Oct 17, 2025 Historic Compliance and Technical Advisory Board

[9:00 AM – Call to Order]

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I HAD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD FOR FRIDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, 2025.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS FLORES.

HERE.

GARCIA ARD.

UH, ARD.

HERE.

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SPILLER? HERE.

HERE.

SETZER.

FULLERTON.

P*****K.

HERE.

VASQUEZ.

HERE IN SEPULVEDA.

HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

TRANSLATION SERVICES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JASON VOSS IS VICE CHAIR AND JUANITA VEDA IS THE CHAIR.

IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.

IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT, UH, ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME.

THE SPEAKERS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.

AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND RECORDING.

YEP.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

HAPPY FRIDAY.

UM, FIRST ITEM IS JUST APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UH, SEPTEMBER 19TH.

THANK YOU.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THANK YOU.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL FLORES.

AYE.

GARCIA? AYE.

ARD AYE.

SPILLER.

AYE.

P*****K.

AYE.

VASQUEZ.

AYE.

AND SEPULVEDA.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

AT THIS TIME, UH, WE NORMALLY TAKE CARE OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM AT EIGHT 14.

MASON.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT ITEM.

THANK YOU.

THERE.

ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, APPROVAL? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

SECOND.

I SECOND.

THANK YOU.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL FLORES.

AYE.

GARCIA? AYE.

REGARD? AYE.

SPILLER AYE.

P*****K.

AYE.

VASQUEZ AYE.

AND SEPULVEDA AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

THANKS, ADRIAN.

FIRST

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]

THIS IS CTAP CASE 2025 DASH 2 55 FOR, UH, 3 3 2 FLORIDA STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE AN EXISTING FOUR FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND INSTALL A FIVE FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN ITS PLACE.

AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, EXTENDING FROM THE STREET TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET, WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND I, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE GOES.

IS THE APPLICANT FOR 3, 3, 2 FLORIDA HERE? SO WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT TO REPRESENT THE ITEM, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE UP THE CASE.

IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

UM, AND STAFF OBVIOUSLY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

SIR, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THIS CASE OR DELAY? I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO THINK WE CAN, WE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE CASE, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED AND KNOWING OUR PREVIOUS DECISIONS IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHTS OF, UM, VARIOUS FENCES AND, AND BOUNDARIES.

SO I, I WOULD BE OKAY MOVING FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION AND, AND A VOTE.

GREAT.

THEN LET'S GO.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, UHHUH? OH, ANYTHING FOR STAFF AND I, I KNOW THAT OUR, OUR DILIGENT ABOUT THIS.

HOW MANY TIMES DID WE ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT TO 'EM AND WERE, WE DID RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF RESPONSE FROM THEM? YES.

SO I DID HAVE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA POSTING BOTH BY PHONE AND BY EMAIL BECAUSE THEY HAD AMENDED THE REQUEST.

UM, ORIGINALLY THE REQUEST WAS DIFFERENT FROM IT WHAT IT IS NOW.

SO WE HAD BEEN IN CONVERSATION, UM, BUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WEEK SINCE THE AGENDA HAS BEEN POSTED SINCE WE SENT OUT THAT NOTICE THAT THEIR, UM, THAT THEIR REQUEST WAS ON THIS AGENDA.

I HAD NOT, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.

OKAY.

BUT IT'S BEEN LESS THAN, IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A WEEK.

WHY? OR WITHIN THE WEEK.

SO AGAIN, SO THE, UM, MY LAST COMMUNICATION WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN A LITTLE BIT, UM, BEYOND THAT SINCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS REQUEST WOULD'VE COME TO US, UM, PROBABLY A FEW WEEKS AGO WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR COMMISSION MEETING ONCE A MONTH.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR AGENDA IS POSTED, UM, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AGO.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE EMAIL OUT THE NOTICE, THE OFFICIAL NOTICE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION IN THE HEARING DATE.

BUT THEY WERE AWARE OF THE HEARING DATE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M CONFIDENT AS WELL.

OKAY.

I'M CONFIDENT THEY'VE MADE EVERY ATTEMPT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS JUAN.

UM, UH, JUST A ADDITIONAL, JUST ANOTHER IDEA.

WE CAN PUSH THIS TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AND IN THE EVENT THE APPLICANT SHOWS UP IN THE MEANTIME, OR IF THEY DON'T, WE CAN TAKE IT UP AS THE LAST CASE IF YOU'D LIKE.

IT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, THIS APPLICANT WE KNOW, UM, AND SO IT IS SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RESPONSIVE AND SO MAYBE WE CAN REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE FIRM LIKE BILLY.

OKAY.

THEN, UM, LET'S GO WITH THE NEXT CASE ON MESQUITE.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS CTAP CASE 2025 DASH 2 7 0 FOR 1 0 0 8 NORTH MESQUITE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL OF CEMENT FIBERBOARD SIDING, FEATURING A TEXTURED FINISH ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS.

A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD SIDING WITH A HISTORIC PROFILE.

A SIDING SAMPLE MUST BE PROVIDED TO STAFF FOR FIELD VERIFICATION PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.

SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE CEMENT FIBERBOARD SIDING, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE NEW SIDING BE TURNED OVER TO FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH WITH A FIVE INCH REVEAL.

AND THE, THE APPLICANTS MR. AND MRS. GAAN ARE HERE IN PERSON.

