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CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? PRESENT SINO.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, BU THANK YOU.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTY AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO BOARD IN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, CAN WE DO ACTION OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 15TH? CAN I HAVE APPROVAL? UM, A MOTION FOR MEETING MINUTES APPROVAL? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
HAVE TODAY'S CASES PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN AS YOU CAN SAY.WE, AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 11 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY VOICEMAIL.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR THESE ITEMS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 9 8 2 2 1 8 WEST GRAMERCY.
MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MPNA AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THANK THE APPLICANT FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 7 9 3 27.
DONALD AF MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MPMA AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS WITH SEVERAL DESIGN ELEMENTS.
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ONE, THE ROOF FORM IS ARBITRARY AND DOESN'T FEEL THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED FOR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.A SIMPLE LOW SLOPE ROOF MAY BE MORE UNASSUMING AND LESS CONTEMPORARY LIKE MANY OF THE CARPORTS ALREADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
TWO, THE DRAWINGS DO NOT INDICATE ANY STRUCTURE OR BEAMS TO SUPPORT THE ROOF FRAMING.
IT'S UNCLEAR HOW THE ROOF IS BEING SUPPORTED.
THE SPAN COLUMN SIZES DO NOT LOOK PROPORTIONATE AND APPEAR INSUFFICIENT FOR THE SPANS.
THREE, THE OVERHANG AT THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD LOOK BETTER WITH MORE DEPTH THAN THE SHALLOW APPROXIMATELY 12 INCH DEEP OVERHANG SHOWN.
IF THE PARKING COURT SPACE DOES NOT LOOK FEASIBLE OR REALISTIC FOR MANEUVERING AND BACKING OUT A VEHICLE AND FIVE, WE RECOMMEND CONFIRMING THE SEPARATION DISTANCE REQUIRED BY CODE FOR A PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS.
WE HAVE NO OTHER NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CONSENT.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WE SHOULD PULL ANY ITEMS FROM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIR? YES SIR.
I'D LIKE TO PULL AGENDA ITEM NINE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WITH STAFF'S, UH, STIPULATIONS.
BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 23 ALAMO PLAZA, 2218 WEST GRAMERCY, 1115 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, FOUR 18 ATLANTA, NINE 30 WESTWOOD 1514 WEST LYNNWOOD, ONE 16 EAST AITA 10 0 1 MASON AND 3 0 9 MADISON STREET.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, THE APPLICANT OR, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, DAVID SANCHEZ.
HE'S HERE VIRTUALLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ WAS YOUR QUESTION TO HIS STAFF OR TO THE APPLICANT? FOR THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU STEP UP PLEASE? HE'S A VIRTUAL MR. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU THERE? I'M SORRY.
IS HE LONG YET? UH, I COULD HEAR THAT.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE, UH, SPEAKING CLOSE TO YOUR MICROPHONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? BARELY A LITTLE CLOSER.
WE CAN PROBABLY ADJUST IT ON OUR END, BUT UM, YEAH, JUST GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER QUEZ, SIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU, UM, MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDING THE CHANGES? I HAVE.
I'VE MET, I MET WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY BEFORE LAST MEETING.
AND, UM, THEY DIDN'T SHOW ANY CONCERNS OVER THE LIST I JUST HEARD ON VOICEMAIL.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF THOSE.
UM, THEN I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE ONES THAT, UM, THEY JUST MENTIONED ON, ON THE VOICEMAIL AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER, UM, THAT YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.
UM, THEY'RE JUST ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD.
AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT THE BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AS APPLICANT? I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE SECOND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING, I MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM.
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HOLLAND.[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
MOVING ON TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.UH, ITEM NUMBER 12 8 38 EAST MAGNOLIA.
IT'S HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 15 1 58.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT FACADE BY REPLACING ONE ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW WITH TWO ONE OVER ONE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS TWO REPLACE FOUR ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE EAST FACADE WITH FOUR ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
THE APPLICANT IS NOTED ALUMINUM OR ALUMINUM CLAD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
AND THREE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PORCH COLUMNS WITH NEW WOOD COLUMNS.
UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW BE PRESERVED.
GLASS CAN BE REPLACED OR RETROFITTED AS NEEDED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS BE REPAIRED.
IF THESE WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE, SALVAGE ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW SHOULD BE INSTALLED.
AND FOR REQUEST ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, THERE ARE TWO STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE PROPOSED COLUMNS FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND TO BE PAINTED.
AND TWO, UH, IF THERE'S A NEW WOOD HEADER THAT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED FOR THE PORCH, UH, THAT IT MATCHES THE PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL AND NOT OBSCURITY.
RAFTER TAILS, UH, THE APPLICANT MR. IVAN SOLIS IS HERE.
PLEASE, UM, IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REPLACE A, A FEW WINDOWS THAT WERE TOO DETERIORATED FOR REPAIR.
UM, ORIGINALLY STARTED OFF WITH, UH, ONE WINDOW, WORKED ON THE FALL, ON THE NEXT WINDOW, TURNED OUT TO BE THE SAME.
SO WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO, UH, GET THOSE WINDOWS TO BE, UM, REPLACED WITH, UH, WITH NEW WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
UH, PREVIOUSLY BY, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH, UM, MR. BRIAN AND I HAD AN APPROVAL TO DO ONE WINDOW, RAN WITH THAT, AND I GOT A SECOND APPROVAL TO DO A SECOND ONE.
AND THEN WHEN I CHANGED MY NEXT SET OF TWO WINDOWS, RAN INTO THE SAME THING, CALLED IN FOR THOSE AS WELL AND, UM, SUBMITTED PICTURES AND EVERYTHING AND IT KIND OF PUT ME IN A, IN A HALT STOP RIGHT AFTER THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WHY WE'RE HERE IS JUST TO FIGURE OUT IF I CAN KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT I ALREADY SWAPPED OUT AND CONTINUE ON WITH NEW WINDOWS OVER TOWARDS THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WITH, UH, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT THEY HAVE REFERRED US, UH, OR YEAH, REFERRED OUT TO US, WHICH ARE GONNA BE PELLA WINDOWS WOOD CLAD.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HERE, UM, PRESENTED THAT I HAVE FOUND THE, THE PELLA WINDOWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE REPLACEMENT ON THOSE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, TWO OUT TOWARDS THE STREET WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY PROVED, UM, THE DOOR TO BE REMOVED AND THAT WINDOW TO BE INSTALLED, JUST WANNA MATCH A SET OF WINDOWS THERE.
AND, UM, ALSO AN OVERSIZED WINDOW THAT'S ALSO FACING OUT IN MAGNOLIA STREET THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, REPLACE WITH, UM, TWO WINDOWS WITH THE MULIAN SO THAT IT CAN PRESENT ITSELF WELL.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WINDOW IS TOO LOW.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT, UH, FIVE AND A HALF TO SIX INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
AND, UM, IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT A SAFE WINDOW.
I SUBMITTED IN, UM, UH, PER, PER MY FRAME INSPECTION THAT, UM, THE INSPECTOR THAT WAS OUT THAT DAY ALSO REFERRED BACK TO THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WINDOW WAS UNSAFE.
UM, MAY I HAVE, UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO QUESTIONING, SINCE WE HAVE, UM, THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE VIRTUAL, UM, WE'LL START WITH THOSE, UM, AS FAR AS ANY QUESTIONS GO.
AND THEN, UM, ONCE WE GET A MOTION, THEN WE'LL GO IN THE SAME ROUTE WHERE WE'LL GO WITH THE VIRTUAL APPLICANTS AND THEN, I MEAN, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
THEN WE'LL GO FROM MY LEFT TO MY RIGHT, UM, FOR QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, SINCE THE VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, I'M JUST GONNA CALL YOUR NAME AND THEN SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO ADD.
SO I'LL START OFF WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE
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WITH LIGHT MATERIAL WINDOW CLA OR WOOD CLAD WINDOWS THAT ARE GONNA BE ALMOST, UH, EXACT LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY IN THERE AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT.WE REFERENCED BACK TO THAT AND ALSO TALKED TO, UM, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE OVER HERE FROM OHP AND, UM, SUBMITTED SOME WINDOWS, UM, WHICH WE THINK ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE WINDOWS, THE, UH, NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY REPLACED.
