OR SIGNIFICANT TREE WOULD BE CUT.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY OUR LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER ON ITEMS ON CONSENT.
SO AT THIS TIME YOU CAN TAKE UP THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES, I WOULD.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO POLL AND, UH, THERE'S PLENTY FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, NUMBER ONE, ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO, ITEM EIGHT, ITEM NINE, 10, AND 11.
ANY OTHERS? OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA ITEMS BE APPROVED.
UH, JUST CONFIRM THAT'S 3, 4, 5, AND SIX SECOND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 34 WEST WOODLAWN, 1 23 FUR 1 0 7 MAGNOLIA AND 3 0 5 DORA, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF OR YOUR CASE MANAGER.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU
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WITHIN 10 DAYS.UH, COMMISSIONERS NEXT WILL PULL UP, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE AND I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM ITEM NUMBER ONE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER IS LEAVING THE ROOM.
UM, AS SO COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE DSD STAFF THAT CAN SPEAK TO THE STREET NAME, NAME CHANGE, APPLICATION AND PROCESS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OMAR GONZALEZ WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET NAME CHANGE.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NAME CHANGE.
I'M WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS.
I'LL ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS ALSO YEAH, GO FOR IT.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THE PORTION, THE SEGMENT OF MATAGORDA STREET THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING A RENAME FOR.
UM, UH, THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STREET PREVIOUS TO CHAVEZ AND DURANGO BEING PUT IN PLACE THAT MADAM MORRISS OR MATAGORDA STREET ALSO WENT NORTHWARD INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS NOW HEMISPHERE PLAZA.
IS THAT TRUE? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR YES.
SO IT, AS EARLY AS 1873 EXTENDED TO THAT AREA.
SO WHAT WAS THEN LAFITTE STREET.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, IT IS A REMNANT OF AN, AN EARLIER, UM, BYWAY PASS, UM, ROADWAY.
UM, DID YOU, UM, DID YOU ALL LOOK AT POSSIBLY NAMING IT OR IDENTIFYING THAT SEGMENT OF THE STREET IN A WAY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST WITH OTHER CASES AND THAT THEY ARE, THEY MAINTAIN THE STREET NAME, BUT THEY HAVE A WAY OR SOME OTHER DESIGNATION ATTACHED TO THEM? SO WHEN CONSIDERING THESE STREET NAME CHANGES, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ROLE IN THIS IS TO TAKE THE APPLICATION FROM EITHER CITY COUNCIL OR AN APPLICANT AND THEN PROCESS IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EDC.
SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY PICK THE NAME.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT COMES UP WITH.
SO IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S TIED TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE PICTURE OF THEIR EXHIBIT.
SO LOOKING AT THIS MAP HERE, THE, WHERE IT SHOWS THE EXISTING BUILDING, THERE'S A, THIS IS TIED TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING THERE.
SO THE, THE PORTION OF MATAGORDA SHOWED IN RED IS BEING CLOSED ESSENTIALLY TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE, THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS BEING VACATED.
UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO, TO RENAME THAT EXISTING PORTION.
SO IN TERMS OF SELECTING THE NAME, I'D BE HAPPY TO LET, I'M NOT SURE IF THE YEAH.
THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO WHY THEY SELECTED THAT.
I KNOW IT, IT'S TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UM, GO FOR IT.
HI, HOW ARE Y'ALL COMMISSIONERS? UH, OMAR GONZALEZ WITH OXBOW DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE, UH, BEEN HERE BEFORE ON THE, ON THE CONCEPT.
AND SO THE, THE CONCEPT IS CALLED SOUTHTOWN ALDE.
ALDE IS A LESSER USED SPANISH WORD FOR VILLAGE.
AND UM, AND IT KIND OF REMINDED ME THAT, UM, VITA STREET, WHICH WAS NOT VITA STREET WHEN IT EXISTED, BUT NOW, UH, IS VITA STREET, IS, IS ALSO A WAY TO SORT OF, UH, BRAND ONCE YOU'RE KIND OF WALKING INTO, UM, INTO A BRANDED SPACE.
UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN FIND IT IN SEVERAL PLACES IN THE CITY LIKE PEARL PARKWAY, UM, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, AND SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT BECAUSE THIS JUST REMAINS A SEGMENT, UH, IT IS NOT THE FULL STREET.
SO MATAGORDA STREET WILL CONTINUE TO RUN SOUTH OF LAVACCA STREET.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE PURCHASING THAT PORTION, YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED STRIPES, UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RENAME THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'LL BE A PRIVATE DRIVE.
SO IT'D BE WEIRD TO HAVE A NAME, A NAME CHANGE, AND THEN ANOTHER NAME.
UH, AND SO I THOUGHT FOR CONTINUITY AND FOR WAYFINDING, IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE, UM, TO, UH, NAME THAT PORTION OF MATAGORDA STREET FROM CAESAR CHAVEZ TO LAVACCA STREET, THE SAME NAME.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS JUST MY QUESTION WAS THAT, SO THIS IS TO WAY FIND FROM CAESAR TRAVIS AND THERE WILL NOT BE A DRIVE THROUGH TO LAVACCA, BASICALLY.
CORRECT? IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE DEAD-ENDED.
SO MARTA GODA ORIGINAL MARTA GORDER STREET WILL ALSO DEAD END AT LAVACCA ON THE SOUTH PART OF IT, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED
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MOTIONS MADE.IS THERE
ANY CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? I, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMISSIONER RECORD ON THE RECORD.
IT, IT'S A, IT'S QUITE A SMALL SEGMENT OF ROAD, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TRADE OFF, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S REALLY A SIGNIFICANT TRADE OFF THAT THE MATAGORDA IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF, OF THE CONTINUITY OF MEMORY IN THE AREA.
THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HISTORY LOST IN THAT AREA ALREADY WITH THE HEMISPHERE, EVEN GOING BACK TO 1960 OR 68, OR, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME QUALIFYING, UH, THE SEGMENT OF THAT, OF THAT ROAD.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT LIKE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN PRESA, I THINK IT IS, OR ONE OF THOSE STREETS WHERE THERE'S A TRAIN TRACK AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS THEY CUT THE ROAD, BUT IT'S THE SAME NAME ON BOTH SIDES.
JUST LIKE ALAMO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE NAMES, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A BREAK IN THE ROAD, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE THAT, THAT THAT MATAGORDA IS ACTUALLY A, UM, AN ASSET.
SO, SO WHILE I, I RESPECT THE MAKER OF THE MOTIONS OPINION, UM, UH, MY OPINION, UH, OR AT LEAST WHAT I, WHAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING IS MORE THE CONTINUITY OF MATAGORDA AND, AND NOT NEGATING THE POTENTIAL, UH, OF THAT ASSET TO ADD, TO CONTINUE TO ADD VALUE, IN WHICH CASE IT BECOMES A SEGMENTED STREET NOW.
AND, UM, THE BIGGER QUESTION IS GONNA BE, HEY, HOW COME THEY CHANGED THE NAME AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S MATAGORDA AND WHY DOES IT END HERE? SO, UH, TO, TO ME, TO ME, I, I LEAN MORE OVER TOWARD THE, JUST WANT THE RECORD TO RECORD THAT I UNDERSTAND.
I LEAN CLOSER TO THE MAINTENANCE OF MATAGORDA.
ANY, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A COMMENT.
WELL, AND AND I, TO THAT POINT, RIGHT, THE CONTINUITY, THE CONTINUITY OF THE STREET MATAGORDA IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND BECAUSE OF THAT DISRUPTION, I WANNA SAY, BECAUSE A PORTION OF IT WILL ACTUALLY STOP EXISTING.
THAT'S WHY I THINK, UM, THAT IT'S REASONABLE REQUEST.
I THINK IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH WHAT, I MEAN THE WHOLE, IT'S NOT THE WHOLE STREET, RIGHT? IT IS REALLY A SECTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SUPPORTING THE MOTION COMMISSIONER ANTES.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
I, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, VASQUEZ HERE THAT, UM, KIND OF NAMING SOMETHING AFTER THE PROJECT ITSELF'S A LITTLE RICH, AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY OF THE STREET AND THE WAY IT IS AND LOSE LESS HISTORICAL VALUE TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY.
IT'S LOST ENOUGH ALREADY? I THINK SO.
CAN I MAKE A, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE A VOTE OF COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? JUST COMMENT.
JUST IT, MY THOUGHT PROCESS HERE IS THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET OF STREET THAT IS SORT OF CUT OFF TO EVERYTHING AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
SO IT, UM, I, I RESPECT THE, THE NOTION OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIGHTLY TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT IT SEEMS SIMPLER AND, AND LESS CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ACTUALLY, THAT BRINGS UP A ANOTHER QUESTION.
LIKE ACTUALLY YEAH, LIKE GOOGLE.
SO YOU WANNA, YOU GO, IF WE KEEP IT MATAGORDA AND THEN YOU DO AL D IN THE MIDDLE, THEN PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT THEY CAN DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE SAME NAME.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A ROLL VOTE.
UM, FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE THAT CONTINUITY, OR AT LEAST THAT, THAT REMNANT OF THE NAME, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE MOTION, BUT PERHAPS AS A DESIGN TEAM, YOU COULD LOOK AT A WAY IN YOUR LANDSCAPING, IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, A WAY TO IDENTIFY THE NEW, A NEW NAME SHOULD THIS PASS, BUT ALSO DEMARCATED ALSO AS MATAGORDA FOR A HISTORIC PURPOSE.
I KNOW FROM NAVIGATION SENSE, I WOULD BE BE REALLY DISAPPOINTED TO GO DOWN CHAVEZ THINKING I COULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN MATAGORDA AND END UP IN A DEAD END.
SO I CAN SEE YOU FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT WHERE IT WOULD BE A CONUNDRUM, BUT PERHAPS YOU COULD WORK WITH YOUR DESIGN TEAM, FIND A WAY TO COMMEMORATE THAT CONTINUITY THAT WE'RE LOSING BIT BY BIT BY
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BIT IN THAT HEMISPHERE AREA.YEAH, I I'D BE HAPPY TO COME COMMEMORATE THAT NAME.
I, I MEAN, I, I I, I FOUND THE HISTORY OF THE STREET INTERESTING BECAUSE PRIOR TO, WHAT IS IT, 1873, IT, IT HAD A DIFFERENT NAME AND SO IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT THE HISTORY OF THAT NECESSARILY, OF THAT STREET.
I THINK MATAGORDA IS OUR REPRESENTATION OF CONTINUE SOUTH AND EVENTUALLY YOU GET TO THE MATAGORDA BAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND OBVIOUSLY MATAGORDA STREET DEAD ENDS LATER ON.
UM, BUT I, I SHARE WITH YOU THE IDEA THAT WE CAN STILL CELEBRATE THE HISTORY.
I, I THINK TO ME, BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE STREET IN BETWEEN THE PUBLIC STREET, THEN THAT, THAT'S JUST GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF CONFUSION.
IF MATAGORDA THEN ALDE, THEN MATAGORDA AGAIN.
UM, BUT YES, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, WE'D BE HAPPY TO FIND A WAY TO, UM, TO SHOW IN THE LANDSCAPING FEATURE THAT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE OLD MATAGORDA STREAM.
COMMISSIONER, I'LL ANOTHER MORE COMFORTABLE.
IF I ADDED A STIPULATION TO HONOR THE MAR GODA, UH, LIKE AS A STIPULATION AND NOT ONLY RECOMMENDATION, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I I CAN WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
WE NEED A NEW MOTION, CORRECT.
ANYBODY? NOW MY QUESTION IF I DO THAT WILL, IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME MOTION.
IF IT HAS A STIPULATION, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION STIPULATION.
I'LL DO A MOTION THEN IT'S MOTION TO APPROVE A STAFF STIPULATION AND THEN ADD A STIPULATION THAT, UM, TO GIVE HONOR TO THE HISTORIC NAME OF MATAGORDA STREET ALONG THE WAY.
SORRY, THE WAY, THE PART THAT IS BEING RENAMED SECOND COMMISSIONER.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGN IT FOR YOU ANYTHING, BUT PUTTING IN A STIPULATION, UM, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE STILTS AND ALL THAT.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE EVEN DID IT AT THE PRO, UM, HONORING THE OLD NAME.
I REMEMBER PRO PARKWAY OR LATA.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU COMMISSIONER IF THAT'S ENOUGH, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
WELL, IS YOUR INTENTION TO, UM, REQUIRE THAT, THAT A PERCE THAT DEVICE ON PUBLIC LAND OR PRIVATE LAND BECAUSE WE HAVE A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? WELL, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PRIVY WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON THAT, SO I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN.
BUT I THINK WHAT I SAID WITH THE STIPULATION IS THE PART THAT IS BEING RENAMED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL VOTE.
SO WE WILL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER TWO NOW, AND COMMISSIONER FESTER IS REENTERING THE ROOM.
UM, SO WITH US WE HAVE CHRIS MATRI, UM, CEO OF THE BRACKEN NEWS PARK CONSERVANCY, AND THEN VIRTUALLY I HAVE MICHAEL COLLEEN, UH, WHO IS THE DESIGN ARCHITECT, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M CHRIS MATRI, I'M WITH BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY.
I'M THE CEO OF THAT ORGANIZATION.
THE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THE CASE IS CAN YOU TALK ABOUT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN THE, UM, OLDER TREES, THE LARGER TREES, THE HERITAGE TREES, THE HERITAGE TREES THAT THE PUBLIC IS COMMENTING ON.
AND SO TO OUR, TO YOUR TREE REMOVAL PLAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR TIER ONE TREES, TIER TWO TREES, AND THEN, UM, THE TREES TO BE TRANSPLANTED OR RELOCATED? ABSOLUTELY.
LET ME ADDRESS TO THE TREES THAT ARE BEING, TO THE, AND SPECIFIC TO THE DEPTH OF INTRUSIVE ACTIONS AND
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DIGGING AND EXCAVATING AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE ROOT, THE ROOT FALL OR THE ROOT EXTENSION.YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TO THAT DETAIL OF AN EXTENT, BUT WE HAVE HIRED SCOTT ANDERSON WITH URBAN TREE COMPANY.
UH, AND SCOTT IS OBVIOUSLY RENOWNED SAN ANTONIO, UH, ARBORIST, WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH SA ARBORETUM AND OTHERS.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE TREES THAT WE ARE TRANSPLANTING, WE ARE RELOCATING NINE WITHIN THE SITE BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT IN AN IRRIGATION AREA WITHIN THAT TWO ACRE SITE THAT IS BOUND BY THOSE SIDEWALKS.
WE ARE RELOCATING 11 OTHERS WITHIN THE PARK AS WELL.
WE ARE NOT REMOVING ANY, WE ARE RELOCATING 20 TREES AND TO THE TIER ONE, TIER TWO PROTECTION.
I'LL PROBABLY DEFER TO MICHAEL, COLLEEN OR MATTHEW FROM SURE.
COREY? UH, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU MICHAEL.
MICHAEL, COLLEEN, YOU KNOW, ON THAT FROM THE DESIGN TEAM AND YEAH, WE, LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, WE HAVE HAD, UH, URBAN TREE COMPANY ON THE TEAM AS AN ARBORIST DOING AN EVALUATION OF THE EXISTING HERITAGE TREES.
AND THEY ARE ACTING AS A RESOURCE FOR US AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE WORK AROUND THESE EXISTING TREES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY WAY.
UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE TWO DIFFERENT TIERS OF TREE PROTECTION RELATE TO INITIAL CONSTRUCTION AND THE LARGEST EXTENT OF PRESERVATION, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE MAGENTA LINES OR THE TIER ONE, THE TIER TWO, IS SHOWING THE AREAS OF PROTECTION THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN AROUND THOSE TREES.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL BE GETTING FROM THE ARBORIST IS MEANS AND METHODS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE TREES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND THERE ARE EXISTING RE ZONES, UM, THERE ARE, WHERE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE DEEPER EXCAVATIONS NEED TO HAPPEN, THEY WILL HELP ADVISE US ON, UH, METHODS FOR DOING ROOT PRUNING THAT STILL MAINTAINS, UH, THE HEALTH OF THE TREES FURTHER.
ONE FURTHER QUESTION AND THEN I'LL, UM, DEFER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION WORK OUTSIDE THE ZONE, IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE THE ZONE OF THE TIER ONE, HOW DEEP ARE YOU PLANNING TO EXCAVATE OUTSIDE OF THE TIER? ONE IS MOSTLY SIDEWALK AREAS, SO LESS THAN 12 INCHES.
AND THERE ARE A FEW LOCATIONS WHERE THE WATER FEATURE IS LOCATED.
WE HAVE, UM, ATIONS UP TO 18 OR 24 INCHES.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE DRAINAGE IN THE, FOR THE DRAINAGE OF THE SITE? CORRECT? YES.
OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS QUESTION? YES.
THERE, THERE'S, UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY A SEVERE, UM, REDUCTION IN CAMPING AREA.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE? WHAT HAVE Y'ALL DONE TO DETERMINE, UH, HOW YOU MITIGATE THAT CAMPING ENVIRONMENT? UM, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF IT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAVING TO RELOCATE, UM, SURE.
I MEAN, DID Y'ALL LOOK INTO THAT AT ALL? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PICNIC NODES SPECIFICALLY? THE, WELL, THE, THE, THE WHOLE NATURE OF THE WAY THAT PEOPLE USE THE AREA IS CHANGING, RIGHT? YEAH.
PARTICULARLY THE BASEBALL PEOPLE, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL CAMP AND THEN THEY'LL GO, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR NAMES TO, RIGHT, SORRY.
UH, WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE SOFTBALL FIELD IN TERMS OF PLAYABILITY, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO RIGHT.
BUT, BUT, BUT THEY'RE HOLIDAY CAMPING WHEN THEY, THEY CAMP AND THEY HAVE GAMES.
UH, THIS REDUCES THAT ACTIVITY SEVERELY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE SMALLER SIDE OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK.
WE ARE, THERE ARE NINE PICNIC NODES WITHIN THAT SITE, AND WE ARE REPLACING ALL NINE OF THOSE PICNIC NODES INSIDE AND ADJACENT TO THE NATURE PLAY
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SCAPE.SO IT'LL NOT BE A LOSS OR REDUCTION IN PICNIC NODES.
THERE WILL BE MORE PLAY AVAILABLE FOR ALL THE CHILDREN THAT COME TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK ON THOSE EASTER WEEKEND, THAT EASTER WEEKEND, AS WELL AS EVERY WEEKEND THAT THEY COME.
RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY PLAY AREA NEAR THAT SITE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR FOUR YEARS.
SO WE'RE NOT ONLY ADDING A NATURE INSPIRED PLAYGROUND THAT'S BUILT OUT OF RECLAIMED TEXAS SPECIES AND WOOD.
THESE THINGS ARE CREATED AND CARVED WITH NATURAL WOOD.
SO WE'RE ENHANCING THE AREA IN THAT RESPECT.
AND WE'RE GIVING KIDS FROM THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, WE'VE SEEN THE VISITATION LOGS AND THE PLACE OR AI DATA.
WE KNOW PEOPLE FROM THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO K TO BRACKEN RIDGE PARK TO RECREATE, AND THIS IS A DESTINATION PLAY AREA FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
I STILL HAVE, UH, ONE OR TWO MORE.
THE, UH, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCATION OF THE BRIDGE, I'M NOTING THAT, THAT THE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT THAT IS BEING USED WITH THE BULLET POINTS ONE THROUGH 11, I'M NOTICING THAT IN THAT AREA, THE, THE, THE BRIDGE IS NOT MENTIONED.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, PENDING RIVER AUTHORITY, UH, I GUESS EXCEPT RIVER AUTHORITY AGREEMENT.
BUT OF COURSE THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, PLACES THAT A BRIDGE COULD GO.
UH, ARE Y'ALL MAKING A COMMITMENT TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE BRIDGE IN THIS UH, PROPOSAL? WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THE EXISTING BRIDGE LOCATION MINIMIZES THE ROOT IMPACT OR THE OVERHEAD TREE CANOPY IMPACT.
AND RIGHT NOW THE BRIDGE IS AN AD ALTERNATE, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED.
WELL SEE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M, ONE OF THE REAL IMPORTANT ITEMS HERE IS THAT, LIKE, FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, THE LOCATION OF THE BRIDGE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE THE BRIDGE COULD GO ON THE OTHER SIDE, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD GIVE ACCESS TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ACTIVELY FUNDRAISING FOR IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE.
WE DO BELIEVE WE'LL BE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT COMMITMENT TO THE BRIDGE.
'CAUSE IT DOES LINK UP TO THE 400 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THE GARAGE ALONG AVENUE B THAT ARE A STONE'S THROW FROM THAT EDGE OF THAT PERIMETER.
WELL, ARE, ARE Y'ALL WILLING TO COME BACK ONCE YOU HAVE THE BRIDGE COMMITMENT? I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT TALKING TO YOU TODAY AND PRESENTING THIS TO THE COMMISSION, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FUND THAT BRIDGE, NOT, NOT FUND THE BRIDGE, BUT WHERE THE BRIDGE WOULD BE EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE INDICATING YES, HAPPY TO.
IF IT'S NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
IT, IT'S, IT'S SHOWN IN THE DRAWING AS BRIDGE, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWN AS A COMMITMENT.
AND, AND, AND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN IT GETS TO THE LANGUAGE OF, UH, PENDING APPROVAL FROM THE RIVER AUTHORITY, THEN PERHAPS RIVER AUTHORITY SAYS WE'LL APPROVE A BRIDGE, BUT WE'LL APPROVE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HE CAN ADD TO IF WE HAVE GOT THE COMMITMENT FROM THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY.
WELL, AND I'LL JUST ADD THE, THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE IS IN THE PACKAGE.
AND SO IT, IT'S ON THE PACKAGE.
CORY, THE, THE ONLY THING IS THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT A COMMITMENT BECAUSE IF THE RIVER AUTHORITY DOESN'T IN, DOESN'T ALLOW THE BRIDGE TO GO WHERE IT'S SHOWN, THEN THE BRIDGE COULD GO IN A PLACE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGE IS SHOWN.
IT'S ACCESS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE PARK HAVING ACCESS ON EASTER.
I GUARANTEE YOU THE MAJORITY OF THAT PUBLIC IS GONNA BE COMING FROM THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.
SO IT, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL UNLESS EVERYBODY THAT GOES TO THIS LITTLE PARK IS GONNA GET THERE THROUGH THE BASEBALL FIELD.
