[00:00:07] WHERE. >> MAYOR JONES: GOOD MORNING. THE TIME IS 10:01 P.M. ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER SEFNTD, 2025 AND THE MEETING OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> CLERK: >> MAYOR JONES: FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS FROM THE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. WONDERFUL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> MAYOR JONES: OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. EACH WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND I'LL CALL THEM IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'VE SIGNED UP. FIRST PERSON IS CHACIALS FUENTES, THE SECOND PERSON IS MICHELLE DAVIS. Z. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE GOFERS NANS COMMITTEE. I'M CHARLES FUENTES, HER HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNICATION LABORERS OF AMERICA. THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS ITEM TODAY. THE TRADES ADVISORY BOARD REPRESENTS A MEANINGFUL STEP FORWARD ENSURING THAT OUR CITY'S INVESTMENTS REFLECT STRONG LABOR STANDARDS, FAIR WAGES AND REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR SAN ANTONIANS WORKING FAMILIES. AT ITS CORE, THE PROPOSAL, IT'S ABOUT BUILDING A BRIDGE BETWEEN POLICY AND PRACTICE, AND CREATING THAT SPACE WHERE THOSE WHO BUILD OUR CITY HAVE A VOICE IN HOW WE GROW IT. IT RECOGNIZES THAT THE STRENGTH OF SAN ANTONIO'S ECONOMY DEPENDS NOT ONLY ON DEVELOPMENT BUT THE CAREERSES AND JOBS THE DEVELOPMENT SUSTAINS. BY ADVANCING THIS MEASURE, YOU CONFIRM THE COMMITMENT TO EQUITY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND SHARED PROSPERITY ALL VALUES THAT ENSURE OUR PROGRESS AS A CITY WITH EVERYONE TOGETHER. ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING PEOPLE ACROSS STA, I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT IN MOVING THIS ITEM FORWARD TO THE ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBERS MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ AND CASTILLO FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND PARTNERSHIP IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: MICHELLE DAVIS, THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK TODAY. MY NAME IS MICHELLE DAVIS. I'M PRESIDENT OF ABC SOUTH TEXAS. WE DID SENT AN E-MAIL, JOINT LETTER FOLLOW-UP THAT WAS A LETTER ON APRIL 1ST THAT WAS FROM RESCA, AJSA, AND ABC, I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME HEIGHTS OF THE FOLLOW-UP LETTER. AS DRAFTED THE MEMBERSHIP REMAINS LARGELY LIMITED TO UNION-AFFILIATED OR PRO UNION ORGANIZATIONS WITH NO PROP PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION OF THE SHOP SECTOR. 98% OF TEXAS CONSTRUCTION PROFESSIONALS ARE NONUNION. TO ENSURE BALANCED REPRESENTATION AND MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE TAB INCLUDE EQUAL REPRESENTATION FROM BOTH NONUNION AND UNION CONTRACTORS. THE CCR'S PREMISE THAT THE CITY MUST PROTECT LABOR STANDARDS AND ENSURE FAIR WAGES DUPLICATES AUTHORITY ALREADY ESTABLISHED UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE LAW, AND LAST, WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO A SKILLED, SAFE AND EQUITABLE WORKFORCE, TO ACHIEVE A GOAL THE TAB SHOULD REMAINED BALANCED, TRANSPARENT, ADVISORY IN NATURE AND ENSURE MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION FROM ALL SECTORS OF SAN ANTONIO'S CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND REMAIN READY TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF TO COLLABORATE OBA REVISED FRAMEWORK THAT REFLECTS SAN ANTONIO'S DIVERSE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY AND COMPLIES FULLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 2. ITEM 2 IS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER MARC WHYTE, DISTRICT 10, ON TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT. AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A FOLLOW-ON TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. STAFF, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, GO AHEAD. >> WALSH: MAYOR, I'LL OPEN IT UP. I'VE GOT THE FIRST COUPLE SLIDES. SO THE AGENDA THIS MORNING HAS THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, TWO ARE RETURNING. CAN WE GO TO THE OTHER SLIDE? GO BACK ONE MORE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. RIGHT THERE. SO I'M SORRY, SO TWO THAT ARE RETURNING, ONE THAT [00:05:04] IS A CCR FROM SEPTEMBER 2025 AND THE -- I WANTED TO -- LIKE WE DID WITH THE FIRST MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I WANT TO START WITH AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE HAS AND WHAT IT INCLUDES IN TERMS OF THE FOUR ALTERNATIVE PATHWAYS THAT THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE CAN DEAL WITH A CCR. ONE IS TO SUBMIT FOR LEGAL AND DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW AND COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE. THIS GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE WITHIN 90 DAYS, NO LATER THAN 90 DAYS. TWO, CAN ASSIGN THE CCR TO A COUNCIL COMMITTEE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE -- A FUTURE CONVERSATION, CAN GO STRAIGHT TO AN A OR BEGSOR B SESSION, CAN ALSO BE REFERRED TO THE MANAGER'S OFFICE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT YEAR'S GOAL-SETTING PROCESS AND LASTLY A VOTE TO REMOVE IT FROM CONSIDERATION. IN LINE WITH THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE LAST TIME, I WANT TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT CONSIDERING, THIS WAS IMPORTANT, TOO, THE MAYOR AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, TO HIGHLIGHT THESE AS WELL, WHAT ARE THE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS, THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, THE FEASIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTATION, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CCRS AT THE LAST MEETING, MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO DELIVER OR IMPLEMENT, WHAT PROBLEM OR ISSUE WE ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, THE MOLESY CONVERSATION, AND DOES THIS MATTER NEED TO BE A CCR IN GENERAL, WHICH IS PROBABLY ENCAPSULATED WITH ALL THOSE ISSUES W ISSUES WITHIN THE SLIDE. SO JUST TO LEVEL SET, I KEEP USING YOUR TERM MAYOR, I'VE BEEN UTSAING THAT USING THAT A LOT IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. >> MAYOR JONES: SHARING IS CARRYING, ERIK. >> WALSH: FREDDY MARTINEZ WILL GO THROUGH THE FIRST ITEM, THEN MIKE SHANNON AND WE OO'LL HAVE MORE. FREDDY. >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS FREDDY MARTINEZ. TODAY I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE CCR AND THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT. JUST TO KIND OF RECAP THE BACKGROUND, THIS CCR WAS SUBMITTED ON MARCH 25TH OF 2025 BY COUNCIL DISTRICT 10 AND IT REQUESTS THE DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLICATION OF AN ANNUAL TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED AND ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENTS. IT WAS ALSO CONTINUED FROM THE OCTOBER 15TH MEET SOG THAT CITY STAFF COULD PROVIDE A SAMPLE STATEMENT AS WELL AS OPTIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION. THE REQUEST INCLUDES A STATEMENT TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S W WEBSITE AND ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED -- ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENTS. THE REQUEST ALSO ASKS THAT THE -- BE ADOPTED AS A CITY ORDINANCE FOR THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT TO INCLUDE THE PROPERTY TAX, THE ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX CALCULATION AS WELL AS SOME FEE COMPARISONS. FOR THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT, IT HAS BEEN CREATED AND CAN BE POSTED ONLINE FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION. THE STATEMENT INCLUDES THE CITY PROPERTY TAX COMPARISON AS WELL AS A FEE COMPARISON THAT INCLUDE THE SOLID WASTE FEE, THE VIERLT L FEE, THE PARKS VIERNLT L FEE AND THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. THE CITY WILL REQUEST CPS ENERGY AND SAWS TO PROVIDE AN IMPACT STATEMENT AS THEIR FEES ARE SET OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO HERE ARE THE PROPERTY TAX BILL AND ALSO THE FEES, THE SELECTED F FEES THAT WILL BE PRESENTED ON THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT. THIS COMPARES FISCAL YEAR '25 RATES TO THE FY '26 APPROVED OR ADOPTED RATE, SO JUST KIND OF -- QUICK. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THIS STATEMENT IS WHAT A TYPICAL RESIDENT OR TAXPAYER WOULD PAY. THIS IS NOT AN ALL INCLUSIVE FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE LESS, OR A LOT MORE AND A LOT LESS AS COMPARED TO WHAT'S ON HERE. THE FEES SHOWN HERE ARE FEES THAT ARE IMPACTFUL TO MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CITY. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER FEES -- THE FY '26 PROCESS SUCH AS ALARM FEES, BUT THOSE ONLY REPRESENT A SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION. THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 20,000 FEES -- PERMITS THAT ARE ISSUED EACH YEAR, VERSUS 600,000 RESIDENTS OR CUSTOMERS THAT PAY THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEE, AS AN EXAMPLE. SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE MAJOR FEES THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. SO STARTING WITH THE PROPERTY TAX BILL, SO THIS WOULD -- WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THE ADOPTED RATE OF 54.15 CENTS, IT'S THE SAME RATE FOR FY '25 AND '26, THE MEDIAN VALUE INCREASED TO 160,000, A LITTLE INCREASE, THAT'S [00:10:01] CAUSING A $17.27 ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. THE SOLID WASTE FEES AND THE SOLID WASTE ENVIRONMENTAL FEES, NO CHANGES TO THE RATES THERE, SO FOR THE SOLID WASTE FEE, THAT'S A TOTAL OF $369 A YEAR. THIS REPRESENTS CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE THE LARGE BROWN CART. THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 75% OF THE SOLID WASTE CUSTOMERS, SO THAT'S THE FEE THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS PAY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEE, THERE'S ABOUT 670,000 CUSTOMERS THERE, THAT IS ALSO $3 A MONTH, SO THE IMPACT ANNUALLY IS $36. THE PARKS ENVIRONMENTAL FEE, AS YOU'LL REMEMBER DURING THE BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS, WE RAISED THAT FEE BY 50 CENTS, SO THE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYER IS $6 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. FIFINALLY, THERE'S THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE, NO CHANGE BETWEEN '25 '25 AND '26, THIS REPRESENTS THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER BETWEEN 2770 AND 4,220 SQUARE FEET. ABOUT HALF THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS PAY THE MIDDLE FEE, THIS IS TIER 2 OF THE FEE, $59.28. OVER ALL YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF $23.27 OR ABOUT 1.7%. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO IMPACT ABOUT THE TAXPAYER INCOME STATEMENT THAT WE'VE DRAFTED IT INCLUDES LA LANGUAGE ABOUT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND THERE'S A LAYER THERE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO APPLY FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, SO THAT WILL BE ON THE STATEMENT AS WELL. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER RESOLUTION THAT INCORPORATES THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT AND ANNUAL PROPOSED ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENT AND THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THIS WOULD BE LED BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WE COULD ALSO PUBLISH THE TAXPAYER STATEMENT BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE ADOPTED BUDGET, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY WE DO WITH OUR PUBLIC BUDGET HEARINGS. CURRENTLY WE ADVERTISE IN THE EXPRESS-NEWS AND LA PRLA PRENSA. AROUND FINALLY IF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE SO CHOOSES AND WANTS TO ADVANCE THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL, WE CAN BRING THIS TO COUNCIL AS SOON AS DECEMBER OR JANUARY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: AND THE SPONSOR OF THE CRR, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE IS HERE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. >> WHYTE: THANK YOU, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. TRANSPARENCY IN WHAT WE DO DOWN HERE AT CITY HALL, MAYOR, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT, AND I THINK WE HAVE REALLY AS A COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO OFTEN WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SEE A NEW LITTLE LINE ON THEIR CPS BILL OR ON THEIR SAWS BILL OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THE CITIZENS DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO PAY MORE. SO THIS IS SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT WE NOTICED THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES AND WE