THEIR PROFILE LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THEIR FLUSH WITH THE WALL OF THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE HOUSE.
IS THAT THE CASE OR IS THERE, DO THEY, IS IT RECESSED A BIT LIKE A NORMAL WOODEN WINDOW FROM THAT TIME? UM, IT IS A, UH, A BIT FURTHER OUT THAN A, UM, OLD WINDOW FROM THAT TIME.
UM, THESE ARE TWO WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
THERE IS, ARE THESE THE ONES YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON, ON THE PICTURE ON THE FRAME? YES.
SO YEAH, THESE ARE, THOSE ARE, UH, TWO, UM, ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT I HAD A VERBAL APPROVAL TO SWAP OUT IN THAT METAL BEDROOM.
UM, AFTER ANOTHER SET TO ANOTHER TWO, UH, UH, WINDOWS CAME ABOUT WITH THE SAME ISSUE, WHAT THEY WERE DETERIORATING, WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T REPAIR 'EM.
UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE FURTHER DOWN INTO THAT SAME PICTURE THERE, UH, SUBMITTED FOR THOSE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT HALTED.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THERE, UM, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH CONTINUING ON THAT SAME WINDOW FORWARD OR, UH, TO THE END OF THE HOUSE.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THOSE, THAT TYPE OF WINDOW BE INSTALLED DEEPER INTO THE WALL OR IS IT ONLY FLUSH-MOUNTED WALL WINDOWS? IT'S NOT A COMPLETE FLUSH MOUNT.
IT DOES HAVE A SMALL RECESS INTO IT.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE ONLY OTHER WAY THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS MAYBE, UH, DOING A DOUBLE TRIM TO MAKE IT LOOK RECESSED, WHICH IS ALSO SOME FORM THAT IT'S ALSO ON THE GUIDELINES FROM THE WEBSITE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT SEEM LIKE IT'S RECESSED IN BY PUTTING IN A, UM, A, A DOUBLE UM, BORDER AROUND THE WINDOW.
WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE WINDOW THAT YOU'VE ALREADY, THOSE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY INSTALLED, IF THIS, IF THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T DECIDE THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YEAH.
AND WE'RE OKAY WITH DOING THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSION ABOUT IT.
NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.
WHAT IS THE VERBAL APPROVAL THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING? SO WHEN I RAN ACROSS, THERE WAS NONE.
I WAS, I'M SORRY, CON I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUPPOSED COM VERBAL APPROVAL THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING.
WHICH WINDOWS WAS THAT? UH, THAT'S THAT ONE YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WITH THE BIG, WITH, WITH THE BIG STICKER ON IT.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT I WAS VERY CLEAR THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE BRIAN GAVE YOU THIS DIRECTION, AND THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
I'M JUST STATING WHAT HAPPENED.
WELL, LET'S STICK TO THE WINDOWS.
UM, THOSE WINDOWS LOOK INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE SPACE AND THEY SHOULD LOOK INSET, UH, LIKE THE FRONT TWO ONES.
UH, WHERE WAS THE DISCONNECT? UM, THERE WAS NO DISCONNECT.
UM, I CALLED IT IN AND I ASKED IF I CAN RUN WITH THE SAME WINDOW THAT WAS APPROVED FOR MY ADDITION.
AND, UM, I HAD SUBMITTED THOSE WINDOWS IN MY ORIGINAL PETITION AND I GOT A VERBAL OKAY TO GO AHEAD AND DO SO, AND I HAD ALREADY HAD THOSE IN PLACE.
SO THAT WINDOW DID NOT COME INTO, UM, INTO QUESTION AFTER ANOTHER, ANOTHER SET OF TWO WINDOWS AROSE.
I CAN MAYBE PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION.
UH, SO, UM, THIS IS IN THE, THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
UH, THIS CASE PREVIOUSLY WAS REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO A SITE VISIT BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WHERE THE FRONT FENESTRATION WAS LOOKED AT AS WELL AS WINDOWS.
UM, STAFF AT THAT TIME FOUND THE SASHES TO BE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
UM, THERE ARE PHOTOS OF 'EM HERE.
UM, THE, UH, REQUESTS AT THIS TIME.
SO THERE ARE, UH, FOUR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE NO LONGER IN THE STRUCTURE THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY MOTIONED BY THE COMMISSION TO BE REPAIRED.
UM, AND SO THE REQUESTS AT THIS TIME IS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE FOUR WINDOWS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE REINSTALLED.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT NO LONGER HAS THOSE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT A SALVAGE ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW IS, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, UM, UM, PRODUCT INFORMATION FOR, UM, A CLAD WOOD
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WINDOW THAT YOU SEE HERE.UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THERE ARE, UH, TWO ALUMINUM WINDOWS, UH, THAT WERE NOT APPROVED TO BE INSTALLED IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT ARE INSTALLED NOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION.
UH, SO THAT'S REQUEST ITEM ONE.
UM, SO THAT MAY CLARIFY THINGS A BIT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, I WAS AT THE SITE VISIT AND LOOKED AT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS AND UM, I BELIEVE WE SAW THAT THEY WERE, UM, REPAIRABLE.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING TO REFRAME THE WALL FOR, TO GET, TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER RESOLVED.
WAS THAT RESOLVED? YES, JUST RECENTLY.
AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT? DID YOU HAVE TO REFRAME THE, THE WALL? UH, UH, YES.
SO ONCE WE PULL OUT ANYTHING IN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WE HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, UM, NO MATTER IF IT'S, UH, THE SMALLEST THING.
SO WE HAD THOSE TWO AREAS WHERE WE HAD TO REFRAME, UM, ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY ON THE DOOR THAT WAS, UM, REMOVED, WE HAD TO REFRAME THE HEADER ON THERE SO WE CAN MAKE THE HEADER GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS FOR THE WINDOWS, BUT IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN REFRAMED.
AND THEN THE WINDOW REINSTALLED, UH, THERE WAS NO WINDOW IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE WHERE THE, UH, DOOR WAS REMOVED.
BUT ON THESE SIDE WINDOWS, YES, ON THE SIDE WINDOWS, THERE WERE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE.
AND, UM, WHEN WE PULLED THEM OUT TO REFRAME AS WE GO TO PUT 'EM BACK ON, AS SOON AS YOU REMOVE THEM, THEY SIT THERE AND, AND THEY GET ALL OUT OF, OUT OF WHACK.
AND WE WORKED ON THEM FOR A GOOD, FOR A GOOD WHILE, TRY TO GET THEM BACK INTO A GOOD SHAPE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN WORKABLE.
UM, I DID SUBMIT ALSO PICTURES OF THOSE, UH, OF THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE JUST KINKED AND, UM, FALLING APART AS FAR AS, UH, THE ONE BYS THAT ARE ON THE SIDES THAT HOLD A WINDOW TOGETHER, JUST PIECES DETERIORATED.
WE SH YOU KNOW, IF WE TRY TO SCREW NAILS THROUGH IT, SHOOT NAILS THROUGH IT, UM, BUNDLE IT, ANY TYPE OF, UH, THING IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST, IT WASN'T HOLDING.
SO, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER FETZER, I ATTENDED THE SITE VISIT.
I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE THERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, REQUESTS, INCLUDING THE WINDOWS, AND WE LOOKED CAREFULLY AT THE WINDOWS IN ALL OF THEM.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MY RECOLLECTION WAS YES, THEY WERE ALL IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
AND THE MAIN ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS WAS, UM, UM, THE REFRAMING AND HAVING TO MODIFY THE OPENING THAT ASIDE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND ALSO FOR STAFF.
FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE EXISTING WINDOWS IT MADE YOU OR CAUSED YOU TO THINK YOU MUST REPLACE WITH NEW, UM, BEING UNABLE TO REPAIR THEM.
UM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE SQUARING AND THE, AND THE FABRICATION OF THE ORIGINAL FRAMES, PERHAPS? OR WHAT WAS THAT? THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE WINDOW WAS JUST UNREPAIRABLE.
AS FAR AS TRYING TO REPAIR WHAT WAS THERE.
