* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] ALRIGHT, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES STATEMENT. 'CAUSE YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT ME TO DO IT. MY SPANISH IS AWFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSANTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING. COMMISSIONER OF THE TIME IS ONE O'CLOCK. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION END SESSION. UH, I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ON MY FAR LEFT. THANK YOU CHAIR. MY NAME IS ROB SIPES FOR DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M JOHN KELLY FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. DANNY KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WHITSETT, DISTRICT 10 MOSES VE DISTRICT NINE MIA LOS DISTRICT TWO DISTRICT SIX. GEORGE OSA. DISTRICT THREE 80 P RODRIGUEZ. DISTRICT FOUR. RIGHT. IS A QUORUM PRESENT? YES. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FACT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO BEGINNING OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. STAFF IF YOU WOULD, BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES. UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THEIR REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING, YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED INTO SPEAK. SPEAK AND PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT WHEN THAT SPEAKER IS GOING UP TO THE PODIUM THAT YOU ARE YIELDING YOUR TIME, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS? THERE ARE NOT. OKAY. VERY WELL. UH, WE WILL BEGIN THEN WITH OUR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, UH, WHICH IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. STAFF, IF YOU WOULD JUST LIST THOSE CASES. ITEM NUMBER 2, 5, 6, AND EIGHT. VERY WELL, UH, COMMISSIONERS. WOULD ANY COMMISSIONER LIKE TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA TO INDIVIDUAL OR CONTINUANCE? LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ THE CONSENT AGENDA INTO THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R FOUR TO C TWO LOCATED AT SEVEN 50 COUPLES ROAD. 15. NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO POST THE WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID NOT PROVIDE RESPONSE. APPLICANT IS AMENDING THE REQUEST TO ADD AN NA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R SIX TO IDZ ONE WITH USES PERMITTED IN MF 18 LOCATED AT 3 3 4 HELENA STREET. ALL RELEASE REMAIN [00:05:01] THE SAME. 44 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR. TWO. OPPOSE. LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER SIX, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 1 3 5 WEST NORWOOD COURT. ALL OTHER RELEASE TO REMAIN THE SAME. 29 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET. ONE IN FAVOR. ZERO POST MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM MI ONE TO L LOCATED AT 15 51 1 APPLEWHITE ROAD. ALL OTHER RELEASE TO REMAIN THE SAME. 12 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER 6 8 1 7 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE ON BEHALF OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDING CASE ENDING IN 2 4 7 4 1 3 5 WEST NORWOOD COURT. DEAR ZONING COMMISSIONERS, IT IS THE POLICY OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO SUPPORT ITS NEIGHBORS DECISIONS ON ZONING CASES WHERE THOSE DECISIONS ALIGN WITH OUR OWN GOALS. WE ARE PLEASED TO JOIN THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND DSD STAFF IN SUPPORTING THIS REZONING REQUEST AT 1 35 WEST NORWOOD COURT. TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OFTEN THE LINE FOR OPPOSING ZONING REQUESTS AND NEW HOUSING, BUT IN TRUTH WE MOSTLY SUPPORT REQUESTS WHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE THE EFFORT TO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSION AND WORK TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS RESPECTFULLY. CYNTHIA WALKER, CHAIR OF THE ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS SHARON GARCIA AND I LIVE AT 3 1 2 WEST NORWOOD COURT 7 8 2 1 2. I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE Z 20 25 1 0 7 0 0 2 4 7. A REZONING CASE FOR 1 3 6 WEST NORWOOD COURT BOARD MEMBERS FROM THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAVE MET WITH EMILY WEISLER, THE LAND USE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF 1 3 5 WEST NORWOOD COURT. EXCUSE ME, I DO MEAN 1 3 5. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF REZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR UNITS. THIS PROPERTY HAS LONG SUPPLIED THE KIND OF AFFORDABLE MID-RANGE HOUSING OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS AND HAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR THIS REZONING. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE MAIN STRUCTURE BEING REFURBISHED AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE APARTMENTS REHABBED AS WELL. WE ASK THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION SUPPORT THIS REZONING REQUEST ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM TWO, SIR, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM TWO. UH, WILL YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR REQUEST TO BE, UH, C TWO NA? YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ALRIGHT. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER TWO AS AMENDED. ITEM NUMBER FIVE SIX AND EIGHT SECOND. ALRIGHT, UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO AS AMENDED FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. UH, ANY DISCUSSION LOOKING TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER ELL. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON ITEM SIX. UM, THE READING, READING THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PROPOSAL WAS TO ADD A GARAGE, BUT THE CD IS TO HAVE FOUR UNITS DWELLING UNITS. COULD YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON, ON ITEM SIX, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE STORY? UM, THE APPLICANT MAYBE, OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE FURTHER CLARIFICATION. OH, GOOD THING EMILY, I'D MISS WEISLER. COME ON UP EMILY. WE NOT EVEN ON EMILY WEISER KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE SUITE TWO 50. YES. COMMISSIONERS. SO [00:10:01] THE UM, IT'S AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THERE IS AN EXISTING THREE UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE BACK. THE PROPERTY, UM, HAS BEEN DEVELOPED THAT WAY FOR DECADES. UM, THERE'S A SMALL GAP, UM, IN CITY ARCHIVAL RECORD TO DEFINITIVELY ESTABLISH NON-CONFORMING USE RIGHTS. AND SO THE PROPERTY IS ONLY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE. WE CANNOT COMPLETE REHABILITATION ON THE APARTMENTS UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS ZONED CORRECTLY. UM, WE ARE ADDING THE GARAGE, UM, BECAUSE OF, WE HAD ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR IDZ, WHICH WOULD'VE ELIMINATED REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE ADDING THE GARAGE TO SATISFY THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND WE HAVE DONE SO WITH MONTE VISTA TERRACE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT RULES. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? TO MY LEFT? WE'RE SEEING NONE COMMERS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE AGAIN. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO AS AMENDED FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINO HOSA ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER WIT YES. CHAIR BUS. SAMANTHA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. VERY GOOD. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, GET THERE WITHIN SIX MONTHS. IT'S JUST DOWN THE STREET SO IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD. ALRIGHT, UH, Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD ONE. UH, FOR THE REMAINDER, WE WILL NOW TAKE UP OUR SECOND HEARING DOCKET. YEAH. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR 2, 5, 6 OR EIGHT, YOU CAN GO ABOUT AND ENJOY THIS SOMEWHAT CLOUDY DAY. UH, Y'ALL TAKE CARE. ALRIGHT, UH, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND DOCKET, WHICH IS A CONTINUANCE DOCKET TO DECEMBER 2ND, 2025. UH, STAFF, IF YOU COULD READ THOSE ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER NINE AND NUMBER 10. ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED? SEEING NONE. SEEING NONE, UH UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION. DID YOU WANNA LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT? I DID. , HOW DID YOU KNOW? MIND READER, IF YOU COULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. SO WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE AND THEN I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, SPEAKERS AS WELL FOR ITEM NINE. SO DO YOU WANNA HEAR THE VOICEMAIL FIRST OR SPEAKERS? UH, IF ANY OF THE SPEAKERS DID YOU LEAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE? ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THE VOICEMAIL FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SPEAKERS. KEELER, K-E-E-L-E-R. I RESIDE AT 6 8 2 3 QUAIL IN SAN ANTONIO. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS (210) 723-6538. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE Z 2 0 2 5 1 0 7 0 0 2 5 9. THIS IS AN ATTEMPT BY A BUILDER TO REZONE A RESIDENTIAL AREA FROM AN R SIX TO AN R FIVE. UM, I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING. THIS IS AT THE ADDRESS OF 8 8 8 0. HE CIRCLE THE BUILDER'S ATTEMPTED TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY BEFORE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. I OPPOSED IT THEN, UM, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO GO FOR AN R FOUR, I OPPOSE IT NOW EVEN WITH THE R FIVE, THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO PUT IN HIGHER, A HIGHER DENSITY OF HOMES, CREATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC BURDEN ON HEATH CIRCLE AS WELL AS HEATH DRIVE. THE PROPERTY ENTRANCE WILL BE IN FRONT OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH ALREADY HAS A TR TRAFFIC PROBLEM WITH PARENTS DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP KIDS AT THE START AND THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY. HEATH DRIVE BACKS UP AT GRISSOM ROAD AT A STOPLIGHT, SOMETIMES UP TO THREE LIGHT CHANGES TO CYCLE THROUGH TO GET OUT OF THIS AREA. THE PROPERTY ZONE ZONED FOR AN R SIX. UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM BUILDING ON AN R SIX PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT THEY BOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO. UH, I'M OPPOSED TO ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT. NO R FIVE, NO R FOUR. UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIT IN MORE HOUSES AND INCREASE THE TRAFFIC BURDEN ON THE REST OF US. IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUE, WHICH THAT PROPERTY'S RIGHT BEHIND ME. UM, SO I DO OPPOSE ALL OF THIS. AGAIN, MY NAME IS BRIAN KEELER AT 6 8 2 3. CRESTED QUAIL NUMBER 2 1 0 7 2 3 6 5 3 8. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT FOR VOICEMAIL. VERY GOOD. IF WE COULD HAVE THE SPEAKERS PLEASE. MARTA MAL. [00:15:01] HELLO MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES. MY NAME IS MAR MAL. MY FIRST TIME . IT'S ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS MARTA MALDONADO. I RESIDE AT 6 7 0 7 FALLING QUAIL. UM, OKAY. I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE, UH, 2004. MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED THAT HOME FOR US AND OUR TWO CHILDREN. UM, MY CONCERNS ARE JUST LIKE WHAT MR. WHEELER, BRIAN SAID, MY NEIGHBOR. THOSE ARE ALL VALID CONCERNS TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. I WROTE DOWN STUFF HERE, BUT I'M JUST GONNA JUMP AROUND, UM, BECAUSE HE SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY. UM, WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE, I DID MEET THE ORIGINAL OWNER, MR. LIN, WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS KINGSWOOD HEIGHTS. HE OWNED ALL OF THAT PROPERTY FROM FALLING QUAIL, ALL THE QUAIL STREETS. AND, UM, I TOLD HIM, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY WAS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE CITY, BUT YET WE'RE IN THE COUNTRY. AND ALL THOSE YEARS, MY CHILDREN WHO ARE NOW ADULTS IN THEIR THIRTIES, AND WE HAVE WITNESSED NUMEROUS WILDLIFE BEING BORN, UNFORTUNATELY RUN OVERED. HOWEVER, HE JUST SAID THAT HE SOLD HIS PROPERTY ON THOSE OTHER HOUSES JUST TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS UP AND COMING SOME VIBE. BUT I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THIS DEVELOPER TO COME IN. LIKE MR. WHEELER SAID TWO YEARS AGO. UM, WE HAVE SEEN IT FLOOD. YOU HAVE SEEN ON TV THAT HE CIRCLE FLOODS. WE ALSO HAVE DEALT IN THE PAST WITH NAPCO WHO CAN CONTINUES TO DRIVE THEIR 18 WHEELERS THROUGH THERE AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME WITH THE CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL. SO I HAVE HERE SOME PHOTOS FOR YA TO LOOK OVER. THEY GO FROM WHEN I MOVED IN WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING BUT A GREEN BELT, WHICH OUR REALTOR TOLD US THAT ONE POINT SHE CONVINCED US THEY WILL NEVER BILL BEHIND YOU BECAUSE IT'S A GREEN BELT AND A FLOOD. OKAY, SO WHAT DID I KNOW? IT WAS ONLY MY SECOND HOME THAT I BOUGHT, BUT I BELIEVED HER. SO NEVERTHELESS, YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS AND IT WILL HAVE A TIMELINE. ALSO, THIS DEVELOPER HAS, WHEN THEY WENT IN AND DEMOLISHED EVERYTHING, MY HOUSE, ALONG WITH MY NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT IS COVERED IN THE CALICHE DUST, MY WINDOWS, MY VEHICLES, THE ANIMALS WERE GOING EVERYWHERE. MY BRAND NEW DECK IS COVERED IN LAYERS OF DUST AND IT DISCUSSES ME THAT I'M IN THIS DISARRAY ALONG WITH MY NEIGHBORS. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER A HUNDRED OR 200 HOUSES IN THAT AREA. I ALSO INVITE YOU TO COME SIT WITH ME AT ANY TIME IN THE DAY TO SEE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MS. MALDONADO. SINO. MALONA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, UH, SINO MALDONADO. YEAH, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN. THE VOICEMAIL IN MY CONCERN. I LIVED AT, I LIVE AT 67 0 7 FALLING QUA BY THE WAY. UM, WHAT EVERYBODY SAID IN ME, IN ADDITION WITH, UH, THE DEMOLITION, WHEN IT, WHEN IT HAPPENED, IT'S JUST LIKE, UH, LIKE I SAID, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID ON THE VOICEMAIL, WE VOTED AGAINST IT LIKE TWO YEARS AGO AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DIDN'T HEAR NOTHING ABOUT ANOTHER HEARING TO TRY TO REZONE IT. AND LAST TIME NOTHING, THERE WAS NO DEMOLITION THAT HAPPENED. IT JUST, WE CAME HERE AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WAITED TO SEE WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. THIS TIME AROUND, IT'S JUST LIKE WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND THEY'RE JUST DEMOLISHING EVERYTHING. THEY, ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING, THE DUST AND NOISE AND UH, JUST, IT WAS SUDDEN MAYBE LIKE THREE DAYS, ALL THOSE TREES THAT YOU JUST SAW PHOTOS OF, THEY WERE JUST DESTROYED. UM, NOTHING THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, ZONING SIGN. NOW THERE IS, BUT THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON. I MEAN, AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF DISHEARTENING. AND JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN 2004, I MEAN, IT WAS, UH, TRAFFIC WAS FINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AND MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC WAS, IT'S STARTING TO BE MORE CONGESTED. IT'S IN FRONT OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND OVER THE YEARS IT HAS BECOME WORSE. [00:20:01] I WORK AT LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE. I