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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16TH, 2019.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? HERE.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
UM, EDWARD, COULD YOU PLEASE RUN THE VIDEO? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE, SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIRE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH CITIZENS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATION, THE POWER OF PRESERVATION, IS HOLDING ITS ANNUAL PROMENADE THIS TH OR NEXT THURSDAY, UM, OCTOBER 24TH, 2019.
UM, THERE'S STILL TABLES AND TICKETS AVAILABLE.
UM, THIS YEAR'S PARTY THEME IS THE SITCOM PROM, WHICH IS BASED ON THE 1911 HERMAN SONS BUILDING.
UM, IT WAS DESIGNED BY AND BUILT BY, UM, ARCHITECT LEO DEMAN IN G***O CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IT'S LISTED ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PLACES, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UM, DOWNTOWN NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT EVENT AND TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE@POWERPRESERVATION.ORG.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THE HISTORIC RUN CREW.
UM, IT'S A EAST SIDE CEMETERIES TOUR TAKING PLACE ON SATURDAY, THE SATURDAY OCTOBER 19TH.
UM, WE ARE MEETING AT FAIRCHILD PARK AT 9:00 AM UM, REGISTRATION IS, UH, AVAILABLE ON SA PRESERVATION.COM.
IT'S JUST $10, UM, AND YOU GET A T-SHIRT AND IT'S A FUN EDUCATIONAL EVENT.
UM, SO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UM, 29, UH, 2019, UH, SCHEDULE OF HEARINGS.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION DEADLINES, SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, WE'VE ALREADY NOTATED IT ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.
UM, MOVING UP THE APPLICATION DEADLINE FOR THE DECEMBER 4TH H C R C HEARING FROM NOVEMBER 15TH TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
AND SO WE DO NEED ACTION IN ORDER TO, UM, AMEND THAT.
AND IS IT THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY? IS THAT, UH, PARTLY WHAT'S IMPACTING THIS SCHEDULE? YES.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR AMENDING THE, UH, DEADLINE SCHEDULE, UH, FOR THE DECEMBER 4TH HEARING TO MOVE IT FROM NOVEMBER 15TH TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, SO IF YOU'LL, UH, DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN NOW.
UM, WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM, UM, ON CONSENT
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FOR A ITEMS, UM, IT'S CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 8 5 8 25 EAST LOCUS.AND SO WE CAN TAKE A MOTION FOR THAT ITEM NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEM A ONE, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MOTION PASSES, YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 25 EAST LOCUS.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE YARD SIGNED, PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 1915 BROADWAY, LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAID DISTRICT TWO.
UH, THERE ARE THREE MAIN ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME.
I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE.
I'LL JUST READ THE RECOMMENDATION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
REGARDING, REGARDING ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ONLY INSTALL ONE SIGN ABOVE THE CANOPY, EITHER A WALL SIGN AS PROPOSED OR VERTICALLY ORIENTED BLADE SIGN AS WAS PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED.
AND TWO, THAT THE, THAT ALL INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS FEATURE METAL FACES AS TO NOT PRODUCE A GLARE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ONLY LETTERING AND LOGOS BE ILLUMINATED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CANOPY SIGNS AS AND HANGING SIGNS WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED STIPULATIONS REGARDING LIGHTING AND MATERIALS.
THE SECOND STIPULATION, THE APPLICANT HAS ADJUSTED ALL SIGNAGE TO MEET THOSE AND THE APPLICANT HAS AN UPDATED PACKAGE IN REGARDS TO THE FIRST STIPULATION.
THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
I REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP GROUP, UH, FOR THE, UH, SIGNAGE AS ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT.
SO THE MAIN POINT OF DISCUSSION HERE ARE THE BUILDING SIGNS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, UH, FROM THE INITIAL, UH, SUBMITTAL THAT WE SENT IN, UM, WHICH WAS QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND IT HAD PLASTIC FACES ON THE FRONT OF THE LETTERS THAT WERE ILLUMINATED, UH, LIKE A TRADITIONAL CHANNEL LETTER THAT YOU'LL SEE AROUND TOWN.
UM, SO WITH OUR REVISED PROPOSAL, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE, UH, DECREASED THE SIZE DRAMATICALLY.
SO, UH, EACH SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS ON EACH FACADE OF THE BUILDING, THE SOUTH FACADE AND THE EAST FACADE IS 50 SQUARE FEET.
AND WE'VE ALSO, UH, TAKEN THOSE CHANNEL LETTERS AND WE'VE MADE THE FRONTS OF THOSE LETTERS, UM, SOLID METAL.
UM, AND WE WILL STAND THOSE LETTERS OFF SO THAT THEY HAVE A HALO EFFECT OF LIGHT COMING OUT THE BACK, UM, TO GIVE IT MORE OF KIND OF A, A MODERN LOOK, IF YOU WILL.
UM, WE, WE FEEL THAT, UH, AND GOING BACK TO, UH, C V S CORPORATE AND MY CONTACTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY STRONGLY FEEL THAT HAVING SIGNAGE ON BOTH FACADES OF THIS BUILDING VERSUS JUST ONE BLADE SIGN IS CRUCIAL FOR, UM, FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND PASSERBY TRAFFIC.
UH, WE LOOKED AT THE BLADE SIGN OPTION AND TO FIT, YOU KNOW, 12 CHARACTERS IN A VERTICAL COURT ORIENTED MANNER ON A BLADE SIGN THAT READS C V S PHARMACY WITH THEIR LOGO ON TOP, IT WOULD BECOME SO SMALL AND SOMEWHAT CONVOLUTED THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WOULD APPROPRIATELY REFLECT THE BRAND, UM, THEIR BRAND STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE, UM, EVERY PLACE ELSE.
UH, SO WE HAVE MADE SOME, UH, SOME, SOME MAJOR REVISIONS, WE THINK TO DECREASE THE SIZE TO, UH, GIVE IT A HALO LIT EFFECT.
BUT, UH, WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO ALLOW US TO PUT A SEPARATE SET OF, UH, CHANNEL LETTERS ON EACH FACADE, STILL REQUESTING THE OTHER SIGNAGE UNDER THE CANOPY AND IN THE WIN, UH, IN THE WINDOWS.
SO IN THE WINDOWS WE TOOK THAT OUT, THERE WERE SOME HEART LOGOS THAT WOULD ILLUMINATE.
WE'VE, WE'VE REVIEWED, REMOVED THOSE ALTOGETHER.
UH, WE DO FILL THAT THE HANGING SIGNS UNDER THE CANOPY IS CRUCIAL TO PEDESTRIAN
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TRAFFIC.SINCE THOSE AWNINGS ARE THERE, YOU CAN'T REALLY LOOK UP IF YOU'RE WALKING UNDERNEATH AND SEE THE CHANNEL LETTERS UP HIGHER ON THE BUILDING.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THE HANGING SIGNS ARE CRUCIAL AS WELL.
AND I WILL NOTE STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE HANGING CANOPY SIGNS.
WE HAVE REVISED THOSE AS WELL.
UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE ILLUMINATED BOX.
UH, THE LETTERS THEMSELVES ONLY ILLUMINATE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TAKEN THAT RECOMMENDATION INTO ACCOUNT AND REVISED AS NEEDED.
SO WHEN YOU REVISED, UH, PACKAGE, THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL FOUR SIGNS WOULD BE 50 SQUARE FEET? NO, MA'AM.
IT'S EACH ONE OF THE, THE BUILDING SETS OF CHANNEL LETTERS WOULD BE 50 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE CHANNEL LETTERS UP HIGH ON THE BUILDING WOULD BE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
AND THE, THE HANGING SIGNS, EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE FIVE SQUARE FEET.
SO 10 SQUARE FEET TOTAL BRINGS US TO A GRAND TOTAL OF 110 SQUARE FEET.
AND ARE YOU STILL REQUESTING THE, UH, WALL MOUNTED SIGN THAT, UM, IT WAS A SMALLER SCALE, ONE THAT WAS CLOSE TO THE, THE, UH, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN THE, IN THE HANDICAP RAMP, UH, UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE, WE ARE, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT'S, THAT'S MAINLY FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT'S WALKING UNDERNEATH BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY COULD SEE, UH, THE BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNAGE IF THEY'RE WALKING BY.
I WILL NOTE, UM, IN STAFF'S FINDINGS, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, SIGN SS SIX, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN NOW.
UM, THE PARKING SIGNS, UM, THE RECEIVING ENTRANCE SIGN AND THEN, UM, KIND OF THIS WINDOW FILM, UM, STAFF HAS FOUND THOSE SIGNS TO BE INCIDENTAL.
THEY'LL DISPLAY HOURS, UM, THE TELEPHONE NUMBER AND THEN, UH, PROBABLY WHICH CREDIT CARDS ARE ACCEPTED.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE U D C IDENTIFIES AS INCIDENTAL AND AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THIS PACKAGE SINCE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ORIENTED TOWARD OR, UM, SIZE FOR AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC OUTSIDE OF THE IMMEDIATE SIDEWALK.
WOULD YOU REMOVE ONE OF THE HANGING UH, SIGNS ON THE PICTURE THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW RIGHT THERE, WHERE THE PARKING IS SINCE THAT'S NOT, UM, ANY PEDESTRIANS FROM BROADWAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE WALL SIGN.
I CAN SURE PROPOSE THAT TO MY CLIENT IF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO US ARE THE, THE BUILDING SIGNS UP TOP, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN SIGNS, WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NEEDED, BUT IF, IF THE COMPROMISE IS TO REMOVE THAT ONE HANGING SIGN, UH, BY THE, THE PARKING GARAGE TO GET THE WALL SIGNS, I, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WITH THEM THOUGH.
THE, THE VERTICAL, UM, BLADE SIGN THAT YOU GUYS REVIEWED AND, AND DECIDED WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IMAGES OF THAT, UH, MOCKUP THAT YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER? I, I DON'T, WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT TOGETHER A FULL MOCKUP.
UH, WE, WE DISCUSSED IT INTERNALLY.
WE DID SOME, SOME KIND OF ROUGH LAYOUTS WITH DESIGNERS, BUT WE DIDN'T DO A FULL PACKAGE.
UM, AND THAT WAS SHOT DOWN FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH, WITH OUR CLIENT.
UM, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T, WEREN'T GOING FOR THAT, UM, THAT DESIGN.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, ACCOMPLISHED PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY WITH OTHER PHARMACIES IN, IN HISTORIC AREAS.
I WOULD, UH, THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT ACTUAL DIRECTION TO GO.
BUT, UH, I JUST DON'T THINK WITH THE NEIGHBORING SIGNAGE THAT'S THERE, I I, I DON'T SEE BEING ABLE TO DO BOTH 50 SQUARE FOOT OPTIONS.
UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A COMPROMISE THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY FROM BOTH SIDES.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT THE BLADE SIGN WOULD BE YOUR OPTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE, IT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
I ASK STAFF ON STIPULATION ONE THAT YOU, UH, THAT YOU INSTALLED ONE SIGN ABOVE THE CANOPY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE SIGN NOT, WOULD YOU BE CORRECT.
SO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS EITHER THAT THE APPLICANT CHOOSE FROM ONE FACADE TO MOUNT, UM, THE WALL SIGN OR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A BLADE SIGN, UM, WHICH THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION HAD IMMEDIATELY AT THE CORNER, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTAIN ONE WALL SIGN AS LONG AS WE'RE WITHIN THE 50 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UP THERE RIGHT NOW IS EXACTLY 50 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME BACK TO PROPOSE IN OUR REVISED, UH, SUBMITTAL.
AND I WILL NOTE, UM, THIS IS SIMPLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SOMEWHAT APPLIED THAT 50 SQUARE FEET ON THEMSELVES, WHICH STAFF FINDS TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN WHAT PREVIOUSLY WAS PROPOSED.
UM, HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION COULD STEP OUTSIDE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AND RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT WAS LESS RESTRICTIVE OR
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MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.I THINK, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT C V SS IS.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING A BLADE SIGN AT THE CORNER WITH JUST C V S ON IT SO YOU COULD HAVE LARGER LETTERS? THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE, THE BRAND STANDARD.
UM, AND I, I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT AS OF TODAY.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITE ANSWER, BUT I, I DO KNOW THE, FROM THE CORPORATE STANDPOINT, THE BLADE SIGN IS, IS NOT THE, NOT THE OPTION THEY WANT TO GO WITH.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GO WITH A SIGNAGE ON EACH FACADE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD, IF WE WEREN'T ON A CORNER HERE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE ONE SIGN, IT WOULD BE 50 SQUARE FEET AND WE WOULD CALL IT GOOD, BUT, BUT SEEING HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN GRAYSON STREET HEADING EASTBOUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THAT EXTRA SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS ON THE SOUTH FACADE IS, IS CRUCIAL.
AND I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE BLADE SIGN WOULD SERVE ALL DIRECTIONS, RIGHT.
BUT WE JUST FEEL LIKE THE VISIBILITY OF THE BLADE SIGN AND THE OVERALL LOOK AS COMPARED TO OTHER STORES, UM, IT WOULDN'T ALLOW SOMEONE TO TAKE, TO LOOK AT THIS SIGN IN A SPLIT SECOND AND SAY, OH, THAT'S A C V S.
THEY'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND REALLY STUDY IT AND SAY, OH, OKAY, THAT READS C V S PHARMACY JUST IN A DIFFERENT PATTERN.
SO I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MCDONALD'S ARCHES, RIGHT? YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE IN A, IN A SPLIT SECOND.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE C V S BRAND STANDARD IS THEY WANT SOMEONE TO RECOGNIZE IT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT A, UM, A WALL SIGN ON BROADWAY AND A HANGING SIGN ON GRAYSON UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY? WELL, THAT THE HANGING SIGN YOU SEE THERE UNDER THE CANOPY, IT'S ONLY, I BELIEVE SIX INCHES TALL.
UM, AND THERE'S A TREE THERE AND, AND SO FOR, UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC DRIVING BY, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, UM, THE WAY THEY NEED TO, ESPECIALLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THAT AREA AND CROSSWALKS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN, NOTHING YOU WOULD COMING FROM BROADWAY ANYWAY, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT ONE WALL SIGN OR BLADE.
IT'S UP TO YOU ON THE BROADWAY SIDE.
AND, AND IF I CAN NOTE ONE MORE THING, WE HAVE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE CHANNEL LETTER SIGNS, WE HAVE TAKEN OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN AND BASICALLY CUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN HALF AND BROUGHT IT DOWN.
SO THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF THESE LETTERS, THE, THE LARGEST LETTER, THE LOGO IS TWO FEET, FOUR INCHES, WHICH IN THE SIGN WORLD, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIRLY SMALL.
WHENEVER YOU'RE A HUNDRED, 200 FEET AWAY DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIRLY SMALL SIGN AS IT IS IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SIGNAGE AS YOU'RE COMING EAST ON GRAYSON, UM, FOLLOW ON WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SUGGESTED IS A HANGING SIGN, UH, DELETE THE WALL SIGN, HAVE A HANGING SIGN UNDER THE CANOPY, BUT MOVE THAT TO THE FAR WEST INTO THE CANOPY, UH, NEXT TO THE PARKING GARAGE ENTRANCE SO THAT AS YOU'RE COMING EAST ON, UH, GRAYSON, YOU WOULD SEE THAT, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED BY THE TREE, UM, WOULD PROVIDE YOU SOME SIGNAGE ON, UH, GRAYSON AND, AND I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.
I JUST, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN, I CAN, I CAN SAY TO THAT IS, SO THE ENTIRE CABINET THAT HANGS DOWN FROM THAT CANOPY IS 10 INCHES TALL AND THE CHARACTERS ON THAT CABINET, THEY VARY IN HEIGHT FROM FOUR INCHES UP TO SIX INCHES.
THERE'S A MARGIN AROUND THERE.
SO AGAIN, AS YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG, UM, TO READ THAT IN A SPLIT SECOND TO LOOK OVER AND, AND SEE THAT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIRLY DIFFICULT.
I AGREE WITH OR TO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WERE SAYING, I LIVE ON THIS STREET, UM, GOING DOWN CRESSON IS MY DAILY COMMUTE, AND THE THE SIGN OR THE SIDE THAT I WOULD SEE WOULD BE THE BROADWAY SIDE.
EVEN COMING THROUGH, THROUGH BROADWAY GOING NORTH.
I THINK THE PROMINENT ONE WOULD BE ON BROADWAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I THINK ON BOTH, ON BOTH, UH, WALLS ON THE SOUTH AND ON THE WEST IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
BUT WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP AND, UM, MY COMMISSIONER ARE SAYING IS THAT FETZER IS THAT I DON'T SEE THE, THE NEED FOR THAT MASSING OF, OF, OF SIGNAGE ON BOTH WALLS WHEN FIRST OF YOUR CONCERN IS GRAYSON STREET, SPEEDWISE AND
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SPEEDWISE IS SLOWER, SO YOU'RE DRIVING SLOWER, YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE THE, THE, THE STREET DIFFERENT AS WAS BROADWAY WHERE YOU WOULD NEED SOMETHING BIGGER.WHEREAS IF YOU'RE WALKING, YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE IT DIFFERENTLY.
SO I, I JUST FEEL IT'S TOO, TOO MUCH SIGNAGE FOR THE, THE EXPERIENCE OR EXPERIENCE ON, ON GRAYSON.
SOMEONE LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? YEAH, I, I'LL, UH, MOTION TO, UH, NOT APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, UM, WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS ONE AND TWO.
IT'S, IT'S LABELED ONE AND ONE, BUT UH, WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT MEANS YOU CAN STILL DO THE BLADE SIGN, WHICH I THINK IS THE BEST OPTION, WHICH IS WHY THE PREVIOUS TENANT HAD THAT OPTION, UH, INSTALLED.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, PRESENT AN OPTION TO THEM TO SHOW THEM WHAT THAT COULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
THEY DID HAVE FIVE CHARACTERS IN THEIR NAME THOUGH, AND C V S HAS THREE WITH OF, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR PHARMACY UNDERNEATH.
UM, SO I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
CAN I JUST FRAME THE AMEND THAT, THAT BLA THE HANGING UH, SIGNS CAN BE RELOCATED PER AND JUST CONCUR WITH STAFF IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT MORE TO THE WEST, THE ONE ON, ON GRAYSON.
SO THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE WORK WITH STAFF ON, UH, FINAL LOCATIONS FOR HANGING BLADE SIGNS.