WOULD YOU PLEASE LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? YOU'LL HAVE 15

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THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS FRANK GAAN.

UM, MYSELF AND MY WIFE HERE, WELL, THIS WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO BEARING, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY.

SINCE, UM, THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, YOU JUST INTRODUCED ME, MARGARET GAAN, THE HOUSE AT 10 0 8 BELONGED TO MY GRANDPARENTS AND UNCLE.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1930 AND THEY BOUGHT IT IN 1943 OR 1945.

IT'S, UH, WHEN IT WAS ABOUT 13, 15 YEARS OLD.

UH, IT CONSISTED ONLY OF THE CURRENT LEFT SIDE WITH THREE BEDROOMS, UM, AND THE TWO ADDITIONAL ROOMS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT WAS BASICALLY ROTTED OUT.

UM, AND WE PUT THE, UH, HARDY PLANK ONTO WERE BUILT BY THREE BROTHERS, ONE OF WHICH WAS MY DAD.

AND NONE OF THEM WERE BUILDERS BY ANY MEANS.

UM, ONE OF THE TWO ROOMS THAT WERE BUILT BY THEM STARTED OUT AS A PORCH.

IT WAS ONE BEDROOM ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND A PORCH BEHIND IT.

AND THAT IS THE SIDE THAT GOT ENCLOSED.

THAT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL BUILD.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY PUT IN.

AND, UM, ANYWAY, IT WAS ENCLOSED AND BECAME ANOTHER BEDROOM.

THE WOOD ON THE F THAT THE FAM, OH, IT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE DUE TO THE, UM, IT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND ROTTEN DUE TO A LEAKING ROOF AND AC UNIT.

IT WAS PRETTY BAD.

WE BROUGHT A SAMPLE OF THE ROTTEN WOOD IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

UM, THE ALUMINUM SIDING WAS ADDED IN THE SEVENTIES, WE THINK ABOUT 75 TO COVER THE 45-YEAR-OLD WOOD.

AND AGAIN, THE HOUSE WAS IN TOTAL DISREPAIR AND THE RIGHT SIDE HAD VERY POOR SUPPORT ON FLOOR AND CEILING.

WE LOOKED FOR MATERIAL TO COVER THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT HAD TO HAVE, UM, ALL THE ROTTEN WOOD REMOVED.

IT WAS BASICALLY A, A OPEN WALL WITH THE WOOD BEING SO ROTTEN.

AND WE LOOKED FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE MIMIC THE ALUMINUM, WHICH WAS THERE.

IT'S ALL, IT WAS ALL ALUMINUM SIDING, UH, THAT THEY PUT IN.

UH, AROUND 1975, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD MIMIC THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND THE PARTY PLANK HAD GROOVES JUST LIKE THE FAUX WOOD OF THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD MATCH.

AND, UM, AND ALL OF THE DESTROYED BENT SIDING WAS REPLACED AND WAS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

WE WERE QUOTED ABOUT $10,000 JUST FOR THE WOOD TO BE MILLED TO MATCH WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH.

AND WE COULD NO WAY AFFORD THIS.

IT WOULD SAY WOULD BE A HUGE HARDSHIP AND IS A HUGE HARDSHIP.

WE'VE, UM, OBTAINED A LOAN AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT LOAN OF 50,000 PLUS, UM, TOOK MONEY OUT OF OUR RETIREMENT TO TRY TO FINISH AND WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF IT DONE.

THE HARDY PLANK OVERLAP, LIKE THE WOOD AND SIDING, LIKE I SAID, IT EVEN HAD THE FA WOOD PATTERN.

WE TRIED TO MIMIC IT, LIKE I SAID, AND IT'S VERY CLOSE.

IF WE'RE MADE TO REMOVE ALL THE HARDY PLANK AND REPLACE IT WITH MILLWOOD, IT WOULD BE BEYOND AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY.

SINCE WE ARE ALREADY ACQUIRED THE LOAN I MENTIONED FOR REPAIRS AND HAD TO DIP INTO OTHER FUNDS, WE WOULD HAVE TO STOP THE RENOVATION OF OUR FAMILY'S HOME.

THE FAMILY, UM, JUST AS JUST AN ASIDE, THE FAMILY BOUGHT FIVE HOMES ON THE MESQUITE STREET, THREE BROTHERS AND AN AUNT OF THEIRS.

AND WE CURRENTLY, THE FAMILY STILL OWNS THREE OF THEM.

AND, UM, ONE IS NOW A VERY MODERN TWO STORY HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

UM, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT IS OUR, OUR REQUEST THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED 'CAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REMOVE REMOVING THE HARDY PLANK WILL DESTROY IT.

IT DOES NOT.

THE CEMENT DOES.

IT BREAKS AND WE WOULD LOSE ALL THAT MONEY.

IT WON'T, IT WILL NOT MAINTAIN AND IT WOULD BE ANOTHER $10,000 JUST FOR MILLING OF THE WOOD.

SO, CAN I ADD SOMETHING? YES, YES, BY ALL MEANS.

OKAY.

UH, WHAT WE DID, IF, IF YOU HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, ADRIAN FOR A SECOND, WHAT WE TRY TO DO, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING EXISTING THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF

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SO WHAT WE DID IS WE BOUGHT THE ARTY PLANT TO MATCH THAT ALUMINUM SIDING AND IT DOES HAVE THOSE GROOVES IN IT.

