Oct 15, 2019 Public Safety Committee on 2019-10-15 2:00 PM

COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.

COUNCIL MEMBER GRA COUNCIL MEMBER .

COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE.

AND CHAIRWOMAN SANDOVAL.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DENISE.

UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TODAY'S AGENDA, I WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT, UH, THE TRAGIC LOSS THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS MORNING.

FIREFIGHTER GREG GARZA, A 17 YEAR VETERAN OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND HE GAVE HIS LIFE IN THE LINE OF SERVICE.

UH, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, FIREFIGHTER GARZA WAS A CHEERFUL FIRST RESPONDER, A BELOVED TEAM MEMBER, AND A CHERISHED HUSBAND.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE AND JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE ON HIS BEHALF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN.

UH,

[1. 19-7785 Approval of the minutes from the Public Safety Committee meeting on September 20, 2019]

THE FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.

UM, WE REVIEWED THOSE AND WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF, UH, DETAILS THAT WERE, UH, THAT WERE LEFT OUT.

SO AT THIS MO POINT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE POSTPONEMENT OF THE MINUTES TO OUR FOLLOWING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION? YES.

SO MOVED.

SECOND.

UM, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FIRST QUARTERLY UPDATE OF THE EXPANDED SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM INITIATED ON JULY ONE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DELAY THE MINUTES TO THE NOVEMBER PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[2. 19-7784 Briefing and possible action on the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) first quarterly update on the expanded cite and release program initiated on July 1, 2019 [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]

MS. VIE, MISS, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN.

AND, UM, TODAY WE ARE, UH, PLEASED TO INFORM THIS COMMITTEE OF THE RESULTS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE EXPANSION OF THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM.

THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT BEGAN THIS EXPANSION ON JULY ONE, AND WE ARE PRESENTING TO THIS COMMITTEE A PRELIMINARY REPORT, UH, WITH RESULTS THROUGH THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.

SO WE HAVE, UH, POLICE CHIEF MCMANUS WHO'S GONNA LEAD THE PRESENTATION.

UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, CHIEF BOBBY BLANTON, WHO HAS BEEN, UH, LEADING THIS EFFORT, UH, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A GUEST, UH, FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, CHRISTIAN HENRICKSON, UH, THE CHIEF OF LITIGATION, UH, FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS HERE JOINING US ALSO TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE RESULTS OF THE FIRST QUARTER REPORT.

SO, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF MCMANUS.

THANK YOU, MARIA.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO, UH, THE DA IS ALSO HERE, UH, SITTING TO MY RIGHT, AND CHRISTIAN IS HIS POLICY LEAD ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE AT THE TABLE WITH US.

ON THE SECOND SLIDE, THERE'LL BE A, A PIECE THAT CHRISTIAN WILL TALK ABOUT.

UH, BUT ON YOUR FIRST SLIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, MARIA JUST MENTIONED WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, EXPANDING THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXPANDING THE, THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM THAT WE ALREADY HAD IN PLACE.

AND WHAT, WHAT MARIA WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS CITED OR CITED OR ARRESTED FOR CLASS C MISDEMEANORS AND CITY ORDINANCES.

SO THERE WAS ALWAYS SOME SEMBLANCE OF A SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM, UH, IN PLAY.

UH, IN S A P D, THE, THE SELLING POINT FOR SS A P D IN PARTICIPATING IN THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM IS THAT IT ALLOWS OFFICERS TO RETURN TO THE FIELD MORE QUICKLY WHEN WE CITE, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE ARREST.

AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE NUMBERS AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE PROGRAM.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, A, A, UH, A SIDE EFFECT OF THIS IS A, IT REMOVES THE STIGMA OF CUSTODIAL ARREST FOR OFFENDERS.

NOW, THERE, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS OUT THERE WHO, WHO MAY GET ARRESTED ONE TIME IN THEIR LIFE FOR HAVING A JOINT OR SOMETHING.

AND, AND THIS PROGRAM KEEPS THEM FROM GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, AS, AND AS FAR AS THE COUNTY IS CONCERNED, IT, IT REDUCES THEIR, THEIR, UH, JAIL POPULATION AS WELL.

UM, WHEN AN OFFICER ENCOUNTERS SOMEONE WHO COMMITS A CERTAIN OFFENSE THAT IS LISTED, UH, IN THE C C P THAT IS, MAKES IT ELIGIBLE FOR A CITATION AS OPPOSED TO AN

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ARREST, UM, THE OFFICER WILL DO SEVERAL THINGS.

HE'LL CHECK THE, THE, UH, PERSON'S RECORD, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A SITE AND RELEASE OR A, UH, CITATION, UM, BASED ON THE OBSERVED OFFENSE.

IT, IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.

AND, UH, IF CITED, THE TICKET WILL INSTRUCT THAT PERSON TO, UH, WHAT TO DO IN THE WAKE OF THAT TICKET.

UH, AND THAT IS, THEY REPORT TO THE REENTRY, UH, CENTER WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.

AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS POST CITATION ON THE BACK END OF THE CITATION, FALLS ON THE DA'S END OF THE, OF THE PROCESS.

AND, UH, UH, CHRISTIAN WILL PICK UP NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR ON THIS SLIDE.

300 TOTAL OFFENSES WITH, UH, 48% CITATION RATE.

SO, UH, WHEN AFTER SOMEONE RECEIVES A CITATION, THEY HAVE A, THERE'S A 10 DAY WINDOW WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, WHERE THE POLICE HAVE GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY GET US AT THE DA'S OFFICE, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW THE CASE.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE CITATION, ANY POLICE REPORTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S A 10 DAY WINDOW, UH, THAT THEY HAVE BEFORE THEY CAN REPORT, UH, AFTER THAT 10 DAY WINDOW HITS.

THEY THEN HAVE 30 DAYS WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD TO REPORT.

UM, WE'RE OPEN AT THE REENTRY SEND OR, UH, THE REENTRY CENTER TWO DAYS A WEEK.

UM, WE HAVE HOURS THAT, THAT, UH, ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AFTER WORK ONE DAY.

AND, UM, ONCE WE RECEIVE AT THE DA'S OFFICE THE REPORTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CASE, WE HAVE, UH, WE DO OUR OWN REVIEW.

UM, SO SITE AND RELEASE ON THE FRONT END IS ABOUT THAT DECISION THAT THE OFFICER MAKES TO ISSUE A CITATION OR TO MAKE AN ARREST.

UH, WE DO THE SECONDARY REVIEW WHERE WE DECIDE WHAT PROGRAM THE, THE PARTICIPANT'S GONNA GO INTO.

ARE THEY GOING TO GO THROUGH A DIVERSION TRACK? WHICH IS, I THINK IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE, UH, THINK OF WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT SITE AND RELEASE.

THEY, UH, THROUGH THE DIVERSION TRACK, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS, UH, POTENTIALLY PAY A FINE, UM, DO, DO A CLASS, MAYBE SOME COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS.

UH, THEY'RE SUPERVISED FOR A 60 DAY PERIOD.

AS LONG AS ALL OF THAT GOES, WELL, THEN, THEN THE CASE NEVER GETS FILED.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ARREST RECORD.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD.

UM, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON OUR PROSECUTOR WHO'S REVIEWING THE CASE BELIEVES THAT THIS PERSON NEEDS MORE SUPERVISION, THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION OF FILING THAT CASE IN COURT.

THEY'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE ARRESTED.

WE'RE GONNA ISSUE A, A SUMMONS.

BUT IF, UH, IF OUR PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS, THERE'S A HIGHER LEVEL OF SUPERVISION NEEDED, THEN THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA FILE THE CASE IN COURT, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPORT TO COURT WHERE THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, THE, THE TRADITIONAL WAY.

UM, SO WE HAVE THAT TWO TRACK PROCESS THERE.

AND, UM, AND, UH, AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, HOW WE, HOW WE HANDLE IT.

SO, SO, UH, CHIEF PLANT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION AND TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS.

THANKS, CHIEF.

AND THIS, UH, THIS DATE IS A PRESENTATION.

PUT US A LITTLE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL THERE AS FAR AS GETTING ALL OUR DATA THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.

SO, UH, IT WILL BE UPDATED IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT I, I, I'M CONFIDENT IN THE NUMBERS AND THE TRENDS SHOULD STAY AS THEY ARE FOR THE MOST PART.

LOOKING AT, UH, OVERALL ENFORCEMENT, UH, DURING THE QUARTER, WE HAD, UH, 1,509 OFFENSES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, UH, CHART, 975 OR 65% WERE, UH, CUSTODIAL ARRESTS.

AND 516 OR 34% WERE ISSUED CITATIONS.

AND THEN, THEN A SMALL 1% NUMBER WERE DISPOSED OF THROUGH, THROUGH SOME OTHER FORM OF RELEASE.

THAT COULD BE AN EMERGENCY DETENTION DUE TO A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

COULD BE, UM, INEBRIATE TYPE SERVICES AT, AT THE, UH, SOBERING CENTER.

SOMETHING OTHER THAN, UH, THE ARREST OR THE CITATION.

THIS TABLE IS THE ELIGIBLE OFFENSES THAT ARE CODIFIED WITHIN THE C C P MINUS GRAFFITI THAT THE CHIEF AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY BOTH, UH, AGREED WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE IN THIS PROGRAM, IN THIS ENHANCED SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CITATION PERCENTAGES ASSOCIATED WITH, WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL ARREST, THE ARREST, AND THE CITATION, BUT THE, THE LAST COLUMN THERE IS THE CITATION PERCENTAGE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE CHARGES.

SO OBVIOUSLY, POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA, ZERO TO TWO OUNCES IS THE MOST, UH, FREQUENT OFFENSE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUT THERE.

AND THAT HAS A, ABOUT A 34% CITATION RATE.

UM, CLASS B THEFT IS SECOND AT AROUND

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UM, ONE THING I'LL CUT THE LOWEST ONE IS 12.2%, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, AND THAT'S CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.

UM, I THINK THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED GIVEN THAT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THAT, UH, WHEN WE DEAL WITH THAT OFFENSE, THERE'S AN AGGRIEVED PARTY WHO'S HAD SOME SORT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE.

AND SO THEY'RE LIKELY, UH, PRETTY UPSET AT WHAT'S OCCURRED.

