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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS, UM, HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR WEDNESDAYS, OCTOBER 15TH, 2025.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEETS.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF ORAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TO TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE.
UM, WE JUST HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT STAFF WANTS TO MAKE.
UM, WE HAVE AN EVENT THIS WEEKEND COMING UP AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMA INFORMATION THERE.
UM, IT IS A PICNIC IN A MOVIE ON SATURDAY NIGHT IN THE EAST SIDE CEMETERIES, OUR HISTORIC CEMETERIES ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, AND SO THIS IS A FREE EVENT.
WE'RE GONNA BE SCREENING COCOA IN HONOR OF DIO DE LOS MARTOS.
UM, BUT IF YOU COME EARLY, THERE'S A SCAVENGER HUNT, THERE'S AN RENDA.
UM, AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE CITY'S CONSULTANT FOR THE, UH, CEMETERY'S MASTER PLAN THERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN THAT PROCESS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THIS ACTIVATION OF THE CEMETERY IS PART OF OUR ONGOING CEMETERY STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM, UM, WHERE WE TRAIN VOLUNTEERS ON, UM, MAINTENANCE AND, UM, STEWARDSHIP OF OUR, OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE CEMETERIES AND HEADSTONES.
UM, AND SO IF YOU WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT PROGRAM, THIS IS ALSO A GOOD, GREAT WAY TO GET INVOLVED.
AND SO YOU CAN FIND THIS AT ESSAY SPEAKUP.
UM, IF YOU JUST SEARCH THE PICNIC AND MOVIE TITLE OR GO ON FACEBOOK, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND IT THERE AS WELL.
UM, NEXT WE CAN DO APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 1ST, MR. CHAIR.
UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERTY SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY.NEXT, IF YOU WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, WE HAVE 12 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, BUT WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS THAT WILL PLAY AT THIS TIME, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.
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BEHALF OF THE DIG WHITTY HILLS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 73, LOCATED AT THREE 10 CHESTNUT STREET.WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW THESE TWO BUILDINGS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THESE BUILDINGS ARE WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES, AND ACCORDING TO O P'S GUIDELINES, ANYTHING OLDER THAN 25 YEARS GAINS ITS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION AND PROTECTION AGAINST DEMOLITION WHEN IT SITS WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
EXAMPLES OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAVED FROM DEMOLITION AND RESTORED ARE THE MERCHANT ICE HOUSE AND VELOCITY CAMPUS BUILDINGS LOCATED AT CHERRY STREET AND EAST HOUSTON STREET, THE HACKBERRY MARKET BUILDING LOCATED AT 16 0 2 EAST HOUSTON STREET.
THESE BUILDINGS ARE IN A POSITION TO BE RENOVATED AND RETROFITTED, MUCH LIKE THE MERCHANT ICE HOUSE WAS TO MAKE IT VIABLE FOR TODAY'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
THE DEVELOPER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE AND INCORPORATE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES INTO A NEW DESIGN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER BROWN BOX THAT IS BEING BUILT, BUT HONORS THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THESE BUILDINGS.
IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO RENOVATE AND PROMOTE THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THESE BUILDINGS TO FUTURE TENANTS.
THIS IS VALERIE CALLING ON BEHALF OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 2 3, LOCATED AT 1231 EAST COMMERCE.
WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE MATERIAL THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
THIS PROJECT SITS JUST EAST OF ST.
PAUL SQUARE AND ON THE BORDER OF THE DIG WITTY HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
CAN THE MATERIALS AND DESIGN OF THE BUILDING BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT IS FOUND ON THE BUILDINGS LOCATED AT ST.
PAUL SQUARE TO COMPLIMENT BOTH OF THESE HISTORICAL AREAS? THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS IN ST.
PAUL SQUARE ARE ALL BRICK WITH BEAUTIFUL WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT WHITE.
THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT MATERIALS BEING USED FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S BECOMING CLUTTERED AND CHAOTIC.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER NEW APARTMENT AND CONDO BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY BUILT.
ADDITIONAL CONCERNS ARE, IT IS TOO TALL.
IT OVERWHELMS ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA TO INCLUDE THE BUILDING DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF IT AND THE CONDOS AND STORAGE BUILDING TO THE EAST OF IT ON NORTH CHERRY.
THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF EAST CHERRY IS GOING TO BE AND CAUSE MAJOR TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER THERE ARE EVENTS AT THE ALAMODOME.
UM, AND I'M CALLING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, SOUTH TOWN
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING WONDERFUL.
IT'LL BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND WE ARE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR.
JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, MY WIFE KATHY AND I ARE ALL FOR, UH, ITEM FIVE, UH, TO REALLY HAVE
WE ARE AT 1 26 LAVACCA RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROJECT AND WE ARE ALL FOR IT.
HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 6 7 LOCATED AT 8 21 DAWSON, WE AGREE WITH OH P'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE RAMP APPROVAL, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS RAMP WILL TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD.
WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE GRADUAL DECLINE AND INCLINE OF THE RAMP, BUT WE WERE WONDERING IF THERE WAS A BETTER DESIGN THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NUMBER OF TURNS AND THE TAKING OVER OF THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD.
MY NAME IS MARLENE CARTER LAWSON AND I LIVE AT 5 0 5 BELNAP PLACE.
BUT MY FAMILY HOMESTEAD IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK MAVERICK CARTER HOUSE.
NOW AN EDUCATIONAL NONPROFIT FOR THE ARTS ACROSS FROM THE TOBIN CENTER AT 1 0 8 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE.
THIS IS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AT 1 0 5 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE.
HOUSTON DOES NOT HAVE THESE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS IN THEIR DOWNTOWN.
THEY OPTED FOR INTERACTIVE PEOPLE SCALE DIGITAL
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KI KIOSKS.AUSTIN DOES NOT HAVE BILLBOARDS, BUT IS PLANNING TO GET KIOSKS.
THE TWO YEAR PILOT PROGRAM IN SAN ANTONIO WILL SURELY BE PERMANENT.
THE LACK OF HUMAN SCALE OF THESE BILLBOARDS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WALKING TO READ ON THE AT AND T BUILDING.
THEY PROPOSE A 50 BY 25 BILLBOARD ON MARTIN STREET, WHICH IS QUIET AND SLOW.
SO THE PHOTO THE APPLICANT HAD TO SHOW WAS TAKEN IF ONE WERE TO DRIVE NORTH ON NAVARRO AND QUICKLY LOOK UP BEFORE CROSSING PECAN, WHICH IS ONE STREET OVER FROM ITS LOCATION ON MARTIN.
IT CAN'T BE SEEN ON MARTIN AND IT CAN ONLY BE SEEN BRIEFLY AT NAVARRO AND PECAN.
THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN IS ON THE HISTORIC AT T BUILDING EDITION, WHICH IS VERY PLAIN, AND THAT IS WHY CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT UNIQUE ABOVE ALL OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS, WE ARE PART OF THE FOUR MOST UNIQUE CITIES IN AMERICA.
WHY WOULD WE CHEAPEN OUR DOWNTOWN SKYLINE WITH LA AND NEW YORK BOOKING DECOR? WE ARE UNIQUE BECAUSE OF OUR SPECIAL HERITAGE FROM THE PAST AND WE PROTECT AND CARRY THAT INTO THE FUTURE.
I CAN TALK ABOUT LEGAL ON-PREMISE, OFF-PREMISE, SPATIAL CHALLENGE, STRICT SCRUTINY, FIRST AMENDMENT, ET CETERA.
I CAN USE ADJECTIVES SUCH AS GAUDY, TRASHY, TASTELESS AND CHEAP LOOKING.
BUT I WANT TO LEAVE MY CONVERSATION WITH ONE WORD BEAUTY.
IT IS THE ONLY WORD NEEDED TO MAKE MY CASE.
IS THIS BEAUTIFUL? NO, BECAUSE OUR CITY IS BEAUTIFUL AND BEAUTY IS ABOVE ALL ELSE.
THE OHIO COMPANY, ORANGE BARREL MEDIA'S WEBSITE HAS SIGNS IN LA, NEW YORK, DC ET CETERA.
THEY STATE THEIR VALUE IS FOR THEIR ADVERTISERS AND MUNICIPAL CLIENTS ONLY.
THE APPLICANT FOR THESE SIGNS IS A LOCAL LAW FIRM WHO REPRESENTS DEVELOPERS, BUSINESSES, AND CITY ORDINANCES WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL.
THERE IS CASE LAW FROM AUSTIN TO THE SUPREME COURT AND I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT LEGAL MATTERS, BUT THE APPLICANT CERTAINLY WILL DO THAT BASED ON THEIR CLIENT WHO'S NOT THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO.
HOWEVER, IN THE LANDMARK CASE VERSUS COLORADO JUSTICE SAID PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE LET ALONE.
SO PLEASE STOP THE BOMBARDMENT.
THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE, UH, LETTERS FROM, UH, VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS IN YOUR PACKETS ON YOUR DESKTOP.
DO YOU ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL 12, 10, AND 11 AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT 'EM IN THAT ORDER.
THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A PILOT PROGRAM.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN NUMBER 12 THAT ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTS, UH, A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE HAS WILLINGNESS TO, TO WORK AROUND SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE DRCS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS WITH SUPPORTING ITEMS? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 10 PLEASE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE, UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER FESTER IS RECUSING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER FEER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS THREE 10 CHESTNUT TWO 40 CASTROVILLE 1231 EAST COMMERCE 8 49 EAST COMMERCE SIX 11 MATAGORDA 5 0 1 WIX, 7 58 EAST WOODLAWN ONE 20 EAST AGARITA 8 21 DAWSON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER OR A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
THANK YOU FOR, UM, SIMPLICITY PURPOSES.
UH, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO IN ORDER.
SO LET'S JUST GO WITH, UM, ITEM TEN FIRST.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, 1 0 5 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE AND THE APPLICANT, ASHLEY FAIRMONT IS HERE IN PERSON.
ASHLEY FAIRMONT, KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CAPITAL OUTDOOR, WHO'S PROPOSING THE SIGN ON THE AT AND T ANNEX BUILDING.
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A SHORT PRESENTATION.I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN IT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TO DRC TWICE ON THIS.
WE DID COME TO COMMISSION, UH, THE FIRST DAY THAT THE SIGNS CAME AND WERE REFERRED TO DRC.
UM, SO HERE IS THE STRUCTURE AS, UH, STAFF MENTIONED.
THIS IS ON THE, UM, ANNEX PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THE ORIGINAL SOUTHWESTERN BU UH, BELL BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1930.
THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE BUILDING, UH, WAS BUILT IN 1983.
UM, AND WE'RE PROPOSING THE SIGN, SORRY, NOT WORKING.
UH, SO JUST TO, NOW THAT I CAN CONTROL IT, UH, HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN.
IT'S AT THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE ANNEX BUILDING.
IT'S EAST MARTIN AND NAVARRO STREET.
UM, AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT'S AROUND THIS BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS COME UP IN OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THESE SIGNS, THERE'S NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES AT THIS INTERSECTION.
UM, OFFICE BUILDING ON TWO CORNERS AND A SURFACE PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER.