AND, UH, STAFF, UM, UM, BRIAN, WHAT WAS YOUR OBSERV, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN THE CONTRACTOR APPROACHED YOU AND SAID, I NEED TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS WITH NEW, LIKE I'VE USED IN THE ADDITION, UM, WHAT WAS THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED OR WHAT WAS YOUR OBSERVATION OF THE WINDOWS THERE? UH, SURE.
SO, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, IVAN, HE SENT ME OVER SOME PHOTOS SHOWING DAMAGE TO THE WINDOW.
UM, WHAT I HAD INFORMED THE APPLICANT WAS IS THAT IF INDEED A WINDOW IS BEYOND REPAIR, UH, THAT EITHER A SALVAGE WOOD WINDOW BE INSTALLED, UM, THAT MEETS THE CONFIGURATION IN THE SIZING, UM, OR, UH, ENLIST THE HELP OF A WINDOW REPAIR SPECIALIST THAT CAN REPAIR THE WINDOW, UM, OR INSTALL A FULLY WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS AS FOUND IN THE WINDOW POLICY DOCUMENT.
AND, UM, I ALSO SHARED THE WINDOW POLICY DOCUMENT AS WELL.
AND SO WAS THE REQUEST MADE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH EVIDENCE OR WOULD YOU GO OUT AND SEE HIM? HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? SURE.
SO, UM, THE DETERMINATION WOULD BE, UH, PHOTOS AND THEN IF THE WINDOW IS, UM, IN A 50 50 CHANCE OF REPAIR VERSUS REPLACE, THEN A, AN ADDITIONAL SITE VISIT WOULD BE SCHEDULED.
UM, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE NEXT STEP.
UM, JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, THAT SPACE AND TIME WHERE YOU TWO ARE COMMUNICATING AND YOU'RE, SOMEBODY'S MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT IS ALLOWED.
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ARE, I MEAN, THESE OLD WINDOWS, THEY ARE LOW TECH FOR A REASON SO THAT ANYBODY CAN REPAIR THEM.SO YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO REPAIR.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU AND, AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO PRETTY MUCH HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD FOR ME BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CASE, A VIOLATION CASE, UM, IT IS BASED ON WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR, UM, STAFF HAS STATED WHAT OUR, UM, DEPUTY, UM, PRESERVATION OFFICER HAS STATED.
UM, IT DID, YOU REPLACE THESE WINDOWS AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE APPROVAL IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AND SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ASKING US NOW TO BASICALLY APPROVE IT ON THE BACK END BECAUSE YOU WENT AND REPLACED THE WINDOWS AND YOU ARE, I KNOW YOU WERE STATING THAT YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU GOT APPROVAL, BUT I, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF SUSPECT TO ME.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED, YOU SAW THE WINDOWS, UM, AND YOUR OPINION WERE BEYOND REPAIR AND SO THEREFORE YOU DECIDED TO REPLACE 'EM AND THEN NOW YOU ARE ASKING FOR US TO APPROVE THOSE ONE? NOT THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
HELP ME, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND.
I, I CALLED BRIAN, UM, ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AND WHILE WE WERE ON THE PHONE, I SUGGESTED CAN I RUN WITH WHAT I HAVE? AND HE GAVE ME AN APPROVAL OVER THE PHONE.
SO YOU HEARD BRIAN JUST NOW? YES.
AND SO, SO WAS, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD WITH HIM AND THE, AND THE ENTIRE OFFICE.
I GUESS THEY'RE, THEY MAY BE SICK AND TIRED OF ME, BUT I CALLED ONE AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS WENT WRONG.
SO LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CLEARLY.
SO WHAT BRIAN JUST STATED NOW, IS HE, WAS HE TELLING THE TRUTH NOW OR HE, WAS HE TELLING THE, OR WERE YOU TELLING THE TRUTH BACK THEN? SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, WHERE THE DISCONNECT CAME FROM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND I'M SURE THEY KNOW THE UDC AND DESIGN GUIDELINES BACK AND FORTH.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE DISCONNECT CAME IN AT, WHERE YOU FELT AS THOUGH YOU COULD REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS.
THE, THE DISCONNECT CAME IN THAT, UM, OH, IT WAS A PHONE CALL AND IT WASN'T IN WRITING.
THAT'S WHERE I ENDED UP LOSING, BUT I HAD THE, THE VERBAL OKAY TO RUN WITH IT.
AND IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE THAT WAY.
AND WHEN I BROUGHT UP ANOTHER TWO WINDOWS, UH, TO SEE IF I CAN RUN THAT SAME PROCESS, THAT'S WHERE RED FLAGS WERE UP.
NOW, WHAT I, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR NOW IS TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS HERE WITH WHAT I PROVIDED WITH THE WOOD CLAD THAT ARE ON THE GUIDELINES OF THE WEBSITE, ALL THESE WINDOWS HERE.
I I THAT THE QUESTION I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND, BUT THE THING IS, IT, IT IS PART BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE CASE RECORD AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A VIOLATION.
BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE WAS NO VIOLATION IN PLACE OR HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, JUST CAME ABOUT WHEN THEY VISITED ON SITE.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW DOES THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A VIOLATION UNTIL THEY CAME ON SITE.
SO RATHER IT WAS TODAY, YESTERDAY, LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH.
DOES THAT MAKE IT ANY DIFFERENT VIOLATION? I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE ON, ON THE TIMEFRAME.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I WAS UNDER AN IMPRESSION THAT I WAS APPROVED FOR ME TO DO THAT.
NO, THE QUESTIONS GUYS, SIR, UH, MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, UH, AT THE VERY END OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, FILE, THERE'S A HOME DEPOT, UH, WINDOW THAT APPEARS TO BE A WOOD WINDOW.
IT, IF, IF WE'RE UNDERSTANDING OR TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE THE CASE IS NOW IS THAT ALL THE WINDOWS WOULD BE REPLACED, THE REQUEST IS TO BE REPLACED WITH THAT WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF'S STANDARDS.
AND IS THAT CORRECT? STAFF? HE IS REQUESTING THE WINDOWS INSTALLED, BUT IF THOSE DON'T GET APPROVED, HE WILL BE WILLING TO DO THIS ONE ON THOSE FOUR ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE BEDROOMS AND THEY WANT AN OPERABLE WINDOW.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU
SO YOUR, YOUR MAIN REQUEST IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS YOU HAVE AND INSTALL TWO MORE OF THEM, CORRECT.
UH, OF THESE ALUMINUM WINDOWS HERE AND THE PICTURE WE'RE SEEING, ARE YOU ALREADY PROPOSING THAT THOSE BE REPLACED WITH THE CLOUD ONES? I'M LOOKING FOR WHATEVER'S GONNA BE APPROVED.
SO IF I, IF I'M NOT APPROVED WITH THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, I WILL, I WOULD, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH GOING IN WITH THE WOOD CLAD WINDOWS ON THESE FOUR THAT YOU SEE THERE.
AND SO THE REASON THEY'RE PROPOSING NEW REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IN THESE FOUR IS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEDROOMS. AND SO YOU FEEL MORE CONFIDENT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPERABLE WINDOW WITH A REPLACEMENT VERSUS REPAIRED? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THAT'S ONE PART OF THE REQUEST.
THE OTHER PART OF THE REQUEST IS ON THE FRONT FACADE
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WITH THE CHANGE FROM THAT LARGE WINDOW TO TWO NEW HUNG WINDOWS GROUPED TOGETHER.AND THOSE WOULD ALSO BE THE, THE CLAD WINDOW THAT YOU SAW IN THE EXHIBITS.
NOW, COREY, THE, THE, UM, CO CITY AND THE WAY THAT, UH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CLARIFYING, BUT IT'S STILL A LITTLE UNCLEAR BECAUSE JUST THE TEMPERATURE OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION, THAT THERE ARE FOUR WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN INSPECTED, AND IT WOULD JUST APPEAR OR SEEM THAT THE MOST REASONABLE, UH, ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT FOUR OF THOSE HOME DEPOT WINDOWS WOULD SEEM TO BE MOST APPROPRIATE.