AND IF THERE'S A BASEBALL GAME GOING ON, THEN IT SEEMS THAT, UH, ALL THINGS BEING FAIR, IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SERVING THE COMMUNITY, THEN ACCESS IS KEY.
AND THAT ACCESS HAS TO BE WHERE THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE CRUISERS, THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, TRADITIONALLY PICNIC THAT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE PRIORITY TO ACCESS TO THIS SPLASH PAD.
I MAYBE MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
WHERE, WHERE THE BRIDGE IS PLACED, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER GROUP, SO THEY HAVE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT IT AND WE HAVE HAD THEM WORKED WITH THEM ON IDEAL PLACEMENT FROM MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER ASPECTS RELATED TO THE RIVER FLOW.
SO, SO THEN IT'S, UH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE SPLASH PAD AND WATER FEATURE, UH, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR MAINTENANCE MONITORING TREATMENT? UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE, UH, WE'RE IN DROUGHT WHERE YOU CAN'T RUN WATER? UM, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE ALL THOSE? YEAH, SO I'LL TAKE MY BEST AND KIND OF COVER ALL THAT.
SO FIRST OFF, UH, PARKS AND RACK IS GONNA BE MAINTAINING THIS.
WE'VE EMBEDDED THEIR TEAM AND THIS PROJECT
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TO DATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR TEAM IS CAPABLE OF SWAPPING OUT PUMPS AND MOTORS AND HEAVY ENGINEERING AND UNDERSTAND THE CHLORINATION SYSTEM.WE ARE GONNA BE REMOTELY MONITORING THE CHLORINATION SYSTEM.
WE'VE GOT A COMMITMENT FROM THEIR EXISTING, UH, AQUATIC TEAM TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS.
UH, WE DO BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE A REALLY ROBUST CHLORINATION AND SANITIZATION SYSTEM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS BETA LOAD.
AND IF IT IS TIME TO SHUT DOWN WATER FEATURE PLAY, WE WILL DO SO ACCORDINGLY AS WELL.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, JUST RELATING TO THE COMMENT ON THE BRIDGE, UM, THIS IS A DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING US TODAY.
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO LIKE, WAIT AND SEE IF YOU GET APPROVAL FROM OTHER PARTIES, LIKE EVEN ON HISTORIC HOMES, SOMETIMES VARIANTS.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THE PROJECT AS IS.
IF YOU WERE TO NOT GET APPROVAL FROM THE RIVER AUTHORITY AND HOW TO CHANGE BRIDGE PLACEMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY.
RIGHT? YOUR WHOLE PROJECT AS IT IS PRESENTED TODAY, WILL NOT BE VALID FOR PERMITTING.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY.
UM, I HATE TO WORD THE WORD USE THE WORD SPLASH PAD.
I THINK IT'S CALLED THE WATER FEATURE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED BEFORE, UH, A HEMISPHERE.
I, I, I DO WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU DID LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS ABOUT THE TREES.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THIS PARK.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM FROM MICHAEL ONLINE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET SPECIALIST.
AND ALSO ON THE PICNIC NOTES, MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE REMOVING, REPLACING OR AT LEAST ADDING MORE, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, MORE ACTIVITY IN THE PARK, MORE OPENNESS TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT EASTER THAT THE KIDS DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIVITY.
I I DO APPRECIATE THAT INTERACTION WITH THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY BEYOND THAT EASTER CAMPING WEEKEND.
I THINK THIS OPENS UP TO HAVING ACTUALLY AN ABILITY AS A PUBLIC TO INTERACT MORE WITH THE PARK, UH, IN OTHER TIMES, NOT JUST EASTER.
CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE THING? SO, SO ONE THING I FAILED TO ADDRESS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NEW CANOPY THAT'S COMING INTO THE PARK.
WE'RE INSTALLING 94 TREES WITHIN THIS EXISTING TWO ACRE SITE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST RELOCATING OR MOVING 20, WE'RE ADDING 94.
42 OF THOSE WILL BE SHADE TREES, TEXAS SPECIES THAT WILL GROW TALL, THAT WILL PROVIDE SHADE IN THE STRUCTURE FOR THOSE NINE PICNIC NODES.
FOR ALL THOSE KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING IN THIS PLAYSCAPE.
WE'RE ADDING 52 ORNAMENTAL TREES.
$726,000 OF THIS PROJECT ARE GOING TOWARDS IRRIGATION, ORNAMENTAL, AND SHADE TREES.
SO WE ARE INVESTING PRIVATE MONEY CONSERVANCY TIME TO MAKE AN AMAZING SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO.
OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL POLICE.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, OH, I, I WANT TO JUST SAY I, I'M NOT READY TO, TO, UH, I GUESS A VOTE AFFIRMATIVE ON, ON THIS.
THERE QUESTIONS TO ME THAT A, A SOLID COMMITMENT ON, ON ACCESS SEEMS TO BE KEY, PARTICULARLY NOT NORMAL ACCESS, BUT EXTRA DUTY ACCESS.
UM, AND IT MAY MAYBE SOUNDS A LITTLE OLD FASHIONED AT THE SAME TIME.
A A QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WISDOM OF A, OF A SPLASH PAD WHERE THERE'S WATER FEATURE, PARTICULARLY HAVING GROWN UP IN THE AREA WHERE WE INTERACTED WITH THAT VERY EXISTING WATER FEATURE THAT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, UM, USABLE.
WHICH, WHICH IS A WEIRD THING TO, TO HAVE TO SAY.
SO THE CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR USE OF, OBVIOUSLY A KID'S GONNA WANNA PLAY ON ANYTHING THAT, THAT IS APPEARING TO BE FUN, BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE THE RIVER AS IT IS, SHOULD THE RIVER BE CLEAN.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT QUITE GETS TO, TO WHERE, UH, IT ENHANCES ONE OF THE PRECIOUS, UH, NATURE PLACES THAT IT SEEMS THAT THE GREAT AMENITY OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK IS WHAT IT IS UNLESS WE LOOK AT IT AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADEQUATE ANYMORE.
AND I, I, AS OF YET, I I DON'T HAVE THE EYE TO SEE THAT BRECKENRIDGE PARK IS JUST NOT ADEQUATE ANYMORE OUTSIDE OF THE IMMENSE AREAS THAT ARE FENCED AND THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT TAKEN
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CARE OF AS THEY ARE.I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS COULDN'T, UH, BE A, A A A POTENTIAL AMENITY, BUT AS I SEE IT, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TO, TO DRAW FROM THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN, UH, FOR THIS.
LIKE, I SEE THAT THERE WAS THREE MEETINGS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE HOW MANY FOLKS CAME TO THOSE MEETINGS? UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAME OUT OF THEM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE HOW'D YOU GET DEEP COMMUNITY FEEDBACK? SURE.
I'LL TOUCH ON IT IN THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
THE THREE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WE HAD, OR JUST ONE OF THREE ITEMS THAT WE DID.
FIRST WE DID THE ESSAY SPEAK UP ONLINE SURVEY, AND I THINK WE HAD OVER 200, 250, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT AMOUNT AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, BUT WE HAD OVER 250 SUBMISSIONS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT PORTAL, THROUGH THAT, UH, SURVEY SYSTEM.
THEN THOSE THREE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WHERE WE BROUGHT THE DESIGN TEAM HAIR, SHOUT TO THE PUBLIC, WE HOSTED MEETINGS AT THE Y UH, THE SIMS Y WE HOSTED IT AT THE, UH, THE DO CM.
WE HOSTED IT ONE OTHER TIME IN OUR PARK AREA.
UH, WE HAD ABOUT 50 PEOPLE AT EACH TIME.
THE FIRST ONE WAS A PROGRESSION.
WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO KIDS TO LOOK AT, OR ADULTS OR FAMILIES TO LOOK AT SO MUCH OUR DESIGN, BUT WE ASKED THEM, DO THESE THINGS INSPIRE YOU? WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO SEE? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? AND SO WE HAD THEM VOTE ON IT AND WEIGH THE ASPECTS THAT CONSIDER NATURE PLAY, RIGHT? AND SO WE HAD TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND THEN FOR MEETING NUMBER TWO, WE EVOLVED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC FOR MEETING NUMBER THREE.
WE PRESENTED ALL THOSE FINDINGS THAT WERE HELD ON MEETING NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO FOR A CONSOLIDATED PLAN THAT WE HEARD, WE LISTENED.
THE THIRD MEETING WAS AT THE ADULT LIONS CENTER, UH, RIGHT THERE, UH, ON BROADWAY.
THEN I WOULD SAY IN THE MEANTIME, WE, THE CONSERVANCY ALSO TOOK OUR PRESENTATION ON THE ROAD.
WE WENT OUT TO MC, ALISTAIR PARK, WE WENT OUT TO TWO PARKS IN THE WEST.
WE WENT OUT TO TWO PARKS IN THE SOUTH AND WE MADE SURE THAT WE GOT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.
WE WENT TO AN EVENT CALLED GRANDPARENTS SUPPORTING GRANDCHILDREN.
IT WAS HELD OUT ON THE WEST SIDE.
THE PARK'S NAME ESCAPES ME RIGHT NOW.
WE PARTNERED WITH THEM TO SET UP OUR DISPLAY TO SHOW THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE A GREAT PARK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT AN AMAZING PLAY SCAPE FEATURE COULD LOOK LIKE IN BRACKENRIDGE.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF VARIETY OF SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR, IT DID.
UM, I THINK MY, UH, CONCERN IS THE TREES AT THE, AT THE PARK.
UM, DID YOU HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE TREES LIKE, UH, THE RELOCATION? YEAH, WE CERTAINLY HEARD, I WOULDN'T SAY ABOUT THE RELOCATION BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T COME UP UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PORTION, BUT WE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TO THE, I THINK THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT ANY REMOVAL OF TREES THROUGHOUT THE PARK AS A WHOLE.
AND, UH, AS THE NEW CEO OF THE CONSERVANCY, I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS AND I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FRIENDS, UH, THAT PRESENTED AS POST HERE ABOUT, I'M LISTENING.
I HEAR THEM, I AGREE WITH THEM, BUT WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THIS NATURE PLACE, SCAPE AREA, WE'RE NOT ONLY PRESERVING WHAT'S THERE NOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE IT.
JUST DURING THE JULY 4TH FLOODS THAT IMPACTED THE HILL COMMUNITY, WE LOST TWO HERITAGE TREES.
ONE WITHIN THAT SPECIFIC SITE FOR THE PLACE SCAPE, ANOTHER ONE BY THE ADJACENT RESTROOM THAT IS NEAR THAT SOFTBALL FIELD.
AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE, UH, OF ANYTHING THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THOSE TREES LIKE WE SHOULD.
AND THAT'S THE CONSERVANCY'S COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT ACROSS ANY PROJECT THAT HAPPENS WITHIN BRACKENRIDGE PARK.
OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I, I, UM, I DO HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TREES, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SPOKEN AT TO DEATH HERE.
I'M NOT GONNA BEAT THAT UP ANYMORE.
BUT OVERALL, I DO LIKE THE PROJECT.
I WOULD BRING MY KIDS HERE, YOU KNOW, GET 'EM OFF THE SCREEN, TURN 'EM LOOSE FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS HERE AND, AND LET 'EM RUN AT IT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK, AND IT BRINGS PEOPLE IN.
AS LONG AS THAT BRIDGE GOES RIGHT WHERE YOU SAY IT'S GONNA GO, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO NAY.
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AYE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 1 0 6.
MARY'S THE APPLICANT, ASHLEY FAIRMAN IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, AN UPDATED PRESENTATION.
ASHLEY FAIRMONT WITH KILLEN GRIFFIN IN FAIRMONT.
I'M HERE WITH JACK RATTIGAN WITH CAPITAL OUTDOOR.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE JOHN POLIS ONLINE.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIGNS.
UM, SO WE WERE HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THEN WENT TO THE DRC.
AND, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED WHAT THIS SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS ABOUT 800 FEET, UM, SQUARE FEET BIG.
AND THEN AT DRC WE PRESENTED STILL THE CURVED SIGN, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER.
AND THAT WAS STILL OVER 600 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BUT WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM THE DRC, WHICH WERE ACTUALLY REALLY GREAT SUGGESTIONS.
UM, TAKEN THE SIGN, IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO 300 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND PUT IT WITHIN THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
SO, OH, YOU'RE GOING WAY TOO FAST.
UM, SO, OH, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? YEP.
SO THE SIGN WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A CURVE AROUND THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING, UM, BUT NOW IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO BE A VERTICAL SIGN AND FIT AND BE FLUSH WITH THE TWO CORNERS.
UM, CAN YOU JUST GET BACK TO THE SIDE? YEAH.
SO HERE'S THE, THE NEW PROPOSAL.
IT'S 25 FEET TALL, UM, 12 FEET WIDE, AND ABOUT 21 FEET, UH, FROM THE GROUND.
AND AGAIN, IT FITS RIGHT WITHIN THAT CORNER.
UH, THE BOTTOM WILL BE COVERED, IT WILL BE BLACK.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK UP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE HOW THE SIGN IS ACTUALLY MOUNTED.
UM, THERE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE IN THAT RENDERING, BUT I THINK THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, UH, THERE'S A BETTER JOB OF SHOWING THAT.
UH, THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS, UM, AT DRC ABOUT NIGHTTIME.
SO WE DID, UM, GET SOME, AT LEAST SOME PICTURES OF THE AREA AT NIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE IT RENDERED, UM, BUT THE SIGN WOULD GO BASICALLY IN FRONT OF, UH, THE, THE STREETLIGHT HERE, SO, AND FIT WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M SURE THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE, UM, I HAD THANK YOU FROM THE OUTSET, BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT ITS EFFECT YES.
SO THIS IS THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YOU WILL NOT BE DOING ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE'S ONLY, WE, WE'VE ONLY LOOKED AT ONE LOCATION AND IT'S THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, SO, SO THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH, WHICH BUILDING? OH, THERE WE GO.
SO IT'S AT WEST MARKET IN SOUTH FLORES.
SO WE'RE SITTING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRURY, FROM THE HOMEWOOD, HOMEWOOD SUITES MM-HMM
AND THEN THE, UM, INTERNATIONAL CENTER.
AND ARE THOSE ALL LANDMARKS STAFF? ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE LANDMARKS.
I WAS INITIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETTING RELATIVE TO THE LOCATION OF THOSE HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MODIFYING THE SIGN.
FRANKLY, I DID NOT REVIEW YOUR NEW SURE.
SIGN, SO I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT.
BUT, UM, I PULLED IT BECAUSE I HAD NOT SEEN THESE, SO YEAH.
AFTER, YOU MEAN DID DRC WEDNESDAY, SO IT TOOK A FEW DAYS TO GET THE, THE MODIFIED DESIGN TOGETHER? SURE, SURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS HAD THE ABILITY TO SEE IT ALSO, BUT, UM, I, SO THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT.
UH, I, I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL.
UM, BUT, BUT I, I DO WANNA TELL YOU, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU CLEARLY, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LISTENING TO THE CRE CREATIVE SIDE OF IT, RIGHT? UM, WW WOULD Y'ALL, ARE Y'ALL OPEN TO THE DETAILING OF HOW THE SIGN ADDRESSES THE CONNECTIONS? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, CORY, ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM INTO ONE OF THOSE? OR EDWARD, ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM INTO ONE OF THE COCA-COLA SIGNS THERE, WHICH HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S
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NOT A COMMERCIAL THING, BUT, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE CONNECTION OF THE BLACK LINE TO THE CONCRETE LINE, RIGHT? MM-HMMOR DO YOU THINK THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE REVEALS OR, UH, SPACES OF A, UH, TO ARTICULATE THE, THE, THE JOINT THAT IT'S NOT JUST A, SOMETHING FLAT CONNECTED TO THE WALL? DID YOU FOLLOW ME? I'M HAVING A SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS.
UH, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING YOU.
COULD YOU WELL LOOK LIKE, LIKE SAY, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A DETAIL HERE, IT'S CALLED A REVEAL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO, SO THAT THERE'S SOME ARTICULATION THAT THE SIGN IS NOT PART OF THE WALL.
THAT IT'S SEPARATE, BUT THAT SOMEONE CAN SEE THE THOUGHT WENT INTO HOW THIS THING IS SITTING.
IF IT WAS AN OLD BUILDING AND A NEW BUILDING, YOU WOULDN'T JUST CONNECT THEM, THEY WOULDN'T LET YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO ARTICULATE HOW THAT CONNECTION OCCURS.
AND WE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO.
UH, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD IN, WOULD THIS BE INSTALLED? IS IT FLUSH IN THE INSIDE? SORRY.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS NEED SPACE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGN.
HOW IS IT WORKING? SO THE UNDERCARRIAGE IS BLOCKING, SEEING ANYTHING, BUT THERE WILL BE A BRACKET SYSTEM AND ARMS. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
UM, IT WILL BE FLUSH ON THE SIDES AND LIKE HOW WE JUST DESCRIBED, BUT ON THE BACK IT'LL BE KIND OF SIMILAR TO HOW LIKE A TV IS MOUNTED, JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH STEEL.
AND SO IS THE ANGLE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO DO, I MEAN, WOULDN'T YOU MAYBE JUST SEPARATE A LITTLE BIT OUT? IT WOULD LOOK FLUSH, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM FAR, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A SEPARATE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK, IT'S GOING TO LOOK FLUSH.
UM, IS THERE ANY ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ON THIS NEW ONE? NOT YET.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL DO A MOTION.
UM, THIS DRAWING OR THIS RENDERING SHOWS THAT THOSE OUTER EDGES ALMOST COME TO A POINT.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME DEPTH TO YOUR DISPLAY AND THE FRAME AND THE, THE SURROUND.
HOW THICK IS YOUR THE SIGN? DMA YOUR, UH, SIGN FOUR INCHES.
IT'S THE SIGN'S FOUR INCHES THICK, FOUR INCHES THICK.
SO BASED ON WHAT, UH, YOU ANSWERED TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU'D BE KEEPING IT AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL CORNER OF THE STONE AND THEN SET IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THAT FOUR INCH WOULD BE THE MINIMUM ALL THE WAY ACROSS, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A SCREEN ON THE UNDERSIDE? YES, SIR.
YES, EDWARD? THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE NUN OF THIS PILOT, UH, I THINK HAS GIVEN US, UH, SOME GUIDANCE THAT SAYS THAT WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY AT THIS POINT NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED AS, AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN ASK, BUT THAT PERHAPS US ASKING HELPS US DEFINE WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS WE MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF THE APPLICANTS ARE MOTIVATED AND ARE LISTENING AND TO THE FEEDBACK AND HAVE INCORPORATED CHANGES.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IF THERE ARE, IF THERE IS PREFERENCE FOR CERTAIN DESIGN ASPECTS, THOSE COULD CERTAINLY BE COMMUNICATED WELL, WELL WITHIN, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, THAT, THAT, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S ALREADY A, A, A WILL, UH, FOR A MOTION, UH, THAT, THAT A MOTION COULD OR SHOULD CARRY A REQUIREMENT FOR PROFILE SUBMISSION OF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D CALL 'EM SHOP DRAWINGS, BUT A SUBMISSION TO THE HDRC FOR, FOR PROFILE CONSIDERED DESIGN, NOT PROFILE, CONSIDERED WORKING DRAWINGS, PRO PROFILE CONSIDERED, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK OR THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO YOU ALL, OR Y'ALL WOULD HAVE TO GET SOME KIND OF AN APPROVAL FOR AN, AN APPROVED PROFILE.
DO MY MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IF YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A MOTION.
WELL, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU JUST HAVE A QUICK ANSWER AND, AND RACHEL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN UNMUTE AN ANSWER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE PERMIT FROM DSD ANYWAYS.
AND SO THE CITY WOULD BE RECEIVING THAT AS PART OF THE PERMIT.
IF THERE WAS A DESIRE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HC OR C TO REVIEW THAT, THEN THAT, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE A CONDITION FOR THAT DETAIL TO RETURN.
BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE INCLUDED FOR WHAT THE CITY PERMITS.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S STILL ALLOWABLE THAT IT, IT, WE COULD EXTEND OURSELVES BEYOND, UH, UH, GUESS THAT THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE, BUT TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN THE MOTION THAT PROFILE IS, WOULD BE DESIGNED AND THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET, UH, UH, A PICTURE OF HOW THE SHADOW LINES
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ARE CREATED OR HOW THE REVEALS ARE CREATED AS PART OF DESIGN, NOT JUST TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT THE THING HOOKS TO THE WALL.SO MY MOTION WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND THEN I'LL TALK MORE SECOND.
AND THE REASON IS, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
IT'S A HUGE CHANGE FROM THE FIRST PROPOSAL TO THE SECOND GOOD DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE, EVEN THOUGH I'M SAYING IT'S CONCEPTUAL, IT DOES, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR DETAILED, UM, DRAWINGS SPECIFIC TO HOW THE INSTALLATION IS, WHAT IS THE GAP, THE DEPTH, ALL THAT.
WE'VE ASKED THAT FOR THE OTHER APPLICANTS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M REALLY PUSHING FOR CONCEPTUAL IS JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE THEN ALSO BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT ONCE, ONCE WE SEE THAT, AND EXACTLY THOSE PROFILE DETAILS, I THINK THAT WILL MAKE ME MORE COMFORTABLE.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE MOVING IN A HUNDRED PERCENT THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS SPECIFIC TO THE BRACKETS WHERE THEY ARE.
AND, AND I THINK MAYBE WHEN YOU ALSO EXPLORING THAT, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT I PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE GAP OVER HERE.
I PROBABLY NEED IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? DEPTH OF THAT BILLBOARD.
BETWEEN ON THE, ON THE SIDES, ON THE CORNERS.
I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ON, UH, SHEET 10 EDWARD, WHERE IT SHOWS THE ELEVATION AND THE SIGN BEING 25 FEET TALL.
DOES THAT HEIGHT CORRESPOND WITH, UH, MORTAR JOINT, HORIZONTAL MORTAR JOINTS ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING? IT DOES, YES.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR. SINA? I, UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I, I HAVE A CONCERN.
I'M LOOKING ON MY PHONE, GOOGLE.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
PERHAPS IF WE CAN SEE THIS, I KNOW WE CAN SEE THE BUILDING FROM THE RIVER WALK.
I KNOW THAT, BUT IF WE CAN SEE THE SIGNAGE FROM THE RIVER WALK, THAT'S PROBABLY A NO GO, ISN'T IT? YEAH, I LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE, UM, JUST FROM GOOGLE, YOU CAN GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
AND THEN IF IT WAS CLOSE, WE WOULD LOOK IN PERSON, BUT THERE WAS REALLY ONLY ONE, UH, APPLICATION.