AND, AND ARREST IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A MORE APPROPRIATE CHOICE IN THAT, IN THAT INSTANCE.

SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT OUR TOTAL OFFENSES AND CITATIONS WITH RESPECT TO AREA OF THE CITY.

WE BROKE THIS DOWN BY OUR SERVICE AREAS, WHICH EACH ONE IS SERVICED BY A SUBSTATION.

SO WE HAVE SIX, UM, AND FIVE OUT OF THE SIX HAD OVER A 30% CITATION RATE FOR THE ELIGIBLE OFFENSES, UH, WITH CENTRAL BEING THE HIGHEST AT CLOSE TO 40%, 39.8%.

AND, UH, PRU WAS THE LOWEST AT 25.1%.

UM, SO NEXT WE LOOKED AT AGE RANGE.

THIS IS, UH, ARREST AND CITATION BY, BY AGE RANGE.

AND THEN WE DID A PERCENTAGE OF THE OFFENSE BY, BY TOTAL OFFENSE.

AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS CHART IS THAT OUR TABLE IS THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH A, A YOUNGER PERSON, UH, OFFENSE CATEGORY, WHERE ABOUT 82% OF THE PEOPLE WE ENCOUNTER WERE 40 YEARS OLD OR, OR YOUNGER, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE ARREST OR THE, OR THE CITATION.

SO THERE'S, AS YOU MOVE UP IN AGE, IT GETS LESS FREQUENT FOR US TO CONTACT YOU AND DEAL WITH YOU ON THESE CHARGES.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT GENDER FOR THE SAME QUARTER.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY MALE AS WELL.

OUT OF THE 1500 TOTAL OFFENSES, A LITTLE OVER 1100 WERE MALE.

AND RIGHT AT 400 WERE FEMALE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT A 73%, UH, MALE, UH, INVOLVEMENT RATE THERE.

WE ALSO CALCULATED THE RELEASE RATE BY, UH, GENDER.

SO FEMALES ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

THAT'S TAKEN THE, UH, 149 CITATIONS AND DIVIDING IT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FEMALES ENCOUNTERED THE OFFENSE AT RIGHT THERE AROUND 400, AND YOU GET 37.2%.

AND THE MALES WERE ISSUED A CITATION AT A SLIGHTLY LOWER RATE AT 34.7%.

SO, ARREST BY RACE, RACE AND ETHNICITY.

WE LOOKED AT THIS OVERALL FOR ALL ENFORCEMENT CATEGORIES GOING BACK TO 2018.

SO IN 2018, WE WEREN'T DOING THIS ENHANCED SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM.

SO ALL THE, THE CASES IN 2018 WERE CUSTODIAL ARREST.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN YOU COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS, UH, THEY'RE FAIRLY CONSISTENT.

BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN INDIVIDUALS, 18.6% IN 2018, AND SLIGHTLY DOWN TO JUST UNDER 16% THIS YEAR IN 2019.

THAT'S COMBINED ARREST AND CITATION.

UM, WITH RESPECT TO HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS, PRETTY MUCH FLAT FOR THE, THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST.

AND WITH RESPECT TO WHITES, IT'S SLIGHTLY UP THIS YEAR ON ARREST AND CITATION AS COMPARED TO LAST AT 17% AS COMPARED TO 15.7 LAST YEAR.

SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT RACE AND ETHNICITY WITH RESPECT TO THE RELEASE RATE ON CITATION.

'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANY LARGE DISPARITY THERE, UH, AND THAT WE WERE TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CITATION.

AND FOR THE QUARTER, IT'S PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL FOR ALL THREE OF YOUR MAJOR RACE CATEGORY ETH ETHNICITY CATEGORIES, UH, AT AROUND 35% FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN, HISPANICS AND WHITES.

THE REASON FOR ARREST.

SO, UH, WHEN WE'RE ARRESTING, INSTEAD OF CITING AND THE OFFICERS MAKING THAT DECISION OR, OR FOLLOWING POLICY GUIDELINES, THE FIRST TWO CYLINDERS THERE REPRESENT WHERE AN ARREST IS MANDATED BY POLICY.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE CHARGES OR ADDITIONAL CHARGES, UH, ON TOP OF THE OFFENSE THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE CITATION.

AND THAT'S AT 42%.

OR IF THEY HAVE AN OUTSTANDING ARREST WARRANT, THAT'S GONNA MANDATE THEIR ARREST, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE ELIGIBLE SITE AND RELEASE OFFENSE AT, UH, 36%.

SO ALMOST 80% THERE ARE, ARE MANDATED BY POLICY, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE ARREST.

I'LL SKIP OVER UNSPECIFIED FOR A SECOND AND MOVE FURTHER TO RIGHT THERE.

WHERE, UH, INTOXICATED INDIVIDUALS

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ACCOUNTED FOR 4% OF THE DECISION TO ARREST PRIOR CONVICTIONS, UM, DANGER TO YOURSELF OR OTHERS.

UNCOOPERATIVE ALL CAME IN AND JUST UNDER 1% ALSO, UH, INSUFFICIENT ID, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

UH, SO WE, THE CHIEF MADE THE POLICY VERY BROAD WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IDENTIFICATION, UH, THE OFFICERS COULD ACCEPT.

AND IT'S BASICALLY, THEY JUST NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE SAYING WHO THEY ARE, IS WHO THEY ARE.

AND, UH, THIS SHOWS THAT JUST UNDER 1% WERE, UH, ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT DEMONSTRATE TO THE OFFICER'S SATISFACTION AS TO THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY WHO THEY WERE.

SO IT'S VERY LOW.

SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF A ANOTHER COUNTY AND YOU'RE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND YOU'RE ENCOUNTERED FOR ONE, UH, ONE OF THOSE ELIGIBLE OFFENSES, UH, THERE IS NO ELIGIBLE CITATION.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO GO TO JAIL AS PER, UH, STATE, STATE LAW.

AND I'LL MOVE BACK TO THE UNSPECIFIED.

UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE ARREST OCCURRED IN LEWIS CITATION.

EVERY OFFENSE REPORT IS, HAS PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE ARREST.

THE OFFICERS ESTABLISHED THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO DO.

UM, THIS IS A CHANGE IN POLICY WHERE WE ASKED THEM TO SPECIFY WHY THEY WERE TAKING THE OFFENDER TO JAIL AS OPPOSED TO, UM, ISSUING A CITATION.

AND IN 12% OF THOSE CASES, IT WAS UNSPECIFIED.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHY THE OFFICER, UM, MADE THAT DECISION.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH TRAINING AND, AND JUST REINFORCE, UH, STATING THE REASON FOR ARREST.

AND AS CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, THE REAL GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM FOR THE SS A P D IS TO INCREASE OFFICER AVAILABILITY AND, AND, AND KEEP OUR OFFICERS, UH, AVAILABLE FOR CALLS AND HAND AND, UH, DEALING WITH ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS TABLE HERE, UM, SHOWS THE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCY FOR THE TIME SAVINGS.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE AVERAGE TIME ON CALL FOR A CI CITATION IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, AND THE AVERAGE TIME ON CALL FOR A, UH, ARREST, CUSTODIAL ARREST DURING THOSE LAST THREE MONTHS.

AND THEN THE SAVINGS BETWEEN THOSE AVERAGES, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA, UH, AND CLASS B THEFT, WHICH ARE THE TWO, TWO MOST NUMEROUS.

IT'S RIGHT AT JUST UNDER TWO HOURS SAVINGS ON AVERAGE.

AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS TO GIVE YOU THE TOTAL HOURS AND ADD 'EM UP, UH, FOR THE TOTAL HOURS SAVED.

AND WE TAKE THE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCY OF AN OFFICER FOR THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD AND DIVIDE THAT INTO THAT.

AND WE GET OUR 2.3, UH, F T E SAVINGS.

SO THAT'S HOW WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT.

CHIEF, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, SIR.

THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.

UH, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

UH, THANK YOU TO THE DA AND HIS STAFF FOR, UH, FOR THEIR SUPPORT ON THE OTHER END OF THIS PROGRAM.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S, UH, NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO ALONE.

I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UM, GO TO THE PODIUM THAT WAY OUR VIEWERS ONLINE AND ON, UM, S A T V CAN HEAR YOU.

UH, WE'LL HAVE FIRST MR. ALEX BURNELL, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS HARRIS AND CAROLINA LES.

NO PROBLEM.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL GO INTO COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENT.

ABOUT, UH, HOW WE CAN REDUCE ARRESTS FURTHER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT.

UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE SITE RELEASE POLICY.

WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NEW DATA THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PREVIOUSLY, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH, THE UPDATE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ALSO HOPE TO HEAR FROM THE DA ABOUT THE DIVERSIONARY SIDE.

UH, BUT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL FOR THE POLICY, UH, AS A MEMBER OF SA STANDS IN A MOVE, TEXAS, UH, THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL.

AND SO WE'RE THANKFUL TO SEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN REDUCTIONS.

UH, YOU KNOW, 34 REDUCTIONS IS SIGNIFICANT.

BUT WE DO THINK THAT THERE CAN BE MORE PROGRESS MADE ON THIS FRONT.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS

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UH, THOSE INSTANCES WHERE DISCRETION IS STILL BEING APPLIED, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY IS, UH, TAKEN INTO CUSTODY RATHER THAN, UH, GIVEN THE CITATION, GIVEN A CUSTODIAL ARREST RATHER THAN A CITATION.

AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT TOPIC, LOOK AT IT FURTHER.

UH, LOOK FOR DISPARITIES, GENDER, RACE, IF THERE ARE ANY.

GET RID OF CATEGORIES THAT MUDDY THE WATER OF THAT DISCRETIONARY POPULATION IN OUR DATA.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE FOLKS THAT ARE ARRESTED FOR ANOTHER REASON, RIGHT? THEY HAVE, UH, EITHER A PRIOR, UH, ISSUE LIKE A D W I IN ACCOMPANIMENT WITH DECIDABLE OFFENSE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE INSTANCES WHERE OFFICERS DO HAVE DISCRETION.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR DATA THAT REALLY, REALLY ISOLATES THAT POPULATION SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT DISCRETION IN AN ISOLATED CONTEXT.

THAT BEING SAID, WE THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD PROGRESS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

YOU KNOW, WE THANK THE CITY, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE THINK THE DA'S OFFICE.