THEY WOULD ALL MATCH, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL MITIGATING THE FACT THAT THE FOUR ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE GONE.
THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE NOT ON THE SITE.
AND THAT POTENTIALLY THE FRONT WINDOW IS A NO-GO BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING WINDOW THAT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO IT, IT'S PLAUSIBLE, MR. CHAIR, THAT, THAT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FOUR WINDOWS WITH THAT HOME DEPOT WINDOW WOULD SATISFY THE, UM, THE MOST NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE OF, OF A WINDOW REPLACEMENT WHERE A WINDOW DOES NOT EXIST, WHICH THE WINDOW DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, AND THAT THE FRONT WINDOW WOULD REMAIN AS IT IS, UH, JUST IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE INTEREST OF, OF, UM, SPEEDING UP THE, THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE SAT, UH, SATISFY THE COMMISSION? UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ORDER.
I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOUR WINDOWS ON THE SIDE SHOWN WITH THE HOME DEPOT, WOOD WINDOW, CLADDED OR UN CLADDED, AND A DENIAL ON THE FRONT WINDOW.
IS THERE A SECOND? UH, COULD JUST, SORRY.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE REQUESTS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE COLUMN REPLACEMENT.
UH, SO THERE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CAPTURED AND, AND COLUMN AS STIPULATED BY STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, WITH APPROPRIATE SCREEN? UM, UM, SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY.
SECOND, SO I'M ASKING, DO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM YOU BEFORE I ALLOW OTHERS TO CHIME IN NN NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT THAT THE MOTION SHOULD ADD, UH, WITH APPROPRIATE SCREEN.
UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT ABOUT COVERS IT.
I, I MIGHT, I STAND ALSO WITH THE SCREEN ADDITIONS AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, DOES THIS, UH, MOTION INCLUDE THE INSET? LIKE WOULD IT BE ON THE FIRST TWO WINDOWS? IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T NEED IT BECAUSE THE WOOD WINDOW IS AT, IS A DESIGN PROFILE THAT SHOULD MATCH THE, AN ORIGINAL WINDOW.
SO THE INSET SHOULD BE A COMPONENT OF THE EXIST OF THE NEW HOME DEPOT WINDOW.
I, I THINK THE INSET IS NECESSARY.
WHEN YOU HAVE A, A FLUSH MOUNT LIPPED ALUMINUM WINDOW, THEY SIT IN THE FRONT, BUT WHEN YOU PUT A WOOD WINDOW IN THE WOOD WINDOWS DON'T TYPICALLY SIT IN THE SAME WAY THEY SIT IN THE FRAME, SO YOU GET THE REVEAL OR THE SHADOW LINE.
ER, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE, THESE CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, UM, WHAT, ARE THERE COLOR OPTIONS OTHER THAN WHITE VINYL FOR THE CLADDING? NO, THESE ARE WOOD, UN UNFINISHED WOOD.
AND ON THE INTERIOR, THEY'RE JUST THE WHITE PRIME FOR WHATEVER WE WANNA PAINT THEM AND FINISH 'EM OUT WITH, ON THE INTERIOR, I BELIEVE WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S ASKING, SO THESE WILL HAVE THE PINE FINISH ON THE INTERIOR, BUT ON THE EXTERIOR THERE'S A CLADDING THAT PROTECTS THE WOOD AND THAT'S WHAT IS THE WHITE VINYL? IT'S AN OPTION WE CAN GET INTO BROWN OR A DIFFERENT COLOR.
WAS THAT THE, WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? DID, DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? I, IT WAS, YEAH, THE QUESTION WAS THE, THE VINYL CLADDING THAT'S ON THE WOOD WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
ARE THERE OTHER COLOR OPTIONS OTHER THAN WHITE? UH, THERE'S, SIR, SIR, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, I NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
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NAME'S MICHAEL SALAZAR.UM, UH, I GUESS THE, THE, WITH I HAD LOCATED THAT ONE WINDOW, I'VE ACTUALLY FOUND, UH, THROUGH A DIFFERENT WEBSITE, I'VE FOUND SOME PELLA WINDOWS, WHICH OF COURSE I KNOW IS, IS, BUT, BUT MY PROPOSAL WAS TO TAKE AND REPLACE ACTUALLY ALL OF THE OLD WINDOWS WITH THE WOOD CLAD P WINDOW.
AND WHAT IS THE EXTERIOR CLADDING? IT'S, IT'S THE WOOD CLAD, IT'S A WOOD CLAD, IT'S A WOOD WINDOW.
WOOD WINDOW THAT WOULD BE PAINTED ON THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.
CORRECT? IT'LL HAVE, WITH ALL THE EXTERIOR, IT'LL HAVE AN UNFINISHED OR A WHITE INTERIOR.
WE'VE GOT THE SPEC, AND I, AND I BROUGHT THE, I BROUGHT THE SPEC SHEET AND EVERYTHING FOR IT.
EXACT SAME, UH, THREE, THREE FEET BY FIVE FOOT SIZE.
AND THE SIZE MATCHES THE EXISTING OPENINGS? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE HISTORIC OPENINGS, CORRECT.
SEE, BUT MY PROPOSAL WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN PULL UP THE PICTURES.
UH, BACK ON THE SCREEN OF THE, OF THE HOME YOU HAD THE, THE, OKAY, THERE'S, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL.
YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE NOT, NOT THE, THE BACK PORTION.
YOU'VE GOT THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ONE OF 'EM WE TOOK, BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU APPROVED US TO REMOVE THE, THE FRONT DOOR, THAT ADDITIONAL FRONT DOOR.
SO WE HAD TO TAKE ONE, AND THEN IT WAS GONNA LEAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPE OF WINDOWS.
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO INSTALL ONE OF THE, THE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS ON THAT MIDDLE BEDROOM.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE LIKE A, HAVE, SAY, HAVE TWO SEPARATE TYPE OF WINDOWS.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO CHANGE THAT SECOND WINDOW AS WELL IN THAT MIDDLE BEDROOM.
IF, IF Y'ALL APPROVE IT, I WOULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BUY THE TWO THERE.
THE TWO IN THE FRONT, PUT TWO IN THE FRONT ON THE PORCH.
TWO TO REPLACE THAT BIG OVERSIZED WINDOW THAT'S REAL CLOSE TO THE FLOOR.
TWO ON THE SIDE, THE ONE IN THE DINING ROOM, AS WELL AS THE ONE IN THE KITCHEN ALL OUT OF PELLA.
WELL, THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS JUST FOR DISCUSSING THESE FOUR WINDOWS AND THE REPLACING THE BIG PICTURE WINDOW ON THE FRONT.
SO IT IT, ME PERSONALLY, IT, I MEAN, IT'S MY HOUSE.
I DON'T WANT THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE.
BUT THEN YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE WINDOWS.
I'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION.
LET, LET'S RING YOU IN FOR ONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS, IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OR I'M SIR, SIR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UM, PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CASE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT THE VICE CHAIR IS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEN YOU NEED TO COME BACK AGAIN FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD REQUESTED ALL OF THE EXISTING TO, TO BE CHANGED TO.
YOU HAVE MORE? UH, MR. CHAIR ONE, ONE MOMENT, SIR.
UM, NOTICING THE CUT SHEET FOR THE WINDOW THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO REPLACE WITH IS A PERMA SHIELD VINYL EXTERIOR.
SO IT IS A VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOW.
CORRECT? THIS IS NOT THE, THIS IS NOT THE ONE I, I, I'VE FOUND A, AN ACTUAL DIFFERENT, OKAY.
UM, MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN LIES WITH THE PROCESS, UM, BY WHICH WE ARE MAKING THE DECISION FOR THIS TYPE OF WINDOW.
I THINK TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE A WINDOW MISSING, YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED TO REPLACE A WINDOW, AN IN KIND WINDOW REPLACEMENT WINDOW IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.
ONE THAT MEETS STAFF'S WINDOW STANDARDS.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE A WINDOW THAT IS COMPLETELY ROTTED OUT, COMPLETELY UNREPAIRABLE, OR MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS SOME OLD ALUMINUM WINDOWS FROM 30, 40 YEARS AGO, OR PLASTIC WINDOWS THEY NEED TO TAKE OUT.