UM, SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED SIGN AFTER A COUPLE OF REVIEWS AT DRC.
UM, THIS IS, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOUNT THE SIGN ONTO THE GLASS.
UH, 25 BY 18 IS, UH, ARE THE SIGN DIMENSIONS.
UM, SO WE HAVE REDUCED IT A FEW TIMES.
UM, AND THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULD BE MOUNTED ON THE, THE WINDOWS, UM, IN LINE WITH THE MULLIN AND THEN WOULD BE ABOUT 44 AND A HALF FEET TALL.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SLOWER IN HEIGHT AS WELL.
ALSO, WE THINK THAT BEING SET BACK BEHIND THE CONCRETE PANELS, UM, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE SOUTHWESTERN BELL BUILDING, IT IS ACTUALLY SET BACK.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEING THIS SIGN ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY AT THIS INTERSECTION OR MAYBE, UM, TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE BUILDING, BUT NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO WE, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, UM, AT LEAST CONCEPTUAL, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SIGN LOCATION.
WE DO THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE ON THIS ANNEX, UH, PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS STRUCTURE, AS DO WE, IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, I DO ALSO WANNA INTRODUCE JD SALINAS.
JD IS HERE ON BEHALF OF AT AND T.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, ALSO AT DRCI DID FORGET TO MENTION THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEHIND THIS, WHAT'S BEHIND THESE WINDOWS.
UH, AND IT'S NOTHING
UM, AND SO WE THINK THAT THIS SIGN IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PULL THIS JUST SO THAT EVERYONE CAN KIND OF GET IT ON THE RECORD HERE.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OPPOSITION TO IT FROM, UH, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH US AT A COUPLE OF DRCS AND SHIFTED THINGS AROUND WHILE IN GENERAL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SIGNAGE GOING UP.
UH, I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH, UH, WITH THE DRC IN, IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND GET IT TO FIT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE ONTO THE, UH, ONTO THE BUILDING WITHOUT BEING TOO OBTRUSIVE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED HER TO, TO PRESENT THAT AND POINT THAT OUT.
UM, I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR WORKING WITH THE DRC AND LISTENING TO, UH, REVIEW COMMENTS.
I THINK, UH, THIS IS A LARGE IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED OR EVEN AN INTERIM, UH, UH, VERSION.
AND IT FITS, UH, WITHIN THE DETAILING OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH DETAILING IN THE BUILDING, BUT THAT'S PART OF ITS, UH, DESIGN AESTHETIC.
UM, I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED A HISTORIC LANDMARK WITHOUT, UH, DISCOUNTING THE 83 EDITION.
SO, UM, I WILL BE OPPOSED TO ANY, UM, MOTION THAT IT MOVES US FORWARD, UH, SIMPLY ON THAT ACCOUNT.
BUT, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, FOR OTHER, UH, DMA APPLICANTS, UH, I THINK THIS WAS A THOUGHTFUL, UH, DESIGN MODIFICATION, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT EXISTS ON THE BUILDING.
BUT, UM, WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GROUP TO KEEP PROTOCOL.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO DO A MOTION.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, BUT THEN I'LL LEAN TO YOU FOR THE MOTION.
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YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING ITSELF AND, AND COMMISSIONER FETZER, UM, ALLUDED TO THIS.SO IT'S AN ANNEX PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
SO, UM, AND, AND FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED THIS, WHEN YOU SURE.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, BECAUSE THIS WAS IN THE ADDITION TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING, THAT THIS HAS NO HISTORICAL REFERENCE TO THE BUILDING OR ARE DID YOU MENTION THAT OR IT WAS, IS THAT A QUESTION FOR CORY? YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL READ STAFF'S FINDING IN THE REPORT AND THEN I'LL EXPLAIN FURTHER IF NEEDED.
BUT SO IT SAYS, WHILE THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION IS LOCATED ON A PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED HISTORIC, SO THE ENTIRE PARCEL HAS A HISTORIC OVERLAY.
UM, IT IS NOT LOCATED ON A HISTORIC PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR AT A LOCATION THAT IS AND IS AT A LOCATION THAT IS CLEARLY DETACHED FROM THE, THE HISTORIC TOWER.
UM, SO THIS DESIGNATION GOES BACK TO 1988.
THAT 1988 ORDINANCE HAD A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND PROPERTIES AS PART OF A SINGLE, UH, DESIGNATION CASE.
AND THE PROPERTIES THAT INFORMED THAT DESIGNATION WERE PART OF A SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED BETWEEN 1983 AND 1987 OR SO.
UM, AND SO, AND WE ACTUALLY DID PULL, UM, THE SURVEY RECORDS FROM THE 1983 TO 1987 SURVEY, AND IT DOES USE THE PHRASE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UM, THEY JUST DIDN'T DESIGNATE THINGS THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO TODAY.
SO THIS WAS REALLY JUST KIND OF A LIST IN A CITY ORDINANCE TODAY, WE WORK WITH PROPERTIES AND GIS AND WE APPLY THE OVERLAYS THAT WAY.
SO AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY TOOK THE ADDRESS AND SAID, OKAY, THIS PROPERTY MEETS THIS ADDRESS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS HISTORIC.
AND THAT'S HOW THE OVERLAY WAS APPLIED.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, YES, THIS BUILDING IS LOCATED ON A HISTORIC PROPERTY, UM, BUT PER THE STAFF FINDING, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S CONSIDERED HISTORIC AND, AND THE DMA ORDINANCE ITSELF SPEAKS TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION AND THANK YOU MA'AM.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA LEAN TO CHRIS COMMISSIONER GROUP FOR A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I JUST WANNA, UH, THANK THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, COMING BACK AND BACK AND I THINK I DO BELIEVE AND COM AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.
THIS IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, HOW YOU WORKED WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND COMING DOWN WITH A, A GOOD SOLUTION.
HEARING NO OTHER, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
MAY CAN WE BE EXCUSED? CAN THANK YOU.
THANKS AGAIN ON BEHALF OF AT TI WANNA THANK, UH, THE COMMITTEE FOR, FOR HELPING US.
I'M JD SELLING THIS FOR THE RECORD VICE PRESIDENT EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AND I HOUSE OUT OF THAT BUILDING.
SO, AND BY THE WAY, WE DID SPEND $11 MILLION RENOVATING THAT BUILDING IN THE 1932 SIDE, SO THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT, JASON PROFIT IS HERE IN PERSON AND COMMISSIONERS ALL NOTE THAT THERE IS, UH, AN UPDATED PRESENTATION THAT HE'LL PRESENT AT THIS TIME.
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU ON MY BEHALF AND OUT FRONT MEDIA FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PART OF TWO DRCS IN ONE HEARING AND WE, SIR I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND, UM, RIGHT HERE.
UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
UH, JASON, PROFIT OUT FRONT MEDIA.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH SAN ANTONIO AND THE ARTS DISTRICT.
I PERSONALLY HOLD ARTS, HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE WITH THE HIGHEST REGARD AND I AM ALSO VERY AWARE THAT ARCHITECTURE DOES HELP TELL THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT AND WE WANT TO BE AS RESPECTFUL TO THAT AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER CERVANTES VELASQUEZ, UH, SAVINO, GRU AND FETZER, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND DESIGN TEAM TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE UPPER BELT COURSE AND THE, UH, THE VIEW OF THE CORNICE TURNING INTO THE BUILDING.
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SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE HAVE, WELL FIRST I'LL GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.WE DID TAKE A MEASUREMENT, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAD THESE MEASUREMENTS, BUT WE WENT OUT AND FIELD VERIFIED ONE MORE TIME.
UH, THE THICKNESS OF THAT CORNICE THAT STICKS OUT FROM THE FASCIA IS SIX INCHES.
AND SO WE DID REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE SIDE CLADDING TO ALLOW THAT TO SHOW A REVEAL OF THE CORNICE RIGHT THERE.
TURNING INTO THE BUILDING HERE IS OUR DETAIL.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE CLADDING DOES HAVE A REVEAL AND ROUGHLY A, YOU KNOW, 30 DEGREE ANGLE FROM THE ROADWAY SO THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT TURNING IN.
AM I ABLE TO ZOOM EDWARD AT ALL? JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CLADDING DOES SHOW A REVEAL RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNES EDGE AND ALLOWS IT TO, TO SHOW IT TURNING INTO THE BUILDING.
AND ON THE LOWER BELT COURSE, WE WILL BE ANGLING THE SIDE CLADDING SO THAT IT WRAPS AROUND THAT PARTICULAR BELT COURSE.
THERE WE CAN ZOOM BACK OUT PLEASE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN GAIN YOUR SUPPORT TODAY IN OUR, UH, PARTNERSHIP TO HELP BRING AWARENESS AND ADD VALUE TO THE ARTS IN SAN ANTONIO.
COMMISSIONER SAVANTE, SIR? YES.
AND I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE DRC, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE, THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS SO THAT IT FITS ABOVE THAT PRIMARY BELT THERE? THAT LOWER BELT SO THAT IT SITS RECESSED IN THERE AND ONLY OBSTRUCTS THE BELT THAT ACTUALLY CONTOURS WITH THE, THE WINDOW FACADE THERE? YES, SIR.
THE, WE, WE DO WANT THE BEST READABLE FACE AND, AND ONE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, TO USE FOR THE ARTS AND THE ADVERTISERS.
AND IF IT WERE TO GO ABOVE THAT, WE WOULD LOSE A SIGNIFICANT SIZE OVER HALF OF THE DISPLAY SIZE.
THANK YOU, MR. I CAN DO A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE OR IF THERE NO QUESTION.
AT THE LAST THANK YOU FOR, UH, LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND COMING TO SEVERAL DRCS AT THE LAST DRC, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR Y'ALL TO STUDY WHETHER THE WIDTH OF YOUR CABINET COULD ALIGN WITH THE, UM, VERTICAL, UM, PANELS ON THE LOWEST PART OF THE, OF THE GARAGE BELOW THE, THE LARGER BELT COURSE TO ALIGN WITH THE OPENING SIR OR THE NO TO ALIGN WITH THE VERTICAL ON THE, ON THE INTERIOR.
UM, AT THE UPPER PORTION ABOVE THAT FIRST BELT COURSE, THE WIDTH AND THE OPENINGS, UH, THERE NEEDS TO THE BEAMS THAT ATTACH TO THE ACTUAL LEDGER OF THE STRUCTURE.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE AT A CERTAIN WIDTH.
UH, AROUND 10 FOOT EIGHT IS WHERE THEY NEED TO LAND IN ORDER TO ATTACH THE, UH, THOSE VERTICAL UH, JOINTS.
ON THAT, SAY AT THE, YOUR SIGNS LOWER EDGE, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE VERTICAL, UH, PANELS THAT I'M NOT SURE OF AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN 11 FOOT EIGHT AND, AND GREATER THAN 10 FOOT EIGHT, I WOULD BELIEVE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE, UH, ELEMENTS ON THE BUILDING I THINK ARE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF LOCATING AND SIZING THE, THESE DMAS TO, UH, WORK WITH THOSE, UH, EXISTING ELEMENTS.