WE THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL FOR BEING VIGILANT ON THIS ISSUE, FOR BEING DILIGENT, ENSURING THAT WE GET A GOOD QUARTERLY REPORT, THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THIS POLICY AS WE IMPROVE IT GOING FORWARD.

AND MOVE WILL CONTINUE ALONG WITH SA STANDS, 26 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS CONVERSATION AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF CUSTODY THAT DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.

UH, 'CAUSE IT SAVES OFFICERS OFFICER TIME AND ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMS LIVES, UH, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE INCARCERATED.

SO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. BURNELL.

MR. CHRIS HARRIS.

AYE, THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THE BODY TODAY.

MY NAME IS CHRIS HARRIS.

I'M WITH, UH, JUST LIBERTY, UH, STATEWIDE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ORGANIZATION.

UM, UH, AND SO I WANTED TO, UH, ECHO A LOT OF WHAT ALEX SAID.

FIRSTLY, IN THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INITIAL POSITIVES FROM THE REPORT, OBVIOUSLY.

UH, JUST THE, THE HAVING THE ABILITY NOW TO DO CITATIONS AND HAVE, UH, PEOPLE BE ABLE TO, OF, OF ARREST JAIL AND POTENTIAL DOWNSTREAM CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR THE IMMIGRANT POPULATION, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK WHAT THIS ALSO SHOWS, UH, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, REALLY, UH, POWERFUL IS THE OFFICER AVAILABILITY AND THE TIME SAVINGS THAT CAN, CAN COME FROM, UH, A CITATION POLICY.

AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF GOOD REASONS TO, TO, TO WANT TO CONTINUE TO, TO FURTHER THIS POLICY AND ENSURE THAT CITATIONS TO THE MAXIMUM STENT CAN BE INCREASED.

AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS IS, THERE'S, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN CRUX OF MY REMARKS, AND AGAIN, ECHOING OUT A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT WE DON'T QUITE KNOW ENOUGH YET BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE HERE TO HELP MEANINGFULLY INFORM POLICY CHANGES MOVING FORWARD.

UH, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, A LOT OF DATA RELATED TO INSTANCES WHERE THE OFFICER, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER.

UM, AND, AND THEN WHEN THEY DO HAVE A CHOICE, WE HAVE A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL OF CASES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A REASON FOR THE ARREST.

UH, NOTED IN THAT, THAT 12% UNSPECIFIED, WHICH I, I, I KNOW WAS, WAS, UM, ADDRESSED IN, IN THE COMMENTS.

UM, SO REALLY QUICKLY ON THE MULTIPLE CHARGES AND THE WARRANT COLUMNS IN PARTICULAR, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS INVOLVES ARRESTS WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE CHARGES, UH, ONE OF WHICH MAY BE CITATION ELIGIBLE ELIGIBLE, AND ONE OF WHICH MAY REQUIRE ARREST.

UM, AND I THINK ONE, UNDERSTANDING DEFINITIVELY THAT THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S NOT JUST ANY MULTIPLE CHARGES, RIGHT? IF IT, THERE'S TWO CHARGES AND THEY'RE BOTH CITATION ELIGIBLE, THEN THEY SHOULD BOTH RECEIVE A CITATION.

UM, IF THEY ARE BOTH, IF ONE OF THEM DOES REQUIRE ARREST, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS POTENTIALLY TO THAT COULD BE PURSUED.

AND SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN THE AUSTIN VERSION OF THIS POLICY IS THAT THEY ARE ARREST FOR THE ARRESTABLE, ATE FOR OFFENSE, AND THEY STILL ACTUALLY WILL ISSUE A CITATION FOR THIS, A CITATION FOR DECIDABLE OFFENSE BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL OH, DOWNSTREAM CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT.

AND SO, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES WHERE OFFICERS REALLY HAVE TO, UH, MAKE AN ARREST VERSUS THE ONES WHERE THEY HAVE A CHOICE, AND THEN WITHIN THOSE THAT AREA, UH, CRAFTING POLICIES TO, TO INCREASE CITATIONS WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT.

IS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WHO'S STILL FIGHTING A MARIJUANA POSSESSION, AND SHE STILL CAN'T GO BACK TO SCHOOL BECAUSE SHE CAN'T APPLY FOR STUDENT LOANS.

MR. HARRIS.

UHHUH, , UH, CAROLINA ZALES.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

AND ALEX.

THEY TOOK SOME OF MY TALKING POINTS, BUT MY NAME IS CAROLINA AND ZALES AND I REPRESENT SA STANDS, 26 ORGANIZATIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE US, WE'RE IN A BUTTON.

UH, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.

UH, WE ALSO WANNA ECHO AND THANK THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE DAS TO OP BEING OPEN TO STAY IN CONVERSATION WITH US THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE YEAR AND A HALF.

WE DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO INCREASING THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS.

RIGHT NOW WE SEE, YOU KNOW, 65% VERSUS 35% HOPEFULLY CAN GET A 50 50, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, I, I, I JUST WANNA ECHO THE, THERE'S BEEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF A CITATION, RIGHT? AND EVEN BEFORE THIS PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR, UH, AND I KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN LIFE CHANGING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A DIVERSION PROGRAM AND NOT HAVE THAT RECORD.

AND I JUST WANNA REMIND US OF IKA, WHICH

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SHE'S A U T S A STUDENT.

UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT LIFE CHANGING MOMENT, WE REALLY HOPE THAT OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT OF USING CITATIONS THAT CAN CONTINUE TO SEE A FUTURE IN THE PERSON THAT THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH, AND CONTINUE TO USE POSITIVE USE OF DISCRETION, WHICH RESULTS IN A CITATION.

UH, SO JUST VERY, JUST REMINDING PEOPLE OF LIKE WHAT THIS MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY AN ARREST AND WHY WE'RE SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT 35% UP, UH, AND THAT, UH, CULTURE SHIFT OF CITATION VERSUS ARREST USE WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR OFFICERS.

UH, SO AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU ECHOING WHAT EVERYBODY SAID ON THE DATA POINTS, BUT WHEN IT IS TO BRING BACK TO WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WHY WE'RE CONTINUE TO BE IN CONVERSATION AT THIS QUARTERLY REPORTS COME OUT EVERY THREE MONTHS, HOPEFULLY.

UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING SO OPEN TO DISCUSSING DATA POLICY AND IMPLEMENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL BEGIN, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS.

UH, COUNCILWOMAN CAVEDA.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, THE, UM, THE SLIDE SHOWING THE, UH, ETHNICITY, THE, THAT DATA I WOULD JUST WANNA ASK, ARE THE ARRESTS BY ETHNICITY RACE COMMENSURATE WITH SAN ANTONIO'S DEMOGRAPHICS? SORRY, EXCUSE ME.

I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THIS ONE COUNCILWOMAN AND, UH, YES, SIR.

NO, I WOULD SAY ON, I BELIEVE AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE MORE CLOSE TO ABOUT 8% OF THE CITY'S POPULATION, AND SO IT'S A LITTLE HIGH THERE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, I BELIEVE THE WHITE POPULATION IS IN THE LOW TWENTIES, SO I THINK IT'S DOWN A LITTLE BIT THERE.

AND HISPANIC IS SAME, OR I, I, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

UH, YES.

UH, COUNCIL ME HISPANICS IS, IS PRETTY CLOSE TO OUR POPULATION HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE SEQUENCE OF PROCEDURAL STEPS INVOLVED IN E IN BOTH A SCENARIO WHERE A SUSPECT IS CITED AND RELEASED OR ARRESTED, LIKE A SCENARIO? CAN YOU EXPLAIN A SCENARIO WHERE A PERSON WOULD BE CITED AND RELEASED, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WHERE MAYBE A PERSON WOULD BE ARRESTED FOR WHAT? SURE.

LET, YEAH, SURE.

LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TRY AND USE THE SAME EXAMPLE WITH A LITTLE TWIST TO IT.

SO, IF, UH, SOMEONE'S FOUND TO BE IN POSSESSION OF A SMALL AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA, THEN THAT PERSON WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR CITATION.

BUT IF THAT SAME PERSON HAD A WARRANT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD BE ARRESTED, THEY WOULD BE TAKEN IN, OR, UH, IF THAT PERSON, UH, HAD MULTIPLE REASONS FOR BEING ARRESTED, THEY WOULDN'T BE CITED AND RELEASED, THEY WOULD BE ARRESTED.

WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS WOULD THEY BE, UH, ENROLLED IN? OR MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE DIVERSION PROGRAMS TOO? WELL, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE DIVERSION PROGRAM.

THE LAST ONE IS MORE OF A, A COMMENT.

UM, MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON IT, BUT FOR SOME REASON MY MACHINE WON'T WORK.

LOOK AT THAT.

, I EASIER , CHECK YOUR, YOUR THINGS ON THERE.

OH, THAT'S FINE.

THERE WE GO.

TECHNICAL ISSUES.

I APOLOGIZE ON THE, UH, SLIDE 11 WHERE, UM, THE 12% THAT'S UNSPECIFIED.

I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADD, UM, UM, A CATEGORY WHERE IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU KIND OF HAVING TO ARREST BECAUSE OF THE, THE VICTIM BECAUSE THE CALLER, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE ALLEGED CRIME HAS AN INTEREST IN IT, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD MAKE ON THE VICTIM.

AND, AND, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE NUMBER THAT'S UNSPECIFIED, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO SOME OF THE PUSHBACK, I BELIEVE FROM, FROM RESIDENTS MIGHT BE, UH, WELL, I CALLED AND NOTHING'S HAPPENING.

RIGHT? AND SO TO AN EXTENT THAT I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT KNOW THE KIND OF THE GAUGE OF WHERE WE WOULD START THAT.

BUT I WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO, TO, AT LEAST FOR OUR DATA, WE, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS IN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS IN THIS REPORT TO TRY TO TWEAK THEM.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT, THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WILL ALSO BE, UM, UM, POSSIBLE IN A NEW R M S THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, BIDDING FOR RIGHT NOW.

SO I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION OVERALL, UH, COUNCILWOMAN IS YES.

UH, THANK YOU CHIEF AND EVERYONE, UH, HERE.

SO I GUESS, UH, UH, I THINK FOR YOU, SIR, I FORGOT YOUR NAME.

CHRISTIAN NELSON.