SO IT MATCHED IT PERFECTLY.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE USED THE SKIRTING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE JUST TO MAKE SURE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MIMICKED THE WHOLE THING.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAD THE ENTIRE THING HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED.

THE ENTIRE RIGHT SIDE WALLS HAD TO BE COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT WAS TOTALLY ROTTEN.

IT WAS NOT BUILT, IT WAS WHAT WE USED TO CALL IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE USED TO CALL THESE, UH, BUILD IT AS YOU SEE IT, AS OPPOSED TO ANY KIND OF REGULATIONS FOUNDATION, IT WAS ON THE GROUND.

THERE WAS NO FOUNDATION.

THEY JUST PUT FOOT TWO BY SIXES AND THEN STARTED BUILDING THE FLOOR FROM THERE.

THAT'S THE WAY THEY DID THINGS BACK IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES WHEN THESE, THESE, THESE ADDITIONS WERE ADDED.

UH, SO OUR WHOLE INTENT, THIS IS A LEGACY HOME.

WE'RE NOT SLIPPERS.

THIS HOUSE IS GONNA STAY IN THE FAMILY AND IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA RENT IT OUT TO ANYBODY, BUT OTHER THAN OUR RELATIVES, AT LEAST TO PAY FOR THE TAXES AND THE INSURANCE THAT, THAT HAS TO COVER THE HOUSE.

SO EVER SINCE WE'VE, UH, ACQUIRED THE HOUSE, WE'VE ALREADY INQUIRED AND WE HAVE OTHER RELATIVES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING INTO THE HOUSE ONCE WE DO FINISH IT.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S NO INTENTION FOR US TO FLIP.

WE ARE NOT FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS AND IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE, AS Y'ALL HAVE SURE.

HAVE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

'CAUSE WE'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THIS AND IT'S A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

BUT NOW THAT WE LEARNED, UH, UH, WE TRIED TO IMPROVE THE HOUSE BETTER BY, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF USING SHINGLE ROOFING, WE PUT IN METAL ROOFING, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD MIMIC THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE WHERE SHE WAS RAISING BOARD AND, UH, THE HOUSE AT 10 12.

SO IT KIND OF LOOKS THE SAME.

WELL IT IS THE SAME, ACTUALLY SAME ROOFING AND STUFF.

SO WE TRIED TO IMPROVE THE HOUSE AND AGAIN, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL REPLICATED EXACTLY THE WAY THEY WERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MIMIC THE WAY IT WAS.

WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS, UH, THE IDEA HAD TO BE TO EXACTLY DUPLICATE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

AND WE TRIED OUR HARDEST TO DO IT IN, IN AFFORDABLE MANNER WITHOUT REALIZING THAT THE WOOD WAS ROTTED ON THE INSIDE.

WELL, THERE'S PICTURES OF IT AS TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF ROTTEN THAT IT WAS NOT MAINTAINED BASICALLY.

SO I I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A LEGACY HOME.

WE'RE NOT GONNA SELL IT, YOU KNOW, OUR KIDS ARE GONNA INHERIT IT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY OUR GRANDKIDS LIVE THERE BECAUSE, UH, THEY KINDA LIKE THE, THE AREA.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT, THANK YOU.

UM, I'LL START WITH COLLEAGUES ON MY RIGHT.

HI.

HI.

I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SURE.

UM, SO THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT IS INTACT THAT YOU'RE NOT REBUILDING, UM, THAT IS WOOD SIDING OR IS THAT HARDY BOARD? IT IS WOOD SIDING RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE ALUMINUM? YES.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

TALKING ABOUT THE MOM'S HOUSE? NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

THAT IS UHHUH.

THAT WAS NOT, SO THAT WOOD IS INTACT.

HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE? WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT.

YES, MA WELL, WE HAVE A COPY.

WE HAVE A, A SAMPLE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT WASN'T UP KEPT.

IT WAS, UH, ONE THING, THEY CALL IT PINE AT THE TIME, AND WE BROUGHT A SAMPLE OF IT SO Y'ALL COULD SEE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, DETERIORATION THAT'S OCCURRED.

AND IS THAT FROM THE SIDE THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO REBUILD OR IS IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE? NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, UH, FINISHING, UH, WITH HARDY PLANK, BUT WE RAN OUTTA MONEY, SO WE LEFT THAT AS IS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE FROM THE SIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE FROM THE SIDE, IT RUNS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL ONE PIECE.

LIKE THIS SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU THERE.

UH, SHE'S SIDING AND UH, IF YOU LOOK BELOW THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE HARDY PLANK ON ALL THE SKIRTING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

WE WENT ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, MS. UH, GARCIA, TO SHOOT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AND WE COULD SHOW YOU THAT SLIDE THAT HAS, THE WOOD HAS BEEN DETERIORATED.

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT HAS THE ALUMINUM SIDING ON IT, BUT WE SHOT IT FROM THE INSIDE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS REPRESENTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE THESE WATER STAINS ON THERE AND IT SHOWS IT'S PRETTY ROTTEN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE.

OKAY.

AGAIN, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS A SHOT OF WHAT WALL? ONE OF THE EXISTING WALLS EXISTING WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE SIDE.