AND, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, MAKING YOUR CABINET OR YOUR SIGN NO WIDER THAN THOSE, UH, VERTICAL JOINTS IN THAT LOWER PART OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
OKAY, SO LET, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR FOR ANYBODY.
UM, IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE SIX OF THE LATE COMBINED FILE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT, OR IF YOU GO TO
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THE ARCHITECTURE DRAWING, SO YOU KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WRAPS AROUND, RIGHT? SO IT WRAPS AROUND AND THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR INSERT IS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE AT 11 FEET AND EIGHT INCHES, BUT THEN YOUR SIGN IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN THAT? YES, MA'AM.SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE PICTURE.
SO IT CAN'T ALIGN WITH THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE BOTTOM PART, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT WE, I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED ON.
IT WAS GONNA ALIGN WITH THE LINES EITHER ON THE INSERT ON THE TOP PART OF THE BUILDING OR THE LINES OF THE WINDOWS BELOW.
UM, I TOOK THE FEEDBACK AS BRINGING IT INSIDE THE, THE RETURN OF THE CORNICE ON THE SECOND BELT COURSE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING THAT BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AGAIN TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING, YOU'RE ONLY DOING THAT WITH WHAT'S HOLDING THE PANEL, BUT YOUR PANEL IS ACTUALLY GOING OUT OF ACCORDING TO THIS DRAWING.
IT DOES EXTEND BY, UH, FIVE INCHES ON EACH SIDE.
AND THAT WILL STILL ALLOW FOR AN ANGLE THAT THAT REVEALS THAT CORNICE AS IT READS FROM THE ROAD.
I KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S AN ANGLE, REALLY AN ANGLE.
AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK EVERY OTHER APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH US, IS ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM A CORNER THAT YOU, YOU TOOK A BUILDING ELEMENT.
I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A SPECIFIC ANGLE.
IF, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH THAT, I'LL PUT IT AS A STIPULATION AND MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO LOSE TIME EITHER, BUT I THINK WE WERE ALL ON THE AGREEMENT THAT THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
WE COULD REDUCE THE FACE TO 11 FOOT THREE, THAT'S THE NEXT SIZE DOWN THAT WE COULD GO TO WITH THE, THE PANEL CONFIGURATION.
SO FROM 12.6 YOU HAVE TO GO TO 11.3? YES, MA'AM.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE JUMP BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT'S HOW IT'S YES.
BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PANELS AND HOW THEY, THE MODULAR CONFIGURATION OF THOSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS,
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? NO.
YEAH, I MOVE, UH, TO DISAPPROVE AS PRESENTED.
UM, AND IF I GET A SECOND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY THERE A SECOND.
I PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION PLEASE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER GRU AND COMMISSIONER FAZER BOTH HIT ON THIS, BUT WHEN I LOOK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, PHOTO WHERE IT'S DRAPED OVER THE ACTUAL FINISH? THERE YOU GO.
I THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S DRAPED OVER RIGHT NOW, IT, IT APPEARS HAPHAZARDLY.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA SHRINK THE SIZE, BUT I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE IN THE DRC AND I THINK I MENTIONED IT HERE IN PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING WANTS WHAT THE BUILDING WANTS, AND I THINK THAT TAKES AWAY FROM SOME OF THE CHARACTER DESIGN CHARACTER THAT BUILDING, PARTICULARLY THAT BIG LARGE, UH, UM, UM, MOLDING THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST DRAPED OVER.
UM, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS SOMETHING INSERTED.
I KNOW OTHER APPLICANTS IN THIS PILOT PROGRAM HAVE LOST SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THEIR SIGNAGE SO THAT IT FITS WITHIN THE BUILDING DESIGN AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S POPPED UP THERE, UH, AS A LA AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
SO, UM, I I, I, I KIND OF WANT TO SEE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SOLUTION.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER GRU HAS SOME, SOME POTENTIAL, UH, UH, UH, ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SET IT IN A LITTLE.
BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S COVERING THAT, UH, THAT BAND THERE, THE BOTH BANDS I CAN LIVE WITH, THE ONE THAT'S IN SET, BUT THE ONE THAT'S PROTRUDES FROM THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, FOR ME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER.
AND, AND I THINK THE SIGN SHOULD EITHER BE SMALLER.
YOU CAN'T SPLIT IT IN THE TWO, I DON'T THINK, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD EITHER BE SMALLER OR SMALLER AND PLACED ON EITHER TOP OR THE BOTTOM, UH, OF THAT BAND.
SORRY, COMMISSIONER SAVAS, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION PLEASE? SO IF WE GO WITH A SOLUTION THAT I THINK THEY WERE WANTING TO GO WITH THE 11 FEET THREE, WHICH WOULD BE INSERTED TAKING AND REALLY REVEALING THOSE MILLIONS ON THE TOP PART, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT? WELL, I THINK THE, THE, THE MULIAN ON THE SIDE THERE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT GIVES IT THAT HAPHAZARD APPEARANCE IS THAT IT'S COVERING THAT UP AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST DRAPED OVER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HANGING OUT A WINDOW IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS KIND OF SET INTO THE BUILDING OR, OR, OR PUT IN, UH, WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT FROM A DESIGN, FROM, FROM A VIEW DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I'M TRYING TO PICTURE IT, BUT OKAY.
BECAUSE I'M, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE DONE, IF I CAN SAY SOME COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GROUP BEFORE YOU GO.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE NEED YOU.
UH, GIBBS, UH, WE WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE COMMISSIONER AT THE GIVEN APPROPRIATE TIME.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICATION DESERVES A, A TOTAL DENIAL.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WORK THROUGH A SOLUTION.
UM, SO I MEAN, IF THE MOTION AS IS, I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
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TRYING, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE DRCS, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY'RE COMING HERE.UM, IT IS A HARD BUILDING, BUT I THINK MY CONCERN IS MORE LIKE THE MULIAN AND THE, IN THE, UM, AND THE UP THE UPPER PART, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THE UPPER PART AND THEN THE UPPER SECTION OF THE BUILDING.
I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE MORE OF THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO STILL SEE.
SO I THINK THE SOLUTION, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LESS WIDE, UM, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT MAKING IT SMALLER.
WE'VE GOTTEN CLEAR NOT GOING, ADVANCING THERE, SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
SO I FEEL LIKE EVEN DOING THAT STIPULATION WILL NOT MAKE THEM MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR APPLICANT.
THE, THE ION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER TIS IS MENTIONING IS THE, THE WIDER ONE.
THE BUILDING ACTUALLY KIND OF GOES LIKE WIDE AND THEN GOES IN, RIGHT? IF WE GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING, I FEEL LIKE THE SOLUTION WITH THE 11.3, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE A LOT MORE.
THE BOTTOM PART OF THE BUILDING IS REALLY JUST, UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY WINDOWS, RIGHT? UM, THEY'RE OPENINGS TO A PARKING GARAGE.
SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH CONCERN WITH THE SIZE AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE EXTENDED ALL OPTIONS AND, AND DISCUSSED IT ENOUGH IN LENGTH AND DRC, UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, BEING ABLE TO SEE THOSE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ON THE TOP PART IS IMPORTANT.
SO I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD DO AN AMENDED MOTION, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD DO AN AMENDED MOTION TO 11.3 AS A, AS THE WIDTH OF THE PANEL.
SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UM, AN AMENDED MOTION, UM, BUT THEN ALSO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR MOTION, YOU MENTIONED THAT SHE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE AN OPTION AND WE CAN DO AMEND MOTION.
SO YOU COULD WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER GRU.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, SIR? YEAH, I WAS HOPING THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET THROUGH THIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT HER PROPOSALS ARE GRAPHICALLY, I MEAN, I THINK SHE'S GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.
THE THING THAT KIND OF STANDS OUT TO ME IS THE FACT THAT IT'S COVERING UP THAT THAT MIDDLE BOY AND THAT THAT ONE BAND THERE WHERE IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST HANGING OUT THE WINDOW.
UM, BUT, UH, I COULD WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO ANOTHER MOTION, BUT I, I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A FORCE ON YOU.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE, I DON'T WANT THE CLIENT TO, TO GO BACK AND JUST KIND OF GET KICKED TO THE CURB.
BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SIZE ISSUE, OTHER, OTHER COMMISSION OR OTHER, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE LOST, UH, PROBABLY OVER HALF OF THEIR SIZE TO MAKE IT FIT TO THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, WHICH IS WHY I SAID IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVY HANDED MOTION.
UM, MAYBE COMMISSIONER GRU, IF YOU WANNA DO AN AMENDED MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS AN OPTION, RIGHT? OR YEAH, IT IS AN OPTION, BUT I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS CLEAN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF IT HAVING A TWO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU SEEM KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THAT.
SO I'M SAYING IF, IF YOU DO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION, THEN WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GROUP DEPART ALSO JUST VOTE ON THE AMENDED.
IF IT PASSES, THEN HIS AUTOMATIC THAT'S TRUE.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY FORMALIZE A MOTION.
UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT SHE'S GONNA PROPOSE, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE, WE APPROVE SOMETHING.
THIS IS A SENSITIVE TOPIC FOR THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT MOTION IS PUT THE FLOOR WITH ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, SAY ANYTHING.
YES, I WOULD MOTION MODIFIED
UH, I THINK SEEING, UH, A TRUE, UM, ELEVATION DRAWING WITH DIMENSIONS, UH, OF THESE CORNICES, THE WIDTHS OF THE, THE VERTICAL PANELS, UH, THAT I HAD, UH, REQUESTED EARLIER.
UH, SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT A HEAD-ON VIEW OF THIS SIGN, UH, WOULD, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THIS ELEVATION.
UM, I'LL GO WITH YOUR ADMITTED MOTION COMMISSIONER GURU, PLEASE.
UM, JUST, I'LL GO WITH THE MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SEE A PROOF WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE, UH, LEAD PANEL NOT BE WIDER THAN 11 FEET AND THREE INCHES, IF I'M CORRECT.
SO 11 FOOT FOUR INCHES, MA'AM? 11 FOOT FOUR INCHES.
11 FOOT FOUR INCHES WAS CORRECTED.
AND SAME HEIGHT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
UM, AND HOLD ON, LET ME JUST, THERE ARE TWO COMMISSIONER FETZER'S POINT AND I AGREE, RIGHT? I MEAN, SAMANTHA, SO LIKE THE VISUALS, I THINK THE VISUALS TODAY WAS NOT REALITY EITHER
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HARD TO GET THOSE IMAGES, OR PHOTOSHOP, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE, UM, 13 OF THE PACKETS THAT WOULD YEAH, THAT ONE.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS MIGHT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER IDEA.
UM, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WAS KIND OF WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINES.
SO I MEAN, IF WE VISUALIZE THAT WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN THOSE UPPER MILLIONS, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE FOLLOWING AND WE'RE KIND OF JUST BARELY, YOU KNOW, COVERING UP THOSE, UM, I WANNA SAY HOLES IN THE BOTTOM PART THAT JUST GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
WE'RE NOT REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING GONNA BE STICKING OUT.
SO I, I THINK THAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE THE APPLICANT HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF, UM,
AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY HARD ENOUGH TO PRESENT TO US EVEN ON THE PAST ONE.