CAN THOSE BLADE SIGNS BE LARGER IN SIZE, COME BACK TO STAFF.
THEY CAN'T BE LARGER THAN SHOWN IN THIS APPLICATION TODAY.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, AS, AS PRESENTED IN THIS APPLICATION TODAY, BUT THE LOCATION WOULD BE ABLE TO BE RELOCATED PER STAFF.
AGENDA ITEM EIGHT THREE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 68 3 33 NORTH SANTA ROSA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM SITE AND LANDSCAPING WORK AT 3 33 NORTH SANTA ROSA.
THIS LOT IS ZONED DOWNTOWN AND IS LOCATED, OR EXCUSE ME, AND IT IS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE HISTORIC SANTA ROSA HOSPITAL.
THIS TIME THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING SCOPES OF WORK, INSTALL A GARDEN REFERRED TO AS THE PLAY GARDEN.
INSTALL A LANDSCAPE GARDEN REFERRED TO AS THE PRAYER GARDEN.
INSTALL A LANDSCAPE GARDEN REFERRED TO AS THE MEMORIAL GARDEN AND INSTALL A PERIMETER FENCE TO BE INSTALLED.
A TOP AND EXISTING RETAINING WALL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF, OF, OF ALL ITEMS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED FENCE NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, INCLUDING THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL.
TWO, THAT ANY SIGNAGE BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, STIPULATION THREE IS IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY AND STIPULATION FOUR.
ANY ANTICIPATED ENCROACH, ENCROACHMENT OR EXCAVATION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY MUST BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY PRIOR TO ANY ACTIVITY AT THE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTIFYING THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO FULFILL ALL LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.
I'M THE VP OF OPERATIONS FOR THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND COMING TODAY TO, UH, ACCEPT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SIX FOOT WALL.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT NOW, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE A TOTAL OF IT BEING SIX FOOT.
THE CONCERN IS TWOFOLD, ONE BEING ON, UH, THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE TO GET IN AND BE EASILY ABLE TO GET OVER THE FENCE.
UM, WE HAVE THIS ISSUE AND WE HAVE SECURITY GUARDS ON A REGULAR BASIS TRYING TO KEEP INTRUDERS OUT OF OUR, UH, PERIMETER AND WE FILL WITH THE RETAINING WALL THAT IS AROUND THREE FOOT TALL.
AND THEN HAVING A LIMIT OF THE THREE FOOT FENCE WILL ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO BE GETTING INSIDE THE PERIMETER OF OUR CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.
SO FROM THE ASPECT OF THE OWNER, WE ARE
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CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INSIDE OUR PERIMETER.WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT THE FENCE BE SIX FOOT ON TOP OF THE PERIMETER WALL AND THE PERIMETER WALL WILL BE LEVELED SO THAT IT IS EVEN GOING ACROSS.
AND I SAID THE CONCERN WAS TWOFOLD, IS ALSO ON THE INSIDE.
UM, AS WE HAVE FAMILIES AND GUESTS VISIT THE HOSPITAL, THE CONCERN OF HAVING SUCH A SHORT FENCE AND CHILDREN ON THE INSIDE, WHICH THAT WILL BE A GARDEN AREA FOR FAMILIES TO, UH, INSIDE, IS THAT CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS WHO MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY GO UNSUPERVISED CAN EASILY GET ON TOP OF THE SEMEN WALL, RETAINING WALL AND ACTUALLY EASILY GET OVER A FENCE AND POSSIBLY HAVE A, AN ACCIDENT.
OUR CONCERN IS BOTH FOR OUR PATIENTS, OUR STAFF, AND IN ADDITION FOR OUTSIDE, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE.
SO THE REQUEST WOULD BE JUST TO LEVEL OUT THE RETAINING WALL AND THEN PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP.
EDWARD, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE DOWN? UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE PAGE, PAGE 26 IN THE APPLICATION.
OKAY, SO THAT PLANTED AREA, THIS IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FENCE, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST THE, THE LANDSCAPED AREA THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IS THAT CORRECT? SORRY, I NEED THE ARCHITECT PROFESSIONAL
SO YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
MY NAME IS BRADY DIETER WITH THE OVERLAND PARTNERS, UH, THE ARCHITECT.
SO THIS IS NOT, UH, ALONG THE PERIMETER.
THIS IS INSIDE THE SITE ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, CLOSE TO AN AREA REFERRED TO AS A CULINARY GARDEN, UH, SHOWN IN THE OVERALL PLAN.
WOULD IT BE PLAN, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL SHEET, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS IS AN OVERALL PLAN AND SO ALONG HOUSTON STREET IS THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET THERE, SIR, ONCE THE WALL COMES DOWN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REQUESTING A NINE FOOT WALL, SIX PLUS THREE OR CORRECT.
WHAT IT'LL BE IS THE RETAINING WALL IS GONNA BE THE THREE FOOT THAT WE REQUIRE TO BE THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP, THE, THE DATUM OF THAT THREE FOOT IS ESTABLISHED WITH AN EXISTING WALL, CORRECT.
MUST KEEP THERE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE EXISTING WALL SHOULD REMAIN AND, AND WON'T BE TAKEN DOWN.
UM, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS IN THAT WALL THAT HAVE TO BE PATCHED AND THE HEIGHT WILL BE MATCHED THERE, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A CAST OF CONCRETE ON TOP TO LEVEL PORTIONS OF THAT WALL SO THAT THE, THE TOP OF THE FENCE IS, IS LEVEL.
SO THE, THE FENCE WILL, WILL GO ON TOP OF THE EXISTING WALL, BUT THEN THE INTERIOR WOULD BE SIX FEET, THE EXTERIOR WOULD BE NINE FEET.
WHY IS THE NEED FOR SIX ADDITIONAL, WHY CAN'T IT BE LESS? UH, AS HE WAS STATING, UH, FROM THE END? NO, NO, NO.
CAN IT BE LOWER RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE SIX FOOT JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT OF PEOPLE COMING BY.
OBVIOUSLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU CAN EASILY GET ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
SO IN ALL REALITY TO A PERSON TRYING TO GET IN IT'S SIX FOOT, ANYTHING LOWER I FEEL WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR SOMEBODY TO JUMP OVER.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU TURN AROUND, BUT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THAT SOMEBODY CAN YOU PUT IT SO FAR OUT THAT NOBODY CAN STAND ON THE RETAINING WALL OR HAS TO HAVE A GAP, SO IT'LL STILL HAVE THE BARS GOING DOWN TO WHERE YOU CAN GET IT FOOT IN.
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SO WE RAN THROUGH ALL THE DRILLS.I MEAN, NOTHING'S GONNA BE FOOLPROOF, BUT BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE REVIEWED, WE'VE HAD OUR SECURITY TEAM LOCALLY, IN ADDITION TO OUR SECURITY TEAM AT THE SYSTEM LEVEL COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WHICH ARE ALL MILITARY POLICE OFFICERS WITH EXPERIENCE SAID THEY WOULD RECOMMEND A SIX FOOT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON HOUSTON STREET THAT HAS A FENCE THAT HIGH? I'M NOT AWARE.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE THE ONLY CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL IN THE ARENA, SO ABLE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES SUPPORT.
EDWARD, COULD YOU FIND, UH, SHEET 25 AND LOOK AT THE SECTION THAT SHOWS THE NINE FOOT THERE? THERE'S AN UPDATED VERSION OF THIS DRAWING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT EARLIER THAT HAS THE DIMENSIONS ON IT.
LANDSCAPING INSIDE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE, UH, GRADED SO THAT IT'S, UM, FROM FINISHED GRADE TO TOP OF FENCE.
AGAIN, COMING FROM THE SECURITY CONCERN, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE IN THE MORNINGS, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY IN THE PARK AREA, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, HOMELESS THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS TO TRY AND RAMP UP SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HELP SUPPORT THE HOMELESS.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOTHING'S FOOLPROOF AND THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE STILL FORESEE THERE BEING SOME THINGS ON THE ROAD.
YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH THAT CONCERN, HAVING BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON HOUSTON STREET RECENTLY AND BEING THERE AT ALL TIMES OF DAY AND NIGHT, UH, DOING SOME PHOTOGRAPHY WORK AND, UM, THAT IS, UH, A POPULAR, UH, PATHWAY GOING TO THE MULTIMODAL AND TO HAVEN FOR HOPE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, A LOT OF, UH, SORT OF, UH, UH, PEOPLE OF CONCERN THAT GO BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THERE AS WELL AS, UH, HANG OUT AT THE, UH, THE PARK.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE WIDTH OF THAT SIDEWALK IS, IS PRETTY NARROW THERE.
AND TO HAVE A NINE, NINE FOOT BARRIER UP AGAINST IT WOULD FEEL A LITTLE, I THINK A LITTLE INTIMIDATING TO JUST THE AVERAGE, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKING BY.
UM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THAT AT LEAST VISUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE FRIENDLY? UH, FROM A LANDSCAPING STANDPOINT? I WOULD SAY FROM THE ASPECT OF THE TION OF THE GARDENS, THAT'S GONNA LOOK IMMACULATE.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY REDONE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, UH, A LOT OF GROUPS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET EVERYBODY'S REQUIREMENTS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WALKING, THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE THREE FOOT, THE RETAINING WALL YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE DIRECTLY INTO THE GARDENS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK OF ART FOR OUR FAMILIES AND PATIENTS.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT I KNOW IS A MUCH GREATER CONSIDERATION, IT'S JUST A QUESTION, RIGHT? HAD Y'ALL THOUGHT OF BREAKING UP THAT DISTANCE WITH INS AND OUTS SO THAT, SO THAT THE, WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY AT NINE FEET DOESN'T TOWER OVER YOU? I KNOW YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGES ARE LIMITED, RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, THIS PROJECT HAS A, A NICE LONG HISTORY.
UM, AND BASICALLY WE FOUND THAT ON THE SITE, OUR ARCHEOLOGY ARCHEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS AND THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STICK WITH THE EXISTING WALL AS A, AS A MOUNTING POINT FOR THE FENCE.
SO WE, OUR INITIAL DESIGN DID HAVE A, THE WALL BUMPED IN AND OVER ON THE WEST SIDE THE WALL DROPS DOWN AND IS ONLY ABOUT A FOOT TALL.
AND THERE USED TO BE A DRIVEWAY AND A PARKING LOT THERE.
AND WHERE THAT, YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THOSE VEHICLES UNDER THE MURAL WHERE THE WALL, UH, CHANGES LEVELS, WE PROPOSED AT THAT BREAK TO PUSH THE WALL BACK AND WE WERE GONNA PLANT TREES ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
HOWEVER, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RETAINING WALL IS NOT FEASIBLE ON THE SITE, AND SO WE'RE GONNA JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT LOWER RETAINING WALL, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD NEW FOOTINGS AND EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUBGRADE.
UH, SO THAT'S A RESTRICTION AND UH, IT'S A VERY, UH, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS IN, IN WHAT WE CAN DO ON THIS.
OKAY, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, WITH THE ADJUSTMENT OF STAFF STIPULATION TO READ OR THE ADJUSTMENT TO BE, UH, SIX FOOT
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FROM, UM, THE INTERIOR GRADE OR AS PRESENTED IN THE REVISED DRAWING.UM, SO ESSENTIALLY IT BEING OKAY TO DO THE SIX FEET FENCE FROM THE TOP OF THE CAP AS PRESENTED.
SO, BUT WITH, BUT WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, JUST, JUST FOR THE BIT OF, UM, HAVING MEAN A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, UM, THE, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS ON THE PART OF THE, THE U D C AND ALL THAT, JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT PIECE OF THE HISTORY THERE IS.
WE HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR CITY ARCHEOLOGIST HE IS, IT WOULD BE BEST IF MATT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
THE PROPERTY IS A HISTORIC CEMETERY AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL AS THERE ARE, UH, STATE LAWS THAT PROTECT, UH, IMPACTS TO HUMAN REMAINS.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN READ IN THE TEXT, THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE ADDRESSED NOW.
NOW IS IT HUMAN REMAINS OR IS IT RELEVANT TO IT BEING BURIAL GROUND? OR CAN, CAN YOU, THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IN RESPECT TO THE INVENTORY AT ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE AND CEMETERIES AND THE U D C, UM, PROTECT, UH, UH, HUMAN BURIALS AND REFERENCE THE EXISTING STATE LAW, THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NOT BREAKING IN ON THE, ON THE FOUNDATION LINE AND, AND STAYING AWAY FROM DISTURBING, UH, SAY PREVIOUSLY UNDISTURBED ENVIRONMENTS AND THAT THE, THE, THE CURB LINE IS, IS EXISTING.
SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT APPROPRIATE TO BUILD ABOVE THAT LINE PER THE U D C AND STATE LAW.
UH, I IMPROVEMENTS SHALL NOT IMPACT HUMAN REMAINS.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND.
AND WE'RE READY TO BEGIN OUR B ITEMS. GIVE US JUST A MINUTE WHILE WE PULL THE, UM, SIGN IN SHEETS FOR THOSE.
OKAY, WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, BEFORE WE DO, UM, WE HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, SO I'LL CALL THEM UP AND ORDER.
THE FIRST IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COM.
OH, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE 91 18 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
AND I'M, UH, DOING THIS FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UH, TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
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MAGNOLIA, ITEM B 16 1 34 CALLAHAN AVENUE AND ONE 13 LEE STREET.ITEM B 18 11 20 IOWA, ITEM B 25 0 8 MASON STREET.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS IN EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES, THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS ENCOURAGE THE PRESERVATION OF ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS THAT CAN BE REPAIRED.
IT APPEARS CLEAR THAT IN EACH OF THESE FOUR CASES, THE WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THESE CASES ARE BEING BROUGHT BEFORE THE H D R C WHEN THEY CLEARLY DO NOT FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND SHOULD BE DENIED.
ADMINISTRATIVELY, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION RECORD CONDUCTS WYNDHAM WORK WINDOW WORKSHOPS THAT ILLUSTRATE HOW HISTORIC WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED.
HISTORIC WINDOWS GENERALLY HAVE HIGH QUALITY OF MATERIAL AND CONSTRUCTION, WHILE MANY REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY THOSE MADE OF PLASTIC DO NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS CAN ALSO BE RESTORED TO MEET CONTEMPORARY ENERGY STANDARDS.
TOO OFTEN WE HAVE SEEN REPLACEMENT WINDOWS INSTALLED WITHOUT ATTENTION TO THE WOODEN WINDOW FRAME, THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF WATER, INFIL OF AIR INFILTRATION.
WE URGE THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE REALITIES OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND WE ENCOURAGE THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO ENFORCE THE GUIDELINES REGARDING HISTORIC WINDOWS.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, OUR PRESIDENT, PATTY SCIENCE NICE IS BARBARA GARCIA.
I LIVE AT 9 32 NORTH PINE STREET.
UM, IN DITY HILL, THE DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED FOR TODAY'S CASES.
THE D H N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS CONCURS WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE OFFICIAL D H N A LETTER IS IN THE CASE FILES, UM, AND SIGNED BY THE DIG DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT.
IN CONSIDERATION OF EVERYONE'S TIME, WE HAVE SUMMARIZED OUR ASSESSMENTS AND COMMENTS AS FOLLOWS.
CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 5 72 FOR 1130 EAST CROCKETT, INSTALLATION OF A FRONT YARD FENCING.
WE SUPPORT THIS AS PRESENTED CASE NUMBER 20 19 1 7 FOR 4 34 SHERMAN STREET CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
WE SUPPORT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES SETBACKS TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
AND LASTLY, UH, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH FIVE 50 FOR 9 0 9 NORTH PINE STREET CONSTRUCTION OF A CARPORT AND LANDSCAPING.
ALTHOUGH WE SUPPORT THE CARPORT DESIGN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE SETBACK, UH, TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
AS FOR THE LANDSCAPING, WE ARE OPEN TO THE USE OF STONE IF IT MEETS O H P GUIDELINES.
I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR, UM, HERE REPRESENTING CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL REGARDING, UH, ITEM B ONE, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 5 84 FOR 1835 EAST HOUSTON AND B 2 20 19 DASH 5 72 FOR 1130 EAST CROCKETT.
WE SUPPORT THOSE FOR THE 1130 EAST CROCKETT.
OKAY, THOSE ARE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE.
UM, IF YOU DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, WE HAVE, UM, EXCUSE ME, NINE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, EDWARD, CAN YOU MOVE B 17 DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZEN SIGNED IN FOR THOSE ITEMS AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B NINE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL
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OF ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B NINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.MOTION PASSES YOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1835 EAST HOUSTON, 1130 EAST CROCKETT 1 45 EAST MAGNOLIA ONE 19 ADAMS FOR BOTH TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
THREE 50 PHELPS 31 39 ALIA, TWO 15 ROSEWOOD AND 51 0 2 OLD PEARSALL.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE YARD SIGNED THAT WAS PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, THIS ITEM WAS POSTED AS INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS AGREED TO EVERYTHING.
UM, SO THERE'S, IT COULD BE ON CONSENT, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED AS INDIVIDUAL, WE ARE REQUESTING INDIVIDUAL ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
SO ITEM B 17 A C R C CASE 20 19 5 7 6 1 0 7 MAGNOLIA DRIVE.
UM, IT'S REQUEST FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND TAX REC OR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEM B 17 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM B 10 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 1 1 7 434 SHERMAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE LOT AT 4 34 SHERMAN LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SHERMAN IN NORTH OLIVE WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS, UH, THE FOLLOWING INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GUIDELINES PRIOR TO RECEIVING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, I WON'T ADDRESS THOSE, UH, BUT THEY'RE LOCATED IN DETAIL AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I HAVE ANOTHER CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.
UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPLICANT UP FIRST AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE WILL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER DISCUSSION.
I'M ROBERT AMESQUITA, DESIGNER FOR, UM, 4 34 34 SHERMAN, UH, 5 1 5 COSGROVE.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A LOT AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHERMAN AND NORTH OLIVE.
THE HOUSE IS PREDICATED ON THE CLIENT'S REQUIREMENTS FOR A THREE BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF BATHROOM RESIDENCE AND HAS A DETACHED GARAGE FOR HIS PER HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
THE FINISHES WILL BE PAINTED WOOD SIDING WITH THE METAL ROOF PER HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE BEDROOMS ARE SMALL, 11 BY 11 AND 11 BY 12.7, AND THE MASTER BED BEDROOM IS DESIGNED TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS OF THE CLIENT.