THAT'S FINE.

ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

'CAUSE WE ACCESSED THAT WE DID NOT ACCESS THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF THEN.

UM, IF WE WERE TO ASK THEM TO USE WOOD SIDING, UH, WITH A PROFILE THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ASKED TO REMOVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING THEN TO EXPOSE THAT ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING OR, I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH AND WHY.

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UM, BUT WE DO LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN GO OFF OF THERE.

SO WHAT IS PROPOSED IS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING SIDING IN SOME SECTIONS AND REPLACE WITH HARDY.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.

ONCE YOU'VE REMOVED SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE CONDITION AND THE EXISTING MATERIALS, WHETHER WE THINK THEY'RE ORIGINAL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND SO THAT RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE IDEA OF REPLACING, UH, WITH HARDY, UM, IF THERE ARE EXISTING AREAS WHERE SIGHTING IS TO REMAIN UNTOUCHED, THEY CAN REMAIN UNTOUCHED.

AND WHEN YOU SAY SIDING, YOU MEAN THE ALUMINUM, THE ALUMINUM SIDING.

THE ALUMINUM, YEAH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO YOU'RE SAYING TO LEAVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING ON THAT SIDE, ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE IT'S TO LEAVE THAT, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE YOU TO TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IN A DIFFERENT SIDING IF YOU AREN'T TOUCHING IT ALREADY.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING, IT CAN STAY.

IF YOU ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT FOR THAT IS.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, CAN I TALK DIRECTLY TO HIM? UH, WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION YET.

OH, OH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, WELL, IS HE TRYING TO TELL US THAT IF WE DO GO WITH THE HARDY PLANK THAT THAT WE TO PUT IT ON TOP OF THE ALUMINUM SIDING? IS THAT WHAT HE'S SAYING? NO, NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING.

OKAY.

HE'S SAYING THAT IF, UM, MY QUESTION REALLY WAS WHAT YOU WOULD BE REPLACING THE PART THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN OFF WITH THE RECOMMENDING WOOD SIDING, YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE HARDY BOARD OR HARDY PLANK? UM, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE UNDERNEATH THE ALUMINUM SIDING IS CURRENTLY WOULD, SO MY QUESTION WAS WOULD THAT BE WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO MATCH? WOULD THAT ALUMINUM SIDING COME OFF? AND THE ANSWER IS, AS LONG AS YOU HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED, YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT OFF.

SO WE CAN AND DO THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE TOO, A BETTER TIME.

OKAY.

THAT'S SIDE, SIDE TO RIGHT.

WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IS THEN WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT JUST THAT PART IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT SHOULD BE WOOD OR HARDY BOARD.

OKAY.

AND SO IF RIGHT NOW I'M DONE WITH QUESTIONS, I MIGHT COME BACK, BUT THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND COMMISSIONERS, IF I CAN INTERJECT, I'M SO SORRY.

I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT I DID WANNA POINT OUT, UM, AFTER THE APPLICANT'S UH, APP, UH, PRESENTATION, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL THAT I'LL PLAY RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH QUESTIONS.

THAT'S MY APOLOGIES.

GO AHEAD.

ARE WE, DO WE SIT THAT IT STAY HERE? OH, CALLING ON BEHALF OF FOR NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE REGARDING CAF CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 7 0 LOCATED AT TEN EIGHT NORTH MESQUITE.

WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD REPLACE THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIGHTING WITH THE EXACT WOOD SIGHTING THAT MATCHES IT AND SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP THE FULL SIDING THEY INSTALLED.

WOOD SIDING IS GENERALLY AVAILABLE TO BUY AT ANY OF THE TRADITIONAL BOX HOME IMPROVEMENT STORES OR THOSE THAT SELL MORE LUMBER MATERIAL LIKE MCCOY'S.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

CAN I ADD AN ADDITIONAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO THAT COMMENT ABOUT DECIDING BEING COMMONLY AVAILABLE? UM, THERE IS A, A PINE DROP SIDING THAT IS READILY AVAILABLE AT MANY STORES.

UM, IT WOULD NOT BE AN EXACT MATCH FOR THIS HISTORIC PROFILE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT IN THE, THE ANECDOTE ABOUT THE CUSTOM MILLING.

SO JUST KNOW, UM, YOU COULD, UM, AS AN OPTION OR A COMPROMISE APPROVE A MORE COMMONLY AVAILABLE WOOD SIDING.

UM, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES TO MATCH EXISTING SIDING AND PROFILE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS? YES.

OKAY.

UH, ANY QUE ANY QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? NO.

UM, ONLINE MADAM CHAIR? ACTUALLY I DO, GO AHEAD.

SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF REFERENCES ABOUT THE SIDING AND WHAT ACTUALLY, FOR, FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE'RE ONLY ADDRESSING THE SIDING THAT HAS BEEN TOUCHED ALREADY.

IS THAT CORRECT BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD? CORRECT.

JUST THINKING IF SHE HAS A QUESTION.

LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, WAS THAT DOOR CLOSED OR, OR ARE THOSE OPENINGS STILL THERE BECAUSE I SEE TWO WINDOWS AND TWO DOORS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THE DOORS OPEN.

OKAY.