SO THEN YOU HAVE NO WINDOW AND YOU NEED A REPLACEMENT WINDOW.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS SITUATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN PLACE WERE PERFECTLY FINE.
SO THIS ISN'T STRICTLY A REPLACEMENT FOR A WALL THAT NEEDS A WINDOW AND HAS NO WINDOW.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT THE, THE, THE, THE MESSAGE BEING SENT TO OTHERS, UM, WHO MAY BE IN A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T HAVE TO FIX MY WINDOWS.
IF I TAKE 'EM OUT, I GET A NEW REPLACEMENT IN KIND.
AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THIS IS NOT A PURE, UM, SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD NO WINDOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A SEMBLANCE OF A WORKABLE PERFECTLY FINE WINDOW.
IT'S JUST THE ROUTE THAT YOU CHOSE TO, UM, REMEDY.
SO I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE MOTION.
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I, I THINK THE ONLY CONFUSION, OR THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY I THINK MESSED THIS UP WAS HAVING TO TAKE THE ONE WINDOW TO PUT IT WHERE THE OPENING FOR THE DOOR WAS.I THINK THIS IS A WINDOW TYPE THAT IS PRETTY COMMON.
AND FINDING SALVAGE WINDOWS WITH SOME OF THESE STANDARD SIZES IS PRETTY, IT'S COMMON.
NO, AND I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL FOLKS DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
HE, HE DIRECTED, HE GUIDED ME WHERE TO GO.
DIFFERENT ERAS HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARD SIZES.
LIKEWISE, WITH THE HOME OF THIS ERA, THERE ARE STANDARD SIZES, AND SO, UM, FOLKS DO USE A LOT OF SALVAGE.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAYMAN, NO FURTHER COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ M MR. CHAIR.
AND, AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE SECOND, UH, JUST PROBABLY SHOULD ADD ALONG THE LINES OF THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE DOWN, DOWN THE LINE HERE, THAT THE, THE WINDOW SHOULD MEET STAFF'S, UM, PROFILE REQUIREMENT, RIGHT.
THAT WOULD CLARIFY FOR WHAT Y'ALL WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
THE OTHER THING, I THINK IT'S, IS IT OKAY, CORY, I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE THAT THE ONE THAT'S BEING PASSED OUT DOES MEET STAFF'S STANDARDS.
WELL, IT'S JUST THAT I HAD NOTICED THAT THE OTHER WINDOW HAS A, IT HAS A, A NAILER.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING I THINK IT'S WORTH JUST, JUST TO TELL YOU THAT, THAT IF A WINDOW EXISTS, SO THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S AN ATTITUDE OF, OF PRESERVATION OF, OF THAT WINDOW, THOSE WINDOWS.
SO IT ISN'T A, IF YOU WERE TO SUBMIT, AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU COULD CHANGE 'EM OR NOT.
IT WOULD BE MORE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THOSE WINDOWS ARE IN A GOOD CONDITION, WHICH THEY WENT AND SAW THEM AND HAVE ALREADY VOICED THAT THEY FELT THAT THEY WERE IN GOOD CONDITION.
SO IT ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER ALL THE WINDOWS MATCH, IT'S MORE A QUESTION OF THEIR, UH, OF THEIR AB ABILITY TO BE PRESERVED, WHICH IT SEEMS AS THEY ARE.
AND, AND, AND TO COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UH, COMMENT, UH, COM, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND DON'T BY ANY MEANS WANNA UNDERMINE, UH, THAT BEST PRACTICE.
UH, BUT BEING THAT THE WINDOWS AREN'T THERE AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION TO, TO GET THIS OFF THE, TO GET IT MOVING, UM, THAT'S WHY THE MOTION EXISTS TO, TO ALLOW YOU TO, TO, UH, CHANGE THOSE WINDOWS.
BUT THAT'S ALSO THAT THE FRONT WINDOW WILL CARRY THE SAME ATTITUDE AS THE OTHER WINDOWS, WHICH IS IF THE WINDOW IS IN CONDITION TO BE A WINDOW THAT WORKS, YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THE WINDOW BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF A HOUSE AND A PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
AND, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I SEE YOUR HAND RAISED, BUT, UM, YOU'RE, UM, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THAT MENTIONED, UH, CHANGE.
AND I WANTED MAKE SURE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE, YOU STILL YOUR SECOND SO STANDS, YOU ARE MUTED.
UH, YEAH, MY, MY SECOND STILL STANDS, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A COUNT HERE AND HAVE A SMALL QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I THINK WE'RE SEEING, I THINK WE'RE SEEING THREE, YOU KNOW, THREE DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
THE MOTION, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHERE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE COMING WITH, COMING FROM WITH REGARDS TO REPAIR AS OPPOSED TO REPLACE THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN I SEE WHERE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS COMING FROM, WHERE HE WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING THAT MEETS, UH, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, HAVING ALL THE WINDOWS UNIFORM AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I, I THINK, UH, FOR MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, IS DOES HE HAVE THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW HIS PACKET, RETOOL IT TO WHAT HE WANTS SO THAT THE CONTRACTOR AND THE OWNER CAN GET THEIR, GET THEIR REQUIREMENTS STRAIGHT AND THEN PRESENT SOMETHING HE, HE COULD WITHDRAW? UM, I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE SAME AS THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED THAT WERE NOT APPROVED TO BE REPLACED.
UH, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR THE REINSTALLATION OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER, UM, ALL OF THE WINDOWS WITH THE PELLA PRODUCT OR, OR AGAINST THE PELLA PRODUCT THAT'S BEING PASSED AROUND.
IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO WITHDRAW AND COME BACK, UM, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN HE WOULD COME BACK ON DECEMBER THE THIRD.
WELL, YEAH, AND I THINK I, I WOULD TEND, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF ONE OF THE MORE LENIENT GUYS AS FAR AS WINDOWS GOES ON, ON, ON THE COMMISSION.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THE GRAIN OF SALT, YOU KNOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE PELLA WINDOWS ARE A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT.
THEY WILL LOOK VERY CLOSE TO, OR ALMOST EXACT, LIKE WHAT'S ALREADY ON THERE, FIT THE PROFILE.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY WILLING TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET A CUSTOM, ALMOST CUSTOM MADE WINDOWS TO FIT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE WITHOUT MODIFYING THE FENESTRATION.
SO THAT, FOR ME, THAT SITS, THAT SITS, WELL, I
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DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENT TO PUT NEAR WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE BETTER CONDITION AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING TO REPAIR THEM.AND AGAIN, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS TO THE, UM, HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE WINDOWS, BUT, UH, I JUST THINK, UH, RIGHT NOW WE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA LEAVE YOU WITH SOMETHING YOU WANT.
I THINK THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE COMING ACROSS WITH, UM, EVERY WINDOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO REPAIR AS FAR AS THE FRAME, UM, ONCE IT'S REMOVED, IT'S UNREPAIRABLE.
IT GIVES US SUCH A HARD TIME TO ACTUALLY REPAIR IT.
AND SO THUS FAR, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TOUCHED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE REST OF THEM, BUT IT'S A 50 50 CHANCE IN MY BOOK.
AND, AND THE THING IS, ONCE YOU START POKING AT 'EM, YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA REBUILD THE, THE WINDOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA REBUILDING A WINDOW AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEONE BUILD YOU A WOODWIND.
COULD I CORRECT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE COLOR ONES ARE, UM, COULD, COULD STAFF CLARIFY? SO, UM, THE FRAMES HERE ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REFERRING TO IS THE, OF, OF THE FRAME IS IF YOU CAN, UH, REFERENCE THE TWO FRAMED OPENINGS HERE.
UH, SO THERE IS A FRAMED ELEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE A TRACK IN HOW TO WEIGHT POCKET FOR AN ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW.
THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REFERRING TO.
WHEN HE PULLS THAT OUT, BASICALLY IT'S A SQUARE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S FALLING APART.
UM, REPAIRING THAT IS A, IS A TYPICAL OR A CONSTANT ELEMENT OF WOOD WINDOW REPAIR.
AND SO THE SASHES ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION, THEY'RE SOLID, THEY'RE STRUCTURAL.