THESE BEDROOMS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH THEN DICTATE THE PARAMETERS OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE HAVE LOCATED 78% OF THE SECOND FLOOR AS FAR AWAY FROM THE 1125 NORTH PINE RESIDENCE AS A LOT WILL ALLOW.
WE ARE BELOW THE 50% IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENT ON THIS LOT THAT IS 75 PER 75 FEET SHORTER THAN THE REST OF THE LOTS ON THE 1100 BLOCK OF NORTH OLIVE.
THE FRONT SETBACK IS BEHIND THE COSA ZONING CODE AND MEDIAN SETBACK REQUIREMENT, AS WELL AS HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS SET BY THE PREVIOUS HOME ON THE SITE.
THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ACTIVE IN THE DISTRICT RUN LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND INTEND TO LIVE IN THIS HOME.
WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH H D R C STAFF ON DETAILS FOR THIS RESIDENCE FOR THE LAST NINE MONTHS, AND DESIGNED, PRESENTED TODAY AS AN AGREEABLE COLLABORATION.
WE BELIEVE OUR RESIDENCE COMPLIES WITH THE FRESH TEST AS COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE CAN CALL CITIZENS AT THIS TIME.
UM, VIRGINIA VAN CLEAVE, VIRGINIA VAN CLEAVE, 91 18
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FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.AND I'M READING THIS FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT 4 34 SHERMAN IN DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND THROUGHOUT THIS DISTRICT.
WE URGE THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO ENCOURAGE THE OWNERS TO DEVELOP A PROJECT MORE IN CO IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF DITY HILL.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, CONSERVATION SOCIETY PRESIDENT PATTY ZZ.
VALERIE CORTEZ RESIGNING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR REPRESENTING, UH, CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL.
SO FOR 4 34 SHERMAN, YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DIGNITY HILL DISTRICT NEIGHBORS WITH A TOTAL OF 10 CO-SIGNERS.
REGARDING THIS PROJECT, WE SUPPORT O H P O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
ONCE AGAIN, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL CAN'T BE UNDERESTIMATED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IF SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE BUILDING ENTRANCE AND SCALE AND MASSING ARE NOT IN CONFORMANCE TO THE GUIDELINES.
WE'VE SEEN MANY, MANY TIMES THAT APPLICANTS DON'T ADDRESS THESE ITEMS IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY AFTER CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL HAS BEEN GRANTED.
THE SHERMAN STREET HOUSE AS PROPOSED IS TOO LARGE, TOO TALL, AND COVERS TOO MUCH OF THE LOT.
IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT THE CONTEXT OF EXISTING SMALLER HOUSES.
WE'VE INCLUDED IN OUR LETTER TO YOU THE SECTIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOW FAR OUT OF CONFORMITY THE PROPOSAL IS.
AGAIN, ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND HER DESIGNER AND EXPRESSED THE MAJOR CONCERNS WE HAD.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT TEAM HAD NO INTENTION OF MAKING CHANGES AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO ARGUE AGAINST OUR COMMENTS.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN TO D R C MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT HOPE THAT THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS DOES NOT EQUATE TO A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WHEN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS SO FAR OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DESIGN HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE MAJOR CONCERNS.
I MAY ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE, THOSE CONCERNS.
UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS THE, UH, NEIGHBOR BROUGHT UP WAS, UM, SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, CURRENTLY THE GUIDELINES STATE THAT WE SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50% FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, THE INITIAL, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS AT 53 50 4% IMPERVIOUS COVER.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS AND IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 48%.
THAT IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, UH, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
UM, OUR PLATE HEIGHT FOR THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10 FEET, AND FOR THE SECOND FLOOR IS 10 FEET.
UM, HISTORICALLY, HOUSES BUILT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CENTURY, LAST CENTURY WOULD'VE HAD TALL CEILINGS, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING.
SO THE HOUSES USED, UM, PASSIVE, PASSIVE COOLING ARE THE TALLER CEILINGS, UH, CASE, UM, UH, NOT CASEMENT WINDOWS, UH, TRANSOMS OVER OVER THEIR WINDOWS.
UH, SO, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO DUPLICATE THAT WITH SOME PAIR OF CASEMENTS AND A TRANSOM OVER OUR WINDOWS TO PICK UP ON THE HISTORICAL DETAILS, UH, OF EARLIER HOUSES.
UH, ALSO OUR WINDOW FENESTRATION.
I THINK THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE, UH, SURVEYED SOME OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WINDOW FENESTRATION
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AND DOOR WINDOW AND DOOR FENESTRATION, UH, VARIES FROM 20, UH, 4% TO 33%.OURS AS SHOWN IS AT 27 AND A HALF, 27 POINT A HALF PERCENT, I BELIEVE.
UH, SO WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF, UH, DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS AND FENESTRATIONS.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING MATERIALS, WOOD, UH, FINISHES AND A METAL ROOF, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, OUR ROOF SHAPE, UH, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH AND ROUND AND ROUND ON THAT DESIGN, BUT I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A COLLABORATIVE, UH, EFFORT WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, OR COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A SUCCESSFUL, UH, SOLUTION.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN POINTS THAT THEY WERE MAKING.
UH, IF I MAY, UH, WE SUBMITTED, UH, AN EXHIBIT, A REVISED EXHIBIT A SHOWING HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD, UH, REVISED, UH, UH, HAD HOUSES AT THE CORNER, LOTS THAT WERE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINES THAN THE INFILL HOUSES.
UM, DO YOU HAVE THE REV? DO YOU HAVE THE, OH, THAT'S, WELL, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED, UH, THE CORNER HOUSES AND THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE STREET.
UH, TRADITIONALLY, HISTORICALLY THAN INFILL.
ALSO, THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THIS SITE, UM, AS LATE AS 2004, I BELIEVE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND IT ON GOOGLE MAPS AND ALSO FIND IT ON THE SANBORN MAPS OF 1904 OR 1913, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND IT SHOWS THE HOUSE ANYWHERE ON, ON THE TWO DIFFERENT MAPS.
ONE MAP, IT SHOWS THE HOUSE AT FIVE FEET AND IN ONE INSTANT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S SEVEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, OUR PROPOSAL TO HAVE THE HOUSE AT 13 FEET IS ABOUT TWICE THE DISTANCE OF THE PREVIOUS HOUSE.
THE, UH, GUIDELINES ALSO STATE, UH, WHEN THERE IS A VARIATION IN FRONT SETBACKS THAT, UM, IT SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD TAKE THE MEDIAN, UH, THE MEDIAN OF THE 1100 BLOCK IS 11, I'M SORRY, 12.2 FEET.
I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, OBSERVED THIS WITH OTHER CASES INDIGNITY, THAT THE, UM, THESE CORNER LOTS DO TEND TO STEP FORWARD.
AND THAT, THAT THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS, IS CORRECT IN THAT THAT IS PART OF THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE TENDED ALSO TO BE THE, THE LARGER HOUSES ON, ON A BLOCK WOULD BE KIND OF AS BOOKENDS, UH, CLAIMING THOSE, THOSE IMPORTANT CORNERS AT INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO I, I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THEIR, OF THEIR, UH, THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, ON THE SITE, UH, CLOSER TO THE, UM, TO THE CORON THAN, THAN SAY THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
I THINK THE RESULTING MASSING THOUGH IS OF CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT, IT DOES END UP WITH THAT 10 FOOT PLATE AT BOTH THE FIRST AND THE SECOND.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, A, UH, SIX, SIX ON 12 ROOF.
IT BEGINS TO BECOME PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S WAS ANY EXPLORATION, I KNOW I ATTENDED ONE OF THE, UH, DESIGN MEETINGS A WHILE BACK, BUT, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PROJECT IN A WHILE.
UM, WAS THERE ANY EXPLORATION OF DOING, UH, A 10 FOOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND NINE FOOT ON THE SECOND JUST TO BEGIN TO PULL THE, UH, THE PRIMARY ROOF DOWN A BIT? I THINK THERE WAS A CONVERSATION AT ONE POINT AND, UH,
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FOR A SECOND, THESE ARE THE OWNERS.I, I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT ONCE AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHY WE ENDED UP STAYING AT 10 FEET.
I THINK IT WAS JUST MAINLY JUST BECAUSE I'M JUST SO LARGE AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, THAT, THAT HE KIND OF RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO WITH 10 INSTEAD OF NINE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M A LITTLE BIT COMFORTABLE IN MY OWN HOME.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS HOW WE ENDED UP STAYING AT 10 FEET.
I I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE DISCUSSED IN THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AS WELL.
YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS AT D R C HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ROOF FORM.
YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF VALLEYS AND MAYBE WE CAN SEE A ROOF PLAN.
WELL, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO RIDGES, THEY INTERSECT AND THEN YOU HAVE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A A, A GABLE LAND OVER HERE.
UM, AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE VALLEY ROOF PLAN HAS, THE ROOF FORMS HAVE, UH, CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS.
THEY'VE GONE TO, UH, MORE, UH, TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, PITCHED ROOFS AS OPPOSED TO SHED ROOFS.
UH, WITH THIS HAS GABLE ENDS, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, TALLER, UH, SHED ROOFS THAT IT STARTED OUT AS, UM, THE SIX ON 12 ROOF PITCH IS PRETTY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UH, LOWERING IT, THE TWO ON 12 WOULD, YOU'D LOSE THE ROOF, THE SIDE OF THE ROOF AND BE TOO LOW.
UH, JUST MAKE, JUST MAKE AN, AN OBSERVATION OF THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES.
AND TRYING TO IMAGINE OR TRANSLATE, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS, UH, THAT I'M READING, UH, JUST, JUST FROM A VISUAL, UM, WHERE, WHERE THE FLATS HIT THE HIT THE PITCHES, THEY, THEY SEEM TO, UH, KIND OF PULL FROM A DIALOGUE THAT OCCURS IN HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED ONTO.
AND, AND TYPICALLY WHERE THAT HAPPENS, THE FLATS ARE LOWER THAN THE PITCHES, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE AFTERTHOUGHTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I THINK THAT THROWS THE, THE, THE PERSON LOOKING AT IT OFF.
'CAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ROOF HEIGHTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WELL, THE, THE PIECES THAT, THAT, THAT SEEM LOWER, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION, NORTH ELEVATION, THE PORCH, THE VISUAL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PORCH? OKAY.
BUT SO THE PORCH IS EXTENDING BEYOND THE REST OF THE HOUSE, THE, THE OVERHANG.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE THREE D.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PITCH THERE AT THE PORCH, WE'RE JUST EXTENDING IT.
UH, WE'LL HAVE LIKE A ONE FOOT OVERHANG FOR THE HOUSE, AND THEN AT THE PORCH IT'LL BE TWO FEET.
AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS GOING UP.
HAVE YOU ALSO LOOKED AT THE COMMENT FROM STAFF ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR? I KNOW YOU, YOU'VE, YES.
YOU HAVE DONE A FRONT ENTRANCE IN YOUR MIND, BUT I STILL DON'T SEE THE FRONT DOOR ON NORTH OLIVE.
I MEAN, THE FRONT DOOR IS SIDEWAYS, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE FRONT STAFF'S, UH, COMMENT WAS THAT IT WASN'T COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE PROVIDED, UM, 10 OR 11 EXAMPLES WHERE IT IS COMMONPLACE TO HAVE THE SIDE DOOR ENTRY.
I'LL GIVE YOU THOSE ADDRESSES RIGHT NOW.
ACTUALLY, UH, IN ONE OF OUR RESPONSES, WE HAVE ALL THE ADDRESSES.
HOLD ON, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, J JUST JUST TO, TO, TO, UM, JUST, JUST AN OBSERVATION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE SQUARENESS OF IT IS WHAT, UM, MAY NOT BE SEEN AS A MATCH, NOT A MATCH, BUT IN CHARACTER.
SO LIKE, LIKE, UH, UM, THE, THE VERTICAL BOARD UNDER AN EAVE DETAILS THAT YOU WOULD SEE HERE, IT JUST SEEMS TO CHOP OFF, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE ROOF LINES ARE TRUNCATED TO A LARGE EXTENT, RIGHT? AND THE EAVES YES.
I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF LITTLE VISUAL CUES THAT PEOPLE SEE AND THEY SEE OUTTA CHARACTER.
NOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, NECESSARILY DICTATE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
I I JUST THINK THAT AS A VISUAL, UM, WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT SEE IS SOMETHING THAT TO THEM IS OUT OF CHARACTER.
I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE
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THAT ONE OF THE GUIDELINES, UH, OR PRINCIPLES IN, IN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UH, STATES, UH, I'M GONNA, I, THERE'S PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO REGARDING FALSE HISTORICISM.UM, AND, AND THEN THERE'S PRINCIPLE NUMBER THREE OF CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF TRADITIONAL DESIGNS AND DETAILS MAY BE CONSIDERED.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE IF WE ADD A, A TWO FOOT OVERHANG, IS IS THAT NO, NO.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UH, UH, FALSE INTERPRETATIONS, FALSE NARRATIVES, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN OPINION THAT THAT MEANS SOMETHING RIGHT FROM THE COMMUNITY THERE.
AND AN EVE, UH, CAN BE SEEN AS A, AS A, AS A, AS A WAY TO INSPIRE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA, WHETHER AN EVE IS 12 INCHES, WHETHER IT'S TWO FEET, WHETHER IT'S THREE FEET, WHETHER IT'S SIX INCHES THAT CREATES A SHADOW LINE.
SO MAYBE IT'S NOT ABOUT INTERPRETING THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT MAYBE IT'S ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF WHAT, WHAT LIGHT DOES TO A BUILDING IN AN AREA WHERE ALL THE BUILDINGS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PARTICULAR CHARACTERISTICS, RIGHT? LIKE THE, LIKE THE WINDOW DEPTH.
AND I THINK, LET ME ADDRESS THAT.
'CAUSE I, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.
YEAH, IT DOES, ON BLACK AND WHITE PAPER LOOK LIKE A FLAT MASS.
BUT THE REALITY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FRONT ELEVATION, UH, EAST ELEVATION, UM, THAT LITTLE, UH, GABLE AND PROJECTS OUT 12 INCHES.
WE DIDN'T SHOW ANY SHADOW LINES OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON THIS, BUT IT PROJECTS 12 INCHES FROM THE FACE ADJACENT FACE, AND THEN AT THE PORCH THAT SETS BACK FIVE FEET.
SO YOU'VE GOT SHADOW LINES OCCURRING HERE, UH, ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION.
SO IT STARTS TO BREAK IT UP, EVEN THOUGH IN, IN BLACK AND WHITE ON TWO D PAPER, IT LOOKS REAL FLAT.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH CAD DRAWINGS TOO, IS THEY DON'T, UM, OLD SCHOOL HAND DRAFTING GUY, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD MANIPULATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT TWO D CAD DRAWINGS JUST REALLY LOOK FLAT.
AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT HAPPENING HERE THAT, THAT ISN'T PICKED UP ON THE TWO D GRAPHICS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ARTICULATION THERE.
I HAVE A, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS JUST FROM THE, UH, WE MET ON THIS IN MARCH AND IN JUNE ALREADY IN THE D R C.
SO, UH, THE, THE COMMENTS FROM THAT THAT I CAN RECALL WERE, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, UM, THE ENTRY INTO THE BACK, UH, CO THE COTTAGE AREA WHERE YOU HAD THE STAIRS, UM, BEING PULLED UP, YOU, YOU WERE KIND OF PULLING THOSE TIGHTER TOGETHER, BRINGING THOSE, UH, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER WITH THE LANDING AND, AND MAKING THAT ALLEY NOT FUNCTIONAL.
SO I JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU ON THE, THE DESIGN FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS, UM, A, A SACRIFICE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE.
SO, UH, I KNOW THAT THE COUPLE WAS, UH, NOT ANXIOUS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT DOES MAKE THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT IT FUNCTIONS MUCH BETTER.
THE SECOND THING IS THE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WINDOWS, AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THESE CASEMENT WINDOWS AND THEIR, THEIR, UH, UH, BASIC DISREGARD FOR A LOT OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TYPES OF WINDOWS THAT WE USUALLY SEE IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO YOU'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
I STILL THINK THAT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
AND I, I THINK THE WINDOWS ARE STILL THE NOT QUITE THERE.
UM, BUT YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE HERE, I THINK FOR THE COMMISSION, AND YOU CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE ROOF FORMS. UH, WE, WE WENT OVER THOSE SIGNIFICANTLY TALKED ABOUT HOW TO, UH, BEST NOT SIMPLIFY, BUT CLARIFY THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE SO THAT IT MEETS AS MANY OF THOSE GUIDELINES AS POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
I STILL, I'M NOT A, A BIG FAN OF THE WAY THAT, THAT THE TWO RIDGES MEET.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP THERE, BUT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS TO RAISE THAT RIDGE LINE AND, AND, AND BRING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION.
BUT, UM, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
AND, UH, I THINK OVERALL YOU'VE
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ADDRESSED SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE D R C MEETING.I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME THAT ARE LACKING, BUT THAT'S JUST MY REPORT FROM WHERE, WHERE WE WERE IN THE LAST TWO DRCS.
BUT TO BE, TO BE FAIR, WE MET ON THIS IN MARCH AND WE MET ON THIS IN JUNE, AND NOW IT'S OCTOBER.
SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
IN REFERENCE TO THE TWO RIDGES MEETING, I THINK THIS IS A TRADITIONAL WAY THAT, UH, TWO RIDGES OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS ACTUALLY MEET, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO I'M NOT, I PROVIDED A BUNCH OF EXAMPLES.
I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE WAY THE TWO RIDGES MEET.
UM, THE DESIGN HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND, UM, I COMMEND THE, UM, THE OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING WITH, UH, THE COMMISSION AND, AND STAFF.
UM, SO THIS IS, THE APPLICATION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND, UM, SO INCLINE THE COMMISSION COULD, UH, ADD STIPULATIONS TO, UH, THAT APPROVAL IF THINGS LIKE WINDOWS.
AND, UH, LOOKING AT THE SECOND FLOOR CEILING HEIGHT AND OTHER ITEMS ARE STILL OF CONCERN.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONER SOMETHING.
WOULD THAT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT SECTION OF THE HOUSE BEING TALLER SO THAT THE RIDGE LINES MEET? NO, I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE QUESTION LIES IN THE WAY THAT THOSE GEOMETRIES MEET.
