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          ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. 
          IT IS NINE OH TWO. 
          LET'S CALL THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025. 
          UH, TAC MEETING, PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          MEETING TO ORDER. 
          WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? MR. ZUKI? MR. SANCHEZ? MR. ALET? MR. SIPES? HERE. 
          MR. BARROS. 
          MS. BRAGMAN? PRESENT. 
          MR. SANCHEZ PRESENT. 
          MS. CRUZ. 
          MS. COHEN. 
          MS. WAX PACK. 
          MR. ELDER? HERE. 
          MS. FAIRMONT? MR. MOORE? MS. FLAGGINGS? HERE. 
          MS. CARROLL? HERE. 
          MR. NIBIA. 
          MR. LINK? HERE. 
          MR. TAYLOR? HERE. 
          MR. HINOJOSA. 
          MR. HANLEY? HERE. 
          MR. ROBINSON? DOES DOMINGUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          MR. PIERCE? HERE. 
          MR. FULLINGTON? HERE. 
          MS. BASSEY? HERE. 
          MS. MO? UH, GO. 
          I'M HERE. 
          MR. MANNA. 
          MS. MALDONADO? HERE. 
          MS. DALE. 
          MS. MEYER? MR. ANDERSON. 
          MS. KAREN DYER. 
          MR. HOW? MR. WHITE. 
          MR. BROWN? HERE. 
          CHAIR. 
          PECK HERE. 
          A QUORUM IS PRESENT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYBODY IN, UH, THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN ITEMS ONE OR TWO? OKAY. 
          HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. 
          UH, FIRST THING IS NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          I WILL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO, UH, NICOLE SALINAS FOR THAT. 
          CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, ROBERT HANLEY. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR THOSE CHAIR? WE'LL MOVE ON TO CHAIR NOMINATIONS. 
          I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE GEORGE PECK SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON, UH, WELL, WE CAN DO IT ALL AT ONCE. 
          VOTE ON CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, OR, I MEAN, NUMBER TWO IN NEW BUSINESS IS CONSIDERATION OF A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AMENDMENT. 
          I GUESS STAFF HAS A PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ISAAC LEVY. 
          I'M THE SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, THIS MORNING WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR MCDONALD LACO ROAD. 
          MCDONALD LACO. 
          I ORDER REALLY QUICKLY, DO WE HAVE A RECUSAL ON THIS? THERE'S A LETTER IN OUR PACKET FROM P DAWSON. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CARROLL WILL BE RECUSING FROM VOTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO MCDONALD LACO ROAD IS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE B REQUIRING 86 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOR, UM, THE, OH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING, UH, FOR THIS, FOR AROUND THIS AREA IS, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS PART OF IT BEING LOCATED IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. 
          NEAREST MAJOR ROADS ARE OLD, IS OLD PEARSALL ROAD, UH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS FARM TO MARKET ROAD 25 36 NELSON ROAD, 
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AND TEXAS STATE LOOP 1604. 
          THE APPLICANT OF THIS AMENDMENT IS UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. 
          THEY'RE REPRESENTED BY P DAWSON ENGINEERS. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO REALIGN AND PROPOSE SEGMENT OF MCDONALD LACO ROAD, UH, TO FOLLOW THE RIGHT OF WAY OF NELSON ROAD. 
          AGAIN, THE LIMITS OF THIS, THE LIMITS OF THIS AMENDMENT IS FROM STATE LOOP 1604 TO OLD PIERSOL ROAD, AND THE EXISTING LAND USES AROUND THAT AREA IS AGRICULTURE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL QUERY, THE SAN ANTONIO INTERMODAL TERMINAL AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE EXHIBITS OF EXHIBITS OF THE AREA, INCLUDING AERIAL VIEW OF THE APPLICANT AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS TAKEN PLACE. 
          OH, ONE MORE. 
          GO BACK. 
          ONE. 
          AS WELL AS THE STREET VIEW OF APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          OH, OH. 
          UM, , UM, WE ALSO HAVE A STREET VIEW OF NELSON ROAD, UH, NEAR OLD PEARSALL ROAD, LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST. 
          AND TO YOUR RIGHT, THERE IS A STREET VIEW OF NELSON ROAD NEAR MEDINA RIVER, UH, AS WELL AS THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD CROSSING, LOOKING TOWARDS THE EAST TOWARDS OLD PEARSALL. 
          ALSO, HERE WE HAVE A STREET VIEW, UH, FROM TEXAS STATE LOOP 1604 TOWARDS THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          LOOKING EAST. 
          ON THE SCREEN IS THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP OR OF, OF THE, WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS TAKING PLACE. 
          UH, AND IT IS SHOWING THAT THIS IS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR LINK OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS TO CREATE A EAST WEST CONNECTION, UH, FROM THE SMALL, FROM THE SMALLER TOWNS OF LACOE AND AS WELL AS THE UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITY OF MCDONOUGH. 
          UM, SO TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS ROADWAY, UH, IT'S BEEN PART OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN SINCE 1978. 
          UM, LIKE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE POINT OF THIS ROADWAY IS TO FACILITATE FUTURE EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY, UH, BETWEEN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND THE OUT ON THE OUTER, UM, WEST, SOUTH, SOUTHWEST AND WEST SIDES, UH, SUCH AS LACA, SUCH AS MCDONALD, AND OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW AT THERE. 
          UM, AS WE WERE TRANSITIONING FROM PAPER MAPS TO, UH, DIGITAL MAPS, THERE MAY HAVE RESULTED IN, UH, SOME MISALIGNMENTS. 
          UM, AS Y'ALL MAY KNOW, WHENEVER THESE MAPS WERE FIRST CREATED, THESE WERE DRAFTED, UM, AS MARKER ON PAPER. 
          THEN THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE NOW TODAY DIDN'T REALLY EXIST BACK THEN AT THE TIME. 
          UM, SO OVER 20, SO OVER 20 YEARS, MA HAVE REQUIRED AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, MCDONALD, LAKOS AND NELSON PROVIDES THAT CONTINUED CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, UH, THOSE FAR WESTERN COMMUNITIES, UM, TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          UM, ALSO TO THE CURRENT MCDONALD LACO ROAD ALIGNMENT, UH, CROSSES FEMA DESIGNATED 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          UM, THE ALIGNMENT ALSO, UH, ALSO IMPACTS FUTURE RAIL ACTIVITY. 
          BUT THE POINT OF THIS DOING THIS AMENDMENT IS TO TRY AND AVOID HAVING ANY KIND OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN VEHICULAR ROAD TRAFFIC AND RAIL TRAFFIC. 
          UM, BEXAR COUNTY TEX.IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, DO NOT HAVE PLANS TO BUILD THIS SECTION OF MCDONALD COST IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          UM, AND ALL DEPARTMENTS IN TECHNICAL REVIEWING AGENCIES REVIEWED AND HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 
          IN FACT, UM, TEX DOT HA, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TEX DOT AND UNION PACIFIC FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW TO MAKE SURE TO, TO REVIEW ALL POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS THAT COULD TAKE PLACE. 
          AND THIS, THIS ALIGNMENT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS, UH, DEEMED AS MOST POSSIBLE. 
          AND SO, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO, UM, TO SHAWNA WEAVER, I'M GONNA BE OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE, UM, TAC COMMITTEE. 
          APPRECIATE IT AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME BEING HERE. 
          UM, MY NAME IS SHAUNA WEAVER. 
          I AM, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. 
          I'M WITH PAP DAWSON ENGINEERS, UH, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M AN ENGINEER, AND THIS IS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          SO I'M GONNA GET IN THE WEEDS JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE, SO GET COMFORTABLE. 
          UH, AND I, I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH IT AS, UH, CLEARLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN. 
          UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BE BRIEF. 
          I KNOW THIS IS, UH, UH, JUST READING THE ROOM HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE MEETING. 
          Y'ALL ARE VERY ESTEEMED GROUP HERE, AND SO I'LL TRY TO, TRY TO GET THERE QUICKLY. 
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UM, SO FOR OUR, FOR MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION, CAN WE GET TO THE MAP THAT THE, THAT HAS ALL THE COLORS ON IT, , UH, THAT ONE, AND I WAS THINKING OUR MAP WITH OUR TITLE BLOCK. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I MAY HAVE TO WALK UP TO THE SCREEN AND, AND POINT SOME THINGS OUT HERE, UM, NOT, I DON'T, OR USE THIS LITTLE CLICKER IF IT, AND POINT TO IT. 
          SO WHAT I'M GONNA, UH, TRY TO COVER TODAY IS I'M GONNA TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO INTER INTERMODAL TERMINAL SITE, UH, THE PLANS FOR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. 
          SO YOU HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN WAREHOUSING. 
          UM, TODD, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME TECHNICAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR BUILDING A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE B. 
          AND I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE UDC, UH, THE EXISTING, SOME OF THE EXISTING CONSTRAINTS, UH, THAT ARE, ARE INVOLVED HERE. 
          UH, SOME OF THE FUTURE CONSTRAINTS THAT, UH, WE ANTICIPATE ALSO REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. 
          AND THEN I'LL TRY TO, UH, SUMMARIZE IT AND, AND WRAP IT UP FOR YOU. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN IF THERE ARE, ARE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO PAUSE KIND OF AFTER EACH SECTION, AND WE'LL TAKE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY IF THE CHAIR ALLOWS, UM, AND, AND THEN TRY TO GET TO THE END HERE, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, FIRST, UM, ABOUT THE SAN ANTONIO INTERMODAL TERMINAL SITE. 
          SO THE TERMINAL SITE IS ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY OFF THIS PAGE. 
          IT'S TO THE, UM, KIND OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS PAGE. 
          AND THE, THE INTER, THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL SITE IS OWNED BY UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. 
          IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, KIND OF OF LOOP FOUR 10 AND 35 IN BETWEEN THE MEDINA RIVER AND ME CREEK. 
          AND IF Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR OWN GIS MAPS OR SOME OF THE MAPS IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF RAIL LINES IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR A UNION PACIFIC INTERMODAL TERMINAL, A LOT OF PARALLEL RAIL LINES GOING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. 
          SO, UM, THE TRUCK ACCESS, LIKE I SAID, IS OFF OF 35, BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL, UM, WHERE, WHERE ALL THOSE LINES COME TOGETHER. 
          AND I, I KNOW THAT EXHIBIT IS IN YOUR PACKET TOO, BUT WHERE ALL THOSE LINES COME TOGETHER, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A Y THERE AND THAT Y GOES, UH, OFF TO THE NORTH AND KIND OF VEERS THEN TO THE WEST. 
          THEY CALL THAT THE DEL RIO LINE. 
          IT GOES OUT TO DEL RIO AND THEN OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL, UH, YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE LAREDO LINE. 
          AND THAT LINE, UM, OBVIOUSLY COMES IN AND OUT OF LAREDO. 
          SO THEN BOTH OF THOSE RAIL LINES, UH, EAST OF THE TERMINAL SITE, BOTH OF THOSE RAIL LINES MERGE, AND THEN THEY, UH, MEANDER THROUGH SAN ANTONIO AND THEN, UH, OFF TO THE EAST AND OFF TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. 
          SO THAT IS HOW, JUST AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, KIND OF HOW THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL WORKS TO, FOR THE MOVEMENT OF INTERMODAL FREIGHT. 
          SO EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE WE ARE HERE IN THE WORLD, IN SAN ANTONIO SOUTHWEST CORNER THERE. 
          UM, SO PLANS FOR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, THE PLANNED USE, UM, WEST OF THE TERMINAL SITE IS, UH, INTENDED TO BE WAREHOUSING, UH, OR MANUFACTURING, UH, EITHER ONE THAT SUPPORTS THAT SUPPORTED BY UNION PACIFIC'S MOVEMENT OF INTERMODAL FREIGHT BY RAIL. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR ECONOMY HERE NOW. 
          SO THIS SITE IS, IT'S POSITIONED TO BE A CRITICAL INTERMODAL FACILITY HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. 
          SO THINK, UH, THINK NEARSHORING, THINK, UH, BRINGING MATERIALS, UM, IN AND OUTTA MEXICO BY RAIL, UH, RATHER THAN BY TRUCKS. 
          SO, UM, AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. 
          OR, UM, THESE SITES WILL PARTNER WITH UNION PACIFIC, UH, FOR THE, UM, MOVEMENT OF INTERMODAL FREIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, JUST, UH, AND YOU ALL ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I DO WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IMPACT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, OF, OF WAREHOUSING. 
          SO THINK ABOUT, UM, THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE NORTH OF THIS SITE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEW AMAZON WAREHOUSE SOUTH IN, UH, 90 AND 16, 0 4 PEW ROAD UP THERE, UH, BUILT DURING, DURING COD. 
          UH, SO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SITE, UH, PAYS ABOUT 1.1 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES TO SOUTHWEST ISD PLUS MORE FOR HOSPITALS, ANIMAL ALAMO COLLEGES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SITE TO 
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SAN ANTONIO FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, UH, NOT JUST THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, BUT JUST TO BE PART OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN SOLUTION FOR THE MOVEMENT OF INTERMODAL FREIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THAT HIGH LEVEL, UH, PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY AND UNION PACIFIC DOES OWN ALL THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL. 
          SO ABOUT 700 ACRES, CURTIS, IS THAT RIGHT? ALTOGETHER, UH, A LOT OF IT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, BUT, UM, SEVERAL, SEVERAL HUNDRED ACRES OF, OF DEVELOPABLE AREA FOR WAREHOUSING OR MANUFACTURING. 
          SO, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SO FAR? OKAY. 
          SO THEN, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TECHNICAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE B. 
          AND AS PROMISED, I WON'T GO THROUGH THE UDC, BUT, UH, I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, JUST KIND OF THREE MAIN POINTS THERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UM, YOU DON'T DESIGN THERE. 
