[00:00:06] >> KAUR: ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, THE TIME IS NOW 2:11 P.M. AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL. >> CLERK: >> KAUR: THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA [Approval of Minutes  ] TODAY SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH IT ALL. THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL FOR MINUTES. DO WE HAVE ANY EDITS FOR THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I'LL TALK A MOTION. >> ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. [Briefing and Possible Action on  ] MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAR OUT THE LAST ITEM BECAUSE IT'S THE CARB APPROVALS FROM LAST TIME, SO MARIA, I'LL PASS IT TO YOU. >> VILLAGOMEZ: THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN AND GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. AT THE LAST PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WE WENT OVER IN DETAIL THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATOR REVIEW BOARD CARB PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WITH THIS COMMITTEE. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR OUR FIRST CITY ATTORNEY, LEZ PREVENSIO AND I TO DO SOME FOLLOW-UP AND WE DID THAT AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SO WE ARE READY TO ASK YOU TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENTS. CHAIR, ONE SECOND. I JUST CAUGHT SOMETHING. WITH THE MINUTES, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO RECONSIDER THEM. >> KAUR: OKAY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR THE CARB ITEM LAST TIME, IT HAS KAUR, CASTILLO AND SPEARS VERSING NAY AND ME VOTING YES. AND THAT WAS NOT CORRECT. >> KAUR: THANK YOU FOR THE CATCH. I HAVE THAT NOTED. OKAY. SO CAN WE REDO THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SECOND. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT, COUNCILMEMBER. OKAY. SO IF WHICH DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A MOTION FOR CAS CARB AND IT WILL COME TO A SESSION. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR, I WANTED TO THANK MARIA AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL NOW BE KEPT IN THE LOOP FOR THOSE THAT APPLY AND THE PROCESS, AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING THE BRIEFING FROM MARIA, SO I MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6. >> SECOND. >> KAUR: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OKAY. SO LARGELY SO THERE ARE THREE OF US HERE, WE NEED THREE TO GO TO COUNCIL -- JUST TWO? OKAY. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS GOING TO VOTE YES FOR -- YES SO THAT IT CAN GO TO COUNCIL. I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME -- THERE SHOULD BE SOME CHANGES TO THE PROCESS ITSELF. I WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT I RECEIVED DURING OUR MEETING. I KNOW WE WENT BACK AND FORTH, AND WE AGREED TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT LARGELY, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES I HAVE IS WHEN WE'RE MAKING APPOINTMENTS LIKE THIS, TYPICALLY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FACE TIME WITH APPOINTEES AND WITH -- YOU KNOW, CAN WE -- SIT IN A MEETING EVEN IF WE'RE NOT PARTICIPANTS. I'VE YET TO BE SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, AND IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT -- IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF IT. IT'S BEEN ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, AND SO I CHALLENGE THAT, AND I WILL VOTE YES TODAY BUT I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT POINT AND THE CHALLENGES THAT I WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS HAS TO COME TO COMMITTEE AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> KAUR: THANK YOU. I NEED TO USE MY MIC. IT WASN'T ON. I APPRECIATED THE BRIEFING THAT WAS ON AND THE DATA SHOWN. IT WAS SURPRISING TO ME THAT THE DIFFERENCES IS WHAT THAT -- THE UNIFORMED EMPLOYEES WERE OFTEN TOUGHER ON THEIR PEERS THAN OUR CIVILIAN MEMBERS WERE, AND THEN CHIEF IS EVEN TOUGHER. AND SO I -- IT ALSO WAS HEARTBREAKING TO SEE, AND I KNOW THIS GOING TO FEED INTO ITEM NUMBER 2, BUT THE NUMBER OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCIDENCE THAT WE SAW, IT MADE ME REFLECT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT REFLECTS ALL PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING, AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, I COULDN'T EVEN GO THROUGH ANY MORE OF THE CASES BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT IS REALLY TOUGH. SO I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WORK WOULD BE TOUGH REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU'RE IN A UNIFORM OR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE TO DO. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNINGP [00:05:03] TO BE ON THIS BOARD. WITH THAT, ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE BRIEFINGS, WHICH IS ITEM 2. WE'LL START OFF WITH MELODY, WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT ON THE ELDER ABUSE ONE. -- OH, DOMESTIC INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE -- WHICHEVER ONE IS -- >> WOOSLEY: OH. THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JESSICA DOVALINA, DEPUTY HUMAN SERVICES DIRECTOR, I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE ELDER ABUSE SUBCOMMITTEE. THE ELDER ABUSE SUBCOMMITTEE IS COMPRISED OF COUNCILMEMBERS MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ AND SPEARS. THIS SUBCOMMITTEE DID MEET IN SEPTEMBER WITH DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MARIA VILLAGOMEZ, HUMAN SERVICES AND SAPD. WE DISCUSSED THE FOCUS AREA OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL AS NEXT STEPS. AT THAT MEETING THE SUBCOMMITTEE DID BREAK OUT THEIR -- THEIR GOALS IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM ACTIVITIES AND LONG-TERM ACTIVITIES, AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON. IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING CONTINUING TO ENHANCE OUR EDUCATION EFFORTS AS WELL AS PROMOTE CITY SERVICES, AND THEN LONG TERM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND ASSESSING THE STATUS OF OLDER ADULTS IN SAN ANTONIO AND COMMISSIONING A STUDY TO DO THAT. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE LEAD DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE WORK. FOR SHORT TERM, JUST IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, OUR NEXT STEPS INCLUDE EXPANSION OF OUR CITYWIDE TRAINING THAT WE LAUNCHED LAST YEAR, THE DON'T LOOK AWAY, THE DHS PROVIDED IN COLLABORATION WITH ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES. THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE TO 10 CITY DEPARTMENTS AS A PILOT AND WE LAUNCHED IT CITYWIDE THIS YEAR. TO DATE, 6800 CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE COMPLETED THAT TRAINING. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE CONTINUING EDUCATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AT THE SENIOR CENTERS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES AND SAPD AT COMMUNITY LOCATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BROADENING THE MESSAGE ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN TERMS OF ELDER ABUSE, NEGLECT, EXPLOITATION AND FRAUD AND THE REPORTING PROCESS FOR THAT. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO CONTINUER OUR COLLABORATION WITH ELDER ABUSE AND EXPLOITATION TASK FORCE WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE TODAY AS WELL AS THE SOUTH TEXAS ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES BOARD. AND LASTLY, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON EXPANDING PROMOTION OF EXISTING CITY PROGRAMS AND SERVICES, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT THROUGH NONTRADITIONAL MEANS. SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'RE REACHING A WIDER AUDIENCE, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT USING CPS AND SAWS MAILER INSERTS, AND OTHER WAYS. IN TERMS OF LONG TERM NEXT STEPS AS I MENTIONED, THEY DID RECOMMEND COMMISSIONING A STATUS OF OLDER ADULTS IN SAN ANTONIO REPORT AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS, HUMAN SERVICES IS CHECKING IN WITH OTHER LOCAL FUNDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DUPLICATING ANY EFFORTS THAT MIGHT BE UNDERWAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WE ARE BEING COLLABORATIVE IN TERMS OF WHO WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH ON THAT. IN CONDUCTING THE STUDY, WE WOULD BE ENGAGING WITH A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT FOR US. THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH LOCAL OLDER ADULT STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING THE SUCCESSFULLY AGING AND LIVING IN SAN ANTONIO COLLABORATIVE, THE BEXAR SENIOR ADVISORY AND THE ALAMO SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEES AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL JOINT COMMISSION ON PUBLIC AFFAIRS. AND THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> KAUR: I APPRECIATE THAT EXPEDITION REPORT. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP JUDGE VASQUEZ SO SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM APS IF THERE ARE TO TALK ABOUT THE A WORK THEY'VE DONE IN THIS AREA AND COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU AS PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. >> SORRY. I'M TINY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. I'M SO EXCITED YOU GUYS ARE -- WE JUST CAME FROM OUR ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN AUSTIN WHERE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS ONE OF THE AWARD RECIPIENTS FOR YOUR DON'T LOOK AWAY PROGRAM. AND IT BEING SO -- AN AMAZING PROGRAM, AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO REPLICATE IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE. APS. SO I HAVE WITH ME TODAY, SO JUDGE VERONICA VASQUEZ. >> BRAWBLES. >> AND I'M LISA. >> DR. ANDREA GUERRERO, BEXAR COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH. >> AND I'M LISA SAN TAN NO WITH ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES. >> VERY QUICKLY, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHEN WE CREATED AN ELDER ABUSE OF EXPLOITATION AND TASK FORCE HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT, HAS BEEN A PARTNER TH THIS AS WELL [00:10:01] AS SAPD AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW AMAZING SAPD HAS BEEN TO WORK WITH, INCLUDING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ONE OF THE GREAT THING, AND I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ALL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THIS COMMITTEE AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS PART OF THE TASK FORCE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON CREATING A SENIOR JUSTICE ASSESSMENT CENTER HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY AS THEY HAVE IN HARRIS COUNTY. SO IN HARRIS COUNTY, THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SENIOR JUSTICE ASSESSMENT CENTER AND THAT WAS BROUGHT ABOUT DUE TO THE ATROCIOUS NUMBERS THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'RE ONLY LIKE -- I THINK THEY HAVE 6,000 MORE CASES THAN WE DO IN EXPLOITATION. WE'RE NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE NUMBER ONE AS FAR AS OLDER ABUSE EXPLOITATION IN THE STATE. THEY CREATED SEVEN YEARS AGO THIS ASSESSMENT CENTER AND IT LOOKS AT THE VICTIM HOLISTICALLY. THEY HAVE CORE TEAM MEMBERS WHERE THEY MEET TO TALK ABOUT ELDER ABUSE AND EXPLOITATION ON A WEEKLY BASIS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES. SO I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HARRIS COUNTY, THE TYPE OF CASES THEY HAD. THEY HAD ONE GENTLEMAN THAT CALLED INTO THE HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE WAS BEING ABUSED BY HIS SON. HIS SON HAS BEAT HIM UP. HE HAD MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, SO HE CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME AND DETAINED HIM OR WHATEVER THEY DID, AND HE WOUND UP GOING TO THE HOSPITAL. ONCE HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL, HE HAD STITCHES, WHATEVER MAY BE, THIS CASE FROM PD WAS FORWARDED TO THE HARRIS COUNTY SENIOR JUSTICE ASSESSMENT CENTER. ONCE THEY RECEIVED THE CASE, THEY CONTACTED