I'M GONNA INVITE THE APPLICANTS BACK UP.
YOU WANTED TO COMMENT? PLEASE, PLEASE DO AT THIS TIME, UH, MY NAME IS JAVIER GONZALEZ.
I'M THE, UH, PRINCIPAL AND DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AT GRG ARCHITECTURE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, WANNA THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO DRCS AND THIS IS OUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, CERTAINLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA EFFORTS AND DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH.
UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT, THAT WE, WE DID LISTEN, WE HAVE MADE ALL, EVERY EFFORT WE CAN, WE HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, UH, APPRECIABLY, UH, THERE IS A, A MAXIMUM SIZE OF SIGN, UH, ALLOWED BY THE STATE, WHICH WE ADHERE TO AT THE BEGINNING.
UH, WE REDUCED THE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO THE SIGN AS WELL.
SO WE'VE REDUCED IT FROM TAKING THAT BOTTOM UP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN QUITE, QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT AND IN OUR MINDS, THE 12 FOOT SIX WIDTH WAS IDEAL.
UH, AND REALLY AT, AT THE THRESHOLD OF PAIN FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MARKETABLE AND, AND, AND APPROPRIATE FOR INDUSTRY STANDARD.
WE'RE NOW AT 11 FOOT FOUR INCHES.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NEXT MODULE DOWN.
SO ESSENTIALLY AT AT 11 FOOT FOUR WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED, THAT WE ALIGN WITH THOSE VERTICALS.
UH, WE NEED TO PUT A TAPE ON IT TO MAKE SURE, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE, UH, TO, TO COMMISSIONER'S GROUP'S, UH, UH, SENSIBILITY.
IT, MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, SUBMIT A ELEVATION ORTHOGONAL DRAWING THAT'S MEASURED AND SO FORTH TO STAFF AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO HC AND, AND, AND WASTE YOUR TIME TO VERIFY THINGS.
BUT, UH, IN GENERAL, WE, WE HAVE, UH, TRIED TO, WE'VE LISTENED, WE'VE TRIED TO RESPOND, UH, IN, IN, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY IN CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE THE, THE DIRECTION THIS IS GOING.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO SATISFY THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AND WE THINK IT'S A BETTER PROJECT FOR IT.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, CAN, CAN, CAN I GET A RESTATEMENT OF THE MOTION REAL QUICK? SURE.
SO IT'S MOVED TO APPROVE, UM, WITH A HEIGHT PRESENTER TODAY, AND THEN WITH THE WIDTH OF 11 FOOT FOUR INCHES AS A MAX WIDTH FOR THE PANEL? YEAH, FOR THE LED PART OF THE PANEL MAX.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE AMENDED MOTION? MAMON? AYE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ITEM NUMBER 12 PLEASE.
ITEM 12 IS 4 51 SOLEDAD, THE APPLICANT, BLAKE CUSTER IS HERE.
I BLAKE CUSTER BC RESULTS, UH, 8 0 2 3 CILO VALLEY FER OAK RANCH.
I INVITE YOU TO SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BEFORE WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS.
I, I DIDN'T QUITE, SO JUST REAL QUICK, I'VE BEEN TO THIS DRC TWICE.
THIS WILL BE THE SECOND TIME AT HDRC.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR GREAT INPUT.
UM, I THINK WE'VE COME UP TO A, A GREAT SOLUTION.
THIS IS OPTION A, AND THEN MAYBE IF YOU COULD SHOW EDWARD OPTION B.
AND, UH, THIS REASON WHY I'M SHOWING THESE IS SO THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT TOOK PLACE AT DRC.
UM, THE ORIGINAL DRAWING THAT'S, I'M SORRY, EDWARD.
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ORIGINAL DRAWING, WHICH WAS THERE, WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS 14 FEET BY 40 FEET.WE TRIED TO INTEGRATE THE SIGN INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, OBVIOUSLY SIGN HEIGHT HERE WAS 60 FEET.
IT'S, UH, 400 AND APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET.
AND THE ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU WAS A HORIZONTAL SIGN THAT WAS CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
WE MOVED THE SIGN FURTHER TO THE WEST.
AND IN THE DRC MEETING, THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSALS.
AND THEN THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY FROM THE DRCS, UH, SUGGEST SUGGESTIONS.
OPTION B WAS THE ONE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT.
UM, IT FITS WITHIN THE, UH, VERTICAL, UM, RECTANGLE, UM, CLOSEST TO MAIN STREET.
UM, IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF A BLADE SIGN, WE CAN BASICALLY CONNECT THROUGH THE ENGINEER.
UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME CONNECTIONS INSIDE ON THE BACK TO THE LEFT SIDE.
UM, THERE'S A CYLINDRICAL, UM, SHAFT THAT GOES, UH, VERTICAL WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AND SO THIS SIGN WOULD BE 10 FEET BY 21 FEET.
UM, THE OPENING IS 15 FEET BY 21 AND A HALF FEET.
ANY ADDITIONAL SPACE AROUND THAT SIGN WOULD BE A, THERE'D BE A SHROUD, WHICH WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF FRAME AROUND THE SIGN TO COVER THE, MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, ALL THE, ALL THE NEGATIVE PART OF IT WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UM, BLENDED INTO THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THIS IS A, IS A GOOD, GOOD REPRESENTATION OF, OF A, OF A RESOLUTION.
AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LOWER, UM, AND IT'S A LITTLE BETTER WITHIN THERE.
AND SO IT MOVES, IT'S MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RIVER.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE FOR YOU.
UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I, I JUST HAVE A MOTION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE A MOTION.
UH, MOVE TO APPROVE WITH OPTION B SECOND.
SO, UM, WE'RE APPROVING IT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
STAFF STIPULATIONS ON OPTION B? CORRECT.
AND IT'S BEEN SECOND, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION.
JUST REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE CUSTOMER'S DONE HERE IS, IS THEY'VE LOST SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THEY'VE MADE IT FIT INTO THE, INTO THAT LITTLE, UH, POST-IT STAMP AREA WHERE IT WAS HORIZONTALLY, THE LINES OF THE BUILDING CLASH WITH IT.
IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT, BUT THIS LOOKS MUCH BETTER.
AND, AND I WANT TO THANK THE, THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING, UH, UH, THROUGH THE DESIGN ASPECT HERE OF DRC AND WHATNOT TO GET THIS TO LOOK RIGHT AND NOT LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND YOUR INPUT.
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NUMBER 13, PLEASE.THIS IS HDRC CASE 2025 DASH 2 57.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH BY REMOVING TWO FEET FROM THE EASTERN EDGE, AND TWO, CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 370 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION THAT INCLUDES A REAR PORCH AND 62 SQUARE FEET OF CONDITIONED SPACE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH BY REMOVING TWO FEET FROM THE EASTERN EDGE BASED ON FINDING C.
AND THEN TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATE 370 UH, SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION THAT INCLUDES A REAR PORCH AND 62 SQUARE FOOT OF CONDITIONED SPACE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH, OR A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH.
PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED.
ALL CHIMNEY FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED.
AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED
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WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS.UH, NEXT, UH, STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ADDITIONAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE WINDOW DOOR SIDING SPECIFICATIONS, AS WELL AS COLUMN DETAILS AND THAT THE APPLICANT FENESTRATION TO THE REAR FACADE AND SALVAGE AND REUSE THE EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED EDITIONS.
THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL WHICH WE'LL PLAY RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL PLAY IT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT, WENDY IS ONLINE.
WENDY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 50 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THAT'S ME, WENDY, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE AT THIS POINT AND, UM, GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS.
I'VE GOT, AND HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, SO BASICALLY I AM SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF CUT TWO FEET FROM MY PORCH.
IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE A TOTAL REHAB.
I DID SUBMIT, UH, MY PLANS THAT WERE ALREADY DONE WITH THE ARCHITECT.
I AM PLANNING ON KEEPING THE STRUCTURE AND CONTINUING THE FLOW OF HOW THE HOUSE IS.
AND I'M JUST BASICALLY GONNA JUST BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IT USED TO BE.
UM, THE, THERE IS AN OLD, I GUESS, CERTIFICATE ON APPROPRIATENESS BACK FROM 2021 FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHERE THEY HAD REQUESTED THE SAME THING TO REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE PORCH FOR ACTUALLY LIKE TWO AND A HALF FEET AND IT WAS APPROVED.
UM, THE REASON WHY I AM REQUESTING AS WELL IS BECAUSE THERE IS A BIG ENCROACHMENT ON MY DRIVEWAY, UM, AND INVADING BASICALLY MY, UH, NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, SO I REALLY CAN'T PARK.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THAT IS THE DRIVEWAY TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK WHEN LATER ON I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY, IF POSSIBLE, GET A GARAGE OR JUST FOR PARKING SPACE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE PORCH, UM, THE CARS DON'T FIT, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH TO THE DRIVEWAY.
SO EITHER MY VEHICLE IS GONNA RUN INTO MY PORCH OR I'M GONNA RUN INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST REQUESTING TO DO THE TWO FEET JUST TO KINDA, UM, BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PARK A VEHICLE THERE.
UM, I AM PLANNING ON KEEPING THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS.
WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF SLIDE IT TO THE LEFT.
UH, BUT I'M NOT PLANNING ON MAKING ANY DIFFERENT CHANGES TO WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
WENDY, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? UH, YES.
UH, AS FAR AS JUST THE, THE BACK, UH, THE ADDITION, I, I DID SUBMIT A BLUEPRINT ON BASICALLY HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK.
UM, IT'S GONNA JUST KEEP A FLOW OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE HOUSE.
THE WHOLE ROOF IS GONNA EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK AND MY ROOF ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, THE METAL ROOF THAT IS WITHIN GUIDELINES AND THE WHOLE HOUSE IS JUST GONNA HAVE THE SAME, UM, AGAIN, UH, SIDING AND THE SAME THING.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY, ANY DIFFERENCES ON EVERYTHING SHOULD BLEND TOGETHER.
UH, MY ONE QUESTION THAT I DID HAVE, UM, ON THE BACK, UM, AS Y'ALL CAN SEE, THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE TWO WINDOWS BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING THE, THE DOOR, THE BACK DOOR.
UM, AM I ABLE TO DO A SLIDING DOOR OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE LIKE A FRENCH DOOR? I, I WASN'T SURE ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THOSE TWO WINDOWS THAT WE ARE REMOVING, WE WILL BE USING TO RE UM, FOR MATERIAL TO REHAB ALL THE OTHER 21 WINDOWS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REPAIRING.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH OF THE MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE VOICEMAIL AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'LL OPEN IT TO QUESTIONS.
MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER, 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, TOBIN HILL,
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AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 5 7.THE ADDRESS IS 6 1 5 EAST EVERGREEN STREET.
THERE'S A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF AR, REAR EDITION PORT CONSTRUCTION AND FRONT PORT, FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT MET WITH THE PRESENT OWNER OF THE HOUSE AT SIX 15 EAST EVERGREEN STREET, BUT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CASE SINCE 2021.
ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS SEEMS TO BE THE LACK OF SPACE FOR A PROPER DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN TO SHORTEN THE FRONT PORCH BY TWO FEET IS A THOUGHTFUL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
THE OWNER HAS WORKED TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING'S DESIGN WHILE PROVIDING THE SPACE THAT THEY NEED.
IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION TO A AUTHORITY PROBLEM.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS.
WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION AND REAR PORCH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF, THIS PROJECT CAN BE CARRIED THROUGH TO THE SATISFACTION OF ALL PARTIES.
UM, BEFORE WE GO THAT ROUTE, SIR, I'M, I'M GOING TO, UM, TAKE YOUR QUESTION BUT UM, I WANT TO, FOR EASE OF PRESENTATION, UM, NOW THAT WE'RE ON INDIVIDUAL CONSENT, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE EVERY COMMISSIONER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU CAN DEFINITELY PASS ON.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA START AT THE BUR END.
UM, COMMISSIONER VARDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SIR? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
DOWN LINE COMMISSIONER GROUP, I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, ON THE STIPULATION TWO FOR STAFF WHEN YOU'RE SAYING ADD FENESTRATIONS, SO THEY DO HAVE CURRENTLY TWO WINDOWS AND UM, SHE'S ADDING ONE PICTURE WINDOW AND A GLASS SLIDING DOOR.
SO I GUESS WHAT YOU MEANING BY THAT IS YOU WANT MORE, I MEAN REALLY SHE'S REPLACING WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF PICTURES THERE OR THE, SORRY, THE WINDOWS FENESTRATIONS THAT THERE IS, IT'S JUST MAYBE 'CAUSE OF THE TYPE OR WHAT'S THAT STIPULATION FOR? UH, YEAH, SO GENERALLY, UM, SPEAKING, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IN RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AT REAR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOUR ADDITIONS, UH, FOR THIS CASE.
UM, ADRIAN, CAN YOU GO TO THE REAR ELEVATION DRAWING? UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE WOULD JUST BE THE INCLUSION OF, UH, POTENTIALLY ONE OR TWO, UH, TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS AT THE REAR.
UM, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, SO IT'S NOT ABOUT ADDING MORE FENESTRATION, YOU WANT A TRADITIONAL UH, YEAH.
CAN YOU FIND THE REATION? YEAH.
SO THIS IS, YOU WANT MORE TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION RATHER THAN ADDING MORE.
IS THAT THE CORRECT? UH, CORRECT, YES.
AND I GUESS I WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE OTHER STIPULATIONS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ADDING AND, UM, THE ROOF RELATION, I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
SO BASICALLY ON THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, THERE'S THAT BACK DOOR.
UM, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
IF IT CAN BE A SLIDING DOOR OR IF IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN TYPE OF DOOR, LIKE A FRENCH DOOR.
AND THEN FOR THE SMALL SIDE WINDOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ON ELIMINATING IT SINCE THAT'S GONNA BE A CLOSET.
UH, I'M JUST KIND OF KEEP IT BLANK.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROFIT, SO IT'S GONNA BE A CLOSED SPACE.
UM, WELL I GUESS STAFF IS ASKING IF YOU CAN PUT A TRADITIONAL WINDOW SIZED WINDOW THERE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? SO THAT'S GONNA BE A CLOSET.
IT IT, SO YES OR NO? NO, I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, IT'S, IT'S A CLOSET SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A WINDOW IN A CLOSET.
I DON'T HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, REAL QUICK, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE SITE PLAN STAFF.
SO AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DRIVEWAY AS IT SITS NOW GOES INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, IF YOU SEE ON THE SURVEY, BASICALLY
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LIKE ON, UH, MORE TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK, ALL THAT RED LINING, HALF OF IT IS BASICALLY MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.SO ALL THAT BIG SQUARE HALF OF THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S AN ENCROACHMENT, UM, AND MY VEHICLE BASICALLY SITS THERE AND THEN I CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE MY PORCH IS STICKING WAY TOO MUCH OUT, SO I CAN'T EVEN DRIVE INTO MY DRIVEWAY PAST THE PORCH.
UM, AND CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW HIGH THAT ROOF LINE IS OR FROM THE BOTTOM PART OF THE ROOF? NOT ACTUALLY THE TOP PART, BUT IS THERE A SHOT OF THAT? THE PICTURE YOU JUST HAD IT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN.
SO, SO THE BOTTOM OF THAT, UH, 5 17, 17 FEET.
UM, OKAY, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY USE THAT, YOU CAN'T REALLY DRIVE BACK THAT WAY WITHOUT CROUCHING ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? UM, THE RENT.
AND THEN TWO FEET IS WHAT YOU NEED, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OFF.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LEAVE THE ROOF LINE THERE IF YOU TOOK OFF? WOULD A CAR FIT UNDERNEATH THERE? IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE YOU SHOWING THE DRIVEWAY THERE? STAFF? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE AND MAYBE IT MIGHT NEED A DRC.
I'M NOT TOO SURE, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THOSE PYLONS, LOSE THAT BOTTOM PORTION BUT STILL KEEP THE, STILL KEEP THE ROOF LINE THERE? UM, I MEAN I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT AFFECTS MORE THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE THAN JUST SLIDING THE WHOLE THING TWO FEET TO THE LEFT.
I WAS JUST TRYING NOT DO ALTER SO MUCH THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE MORE OF A DISCONNECT BECAUSE NOW THE BOTTOM WOULD BE A LITTLE CUT TWO FEET TO THE LEFT AND THE ROOF STILL LOOKS THE SAME.
SO I FELT LIKE THAT ALTERED THE IMAGE OF THE HOUSE MORE THAN TO JUST SLIDE THE WHOLE THING TWO FEET TO THE LEFT.
UM, THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, IT'S A CLARIFICATION OF THE CASE THAT WAS HERE IN 2021.
WE LOOKED AT THE CONDITIONS, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ENCROACHING ON THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBOR'S YARD, UH, THE WIDTH BETWEEN THE EXISTING PORCH AND THE FENCE.
AND AT THE TIME WE DID FEEL THAT, UH, MOVING THE, UH, END OF THE GO, UH, PORCH TO THE LEFT WAS A REASONABLE, UH, COMPROMISE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS PROVIDE ENOUGH WIDTH FOR THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER TO POTENTIALLY DRIVE TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WITH A, UH, LIKE SHE SAYS, HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY SHE MIGHT GET A GARAGE BACK THERE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS A CLARIFICATION OF 2021.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GARCIA.
UM, MY QUESTION HAD BEEN ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE REAR FACADE AND THEY'VE BEEN ANSWERED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAYMAN.
MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT 2021, BUT THAT THANK YOU.
I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED TODAY AND I APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO AND I'M GONNA REPHRASE STIPULATION THREE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT ADDS ONE TRADITIONAL SIZED FENESTRATION WHERE THE CLOSET IS AND REUSE AND SALVAGE THE EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT I DID WAS, UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, SO LIKE THE FRONT PORCH CAN BE, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WAS, UM, I THINK IT'S VALID REASON TO REALLY REDUCE THAT FRONT PORCH.
SO I DON'T HAVE, UH, UH, JUST AS PRESENTED TODAY.
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THE ROOF STIPULATIONS AND THEN IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE REAR FACADE EXACTLY RIGHT THERE.SO TO THE APPLICANT AND I THINK I, UM, TODAY WAS PRESENTED WITH A SLIDING DOOR.
I THINK ONCE YOU, UM, COME UP WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS AND YOU HAND THOSE TO STAFF AND I THINK THEY'LL DETERMINE IF THEY FOLLOW THE SPECIFIC WINDOW SPECIFICATION.
IF THAT'S CORRECT, THEN I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WHETHER THEY'RE FRENCH DOORS OR SLIDING DOORS.
NUMBER TWO IS, UM, WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR A TRADITIONAL SIZED WINDOW FENESTRATION RIGHT THERE INSTEAD OF THAT, UM, VERTICAL THAT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS APPROVED AND WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO, UM, TO YOU MRS. PIMENTEL, IS THAT WE, UM, YOU CAN JUST COVER IT UP WITH SHEET ROCK FROM THE INSIDE.
I MEAN THE WINDOW DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ACTIVE, BUT FROM THE OUTSIDE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WINDOW SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY THERE.
FURTHER DISCUSSION, VICE CHAIR ZER? YES.
UM, A UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
IF IN THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE FRONT PORCH, COULD THAT CENTER COLUMN BE RELOCATED TO THE NEW CENTER WIDTH OF THE PORCH? THAT IS NOT WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY AND I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING IS NOT TO, UH, MESS WITH SO MUCH WITH THE ROOF.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THE APPLICANT COULD DO, BUT I'M, I'M, MY MOTION RIGHT NOW IS PRESENTED AT IS TODAY, SO IT'D BE NOT ALTERING, UM, WHAT'S ORIGINALLY LIKE IT'S GONNA BE NINE FEET AND THEN YEAH, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE ODD WITH A SEVEN FEET, BUT THE ROOF IS GONNA BE THE ORIGINAL LENGTH.
REMEMBER SHE'S NOT REMOVING ANY PARTS OF THE ROOF, RIGHT? NO, SHE'S CUTTING THE ROOF BACK AS WELL.
YES, EVERYTHING IS GETTING CUT TWO FEET, UM, BUT IT'S JUST GETTING CUT TWO FEET.
SO IF YOU WANNA START, START MOVING A COLUMN THAT'S ALSO HOLDING THE ROOF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANNA PUT THAT ON THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY REBUILDING THE WHOLE THING AND MIGHT EVEN BE HOLDING SOME OTHER SECTIONS.
WELL I THINK THE, THAT CENTER COLUMN, UM, STRUCTURALLY SHOULD JUST BE HOLDING UP THE, THE PORCH ROOF AND, UH, POSSIBLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE AND RELOCATING THAT TO THE, TO THE NEW WIDTH BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
OKAY, SO HERE IS, I WOULD COMMEND IT TO THAT, RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT TO CENTER THE CENTER COLUMN RIGHT TO THE NEW WIDTH IF POSSIBLE.
IS THAT OKAY? AND THEN STAFF MAYBE CAN REVIEW THOSE OPTIONS ONCE, MAYBE STAFF CAN GET SOME PICTURES WHEN SHE STARTS CUTTING AND FIGURING THAT OUT.
ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE GARCIA? AYE.
YOUR CASE MANAGER WILL REACH OUT TO YOU.
SO ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 59.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE, APPRO OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 75 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION WITHIN THE EXISTING SIDE PORCH ALONG THE NORTHERN FACADE REQUIRING THE REMOVAL OF ONE HISTORIC WINDOW.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UH, DANIEL CRUZ, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, DANIEL CRUZ.
I'M WITH DESIGN COOP AND I'M REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT AT 5 0 4 KING WILLIAM.
UH, FIRST OFF I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING, UH, WE KNEW WE'D BE HERE, UH, DUE TO THE GUIDELINES, WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING, UH, THAT DOES INTERACT WITH THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A PRETTY APPROPRIATE DESIGN IN MY OPINION.
AND, UH, I DO WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE DIVE INTO, UH, KEY FEATURES AND HOW WE, WE, WE WENT ABOUT THE DESIGN.
I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WHO WE ARE.