          THERE ARE MANY, MANY ROADS, AS YOU KNOW, MANY ROAD, MANY LOW WATER CROSSINGS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WE DEAL WITH EVERY DAY. 
          BUT ENGINEERS DON'T DESIGN OUR NEW BRAND NEW ARTERIAL STREETS IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. 
          WE, WE JUST DON'T. 
          THAT'S DESIGN CRITERIA, NUMBER ONE FOR NEW ROADS. 
          IT'S ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ROUTED AROUND THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLANE OVER THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOW PLANE. 
          YOU DON'T EVER DESIGN A STREET TO BE IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ON PURPOSE ANYWAY, I THINK, UNLESS YOU REALLY HAVE TO. 
          UM, SO THAT IS CRITERIA NUMBER ONE IN MY MIND. 
          UM, NUMBER TWO, WE, AS ISAAC MENTIONED ALSO, UH, WE DON'T DESIGN AT GRADE RAIL CROSSINGS, UH, FOR NEW ARTERIAL STREETS. 
          UM, NOT ONLY IS THAT, UH, NOT SAFE, UH, BUT UNION PACIFIC JUST WOULDN'T ALLOW IT. 
          SO WE JUST DON'T DO THAT. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO CROSS A RAILROAD, YOU GO UP AND OVER FOR A NEW ARTERIAL STREET. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, ONE CRITERIA THAT YOU KIND OF NEED TO KEEP IN MIND HERE AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE PROCESSING ALL THIS INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, BY, UM, TODAY'S STANDARDS, IF YOU'RE, IF, IF, AND THIS IS A BIG IF, AND YOU'LL SEE WHY HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          IF THIS STREET WERE TO GET BUILT, UM, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, UH, IT WOULD INCLUDE AN 86 FOOT WIDE RIDE OF WAY FOR FOUR LANES, UH, WITH A MULTI-USE PATH. 
          SO EVERYBODY KIND OF GET A PICTURE IN THEIR HEAD OF, OF THE CLASS OF STREET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG ONES. 
          MANY, MANY OTHER DESIGN DETAILS THAT ENGINEERS WORK THROUGH WHEN THEY DO PLANS. 
          BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG ONES, UH, AS WE, AS WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE IN THIS DISCUSSION. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SO FAR? OKAY. 
          UM, SO NOW I'M GONNA KIND OF DIVE INTO SOME EXISTING CONSTRAINTS IN THIS AREA. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF 'EM, AND I'LL BE HONEST, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT ON A, AN EXHIBIT AND SHARE IT IN A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH EASIER IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN GIS SYSTEM, AND YOU CAN DIVE IN AND, AND ZOOM IN AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE DETAILS ALONG THE ALIGNMENT. 
          BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO JUST EXPLAIN IT AT, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND THIS, UH, THIS LITTLE, LET'S SEE. 
          IS THIS THE, NOPE, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          I WAS LOOKING FOR THE POINTER. 
          IS IT THE RED AT THE TOP? NOPE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, SO THE FIRST CONSTRAINT OVER HERE, SO THE SOLID LINE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT, UM, THAT IS TRANSPOSED ON TODAY'S MAP FROM THE 1978 PAPER, 78, RIGHT, ISAAC, I THINK 78, YEAH, 78 PAPER. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE IT WAS TRANSPOSED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY, WHAT THOUGHT WAS PUT INTO, UH, WHY THAT'S THERE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ON PURPOSE OR IF THE INTENT WAS TO TRY TO FOLLOW, UH, THE, WHAT IS TODAY, THE NELSON ROAD ALIGNMENT. 
          UM, NOT SURE, BUT ALL I KNOW IS TODAY, RIGHT NOW, THIS CUTS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF, UH, UNION PACIFIC'S PROPERTY IN THE, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT SITES THAT THEY WANT TO USE FOR, UH, WAREHOUSING OR MANUFACTURING, AGAIN, TO SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT OF INTERMODAL FREIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF CONSTRAINT NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, EXTREME TOPOGRAPHY UP HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE PICTURE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF ZOOM 
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IN AT A, AT A HIGHER LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN GIS SYSTEMS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MESS. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT BERMS AND, UH, LEVIES AND WATER BEING DIVERTED AWAY FROM THESE QUARRY AREAS. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT AN ACTIVE QUARRY AREA IN HERE THAT, UH, HOLDS WATER ON EVERY PICTURE. 
          I'VE SEEN, UH, OPENINGS HERE IN THE, IN, UNDER THE, THE RAIL, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK, BUT WHEN, WHEN THE WATER FILLS UP HERE, I THINK IT SPILLS OUT EVERYWHERE, BUT ALSO EVEN KIND OF SPILLS TO THE NORTH, UH, OVER INTO THIS LAKE OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          UM, IT'S A MESS OVER HERE. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY PROPERTY OWNERS OVER HERE WHO CAN, WHO CAN, WELL, I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU CAN, UH, CONFIRM THAT OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          YEAH, IT'S A, UH, IT, IT'S A CHALLENGE IN HERE. 
          SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, JUST EXTREME TOPO, YOU'VE GOT QUARRY PITS WITH, UH, STEEP EDGES OVER HERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT A ROAD COULDN'T, UH, BRIDGE OVER THAT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A, AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINT, RIGHT? UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE SOME ARCHEOLOGICAL CULTURAL RESOURCES, UM, KNOWN SITES, UH, OVER HERE, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE ORANGE AREA IN HERE, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE RIGHT DOWN IN THERE. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE NOT SAYING, AND, AND THOSE ARE DOCUMENTED CULTURAL RESOURCES SITES, AND WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE, UM, WOULD NECESSARILY PREVENT A ROAD FROM GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE DIGGING. 
          SO, RIGHT, CARISSA, OKAY. 
          . 
          SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, WHERE IT GOES AND HOW DEEP IT GOES. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW, KNOW, UH, WHERE YOU'RE DIGGING AND, UH, WHAT'S IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO, UH, BUT IT IS, UM, A KNOWN SITE, SO WE'RE SHOWING IT THERE ON THAT MAP. 
          UM, THE, THE BIG CONSTRAINT OVER HERE IN THIS AREA IS, UH, THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          SO THE MEDINA RIVER, UH, YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, IT KIND OF, IT COMES UP THIS WAY, AND IT COMES RIGHT OVER HERE INTO, INTO THIS AREA. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A BIG FLOODPLAIN. 
          IT'S A BIG RIVER. 
          YOU CAN SEE ALL THE TRIBUTARIES THAT COME INTO IT THAT SPLIT FROM IT. 
          UM, IT COMES ACROSS THE RAIL. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME OPENINGS IN THE RAIL THAT, THAT SOME OF THIS WATER COMES THROUGH. 
          UH, MOST OF IT IN A, IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, IT IS UP AND OVER THE RAIL. 
          SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BLUE LINES UP IN HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO, HONESTLY, WE TRIED TO KIND OF SHADE THOSE, UM, A BLUE COLOR SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE, THE EXTENT OF THE MAP THAT'S COVERED IN FLOODPLAIN, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH OF IT THAT IT CRASHED THE COMPUTER. 
          SO, UH, I KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY ENGINEERS IN THE ROOM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT YES, MA'AM. 
          I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          IS YOUR FLOODPLAIN THE DRAFT FLOODPLAIN OR THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN. 
          I AND IS IT PROPOSED TO EXPAND IN THE DRAFT? IS IT PROPOSED TO EXPAND? AND I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THERE'S A DRAFT VIEWER RIGHT NOW ON SARAH'S WEBSITE. 
          THAT'S WHY, AND I CAN'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          YEAH, THERE, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. 
          'CAUSE EVEN WHAT WE LOOK AT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE IS THE, UM, ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT IT WITH ATLAS 14, AND IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S SHOWN HERE. 
          AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE, ARE, UH, PRETTY STEEP OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          AND THE FLOODPLAIN THAT THAT IS OVER HERE IS PRIMARILY, UH, SPLITTING, UM, OUT FROM THOSE TRIBUTARIES. 
          AND, AND EVEN OVER HERE IN THIS AREA, YOU'D THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SPLITTING OUT FROM THE, FROM THE MEDINA RIVER, GOING INTO THIS LITTLE SLOUGH RIGHT HERE. 
          LONG HOLLOW IS WHAT THIS IS. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT ACTUALLY SPLITS THE OTHER DIRECTION BACK INTO THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          SO WE DO HAVE VERY EXTENSIVE 2D MODELING IN HERE. 
          UM, SO, AND I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S NOT, IT, IT, IT'S JUST A BIG MASSIVE FLOODPLAIN. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE, I THINK ATLAS 14 SPEAKS TO IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, SO THERE'S THE MEDINA RIVER FOR SURE. 
          THEN THERE'S THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          ALL OF ITS TRIBUTARIES. 
          APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THIS ALIGNMENT CURRENTLY RIGHT HERE, UM, AS SHOWN ABOUT 50, 50%, MORE THAN 50% OF THAT ALIGNMENT IS CURRENTLY WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO I'M GONNA LET THAT SINK IN FOR JUST A BIT, THAT 
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MORE THAN HALF OF IT IS WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO, UH, AND ARE Y'ALL HEARING ME OKAY, I GUESS I THINK I'M SPEAKING INTO THE MIC. 
          UM, SO IN ADDITION TO JUST THE MESS OF TOPO AND PITT, CORY PITTS AND, UH, MEDINA RIVER AND THE FLOODPLAIN OF THE MEDINA RIVER, THIS ALIGNMENT ALSO GOES THROUGH SOME EXISTING, UM, KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THESE ARE LARGE LOT RANCH, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, AREAS IN HERE. 
          AND THEY, THEY CURRENTLY ACCESS AT AN AT GRADE CROSSING ACROSS THE, UH, ACROSS THE RAIL RIGHT HERE. 
          BUT THERE, THIS ALIGNMENT DOES CROSS, UH, AS THIS ALIGNMENT WAS PLACED ON PAPER FROM 1978, IT CURRENTLY DOES, UH, CROSS THROUGH ONE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          I THINK IT'S THE HALEY, THE HALEY HOME, UH, THERE. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT'S, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND. 
          SO THE, ANOTHER, ANOTHER CONSTRAINT HERE THAT IS REALLY HARD TO, TO REALLY VISUALIZE, BUT IS, WELL, IT'S THE BRIDGE OVER HERE AT, UM, UH, AT OLD, IT'S A LONG OLD PEARSALL ROAD RIGHT HERE. 
          AND IT GOES UP AND OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS RIGHT HERE. 
          AND FOR THOSE OF YOU, UM, WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. 
          IT'S A VERY BIG BRIDGE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY STEEP BRIDGE. 
          IT GOES UP AND OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          UM, IT GOES UP AND OVER DOUBLE STACKED RAIL CARS. 
          UM, SO IT, IT'S A VERY TALL BRIDGE, AND YOU'LL KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IN JUST A BIT. 
          SO THIS, THIS CONNECTION POINT RIGHT HERE IS KIND OF AT THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, AND IT STARTS TO RAMP UP, YOU KNOW, ABOUT RIGHT IN THIS AREA, GETS UP AND OVER, AND THEN RAMPS BACK DOWN ON THIS SIDE. 
          UM, SO BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS. 
          AND IN THIS AREA AND JUST IN GENERAL, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHETHER IT'S THE SOLID LINE OR THE DASH LINE, THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS, UM, PRIMARILY DEALING WITH THE, WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN. 
          UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST THROW IT PRIMARILY THE FLOOD PLANE AND THE RAIL. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE UNION PACIFIC RAIL LINE ITSELF, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH RUNS IN AND OUTTA THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL, UH, RIGHT OVER HERE, RIGHT? THERE'S THE Y RIGHT HERE, THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE THE DE DEL RIO LINE COMES OUT, AND THEN THE RAIL LINE RUNS RIGHT THIS DIRECTION RIGHT HERE. 
          AND IF THOSE EXHIBITS ARE PROBABLY SHOWN MORE CLEARLY IN YOUR PACKET, BUT, UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONSTRAINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THAT, UH, ONE DESIGN CONSIDERATION IS YOU DON'T DESIGN AT GREG CROSSINGS FOR NEW ARTERIAL STREETS, JUST LIKE YOU DON'T DESIGN NEW ARTERIAL STREETS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, A LOT OF THESE CONSTRAINTS CAN BE OVERCOME WITH, UH, MONEY, YOU KNOW, TIME AND MONEY. 
          UM, I, I HONESTLY, JUST MY OPINION HERE, I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY TECHNICAL BASIS FOR THIS, BUT I, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY CONSTRAINTS RIGHT HERE FOR THIS TO, UM, BE BUILT, AT LEAST WITHIN, UM, MY CAREERS AND ENGINEER HERE. 
          THIS IS YEARS OUT. 
          UM, IF, AND IT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS DEEMED REALLY, UM, NECESSARY AS A, UM, AS A BENEFIT TO COME THIS WAY RATHER THAN 16 OH FORD OLD P PEARSALL ROAD TO WARRANT OVERCOMING ALL OF THESE CONSTRAINTS. 
          THIS BENEFIT RIGHT HERE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE, IS GONNA HAVE TO WARRANT THAT KIND OF COST TO BUILD THOSE ROADS. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW, AND AGAIN, JUST AN OPINION I, AND ANYTHING CAN BE OVERCOME WITH TIME AND MONEY, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, WITHIN MY CAREER AS AN ENGINEER FOR SURE. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STARTING, UH, WITH JUST EXISTING CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE FUTURE CONSTRAINTS TOO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAYBE NOT SEEING ON THE MAP. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING BY THE, UH, LINES OUT OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THERE'S ALSO A, A FAIRLY LARGE WATERSHED UP OVER HERE IN THIS AREA THAT ALL DRAINS THIS WAY TOWARD THE, UM, TOWARD NELSON ROAD. 