UM, IT'S THE ACTUAL FRAME THAT WOULD HIDE THE WEIGHT POCKET.
IT'S USUALLY MADE OUT OF ONE BY SIX MATERIAL THAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING IS DETERIORATED.
UM, THAT, THAT TYPICALLY WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED OR REFABRICATED IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, FRAMING OUT A HEADER IN THE CRIPPLE AND WHATNOT FOR THE ACTUAL FRAMED OPENING.
SO SIR, UM, IF, OH YEAH, APPLICANT AND ON COME BACK UP.
SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS HERE.
UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO CALL UP FOR A VOTE ON.
UM, BUT YOU SHARED, UM, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WINDOWS WITH THE P WINDOWS.
AND WE, WE SAW THE ONES THAT ARE HERE IN IN PERSON.
WE SAW THOSE, UM, THE SPECS AND THEY WOULD, THEY FIT, THEY MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SO, SO YOU CAN ALLOW US TO CONTINUE WITH THIS MOTION TO SEE HOW IT GOES, OR IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND RESUBMIT, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE WINDOWS.
AND SINCE THEY MEET STAFF STIPULATION, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
YOU CAN JUST GO WITH, UM, DO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON THOSE WINDOWS.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, UH, CAN WE SHOW A PICTURE OF THE, OF THE FRONT, OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME? WELL, HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S GONNA GIVE US THOSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR MI MR CHAIR, BUT, BUT, BUT I, I, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THAT THAT OVERSIZED WINDOW THAT'S, THAT'S REAL LOW, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PUT A DOUBLE IN THE FRONT THERE AS WELL, OR NO, MR. CHAIR MOTION? UH, I'M SORRY.
SAY THE CURRENT MOTION IS NO, RIGHT? NO ON THAT ONE, CURRENT MOTION IS NO CORRECT ON THAT, MR. CHAIR.
I, I JUST WITH THE, WITH THE THREE CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN, IT CAN TAKE OFF OF THE TABLE THE, THE KIND OF THE TRUEST, UM, CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WITH A 10 MEMBER COMMISSION, IT'S ALWAYS A GAMBLE AND IT SEEMS A PREVAILING OPINION WOULD ALLOW THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO GET THESE WINDOWS IN THE AREAS THAT ARE VOID AND GAMBLING ON SOMEONE COMING BACK AND GETTING ALL THEIR WINDOWS CHANGED.
UH, PARTICULARLY THE FRONT WINDOW THAT'S PROBABLY IN GOOD SHAPE IF YOU DON'T PULL THE FRONT BOARD OFF, UM, THAT THEY WOULD GET PASSED AND THEY CAN AT LEAST GET THE BUILDING DRIED IN AND THEN THEY CAN SUBMIT AGAIN FOR THE OTHER WINDOWS.
AND IF IT FAILS, WELL THEY GOT THEIR BUILDING DRIED IN RIGHT NOW.
IF THEY GO AND THEY COME BACK, THE BUILDING'S NOT DRIED IN AND NOW THEY HAVE ALL THE WINDOWS IN ONE MOTION, NOT FOUR, BUT ALL OF THEM.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THAT WOULD PASS.
I THINK THE, THE, JUST, JUST SINCE IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A GAMBLE ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS THE WAY IT LOOKS CHARACTERIZED TO ME, I JUST WOULD, UH, SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION THAT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE SEEMS TO BE THE MOST SENSIBLE MOTION.
THAT'S NOT, I'M TELLING THE APPLICANT THAT I'M TELLING THE COMMISSION THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IN YOUR MOTION, YOU SAID WITH APPROPRIATE SCREENS? YES SIR.
WOULD YOU CLARIFY THAT TO SAY APPROPRIATE WOOD SCREENS? BECAUSE ALL THE PICTURES WE SEE ARE ALUMINUM SCREENS
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ON THE HOUSE.NOW I, I, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY APPROPRIATE WOOD WITH WOOD SCREENS.
BECAUSE THOSE SCREENS THAT ARE ON THAT ARE SHOWN THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCE AFTERTHOUGHT SCREENS.
SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE.
SO, UM, JUST GET WITH STAFF ABOUT, UH, YOUR NEXT STEPS.
OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 26 8 13 15 EAST PIRON AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO RECONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 15 13 15 EAST PIRON AVENUE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT A SETBACK DIAGRAM BE PROVIDED TO OHP STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED SETBACK SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE MEASURED IN TWO SCALE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, NOTING OVERALL HEIGHT THREE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRM A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IS USED.
A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF AT LEAST ONE FOOT SHOULD BE USED FOUR, THAT THE ONLY, THAT ONLY LAPSE SIDING OR A STUCCO AND STONE COMBINATION BE INSTALLED IS NOTING NOTED IN FINDING I FIVE THAT THE WINDOWS, THAT THAT WINDOWS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED.
AS NOTED FINDINGS, J AND K WINDOWS THAT ARE GROUPED SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY A MULIAN OF SIX INCHES IN WIDTH.
ADDITIONALLY, WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE EQUALLY SIZED SASHES.
UM, LET'S SEE, THAT IS SIX THAT A WALKWAY FEATURING THREE TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.
IS NOTED FINDING M SEVEN THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
EIGHT, THAT THE APP THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING P NINE THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS NOTED IN FINDING O AND 10 THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE ENTRANCE BE LOCATED TO FACE THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT CARLA LOPEZ AND THE PROPERTY OWNER JOSE CHARO, I HEAR IN PERSON.
AND THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW AND IF THE APPLICANTS WANT TO COME UP AND, UH, INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND PRESENT THEIR CASE, YOU'LL HAVE, UM, 15 MINUTES TO DO SO.
I'M A LIFELONG, UM, SOUTH SIDE RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO, BORN AND RAISED ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, MCCOLLUM HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, AND I WORK ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL WITH THE HOME BUILDER TO BEAUTIFY THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITH MY PERSONAL HOME AS WELL.
UM, I AM LOOKING TO, UM, BUILD A LIFELONG, UH, HOME FOR MY FAMILY AND I, MY WIFE AND I ARE EXPECTING OUR FIRST CHILD AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE A HOME FOR THE THREE OF US.
AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH SO FAR.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, UM, WHAT I SHOULD BE PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE OUR PLANS, UM, PRESENTED HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, WITH SOME UPDATES AND CHANGES.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE CHANGED HERE.
UM, THE FRONT FACING GARAGE, I THINK IS THE FIRST, UH, ITEM THAT WE HAVE IN QUESTION.
UM, AND MY WIFE AND I ACTUALLY DID DRIVE AROUND THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AND FOUND SEVERAL HOMES, UH, ESPECIALLY ON, UH, PYRON THE SAME STREET THAT MY WIFE AND I LIVE ON, UM, WITH, UH, FRONT FACING GARAGES.
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THAT WE'VE PRINTED OUT, UM, WITH THE ADDRESS ON THE BACK.SO, UH, 1643 EAST PYRON WITH A FRONT FACING GARAGE, UH, 1666 EAST PYRON WITH A TWO CAR FRONT FACING GARAGE, UM, 1650 EAST PYRON WITH A TWO CAR FRONT FACING GARAGE.
THESE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT ARE ON PYRON.
AND THEN, UH, THESE OTHER HOMES ARE GONNA BE IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT ON PYRON THAT MY WIFE AND I, WE JUST SPENT ONE DAY, UM, ONE, ONE EVENING DRIVING AROUND.
WE STOPPED BY OUR LOCAL BILL MILLER AND WENT THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND PICKED UP SOME FOOD AND JUST DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRIED TO FIND ANYTHING THAT WE COULD FIND WITH THE FRONT FACING GARAGE.
AND, UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER, UM, THAT SAID A BLANK WALL, FRONT FACING GARAGE, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, PROPOSING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION CAN SEE, BUT THESE ARE GOING TO BE, UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THIS PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN.
SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOME, UM, CARRIAGE STYLE, UM, HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY APPROVED IN OTHER, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICTS THAT WILL NOT HAVE A BLANK FRONT FACING, UH, FORGOT THE TERM THAT SHE USED, BLANK WALL.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WILLING TO ADD IN TO ADD A LITTLE MORE AESTHETICS OF HISTORICAL RECOGNITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MR. CHAIR, UM, ONE MOMENT PLEASE, SIR.