WAS IN THE MIL ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY. NOW I STILL WORK AT LACKLAND AS A CIL CIVILIAN. SO IT, IT TOOK ME LIKE 10 MINUTES TO GET TO WORK BEFORE IN 2004, 10 OR 11. NOW IT TAKES ME LIKE 20, 25 MINUTES. SO BUILDING MORE HOUSES, IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE IT, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE. SO FROM THAT ASPECT, I THINK THEY SHOULD JUST, I, I'M, I OPPOSE IT AND I HOPE, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION ALSO OPPOSES IT AND JUST, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S CREATING A MESS FOR EVERYBODY THAT LIVES ALONG THAT GREEN BELT. AND, UH, NOT SURE IF HOW THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT TO CLEAN IT, YOU KNOW, AIR FILTERS, WE'RE CHANGING AIR FILTERS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE, WE COULD BREATHE IT, WE COULD SMELL IT, YOU CAN SEE IT. AND IT'S JUST NOT A, IT'S, UM, THEY ALSO, THE BUILDERS DIDN'T TAKE ANY PRECAUTIONS WORRYING ABOUT THE CITIZENS THERE IN THE COMMUNITY, SO THAT'S KIND OF UPSETTING TOO. SO, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA VOICE MY OPPOSITION ON THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MALDONADO. MIRANDA MALDONA. HELLO, MY NAME IS MIRANDA MALDONADO. I LIVE AT 6 7 0 7 FOLLOWING QUO. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY THAT I'M ALSO OPPOSED TO WHAT IS HAPPENING, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ FROM MY PHONE, MY NOTES, UM, AND WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN. BUT ON JULY 17TH, 2025 IS WHEN I WOKE UP IN THE MORNING AND INSTANTLY HEARD THE NOISE OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND HEAVY MACHINERY THAT BEGAN RIPPING TREES UP OUT OF THE GROUND. UM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT WAS COMPLETE CHAOS. JUST LIKE I SAID. AND PEOPLE HAVE SAID BEFORE, IF YOU LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE TONS OF ANIMALS. YES, THEY'RE JUST MAYBE DEAR TO SOME PEOPLE. BUT FOR ME, I'VE GROWN UP HERE. IT'S A GREEN BELT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS. UM, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO SEE MANY WILDLIFE, MUCH OF WHICH IS PROTECTED IN THAT AREA AND IN TEXAS. UM, SOME OF WHICH COULD BE THE HORNED LIZARDS, UH, MIGRATORY BIRDS, UM, MONARCH BUTTERFLIES THAT ALL USE THAT GREEN BELT, UM, AS A HAVEN FOR THEIR HABITAT. AND AGAIN, THOSE DEER. UM, JULY IS MID-SEASON FOR, UM, THE BIRTH SEASON OF THOSE FAWNS. AND AGAIN, THAT IS A PLACE THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR HABITAT. UM, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OR THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FULFILLED THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO PROTECT, UM, THAT WILDLIFE AND FOLLOW ANY APPROPRIATE MEASURES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NO PERMIT, UM, AND FOR CLEARING THAT HABITAT AND THERE WAS JUST NO EFFORT TO MAYBE RE RELOCATE OR ASSESS WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS COULD TAKE PLACE. UM, I JUST WANNA ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TODAY. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT BY THE CITY TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER PROPER PERMITS WERE, UM, COMPLETED OR REVIEWED AND HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LAWS OR PROTOCOLS THAT WERE IGNORED TO ENSURE THAT HABITAT RESTORATION AND MITIGATION WERE POSSIBLE. AND JUST ESTABLISH A CLEAR LINE OF COMMUNICATION. UM, LIKE WE SAID, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T UNDO THAT DAMAGE. IT'S ALL BEEN RIPPED UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE SEE SOMETHING DONE, UM, TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT THAT AREA THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS. AND ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT EVERYONE SAID, I AM OPPOSED TO THIS MOVEMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. MALONA. UH, CHAIR? YES. UH, JUST TO, BASED ON THAT LAST COMMENT, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE PROCESS? WHAT, UM, I I'M GONNA REFER HER TO STAFF AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. UH, THANK YOU SIR. SO, SAMANTHA BALL'S GONNA BE IN YOUR COURT, BUT I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IS ANN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. OH, WELL GOOD NEWS THEN. I WAS ON TIME. UH, SAMANTHA BENAVIDEZ IS THE CASEWORKER FOR THIS. SHE CAN, YOU CAN CONTACT HER, HER NUMBER'S ON THE AGENDA, UH, THAT WAS PUBLICLY POSTED, HER EMAIL'S ON THAT AGENDA. UH, BUT SHE'S ALSO RIGHT HERE. UM, SO YOU CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT SOME OF THAT AND GET SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT WAY. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. ALRIGHT. VERY WELL, UM, IS THERE, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. MOVE TO CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ITEMS NUMBER NINE AND 10 TO THE, UH, DECEMBER 2ND HEARING. IS THAT, IS THERE A SECOND? ONE SECOND. YOU KNOW WHAT ITEMS? FOUR AND 10, NO. NINE AND TEN FOUR IS NOW AN INDIVIDUAL. SO IT IS, UH, ITEMS NINE AND 10. THERE'S A MOTION TO CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS TILL DECEMBER 2ND BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINO HOSA. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE COMMERS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER [00:25:01] NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER EF? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. A. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. CHAIR BUS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, SO THAT ITEM OR THOSE TWO ITEMS RATHER ARE NOW CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 2ND, UH, THERE IS THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE AS WELL. MS. PUGH OVER THERE. UH, AND, UH, MS. BENAVIDES OVER HERE THAT CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. UH, MALANO, UH, IF YOU CAN MAKE IT BACK ON DECEMBER 12TH. SECOND RATHER, WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU, UH, IF YOU CAN'T, WE HAVE HEARD YOU AND, AND HEARD YOUR OPINIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING DOCKET. WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. BROUGHT TO FRAME ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS LOCATED AT 1514 RIGSBY AVENUE, GOING FROM R FOUR TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. ALL OVERLAYS TERM REMAIN THE SAME. 38 NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED OUTSIDE 200 FEET, ONE IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. STAFF DOES FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE EXISTING R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THEIR PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL BLOCK AND INTRODUCED, WILL INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE RESIDENCES. THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WOULD FURTHER PERMIT AN INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THE BLOCK, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO COMMONLY USED LAND USE PRINCIPLES. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AS THE CASE MAY BE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ELIZABETH RUSSELL, LAW OFFICE OF ELIZABETH ANN RUSSELL, PLLC 1 0 1 S, STONEBERG, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. UM, AND SO ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REFLECTED, THERE ACTUALLY IS A LOT MORE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAN, UM, I GUESS THE STAFF RECEIVED. SO BETWEEN MY CLIENT AND I, WE RECEIVED NINE ADDITIONAL, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE IN SUPPORT. I'LL SAY NINE PROPERTIES. THERE'S ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS SEVERAL LOTS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, I MAY HAVE THE . THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE. I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE. AND, UM, WE RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT, AS WELL AS THESE NEIGHBORS OVER HERE. THESE NEIGHBORS DOWN HERE, EV BASICALLY ANYONE THAT'S NOT LABELED, WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LABELED. UM, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF VACANT LOTS IN THIS AREA, ALTHOUGH, UM, IT WAS REFERENCED AS AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY. IT'S REALLY NOT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, MOST OF THESE ARE VACANT LOTS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENCES IN THIS AREA AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UM, MY CLIENTS HAVE OWNED THIS LOT FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND ARE REQUESTING THE ABILITY TO DO USED AUTO SALES ON THE LOT. UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FOUR, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL AND, UM, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY OWNERS IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT. UM, AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF THAT ARE BOTH ON BOARD WITH IT. UM, MY CLIENT HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL SUPPORTED HIM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE REQUEST. AND I CAN PASS THESE ALONG. WE DIDN'T GET THEM BACK UNTIL TODAY. AND SO WE MISSED THE CUTOFF OF THE 4:00 PM YESTERDAY. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS MY CLIENT'S WIFE AND IS NOT A PROPERTY OWNER OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE AREA, BUT THEY'RE FRONT AND BACK. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. [00:30:02] THANK YOU MS. RUSSELL, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. ALRIGHT, WELL MS. RUSSELL, THAT MEANS YOU DON'T GET A REBUTTAL, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA STAND UP HERE IN CASE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. SO TO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA FOR QUESTIONS. UH, YES. MR. RUSSELL, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, DOES YOUR, DOES YOUR CLIENT, DOES HE OWN OTHER AUTOMOTIVE? UH, HE DOES. I DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY ADDRESS OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER USED AUTO, UM, USED AUTO LOT IN DISTRICT FOUR. AND YOUR OUTREACH WAS, UH, WAS IT YOURSELF OR WAS IT SOMEBODY ELSE? IT WAS BOTH OF US. WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR. UM, HE, HE GOT SOME FEEDBACK AND THEN I WAS MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND OF POSTING THE NOTICE ON THE VACANT PROPERTIES, UM, AND THEN FIELDING ANY COMMENTARY. UM, BUT MOST OF THIS ACTUALLY WAS DONE BY HIM AND THROUGH HIS CONTACTS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I LIKE THAT. I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE MET. YES, THERE'S NO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. I, I, I REALLY DO LIKE THIS AND IT DOES SIT IN THE SUNNY SLOPE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT ACTIVE AND THERE'S NO CURRENT BOARD ON THERE. UM, I I, I DID TALK TO HIGHLAND PARK LAST NIGHT AND THEN, UH, HIGHLAND HILLS, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S SURROUNDING THE AREA. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR, FOR QUESTIONING. THANK YOU. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS, BUT AGAIN, IT IS COMMERCIAL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. RUSSELL. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. QUESTIONS, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A EX, IT SAYS EXISTING METAL BUILDING. WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS USE ON THAT LOT? MY CLIENTS HAVE OWNED IT FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS. WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT I THINK IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL STORAGE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. ALRIGHT, THANKS. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER VAL, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UH, THE FIRST STAFF REPORT REFERS TO A BUILDING WITHOUT PERMIT. SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF THAT? A BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT? RIGHT. STAFF. I, I PRESUME IT'S THIS METAL BUILDING. I, IT WASN'T HAD, MY CLIENTS DID NOT BUILD ANYTHING WITHOUT A PERMIT, SO I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH ANYTHING. I THINK IT WAS ALREADY EXISTING AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. MAYBE A STAFF COULD COMMENT ON THAT. CLARIFY IT FOR US. GIVE THIS JUST A MINUTE WHILE WE'RE, UH, WAITING ON THAT. UM, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SUPPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED? BLACK. COULD WE GO THROUGH THEM AND IDENTIFY WHICH OF THEM ARE VACANT LANDOWNERS AND WHICH OF THEM ARE, UH, OWNERS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES ON THE, UH, IN THE SUBDIVISION? CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL THE MAP BACK UP? NOT THIS ONE. NO. THE ONE THAT HAS THE NOTES ON IT. YES. OH, THANK YOU. SORRY. SO YOU'RE ASKING WHICH ONES HAVE A BUILDING ON THEM? NO, NO. SO OF THE UH, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SUPPORT THAT YOU SHARED WITH US. YES. SOME I WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, READ IT ON THE MAP AND SEE WHICH OF THOSE PUBLIC SUPPORT WERE FROM OWNERS OF VACANT LOTS. AND WHICH OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORT WERE OWNERS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ON, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NAME OF THE STREET THAT IS, BUT, BUT IT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. SO IT'S, UM, A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE SOME OF THEM EV SOME OF THE SUPPORT ARE VACANT LOTS, BUT THERE'S NO HOUSE ON THEM. ANYTHING NOT LABELED. SO THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE WE ALL HAVE SUPPORT FROM. ALRIGHT, MS. FROST, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TAKE THOSE INDIVIDUALLY BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US THERE? THOSE, UH, YEAH, WELL I THINK LEAVE THAT MAP. I DIDN'T MATCH. OKAY. I DIDN'T MATCH, SO, SO I JUST, CAN WE DO IT? I JUST WENT THROUGH, SORRY. STOP. IF YOU WOULD JUST GRAB OKAY. KEEP THE MAP THERE. OKAY. UH, TAKE THOSE AND JUST SAY, IF YOU COULD USE THE POINTER, UH, TO COORDINATE, SAY, NAME, ADDRESS, AND THEN POINT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COORDINATE. OKAY. FROM THIS TO DIRECTLY TO THE MAP. IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO DO A RESET IN ORDER TO DO THAT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I GOT THESE EARLY THIS MORNING AND I JUST QUICKLY PUT TOGETHER THE MAP. WELL, I THINK I SAW 1517 CATON, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. 1517 IS DEFINITELY ON HERE. RIGHT. BUT I COULDN'T RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF, GIMME ONE SECOND. LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE I, YEAH, BEFORE I SAY THAT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK, I THOUGHT I SAW IT, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. I DON'T THINK SO. OH, SO WE'LL START WITH 1533 AND 1537 RIGHT HERE. ALRIGHT. AND THOSE LOOK LIKE THOSE LOOK LIKE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE ARE THE, THE RESIDENCES. YES. AND THEN WE HAVE 1531, WHICH IS THIS LITTLE [00:35:01] SLIVER RIGHT HERE. PRESUMABLY NOTHING'S THERE. . YES. NOTHING IS THERE. THEN WE HAVE 1511, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS CATTY CORNER TO THE REQUEST. WE HAVE 1520, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THERE, RIGHT THERE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 15, WELL I WON'T SKIP AROUND 15, 24 