I MEAN, THIS IS FROM A RAMP LEADING DOWN TO THE RIVER WALK, BUT NOT THE RIVER WALK ITSELF.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD DRAW THE LINE.
I WOULD ALMOST SUGGEST A SITE VISIT FOR THAT ONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE COMPUTER VIEW AND BEING THERE IS VERY DIFFERENT.
JUST I THINK CAN TAKE AND MAKE SURE THAT FROM THE RIVER WALK LEVEL, WE CAN SEE OR NOT SEE.
THANK YOU, MS. MR. OH, I'M SORRY.
MS. PAR, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
UM, BUT WE CAN MAKE A SITE VISIT IN PERSON AND SEE IF WE CAN SEE IT FROM THE RIVER WALK LEVEL.
MS. PARISH IS WITH, UH, DSD, UH, UH, ADMINISTERING THE, THE PROGRAM COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.
YEAH, I WAS KIND OF HESITANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT I SEE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DID, JUST LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE.
AND, UM, IF IT'S FOR CONCEPTUAL, IS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT THE MOTION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL MM-HMM
I THINK I CAN PROBABLY GET BEHIND CONCEPTUAL, BUT I WOULD LIKE A LINE OF SIGHT, SOME GRAPHICS, SOME SORT OF LINE OF SIGHT ANALYSIS DONE, PARTICULARLY WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SITE VISIT, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT DEFINITELY WANNA SEE THAT LINE OF SIGHT ANALYSIS ON, ON THAT.
YOU DON'T WANT IT TO, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THE RIVER WALK AND THERE YOU ARE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BRIGHT THING.
THANKS, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.
WELL, I, I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT FACED WITH IS LOOKING AT A CULTURAL CHANGE DOWNTOWN, AND THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN MADE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO REVIEW AND BETTER THAT, THAT THE REVIEW IS VERY THOUGHTFUL THAN THAT.
WE TAKE SOME IDEA THAT IF WE SAY NO, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST, JUST BEING STRAIGHTFORWARD.
BUT THE, THE LANGUAGE, I THINK WITH Y'ALL, 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE THE FIRST, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR, UH, THAT, THAT WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU LISTENED, BUT THAT EVERY DETAIL OF THIS THING SHOULD BE APPROACHED IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE PILOT IS, WHICH IS AS A, AS A, UM, AS AN ART, UH, PROJECT, SO TO SPEAK.
THAT, THAT ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS A BILLBOARD PROJECT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS ALMOST LIKE A LITMUS TEST FOR, OKAY, MAYBE THAT ONE NEEDS TO MOVE WHILE WE MOVE ON TO THE ONES THAT ARE ADHERING TO WHAT THE SPIRIT OF
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THE PROJECT IS.THIS BEGINS REALLY TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, SO AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT, UM, PROJECTS THAT WERE HELD CONSISTENT TO, TO THAT STANDARD THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTERIM STANDARD, RIGHT? UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR, UH, DOING THAT WORK BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE BRINGING IT FROM ONE ORIENTATION.
YOU'VE ONLY SEEN IT ONE WAY AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENTLY THAT IF YOU GET OTHERS THAT THIS WAY, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND, UH, OHP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M GOING TO USE, UH, CHROME TO OPEN THE PDF.
ADOBE DECIDED IT WANTED TO UPDATE, UM, THE APPLICANT, ASHLEY FAIRMONT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UH, THERE'S ALSO AN UPDATED FILE FOR THIS ONE AS WELL.
UM, SO, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSAL ON THE STAYBRIDGE SUITES PROPERTY.
UM, THIS ONE ALSO GOT CONTINUED AND WENT TO D UH, THE DRC LAST WEEK.
UM, THIS, UH, STAYBRIDGE SUITES IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT AREA.
AND THIS SIGN ACTUALLY FACES, UM, I 37 SOUTH.
UM, SO THERE'S STAYBRIDGE SUITES, UM, WE CAN JUMP THROUGH.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN, UM, ON THE, AGAIN, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, UH, WE DID WENT AHEAD AND ADDED SOME NIGHT RENDERINGS IN CASE YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE THOSE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN HERE IS IF YOU ARE ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, WHERE YOU WOULD SEE THAT SIGN AS WELL.
UM, SO HERE'S THE SIGNAGE THAT'S PROPOSED.
UM, IT IS 22 FEET WIDE AND 25 FEET TALL.
UM, IT, THERE IS A TEXTILE LIMITATION ON HEIGHT.
THAT IS ABOUT WHERE THE TOP OF THIS SIGN IS LOCATED.
THERE WEREN'T AS MANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE AS SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE, UH, SIGNS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT MAYBE A MORE VERTICALLY ORIENTED SIGN.
UM, DID EXPLORE THAT OPTION AND FELT THAT, UM, IT, IT DIDN'T LOOK AS GOOD AS THIS SIGN ON THE WALL.
UM, IT WAS A BIT NARROW AND SEEMED, UM, MORE OUT OF PLACE, I WOULD SAY.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU FEEL THAT ALL OF THEM ARE OUT OF PLACE.
UM, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT ON THE STRUCTURE.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS, THE 22 BY 25 IS BETTER ON THIS FACADE.
JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER RENDERING.
UM, AND THEN JUST AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT WOULD SIT ON THE BUILDING.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE FULLY DESIGNED, UM, DRAWINGS ON THIS ONE EITHER.
UM, BUT WOULD HOPEFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS TOO.
UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU SAY APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF FEET OF SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SIGN? YES.
AND THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE DID RECEIVE, UM, IN DRC WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SPACING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SIGN BECAUSE IT WAS PROPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOUNDARIES.
UM, AND, AND SO WE, WE PULLED IT IN SO THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME BORDER AROUND IT.
UH, QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WONDERED IF WE COULDN'T, UH, ENTERTAIN A MO MOTION TO GO INTO DISCUSSION THAT IS SEPARATE OF A MOTION.
SECOND SEPARATE OF A WELL, OKAY.
WE HAVE THE MOTION TO GO INTO DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUE, MR. CHAIR.
I, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, AN EXAMPLE THAT REALLY CONTRASTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A, A, UM, A PROPOSAL THAT GRAPHS ITSELF INTO THE ARCHITECTURE
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THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING HERE CAN HAPPEN.IT BECOMES THE, THE COMMUNITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT, THE COMMUNITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
IT, IT, IT DOESN'T BECOME THAT IT REMAINS A SIGN.
IT, IT, IT, IT, THERE'S NOTHING CREATIVE ABOUT IT.
IT, IT HAS NO WAY OF ADDRESSING THE BUILDING, OR IT HASN'T BEEN EXPLORED TO, TO A, TO A DISTANCE THAT, THAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION WITH SOMETHING BEYOND THE SIGN IN AND OF ITSELF TO BE CONSIDERED.
IT'S AN ALIEN IN A, IN A, IN A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE INTRODUCTION OF AN ELECTRONIC, HORIZONTAL THING IN A, IN A, ON A, ON A, ON A STUCCO HORIZONTAL THING.
UH, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSION'S, UH, UM, OPINIONS ARE.
BUT I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO, UH, REGISTER MY, UM, UM, OPINION THAT THIS IS A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE ONE WOULD SEND THE, THE, THE ART, UH, ASSEMBLAGE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY NO, BUT DEFINITELY NOT THAT WAY.
UM, AND I'M INTERESTED IN THE OPINIONS OF MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER SAVINA? UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, YES, THIS ONE PRESENTS A VERY DIFFERENT QUESTION OF, OF CONTEXT.
AND, UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED AS THIS IS PRESENTED NOW THAT THIS IS REALLY ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN A BILLBOARD.
AND HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS A BILLBOARD REQUEST IN THIS LOCATION? THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ON A HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT IT IS THE GATEWAY TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT, ST.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE HOTEL, YOU EASILY SEE THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS BEYOND AND SURROUNDING IT.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT CONSIDERATION THAT I'M WONDERING IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS A BILLBOARD? I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT EVEN A BILLBOARD, MUCH LESS A DIGITAL SIGN DEVICE, IS APPROPRIATE AS PRESENTED LIKE THIS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TRYING TO INTEGRATE ITSELF INTO THE ARCHITECTURE, EVEN THOUGH THE ARCHITECTURE IS NEW.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS ONE IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS AS THE, HOW THE ORDINANCE IS, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE EXACTLY DON'T NEED TO, OR WE DON'T HAVE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS AROUND IT, OR THE REAR WALK TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANNA PLAY THAT INTERACTION WITH THE BUILDINGS.
HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE HISTORY? SO WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND WITH THIS DIGITAL ORDINANCE, I WOULD SAY THIS SIGN, I WOULD SUPPORT IT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
I'M GONNA ASK, KEEP ASKING THE APPLICANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU INSTALL, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT JUST FOLLOWS THE LINES OR THE MORTAR GRA MORTAR LINES OF THE BUILDING.
THANK YOU ALSO FOR LISTENING, FOR REDUCING IT.
IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT LESS EVASIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SPOT VERSUS THE TOP WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, AND YOU'VE ED IT, YOU'VE PLAYED WITH THE WINDOW HEIGHTS, THE MORTAR LINES.
I THINK YOU'RE LISTENING AND I THINK WITHIN OUR, OUR, OUR PURVIEW AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE, WE'VE SINCE LEARNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE AND HOW IT'S WORKING.
I THINK THIS IS, UH, MORE THAN SOMETHING THAT I'LL SUPPORT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
IS THAT A MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE NO FURTHER, WE STILL, WE IN DISCUSSION.
WE'RE IN A, WE WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.
WE'RE IN DISCUSSION OFF OF MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES MOTION IS TO DISCUSS DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION.
UM, I THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SINO ON THIS, IN, IN THAT IT, IT JUST, THIS, THIS SHOE'S NOT GONNA FIT CINDERELLA SISTERS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE, UH, UH, LIMITED ON HOW YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE THIS WORK.
ACTUALLY, THE BUILDING PROBABLY IS, IS SAYING SOMETHING ELSE.
THE BUILDING, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH USING THAT WHOLE SPACE, BUT THAT GOES AGAINST THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES, OR IT GOES AGAINST THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE.
BUT YEAH, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS ONE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SQUARE, IT'S SQUARE ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING THAT DETRACTS FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING, IT JUST KIND OF DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT FITS WELL.
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OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.UM, BE, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE FIRST, UM, STANDARD SETTERS, RIGHT? IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT ONE OPPORTUNITY WHERE ONE OBLIGATION WOULD BE TO PUSH THAT BAR AS HIGH AS IT CAN GO.
I THINK WE BEGIN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT GENERALLY WE WOULD NEVER DO THIS.
THAT'S WHERE THIS, THAT'S WHERE THE BAR SHOULD GO.
SO THAT THERE IS AN INTENTIONALITY BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE GRAFTING OF THIS PILOT THAT MAY HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE.
THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE PULLING THAT BAR UP VERY HIGH, BUT WE'RE ALSO MITIGATING THE POTENTIAL FOR A NEGATIVE OUTCOME.
IF YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTH, YOU'RE GONNA PASS THE ALAMO DOMES DIGITAL BILLBOARD, AND, AND BEFORE YOU CAN BLINK, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THE MIND THE SAME IMPRESSION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
ONE'S GONNA ONLY ANTICIPATE THAT, JUST LIKE THE ALAMO DOME ONE CHANGES FROM THIS CONCERT TO THAT CONCERT, THAT THE ONE THAT CHANGES NEXT TO IT IS GONNA CHANGE.
AND IF IT CATCHES IT IN THE MIDDLE OF COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THEN IT, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE JUST BILLBOARDS.
SO THIS LOCATION, IT, IT IS THAT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WE, WE, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL.
AND IT, I THINK IT APPEALS TO OUR, OUR, UM, OUR, UH, THE, THE PARALLEL, UH, EXPECTATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE, WHICH WOULD BE INVESTMENT IN ARTISTIC EXCELLENCE.
AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WHATEVER'S HANGING ON THIS BUILDING WOULD INVOKE THAT, THAT FEELING OF SATISFACTION.
SO, UM, I WOULD, IIII WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT, BUT I WOULD ALSO HOPE THAT, UH, THE BEST MOTION WOULD BE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
AND I BET YOU, JUST LIKE THEY DID BEFORE, THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A BETTER SOLUTION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I'M GONNA DO MY MOTION AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, A MOVE TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND HAVE A SECOND.
SO I WAS GONNA MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE WAS A DRC YOU PRESENTED.
WE, YOU HEARD US, YOU HAVE CHANGED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM A SECOND DRC.
I'LL LET MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, PARTICIPATE AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
UM, THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERSONAL OPINION OF WHETHER WE LIKE IT.
WE ARE NOT THE ARTS COMMISSION PER THE PURVIEW.
I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT IT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE FOUND A BETTER, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT IT.
I DO ALSO WITH THE EXISTING DIGITAL SIGNAGE FROM THE ALAMODOME.
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT DOES RELATE.
SO, UM, THAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS MOTION.
I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT YOU DO COME UP WITH SOME DETAILED DRAWINGS, UM, FOR BEFORE FINAL, AFTER THAT.
TRC, WELL, I SAID SAID CONCEPTUAL, BUT IT, IT OPENS THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO A DRC, LIKE THE OTHER ONE, MR. CHAIR, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I, I, UM, WELL WANNA REGISTER YOU ON THE RECORD THAT A, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
IF THERE ARE TYPICAL TO OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVALS, WE, WE'VE GENERALLY ACCEPTED THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, IN, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
I, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I, I, UM, UM, IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM CAN FIND A CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVAL FOR, FOR THIS, THIS LOCATION OR THIS, THIS ORIENTATION.
UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTING A PROPOSAL SOMEWHERE IN THIS LOCATION, BUT I WANNA BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
WE JUST RECENTLY PASSED AN OBSERVATION ELEMENT THAT IS A, A FERRIS WHEEL HERE, GIANT.
THERE'S STILL A LOT TO BE, UH, UH, DETERMINED AS TO WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS ENVIRONMENT IS OR HOW THIS MAY NEGATIVELY AFFECT THAT ENVIRONMENT.
STILL HAS, HASN'T BEEN CONSTRUCTED, BUT THAT
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A CONCEPTUAL WOULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT AN INCH THIS WAY OR A FOOT THAT WAY WOULD FIX THIS.THIS IS A, UH, IN YOUR FACE, IT SEEMS TO BE A BLATANT BILLBOARD.
UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MS. FAIRMAN? YEP.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, AND MAYBE RACHEL CAN COMMENT TO IT, WE DON'T START WORKING WITH THE ARTS DEPARTMENT UNTIL AFTER WE RECEIVE FIRST APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL.
SO IT HAS TO BE ACTUALLY ISSUED THE PERMIT OR APPROVAL TO GET THE PERMIT AS PART OF THE PROGRAM TO WORK WITH THE ARTS DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS ISN'T WHAT THE FINAL SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE.
IT WILL HAVE AN ART COMPONENT TO IT THAT HAS TO BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS WORKED WITH ARTS ON.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE YET.
THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN FOUR FIFTY ONE.
SO AD THE APPLICANT, BLAKE CUSTER IS HERE IN PERSON.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS BLAKE KUSTER, UM, BC RESULTS, UM, AND, UH, THE LOCATION IS, UH, 4 51 SOLEDAD.
IT'S A NORTH FACE OF A BUILDING IN A SOUTH FACE OF A BUILDING.
I DID GO TO ART DRC, UM, AND INCORPORATED AND INTEGRATED THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF, UH, RECLINE, UH, PROPORTIONALITY INTEGRATION ALIGNMENT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY RESPECT THE CONCEPTUAL PROFILE CONCEPT IN TERMS OF THIS, THIS IS THE SOUTH FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS HERE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD A HORIZONTAL SIGN HERE, AND BASICALLY THE BOARD ASKED THAT IT BE INCORPORATED, UM, TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAPS ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE, THE, THE, THE HORIZONTAL, I'M SORRY, THE VERTICAL COLUMNS ARE 22 FEET ON CENTER.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT REVEAL.
THIS WOULD BE INSET BASICALLY INTO THE BUILDING IN A VERY, UH, OR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL WAY.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE THE SIGN, IT'S THE BUILDING FIRST.
UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE BUILDING IS ABOUT 11,716 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S, IT'S 116 FEET HIGH, 101 FEET WIDE.
UM, THIS SIGN WOULD BE 440 SQUARE FEET.
THE ALLOWABLE SIZE WAS, THAT'S 25% IS 29.
SO SENSITIVE TO THE OVERALL BUILDING.
SO THE SIGN WAS NOT ENCOMPASSING THE BUILDING.
THIS SITS IN THE RIO DISTRICT.
ONE THING YOU'LL SEE ON THIS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ARTWORK THERE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE FRAME AROUND IT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNS I'VE SEEN ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT CREATE A SHROUD, WHICH IS A FRAME.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SENSITIVITY TO THE RIVERWALK AND, AND THE TILES THAT WERE CREATED BY THE RIVERWALK.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DO NOT WANT TO DUPLICATE THAT, BUT WE WANT TO CREATE AN ODE TO THAT AND KIND OF CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO THAT.
SO IT, IT ACCENTS THE BUILDING.
THIS IS ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY FROM WHERE THE FUTURE MISSIONS, MISSIONS BASEBALL TEAM WILL BE PLAYING.
THIS IS THE MAIN PARKING LOT PROBABLY THAT'LL SERVICE THAT.
SO THIS HELPS ADVERTISE FOR THAT.
IT COULD, COULD BE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS THE SOUTH FACE GOING NORTHBOUND ON SOLEDAD.
UM, ONE THING ON THIS SPECIFIC SIGN, UM, INITIALLY I HAD IT ON THE EAST FACE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS MARTIN STREET.
ONE WAY I WALKED THE RIVER, UM, RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT A HUNDRED YARDS TO THE NORTH, THERE'S A GAP.
SO WE MOVED IT AROUND THE QUARTER.
SO, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND SAN ANTONIO A LONG TIME, UNDERSTAND THE, THE SENSITIVITY AND THE CULTURAL, UH, ASPECTS OF, OF THE CITY.
SO WANTED TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS IN THAT REGARD.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UH, YOU ALSO SPEAK TO THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, THIS IS, UH, 4 51 AGAIN, SOLEDAD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, GOING SOUTHBOUND ON SOLEDAD, THE TWO, THE TWO DIRECTIONS.
UH, THIS COULD BE, UH, EITHER YOU GO MAIN STREET OR SOLEDAD SOUTHBOUND.
UM, THIS IS A SIGN THAT'S A TEN SIX THIRTY SIX, AGAIN, FOCUSED ON
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THE REC LINEAL, UH, ASPECT.UM, GREAT INPUT FROM THE DRC WHERE YOU WANTED TO CENTER IT BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, PILLARS.
UH, THE PILLAR INSIDE DIMENSIONS FOR THE PILLARS WERE 40 FEET.
SO THERE'D BE A, A TWO FEET REVEAL ON EACH SIDE.
TRY TO, UH, CAPTURE AND COVER THE TWO OPENINGS, UH, TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS 60 FEET.
THIS SIGN, AS I STATED BEFORE, IS 378 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD BE 5% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FACE.
UM, AND SO, UH, AND IT, IT LAYS OUT PERFECTLY WITHIN THAT KIND OF CONFIGURATION THAT WAS LAID THERE.
UM, AGAIN, UH, LISTEN TO THE BOARD AND TRY TO, TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU GUYS HAD REQUESTED AS A PART OF THE, THE ORIGINAL MEETING.
IT'S ABOUT 300 FEET AWAY FROM SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ARTS ACROSS, UM, ACROSS TO THE EAST NORTHEAST.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THIS.
UM, THE DIGITAL MEDIA ARCH PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY IS A NEW PROGRAM THAT'S ALLOWING EIGHT SIGNS.
AND SO TO SOME DEGREE, IT'S A RUSH TO GET EVERYTHING IN BECAUSE IT'S FIRST COME IN, OKAY? IT'S NOT WHOEVER GETS THEIR STUFF IN AND MEETS THE EXPECTATIONS.
SO SOMETIMES THE APPLICANTS HERE, MYSELF, WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO MEET THOSE, BUT ALSO ON A SPEED BASIS TO DO THAT.
UM, LAST POINT IS ALL THESE SIGNS ALSO HAVE TO MEET TECH REQUIREMENTS.
ALL THE ROADS DOWNTOWN ARE TXDOT ROADS.
THERE'S A, A CITY REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UH, DIGITAL MEDIA ARCH PROGRAM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A STATE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO MEET BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE CRITERIA.
SO I JUST WANTED TO INFORM YOU IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT ALREADY.
SO, BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
UM, QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER SAVINO QUESTIONS? YEAH.
THE REASON I PULL THIS IS BECAUSE I DID WANNA PULL ALL OF THE CASES SINCE THEY ARE SORT OF THE TOPIC, THE ORDINANCE DISCUSSION, AND EVEN THE CASES ARE SORT OF SLIDING IN QUIETLY WITHOUT A LOT OF FOLKS WATCHING.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND STICKING AROUND ALSO.
BUT YOU BROUGHT UP SOME POINTS THAT I HAD THOUGHT OF, AND THAT WAS, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALSO THE DRC THAT I CAN TELL WAS PRODUCTIVE.
YOU HAVE RELATIVELY AN EASY, UM, GRID TO WORK WITH, SO IT WAS EASY TO ADJUST.
NOW, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, THIS IS ONE SHORT BLOCK DEPTH FROM THE RIVERWALK.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GAPS WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BUILDING FROM DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF THIS COMMISSION PROVIDES AN APPROVAL AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO WHEN THE LEAVES DROP FROM THE TREES, WE FIND THAT THAT SPOT IS VISUAL, UH, VISIBLE FROM THE RIVER.
HOW IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED? I THINK IT'S UP TO YOU ALL AT THIS POINT TO MAKE THAT INTERPRETATION.
SO THERE IS ANOTHER ITEM WHERE, SORRY, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM WHERE STAFF FINDS THAT IT'S CLEARLY VISIBLE.
AND SO WE HAVE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS READILY VISIBLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
LIKE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND IT, YOU MIGHT FIND IT.
AND SO NOTHING THAT SPECIFIC IS IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO WE RELY ON CASE HISTORY AND INTERPRETATION HERE AT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO INFORM WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE.
AND SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE SEEING IT PARTIALLY IN SOME PARTS OF THE YEAR, IF YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIND IT, MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE WILL FOLLOW YOUR LEAD.