AND SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN GET OVER.
I THINK IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK WITH A NEW CONSTRUCTION LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK THAT IF IT'S HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT, UH, IT CAN BE DONE.
SO I WAS ALSO AT SOME OF THE, WHEN ONE OF THE DRCS, AND I REMEMBER, UM, DISCUSSING, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONER BOWMAN HERE NEXT TO ME.
I THINK ON THE WINDOWS, YOU PROBABLY, I KNOW YOU REALLY WANT, YOU KNOW, MORE MODERN WINDOWS OR THAT TYPE OF WINDOW.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE APPROVE SOMETHING CONCEPTUAL AND WE STILL HAVE STIPULATIONS AND YOU'RE NOT CHANGING BECAUSE OF DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OR DESIGN IDEAS.
UM, SO, AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, SEND THE APPLICANT TO ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THESE WINDOWS THREE TIMES AND THEY'RE STILL THE SAME.
SO ACTUALLY THE WINDOWS HAVE CHANGED, BUT, UM, THESE WINDOWS ARE, ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
YOU JUST SAW THE SIMPLE ONE PUNCHED OPENING, CASED OPENING, UH, OR I'M SORRY, UM, UH, CASEMENT WINDOW, JUST A SINGLE, UH, SO MAYBE YOU'RE NOT, THESE, THESE ARE ON, ON OLIVE STREET.
THERE ARE, UH, EXAMPLES OF CASEMENT WINDOWS ON NORTH OLIVE STREET, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE INSPIRATION, UH, FROM TWO HOUSES EXACTLY ON NORTH OLIVE STREET.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT PROBABLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BETTER PRESENTED, PROBABLY WITH LIKE AN EXAMPLE, OR MAYBE WE CAN PULL UP GOOGLE MAP FOR THAT.
THE 1 0 0 1, THAT'S NOT THE USUAL TYPE OF 1 0 0 1 THAT WE SEE IN THE, IN HISTORIC HOMES ALONG THE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MAYBE THOSE WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT.
SO, I MEAN, I, I'M, I JUST WANT THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME CHANGES, AND I DO THINK THAT THE FRONT DOOR CAN ALSO BE SOLVED, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED, BUT OVERALL, WE'RE IN A BETTER PLACE.
I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS WHEN STAFF SAYS THE MEDIAN AND, AND THE GUIDELINES SAY THE FRONT SETBACK, I THINK YOU TOOK THE, THE MEDIAN OF WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE STREET IS A LOT OF SMALL HOMES.
BUT IT'S A LOT OF SMALL HOMES, AND THEY ALL HAVE VERY SIMILAR SETBACK ON THIS BLOCK.
THEY'RE BIGGER HOMES WITH VERY SIMILAR SETBACK.
SO YOU'RE TAKING IN THE MEDIAN FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH KIND OF DOESN'T.
WE, WE, WE LIKE TO KEEP IT PER BLOCK, PER SIDE OF THE STREET.
BUT AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, PER EXHIBIT A, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE PER THE, UH, SANBORN MAPS, THE HOUSES AT THE CORNERS WERE CLOSER TO THE, UH, PROPERTY LINES HISTORICALLY.
AND HISTORICALLY ON THIS SITE, THE HOUSE WAS FIVE TO SEVEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AGREE THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALSO YOUR, YOUR, THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
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ABOUT CERTAIN DIMENSIONS AND CERTAIN ITEMS, WE WANT, WE'RE TALKING THE SAME THING.I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR FRONT DOOR COMMENT.
UM, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE FRONT DOOR BEING ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SIDE AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE, FROM THE STREET OF THOSE ADDRESSES I PROVIDED TO, UM, HISTORIC, UH, I GUESS ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
AND I'VE GOT THEM LISTED RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, I'VE GOT 15 EXAMPLES, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THEM.
WELL, UM, I'M JUST SAYING, SAYING THAT IT HAPPENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE US PICTURES FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION OR FINAL.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YOU MEANT STIPULATION 10, RIGHT? INCLUDING 10.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE.
CAN WE AMEND THAT, UH,
IT'S IN REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING, SO STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT OKAY.
TO ENSURE THAT AN APPROPRIATE APOLOGIES DESIGNED, BRING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
ITEM NUMBER B 11 H T R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH FOUR 11.
ADDRESS, 1 0 4 BO BO REGARD THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING REAR STAIRCASE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO CONNECT TO THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND REAR STAIR MODIFICATIONS AT THIS TIME.
BASED ON THE STIPULATIONS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN UPDATED DESIGN PROPOSAL FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY.
AND THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKET.
WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE? HOW YOU GUYS DOING? UH, MY NAME'S DANIEL CRUZ.
I'M WITH DESIGN COOP AND I'M GONNA BE REPRESENTING, UH, MARLON MONTOYA.
UM, WE WERE HERE LESS THAN A MONTH AGO IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT.
WE ACTUALLY GOT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE TO THE, THE PROJECT, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF FORM AND MASSING.
WE ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, UH, WE, WE, UM, RELOCATED THE KITCHEN FROM THE FRONT, FRONT FACADE INTO THE INSIDE.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS WE REDUCED THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE.
PRIOR, WE WERE, WE WERE, UH, PROPOSING A STRUCTURE WITH A CLEAR STORY SET OF WINDOWS UP ABOVE THE, UH, UP ABOVE THE MAIN SPACE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
UM, A FEW THINGS THAT WE TOOK, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING THAT, UH, WAS SAID AT THE D R C MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO MANIPULATE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES WE DID IS WE WERE, OUR MATERIAL, OUR MATERIALS IS ONE, WAS ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS.
WE WERE ONCE PROPOSING A BRICK, A BRICK STRUCTURE WITH, UH, STUCCO ELEMENTS AS WELL AS STEEL WINDOWS, UH, BIG BAY WINDOWS.
AT OUR D R C MEETING, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOW OPENINGS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE SOLID TO VOID RATIO AND REDUCED THE ACTUAL SCALE OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, OVERALL WIDTHWISE HEIGHTWISE, UH, WE FEEL THESE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY ARE RECESSED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THEY ARE GONNA BE OPERABLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER 'EM, THEY'RE MORE OF A DOOR SYSTEM THAN A WINDOW SYSTEM.
UM, WE DID DO ADD DIVIDED LIGHTS TO KIND OF MIMIC A SCREEN PORCH.
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AND, UH, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED, UM, IN THE COMMENTS WAS OUR STAIRCASE.WE WERE ONCE PROPOSING AN ALL STEEL STAIRCASE.
IT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A STEEL, WOOD, AND GLASS, UM, STAIRCASE.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE OWNER IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA LAST QUITE SOME TIME.
SHE'S HAD MULTIPLE WOOD STAIRCASES THAT HAVE ROTTED OUT.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO A STEEL STRINGER WITH WOOD TREADS AND GLASS HANDRAIL GUARDRAIL SYSTEM.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE CHOSE GLASS IS TO REALLY AVOID US, UM, DISTRACTING.
I MEAN, WE WANT TO RESPECT THE HISTORICAL CONTENT AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S TRANSPARENT, WE FEEL LIKE HELPS NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE ELEMENTS.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE CHANGED WAS THE SIDING.
UM, WE ARE NOW PROPOSING SIDING ONE 17 TEARDROP, WHICH IS ALSO FOUND ON THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE REALLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE WERE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH, I BELIEVE, WAS THE OPENINGS AND THE STAIR.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE MADE THE PROPER CHANGES TO, UM, AND PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE DESIGN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES.
MARLA HAS SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OTHER RED PLACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, I THINK HELP HELP OUR CASE.
I RESIDE AT 1 0 4 BEAU REGARD.
UM, WE WERE ASKED LAST TIME TO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ON YOUR SCREEN AS A MAP OF ALL THE DIFFERENT HOUSES THAT I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU.
UM, THERE'S SOME RIGHT IMMEDIATE TO ME, BUT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU FIRST A PICTURE OF THE BEST EXAMPLE, WHICH IS IN, UM, 2, 2 4 LAVACCA.
AND IT ALSO HAS A ONE 17 SIGHTING, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, LIKE MY ARCHITECT SAID, WE CHANGED FROM BRICK TO, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN JUST BECAUSE THIS MATCHED MORE OF THE REAR OF MY PROPERTY.
UM, THESE WINDOWS ARE SIMILAR TO THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, EXCEPT, UM, OURS WILL BE FUNCTIONAL.
THEY WILL BE TO WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY OPEN THEM OUT TO THE DRIVE AND BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT OF THEM.
UM, THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
CAN YOU, MY HOME, UH, THAT I'M FLAGGING HERE, RIGHT, IS THIS OTHER, UH, TWO 50 WASHINGTON.
AND THEN I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ANOTHER HOME, WHICH IS ONE PROPERTY AWAY FROM ME, WHICH IS, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? SORRY.
UM, SO THIS IS TWO 50 WASHINGTON DIRECTLY MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, UM, NORTH OF ME.
AND WE'RE KIND OF MIMICKING THE GLASS ENCLOSED PORCHES, UM, THAT ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE ON, UH, 3 0 2 KING WILLIAM, WHICH IS ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM ME ON KING WILLIAM STREET ON CATTY CORNER, KING WILLIAM AND BEAUREGARD.
THIS IS THE REAR OF THEIR HOUSE, WHICH IT FACES BEAUREGARD STREET.
HERE'S ANOTHER HOME ON 101ST STREET.
I WISH I COULD REACH TO THE MAP TO POINT IT, UH, WHERE IT IS ON THE MAP.
UM, SAME IDEA WITH THE GLASS ENCLOSED PORCH.
UM, AND THAT'S A CORNER HOUSE TOO ON CEDAR STREET AND FIRST STREET.
HERE'S ANOTHER GLASS ENCLOSED PORCH, KIND OF MIMICKING OF, OF THE SAME AT 6 31 EAST GUNTHER.
SO THE CORNER OF GUNTHER AND CROFTON.
UM, THIS IS THE OTHER HOME, WHICH IS ONE PROPERTY AWAY FROM ME AT 3 22 WASHINGTON STREET, UM, WHICH HAS STEEL WINDOWS AND, UH, STEEL TRIM, NOT RESOURCE, NOT RECESSED, UM, BUT KIND OF SAME DESIGN WITH THE, UM, THE KIND OF MIMICKING THAT UPPER AND LOWER SASH ON THE DIVIDED OF THE GLASS.
UH, THIS IS THEIR POOL HOUSE, WHICH, UH, IS A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE EXCEPT IT'S STEEL.
UM, BUT IT'S FLOOR TO CEILING, UH, GLASS WITH, UH, ONE DIVIDED LIGHT ON THE BOTTOM.
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HERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY, WHICH IS ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM ME.UM, KIND OF UNUSUAL, A STUCCO WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
UM, BUT IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE, UH, HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DON'T NECESSARILY GO PER GUIDELINES, BUT TO ME, KIND OF ENHANCED THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC.
UM, THIS HOME IS ALSO AT TWO 50 WASHINGTON, UM, IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF ME.
THIS IS THEIR REAR POLE HOUSE.
THEY ALSO HAVE A SMALL STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT OF IT.
THAT'S ONE 17 SIDING WITH A FLAT ROOF AS WELL.
AND I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND IT ENHANCES THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THIS HOME AT FOUR 16 CEDAR, YOU CAN BARELY SEE, BUT, UM, A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT TO THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE THE GLASS LIGHTING DOORS.
THERE'S THREE OF 'EM, BUT SIMILAR KIND OF TO WHAT I'M DOING.
AND THIS IS THE REAR OF THEIRS.
I, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE, THERE'S LIKE FOUR PANELS RIGHT ON THEIR REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING.
TOO SIMILAR, BUT KIND OF MORE MODERN THAN WHAT I'M PROPOSING.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MODERN AT SIX 15 LEE STREET.
NOTHING LIKE WHAT I'M PROPOSING, BUT THERE IS REAL MODERN, UH, HOMES.
THIS IS A ARCHITECT'S HOME FROM OVERLAND PARTNERS, IS HIS PERSONAL HOME.
IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE A I A HOME TOUR THIS PAST SATURDAY.
UM, THIS HOME AT TWO 10 LAVACCA IS ALSO BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S A LAKE PLATO DESIGN, OR AT LEAST THE RENOVATION IS A LAKE PLATO DESIGN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING ALSO HAS SIMILAR GLASS SLIDING DOORS WITH, UH, UH, WINDOW LIGHTS ABOVE IT.
AND THESE HOMES THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ARE ON MADISON STREET.
THIS IS ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOME.
UM, I AM SHOWING THE REST OF THESE SLIDES TO SHOW THAT THE WINDOW TRIM BEING NON-EXISTENT ON IMMEDIATE HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS FURTHER A BLOCK AWAY ON FOUR 10 MADISON.
AND THE NEXT SIX HOUSES ARE ALL NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE AT THE CORNER OF MADISON.
AND, UM, JOHNSON HAS A ONE 17 SIDING SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT I'M PROPOSING.
THIS IS THE SIDE VIEW OF THE SAME PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE FOR MY, UH, REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING, JUST BECAUSE THE ONE 17 SIDING ON THEIR GARAGE THAT FACES JOHNSON STREET HAS THE TRIM.
UH, PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR OUR, OUR DOOR OPENING.
THIS IS THE SAME ON A BLOCK AWAY FROM THAT, THAT PROPERTY THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
THIS SLIDE OF AT 4 34 KING WILLIAM.
UM, IT ALSO HAS THE SAME TRIM AROUND THEIR GARAGE OPENING.
IT'S JUST A LARGE OPENING, UH, WITH THE SAME TRIM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
NOW, THIS IS A LITTLE, UM, ADVANCED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I SAW THIS PICTURE AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE TRANSPARENCY OF IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE, UM, THROUGH IT AND YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORIC HOMES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND WHERE MY EXISTING STAIR IS, IT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO MY HOME.
AND WHAT I BUILT THERE WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME IS THE MONSTER.
AND, UM, MY LOT IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO MY NEIGHBOR'S LOTS.
AND THE STAIR IS BEING SQUEEZED BETWEEN MY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE REAR OF MY HOME, WHICH IS AT A CATTY CORNER TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM.
SO I THOUGHT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD KIND OF HELP MAKE IT FEEL LIGHTER THAN, UM, UH, THERE IS GLASS RAILING.
THIS IS THE SAME POOL HOUSE I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GLASS RAILING AROUND THE POOL.
AND THIS IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, THIS, UH, HOME ABOUT A TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM ME ALSO HAS AN UPPER RAILING FACING, UH, MADISON STREET THAT'S, UM, TRANSPARENT.
KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPT WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE GLASS RAILING.
THIS HOME IS, UM, OR THESE HOMES ARE ON CAMARGO STREET, WHICH KIND OF SIMILAR IDEAL WITH TRANSPARENT RAILING, BUT NOTICE THESE HOMES ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS.
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THAT'S IT.ANY QUESTIONS? SO I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY COMMENT ON, UH, I, I REALLY LIKED THE DESIGN.
I LIKED THE, THE DIRECTION OF IT, UM, FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, SO I, I LIKED THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ABOUT SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE.
SO HAVE YOU GUYS BUILT THIS DETAIL BEFORE? UH, I HAVE NOT, BUT A PARTNER IN MY OFFICE HAS, UM, IT HAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE DURABILITY OF THE, UH, FRONT FACADE WHERE YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING A PARAPET THAT'S ABOUT A FOOT OR NINE AND A HALF INCHES BEYOND MM-HMM.
I WOULD LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN GO FOR IT.
IT'S JUST A FUNCTIONAL ISSUE FOR ME OF THE DURABILITY OF THAT MATERIAL ON THE, THE WOOD SIDING.
UM, AND THE, THE LITTLE LIP THAT YOU'RE GIVING THAT FLASHING ABOVE THAT SIDING.
SO WINDBLOWN RAIN, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE CAULKING IT.
UM, SO TO ME IT'S MORE OF A FUNCTIONAL ISSUE.
IF YOU PULLED THAT PARAPET FORWARD AND HAD A SCUPPER THROUGH IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT CLEANER, A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
BUT I KNOW YOU WANT THAT SHADOW LINE TOO.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REASONING WHY WE PULLED THE PARA BIT BACK.
IT'S NOT, IT'S AN AESTHETIC THING.
UM, JUST FROM THE FRONT FACADE HERE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE WANTED TO KEEP THE, KEEP THE SAME DIMENSIONS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE, UH, THE, THE UPPER HEADERS AS WELL AS THE SIDING.
WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT PROPORTION, UM, THROUGHOUT.
SO THE PARA PIT ACTUALLY RUNS THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND IT IS A CUSTOM, IT IS A CUSTOM FLASHING THAT IS APPLIED TO THE, TO THAT, TO THAT PARA PIT ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, SO THERE IS A WAY TO, TO DO THAT, UH, TO HAVE THAT SETBACK AND TO STILL CREATE AN INTERNAL GUTTER.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT.
UM, JUST 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT, IT JUST, IT, IT'S A REALLY FUNNY DETAIL AND IF YOU'VE BUILT IT BEFORE AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN I GUESS THAT'S IT.
IT HAS BEEN BUILT, UM, NOW IN THIS, IN THIS APPLICATION WHERE IT SURROUNDS A HOLE AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING, IT MAY NOT BE SHOWN IN THE DRAWING.
UM, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SLOPE THERE ON THAT FRONT PART, UM, TO REALLY GET THAT WATER OFF, OR NOT WANTING WATER TO SIT.
UM, MY PART, SOME OF MY PARTNERS IN THE OFFICE ARE AGAINST INTERNAL GUTTERS JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY AND YOU HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM IN THE END.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE WATER SITTING, GETTING, ACTUALLY GETTING INTO THE WALLS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO WATERPROOF THIS.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A, A WATERPROOFING ISSUE, BUT IT CAN BE A WATERPROOFING ISSUE IF IT'S NOT DONE RIGHT.
UM, OUR FIRM IS NOT JUST THE ARCHITECT, WE'RE ALSO THE CONTRACTOR.
SO WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY.
BUT YES, I, WE WILL, WE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA TAKE A LOOK INTO THAT.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO I, I, I SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER BOWMAN'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT USING, UH, A MEMBRANE AS WELL AS THE FLASHING THERE TO, UH, LIKE A SELF ADHERING MEMBRANE.