THE GENTLEMAN, SAID DO YOU WANT US TO HELP YOU WITH A PROTECTIVE ORDER? HE DECLINED THE PROTECTIVE ORDER BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS SON. BUT WHAT THE SOCIAL WORKERS DID AT THE SENIOR JUSTICE ASSESSMENT CENTER, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU HAD INJURIES AND YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THIS OUT-OF-POCKET. WHY DON'T WE HELP YOU WITH THE VICTIM COMPENSATION FUND AND SO THEIR SOCIAL WORKERS WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO THIS GENTLEMAN, SO NOT ONLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT REVIEWING THESE ON A WEEKLY BASIS IN A MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY PARTNERS LIKE MEALS ON WHEELS, DIAPER BANK, THEY HAVE THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THOSE WOULD ALL BE COMMUNITY PARTNERS SO IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT HOW DO WE HELP THIS NOT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, BUT HOW DO WE TREAT THEM HOLISTICALLY IF THEY DON'T WANT THAT CRIMINAL SERVICE, RIGHT? SO THIS WAS A GREAT PROGRAM. WE GOT TO SEE ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES CONFERENCE, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT, BEXAR COUNTY DID, APPLIED FOR A GRANT. BEXAR COUNTY RECEIVED THE GRANT. WE FOUND OUT ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO THAT WE WERE AWARDED 186,000 -- OVER $186,000 TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM. AND THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE CITY IS BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM, SO, CHIEF, LOOK OUT FOR THAT MOU THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO YOU PRETTY SOON TO BE A PART OF THAT. SO IT WILL BE ON A WEEKLY BASIS TO DISCUSS THESE CASES SO THEY, ONE, DON'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACK AND, TWO, THEY'RE TREATED HOLISTICALLY. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THEIR SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM. SO WE'RE EXCITED. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >> THE GRANT WILL PAY FOR CASE MANAGERS, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SENIOR JUSTICE ASSESSMENT CENTER AND SJAC, IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL BUILDING, IT'S MORE OF AN ENTITY, AND THE PARTICIPATING PARTNERS ARE THOSE -- IMAGINE APS, SAPD, BCSO, ANY -- DA, ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS WITH JE GERIATRIC RKAS, ANY FRONT DOOR WHERE WE MIGHT BECOME AWARE OF SOMEONE WHO IS ELDER AND WHO COULD BE ABUSED, SO FROM PROBATE TO -- YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES. OUR STAR PROGRAM WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT. THAT'S ANOTHER, I THINK, DATA POINT AND JUSTIFICATION, BECAUSE UNIQUE FEATURE OF THE STAR PROGRAM, OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE NAVIGATION PROGRAM AT THE COUNTY IS WE SEE PARENT, CHILD AND SIB RELATIONSHIPS. IF THE SIBLINGS ARE OF AN AGE WHERE THEY WOULD MEET REQUIREMENTS OF THIS, WE'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF ABUSE BEING REFERRED TO US BY BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THE INITIAL GRANT WILL PAY FOR OUR CASE MANAGERS TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SERVICES AND TO RECEIVE THE REFERRALS. WE HAVE WORKED QUITE A BIT WITH HARRIS COUNTY AND GONE TO VISIT THEIR PROGRAM SEVERAL TIMES SO WE'VE GOT JOB DESCRIPTIONS, SOPS, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF THINGS READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATED WITH THE STATE AND GET ALL THE MOUS SIGNED. A LOT OF TRAINING FOR COURT STAFF, DAS, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO BETTER RECOGNIZE THE SIGNS OF THESE AND MAKE THE SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO REFER INTO. >> I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY, BUT ON BEHALF OF ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, WE THANK THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN SUPPORTING US WITH OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS. THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WITH US FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, RAISING AWARENESS AND ALSO HELPING US TO PUT ON [00:15:02] SPECIALIZED PROGRAMS TO NOT ONLY REACH OUT TO OLDER ADULTS BUT SPECIFIC PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE HANDLING ELDER ABUSE CASES. SO WE THANK EVERYBODY, AND A SPECIAL THANK YOU ALL TO THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. >> KAUR: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND JOINING US TODAY. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ SINCE HE'S ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. >> RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. THANK YOU. WE HAD A NUMBER OF GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH MARIA AND THE REST OF THE TEAM. IT WAS VERY EXPANSIVE, I THINK, WHENEVER YOU GET TO TALK ABOUT SENIORS, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT THEY EXPERIENCE, SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ABUSE, FINANCIER SHALL ABUSE, -- FINANCIAL ABUSE, EXPLOITATION, SEXUAL AND OTHER PHYSICAL ABUSE, CAREGIVER NEGLECT AS WELL AS THE IMPACTS OF ISOLATION AND THEN ACCESS TO HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, FOOD AND MEDICAL NEEDS, AND SO I THINK ULTIMATELY WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, AND YOU HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION, RIGHT, THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESOURCES THAT WE DO HAVE, AND HOW DO WE INCREASE ACCESS TO THOSE AND HOW DO WE INCREASE AWARENESS TO THOSE. AND SO ONE OF THOSE SHORT-TERM, I THINK, SOLUTIONS WAS -- AND I THINK YOU NAMED IT IN THE SLIDE, LOOKING AT THE, LIKE, DIFFERENT CPS -- THE UTILITY BILL INSERTS, THE SOLID WASTE AND BRUSH COLLECTOR FLYERS, INCLUDING INFORMATION FOR THOSE THERE, BECAUSE A NUMBER OF THOSE -- I THINK MOST OFTEN THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IMPACTS OUR SENIORS, OUR SENIORS IN COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T -- THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS A SHORT-TERM THING. THEN LONG-TERM, WE WANTED TO, I GUESS, BE COMPREHENSIVE IN LOOKING AT WHAT EXISTS TODAY AND WHAT SHOULD EXIST, WHAT GAPS ARE THERE. AND SO I THINK THE REPORT WILL END UP BEING A STATUS OF OLDER ADULTS IN SAN ANTONIO REPORT, AND IT WILL LIKELY INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE HOUSING AND WHATNOT. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WITH THE CHECC COMMITTEE AND WITH WHATEVER OTHER PERTINENT COMMITTEES THERE ARE. ALL THAT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE LOVELY DISCUSSION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SER EF ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU. I'M HOPEFUL AS THINGS MOVE ALONG WITH THE SENIOR TASK FORCE, WE'LL BE KEPT IN THE LOOP OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN HARRIS COUNTY AND GREAT TO SEE YOU'RE TAKING THE LEAD TO REPLICATE HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY AS WELL. IN TERMS OF THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS OFTENTIMES WE HAVE STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY WHICH ALREADY HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE GAPS ARE, AND I'M EAGER TO MOVE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHETHER IT'S THE SA FORWARD PLAN OR OTHER WORK THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES HAS DONE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVES, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT D5 RESIDENTS EXPECT US TO MOVE WITH URGENCY IN, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE INITIAL BRIEFING THAT CHIEF GAVE US WHERE IT HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE FRAUD ABUSE WITH SENIORS IS WITH SOMEONE THAT THEY KNOW, THAT THEY'RE RELATED TO. AND WHAT IT MAKES ME THINK OF IS A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH D5 RESIDENTS, RIGHT, IT MAKES ME THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERREPORTING AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO REPORT THEIR SON, NEPHEW, WHOEVER MAY BE DOING THE FINANCIAL ABUSE. SO MY EXPECTATION, RIGHT, IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE WITH URGENCY, MORE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A ROBUST DATA IN TERMS OF THE STATS AND WHO'S BEING IMPACTED. SO JUST EAGER TO MOVE ON SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. I AGREE WITH THAT. ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT CAME UP OUT OF THE CONVERSATION AND SENATOR JOSE MENENDEZ WAS PART OF THE TASK FORCE, HE WAS PRESENT AT HIS LAST MEETINGS AND SENT HIS REGARDS, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT CAME UP WITH SAPD, COULD THERE BE SOME ALIGNMENT AROUND THE FOLKS THAT DEAL WITH THESE CASES AND THE FINANCIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, I THINK IT'S THE FINANCIAL CRIMES UNIT IS THE ONE THAT ADDRESSES MOST OF THESE. AND SOMETIMES IF THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE OVERSEEING THESE TYPES OF CASES, IT'S HARDER TO SEE TRENDS. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I'D LOVE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO EXPLORE IS WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE JUST DEDICATED TO ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IN FINANCIAL CRIMES VERSUS HAVING IT KIND OF SPLIT UP. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, LIKE SIMILAR, OUR SA-CORE HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT ASSET FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE NOW HAVE 24/7 THANKS TO ADVOCACY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET THOSE CALLS, IT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY, IS THERE A SPACE WHERE SA-CORE STEPS IN AND TAKES SOME OF THESE OLDER [00:20:04] ADULT CALLS IF THEY'RE NOT CLASSIFIED AS, LIKE, EMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE SA-CORE SERVICES? AND THE REASON WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRAINED -- THEY HAVE TRAINED FOLKS TO ADDRESS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, AND SOMETIMES IF -- THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS LIKE IF THEY HAVE DEMENTIA, IT'S VERY HARD FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW THE SA-CORE TEAM MIGHT BE AN ASSET IN PROVIDING SERVICES. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I'D LIKE AS YOU GUYS CONTINUE YOUR CONVERSATIONS TO SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION, AND MAYBE THAT'S A PART OF THE LONG-TERM PLAN THAT YOU ALL CAN EXECUTE. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE DATA TO COUNCILMEMBER'S POINT, IT'S SO INTERESTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS AND WHERE THE HIGHEST PARTS OF THE -- IN THE -- I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED, B AND CREDIT CARD AND DEBIT CARD THEFT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST. AND I GUESS JUST LIKE FRAUD WITH REGARDS TO THAT, WHICH I KNOW IS A LOT HARDER TO ADDRESS. BUT JUST VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF CONCERN THAT ALREADY IS REPORTED AND TO COUNCILMEMBER'S POINT, WHAT'S NOT BEING REPORTED. THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR THIS WORK AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT COMES OF IT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE SUBCOMMITTEE. >> WOOSLEY: SO GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I'M MELODY WOOSLEY, HUMAN SERVICES DIRECTOR. AND SO THE CHARGE OF THE INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE SUBCOMMITTEE IS TO IDENTIFY POLICY SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THE PERSISTENTLY HIGH RATES OF INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IS LED BY COUNCILMEMBERS KAUR AND CASTILLO, AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE MET IN SEPTEMBER WITH CITY STAFF FROM METRO HEALTH AND ALSO FROM HUMAN SERVICES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS WHAT ARE THE FOCUS AREAS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO REALLY HOME IN ON. AND SO THE FIRST WAS A YOUTH EDUCATION PILOT PROGRAM, AND THE SECOND IS, YOU KNOW, INCREASING COLLABORATION WITH THE COLLECTIVE -- OR THE COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE'S WORK, ALSO KNOWN AS CCDV. SO HUMAN SERVICES IS PROPOSING IMPLEMENTATION OF A PILOT IN CITY-FUNDED AFTER-SCHOOL CHALLENGE SITES TO SUPPORT YOUTH BY IMPLEMENTING PROJECT WORK SEVEN MINEDSETS BASE CURRICULUM INTO THE AFTER SCHOOL CHALLENGE PROGRAM. FOR THIS INITIAL PILOT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO WORK WITH SAN ANTONIO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE THEIR BUY-IN AND THEIR APPROVAL. THIS INTEGRATION WOULD SUPPORT YOUTH MENTAL WELLNESS, RESILIENCE AND POSITIVE DECISION-MAKING. THE IMPLEMENTATION WOULD PRIORITIZE FIRST MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT WITH A FOCUS ON ZIP CODES WITH HIGH RATES OF YOUTH CRIME, ENSURING THAT WE REACH STUDENTS WHO MAY BENEFIT MOST FROM THOSE EARLY INTERVENTIONS. AND WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE PRE AND POSTPROGRAM SURVEYS WITH PARTICIPANTS TO HELP MEASURE THE IMPACT OF THE PROGRAM. AND SO WE HAVE SPOKEN -- STARTED PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH SAISD LEADERSHIP, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROPOSED PILOT, AND THEY HAVE HELPED US IDENTIFY SEVERAL REQUIRED STEPS FOR APPROVAL THROUGH THEIR SYSTEMS TO IMPLEMENT THE CONCEPT. FIRST, SUBMISSION OF PROPOSED SURVEYS, CURRICULUM AND TRAINING MATERIALS TO THE DISTRICT'S RESEARCH REVIEW COMMITTEE. THAT COULD HAPPEN AS EARLY AS DECEMBER 2025 FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. NEXT WE WOULD PRESENT THE SEVEN MINDSETS CURRICULUM TO THEIR SCHOOL HEALTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN JANUARY FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN WORK WITH THE DISTRICT'S OFFICE OF COLLEGE, CAREER AND MILITARY READINESS TO IDENTIFY STUDENTS WHO HAVE PARENTAL APPROVAL TO PARTICIPATE IN SUCH PROGRAMS, AND THIS IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. WE WOULD BEGIN TRAINING DHS, SAISD AND AFTER-SCHOOL CHALLENGE STAFF ON THE CURRICULUM AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, AND INTO MARCH. IF ALL OF THOSE APPROVALS ARE IN PLACE, THEN OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO BEGIN THE PILOT IN THE SPRING. AND SO AS FAR AS THE COORDINATION WITH THE COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO INVITE THE CCDV TO PRESENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND TO SHARE INFORMATION ON THE [00:25:05] INITIATIVES AND DATA AND REPORTING. AND SECOND, TO WORK WITH CCDV TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS OF COLLABORATION THAT YOU ALL WANT TO ENGAGE WITH. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> KAUR: THANK YOU SO MUCH, MELODY. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, MELODY AND MARIA FOR LEADING THE CONVERSATION IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I THINK THE PILOT COMPLEMENTS THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITH THE BEXAR SCHOOL SAFETY, WITH THAT SUMMIT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE STUDY T AROUND MORE PEER TO PEER SUPPORT. IT'S TACKLING ONE OF THE COLLABORATIONS THAT'S COMING WITH THE COUNTY BUT ALSO WHAT THE YOUTH ARE SAYING WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM AND I THINK THE COUNCILMAN ASKED REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHICH GRADE LEVEL WE SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THIS PILOT. THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THIS CONVERSATION. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK OF THE TEAM. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR SUGGESTING THIS IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GREAT CAPTIVE AUDIENCE THAT WE CAN TEST TO SEE HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE THIS INFORMATION, THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO -- AS WE DO THIS PILOT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT FOR THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, IF WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE SCHOOL PROCESSES QUICKLY ENOUGH. IF WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT, I'D LOVE TO CAPTURE SOME DATA AROUND LIKE THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED THE AGE AND DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE STUDENTS. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SENDING ME -- BOTH OF US, THE INFORMATION REGARDING SURVEY, PRE AND POST, AND THE MODULES AS WELL, IF OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WANT, MAYBE WE CAN SHARE IT WITH THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ AND COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS CAN SEE THEM AS WELL. I THINK THE SURVEY INITIALLY IS GREAT. I'M GLAD THAT IT HAS A PRE AND POSTSURVEY, BUT I THINK I ONLY SAW THE BASE SURVEY, I WASN'T SURE, IS THAT THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED AGAIN AT THE END OF THE PILOT? >> WOOSLEY: I WILL FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AND ALSO SEND IT TO COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS AND THEN -- WELL, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ AND COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS AND THEN LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS. >> KAUR: OKAY. GREAT. AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO -- IF WE JUST GET SOMEONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, MAYBE EITHER FROM EVEN THE YOUTH COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE, IF WE COULD RUN THE SURVEY BY THEM, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US WHETHER THIS WOULD ACCURATELY CAPTURE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CARE ABOUT IN TERMS OF GROWTH IN THESE MINDSETS. >> WOOSLEY: THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE'LL DO THAT. >> KAUR: AWESOME. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, SOME OF THESE SKILLS COULD BE VERY USEFUL FOR ALL OF US ADULTS, HELP WITH COMMUNICATION, STRESS MANAGEMENT. >> WOOSLEY: UH-HUH. >> KAUR: ANY WHOO, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SENDING THAT OVER, BUT LOOKING FORWARD HOW WE CAN COLLECT THAT DATA AND THEN DETERMINE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GROW IN OUR CENTERS AND OTHER AREAS. >> WOOSLEY: THANK YOU. >> KAUR: DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THIS WORK AND RECOMMENDATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PILOT PROGRAM AS WELL. JUST AS MAYBE POTENTIAL BRIEFING, I'M NOT SURE THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED A BRIEFING ON THE WORK OF STANDUP SA, AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I THINK THAT IT GOES HAND-IN-HAND WITH THIS CONVERSATION, SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A BRIEFING. AND WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO GATHER OUT OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE NEEDS THAT -- THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE YES, BUT ARE THERE NEEDS THAT ARE NOT BEING MET THAT THE EXPANSION OF THAT PROGRAM WOULD COULD SUPPORT AND COULD HELP ADDRESS. AND THE ANSWER WILL BE YES, AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT, IF WE COULD GET THAT. THANK YOU. >> KAUR: THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. AND MAYBE AS A PART OF OUR DELEGATION TO CONVERSATION, IF THERE'S AREAS WE CAN SUPPORT OR PLUG IN. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, RESPONSE CCR. >> VILLAGOMEZ: THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND I'LL JUST ENTER REAL QUICK, SO THIS IS OUR FIRST BRIEFING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL REQUEST TO ENHANCE RESPONSE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS, SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY FROM KATE KINNISON, SHE IS OUR DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION, IS JUST GIVING YOU SOME FACTUAL DATA ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, SOME STATISTICS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MAY HAVE WITHIN THE POLICE [00:30:01] DEPARTMENT AND NEXT STEPS. AND THEN WE -- YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULE A FOLLOW-UP BRIEFING WITH THIS COMMITTEE IN JANUARY. >> KINNISON: THANK YOU, MARIA. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRWOMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO FIRST, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE GROUNDED IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE CCR, THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO COMPARATIVE CITIES. WE'RE GOING TO COVER TWO CITIES WITH DISTINCTER APPROACHES, ALTHOUGH WE RESEARCHED MANY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DATA, THE CALL DATA IN THE FOUR AREAS THAT YOUR CCR DISCUSSED, AND THEN WE'LL END WITH SOME NEXT STEPS FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THIS IS VERBATIM FROM THE CCR, AND IN INTEREST OF TIME I WILL NOT READ THIS WORD FOR WORD, BUT CHAIRWOMAN KAUR FILED THE CCR, FOUR MEMBERS SIGNED ON, COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ WAS ONE OF THEM AND THREE PAST COUNCILMEMBERS AND THERE'S TWO MAIN THINGS THIS CCR IS ASKING US TO EVALUATION, THE FIRST IS THE CREATION OF A CRASH INVESTIGATOR TECHNICIAN ROLE THAT COULD BE FILLED BY EITHER A RETIRED SAPD OFFICER OR A CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE, AND THEN THOSE FOUR AREAS, AGAIN, BEING THE LOW PRIORITY CALLS THAT ARE LISTED THERE. AND THE THEN NUMBER TWO IS EXPLORE THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY TO REDUCE -- INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND REDUCE THE LOAD ON THE SWORN OFFICER FORCE. SO THE FIRST TO HIGHLIGHT IS DENVER, THEY ARE UTILIZING WHAT THEY'RE CALLING CIVILIAN REPORT TECHNICIANS. THAT WAS CREATED IN 2014. THEY'RE PRIMARILY WORKING ONIONON NONINJURY CRASHES, ISSUING CITATIONS, TAKING MEASUREMENTS AND DOING A LOT OF REPORTING. THERE'S 15 OF THOSE, AND THE KEY RESULT THEY'RE HANDLING 15,318 HOURS OF NONEMERGENCY CALLS IN FY '25. THE NEXT EXAMPLE ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT STARTED IN 2017 IN NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA, THE BIG DIFFERENCE THERE IS THEY ARE CONTRACTING THOSE POSITIONS. WHAT THEY'RE DOING REPORTING LOW-RISK, NONINJURY CAR ACCIDENTS, THAT'S CONTRACTED AGENTS, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN OF THEM. THE KEY RESULTS HERE IS THE PILOT WENT WELL, THEY EXPANDED FROM TWO TO SEVEN AGENTS MOST RECENTLY AS 2023, AND THOSE AGENTS HAVE HANDLED 25,000 HOURS OF NONEMERGENCY CALLS. OF COURSE, WE WANTED TO KNOW, WELL, WHAT ARE OUR OTHER MAJOR TEXAS CITIES DOING BOTH ON THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE AND THE TRAFFIC SIDE. LET ME BACK UP REAL QUICK AND, OF COURSE, TEXAS LAW AND LAWS IN THESE OTHER STATES AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKES A WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. AND THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE SAYS VERBATIM, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MUST REPORT COLLISIONS INVOLVING INJURY, DEATH OR DAMAGE EXCEEDING 1,000 TO TXDOT WITHIN 10 DAYS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FACTOR IN. WITH THAT SAID, HOUSTON AND DALLAS, YOU'LL SEE IN THE SECOND COLUMN, THE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO ALL TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, AUSTIN AND FORT WORTH ARE SIMILAR TO SAN ANTONIO. THEY'RE FULL SERVICE. WE'RE RESPONDING TO EVERY TRAFFIC ACCIDENT; WHEREAS HOUSTON AND DALLAS HAVE FOUND WAYS TO NOT RESPOND TO EVERY SINGLE ONE. DALLAS BEING, I WOULD SAY, THE FURTHEST ON THAT SPECTRUM. THEY ARE ASKING FOLKS IN THOSE INJURIES TO REPORT ONLINE, SO HOUSTON REAL QUICK, THESE ARE ONLINE -- THEIR POLICIES ONLINE WHICH ARE CALLED GENERAL ORDERS. HOUSTON SAYS DISPATCHER SHALL INSTRUCT CITIZENS TO MOVE THEIR VEHICLES TO A SAFE LOCATION OFF THE FREEWAY OR RO ROADWAY TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION OR MAKE A REPORT AT A POLICE STATION WITHIN 24 HOURS. DALLAS' ONLINE POLICY SAYS WHEN THE VEHICLES CAN BE DRIVEN AND THERE IS NOT INJURY, DAMAGE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY, CRIMINAL ACTION, THE DISPATCHER WILL CLEAR THE CALL WITH A NONINCIDENT POLICE DESIGNATION WHICH IS JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH A SWORN POLICE OFFICER. IN TERMS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE DO HAVE AN ONLINE OPTION FOR REPORTING, AND MOST -- ACTUALLY DASH I'M SORRY, ALL OF THE CITIES DO. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEM, THEIR CATEGORIES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO OURS, SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S ARE. THERE'S 10 REPORT TYPES. THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES FOR STOLEN OR LOST PROPERTY BUT THERE'S ALSO THINGS LIKE CHILD CUSTODY, VIOLATIONS, BURGLARY, VANDALISM, SHOPLIFTING, THEFT OF SERVICE. IN CALENDAR YEAR 2024, WE SAW 8,274 REPORTS ONLINE. AND, AGAIN, THE BIGGEST -- I WOULD SAY THAT AUSTIN, FORT WORTH AND HOUSTON ARE MOST SIMILAR TO US IN THEIR CATEGORIES, BUT DALLAS, BEGINNING IN JULY 2023, WENT FROM ALLOWING ONLINE REPORTING TO MANDATING IT TO MANDATING RESPECTS TO [00:35:04] REPORT LOW-LEVEL CRIMES INCLUDE TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, SHOPLIFTING AND HARASSMENT. AND SINCE EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE COMPUTER KIOSKS, THEY INSTALLED KIOSKS AT THEIR SUBSTATIONS. IN TERMS OF AFTER HOURS NOISE ENFORCEMENT, SAN ANTONIO, AUSTIN, FORT WORTH AND HOUSTON ARE ALL VERY SIMILAR TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN THAT UNIFORMED PERSONNEL ARE RESPONDING TO THOSE. THE CITY OF DALLAS, HOWEVER, HAS CASES WHERE UNIFORMED PERSONNEL RESPONDS, THEY ALSO HAVE A NIGHT ENTERTAINMENT TEAM, WHICH IS MADE UP OF FIVE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS, AND THEY DO WORK AFTER HOURS TO ADDRESS NUISANCE NOISE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND LAND USE VIOLATIONS AND ILLEGAL VENDING. HERE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE DATA THAT WE GOT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE TOOK SOME AVERAGES FROM FY '23 TO FY '25 TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE VOLUME AND WORKLOAD. SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ARE THE BULK OF THE CALLS, 5%. AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY SAPD RECEIVES BY CATEGORY AND THEN THE AVERAGE TIME A SWORN OFFICER SPENDS FROM DISPATCH TO CLOSURE, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS OF FTE REQUIRED, THAT'S A HIGH-LEVEL CALLED -- I'M SORRY, HIGH-LEVEL CALCULATION BASED ON OFFICER OF FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE. AND THEN THE PERSONNEL CALL THERE. WE DO NOT HAVE PARKING ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE PARKING IS A LOOT MORE COMPLICATED. THERE'S MANY DEPARTMENTS WHO ISSUE -- AND THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IS RELATED TO PARKING CITATIONS, BUT THOSE ARE 6,631 SAPD CITATIONS. SO FINALLY, THE NEXT STEPS, EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR SAPD TO ADDRESS MINOR TRAFFIC INCIDENTS -- ACCIDENTS SIMILAR TO HOUSTON AND DALLAS, EXPLORE THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND/OR ONLINE REPORTING FOR ADDITIONAL LOW PRIORITY CALLS, EXPLORE THE PRACTICALITY OF UTILIZING SWORN OFFICERS, RETIRED SWORN OFFICERS, EXCUSE ME, OR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES TO SUPPORT ADDRESSING THE LOW-PRIORITY CALLS. OF COURSE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH SAPOA AS WE EXPLORE THESE OPTIONS AND COMING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> KAUR: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I'LL PASS TO MY COLEAGUES AND THEN I'LL FINISH OFF COMMENTS IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO START. OR I CAN START. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I WILL GO AHEAD AND START THEN. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE HAVE SO MANY CALLS IN DISTRICT ONE REGARDING PARKING AND NOISE ENFORCEMENT AT NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT FEELS SELFISH FOR THOSE FOLKS TO BE, LIKE, TELLING SAPD, HEY, DON'T GO ADDRESS THAT VIOLENT CRIME, COME CITE THE PERSON THAT'S PARKED ILLEGALLY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. WE DID, THANKS TO MARIA'S ADVOCACY AND SAPD SUPPORT, WE DID DO CITATIONS AT THE LAST COUPLE WEEKENDS FOR SOME OF THE CONCERTS AND WE COULD SEE FOLKS THAT WERE REALLY GRATEFUL BECAUSE THEY WERE -- THEY WERE GIVING OUT A LOT OF CITATIONS BECAUSE IT'S BECOME HABIT FOR FOLKS TO JUST KIND OF PARK AROUND THE BIG AREAS OF EVENTS. SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY, THIS DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, THOUGH. IT ALSO HAPPENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR SPEEDING, WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR OFFICERS TO GO OUT AND ESSENTIALLY CITE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SPEEDING. I KNOW AT ONE POINT COUNCILWOMAN ALDARETE GAVITO WAS CONSIDERING A SPEED LIMIT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT IS SOMETHING WE GET A LOT OF, TOO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE FAMILIES PLAYING IN FRONT YARDS AND OUR STREETS ARE ARTERIES THROUGH THAT CONNECT 281 AND I-10. IT FEELS LIKE NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC CALMING SOLUTIONS ARE POSSIBLE. ALL THAT TO SAY WE DO NEED OBVIOUSLY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT ALSO ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO HELP USE RESOURCES MORE EFFICIENTLY. HAVING TALKED TO SOME OF THE POLICE FOLKS, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIORITY IS TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET OUR RETIRED OFFICERS BACK ON THE FIELD SOMEHOW, SO MAKING SURE WE ARE EXPLORING THAT AS OUR FIRST PRIORITY TO GIVE FOLKS THAT STILL NEED THEIR DAMAGE HELD OR CAN BE OUT THERE AND ARE TRAINED IN CASE SOMETHING DOES GET ELEVATED, SUPPORT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED, IS WHAT -- THE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE RECEIVED. AND SO IF WE CAN SEE IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE NOISE ENFORCEMENT WITH THE CODE OFFICERS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM DALLAS, [00:40:06] THAT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD LEARNING, I THINK, WE COULD TAKE. I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS, SO MAKING SURE THAT WE EXPLORE BOTH SIDES SO THAT WE GO INTO IT EYES WIDE OPEN AND UNDERSTANDING THE COSTS. SO I AM NOT SURE IF SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE, BUT I'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATION FROM THIRD-PARTY VENDOR THAT DOES PROVIDE THIS SUPPORT AND REALLY EXPLORING WHAT ARE THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF THAT, AND WHETHER IT'S WORTH IT OR WHETHER WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO STILL HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT BY KEEPING IT WITHIN SAPD, I THINK, WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS LEARN AND COME UP WITH IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING A BRIEFING IN EITHER JANUARY OR FEBRUARY WHENEVER WE COULD SQUEEZE IT IN. AT LEAST FOR ME AT LEAST, THIS WOULD BE A PRIORITY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED AND COMING UP WITH INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS. WE KNOW WE'RE STILL CHALLENGED WITH FTE FUNDING AND IT WAS A PUSH FROM A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES THIS YEAR TO TRY TO ADD MORE OFFICERS AND WE KNOW THAT'S -- IT'S GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY -- IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US WITH OUR GENERAL FUND, SO ANY INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN STILL SUPPORT OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND DOING THE HARD WORK AND HELPING SUPPORT THEM TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST, WHICH IS DEESCALATE AND -- THEORETICALLY DEESCALATE AND SUPPORT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND DO THIS MINOR STUFF, WHICH IS STILL IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ELSEWHERE. OKAY. I'LL PAUSE THERE. I' L HAND IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. . >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE, I SUPPORT THESE NEXT STEPS AND THANK YOU TO CHAIRWOMAN KAUR FOR PROPOSING THIS IDEA. COULD YOU GO TO SLIDE 7 FOR ME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. SO THESE ARE ALL CALLS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A PROGRAM LIKE THIS? AND THAT REPRESENTS THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE CALLS? SO WE WOULD -- YES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE? >> VILLAGOMEZ: YES. I MEAN, IT'S A ROUGH COST, RIGHT, SO WE'RE MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS, SO YES, SIR. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO HYPOTHETICALLY WITH ALL ASSUMPTIONS PROVING TRUE AND ACCURATE WE COULD SAVE, JUST FOR MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ALONE WE COULD SAVE $6.5 MILLION. >> IT'S A COST, I'M NOT SAYING WE COULD SAVE THAT, BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL BE HIRING CIVILIANS -- IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT MORE COMPLICATED AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IS ABOUT IS GETTING INTO THE COST AND THE ASSUMPTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND SAVE IS A LITTLE -- IT'S CHALLENGING, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IF WE DID MOVE TO THIS MODEL, WOULD IT COST US $6.5 MILLION? PROBABLY NOT. >> VILLAGOMEZ: IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN, TO HELP KATE, I THINK WE'LL BE BETTER PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN WE COME BACK. A COUPLE OF THINGS AS KATE MENTIONED, THIS IS THE COST OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES TODAY. IF WE WERE TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, DEPENDING IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, DALLAS AND HOUSTON THAT ARE NOT TAKING -- THEY'RE NOT SENDING AN OFFICER OUT THERE, BUT RATHER HAVING SOMEBODY AT THE POLICE SUBSTATION TO ADDRESS THAT OR DOING IT ONLINE, WE WILL FACTOR THE COST OF THAT. AND THEN COME BACK WITH A POTENTIAL NET NUMBER. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. >> VILLAGOMEZ: SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS IT AND, OF COURSE, WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE, BOTH WITHIN STATE LAW AND OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE PIECES THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOME WORK TO BRING YOU AN ANSWER. APPRECIATE THAT A TON. I THINK THE -- I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT NEXT MEETING, THE UPDATE WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO HELP US MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THE FINANCIAL SENSE OF ALL OF THIS, BUT I THINK GENERALLY IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF SAFETY AND WHETHER OR NOT FOLK FEEL SAFE, I THINK, THEY'LL ALWAYS FEEL MORE SAFE -- ALWAYS FEEL MORE SAFE IS LIKE -- WHAT WE ARE -- OKAY. IN THE CONTEXT OF CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, THE GOAL IS TO HIRE AS MANY PATROL OFFICERS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND WE CANNOT DO THAT IF -- OFFICERS CANNOT BE PATROLLING IF THEY'RE BUSY HANDLING ALL OF THESE LOW-LEVEL CALLS, THEY CANNOT RESPOND TO THE VIOLENT CRIME IF THEY'RE DOING THIS, THEY CAN'T BE PROACTIVE IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THESE THINGS, SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS SORT OF SHIFT TO REALLOCATE OFFICER TIME SO THAT THEY MAY BE RESPONDING TO THOSE THINGS, PATROLLING, THEY MAY BE HELPING US ACHIEVE OUR COUNCIL PRIORITY OF -- I'M USING CONSENSUS LANGUAGE -- THEY'LL HELP US ACHIEVE OUR GOALS. AND SO I LIKE THE SHIFT, I LIKE THIS IDEA AND I'M INTERESTED IN MORE OF THE NUMBERS BEHIND IT ALL, AND I THINK IT WILL BE -- I THIS A REALLY GREAT IDEA, COUNCILMAN KAUR, AND I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTING TO ME IF WE COULD -- I HAVE A FEW THINGS LISTED, RIGHT. I HAVE BIKE RODEO, I HAVE [00:45:03] FUNERAL PROCESSIONS, IF THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE SHIFTED, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE AS WELL? I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO BE AS SIGNIFICANT -- THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE AS SIGNIFICANT AS THIS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ALL THAT SAID, THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN KAUR, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING IT TO THIS STEP. >> KAUR: THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO STILL, AND I MEAN, IF THIS MEANS I COULD GET AN EXTRA 10 SAVE OFFICERS, I WOULD TAKE AN EXTRA 10 SAFE OFFICERS I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD PUT THEM, TOO. THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY -- AT LEAST IN MY MIND WE'RE NOT FRAMING IT AS WE'RE TAKING PEOPLE AWAY, BUT WE'RE REALLY HELPING THEM DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: BE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, KATE FOR THE PRESENTATION. THAT WAS MY INITIAL THOUGHT, IF THERE'S A GOING TO BE SAVINGS AND OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT THOSE OFFICERS TO SAFE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM IN D5, SAFE. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BECAUSE AS SOUTHTOWN CONTINUES TO EXPAND, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS INCREASE IN MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND THEN, OF COURSE, COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS AROUND NOISE ENFORCEMENT, SO I THINK THIS IS -- AND FROM D5'S PERSPECTIVE, IT'S HELPING US GET AHEAD WITH SOME OF THE GROWTH THAT'S TO COME TO US. I'M EAGER AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEXT STEPS, BUT REGARDING EXPLORING THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE ONLINE REPORTING FOR ADDITIONAL LOW PRIORITY CALLS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE SOLUTION POTENTIALLY LOOKS LIKE MORE FLOCK TECHNOLOGY I WOULD BE HESITANT TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT IF AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BRIEFINGS IF I COULD BE KEPT UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IS BEING CONSIDERED, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, I'LL ECHO THAT FROM COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. I GUESS I JUST INTERRUPTED THE ONLINE REPORTING AS BEING THE PRIMARY TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU'LL WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO. I GUESS WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'D BE LOOKING INTO. >> KINNISON: YOU'RE CORRECT AS OF RIGHT NOW IN ALL OF THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE, THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY, BUT IF WE SEE OTHER OPTIONS, WE'LL KEEP YOU UP TO SPEED FOR SURE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. I NOTICED MENTIONED CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH SAPOA, I SEE SAPOA HERE. WHAT HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEEN LIKE SO FAR? >> VILLAGOMEZ: YES, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IF THEY'VE BEEN PLEASANT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HASH OUT -- >> VILLAGOMEZ: THEY HAVE BEEN POSITIVE AND PRODUCTIVE. I WOULD GIVE CREDIT TO SAN ANTONIO POPE YEAH, SAPOA, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAND R POINTED OUT TO US HOW HOUSTON AND DALLAS ARE HANDLING THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, THEY'RE NOT SENDING AN OFFICER IN ALL CASES, THEY BROUGHT THAT TO US AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT. I THINK THEY'RE OPEN TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND, AGAIN, JUST WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE OF OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, SO THAT WAY WE ARE -- WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE COME BACK AND BRING TO YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION EITHER IS VERY CLEARLY STATED WITHIN WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY OR POTENTIALLY IF THERE'S ANY -- ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THAT'S AWESOME. >> KAUR: THANK YOU. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE NOTE ON THAT, AND THAT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS RECENT EXPERIENCE, IS THAT SOMETIMES FOLKS JUST WANT TO SEE AN OFFICER EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, AND SO I WAS THINKING, BECAUSE I SAW FIRE FOLKS HERE, AS THAT'S OUR NEXT ITEM, WITH THE EMS THE WAY THEY DO THEIR ZOOM SYSTEM, IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT TECHNOLOGY WHERE IT'S STILL AN OFFICER RESPONDING AND THEY CAN STILL SEE IT AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED, AND NOW HERE IS THE STEPS TO GO THROUGH. BECAUSE I CAN -- AS COMMENTING ON THE POINT OR ON SERVICE, WE DON'T WANT OUR CONSTITUENTS TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT BEING -- IN THEIR TIME OF NEED AS FEELING LIKE THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSED, SO IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO HAVE THAT VIRTUAL CONVERSATION AND THEY COULD BE LIKE THIS IS THE NEXT STEPS THAT ARE GOING TO FOLLOW, YOU CAN FILE YOUR REPORT HERE, ET CETERA, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THAT COULD STILL BE AN OFFICER FROM THE STATION OR WHOEVER. YOU JUST MENTIONED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, YOU WERE LIKE THE DISPATCH PERSON TOLD THEM TO FILE A REPORT AND I COULD FEEL HOW THAT MIGHT BE -- FEEL INSUFFICIENT TO SOMEONE WHO'S CALLING, BECAUSE IF THEY'VE ALREADY DECIDED TO CALL, THAT MEANS THAT THEY AREN'T COMFORTABLE DASH THAT THEY'RE NOT THINKING THAT I CAN JUST GO FILE A REPORT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IT DOES HAVEN'T TO BE ON SCENE, IT DOESN'T -- OKAY. I'LL PAUSE THERE. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE YOU BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS THEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH THEN. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRE ASSESSMENT. OH, WAIT. STREEGHT LIGHTS. ITEM 4 IS STREETLIGHTS. WE'LL GET TO YOU. [00:50:01] >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS AMIN TOHMAS AND I'M HERE TO BRIEF YOU ON THIS PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM STARTED IN FY '22 AND IT WAS TO ADDRESS THE STREET ILLUMINATIONS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO OUR CURRENT RULES AND REGULATIONS. THE MAIN CONCEPT IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS. SO SINCE THE PROGRAM STARTED, WE ANALYZED RESIDENTIAL STREETLIGHTS, WE DID ANALYZE 3,092 MILES OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE NEED IS FOR 4,275 ACTUALLY, IT SHOULD BE, I'M SORRY, 4,275 LIGHTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO CLOSE THAT GAP, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT ILLUMINATION THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THE RULE IS YOU DON'T NEED LIGHTS -- THE MINIMUM IS 300 FEET BETWEEN THE TWO POLLS OR THE TWO LIGHTS AND THE MAX IS 600 FEET. SO TO DATE, WE RECEIVED $13.88 MILLION AND WE SPENT MOST OF IT. WE HAVE STILL $5.78 MILLION LEFT. SINCE THE PROGRAM IN 2022, WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, 10 MEETINGS IN COUNCIL DISTRICTS. WE SENT OVER 16,000 LETTERS TO ASK THE RESIDENTS IF THEY STILL LIKE TO HAVE THE LIGHT AND TO MAKE SURE WE GET APPROVAL. MAINLY THIS STARTED WHEN WE HAD THE WIRED LIGHTS, SO WE HAD -- AUDIO] -- FROM THOSE OWNERS TO RUN THE WIRE AND MAKE SURE THEY APPROVE IT. WE HAVE SO FAR 1,403 AUTHORIZED LOCATIONS. WE DID INSTALL 1,050 LIGHTS TO DATE OUT OF THOSE. SO WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 350 LOCATIONS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON INSTALLING THE LIGHTS RIGHT NOW. THIS TABLE SHOWS US THE EXISTING LIGHTS IN EACH DISTRICT, WHAT LIGHTS ARE NEEDED AND THEN HOW MANY ARE INSTALLED IN EACH DISTRICT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF THAT. WE DO HAVE A DASHBOARD ONLINE THAT SHOWS US ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE. IT SHOWS ALL THE LIGHTS THAT ARE NEEDED, 4,275 LIGHTS. IT SHOWS THE LIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SORT IT, YOU CAN DO IT BY DISTRICT, YOU CAN DO IT BY COMPLETED LIGHTS AND REVIEW OR IN CONSTRUCTION. IT GIVES YOU KIND OF THE BREAK DOWN, WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT. AND, AGAIN, BASED ON COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO AS YOU KNOW, THIS LAST BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD AND YOU APPROVED IT, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL APPROVED $5 MILLION TO BE ALLOCATED TO THIS PROGRAM AND THAT IS PART OF THE 13.88 MILLION. SO, AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO INSTALL 500 NEW LIGHTS AND THE BREAKDOWN GOING TO BE ABOUT 40 TO 50 LIGHTS PER MONTH. SO HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE WILL HAVE THOSE 500 LIGHTS INSTALLED. THAT'S REALLY MY UPDATE. AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> KAUR: THANK YOU SO MUCH, AMIN. THIS WAS STARTED FROM A COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S REQUEST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YES. >> KAUR: CCR REQUEST WHEN HE FIRST GOT ELECTED SO I'LL PASS IT TO HIM. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IT WAS ACTUALLY MY FIRST BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT GOT ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL. VERY EXCITING. GLAD TO SEE IT AT THIS POINT. IT HAS BEEN SLOW MOVING IN A SENSE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT PICK UP AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE US GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO FILLING ALL THESE GAPS, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING. CAN I ASK, ON SLIDE 3, ARE THE 1,403 THAT ARE AUTHORIZED SEPARATE FOR THE ONES THAT ARE INSTALLED TO DATE? >> NO. THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF AUTHORIZED LOCATIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OH, NO. OKAY. QUESTION, THEN: SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP NOW THAT -- A SOLAR PARTNERSHIP, AND IT'S A LOT EASIER BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO GET THE EASEMENT ACCESS WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THOSE LETTERS TO HOMEOWNERS ARE ABOUT. >> YES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: HOW IS THAT COMING INTO PLAY WITH THIS, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S -- I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE INSTALLED WAY MORE LIGHTS HAVING THAT NEW -- THAT REVELATION, I GUESS. WHAT IS GOING ON? >> UNDERSTOOD. SO AS YOU STATED, COUNCILMAN, AT THE BEGINNING IT WAS A VERY SLOW PROCESS, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE SUBMITTED THE LETTERS OR SEND THE LETTERS AND WE NEEDED TO GET FEEDBACK, PLUS EVERY TIME WE INSTALL A LIGHT, IF IT'S WIRED, I MEAN, BY THE TIME WE GET THE APPROVAL, GET THE EASEMENT DOCUMENTED AND DO THE INSTALLATION, IT WAS ABOUT SIX MONTH TIME PERIOD. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: UH-HUH. >> NOW, SINCE WE SWITCHED TO SOLAR, IT'S GOING A LOT FASTER. IT'S ABOUT A MONTH FROM THE TIME WE IDENTIFY IT. WE DO LET RESIDENTS STILL KNOW, WE CALL IT -- WE PRESTAKE THE AREA, WE MARK IT, WE PUT DOOR HANGERS, WE TELL THEM AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THE LIGHT SO IF THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES THEY CAN LET US KNOW, AND THEN WE INSTALL IT. [00:55:02] SO IT TAKES ABOUT A MONTH NOW TO INSTALL. HONESTLY WE INSTALLED MOST OF THESE LIGHTS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. AND WAS IT PREVIOUSLY -- SO ONE OF FOUR SORT OF CORNER PROPERTY -- OR ONE OF FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE FOR THEIR EASEMENT TO BE USED. HOW IS IT NOW BEING DECIDED WHERE THAT -- WHICH OF THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS THE LIGHT IS BEING INSTALLED? >> SURE. SO NOW WITH THE SOLAR LIGHTS, WE DON'T NEED ANY EASEMENTS, AND WE ARE INSTALLING THE LIGHT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO HONESTLY -- PRESTAKE IN AND WE PUT THE DOOR TAGS BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL IT AND IF THEY SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WE GO TO THE NEIGHBOR. SO WE STILL WANT THE APPROVAL FROM THE RESIDENT BEFORE WE INSTALL IT, BUT THERE IS NO EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: ARE THERE ANY PLACES -- SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU NEED THOSE EASEMENTS? WE'RE GOING TO DO ENTIRELY SOLAR FOR THE REST OF THE LIGHTS? >> I THINK WE HAVE SIX LOCATIONS THAT THEY WERE PREAPPROVED AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE WIRED, SO THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON INSTALLATION FOR THOSE. BUT, YES, AFTER THOSE SIX, WE DON'T NEED ANY -- >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO NOW THE 1,403 THAT ARE AUTHORIZED, THAT NUMBER NO LONGER MATTERS IT'S BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE LIGHT THAT'S WARRANTED WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT? >> CORRECT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL DO 40 TO 50 LIGHTS A MONTH FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, SO 500 NEW LIGHTS FOR OCTOBER, NEXT OCTOBER? >> YES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OKAY. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I'M FORGETTING IT, SO WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT PERSON. BUT THANK YOU. >> KAUR: YOU CAN CHIME BACK IN IF YOU NEED TO. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YES, I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT. >> KAUR: COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO? KALZ THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, AMIN. DISTRICT FIVE RECEIVED SO MANY REQUESTS FOR LIGHTS AND I KNOW DURING THE BUDGET CONVERSATION I RAISED A CONCERN WITH THE WARRANTYING LIGHTS BEING AT 42 AND OUR TEAM RECEIVED 26 REQUESTS FOR LIGHTS. I UNDERSTAND THE UDC DETERMINES IF IT'S TOO CLOSE OR FAR OR IF A LIGHT'S WANTERRED SO I'M HOPEFUL WHICH -- WARRANTED SO I'M HOPEFUL WHICH CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UDC REQUIREMENTS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IN TERMS -- AND I KNOW IT'S ONLINE, BUT RECEIVING AN UPDATE IN TERMS OF LIKE FOR THIS YEAR WHERE THOSE LIGHTS ARE SET TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN DISTRICT FIVE OUT OF THE 42? >> WE CAN. WE CAN DEFINITELY GET WITH YOUR OFFICE AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. I BELIEVE IN DISTRICT FIVE SO FAR WE INSTALLED 39 OF THE 42, SO THERE'S ONLY THREE LEFT. WE CAN DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW WHICH LOCATIONS. >> CASTILLO: YES. AND I BELIEVE DURING THE BUDGET CONVERSATION, COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN SAID WHY NOT JUST FINISH ALL IN DISTRICT FIVE, LET'S JUST CLEAR THEM. >> WE'LL MAKE IT PRIORITY, UNLESS OTHER DISTRICTS COMPLAIN. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, AMIN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: AND BUILDING OFF OF THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD SEE THAT FOR EACH OF THE TICKETS. AND I'LL JUST REITERATE, RIGHT, THE WARRANTED LIGHTS TO ME I THINK SHOULD BE RELOOKED AT. SO I ASKED ACTUALLY MARIA TO BRING THIS, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE US -- I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR Y'ALL'S OPINION ON THIS, TAKING A LOOK AT WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT AND NEED THESE LIGHTS. BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT DISTRICTS 9 AND 10, THEY HAVE A LOT OF SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL LIGHTS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND HOW DO WE -- IT'S A LOT EASIER TO JUST GEOMAP AND SAY WHEREVER THERE'S A 600-FOOT GAP, LET'S ADD A LIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE NEED ACTUAL LIGHTS OR ADDITIONAL LIGHTS. SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE RESEARCHED WITH THE SAFE PASSAGEWAY TO SCHOOL WAS THE RECOMMENDED DISTANCE FOR LIGHTS TO SCHOOL IS ACTUALLY 200 FEET. AND SO I CAN IMAGINE IN DISTRICT FIVE, BECAUSE I KNOW IN DISTRICT ONE, THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOLS WHERE KIDS ARE WALKING DURING THE WINTER MONTHS THAT STILL FEEL VERY DARK THAT I THINK SHOULD BE A HIGHER PREFERENCE THAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT STREETLIGHTS. SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY, I WOULD PUSH -- I KNOW YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S, LIKE -- YES, CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE HITTING OUR TARGETS, BUT IF YOU CAN SEND TO EACH OF -- IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO GATHER THE DATA FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS OF WHICH ONES YOU ARE GOING TO INSTALL, BRIEF THE COUNCILPERSON, SO AT LEAST THE COUNCILPERSON IS AWARE AND KNOWS -- CAN MAYBE ADDRESS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO ENSURE THOSE LIGHTS ARE WARRANTED -- OR NOT WANTERRED, REQUESTED, AND THEN, TWO, IF WE COULD WORK WITH CPS, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THEIR PROVIDERS IS REPRESENTED BY OUR PREVIOUS MAYOR'S CHIEF OF STAFF TODAY IS DOING AN ANALYSIS ALREADY ON WHERE [01:00:02] COMMUNITY -- LIKE COMMUNITY NEEDS ANALYSIS. SO IF THERE -- AND, AGAIN, I KNOW WE FUNDED THIS TO ACCELERATE, SO IT'S HARD WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE ON THIS TO ALSO LOOK AT ARE WE DOING THIS THE RIGHT WAY. SO IF WE CAN SET UP A MEET TIME TO SEE IF -- I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FUNDING STREETLIGHTS -- OR AT LEAST PRIORITIZING THEM IN THE RIGHT WAY WHERE THERE IS A HIGHER NEED VERSUS JUST WHERE THE DISTANCE WAS NOT MET. SO THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST, AND MAYBE IF YOU GUYS CAN FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AND SEE HOW THAT PROGRESSES TO THEN COME BACK TO US AND -- AFTER EACH OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS IS YOUR PLAN FOR STREETLIGHTS FOR THE YEAR, AND -- OR COUNCILMEMBERS FOR THEIR AIDS, I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY'S LIKE ME, I'M LIKE, I WANT THIS. IF YOU COULD COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY WE COULD PIVOT OR AT LEAST PRIORITIZE, IF NOT PIVOT, PRIORITIZE THE AREA WHERE THERE'S HIGHER NEED. AND MAYBE EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SAYING IN SOME CASES WE WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT SPACE REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REQUIRES A CODE CHANGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. DOES THAT REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE? >> YES. TODAY IN THE UDC AND THE CPS GUIDELINES, IT TALKS ABOUT MINIMUM 300-FOOT MAX, 600, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY CODE DEFINED AND THAT'S HOW WE DID THE ANALYSIS. IF THE REQUEST IS GOING TO BE 200-FOOT, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO MODIFY THE CODE AT THAT POINT. >> KAUR: GOT IT. SO MAYBE AN ANALYSIS AFTER THIS TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO MODIFY THE CODE BASED ON TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD OR, LIKE, DISTANCE -- KIND OF AS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH HOUSING, RIGHT? KISSDISTANCE TO BUS STOP, DISTANCE TO SCHOOL, LIBRARY, GROCERY STORE. >> SURE. >> KAUR: AND DETERMINE WHETHER THAT WOULD AFFECT WHAT OUR MINIMUM RIGHTS ARE. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERFECT TIMING. I MEAN, WE CAN UPDATE THE UDC IN 2027. I KNOW WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS YEAR TO INSTALL THE LIGHTS, SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A TOPIC WE NEED TO PUT ON OUR LIST AND MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT. >> KAUR: AND I WILL -- I KNOW I'M -- I LOVE THAT WE CAN AMEND THE UDC THEN, BUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO STILL PRIORITIZE -- BECAUSE $5 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR STREETLIGHTS IS NOT NOTHING. >> NO, ABSOLUTELY. >> KAUR: AND SO I -- WE INVESTED HEAVILY IN IT THIS YEAR, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INVESTMENT IS WORTH LIKE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK, I GUESS, LIKE WE'RE SPENDING IT IN THE RIGHT AREA. SO IF THERE -- AGAIN, I BELIEVE FROM THE INFORMATION THAT I KNOW THAT THEIR ASSESSMENT FOR COMMUNITY NEEDS SHOULD BE DONE BY -- IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, SO MAYBE WE CAN BRING THIS BACK IN AND ASSESS TO SEE IF YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT THE MAPS AND S ASSESS THESE ARE THE AREAS WE WOULD PRIORITIZE FOR RIGHT NOW, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. DOES THAT WORK? >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> KAUR: COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I KNOW THIS ISN'T PCDC, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY READY TO TALK ABOUT THE UDC NECESSARILY, BUT I DO WONDER IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT, JUST LIKE CHAIRWOMAN KAUR WAS SAYING, LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT SOONER, WHAT WOULD IT -- -- WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO LOOK AT THIS GAP ANALYSIS, AND TO DETERMINE IF WE WERE TO INSTEAD TO LOOK AT 200 FEET IN CERTAIN AREAS, HOW MANY LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE INSTEAD? >> YEAH, SO I WANT TO START ON THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION. SO WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR CYCLE ON THE UDC INTENTIONALLY TO TRY TO BRING CONSISTENCY AND CERTAINTY TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, TO EVERYONE WHO IS BUILDING STUFF, RIGHT? SO WE'RE PRETTY NEAR THE END OF THAT CYCLE, SO, I MEAN, TO HIT BEFORE THAT CYCLE WOULD TAKE A LOT OF COORDINATION. NOT SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT BUT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED ANYTIME THAT WE AMEND THE -- >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE'RE NOT STARTING THAT UNTIL 2027, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE CAN WORK ON IT BUT I'M TELLING YOU THE REALITY OF WHAT THEY ARE FACING AND NOT TO FRUSTRATE YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I AS COUNCILMEMBER COULD CALL FOR A CHANGE IN THE CODE -- >> YEAH, NOT ARGUING AND JUST TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THERE'S AN EXTENDED PROCESS AND IT'S WANT BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE OF THE FOLKS INVOLVED BUT TO YOUR POINT AROUND A RADIUS AROUND A SCHOOL OR A HOSPITAL, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WOULD BE OPEN TO, SO THEN WE COULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT. LIKE, WITHIN A CERTAIN -- I DON'T KNOW -- QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE OF A SCHOOL, THAT THE UDC COULD TALK ABOUT. THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, CORRECT? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YES. I -- NO -- >> MAY I COUNCILMAN? [01:05:06] I WAS GOING TO OFFER THAT I'LL WORK WITH THE TEAM AND WITH THE CHAIRWOMAN AND COME BACK SOON, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS. I MEAN, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING A CHANGE SOONER THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO, WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS ON HOW YOU COULD ACHIEVE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. TO YOUR POINT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE $5 MILLION THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IS BEING USED PERHAPS IN A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY THAN WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I'LL BE BLUNT BUT ALSO CLEAR. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS INFORMATION, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID. SO TO THAT POINT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPERS ARE BROUGHT INTO THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D PROPOSE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID -- >> SORRY, I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT WE CAN EASILY DO THE ANALYSIS AND I DIDN'T WANT THAT ANALYSIS IN YOUR HEAD TO MAKE YOU THINK THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT IMMEDIATELY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: PERFECT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE. AND, YOU KNOW, ECHO -- YOU KNOW, GIVE DISTRICT 5 THEIR THREE LIGHTS. [LAUGHTER] WE LOVE 100%. SO GIVE THEM THEIR LIGHTS. AND I WILL SAY AS WELL, SO SUNRISE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF IDENTIFIED GAPS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO, UM, TO RECONSTRUCT MANY OF THEIR F STREETS TODAY. IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOODS I THINK THEY HAD THE MOST F STREETS IN THE CITY AND THEY HAD THE MOST STREET LIGHT GAPS. SO, UM, ABLE -- THEY'RE REALLY APPRECIATIVE, I WANT TO SAY, OF THE WORK OF YOUR TEAM AND THAT LENS AND THROUGH THE STREET LIGHTS AS WELL. AND THAT THE SOLAR LIGHT DOES STILL PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF BRIGHTNESS THAT THEY NEED AND EXPECT. AND SO YOU HAVE THAT -- THAT STAMP OF APPROVAL. AND I STILL CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT TO BE? OH, OKAY -- PRIORITIZATION. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF INTEGRATED COMMUNITY BEING PRIORITIZED FOR THESE? OR WHERE CRIME COULD BE PREVENTED BECAUSE OF THE STREET LIGHT? >> SURE, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH THEM ON IT. I KNOW INITIALLY IN 2022 WHEN THIS PROGRAM STARTED, WE HAD THOSE PRIORITIES, BUT, AGAIN, WHEN WE SENT THE LETTERS AND WE WEREN'T GETTING THE RIGHT RESPONSES OR RESPONSES THAT WE NEEDED, AT SOME POINT WE ARE LIKE WE HAVE THE MONEY AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'RE MOVING NOW IS THAT MINUTE WE HAVE A LOCATION WE IMMEDIATELY INSTALL THE LIGHT OR GET APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBORS. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY AREAS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, AND IF THERE'S THOUGH PRIORITIES WE CAN PUT THEM AHEAD OF THE REST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. >> AND I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING, COUNCILMAN. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU WANT US TO DO ANALYSIS WITH THE 200 FOOT? IS THAT THE WHOLE CITY, OR ARE WE TALKING KIND OF LIKE WHAT JOHN -- AROUND THE SCHOOLS OR AROUND -- >> WHAT I THINK THAT THERE IS ALREADY A COMMUNITY NEEDS ANALYSIS THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED RIGHT NOW BY DAKIA THAT IS BASED ON GAPS AND NOT BASED ON, LIKE, FIXED GAP -- IT'S BASED ON NEEDS AND NOT GAPS. SO I THINK THAT AS A NEXT STEP IF YOU GUYS COULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO SEE IF THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO HELP TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE MAP THAT WE HAVE. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WANT TO BE STRATEGIC HOW WE SPEND THE $5 MILLION WITH LIGHTS, AND SO IF LOOKING AT THE MAP DIFFERENTLY -- THE REASON THAT I ASKED THE CODE QUESTION, I HAVE DISTRICT 1 STREET LIGHT FUND AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH US ON THAT. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO APPROVE LIGHTS THAT DID NOT MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT. SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO MY QUESTION WAS REALLY, LIKE, SINCE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE THE LIGHT BEING INSTALLED, EVEN IF IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT, WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO THINK MORE STRATEGICALLY ABOUT WHERE THESE LIGHTS ARE GOING? THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT I THINK THAT WE HAD. SO IF MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WE CAN DO SOME THINGS AND COME BACK IN JANUARY -- SO MUCH -- JANUARY/FEBRUARY, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAVE TO PIVOT OR TO PRIORITIZE THESE SPECIFIC AREAS FROM -- FOR THIS NEXT UPCOMING TIME PERIOD. AND THEN JUST ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT UDC. STREET LIGHTS ARE NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DEVELOPERS, RIGHT? THEY'RE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CPS? >> IF THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. >> KAUR: THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. BUT NOT ON -- [01:10:04] >> NEW DEVELOPMENT. >> KAUR: NON-EXISTING. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND WHATNOT. >> NEW SUBDIVISIONS. >> THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING BECAUSE IT DID NOT EXIST IN UDC IN THE PAST. >> KAUR: SO IF THIS CONVERSATION COMES UP AND WE SPECIFY, LIKE, THE TYPE OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE DEVELOPERS' CONCERNS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE BUILDING A SUBDISITUATION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT URBAN CORE, WALKABILITY, ETC.. DID THAT COVER? >> YEAH, THAT WAS A PIECE AND WITHIN THIS -- I'D BE REMISS TO NOT MENTION, LIKE, POLLUTION AND WANTING THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE. WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE LIGHTING GAPS AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE SAFE BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO -- YOU KNOW, YOU WANT -- WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK UP TO THE SKY AND SEE STARS. I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE PROBABLY ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR STREET LIGHT WHERE IS THEY'RE AT. AND I THINK THAT THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE ADEQUATE AND IT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO THE INNER CITY AND PEOPLE EXPECT MORE LIGHT OR THERE'S NOT LIGHTING TO BEGIN WITH, AND MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE IN SOME PLACES TO HAVE A NARROWER GAP THAN A -- THAN THE 600 FEET THAT IS ALLOWABLE. THAT WAS IT. I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF FIGURE WE NEED TO AND I WILL FIGURE IT OUT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] MENTIONED TO ME ABOUT THE DARK SKY INITIATIVE AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE PURPLE LIGHT THING GOING ON WITH REPLACING SOME OF THOSE LIGHTBULBS -- [INDISCERNIBLE] >> KAUR: PURPLE LIGHTS. >> BLUE LIGHTS ASKED TO BE CHANGED AT SO IN THE NEXT BRIEFING WE COULD TALK A BIT ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND, UM, WHICH LIGHTS ARE BETTER FOR OUR DARK SKY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YOU JUST WANT EVERYTHING TO BE PURPLE. >> KAUR: NOT WRONG. OKAY, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND I WANT TO HAVE SUPPORT WITH LOOKING AT THE ANALYSIS AND HOW IT COULD BETTER SUPPORT THE STREET LIGHT GAP INITIATIVE. AND A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT THE COUNCILMAN RAISED -- CAN YOU REMIND ME, IN TERMS OF THE CRIME PREPREVENTION PLAN, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE THERE MAY BE LIGHTING -- WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE BUCKET OF FUNDING OR WOULD THIS FUND ALSO HELP TO SUPPORT THAT INITIATIVE AS WELL? >> IT'S THE SAME FUNDING -- THE $5 MILLION. IF YOU MAY RECALL, WE TOOK -- WE TOOK WHAT WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY SAFETY, $3 MILLION, AND MOVED IT INTO STREET LIGHTS. SO THIS IS ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE. >> CASTILLO: SO BOTH INITIATIVES WILL BE RUNNING PARALLEL, STREET LIGHTS AND GAPING THE HOT SPOTS WHERE THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR LIGHT SOMETHING. >> WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS HAPPENING AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CODE WAS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL COORDINATE IN THAT. SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU HOW WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. >> CASTILLO: OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD, THANK YOU -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE REALLY BE AWESOME TO SEE A HOT SPOT MAP WITH THE STREET LIGHT MAP OVERLAID, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I KNOW -- >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> KAUR: OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THAT CONVERSATION, THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR THE ASSIST. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO OUR FIRE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND CHIEF FRAUSTO IS PRESENTING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANKS FOR HAVING ME TODAY. MY NAME IS VALERIE FRAUSTO AND I'M THE FIRE CHIEF AND I AM HERE FOR THE SAFD NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW AND A TIMELINE. SAN ANTONIO -- OH, ACTUALLY, I WENT TOO FAR -- SAN ANTONIO IS, UM, GROWING SUPER FAST. WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND THAT GROWTH DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE DEMAND ON OUR FIRE AND EMS SYSTEM. WE'RE FEELING THAT GROWTH IN OUR CALL VOLUME AND OVERALL SERVICE DEMAND TO STAY AHEAD OF IT, WE'RE TAKING A STEP BACK, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DELIVER THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS. WE'RE GOING TO BE KICKING OFF A COMPREHENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT LOOKS AT THREE AREAS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GET RIGHT. THAT IS THE LONG-TERM STAFFING, FLEET AND EQUIPMENT NEEDS, AND A FULL FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. THAT INCLUDES EVALUATING OUR CURRENT STATIONS AND IDENTIFYING WHERE FUTURE STATIONS WILL BE NEEDED. THE FY 26 BUDGET INCLUDES $1.4 [01:15:04] MILLION FOR THIS INITIATIVE. AND WE'VE ALREADY INVITED THE FIREFIGHTERS' ASSOCIATION TO PARTICIPATE, SO THEY ARE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. AND THE ASSESSMENT WILL FOLLOW NATIONAL STANDARDS AND BENCHMARKS TO INCLUDE NFPA, ISO AND THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EXCELLENCE, TO ENSURE ALIGNMENT WITH INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. IN THE END, THIS PROCESS WILL GIVE US A SOLID DATA-DRIVEN ROADMAP FOR PLANNING CAPITAL PROJECTS, ALIGNING STAFFING NEEDS, AND KEEPING OPERATIONAL READINESS STRONG AS SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO EXPAND. OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE -- MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE, OUR RESOURCES, AND OUR STATION, MATCH THE PACE OF OUR GROWING CITY. NOT JUST TODAY, BUT FOR THE NEXT DECADE. SO HERE WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE, AND I'LL GO OVER THIS VERY BRIEFLY. WE'LL BE FINALIZING THE SCOPE OF WORK BY END OF YEAR, AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO RELEASE THE RFP -- ALSO BY END OF YEAR. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY BE WRAPPING UP THE SCOPE OF WORK, UM, BY EARLY DECEMBER, AND THEN RELEASING IT FOR SOLICITATION BY END OF YEAR. WE EXPECT CONSULTANT SELECTION IN APRIL OF 2026. AND IF ALL GOES AS PLANNED, THE STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT ASSESSMENT WILL BE COMPLETED BY SUMMER OF 2026. AND THE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT BY LATE 2026, OR EARLY 2027. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION. BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> KAUR: THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR PROVIDING THAT UPDATE. I'LL PASS IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ BECAUSE HE PUSHES FOR IN THE CSR. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR COUNCIL FOR APPROVING FUNDING FOR THIS ASSESSMENT. IN MY ABSENCE WHILE I WAS ON PARENTAL LEAVE, THIS WAS A GREAN HOME TO. I WILL ASK, I GUESS -- ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE IN THIS SCOPE OF WORK DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, THE ORIGINAL CCR ASKED FOR IT TO LOOK OUT TO 2040, AND I USED A 15-YEAR TIMELINE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS FEASIBLE? AND I'M THINKING -- A PART OF THAT IS WE ONLY HAVE A BOND PROGRAM EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS OF RIGHT NOW. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS MANY OF THESE NEEDS, AND SO THEN WE HAVE TO START THINKING, ARE WE PREPARED -- YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS AND LOOKING AT THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY, ARE WE PREPARED FOR FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW -- AND A LOT OF TIMES WITH OUR DEPARTMENT WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE THINKING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. BUT WE'RE NOT THINKING MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT. AND I THANK IS THE PROBLEM WITH OUR VERY, VERY EARLY CITY PLANNING SO I HOPE TO ADDRESS THAT HERE, BUT I WONDER IF THAT 15 YEARS, IS THAT SOMETHING REASONABLE TO EXPECT WITHIN THE SCOPE? >> COUNCILMAN, WE -- AND WE'RE HERE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS SCOPE OF WORK, SO I APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED US TODAY. SO, UM, WE CAN EXTEND THE TIMELINE. WE THOUGHT ABOUT 10 YEARS, WHEN WE DID THE POLICE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT. WE DID 10 YEARS AS WELL. AND IT GAVE US AN IDEA TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT POLICE STATIONS AS WELL AS FUTURE GROWTH. GRANTED, WE CANNOT COMPLETE IT WITHIN 10 YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS BUT IT GIVES US A GOOD ROADMAP. WE CAN EXTEND IT FOR AN ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT -- I'M SORRY, THE ASSESSMENTS AND THE STAFFING AND DEVELOPMENT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE. A 10-YEAR TIMEFRAME SEEMED REASONABLE TO US, BECAUSE THINGS DO CHANGE OVER TIME, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF DOING ANOTHER ASSESSMENT MAYBE AT THE END OF THE 10-YEAR TERM IS PROBABLY FEASIBLE AS, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY WILL CHANGE. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO EXTEND IT, AS WE'RE GOING TO BE RELEASING THE RFP. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOT YOU. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR -- I MEAN, THIS WOULDN'T BE -- WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE -- IT WOULD BE COMPLETED LATE 2026, EARLY 2027? WHICH, IF ALL THINGS WERE TO REMAIN AS IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT GIVES US MUCH TIME FOR THE 2027 BOND PROGRAM. >> SO A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE STAFFING AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT CONSULTANTS CAN COMPLETE RELATIVELY SOON IN PREPARATION, PROBABLY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET. SO MAYBE JUNE/JULY TIMEFRAME THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH YOU IN AUGUST POTENTIALLY. THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 54 FIRE [01:20:02] STATIONS, PLUS OTHER FACILITIES, WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME. THAT SAID, THE CHIEF AND HER TEAM HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED SOME OF OUR FIRE STATIONS THAT NEED REPLACEMENT. SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE WAITING FOR THIS TO BE COMPLETED, TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU FOR THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM WHICH ARE THOSE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND. SO I DON'T SEE THAT NECESSARILY AS AN ISSUE. BUT DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOTCHA, AND IF WE CAN IMPROVE THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP. I'M WONDERING, BECAUSE THAT'S AN ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK -- AND I WOULD LOVE ALL OF THESE POINTS TO BE ECHOED IF POSSIBLE BY MY COLLEAGUES -- IS A LOOK OUT INTO THE FUTURE. AGAIN, OF COURSE, WITH DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, WHERE -- WHERE ARE THE NEW STATIONS LIKELY TO BE NEEDED NEXT? >> YES, AND THAT IS IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT GROWTH PATTERNS ALREADY AND PERHAPS AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE NEED FIRE STATIONS TODAY. SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PLAN. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOTCHA, I THINK THAT IS WHAT GIVES ME THE MOST PAUSE IN TERMS OF THE 10-YEAR TIMELINE. I THINK THAT -- I HEAR YOUR POINT AND I DO THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, AND 10 YEARS AND THINGS CAN CHANGE, HAVE THE BRIGHTEST MINDS IN THE COUNTRY IN OUR CITY, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND THEN EXPANDING IT ALLOWS US TO LOOK NOT JUST AT THE 2027 BOND BUT 2032, AND THEN 2037 AS POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. AS WELL AS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT FALLS -- ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT FALL INTO THE CITY'S LAP ALONG THE WAY. BUT I GUESS THAT IS PART OF MY PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF THE 15 YEARS. BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP THINKING OTHER THAN THAT, AND I THINK -- PLEASE CONTINUE TO INCLUDE. I KNOW THAT I MENTIONED THE FIRE ASSOCIATION IS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AND WE'RE STILL IN VERY EARLY STAGES AND I HOPE THAT THEY'LL ALSO BE ENGAGED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK DEVELOPMENT. >> YES, THEY CERTAINLY WILL. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: PERFECT, THANK YOU. >> KAUR: OF COURSE, COUNCIL PERSON CASTILLO. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ SAID, AND IN TERMS OF ASSESSMENT, WHAT I HOPE SEE IS A FOCUS ON THE SPORTS DISTRICT. I KNOW THAT FOR MANY DISTRICT 5 RESIDENTS THAT CALL EMS,UM, THEY GET SENT TO THE HOSPITAL DOWNTOWN AND IF THERE'S A NEED WITHIN THE SPORTS DISTRICT THAT THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH RESPONSE TIMES AND/OR PERSONNEL. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY EXPECTATIONS IS WITHIN THE OVERALL ANALYSIS AND ASSESSMENT IS THAT WE'RE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND THE POTENTIAL N NEED FOR MORE CAUSEF SERVICE WITHIN THE SPORTS DISTRICT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> KAUR: THANK YOU. CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR -- I KNOW JUST A SEPARATE CONVERSATION -- BUT THE COST OF SEA SERVICES ASSESSMENT INCLUDED IN THAT. >> YES, THAT'S OUR INTENT TO HAVE ALL PUBLIC SAFETY INQUIREYS THAT WE MAY NEED. >> KAUR: THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PROVIDE INPUT ONTO THE SCOPE. I UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCIL PERSON MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ IS COMING ON THE 15 YEARS AND I DO, HOWEVER, WORRY ABOUT REALLY LONG-TERM PLANNING WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH THAT COULD CHANGE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE A COUNCIL THAT REALLY SUPPORTS DENSITY AND BUILDING UP. I THINK THAT OUR POPULATION AROUND WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE SERVICES AND WHERE WE'RE BUILDING ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT -- IF THAT COULD CHANGE -- AND ALSO BUILDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FAMILY-AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR THREE DISTRICTS SPECIFICALLY -- THAT COULD CHANGE THE POPULATIONS GROWTH THE WAY THAT DEMOGRAPHERS SHOW IT. BECAUSE IF YOU -- THE WAY THAT DEMOGRAPHERS USE IS THEY USE HISTORIC AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HISTORIC, IT MIGHT COME BACK SAYING THAT WE NEED MORE FIRE SUPPORT IN OUR SUBURBAN AREAS. VERSUS WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE IF WE -- IN MY OPINION, LIKE, IF WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE DENSITY, THAT WE WOULD NEED MORE, UM, LIKE OUR STATIONS THAT ARE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN WOULD NEED MORE BEEF-UP. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD CHANGE IN THE 10-15 YEAR APPROACH. BUT I TOTALLY HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ALSO, LIKE, HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT AND ALSO THINKING LONG TERM. SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THE CONSULTANT COULD DO, LIKE, TWO -- OR A COUPLE -- SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY PRESENT HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND BASED ON THOSE OPTIONS, LIKE, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE SEE GROWTH IN THE URBAN CORE, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, VERSUS IF WE SEE SUBURBAN SPRAWL, THIS IS [01:25:01] WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMENDATION. QUITE FRANKLY, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IT MIGHT HELP US TO BETTER DEFEND WHY WE WANT MORE, UM, DENSITY AS WELL. AND SO I THINK THAT IS THING ONE. THING TWO THAT I HAVE ON THIS IS THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT DO IDENTIFY STATIONS THAT NEED TO BE SUPPORTED. ABOUT THE LAND IN THAT AREA AND GET OUR REAL ESTATE TEAM STARTING TO LOOK FOR THAT LAND, LIKE, NOW. I AM SAYING THIS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH TIMMS ON CALEBRA AND IT'S PARTICULARLY HARD, PARTICULARLY IN THE URBAN CORE, TO FIND ENOUGH LAND FOR THE NEW MODEL. SO TWO THINGS. ONE, IF WE SEE LAND THAT COMES UP IN AND AROUND OUR FIRE STATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROACTIVELY TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT. AND THEN, IF IS THERE IS A WAY -- I KNOW THAT, LIKE, TALKING TO THE ASSOCIATION AND THERE'S A MIXED BAG ABOUT GOING VERTICAL VERSUS HORIZONTAL AND WHAT THE THINKING AROUND CHANGING IT TO HORIZONTAL WAS. IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TWO OR THREE DESIGNS THAT WE COULD USE IN THE EVENT THAT LIKE WE SEE HERE WHERE THE LAND IS JUST NOT AVAILABLE, HOW DO WE STILL GET OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THE AMENITIES AND THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED IN THEIR STATION WHILE MAYBE HAVING TO GO VERTICAL. AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THAT, AGAIN, I WAS BRIEFED BY THE ASSOCIATION ON THE SQUAD PROGRAM AND HOW BENEFICIAL THE, BOTH FOR OUR EQUIPMENT. SO IF THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORY OF THE SQUAD PROGRAM AND SEE, LIKE, HOW MANY HAS THIS BENEFITED OUR FIRE ENGINES AND HOW MUCH HAS IT BENEFITED STAFF TIME IN TERMS OF, LIKE, NOT HAVING TO SEND OUT FOR -- BUT SENDING OUT TO. AND IF WE COULD -- I KNOW THAT WE ACCELERATED THAT THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET, BUT HOW MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITY THERE IS WITHIN THAT, OR OTHER INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, TO, UM, TO BE MOST EFFICIENT WITH OUR RESOURCES THAT ARE THE MOST COSTLY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS. I THINK THAT TO EXPAND ON THAT SCOPE OF WORK A LITTLE BIT -- AND I THINK THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OPTIONS -- I THINK THAT IF I WERE LOOKING AT -- IF I COULD SEE A REPORT AND IT GAVE ME -- THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE AT THE FIVE YEARS AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE MOST CONFIDENT AND THIS IS WHAT THE NEED IS BASED OFF THE PROJECTED GROWTH AND BASED OFF OF THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT -- AND BASED OFF ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO HAPPEN, BUT THERE ARE ALSO THESE THINGS THAT CAN CHANGE AND HERE'S TWO OPTIONS. 15 YEARS FROM NOW, BASED OFF OF THAT -- YOU KNOW -- I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM TO GROW, BUT I THINK THAT -- OR THERE'S ROOM FOR ERROR THERE, THE FURTHER OUT THAT YOU GET. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S GOOD TO LOOK OUT FAR AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT IF THINGS KEEP GOING IN THIS DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO START LOOKING AT LAND OVER HERE. WE'RE GOING TO START TO NEED A NEW FIRE STATION IN THIS AREA OR NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER PARTNERSHIPS. WHAT DO WE DO. I WILL DEFEND THAT 15 YEARS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONFIDENCE IN THE FIVE AND 10 YEAR. SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND VARIANCES AND WHATNOT. THANK YOU. >> KAUR: AND I'M SURE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THEY RECOMMEND WOULD KEEP US AT OUR HIGHEST KOREAING. I TOLD YOU, CHIEF, NOW THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE AWARDS FOR THE FIRE STATION WE NEED TO KEEP UP THAT STANDARD. >> DEFINITELY. >> KAUR: AND THE LAST THING IS THAT THE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT FOR OUR OFFICERS. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT -- OH, SORRY -- FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS -- THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, WITH HOW IT'S HARD TO HIRE, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT MAYBE IF THEY COULD CONSIDER WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR TO PROVIDE SOME CONSULTING ADVICE ON HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO FOR A MENTAL HEALTH STANDPOINT FOR THTHEM AS WELL. COUNCIL PERSON CASTILLO, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THANK YOU, CHIEF FRAUSTO AND I THINK THAT IS OUR ENTIRE AGENDA. >> YES, MESSAGE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.