YEAH, THAT IS A, THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S ILLUMINATED BY NATURE.
CHANCES ARE IF ONE CAN SEE IT FROM THE RIVER, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT DAY OR NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE WAY LIGHT WORKS.
UM, AND SO MY CONCERN CAME ABOUT BY READING THE ORDINANCE AND SAYING THAT NO, UH, DIGITAL MEDIA DEVICES ARE ALLOWED ON THE RIVERWALK, BUT THEN DURING OUR TRAINING SESSION, WE HEAR THAT VISIBLE FROM THE RIVERWALK WAS THE INTERPRETATION.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE IN THAT FLUID AREA, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THAT STIPULATION OR THAT CONDITION TO BE AS FLUID, UM, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT STIPULATION WOULD BE.
I DON'T, IT'S REALLY HARD TO NAIL DOWN.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
SO, UM, LET'S START WITH THE ONE THAT'S, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BEFORE I, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
MS. PARISH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT ON THE, UM, THE VISIBILITY FROM THE RIVER WALK.
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YES.THE WAY I I, I DON'T WANNA USE GOOGLE EARTH WHEN IT'S CLOSED.
I WANT US TO GO OUT AND LOOK AND SEE IF THEY'RE WITHIN LINE OF SIGHT.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE TAKING THE TREES INTO ACCOUNT AND WHETHER OR NOT THE LEAVES ARE GONNA BE THERE.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL IF YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE RIVER WALK WITHOUT THE TREE LEAVES THERE.
I MEAN, WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANALYSIS IN PERSON IS THERE.
AND MR. CHAIR, AFTER YOUR NEXT SPEAKER.
MS. PARRISH, JUST REAL QUICK A QUESTION THERE.
IS THAT PART OF YOUR PERMITTING PROCESS AS WELL? SO EVEN IF WE ADD THAT AS A STIPULATION, YOU WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT YOU DON'T NEED OUR REVIEW ON TOP OF THAT? YES, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THAT REGARDLESS.
UM, LET'S START WITH THE SIGN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
WHY DID YOU NOT, UM, MAKE IT GO ALL THE WAY TO EACH END TO THE PILLARS LIKE YOU DID ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, BECAUSE THE SIGN WAS, UH, TEN SIX THIRTY SIX.
I MEAN, THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE SET UP, THERE WOULD BE A, UH, ENGINEERING WISE, THERE'D BE A CONNECTION ON THE COLUMN, TWO CONNECTIONS ON EACH SIDE.
SO YOU NEEDED TO LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE STRINGER TO GO ACROSS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING ON THE COLUMN.
AND SO OFF THE COLUMN, YOU'D HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE POST TENSION COLUMN, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT NOT ON THIS SIDE.
ON THAT SIDE, THERE'S A CONNECTION.
ON THE OTHER ONE, IT'S LIKE INSERTED.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH? THE WIDTH ON THE COLUMNS OF THE SIGN, THIS WIDTH IS 36 FEET.
OKAY, SO THERE'S STILL THREE FEET, ALL OF THAT? YEAH, I COULD, YOU KNOW, I COULD EXPAND THAT ANOTHER, ANOTHER FOOT OR SO INTO, TO COVER THAT REVEAL IF YOU WANTED.
WELL, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE KIND OF THE, THE, WHAT YOU EXPLAINED ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS THAT YOU KIND OF LIKE INSERTED IT.
AND, AND MADE IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PART OF THE BUILDING.
AND HERE IT WAS JUST, WHY IS IT NOT? THAT WAS JUST CASE.
I CAN MAKE THE CHANGE OFF THE DS DRC MEETING.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED.
AND SO I BASICALLY DID WHAT THEY REQUESTED AT THAT POINT.
IF YOU, IF THERE'S ANOTHER CHANGE THAT'S NEEDED, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A CHANGE, I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU'D LIKE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. VELAZQUEZ, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AGAIN THAT WE GO INTO DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, JUST FOR THE RECORD STAFF.
SO IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A PAPER AND PAINT BILLBOARD THIS SIZE, IT WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE IT THROUGH THE DOOR, RIGHT? ANY OFF-PREMISE SIGNAGE THAT IS NOT OTHERWISE ALLOWED BY SOME ORDINANCE IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION? SECOND.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE TOGETHER, THE, THE FIRST PRESENTATION.
IF EDWARD, IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT, UH, THAT THE FIRST A, LET'S SAY A PART OF THIS, THIS IS A, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE B THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE A, YEAH, THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE, VERY THOUGHTFUL, UH, WAY OF, UH, ACCOMPLISHING THIS IN, IN THE, USING THE BUILDING AS, UH, THE LEADER IN, IN, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, PARTICULARLY THAT I WAS GONNA ASK WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS THE DETAIL OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS THE, THE VIDEO SCREEN THAT THEY WENT TO THAT LEVEL OF ARTICULATING INTO SAYING, HEY, THIS PRESENTS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
WE'RE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF SOMETHING THAT BECOMES ADDED VALUE, AN ENHANCEMENT.
UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT, IT SEEMS TO BREAK ALL THE, ALL THE RULES THAT WERE FOLLOWED ON THIS SIDE.
AND, AND IT, IT ALSO PERHAPS PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE A AND, UH, AND THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND IN B, RIGHT? AND, AND PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE FAST TRACK NATURE OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THAT PERHAPS THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH TIME FOR THIS SIDE TO, FOR A SIDE TO REVEAL ITSELF.
AND ON THE B SIDE IS MORE BEING A VICTIM OF THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE CLEARLY LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THEY MAY BE, UH, NOT NECESS, NOT NOT RECOGNIZABLE, USEFUL GEOMETRIES,
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BUT, BUT LETTING THAT, UH, REST WHILE IT REVEALS ITSELF, BECAUSE THIS ONE SEEMED TO REVEAL ITSELF AND, AND THEN CLEARLY JUMPED ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS THING LOOK LIKE, LIKE IF YOU DESIGNED THAT BUILDING, WOULDN'T THAT BE A GREAT IDEA FOR IT TO BE, UM, UH, NATIVE TO THE BUILDING? SO I, I JUST WONDER HOW WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS ELEMENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO HAVE TWO OF THESE ELEMENTS OR THREE OF THESE ELEMENTS, UH, THAT PRESENTS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT APPROVING ASPECTS.BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MUCH LIKE THE ONE PREVIOUSLY THAT IN MY OPINION SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, THAT PERHAPS THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS WELL.
BUT, BUT THAT FOR THE MOST PART, IT, IT TRIES ITS BEST TO REACH TO THIS LEVEL OF, UH, OF DESIGN INTENT.
YEAH, I JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
I MEAN, MAYBE NOT EVERY BUILDING CAN HAVE A DIGITAL SIGN.
I MEAN, AS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE NOT EVERY SIDE CAN HAVE THAT, OR WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSKI HERE.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE OTHER ONE NEEDS A LITTLE WORK.
WELL, I AGREE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN OUR COMMENTS INTO ACCOUNT HE HAS IMPROVED, UM, THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND, UH, I THINK I AGREE THAT THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE PROBABLY NEEDS SOME WORK, BUT IF THE DETAILING OF THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE, IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION AND MOUNTING TO AROUND THE SPANDREL PANELS AND THE COLUMNS WAS THE SAME ON THE NORTH AS THE SOUTH, IN Y'ALL'S OPINION, WOULD THAT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE? WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION COULD ALSO BE, IF, IF THE CIRCUMSTANCE WAS THE SAME, AND, AND I MEAN EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE CONTINUITY, SAY THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THIS WAY, YOU WOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THE NORTH SIDE.
IF YOU HAD AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENT SIMILAR, NOW IT'S HIGHER, DOES IT PROVIDE GREATER ACCESS TO VISIBILITY TO THE RIVERWALK? THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED, BUT PERHAPS THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE CONNECTIVITY IS OFFERED IN A REVEAL AS OPPOSED TO ON TOP OF SOMETHING, IT, IT COULD FOLLOW.
SAY FOR INSTANCE, A MOTION I WOULD THINK COULD PASS A OR, OR COULD PROPOSE A WITH B TO A DESIGN, UH, REVIEW OR FIND A DESIGN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA POINT IT, SO THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE REVIEW, HAVE ASPECTS OF, WITH A PROPOSAL APPROVED, NOT NECESSARILY A NO ON THE NORTH, BUT CONTINUED DISCOVERY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
UH, SO I'M, I'M GONNA ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER FETZER, UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT SIGN B KIND OF ALIGNS WITH THE SAME, SAME DESIGN ELEMENT, SAME DESIGN STRUCTURE AS, UH, SIGN A IN MOTION? I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF THE DETAILING OF BOTH SIGNS WERE THE SAME IN, IN RELATION TO THE COLUMNS AND THE SPANDREL PANELS, WHICH ARE THE, UH, KEY ARCHITECTURAL AND STRUCTURAL DETAILS OF THE BUILDING.
SO MAYBE TO THE APPLICANT, JUST TO REALLY EMPHASIZE ON THAT FIRST QUESTION I HAD.
WILL YOU, A, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT SAME, LIKE INSERTING THE SIGN INTO THE BUILDING FOR SIGN B THAN YOU THAT YOU DID FOR SIGN A? YEAH, WE CAN ENCOMPASS THE HORIZONTAL BOUNDARY OF THE, THE VERTICAL DISPLAYS.
OF THE VERTICAL COLUMNS TO COVER THE EDGES.
I MEAN, AND YOU'RE LIKE PUTTING IT INSIDE THE COLUMNS? YES, MA'AM.
IS THAT AN OPTION? I MEAN, THERE'S A REVEAL OF THE COLUMN.
I MEAN, REMEMBER, KEEP IN ONE MIND THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE WIDTH OF THE SIGN IS EIGHT INCHES.
ONE THING WE ARE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT PUTTING CATWALKS IN THE BACK OF THE SIGN, SO IT'D BE FLUSHED TO THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT IT, IT'S MORE INCORPORATED INTO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF VERSUS SITTING OUT OVER THE STRUCTURE TIME.
MR. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK, UH, COMMENT.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE, AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE WHERE I GO WITH TO THE, THE, MAYBE IT DOESN'T DESERVE A SIGN, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? WHAT, WHAT ARE THESE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT? CORY? ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE LANDMARKS? ONE OF THEM IS.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE VISUAL FLOW OF THAT ENTIRE PICTURE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? SOME OLD BUILDINGS, HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND THEN I SEE THE SIGN, IS IT POPPING AT ME? PROBABLY IS.
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE.
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ALL RIGHT.THERE'S NO OTHER FEATURES THERE EXCEPT MAYBE THE TREE AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE FROST SIGN THERE.
SO THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE BUILDING ITSELF A LITTLE BIT.
TO ME, AT LEAST IN THE LAYMAN'S TERM, IT SPEAKS TO, SPEAKS TO THE BUILDING.
WHEREAS THE OTHER SIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE OF HAVING ALMOST A BLANK CANVAS THERE, YOU KNOW, USING THE BUILDING.
THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT ON THIS AGAIN, UH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP AND MR. CHAIR? I'M, YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
UH, COREY, UH, EDWARD, COULD WE GO TO THE OTHER PICTURE? UH, THIS, THIS, UH, ORIENTATION, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT SHOULD GO TO A, A FURTHER, FURTHER, UH, DESIGN WORK THERE.
THIS INTERRUPTS THE, THE KIND OF THE FLOW OF THE NEGATIVE POSITIVE SPACE, THE RHYTHM OF THAT VERTICAL SPACE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, A VOID UP ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, AND THEN THERE'S A FLAT PANEL THAT IS ALMOST AN ANOMALY IN THE RHYTHM OF THIS BUILDING.
NOT TO SAY THAT A PANEL CAN'T GO IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, BUT THAT THIS WOULD PRESENT ITSELF AS ALMOST BREAKING THE RULE OF THE OTHER AND, AND REALLY MISSING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, NOT TO SAY THAT A SIGN COULDN'T BE GRAFTED INTO THIS ENVIRONMENT, BUT THAT WHERE, HOW IT'S PRESENTED ITSELF, IT BREAKS THE RULES OF THAT VERY, UH, UM, GRACE GRACEFULLY PLACED OTHER ASSEMBLAGE.
SO I, I, I WOULD BE ONE TO SUPPORT, LET'S SAY, A AND B, THE THE SQUARE A, BUT I, I WOULD FIND IT PREMATURE TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, B AS A SOLUTION.
JUST, JUST FOR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER GROOVE, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE AS PRESENTED TODAY.
ITEM NUMBER B WITH STAFF STIPULATION.
AND I'LL ADD FOR THE FORMALITIES IS A STIPULATION THAT NONE OF THE SIGNS SHOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SO, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS TO LEAVE IT OPEN SO THAT THERE CAN BE A DRC AND THE COMMISSIONERS CAN, UH, COME.
THIS IS, I FEEL LIKE, AND OUT OF RESPECT THAT MY COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU TO ABLE, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD'VE GONE WITH A STIPULATION IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOLLOW WHAT YOU DID ON A THANK YOU.
AND THAT DRCI THINK YOU'VE COME TO A REALLY GREAT SOLUTION ON ITEM A, ON SIGN A, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT, AND THEN SIGN TWO, MAYBE.
YES, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER PLACEMENT ON THE BUILDING.
I CANNOT HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION OF WHETHER I DO LIKE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS OR NOT.
WE HAVE A NEW ORDINANCE WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AND UNDERSTAND.
AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FAST TRACK PROCESS HERE.
SO THIS IS THE REASON FOR THIS MOTION.
I HOPE THAT MY COMMISSIONERS CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, COME TO THIS DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE, I THINK AT LEAST FOR THIS DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IMPLEMENTING, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED THE SIGN OUT TO THE PILLARS ON EACH SIDE, I THINK THAT REALLY GIVES IT, AND KEEPING THAT DESIGN FRAME AROUND THE SIGNS.
I'D JUST LIKE TO, YES, TO THE APPLICANT.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT THAT ONE SIDE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS THIS SIDE IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
THE, THE OTHER SIDE IS, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WONDER WHY IT WASN'T DONE TO BEGIN WITH, RIGHT? THIS SIDE, I THINK IT, IT OBVIOUSLY PRESENTS ITSELF WITH THE OPPORTUNITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS IT, BUT IF, IF YOU BEGIN WITH SOMETHING HERE CAN HAPPEN, I, I THINK IT SHOULD ADD ADDED VALUE TO THE BUILDING.
THE OTHER SIDE OF MOST DEFINITELY DOES ON THIS SIDE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HOW DOES IT FIT WITH THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES IT CAMOUFLAGE ITSELF IN THE ENVIRONMENT TO CREATE THE SAME ILLUSION THAT IT WAS ALWAYS THERE.
SO A PERSON THAT DOESN'T WANNA SEE A BILLBOARD WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE BILLBOARD IS.
I DO WANNA JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT IS CONFORMING AND, AND LIKE THE OTHERS SAY IT IS INTEGRAL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT ALMOST BELONGS THERE.
UM, I DO WANT TO, UM, UH, EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT ALL OF THESE, AND SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME AND THE TIME TRACK.
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IS VERY HONESTLY HALF BAKED.A LOT OF THE THINGS ARE BEING LEFT UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE.
AND AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSION GOING ON, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, EVERY CASE THAT COMES UP IS A NEW LESSON, A NEW CASE STUDY, RIGHT? UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN THIS SETTING AFTER THE ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE SEEMS A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE AND QUESTIONABLE.
I FEEL LIKE THE, THESE CONVERSATIONS WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH MORE USEFUL AND THEREFORE MORE PREDICTABLE FOR APPLICANTS WHEN COMING TO REQUEST PERMISSION FOR THESE THINGS.
HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS OCCURRED AHEAD OF TIME, PERHAPS DURING THE DRAFTING, UM, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL EXPRESSED WHILE WE WERE IN OUR TRAINING SESSION.
I WISH WE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS MUCH EARLIER.
SO YOU GUYS ARE THE BYPRODUCT, AND YOU'RE SITTING HERE AS THE BYPRODUCT OF THIS ORDINANCE PROCESS THAT IS LESS THAN IDEAL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, BUT AS IT RELATES TO THIS ONE, YOU ARE AN INST INTERESTING CASE STUDY.
I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THIS IS VIEWED FROM THE RIVERWALK.
THANK YOU MI, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE EDWARD OR CORY, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR, THE BEEF FACADE, IT IT IS THE, THE, THE SCULPTURE THAT IS IN THE TURN AROUND.
IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE DECISION OR THE VIEW SCAPE IN THIS OR, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S POLICY IS ON ITS SCULPTURES.
LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE TORTURE OF FREEDOM OR THOSE THINGS OH, UP ON MAINE AND SOLEDAD? YES, SIR.
UM, NO, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT, UH, SPEAKS TO VIEWS TO OR FROM PUBLIC ART.
YEAH, I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
APPRECIATE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, THE CITY HALF-ASS, THIS ORDINANCE.
AND AS A RESULT, WE'RE HAVING TO DO ALL THIS, AND YOU'RE HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS WITH UNCLEAR GUIDANCE OR UNCLEAR, UH, UH, STEPS YOU, OR, OR RATHER, UH, UH, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I WAS COMING FROM.
IT'S LIKE, YOU LOOK AT THE VISUAL, YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING, AND YOU THINK IT JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT KIND OF STANDS OUT FROM THOSE TWO BUILDINGS THERE.
SO, UM, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, AND, UH, I THANK YOU FOR THAT IN MAKING THE CHANGES.
AND I WOULD ASK BEFORE YOU, AFTER YOU COMMENT, IF THEY COULD RESTATE THE MOTION.
THIS IS ABOUT A PROCESS AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WE LEARN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
AND SO NO OFFENSE IN ANY WAY, WE WANT THE BEST PROCESS FOR US, AND WE WANT THE BEST PROCESS FOR YOU.
UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE RIVER, UM, I WALKED THE RIVER, I WALKED IT, BOTH SIDES LOOKED AT IT.
THAT'S WHY INITIALLY THE SIGN WAS ON THE MARTIN STREET SIDE, AND I SAW IT AND I WAS LIKE, NO, THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK BECAUSE I RIGHT AT THE, RIGHT AT THE MARTIN STREET BRIDGE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT IF YOU WALK DOWN, YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I MOVED IT IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION.
I WALKED IT TOO, AND I WALKED ALL THE RIVER ON THAT BOTH SIDES AND LOOKED, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
SO NOW DID I SEE IF EVERY LEAF HAS BEEN FALLING? NO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO RECOMMEND, AND IF THAT THEY DO, THEN I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO, FAIR ENOUGH.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GROUP, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? YES.
UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED TODAY.
CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AND ADD A STIPULATION TO BOTH ITEMS THAT THE SIGNS MAY NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE REAL WORK LEVEL.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS YOU DEVELOP THAT, UM, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ON THAT NORTH SIDE, THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO REQUEST ANOTHER DRC.
TO GET FURTHER FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH YOUR TIME TODAY.
AGENDA ITEM 11, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS, UH, 4 21 WEST MARKET.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, JASON PROFIT IS AVAILABLE, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS.
WE ALSO HAVE UPDATES FOR BOTH, UH, BOTH SIDES.
JASON PROFIT WITH OUTFRONT MEDIA.
I'M JAVI GONS, UH, PRINCIPAL AND, UH, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN, GRG ARCHITECTURE.
UH, I NEVER WANNA MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR HARD EARNED, UH, REPUTATION FOR, FOR BEING THOROUGH AND, AND DIFFICULT,
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU NEED TO BE, AND CERTAINLY, UH, ACCOMMODATING WHERE YOU CAN BE.UH, I SAT ON THAT SIDE, AND SO I KNOW HOW, HOW, HOW HARD IT CAN BE.
UH, I WANTED TO, UH, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PREAMBLE.
UM, YOU, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR JUST A LITTLE OVER THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
UH, IT MAY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER HAPHAZARD, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THINGS SOMETIMES SHAKE OUT.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH AND THOUGHTS AND REPORTS AND STUDIES OF APPROPRIATENESS, SIZE, LOCATION, UH, LOOKING AT TREE CANOPY, LOOKING AT THINGS YOU SEE FROM THE RIVERWALK, LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, SO WITH THAT, WE DID HAVE A DRC MEETING LAST WEEK, AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME EXTREMELY, UH, POINTED AND ASTUTE CO COMMENTS, AND WE'VE RESPONDED TO THOSE.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT REFRESHING THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT JASON IS PREPARED AND BROUGHT TODAY DETAILED DRAWINGS THAT SPEAK TO THE THICKNESS AND THE OFFSETS AND OSHA AND ALL THESE GOOD THINGS, UH, CERTAINLY WITH ALIGNMENTS AND WHATNOT, UH, BELT COURSES, NOT NOTWITHSTANDING AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, UH, WANNA REMIND EVERYONE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU HAD THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SEE A PRESENTATION OR HEAR A PRESENTATION ON, ON, ON THIS BIG IDEA.
UH, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UH, FOLKS TALK ABOUT THIS AS A BILLBOARD.
THESE ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE BILLBOARDS, ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE ORDINANCE, UH, FROM TDOT THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO WORK THROUGH.
THIS IS A DIGITAL MEDIA DISPLAY THAT'S BASED IN ARTS.
THERE IS ADVERTISING, BUT THERE IS ALSO 20% TIME FOR LOCAL PROGRAMMING, UH, AND 5% REMNANT TIME, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND ALL THAT GOES TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
SO THERE'S ARTS DISTRICTS THERE, THERE'S THE LAST TWO MINUTES OF THE SPURS GAME.
THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT, UH, AS COMMISSIONER CERVANTES SAID A MINUTE AGO, TO PULL YOUR EYES AWAY FROM YOUR SCREEN LIKE THIS AND BRING US TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THE PILOT PROGRAM IS, IS LOCATED.
SO IT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BROADCAST SIMULCAST, YOU KNOW, AT, AT, UH, TWO 30 OR FIVE 30 ON TUESDAY OR FRIDAY, AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.
UH, WE'VE SEEN GREAT PRECEDENCE, UH, FOR THIS IN DENVER, AND REALLY ACROSS THE WORLD WHERE GREAT CITIES DO GREAT THINGS AND PULL US TOGETHER.
UH, NOW I WILL ASK, UH, ONE FAVOR, UH, OF YOU ALL THAT WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU DO NOT REMOVE FROM OUR TOOLBOX, UH, ESSENTIAL, UH, UH, TOOL.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PROPORTION, SCALE, ALL THESE GREAT THINGS, JUXTAPOSITION.
PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US.