BUT TO, TO GET BACK TO THE, THE BIGGER, UH, STORY HERE, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE RESPONSES Y'ALL HAD TO MY, UH, COMMENTS AT THE LAST DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, THEY, THEY CAME IN ORIGINALLY WITH THE, I GUESS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKAGE WITH, UH, SOME LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS THAT WERE FACING TOWARDS THE STREET.
I THINK THE RESPONSE NOW, UH, FEELS MORE KIND OF CARRIAGE HOUSE LIKE, UM, THE OVERALL MASSING OF IT, UH, RECALLS THE ORIGINAL, UH, GARAGE THAT WAS THERE.
THE SIMPLIFICATION OF THE, THE FOOTPRINT BY INTERNALIZING THE, THE LITTLE KITCHENETTE IS A NICE MOVE.
AND THE, THE SHIFTING OF THE MATERIAL PALETTE FROM THE BRICK TO THE WATERFALL SIDING, UH, KEEPS THE HIERARCHY OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE MAIN HOUSE IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO I, I THINK THIS HAS COME A LONG WAY AND I'M, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF, OF THE DESIGN.
I THINK THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT THE, THE GLASS STAIRCASE.
UH, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE STEEL, UH, TREADS AND RISERS.
I THINK THAT'S VERY PRACTICAL.
I HAVE A 1930 HOUSE THAT HAS STEEL, UH, CAST IRON, UH, RISERS AND, UH, TREADS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF.
UM, BUT I THINK THE GLASS RAILING NEEDS SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UM, WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION THAT YOU RETURN TO STAFF WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THE HANDRAIL DESIGN, THE, THE GLASS HANDRAIL DESIGN AND, UH, WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS WITH THEM ON THAT.
ANY DISCUSSION? JUST, JUST ASK THE STAFF.
DO WE HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF ANY GLASS RAILINGS? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU, YOU
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DID AN EXTENSIVE GREAT WORK ON YOUR EXAMPLES.UH, NO, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY GLASS RAILING EXAMPLES AND JUST THE, UH, GLASS RAILING AROUND THE POOL, ONE HOUSE DOWN FROM ME.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 12, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 55 AT 5 0 7 CEDAR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT NO PORTION OF THE FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AT ANY LOCATION MEASURED FROM GRADE TWO, THAT THE FENCE LINE TURNED BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY TO MEET THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
THE DRIVEWAY GATE SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE PLANE OR REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN.
AND THREE, THAT THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE ROT IRON FENCE FEATURE A SIMPLE PICKETED AND RAILING CONFIGURATION, TOPPED WITH TRADITIONAL FINIALS MONOGRAMS AND ADDRESS PLATES SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
THE FINAL DESIGN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO INSTALLATION APPLICANT.
MY NAME IS MARY ANN SNYDER AND MY HUSBAND MATTHEW SNYDER IS HERE.
WE'RE THE OWNERS OF 5 0 7 CEDAR STREET.
SO THE MAIN REASON WHY WE WANTED TO BUILD, UH, THE IRON FENCE AROUND THE HOUSE IS, UM, WE HOPE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY FULLY ENCLOSED WHILE MAINTAINING THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SIMILAR FENCES AND GATES AROUND THE HOUSE.
UM, WE HAVE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR 14 MONTHS AND HAVE BEEN BURGLARIZED THREE TIMES.
UM, SO, UM, THE MAIN REASON IS FOR SAFETY.
WE DO HAVE AN ADVERTISED SECURITY SYSTEM AND MULTIPLE SECURITY CAMERAS, WHICH HAVE NOT ACTED AS A DETERRENT TO THE CRIMINALS.
UM, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS JUST FOR STIPULATION.
UM, NUMBER TWO, IT SAID THAT THE FENCE TURNED BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY TO MEET THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THE DRIVEWAY GATE SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE PLACE, OR REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN.
SO IN ORDER TO HAVE IT FULLY ENCLOSED, WE NEED TO HAVE THE GATE UP AT THE FRONT.
IF IT'S IN THE BACK, WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE A, A SLIDING GATE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU GUYS FOR THAT CONSIDERATION TO LET US DO THAT.
TYPICALLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UM, AND STAFF, I BELIEVE HAS THIS RIGHT, THAT THE, UM, FENCES TURN BACK ALONG THE DRIVEWAY BACK AND HAVE THE GATE AT THE, UH, CORNER OF THE HOUSE OR SLIGHTLY BACK FROM THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THROUGH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A SLIDING GATE, BUT, UH, YOU COULD HAVE A SWINGING GATE AT THAT LOCATION.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ENCLOSE THE, UH, FRONT DOOR AREA SAID YOU HAD EXAMPLES OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
IS THAT ON THE SAME BLOCK? YES.
I THINK I INCLUDED IT IN THE APPLICATION.
NO, THAT, UH, THOSE WERE FROM ONLINE.
THAT ONE IS FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE HAD ASKED FOR THE, UM, THE ADDRESS ON THE GATE, BUT THEY SAID NOT TO INCLUDE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TOO IMPORTANT TO US.
WE JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE A GATE AROUND THE HOUSE.
BUT THAT ONE IS ON CEDAR STREET ALSO.
I INCLUDE THE ONE THEIR GATE, BUT THEY ALSO HAD A GATE.
AM I ABLE TO SHOW MY PHONE TO THEM ON THIS PHONE? SO, TO THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT SAID, WHAT ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR? WERE YOU STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, THE FRONT DOOR AND CLOSED BECAUSE COULD HAVE THE GATE GO ALONG THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THE HOUSE, RIGHT? I THINK, OR JUST ASKING FOR THE SLIDING OR THE SWINGING GATE TO BE BE FURTHER BACK? YES.
SO I, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MR. FAM, I TOLD HIM IF WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE THE SLIDING GATE, THEN I GUESS WE WOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE A SWINGING GATE.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD STILL BE OKAY, LIKE IF IT WAS ELECTRONIC SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF OUR CARS TO GET OUTTA THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT THAT ONE IS ON BARBIE STREET, SO THEY HAVE A SLIDING, UM, GATE, AND THAT ONE IS ON CEDAR STREET, AND THAT ONE IS
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A SLIDING GATE ALSO.AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MONOGRAM, UM, ON THEIR GATE FOR THE ONLY TWO THAT I TOOK PICTURES OF.
UH, AND MR. HALL, CAN YOU GO TO PICTURE 14? HOW FAR DOES YOUR, UM, LOT GO ON THE WEST, ON THE LEFT SIDE? WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE FENCE ALONG THERE? SO TO THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S ALSO A FENCE, A WOODEN FENCE THAT GOES BACK, UM, PROBABLY HALFWAY DOWN THE DRIVEWAY IS WHERE IT STOPS.
AND THAT SEPARATES US FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
YEAH, EXACTLY WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN'S POINTING AT.
SO THE BRICK, WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE FENCE? WOULD YOU MOVE THAT WE WOULD ATTACH TO THAT AS THE CAST IRON OR WROUGHT IRON COMING OUT.
IT'LL BE LIKE ABOVE THAT KIND OF, YOU CAN SAY ABOVE IN TERMS OF HEIGHT.
WELL, THE GATE IS FLUSHED WITH THE BRICK.
THE, THE, ANOTHER GATE, THE, UH, FENCE WOULD BE FLUSHED WITH THE BRICK.
SO IDEALLY WE WOULD COME ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK.
BRICK THE WAY I THINK WHAT YOU MEAN IS ALONG THE BRICK EDGING.
IT WOULD COME ALONG THE BRICK EDGING BASED ON THE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND EDWARD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE SIDE FENCE ALONG THE DRIVE BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE COULD BE AT SIX FEET, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT IT BE SET BEHIND, UH, THE FIRST GANG OF WINDOWS OR THE FIRST GROUPING OF WINDOWS, UH, WHERE IT APPEARS THE WRAPAROUND PORCH HAS BEEN ENCLOSED.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE, THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WOULD NATURALLY END.
WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, THE SIX FOOT TALL HEIGHT IN THERE.
WE DON'T NEED IT TO BE SIX FEET HIGH.
BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT FOUR FEET, BUT YOU WANT IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
FOUR OR FIVE FEET, BUT YES, UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I DO, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INCIDENTS.
I HAVE FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NOT THE SAFEST RIGHT NOW
SO I, I REALLY DON'T MIND SEEING THAT THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THAT IN THAT AREA.
AS SOMETHING THAT I THINK MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE.
WHAT ABOUT THE MONOGRAM? DID WE ADDRESS THAT? UH, WELL, WE SAID WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT IF, IF IT'S A PROBLEM.
WE JUST REALLY WANT THE GATE AROUND THE HOUSE.
WHAT KIND OF DESIGN HAVE YOU LIKE BLACK WRITER.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
PROBABLY NOT QUITE AS ORNAMENTAL.
SO, UM, THE, THE PICTURES OF THE ONES THAT WE HAD ON MY PHONE, UM, I ASKED IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THEY MEANT BY MORE SIMPLE TRADITIONAL.
SO I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THEN WE MAY KEEP THAT STIPULATION K THAT STAFF HAS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN JUST, UM, GO WITH STAFF AND WITH A FINAL DESIGN OR FINAL BEFORE YOU GO AND BUY ANYTHING.
WE WERE OKAY WITH THE STIPULATION ONE AND THREE, BUT WE WERE, UM, ASKING ABOUT THE, THE WHOLE WRAPAROUND GATE FOR STIPULATION TWO STAFF.
UM, THE, THE, UM, ITEM I IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE FRONT LINE OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND ITEM J IS REFERRING TO WHAT'S BEHIND THE FRONT LINE OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I I, IF, UM, IF WE COULD HAVE THOSE TWO CLARIFIED, I COULD MAKE A MOTION.
UM, I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, I MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THEFT.
STIPULATION I AND K ARE ONE AND THREE.
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SECOND MOTION AND SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST, JUST THAT J UM, JUST LIKE I SAYS, FOUR FEET THAT JAY SHOULD SAY, SHOULD STIPULATE THE HEIGHT THAT IS THIS MOTION DOES NOT INCLUDE JAY, BUT THE MOTION ALLOWS FOR A DRIVEWAY GATE.
AND SO HE'S ASKING WHETHER OR NOT THE STIPULATION FOR FOUR FEET SHOULD ALSO APPLY TO THE GATE, WHICH WE WOULD ASSUME THERE'S FOUR FEET AND HIGH AT ANY LOCATION.
AT ANY LOCATION ON STIPULATION I.
BUT I, ISN'T IT JUST COMMON CODE THAT, UH, BEHIND THE FRONT LINE THE FENCE CAN BE HIGHER? OR IS THAT WHY IT'S NOT INCLUDED? BECAUSE IT'S COMMON CODE THAT THEY COULD BE FIVE FEET BEHIND THE FRONT LINE OF THE FACADE.
AS IN THE MOTION THE DRIVEWAY GATE WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE AT FOUR FEET AT THE SIDEWALK.
WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO PUT, WE'RE NOT, WE ARE ACTUALLY APPROVING.
WELL, THE MOTION WOULD APPROVE THEM TO HAVE A FOUR FEET SLIDING GATE AT THE SIDEWALK, BUT NOTHING PROHIBITS THEM FROM PUTTING A FIVE FOOT AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AT THE, AT THE, WHERE THE WRAPAROUND PORCH TURNS.
'CAUSE THIS WAS AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THEM IS THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR THAT SECURITY MEASURE.
OH, RIGHT WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE, YES.
YOU AGENDA ITEM B 13 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 89 2 10 EAST RIDGE HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, EDWARD, FOR B 13, WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM TO BE HEARD.
VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE HAS SIGNED IN, BUT I BELIEVE SHE HAS LEFT AND SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
AND, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION'S KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKETS IN REGARDS TO TWO 10 EASTRIDGE.
ITEM B 14 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 65 1 47 CROFTON.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD PORCH DECKING WITH COMPOSITE DECKING.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING PORCH DECKING IN KIND WITH WOOD TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING FEATURING DIMENSIONS OF ONE INCH BY THREE INCHES.
OH, CAN WE DELIVER THIS TO THEM? YEAH.
MY NAME IS ROBERTO TREVINO AND I'M THE OWNER OF 1 4 7 CROFTON.
AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A, UH, PORCH FLOOR, UH, NATURE'S ELEMENTS BATTER IT WITH RAIN, WITH SCORCHING SUN AND DIRT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE HUMAN AND, AND ANIMALS THAT COME UP AND BRING MUD, DIRT, AND, UH, WE EVEN HAVE CATS THAT COME UP AND POOP ON OUR PORCH.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING, UM, AGAIN, TO CONSIDER OUR OPTION, THE SECOND FACTOR IS THAT, UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE RETIRED AND, UM, THIS, THIS PORCH HERE, EVERY, EVERY THREE YEARS, WE SPEND CLOSE TO $12,000 REPAIRING AND FIXING UP THESE, UH, ROTTEN WOODS.
AND, UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, OR, OR HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS, THIS IS A TOMB, A A GROOVE IN TONGUE, UM, COMPOSITE WOOD, VINTAGE WOOD, AND, UM, I'LL, I'LL PASS THIS AROUND.
IT'S JUST AS SIMILAR AS THE WOOD THAT YOU SEE ON THERE.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, THIS COULD BE A ONE-TIME FIX AND, UM, AND WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CONTINUE ON WITH OUR, WITH OUR PROPERTY, UH, RESTORATION THERE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE $14,000 OF CONTINUAL MAINTENANCE? WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF MAINTENANCE IS THAT ANNUALLY IN? IT'S, UH, WELL IF YOU SEE THE, THE, THE WOOD ROTTENS.
SO WE, WE HAVE TWO BALCONIES AND, UM, SO, UM, EITHER THE RAILS, THE WOOD, UM, EITHER THE SECOND STORY, THE FIRST STORY, AND, UM, SO IT'S BEEN CONSTANT REPAIRS OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS AT $2,000, BUT IT ALL
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ACCUMULATES, UH, ON THIS PROJECT WE'RE SPENDING CLOSE TO 58,000 TRYING TO RESTORE BOTH.WELL, THE TOP, WE'RE NOT MOVING, WE'RE NOT REPLACING, IT'S THE WOOD.
IT IS JUST, UH, THE FIRST LEVEL THAT WE'RE HOPING TO RESTORE WITH THIS VINTAGE, UH, WOOD REPLICA.
AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN SIZE BETWEEN WHAT YOU HAVE AND THIS, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE? THE, THE SIZE IS THE SAME, IS TONGUE AND GROOVE.
SO TYPICALLY THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES REQUEST THAT YOU, YOU REPLACE IN KIND WITH THE SAME MATERIAL, RIGHT? UH, AS, AS WHAT'S THERE HISTORICALLY.
UM, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE ENCOUNTER NOWADAYS IS THE, THE WOODS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH ARE NOT OLD GROWTH WOODS.
AND, UM, WHEN THEY'RE IN THESE HORIZONTAL CONDITIONS ARE VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO ROTTEN DETERIORATION.
SO I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE, TO THE CLIENT'S, UH, REQUEST HERE.
I, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND APPROVE.
SO SORRY, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE TOP FLOOR.
SO YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THERE? NO, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT.
WHAT IS, SO YOU'VE ALREADY REMOVED JUST THE RAILS? WE ARE, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
NO, NO, IT'S ALL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE, BY THE HISTORICAL OH, LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE? YEAH.
SO WHAT'S THE DECKING HERE? IT'S LIKE ROOF DECKING OR IT, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A WOOD AND THEN IT'S A, IT'S A, A TOP LAYER OF A, OF A, OF LAMINATED, UH, STEEL.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SOLDERED SEAM, UH, ROOF OF SOME SORT.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SOLDERED SEAM ROOF OF SOME SORT THERE.
THE SECOND STORY ISN'T PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THAT WAS JUST IN THE GROUP OF PHOTOS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
AND THEN I DO WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THE APPLICATION OR THE FINDING SAID YOU WERE GONNA INSTALL ONE BY FIVE, BUT YOU WERE INSTALLING ONE BY THREE, CORRECT? THE WHAT NOW? THE, THE FLOOR? YEAH, I DO YOU HAVE THOSE? THE, THE MEASURE STUDY.
SO, SO, UM, THE BROCHURE THAT STAFF LOOKED AT IN THE FINDING THERE THAT WAS SUBMITTED INCLUDED THE DIMENSIONS OF ONE BY FIVE.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT'S AGREEING OR NOTING THAT THEY'LL SUBMIT A ONE BY THREE STAFF FINDS THAT MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, STAFF WOULD ALSO NOTE, UM, THAT THE SECOND AND THIRD PARTS OF THAT, UM, STIPULATION IS THE, UM, NOT HAVING A FAUX WOOD GRAIN, SO A SMOOTH FINISH AND, UH, A STANDARD COLOR.
UH, SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND I BELIEVE THIS PRODUCT DOES HAVE THE FAUX WOOD, WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE.
THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA BE MY SECOND QUESTION IS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD DO A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AS THE SAMPLE THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, ONE BY THREE WITH THE FAUX GRAIN.
SECOND, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CUT SHEET THAT SAYS READ BEFORE ORDERING ONE INCH THICK BY THREE THREE EIGHTS.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION IF THE COMMISSION CLARIFIED IF THAT WAS WITH WOOD GRAIN OR WITHOUT WOOD GRAIN? WITH AS THE SAMPLE THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY? YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AGENDA ITEM B 15 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 0 1 9 0 9 NORTH PINE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A CARPORT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THE CARPORT WILL FEATURE PARKING FOR ONE AUTOMOBILE AND TWO TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING MASONRY UNITS THROUGHOUT THE FRONT YARD.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, CARPORT CONSTRUCTION AS PROPOSED THE CARPORT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
CARPORT SHOULD MEET ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND FOR ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL BRICK COMP CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN AND LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS.
BEFORE WE PROCEED, UM, I BELIEVE OUR RECORDING IS ONLY GOING TO PICK UP ONE OF THOSE NAYS ON THE PREVIOUS VOTE.
WHO WAS THE OTHER NAY BESIDES JOHN LA AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
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HI, ES WITH TERRA MARCO, RIN HOLMES AT 9 0 5 NORTH PINE PLAN.THE HOUSE, UM, THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THE CAR FOR IS, UH, LOCATED IN OUR, UH, PINE HAYES PROJECT, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF PINE AND HAYES AT THE SAME SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION WHERE OUR, UH, ACTUAL, ACTUAL HEADQUARTERS ARE AT.