UM, WAS THAT IT FOR YOU, SIR? UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT I AM, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE LAST, BECAUSE I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE MY FOREVER HOME.
UM, BUT UH, THAT IS IT FOR RIGHT NOW, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN HELP TO ANSWER.
AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, I APOLOGIZE.
MY, UH, BUILDER, I'M GONNA INTRODUCE HER.
HER NAME IS CARLA, SHE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUILDER.
UM, I DID WANT TO ALSO STATE THAT THE BUILDER IS WILLING TO CONFORM TO SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY A HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
WE DID SEND, UH, NEW PLANS OVER AND, UH, SHOWING THE ENCROACH OR THE ENCROACHMENT COMING IN OR THAT THE 10 FOOT, UH, ENTRYWAY THROUGH THE DRIVE.
UM, WE DID TRY TO FIND OTHER SOLUTIONS AS FAR AS, UM, NOT PUTTING A FRONT LOADED GARAGE, BUT BECAUSE THE PLOT IS ONLY 50 FEET WIDE, IT DOES NOT GIVE US MUCH ROOM.
WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETELY REDO A NEW FLOOR, PLANS, NEW EVERYTHING, GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECT, GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A ELONGATED HOUSE.
BUT EVEN AT THAT DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, TURNING HIS TRUCK, WHICH IS 24 INCHES LONG, HE WOULD HAVE A VERY HARD TIME IN AND OUT.
AND FOR THIS TO BE FOR HIS, HIS FOREVER HOME AND ALSO EAT UP ALL OF HIS BACKYARD, I MEAN, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T EVEN SEEM LOGICAL.
UM, OUR ONLY SOLUTION WAS COMING UP WITH A NICE, YOU KNOW, UH, FRONT FRAME THAT WE DID FIND, WHICH IN THE GREEN HISTORICAL DISTRICT, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME IN MONTICELLO, UM, WITH THAT KIND OF CARRIAGE LOOK, UM, THAT WOULD SUFFICE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT BLANK WALL LOOK.
UM, ANOTHER THING, THE BUILDER'S WILLING TO COME UP THE OTHER TWO FEET TO MAKE THE FRONT PART FLUSH.
I MEAN, WE ARE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING WE DID.
UH, WE DO, UH, INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS, UM, WOOD CLAD OR, UH, ALUMINUM THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT VINYL IS ENERGY, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT IN OUR MINDS, BUT WILL CONFORM TO WHATEVER IT NEED BE.
OUR ONLY REAL, UH, ASK IS THAT, UH, GARAGE BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, UM, TO GET THAT FLOOR PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, OUR CLIENT WANTS IN, IN SUCH A TIGHT LOT DURING THE, UH, ORIGINAL, UM, ONLINE MEETING THAT WE HAD.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER THAT ASKED IF WE COULD, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT FACING PLANS? UH, THAT THAT'S FINE RIGHT THERE.
SO I BELIEVE HE HAD ASKED IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING UP THE, UM, OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FRONT FACING HOME, SO THAT WAY THE GARAGE IS PUSHED BACK FROM THE FRONT.
UM, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, ADDING ON AN EXTRA FOOT OR TWO, UM, TO THAT FRONT BEDROOM AND THE FRONT ENTRYWAY, SO THAT WAY THE GARAGE IS NOT NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH THE FRONT
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OF THE HOUSE, BUT PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT.SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE WILLING TO DO.
UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, DID YOU HAVE A CLARIFICATION YOU NEEDED? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I'LL GO IN ORDER, UM, FOR VOICEMAIL.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE DID HAVE THE DRCS TYPICALLY THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HIT FIRST.
AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT IN, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, THAT AT THE FIRST DRC, UH, I, THE COMMISSIONER THAT SUGGESTED THAT THEY LOOK IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A, UM, UH, UH, AN ELEMENT OR, UH, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING FRONT FACADE IF THERE WERE GARAGES IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE BECAUSE THEY DID DO THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION.
MY WIFE AND I HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY FIND SO MANY, I, I WAS EXPECTING MAYBE TO FIND ONE OR TWO, BUT TO FIND THREE ON OUR STREET WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISING.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU WHO MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT THANK YOU, WHOEVER THAT WAS.
CAN I HAVE A VOICEMAIL PLEASE? MY NAME IS PRIS CABRAL, I LIVE AT 1419 EAST PYRON 7 8 2 1 4.
I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 4 8 9 2.
AND I'M CALLING TO TELL YOU THAT I AM OPPOSED TO THE CHANGES THAT THIS MAN WANTS TO DO TO HIS PROPERTY.
THAT WAS LAST VOICEMAIL, SIR, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE.
I'LL CALL YOU UP IF I NEED TO.
CAN I, DO I HAVE TIME TO SAY ONE THING? UM, SURE, GO AHEAD.
SO THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR THE, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THE HOME, UH, MY FAMILY'S ACTUALLY OWNED THIS HOME FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, I ACTUALLY HELPED BUILD THE HOUSE WHEN I WAS A KID WITH MY FAMILY, AND THE HOUSE HAS BECOME EXTREMELY DILAPIDATED ON THE INSIDE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST NO LONGER, UM, STRUCTURALLY GONNA BE, UM, GOOD.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, ISSUES WITH THE GAS LINES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE, UH, DIG UP THE PART OF THE HOUSE JUST TO GET TO THE GAS LINES.
UM, THE AC WAS, UH, NOT ANY GOOD.
JUST A LOT OF THE HOUSE WAS NO LONGER LIVABLE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE, UM, SUDDEN NEED TO, UM, REMOVE THE HOUSE AND, AND REBUILD.
SO I'LL GO TO MY VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, IS, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU GUYS, SIR.
HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT A DETACHED GARAGE? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WE DID, UM, CONSIDER A DETACHED GARAGE.
UM, THE LOT SIZE THAT I HAVE IS 50 FEET WIDE.
UM, SO THE HOME, AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, UM, DOESN'T ALLOW ANY TYPE OF DRIVEWAY ONTO THE SIDE.
SO FOR A DRIVEWAY TO BE PUT ONTO THE SIDE OF THE HOME SAFELY, WE WOULD NEED 15 FEET, UM, WHICH WOULD LEAVE, UH, VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE HOUSE.
NOT ONLY THAT, UH, MY VEHICLE, MY TRUCK IS 23 AND A HALF FEET LONG, SO FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE, UM, VEHICLE TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE FOR A DETACHED GARAGE, I WOULD NEED A CLEARANCE OF 40 FEET, UM, WHICH WOULD ONLY LEAVE AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET IN THE BACK FOR ME TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF, UM, SIDE CLEARANCE.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID NOT, UM, WHY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CONSIDER A SIDELOADED GARAGE.
THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL SIDELOADED GARAGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OR, OR I APOLOGIZE, UH, DETACHED GARAGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOWEVER, THOSE LOTS ARE, UM, EXTREMELY WIDE THAT ALLOW A RANCH STYLE, LIKE A REALLY WIDE HOME WITH A DETACHED GARAGE ON THE SIDE.
AND MY LOT IS ONLY, UM, 50 FEET.
SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY MY LOT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER? YES, THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER GOWAY, NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.
AND NO QUESTION, JUST A QUICK COMMENT, JUST BASED ON THE DRC, WE DID RECOMMEND AND LOOK AT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE BACK AND HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH THE SIDE.
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AS IT'S BEEN SAID, IT IS VERY NARROW.UH, I HAVE SEEN THIS LOT, UH, AS I'VE, DR.
I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE, AND I, IT IS PRETTY NARROW.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I SAID WHEN WE WERE DOING THE DRC, IS, CAN YOU PUT IT IN THE BACK? CAN YOU DO A THREE POINT TURN IN THE BACK? BUT IT IS A VERY NARROW LOT.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MAZUA PERMIT.