UH, WE'RE A FULL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN BUILD FOR, UH, SO, UH, COMPANY.
AND WE'VE WORKING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
UM, 95% OF OUR WORK IS RESIDENTIAL REMODEL RESTORATIONS.
WE VALUE THE INTEGRITY AND THE, THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE, WE DEAL
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WITH ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THESE STRUCTURES.THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR IS ACTUALLY KIND, KIND OF A REALLY COOL ONE WHERE WE SPENT OVER, OVER FOUR YEARS WORKING ON TAKING IT FROM THE BONES AND RESTORING IT AND, AND MAKING IT INTO THE, THIS MASTERFUL PROJECT THAT IT IS.
THE BACK STRUCTURES WERE LIFTED UP, UH, REBUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, AND YOU PASS BY THIS PROPERTY AND YOU SEE WHAT THIS STRUCTURE WAS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
UM, OUR CLIENTS HAVE SPENT TONS AND TONS OF MONEY ON THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE THEY VALUE AND THEY APPRECIATE ALL THAT IT IS AND WHAT IT HAS BEEN ABLE TO BECOME FOR THEIR FAMILY.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE IMPORTANT STATEMENT I WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR.
EARLY ON OUR DESIGN INTENTIONS, UM, WERE VERY, UH, WE, WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ON HOW WE TOOK.
WE APPROACHED THIS, UM, THE FINDINGS THAT HISTORIC, UH, OR, OR, UM, OHP STAFF IS, IS, IS REFERRING TO IS FINDINGS, UH, B AND C, WHICH ARE RELATIONS TO LOCATION, MASSING AND SCALE.
UM, ONE THING TO IS WE ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING SIDE PORCH.
WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE BUILDING OVERALL MASSING OR FOOTING.
UH, WE ARE NOT OBSTRUCTING OR ALTERING ANY OF SIGNIFICANT FEATURES.
ARCHITECTURALLY, OUR NEW ADDITION IS SET BACK FROM THE EXISTING COLUMNS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
THE ORIGINAL PORCH FLOOR IS TO REMAIN THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE ADDITIONAL PORCH.
UH, THE, THE PORCH FLOOR ABOVE IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED.
UM, WE REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE REVERSIBILITY HERE.
UH, THIS HAS THE, THE, THE CAPABILITIES TO BE REVERSED AT ANY TIME, AT ANY MOMENT.
THE WINDOW THAT WAS, UH, NOTED IN FINDING D TO BE REMOVED IS NOT TO BE REMOVED.
NOTHING ON THIS PROPERTY IS TO BE REMOVED.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
I DID SEND AN EMAIL OUT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS, UH, DOCUMENTED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, WITH THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW IS TO STAY INTACT.
ALL THE DOORWAYS ARE STAY INTACT.
THE PORCH FLOOR FLOORS STAY INTACT.
COLUMNS ARE NOT TO BE TOUCHED.
UH, WE ARE SIMPLY REPLICATING THE ARCHITECTURE OF AN ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT.
UM, WE'RE REPLICATING THAT ARCHITECTURE THAT IS, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPOSED EDITION, UM, AND SETTING IT BACK TO REALLY KIND OF NOT, UH, OBSTRUCT OR MESS WITH THE MASSING AND SCALING OF THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, STRUCTURE.
UM, ANOTHER KEY KEY, UH, KEY POINT IS, UH, THE VISIBILITY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SOME OF THE PHOTOS DO SHOW THAT.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT SOME ALTERNATE PHOTOS ORIGINALLY FROM STREET VIEW, UM, THAT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE SWAPPED FROM THIS APPLICATION WITH GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES.
WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? THINGS HAVE GROWN, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SO THERE IS LESS OF A STREET VISIBILITY AND PRESENCE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AND DOCUMENTED.
UM, AND IN CONCLUSION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, WE DO FEEL LIKE WE ALIGN WITH ALL THE INTENTS OF THE GUIDELINES AND UH, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE ADDITION TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE.
UM, START FROM, UM, MY LEFT FOR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER LAU, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW? THIS SLIDE? UH, SLIDE SEVEN.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT PORCH? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA REPLICATE WHAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT? WE HAVE A PICTURE OF IT.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE IT FROM THE SIDE HERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PHOTO HERE.
MAYBE IF YOU SCROLL DOWN ONE MORE PHOTO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER PHOTO THAT WAS PROVIDED.
NO, UM, I DO NOT HAVE A PHOTO ON ME AT THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE PART THAT WOULD BE, THAT WAS GONNA BE LEAD MY TO SECOND PART.
THIS IS THE PART THAT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, UM, NEXT, SO FROM THE STREET NOW WE'LL BE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING IS WHAT'S ON THE LEFT CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN'T SEE ON THIS PICTURE.
YOU CAN GIVE IT TO, CAN, CAN WE HAVE, CAN WE, AND THEN, UM, SO IT GO BACK TO SLIDE SEVEN, IT KIND OF INSERTS AND THERE'S A DOOR.
SO THAT DOOR WILL BE ELIMINATED, PUSHED DOWN.
THAT DOOR WILL BE REPLICATED AND BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, IN THE EXACT SAME ARCHITECTURE THAT IS SHOWN THERE.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, SO IT'S REALLY BAD
I MEAN, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, LIKE THREE WINDOWS AND THEN IT GOES INSERTED AND THEN IT'LL COME OUT AGAIN AND YOU KIND OF REPLICATED THAT AGAIN.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN A DOC FOR THIS?
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THERE HAS NOT, NO.COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, THIS IS FOR STAFF.
WHAT CITY AND STATE DESIGNATIONS DOES THIS BUILDING HAVE? THIS HOUSE CITY, IT'S A LOCAL LANDMARK AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN NOT STATE, BUT IT IS, UH, KING WILLIAM IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
SO KING WILLIAM IS IN THE NATIONAL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLAQUE ON THIS HOUSE, LIKE THERE ARE ON ITS NEIGHBORS, UM, FROM THE STATE? NO, I MEAN, AND ANY SORT OF STATE DESIGNATION WOULDN'T IMPACT THIS REVIEW.
AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC ASSOCIATION? WHAT, WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS? I DID WANT TO POINT OUT COMMISSIONER, SORRY, THAT THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
YOU GO COMMISSIONER ES WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE I TALKED TO THEM? NO, BUT IN REGARDS TO WHAT THEIR STATEMENT IS, UM, THEY DID LEAVE A LETTER SAYING THEY AGREED WITH OHP STAFF, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE FINDINGS, WHICH ARE THE GUIDELINES STATEMENTS.
COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR, UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU DID SAY THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE, CORRECT.
THAT YOU'RE NOT, UM, WHAT SORT OF ATTACHMENTS ARE YOU DOING TO THE, UH, HISTORIC PART OF THE HOUSE? FOR, TO HOLD IT UP.
THE WALLS THAT WE WILL ERECT, UM, HOWEVER THEY NEED TO BE STABLE.
UM, SO WE WILL BE MAKING SOME PENETRATIONS INTO THE EXISTING DECKING.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, THIS DECKING, UM, IN OUR POSSESSION.
SO IF WE NEED TO REPLACE OR LEAVE ON SITE FOR FUTURE, FUTURE, UH, TIME TO REPLACE IT, WE CAN.
AND THEN ON THE ROOF, ON THE CEILING COMPONENT, WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE BLOCKING AND WE ACTUALLY ERECTED THAT ENTIRE, WE BUILT THAT ENTIRE SECOND LEVEL PORCH, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY WASN'T THERE WHEN THE CLIENT PURCHASED IT, BUT WE BROUGHT IT BACK FROM THAT WAS, UM, SOMETHING WE PRESENTED A FEW YEARS AGO.
BUT, UH, WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE FRAMING IS, SO WE WILL JUST ATTACH TO THE THAT AND REPLACE THE B BOARD AND OR PATCH, UH, AFTER OR IF, IF EVER REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE.
THE BUILDING WALL ITSELF, IS THAT A STUCCO FINISH OR IS IT'S STONE? IT'S A SOLID LIMESTONE WALL, 20 INCHES THICK WITH A PLASTER FINISH ON IT.
AND WE WILL NOT BE DOING ANYTHING TO THAT FACADE.
YOU WON'T BE ANCHORING TO THAT IN ANY WAY.
MINI MINIMALLY, MAYBE SOME TAP CONS OF THREE INCH TAP CONS FOR THE TWO BY FOUR WALLS THAT SIT THERE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOT REALLY.
THAT'S PROBABLY JUST GONNA HIT THE STUCCO, UM, MEMBRANE IF ANYTHING.
UM, I'M NOT SEEING THIS, UM, IN HERE, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK THE QUESTION.
IS THIS CONDITION SPACE? UM, SINCE WE ARE, YES, I GUESS SO.
UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING A UNIT TO THE SPACE.
UM, MAYBE A A SUPPLY COULD BE MODIFIED OR, UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS A TRANS IN THERE I BELIEVE, UM, WHERE WE CAN OPEN IT IN THAT DOORWAY.
BUT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO LOOK INTO, BUT I DON'T, WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY SORT OF UNIT TO, TO THE SPACE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLWAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAYMAN.
UM, I HAVE A MOTION, I'LL DO A MOTION.
UM, MOVE TO DENY WITH JUST THE STAFF.
I THINK STAFF GOT IT RIGHT AND MOVE TO DENY THERE A SECOND.
YEAH, I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT AS A COMMISSION, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DENIED HOUSES THAT ARE LESS SIGNIFICANT AND NEWER THAN THIS ONE FOR LESSER MODIFICATIONS.
SO I, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND I THINK, UM, ADDING TO IT OR ALTERNATE IN ANY WAY JUST TAKES AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC DE OR HISTORIC, UH, DESIGN AND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE KING WILLIAM, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT IS IN CONCURRENCE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS OR THE STAFF, UH, DETERMINATIONS.
MY, MY ACTUALLY MOTION WAS GONNA BE THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
UM, I WAS GONNA REALLY FOCUS ON THE REVERSIBILITY AND THEN I WAS GONNA SAY KIND OF LIKE MAYBE MOVE FORWARD DRC AND A SITE VISIT TO SEE HOW MUCH WAS ACTUALLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VEGETATION, UM, THE NOT REMOVING ANY HISTORIC ELEMENTS AND THE REVERSIBILITY IS WHERE I SEE THIS WAS ABLE TO MAYBE HAPPEN AND MAYBE EVEN MAKING IT MORE TRANSPARENT, RIGHT? I MEAN WE, WHEN WE SAW THE PICTURE THAT THE, UH, OWNER WAS PRESENTING, I MEAN THERE'S CURTAINS, RIGHT? SO I MEAN LIKE MAYBE NOBODY'S SELLING, YOU HAVE TO COVER YOUR WINDOWS EVERY DAY, BUT LIKE IF YOU PRESENT
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IT MORE TRANSPARENT WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF ALSO EVEN SEE THAT HISTORIC WINDOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS UH, UM, I'M GONNA GO FOR.SO, UM, I NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT IS JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.
TO, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE OPEN TO, UM, BUT AS DID IS THE DRC FIRST.
UM, VOTE AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS.