AND THE AND THE DOOR ARE STILL THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

WHO, WHO'S TALKING IS, UM, WERE SHE'S CHAIR THEY WERE MADE AWARE THAT THEY WERE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

IS THAT, THAT'S ALSO CORRECT.

THAT CONFIRMATION.

WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT? WERE THEY MADE AWARE AND WERE THEY AWARE THAT THEY WERE IN THE HISTORICAL

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SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO, OKAY.

AND DID THEY, DID, WAS THERE CONVERSATION WITH THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE? N NOT ABOUT THE SITING.

WE JUST SAW THAT IT WAS A MATCH TO THE ALUMINUM SIDING THAT THE, UM, HARDY PLANK WAS A MATCH TO THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE REPLACING.

THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE OHP WAS STRICTLY ABOUT REPLACING THE ROOF.

THE ROOF WAS SHINGLED AND WE UPGRADED IT TO METAL.

SO YOU ASK IF WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OHP, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE AND THAT WAS APPROVED, OBVIOUSLY.

SO YOU WERE SO, AND WINDOWS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU WERE AWARE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHEN WE, WHEN YOU MADE MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR HOME OF THE ROOF, AND THEN WHEN ADRIAN, EXCUSE ME, THE QUESTION IS, YOU WERE AWARE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHEN YOU WERE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR HOME IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SAME APPROVAL YOU GOT FOR YOUR ROOF? YEAH, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD TO GET APPROVAL FOR REPLACING, UM, SIDING, SIDING, SIDING SINCE IT WAS MIMICKING WHAT WE HAD.

BUT IT'S FOR ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR, I'M SORRY, LIKE THE ROOF SING, I THOUGHT SINCE WE WERE MIMICKING, I THOUGHT BECAUSE WE WERE MIMICKING OR WE THOUGHT THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND THE, THE FULL LOOK ON IT THAT WE WOULD, IT WAS OKAY TO DO.

DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

BUT IT BUT YOU DID ORIGINALLY GO IN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROOF IN ADDRESSING THE ROOF, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE WAS YOU WERE, SO THEREFORE YOU WERE INFORMED THAT YOU WERE IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT TALKING TO MAKE SURE THAT DUE THE HOUSE WAS GONNA BE A LEGACY HOUSE AND NOT A RENTAL.

YOU WERE AWARE OF ANY KIND OF CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR? NO.

DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ALUMINUM THAT, UH, WE THOUGHT, 'CAUSE WE WERE, IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT WAS UP THERE THAT, THAT WAS WORK WE LOOKED FOR.

SO YOU DIDN'T GET, OKAY, SO MY OTHER QUESTION THEN WOULD BE, SO YOU NEVER GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHEN YOU DID THE ROOFING EITHER? WE DID, WE DID.

THAT WAS THE EARLY INTRODUCTION TO O-H-P-I-I SAID THAT EARLIER, I BELIEVE.

OKAY.

WAS THAT ON THE SAME TIME THAT YOU WERE DOING THE SIDING? NO, NO, WE DID THE SIDING FIRST AND THEN THE ROOF.

NO, WE DID THE ROOF FIRST.

NO, FRANK, NO, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS.

I I'M READY.

UH, VICE CHAIR.

I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST HAVE A, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO WHAT MS. VEDO WAS ASKING.

DID YOU TALK TO, UM, THE DING, WINDY HILL, UH, HISTORIC SOCIETY BEFORE YOU BEGAN THESE? NO MA'AM.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY.

I, I, I THINK SHE HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION, BUT I JUST, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR ANSWER.

OH, IS THAT WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO? WELL, I, I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I I, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR ANSWER, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

NO, MA'AM.

OKAY.

UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS, UH, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER .

UM, IF WE ARE IN DISCUSSION THEN I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT AS TO WHAT WAS, UH, THE MATERIAL YOU WERE TRYING TO MATCH.

UM, THE ALUMINUM SIDING IS NOT HISTORIC, RIGHT? SO IN TRYING TO MATCH SOMETHING WITH THE WOOD GRAIN TO THE ALUMINUM SIDING, UM, THAT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WOULDN'T WORK.

UH, SO THAT IS WHY NOW WE'RE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT WHERE, UM, THE ALUMINUM SIDING'S NOT REALLY THE ISSUE, AT LEAST ON THE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.

UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT, UH, REMOVING THE ALUMINUM SIDING OF THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING ON, UM, I AM ACTUALLY LEANING TOWARDS ALLOWING YOU TO, UH, USE HARDY BOARD.

BUT I WOULD DO IT, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS GIVEN IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

AND IS THAT, AND THAT IS THAT HARDY BOARD, UH, NOT HOW THE FAUX GRAIN SIDE SHOWING, UM, IT IS MORE

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UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT DOES GET FLIPPED OVER TO THE PLAIN SIDE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD USE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT, IF ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES NEED TO, UH, DISCUSS THAT WITH ME, BUT THAT IS WHAT, WHAT MY TAKE ON THE SITUATION IS.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU.

I I WOULD, UH, GO AHEAD MADAM CHAIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR.

I, I, I APPRECIATE IT.

I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, MIMIC THE SAME AS MY COLLEAGUE.