THANK YOU, UH, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UM, WHEN YOU WERE SHARING THE INFORMATION OF PERSON ROLES AND ASSIGNED PROGRAM, UH, SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM COMPLETION.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME

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SO, UM, IF, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TWO, TWO TRACK PROCESS MM-HMM.

, IF THEY GO THE DIVERSION ROUTE, THEN UH, THEY'LL GENERALLY HAVE A, SOME SORT OF A CLASS THAT THEY'LL DO.

AND IT'S GONNA BE OFFENSE SPECIFIC.

SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S A MARIJUANA ARREST, IT'S GONNA BE A MARIJUANA CLASS.

IF IT'S A THEFT ARREST, WHICH ARE THE TWO PRIMARY OFFENSES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THOSE ARE THE TWO OFFENSES THAT ARE THE MAKE UP, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITATIONS.

, UH, IT WOULD BE A THEFT CLASS.

UM, I THINK THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS WE CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD, UM, HERE IN THIS, IN THIS, UM, AREA.

I THINK, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS TOO, AND THERE'S STILL ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF OFFENSES IN TOTAL, BUT WE ARE A VERY LARGE CITY.

UM, TWO.

SO THE, UM, THE POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA FOR THE ARRESTS AND THE CITATIONS FOR THE, FROM ZERO TO TWO OUNCES ON THOSE ARRESTS.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WHY WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHY WOULD IT BE SO MANY ARRESTS FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ZERO TO TWO OUNCES? I'M NOT, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

OFFICERS COME ACROSS A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE CARRYING MARIJUANA MM-HMM.

, I MEAN, IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE SHEER NUMBERS OF IT ALL, REALLY.

THAT'S, THAT'S IT.

NO, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T SEE WHERE YOU ARE.

SHE DOESN'T SMOKE MARIJUANA.

I DON'T.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE, UH, TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW ALL OF THIS.

SO MY QUESTION TOO, IS ANY VIOLATION OF A PROTECTIVE ORDER OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR DISTURBANCE, IS THAT STILL, IS THAT ARREST, IS THAT A CITATION OR THAT'S ARREST? THAT'S AN ARREST THAT'S ARREST OUTRIGHT ALWAYS.

AND THEN ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, CHIEF, ABOUT THE DATA IS, UH, THE MULTIPLE CHARGES AND CITATIONS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR IF YOU DID FIND ANY DATA IN YOUR ARREST RIGHT NOW OF ANY PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WERE JUST CI THERE WERE CITATIONS, THERE WERE JUST CITATIONS IN THE PAST, BUT THEN IT WAS A, SOMETHING OF A LARGER, UM, UH, OFFENSE THAT HAPPENED AND IT WAS, IT WAS MENTIONED UP THERE, TWO CITATIONS, AND THEN IT WAS A LARGER, UM, ARREST LATER ON DOWN THE LINE.

HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET? IF YOU'RE TRYING NOT SURE.

I FILED HERE.

SO, UM, SOMEBODY, UH, UH, CITED FOR, UH, THEFT, UH, SOMEBODY CITED FOR CONTRABAND, BUT THEN THE THIRD TIME AROUND IT WAS, UH, A LARGER, LIKE A, SOMETHING VERY DANGEROUS.

A, A AGGRAVATED SOMETHING IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE CITED TWICE IN THE PAST FOR, UH, WHATEVER IT WAS THEY WERE CITED FOR MM-HMM.

, AND THE THIRD TIME THERE WAS A GREATER QUANTITY.

IF, IF IT WERE, IF IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CITATION BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE C C P, THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE MM-HMM.

, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE ANYWAY.

AND IF AN OFFICER CAME ACROSS SOMEONE WHO WAS CITED TWICE BEFORE, THEY WOULD, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD BE ARRESTED.

FOR THE THIRD TIME.

AND SO, UH, SO THE, I THINK, CAN WE SEE THAT DATA OR IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN FIND THAT DATA AS WELL? ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ARE OKAY IF IT'S MULTIPLE CHARGES OR HOW MANY DID WE ARREST OR JUST, UH, ARREST BECAUSE THEY HAD MULTIPLE, UM, CITATIONS IN THE PAST.

I THINK THAT INFORMATION IS ON HERE, ON THAT ONE.

IT, WHICH ONE? MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

WHAT SLIDE IS THAT ABOVE? UH, I THINK IT'S THIS ONE HERE.

14.

SO IT'S, WE DID IT BY PERCENTAGES COUNCILWOMAN.

SO IF I TOOK 42% OF THE 1509, THAT SHOULD BE THE, THE NUMBER OF INSTANCES WHERE WE ENCOUNTERED.

SO IT'S 1,509 ARRESTS TOTAL, UH, OFFENSES.

EXCUSE ME.

AND, UH, NO, I'M SORRY, I'M SAYING THAT WRONG.

IT'S, UH, HELP ME MARIA, PLEASE.

IT'S 9 75, I THINK.

SO I GUESS COUNCILMAN TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, .

SO TO HELP, UH, BOBBY, FIRST, UM, THE, THE, UH, 42% THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CHARGES AS BEING THE REASON WHY THEY WERE ARRESTED IS 42% OF THE 975 TOTAL ARRESTS DURING THAT

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PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UH, MULTIPLE CITATIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING GOING FORWARD AS WE PROGRESS IN THIS PROGRAM IS TO TRACK THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CITATIONS.

I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION FROM THE COMMITTEE FROM THE LAST TIME.

SO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE WAS, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS GIVEN A CITATION DURING THIS QUARTER, AND THE NEXT QUARTER IT'S ANOTHER CITATION, THEN WE'LL BE TRACKING THE REPEAT OFFENDERS, IF YOU WILL.

SO SINCE THIS IS ON, ON THIS EXPANSION OF THIS, THIS PROGRAM, I THINK BOBBY TOLD ME DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME WE HAD 1, 2, 2, WE HAD TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE CITED TWICE DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT ANALYSIS AS WE GATHER MORE DATA.

THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN.

ANDREW SULLIVAN.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A BRIEFING.

UM, PRIOR TO THIS, I KNOW I HAD A FEW, UM, QUESTIONS WHEN IT CAME TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AGE AND ETHNICITY AND HOW WE CAN GET A FULL BREAKDOWN OF HOW THAT LOOKS.

UM, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO RECEIVING THAT REPORT.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO A PERSON THAT MISSES THE ACTUAL COURT DATE, UM, FOR A SITE AND RELEASE OFFENSE, IS IT AN AUTOMATIC ARREST AFTER THAT? OR ARE THERE FINES? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP ONCE THEY MISS THAT COURT DATE? SO, UM, THERE, IT'S NOT A COURT DATE FOR, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S TWO, TWO TRACKS.

BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE DIVERSION TRACK, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A COURT DATE.

THEY HAVE THAT 30 DAY WINDOW TO REPORT TO THE RE-ENTRY CENTER.

WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS, AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO FROM THE BEGINNING, WE WANT TO HAVE THE HIGHEST SUCCESS RATE THAT WE CAN.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY DOING ANYTHING, UM, IN TERMS OF AN ARREST WARRANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, WE'VE GOT PRETRIAL SERVICES HELPING US OUT, TRYING TO GO AND CONTACT THESE PEOPLE THROUGH, WE'VE, THERE'S DATA THAT, THAT SAY WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GIVE SOMEONE A PHONE CALL, WHICH IS A LOT CHEAPER THAN EXECUTING AN ARREST WARRANT, UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR COMPLIANCE RATES PRETTY CONSIDERABLY.

SO WE'RE DOING THAT.

WE'RE GIVING THEM A WINDOW OF TIME, UH, TO, TO REACH OUT AND TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER AND KNOW THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REPORTING.

AND, UM, AND THEN WAITING TO SEE, WAS THIS AN ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD WORK OR THERE WERE CHILDCARE ISSUES, OR ARE YOU JUST CHOOSING NOT TO COME IN? UM, SO FAR WE'VE ONLY HAD 16 PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WHERE THEY JUST HAVE REFUSED TO COME IN.

OUT OF THE 500 AND SOME ODD TOTAL NUMBER, THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER AN ARREST WARRANT.

WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TRIGGERS A SUMMONS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COURT.

IF THEY THEN DON'T SHOW UP IN COURT, THEN ULTIMATELY A WARRANT MAY BE ISSUED.

UM, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, GANG AFFILIATION AS AS KNOWN ON THE STREET, UM, AND THEN IT COMES TO THE SITE AND RELEASE IF THEY'RE A KNOWN AFFILIATION, BUT THEN THEY HAVE THE OFFENSE THAT FALLS UNDER SITE AND RELEASE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT METHOD USED BECAUSE OF THEIR AFFILIATION, OR ARE THEY JUST CITED AND RELEASED AS WELL? I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER CHANCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ARRESTED THAN RELEASED.

AWESOME.

AND THEN THE, THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UM, I KNOW THAT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT TRACKING THE MULTIPLE.

SO HOW MANY TIMES CAN ONE BE CITED FOR THE SAME OFFENSE? AND THEN DO THEY CONTINUE OR WHAT IS OUR TRACK THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO STAY ON WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TRACK COUNCILWOMAN, BUT I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, THAT IF YOU'RE CITED ONCE, CHANCES ARE THE SECOND TIME YOU'RE STOPPED OR BETTER THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ARRESTED, THIRD TIME PROBABLY IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, YOU'RE GONNA BE ARRESTED.

PLACED? I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

SO THAT, IS THAT STILL DURING THE QUARTER OR IS THAT JUST ACROSS THE BOARD? THAT'S WELL ACROSS THE BOARD, I WOULD SAY.

BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

COUNCILMAN PERRY.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN TODAY AND GOING OVER THIS INFORMATION.

I, I DO HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS HERE AND IT KIND OF GOES IN LINE WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN GROS AND COUNCILWOMAN, UH, SULLIVAN'S QUESTIONS.

BUT I, I WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.

SO LET'S SAY THEY'RE CITED AND THEY'RE CITED TO COME DOWNTOWN.

UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE FOLKS THAT WERE CITED GOT PLACED IN A PROGRAM VERSUS RELEASED,

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN PLACED IN A PROGRAM? YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THIS, THEY, THEY GET INTO A DIVERSION PROGRAM, RIGHT? OR WHATEVER? OR IS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT ARE CITED GO INTO A DIVERSION PROGRAM? NO, UH, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A TWO TRACK THING.