YOU KNOW, WE HEARD, UH, AND, AND YOU GUYS ARE TOUCHING ON IT.
YOU KNOW, POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, WARMING, COOL, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS, OLD AND NEW, ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS CAN REALLY MAKE SOMETHING GREAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER OF ALASKA WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO, YOU WOULDN'T DESIGN A BUILDING LIKE THIS, OR IN THE CASE OF THE LAST ONE, HEY, THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
THESE, THESE BUILDINGS, WHICH IN OUR CASE HAPPEN TO BE GARAGES, WHICH TEND TO BE, UH, MORE BULKY AND LESS ELEGANT.
UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD COMPROMISES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STREET FRONTS AND THE RIVER AND SO FORTH THAT, UH, THAT, THAT MITIGATE THAT SOMEWHAT.
BUT THESE ARE, ARE OUR VICTIM BUILDINGS.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR WORK AS A PIECE OF ART, AS A JUXTAPOSITION TO THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S, UH, INTENTION TO LINE UP WITH BELT COURSES AND MORTAR JOINTS AND ALL THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE RESPONDED IN KIND, UH, TO THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THESE DISPLAYS ARE MODULAR AND SO THEY CAN'T WORK EXACTLY TO, YOU KNOW, A CUTOFF POINT, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE RULES OF THE BUILDING OR, OR COMPORTING TO THE, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEFINITELY SUBORDINATE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY LET THAT, LET, LET, DON'T LET US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE THE STAR.
WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITHIN THE BUILDING, LET THE BUILDING BE THE STAR.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PUNCH WINDOW, WHICH IS SUBTRACTIVE, THESE DIGITAL DISPLAYS ARE ADDITIVE.
WE'RE ADDING TO THOSE OR HANGING OUT OVER THE STREET, 42 INCHES.
WE'VE REDUCED THAT, DIDN'T WE? YES, WE DID.
WE REDUCED IT BY 18 INCHES STILL, UH, MAINTAINING THE, UH, INDUSTRY STANDARD OSHA REQUIREMENTS SO THAT IT'S SAFE.
SO WE GOT GUYS UP THERE SERVICING THE BACK OF THESE THINGS, BUT IT IS PULLED IN.
THERE ARE ALL THESE GREAT THINGS.
THIS IS YOUR PART, PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS.
UM, SO TO ADDRESS, UH, THE FIRST LOCATION, 4 21 WEST MARKET, YEAH, I'LL, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP THE UPDATED FILE OR THE NEW FILE FOR, UH, THE EAST FACADE.
AND THEN, UH, WE WILL, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT.
YOU CAN ADVANCE THE SLIDE UP THERE ON THE, OKAY, SO THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL 3D BLOWOUT THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED.
UM, WE DID REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE SIGN FROM 20 FEET TO 18 FEET, 10 INCHES TO
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ALLOW FOR A 15 INCH REVEAL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING ON THIS.AND WE ALSO ALIGNED THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE OPENING OF THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEN THE TOP OF THE OPENING AT THE FIFTH FLOOR ON THE ELEVATOR SHAFT.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, CAN YOU, UH, PULL THE MIC TOWARDS YOU? YEAH, THANK YOU.
MY WIFE SAYS I'M TOO LOUD AT HOME, SO I'M TRYING TO BE MINDFUL
AND SO HERE IS OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OR OUR ARTISTIC RENDERING.
AND IN HERE WE DID ADD AN ADDITIVE BELT COURSE AT THE TOP OF THE SIGN, IF THAT IS APPEALING.
AND IT HELPS FRAME THESE IF YOU LIKE IT, IT WASN'T MY IDEA, BUT IF YOU LIKE IT, BY ALL MEANS THERE'S ANOTHER RENDERING JUST LIKE THIS WITHOUT IT.
SO HERE, HERE, HERE'S IT WITHOUT OR WIDTH.
AND THEN WE ALSO DID THE MORE PROFILE VIEW SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT IT DOES, UH, IT DOES STICK OUT TWO FEET AND 11 INCHES FROM THE, UH, ELEVATOR SHAFT.
AND THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS 59 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE ROADWAY.
LET ME TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT THE, THE PARK SIGN, WHICH IF I RECALL WHEN THAT CAME TO THE COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DID, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRAVERSE THE, THE BELT COURTS THERE.
AND BECAUSE IT'S ADDITIVE AND DIFFERENT AND JUXTAPOSED THAT ONE WAS, WAS DEEMED OKAY IN OUR CASE, WE WERE COMPORTING WITH, WITH THE BELT COURSE BEING ABOVE IT.
I THINK YOU HEARD ASHLEY FAIRMONT SAY EARLIER, THERE'S A 60 FOOT MAX HEIGHT TO THESE SIGNS.
SO WE CAN'T JUST MOVE IT UP AND KEEP THE SAME PROPORTION.
NOW I, I THINK IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IS IMPORTANT FOR THE REVENUE SIDE AND SO FORTH.
AND BEAR IN MIND, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU ALWAYS THINK ABOUT, BUT THERE IS A, AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THESE SIGNS THAT GOES TO LOCAL ARTS, WHICH IS, DON'T FORGET THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE AN ART COMPONENT FOR THIS.
IT'S GONNA BE GOOD FOR THE CITY.
SO, UH, SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, BE MINDFUL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT, BUT THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO, TO AS A, AS A STUDY, THE PARK SIGN AND THEN THE DIGITAL SIGN RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND ONE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, OBEY WITH THE RULES THAT YOU GUYS ARE POINTING US TOWARDS.
THE OTHER ONE BREAKS THOSE RULES, BUT IT'S OKAY 'CAUSE IT'S JUXTAPOSED.
SO THIS IS LO, THIS IS LOCATION A AND IT IS EAST FACING ON COMMERCE STREET.
AND WE DO HAVE THE UPDATED ENGINEERED DRAWING FOR THIS AS WELL.
UM, THE ATTACHMENT METHOD IS BY BRACKETS ON THE SIDE, AND THOSE ARE, UH, EPOXY EMBEDDED HILTI ANCHORS.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 48 OF THOSE ON THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL EMBED IN THE POURED CONCRETE FACADE.
AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE PAINTED TO COLOR MATCH THE EXISTING STUCCO AS WELL AS THE PERFORATED MESH ON THE SIDES.
AND BOTTOM OF THE SIGN AS WELL WILL BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE STUCCO.
THAT'S, UH, LITTLE DETAIL ON THE ATTACHMENT THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE.
AND ALL OF THE FRAMEWORK OF THE SIGN WILL BE DISGUISED BY THE PERFORATED MESH ON THE EXTERIOR.
DO YOU WANNA JUMP TO THE OTHER SIDE NOW? YEAH, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION ON THE BUILDING, I CAN ANSWER THOSE NOW OR I CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT.
NO, LET'S GET QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE FIRST.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED IT IN, IN THE DRC, BUT UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT ABOVE THE EXISTING BAND? THAT'S THE SECOND BAND.
THAT IS ABOUT EIGHT FEET OF LED SIGN FACE.
AND THAT DOES THEN START TO AFFECT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT THESE SIGNS CAN DRIVE FOR THE ARCH DISTRICT AND FOR, YOU KNOW, US AS WELL.
WHAT'S THE SIGN, WHAT'S THE SIZE RIGHT NOW? UH, THIS ONE IS 660 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND I COULD ADD, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROPORTION OF THAT VERTICAL ELEVATOR SHAFT RELATIVE TO THE SIGN, IT IS ABOUT THE SAME.
IF WE MADE IT SQUATTIER, IT WOULD, IT WOULD THEN GET INTO THE AREA LIKE THE LAST GUY OR TWO OF THEM BEFORE WHERE IT JUST DIDN'T FIT.
I KNOW, BUT NOW YOU'RE COVERING UP THAT BAND THAT WE, THAT KIND OF, BUT THAT'S THE JUXTAPOSITION I TOLD YOU ABOUT WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARK SIGN IT, IT, IT TRAVERSES ALL THAT.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S HELD OFF AND IT'S DIFFERENT, IT'S NOT HEAVY, IT'S LIGHT.
IT PLAYS BY DIFFERENT RULES, IF YOU WILL.
UH, NOW THAT'S ONE SENSIBILITY CERTAINLY WOULD RESPECT IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE, BUT I WOULD, UH, NO EXPLAIN IT TO ME, BUT OKAY.
SO, UM, AND THEN ARE YOU COVERING IT UP OR WOULD, WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE THE BAND ON THE TWO SIDES OF THE SIGN? WELL, WE, WE
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CAN DO A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S COVERED WITH MESH, UH, ON THE SIDES.WE CAN INSET THAT AND REALLY SET IT OFF AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT.
LIKE NOT UNLIKE THE, THE, THE PARK SIGN, UH, BUT STILL ALLOW FOR VENTILATION IN THE BACK AND TO OBSCURE AND COVER ALL THE BRACKETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THAT PERFORATED METAL.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE DEGREE OF PERFORATION WE CAN GO TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DENSER OR SOMETHING MORE OPEN IF YOU WANNA SEE MORE OF A LIGHTNESS.
WELL, UM, MORE LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT.
DO WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT? I THINK WE DO.
UM, IS YOUR, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE, UM, SIDE OF THAT? FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT EDWARD, IT'S SCROLLING.
SO WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE, IS IT REALLY FRESH WITH THE BUILDING OR WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE THE BEND THAT COMES FROM THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AROUND AND THEN ON EACH SIDE OF THE SIGN, ON EACH SIDE HERE? YES.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT BAND ON, ON EACH SIDE.
ON THE 15 INCHES ON EACH SIDE? YES.
SO WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT EXISTING BAND.
SO I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING ONE ON THE TOP.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF A SIGN THAT IS NOT PERMANENT.
SO LIKE, NOW I DON'T EVEN WANNA GO THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN A QUESTION TODAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE APPLICATION.
I LOVE THAT YOU PROPOSED IT, BUT THEN NOW WE'RE MODIFYING HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS BASED ON THE, I KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TELL THIS SIGN, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT BILLBOARD.
SO HOW MUCH IS NOW THE DEATH YOU WENT FROM 48 INCHES TO WE WENT FROM THREE FOOT 10 INCHES TO TWO FEET.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS SIGN.
UM, IF YOU GO TO DRAWING FOUR, UM, I'M NOT, WHICH IS THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SCROLL HERE.
DETAIL THREE LED SUPPORT LEDGER.
THIS IS THE STRUCTURAL DETAIL OF HOW THE, YOUR DIGITAL DISPLAY IS GONNA BE MOUNTED.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL DETAILING THE, UH, SCREEN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING AROUND THE FRAME? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS ARE LONGER THAN YOUR LED DISPLAYS.
UM, WHAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, SIR, ARE LONGER? I'M WELL, THE DETAIL THREE.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A, A CUTOFF OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD BE.
UM, THAT WILL NOT BE MOUNTED AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S THE LED PANEL SHOULD CONTINUE ALONG WITH THE UPRIGHT, THE STRUCTURAL PORTION WILL NOT BE TALLER OR, OR LONGER TO THE GROUND THAN THE LED SIGN FACE.
SO DETAIL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO FOLLOW.
I, I BELIEVE, UH, NUMBER FOUR SHOULD HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SQUIGGLE BRAKE LINE.
UH, NUMBER THREE SHOULD HAVE LIKE NUMBER FOUR.
BUT, BUT NOW IF IT WAS CHAMFORD, LIKE THE, LIKE THE ELEVATION OR LIKE THE YEAH, LIKE THE ELEVATION.
IS IT, IT, IT WOULD DO THAT, WOULDN'T IT? UH, CHAMFORD WHERE SIR ISN'T THE, DOESN'T THE, IN ONE OF THE IMAGES, THE VIDEO SCREENS LIKE THIS AND THEN IT'S CHAMFORD, IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE, IT SHOULD BE SQUARE IN PERPENDICULAR TO THE GROUND.
SO THIS NOT, IT'S NOT, THAT'S A GRAPHIC DESIGNER'S DISCRETION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS SIGN? THERE IS ANOTHER ONE ON THE BUILDING.
CORY, UM, ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ARE THEY GIVEN A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY IF SOMETHING DOESN'T GET APPROVED TO, TO COME BACK AGAIN? OR ARE THEY TREATED LIKE EVERY OTHER CASE THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM? OR DO THEY GIVEN MORE TIME IF THEY'RE DEFERRED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, WELL, YES AND YES.
SO JUST LIKE ANY REQUEST FOR A COA, UM, IF IT'S DENIED, THEY CAN COME FORWARD WITH A REVISED PROPOSAL AND SEEK APPROVAL HERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
LET'S GO TO THE ONE ON THE LIST.
I, I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT, UH, RELATIVE TO YOUR COMMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANTE, THIS IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, SO THERE'S ONLY SO MANY SPOTS.
SO IF WE GET DELAYED, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT COULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WE MISS OUR OPPORTUNITY.
SO I DO WANT TO ADD THAT GRAVITY TO THE SITUATION.
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THAT YOU UNDERSTAND.SO THIS, THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE GARAGE BUILDING, AND THIS IS WEST FACING ON MARKET STREET.
AND HERE IS THE UP CLOSE, UH, SORT OF PROFILE GRAPHIC DESIGNER RENDERING OF THE SIGN.
ON THIS ONE, WE DID THE SAME AS FAR AS PROPORTIONALITY AND ALIGNMENT.
WE REDUCED THE WIDTH OF THE SIGN FROM 20 FEET TO 18 FOOT 10 SO THAT THE SIDES ALIGN WITH THE FRONT FACING, UH, TRIM PIECE OF THAT STUCCO TOWARDS THE TOP.
AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN IS ALIGNED WITH THE UPPER OPENING OF THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THE TOP OF THE SIGN IS ALIGNED WITH THE MORTAR JOINT ON THE STUCCO, UH, PANELING AT THE TOP.
HERE'S, UH, MORE OF A FRONT FACING RENDERING AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS LOCATION? I HAVE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GROUP,
DID YOU EXPLORE THE OPTION OF PUTTING THE SIGN IN BETWEEN THE TWO PILLARS? LET'S GO BACK TO THE, UM, ONE SLIDE OVER THERE.
THE, UH, IF WE WENT ALL THE WAY INSIDE THE TWO PILLARS, THAT WOULD MAKE IT 13 FEET WIDE, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A, MORE OF A, AND WHAT'S, WHAT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT? 13.
BY WHAT IF WE WENT TO THE FULL, UH, 6 72? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT IT WOULD BE AROUND 50 FEET.
AND, UM, HAVE YOU'VE SEEN APPLICANTS TODAY GONE 10 BY 20? LIKE THEY HAVE REALLY REDUCED THE SIZE.
SO I THINK THIS SIGN, UM, SO IT'S MORE ABOUT SIZE, NOT PLACEMENT.
AND THEN I THINK NOW GOING BACK TO TAKING ELEMENTS FROM THE BUILDING.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING YOU TALKED ABOUT, SO TOP OF BOTTOM OF THE THIRD ROW, SECOND ROW WINDOWS, AND THEN KIND OF THE PARKING GARAGE ON THAT ONE SIDE.
BUT HERE, DID YOU CUT OFF PART OF THE GARAGE? WHAT, WHAT'S BEHIND THERE? THE, UH, THE TOP OF THAT SIGN LANDS RIGHT IN BASICALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OPENINGS OF THE FIFTH FLOOR AND THE FOURTH FLOOR.
UH, SORRY, CAN YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF THIS WITHOUT THE BILLBOARD ON THE BOTTOM SIDE THERE'S LIKE A, A BIGGER OPENING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE WINDOWS STARTS FURTHER UP.
I THINK IT'S IN ACTUALLY IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.
SO ONE, ONE, IT'S THE OTHER FACADE.
SO AGAIN, UH, THE BAND IS KIND OF HIDDEN.
WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF, IS THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SIGN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE WINDOW.
YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A POINTER.
MAYBE YOU CAN JUST SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE YOUR SIGN IS NOW.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE SECOND OPENING.
SO BOTTOM OPENING BEING FROM THE GROUND WALL.
SO FLUSH WITH THATAM, I FLUSHING WITH IT.
AND THEN MAYBE EDWARD, YOU CAN FOLLOW WITH THE CURSOR.
YOU HAVE TO STAY BY THE MICROPHONE, SIR.
AND THEN THAT STUCCO LINE, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOTH WINDOWS, BUT IT'S AN EXISTING LINE.
AND AS I TOOK YOUR FEEDBACK AND WAS OUT THERE ON A SITE VISIT, I WENT WITH THAT MORTAR JOINT AS THE, UH, ALIGNMENT FOR THE TOP.
OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO INTO DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU NEED A SAVINO, I'D LIKE TO RUN UP THERE.
THIS IS, UH, UH, SIMILAR TO THE LAST, UH, UM, PROJECT, AND IT'S LIKE,
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UH, VERY EASILY PUT IN A, A COMMISSIONER BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.THE THIS, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FACADES AND THEY PRESENT TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS.
ONE IS CLEARLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MONUMENTAL, UM, COMMENT, PARKING LOT, FULL, FULL EXPECTATION FROM THE VIEWER THAT SOMETHING THERE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE THEIR BREATH AWAY.
AND, AND, AND TRADITIONALLY HERE WE WOULD PROBABLY SAY, OH, THAT'S WAY TOO BIG.
BUT, BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT OFFERS AND WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS GOING ON, THAT WE COME TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THE OTHER SIDE IS A, IS ALMOST A PETITE ENVIRONMENT THAT THAT REALLY IS LIKE THE FRONT YARD OF A HOTEL.
IT'S MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE SOFTER, BUT THE, BUT THE, THE ASSEMBLAGE, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED, THEY ARE THE SAME.
SO, SO BOTH SIDES ARE, ARE TREATED THE SAME WAY.
I, I WOULD, UM, UH, BE MORE INCLINED TO, TO ISSUE THE CHALLENGE.
THE SAME CHALLENGE AS THE LAST ONE IS TO SAY THAT ON THIS SIDE THERE'S ALMOST A, THERE'S, OH, THE SIDE THAT'S SHOWN, THERE'S ALMOST THE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO DO IT LIKE IN YOUR FACE.
THE OTHER SIDE IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT I WANNA BE TREATED INTENTIONALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE I'M DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE TWO SIDES ARE DIFFERENT.
SO I WOULD THINK THE OTHER ONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND, AND BECOME A PART OF THE BUILDING.
WHEREAS ON THIS SIDE, YOU ADDED THE LINE AND YOU, YOU, YOU ASKED THE BUILDING BECOME A PART OF THE DISPLAY, WHICH IS VERY, VERY SENSITIVE.
UM, SAM'S A EASY SELL, RIGHT? SO IT, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A COCA-COLA, RIGHT? I IMAGINE IF YOU PUT A COCA-COLA THERE MIGHT, UH, UH, CAUSE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REACTION, AT LEAST FOR ME.
BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEEN CREATED FOR THESE THINGS TO OCCUR.
I THINK THIS IS THE, THE, THE BALL KNOCKED OUT OF THE PARK FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT.
LIKE IF, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST, THIS ONE PRESENTS ITSELF AS LIKE, WOW, YOU GUYS GOT A REALLY NEAT OPPORTUNITY HERE, PARTICULARLY 'CAUSE OF THE SCALE THAT THAT IS ALLOWED.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO THAT OTHER SIDE, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING THAT SOMEHOW THEY'RE EQUAL.
YET, YET THEIR, THEIR TREATMENT IS EQUAL.
CAN YOU WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO AN APPROVAL ON AN A AND, UH, UH, CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT ON THE B SIDE.
AND, UH, AND I'M NOT THANK YOU.
I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S, UH, ACTUALLY I'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SES.
YEAH, JUST KIND OF TO REITERATE WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SIDE, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE MORE WARM AND A LITTLE MORE ACCEPTED.
THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
UH, YOU ADDED, MAYBE ADDED ONE ON THE TOP.
CAN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE PLEASE? THIS ONE SEEMS A LITTLE MORE INVASIVE.
YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT THE WINDOWS OR OPENINGS THERE.
THEY'RE KIND OF SET IN, UH, IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO COLUMNS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, I THINK THERE'S TWO BANDS THAT ARE COVERED, RIGHT? RIGHT ABOVE THE P THERE'S A BAND, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE ANOTHER ANGLE OF THAT, BUT THERE'S A BAND.
IS THAT A BAND? WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? A LEDGE? I CAN'T TELL.
IT'S A MOLD HEAD MOLDING LITTLE BAND.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT'S ABOVE THAT, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY, I THINK IT GOES UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE SIGN AS WELL.
SO I, IT, IT'S KIND AND THEN IT'S KIND OF OVERPOWERING THE OPENING THERE AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF PEEPING INTO HALF OF THAT, OR THE QUARTER OF THAT, OR HOWEVER MUCH OF A PERCENTAGE YOU'RE COVERING UP THERE.
SO THAT SEEMS A LITTLE MORE INTRUSIVE.
UM, AND, AND I WONDER WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, DO YOU, DO YOU SHRINK IT FROM A, FROM A HURT HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL TO KIND OF FIT IT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO COLUMNS? UM, YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE BANDS? SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL HYPOTHETICALS, RIGHT? I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT IT, TRYING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON IT, BUT I THINK I'M KIND OF MORE LEADING TO POTENTIALLY BEING BEHIND THE OTHER ONE AS OPPOSED TO THIS ONE.
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WITH MY COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ONE.THAT THE, UH, COMMERCE STREET SIGN, I THINK LENDS ITSELF TO SOMETHING AS LARGE AS YOU'VE SHOWN.
UH, YOU'RE RESPONDING TO WHAT'S THE CONTEXT, WHICH IS THE, THE BUILDING AND THE, THE STREET SCAPE.
UM, THE BUILDING FACES ARE CLOSER TOGETHER.
THE, THE, THE STREET SEEMS NARROWER AND THE LITTLE SLIVER OF THAT PARKING GARAGE IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH.
AND I THINK THE SIGN, EXCUSE ME, THE DIGITAL MEDIA AND ARTS ELEMENT SHOULD RESPOND TO THAT, UH, MORE APPROPRIATELY.
I THINK THAT THE SIZE OF THIS IS TOO LARGE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S OTHER DETAILS ON THIS, UH, PART OF THE FACADE THAT NEED TO BE, UM, ADDRESSED OR AT LEAST RESPONDED TO.
AND SO I COULD SUPPORT, UH, SOME SORT OF APPROVAL ON THE OTHER ONE AND POSSIBLY A DRC ON THIS ONE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, LOOKING AT THESE TWO, THEY BOTH HAVE, SHARE SOME ELEMENTS OF, UM, DESIGN ISSUES AS IT WERE PROPORTIONALLY, ESPECIALLY TO THE, THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TIME.