          IT COMES ACROSS NELSON ROAD, IT COMES ACROSS AND UNDER, UH, THE, THE DRAINAGE OR IT COMES, COMES UNDER THE RAILROAD THROUGH DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, UH, RAILROAD TRESTLES UNDER THERE. 
          BUT, 
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UH, MOST OF IT PROBABLY, UH, SEEPS THROUGH THE BALLAST OF THE RAILROAD AND THEN COMES ACROSS, UH, INTO THAT, UH, CORNFIELD NOW THAT, UM, IS ON THE UNION PACIFIC PROPERTY. 
          AND IT GENERALLY KIND OF FLOWS THIS DIRECTION. 
          SO AT SOME POINT, UM, NO MATTER WHAT IS BUILT HERE, WHETHER IT'S A ROAD, WHETHER IT'S A, UM, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT, ANYTHING THAT, THAT WATER COMING COMING TO THE SOUTH IS GONNA HAVE TO BE INTERCEPTED AND MOVED OVER HERE TO THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          UH, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT STREET DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          WELL, THAT'S KIND OF DRAINAGE 1 0 1. 
          YOU INTERCEPT AND CONVEY DRAINAGE AROUND YOUR SITE. 
          SO, UM, OVER HERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE CHANNELS OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE UNION PACIFIC'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING HERE. 
          UM, THEY ARE GONNA USE THIS AREA FOR, UM, DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT'LL BE FAIRLY LARGE CHANNELS. 
          AND CURTIS, ABOUT HOW MANY ACRES, 300 ACRES, UH, NORTH OF, OF THAT AREA IS GONNA COME INTO THAT CHANNEL. 
          AND THEN, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS TO BRING IT UNDER, UNDER THE BRIDGE OVER HERE AND THEN AROUND TO THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, PROBABLY WIDER THAN A STREET, WHAT, A HUNDRED FEET CURTIS, A HUNDRED FEET OF DRAINAGE WIDTH OF THE EASEMENT, A HUNDRED, 120 FEET, UH, OF EASEMENT OVER HERE IN ORDER TO HANDLE THAT DRAINAGE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S ONE FUTURE CONSTRAINT THAT YOU'RE KIND OF NOT REALLY SEEING RIGHT HERE. 
          SECOND, UM, FUTURE CONSTRAINT THAT I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT IS, UH, AND KAT AND ISAAC, OR ISAAC KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, UM, WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ON HERE IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ALSO ARE, UM, THE, THE RAIL SPURS THAT WILL BE USED TO, TO SERVE THIS, UH, SERVE THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE WAREHOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY, NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE, THERE WILL BE RAIL SPURS COMING, COMING THROUGH THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THERE'S LOTS, LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT HAPPENS, HOW THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WANTED IT OVER HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE OVER HERE. 
          AND SO, UM, CURRENTLY THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GONNA BE BRINGING SOME RAIL SPURS OVER HERE AND DOWN INTO THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN THOSE SPURS ARE GONNA COME ACROSS, OVER HERE IN THIS AREA TO SERVE THE, THE WAREHOUSE STRUCTURES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT ALIGNMENT WORKED OUT YET. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM, BESIDES ME AND CURTIS, WHO'S SEEN IT, IS MAYBE CARISSA OVER THERE ON P TAC. 
          I THINK SHE'S SEEN THE, UH, THE SPUR THAT'S COMING ACROSS OVER HERE AND THEN DOWN DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA AND HOW, HOW FROM FROM THERE, THESE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS WILL BE SERVED WITH RAIL. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A, A FUTURE CONSTRAINT THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE IT PRECISELY WORKED OUT YET, BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING THAT TOGETHER WITH CARISSA'S HELP BECAUSE, UH, OF THE ORANGE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS PLAN. 
          SO, UM, FUTURE CONSTRAINTS, JUST, JUST TWO OF THOSE, WHICH IS GOOD 'CAUSE YOU GOT A LOT OF EXISTING CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO I'M GONNA JUST PAUSE THERE BEFORE I TALK ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY JUST TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR, YES, SIR. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE, UM, WHAT'S THE FUTURE CONCERN OR , WHAT ARE THE FUTURE CONSTRAINTS? UH, OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN PARTICULAR STUDIED, IF AT ALL, WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION IN THAT AREA, IN THE FLOODPLAIN? SO, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE RIGHT OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          IT'S A CORNFIELD, SO IN THIS AREA, THERE, THERE ARE NO TREES OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          IT'S A CORNFIELD, SO O OVER IN HERE. 
          UM, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME TREES OVER THERE, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I, I HAVEN'T WALKED IT. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL PHOTO PHOTOGRAPH THAT THERE ARE SOME TREES OVER HERE IN THIS AREA THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT ALONG THE RIVER, BUT MAYBE NOT SO MUCH IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT'S, UM, JUST A LOT OF GRADING. 
          AND PROBABLY THE CANOPY THAT YOU DO SEE IN HERE IS JUST SOME SCRUB TREES. 
          SO I'M NOT SEEING, UM, I'M NOT SEEING TREES AS ONE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS. 
          NOW, TREES ARE A CONSTRAINT ON A LOT OF PROJECTS, BUT THE, THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSTRAINTS OVER HERE ON THIS ONE THAT I, I DON'T SEE TREES BEING, UM, A PRIMARY CONSTRAINT. 
          IN FACT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THEY DID DO A TREE SURVEY OVER HERE. 
          UM, SO WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE TREES ARE KIND OF ON THE EDGE OF THE FLOODPLAIN OVER HERE. 
          SO THERE HAS BEEN A, A TREE ANALYSIS, UH, DONE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO NOT OFF THE 
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PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, BUT DEFINITELY ALONG THE EDGES OF THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          SO WE DO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE. 
          BUT FOR SURE, UH, NONE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, MAYBE SOME SCRUB OVER HERE ALONG THIS LONG HOLLOW. 
          SO WITH THE, THE SIGNIFICANT GRADING, THERE'S STEEP SLOPES OUT THERE. 
          IS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CAR STEREO OR ANYTHING DISCOVERED OUT THERE? UM, THERE'S, THIS IS NOT WITHIN A A CAR ZONE, SO WE DID NOT DO THE CAR SURVEYS. 
          AND DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE MEDINA WOULD BE IMPACTED AS FAR AS THE FLOOD PLAIN WITH THE NEW RAILWAY? UH, WITH THE, YOU MEAN WITH THE SPURS COMING IN HERE? OOPS, SORRY. 
          WITH ANY, ANY, ANY IMPACTS COMING OFF OF THAT REALIGNMENT? UH, THE REALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD OR THE, THE RAILWAY, THE, THE RAILWAY. 
          SO THERE SAME, SAME THING. 
          THE, THE RAIL OVER HERE, UH, WILL, WILL BE, UM, ABOVE OR, OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY BELOW BECAUSE THE BALLAST OF THE RAIL, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN REALLY FLOWS UNDER THE RAIL BECAUSE THE BALLAST IS JUST ROCKS. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT CLR, IF THERE IS ONE, HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED, THAT FLOOD STUDY HAS NOT BEEN DONE. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE. 
          BUT, UM, JUST FROM WHAT I SEE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, UM, THE IMPACTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONLY THE UNION PACIFIC PROPERTY. 
          SO THEY MIGHT PUSH THE FLOW. 
          THIS LITTLE OVERFLOW AREA, THIS ISN'T THE MEDINA RIVER RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A TRIBUTARY, SO THAT MAY PUSH ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, AND THEN UNDER A BRIDGE. 
          AND THOSE ENGINEERING DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN WORKED OUT YET. 
          BUT THIS, THE ME MEDINA RIVER IS ACTUALLY OVER HERE, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE FLOODPLAIN OF THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO GO UP AND OVER THAT. 
          AND THERE ARE NO PLANS TO CHANGE THE, TO CHANGE THE, UM, ELEVATION OF THE RAIL LINE AS IT CROSSES THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          IT'S JUST IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, EXHIBITS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THAT WOULD KIND OF HELP WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN RECOVERING RIGHT NOW? UM, WELL, I CAN PREPARE WHATEVER EXHIBIT OR WE CAN ZOOM IN AND, UM, I'VE GOT MY COMPUTER HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY EXHIBITS HERE WITH ME THAT WOULD SHOW THAT. 
          BUT WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU, ARE YOU GETTING, GETTING AT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE MORE DETAIL ON? AND WE CAN MAYBE, MAYBE FIND AN EXHIBIT. 
          I WAS JUST SEEING IF THERE WAS JUST MORE, MORE INFORMATION OTHER THAN JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT HERE FOR THE LAST, I DUNNO HOW LONG, SO, OH, OKAY. 
          MR. HAMLEY, SHAUNA, UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS AND EVERYTHING, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS I WAS LOOKING FOR BASED ON YOUR LETTER THAT YOU SIGNED. 
          THERE'S THE ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT NUMBER ONE, ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT NUMBER TWO. 
          SO THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE, AND OBVIOUSLY TEXDOT PREFERS TWO. 
          I I GET FROM THE LETTER THAT THE CITY PREFERS ONE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE BREAK THIS DOWN INTO PARTS, THE REAL ISSUE IS TO GET TO REMOVE THE MCDONALD A COST FROM THE CITY THOROUGH FOR A PLAN, AND THEN YOU PICK AN OPTION AT AN, UH, UH, ALIGNMENT AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE NOW WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE MCDONOUGH LACOSTE FROM THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? SO OUR, OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SIMPLY JUST REMOVE IT FROM THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN NOW, BUT, UM, AND THAT, THAT WAS OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THE, THAT IS, UM, NOT THE CITY'S PREFERENCE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO THE CITY'S PREFERENCE IS TO PICK AN ALIGNMENT SOMEWHERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LED TO THE ANALYSIS OF ALTERNATE NUMBER ONE AND ALTERNATE NUMBER TWO. 
          AND, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MAYBE FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T READ THE, THE LETTER I WROTE DISCUSSING THE ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT, WE DID LOOK AT AN ALIGNMENT, UM, BE THAT WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAIL, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR HERE IS WE NEED, IF THE CITY'S ASKING US TO PICK AN ALIGNMENT THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH IS TO CONNECT FROM 1604 TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD IN A WEST TO EAST MOVEMENT, THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN CITY SAYING PICK AN ALIGNMENT. 
          UM, TXDOT PREFERRED, UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY IT, IT'S GOTTA BE, IT SHOULD BE, UH, IDEALLY EITHER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO AT GRADE CROSSINGS. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO DO AN ABOVE GRADE CROSSING, I, I MEAN, YOU CAN CROSS IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S UP AND OVER. 
          SO IDEALLY IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OR IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          SO WE DID LOOK AT A, 
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AN ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT 'CAUSE TXDOT ASKED US TO, TO, TO RUN IT ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE RAIL RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, SO THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT DOESN'T LEAD ANYWHERE YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE OF THE RAIL, AND WHERE THAT LEADS TO IS UNDER THE, UNDER THE BRIDGE, UNDER THE OLD PEARSALL ROAD BRIDGE. 
          SO, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU, AND YOU, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OUT, WE, WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET SOME GOOGLE IMAGES HERE, BUT THAT, THAT BRIDGE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMNS, UM, AND I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S THAT EXHIBIT AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER THERE OF THAT SAME LETTER THAT ROBERT HAS. 
          SO I'M GONNA PICK IT UP RIGHT HERE, THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THAT'S THE ALTERNATE, THAT BIG PURPLE LINE RIGHT THERE THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR T STOP. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT AN 86 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF AWAY, AND FOR THE ENGINEERS IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU CAN GET AN 86 FOOT WIDE ROAD PRECISELY WITHIN 86 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT TOUCHING ONE SPECK OF DIRT OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR GRADING, UM, ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT 86 FEET. 
          WELL, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 86 FEET BETWEEN THE COLUMNS OF, OF UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE. 
          SO TO PUSH, TO PUSH THAT ROAD, UM, UNDER THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TIGHT. 
          IT ALSO ELIMINATES, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, HEAVY HAUL ROADS THAT, UH, ARE INTENDED TO BE USED BY THE INTERMODAL TERMINAL TO, UM, MOVE MATERIALS BACK AND FORTH, UH, UNDER OLD PEARSALL ROAD RATHER THAN ON OLD PEARSALL ROAD, UH, IN BETWEEN THE TWO SITES AND TO AND FROM THE TERMINALS, RIGHT? SO RAW MATERIALS IN, YOU MAKE WIDGETS ON THE SITE, THE WIDGETS GO OVER HERE TO THE TERMINAL AND THEN OUT AGAIN, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA IS THEY, THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE A HEAVY HAUL ROAD OVER HERE. 
          AND THEN ALSO YOU'VE GOT, REMEMBER A BIG DRAINAGE CHANNEL COMING IN UNDER HERE. 
          SO EVEN, LET'S JUST SAY EVEN IF YOU MANAGED TO GET A A, A ROAD OVER ALL THE WAY OVER, YOU OVERCAME ALL THESE CONSTRAINTS. 
          YOU GET A ROAD ALL THE WAY OVER HERE, YOU, YOU QUE YOU SAY, SORRY, YOU PEE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO YOUR HEAVY HAUL ROAD. 
          YOU PUT, YOU DUMP ALL THE DRAINAGE UNDERGROUND AND GREAT BIG EXPENSIVE BOX CULVERTS, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU SQUEEZE THIS ROAD OVER HERE. 
          WELL, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          YOU HAVE TO, YOU STILL HAVE TO CROSS NOW THE TURN THE TRACKS COMING OUT OF THE RAIL, THE TERMINAL SITE, OR YOU HAVE TO DO A BIG U-TURN OVER HERE, OVER HERE AS SHOWN ON THAT EXHIBIT THAT YOU SEE TO GET BACK TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          SO IT JUST, KEEPING IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IN THAT CASE. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK ABOUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER HERE, IS YOU, YOU COULD ALSO COME UP OVER HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME BIG HEAVY, BIG MASSIVE BRIDGES OVER HERE. 