UM, DID YOU WANT TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? NO.
'CAUSE I THINK MY COMMENTS ALSO LEAVE THE APPLICANTS AN OPTION TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.
GALLOWAY NAY GIDA AYE GROUP MAY CERVANTES? YES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 HDRC CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 25 9 32 BURNETT.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1,642 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FEATURING A THREE BAY GARAGE AND SECOND FLOOR LIVING SPACE.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1,642 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FEATURING A THREE BAY GARAGE AND SECOND FLOOR LIVING SPACE.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SCALE AND MASSING OF THE DESIGN, INCLUDING ELIMINATION OF A GARAGE BAY FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
THE APPLICANT'S HERE VIRTUALLY AND THERE'S ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSION REVIEW.
AND, UH, MR. MCINTOSH, IF, UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION.
ARE YOU THERE? YOU'RE UNMUTED, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
WE MIGHT TRY CALLING, UH, YOUR NUMBER ON FILE, MR. MACINTOSH AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY WE CAN CONNECT.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, CHAIR GIBBS, DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT CASE? YES.
UH, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE NEXT CASE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM 15.
CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 6 0 2 14 ADAMS STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCTED A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION AND TWO, REPLACE AN EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THE TWO STORY REAR ADDITION CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SET THE PROPOSED TWO STORY REAR EDITION FURTHER BACK IN THE LOT TO PRESERVE MORE OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT TO BECOME CLEARLY SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL MASSING.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE AN UPDATED LINE OF SIGHT STUDY USING THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF AN ADULT PERSON.
THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REUSED HISTORIC WINDOWS ON SITE THAT WERE REMOVED THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS A RESULT OF THE ADDITION CONSTRUCTION.
THAT THE APPLICANT SAW A FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS FOLLOWS.
AND FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE WINDOW DOOR SPECIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING FOR FINAL REVIEW.
ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH THE STAINING SEA METAL ROOF BASED ON FINDING O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE AND FOLLOW STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS DESCRIBED.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON JAIME JIMENEZ.
THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR COMMISSION
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REVIEW.UH, MR. JIMENEZ, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES, SECONDS.
MY NAME IS JAIME JIMENEZ WITH THE IDEA STUDIO AND I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I KNOW, UM, AND THANK FOR EVERYONE FOR JUST WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'RE STARTING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UH, THE INITIAL IDEA ON, FOR THE ADDITION ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IT WAS JUST NOT TO LEAVE THE ORIGINAL DESIGNING TAG, LEAVING THE, THE WHERE IT IS AND JUST ADDING IT TO THE SIDE ON THE REAR THAT IT WAS ADDED AT A LATER POINT TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN ON THOSE ELEVATIONS, UM, IT'S ABOUT FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE ADDITION IS ABOUT 15, 20 FEET.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATION IS PUSH THE SECOND, THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION TO THE, TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, SO I JUST, HOW FAR DO WE NEED TO GO FOR THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION? IF YOU SEE THE RIGHT SIDE, THE, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES DETAIL.
ZERO THREE, THAT'S THE SIDE ELEVATION.
EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT, THE LOWER PART, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
THE WAY IT IS, THE, THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT THERE IS A 11 FEET.
SO IT'S A LOT TALLER THAN WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT THE, THE, THE ADDITION ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT YES, BY DOING THE, THE ADDITION ON, ON THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT THAT UH, WE'RE LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS, WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE FOOTPRINT OR ADDING ANYTHING TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE WINDOWS.
YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATION AS WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO REPLACE AND I MEAN FIX ALL THE WINDOWS THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, BUT WE'RE NOT REPLACING ANY, WE'RE REMOVING ANY WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION STARTING TO MY LEFT, SIR? ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GURU.
YEAH, SORRY, I WAS GONNA BE A QUESTION, UM, TO STAFF ON THE STIPULATION ON ITEM ONE, STIPULATION TWO, UM, SO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A LINE OF SIGHT WITH A FOUR FEET A THAT'S EVEN SHORTER THAN ME.
SO THE TALL OF THE PERSON, THE LESS VISIBLE IT WOULD BE OR WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? I GUESS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO SHOW IS IF YOU'RE SHORTER THAN 4.8 IS WHERE YOU WOULD BE VISIBLE.
ANYTHING TALLER IT WOULDN'T RIGHT.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE, TO THE HDRC WOULD JUST BE THAT THE LINE OF SIGHT HAVE AN AVERAGE HEIGHT TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD APPEAR TO, UM, THE AVERAGE SAN ANTONIAN, UM, AS THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, FROM THE DIAGRAM HERE, UM, THERE, THERE IS A POINT TO WHERE OVER THIS RIDGE LINE, UM, THERE IS SOME VISIBLE, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE THEN THERE'S NOT.
BUT, UM, STAFF WOULD, STAFF WOULD FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE MORE, UH, INFORMATIVE TO HAVE SOMETHING CLOSER TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY FIVE FOOT FOUR OR FIVE FOOT SIX, FIVE FOOT EIGHT, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TRADITIONAL.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU, AND ON THE OTHER STIPULATIONS I GUESS TO THE APPLICANT, UM, DO YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND JUST CONTINUE TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YES, DEFINITELY.
I JUST WANNA KNOW LIKE HOW FAR FROM THE STREET OR FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WE NEED TO START THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION.
AND THEN, UM, TO COMMISSIONER, WAS THAT DRC? UH, THERE WAS A DRC, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.
UM, COMMISSIONER QUEZ? NOPE, NO QUESTIONS.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK TO A DRC FOR A FURTHER DISCUSSION, MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION
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RATHER THAN TRYING TO UH, FURTHER DESIGN IN THIS THIS FORUM? YEAH, DEFINITELY.AND HAVE YOU EXPLORED, UH, DROPPING THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR? UM, I SAW ON YOUR BUILDING ELEVATIONS AT THE SECOND FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT IS A NINE FEET? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE FIRST FLOOR HAS 11 FEET, BUT, UH, EXPLORING DROPPING THAT EVEN FURTHER FOR THE SECOND FLOOR FOR BEDROOMS, UH, I THINK MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
SO IF YOU'D CONSIDER DOING THAT.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA? NO QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MANON, NO QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? DO HAVE A MOTION APPROVE ITEM? UH, ONE CONCEPTUALLY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ITEM TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
AND, AND THIS IS A MOTION THAT GIVES YOU THE OPTION TO COME BACK FOR A DRC AND I THINK IT'S JUST WORKING WITH, UM, I, I DO BELIEVE THE VISIBILITY FROM THE FRONT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO SHOW US AS MUCH AS YOU CAN EVEN TAKE A PICTURE OR TAKE THAT PICTURE AND SHOW US HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE FROM THE SIDEWALK.
WANNA DRAW IT, YOU KNOW, PRESENT AS MUCH THAT TO US INFORMATION THAT'S I THINK WHATEVER WE DEFINITELY, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE MISSING BEFORE FINAL THANK YOU.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
OKAY, MR. MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REREAD THE CASE IN INTO THE RECORD? NO NEED.
IF THE APPLICANT IS READY, WE'RE READY FOR THAT.
ARE YOU THERE? UM, COMMISSIONERS.
I DO THINK THE ISSUE IS ON OUR END.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT SETTINGS.
WE'LL GIVE A FEW MINUTES AND WE'LL DECIDE AT THAT POINT.
ALL THE SETTINGS UP HERE, RIGHT? WHAT THEY WERE.
SO IT'S DONDO, CAN YOU TRY AGAIN PLEASE? DONDO, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE AND TRY AGAIN? JESS, CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY, MR. MCINTOSH, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE AND TRY AGAIN.
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UH, HELLO? CAN YOU FOLKS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.SO WE'RE THE APPLICANT HERE, SO, UM, GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR CASE, SIR.
UH, WELL, YES, UH, SO I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF 9 32 BURNETT.
I AM, MY PROPERTY IS, UH, ZONED, UH, FOR, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PUT FOUR UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY MAIN GOAL IS TO, UM, UM, PUT SOME UNITS ON MY PROPERTY.
I ADDED THE PARKING JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, UH, FOLKS WOULD COME BACK AND SAY THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUILDING THIS WITH NO PARKING.
UM, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PARKING SPACES, BUT ALSO, UM, JUST IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE PERCENTAGE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, HOW MUCH YOU CAN BILL.
MY PROPERTY IS A RATHER LARGE SIZE PROPERTY, AND SO THE STIPULATION OF SIZING IT, IT KIND OF CONFLICTS WITH THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE WHOLE BACK SECTION OF MY PROPERTY IS VACANT AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S HAPPENING BACK THERE.
AND, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS MY SECOND TIME TRYING TO, UH, UH, COME TO YOU GUYS AND HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED THAT I COULD, UH, UH, PUT 2, 2 2 APARTMENTS THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET, GET TO AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, GOING FROM MY, DO WE HAVE VOICEMAILS HERE? THERE WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL.
HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE ON BEHALF OF DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 5 0, LOCATED AT 9 32 BURNETT STREET.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE THE ADDITION OF A 1,642 FOOT DETACHED STRUCTURE, UH, INCLUDING THE GARAGE BAY.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD FOLLOW HDRC GUIDELINES AND REDUCE THE SIZE SO THAT IT IS NOT LARGER THAN 40% OF THE PRINCIPAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION, THE DESIGN DOES NOT MEET THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.
THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MINIMUM SETBACK STANDARDS, THE REQUIRED STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, THE DRIVEWAY IS, UH, WAY TOO WIDE AT 44 FEET.
THESE ARE ALL THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ENTIRE DESIGN.
SO GOING FROM MY LEFT, UM, COMMISSIONER GEVA? NO QUESTION, SIR.
COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, THANK YOU.
SO, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, HAVE, ARE YOU WILLING TO DO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? UH, UH, WHAT IS THAT? WELL, YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO GET THIS APPROVED BEFORE, OR MAYBE THAT'S THAT, LET'S GO BACK.
WHAT'S THE WHAT? I I, I IT WASN'T THIS DESIGN, THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING WAS ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
DID YOU EVER DO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE YOU COME IN FOR, UH, LIKE DISCUSSION AND WE LIKE KIND OF COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS AND WE KIND OF MAKE YOU
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EXPLAIN? YEAH, I DID.I JUST DIDN'T DO IT ON THIS ONE.
AND THEN DO YOU, I THINK IF YOU HEARD THE NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS AND THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE SPECIFIC? I UNDERSTAND, BUT MY DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN PRESENT SINCE I BOUGHT THE PLACE AND IT'S BEEN THAT BIG SINCE THAT TIME, SO, YOU KNOW.
IT'S BEEN, THAT'S A VERY, UM, CAN STAFFS RELATE TO THAT OR CAN YOU COMMENT TO THAT? IS THAT IT IS A DRIVEWAY OR IS IT JUST, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? B BASED ON THE AERIAL PHOTO THERE, THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, WIDE, UM, AREA BACK THERE.
BUT, UM, ANYTIME THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WOULD REVIEW THE REQUEST FOR THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AGAINST GUIDELINES.