UH, SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS THE, FROM THE PRIVATE DRIVE WE HAVE THERE, SO WE ORIGINALLY CAME, WE ORIGINALLY, UH, GOT OUR C O A AND LAST FALL, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY IN NOVEMBER SEVEN, UM, 2018.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE BUILT A HOUSE, UM, AND HAVE ACTUALLY GOT IT UNDER CONTRACT.
SO THE HOME BUYER CAME TO US ASKING FOR, UM, A CARPORT.
UM, WE THEN REACHED OUT TO O H P AND YEAH, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HERE.
THEY, SO THE, THE ORIGINAL, UH, C O A, UM, DID, DID MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, I GUESS IF I GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HELLO? OH, SORRY.
UM, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE, THE FACADE WAS THE BUILDING SETBACK, WHICH WAS 34 6 INCHES.
SO WHAT WE PRESENTED WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE THE, THE, THE LANGUAGE AND THE C O A DID SAY, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE FRONT FACADES OF NEW BUILDINGS ARE TO ALIGN WITH FRONT FACADES OF ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING, THE, UM, THAT WE HAVE PROPOSAL 3, 4, 6, UH, UH, SETBACK AND THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO WHEN WE PRESENTED, WHEN WE PRESENTED, UH, THE, THE DESIGN, UM, WE WERE KIND OF LITTLE TAKEN BACK FROM, FROM THAT.
I GUESS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOW IS TO PUSH THAT CARPORT TO THE, TO WHERE THE PA UH, I GUESS H THE PLANE OF THE HOUSE, OF THE, OF THE DOOR IS, WHICH IS SIX FEET BACK, WHICH WOULD BE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE RIGHT TO THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE.
SO THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT, UM, AND WHAT WE PROPOSE IS A 20 BY 10, 20 BY 10 CARPORT ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD ALIGN WITH THE, THE, THE, THE PORCH.
AND THEN WE ADDED SOME RAFTER TAILS JUST TO KIND OF MATCH, UH, THE EXISTING RAF RAFTER, UH, ELEMENTS ON OF THE, OF THE PORCH.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE, UM, CAN THANK YOU.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE 10 FEET, UH, 10 FOOT HIGH WITH A SLOPE KIND OF GOING TOWARDS THE STREET, UM, ONTO, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY CUTOUTS.
WE HAVE SOME, WE, WE CUT SOME DR UH, SOME CUTOUTS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IT CAN BE PERVIOUS, IT'S DETACHED.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE WITH, UM, THESE KIND OF CARPORTS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE HOMES.
SO WHAT WE WERE, UM, I GUESS PROPOSING IS A DETACHED METAL CARPORT THAT WILL THEN BE, UH, VENEERED WITH IN WOOD JUST SO IT CAN MATCH THE, THE HOUSE AESTHETIC AND, AND KIND AND STRUCTURE AS WELL.
SO WE DID IT, YOU KNOW, OUR, WE DID A LITTLE VIDEO THAT KINDA SHOWS, UH, US COMING, UM, SOUTH ON
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ON PINE.THIS IS THE, THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT TO OUR, UM, LEFT.
AND ONCE THE, THE CARPORT WOULD BE THERE, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY VISUALLY SEE IT FROM THAT PART UNTIL OF COURSE YOU KIND OF GET MORE IN FRONT OF IT.
WE WOULD LOVE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO PUSH THAT BACK, UH, MORE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU, IF YOU COULD SEE, BUT THE HOUSE HAS SOME, THE HOUSE HAS SOME, SOME STAIRS THAT ARE GOING TO THE SIDE DOOR AND, AND, AND YOU, AND WE CAN'T PUSH IT.
AND RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH THE, THE CARPORT BEING AT THE FRONT OF THAT PORCH, IT'S ONLY GONNA COVER, YOU KNOW, 75% OF IT, OR 80% OF IT.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, EXPOSED, UH, CAR ON THERE.
UM, IT, SO BASICALLY WE, IF WE DON'T PUSH THIS BACK, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS, UM, LENGTH, UM, IT, IT REALLY WON'T BE A CARPORT.
IT'LL BE MORE OF A, A, YOU KNOW, A COVER SHED.
COULD YOU ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING, UH, ITEMS AS WELL? YES, OF COURSE.
SO THE LANDSCAPING, UM, I THINK IT WAS A KIND OF A MIX UP.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAD SENT, UH, O H P HAD REQUESTED, UH, A KIND OF AN EX, UH, SOME DESIGN.
SO WE SENT A DESIGN, THE ORIGINAL, UM, DESIGN HAD KIND OF SQUARE RECTANGLES, I'M SORRY, KIND OF AS BEDS.
AND, AND WHEN WE DID THAT, YES.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE PRESENTED THAT, UM, I, I THINK O H P WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA USE THE EXACT SAME, THE EXACT SAME BRICK THAT WAS THERE.
SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DECIDED WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE A, A SOFTER KIND OF STONE.
AND WE WENT WITH, CAN YOU GO TO MY PRESENTATION? THANK YOU.
AND SO WE WENT WITH THESE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, I UNDERSTAND ARE NORMALLY USED IN, UM, MORE LIKE IN RETAINING WALLS, BUT IT'S NOT A RETAINING WALL, IT'S A PLANTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO COVER THE, THE SLOPE OF THE, OF, OF THE LAND, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF, IT MADE OUR, OUR SLAB KIND OF TALL.
AND SO WE DECIDED TO PUT THAT PLANTER THERE TO KIND OF SOFTEN THAT ENTRY.
AND THEN I THINK THE STONE KIND OF HELPED IT.
I THINK IF WE WOULD'VE PUT THE, THE EXACT BRICK AS RIGHT THERE IN THE PLANTER, I THINK IT WOULD'VE ACTUALLY MADE THAT HOUSE LOOK LIKE IT WAS MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK THESE CONCRETE, UM, BLOCKS, UM, AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I CAN SEE POSSIBLY LIMESTONE BLOCKS.
AS OPPOSED TO THESE CONCRETE BLOCKS.
UH, I DON'T SEE THAT THE HOUSE NECESSARILY NEEDS THE SAME BRICK AS THE WHAT'S UP ON THE, UH, THE COLUMNS.
BUT I THINK THESE, UM, CONCRETE BLOCKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY TRY TO MIMIC REAL STONE YES.
UH, AREN'T QUITE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN FACT, THE GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT USE OF THIS TYPE OF MATERIAL.
WELL, THE, I I LOOKED THROUGH THE, UM, THE, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, AND I THINK THERE IS A PICTURE IT, BUT IT'S UNDER THE FENCE AND WALL GUIDELINES, NOT UNDER THE LANDSCAPING GUIDELINES.
SO THE LANDSCAPING GUIDELINES, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT PAVER RE PAVER, PAVER STONES, OR RETAINING WALL STONES.
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THE, IN THE, IN THE, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, UM, SECTION I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS, THE, IT, IT IS, SO IT'S IN THE GUIDELINE SIDE ELEMENT SECTION TWO, FENCE AND WALLS.AND IT DOES SH IT DOES SAY KEYSTONE OR INTERLOCKING RETAINING WALL SYSTEMS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A RETAINING WALL, IT'S NOT BEING USED IN THAT CONTEXT.
WE ARE USING IT AS A, A PLANTER BOX.
SO LET'S JUST GO BACK, UM, YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF THESE HOMES.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST TIME GO AROUND.
SO THIS IS TWO MISUNDERSTANDINGS FOR THE GUIDELINES.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAYBE BEFORE DOING IT, YOU COULD HAVE SAID, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE GUIDELINES THAT STAFF USED TO NOT RECOMMEND, WE DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS EVEN BUILT IF IT WASN'T RECOMMENDING DID WE APPROVE THIS LANDSCAPING.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T SPECIFY THE SPECIFIC MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE USED.
STAFF LOOKING AT THAT, ASSUMED THAT IT WAS BRICK.
UM, AND THEN THE C M U PRODUCT WAS INSTALLED, UM, WHICH WOULD BE SEEN IN, UH, PROBABLY MUCH MORE OF A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION THAN WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FETZER.
NOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, IF I RECALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CONCERN WAS, UM, PARTLY THAT THERE WAS ALSO SOME MORE STONE AROUND IT.
SO IT MAY BE THERE WOULD BE OKAY WITH JUST THE, THE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE, YOU'RE USING THE STONE AROUND.
THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN EITHER SEEING IT AROUND THE TREES IN THE FRONT, SO USING IT A LOT MORE THAN WHAT YOU ACTUALLY HAD SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO.
I SEE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I THINK THAT WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN GO, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IF, IF POSSIBLE, WE CAN LEAVE THE PLANTER BOX WHERE IT IS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN TAKE AWAY THE ONES, UH, ON THE TREES.
AND THEN LET'S, LET'S GO BRING DOWN, LET'S GO BACK.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS NOT TO HAPPEN FOR THE OTHER 13 PROPERTIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SELL OR HOW MANY THERE ARE ON THAT BLOCK OR HOW MANY YOU'RE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS MISUNDERSTANDINGS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET THIS MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
AND THIS IS ALSO GONNA, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY USE THIS IN THE OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL.
SO I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LEUNE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY USE ON, UM, HISTORIC HOMES.
MAYBE YOU'LL FIND EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACCEPTS IT.
I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA BE USING IT IN THE OTHER HOMES AS WELL.
AND THEN ON THE CARPORT, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE, YOU PUTTING IT BACK.
I DON'T SEE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING IN THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU HAVE THE STEPS, ACTUALLY, IF I WAS LIVING THERE AND I WAS STANDING AT THE STEPS, I WOULD HAVE THE CARPORT GO FURTHER THAN WHERE I'M STANDING, BECAUSE IF IT'S RAINING, THEN I'M NOT HAVING RAIN COMING IN DOWN MY FACE.
SO I WOULD MOVE IT FURTHER BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE FENCE.
I IT, THE FENCE, IT'S, IT IS BEING COVERED.
IT, IT IS, UH, COVER COVERING THE, THE ENTRY, THE DOOR ENTRY.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO SAYING THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS FROM THE BEGINNING WITH SOME OF THE FOUNDATION INSPECTION AND OTHER ITEMS. CAN STAFF RELATE TO THAT? YEAH.
UM, SO AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP AT TRAINING, BUT THERE IS A NEWER PROCESS FOR FOUNDATION INSPECTIONS.
UH, PRIOR TO THIS PRACTICE, THERE WAS NO, UH, VERIFICATION IN THE FIELD WHEN FORM WORK WENT IN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE APPROVED SETBACKS WERE BEING MET.
AND SO THAT IS A, A REQUIREMENT, UM, TO ISSUANCE OF A C O A.
UM, RECENTLY WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS INTERNALLY, SO WE'RE ABLE TO FLAG THAT AT PERMITTING LEVEL AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENS.
THIS ONE FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
IT WAS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, UH, MAYBE MORE.
UM, AND SO ONCE WE ARE ALERTED, WE WERE ALERTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE APPROVED SETBACK AND WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND SO, SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO ONCE THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, BUT THE THING IS THAT IT IS AT 3, 4, 6 THAT YOU GUYS DID GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE.
AND IT IS AT 3, 4, 6 ISN'T CORRECT.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT WAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
A LOT OF TIMES IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE ALIGN, LIKE WE'RE ALIGNING, UM, A SITE PLAN DRAWING WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
BUT THOSE, UH, MEASUREMENTS WERE NEVER FIELD VERIFIED.
AND SO WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IS PROBABLY A ONE TO TWO FEET OFF OF WHAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
UM, BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM.
SO THE, THE HOUSE, UM, I DO WANNA NOTE, UH, THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT PER THE C O A AT
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3 4 6.WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WHEN THEY CAME AND SAW IT, THEY QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD PROVIDED FOR OUR MEDIAN SETBACK WAS OFF BY, I DON'T KNOW, A FOOT.
THE ONLY, THE BEST WAY WE CAN CAN MEASURE, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE MEDIANS ARE WITH, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE MAPS.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE MEETINGS FOR LIKE THREE MEETINGS, D R C, AND WE WERE LIKE NEGOTIATING FEET ON THAT, ON, WE ACTUALLY PUSHED OUR HOUSE BACK THE PORCH, ACTUALLY THE HOUSE STARTED AT 3, 4, 6.
BEFORE WE GET INTO, UH, DETAILS ON THESE ITEMS, UH, LET'S GET TO THE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.
YEAH, VALERIE CORTEZ RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR, UH, HERE REPRESENTING CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL.
I'LL BE READING FROM KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH THE PRO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN OF GREAT CONCERN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CARPORT BE DENIED AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
THE CARPORT COVERING SLOPES TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY SINCE THE CARPORT REQUESTED HAS SUPPORT STRUCTURE SITTING AT THE FRONT LINE AND ALREADY EXISTING DRAINAGE PROBLEM CAUSED BY THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND AN UNRESOLVED ELEVATION CHANGE ON THIS PROPERTY WILL ONLY WORSEN AND CAUSE FURTHER DAMAGE FOR THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH ZERO LOT LINE CONSTRUCTION, IF ALLOWED ON THIS LOT, WILL REQUIRE NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING WOOD.
THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE ALSO SITS IMMEDIATE, ADJACENT OR SLIGHTLY FORWARD OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE DRIP LINE OF THE ROOF.
ABOVE THIS PROBLEM COULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED WITH PROPER DESIGN THAT WOULD HAVE INCLUDED A BETTER PLAN 30 INCH HIGH SIDE EXIT STOOP FROM THE HOUSE.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THE FINAL H D R C APPROVAL ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2018 INCLUDED A PREPO FOUNDATION INSPECTION BY O H P TO CONFIRM FOUNDATION HEIGHTS AND SETBACKS.
THE APPLICANT DID NOT RECEIVE A PREPO INSPECTION INSPECTION AND BUILT THE FOUNDATION TO THIS HOUSE APPROXIMATELY FIVE TO EIGHT FEET IN FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE ON THE BLOCK.
ADDITIONALLY, WE REQUESTED LANDSCAPE ITEMS, IN FACT THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.
BUT CASEWORK DOES NOT MENTION THIS.
THE CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS C M U ARE NOT FOUND ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY PROJECTS IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE ALREADY COMPLETED INSTALLATION DOES NOT MITIGATE THE SETBACK VIOLATION, BUT ONLY EXACERBATES THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DUE TO THE FRONT SETBACK.
THERES DUE TO THE FRONT SETBACK, LANDSCAPING AND OTHER ISSUES.
THIS HOUSE UNFORTUNATELY ALSO VIOLATES GENERAL PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE OF THE GUIDELINES WHICH ENSURE THAT HISTORIC BUILDINGS REMAIN THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE DISTRICT.
JUST WANNA RECAP, THE FRONT SETBACK VIOLATION WAS NEVER RESOLVED BY THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY.
THE LANDSCAPE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT REVIEW, WITHOUT APPROVAL AND USES MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THE SETBACK IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE PLANTERS ARE EVEN CREATING A SMALLER SETBACK VISUALLY.
SO AS A BIT OF A RECAP, UM, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE FOUNDATION OR TO HAVE A SETBACK OF 34 6 OR 36 4.
UM, WHAT WAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWED THE FRONT EXTENT OF THE HOUSE BEING WITHIN THAT OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE MEASUREMENT WAS CORRECT.
WHAT WAS SHOWN TO THE COMMISSION VIA DIAGRAM WAS INCORRECT.
UM, A FOUNDATION INSPECTION WAS NEVER SCHEDULED, SO STAFF WASN'T ABLE TO INSPECT THE FOUNDATION.
STAFF THEN REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND ASKED THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO SEE HOW THAT MAY BE MITIGATED FROM VARIOUS VANTAGE POINTS UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH STAFF REVIEWED, ASKED FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THAT ASKED FOR ORNAMENTAL TREES TO BE INSTALLED.
STAFF DIDN'T DIRECT THE APPLICANT OR ASK THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL THE PLANTER THAT WAS ON THE APPLICANT TO MITIGATE THE HEIGHT OF THE POURED SLAB FROM THE STREET SINCE THERE'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.
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UH, AND THEN THIS IS HOW THIS AROSE WHEN STAFF WAS NOTIFIED THAT THERE WERE C M U UNITS INSTALLED RATHER THAN MORE OF A TRADITIONAL MODULAR MATERIAL.EVEN THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE HOW WE NO, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF.
HOW CAN YOU NOT, HOW CAN YOU NOT THINK THAT THE BRICK IS GONNA BE REUSED? I MEAN, THE MATERIAL.
SO THIS IS THE MOST, UM, THE LATEST, THE LATEST DESIGN THAT, UM, WE CAME UP WITH.
WE, WE KIND OF, THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY.
IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE THING WE, THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS JUST WE PITCHED THE, UM, WE PITCHED THAT, THAT CARPORT TOWARDS THE FRONT.
WE ANTICIPATED THE, THE DRAINAGE.
UM, I'M CONCERN, I'M GONNA DO THE MOTION.
I DON'T KNOW MY COMMISSIONERS.
I'M MOTION TO DENY THE CARPORT AND SEND, UH, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE PLAINTIFF TO D R C.
AND I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO HAVE MORE DETAILS ON EXACTLY WHAT WAS APPROVED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO ON THE UH, LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE TO GO TO D R C THEN, CORRECT.
AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I'M THE DESIGNER FOR THE CARPORT.
WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, UH, LIKE CHANGED? OH, OKAY.
AGENDA ITEM B 16 H D R CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 5 81.
ADDRESS, 1 34 CALLAHAN AND ONE 13 LAY STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK.
FOR 1 34 CALLAHAN REPLACE ALL EXISTING ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS WITH NEW MARVIN.
ELEVATE FIBERGLASS CLAD DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS.
REMOVE THE NON HISTORIC CHIMNEY.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK FOR ONE 13 LAY REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION AND SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.
REPLACE ALL EXISTING ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS WITH NEW MARVIN.
ELEVATE FIBERGLASS CLAD WOOD DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CONCRETE RIBBON.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WITH STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PROPOSED WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS.
IF AN ASSEMBLY IS DEEMED DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR BY THE H D R C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE NEW WINDOWS MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS AS DETAILED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE WINDOW SCHEDULE WITH PHOTOGRAPHS THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE LATE SUBMISSIONS.
THANKS SO MUCH RACHEL, AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND RACHEL FOR COMING OUT AND, AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PLANS, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO STRUCTURES.