          IF THIS HAPPENS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BIG, MASSIVE BRIDGES OVER HERE. 
          I MEAN, SO THEN, THEN YOU COULD JUST, WHEN YOU GET OVER HERE TO THIS DRAINAGE, START ELEVATING ABOVE THE DRAINAGE AND THEN GET WAY, WAY UP IN THE AIR. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TALL THAT BRIDGE IS, BUT IT'S TALL. 
          UM, GET WAY UP IN THE AIR OVER HERE AND THEN CONNECT AT THE BRIDGE AT AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION WAY UP IN THE AIR. 
          NOW, COULD THAT BE DONE? MAYBE, BUT UH, IF I TRIED TO DRAW THAT, I'D PROBABLY GET FIRED, BUT, UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA DRAW IT, BUT YES SIR, WHAT IS THE LIFE OF AN 86 FOOT WIDE RIGHT AWAY? SAY THAT, NOT FROM THE MAINTENANCE AND THE PAVEMENT, BUT WE ALWAYS START OFF WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WIDTH, THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR WHATEVER GROWS, AND THEN YOU WIDEN IT. 
          SO IF YOU SHOEHORN YOURSELF INTO AN 86 FOOT RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN THESE COLUMNS TODAY, WHAT'S THE LIFE OF THAT 10, 20, 30 YEARS? UM, WELL, NO, THAT'S TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH THE GLASS BALL AND TRY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENS. 
          THE LIFE OF A ROAD ONLY HAS SO MUCH WIDTH FOR X PERIOD OF TIME, BUT AS DENSITY AND POPULATION INCREASES, THE DEMANDS ON THE ROADS, THEY HAVE TO BE WIDENED. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT THAT 86 FOOT WIDE WIDTH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECTION OF THE ROAD, I THINK THAT THERE'S A REASON, THERE'S REGIONAL MODELS AND REASONS BEHIND WHY THE CITY DESIGNATED THAT AS 86 FEET BECAUSE THEY DID CONSIDER FUTURE PLANNING IN MIND. 
          NOW ARE IS THAT PERFECT OVER TIME? MAYBE NOT, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT THAT PROBABLY, UM, THAT PROBABLY IS, I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I HAVE TO TRUST THE 
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CITY'S JUDGMENT ON THE 86 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. 
          BUT I WILL SAY IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT, UM, REGIONAL BENEFIT OTHER THAN TO CONTINUE DOWN 1604 AND COME UP THIS WAY. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. 
          THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE COST OF ALL THIS. 
          NOW GRANTED, THIS IS SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OVER HERE, RIGHT? EVERYBODY KNOW, KIND OF KNOWS, UH, THAT CAMPUS SOUTHWEST ISD 1604, AND, AND OLD PEARSALL. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT HERE. 
          BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THAT'S A, A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS TO OVERCOME. 
          BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT'S THE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME, UH, MR. HANLEY, I THINK IS, WAS WHAT'S THE ACCURACY OF THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL PLANNING MODEL? AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY IT'S PERFECT , I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND WE CAN LET ISAAC CAT ANSWER THAT IF THEY WANT, BUT I, THE POINT BEING IS IF WE HAVE A KNOWN CONSTRAINT BETWEEN THE COLUMNS OF 86 FEET, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU MAKING A DECISION THAT IT'S GONNA COST SO MUCH MORE MONEY IN THE DISTANT FUTURE TO CORRECT THAT? 'CAUSE UNLESS YOU TEAR OUT THE, THE BRIDGE AND THE COLUMNS, YOU CAN'T EXPAND THAT 86 FOOT RIGHT AWAY ANYMORE. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA TEAR OUT THOSE BRIDGE COLUMNS. 
          OH, I KNOW THAT. 
          I WAS BEING FACETIOUS WISH TO SHOW THAT, BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING. 
          SO IT DOES APPEAR THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE IS EXISTING ROADWAY ON LIKE TWO THIRDS OF THAT AREA USED FOR SERVICING SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO, SO IT IS A PLAN TO, UM, UTILIZE THAT ROADWAY AND IMPROVE IT, UH, TO THE LEVEL IF IT IS THAT, UH, IT GOES DOWN AS PLAN AND DOES THAT SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN THAT PATH. 
          SO THAT, UM, I'LL ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS, I GUESS. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE IS THE PLAN TO, TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING PAYMENT AND NUMBER. 
          AND THEN NUMBER TWO, DOES THAT SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY? UM, SO YES, THE PLAN IS TO, TO COME OVER HERE AND BASICALLY CONNECT INTO, UM, NELSON ROAD, BUT I, I HAVE DRIVEN THAT ROAD AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S IN VERY, VERY POOR CONDITION. 
          IT DOES SERVE THE, I THINK THE CITY'S LANDFILL SITE OVER HERE, THE MULCH SITE, UM, SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER AREAS OVER HERE. 
          BUT IT'S A, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH. 
          UM, THERE'S NO PART OF IT THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE REUSED FOR. 
          UM, I MEAN, IT'S NICE THAT IT, IT'S EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE AND THAT IT, IT'S NOT 86 FEET OF NEW RIGHT OF WAY. 
          IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WHAT, 46? PROBABLY HALF. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY TH 60. 
          IS IT 60? I'LL SAY THE ROAD ITSELF IS ABOUT 20 FOOT WIDE, THAT THROUGH THAT SECTION. 
          IT'S A TWO LANE. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNTY ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT IN, IN GOOD CONDITION. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST YOU'RE SAYING, WOULD USING THIS PAVEMENT SAVE ANY MONEY OVER, YOU KNOW, THIS ALIGNMENT OR ANY OTHER ALIGNMENT? I'D SAY THAT THAT WHOLE ISSUE IS SO INSIGNIFICANT AS COMPARED TO WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO GET THROUGH HERE. 
          IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER. 
          SHAUNA, WHO THAT ROAD, UH, ON THE REALIGNMENT, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT? IS IT FUNDED FROM NOT ONLY THE CITY, THE COUNTY, BUT TEXDOT? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHO, WHO COUGHS UP THE MONEY FOR THE, UH, ADDED CAPACITY OR MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S EITHER THE DEVELOPER OR THROUGH SOME KIND OF, UH, BOND PROJECT. 
          SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE LET, LET'S JUST SAY THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS, OKAY, WE'LL LEAVE IT HERE. 
          UH, UNION PACIFIC CAN GO DEAL WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT UNION PACIFIC WILL NOT BE BUILDING THIS ROAD BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TRIPS ASSIGNED TO IT. 
          WE, WE DID DO A TIA, THE TIA'S APPROVED UNION. 
          WE DON'T, NO MATTER WHERE THIS IS, EVEN IF IT ENDS UP HERE THROUGH THESE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, RIGHT? LET'S SAY IT MOVES AND GET AND COMES DOWN HERE THROUGH THIS LARGE LOT RURAL COMMUNITY DOWN HERE, UNION PACIFIC DOES NOT HAVE ANY TRIPS ASSIGNED TO THIS BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEIR DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T WARRANT REGIONAL ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, THE SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THIS ROAD. 
          THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE USING THIS AS A DRIVEWAY TO COME IN, COME INTO THEIR SITE. 
          UM, AND SO THEY KNOW THE REASON WHY NO, THIS HAS NOT BEEN, UM, RELIED ON FOR ANY KIND OF REAL, REAL USE TO THE SITE IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THIS ISN'T GETTING DONE OVER HERE. 
          THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE WILL BE COMPLETELY FINISHED OUT LONG AND OPERATIONAL LONG BEFORE ANYONE THINKS THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN. 
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YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND, THE, THE LIFESPAN OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE LIKE 15 YEARS TO BUILD OUT THIS ROAD IS NOT COMING THROUGH HERE IN 15 YEARS, NOT EVEN CLOSE. 
          SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF, IF THE DEVELOPMENT WARRANTED IT, THE IT AND THE CITY WANTED IT THERE, THEY COULD CONSTRUCT A LITTLE BIT OF IT AND BASICALLY JUST USE IT FOR A DRIVEWAY. 
          BUT THEIR ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY DOLLARS DON'T, UM, DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES. 
          AND SO IN THAT CASE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, UM, SOME KIND OF, UH, REGIONAL PROJECT, UH, CITY BOND, UM, YOU KNOW, RAI DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING, IT'S AN EAST WEST, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT FUNDED BY A BIGGER AGENCY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TECHNICAL QUESTIONS? SO I CAN TALK ABOUT SOME, I WANNA TALK ALSO ABOUT, UM, SOME REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. 
          JUST BIG PICTURE, UM, WHEN YOU KIND OF ZOOM OUT FROM THIS SITE. 
          UM, SO CAN WE GO TO THE OTHER EXHIBIT THAT HAS THE, THE COLORS? OKAY, SO THIS, THIS EXHIBIT IS PROBABLY, UH, ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE ON THE PACKET AS WELL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT RIGHT HERE AND THIS IS THE, UM, PROPOSED ALIGNMENT UP THERE. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE, DOES THE ROAD, UM, THAT WILL NOT LIKELY BE BUILT , DOES THE LINE GET DRAWN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS? UM, WHAT IS HAPPENING? JUST BIG PICTURE. 
          SO, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOOP 1604, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT IN HERE IN THIS AREA, AND YOU LOOK UP HERE, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO THE NORTH, WHAT'S UP HERE TO THE NORTH? SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY DENSE DEVELOPMENT UP IN HERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW ALL OF IT HERE IN THIS PICTURE, BUT, UM, YOU'VE GOT APPLEWOOD, UH, THE APPLEWOOD DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE WESTLAKES DEVELOPMENT OVER IN HERE, WHICH IS NEXT TO THAT NURSERY. 
          YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE OVER HERE AND, AND LOTS OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY OVER HERE NORTH OF THE MEDINA RIVER FLOW PLAIN. 
          SO THE, THE DENSITY OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, NOR TO THE NOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS IS, UH, SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE IN, IN YOUR PACKET, UM, SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER. 
          AND I'LL, LET ME TELL YOU THE DATE OF THAT LETTER SO YOU CAN FIND IT. 
          SO LET'S SEE, THAT IS, YEAH, THE OCTOBER 22ND, 2024 LETTER. 
          SO IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE APPLEWOOD RANCH, UH, 733 HOMES, RIGHT? THE WESTLAKES DEVELOPMENT, 1400 HOMES, YOU'VE GOT MAGNOLIA VILLAGE MEDINA LANDING, UM, AGAIN, SAT FOUR AND LOTS OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, YES MA'AM, CAN YOU REFERENCE THEM BECAUSE YOU REFERENCED THEM IN THEIR, IN THE LETTER, UM, AND I WAS TRYING TO, THERE'S THE PROPOSAL OF THE NEW HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT. 
          IF YOU COULD SHOW IT ON THE MAP, PLEASE, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO, AND I'M NOT, I'M GONNA WALK UP HERE AND SEE IF I CAN SEE IT OR LOOK IN THIS EXHIBIT. 
          AND WE MIGHT NEED TO PULL UP A BETTER, JUST A BETTER REGIONAL MAP, A GIS MAP. 
          IF YOU HAVE ONE, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A, JUST A MAPS OR A GIS MAP, I MEAN I CAN TRY, TRY BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR BY 2028. 
          YEAH, YOU, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, YOU SHOULD, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. 
          SO KEEP GOING TO THE NORTH. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A CURRENT MAP, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE ALL, ALL THAT IS BUILT OUT. 
          IS THERE A, UH, , WELL, THAT'S WESTLAKE'S RIGHT THERE. 
          SO, AND THEN APPLEWOOD IS IS OVER HERE NORTH OF, TO THE NORTH, RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN, AND, AND THIS ISN'T A CURRENT MAP. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET A MORE CURRENT MAP, PROBABLY MAPS THERE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO THIS IS WESTLAKES OVER IN HERE, APPLEWOOD OVER IN HERE. 
          THERE'S THE SAP FOUR WAREHOUSE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UM, MORE, AND OF COURSE THIS IS THE, UM, THE BASE RIGHT HERE, LACKLAND. 
          BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT, UM, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY DOWN IN HERE IN THIS AREA. 
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THERE'S THE SEWER LINE THAT WAS BUILT FOR, UM, FOR AMAZON, THE NEW PEW, UH, PEW ROAD THAT WAS BUILT FOR AMAZON. 
          AND THEN OVER DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE, UM, UNDEVELOPED STILL. 
          DOES THAT GENERALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE 2000 HOMES WERE GONNA GO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          IT'S REFERENCED IN YOUR LETTER. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          TELL ME WHERE, WHERE IT IS IN THE LETTER AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN ANSWER. 
          LET ME PULL IT BACK UP. 
          SO WE'VE GOT APPLEWOOD WITH THE 733 HOMES, RIGHT? THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SAP FOUR WAREHOUSE. 
          YOU'VE GOT WESTLAKES NEXT TO THE, NEXT TO THE, UH, NURSERY WITH 1,437 HOMES, MAGNOLIA VILLAGE, 174 MEDINA LANDING 201. 
          SO WHERE ARE YOU, WHERE ARE YOU SAYING 2000 HOMES OR LET ME FIND IT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S PROBABLY THE SUM OF ALL THOSE AND THEN IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S, UH, I'M NOT SEEING THAT NUMBER IN THIS LETTER, BUT MAYBE IT WAS ADDING THEM UP. 
          IT'S 1437 THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE BUILT OUT BY 2028. 
          I GUESS IT'S THE WESTLAKES, RIGHT? WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          SO THEY'RE PROPOSING AN EXPANSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT RIGHT NOW. 
          NO. 