THERE'S, UH, ONE TRACK, WHICH IS THE DIVERSION PROGRAM.

THE OTHER TRACK WOULD BE A CASE ACTUALLY BEING FILED IN COURT.

WHICH WOULD BE YOUR TRADITIONAL, SO IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT THOSE TWO TRACKS? I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN, IS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT OKAY.

GOING ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE TRACKS? NO.

UM, NO.

SO, UH, THERE, WE, WE HAVE A MARIJUANA DECLINATION POLICY WHERE WE'RE NOT PROSECUTING MARIJUANA CASES UNDER AN OUNCE.

SO IF IT COMES IN UNDER, IF A CASE COMES IN MARIJUANA UNDER AN OUNCE, THAT'S NOT, NOTHING'S HAPPENING WITH THAT NOTHING'S BEING FILED.

UM, IF THEY'RE, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE EITHER GONNA GO THROUGH THE DIVERSION TRACK OR A CASE IS GONNA BE FILED IN COURT.

BUT WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS WE HAD 975 OR WE HAD 516 CITATIONS OUTTA THAT 516.

HOW MANY WENT INTO THOSE PROGRAMS? YOU GOT TWO PROGRAMS, SO, RIGHT.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS THAT PD HAS BECAUSE THEY'RE, WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE AGENCY WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL.

SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF 639 CASES IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME.

UM, MORE THAN, UH, MORE THAN HALF OF THEM WERE, WERE MARIJUANA CASES UNDER ANNOUNCED, I THINK 363, BUT OKAY.

I, I'M TRYING TO GET THE NUMBERS OUT OF 516 OR THE 600, RIGHT.

WAS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT 600, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS GONE INTO EITHER TRACK? IN OTHER WORDS, DID THEY ALL GO INTO A DIVERSION PROGRAM OR THE OTHER PROGRAM? 363 WHERE MARIJUANA UNDER ANNOUNCED? SO THEY DID NOT.

SO, SO THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE DECLINED.

THOSE CASES WERE DECLINED.

THE, THE REMAINDER EITHER WENT INTO A DIVERSION TRACK OR WERE FILED IN COURT.

SO OVER HALF, CORRECT.

WERE WERE LET GO.

UM, CHIEF, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, REPEAT OFFENDERS AND, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THE REPEAT OFFENDERS ON BEING ISSUED CITATIONS AND HOW, HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN ISSUED A CITATION BEFORE, IF THERE'S NO RECORD AT THE COUNTY AS TO WHO'S BEEN, WHO'S BEEN RELEASED OR WHO GOES THROUGH THIS CITATION PROCESS? YEAH, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING THAT, THAT TECHNOLOGY, UH, CHANGE OR, OR, OR ADDITION SO THAT OFFICERS CAN READILY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, PULL THAT INFORMATION UP.

WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.

UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF, UH, IDEAS THROWN AROUND AS TO HOW WE MAKE THAT WORK, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

SO, THEORETICALLY YOU WILL HAVE, UH, UH, UM, A RECORD OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN CITED AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHO HAS MULTIPLE CITATIONS AT SOME POINT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD.

AND THEN, AND THEN AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER, I MEAN, THERE ARE OFFICERS WHO WILL RECOGNIZE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE CITED BEFORE.

SO JUST THROUGH, YOU KNOW, RECALL, OFFICERS WILL KNOW THAT THEY'VE CITED SOMEONE AND THEN IT'S UP TO THEM WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA ARREST THEM OR CITE THEM AGAIN.

AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, COUNCILMAN, UM, WHEN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE OFFICER ARRESTS OR CITES, THEY'RE STILL GONNA COMPLETE AN OFFENSE REPORT LISTING THAT PERSON AS, AS AN ARRESTEE.

'CAUSE THE CITATION IS TECHNICALLY ARREST.

SO THERE IS THAT RECORD ALWAYS THERE THAT THEY WERE ARRESTED.

IT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE THE OFFICER TAKES HIM TO JAIL OR ISSUES THEM A CITATION.

WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S A METRIC THAT WE NEED TO CERTAINLY FOLLOW HERE.

ALSO, UH, ON HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, REPEAT OFFENDERS WE HAVE AND, AND THAT'LL BE COVERED UNDER THIS NEW SNIPERS, UH, PROGRAM.

UH, I, I CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT IT WILL BE, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT IT DOES.

AND, AND, AND THAT, THAT ISSUE THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION SINCE WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT SITE AND RELEASE, BECAUSE WE WANT THE OFFICERS TO KNOW WHETHER SOMEONE WAS CITED IN THE PAST OR NOT.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE, THERE WILL BE A RECORD OF CITATIONS OUT THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL FOR INDIVIDUALS.

FAR THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CITATIONS? I'M, I'M THE ONLY NUMBER THAT I'VE HEARD IS THE ONE THAT THEY JUST, UH, REFERENCED, WHICH WAS TWO NO, ON, ON YOUR RECORDS.

AND THEN TO THE DA'S OFFICE, HOW DO Y'ALL KNOW WHO'S BEEN CITED MULTIPLE TIMES? YEAH, WE, WE TRACK IT.

WE KEEP A RECORD.

HOW DO YOU TRACK THAT? WELL, EVERY CITATION THAT, THAT WE GET GETS THAT WE, THAT COMES IN THROUGH OUR SYSTEM, GETS LOGGED INTO OUR SYSTEM.

SO WE CAN, WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

AND Y'ALL TRACK THAT, WHO'S BEEN CITED BEFORE? CORRECT.

AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INSTANCES SO

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I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE DA'S OFFICE AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO, UH, COORDINATE THAT AND SURE.

YOU HAVE METRICS AND WE HAVE METRICS TO SHOW, UM, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE BECAUSE RIGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S INCONSISTENCY INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A, UM, A REPORT THAT'S PRODUCED AUTOMATICALLY.

THAT'S GONNA GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY, GREAT.

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THAT PUT TOGETHER? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, BUT HOPEFULLY RELATIVELY SOON.

A MONTH, A YEAR? YEAH.

NO, I THINK IT'LL BE LESS THAN A MONTH.

GREAT.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SORT OF RECORD IN THE SYSTEM ON WHO HAS MULTIPLE CITATIONS? WELL, SO WE HAVE A RECORD, IT'S SEALED.

SO THAT, I MEAN, PART OF THE, PART OF THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED SO THAT TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING A CRIMINAL RECORD IF WE CAN, BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACK IT.

SO, UM, SO THAT WE KNOW THAT SORT OF INFORMATION SO THAT WE KNOW IF SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A RECIDIVISM ISSUE OR A MULTIPLE OFFENDER OR, UH, WE, WE NEED TO, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACK OUR DATA GENERALLY.

SO, UM, WE DO HAVE A RECORD.

IT'S SEALED, BUT WE HAVE IT, BUT OUR RECORD ISN'T SEALED.

IS IT CHIEF? NO, SIR.

SO HOPEFULLY THOSE TWO RECORDS WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME FIRST CITY OFFENSES.

UM, SO THE PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS BEING ISSUED 516 OUT OF THAT, HOW MANY WERE NO SHOWS? WE'VE ONLY HAD, AGAIN, LIKE IT'S REALLY EARLY, UH, IN THE PROCESS TO, TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT THAT ANSWER IS BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE ONLY BEEN DOING IT ABOUT 90 DAYS AND THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT STARTED IT AT THE VERY WELL, THEY HAVE A 40 DAY WINDOW TO REPORT.

AND EVEN THEN, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY KICKING PEOPLE OUT.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA STILL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM.

UH, TO DATE.

WE'VE ONLY HAD 16 PEOPLE WHERE WE HAVE, WE'VE COME TO THE DETERMINATION THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AND, UH, OF THEIR OWN, OF THEIR OWN CHOICE AND, AND THEY'RE BEING, UH, SENT TO COURT FROM THE DIVERSION TRACK.

WELL, I I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT DATA POINT.

OF COURSE.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY SHOWING UP WITH THIS? YEAH, THAT'S, FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S WORKING AND, AND THE ONLY WAY IT'S GONNA WORK IS IF PEOPLE SHOW UP.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY TRACKING THAT.

OFFICERS AND THIS PROGRAM THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ME IS FOR THIS QUARTER, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 2.3 OFFICERS OUT OF 2,400.

UM, AND I'VE CHIEF, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, ABOUT DOING THE METRICS.

I THINK WHAT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE NOW ARE REALLY, REALLY GREAT NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THOSE PUT INTO METRICS CHARTS, SHOWING TREND LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IF THEY'RE GOING UP, LEVELING OFF, GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT, ALL IMPORTANT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE PROGRAM AND, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR, UH, CHARTS HERE IS ON THE THEFT.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE THE BIG PROBLEM HERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING UP TO $750 FOR A THEFT, AND THAT'S THE THIRD MOST, UH, CRIMES BEING, BEING DONE HERE IN THE CITY.

AND YET IT'S A SITE AND RELEASE.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH.

I ALWAYS HAVE.

AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE YOU GOT A LOT OF TAXPAYERS HERE IN THE CITY THAT EXPECT TO BE PROTECTED AND CRIMINALS STEALING, UH, FROM THEIR RESIDENCE OR PLACE OF BUSINESS OR WHATEVER.

UM, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY'D BE PROSECUTED.

AND FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT AS THE THIRD MOST, UM, CITATIONS THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

THAT CONCERNS ME A LOT.

AND YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW I HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK UP IN MY DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE STOLEN FROM, AND NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED AFTER THAT, OTHER THAN A TICKET AND GO DOWNTOWN GOING THROUGH A DIVERSION OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER PROCESS.

SO THAT'S ONE OF 'EM THAT I STILL HAVE A BIG, BIG ISSUE WITH.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, UM, BIG THINGS WAS ON SAVING ON MANPOWER CHIEF, HOW MANY, HOW MANY POLICEMEN DO WE HAVE? UH, 24 67, I BELIEVE IT IS.