I THINK THE CONCERN I WOULD'VE HAD IS THAT ONCE THE SIDING WAS REMOVED, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT EXACTLY WITH THE STAFF THAT HAD THE SIDING NOT BEEN REMOVED, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE AT THIS POINT HAVING TO ADDRESS THE SIDING THAT WAS ALREADY DONE, THAT WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IN SUPPORT OF WHAT MY COLLEGE HAS STATED IS SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND IN, IN BEING ABLE TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WITH THE SIDING.

SO THEREFORE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DRAW IN THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE OF HAVING IT MAILED, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD THAT WAS REMOVED, THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF, OF THE APPROPRIATENESS.

SO THEREFORE WE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT.

WE ALSO CAN'T LOOK AT THE SIDE, THE, THE WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH THE ALUMINUM SIDING BECAUSE WE CAN'T REQUEST TO HAVE IT REMOVED BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD REFER AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE LOAN.

SO AT THIS POINT, UM, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I HAVE TO CONCEDE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, UH, STAFF RECOMMEND.

OH, SORRY.

NO, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE, UM, PARTY, I THINK IT'S A PARTY BOARD, IT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, NOT TO MIMIC THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THE VINYL SIDING, BUT TO, TO TAKE THE SMOOTH SIDE OF THE, UM, PARTY BOARD SO THAT WAY WE CAN MEET SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN WHERE THE, THE HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE THE, THE LOOK OF THE HISTORICAL, BUT YET IT'S GONNA HAVE NEW WALLS LIKE THE, UM, LIKE THE TENANTS NEED QUESTION.

CAN WE ASK THE QUESTION? GO AHEAD.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WE WERE TOLD THE MICROPHONE? DOES ANYONE KNOW? WE WERE TOLD THAT REMOVING THE HARDY PLANK WILL DESTROY IT BECAUSE IT'S CEMENT.

I IT IS A BRITTLE MATERIAL.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT IT COULD BREAK.

UM, IF, IF YOU'RE PULLING ONE END AND NOT KIND OF DOING IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS, TRY AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH YOU ON, UM, ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD AND IT ALL THAT MONEY WOULD BE DESTROYED THAT WE PUT IN.

OKAY.

OKAY, MA'AM? UH, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION AND ANYTHING OVER HERE? NO.

OKAY.

CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

UH, BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO WORK ON THE PART OF THE HOUSE THAT, UM, HAS THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING COVERED BY ALUMINUM THAT YOU DO MEET BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, THAT YOU DO MEET WITH THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT PEOPLE, UM, AND THAT YOU COME TO, UH, THIS OFFICE FOR ADVICE AND GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING NEXT.

UM, WHICH I'M PROBABLY PRETTY SURE YOU ALREADY WILL DO, BUT I JUST HAD TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, LET'S SEE, HOW DO I WANNA SAY THIS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE USE OF CEMENT FIBERBOARD SIDING, FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE NEW SIDING BE TURNED OVER TO FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH WITH A FIVE INCH REVEAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION.

THANK YOU.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ESS AYE.

GARCIA? AYE.

REGARD? AYE.

SPILLER? AYE.

P*****K.

AYE.

VASQUEZ AYE.

AND SEPULVEDA.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE WORK WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION

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NEXT CASE IS 4 55 DONALDSON.

AND THEN COMMISSIONERS JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT FOR 3, 3, 2 FLORIDA IS HERE, SO WE CAN GREAT.

WE'LL DO THEM LAST.

THANK YOU.

READY? HELLO, I'M ANGIE RITZ.

OH, I'M SORRY.

HOLD JUST ONE MOMENT.

ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANT, ANGIE, I'M GONNA BRING UP YOUR FILES NOW.

OH, OKAY.

JUST A MINUTE.

OKAY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR HD OR CT A P.

CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 66 4, UH, 4 55 DONALDSON AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PAINT THE PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED HISTORIC MASONRY ON SITE AND TWO INSTALL WINDOW SHUTTERS ITEM OR ITEM ONE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON THE UH, FINDINGS.

A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO REMOVE THE PAINT ON SITE USING APPROPRIATE PAINT REMOVAL METHODS.

AND ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THE REQUEST TO INSTALL WINDOW SHUTTERS BASED ON FINDINGS A AND D, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE'S TWO IN PERSON SPEAKERS.

AND IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO DO SO.

AND, OKAY.

BRIAN, ARE WE DOING, UH, ARE THERE VOICEMAILS OR, UM, THERE'S NO VOICEMAILS, UH, SUBMITTED FOR THIS CASE, BUT THERE ARE TWO IN PERSON SPEAKERS, SO THEY'LL SPEAK AFTER THE APPLICANT'S MADE THEIR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD AND MA'AM.

OKAY.

I'M ANGIE RITZ, AND THIS IS MY SISTER ALMA GOMEZ.

WE'RE, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

UM, MY PARENTS, THEY'RE ELDERLY AND THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD HEALTH, SO, UM, WE SHOULD TRY TO HELP THEM OUT.

SO THE PLANS FOR THE HOUSE WERE FOR THE MASONRY TO BE PAINTED WHITE AND THE TRIM ON THE WINDOWS, SHUTTERS AND METAL COLUMNS TO BE PAINTED BLACK SHUTTERS WERE ALSO TO BE ADDED TO THE LARGE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND SHUTTERS ON THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE FACING DONALDSON.

THE SHUTTERS WOULD BE OF A PRE-MADE CONSTRUCTION AND FOR DECORATIVE PURPOSES ONLY, I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS, BUT THEY WOULD BE, UH, ALONGSIDE OF THE WINDOWS.