          SO THE WESTLAKES DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THEIR TIA WAS PROPOSING 1,437 RESIDENTIAL HOMES WITH FULL BUILD OUT EXPECTED BY 2028. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WESTLAKES RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SAY, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO 2028, AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN CURRENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE STREETS ARE ALREADY PLATTED, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THE HOSE HOUSES ARE GONNA GO. 
          THERE'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL STREETS OR EXPANSION BEYOND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE FULL OF IT. 
          IT'S JUST THE HOUSES AREN'T BUILT OUT, SO, OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          1,437 HOMES RIGHT HERE. 
          I WOULD SAY THERE'S, IT'S PROBABLY MORE BUILT OUT THAN WHAT'S SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE PLATTED, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN SEE UNDER UNDERNEATH THERE. 
          SO, AND THEN THE MEDINA LANDING AND THE MED AND THE, UM, MAGNOLIA VILLAGE IS OVER HERE IN FRONT. 
          THAT'S, THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE DENSE, DENSE COMMUNITIES YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. 
          MORE LIKE TOWN HOMES. 
          THIS IS MORE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THESE, UH, THESE ARE TOWN HOMES. 
          AND I, I CAN SEE THAT ON MY, ON MY GOOGLE MAPS OR I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP. 
          BUT YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY THE ROADS ARE PLATTED RIGHT THERE BECAUSE ALL THE ROADS ARE PLATTED. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANY ADDITIONAL ROADS THAT ARE GONNA BE PLATTED FOR ANY OF THE HOUSING THAT'S REFERENCED IN YOUR LETTER. 
          I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, NO, NOT THAT I CAN, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THIS RIGHT HERE, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BUILD OUT RIGHT HERE FOR, UM, FOR WESTLAKES, AND I DON'T EXPECT ANY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR ON THE NURSERY SITE. 
          I DON'T EXPECT IT TO EXPAND TO THE WEST. 
          UM, TOO MANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS ON THE NURSERY SITE FOR THAT. 
          AND SO THEN, AND THEN OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE IS, UM, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE, TO THE BASE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN BE DEVELOPED UNDER CERTAIN, UM, CONSTRAINTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THIS PROPOSED ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT. 
          WHEN, WHEN WAS IT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED? UM, THE MCDONALD LACOSTE? YES. 
          SORRY, I'M MISSING WHO ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          NO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          MICHAEL, RIGHT? YES, MICHAEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 78 IS TO 1978. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S WHEN, UM, AND THOSE WERE PAPER MAPS THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE ALL THAT WELL TO, UM, THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, THE TYPE OF GIS TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE HERE TODAY. 
          AND, AND HOW COMMON IS IT FOR GOD, WHAT IS THAT, 50 YEARS AGO? SO 50 YEARS TO GO BY FOR THINGS TO CHANGE AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE IS THIS A COMMON OCCURRENCE WHERE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT'S OUT THERE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE, WE SHOULD CHANGE IT. 
          OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, SINCE 1978 WE'VE DECIDED THIS AND WE JUST PUSH FORWARD NO MATTER WHAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AMENDMENT PROCESS IS BECAUSE THINGS DO CHANGE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE, I I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR THE CITY HERE, I THINK, BUT THE, THE MAJOR THIRD FAIR, FAIR PLAN IS A BIG PICTURE PLANNING TOOL, RIGHT? IT'S NOT INTENDED TO, 
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TO SAY YOU MUST CONNECT HERE AND YOU MUST CONNECT THERE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING YOU THE, THE BIG PICTURE, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO FOLLOW THE INTENT. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY THE MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT A FEW TIMES OVER MY CAREER. 
          I, I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON FOR THE PROCESS AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT HAPPENS FREQUENTLY. 
          SO, SO IN YOUR OPINION, INSTEAD OF 1978, WE WERE MAKING THIS TODAY, WOULD, WOULD THIS EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION THROWN OUT THERE THAT HEY, THIS IS THE LOCATION THIS ROAD SHOULD GO. 
          HI, KAT HERNANDEZ. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR OUR CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, UH, YES, IF WE WERE CREATING IT TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND ALIGNED IT WITH, UH, WHERE THERE ARE CURRENT ROADS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA IMPACT AND PUT ALIGNMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES OR, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FRONT DOORS. 
          UM, WHEN THE, UH, PAPER MAPS TRANSITIONED INTO DIGITAL MAPS, THERE REALLY WASN'T A VALIDATION PROCESS THAT OCCURRED, UH, BECAUSE IF THAT HAD OCCURRED, WE WOULD'VE CAUGHT THIS. 
          AND, AND THERE ARE A A LOT MORE THAT WERE FINDING, UH, WITHIN OTHER AREAS, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE, UH, CORRECTED. 
          UM, IT'S JUST THAT THAT VALIDATION PROCESS DID NOT OCCUR BACK THEN. 
          SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE WOULD'VE FOLLOWED THE NELSON ROAD ALIGNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT DISJOINTED, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE CONNECTED SOMEHOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THERE WOULD NOT, IF, IF SOMEBODY WAS DOING THIS TODAY, THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED, IS THAT ACCURATE ON THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT? THE, THE DARK RED LINE? YES. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. 
          IF YOU HAD A LARGE MAP THAT DID NOT HAVE STREETS ON IT, ON, ON A TABLE, AND YOU HAD A MARKER, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOMEBODY WAS GOING, OH YEAH, NELSON ROAD'S RIGHT AROUND HERE. 
          WE SHOULD FOLLOW THAT BECAUSE THEN IT CONNECTS TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          UM, BUT WHEN IT GOT TRANSPOSED DIGITALLY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WITH THAT CURVATURE THAT IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WASN'T. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY IF WE WERE TO DRAW 'EM TODAY, WE WOULD DRAW THE, WHERE THE DASH LINE IS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD FOLLOW MO, UH, MOST OF NELSON ROAD. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO, SO LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION TO CONTINUE ON THAT. 
          IF WE WERE DRAWING IT TODAY BASED ON WHERE THINGS ARE, WOULD THIS EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION OR IS IT ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS THERE IN 1978 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS A REFERENCE POINT THAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED? ARE, ARE YOU ASKING, WOULD WE NEED TO DO AN AMENDMENT TODAY? WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT PRETEND THIS OLD 1978 MAP DIDN'T EXIST MM-HMM . 
          AND SOMEONE SAID TO YOU, HEY, WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER OUR MAJOR THOROUGH FA MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          WOULD SOMEBODY LOOKING AT CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT LAND USES, WHATEVER, EVEN HAVE THAT DASH LINE? OR WOULD, WOULD THIS AREA EVEN BE AN AREA OF FOCUS THAT NEEDS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR WOULD THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S ENOUGH CONNECTIVITY AROUND HERE ALREADY THAT THIS IS NOT AN AREA TO FOCUS ON. 
          I THE GIS MAP OUT ON OUR POWERPOINT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, WE, WE WANT EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY, UH, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY WE, WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH JUST REMOVING IT ENTIRELY. 
          UH, SO YES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE SOME SORT OF CONNECTIVITY TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF EASIER TRANSITION, UH, GOING EAST, UH, TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PUT ALL OF THE CONFLICTS ON THE REMAINING AREAS. 
          LOOP 1604 ALREADY IS, IS, UH, QUITE CONGESTED IN THAT AREA, UH, UNTIL TXDOT STARTS MAKING THOSE EXPANSIONS. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY YES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE SOME SORT OF WEST TO EAST OR EAST EAST, WHAT AM I SAYING? WEST? EAST, WEST CONNECTION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO LET'S GO TO THE SOUTH, UM, BACK OR BACK TO THE MAP AND JUST KIND OF LOOK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE YOU HAVE THE, UH, COMMUNITY OF MCDONOUGH OVER HERE, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A, A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY, UM, COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN THOSE AREAS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND, UM, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE SHOWN ON OUR OTHER EXHIBIT, THE ONE THAT WE HAD UP WITH THE COLORS. 
          YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          THIS ONE OVER HERE, WEST ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1604, PRETTY MUCH ALL FLOODPLAIN HERE. 
          ALSO SOUTH OF SOUTH OF MCDONOUGH. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, SEE THOSE BLUE LINES. 
          SO NOT A WHOLE LOT OF, UM, DENSE DEVELOPMENT ANTICIPATED IN THIS AREA, AT LEAST WITHOUT NOT OVERCOMING SOME SIGNIFICANT FLOODPLAIN CHALLENGES. 
          SO JUST KIND OF BIG PICTURE NORTH, WE SEE VERY DENSELY DEVELOPED, UM, 
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AREA AND POTENTIAL FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          THERE'S A LOW DENSITY, COMMUN LOW DENSITY COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE WITH LIMITED POTENTIAL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THIS WEST SIDE. 
          SO JUST BIG PICTURE, UH, JUST BASED ON NORTH AND SOUTH ALONE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, ARE THINKING, OKAY, WELL THIS ROAD REALLY DOES NEED TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, POTENTIAL REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY FOR THAT, FOR THE DENSE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH. 
          SO THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UH, KAT WAS SAYING, NOW WE NEED TO LOOK KIND OF EAST WEST, BECAUSE THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE LOOKING AT, UM, NOT REMOVING THIS ROAD FROM THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          SO NOW WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK TO THE WEST. 
          SO, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, MEDINA COUNTY OUT THERE PAST, SO, AND WHEN I SAY WEST AND FAR WEST, I MEAN OUT WEST OF, UM, THE COMMUNITY OF MCDONOUGH, LIKE OUT MEDINA COUNTY AREA THAT, THAT AREA. 
          SO, UM, TODAY, SO FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING, UM, ON MCDONNA LACOSTE TODAY, UM, OUT FROM THE MEDINA COUNTY AREA, AND STILL A VERY RURAL AREA OUT THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT JUST HASN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. 
          UM, IT IS DEFINITELY GETTING THERE NOW, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT THERE YET. 
          AND WATER AND, AND OTHER LIMITATIONS. 
          SO, UM, TODAY, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE WEST, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY BELIEVES THE WEST EAST CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT, WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY? SO YOU'RE COMING, UM, OVER HERE ON MCDONALD LACOSTE, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, THE MAJOR, OUR, OUR LIMITS OF THIS PLAN AMENDMENT ARE RIGHT HERE. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, UH, ANYTHING TO THE WEST OF 1604 JUST YET. 
          UM, MAINLY BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT FROM 1604 TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD, BUT COMING FROM, COMING FROM THE WEST, COMING, UM, FROM LACOSTE MEDINA COUNTY, YOU'RE GONNA COME, UM, THIS WAY ON MCDONALD LACOSTE ROAD, AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE TWO BLACK LINES RIGHT THERE THAT ARE DRAWN AT 86 FOOT WIDE. 
          SO THERE'LL BE, UM, A LOT OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION IN HERE THROUGH, UM, THOSE, UH, RURAL LOTS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A KIND OF A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. 
          SO, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE COMING TODAY, THEY'RE GONNA COME EAST OVER HERE, RIGHT? AND, AND THEY HIT THIS LITTLE JUG HANDLE. 
          THIS IS HOW THEY GET TO 1604. 
          SO THEY'RE COMING, THEY COME UNDER 1604 BECAUSE 1604 ALREADY BRIDGES OVER THE RAIL, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SIX, THE, THE NORTH SOUTH 1604 IS GOING UP AND OVER THE RAIL. 
          SO MCDONALD ACOS RIGHT HERE IS GOING, IS GOING UNDER 1604 BECAUSE 1604 IS ALREADY UP AND OVER. 
          SO THEN THEY'D COME AROUND THIS LITTLE JUG HANDLE RIGHT HERE, AND THEN COME IN AT THAT POINT. 
          AND THAT'S HOW THEY GET TO 1604 CURRENTLY TODAY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL TXDOT IMPROVES, UM, IMPROVES 1604 WITH FRONTAGE ROADS, THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO EXIST FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO WHAT, HOW DO THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE GET EAST? HOW, HOW DOES THAT EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY, HOW IS IT ACCOMPLISHED TODAY? THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THIS JUG HANDLE, GET TO 1604 AND, AND THEN TURN RIGHT AND, AND, AND GO OVER THE BRIDGE USING THE 1604 MAIN LANES. 
          GET UP TO 90 OR THEY'RE GONNA TURN LEFT. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN HERE TO THE, TO THE, UM, 1604 OLD PEARSALL INTERSECTION. 
          AND THEN, UM, EITHER CONTINUE SOUTH TO 35, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD DO, CONTINUE SOUTH TO 35, WHICH GETS YOU BACK TO FOUR 10. 
          OR IF THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY NEED TO BE OVER HERE ON OLD PEARSALL ROAD, THEY'LL TURN LEFT AND GO IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL AND, UM, CONTINUE DOWN OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          YOU CAN ALSO GET TO FOUR 10 FROM OLD PEARSALL ROAD. 
          SO YOU CAN GET TO FOUR 10 FROM COMING FROM GOING 35 TO FOUR 10, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, OR TURN LEFT ON OLD PIERSALL ROAD AND GET TO FOUR 10. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TODAY USING THIS LITTLE, USING THIS LITTLE JUG HANDLE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHAT ARE THE BRIDGE SPANS LIKE ON THE, UH, 1604 UNDERPASS THERE? 86 FEET OR, UH, OH, NO. 
          UH, WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT MIGHT BE, BUT PROBABLY NOT OVER HERE. 
          IT'S JUST A, THIS LITTLE ROAD. 
          I, I HONESTLY HAVE NOT MEASURED IT, BUT JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE, LOOKING AT THE, THE MAPS, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. 
          UM, BUT THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IN THAT WHAT'S NEXT FOR TXDOT? UM, YOU KNOW, A AGAIN, LOTS AND LOTS OF CONSTRAINTS OVER HERE IN THIS AREA TO JUSTIFY THE, THIS COST ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          SO, SO THIS MOVEMENT IS WHAT'S 
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GONNA HAPPEN FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT TO 1604 AND GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING FROM, FROM THAT POINT. 