ARE WE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER? AH, ALRIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

BUT, OKAY, SO OVER 2,400

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AND YET WE HAVE THAT, THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM WITH THEFT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THE OTHER ONES AREN'T PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT, UM, AND I THINK THE RECORDS SHOW THAT MINOR POSSESSION LEADS INTO BIGGER POSSESSIONS, WHICH LEADS INTO BIGGER, UM, PROBLEMS WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE ONLY SAVING 2.3 OFFICERS OUTTA 2,400 AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITATIONS ARE, UM, 534 AND 975 ARRESTS.

SO I STILL HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.

AND, UM, I, I DON'T SEE IN MY EYES RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT, TWO OFFICERS, 2.3 OFFICERS OUT OF 2,400 TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM.

SO I'M STILL LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS FOR THIS.

AND, UM, UM, I I, I THINK THIS PROGRAM NEEDS MORE WORK IN THOSE, IN THAT REGARD.

UM, CHIEF, TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DISCRETION.

DO YOU SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM WITHOUT DISCRETION? NO.

I DO NOT.

AND WHY? OFFICERS NEED FULL DISCRETION.

THEY KNOW BETTER ON THE STREET WHAT'S GOING ON THAN, THAN, UH, UH, A BLANKET POLICY THAT WOULD FORCE THEM INTO MAKING A, UH, UH, WRITING CITATION AS OPPOSED TO MAKING AN ARREST.

THERE ARE SITUATIONS ON THE STREET WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT, UH, FOR, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

UM, AND AGAIN, IT, IT, THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A GOVERNOR ON OFFICER'S DISCRETION WHETHER TO MAKE AN ARREST OR NOT.

THE, THEIR, THEIR AUTHORITY IS SET BY LAW.

UH, AS LONG AS THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO MAKE THAT ARREST, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

FULL AUTHORITY.

WELL, I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT CHIEF AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, I STILL HAVE ISSUES WITH IT.

UH, I HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW WE'RE TRACKING REPEAT OFFENDERS.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

UM, BOTH ON THE DA AND, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, 2.3 OFFICERS OUT OF 2,400 IN A QUARTER.

I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING FOR THE TAXPAYER, A GOOD EXPECTATION FROM THEM ON WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.

IF I COULD ADD, IF YOU WERE SURE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER'S PERSPECTIVE, EVERY SINGLE OFFICER ACROSS THIS, THIS DEPARTMENT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THAT WHEN THEY MAKE AN ARREST, THEY'RE OUT OF THERE IN LESS THAN HALF THE TIME, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THE AGGREGATE LEADING UP TO TWO POINT, WHATEVER IT IS.

OFFICERS, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR ME.

IF I'M AN OFFICER AND I MAKE THE ARREST AND I KNOW I'M GONNA BE BACK OUT IN THE STREET WITHIN A, A MUCH SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME.

NOT NECESSARILY THE FTES THAT YOU, THAT IT WOULD TAKE OR THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES TO, UH, UH, PROCESS THOSE, THOSE ARRESTS VERSUS CITATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT AGAIN, THE MATH SHOWS THAT IT'S ONLY 2.3 FTES.

WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO OFFICERS OR TWO OFFICERS AND A PART OF ANOTHER ONE RIGHT.

OUTTA 2,400.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE PROGRAM.

SO ANYWAY, UH, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

UH, WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP BY COUNCILWOMAN VRAN.

SO CHIEF, UM, QUICKLY TALKING ABOUT THE THEFT.

UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING, A LOT OF PORCH PIRATES, PEOPLE STEALING PACKAGES FROM PORCHES.

SO THAT IS, IF THEY ARE FOUND, THE PEOPLE ARE FOUND THAT IS CITED.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IF NO, THE, THE CITATION ONLY APPLIES TO THEFTS FROM BUSINESSES.

FROM BUSINESSES.

SO, AND, AND MOST OF THOSE OH, GOT IT.

CITATIONS ARE, ARE PROBABLY, UH, UH, SHOPLIFTING TYPE.

CITATIONS.

IT, AND THEN, UM, WITH, IF SOMEBODY IS, UH, CITED ON POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA WILL, AND THEY GO THROUGH, UH, THEY JUST GET CITED, IS DOES THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY HERE CAN ANSWER THIS, DOES THAT SHOW UP ON POTENTIAL, UH, JOBS? WHEN THEY DO BACKGROUND CHECKS? IT WOULDN'T.

PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST CITED AND THEY GO THROUGH, UM, WHATEVER, UH, DIVERSION PROGRAMS WOULD IT ADDRESS IF THERE ARE MENTAL HEALTH, UM, ISSUES OR FOR HOMELESS POPULATIONS? DO YOU KNOW, DOES THAT, DO YOU ALL WORK ON THAT AT THE COUNTY? UM, WELL, THEY'RE AT THE REENTRY CENTER, WHICH HAS, UH, A, A NUMBER OF RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE DIVERSION

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THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE DID IT THERE.

BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF A ONE-STOP SHOP WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES AVAILABLE, BUT, UM, THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS PART OF THE DIVERSIONARY PROGRAM IS LIMITED TO THE OFFENSE SPECIFIC.

PROGRAMS. OKAY.

SO IT'S OFFENSE SPECIFIC.

SO IF IT'S HAS, SO IF THEY ARE PICKED UP, UM, TAKEN IN OR JUST SO HOMELESS WHO ARE LOITERING ON BUSINESSES WHO HAVE THE, UH, CRIMINAL TRESPASSING OUT THERE, AND THEY'RE JUST CITED THEN, OR THEY ARE PICKED UP THERE, THERE'S NO SIGHTING FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS.

SO IT IS, THEY ARE ARRESTED.

AND THEN THEY GO TO, UH, AND THEY GET, AND WHAT HAPPENS THEN AFTER THAT? SO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT CRIMINAL TRESPASS IN OUR POLICY AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

UH, THE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, ON OUR POLICY THAT PREVENTS ARREST.

AND I GUESS JUST TO, LET ME CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT THE POLICY IS.

IF THEY'RE HOMELESS AND THEY'RE BEING ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS, UM, WE'RE, AND THERE'S, THERE'S EXCEPTIONS.

IT CAN'T BE A RESIDENCE.

IF IT'S A RESIDENCE, WE'RE GONNA PROSECUTE THE CASE.

IF THEY'VE GOT A DANGEROUS CRIMINAL HISTORY, WE'RE GONNA PROSECUTE THE CASE.

UM, IF, UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON PROBATION, WE'RE GONNA PROSECUTE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, WE'RE GONNA PROSECUTE THE CASE.

BUT IF IT'S A PERSON THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE CASES THAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SITTING ON A, ON A BUS BENCH THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AT, OR THEY'RE SLEEPING BEHIND A BUILDING THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SLEEPING BEHIND.

UM, WE'RE, WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE IS THAT A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR JAIL POPULATION THAT ARE THERE ON LOW BONDS WAS THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE ON CRIMINAL TRESPASS CASES.

SOME OF THEM WERE DYING IN THE JAIL ON VERY LOW BONDS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT COULD BOND OUT IF THEY HAD $30 IN THEIR POCKET.

I MEAN, THAT'S MOST OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

$200 BONDS, $300 BONDS COST 220, $30 TO BAIL OUT.

SO THE JUDGES THAT ARE SETTING THE BONDS AREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THEM BEING A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT YET THEY'RE SIT, THEY'RE SITTING IN JAIL FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE THEY WERE SITTING ON A BENCH.

UM, SO WE CAME OUT WITH THAT POLICY THAT WE'RE ON THE BACKEND.

UH, THE POLICE ARE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ARRESTS.

THEY, THEY ARE MAKING THE ARRESTS.

THE, WE'VE PULLED THE NUMBERS ON BOOKINGS FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS CASES.

THE BOOKINGS ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS THAN THEY WERE WHEN WE INSTITUTED THE, THE POLICY.

SO THE POLICE ARE MAKING THE ARRESTS.

THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO TRUTH TO THE IDEA THAT, THAT OUR POLICY HAS PREVENTED ARRESTS.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

UM, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA PROSECUTE A HOMELESS PERSON AND TRY TO KEEP THEM IN JAIL FOR FOUR MONTHS, UH, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE SITTING ON A BENCH THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO.

SO WE'RE MAKING THAT BACK DECISION TO REJECT THE CASE, UH, DOWN THE ROAD.

MR. HENRICKSON, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, CLARIFYING THAT.

CLARIFYING THAT I DO WANT US TO STICK TO SITE AND RELEASE.

UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE OTHER AGENDA ITEM.

SO, COUNCILWOMAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK I NEEDED IT AS WELL.

SO I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH YOU MORE ON, ON THAT.

THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN.

UH, COUNCILWOMAN.

GABRIEL VERDA.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, CHIEF, THE PROGRAM AS IT STANDS, ALLOWS FOR POLICE DISCRETION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

SO YOU MENTIONED BEFORE YOU DO NOT, UH, APPROVE OF IT WITHOUT DISCRETION, BUT THE FACT IS THAT CURRENTLY IT HAS ALLOWS FOR POLICE DISCRETION.

SO DOES THAT INFER THAT YOU DO, YOU ARE WITH THIS, YOU APPROVE OF THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT.

AS IT STANDS THAT, THAT WAS ALWAYS A NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR ME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, WHETHER WE WOULD SUPPORT IT OR NOT.

UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

THANK YOU TO THE, TO MR. DISTRICT, ATTORNEY AND CHIEF FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS.

I THINK THAT IT'S A SOLID PROGRAM.

I, UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE I PRACTICE CRIMINAL LAW AND I SEE A DIFFERENCE, UM, JUST IN MY OWN PRACTICE.

SO I'M, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, UM, THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TOGETHER ON THIS.

UM, WANNA THANK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND MR. HENDRICKSON FOR MEETING WITH ME AND, AND GIVING ME MORE INFORMATION? WE DISCUSSED A FACT SHEET.

UM, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, UM, TO HELP YOU EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY WHAT I CAN DO IN DISTRICT SIX TO HELP EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

WE'LL, YOU THAT OKAY? OKAY.

WE HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP.

TWO MINUTES, COUNCILMAN.

NO, I WON'T BE TWO MINUTES.

SINCE WE'RE DEFERRING THE HOMELESS, I, I DO HAVE SOME BIG CONCERNS ABOUT HOMELESS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT

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OUR LAST MEETING.

I HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOME FUTURE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HERE, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT AND WHAT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO ANYWAY, UM, UH, YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOMELESS, UH, SITUATION, PARTICULARLY IN MY DISTRICT.