THE PAINT BEING USED IS BEAR, BEHR PREMIUM ELASTROMERIC, MASONRY, STUCCO, AND BRICK PAINT.

IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT ACRYLIC, A WATERPROOF FINISH.

UH, BRIDGES, HAIRLINE CRACKS, UH, BRIDGES, HAIRLINE CRACKS, WITHSTANDS 98 MILE PER HOUR, WIND-DRIVEN RAIN LOW SHEEN, AND IS A MILDEW RESISTANT FINISH.

WE SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT THE HOME ON 4 55 DONALDSON IS NOT AS OLD AS SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORICAL HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE FACT THAT IT WAS, UH, BUILT IN 1958, POSSIBLY THE BRICK MASONRY OF THE HOME CAN WITHSTAND THE APPLICATION OF THE PAINT AND NOT CAUSE THE DAMAGE THAT THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION BELIEVES IT.

WELL, UH, SINCERELY, THE INTENTION WAS TO MAKE THE HOME JUST LOOK MORE APPEALING BY THE HOMEOWNER AND NOT TO DAMAGE THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OR BREAK ANY LAWS OF THE PRESERVATION OFFICE.

IT, IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE BY THE HOMEOWNERS WHO THEY RESIDED ON DONALDSON FOR OVER 35 YEARS, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES TO THIS DEGREE THAT I CAN RECALL.

UM, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE RECONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO.

, SHE'S JUST HERE FOR SUPPORT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

UH, SPEAKERS? YEAH, SPEAKERS.

HAVE A SEAT, MA'AM.

IT'S JUST PAM CARPENTER.

UM, PAM, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

BIANCA MALDONADO IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELDED HER SPEAKING TIME.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME'S PAM CARPENTER, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE 10 MEMBER MP AND A

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THIS TWO STORY RESIDENCE WAS ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER RECENTLY FOR PAINTING THE BRICK MASONRY EXTERIOR.

THE EXTERIOR PAINT COMPROMISES THE PRIMARY DISTINGUISHING VISUAL AND PHYSICAL FEATURES OF THIS PROPERTY.

ITS UNIQUE BRICK COLOR AND CONTRASTING MATERIAL WITH THE BASE TO THE SIDING ABOVE IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE.

NATURAL MASONRY MATERIALS ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF MONTICELLO PARK.

IN GENERAL, OUR HOUSING STOCK IS TYPIFIED BY AUTHENTIC EARTHEN CLAY TONES AND STONE MATERIALS THAT DON'T HAVE COATINGS OR FINISHES TO OBSCURE THE AUTHENTIC MATERIAL, THEY HAVE TAKEN AN INHERENTLY LOW MAINTENANCE MATERIAL AND MADE IT HIGH MAINTENANCE.

CARING FOR PAINTED BRICK IS VERY LABORIOUS IN IT'S A PRE PRECARIOUS PROCESS.

PAINTING BRICK IS A VERY DESTRUCTIVE PRACTICE, AND IT SHOULD BE REMOVED THROUGH THE MOST GENTLE TREATMENTS POSSIBLE.

IT CAN LEAD TO MOLD AND MOISTURE IN THE WALLS AND CAUSES DETERIORATION FROM WITHIN OVER TIME.

PAINT DOES NOT ALLOW MASONRY TO BEHAVE AS IT SHOULD.

PAINTING MASONRY IS NOT ONLY A MATERIAL CONSERVATION ISSUE, PAINT CONCEALS REPAIRS THAT MASONS SHOULD ADDRESS INSTEAD.

OVER TIME, THE BRICK MASONRY, THE BRICK INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAVE TECH MEMOS ON THIS ISSUE.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE PAINT.

2001 KINGS HIGHWAY WAS REVERSED AND MECHANICAL METHODS DO DAMAGE THE MASONRY FINISH, BUT IT NOT HAS NOT BEEN THAT LONG.

AND THE PAINT SHOULD BE REVERSIBLE USING CHEMICAL TREATMENTS THAT ARE, UH, SPECIALTY CHEMICAL COATINGS BY MANUFACTURERS SUCH AS PROCO THAT PROVIDE CUSTOMER FIELD SUPPORT FOR REMOVAL TREATMENTS OF MOST HIGH STRENGTH PAINTS, AS WELL AS OFFER FREE SAMPLES FOR THEIR PRODUCTS TO TEST OUT SUCH AS SAFE STRIP, SAFE STRIP EIGHT OR HEAVY DUTY PAINT REMOVER, ALLOWING THE OWNER NOT TO REMOVE THIS PAINT.

IT'S A BAD PRECEDENT FOR OTHERS WHO DO SO WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THE OFFICE OF OHP, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG DONALDSON, ESPECIALLY THAT HAVE HAD TO DO SO IN THE PAST.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S SOME PAINTED MASONRY STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WAS THE REASON FOR THE CREATION OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT TO PRESERVE WHAT HAS NOT BEEN LOST.

THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL AS WELL AS THE CONSISTENCY OF THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO BE RESTORED AND NOT FURTHER COMPROMISED.

THE NATURAL PALETTE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NEEDS TO PREVAIL.

THE PAINT NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED OFF.