          UM, SO THEN WHAT'S NEXT? RIGHT? WHAT'S IN THE FUTURE? SO, UM, PROBABLY, AND I'M JUST GUESSING I'M GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE PROBABLY THE NEXT THING IS TXDOT IMPROVES 1604 TO A, UH, FREEWAY SECTION WITH REAL FRONTAGE ROADS. 
          SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, UM, YOU, YOU NOW HAVE FRONTAGE ROADS RIGHT HERE IN ADDITION TO THE MAIN LANES. 
          UM, SO WHEN I ASKED OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UH, YOU KNOW, HEY, WILL TXDOT, WILL TDOT, UH, CONTINUE THE FRONTAGE ROADS OVER, OVER THE, THE RAIL RIGHT HERE? THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, WHAT THEY TRY TO DO. 
          THEY TRY TO HAVE CONTINUOUS FRONTAGE ROADS AND THEY WILL NOT PUT THE FRONTAGE ROAD AT AN AT GRADE CROSSING. 
          THEY'RE GONNA COME UP AND OVER WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON, 'CAUSE OUR GOOD FRIENDS@T.LOVE TO BUILD A LOT OF STUFF AND NOT NECESSARILY, UM, ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR RUNOFF. 
          THEY ONLY, UH, HOLD FOR MAYBE 50 YEAR EVENT. 
          UM, THEY'LL MAKE THEIR ROADWAYS PASSABLE IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, BUT WHERE THEIR ROADWAYS DISCHARGE WATER HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES DOWNSTREAM FROM THEM. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THAT AS YOU LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THESE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS THAT YOU ADVOCATE, UH, BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T BE BURDENED WITH THAT RUNOFF, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN ARSEN AND COUNTY, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GONNA SEE IT AT 1604 AND I 10, WE ALREADY SEE IT AT FOUR 10 AND I 10. 
          I MEAN, WE SEE IT AT GOLIAD. 
          WHAT HAPPENED UP THERE AT, I'M SORRY, AT BATTLE CREEK AND FOUR 10. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S HISTORY, AND PLEASE DON'T LET IT REPEAT ITSELF AS NEW DEVELOPMENT MAY HAPPEN BECAUSE AS OUR ENGINEER IS SPEAKING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROBABLY INTENTIONS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 1604 AREA, AND WE CAN ALWAYS, WE CAN SEE THE COMPLEXITY OF RUNOFFS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TRIBUTARIES IN THIS AREA. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN'T JUST LET THE STATE CONTINUE TO, UH, PASS THE BUCK ONTO US. 
          SO IF YOU'LL JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND THE, I I THINK IN EVEN THE STATE WILL HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO OVERCOME HERE AS WELL. 
          EVERYONE WILL. 
          BUT, UM, SO WHAT BIG PICTURE, WHAT DO WE EXPECT FROM TXDOT THOUGH, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY? RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE 1604 SECTION FREEWAY SECTION. 
          SO FRONTAGE ROAD BRIDGES RIGHT OVER THE RAILROAD RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THERE, THERE WILL BE A, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR TDOT, BUT I KIND OF HAVE TO GUESS WHAT IT IS THEY'RE GONNA DO HERE. 
          SO, UM, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FRONTAGE ROADS, UH, THOSE FRONTAGE ROADS WILL BE ELEVATED UP AND OVER, UH, THE, UH, THE RAIL RIGHT HERE AT THIS POINT. 
          ALSO, YOU'LL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY ONE DAY THIS, THE INTERSECTION OF 1604 NOLL PEARSALL WILL BE GRADE SEPARATED, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW IT'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE BEEN VISITING THE SITE MORE AND MORE, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A SECTION OF 1604 WITH JUST A TRAFFIC SIGNAL RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS, IT IS DEFINITELY THERE. 
          SO, UH, BUT WHEN TDOT COMES IN AND EXPANDS THIS TO FREEWAY, THIS IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, A GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION. 
          SO, UM, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY, HOW DO PEOPLE FROM MEDINA COUNTY, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THEN? SO THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING TO THE EAST, UM, POTENTIALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'LL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT STUDYING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WEST OF 1604 RIGHT NOW. 
          SO ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET TO 1604 SOMEHOW OVER HERE. 
          SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S A FRONTAGE ROAD THERE, UM, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL GET TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD AT SOME POINT, AND THEN INSTEAD OF, UM, INSTEAD OF TAKING THIS LITTLE JUG HANDLE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WILL LIKELY CONTINUE DOWN ON A FRONTAGE ROAD AND TAKE A TURNAROUND AND, AND COME BACK UP. 
          UM, OR, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL CONTINUE, UH, CONTINUE OVER HERE, DO ANOTHER JUG HANDLE TO A FRONTAGE ROAD OVER HERE, AND THEY GO THAT WAY. 
          THERE'S MANY, MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR, UH, WHAT TXDOT COULD DO RIGHT HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, OR I WOULD EXPECT TDOT WOULD HAVE THIS FREEWAY SECTION DONE LONG BEFORE THIS EVER GETS CONNECTED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, IF THESE FOLKS ARE WANTING TO GET TO FOUR 10, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET THEIR, ONCE TXDOT IS DONE, THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE FRONTAGE ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN HERE, UM, GET ON THE FREEWAY, COME TO 35 4 10, AND, AND THEY'RE OFF. 
          THEY COULD ALSO EXIT THE FREEWAY, COME TO ASSUMING THIS IS GRADE SEPARATED AT THAT POINT, COME TURN 
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LEFT ON OLD PIERCE CELL ROAD, ALSO GET TO FOUR 10. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, UM, WITH THE TXDOT MAIN LANE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND I HAVE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE. 
          I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR TXDOT ON THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN GET A VISUAL OF WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MICHAEL. 
          SO I THINK YOU'RE, UM, JUST KIND OF SPEAKING TO THIS, UM, BUT I KNOW PART OF, PART OF OUR DECISION IS WHETHER IT'S THE ALIGNMENT THAT RUNS NORTH OF THE TRACKS OR SOUTH OF THE TRACKS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE PORTION OF MADONNA LACO THAT IS, UM, EAST OF 1604 IS SOUTH OF THE TRACKS. 
          SO IF WE SELECT THE ALIGNMENT NORTH OF THE TRACKS, UH, WEST OF 1604, HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT TRANSITION FROM SOUTH OF THE TRACKS TO NORTH OF THE TRACKS? SO, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS JUST KIND OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS TO DO THAT TODAY. 
          WHAT WILL HAPPEN, UM, WITHOUT THE FREEWAY SECTION, JUST LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY TODAY. 
          'CAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING, UM, ANYTIME SOON EITHER. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA COME UNDER, UNDER THE 1604 RIGHT HERE ALONGSIDE THE RAIL, RIGHT? YOU'RE RUNNING NEXT TO THE RAIL, AND THEN YOU COME, YOU COME ON THIS JUG HANDLE RIGHT HERE, YOU TURN RIGHT? AND THIS GETS YOU UP TO THE MAIN LANES. 
          SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AT FULL BUILD OUT, IS THERE, IS THERE A BETTER SOLUTION OR IS IT ALWAYS GONNA BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO GO SOUTH TO GO BACK NORTH? UM, IS THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE SOME BRIDGE OPTION? IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT CONSTRAINED BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE OVERPASS AT 1604, BUT IS THERE SOME POSSIBILITY OR, OR WOULD YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE TO, TO THE WEST? SO, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I, I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT TDOT'S GOING TO DO, BUT YES, I MEAN, I, I WOULD SAY IF, AND THAT IS ASSUMING THAT MCDONALD ACOSTA REMAINS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS OVER HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK FURTHER, FURTHER TO THE WEST, I I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A MINUTE. 
          BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU'RE, IF, IF THIS REMAINS ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS OVER HERE AND THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, UM, KIND OF RURAL LOTS WHERE THEY TAKE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH FOR ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE PROPERTIES RIGHT THERE, THEN IT WOULD CONTINUE ACROSS OVER HERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, LIKELY, LIKELY IT WOULD BE THE SAME JUG HANDLE THAT'S THERE TODAY, BUT INSTEAD UP TO A FRONTAGE ROAD INSTEAD OF THE MAIN LANES. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE MAIN, THE FRONTAGE ROAD BRIDGE WOULD THEN GET YOU OVER, OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEN, AND THEN YOU WOULD CONTINUE ON, UM, IT WOULD CONNECT BACK OVER HERE IN A SIMILAR PROBABLY JUG HANDLE FORM. 
          SO IT'D BE KIND OF A, A LOOP AND THEN A LOOP BACK OVER HERE. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD CONTINUE, CONTINUE ON THIS NORTH SIDE. 
          UM, SO IF IT REMAINED OVER OVER HERE, AND IF THE FRONTAGE ROADS WERE THERE, UM, YOU WOULD PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, YOU, YOU COULD CONTINUE ACROSS OVER HERE AND THEN JUST ENCOUNTER OTHER BRIDGES, UH, ALONG THE WAY OVER THE MEDINA RIVER AND THE SPURS, UH, OVER IN THIS AREA. 
          SO, BUT, BUT YES, IT'S, IT WOULD BE LIKE A, LET'S SAY THE FREEWAYS ARE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S FRONTAGE ROAD BRIDGES RIGHT HERE. 
          SO YOU, YOU DO A LOOP AROUND, GET TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD, COME OVER HERE, AND THEN YOU LOOP AROUND AND GET BACK OVER HERE. 
          IF THAT IS, IF YOU HAD SOME STRONG DESIRE TO BE OVER HERE IN THIS AREA ON OLD PEARSALL ROAD, INSTEAD OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO JUST GET TO 1604 AND GO NORTH AND SOUTH AND, AND COME DOWN OVER HERE TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD AND GO UP THIS WAY, IF YOU HAD SOME STRONG DESIRE TO GET TO OLD PEARSALL ROAD THIS WAY RATHER THAN THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE, I MEAN, SCHOOL TRAFFIC IS, YOU KNOW, IS REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL ISSUE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, DOES, DOES OVERCOMING THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AT CERTAIN PARTS OF DAY JUSTIFY THE, THIS, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS NO. 
          UH, BUT COULD IT 50 YEARS FROM NOW MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WITH THIS SIGNALED INTERSECTION, THE TRAFFIC'S COMING ON OLD PEARSALL ROAD ACCESS THE SCHOOL AT THOSE GATES, LIKELY IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS A FRONTAGE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, SO LIKELY WHAT YOU'D HAVE IS ONE OF THOSE TEXAS TURNAROUNDS, AND YOU'D COME UP HERE AND THEN, AND THEN TURN RIGHT OVER HERE ON DRAG. 
          I THINK IT'S DRAGON LANE RIGHT OVER THERE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YES, IF, IF 
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BIG, IF MCDONALD LACOSTE DOES RE DOES REMAIN ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, THEN IT COULD CONTINUE THIS DIRECTION. 
          BUT THERE'D HAVE TO BE A STRONG REASON TO GO BUILD THIS, TO GET TO HERE. 
          THAT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED OVERCOMING TO THERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO THEN, UH, I ALSO, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTIONS, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT TXDOT I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND STUDY IT ALONG WITH THE CITY. 
          BUT I DID ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT OVER HERE TO THE WEST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO KIND OF WOLF ROAD OVER HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, NELSON ROAD OVER HERE ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS. 
          SO IF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT DOES MOVE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS, THEY COULD FOLLOW THAT ALSO FURTHER WEST INTO TOWARD MEDINA COUNTY. 
          YOU HAVE TWO NORTH SOUTH MAJOR THOROUGHFARE NOR NORTH, SOUTH MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT ARE ALSO PROPOSED ON THE CITY'S MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR PLAN, UM, MONTGOMERY ROAD. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE TO WALK UP THERE AND SEE THAT, BUT YEAH, IT'S EVEN, IT'S EVEN FURTHER, I THINK ONE IS MONTGOMERY, THERE'S MONTGOMERY ROAD, AND THEN THERE'S A MASTERSON ROAD, AND BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT NOW SHOW INTERSECTIONS. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE FURTHER, MASTERSON I THINK IS FURTHER OUT THIS WAY, BUT THEY SHOW INTERSECTIONS RIGHT AT THE RAILROAD RIGHT HERE. 
          SO, AGAIN, SORRY, KEN'S LOOKING AT, KEN'S LOOKING AT HIS WATCH. 
          I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS IN 78, RIGHT? AND YOU WANNA REMOVE THAT, RIGHT? AND YOUR LETTER IS OPTION TWO, WHICH T SAYS NO, TDOT WANTS TO SUPPORT THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS. 
          THAT LEADS TO NOWHERE. 
          BUT YOU WANT IT ON THE, HEY, PUT IT ON YOUR MIC. 
          OH, SORRY, , BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT ON THE NORTH. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE DELETING IT AND THEN PUTTING THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. 
          I'LL SECOND, BUT I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          YEAH, WE DO. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION. 
          LET ME, NO, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION. 
          CAN I JUST CLARIFY? IT'S NOT A REMOVAL AND A REPLACEMENT, IT'S JUST A REALIGNMENT. 
          WE'RE SHIFTING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, AND I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION, BUT WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I WILL GET TO THE POINT HERE QUICKLY, KEN, I PROMISE, I KNOW IT'S AN EXPENSIVE MEETING AND YOU HAVE PLACES TO BE, BUT, UM, SO THE, THE, THE ROADWAYS THAT INTERSECT OVER HERE IN MCDONALD ACOS ROAD, THEY INTERSECT RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD. 
          SO AGAIN, YOU DON'T BUILD MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AT GRADE CROSSINGS, RIGHT? AT RAILROAD GRADE CROSSINGS. 