THEY ARE ON ONE SINGLE PROPERTY, BUT HAVE TWO STREET ADDRESSES.
UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THEM SEPARATELY.
SORRY, I DIDN'T INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M EVAN MORRIS LAKE PLATO ARCHITECTS.
UM, SO IF WE START WITH THE, UH, THE CALLAHAN STREET HOUSE, IT'S THE LARGER OF THE TWO STRUCTURES.
UM, SO ON CALLAHAN STREET, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REAR ELEVATIONS HERE.
UM, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, PROBABLY FOUR MAJOR ADDITIONS, UM, AND, UH, QUITE A BIT OF KIND OF, UM, JUMBLED INTERIOR WORK.
AND SO WHILE WE HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY JUDICIOUS IN, IN OUR SORT OF PROPOSAL FOR EXTERIOR HOUSE, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO BRING THE HOUSE.
SO DO YOU MIND POINTING THAT MIC A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY? YEAH.
UM, SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, REQUESTING, UM, ARE TO THE FENESTRATION ONLY.
THERE ARE NO MASSING MODIFICATIONS TO EITHER STRUCTURES BEING PROPOSED.
UH, AND THE SATION CHANGES THAT WE'VE REQUESTED REALLY FOLLOW OUR DESIRE TO MAKE THIS HOUSE SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE CLIENT'S NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 60 OR A HUNDRED YEARS AS IT HAS FOR, FOR ANOTHER CLIENT PRIOR.
UM, AND SO, UH, AGAIN, NO MASSING CHANGES, BUT, BUT SIMPLY UPDATING THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, UH, SATION THAT THAT COINCIDE WITH, WITH, UH, UH, NEWLY CONFIGURED INTERIOR SPACES.
UM, AND, UH, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE SATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE SCALE, THE, THE SIZE, THE OPERATION, UH, AND THE MATERIAL OF THE
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EXISTING WOOD DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS, UH, JUST IN, UH, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, LOCATIONS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS.UM, AND, AND FRANKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HOUSE, UH, SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, AND, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSEQUENT FOUR OR SO, UH, UH, ADDITIONS, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME THE HOUSE HAS BEEN CONCEIVED IN A, IN A KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE OR A HOLISTIC MANNER.
AND SO, UM, I I, I, I HOPE I'M BEING MODEST IN SAYING, I THINK THE, THE ELEVATION, UH, MODIFICATION THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, PROPOSED ARE, ARE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE, TO THE PROPORTION AND THE COMPOSITION OF, OF AT LEAST THOSE SIDE ELEVATIONS.
YOU GO THROUGH BOTH STRUCTURES FIRST, I GUESS, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEY'RE MORE CONCERN, WHICH IS WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN KIND.
YOU WANNA GO THROUGH WHICH WINDOWS YOU'RE REPAIRING OR NON-REPAIRABLE, OR WHICH ONE YOU'RE REPLACING.
SO, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE SAYS THAT, UM, THEY WOULD, UH, UH, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, ELEVATION MODIFICATIONS WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS BE REUSED AND REPAIRED.
AND WHILE THAT'S, UH, CERTAINLY OUR INTENTION FOR THE FRONT, THOSE TWO BAY WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SYMMETRICAL FACADE ON THE FRONT, UM, IS CERTAINLY OUR INTENTION TO REPAIR THOSE AS IS, UH, THE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, WE'VE ACTUALLY PROPOSED DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZES, AND SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO REPAIR AND REUSE THE EXISTING WINDOWS BECAUSE THE SIZES AND LOCATIONS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.
WE GO TO THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, SO THAT'S THE EAST, I'M PULLING UP THE DRAWINGS IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS.
AND SO IF WE LOOK AT, UH, CALLAHAN EAST ELEVATION, CALLAHAN, WEST ELEVATION, UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, EXISTING, UM, FACADES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.
UM, MODIFYING A HISTORIC WINDOW.
THERE ARE THREE DOUBLE HUNGS IN TOTAL OVER THOSE.
WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS AND ALSO CHANGED THEIR SIZE AGAIN, TO CORRESPOND WITH THE, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE INTERIOR.
THERE IS ONE EXISTING STAINED GLASS WINDOW THAT, UH, WILL, WILL REMAIN, UH, AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE RESTORED.
UM, AND THEN THE BACK SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A THREE QUARTER 12 SHED ADDITION.
UH, WE'VE, UH, REMOVED THE NON HISTORIC, UH, PICTURE WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE AND REPLACED THEM WITH, UH, WITH WOOD DOUBLE HUNGS THAT, UH, ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN, UH, ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, YOU ONES THAT YOU'RE REMOVING, CAN'T YOU REUSE THOSE? I MEAN, I SEE TWO DOUBLE 1 0 1 AND ONE SINGLE 1 0 1.
SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE, UM, NOT THE APPROPRIATE SIZE TO MATCH THE WINDOWS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE INSTALLED ABOVE COUNTERTOPS AND BATHROOMS AND ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT, WHAT IS OVER THERE, ALL THE WAY TO BOTTOM ON THE WEST, THAT ONE.
UM, THOSE ARE LARGER WINDOWS OF THE SAME SIZE.
UM, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BE REUSED FROM THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN THE LEE STREET HOUSE, BUT ALSO IN THIS HOUSE ARE NOT GREAT.
UM, IT, IT COULD BE THAT WE COULD, UH, REPLACE, UH, OR USE THE WINDOWS EXTRACTED FROM ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE INTO THESE, UM, AND, AND WE'D, I, I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF, IF THE, THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS WOULD ALLOW IT.
I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FOR CONSISTENCY, UH, AT LEAST FOR ME, UM, I, I, MY, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR THERE TO BE A CONSISTENT WINDOW USED ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF EACH FACADE.
I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE OF COURSE, UH, UH, RESTORED HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE.
UH, BUT FOR ME, I, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A, A, EVEN IF IT WERE A NEW WOOD DOUBLE HUNG, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A CONSISTENT WINDOW
SO IF WE GO TO, TO THE LEE STREET PROPERTY, UM, MUCH SMALLER VICTORIAN COTTAGE, UM, THIS ONE, UH, THE WINDOWS ARE JUST IN REALLY POOR SHAPE.
WE, WE'VE ONLY, UH, REQUESTED AN EXTERIOR, UH, MODIFICATION TO THE, TO THE REAR FACADE OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE'LL ADD A, AN EXTERIOR, UH, DOOR AND PAIR OF WINDOWS.
UM, BUT, UH, THE REST OF THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE, AND I, I, I SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE THAT PULLED UP, UM, ON MONDAY.
UH, BUT I MEAN, WE, AGAIN, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE PROPOSED THE, THE RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE, UM, USING AS MANY OF THE SALVAGEABLE SASHES FROM THE REST OF
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THE HOUSE THAT, THAT WE CAN, UM, BUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS IN, IN MANY LOCATIONS, UH, IS, UH, IN MY OPINION, BEYOND REPAIR.I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS.
I REPAIRED ALL OF THE ONES IN MY HOUSE MYSELF.
UM, AND, UH, AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT'S ILLUSTRATED BY THE NUMBER OF MECHANICAL FASTENERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED TO TRY TO HOLD TOGETHER THE SASHES.
THERE'S DRYWALL SCREWS IN ALMOST ALL OF THEM.
THERE ARE BRACKETS IN SOME, THE MUTTONS ARE SO DETERIORATED THAT THE GLASS IS FALLING OUT.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE EXPECTATION TO RESTORE THE WINDOWS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, ARE BEYOND THE SORT OF REASONABLE MEANS FOR COST, UM, AND EFFORT ON, ON BEHALF OF THE CLIENT.
UM, SO HERE WE, AGAIN, WE, WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE, TO THE ELEVATIONS THEMSELVES.
UM, WE HAVE JUST REQUESTED TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS, UM, WITH THE SAME WINDOW WOULD DOUBLE HUNG OF THE SAME OPERATION, UM, THE SAME FOUR OVER FOUR, UM, JUST WITH A MODERN WINDOW.
HAS STAFF DONE A SITE VISIT? YES.
SO STAFF VISITED THE SITE, AND AFTER, UM, THE SITE VISIT AND THE SUBMISSION OF THESE WINDOW PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT SOME OF THE SASHES MAY REQUIRE PARTIAL TO FULL RECONSTRUCTION AND STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE RECONSTRUCTION.
BUT WE DON'T DEEM THEM TO BE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR.
YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, WOOD REPLACEMENTS TO MATCH.
YEAH, THE SPEC THAT I HAD SUBMITTED WAS FOR A FIBERGLASS CLAD ALL WOOD WINDOW.
THERE'S, I KNOW A LOT OF OPINIONS AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A CLOUD WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, MY RESPONSIBILITY, I KNOW IN ADDITION TO YOURS IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF, OF THESE HOUSES.
UM, I HAVE THE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE THAT OUR CLIENTS ARE HAPPY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROPOSED A CLAD WINDOW.
UNDERSTAND IF THAT, IF THAT'S NOT, UH, DEEMED APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LESS COST TO GO TO AN UNC CLAD ALLWOOD WINDOW.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, APPRECIATE THAT, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE, THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS ALL OF THESE CASES KIND OF ILLUSTRATE ROTS OUTSIDE, AND SO, UM, WE HAVE NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
WE HAVE NEW, NEW, UM, PRODUCTS AVAILABLE.
UM, WE TRY TO USE THEM AGAIN JUDICIOUSLY, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE APPROPRIATE AND, AND ESPECIALLY IN KIND OF VULNERABLE PLACES LIKE WINDOWS, UH, WE FIND THEM TO BE REALLY HELPFUL.
SO CAN STAFF, UH, BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE, UH, APPRO APPROPRIATENESS THAT THEY DEEM FOR THE WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS OF THE CALLAHAN? UH, YES.
SO FOR THE CALLAHAN ELEVATIONS, UH, WITH THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE NEW FENESTRATION IS IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC SIZE, UH, TYPE CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL FORM APPEARANCE IN DETAIL AS PER THE GUIDELINES.
SO WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WEST FACADE AND THE EAST FACADES SPECIFICALLY, ARE THOSE TWO, UH, THE, THE SIDING TO THAT, IS THAT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE? YES.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIDING.
I JUST MEAN, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL, IS THAT, OR IS THAT AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, OR IS THAT THE ORIGINAL BONES OF THE HOUSE? UM, SORRY, IF, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHERE EXACTLY YOU'RE DESCRIBING? THE EAST, THE EAST AND WEST FACADE SIDING FOR CALLAHAN.
SO THE EAST AND, AND WEST SIDES, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, WELL ON THE, THE WEST SIDE, THE SHED AND THE REAR OF THE, THE MASSING IS AN ADDITION.
EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF THAT IS THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, THE ENTIRETY OF THAT ELEVATION IS AN ADDITION.
IN FACT, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, IT WAS NOT THIS KIND OF SYMMETRICAL, UH, BAY WINDOW HOUSE.
IT ONLY HAD ONE, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, PAGE RIGHT.
THE SECOND ONE WAS ADDED, UM, IN THE SEVENTIES.
IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL ADDITION IN THAT IT'S A WELL COMPOSED ELEVATION, AND THEY DID A FAIRLY GOOD JOB MIMICKING THE, THE, THE RIGHT SIDE.
BUT THE WHOLE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY A, A, TECHNICALLY A NON HISTORIC ADDITION.
AND THEN THE, THE REAR SHED PIECES ARE THE KIND OF THIRD MAJOR ADDITION OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THOSE, UH, WERE, WERE SUBSEQUENT TO THE SORT OF LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE BEING ADDED IS, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, I GOT A LITTLE MIXED UP.
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS THE EAST SIDE.
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE SIDE IS THE EAST SIDE.
BUT THE CHIMNEY IS, IS THE ORIGINAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE OPPOSITE THE, WHERE THE CHIMNEY IS IS THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THE NON IT, THAT'S
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THE ADDED PORTION.THE WEST SIDE IS THE ORIGINAL.
AND SO, SORRY, LOOK AT THE DRAWING.
AND WE HAVE PROPOSED TO REMOVE IT AND HAS BEEN, UH, APPROVED BY STAFF.
UM, IT IS NOT A MASONRY CHINEY, IT'S A FRAMED, UH, WOOD STRUCTURE WITH A GAS AND SORT FIREPLACE INSIDE.
SO IT'S IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, CALLAHAN EAST.
THAT'S THE FACADE THAT'S COMPLETELY GO TO YOUR RIGHT, HUGH WITH A, WITH A MOUSE RIGHT THERE.
SO, UM, THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDING.
SO THE TREATMENT OF THE SIDING IN THESE WINDOW CASES IS WHAT IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN FOR ME? SO HOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY PENETRATING THE, THE SIDING IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ON, IN THE ORIGINAL FACADE, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO TAKING AWAY SOME FACADE ELEMENTS AND ADDING SOME NEW PENETRATIONS ON, UH, LET'S SAY AN ADDITION.
UM, SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THE SIDING TO, TO KIND OF TREAT THOSE AREAS AND SURE.
WHAT THE DETAIL IS THERE? YEAH.
SO, UM, IN A, IN A, A SUBTRACTIVE CONDITION WHERE WE'RE TAKING A WINDOW AWAY, THE SIDING WILL BE FEATHERED IN, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL SIDING.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE SAME PROFILE USED, UM, IN A, IN AN ADDITIVE SITUATION, WE'RE SIMPLY GONNA CUT, UH, UH, A, A NEW OPENING IN THAT WALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE SURE TO MOUNT THE WINDOWS TO THE INTERIOR SIDE SUCH THAT THE, THE RECESS OF THAT WINDOW MATCHES THE RECESS AND THE EXISTING, UM, NO NAILING FLAN WILL BE USED AT INSTALLATION.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, NEW, NEW TRIM TO MATCH THE EXISTING DIMENSIONS, WHICH IS FIVE AND A HALF ALL NEW OPENINGS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THE EAST FACADE, UH, GIVEN THAT IT WAS AN ADDITION, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FEATHERING IN THE AREA AROUND THE CHIMNEY AS WELL AND, AND DOING SOME ADDITIVE PUNCTURES THERE.
TO ME, I THINK THE EAST FACADE IS LESS OF A QUESTION.
I THINK THAT THAT ONE CAN BE MORE APPROPRIATELY HANDLED.
UM, I THINK IT'S THE WEST FACADE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE THREE OPENINGS THERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE TO THREE.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT, I'M SORRY, TWO.
SO YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE TO TH TO THREE.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY JUST TO THE COMMISSION, WE TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE TO PUNCTURE THESE EXISTING FACADES JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ADAPTABILITY OF GOING BACK, YOU KNOW, GOING, TAKING THAT STEP BACKWARDS AND, AND REVERSIBILITY OF THESE, THESE IDEAS.
SO TYPICALLY WE DO NOT, WE ARE VERY, HAVE A STRONG STANCE OF NOT DOING THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE EAST AND THE WEST FACADE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE.
YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I THINK HERE AGAIN, UM, THE DESIRE IS TO PREPARE THIS HOUSE FOR THE NEXT 50 OR A HUNDRED YEARS, THE, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FUNCTIONAL FOR OUR CLIENT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, AND PUT QUITE SIMPLY, THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH NATURAL LIGHTING IN THAT PORTION OF THE HOUSE, AND IT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE SORT OF UPDATES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE IS FUNCTIONAL FOR.
SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO MAIN MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
I HOPE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT IN, IN THE SORT OF VICIOUS WAY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PROPOSED TO MODIFY THE EXTERIOR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, THE, MY RESPONSIBILITY I THINK AS AN ARCHITECT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THESE GREAT STRUCTURES GET TO GET TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND GET TO BE WELL USED FOR A LONG TIME.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT WEST FACADE? THIS IS ONE WHERE I, I, I'D ALSO ADD, AND MAYBE THIS IS A BIT SUBJECTIVE, BUT THE WEST FACADE IS, IS, UM, BY FAR THE LEAST ATTRACTIVE FACADE IN THAT IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY BLEAK.
UM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
THIS IS THE PICTURE, RIGHT? NO, NO, THAT'S EAST.
SO I REALIZED THAT, THAT MY DRAWING OMITS A, UM, A RATHER POORLY PLACED NON HISTORIC, UH, PICTURE WINDOW THAT'S THAT HORIZONTAL, THAT SMALL HORIZONTAL THING THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO A, A LITTLE CLOSET.
UM, AND SO I REALIZED THAT OUR DRAWINGS, UM, MAY NOT INCLUDE THAT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANNA SEE.
WELL, I NOTICED THAT AND THEN I WANTED TO SEE THAT IT'S VERY, YOU CAN REALLY SEE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT PASSED THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE IN THE BACK.
SO MY CONCERN IS A LOT, UH, TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, ARE YOU MOVING THAT ELECTRICAL JUNK BUNKS, OR, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A WINDOW PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
NO, THE, THE, THAT FRONT ROOM THAT'S, YEAH, THE FRONT ROOM DOESN'T, DOESN'T RECEIVE ANY NEW WINDOWS.
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YOU START, SO ALL THE NEW SATION HAPPENS BASICALLY WHERE THOSE TWO EXISTING WINDOWS ARE BACK.WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW ATION.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
MAYBE WE CAN SAY THAT WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE GO FROM THERE.
YEAH, I THINK I COULD, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THAT TOO.
I ACTUALLY DO FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROBABLY DONE A GOOD CASE FOR REPLACEMENT ON THE WINDOWS ON THE LEASE PROPERTY.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T MIND, I WOULD KEEP WITH THE GUIDELINES WITH ALL WOOD, AS REPLACING IN KIND.
WE HAVE, UH, I THINK ONE OR TWO DONE THE CLAD, BUT SINCE THIS IS WOOD, WE DO REPLACE IN KIND.
I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE.
I, I ALSO WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE IT WAS, I MEAN, WE WILL PUT FOUR OVER FOURS IN, UM, UH, HAVE TO SORT OF COST THINGS OUT AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, SO DOES THE, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A A T D L OR AN S D L, UM, IN TERMS OF THOSE, THOSE MUTTON ARRANGEMENTS AND THE, AND THE YEAH, I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON ALL OF THE, UH, THE DETAILING OF THAT.
WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO, UH, WHENEVER YOU GET THOSE DETAILS, YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH THEM, ACTUALLY.
AND IT, AND IT IS, THAT'S, I WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS ACTUALLY.
BUT I THINK, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THE CALLAHAN EITHER WHICH WINDOWS YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE.