4 45, 4 55 DONALDSON BECAUSE IT'S A CONTRIBUTING PART OF A COLLECTIVE RESOURCE THAT IS A WELL-PRESERVED HISTORIC DISTRICT.

OWNERS OF THESE HOMES BUY INTO ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ADHERE TO GUIDELINES TO PRESERVE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY.

THERE IS A NOTIFICATION CARD ON EVERY FRONT DOOR EACH YEAR IN MAY THAT OHP REMINDS THE OWNER THAT THE HOME IS HISTORIC.

AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S THE QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER THAT'S ALSO DELIVERED TO EVERY DOOR THAT HAS A RUNNING REMINDER THAT CITY PERMISSION IS REQUIRED FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.

THIS HOME RECEIVED AN OHP MODIFICATION OR CERTIFICATE FOR THEIR GARAGE ELEMENT IN WORK IN THE PAST.

THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS SUCH AS THIS, THE BLACK AND WHITE PAINTING IN THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS A CONTAGION THAT ISN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THIS DISTRICT.

IT'S A WARM, NATURAL STONE, UH, HISTORIC AREA.

THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES ON MY RIGHT.

UM, LOOKING AT ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT'S IN, UH, THE APPLICATION OR YEAH.

IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE FRONT AND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE HAVE BEEN FULLY PAINTED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THAT WELL LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONLY PARTIALLY PAINTED IS SO HAS THE WHOLE GROUND FLOOR, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT SIDE RIGHT THERE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HAS BEEN PAINTED.

AND IS THAT IN THE BACK OR ON THE SIDE? IT'S ON THE SIDE.

OKAY.

UM, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PAINT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THESE SHUTTERS MM-HMM .

UM, IF YOU'RE COMING HERE FOR PERMISSION TO USE SHUTTERS,

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MM-HMM .

UM, AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS A POINT, UH, BECAUSE YEAH.

SHUTTERS DON'T REALLY GO WITH THE STYLE OF THIS HOME.

OKAY.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

OKAY.

BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION AND A, AND A COMMENT.

SO THE COMMENT FIRST.

OH, THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE COMMENT.

FIRST IS TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I REALLY WANNA APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS ROLLING AROUND IN MY MIND.

UH, IS ALL THE PEOPLE, OR ARE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT NOTIFIED ANNUALLY OF WHERE THEY LIVE, WHAT CAN BE DONE, WHAT CANNOT BE DONE? SO I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING AROUND IN MY MIND IS ARE THEY GIVEN THAT NOTIFICATION ANNUALLY? SO, THANK YOU.

UM, THE QUESTION DEALS WITH THE PAINTING.

UM, WHEN DID THAT, WHEN, BECAUSE BECAUSE I AGREE THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT HALF DONE HALFWAY, ET CETERA.

WHEN WAS THE WHITE PAINTING DONE? I REALIZE THAT IT'S, IT'S, YOU GOT A, A STOP ORDER.

BUT WHEN WAS THE WHITE PAINTING DONE? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? WHENEVER THAT DAY.

WAS IT, THEY GAVE US THE YELLOW STOP YEAH.

THAT DAY.

AND THAT'S THE DAY THEY STOPPED.

OKAY.

WHAT MONTH WAS THAT? AND GO AHEAD, BRENT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS SO STAFF CAN ADD SOME, UH, CLARITY TO THAT.

SO STAFF OHP STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORKER BASED, UH, STOP WORK ORDER BASED ON A 3 1 1 REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED THE WEEKEND BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST.

SO IT, IT IS BEEN ON THE HOUSE FOR LESS THAN A MONTH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

GO AHEAD.

AND, UH, THIS MAY TO STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO REMOVE THE PAINT? UM, THAT, THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WE WOULD NOT HAVE AVAILABLE.

ANYTHING ELSE? UH, MADAM CHAIR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES, ACTUALLY I DO.

YES, GO AHEAD.

UM, SEEING THAT THE, I GUESS MY CLARIFICATION WITH THE NOTIFICATION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NOTIFICATION, ARE ALL THOSE REGULATIONS SENT DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE, THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST WHERE THEY LIVE OR WHAT THEY FALL INTO, BUT WHAT REGULATIONS APPLY TO THEM? WHICH I'M SURE IT IS.

THE STAFF IS VERY, VERY DILIGENT ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS, UM, IN, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES, AND I KNOW THAT WE DO PRESENTATIONS OFTEN, WE HAVE THESE LIKE, UM, SAMPLES AND THINGS THAT NEED TO WRITE.

AND DID, THEY ACTUALLY, DID, DID, DID THESE CLIENTS ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THE MONTICELLO ORGANIZATION TO WORK WITH THEM? ARE THEY ASKING IF WE REACHED, THEY'RE ASKING IF THEY REACHED OUT? NO, THEY'RE ASKING THE, OR SHE'S ASKING THE YEAH, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY JUST, I KNOW THEY DIDN'T NO, THEY DID.

THEY NO, THEY DID NOT.

NO, THANK YOU.

THEY'RE LIKE, IN THEIR LATE EIGHTIES, SHE JUST WANTED TO PAINT HER HOUSE.

SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA CAUSE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. WELL, MA'AM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I MEAN SHE'S 86 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

WE'RE JUST HERE TO REPRESENT THEM.

SURE.