          SO THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE MOVED OFF OF THE ROAD SOMEHOW, OR AWAY FROM THE RAILROAD OR ELEVATED UP IN THE AIR. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE MANY, MANY OPTIONS TO, TO YOUR POINT, MICHAEL, TO GET TRAFFIC FROM ONE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD THROUGH OTHER INTERSECTIONS, BOTH AT 1604 AND FURTHER TO THE WEST. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT SOLUTION. 
          THAT IS, UM, NOT, AND, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY'S INTERESTED IN HAVING US EXPLORE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, SUMMARY, I'LL GET TO THE SUMMARY FOR, FOR KEN HERE. 
          QUICK, QUICKLY. 
          SO IN SUMMARY, THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, AND IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, UM, BACK TO THE ORANGE. 
          YEP. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OVER HERE SEVERELY IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, THE UNION PACIFIC PROPERTY PRETTY MUCH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AND ARE, DO WE WANNA DO THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS TOO MANY CONSTRAINTS TO EVER BE BUILT ANYWAY, SO THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER POTENTIAL ALIGNMENT THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT, BUT WE CALLED IT, YOU KNOW, OPTION TWO OVER HERE. 
          SO YOU HAVE THAT ONE, YOU'VE GOT A GIANT BRIDGE OVER THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          YOU'VE GOT A BIGGER BRIDGE OVER, UH, THE, THE RAILROAD SPURS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          YOU'VE GOT A RAMP UP OVER GIANT, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE OVER HERE, AND THEN, UM, POTENTIALLY RAMP UP TO AN EXISTING ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE RIGHT HERE THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS ALTERNATE B THEN YOU'VE GOT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE BRIDGE OVER HERE IN THIS AREA. 
          YOU'VE GOT A GIANT BRIDGE OVER THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          ALSO, STILL MANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS RIGHT HERE. 
          IT DOES CONNECT TO EXISTING NELSON ROAD. 
          IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGN OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE RAILROAD. 
          IT DOESN'T CONNECT WELL RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SKEWED ANGLE RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME THOUGHT GIVEN TO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT IT, THIS 
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NORTH SIDE ALIGNMENT DOES HAVE SOLUTIONS THAT STILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, UM, AT 1604 AND TO THE WEST. 
          SO MY POINT IS, WE'RE REQUESTING IT TO BE MO AMENDED FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION TO, UM, THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAIL AS SHOWN BY THE DASH LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW I THINK ISAAC WOULD LIKE TO FINISH HIS PRESENTATION. 
          . 
          THANK YOU SHAUNA, FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS. 
          UM, SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK, QUICK TIMELINE, UM, WE HELD OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 3RD, THIS PAST MONDAY. 
          UH, WE HAD SIX ATTENDEES, FIVE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE, THAT WERE ATTENDING THERE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OBVIOUSLY, WAS HOW IF THIS AMENDMENT WAS TO GO THROUGH, UH, HOW TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO GO ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND HOW WE COULD, HOW COULD THERE BE AN AVOIDANCE OF, UM, AN UPGRADE CROSSING, UH, GOING ACROSS THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEIR SIDING. 
          UM, AS FOR THE NEXT STEPS, UM, WE WE'RE ASSIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMM PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 19TH, AS WELL AS WITH CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH. 
          SO, UH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I GUESS WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW THERE IS ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE LIST, SO I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON'S NAME. 
          NIKKI, DO YOU HAVE THAT? ALAN? BELIEVE THAT'S ME. 
          OKAY. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK FOR, FOR MORE TIME BECAUSE I, IM SORRY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS ALAN JANGA. 
          I LIVE AT 97 41 NELSON ROAD. 
          UH, IT IS THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, 1604 WHERE THE RAILROAD CROSSING IS. 
          OKAY, THIS PLAN HERE IS BAD DESIGN. 
          ALRIGHT? ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE TALKING BAD ENOUGH LIKE SQUARE AIR CANISTERS VERSUS ROUND CANISTERS ON APOLLO 13, BECAUSE THIS PLANT ESSENTIALLY DESTROYS THE EAST WEST TRANSITION TRANSPORTATION THAT THIS PART OF THIS PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR. 
          BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR GETTING, UH, TRAFFIC ACROSS. 
          THE RAILROAD TRACKS IT ONCE YOU PLACE IT STARTED OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN TRY TO MOVE IT TO THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          OKAY? THE BRIDGE ALREADY DOES THAT. 
          THE EXISTING BRIDGE DOES THAT. 
          NOW, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE LOOK AT IT, EVEN WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THERE, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CHANGES MADE TO THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE JUST WHAT SHE'S DESCRIBED HERE TODAY, THAT BRIDGE THAT'S THERE DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE IT. 
          SO THAT BRIDGE IS GONNA END UP BEING REBUILT. 
          MOST OF THE ISSUES DEALING WITH THE DRAINAGE AND RIGHT AWAY ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER WHERE THE OLD NELSON, WHERE THE NELSON ROAD ON NORTH SIDE, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE IT TO THE NORTH SIDE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS WHEN THEY TRY TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY? NOW, THE SIMPLE FACT NOW, AND ONCE YOU CROSS THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ELEVATED ROADWAYS GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILT UP. 
          A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 
          THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE HORRIBLE. 
          86 FEET ISN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER. 
          OKAY? THE QUARRIES THAT ARE ON MY PROPERTY, THAT LAKE THERE, THAT'S TOO CLOSE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A LOT MORE, MORE TERRITORY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, WEST OF THE RIVER, THAT 86 FOOT IS ALREADY THERE IN PLACE. 
          THAT IS THE OLD RIGHT OF WAY FOR NELSON ROAD. 
          BEFORE 1973, NELSON ROAD CONNECTED TO MCDONALD LACOSTE ROAD THERE AT 1604, PROCEEDED EAST TO THE RIVER, WENT SOUTH TO LOW WATER CROSSING, CROSSED OVER, WENT BACK NORTH TO THE ADJACENT RAILROAD, AND THEN CROSSED OVER IN THE EXISTING RAILROAD CROSSING. 
          OKAY? THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS ALREADY THERE. 
          IT IS ALREADY PARTIALLY DEVELOPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          NOW THE SIMPLE FACT THE MATTER IS, IS THE WHOLE PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN THIS AREA IS TO GET TRAFFIC EAST AND WEST. 
          AND THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          WE'RE ALREADY GETTING COMMUTER TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM CASTORVILLE BEING, I GUESS IT'S 4 71 TO MCDONALD LACOSTE, AND FOLKS GOING EAST AND WEST THERE. 
          NOW AS THAT BUILDS UP, WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING A LOT MORE FOLKS AND THE ALTERNATIVES ARE GOING SOUTH AND NORTH IS GONNA PUT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH AREAS THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC ON WOLF ROAD IS NOT AN OPTION. 
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OLD NELSON ROAD IS ALSO NOT AN OPTION. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THAT IS THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY? THIS IS SQUARE PEGS AND ROUND HOLES. 
          WOULD SHAUNA LIKE TO HAVE A REBUTTAL? WAIT, CAN WE ASK HIM A QUESTION? YOU CAN, YEAH. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU, YOU ASK SOME QUESTION. 
          I WANT YOU TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. 
          OKAY? I WANNA GIVE YOU TWO MORE MINUTES. 
          ALRIGHT? TH TH THIS, THIS IS BAD DECISION MAKING. 
          'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE CREATING A PROBLEM KNOWING SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIX, YOU'RE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT DESTROYS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          YOU'RE PUTTING A HURDLE THERE INFRASTRUCTURE WISE THAT THIS PLAN IS MEANT TO AVOID. 
          AND THE IDEA, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN NOW. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          MY CAREER HAPPENS SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          WE ONLY GOT NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING LAST WEEK. 
          IT'S CLEAR THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON PLANNING FOR MONTHS AND WEEKS. 
          I SENT OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS. 
          Y Y'ALL'S POI OFFICERS ARE GONNA BE STARTING TO CONTACT YOU LATER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THE STUDIES AREN'T ONLINE. 
          THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS NOT ONLINE. 
          YOU KNOW, LITERALLY A LOT OF THE OBJECTIONS I RAISED LAST WEEK APPARENTLY HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED SOMEWHAT. 
          YES. 
          THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND STUFF NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THERE. 
          OKAY? PUT THE BURDEN OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS EAST WEST ROUTE ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT MOST FROM IT. 
          THE BIGGEST HURDLE HERE WE'VE GOT IS GETTING TRAFFIC OVER THE RAILROAD. 
          AND THAT ALREADY HAPPENS THERE AT PIOL ROAD. 
          AND YEAH, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY ABOUT AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION ALL ALONG 59, UH, I 10 LIKE IN HOUSTON, AND I'M SORRY, I'VE BEEN LIVING 40 YEARS IN HOUSTON, JUST MOVED BACK TO THE AREA A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          AND, BUT YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE OF HOW HORRIBLE THIS COULD BE WOULD BE THE HIGHWAY 36 90 ALTERNATE INTERCHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF RICH AND ROSENBERG. 
          IT'S A HUGE BRIDGE. 
          THERE'S TWO INTERSECTIONS UP THERE AND IT CROSSES OVER ALL SORTS OF STUFF, ALRIGHT? BUT IT'S GONNA BE THAT KIND OF SOLUTION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT. 
          'CAUSE LITERALLY IF WHOEVER IS GOING TO DEVELOP THIS ROAD, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ALL STATE EXCEPT FOR MCDONALD LACOSTE, WHICH IS COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE YOU UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS HURT TRYING TO CROSS THAT REAL CROSSING AT GAGNON. 
          OR SOME KID GETS RUN OVER, OVER BY SOUTHWEST HIGH SCHOOL BY A COMMUTER. 
          OKAY, KEN, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY, THANKS. 
          YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, SO I MEAN, NELSON ROAD CURRENTLY IS, IS A TWO LANE ROAD Y AND I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO LEAVE WHERE IT'S AT. 
          UM, IF THAT TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA, A LOT OF IT, I ASSUME IS GONNA BE LARGE COMMERCIAL TRUCKS BECAUSE IT IS A WAREHOUSING DISTRICT FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          NELSON ROAD, WEST OF THE MEDINA IS BEEN BASICALLY ABANDONED BY THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'VE STOPPED MAINTAINING IT. 
          UH, BASICALLY IT'S US IN THE RAILROAD DOING IT BECAUSE THAT IS MY ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD. 
          I GO UNDER ONE OF THE, THE, THE TRESTLES DESCRIBED. 
          UM, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THERE IS QUARRYING GOING ON UP THERE AND, UH, AND WE'RE TALKING. 
          SO SIR, CAN I, CAN FOLKS HEAR ME? YEAH, NO, NO. 
          I, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, I I ACTUALLY WANNA GET TO THE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF, OF 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC ON NELSON ROAD TO THE WEST OF THE, TO THE EAST OF THE RIVER. 
          OKAY. 
          IS HE OFF TOPIC? I WAS GONNA SAY, MY REAL QUESTION WAS, IN YOUR OPINION, AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES THERE, IF THAT 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC DOES EXPAND, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THERE OR TO ACTUALLY HAVE THEM ROUTED DOWN TO 1604 TO 35 OR TO FOUR 10 AND JUST ELIMINATE THE ENTIRE THOROUGHFARE ENTIRELY? I THINK THE SAFEST AND MOST ECONOMICAL ROUTE IN THE LONG RUN WOULD BE TO ROUTE THE TRAFFIC SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD, BASICALLY ALONG THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY TO THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION, BECAUSE EITHER GONNA HAVE 18 RULER TRAFFIC GOING ALONG, AN OLD PI SAW, WHICH HAS DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE AND LOT OF STUFF GOING NORTH. 
          IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY TO HIGHWAY NINETIES, BASICALLY ONLY EAST EASTBOUND, EASTBOUND ROUTE. 
          RIGHT NOW, WOLF ROAD, FOR INSTANCE, IS ALMOST STRICTLY 18 WHEELERS COMING FROM, UH, UH, UH, THE PROCESSING PLANT THERE. 
          UH, 
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AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC IN A FEW YEARS. 
          NELSON ROAD THERE NORTH OF AND, AND EAST OF THE, UH, RIVER AND WOLF ROAD. 
          THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE MACAU ROAD DOES IN HARRIS COUNTY. 
          OKAY, THANKS A LOT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE, I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SHAUNA, DO YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D CALL IT A REBUTTAL. 
          THAT'S KIND OF MEAN-SPIRITED, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I'M A LITTLE MEAN-SPIRITED SOMETIMES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, I DID JUST WANNA POINT OUT, I, I'VE TRIED TO FIND THE EXISTING NELSON ROAD RIGHT OF WAY, UM, SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND IT'S PRETTY FUZZY. 
          I'M SURE IT'S THERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE SURVEYS TELLING ME EXACTLY WHERE IT IS, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PRECISELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR A NEW 86 FOOT WIDE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE TO COME THROUGH THERE. 
          I, I DOUBT IT. 
          I, WHAT I DO SEE FROM THE MAPS IS THAT I THINK UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD IS ALSO WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, AND I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN THAT, BUT THE RAIL LINES LOOK TO BE KIND OF WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT I SEE ON, YOU KNOW, GIS MAPS. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DEALING WITH SURVEYS HERE, SO I CAN'T TELL PRECISELY WHAT THAT IS. 
          WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, THE EXISTENCE OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT DOESN'T CONTAIN A ROAD IS, UM, VERY, UH, LOW CONSTRAINT. 
          IT'S VERY LOW PRIORITY CONSTRAINT AS COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE, THE ALIGNMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, THE ALIGNMENT THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT THAT WOULD GO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS. 
          UM, THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED. 