MAYBE YOU CAN JUST SUBMIT TO STAFF A VERY DETAILED PLAN ON WHICH ONES ARE BEING REPAIRED, WHICH ONES ARE BEING, UM, REPLACED IN KIND OF COURSE.
AND MAYBE THE SAME THING FOR LEE WITH A SPECIFICATION OF EACH WINDOW.
OR YOU WANNA TRY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
OH, ARE WE GOING BY ADDRESS, I GUESS ON THE CALLAHAN? UM, APPROVE.
THAT'S THE CHIMNEY, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT ABOUT, WELL, BECAUSE YEAH, ITEM AND FROM MODIFICATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE APPROVING ITEM ONE B WITH STIPULATION I AND UM, JUST ALSO UPDATED ELEVATIONS SHOWING THAT ON THE WEST ELEVATION YOU'LL START THE WINDOWS WHERE THE EXISTING, UM, ATIONS ARE ON THE LEE RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER A WASTE STIPULATION.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE STIPULATION OF THE WOOD METAL ALL WINDOWS THE, UH, THE METAL ROOF.
SO ITEM TWO A APPROVED WITH STIPULATION WELL AS ITEM TWO A AND B I'M, YEAH, APPROVING ITEM B ONLY WAS, HE WAS A PORCH DETAILING.
UM, AND THAT'S, AND UM, I THINK THE STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON HERE IS PERFECT.
WE, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT RAILING DETAILING, BUT IT IS TO BE, UH, REPLACED IN KIND OR REPAIRED, UH, IN SOME CASES AS WELL.
WELL, HERE ON THIS FINDINGS, IT SAYS THAT IT'S A WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
NO, YOU'RE, AM I WRONG? YOU'RE AT THE FINE.
NO, I'M ON ITEM TWO B I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVING ITEM FINDINGS TO, YEAH, SO THAT'S, I THINK, OKAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON ITEM TWO B.
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GOT IT.TWO B WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE WOOD, UM, THAT THE WINDOWS BE NON CLAD, ALL WOOD WINDOWS.
I AS STATED IN THE RECOMMENDATION WITH EVERYTHING, THE MEASUREMENTS, UH, THE SPECIFICATIONS AND ITEM APPROVE ITEM TWO C AND TWO D WITH STIPULATIONS.
COMMISSIONER GRUBE, ARE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS YOUR MOTION? SORRY, YES.
I, I MEANT WITH STIPULATION, NOT RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT? NO, I, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING.
AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S APPROVAL OF ALL REQUEST ITEMS WITH, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE RELATED TO FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS FOR THE CALLAHAN PROPERTY.
THAT STIPULATION IS LIMITED TO THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS AND NOT TO THE SIZE AND LOCATIONS OF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS.
SECOND, DO HAVE A MO WINDOW FENESTRATION ON THE LEE PROPERTY THAT I'M APPROVING.
YEAH, I THINK ONE ON THE REAR FACADE.
IT'S, YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S, I, I I WAS OKAY WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STAFF GOT THAT ONE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN I RESUBMIT FOR THE, THE SPECIFICATION FOR THE WINDOW DETAILING ALL OF THAT, IT'S JUST A STAFF, UM, THAT'S CORRECT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 18, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 82.
AT 1120 IOWA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE SEVEN EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS AND TWO TO ENCLOS, TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND INFILLED WITH WOOD SIDING.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, NOR ITEM TWO WINDOW REMOVAL.
BASED ON THE FINDINGS, ALL WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN PLACE.
THE LAST TIME THE FOUNDATION OF THIS HOME WAS, UH, FIXED WAS PROBABLY IN 1999.
THE HOUSE WAS REMODELED IN 1974.
THE WINDOW JAMS AND THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES ARE DETERIORATING.
THEY ARE CROOKED AND HARD TO OPEN AND CLOSE.
I'M 60, MY WIFE IS 60 AS WELL.
AND SHE HAS A DIFFICULT TIME IN LIFTING THOSE WINDOWS.
WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO HELP OURSELVES FIXING THESE WINDOWS.
WE WENT TO A SEMINAR ON THE 21ST OF SEPTEMBER DOWN AT THE PRO WHERE THEY HAD A MORE OR LESS D I Y CLASS WHERE, YES, THIS IS THE WAY YOU DO IT NOW, GO.
I'M REQUESTING THE WINDOWS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S MOVING FASTER AND QUICKER.
PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS WITHOUT HEARSAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, ASK FOR PERMISSION FIRST.
NO, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND JUST DO IT WITHOUT PERMISSION.
I'M SAYING IT BACKWARDS, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
IN OTHER WORDS, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS WITHOUT PERMISSION.
IT'S HAPPENING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET.
IT'S A HOTBED, IT'S A FLIPPING SECTION IN IOWA, ON IOWA STREET.
HOMEOWNERS ARE SELLING THEIR HOMES.
BUILDERS ARE COMING IN AND FIXING WINDOWS AS THEY RE AS THEY REQUEST REQUESTED.
YOU KNOW, I'M REQUESTING THE P WINDOWS 'CAUSE THEY'RE EASY TO LIFT, EASY TO OPEN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
I SUBMITTED PAPER PICTURES OF THE HOME NEXT TO MY HOME WITH THESE WINDOWS.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD NOTHING BACK SINCE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
LIKE I SAID, THE FOUNDATION MAKES IT HARD TO OPEN THOSE WINDOWS AND THEY'RE DETERIORATING REAL, REAL BAD.
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THE APPLICANT REFERENCES THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT 1118 IOWA, WHICH WILL BE HEARD AT THE NEXT AGENDA HEARING FOR WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL.HAS STAFF MADE A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THESE WINDOWS? YES.
AND YOUR REPORT STAFF FINDS THAT, UH, THEY ARE REPAIRABLE.
THE PICTURE YOU'RE SEEING AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH AT 1120 IOWA, IT HITS A ALUMINUM FRAME, WAS A WOODEN DOOR.
THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE IS MADE OF ALUMINUM AND THEN INSIDE IT'S, UH, WOODEN.
THAT STAFF SAW IT, THEY WOULD'VE NOTICED THAT.
SO WHY ARE YOU NOT GOING WITH ALL WOOD WINDOWS PELLA AS WELL? I'M GOING WITH NEW WINDOWS FOR SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY'RE EASIER.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OH, WHY AM I NOT GOING WITH THE OLD ONES? NO, NO, NO OLD, SORRY.
ALL WOOD WINDOWS FROM PELLA NEW, BUT ALL WOOD.
YEAH, THOUGH IT'S ALUMINUM, IT'S ALUMINUM FACING WITH WOODEN DOUBLE HUNG DOORS.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WOOD AS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ALSO NEW AND CAN BE OPENED EASILY? NO, I DIDN'T.
I JUST WENT, WHAT I SAW, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, SO THE FOUNDATION THAT'S MAKING THESE WINDOWS HARD TO OPEN, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE SOLVED WHEN YOU REDO YOUR WINDOWS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, UM, WHETHER YOU, UH, RENOVATE THE EXISTING WINDOWS, INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS, INSTALL ALUMINUM, CLOUD, WOOD WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, WHICH IF IT'S THE, THE, UH, WEIGHT, THEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE THE SAME WEIGHT WITH ALL THREE WOOD TYPE WINDOWS.
I'M DOING A WHOLE RENOVATION, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, FOUNDATION WHOLE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GET TO THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL TO BALANCE IT EVENLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO THINGS.
YOU GO 1, 2, 3, YOU DON'T GO 3, 2, 1.
SO ABSOLUTELY, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING OUR HOME, AND THAT'S WHY I'M REQUESTING THOSE WINDOWS.
SO I, UH, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO USE A, A COMPLIANCE CASE AS A REFERENCE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE SHOT DOWN HERE AT THE NEXT HEARING.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THE ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS FROM MARVIN, I MEAN FROM PELLA, YES.
SO BASED ON STAFF'S REVIEW OF THESE WINDOWS, STAFF HAS DONE THIS LIKE A TON OF TIMES.
THEY KNOW THESE WINDOWS INSIDE AND OUT.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN A QUOTE FROM ANYONE TO HAVE THESE WINDOWS REPAIRED? NO, I HAVEN'T.
LIKE I SAID, I WENT TO YOUR D I Y CLASS FOR WINDOWS ON THE 21ST OF SEPTEMBER.
SO WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF VERY SUCCESSFUL RENOVATIONS ON THESE WINDOW TYPES.
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST ASKING STAFF FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT HAVE DONE THIS SIMILAR PROJECT JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING THE BEST THING FOR YOURSELF.
YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION.
SO I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEN I WILL DEFER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR COMMENTS ON THE, WHETHER REPLACE IN KIND OR REPAIR.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I MEAN, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY THAT IF I CAN PROBABLY SEE 1 0 2 OF THESE WINDOWS, UH, COULD BE REPLACED, I WOULD EITHER SAY THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF OR GO BACK AND RETHINK WHICH ONES COULD BE REPLACED AND WHICH ONES COULD BE REPAIRED.
BUT WHEN WE TALK REPLACE, I WOULD REPLACE IN KIND SO WOOD WINDOWS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA, UM, WITHDRAW AND COME BACK, OR IF YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE SENT.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE DOING A FULL REMODEL.
I, THAT KIND OF INCLINES ME TO SAY I PROBABLY WANNA WAIT TO SEE A FULL PROJECT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE IN THE ENCLOSEMENT OF THAT WINDOW, THERE'S ALSO THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT ENCLOSEMENT OF ONE WINDOW.
AND THAT WINDOW, THERE'S NO PERP 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SUNLIGHT THAT COMES IN.
IT SAYS DARK WITH THE LIGHT OVER, THE LIGHT OFF 'CAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME.
SO YOU'RE ENCLOSING IT BECAUSE WHAT, THERE'S NO LIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO FUNCTION, NO REASON OF HAVING IT THERE.
WELL THEN JUST PUT A WALL ON THE INSIDE, THEN I WOULD LEAVE THAT WINDOW.
YOU CAN JUST PUT A WALL ON THE INSIDE, JUST LEAVE THE WINDOW AS IS.
UM, ONCE YOU TAKE ALL THOSE WINDOW GUARDS OFF AND ALL THAT, I THINK ALSO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF THE, OF THE STATE OF THE WINDOWS PURPOSE.
AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD GO BACK WITH, EVEN WITH PELLA AND SAY, OH, OR ANY OTHER BRAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD A REPLACEMENT OF WOOD, A FULL WOOD WINDOW? UM, THE COST IS NOT THE ISSUE.
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NEITHER IS THE PRICE.SORRY, I SAID THE THE PRICE ISN'T THE ISSUE.
WELL THEN, I MEAN I, WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, I MEAN, I, AND I WOULD BE INCLINED TO MOVE.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY I WOULD, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH REPLACING IN KIND OF THE FULL PROJECT IS A FULL REMODEL.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS A FULL PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE HOUSE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ALL THE REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN MAYBE, YEAH, WELL THEN THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPLACED.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THEY SHOULD BE REPAIRED.
BUT MAYBE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SHOW US ONE BY ONE WHICH ONE SHOULD BE REPLACED.
BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S A FULL PROJECT, THEN I WOULD RATHER WAIT FOR THE FULL PROJECT OR YOU PRESENT US THE FULL REMODEL.
DO I STILL NEED TO COME TO Y'ALL ABOUT THE REMODEL INSIGHT, THE FOUNDATION? NO, A LOT OF THE, UM, REMODEL, IF IT'S ALL AN INTERIOR, NOT HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION.
IF IT IS REPAIRING LIKE YOUR FOUNDATION AND, UH, PAINTING OR WOOD REPLACEMENT ON THE OUTSIDE IN KIND, UH, THAT COULD BE HANDLED WITH STAFF.
UH, SO IT'S THESE CHANGES THAT WOULD COME, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HEARING YOUR CASE TODAY.
SO JUST TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE ENCLOSING THAT WINDOW, UM, PREVIOUSLY YOU WERE HERE WHENEVER WE WERE DISCUSSING THE WINDOW REQUIREMENTS WITH THE PREVIOUS CASE, RIGHT? YES, I HEARD.
AND SO THE WAY THAT THEY DEAL WITH FEATHERING IN THE SIDING, MAKING SURE THAT THE SIDING IS CONSISTENT.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT YOU CAN'T ALTER THE FRAMING OF THAT WINDOW.
WHAT WE LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE SITUATIONS IS WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GRUE WAS DISCUSSING IS THE, UM, LEAVING THE WINDOW IN PLACE AND THEN JUST SHEET ROCKING OVER THAT WINDOW.
THAT WAY IF THE OWNER OF THE HOME AFTER YOU WANTS TO COME BACK AND RESTORE IT TO ITS OLD, HISTORIC, UH, INTEGRITY, THEY JUST TAKE DOWN SHEET ROCK INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CUT INTO A WALL, ADD A NEW WINDOW, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, THAT, AND, AND FOR US TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ON.
UM, BUT ALSO THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION HERE IS WHETHER WE'RE REPLACING IN KIND OR REPLACING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH STAFF.
I THINK IF, AND, AND THAT TO ME, COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE THEM, HIM COMING BACK WITH A WINDOW BY WINDOW PLAN THAT GETS APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND I THINK THIS SIDING IS ALSO DIFFERENT FROM THE CASE.
MORE DIFFICULT TO FEATHER THIS TYPE OF SIDING.
'CAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY ASBESTOS SIDING.
WHICH YOU CANNOT GET REPLACEMENT FOR.
AND I'M ALSO CHECKING MY WINDOWS FOR LEAD FEDERAL AND ON THE FEDERAL LAWS, YOU WOULD'VE TO REMOVE 'EM.
I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT'S DOING, UM, A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN, I WOULD BE OPEN IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK WITH A MAP OF WHICH WINDOWS YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REPLACE, UH, SORRY, REPAIR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND WHICH ONES YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA REPAIR AND STATE YOUR CASE, I'LL BE WILLING TO HEAR THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO COME BACK OR OPEN TO REPLACING SOME OF THEM AND REPAIRING SOME OF THEM? I WOULD LET STAFF KNOW.
I WOULD SET, RE SET A APPOINT APPOINTMENT TO COME BACK AND YOU REALLY DON'T NEED PERMISSION TO SHEET ROCK THAT, UH, WINDOW FROM THE INSIDE.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY MAYBE, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU WITHDRAW FOR NOW AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK.
I THINK STAFF JUST WANTS YOU TO HEAR IT SAYING.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 19, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 78 AT 2 51 ISABEL, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 632 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY REAR EDITION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH C.
UH, THE APPLICANT SHOULD RESUBMIT AN ACCURATE MEASURED DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED ELEVATION AND SITE PLAN IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS REGARDING SETBACKS, TRANSITIONS, FENESTRATIONS, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
IF THE COMMISSION IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE ADDITION AS CONSTRUCTED AND OR AS PROPOSED, THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS
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REQUIRED BY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IF APPLICABLE.THIS IS MY MOM, LUPE MORENO, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE HOME AND SHE IS DOING THE ADDITION FOR HER TWO SONS TO LIVE IN.
WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT SHE HAS TO DO TO GET IT APPROVED.
SO NO DRAWINGS HAS BEEN, HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED YET.
THERE'S A LIVING AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN THERE'S A LOFT SLEEPING AREA, WHICH IS WHY THE, THEY'RE CONSIDERING A TWO STORY STRUCTURE IS SO TALL.
THE STRUCTURE IS ALSO CONNECTING TO AN EXISTING REAR OR, UM, UH, REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO THE LITTLE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PHOTO, YOU'RE CONNECTING TO THAT AS WELL? YES.
AND THAT'S AN EXISTING STORAGE, STORAGE STORAGE BUILDING.
AND DID STAFF EXPLAIN THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, THE SIDE SETBACK? YES.
EARLIER IN THE HALLWAY, STAFF EXPLAINED THAT THE SIDE SETBACKS MIGHT REQUIRE A VARIANCE
RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE ADDITION.
AND THAT, THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A VARIANCE, UH, BECAUSE IT ENCROACHES ON THE SIDE SETBACK, WHICH IS GENERALLY FIVE FEET.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE ELEVATIONS AND THE MASSING OF WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED THERE.
AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT JUST LACK OF FENESTRATION AND, UH, JUST APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS BE REFERRED TO A, UH, D R C SO WE COULD WORK PERHAPS TO ASSIST THE, UH, APPLICANT IN, IN, UH, IMPROVING THE DESIGN.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I THINK THE DRAWINGS ARE LOST IN TRANSLATION AS TO WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S VERY ACCURATE.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A D R C NOT SITE VISIT.
YEAH, BUT I DO, UH, A SITE VISIT.
NO, I I ACTUALLY WOULD SAY CAN THE, UH, OWNER BRING GOOD PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE THE DRAWINGS ARE NOT WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCY TOO.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A, A, A MAJOR DISCONNECTION.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO BOTH IF YOU WANT.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE, UH, TO THE POINT THAT I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THE, ON, ON THIS CASE WITHOUT, UH, UH, ONE MAYBE LOOKING AT GOING OUT TO THE SITE, TAKING A LOOK AT IT, AND THEN TWO, HAVING A, A SIT DOWN, UH, WORKING SESSION WITH THEM TO, TO POINT THE DIRECTION AND TO THE APPLICANT.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN RETHINK THIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A LOT COVERAGE.
AM I WRONG? UH, STAFF? HAS THAT BEEN KIND OF ADDRESSED? ADDRESSED? SO THIS IS IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SO YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT SET OF GUIDELINES DOES ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT PEOPLE, UM, LIKE THESE PROPERTIES TEND TO HAVE MULTI-GENERATIONAL, UM, OCCUPANCIES.
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FLEXIBILITY.UM, I THINK THE, THE SIDE SETBACK IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
I I DO THINK THAT IF THIS MORE CLOSELY MATCHED WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE DRAWINGS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE LESS CONCERNS.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I REFER THIS TO A, UH, TO A SITE VISIT AND A FOLLOW UP D R C WORKING SESSION.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MOTION PASSES SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND, UH, WE'LL SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT WHERE SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND DISCUSS WITH YOU WHAT THE OPTIONS MIGHT BE.
FOR THE RECORD, AGENDA ITEM B 20, CASE NUMBER 20 19 5 75 0 8.
MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2ND.
MOTION IS SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THANK YOU STAFF VERY MUCH FOR GETTING US THROUGH THIS.