AND I THINK ALL THE DISTRICTS HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES.

SO, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND OF COURSE, YOU ARE INVITED BACK TO TALK TO SPEAK WITH US ABOUT THAT ISSUE IN, IN ANYTIME, ANYTIME.

YOU DON'T NEED AN INVITATION FROM US.

UH, DA.

UM, I JUST WANNA WRAP UP THIS CONVERSATION, UH, WITH A, WITH A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

FIRST, UM, I DO WANNA THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, YOU CHIEF, UH, I KNOW THIS WASN'T, WE DIDN'T MAKE THIS EASY ON YOU, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR LEADING THE CHARGE ON THIS INTERNALLY.

UH, DEPUTY CHIEF BLAND AND, AND, AND A FEW OTHERS IN MY OFFICE ARE THE ONES THAT DID ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THIS TO, TO COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS AND WORKING WITH THE DA'S OFFICE TO SORT SORT THIS ALL OUT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO, TO ALL OF YOU, TO ALL OF THAT TEAM.

UH, ALSO TO, TO THE DA'S OFFICE, UH, FOR, FOR REALLY KIND OF STEPPING OUT THERE, UH, EVEN BEFORE YOU, YOU CAME ON BOARD, UH, UH, ATTORNEY, UH, SORRY.

DA, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME, UH, STAFF FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO ASSISTED TREMENDOUSLY, UM, LIZ PROVENCIO IN PARTICULAR, UH, BEFORE WE EVEN, UH, BEGAN.

THIS STARTED LONG BEFORE JULY ONE, UH, OF THIS YEAR.

AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS REALLY, UM, SOMETHING WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO DO IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS TO REVIEW HOW OUR POLICIES ARE WORKING.

UH, AND THE IDEA OF TODAY'S REPORT WAS REALLY ENSURING THAT NO HARM IS COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT THIS POLICY, WHICH IS, UH, GROUNDED IN A LOT OF EQUITY ISSUES IS IMPLEMENTED EQUITABLY, AND THAT THERE ARE NO POPULATIONS THAT ARE SUFFERING, UM, MORE THAN OTHERS AS A RESULT OF, OF THIS, UM, OF THIS POLICY.

SO THESE NUMBERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE JUST NUMBERS, HELP US BEGIN TO, TO TELL THAT STORY.

SO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, YOUR, YOUR FORCE IS DOING A GOOD JOB, UH, ON THAT.

AND, UM, SO I, I THINK THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO, TO THE HEART OF, OF THE POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT.

UM, I'M ALSO REALIZING THAT THANKS TO THIS NEW POLICY, WE HAVE OVER 500 PEOPLE WHO STAYED OUT OF JAIL, UH, IN JUST THREE MONTHS TIME.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR JOBS.

YES, THEY'RE SNAPS, UH, OVER THERE.

UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THEIR FAMILIES, UM, AND CONTINUE GOING TO WORK.

AND THEY DIDN'T END UP WITH THE STIGMA OF A CRIMINAL RECORD, UH, WHICH COULD HAVE KEPT THEM FROM FUTURE EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES, FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, A ONE-TIME MISTAKE.

AND I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S REALLY NOT JUST, UH, OUR BUDGET, BUT HOW DOES THAT BUDGET SERVE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE BENEFIT THAT WE REALLY CAN'T, UM, CAN'T IGNORE.

UM, AND 30, I'M SORRY.

WE ALSO SAVED, UH, 935 HOURS OF, OF POLICE TIME.

I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SAVED MORE.

UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO NOT SEEING HERE IS WHAT WAS DONE WITH THOSE 935 HOURS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEANS WE HAD, UH, WE MADE MORE PROGRESS ON MORE SERIOUS CRIMES, UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT.

SO IT'S NOT ALL CAPTURED HERE.

WHAT WE REALLY HAVE IS, IS JUST A SNAPSHOT.

UM, WHEN WE DO COME BACK FOR OUR NEXT REPORT, I THINK YOU HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, UH, ADDITIONAL FLESHING OUT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

UH, I PERSONALLY DO CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY'S REQUEST FOR, UH, KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE, ON THE BACKEND, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD COLLABORATE WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE DID SHOW UP FOR THEIR APPOINTMENTS, AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO FACILITATE EVERYONE, UH, EVERYONE SHOWING UP.

UM, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, TO WRAP IT UP THERE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK, UH, THIS IS, UH, EXCELLENT WORK AND WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU, MARIA.

OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE, UH, FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

CHAIRWOMAN AND, AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADD THAT THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT WILL BE PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY, AS YOU HEARD.

UM, DEPUTY CHIEF BLANTON, UH, WE DIDN'T GIVE OURSELVES ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER, UH, SINCE THE QUARTER JUST ENDED IN SEPTEMBER.

SO, UM, WITH THE QUARTER, THE NEXT QUARTER, AND THEN IN DECEMBER, WE'LL COME BACK AND PRESENT SIX MONTHS WORTH OF DATA IN, UH, IN, IN FEBRUARY TO, TO THIS COMMITTEE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY

[3. 19-7783 Briefing and possible action on the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) proposed timeline to develop a five year strategic plan for SAPD in collaboration with community organizations and stakeholders [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]

MUCH.

UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH,

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MARIA? YES.

CHAIRWOMAN AND, UH, COUNCILMAN MCMANUS IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT A TIMELINE OF THAT.

I'M SORRY.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

, UH, CHIEF MCMANUS WILL TALK ABOUT A PROPOSED TIMELINE TO DEVELOP A FIVE YEAR, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I TURN IT OVER TO THANK YOU, UH, MARIA.

SO WE, WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER A STR A STRATEGIC PLAN BACK, UM, WAS IT SPRINGTIME AROUND EARLY SPRING.

AND WE, WE GOT INTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GONNA DO IT, UM, WHO WAS GONNA BE INVOLVED.

AND A A, A BIG, BIG PIECE OF THIS STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, IS GONNA BE, UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE ASSISTED WITH THAT BY THE COMMUNITY, SO THAT, THAT'S THE BIG CHANGE TO THIS, TO THIS PLAN, UH, FROM OTHER STRATEGIC PLANS.

UM, WE HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT WE HAVE SELECTED, UH, FROM ACROSS THE CITY, ACTUALLY FROM, FROM EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT, UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, FOLKS FROM THE ACADEMIC WORLD, UH, THE CHAMBERS, DIFFERENT CHAMBERS, UM, BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, WE WERE RELYING HEAVILY ON THEIR INPUT TO, UH, COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN.

WE KIND OF STOPPED, UH, OUR PLANNING FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET SEASON COMING UP, OR THAT WAS COMING UP.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING AGAIN HERE TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, BRINGING THAT GROUP TOGETHER AGAIN TO ASSIST US WITH THIS.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY AND, UH, IDENTIFY GOALS THAT, THAT PROMOTE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN, IN, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE CITY.

AND THEN AGAIN, TO STRENGTHEN THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY ALREADY.

SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GROUP.

UH, WE'VE MET A NUMBER OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ALREADY, UH, NOT JUST ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT ON DIFFERENT POLICY ISSUES AND, AND THINGS THAT WE WERE KIND OF ROLLING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN A, UH, A GOOD SOUNDING BOARD FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.

UM, THE, UH, FOCUS OF THE, OF THE PLAN WILL BE ON CRIME REDUCTION, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RECRUITMENT AND STAFFING AND TECHNOLOGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT THE, THAT WE MAY COME UP WITH THAT, UH, WE THINK MAY BE HELPFUL IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE TIMELINE IS, UH, FOR THE FALL OF 2019, UH, WE'LL HAVE GROUP DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT COMMUNITY, UH, WITH THAT COMMUNITY GROUP.

UH, WE'LL PRESENT AT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE A COMMUNITY SURVEY.

UH, ONCE WE START PUTTING SOME MEAT ON THE BONES OF THIS PLAN, WE'LL GET, DO A COMMUNITY SURVEY TO GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THIS COMMITTEE.

AND THEN IN THE SPRING WE WILL HAVE, UH, OPEN COMMUNITY MEETINGS UP TO RE TO GO OVER THIS, UH, THIS, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN TO KIND OF KICK IT AROUND AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, OTHER IDEAS WE CAN COME UP WITH AND ADD TO THE PLAN.

UH, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND THEN WITH A, WITH AN EVENTUAL, UH, POSSIBLE PRESENTATION AT B SESSION.

SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL.

AND, UH, BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THE BIG, THE BIG THING ABOUT THIS PLAN IS, IS THE MAJOR INVOLVEMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE IN HELPING US PUT IT TOGETHER, WHICH MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE AND ME AND YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

UM, WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY.

YEAH, THANK, THANKS AGAIN, MA'AM.

UH, THANKS CHIEF ON THIS, UH, ADVISORY GROUP DISCUSSIONS.

WHO'S ON THIS ADVISORY GROUP AND HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN THERE? GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

THE ADVISORY GROUP GOT STARTED, UH, BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

ON PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THERE'S A GOOD DIALOGUE THERE.

WHAT IT REALLY WAS WITH A RECONFIGURATION OF AN, OF AN EXISTING GROUP THAT CHIEF PUT TOGETHER SEVERAL YEARS BACK.

THERE'S A DOZEN MEMBERS, UH, SOME OF THE GROUPS REPRESENTED INCLUDE THE GREATER CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE HISPANIC CHAMBER REGION, 20 U T S A, ALAMO COLLEGES, UH, THE L G B T Q COMMUNITY, UH, U T S A, FAMILY VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES, CHILDREN'S SHELTER FOR THE MOST PART.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTING A NUMBER OF FIELDS.

UH, AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, UH, THEY DEAL WITH PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

UH, THE CHIEF BRIEFS THEM

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SO WE ENGAGED 'EM VERY EARLY ON.

ONE OF THEIR FIRST TASKS WAS TO BEGIN CONTEMPLATING WHAT A STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE BEST WAY TO, UH, INCORPORATE PUBLIC INPUT AND REALLY WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES, PRIORITIES ARE BASED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL AREAS OF EXPERTISE.

AND TO BE PREPARED, AGAIN, TO PLAY A KEY ROLE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY AN EXCLUSIVE ROLE THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED.