          SO YOU'D BE COMING FROM UNDER, YOU'D WIDEN, TEXTILE WOULD WIDEN THE BRIDGE RIGHT AT AT 1604. 
          YOU'D WIDEN THIS BRIDGE AT 1604. 
          YOU'VE GOT A GIANT BRIDGE OVER THE MEDINA RIVER. 
          UM, THEN YOU'D COME AND HAVE A BIGGER BRIDGE OVER THE SPURS THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, A A LOT OF ELEVATED SECTION, UH, LIKE AS, AS WAS MENTIONED. 
          AND THEN YOU CONTINUE TO ELEVATE UP OVER THIS DRAINAGE AND THEN ELEVATE WAY UP HERE IN THE AIR AND, AND COME TO AN EXIST SOMEHOW CREATE AN EXISTING INTERSECTION AT AN EXISTING BRIDGE STRUCTURE. 
          GIANT BRIDGE STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IS POSSIBLE. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, AS AN ENGINEER, I DON'T THINK THIS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT TEARING DOWN THE BRIDGE AND STARTING OVER. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU CREATE AN INTERSECTION ON THAT BRIDGE MAYBE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SHAUNA. 
          UM, IS THERE A QUESTIONS GO AHEAD. 
          IN OUR EMAIL PACKET WE RECEIVED A PDF THAT SHOWS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES. 
          ARE WE ABLE TO VIEW THAT REAL QUICK? AND I WILL SAY THAT'S PROBABLY AN OLDER, AN OLDER SITE PLAN. 
          THE SITE PLAN CHANGES ABOUT EVERY, EVERY OTHER DAY. 
          BUT IS IT THAT ONE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO JUST IN LOOKING AT THIS, UH, THE PROPOSED REALIGNMENT HAS, IT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH UNION PACIFIC'S PROPERTY, AND I JUST SEE THAT THE SITE PLAN, UH, OVERLAY IS BUILDING RIGHT ON THAT. 
          UH, IF WE DON'T SHIFT THAT, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND IN LOOKING AT IT ALSO, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE, UH, OF THE SITE PLAN, THE LAND USE, UH, IS THAT COMMERCIAL RIGHT HERE? UH, YEAH, A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT OF THAT. 
          OVER HERE. 
          RIGHT THERE, YEAH. 
          THE EXISTING, YEAH, IT'S A MIX. 
          A MIX. 
          THOSE ARE JUST LARGE LOT RURAL. 
          IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL COMMUNITY MIXED IN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL IN HERE. 
          YEP. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, BUT, UH, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF THAT WITHIN YOUR CAREER, THIS WILL TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP. 
          SO IF POSSIBLE, UH, MY CONSIDERATION IS APPROVING THE REMOVAL OR THE ADJUSTMENT OF, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO THE, JUST THAT IT WOULD BE GONE. 
          AND THEN RESTUDY UH, THE CONSIDERATIONS 
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THAT ARE HERE. 
          I KNOW OUR PUBLIC COMMENT INDICATED THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE FURTHER, UH, INCLUDED, BUT, UM, TO CHOOSE WHETHER THE RECOMMENDATION IS A AND B, WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME, AS YOU INDICATED, IT COULD BE 20, 30 YEARS TO WE WOULD SEE SOMETHING. 
          SO CAN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMOVAL, BIANCA REMOVAL ADJUSTMENT? SO I HAD A QUESTION, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD. 
          WE RECEIVED A DOODLE POLL IN SEPTEMBER. 
          WE WERE NOTIFIED THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER, UH, ASKING FOR OUR INPUT ON WHAT MEETING WE WANTED TO SELECT, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN DID YOU MAIL YOUR NOTICES AND HOW MANY NOTICES DID YOU MAIL TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS? UH, WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS REALIGNMENT? UH, WE MAILED ABOUT 18 MAILOUTS. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS MAILED OUT ON, I WANNA SAY, WAS THAT THURSDAY? TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS AGO? ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          UH, USUALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS, WE AS PART, AS OUR PART OF OUR PROCEDURES, WE SEND THEM OUT AT LEAST 12 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          AND WHEN DID YOU HOLD YOUR MEETING? UH, THIS, THIS PAST MONDAY. 
          PAST MONDAY. 
          THE MONDAY THIS WEEK? YES. 
          NOVEMBER 3RD. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO 30 DAYS OUT. 
          I THINK YOU NEED TO BE ENGAGING THESE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THEY'RE FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION LIVE. 
          JUST AS YOU KNOW, WE GET IN OUR PACKETS, HALF OF THE PRESENTATION MATERIAL WASN'T PUBLICLY NOTICED. 
          SO I WOULD ALSO ASK WHOEVER'S STAFFING PTAC, CAN YOU PLEASE GET THIS GENTLEMAN WHO IS HERE AS THE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD ALL THE EXHIBITS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TODAY? AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE EXHIBITS ARE PART OF OUR MINUTES. 
          BECAUSE IT IS VERY CUMBERSOME FOR SOMEONE TO DIGEST THIS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION WHEN THEY'RE A PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO THAT. 
          I GET THAT YOU WANT TO DO IT VERY QUICKLY AND YOU HAD A VERY CONCISE TIMEFRAME, BUT AS THIS GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT, THERE'S NOTHING'S BREAKING GROUND TOMORROW. 
          THERE'S NO URGENCY BEHIND THIS. 
          THERE IS TIME ON YOUR SIDE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU DO A BETTER JOB OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND ENGAGING THEM SOONER. 
          AND IS THAT ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE YOU TAKE THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU'VE GOT TIME TO DO THAT. 
          I WOULD ENSURE THAT THEY THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE CONCERNS. 
          'CAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TRAFFIC COUNTS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF 18 WHEELERS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THESE INTERSECTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF WHAT THE REALIGNMENT WILL BRING, BUT WE DON'T LIVE AND BREATHE THERE. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE SHOULD BE BROUGHT ALONG IN THE PROCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE EDUCATED THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO I WOULD ASK THAT ADDING A, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION TO MY AMENDMENT THAT YOU GO BACK AND DO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BEFORE PROCEEDING FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECEIVE ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN TODAY. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY PRESENTED ALL THIS INFORMATION AT YOUR PUBLIC MEETING. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE IS NO URGENCY. 
          THERE'S NO ONE THAT NEEDS THIS TOMORROW. 
          THERE'S NOT A, A NEED TOMORROW. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS EVEN WITH HOW THIS MEETING WAS SCHEDULED, THERE WASN'T AN URGENCY, UNLESS I'M WRONG. 
          PLEASE CLARIFY. 
          YES, YES. 
          JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UM, UH, NO, WE DIDN'T GO OVER PAGE BY PAGE THE REPORTS, UH, WITH THEM. 
          UH, BUT, UH, SHAUNA DID, UH, COVER IT, UH, AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAD ATTENDED. 
          UH, TWO OF THEM WERE IN, IN, WELL, TWO OF THEM WERE IN SUPPORT. 
          UH, THAT GENTLEMAN WAS, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT WANTING TO KEEP IT WHERE IT WAS. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT, UH, HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE COMPOST, UH, COMPOSTING SITE. 
          UH, SO THERE, THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY, ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH, UH, UNION PACIFIC. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR WITH TDOT AND UNION PACIFIC. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS, UH, MORE OR LESS THE URGENCY OF THAT, OF THAT ALIGNMENT. 
          THE PUB, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ARE BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY, UH, REACH OUT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE THE REMOVAL, UM, WE, I WOULD HIGHLY CAUTION THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE DIFFICULT TO GO BACK LATER AND ADD A THOROUGHFARE. 
          UH, WE JUST DID THAT WITH THE SOUTH TEXAS PARKWAY. 
          UM, WE, WHERE WE IN TWO AREAS, WE, UH, ADJUSTED THE, UH, WIDTH, BUT THEN WE HAD TO PLACE AN ALIGNMENT, UM, IN THE MIDDLE SECTION. 
          IT WAS A LITTLE MORE, UH, A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I ALWAYS CAUTIONED AGAINST REMOVAL AND THEN LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF IT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, HOPEFULLY I'M NOT DOING 
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THESE PLAN MAJOR, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENTS THEN, BUT, UM, I WOULD JUST, AGAIN, CAUTION AGAINST REMOVAL AND THEN PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO SOLVE. 
          UH, AND UH, NOW WITH THE ALIGNMENT ALONG NELSON ROAD, IT NOW GIVES, UH, SOME CERTAINTY TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO REDEVELOP OR PLAT. 
          RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WERE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO FRONT NELSON ROAD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE MTP ON IT, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PLAT PROCESS. 
          AND IT, IT IS A DETERMINATION AT THAT PROCESS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH RIGHT OF AWAY THEY'LL HAVE TO GIVE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A GUESSING GAME. 
          THIS AT LEAST GIVES THEM THE CERTAINTY AS EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PLA. 
          CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IT WAS MY MOTION. 
          I'M NOT IN A HURRY, SHAUNA, UNLESS YOU BUY ME LUNCH. 
          . 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING, I THOUGHT EARLIER YOU'RE SUGGESTING STRONGLY THAT IF WE MOVE IT, WE REALIGN IT, UH, NOT THAT WE REMOVE IT, THAT THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S PREFERENCE, NOT CORRECT. 
          REALIGN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, DO YOU, JUST A SECOND QUESTION. 
          UM, I AGREE. 
          THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, UH, IS THE WORST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO I THINK EVEN I, I, I CONCUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE NORTH AND SOUTH, ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BOTH ARE BAD. 
          AND YOU'RE SAYING THE NORTH IS NOT AS BAD AS THE SOUTH? WELL, YES OR NO? UH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D SAY THE NORTH IS NOT AS BAD AS THE SOUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN I'LL STAY WITH MY, MY MOTION. 
          MY ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          IT'S NOT TO RE IT'S NOT TO REMOVE IT THOUGH. 
          CORRECT? IT'S TO MOVE IT. 
          JUST, JUST REMOVE IT. 
          NOT REMOVE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW MOTION BECAUSE KEN IS A NON-VOTING MEMBER. 
          YES. 
          I WAS GETTING, I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT AS SOON AS YOU WERE DONE. 
          . 
          DO YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO MOTION? SO COULD I MOTION AS NOTICED? DO WE NEED TO HAVE KEN, WE REMOVE HIS MOTION? OR IS IT JUST NOLAN VOID? 'CAUSE HE'S, WELL, NOLAN WE'LL STRIKE THE MOTION FOR THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YES, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION. 
          SO, OH, YOU MOTION FOR THE OFFICERS? YEAH. 
          ARE YOU PRIMARY MOTION FOR THE OFFICERS? HE WAS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO VOTE? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE. 
          THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          SO I'LL MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          AS NOTICED, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE STIPULATION THAT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, WHETHER THAT'S IN A PUBLIC MEETING OR WHETHER THAT'S ELECTRONIC. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONTINUE, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND. 
          MAY I MAKE RACHEL COMMENT? OKAY. 
          NO, SIR. 
          THE, THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. 
          SECONDED THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU HAD THAT, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION, RIGHT? BIANCA? OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, IT'S CHRISTIAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? YES, SIR. 
          JUST A COMMENT IN TERMS OF OUR TIMEFRAME HERE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UM, IF THE MAP I'M LOOKING AT IS THE SAME AS THE ONE UP THERE, I WOULD DIRECT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE TITLE OF THE MAP IS MMTP AMENDMENT OR RIGHT HAND CORNER, THE TIMESTAMP IS MARCH, 2024. 
          NOW, CLEARLY THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS THAT GO ON AND THEN CONVERSATIONS, UH, BETWEEN P DAWSON AND UNION PACIFIC AND TDOT AND, AND THE CITY. 
          UH, BUT IF WE'RE SEEING POTENTIALLY A, A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON, UM, TO GET EVERYONE IN ALIGNMENT ON THE CONVERSATION, UH, IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BUDGETING ENOUGH TIME TO, UH, HAVE A, A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WELL FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON THE GROUND AND WHO, UH, UH, KNOW THE TERRAIN. 
          OKAY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO TO VOTE, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE TWO PEOPLE THAT RECUSE TO PLEASE LEAVE THE ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S GO TO VOTE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE STAFF. 
          MS. MALDONADO? YES. 
          MR. FULLERTON? AYE. 
          MR. SANCHEZ? 
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YES. 
          MR. SIPES? YES. 
          MS. BRAGMAN? YES. 
          MR. ELDER? YES. 
          MS. FLAGGINGS? YES. 
          MR. LINK? YES. 
          MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          MR. HANLEY? YES. 
          MR. DOMINGUEZ? NO. 
          MR. PIERCE? YES. 
          MR. MANNA? YES. 
          YES. 
          MS. MO? YES. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST SHE? YES. 
          MS. HOWELL. 
          MR. HOWELL? AGAINST WHAT? MR. HOWELL? MR. HOWELL AGAINST CHAIR PECK? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME TODAY ON THAT ITEM. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I KNOW WE GOT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO DO. 
          I WASN'T CLOSING THE MEETING. 
          CALM DOWN. 
          I KNOW IT'S ALMOST LUNCHTIME. 
          ARE WE SEE? KEN THINKS HE STAYS LONGER. 
          SEAN WILL BY, I KNOW. 
          I'M TRYING TO DRAG IT OUT FOR KEN NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BEFORE WE UH, GO TO THE MINUTES, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO, UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ELECTION. 
          MAY I, UH, MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT, UH, OUR INTERIM CHAIR, UH, BE OUR CANDIDATE FOR CHAIR? ONCE AGAIN, MR. PICK AND MR. HANLEY AS THE VICE CHAIR? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          OLD BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 14TH. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, EDITS? NOT WILL I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          STAFF. 
          IS THERE ANY UPDATES, COMMENTS? NO. 
          NOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS TIME I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE MEETING. 
          IT IS, UH, 10 54 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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