SO MY CONCERN LIES IN, UM, US DESIGNING IT FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? UM, AND GIVING TOO MUCH DESIGN INPUT, UM, THAT SHOULD COME ALREADY COMPLETED.
AND IF WE MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING THE PROPORTIONS RIGHT, THE INSET RIGHT ABOVE, BELOW THE BED COURSING RIGHT, WHATEVER.
THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE UP, UH, INDEFINITELY IS WHERE MY CONCERN LIES.
SO, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED TODAY.
AND THEN I'M GONNA MOVE ITEM NUMBER TWO TO A DRC.
AND THIS ONE I DID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU, YOU DID WORK WITH A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK WE TALKED MORE ABOUT THIS ONE THAN THE OTHER ONE.
WE DIDN'T GET SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY, SO I AM NOT ADDING A STIPULATION OF ADDING A BAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE ONLY THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT ON THE EACH SIDES WE STILL HAVE THAT BAND VISIBLE SOMEHOW.
IT, IF WE LOOK AT EDWARD, THE ORIGINAL, UM, PACKAGE ON PAGE SIX AND FIVE, I MEAN, THAT BAND GOES THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILDING, EVEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
YOU SEE IT WHERE THE STAIRS AND IT GETS INTERRUPTED, BUT THEN IT CONTINUES AGAIN.
SO KIND OF THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? WE HAVE A SIGN, BUT OKAY, WE HAVE STAIRS, BUT WE CONTINUED IT.
SO SOMEHOW JUST MAKE IT VISIBLE.
AND I DON'T WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THEN, UH, THE REASON FOR THE DRC ON THE SECOND ONE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS ONE, AGAIN, I'M NOT EITHER IN AN INTENT TO DESIGN.
I ALSO, BASED ON EVERYBODY ELSE AND THE APPLICANTS, I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN KIND, GOING BACK AND THEN LOOK AT IT.
IF THERE'S AN OPTION THAT YOU CAN, I THINK TAKE SOME OF THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE USED ON THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT FACADE AND, AND MAKE AND, AND TRY TO SEE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN WHAT'S EXISTING.
ARE THERE COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I'M STILL ON THE FENCE ON THE OTHER ONE, BUT I, I, I WILL SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOCATED DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD GO ON THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS, THEY CUT THEIRS IN HALF AFTER THEY LOOKED AT WHAT DOES THE BUILDING MERIT, RIGHT? SO I, I WOULD ASK IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, DON'T JUST SLAP THE BIGGEST SQUARE FOOTAGE OR KNOCK OFF A FOOT OR TWO AND SAY, I KNOCKED OFF A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A FOOT OR TWO, OR DON'T TRY, AND AT LEAST ON, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TRY NOT TO SELL IT TO ME AND SAYING, OH, WELL THIS IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THIS BIG.
THE BUILDING CALLS FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF, UH, UH, ARTISTIC APPROACH TO IT.
I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, WITH THE ONE THAT'S, UH, THAT I MENTIONED WAS A LITTLE MORE, UH, INTRUSIVE OR, UM, INVASIVE.
BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
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AYE.[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
AGENDA ITEM, WHERE ARE WE? 12.UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, TWO UPDATED PACKETS FOR THIS ONE.
UM, I'LL PULL BOTH OF THOSE UP NOW ACTUALLY.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION AS WE'VE BEEN DOING TODAY? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, THIS ONE WE'RE ON INDIVIDUAL, YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 4 5 4 12 EAST COMMERCE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL TWO DIGITAL MEDIA AND ART DIS ARTS DISPLAYS ON THE BUILDING AT FOUR 12 EAST COMMERCE.
UH, THERE'S A DISPLAY MEASURING 16 BY 42 AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND ANOTHER ONE MEASURING THAT SAME SIZE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UH, STAFF DOES STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER INSTALLATION ONLY THE NORTHEAST INSTALLATION IS VISIBLE FROM THE RIVERWALK AND SHOULD BE RELOCATED TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE DMA ORDINANCE.
UM, AND I WILL PULL UP THE UPDATED FILE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START THERE.
JASON PROFIT OUT FRONT MEDIA AND JAVI GONZALEZ WITH ARCHITECTURE.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
IT IS LOCATED ON WEST MARKET STREET AS WELL.
IT'S MORE ORIENTED IN A SOUTHWEST FACING MANNER.
IT ALSO FACES DOWN PREZA STREET.
UH, WE DID, UH, HEAR COMMENTS AND REVIEW AND WE, WE TOOK THEM INTO ACCOUNT AND WHAT WE, WE REDUCED THE DEPTH AND THE WIDTH OF THIS SIGN AS WELL.
AND WE TRIED TO ALIGN IT AS BEST WE COULD WITH THE OPENINGS OF THE GARAGE RAMP.
UH, THE DIMENSIONS WERE 42 WIDE, 16 TALL.
WE CHANGED THAT TO 16.8 TALL AND 39 WIDE SO THAT IT WOULD INSET INSIDE THE VERTICAL COLUMNS AND THAT THE VERTICAL COLUMNS WOULD BE VISIBLE THROUGHOUT, CONTINUOUSLY IN A VERTICAL MANNER.
AND THE IN SETTING OF THE SIGN WITHIN THE COLUMNS ALSO HELPS US REDUCE THE STANDOUT WIDTH BY A SIGNIFICANT MORE AMOUNT.
IT WENT FROM THREE FOOT 10 STANDING OUT TO TWO FOOT THREE INCHES.
NOW WE DO GET A NINE INCH INSET INTO THE, UH, PARAPET WALLS OF THE, UM, GARAGE RAMP.
UH, WE ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT AND ALIGNED THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THE SIGN WITH THE TOP OF THE FIFTH RAMP FLOOR, AND WE TUCKED IN THE LEFT CORNER WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH RAMP FLOOR OPENING AS WELL.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UH, IN THE LATE DOCUMENTS ON THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SURE.
UH, ON SIGN A ARE WE CALLING? YEAH, WE'RE CALLING THEM A.
OKAY, SO ON SIGN EIGHT, WELL, THE ONE SHOT, SO IT'S ME THAT, YES.
SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS.
I THINK YOUR GARCIA, I WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WOULD INTERFERE WITH ANY OF THE HISTORIC SIGNS.
SO BASICALLY WOULD LEFT BE LEFT OF THAT PILLAR AND TOMMY OR SLIDE BETWEEN ONE OF THE OTHER EXACTLY WHERE IT WILL BE? YES MA'AM.
THIS IS ALSO THE NORTHEAST LOCATION THAT STAFF IS NOT ING.
OH, THIS ONE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S VISIBLE.
SO THIS ONE IS, ARE YOU ALSO NOT, ARE YOU REMOVING IT FROM THE APPLICATION? NO.
YOU STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT IT TODAY? YEAH, IF YOU COULD EXTEND US THE SAME COURTESY YOU DID THE, THE PAST APPLICANTS WHERE YOU'D REVIEW AND APPROVE, UH, BASED ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN IF SOMEHOW, UH, THIS, WELL, PART OF THE PREVIEW IS ACTUALLY THE RIVERWALK, SO I THINK THAT ONE WILL ACTUALLY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
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I WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THE LEIDEN ORDINANCE CAME THROUGH, AND THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND ON THE RIVERWALK IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM VISIBLE ON THE RIVERWALK.UH, WE HEARD UP FROM THE, FROM THE DIOCESE, THEY MADE THIS, UH, DETERMINATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY IS, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMEONE'S GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND SO IF, IF WE CAN GET, IF WE CAN GET IT CONSIDERED ON EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IF IT GETS APPROVED, GREAT.
AND IF IT, IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PERMISSIBLE, WELL THEN WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
IF IT IS, HOWEVER, UH, AND I'LL GIVE YOU FOR INSTANCE, VISIBLE FROM THE RIVERWALK AND ON THE RIVERWALK OR DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK JEFF FETZER WAS ON THE COMMISSION, UH, WITH ME AS WELL, WHEN SAY SIGNS ON THE RIVERWALK, UH, LIT SIGNS HAVE TO BE 10 FEET INSIDE OF A BUILDING, BUT IF IT'S 10 FOOT ONE INCH, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
SO, SO SIGNAGE, ORDINANCE, I'M NOT WHEN YOU WANNA GO THERE AND START CONFUSING ANYBODY.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH SOME WORK.
I MEAN, IT IS VERY NEW TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK THE WORD STREET LEVEL, SORRY, STREET LEVEL AND ROAD WALK LEVEL ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE USING.
AND VISIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE USING AS PART OF OUR PURVIEW TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO FROM THE BEGINNING ACTUALLY ALSO WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE.
THE OTHER ONE, SO LET'S, SO TO THE OTHER ONE, WHAT CHANGES DID YOU MAKE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE CHALLENGE OF THE CURVE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE THOUGHT, CAN YOU TAKE CORNERS OF THE CONCRETE? YES MA'AM.
SO THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE SIGN, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IS TUCKED INTO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET WALL OF THE FOURTH LEVEL.
AND THE TOP RIGHT CORNER IS TUCKED INTO THE, UH, BOTTOM OF THE PARAPET OPENING ON THE FIFTH LEVEL.
OKAY, SO THE TOP RIGHT AND BOTTOM LEFT.
SO IT'S TANGENT AND THE WIDTH AGAIN, AND THE WIDTH WAS REDUCED BY THREE FEET.
UH, THOSE ARE 18 INCH COLUMNS.
SO WE BROUGHT IT IN INSIDE AND WE TUCKED IT IN IN THE DEPTH.
SO WE DID COME FROM THREE FOOT 10 STANDOFF TO A TWO FOOT, THREE INCH STANDOFF.
AND ARE YOU ABLE TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE PILLARS ON BOTH SIDES? YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS, UH, THE RENDER INSIDE THE, THE VERTICAL PILLARS AND OR COLUMNS ON THE LE ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS WELL.
IF YOU GO TO THE, UH, NEXT DRAWING KAILYN.
HERE AGAIN, UH, THE STRUCTURAL FRAME LOOKS TO BE LONGER THAN THE, UH, LED PANELS BOTH ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
THAT IS, UH, TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER, THIS IS KIND OF A RUSH TO GET THESE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS UPDATED.
SO THE INTENT IS THAT THE ABSOLUTELY COVERED THE FRONT, UH, ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL FRAMING WILL BE COVERED BY THE SCREEN THAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING.
THE FACE WILL BE COVERED BY THE LED SCREEN AND ALL THE SIDES AND BOTTOM WILL BE IN ENCASED IN THE PERFORATED MESH.
SO THE FRAME WILL NOT BE EXPOSED TO THE VISIBLE EYE FROM STREET LEVEL.
AND, UM, SO YOU'LL BE PROVIDING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS FOR THAT SCREEN FOR OHP REVIEW? YES, SIR.
UM, BOTH OF THESE SIGNS, WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ONE 'CAUSE THE OTHER ONE'S UNIQUE, UM, IS TECHNICALLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE WALKWAY, CORRECT? YES SIR.
THEY ARE TECHNICALLY, BUT, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE IN THOSE OPENINGS, IT WILL BE CORDONED OFF WITH, UH, SECURITY FENCING.
WHAT'S THAT CHAIN LINK? IT WILL BE, UH, PREFABRICATED RAILS, MOST LIKELY WITH THE STANDARD HANDRAIL DISTANCE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING.
WE DO NOT WANT ANYBODY INSIDE THESE AT ALL.
THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, IS KEEPING PEOPLES FROM REACHING OVER AND GETTING TO THE BACK OF IT.
UH, SO I THINK THAT IS A, A CRITICAL DETAIL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW BY, UH, STAFF AT LEAST.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. VELAZQUEZ? UH, MOTION TO GO INTO DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I WANNA SUBMIT TO COMMISSION THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION HERE, THE, THE DELIBERATION CONSIDERATION,
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AT LEAST FOR MY PART.AND, AND IT IS NO REFLECTION ON THE, ON THE DESIGN TEAM.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE CONVERSATION TO ME AT THIS POINT, UH, IS EVEN HARD TO TAKE, TAKE THE CONVERSATION EVEN BEYOND THE, WHAT, WHAT BECOMES POSSIBLY AN, AN IRREVERSIBLE NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE IN THE CULTURE OF THAT ENVIRONMENT.
SO AS WE, AS WE GO INTO THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN, IT'S AN AREA THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY PEDESTRIAN.
IT'S NOT AN AREA NECESSARILY OF TOURISM.
THEY'RE THE AREAS OF, OF PARKING AND THE AREAS OF, OF LOADING DOCKS AND THE CREVICES, UH, LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S THE PARTICULAR, UM, ART ASSEMBLAGE THAT NESTLES ITSELF IN, IN THE CORNER OF, OF, OF, UM, OF, OF TWO, TWO, UH, AREAS OF CONCRETE THAT, THAT IS QUITE COLD TO BEGIN WITH.
IT, IT STARTS WALKING INTO THE LAST VIEW SHED OF, OF A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
NOW WE KNOW THERE'S A NEW BUILDING GOING UP ACROSS FROM PALACIO, THE RIO AND THE TORCH OF FRIENDSHIP AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND, AND IT ALMOST ASKS US TO LOOK AT THAT ENVIRONMENT AS YOU APPROACH THAT ENVIRONMENT, AS AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.
THAT IT, THAT IT PERHAPS COULD LOOK LIKE A BROADWAY, UH, UM, UH, CENTRAL, CENTRAL, UH, UM, THE AREA OF NEW YORK WHERE ALL THE LIGHTS ARE TIMES SQUARE, IN WHICH CASE NOW YOU CAN SEE SAN ANTONIO RIGHT THERE IN TORTURE FRIENDSHIP.
AND THERE'S LED SIGNS EVERYWHERE.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THIS MASSIVE EUROPEAN AND, AND GLOBAL TOURISM THAT WANTS TO BE THE ALAMO FOR SOME REASON.
WHILE THE ALAMO IS ASKING EVERYTHING TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY REAL COMMITMENT TO THE TRANSFORMATION OF THAT ENVIRONMENT.
THAT IT'S EITHER EVERYTHING IS GRADUATING ITS WAY TO, TO THE ACCEPTING OF THE DIGITAL ENVIRONMENT, UH, CASE AT A TIME.
AND IN THIS ASPECT THAT PERHAPS THIS SAYS THAT THERE'S A RING OF, OF NO GO, NO FLY AND NO FLY ZONE HERE, TO ME, IT, IT, IT, LIKE, IT'S LIKE HITTING LIKE, AND I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S LIKE GETTING HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A STICK.
'CAUSE I'D NEVER FELT LIKE I CARED THAT MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO IT'S NO REFLECTION ON THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE PROPOSAL.
IT JUST IS REALLY ASKING FOR QUITE A COMMITMENT, AT LEAST FROM THIS COMMISSIONER TO ENVISION THIS AS, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS A NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE, A NEGATIVE ADDITION.
UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, LIKE SCARY.
AND, AND, AND MAYBE I'M JUST BACKWARDS.
I DON'T WANNA BE BACKWARDS, RIGHT? BUT MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR, UH, REALLY THE ON ON THE, THE CULTURAL ASPECT TO COMMISSION WHAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THIS REGION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
SO ON, UM, ITEM A, THE ONE THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING, DO I HAVE ITEM B? THE ONE, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 12 OF THE BIG PROPOSAL? SO CAN YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN TO ME, I MEAN, EVEN THE AERIAL WOULD SHOW THAT IT WOULD BE VISIBLE.
UM, AND IS IT THE AERIAL OR STAFF YOU TOOK THAT PICTURE BECAUSE YOU WENT DOWN ON THE RIVER LEVEL, THE PICTURE OF THE BLADE SIGNS? YES.
I, I WENT DOWN AND TOOK THAT PICTURE.
THAT, YEAH, ON THE PAGE 12, WE CREATED THAT EXHIBIT USING GOOGLE IMAGE.
AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY ALSO HAVE A PICTURE FROM THE RIVER LEVEL IN THAT PACKAGE SOMEWHERE.
WE'LL, AND, UH, UH, YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE.
PAGE FOUR, PAGE FOUR OF 80, PAGE FOUR.
JUST BASED ON HOW WE ARE INTERPRETING HOW WE DECIDED OR HOW WE'VE BEEN KIND OF BEEN GUIDED TO LOOK AT IT IS VISIBLE FROM THE REAR WALK.
SO IF I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY OF HIDING, RIGHT? SO,
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I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO MOTION, BUT I WOULD SAY I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE SIGNAGE PLACEMENT RIGHT THERE.UM, BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, I'LL FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE OTHER SIGN.
UM, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE CHANGES.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE COMING TO A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION.
YOU REALLY ALSO, THE OTHER SIGN, LISTEN TO HOW TO KIND OF JUST FIND A LITTLE BIT OF, LIKE A CORNER.
BUT THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT WITHIN THE PILLARS ON EACH SIDE.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING IN THE CORNERS AND AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, COMBINING A FEW OF THE CORNERS.
SO I MEAN, PER OUR PURVIEW AND NO PERSONAL OPINION OF WHETHER I LIKE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS OR NOT, WE'RE ALL ACCUSTOMING IT TO IT.
I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT HOW IT'S SUBMITTED TODAY WITH ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
THIS ONE AT THE, AT THE, UM, INTERSECTION, UH, OR THE, LET'S SAY THE NORTHEAST ONE FOR ME, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER VALESQUEZ HAD AND OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT VIEW FROM THE RIVER, HOW IT CHANGES THE SPIRIT OF THAT SPACE.
I THINK THE, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE SCALE OF THE SIGNAGE, EVEN EVEN THE PARKING BLADE IS VERY, UM, VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE KIND OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC YOU GET THERE.
NOW IN THE RIO, WE ARE TASKED, SH WE SHALL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE ALTERATIONS ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES NEARBY.
AND I SEE THE HISTORIC SIGNS, I SEE THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS THE HISTORIC RESOURCE OF THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.
AND NOTWITHSTANDING THE VIEW FROM THE THE RIVER, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A NO-GO ALSO.
SO I THINK THE, UM, THAT NORTHEAST SIGNAGE BILLBOARD IS A GO BY ME ALSO FOR THOSE REASONS.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA GET, I CAN'T GET BEHIND EITHER ONE OF THEM.
UM, FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED.
UH, I THINK IT JUST IMPACTS THE ENTIRE AMBIANCE OF THE ZONE AND, UH, I CAN'T GET BEHIND IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YOU HAVE MOTION? IF THERE'S NO OTHER YES.
COMMISSIONER, IS IT ALL RIGHT IF WE COULD RESPOND TO MAYBE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS? UH, YES.
BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, ARE YOU STILL IN DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR, IT'S APPROPRIATE CHAIR.
FEEL COMPELLED TO, UH, HEAR THE COMMENTS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON OR RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I'D CERTAINLY, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASTUTE COMMENTS.
AND I WANT TO REITERATE TO EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION THAT THIS IS, HAS BEEN A, A VERY MEASURED PROCESS.
THERE ARE VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF SIGNS, THE DENSITY AND SO FORTH.
UH, UH, AS MUCH AS SOME WOULD LIKE TO CHARACTERIZE THIS AS TIMES SQUARE, NO, NO, THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
AND I, I, I AGREE WITH, WITH THE THOUGHTS, UH, MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.
THERE'S A SPIRIT OF THIS SPACE.
WE HAVE THE TORTURE FRIENDSHIP, WHICH IS 60 FEET TALL.
WE'VE GOT 10, NINE AND 10 STORY PARKING GARAGES.
AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING FROM THE RIVERWALK, ANYTHING WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
I WOULD TEND TO THINK ANYTHING THAT WOULD ANIMATE THINGS AND BRING PEOPLE UP TO THE, TO THE STREET LEVEL AND BRING LIFE TO THAT.
UH, I'VE NOT, I'VE KNOWN MOST OF YOU AND KNOWN THE NOT TO BE SHY, AND CERTAINLY AT TIMES, TO BE BOLD.
THIS IS A TIME TO BE BOLD AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR APPROVAL.
AND YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO THINK OF TIMES SQUARE.
THIS IS VERY, THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, TIMES SQUARE, THE PROJECT THERE TOOK YEARS TO DEVELOP, RIGHT? TOOK YEARS IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
I EVEN WORKED ON IT WHEN I WAS UP NORTH.
I THOUGHT THIS ORDINANCE PROCESS HAPPENED PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS HAD BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR THREE YEARS.
THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
YEAH, WE, UH, FIRST, UH, STARTED, WE MET WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY.
WE MET WITH, UH, UMPTEEN, UH, GROUPS.
AND, UH, TO, TO PLEASE STAND UP.
UH, MATT, UH, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN, UH, HE, HE'S FROM HOUSTON, BUT HE'S BEEN IN SAN ANTONIO SO MUCH.
UH, WE'VE MET WITH ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE AND HAVE REALLY, AS I SAY, WE'RE, THIS IS VERY MEASURED.
WE HAVE REALLY SCALED BACK AND ADJUSTED TO THE SENSIBILITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, AND IT'S INTERESTING, UH, SAN ANTONIO HAS, ITS HAD ITS OWN TIMES SQUARE, SO TO SPEAK.
HOUSTON STREET, UH, AS I'M SURE STAFF, UH,
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WILL ATTEST, USED TO BE THE RETAIL, YOU KNOW, NEON LIGHT FLASHING, YOU KNOW, LIGHT THING.AND THERE, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF REMNANTS OF THAT LEFT, A COUPLE OF VESTIGES THAT IT USED TO BE INCREDIBLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD PHOTOGRAPHS, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS A, AN ADDITION, IT IS A PILOT.
SO, UH, IF YOU'RE BOLD, WE CAN SAY, YEAH, THAT WORKS, OR, AND IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, OR NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
LET'S NOT DO ANY MORE OF THAT.
UH, THERE, WELL, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE, WE WERE GIVEN A PRESENTATION A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT IT SAID THAT IT, THE END OF TWO YEARS, THIS THING GOES WHEREVER IT GOES.
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A DEEP RESPECT FOR, FOR YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL AND TYPICALLY OF THE ARCHITECTS THAT COME BEFORE HERE.
I HATE, UH, SECOND GUESSING ARCHITECTS IN THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE, I THINK.
BUT THERE, THERE, THERE'S A TRUTH TO THIS CIRCUMSTANCE HERE IS THAT THESE BUILDINGS EXIST ALREADY.