THOUGHT FROM A TRANSPARENCY PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO BRING HERE TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. MARIE AND I TALKED LAST NIGHT, AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE PART ABOUT THE NEWSPAPER, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW -- AND I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY THIS MORNING TELL ME, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO FIND THINGS ON THE CITY WEBSITE OR IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS TO THE BUDGET AND ALL THE REST OF IT, SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PRIOR TO PASSAGE OF THE FINAL BUDGET, I THINK THE BUDGET MEETING GETS POSTED ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE, MAYBE IT'S IN THAT WEEKEND'S NEWSPAPER, THAT THERE IS A HALF PAGE OR A QUARTER PAGE OR WHATEVER IT IS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WHERE, AGAIN, THIS TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT COULD BE -- COULD BE PUBLISHED SO THAT THE CITIZENS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WHEN WE PASS THE UPCOMING YEAR'S BUDGET. SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LOOKING AT THIS AND HOPE THAT IT PASSES TODAY. THANKS. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND CERTAINLY AS MUCH TRANSPARENCY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT HOW OUR COMMUNITY'S RESOURCES ARE BEING INVESTED ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT'S ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT, THOUGH, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, WHEN WE ARE RAISING RATES ON FOLKS, THAT WE HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THAT AND WHERE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO GO. I MEAN, I REMEMBER JUST IN THIS LAST SESSION, WE WERE TRYING TO, ONE, CLOSE A GAP, AND ONE OF THOSE WE ENDED UP RAISING -- IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE METRO HEALTH, I THINK IT WAS A FOOD INSPECTION FEES, RIGHT, WE ENDED UP RAISING FROM THAT ABOUT $400,000. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WENT TO GO PAY FOR WAS THE SA KIDS BRIEF PROGRAM, RIGHT, THE PROGRAM THAT HELPS THOSE [00:15:04] FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DON'T -- THAT CAN'T ACCESS ALL THE ASTHMA-RELATED RESOURCES THAT HELP THEM, ONE, AVOID HAVING TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, WHICH IS QUITE EXPENSIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO ENSURE THAT'S THOSE KIDS ARE SHOWING UP IN SCHOOL, RIGHT, AND DON'T MISS MORE DAYS OF SCHOOL. SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING THE CHANGES, BUT I THINK WE ALSO OWE IT TO OUR COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE DO TAKE THESE STEPS, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH. SO MY REVISION TO THIS WOULD BE SOME INCLUSION OF THE EXPLANATION OF EXACTLY, IF WE WERE TO RAISE ANY OF THESE, WHAT THAT IS GOING TO GO AND PAY FOR IN THE BUDGET. I THINK THAT'S ONLY FAIR. OKAY. LET ME GO TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? COUNCILMAN MUNGIA? >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THIS CONCEPT AND THIS IDEA AND DEFINITELY PUTTING IT IN THE PAPER, TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK ULTIMATELY, IT SHOULD ALSO BE, IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, A COVER SHEET IN THE BUDGET BOOK WHEN IT'S PUBLISHED THAT PEOPLE CAN DINED R KIND OF SEE. HOWEVER I DO THINK THE ACTUAL STATEMENT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. IT ALMOST SEEMS A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT ALL THEY PAY TO THE CITY ST. $1,300 A YEAR. I KNOW THAT'S BASED ON AVERAGES AND KIND OF WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT THAT IS NOT ACCURATE IN ANY WAY. AND SO I THINK ALSO THE TAX RATE NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. AND I THINK, AS I SAID LAST TIME, WE FOREGO PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WHEN WE REDUCE THAT RATE EVERY YEAR OR SO. WE NEED TO PUT THE SAVINGS TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT SENSE, BECAUSE THAT IS SAVING THEM MONEY WHEN WE REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, WHICH WE'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS NOW. I ALSO THINK SOME OF THESE FEES THAT ARE THERE, THEY NEED TO BE SPECIFIED, IT IS THROUGH A CPS OR SAWS BILL. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE BILLS -- DO NOT DO CPS OR SAWS FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DON'T PAY THOSE FEES. AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OR THE RATE THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE. SO, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT EVERYONE'S SOLID WASTE FEE IS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH. AND SO I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB OF THAT. SALES TAX, WE DO GET SALES TAX REVENUE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THAT ON THERE ALSO, THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT SOMEONE SPENDS, WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT BACK IN THE SALES TAX, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT ALSO. HOTEL O OCCUPANCY TAX, AIRBNBS, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE. I ALSO THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND BE TRANSPARENT, WE DON'T TRY TO CAPTURE SOME SORT OF IMAGE THAT MAKES PEOPLE SAY, I PAY 10 TIMES MORE THAN THAT, THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY ENCAPSULATED OF WHAT WE GET AND HOW WE GET IT, AND SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF SEE THAT MORE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU SEE ENVIRONMENTAL FEE, PARKS VIERNLT L, DRAINAGE UTILITIES, SOLID WASTE FEE, ALL COLLECTED THROUGH UTILITY BILLS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. FRANCISCO, IF I MAY, HOW DOES THIS STATEMENT DIFFERENT THAN HOW AWN AUSTIN DOES IT? >> MAYOR, THIS IS PRETTY IDENTICAL, SHOWS THE SAME TYPE OF STEP THAT AUSTIN DOES. WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER SAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS. MOST OF THEM JUST DO THE PROPERTY TAX, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STATE MANDATES AT THIS POINT, BUT OTHERS I'VE SEEN THEIR UTILITY FEES AND SOLID WASTE FEES AND SUCH. SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT AUSTIN DOES AND WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE DO AS WELL. >> AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, MAYOR, IF YOU PAY A RESTAURANT YOU'RE PAYING OTHER FEES TO THE CITY THAT ARE NOT REFLECTED ALSO. I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS FORBE IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE TRUE PICTURE, BECAUSE I THAT PROPERTY TAX BILL ARE NOT WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE PAYING. THOSE ARE MY TWO CENTS. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILWOMAN? >> VIAGRAN: I APPROVE THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW. I AM VERY WEARY OF ANY -- AND ANDY, IF YOU CAN CHIME IN, ANY TIME WE SAY "YOU'RE SAVING MONEY" OR "YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY" BECAUSE THAT SEEMS VERY POLITICAL AND PARTISAN AND POLITICAL GROUPS CAN DO THAT. SO I'D REALLY MUCH TAKE A WOMEN LEAGUE OF VOTERS STANCE WHERE IT'S LIKE "HERE ARE THE FACTS," INSTEAD OF GOING INTO "HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING." SO I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW. I HEAR WHAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE IS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT -- THAT IS WHAT THE BUDGET BOOK IS FOR. AND I THINK WE NEED TO POSSIBLY DO WORKSHOPS WHERE IF PEOPLE WANT TO DIG IN AND FIND OUT BUDGET-WISE AND WE CAN START WORKING WITH OUR LENDERS AND OUR BANKS TO REALLY DIG INTO WHAT AM I SPENDING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT TO TRY AND CAPTURE [00:20:04] THAT IN ONE STATEMENT, I THINK, IS -- ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PROGRAM THAT IF I TYPE IN MY PROPERTY TAX BILL AND MY SOLID WASTE FEE, I GET THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO ANY MORE THAN THESE ITEMS BECAUSE, AGAIN, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL DECISION ON HOW YOU SPEND YOUR EXTRA INCOME. AND WE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGING THAT. SO -- AND THEN I DO HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE'RE LIKE, OH, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SAVING. THAT -- THAT SEEMS PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE I WOULD BE LIKE THAT'S NOT SAVING ME MONEY. I DO AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE -- THE PROGRAMMING WE'RE DOING IS IDENTIFYING WHAT PROGRAMMING WE'RE DOING, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET BOOK, WE HAVE A WEBSITE, MAYBE WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND DO WORKSHOPS AND WORK WITH OUR BANKS ON HOW THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING. BUT TO ASK THE CITY TO DO THAT FOR EACH RESIDENT IS A LITTLE -- IS A LITTLE MUCH, AND TO SAY ANYTHING SUBJECTIVE LIKE "LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SAVING, LOOK AT WHAT YOU COULD BE SPENDING,," I DON'T THINK IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILMAN? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MEETING AND INCORPORATING AND SHOWING US WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I AGREE WITH BOTH THE MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN ABOUT SHOWING FOLK WHERE THIS MONEY IS GOING TO, AND I THINK THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS THE GRAPH THAT WE SEE EVERY YEAR THAT SAYS -- THE PIE CHART THAT SAYS THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS IS PARKS, THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS AND IT BREAKS DOWN. SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN MAYBE A QR CODE THAT CAN TAKE PEOPLE TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE WHERE THEY CAN LOOK AT THE -- LOOK AT THE FULL BUDGET DOCUMENT OR A SUMMARY OR PRESENTATIONS, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO LOOK AT FROM THERE. I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, BOTH FOR COUNCILMAN AND FOR STAFF. SO WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST -- BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE, IS IT ADOPTING EACH YEAR THIS STATEMENT AS AN ORDINANCE OR SIMILAR TO THE BUDGET ORDINANCE OR IS IT ADOPTING A POLICY THAT IS ORDINANCE THAT STATES THAT WE ALWAYS DO A TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT? >> WHYTE: YEAH, I THINK IN THE CCR, I PUT AN ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE AN ORDINANCE, JUST SOMETHING WHERE IT'S OUR POLICY THAT EVERY YEAR WE WILL PUBLISH THIS. >> WALSH: AND, COUNCILMAN, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THAT WAS IN FREDDY'S PRESENTATION. WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS A COUNCIL ACTION, A RESOLUTION, THAT WOULD ADOPT THIS AND THAT WE WOULD START INCORPORATING INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS NEXT YEAR. SO IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL ACTION. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. I AM -- THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WOULD SAY AT A B SESSION, SO I'D MOVE TO SEND THIS TO A FUTURE B SESSION, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN IMMEDIATE ONE, THERE'S AMPLE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS -- I GUESS NOT THAT AMPLE, SO I'LL MOVE TO SEND THIS ITEM TO A B SESSION. >> MAYOR JONES: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO A B SESSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> VIAGRAN: ANDY -- >> MAYOR JONES: GO AHEAD. >> VIAGRAN: ANDY, WOULD IT BE BETTER B SESSION OR EXECUTIVE SESSION, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TERM "SAVINGS" AS WE PUT THAT FORWARD. HOW DO WE PROVE THAT. >> SEGOVIA: COUNCILWOMAN, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION AT THE B SESSION, IN TERMS OF WHAT INFORMATION WE WOULD WANT TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC AND IN EXEC SESSION, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT PARAMETERS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WITH RESPECT TO ELECTION LAWS, ET CETERA. >> MAYOR JONES: IN THAT B SESSION, WE CAN TAKE IT TO EXEC SESSION. >> VIAGRAN: OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> MAYOR JONES: SOUNDS GOOD. COUNCILMAN? >> MUNGIA: YEAH, ONE LAST QUESTION BECAUSE MY COUNCIL COG LEAGUE BROUGHT IT UP. ERIK HOW MANY TIMES IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE WE REDUCED THE TAX RATE? >> WALSH: OH, COUNCILMAN, PROBABLY IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, 24 YEARS, FOUR TIMES. >> MUNGIA: FOUR TIMES. OKAY. JUST TO SHOW THAT THAT IS -- THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAVING PEOPLE MONEY, BUT THAT'S US FOREGOING MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE COLLECTED, WHICH I THINK COUNCILMAN WHYTE AND SOME OTHER FOLKS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF HIS REQUEST, NUMBER ONE, PROPERTY TAX COMPARISON, ESTIMATED PROPOSED EFFECTIVE AND ROLLBACK CHANGES AND IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS, I WANTED TO SAY, I DIDN'T SAY SAVING, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO SAVE MONEY NECESSARILY. BECAUSE YOU COULD INCREASE YOUR SOLID WASTE CART AND PAY MORE AND SAVE A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR [00:25:04] TAX BILL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE REDUCE OUR TAX RATES, WE SHOULD LET VOTERS KNOW -- WE SHOULD LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IN THE TAX STATEMENT, THAT WE ARE FOREGOING X AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY REDUCING THAT. THAT'S NOT A POLITICAL THING, I THINK THAT'S JUST A FACT OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT SITUATION. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION AT A B SESSION. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILMAN? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. AND TOO THAT POINT, I THINK EVEN THIS LITTLE MILD CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS IDEA HERE DEMONSTRATES A NEED FOR DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN BETWEEN ALL OF COUNCIL. I ALSO THINK MAYBE OTHER IDEAS WOULD COME ABOUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO INCLUDE WHAT IS THE AVERAGE STATE TAX BILL AND COUNTY TAX BILL SO THAT FOLK UNDERSTAND IN THE BROADER PICTURE OF THINGS, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE PAYING TO THE CITY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TO THE STATE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TO THE COUNTY. BUT WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MY COLLEAGUE'S FEEDBACK ON THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: YEP. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS TO A B SESSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> MAYOR JONES: OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. >> SHANNON: GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. I'M MIKE SHANNON I'M DIRECT TOUR OF THE CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT. FKS I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CCR TO THE SAN ANTONIO TRADES ADVISORY BOARD OR THE CREATION OF ONE. YOU ASKED US TO DO A LITTLE WORK AND BRING BACK SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MODIFIED AND WE HAVE. SO JUST TO -- I WON'T SAY IT -- OR MAYBE I WILL, JUST TO LEVEL SET, GOING BACK, THIS WAS A -- THIS WAS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FROM COUNCIL DISTRICTS 5 AND 2 BACK IN APRIL, AND IT LOOKS FOR US AS A CITY TO CREATE A TRADES ADVISORY BOARD THAT CAN PROVIDE SOME INPUT, RECOMMENDATIONS, IN AN ADVISORY SCA PASSTY FOR CITY PROJECTS, POLICIES, WORKFORCE POLICIES AND REALLY ENSURING FAIR WAGES, PRIORITIZE LOCAL WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE CCR. THIS WAS DISDOESED LAST MONTH. IT ALSO LOOKING FOR US TO LAUNCH A ONE-YEAR PILOT PROGRAM FOCUSING ON CITY-FUNDED CONSTRUCTION, CREATE A PUBLIC COMPLIANCE DASHBOARD WHICH TRACKS SOME OF THIS MOVING FORWARD SO WE CAN BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE CITY PROJECTS. SO THAT WAS ALL DISCUSSED. THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS LAST MONTH THAT HAD SOME CONCERNING LANGUAGE IN THE CCR THAT CAUSED A LOT OF DISCUSSION, SO IT WAS CONTINUED LAST MONTH. ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH YOU, OR THE RED LINE VERSION OF AN ATTACHMENT A. THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CCR, AND IT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO MODIFY KIND OF THE STRUCTURE AND MEMBERSHIP IN CHARGE OF THIS POTENTIAL TRADES ADVISORY BOARD TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ADVISORY ONLY. SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, I THINK, THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT IT MAY BE AGAINST CITY CHARTER, NOT SURE IF THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF IT FROM THE COUNCILMEMBERS. I THINK THEY DECLARED IT WASN'T, SO WE HAVE PROPOSED WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE A MODIFIED VERSION OF THI COULD AD LOOK LIKE, TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT AS POSTED. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR NOW, THIS WOULD BE AN ADVISORY BOARD, LIKE MANY OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT WE WORK WITH EACH MONTH OR QUARTER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET AND SO WITH THAT CLARIFICATION AND THE NEW REVISED ATTACHMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS REFERRING THIS TO THE ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. SO AT THAT COMMITTEE WE CAN WORK TO FURTHER ESTABLISH MAYBE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP, VERY DIVERSE, THAT CAN LOOK AT THIS AND DEVELOP A TRADES ADVISORY BOARD AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AND AS SHOWN THERE, THE CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD BE THE LEAD. CERTAINLY WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, FINANCE AND OTHERS ON THIS, BUT BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR JONES: GO AHEAD, ANDY. >> SEGOVIA: WE DID SHARE THE CHANGES WITH COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S OFFICE. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH THEM. I THINK THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGES YOU MADE. >> MAYOR JONES: I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE RED LINE, ANDY, YOUR OFFICE, BASED ON MY REQUEST LAST WEEK THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST HAD A INITIAL LEGAL REVIEW. AS YOU AND I DISCUSSED, THOUGH, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ENSURE THERE'S CLARITY ON THE TERMS AND EVERYONE IS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE MEAN, NOT ONLY, OF COURSE, IN LINE WITH LAW, BUT ALSO JUST INTER SUBJECTIVITY HERE. I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE THE -- OBVIOUSLY BOTH SPONSORS ARE HERE AS WELL THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO IT, SO LET ME RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE ROD FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO. OH, OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, IF YOU WANT TO [00:30:03] GO FIRST. GO AHEAD. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD MORNING, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE REVISED SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TRADES ADVISORY BOARD. I WAS CHUCKLING IN THE BACK, BECAUSE MIKE CAN'T ESCAPE THESE COMMITTEES THAT WE KEEP, SO WE KNOW IT WILL BE IN GOOD HANDS WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION. THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO BUILD THIS CITY AND MAINTAIN THIS CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE DESERVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND I LOOK FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH THE EWDC COMMITTEE AND MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO ENSURE THIS CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKING ON THE EDITS. I KNOW THIS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE IT GETS TO COMMITTEE SO IT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY CHARTER AND STATE LAW. AND I'M GRATEFUL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILMAN. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I'LL BE VERY SHORT. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALWAYS SEEK TO INCLUDE THOSE WHO BUILD OUR CITY AND KEEP OUR CITY MOVING AND ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN MOVING OUR COMMUNITY FORWARD. AND EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO, I'M EXCITED FOR THIS TO COME TO FRUITION AS COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO SAID, AND I IMAGINE THAT IT WILL BE A VERY BRIEF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND EVEN SMALLER DISCUSSION, HOPEFULLY, AND THEN IT WILL COME TO COUNCIL. BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, I MOVE TO SEND THE ITEM TO ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. >> SECOND. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE IT. BEFORE WE DO THAT, THOUGH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY, WE DID RECEIVE AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM -- LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT, FROM SEVERAL TRADE ORGANIZATIONS WE HEARD FROM ONE OF THEIR LEADERS HERE TODAY, AND MAKING SURE THAT CERTAINLY WE'RE, OOSK, ADHERING TO THE LAW, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING A FULLSOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WAGES AND LABOR PRACTICES AS WE ALL TRY TO DO IS REDUCE POVERTY AND MAKE OUR PROCESS AS COMPETITIVE AS POSSIBLE. ANDY, JUST FOR THIS BODY'S EDIFICATION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT KIND OF THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE INITIAL TRADES ADVISORY BOARD, AND I ASK BECAUSE THEIR COMMUNICATION TO US REFERENCES A LETTER FROM APRIL 2025 THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY AWARENESS OF, AND SO THE -- THERE'S SOME -- ALL THAT TO SAY THERE'S SOME HISTORY HERE THAT WE MAY NOT ALL BE SUPER FAMILIAR WITH, GO AHOED, ANDY, DO YOU HAVE -- >> SEGOVIA: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF EITHER THE LETTER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO EVEN FURTHER BACK. >> SHANNON: I MIGHT ADD SOME CLARIFICATION TO THAT. >> MAYOR JONES: GO AHEAD. >> SHANNON: WHEN THIS ORIGINAL CCR CAME OUT, THE ORGANIZATIONS ISSUED A LETTER BACK IN APRIL WITH SOME COMMENTS ABOUT IT AND, YOU KNOW, SHARE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD OR SOME CONCERNS THEY HAD. I THINK -- AND YOU CAN ASK MICHELLE, BUT I THINK MICHELLE IS SAYING THEY'VE UPDATED THAT LETTER BASED ON WHAT I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAN WE DID IN APRIL, SO... I THINK IT'S JUST AN UPDATED VERSION OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS AS WE LOOK AT THIS. >> MAYOR JONES: SURE. OBLG. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> YEAH. >> MAYOR JONES: I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL WHEN THAT MOVES FORWARD, JUST TO EDIFICATION OF THE ECONOMIC WORKFORCE COUNCIL, SO THEY ALSO HAVE THAT AS IT IS A NEW COUNCIL. THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THIS ORIGINAL TRADES ADVISORY BOARD LARGELY FOCUSED AROUND ORGANIZED LABOR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. ANDY, IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING US FROM HAVING A NARROWER FOCUS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL FOUR MEMBERS OUTLINED IN THE -- EVEN IF YO IN YOUR RED LINED VERSION. >> SEGOVIA: MAYOR, BECAUSE IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE COUNCIL AS TO THE MEMBERSHIP AND SCOPE AS TO WHAT THE BOARD'S GOING TO LOOK AT. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. SO THERE IS NOTHING PREVENTING THERE FROM BEING AN ORGANIZED LABOR TRADES ADVISORY BOARD. >> SEGOVIA: NO, NOT AS DESCRIBED IN THE CCR AND THE ATTACHMENT. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. >> SEGOVIA: AS OF TODAY. >> MAYOR JONES: AS OF TODAY. OKAY. GOT IT. AND I THINK THAT'S -- AS WE TRY TO HAVE HOLISTIC CONVERSATIONS, THERE MAY ACTUALLY ALSO BE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN ELEVATE VOICES THAT HAVE NOT [00:35:03] TRADITIONALLY HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE, RIGHT? SO COUNCILWOMAN, I KNOW YOU LEAD THE ECONOMIC WORKFORCE AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, SO I KNOW YOU'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THIS CCR. OKAY. SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS TO THE ECONOMIC WORKFORCE COMMISSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE (AYE. OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE TO ECONOMIC WORKFORCE COMMISSION. . OKAY. ITEM 4 IS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY THE PREVIOUS DISTRICT TWO OR THE INTERIM ON IMPROVING OUTCOMES FOR THE HOUSELESS COMMUNITY. OVER TO YOU, MR. CARDONA. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M MARK CARMONA, I'M HERE TO SUBMIT THE CCR THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY DISTRICT TWO ON IMPROVING OUTCOMES FOR OUR HOUSELESS COMMUNITY. WE FEEL LIKE THE CCR ALIGNS WITH THE VALUES AND GOALS WITH OUR NEW DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY IN RELATION TO CREATING LONG-TERM PLAN FOR HOUSING, THE DEPARTMENT WILL LEAD THIS WORK BRINGING TOGETHER OUTREACH HOUSING, PREVENTION AND COORDINATION ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER TODAY, WE ARE HIGHLIGHTING A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN CASTILLO-ANGUIANO WHICH SEEKS TO RENEW STRATEGIES. ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE PATHWAYS OUT OF HOMELESSNESS THROUGH COLLABORATION, DATA-DRIVEN PLANNING AND BEST PRACTICE. SO BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025, YOU CAN SEE AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND, HOMELESSNESS AND ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS HAVE CONSISTENTLY RANKED AMONG THE TOP THREE CONCERNS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THE CITY MANAGER CREATE AD NEW DEPARTMENT OF HOMELESS SER SERVICES AND STRATEGY EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1ST, SO WE'RE A MONTH OLD. THIS IS OUR FIRST CCR, AND THE COUNCILMEMBER AT THE TIME ASKED TO EVALUATE THE FEASIBILITY OF STRATEGIES THAT IMPROVE OUTCOMES, SPECIFICALLY VERY LOW TO KNOW-BARRIER SHELTER TO EXPAND HOUSING OPTIONS, A DAY LABOR EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM MODELED AFTER DENVER DAY WORKS, AND A COST BENEFITS ANALYSIS OF CITY INVESTMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. WE FEEL LIKE THESE INITIATIVES ALIGN WITH OUR LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN TO DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY THAT IDENTIFIES OUR EXISTING CAPACITY, OUR GAPS AND OUR FUTURE NEEDS. THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WILL BE CONDUCTED WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND WILL MEASURE KEY OUTCOMES SUCH AS RESIDENTS HOUSED, PREVENTION IMPACT AND RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN AREAS LIKE PARTNER AGENCY FUNDING, ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENTS, RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND DIVERSION PROGRAMS. STAFF RECOMMENDS AT THIS TIME THAT THIS PLAN BE REFERRED TO THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE THIS IS INCORPORATED INTO OUR POLICIES MOVING FORWARD. AND THE HOMELESS AND STRATEGIES DEPARTMENT WOULD ACT AS THE LEAD ON THIS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: IS THERE A MOATIONZ AND A SECOND SO WE MAY BEGIN DISCUSSION. >> THAT. YEAH. PREVIOUS COUNCILMAN, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> THREE MINUTES. AWESOME. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. AS WE KNOW, HOMELESSNESS CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF THE TOP THREE CONCERNS FOR SAN ANTONIANS AND WE HEAR IT EVERY SINGLE DAY, NOT JUST IN SURVEYS. IN 2024, IN THE PIT COUNT, IT SHOWED INCREASE OF 6.8 INCREASE, IT'S OUR CHRONIC HOUSELESS NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS WITH THE MOST COMPLEX AROUND PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE SLEEPING OUTSIDE. THAT TELLS US ONE THING. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT CAPACITY, IT'S ABOUT CONNECTION AND TRUST AND MEETING THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THESE RESIDENTS. EACH PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HAS A DIFFERENT STORY AND ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACHES JUST DON'T WORK. MANY OF OUR CHRONICALLY UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS HAVE DEEP DISTRUST OF SYSTEMS, AND THAT MAKES TRADITIONAL OUTREACH HARDER. AND THAT IS WHY I ASK THE CITY TO EXPLORE A NO-BARRIER SHELTER WHERE WE CAN HAVE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE STRUCTURE TO ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS. THIS CCR IS ABOUT ASKING HOW CAN WE TAILOR OUR APPROACH TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE LONG-TERM CHRONICALLY UNHOUSED RESIDENTS THAT WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR OUR CURRENT HOUSING SYSTEM AND HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPENTD IS ACTUALLY HELPING SOMEONE MOVE [00:40:01] FORWARD. AND SO MY PROPOSAL ALSO INTRODUCED THE DENVER DAY WORKS PROGRAM WHICH IS AN INNOVATIVE PROGRAM WITH REAL RESULTS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REPLICATE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. IT'S VERY SIMPLE AND POWERFUL. PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED CAN SHOW UP, WORK A CITY JOB FOR THE DAY, CLEANING PARKS, HELP WITH BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS AND GET PAID THAT SAME DAY. IT'S DIGNITY, NOT DEPENDENCY. AND IT HELPS PEOPLE EARN INCOME, RECONNECT WITH PURPOSE AND REBUILD TRUST. WE ALREADY HAVE THE PARTNERS RIGHT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WHO WOULD MAKE THIS POSSIBLE, LIKE CENTRO OR GOODWILL, SAMMINISTRIES OR WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS ALAMO. THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW TO ENGAGE WITH THIS COMMUNITY AND IF WE CONNECT THEM WITH DEPARTMENTS LIKE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS, WE WOULD -- WE COULD CREATE DAY LABOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT IMPROVE OUR CITY WHILE GIVING PEOPLE A REAL SHOT AT STABILITY. PROGRAMS LIKE DENVER'S HAVE PROVEN RESULTS AND OVER HALF OF THEIR PARTICIPANTS MOVED INTO LONGER-TERM JOBS OR HOUSING SUPPORT, AND SO IMAGINE WHAT THAT COULD MEAN HERE. THIS CCR ALSO ASKS FOR A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF HOW WE CURRENTLY INVEST OUR RESOURCES. RIGHT NOW, A BIG PORTION OF OUR BUDGET GOES TOWARDS ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT BUT EACH SWEEP COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND OFTEN PUSHES PEOPLE FURTHER INTO CRISIS. THOSE SAME FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR EVICTION PREVICK SHUN OR HOUSING NAVIGATION WHICH KEEPS PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS TO BEGIN WITH. A LOOK AT HOW MUCH IMPACT WE GET PER DOLLAR, WHO'S HOUSED AND WHO'S PREVENTED FROM BECOMING UNHOUSED WOULD HELP US MAKE MORE SMARTER, COMPASSIONATE CHOICES WITH THE MONEY WE ALREADY HAVE. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT MOLESY, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE -- POLICY, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE, WE CAN'T JUST ARREST OR SWEEP OUR WAY OUT OF HOMELESSNESS, BUT WE CAN INVEST IN STRATEGIES THAT TREAT PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY, REBUILD TRUSTS AND CREATE REAL PATHWAYS HOME. BY EXPLORING LOW BARRIER OPTIONS, COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS WHAT'S REALLY WORKING AND WE CAN MOVE FROM MANAGING HOMELESSNESS TO ACTUALLY REDUCING IT. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR -- >> MAYOR JONES: YEP. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN, GO AHEAD. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVEN'T FORMALLY GOTTEN TO THANK COUNCILMAN CASTILLO-ANGUIANO FOR HIS SERVICE DURING MY PARENTAL LEAVE. I'VE WATCHED ALMOST EVERY SESSION. >> MAYOR JONES: DID YOU WATCH THE NINE HOUR ONE? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I DID NOT WATCH THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT NINE-HOUR ONE, BUT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WE'VE IMN IN THE SAME ROOM FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IT'S EVIDENT TO EVERYONE, WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON, BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD, AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DAY THAT WE DID OUR INTERVIEWS FOR THE APPOINTMENT AND HAD OUR DISCUSSION AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- OF COURSE, YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE SINCE -- IT'S BEEN LIKE NINE, 10 YEARS AT THIS POINT. BUT A BIG PART OF WHY YOU WERE APPOINTED IS BECAUSE OF YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH OUR UNHOUSED COMMUNITY AND THE EXPERTISE THAT YOU BRING THERE AND THAT GAP THAT HAS EXISTED IN CITY COUNCIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'LL YIELD -- OR DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGING YOU IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM TODAY. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILWOMAN? >> VIAGRAN: YEAH, THANK YOU. SO UNDER THE DAY LABOR PROGRAM ON THE NEW HOMELESS SERVICES AND STRATEGIES DEPARTMENT, MARK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING THIS TO EWDC TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP WITH THIS? I KNOW WE WANT TO TAKE IT FOR PLANNING IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING STATS, BUT THE DENVER DAY WORKS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SURE MAYBE SHOULD COME TO EWDC AND LOOK AT THE -- BECAUSE I DON'T SIT ON PLANNING. MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. IF WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING GO -- IF WE CAN DO THE DAY WORK, DAY LABOR PROGRAM BEFORE WE DO THE HOUSING PORTION, I'D BE WILLING TO SEE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKS BETTER TO WORK ON ONE TRACK OR WORK PARALLEL ON TWO TRACKS. >> SO I CAN TELL YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT ITEMS 1 AND 3 FIT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, THE LONG-TERM STRATEGY, SHELTER TO HOUSING, COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS ALL THE WORK THAT THE DEPARTMENTS -- THAT'S THE STRATEGY PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO THE SECOND PIECE IS REALLY AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL WHAT TO DO. BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING. SO HOWEVER YOU ALL DECIDE TO KIND OF BREAK THAT UP OR WANT TO WORK THAT, WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> VIAGRAN: JUST BECAUSE I FEEL THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC/PRIVATE IS THERE WITHIN -- WITHIN THAT AND EWDC, BUT IF WE WANT TO TAKE THIS TO PLANNING FIRST AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD -- I COULD WATCH AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN'T MOVE IT OVER TO [00:45:02] EWDC. I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO AG G AGENDIZE, BUT I WOULD LIKE BY BEGINNING MARCH TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS, BECAUSE I WANT THE DAY -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS DAY LABOR PROGRAM START IN THE SPRING. >> OKAY. >> VIAGRAN: AND WHEN THE WEATHER GETS BET TIR. COUNCILMAN, WE'RE ON THE SAME TRACK. WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR PREBRIEF, IT WAS CLEAR THAT 1 AND 3 FITS NICELY WITH CARMONA'S OFFICE, BUT THE DAY LABOR VERY SQUARELY I THINK FITS IN YOURS, AND I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A NEED TO WAIT, TO SEQUENCE IN IT, I THINK YOU CAN DO THOSE THINGS IN PARALLEL, SO I WAS GOING TO AMEND AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS WORKED AT THE SAME TIME. SO I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. COUNCILMAN? >> ALSO SAY, SUPPORT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ON AT YOUR COMMITTEE. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, WORK WITH UNHOUSED IS A VERY SPECIAL POPULATION, THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE YOUR TYPICAL WSA OR READY TO WORK PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE UNHOUSED POPULATION FOR CERTAIN JOBS THAT THEY CAN HAVE, TRANSPORTATION, SOME FOLKS PROBABLY DON'T EVEN HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT, SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF THEM WORKING ON THAT, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR TYPICAL JOBS WORK PROGRAM THAT WE DO, GIVEN THE NATURE AND THE SITUATION OF MANY OF OUR UNHOUSED FAMILIES. SO TOTALLY WITHOUT A DOUBT, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN YOUR COMMITTEE, I SUPPORT THAT, HAVE THE REST KIND OF PCDC, BUT ULTIMATELY PCDC IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT JOBS PROGRAM ANYWAY. SO THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. >> MAYOR JONES: AND I THINK THERE'S -- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CARMONA'S GOING TO LEAD THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A CRITICAL ROLE FOR CLAUDE TO PLAY AND FOR MELANIE TO PLAY AND THOSE TEAMS TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE, IN FACT, READY TO WORK, NOT THE PROGRAM, BUT -- RIGHT, CAN ACTUALLY -- THIS CAN BE AFFECTED THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO. SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THESE THINGS TO WORK IN PARALLEL AND THERE TO BE SOME SYNERGY ACROSS YOUR COMMITTEES AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE I DON'T THINK IS ACTUALLY TOO AGGRESSIVE. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? >> VIAGRAN: DO WE NEED TO MAKE A FORMAL AMENDMENT TO SEND IT TO BOTH COMMITTEES? NO? >> SEGOVIA: NO. YOU CAN VOTE AS THE RECOMMENDATION IS ARTICULATED BY THE MAYOR SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN TWO DIFFERENT STEPS. >> YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT. >> VIAGRAN: I MOVE THAT WE MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS ARTICULATED BY THE MAYOR WITH THE DIRECTION ARTICULATED BY THE MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE (AYES). >> MAYOR JONES: OPPOSED? OKAY. SO THE FIRST AND THE THIRD WILL MOVE TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THE DAY LABOR PROGRAM WILL MOVE TO ECONOMIC WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THOSE WERE ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. THE TIME IS NOW 10:50 AND THIS MEETING IS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.