VICE SHERIFF ZER? YES, I WAS THE, UH, APPLICANT IN THEIR, UH, CONTRACTOR AND A DESIGNER, AND WE DID DISCUSS AT LENGTH OPTIONS, UM, FOR THE GARAGE.
UM, ONE, ONE SUGGESTION MADE WAS TO PUSH THE FRONT FACADE OF THE GARAGE BACK SO THAT IT WAS SO THAT THAT HOUSE PART OF THE FRONT OF THE, THE STRUCTURE WAS MORE PROMINENT THAN THE, THAN THE GARAGE ITSELF.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ACTUAL DISTANCES, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, JUST, JUST BRINGING THE, THE BEDROOM THREE, LOOKING AT THE PLAN, BRINGING THE BEDROOM THREE OUT FLUSH WITH THE, WITH THE GARAGE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO, UM, EMPHASIZE THE HOUSE PORTION AS OPPOSED TO THE GARAGE PORTION.
UH, ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, WHICH, UH, AND I'M, I GUESS I NEED TO QUESTION HERE, DON'T WE? YEP.
UM, SINCE YOU'RE WILLING TO MAKE SOME, UH, REVISIONS BASED ON DRC COMMENTS AND STAFF COMMENTS, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, COME BACK TO A DRC WITH, UH, PROPOSALS, SKETCHES, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE FINISHED DRAWINGS, UH, BUT WITH WHAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, RESPOND TO THESE, UH, COMMENTS? UM, YES, SIR.
UH, I DID, UH, MENTION THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, ADD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BEDROOM THREE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD PUSH THE, UM, FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME OUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN A FOOT OR TWO.
IF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I PASSED AROUND, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THE GARAGES THAT ARE FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT LOOK LIKE MAYBE EVEN JUST A FEW INCHES INSET.
UM, I'M ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO PUSH THAT FRONT BEDROOM.
I, I WOULDN'T MIND GIVING MY SON A, A LARGER BEDROOM.
SO, UH, ADDING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN ONE OR TWO SQUARE FEET TO THAT BEDROOM, UH, ON THE FRONT FACING TO PUSH IT OUT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE DOABLE.
AND WOULD YOU, UM, AGAIN, DON'T WANT TO DESIGN BY COMMITTEE HERE, BUT, UH, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK WITH A DRC TO, UH, DISCUSS THESE REVISIONS THAT WOULD RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY SKETCHES DRAWN UP ALREADY, UM, THAT WE JUST, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS ON OUR END.
UH, DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THOSE WITH US RIGHT NOW.
UM, NO
WE, WE DID HAVE, UM, ONE DRAWING THAT I BROUGHT UP.
UH, SOMEBODY HAD ASKED ABOUT IS THERE AN OPTION TO DO A THREE POINT TURN? AND WE DID DO A VERY SMALL SCALE OF THAT, JUST WITH THE LOT SIZE, WITH THE, SORRY, WITH THE, UM, NEEDING LIKE 40 FEET.
SIR, LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR YES, SIR.
SO, UM, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK HERE.
WOULD, YES, SHOULD BE WILLING TO DO THE DESIGN, THE DRC.
AND THEN, SO WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, MAYBE ADDRESS THAT LATER ON ONCE AGAIN INTO DISCUSSION, SIR.
SO THIS WOULD BE A, UM, A SMALL RENDITION OF WHAT A THREE POINT TURN IN A REAR, UM, DETACHED GARAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, IT WOULD BASICALLY EAT UP MY ENTIRE BACKYARD JUST TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THERE, JUST TO DRIVE SAFELY IN AND OUT.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR.
UM, THE, THE, UH, MI MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, UM, PROJECT HERE, THE PRESENTED, UH, I MADE SURE I WAS AT THE DRC 'CAUSE IT'S A DISTRICT THREE, UH, PROJECT, AND THAT'S THE DISTRICT THAT, UM, THAT I'M APPOINTED FROM.
UH, BUT, BUT WITHOUT HAVING ANY QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT'S ON THE END
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OF THE QUESTIONS LIST.WELL, SIR, UH, CONSIDERING THAT, THAT WE, WE STILL HAVE THE, THE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR DRC, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, UH, WITH, WITH REFLECTING THE GARAGE DOOR SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT THAT ARE THE, THE, THE PICTURES THAT ARE IN THE PDF PRESENTATION.
UM, AND, UH, THAT THE MOTION, UH, FOR, UM, UH, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS IN CONSIDERATION OF A DRC FOCUSED ON SUBORDINATING, THE GARAGE IN THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH I THINK SPEAKS TO COMMISSIONER FETZER'S, UM, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
AND I, AND I WANNA SAY THAT BECAUSE, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, WELL, I CAN SAVE THAT FOR, FOR, UM, FOR DISCUSSION.
SO THIS, UM, SO END OF MOTION.
SO LET'S CLARIFY YOUR MOTION AND SO I CAN GET A SECOND.
SO CLARIFY THE MOTION, PLEASE.
MOTION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND A DRC COMMITTED TO THE, TO THE SUBORDINATION OF THE FRONT FACADE FOR CONCEPTUAL.
THE REQUEST IS FOR CONCEPTUAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT.
OKAY, MR. MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, THE, UH, DR C'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE, THE ABILITY TO MOVE OF, OF, OF AN 11 FOOT BEDROOM TO A 13 FOOT BEDROOM.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN VERY CAREFULLY, THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 11 FOOT BEDROOM TO A, TO A 13 FOOT BEDROOM AND THE FRONT BEDROOM TO A 13 FOOT BEDROOM.
SO, SO IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF SUBORDINATION, THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS HERE THAT I BELIEVE IN A DRC, UH, WILL ONLY RESULT IN, IN AN EVEN, EVEN FINER SOLUTION.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, THAT, UM, UM, BEING VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS DISTRICT, UM, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE HOUSES THAT HAVE, UH, AT, AT EVERY STAGE CHALLENGE THE NEXT HOUSE WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT IT, THEY, THEY COMMUNICATE A MODERN SOLUTION IN WHAT IS KIND OF A RANCHY ENVIRONMENT.
SO YOU, FROM, FROM H HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE PALACES TO HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE MINI VERSIONS OF THOSE PALACES, THIS DEFINITELY FITS WITHIN THE PIRON STREET, UH, AESTHETIC.
BUT I THINK ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, COMMISSIONER FESTER'S CONCERNS, I THINK A DRC WOULD GET IT EVEN CLOSER.
AND THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THAT THIS HOUSE MIGHT EVEN BE A BETTER EXAMPLE THAN THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A STIPULATION, CORRECT? THAT THE STIPULATION THAT THE, THAT THE GARAGE BE MOVED TO A SUBOR AS A SUBORDINATE FEATURE TO THE FRONT F OUT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IN THE DRC? YES, SIR.
THAT, THAT'S THE FOCUS OF THE, THAT'LL BE DC.
SO THE, YEAH, CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THAT STIPULATION.
UM, SO FOR DISCUSSION, UM, WELL QUICK CLARIFICATION, DOES THAT, UH, SINCE IT'S FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL OF OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES SIR, IT DOES.
SECOND STANCE WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER CHE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, SIR?
LET ME, LET ME GET THAT HAND DOWN.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, NO QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER GDA? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VESQUEZ? NO, SIR.
COMMISSIONER MAYMAN, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
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NA FETZER NAY AND GIBBS NAY.SO, UM, YOUR MOTION PASSES, SIR.
SO YOU'LL GIVE WITH STAFF AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE YOU NEXT STEPS FOR THAT, SIR.
UM, AND DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER FETZER ON THE DISTANCE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PUSH THE FRONT OF THE FACADE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE? UH, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T, UH, DESIGNER AND, AND CONTRACTOR AND, UM, JUST SUBORDINATING THE GARAGE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, UH, PHYSICALLY, UH, I THINK THAT THE MAIN POINT OF MY COMMENTS WERE THAT, UH, THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE PROMINENT AS OPPOSED TO THE GARAGE.
UH, IF THAT MEANS, UH, TWO SINGLE DOORS RATHER THAN ONE BIG GARAGE DOOR, UH, LIKE IN SOME OF THE EXAMPLES YOU SHOWED, UH, Y'ALL MIGHT EXPLORE THAT AS WELL.
THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.