THEY WERE PLANNED VERY CAREFULLY TO BE WHO THEY ARE IN THE SPACE THAT THEY TAKE.
IF SOMEONE CAME TO US FOR SIX SIGNS, I KNOW THIS COMMISSION, THEY WOULD SEND THEM BACK AND ASK FOR A SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN.
THEY WOULD ASK 'EM FOR A SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN.
AND IF WE LOOK AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN, THEN PERHAPS ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IS TO LOOK AT HOW THESE THINGS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.
HOW THEY GRADUATE FROM HEIGHT TO STREET LEVEL, AND TO HAVE AN INTENTIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR THE PERSON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SIGNS IS WAY FINDING.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S ART THAT PERHAPS THIS HAS BEEN DONE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A, OF A LIVING GALLERY, AND, AND, AND YOU, I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND AND, AND WHO MY TEACHER WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE PLACEMENT OF MURALS, RIGHT? YOU COULDN'T GET BETTER.
THE THI THIS CIRCUMSTANCE PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL THAT HAVE ALREADY GAINED US APPROVAL OF THIS COMMISSION TODAY.
FOR MY PART, AS IT WALKS UP TO THE CENTRAL ELEMENT THAT BECOMES SYNONYMOUS WITH HISTORY IN DOWNTOWN WHERE IT'S NOT JUST, UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE INVESTED IN THE ALAMO, THAT THAT'S JUST THE ALAMO, BUT ALSO THE TEL AND, AND LATA, ALL OF THE INTERACTION AND THE HISTORIES OF SANTANA AND JIM BOWIE.
THIS IS, THIS, THIS BECOMES A, A DEPARTURE.
AND IT, IT PERHAPS THE, THAT THE ANSWER FROM A COMMISSION WOULD NOT BE NO.
BUT MAYBE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, NOT FROM Y'ALL'S POINT, BUT FROM THE POINT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
BECAUSE THEY DROP IT ON OUR LAP.
POINT OF ORDER, BECAUSE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ITEM ON THIS ITEM.
SO, SO THAT SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION.
AND, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, AND I'LL MAKE THIS VERY SHORT TO YOU, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY OF HAVING THIS DROPPED IN OUR LAP RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME.
MAY, MAY, MAY, I, MAY I SAY TWO, TWO SHORT THINGS.
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE, UH, EXPAT MEXICANO TURNED FRENCHMAN ARTIST, XAVIER RICHMOND, THE MAIN PLAZA CONSERVANCY, SAID, LET'S HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE LIGHT SHOW ON SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL AND PEOPLE S**T THEMSELVES.
I HATE TO SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
AND NOW IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER FROM FAR AND WIDE.
IT'S A, A, A POINT OF PRIDE, UH, PRIDE, UH, FOR A CITY.
THIS IS NOT UNLIKE THAT I, I, AND AND I IS THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE A LOT BRIGHTER THAN WHAT'S ON SAN FERNANDO.
WELL, THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE SEPARATE OTHER CATHEDRAL IS A FEAL.
THIS, IT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS FOR TWO YEARS IN A GUARANTEE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS THING AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE 'EM DOWN.
IT'S LIKE, NO, WE'RE GONNA DO THESE THINGS AND THEN TWO YEARS WE'LL REVISIT IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE REAL CONCERN IS.
AND IF, AND IF THE PROGRAM GOES AWAY, THESE SIGNS CAN STAY THE BRIGHTNESS AND THE, THE, THE HOPE IS, AND AND THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME, THEY ALL WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD AND BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THEY CAN DO TO MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE THEY WANNA SEE MORE OF IT FOR THEIR OWN REASONS.
BUT, BUT CERTAINLY IF IT'S A GOOD THING AFTER TWO YEARS, WE WANT MORE OF IT.
OR IF IT'S NOT, WE DON'T, THE BRIGHTNESS THING THAT, THAT'S A TUNEABLE THING.
SO, UH, I I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SCIENCE ON THE KNITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT, WELL, I KNOW THERE'S, UH, THERE, THERE'S A SCIENCE LIGHTING LEVEL REGULATIONS FOR TDO AND, AND IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
CAN I DO A MOTION? YES, A MOTION TO, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
UH, I THINK THEY WERE NUMBERED WRONG.
'CAUSE WE HAVE NUMBER THREE AND FOUR.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR NO, NO, NO.
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THE APPLICATION.SO I'M GONNA CALL IT ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR.
SO, UH, WE'LL KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT.
OR I'M GONNA ALSO, UH, SO MOVE TO DENY ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THIS NORTHEAST CORNER SIGN.
MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, AS PRESENTED TODAY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT, SO THE NORTHEAST CORNER, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IS PRESENTED TODAY HAS, IS VISIBLE FROM THE REAR WALK.
THIS GIVES YOU AN OPTION TO, IF YOU WANNA GO FURTHER AND UP THE RANKS AND, AND DISCUSS WHETHER IT'S REAR WALK VIEW OR NOT.
PER THE DISCUSSION TODAY, PER WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY, IT IS VISIBLE FROM THE REAR WALK.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH IT.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE NUMEROUS, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO IT, REALLY RELATING TO THE BUILDING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS IS WHY I WAS MOVING IT TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITH ADJUSTING THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
JUST WITH THE, ANY OTHER DISCUSS QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND, UM, TECHNICALLY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THIS ADDRESS IS LISTED AS A LANDMARK.
HAS THAT BEEN RESEARCHED? YES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
I KNOW IT'S AN ERROR, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ERROR.
THIS IS, I WOULD MAKE SURE OF THAT BEFORE THIS IS IN THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO NAY.
AND JUST AS A NOTE THAT IF ALL THREE OF THESE ON MARKET ARE APPROVED AND BUILT, THAT'LL BE THREE OF THESE SIGNS WITHIN THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS OF EACH OTHER AND TRAFFIC ON MARK MARKET IS GONNA GET WORSE THAN IT IS.
NOT A HAVING TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION.
UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 1 8 6 8 50 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO NUMBER ONE, REMOVE REAR DECK AND RAILING ALONG WITH TWO NON HISTORIC WINDOWS AND ONE HISTORIC WINDOW FROM THE EASTERN FACADE IN PREPARATION OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NUMBER TWO, CONSTRUCT A 520 SQUARE FOOT SIDE EDITION AND A 286 SQUARE FOOT REAR SCREEN PORCH TO EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND THREE, CONSTRUCT A 500 SQUARE FOOT, TWO AND A HALF BAY CARPORT LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR DECK AND RAILING INTO CONSTRUCT A REAR SCREENED IN PORCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT MEETS STANDARD, UH, SPECIFICATIONS.
UM, AND THAT THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE TO STAFF.
DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SIDE.
ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS, STAFF FINDS THAT ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS AND DESIGNS SHOULD BE EXPLORED, WHICH RESULT IN A FULLY SUBORDINATE ADDITION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
NUMBER THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 500 SQUARE FOOT, TWO AND A HALF BAY CARPORT AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT.
STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE PARKING LOCATIONS AND A CONFIGURATION THAT DOES NOT INTRODUCE A NON-CONFORMING PRESENCE ON THE LOT.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, THE ARCHITECT AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNERS HERE WITH US TODAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ADRIAN AZIGA WITH THE ZIGA ARCHITECTURE STUDIO.
UM, I THINK JUST THERE'S, AT FIRST GLANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT, BUT ONCE YOU START LOOKING INTO IT, THERE'S SEVERAL CONSTRAINTS, UM, IN THE SIDE AND HOW THE HOUSE IS LAID OUT THAT WE BELIEVE GARANT THE, UM, APPROPRIATENESS OF A SIDE ADDITION.
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IS A, UM, IT'S TWO LOTS.THE HISTORIC SETBACK IS PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGH THE BLOCK EXCEPT FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 50, 60 FEET FROM THE STREET.
UM, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LINES UP WITH THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES.
THAT'S HOW FAR IN IT'S SET IN.
UM, SO IF THIS IS, CAN YOU GO TO THE, THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE BACK ADDITION? NO, THAT'S THE SITE PLAN.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS DRAWING, WE HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S PRETTY, UM, FURTHER INTO THE, THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE AN EXISTING TWO-CAR CARPORT.
UM, THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT IS AN ORCHARD, THEY HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX, UM, FIVE OR SIX FRUIT TREES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED, UM, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE.
THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL HERITAGE TREES ON THE FRONT YARD THAT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK AROUND.
UM, ON THIS DRAWING, YOU CAN SEE, SO ORIGINALLY WE EXPLORED A REAR ADDITION BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS FOR SO FAR BACK WITH THE SETBACKS, OUR BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT IS VERY LIMITED.
SO ON THAT DRAWING YOU CAN SEE THAT HASHED AREA.
UM, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF WHAT THE ADDITION WOULD BE IF WE KEPT, UM, THE SAME DIMENSIONS OF THE ROOMS THAT WE, UM, ARE USING ON THE PROPOSED EDITION.
UM, THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS IF WE, BECAUSE THE BACKYARD IS SO LIMITED, IF WE BUILD IT A REAR ADDITION, WE'RE GONNA BLOCK THE WINDOWS ON THAT BEDROOM IN THE MIDDLE.
THE HOUSE IS ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM.
WE'RE TRYING TO ADD A MASTER SUITE.
AND, UM, WITH THE REAR ADDITION, WE WOULD LOSE ONE OF THE BEDROOMS. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY EGRESS TO IT.
UM, SO TO MAKE A REAR ADDITION WORK, IT WOULD REQUIRE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WORK TO THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE TO CONNECT TO THE ADDITION, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE THREE BEDROOMS HAVE AN EXTERIOR WALL TO PROVIDE, UM, EGRESS.
UM, IT IS A LOT MORE INVASIVE AND, UM, COSTLY THAN WHAT THE OWNERS, UM, WERE PLANNING TO DO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED THAT A SIDE ADDITION WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, GIVEN THAT VERY EXTENSIVE FRONT SETBACK THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS, UM, AS, AS FAR BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS WE COULD, UM, MATCH THE ROOF LINE ON THE EXISTING, ON THE, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, KEEP THE SAME PROPORTIONS ON THE WINDOWS, HAVE A DIFFERENT SIDING SO THAT IT'S CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS AN ADDITION.
AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, WE'RE PROPOSING A REAR PORT, A SCREENED IN PORT ADDITION IN THE BACK, UM, JUST SO THAT THERE ARE SOME USABLE OUTDOOR COVERED AREA, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY.
AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A, ORIGINALLY WE HAD A THREE CAR CARPORT WITH A GABLE ROOF.
UH, WE MET WITH DRC, THEY RECOMMENDED WE SWITCH IT TO A HIP ROOF INSTEAD AND REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT OF IT TO A TWO AND A HALF BAY CARPORT SO THAT IT'S, UM, SO THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS SMALLER, BUT ALSO SO THAT IT'S LESS INVASIVE ON THE STREET.
UM, THREE OF THE SITES ARE SCREENED SO THAT IT'S SCREENED IN FROM THE STREET.
UM, THE, THE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED CARDBOARD IS IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, BUT IT IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS SO FAR BACK, IT WOULD STILL BE BEHIND THE NEIGHBORING HISTORIC HOUSES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THAT, UM, DIAGRAM, UM, THEME.
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I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S, THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND HOW WE ARRIVE TO THE, THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE.UM, WE THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE VERY SPECIFIC AND, AND, AND, UM, INDIVIDUAL, UM, CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE.
SO WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN AGREE WITH US THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND APPROVE IT TODAY.
WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
HEL, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS NOW THE HOMEOWNER.
I'M, UH, ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, TO ADD WHAT ADRIANA SAID, UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER DRC RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS TO PUT FOLIAGE IN FRONT OF THE CARPORT TO, UH, MAKE IT, UH, LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND WE CERTAINLY, UH, ARE OPEN TO THAT AND WOULD WANT TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE, THE DESIGN.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, ADRIANA MENTIONED ABOUT REARRANGING THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, AND I KNOW IT REALLY DOESN'T FALL INTO THE PURVIEW, BUT THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE IS A LONGLEAF PINE, UH, BOARDING.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE INTERIOR AS IT IS 'CAUSE WE CONSIDER THAT HISTORIC IN TERMS OF ITS PART OF THE ORIGINAL 1950S.
AND LONGLEAF PINE, UM, IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AVAILABLE NOW AND IT'S A, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE INTERIOR.
UM, AND THAT REALLY THEN LEADS US, WE, WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD BASICALLY ONE MORE BEDROOM.
UH, WE, ALTHOUGH IT'S A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE AT THE MOMENT, THE BEDROOMS ARE VERY SMALL.
UM, AND WITH, UH, WE HAVE ELDERLY PARENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, COME AND VISIT.
AND WE HAVE A DISABLED, UH, SISTER AND WHEN SHE COMES, SHE SLEEPS ON THE SOFA.
'CAUSE BASICALLY WE HAVE A, WE HAVE OUR BEDROOM AND THE OTHER BEDROOM IS BASICALLY OUR CLOSET AND OFFICE.
AND THERE'S, WE, IT'S NOT WORKABLE.
SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THE ADDITION.
UNLESS YOU WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE, UH, PROOF TREES, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE DRC.
SO SOMEBODY SAID I HAD A GOOD FRUIT SALAD.
AND, UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WHIT HOWELL RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE.
UM, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE MET SEPTEMBER 12TH ON SITE AT THE PROPERTY.
AND THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS KNOW THIS PROPERTY WELL, OF COURSE, WE KNOW ALL OUR PROPERTIES WELL THERE BECAUSE OF A LACK OF REAR SETBACK AND THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A FAMILY'S NEED FOR SPACE AND DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS OF THE 100 YEAR, 1% FEMA FLOODPLAIN DURING RAIN EVENTS, NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY REPORT, A SWIFT RISE AND VOLUME AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING EAST DOWNHILL TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTIES AND THIS PROPERTY.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS? SO, UH, THE COMMITTEE SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR DECK AND RAILING TO CONSTRUCT A, A SCREENED IN PORCH WITH STIPULATIONS.
UH, THE COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT THE 2 520 SQUARE FOOT SIDE ADDITION TO BE LOCATED ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND THE COMMITTEE ALSO SUPPORTS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 500 SQUARE FOOT CARPORT AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR BY COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. CIGA.
SO THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TALKS ABOUT THIS, UM, WATER, UH, RUNOFF AND THE, THE NEED FOR SOME CAPACITY OF DRAINAGE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU, OR ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD TO THE SOUTH ON THE BACKSIDE? IS IT BECAUSE OF THAT WATER INCIDENT INCIDENT OR THE DRAINAGE? PARTIALLY, YES.
THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS ON THE FLOODPLAIN, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE PUT IT ON THE SITE.
UM, BUT YES, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO AVOID, UM RIGHT, RIGHT.
IT JUST BECOMES A, ANOTHER OBSTRUCTION IN THE YES, FLOODWAY.
YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU EXPLORED SEVERAL IDEAS ABOUT THE SIDE EDITION NOT BEING PLACED BEHIND.
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YOU EXPLORED ANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE CARPORT? THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD GET, WOULD HAVE TO, WE, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET RID OF THE ORCHARD.SO I MEAN THAT WOULD THE ONLY OPTION.
AND JUST AGAIN, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE ORCHARDS IS ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT? IT WOULD BE LIKE THE ORCHARD IS IS WAY DOWN THERE.
OH, THE ORCHARD IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE.
WHERE WOULD BE THE HOUSE? YEAH, WE PUSHED IT AS FAR BACK AS WE COULD.
AND SO SOME OF THE UM, THANK YOU.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WAS LIKE THE, UH, ADDITION.
SO TELL ME ABOUT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE PRIMARY.
HAVE YOU ADDRESSED ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS? IT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION OR ANY OF THINGS THAT COMMENT? THE STAFF COMMENTS WE HAVE YOU CHANGED ANYTHING IN YOUR PRESENTATION? UH, WE MADE CHANGES AFTER THE DRC COMMENTS, BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE CHANGES BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
SO, UM, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, WELL, I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO DISCUSSION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THANK TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I CAN DO A MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS OH YES, AS SOON AS I MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, UH, WITH REMOVING REAR DECK RAILING TO CONSTRUCT A REAR SCREED PORCH TO CONSTRUCT THE 520 SQUARE FOOT SIDE ADDITION LOCATED ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND TO CONSTRUCT A 500 SQUARE FOOT CARPORT AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT DO NOT CONTRADICT THE, UH, ELEMENTS OF THE MOTION I JUST MADE.
CAN I ADD SOME ONE STIPULATION TO THE CARPORT? YES MA'AM.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU BE OPEN IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE CARPORT BECAUSE IT'S FACING THE STREET.
I ALSO, I WOULD SAY I SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ALWAYS VERY APPRECIATIVE IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ACTUALLY BEHIND SOMETHING THAT'S BEYOND THE GUIDELINES.
UH, ON THE SOUTH OR EAST ELEVATION, WHICH ONE IS FACING THE STREET? UM, SOUTH OR NORTH.
CAN YOU ADD SOME WINDOWS, SOME FENESTRATION OR SOME DESIGN? IS IT JUST A PLAIN WALL? WHAT IS THERE ON THE CARDBOARD? IT'S A LATTICE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SIDE OF THE CARS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S TREES OR THERE'S GROWTH.
I MEAN, UM, CAN ANYTHING GROW ON THE LATTICE? CAN WE MAKE IT, HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S NOT TOO VISIBLE AND THEN ACTUALLY BECOMES AN ISSUE LATER? SO I WOULD SAY YES MA'AM.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU THE SOLUTION.
CAN THAT BE ADDED AS A STIPULATION? YOU BRING ONE OF THE PROS FROM YES, YES MA'AM.
ADDING THE STIPULATION THAT THE ELEVATION FACING THE STREET IE THE NORTH ELEVATION RECEIVE GREATER SCREENING TREATMENT THAN LATTICE ALONE SECOND STANCE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S BLEEDING HARD VINE THAT GROWS ALL OVER THE CHAIN LINK FENCE TO THE ORCHARD AND GROWS UP THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE COULD PLANT THE, THE LATTICE.
THE STIPULATION IS THERE, YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
SO IF, IF WE DO PLANT THE BLEEDING HEART, IT WOULD DO WHAT YOU SAY, WHICH IS COMPLETELY COVER THAT SIDE SO THE CARS WOULDN'T BE SEEN AND IT'D BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS SEEN FROM THE STREET RIGHT NOW.
DOES THAT HELP UH, UH, MOTION STIPULATION TO INCLUDE GROWTH OF, UH, VINES CIRCUMSTANCE? AND CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION ALSO IS THE STIPULATION TO THE ITEM ONE IS THE STANDING SEA MILL ROOF.
STIPULATE YOU'RE GOOD WITH THOSE? YES.
YOU DID ADD THAT STIPULATION? YES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR LISTENING TO OHP AND THE, THE, UH, DRC.
AND, UH, USING THE HIP ROOF ON THE CARPORT, I THINK, UH, REALLY REDUCES THE IMPACT ALONG THE, THE STREET FRONT.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
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PATIENCE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 24 9 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ON SITE TWO.
REPLACE WHOLESALE EXISTING WINDOWS ON SITE WITH A ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOW.
PRODUCT THREE, REPLACE SLAPPED FIBER CEMENT SIDING FEATURING A SMOOTH FINISH AND A FIVE INCH REVEAL.
AND FOUR, REPLACE AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A 12 FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ON SITE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D AND WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REOPENED THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS TO THEIR HISTORIC SIZES OR MAINTAIN THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WINDOW OPENING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO WHOLE REPLACE WHOLESALE THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON SITE BASED ON THE FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND E AND F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS FOLLOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE REQUEST TO INSTALL FIBER CEMENT LAP SIDING BASED ON FINDING A THROUGH C AND G WITH A STIPULATION THAT A REVEAL OF 4.5 TO FIVE INCHES BE MAINTAINED.
A WOOD LAP SIDING OR HISTORIC WOOD SIDING PROFILE WOULD ALSO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
AND ITEM FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO INSTALL 12 FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE, THAT THE FENCE BE LIMITED TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PICKLEBALL, COURTS PERIMETER AND FEATURES OF FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM NORTH ALAMO STREET PER UDC REQUIREMENTS.
AND TWO, UM, THAT THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE VIRTUALLY.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AS PER FINDINGS, E AND F, THAT THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED WINDOWS WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE PROPERTY AND HAD NOT REACHED HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED WINDOWS HAD BEEN INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS, AND AFTER THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA, THE APPLICANT INFORMED STAFF OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM, OR, I'M SORRY, ADDITIONAL TRIM TO THE NEW WINDOWS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL DEPTH AND PAINT THE WHITE PORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS, UH, TO BETTER TRY TO, UM, ADHERE TO STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE, UM, DOCUMENTS PROVIDED.
OKAY, JOHN, EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
UH, I WANNA START OFF GIVING A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT, UH, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ON MAY 27TH, 22.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ABOUT FOR THREE YEARS.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, PLANNING AND ACTUAL BUDGET, UH, BUT BEFORE 2022, WADE, ONE MOMENT.
WADE, DO YOU HAVE, UM, ARE YOU WATCHING THE, THE HEARING? ARE YOU WHAT? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR, CAN YOU LOWER YOUR VOLUME ON YOUR LAPTOP OR HOWEVER YOUR, YOUR WHATEVER SPEAKERS YOU'RE USING? OR DO YOU HAVE HEADPHONES IN? CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER? YES, THAT SOUNDS BETTER.
UM, UH, UH, SO WE STARTED THIS PROJECT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, BUT BEFORE THAT, BUT BEFORE THAT, WE, UM, WE BOUGHT THIS, UH, UH, PROPERTY FROM, UH,
WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS, UH, HE WANTED TO DEVELOP A BREWERY HERE, AND, UH, IN 2022, WE SOLD IT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE ECONOMIC COST OF THIS PROJECT WAS A LOT.
UH, I THINK FOR ME, UH, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF, OF, OF WHAT IT TAKES.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON SOME OF THE NEXT FEW SLIDES THAT WE WENT, THE NINE REVISIONS WITH THE CITY, UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH GOING BACK AND FORTH WHAT HISTORICAL WANTS AND WHAT DOES THE IC CODE WANTS, AND WHAT DOES THE FIVE CODE, UH, ALLOWS US TO DO.
YOU KNOW, THIS PREVIOUSLY IS A HOUSE, UM, AND A HUNDRED YEARS LATER, WE'RE TRYING TO CONVERT THAT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN IS PROBABLY QUOTE, FIRST AND FOREMOST IMPORTANT.