THERE'S GONNA BE A ROBUST, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.

UM, I'M, I'M, I WOULD, THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS AS PART OF THE TEAM.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

BUT I THINK I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE MORE COMMUNITY-BASED INDIVIDUALS IN THAT GROUP.

LIKE SOMEBODY FROM DISTRICT 10, I'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE THERE THAT WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THIS ORGANIZATION HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE DISTRICT SPECIFIC ISSUES OUT THERE THAT MIGHT NOT BE PICKED UP BY ONE OF THESE GROUPS.

AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS HAVING SOMEBODY LIKE THAT ON THE COMMITTEE.

WELL, THE, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE, UH, PLAN IS TO HAVE CITYWIDE COMMUNITY MEETINGS SO THAT THOSE FOLKS WHO MAY NOT BE ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT.

I AND COUNCIL, BUT, BUT NOT BEING AT THE TABLE TO GET THEIR INPUT INTO THE PLAN BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO THE CITY.

COUNCILMAN, IF I COULD ADD, THERE'S A SECOND GROUP THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER THAT SPECIFICALLY COMPRISED OF ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT.

UM, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS GROUP.

THEY MEET, UH, EVERY OTHER MONTH THEY MEET WITH OUR PATROL, UH, CHIEFS, UH, FOR THAT VERY PURPOSE TO ADDRESS THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL ISSUES, UH, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY, UH, BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE GROUP THAT WE JUST REFERENCED.

SO THEY'RE PROVIDING A VARIETY OF INFORMATION ON, IN TERMS OF THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TRAFFIC, SAFETY ISSUES, CRIME IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THEY WE'RE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR FORUM.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, AS PART OF THE, THIS PROCESS FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THERE WILL BE MEETINGS IN EVERY QUADRANT OF THE CITY.

UH, AND NOT ONLY MEETINGS FOR FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTION, BUT ALSO SURVEYS AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ONLINE AND ON PAPER TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK.

THERE'S GONNA BE A LENGTHY PROCESS.

THIS, THIS PLAN WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED IN THE COURSE OF A MONTH OR TWO.

WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR INCORPORATING ALL THAT FEEDBACK AND THERE'LL BE A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES.

I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT FOR MOST OF YOU HERE ON THIS COMMITTEE, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY HOSTED PUBLIC SAFETY ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATIONS, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SCHEDULING THOSE WITH THOSE OF YOU THAT WE HAD NOT YET HELD ONE.

AND AGAIN, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE CHIEF COMES IN, MEETS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, UH, AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL TO PROVIDE UPDATES AND TO GET THAT IMPORTANT FEEDBACK THAT WILL HELP SHAPE THIS PLAN.

I HEAR ALL THAT.

BUT, UM, I, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEEN SOMEBODY FROM THE EACH DISTRICT ON THIS GROUP, THIS ADVISORY GROUP RIGHT UP FRONT TO GET THAT DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE INTO THAT.

SO THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF, UH, IF WE COULD, UH, INCLUDE THAT SOME KIND OF WAY.

I'D STILL LIKE TO DO THAT.

UM, MARIA, PLEASE, THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN.

AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.

UH, COUNCILMAN, WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE PROCESS YET, SO WITH, WE CAN DEFINITELY MODIFY OUR APPROACH WITH THE INPUT OF THE COMMITTEE.

SO THAT IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY.

SO I WILL MAKE A NOTE AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE, THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, I WILL MAKE MODIFICATIONS ACCORDINGLY.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

UH, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK EACH DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GREAT, BUT, UM, I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT ISSUES THAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE PUTTING INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M ASKING.

IF WE CAN GET A COUNCIL REP, MAYBE SOME COUNCILS DON'T WANT TO HAVE A REP ON THIS, THIS GROUP, BUT I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

THANK Y'ALL.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

UH, COUNCILWOMAN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN VEDA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN.

ANDREW SULLIVAN.

IT IS FRESH ON, I THINK MANY PEOPLE'S MINDS OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING UP IN THE DALLAS AREA AND UP IN, UH, FORT WORTH RECENTLY.

UM, CHIEF, UH, JOE FRANK, EVERYONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.

I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR, UH, MANY YEARS, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS IS OUR PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY BE STRONGER WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS ENGAGED AND IN RELATIONSHIP AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU ALL.

UM, I'LL SAY THIS JUST BECAUSE

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I THINK, UH, WHY EQUITY NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION.

AND, UM, AS YOU ALL HAVE, LOOK AT THESE, UM, GUIDELINES AS YOU LOOK AT THESE, UM, THE SCOPE AND THESE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON CRIME REDUCTION, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RECRUITMENT, STAFFING, TECHNOLOGY, INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M SURE WHAT YOU'LL GET BACK FROM A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS ALSO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POLICE, THE TRUSTED PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHERE ARE THOSE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THOSE.

WHERE ARE THOSE BRIDGES THAT NEED TO BE BUILT? WHERE ARE THOSE BRIDGES THAT NEED SOME MORE ENFORCEMENT AS IN POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT, UM, WITHIN EACH OTHER TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER FOR CRIME REDUCTION AND QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, TO THE POINT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN THIS ADVISORY GROUP AND BEYOND? UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE, AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE THIS, BUT I'LL JUST SAY IT FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, REPEATING, UM, MEMBERS OF THE HOMELESS, THE, THIS LARGE HOMELESS TASK FORCE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT IS THE ALAMO AREA HOMELESS TA HOMELESS TASK FORCE IS A PART, UH, OF GIVING INPUT IN ALL OF THIS AND ELEMENTS AS WELL AS THE VERY LARGE, UM, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TASK FORCE THAT IS A PART OF IT, THAT THEY'RE ENGAGED IN GIVING INPUT IN ELEMENTS, OF COURSE.

UM, I WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE, UM, IMMIGRANT POPULATION, IF IT'S RACES OR OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF, UM, WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT ON OTHER ASPECTS THAT THEY'RE CONTINUALLY PART OF THIS, UM, CONVERSATION.

AND, UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, HEAR WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OF THIS STRATEGIC PLAN, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM, UH, SPOA AND ON WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WISH THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD KNOW ABOUT SITUATIONS THAT THEY'RE IN.

UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE SHARED IT WITH YOU AND MANY OF MY SAFE OFFICERS EVERY DAY THEY, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THEY SAW IT RIGHT HERE, OR IT HAPPENED RIGHT THERE.

AND WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST ARREST THEM? WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST DO THAT? JUST A, A A WAY THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT IN HERE, JUST SHARING OF INFORMATION AND IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT OUR OFFICERS REALLY WISH OUR RESIDENTS WOULD KNOW, UM, THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE ALL COMING FROM, I THINK THAT IT'LL MAKE A STRONGER COMMUNITY TOO.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS PART OF OUR PROCESS AND, UM, TO SEEING WHAT HAPPENS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

GREAT POINTS.

COUNCILWOMAN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN GABRIEL HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, REBECCA MADE THE, THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.

SO I GUESS I'LL SAY THAT.

UM, I, I'M BEHIND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT SHE JUST SAID.

, THANK YOU THOUGH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.

UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.

SO, UM, WITH EVERYTHING THAT OUR COUNCILWOMAN, UH, VERA GROUND SAID AND, UM, HAS BEEN ECHOED, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME TO MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITH THIS IS TO HAVE ACTUAL SECOND CHANCE INDIVIDUALS, EX-OFFENDERS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS SYSTEM, UM, EDUCATE US ON HOW TO MAYBE REDUCE THAT, THAT RATE OF, OF RECIDIVISM AND, AND TRULY START TACKLING AN ISSUE FROM AN INSIDE PERSPECTIVE.

UM, ALSO TO WORK WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, AND THEIR POLICE, UH, SYSTEM, UH, THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT VOICE AS WELL TO SEE WHERE THE GAPS ARE BETWEEN, UM, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR SCHOOLS, AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE SYSTEM AND NOW HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK INTO, INTO CIVILIZATION.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

UM, I CONCUR WITH THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, UM, BUT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY STRATEGY AND PLAN, AND I GET REALLY EXCITED.

SO I'M, I'M, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING ORGANIZED AND WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME, UH, DOWN THE PIKE, SO I'M ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS EFFORT.

CHIEF.

UM, I THINK, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A LIST OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY PARTICIPATING, UH, ON THE ADVISORY GROUP AND, UH, YOU, YOU SAID THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GROUP, JO FRANK.

COUNCILWOMAN.

THERE IS ONE REPRI EVERY DISTRICT, UH, THAT MEETS AGAIN EVERY OTHER MONTH WITH OUR PATROL, UH, COMMAND

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STAFF.

SO WE, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, AND THEY WILL BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.

WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD THOSE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS.

WONDERFUL.

UH, THANK YOU.

I, UM, I JUST WANT TO, TO PLANT SOME SEEDS FOR THE, FOR THE EVENTUAL, ACTUALLY, LEMME TAKE A STEP BACK.

IS THERE A MODEL OF A STRATEGIC PLAN OUT THERE THAT MAYBE YOU'VE DEVELOPED IN THE PAST OR ANOTHER CITY HAS THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT? JUST SO, UM, SO I CAN GET MY HEAD AROUND WHAT, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE? SURE.

THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY ANY NUMBER OF STRATEGIC PLANS FROM ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT YOU LOOK AT, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN.

SOME OF THE, SOME OF THEM ARE, THEY GO UP ON THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE KIND OF PLANS THAT ARE WRITTEN.

THEY GO UP ON THE SHELVES, UH, NOBODY LOOKS AT THEM.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE, UH, SO HEAVILY INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PLAN.

, WE WANT, WE WANT A PLAN THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKABLE, UH, DOABLE AND, UM, UH, PRACTICAL.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, OKAY.

SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

AND THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO, TO REQUEST, UM, MARIA, IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE AT PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, AND SOME OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UH, BEEN MAKING WITH REGARDS TO, TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PD.

AND MAYBE THEY, SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS COULD BE CONSIDERED AS THE, AS THE PLAN IS DEVELOPED.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, I'M ALSO, UM, I'M ALSO HOPING THAT WE'LL SEE, UM, METRICS, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN, UH, CHECK OUR PROGRESS ON THAT.

AND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN WOULD, UH, LIKE TO ADD PLEASE.