SO DO YOU HAVE A CURB CUT MR. MCINTOSH? LIKE, OR WHAT DO YOU SAY WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY? THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CURB CUT ANYWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THERE A SIDEWALK? THERE'S THERE'S A SIDEWALK, YEAH.
WHILE THEY PULL UP GOOGLE DRIVE, DO YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATION ABOUT THE SIZE, ABOUT THE 40% LESS THAN THE PRIMARY HOUSE? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT IS, IS AFFECTS MY DESIGN.
I HAVE A BIG LOT AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS THIS, UH, ONE PLAT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SPLITTING IT UP? YOU KNOW, IT'S A CORNER LOT, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ALSO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
I, I, I, I THOUGHT ABOUT SPLITTING IT.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO GO TO START THAT.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY A SURVEYOR.
THEN THE, THE GUIDELINES FOR, FOR, UM, FOR EXTERIOR THEN WOULD APPLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE UNIT.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD DO IF I KNEW HOW TO DO IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT MR. MCINTOSH, DO YOU SEE THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? UH, I'M LOOKING AT MY PHONE.
LET ME, LET ME, LET ME LOOK AT THE SCREEN.
SO LIKE, THAT'S A SLIDING GATE, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? UH, IT'S A, IT'S A SWINGING GATE.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE 44 FEET OR YOU'RE EXPANDING ON, ON THAT? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S THERE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 26, YOU STILL WANNA DO A 44, WHATEVER THAT IS.
THAT'S NOT CHANGING, BUT YOU'RE ADDING TO IT.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ADDING TO ANY, ANY ELEMENT OF THE GATE OR THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S JUST I NEED TO PUT A BUILDING BEHIND THAT DRIVEWAY OR IN THAT SPACE.
UM, COMMISSIONER SANTES? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, I WANT, I KIND OF GOT SIDETRACK THIS, LISTENING TO THAT LAST PART.
UM, YOU WANTED TO PUT TWO, UH, RENTAL PROPERTIES UP THERE.
I NEED TO JUST, UH, IT, IT, IT, I NEED TWO UNITS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW THEY LOOK OR WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, I, SO I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS LONG AS I COULD GET, YOU KNOW, A, A DECENT SIZED TWO UNITS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD WANNA LIVE IN RENT.
AND, AND THAT 40% IS I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST STIPULATIONS THERE THAT IS AFFECTING THE DESIGN.
STAFF, DID YOU WORK WITH THIS? DID YOU WORK WITH HIM ON THE 40%, THE FOOTPRINT, THE CURB CUT, THE DRIVEWAY, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING ABOUT IS, IS HE MADE AWARE OF ALL OF THIS? YEAH, UH, SO KAITLYN WAS THE CASE MANAGER.
UM, SHE'S OUT TODAY, SO BRIAN'S JUST COVERING, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HE CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT YES, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ALWAYS COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND, UM, PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS HERE, AND WE, WE DO HAVE A INDIVIDUAL FINDING FOR THIS, IS JUST THE NATURE OF A THREE CAR GARAGE ITSELF.
UM, THAT IS NOT REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO NOBODY IS SAYING YOU CAN'T ACHIEVE TWO UNITS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO INCORPORATE MASSING AND PARKING SOLUTIONS THAT COMPLY WITH, WITH THE GUIDELINES.
I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH GETTING RID OF THE GARAGE.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE 40% OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, SO, AND THAT'S A GUIDELINE.
AND SO, AND YOU DO HAVE A LARGE LOT, AND SO YOU'RE ABLE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT MEET THAT SPECIFIC GUIDELINE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR OVERALL KIND OF RESPONSIVE DESIGN, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE SPACE YOU HAVE AVAILABLE ON THE LOT, CONSIDER ADDITIONAL SETBACKS IF YOU'RE DOING ADDITIONAL SIZE.
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MAYBE IT'S NOT TWO STORIES, MAYBE IT'S ONE AND A HALF AND MAYBE IT'S NOT ONE BIG BUILDING, MAYBE IT'S TWO BUILDINGS.UM, BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED WHAT YOU SUBMITTED AND WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE GUIDELINES.
YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS GOES UP, DOES HE NEED TO REZONE? UM, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE WORTH A CALL TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ZONING TEAM TO CONFIRM.
I'VE, I'VE DONE ALL THE ZONING STUFF.
I'VE JUST REZONED THIS PLACE AT LEAST 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLY, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
HAVE YOU MET WITH THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? UH, NOT REALLY.
I CAN, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THAT.
YEAH, I'M OFF SITE, SO I, I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS DONE, UM, WITH THE LITTLE TIME THAT I DO HAVE, UM, AND WITH THE, WITH THE FUNDS THAT I COULD MUSTER UP.
UM, MR. MCINTOSH, SO WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING THINGS OF NATURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DONE SO YOU CAN, I GUESS, RENT IT OUT, THINGS OF NATURE.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TELLING YOU AS FAR AS THE GUIDELINES ARE CONCERNED AND, AND WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AND THINGS OF NATURE, THAT YOU'RE NOT SORT OF AWARE OF IT OR KIND OF A LOOP TO THAT.
SO ARE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE IS, I MEAN, SAY THAT YOU CAN'T GO OVER 40, UM, PERCENT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE INTERPRETING THE GUIDELINES.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, SIR? OKAY.
NO, THAT WAS THE QUESTION, SIR.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR.
I DON'T WHETHER I'M AWARE OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE GUIDELINES THERE ARE FOR YOUR PROPERTY HERE.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE BEFORE HDRC BECAUSE WE'RE THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING THERE, IT CAN EXCEED 40%.
SO IT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE NOT CLEAR ON THAT.
SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M CLEAR ON THAT, SIR.
BUT IF, IF SOMEONE IS ON A LOT THAT'S AN ACRE BIG, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING MINE IS, I'M JUST USING THAT AS A EXAMPLE, AS AN EXAGGERATION.
IF SOMEBODY'S ON A HUGE LOT AND THEIR HOUSE IS 2000 SQUARE FEET, THEY CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING EXCEPT, UH, YOU KNOW, 40% OF 2000 SQUARE FEET.
YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME I'M BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION TO SAY, OKAY, THAT IS A GUIDELINE, BUT WE WILL WAIVE OR GO, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE LOT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE GUIDELINES, BUT IF YOU ARE JUST, IF YOU KNOW, CHECKING THE BOX ON WHAT, UH, THE CITY STAFF HAS, UM, AS APO, UH, HAS APPROVED, THEN YOU KNOW, THE COMMIT, THE, WE COULD JUST DEAL WITH THEM AND AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, SITTING THROUGH A, A, A, A MEETING OF THIS NATURE.
SO, UM, I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, WELL, WE'LL GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR, UH, YOU MR. MCINTOSH OR FOR STAFF.
WHAT IS THE, UH, PERCENTAGE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE EXISTING? YES.
AND FINDING D IT OUTLINES THIS.
UH, SO THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE FEATURES A BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 2,277 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD BE 72%, UM, OF, OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES, TOTAL FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, AND WE MAY WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND SEND THIS TO A DRC, BUT, UM, GETTING TWO RENTAL UNITS BACK THERE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A ONE BEDROOM UNITS OR STUDIO UNITS SO THAT THIS, THE MASSING AND SIZE OF THIS, UH, STRUCTURE IS, UH, REDUCED? I, I WOULD CONSIDER ANYTHING THAT IS PRACTICAL AND THAT MAKES SENSE.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA, NEXT QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MAVIN, UH, NO QUESTION.
A BIT OF A COMMENT OR QUESTION IN THE COMMENT IS, UH, BEFORE YOU DO IT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE IN QUESTION MODE RIGHT NOW, SO, WELL, WELL, THE QUESTION I GUESS IS
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SO, SO THAT I GET A SENSE, I'VE, I'VE DONE A, A SATELLITE VIEW AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SWINGING GATES ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS BEING BUILT.IT'S BEING BUILT AT THE, AT, AT THE END OF THE LOT.
UM, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.
IS IS THAT IT'S THE, THE, THE PLACEMENT IS NOT REALLY, I TOLD THE ARCHITECT, 'CAUSE HE HAD IT A, A BIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT THE UPDATE, BUT THERE WAS A DRAWING WHERE IT WAS FURTHER DOWN AND I TOLD HIM NO, ALIGN IT WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT.
LET ME LOOK AT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, OKAY, SO WHAT THAT, THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'S AT IN THE, IN THE OTHER DRAWINGS.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER MADMAN, WILL YOU YEAH, PLEASE, SIR.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? YES, MR. MCINTOSH, DOES YOUR ARCHITECT HAVE THE GUIDELINES? DID HE USE THE GUIDELINES AS SORT GUIDELINES TO, TO DRAFT THESE, UH, PRODUCT FOR YOU? UH, HE PROBABLY DIDN'T BECAUSE IF HE DID, WE WOULDN'T BE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GIVE HIM THE GUIDELINES AND TELL HIM TO STAY WITHIN THESE LIMITS.
AND THEN IF SOMETHING COMES OUTTA THE LIMITS, WELL THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD KIND OF ADDRESS THE SINGLE, SINGLE ISSUE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
YES, I MOVE TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, MOVING PROPERLY, SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
YES, I THINK THERE'S, UH, ENOUGH HERE TO WARRANT, UH, FURTHER IN DEPTH DISCUSSION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS DESCRIBING.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED ALSO, UH, EXPLORING THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE PERCENTAGES, UH, TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, MR. MCINTOSH, IF YOU COULD BRING YOUR ARCHITECT TO THIS, IT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I CAN'T AFFORD TO, TO HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO COME TO THIS STUFF.
I HAVE TO GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, HEY MAN, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT'S UP.
BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO, TO, I'M JUST A GUY WITH A HOUSE.
UM, MR. MCINTOSH, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, UM, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, IS OUR, OUR, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO INTERPRET THE GUIDELINES AND TO, UM, TO HELP APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, GET THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT OR DESIRE TO DO, BUT THAT FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
UM, IT APPEARS, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE NOT QUITE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU WANT.
AND, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST.
SIR, SIR, PLEASE, PLEASE, I'VE, I'VE GIVEN YOU PLENTY OF LEEWAY TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, ONCE WE, UM, GO TO THIS DRCI WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO ONE, YOU KNOW, BRUSH UP ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BRING THE ARCHITECT TO IT, BUT SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE IN ORDER FOR US TO TRY TO HELP YOU TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COURSE THAT STAYS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, SO THAT'S JUST MY ENCOURAGEMENT FOR YOU, SIR.
YOU, UM, CAN TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY YOU CHOOSE, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND THEN, UM, DEFINITELY WOULD CUT DOWN ON THE FRUSTRATION FOR YOU.
UM, AS WE TRY TO MOVE, UM, MOVE YOU THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THERE ARE NO OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
I I I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE ARCHITECT COULD WATCH THE RECORDING OF THIS.
UH, AND, AND IF HE CAN'T COME TO THE MEETING, HE CAN AT LEAST SEE THE CLIP IN THE DISCUSSION HERE.
UH, I'LL, I'LL GET WITH THE STAFF AND SEE HOW TO, UM, GET HIM THAT LINK.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
UM, THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK TODAY.