AND SO WITH THAT DESIGN, WE HAVE TO, UH, DESIGN WITH THE, WITH THE INTEGRITY
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OF, UH, PER SQUARE FOOT, A THOUSAND POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT.SO THE ENGINEERS, UM, HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTS SO THAT WE CAN DESIGN IT IN AN AESTHETIC PLEASING WAY TO PRESENT TO, TO, TO, TO HISTORICAL AND KEEP, UH, UH, THE LOOKS.
UM, UH, SORRY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UM, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WHOLE VISION FOR THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST TO STICK WITH THE PRESIDENT BY YOU GUYS ACCEPTING MY WORK, UM, AS SOMETHING LIKE, OH, NO.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, APPROVE IT FOR EVERYONE.
UH, IT'S BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS.
UM, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS HOUSE IS BASICALLY FALLING APART, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE'S, THREE INCHES.
UM, TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, UH, TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE ITEMS. THE REASON WHY WE, UM, UH, THE REASON WHY WE, UH, DECIDED TO DO LAPSE SIDING IS BECAUSE OF THE COST.
UH, AS YOU KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING, WHATEVER THE MATERIAL COST IS, IT'S USUALLY DOUBLE THAT AS THE LABOR, OR AS MUCH AS, AS, AS A, UH, I'M SORRY, IS THE AMOUNT OF LABOR.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING COSTS 10,000, THE LABOR WOULD COST 10,000, SOMETIME 15, 20,000 JUST FOR THE LABOR.
SO YOU SEE HOW IT CAUSES, I THINK, FOR ONE OF THE ITEM, UM, UH, THE LAP SIDING.
WE GOT A QUOTE FOR THE LAP SIDING, WHICH IS ABOUT 10,000, UH, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE THE TRIM.
UM, WE GOT A QUOTE, UH, BACK FROM THE, UH, BURRITO AT THIS EXACT PROFILE WITH A FIVE INCH WHEEL HAS TO BE CUSTOM MADE.
AND SO FOR US, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE.
AND THIS IS JUST THE MATERIAL.
I, I, I DID NOT EVEN GET A QUOTE FOR, UM, JUST THE INSTALLATION, BUT I DID GET A QUOTE FOR THE EVERYTHING FOR THE WIND, FOR THE DOORS AND SIDING, AND THEN FINISHED OUT SOME OF THE TRENDS.
IT WAS 52,000, AND I JUST GOT THAT AS OF YESTERDAY, UH, THAT I DID NOT PRESENT TO, TO, UM, MR. BRIAN.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE COST KITS ARE VERY, UH, UH, UH, COSTLY.
MY, MY SECOND THING IS THE WINDOW.
SO, UH, BRIAN DID PUT A STOP ORDER ON THIS, WHICH I, I HAVE TO RESPECT, AND, AND I, I'M GLAD HE DID BEFORE MY BROTHER, WE DID PURCHASE THE WINDOWS THAT WAS ECONOMICAL AND THE REASON WHY WE PURCHASED IT, 'CAUSE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WAS THREE FEET BY SEVEN FEET, AND THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'RE REPLACING IS THE THREE FEET BY SEVEN FEET.
AND WE WANTED TAKE IT DOWN TO THREE FEET AND SIX FEET.
UM, UM, SO, SO, MAY I SAY THIS WITHOUT, UH, OFFENDING ANYONE, I JUST, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T, IT HAS THAT HIGHER LATENCY OF HEAT AND, UH, UH, THAN, THAN VINYL.
UM, UM, IF, IF I WERE TO SAY THIS IS ENERGY EFFICIENT, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, USE SOMETHING THAT HAS A THERMAL BREAK.
UM, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, THAN THE SIZE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING UP THIS PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS, UM, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, A LOT OF IT IS REALLY OFF MISSED, OFF PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOR HISTORICAL, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE GRANDMA'S HOUSE.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS GONNA BE A BAR, AND THE NAME OF THIS BAR IS YAYA'S HOUSE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT FUN.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE EVERYBODY COMES THERE AND HAVE GOOD TIME.
AND I DON'T THINK THE CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, THAT WINDOW'S OFF.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW FROM OPERATING BAR IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS IS THAT, OR TENDS TO, UH, HAVE HIGHER BREAKAGE.
UH, THERE WAS THREE WINDOWS AT THE, THE TOP WE DECIDED TO KEEP, UM, WHICH IS WINDOW, UH, 2 0 8, 2 0 9, AND T 10.
AND, UH, BRIAN, IF YOU CAN SHOW ONE OF THE PICTURES FROM THE INSIDE, SEE IN A BAR BUSINESS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA KICK IT.
UH, THE BEST ANALOGY, UH, THAT I CAN GIVE YOU, UH, THAT THERE WAS THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE, BRIAN, YOU PASSED IT, UH, IS, IS IF THIS WAS THE ALAMO, AND I'M MUST SAY THIS IS, IF YOU TREATED IT LIKE THE ALAMO, YOU DEFINITELY, FOR SURE.
AND, AND THEN IF WE HAVE A THOUSAND CUSTOMERS PER WEEKEND, THAT WINDOW IS GONNA GET BROKEN.
SO IT BECOMES VERY, UH, UH, COSTLY FOR ME AS AN OWNER.
SO ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS DO IS I ALWAYS PUT
WHAT I DID DO, THOSE WINDOWS LIFTED OFF AT LEAST 12 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING IN, IN, IN WHAT I'M DOING.
WE ARE USING THOSE HISTORICAL WINDOWS, BUT THE OTHER THAT ARE THREE BY SEVEN, WE'RE ASKING TO GET 'EM REPLACED.
ALL OF THEM SITS ANYWHERE FROM 12 INCHES TO, TO, UH, WELL, THEY SIT 12 INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND AND THEY STAND SEVEN FEET.
AND THEN WE HAVE CLEARANCE FROM ABOUT FOUR FEET.
UM, SO WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M MOVING THE WINDOWS UP BY TWO FEET.
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UM, AND THEN WE ADD SIX FEET FOR THE WINDOWS.SO IT'S SIX RIGHT AT EIGHT FEET, UH, UH, AND WHICH IS THE SAME, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS ALL THE WINDOWS.
AND SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON FROM, UH, UH, WHAT WAS, UH, A PROOF IT, IT, CAN YOU SHOW THE SLIDE, UH, THAT IT WAS APPROVED, UH, WHICH IS A 5 0 1.
SO THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY.
AND IF WE CAN FAST FORWARD TO THE APPLICATION DEEPER, THE NEW WINDOWS, IF STAND FROM FAR, I DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, SOME MIGHT ARGUE, AND IF YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY MAY ARGUE, BUT I DO HAVE OTHER, UH, STRUCTURAL PROBLEM IN WHICH WE HAVE TO CIRCUMVENT, WHICH IS THE VENTING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OTHER TOOK PLACE, THE BAR THAT IS NOT ON THE BUILT.
SO EVERY SIGN OF THIS HOUSE HAS A BEEN BUILT.
UM, THE ONE PLACE THAT WE WANTED TO PUT THE BAR, UH, IS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, WHICH IS, UH, VIEW THREE AND VIEW, WELL, IT'S PRACTICALLY VIEW THREE.
AND AT THE TOP OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WINDOW 2 0 2, 0 6, AND 2 0 7, WE WENT AHEAD AND RAISED THAT UP TO 48 INCHES.
AND, AND THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE IS STILL YOUR, UH, THREE BY SIX.
WE STILL MAINTAIN THE, UH, INSTEAD OF THREE BY SEVEN, WE WENT AHEAD AND MAINTAINED THREE BY SIX.
AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO GO FOUR FEET IS THAT THE VENT, ALL YOUR STACKING OF THE VENTS HAS TO GO UP THAT JUST DO FOURTH TURN.
UH, IT WOULD BE VERY ACCOUNTING TO, FOR, TO GO AROUND THE WINDOWS AND THEN, UH, UH, CONNECT THAT TOP.
AND I WISH I HAD A PICTURE OF THE INSIDE.
THESE WOOD ARE VERY HARD TO DRILL THROUGH.
THEY'RE, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT.
UH, MOST OF THEM ARE 12 INCH INTRO CENTER, EIGHT INCH INTRO CENTER, 16 INTRO CENTER, 24 INCH INTRO CENTER.
EVERYTHING THAT WE USE IS, UH, IT'S, IT JUST, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO REALLY DRILL THROUGH.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THOSE WOODS, IT'S JUST TAKING A LOT.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AS BEST AS WE CAN TO, UH, TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER.
MEANWHILE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLYING WITH HISTORICAL, UM, JUST ONE SECOND.
I DID GET ALSO ON ANOTHER NOTE, UH, UH, WE GOT REALLY LUCKY.
UM, I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET BILL, WHO WAS THE OWNER OF EAST SPRINGS.
HE WALKED THROUGH THIS PROPERTY WITH ME, AND HE IS, OH, LOOK AT THAT.
THAT'S WHERE MY GRANDMA, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VERY REAL SHE WAS BORN IN.
UM, YOU GUYS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF DOING THIS.
I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE GONNA DO THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES ME INSPIRATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DO EVERYTHING BY MYSELF.
UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH FIVE OTHER GUYS.
UH, MY PLUMBER HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
IT'S NOT LIKE I, I'M A GC TO WHERE I CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, DELEGATE THIS AND HAVE A HIGH BUDGET.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING AT THIS AND SAVING AS MUCH AS I CAN.
I HOPE THAT YOU CAN, UH, UH, UH, HELP ME TO APPROVE THIS.
UM, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING SINCE APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
IN THE LAST, UH, PROBABLY SIX WEEKS.
WE'VE BEEN GOING TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, TO MEET, OR OCTOBER 31ST DEADLINE IN THE BAR.
THIS IS HALLOWEEN IS ANOTHER HER BIGGEST DAY.
UH, I'VE WAITED ABOUT A COUPLE WEEKS FOR THIS REVIEW, UM, IN HOPES THAT TO WALK AWAY WITH AN ANSWER, UH, IF IT IS A DENIAL, AND IF YOU, UH, UH, A DENIAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SOLUTION AND I GREET ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS, PUT THE, THE EXACT WINDOW IN, UM, OR OTHERWISE APPROVE IT TO HELP ME OUT.
UM, YOU HAVE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE TO PUT THESE WINDOWS IN BEFORE I CAN FIRE OFF IT.
'CAUSE ALL THESE WALLS ARE, ARE, ARE FIRE RATED, UM, AND I HAVE TO SEAL THE PROPERTY, GET THAT INSPECTION, AND THEN I CAN'T BUILD A SIDING FROM TOP DOWN.
UM, AND THE PROFILE THAT THEY HAVE IS FROM JAMES HARDY, THE EXACT ONE INTERVIEW SIX AND QUARTER WITH THE ONE AND QUARTERS BACK.
AND THE REASON WHY JAMES HARDY MAKES THIS IS THEY UNDERSTAND ACROSS THE NATION THERE ARE HISTORICAL HOUSES.
AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING WOOD, WHICH WILL ROT, AND I HAVE PICTURES OF, OF, OF THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DAMAGE.
NOT YOU GUYS HAVING, UH, BRIAN, CAN YOU SHOW SOME DAMAGE, UH, DAMAGES THAT WERE, UM, IN THE, UH, IT'S IN THE FOLDER.
SO THOSE ARE PICTURES OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UH, EVERY TIME I GET A BID FOR THIS, IT'S, IT'S JUST OUTRAGEOUS.
AND, UH, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS WORK.
AND I'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR AND I'M TO THE
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POINT TO WHERE I WANT TO GET THIS DONE, BUT ALSO, MEANWHILE DO IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.UM, UH, THERE'S MORE PICTURES OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AROUND THE WINDOWS.
WE HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM, UH, TWO BY FOUR, WHICH IS ONE AND A HALF BY THREE AND A HALF.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO, WE HAVE TO OFFSET IT AND WE HAVE TO ADD ON ANOTHER HALF INCH LAYER ON THE INSIDE.
UH, MEANWHILE BEING ABLE TO PUT THE FIRE RATED INSULATION WITH THE FIRE RATED SHEET ROCK.
AND SO BACK TO MY POINT IS IF YOU GUYS WOULD, WOULD, WOULD APPROVE THE WINDOW, UH, UH, THAT I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, AND I KNOW IT'S, IT'S FROWNED UPON THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY DID IT AND WE HAVE STOP ORDER.
UM, ON PURPOSE, IT'S
UM, AND SO, YEAH, UH, MOVING ON.
UH, SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT MY NOTES.
MR. WYNN, THIS IS, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CEMENT FIBERBOARD SIDING WITH THE, UH, LAP SIDING, UH, EITHER THAT OR A WOOD LAP SIDING.
SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT STIPULATION.
UM, YEAH, AND, AND I, I HOPE YOU GUYS EXCUSE THE UNPREPAREDNESS AS WE'RE ALSO RUSHING IN TO GET THESE DONE FOR YOU GUYS, AND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS.
UM, SO ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER THREE BEEN BACKED.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLANS, UH, I, I DIDN'T
WADE, WADE, CAN YOU HEAR US? THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST IN THE FINAL STRETCH, WADE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLOSE IN AND, UM, GET THE OUTSIDE DUCT.
UH, WE'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE WINDOWS RESTRICTION AS FAR AS THE SETBACK OF TWO INCH.
AND THE TRIMS, THE ONLY, UH, UH, DIFFERENCE IS THAT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL WINDOWS IS VINYL.
UH, IT HAS GRILL, WHICH DIDN'T MEET THE HISTORICAL.
UM, SO WE, WE, ANY OWNER THAT WANTS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COPY IT, WOULD NORMALLY JUST COPY IT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD THINK THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE BY, BY HISTORICAL, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I'M ASKING FOR
UM, SO THERE ARE, AS FAR AS BRIAN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO ADDRESS AS FAR AS THIS RIGHT HERE? I'M SORRY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FENCING, UM, WE DID GET APPROVED FOR THE 12 INCH FENCING, UH, BECAUSE IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT THAT WE'RE HAVING.
UM, WADE? YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR US? I HAVE FOR NOW.
WADE, CAN YOU HEAR US? TURN YOUR SPEAKER BACK UP.
WADE, CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU SHOW ME CLOSER? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN'T SEE THE SPEAKERS.
YOUR SPEAKERS ON THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO OF THE FOUR STIPULATIONS, ITEM THREE AND FOUR, YOU'RE OKAY WITH WHICH IS, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CEMENT FIBER BOARD SIDING, LAPSE SIDING, UH, WITH THE, UH, STIPULATED REVEAL, OR IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WOOD LAP SIDING, THAT WOULD ALSO BE, UH, APPROVED.
AND THEN, UH, STIPULATIONS FOR THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
YOU'RE GOOD WITH THOSE TWO UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, CORRECT? YES.
SO THE TWO ISSUES THAT ARE STILL ON THE, ON THE TABLE ARE THE SIZE AND LOCATIONS OF THE EXISTING OR THE HISTORIC OPENINGS, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS, AND THEN THE TYPE OF WOOD WINDOW ITSELF, CORRECT? UH, YES.
THE EXISTING WINDOW, IT'S FOUND OUT.
UH, WE'LL NOW GO TO QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION.
I HAVE JUST, SO ARE WE CORRECT ON ITEM THREE, BRIAN? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SOME IF STUCCO REMOVAL THAT WAS NOT, THE STUCCO WASN'T ORIGINAL.
AND UM, REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT IS LEFT THAT WE DON'T ALSO THINK IS ORIGINAL IS ABOUT A FIVE INCH LAP SIGHTING.
AND SO WE ARE SAYING THAT A SMOOTH FINISH, HARDY
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THAT CAN BASICALLY REPLICATE THAT APPEARANCE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT IS WHAT HE ALSO WANTS.SO WE'RE GOOD? YES, WE GOT THERE ON THAT ONE.
OKAY, SO FOUR AND FIVE, SO CORRECT.
AND ARE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS STILL ON PROPERTY? UM, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO, UH, THERE WAS NO HISTORIC WINDOWS LOCATED ON THIS PRIMARY FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AT SOME POINT WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED WITH VINYL.
AND SO THE APPLICANTS RETAINED, UH, THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED WINDOWS.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF, SO NO STRUCTURE, NONE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS WERE EVEN BEFORE HE PURCHASED IT? CORRECT.
AND SO WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING IS, IS THAT, UM, SO BASICALLY IT'S THE OPENINGS, THE THE OPENINGS, BUT ALSO TO, UM, STAFF'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT WINDOWS RETURN, WINDOW OPENINGS RETURN TO THEIR HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOWS THAT MEET.
SO LET USE THAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THERE A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, BUT YOU WANT THE DIVIDED LIGHTS GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE OR JUST SO RIGHT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MATCH THESE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR YEAH, BUT ON THAT WINDOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S UP THERE ON THE RIGHT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE THE FOUR DIVIDED LIGHTS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES.
COMMISSIONER VELASCO, UM, UH, TO STAFF, WHY, WHY IS THIS COMING BEFORE US? 'CAUSE IT'S A VIOLATION VERSUS THE CTA AND, AND INSIDE OF IT.
HAS THE, HAS THE THE APPLICANT BEEN ADVISED OR GIVEN AN OPTION FOR A MOTION, FOR A, FOR A, UH, HEARING TO REMOVE, UM, UH, LANDMARK SIGNIFICANCE OR, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S BEEN A, A WHOLE LOT, IT'S A SHELL AT THIS POINT.
WHY IS THE, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR REMOVAL OF LANDMARK, OF LOSS, OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY OR WHAT, HOWEVER YOU PUT IT? UM, YES.
I MEAN, ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN INITIATE A ZONING REZONING REQUEST.
UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
THAT'S GONNA BE A GOOD USE OF HIS TIME AND RESOURCES, EVEN WITH, EVEN WITH THE VERY OBVIOUS SHELL THAT IT'S BECOME, 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT WAS THERE, BUT THAT'S HIS, THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S WORK.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE CITY HAS A, COULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION IF IT CHOOSES TO, TO PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH THE BEST DIRECTION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THAT APPLICANT.
WELL, I'LL SAY COURTESY, I THINK WE'RE CLOSE.
THERE WERE A FEW ITEMS AND WE'RE DOWN TO REALLY JUST WINDOWS ON THIS PROPERTY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GET ONTO DISCUSSION.
YES, PLEASE APPROVE ALL ITEMS WHILE STIPULATIONS.
SO THIS PROPERTY, I, AND WAIT, I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE MODIFYING THE FRONT PORCH AND EXPANDING IT, AND YOU GUYS DID A HELL OF A PRESENTATION LIKE ONE OR TWO YEARS AGO.
AND I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
FRONT PORCH EXPANSION WAS SO WELL DONE AND SO WELL PRESENTED.
SO I'VE ADMIRED THIS PROJECT FROM DAY ONE.
SO, UM, UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURES OF THE WINDOWS.
SO THE, SORRY, THE DRAWINGS OF THE WINDOWS.
SO THERE'S, THIS IS THE NEW REQUEST AND YOU CAN SWIPE BETWEEN ONE OR THE OTHER.
WHAT I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT IS THE LONG WINDOWS, RIGHT? THE ELONGATED WINDOWS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, FIRE CONSTRUCTION.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK SOME OF IT IS EXEMPT, BUT I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THERE'S AN, IF THERE'S A LEGALITY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THOSE LONG WINDOWS FOR AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, AS I SEE IT, ALL WINDOWS SHOULD FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THE OPENINGS, ORIGINAL OPENINGS, WHICH WAS ALSO IN THE INITIAL PROJECT AND SHOULD ALSO BE REVERSED TO KIND OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE LOOK AT.
IF THERE ANY WINDOWS THAT BECAUSE OF COMPLIANCE, A DA COMMISSIONERS DO WE, DO WE NEED TO GO THERE?
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OKAY.SO IF THERE'S ANY WINDOWS THAT NEED TO BE MODIFIED OPENINGS BECAUSE OF A DA OR BECAUSE OF LEGALITIES OF COMPLIANCE OR FIRE, I'D SAY YOU COME BACK OR TO STAFF.
'CAUSE IT IS RIGHT NOW, I THINK ALL SHOULD BE, UM, REVERSED TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS? YES, THERE ARE, UM, LEGALITIES.
UH, HOW CLOSE CAN THE GLASS BE TO THE FLOOR, UH, WITHOUT IT HAVING TO BE SAFETY GLASS? UH, THERE ARE, UH, GUARDRAILS THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOWS.
SO, UH, BECAUSE OF WINDOWS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE FLOOR, THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE, UH, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION BY MODIFYING, UH, WHAT GETS INSTALLED.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THE WINDOW OPENING, SOME OF THE WINDOW OPENINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED, UH, TRYING TO, UH, GET IT TO MEET CODE, BUT THERE WERE OTHER WAYS TO MEET CODE AS WELL.
UH, KEEPING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SIZES AND LO UH, HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE FLOORS.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? ARE YOU, UH, COMMENTS FROM ME OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? OH, I ABSOLUTELY DO.
SO BAR IMAGINE, UH, BEING IN A BAR SETTING AND THEN THE WINDOW'S THAT ONE FOOT BELOW, HOW DO YOU OPERATE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WINDOW RIGHT THERE? I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT, THAT IS FEASIBLE.
AND I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE A HUNDRED YEARS LATER, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE A BUSY BAR.
I DON'T WANT BE REPLACING THE WINDOW.
WHO'S GONNA BE REPLACING THAT? SO COMMISSIONER FETZER, IF, IF THE WANTS WE'RE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE NOT IN RESIDENTIAL, THE APPLICANT COULD GET A CONSULTATION WITH STAFF TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE TO YES.
UM, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMPLIANCE OF THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS SUGGESTING 2 0 1 AND 2 0 5 2 0 6.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT BE, BE GIVEN A REAL CONSULTATION ON JUST THAT OPTION TO, TO HAVE THE, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION REMOVED.
BECAUSE JUST LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, HIS MAIN OBJECTIVE IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT.
HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ARE ASKING HIM.
AND BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO THAT BUILDING, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IT'S MIGHT BE A LONG SHOT, BUT HE MAY HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING, UH, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION TAKEN AWAY, IN WHICH CASE HE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO ABIDE BY, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE, I'LL JUST HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, JUST WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AS THE APPLICANT WORKS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON CODE RELATED ISSUES, WE'RE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THOSE AND WE WILL, WE WILL TWEAK AND ADJUST AND SEE HOW WE CAN MEET THE INTENT OF THE ACTION TODAY.