THEN 1508 RIGSBY, WHICH IS THIS ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT. 15, 20. YEP. AND THEN 1529, WHICH IS THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE SIX RESIDENCES OR AT LEAST RESIDENTIAL LOTS. RESIDE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. I AM NOT SUPER CLEAR ON WHICH ONE OF THESE DO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ANY TYPE OF HOME ON THEM. YEP. I, I LOOKED ON UH, GOOGLE MAPS BEFORE THE HEARING AND IT LOOKED LIKE MOST OF THE HOUSING WAS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, OFF OF ISRAEL. RIGHT. SO MOST OF THE HOUSING WAS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK MOST OF THOSE I THINK WOULD WELL, BUT THESE, THESE LOTS ARE FOR SURE VACANT. THIS ONE ON THE CORNER'S VACANT. THIS ONE I LIKE TWO LOTS TO THE LEFT ARE VACANT, SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE VACANT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT'S DEFINITELY A UP AND COMING NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT FULLY DEVELOPED YET. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND STAFF HAVE, WERE WE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THE, THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT OR BUILDING WITHOUT A PERMIT PENDING RESOLUTION? IT LOOKS LIKE A FENCE WAS BUILT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REFERRING TO THE, NOT A STRUCTURE, JUST THE FENCE, WHICH DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER TSET. UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE EARLY ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, THIS WAS HIS OWN COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT UNTIL 2009, WHEN THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A BIG REZONING OF THE AREA AND THEY CHANGED IT TO R FOUR. I'M JUST LOOKING AT Y'ALL'S PROPERTY DETAILS HERE. UH, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S C3, IS THERE ANYTHING OVER THERE OR IS IT JUST, IT JUST ZONED C3 WITH NO DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER. THE C3 NO DEVELOP. THERE IS A FENCE AROUND IT, BUT NOTHING ELSE. BUT YES, THIS WAS HISTORICALLY COMMERCIAL FOR A LONG TIME AND SO LOOKING AT IT ALSO ACROSS THE STREET, THE LARGER L SECTION IS PART OF A LARGE, UH, TRANSPORTATION BASE, WHICH IS FAIR. IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE LOT. UM, WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF ACRES HERE. AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IS ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. JUST IT LOOKS TO BE A GOOD A HUNDRED, MAYBE 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD. I I THOUGHT IT WAS A SCHOOL BUS. LIKE A-S-A-A-I-D? YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. S-A-I-D-I-S-D. CORRECT. TRANSPORTATION BASE. SO, YEP. SCHOOL, BUS, PARKING. UH, QUICK QUESTION. SO HE'S GONNA USE THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S THERE FOR THE CAR SALES. IS HE GONNA DO REPAIR AND OTHER THINGS OR JUST TO USE CAR WASH ONLY REPAIR FOR THE VEHICLES BEING SOLD, SO NO, NO, JUST GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUT REPAIR FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING SOLD, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE THEN AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FULL SERVICE. I DON'T THINK IT DOES. IF HE'S ONLY, HE'S NOT DOING A FULL SERVICE REPAIR. I, AND I THINK, BUT ANY KIND OF WORK ON THE CARS WOULD REQUIRE THE, UM, CONSTRUCT OR THE WORK. I MEANT C TWO YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO LIKE LUBE OR, UM, TIRE SERVICE. BUT ANY KIND OF MECHANICAL WORK, EVEN IF IT'S THEIR CARS OR OTHER CARS, I MEANT THE FULL SERVICE AGAIN, IS BASICALLY FOR THEIR INVENTORY. THEN LET, LET ME CLARIFY. HE'S ONLY GOING TO MAKE CARS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A MECHANIC THERE. THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEONE MAKING SURE THAT THE CAR CAN DRIVE BECAUSE IT'S, THE TIRES ARE FULL OF AIR AND THE OIL HAS BEEN CHANGED. SO THE SAME AS LIKE A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT ONLY SELLS CARS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A REPAIR SHOP. SO AGAIN, THAT COULD MOST LIKELY ALIGN. UM, YEAH, WITH THE OIL, OIL, LUBE AND ALL THAT, THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN A C TWO. SO THEY DON'T NEED THE CD. THAT IS CORRECT. THEY WON'T NEED THE FULL SERVICE. THEY WON'T BE DOING A MECHANICAL WORK TO LUBE AND OIL, LUBE AND TIRES. JUST AS LONG AS IT'S THE LOW KEY LUBE TIRES, GAS OR I'M SORRY, OIL CHANGE. OIL CHANGE, THAT KIND OF ITEM. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? NO RIGHT QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AGAIN, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION CHAIR. UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, HA HAS MR. RUSSELL, I'M SORRY, HAS YOUR, UH, HAS THE APPLICANT DISCUSSED OR TALKED TO YOU ABOUT, UH, LIGHTING, UH, FENCING? I MEAN, HOW IS THAT GONNA [00:40:01] BE WORKED OUT? UM, HE'S OPEN TO FENCING IDEAS. HE JUST WANTS IT TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH HIS AND APPROVED BY HIS NEIGHBORS. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT HE HAD ANY POTENTIAL PLANS FOR FENCING, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED, HE'S ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO THAT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, UM, I THINK THERE'S LIGHTING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES THAT'LL BE NECESSARY, BUT I DON'T THINK, UM, LIKE 24 HOUR FLOODLIGHTS WOULD BE NECESSARY. I, I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE, UM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO HAVE PEN AND LITTLE FLY GUYS THAT ARE KIND OF FLYING IN THE AIR PROMOTE THAT. UM, SO DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT. AS FAR AS THAT A CONDITIONAL YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD THE CONDITION AND I JUST WANTED TO ALSO STATE, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S A BUDDING SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES, THEY WOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED TO PUT A SIX FOOT SOLID FENCE. OKAY. UM, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, I LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS BECAUSE I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE. I DID GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. IT WAS KIND OF SPLIT ON, ON BOTH ENDS. I MEAN, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT BUTTS THE, THE RESIDENTIAL RIGSBY'S A A PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD ROLLERCOASTER OF A, OF A RIDE. A SON OF A DAD WHO WAS VERY CHEAP. HE USED TO TAKE US OUT TO RIGSBY VALLEY IF WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO GO TO SIX BIKES. UH, BUT, UM, , SORRY, POINT OF PRIVILEGE HERE I GUESS. BUT ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS FOR, FOR TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. UH, THE LIGHTING, I MEAN DOWNWARD LIGHTING, THE LITTLE FLAGGINGS, YOU KNOW, KNOW WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT STUFF JUST TO KIND OF HAVE THE, IS IT CALLED MONUMENT SIGN? I MEAN, JUST KIND OF A, AN INITIAL SIGN ON THERE. UH, BUT FOR TWO WEEKS I, MY MOTION CHAIR WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, FOR TWO WEEKS. THERE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR TWO WEEKS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. BY COMMISSIONER DOVE. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, MOTION IS FOR, MOTION IS TO CONTINUE. ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR TWO WEEKS TO DECEMBER 2ND, 2025 BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ELL, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PIE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER UP? YES. CHAIR VICE ANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. MS. RUSSELL. IS THAT ON THE DECEMBER 1ST? SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. WE GOOD AFTERNOON. BRONTE FRE ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS LOCATED AT 28 30 RIGSBY AVENUE. GOING FROM C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE FOR A CAR WASH TO IDZ TWO USE IS PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE AND MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. FULL SERVICE ALL OVER OTHER OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. NINE NOTICES WERE SENT ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO POST AND THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. THE EXISTING C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR CAR WASH IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THEIR PROPOSED IDZ TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY AND FIELD DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE AND MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. FULL SERVICE IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PART OF THE RECENTLY ADOPTED SOUTHEAST COMMUNITY AREA PLAN WHERE STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTS DESIGNATED THE AREA FOR LOWER INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES TO BETTER SERVICE THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENCES WITHIN PROXIMITY AND PREVENT ADDITIONAL HIGHER INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MATTHEW GILBERT WITH ORTIZ MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN, UH, BATTLING A LITTLE BIT OF A COLD. SO HOPE YOU GUYS ARE PATIENT. UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 28 30, UH, RIGSBY AVENUE. UH, IT'S APPRO APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN SIZE AND LOCATED JUST WEST OF WW WHITE. UH, THE PROPERTY HAS EXISTING ACCESS ONTO RIGSBY AVENUE AND, UH, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY VARIOUS INDUSTRIAL USES AND VACANT PROPERTIES, UH, INCLUDING, UH, A TOW YARD, UH, THE CITY'S BULKY WASTE COLLECTION CENTER, AN ABANDONED PAWN SHOP, AND A LARGE ANIMAL VET. [00:45:03] UH, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A REZONING FROM C TWO S WITH A SUP FOR A CAR WASH, UH, TO IDZ. TWO USES PERMITTED IN C TWO, UM, ALONG WITH OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE AND MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. UH, FULL SERVICE. UH, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION, UH, REVIEWED THIS INITIAL REQUEST, UH, WHEN IT WAS A C3 AND, UH, WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CONTINUED. UH, THE APPLICANT ENGAGED OUR LAW FIRM. WE WERE ABLE TO AMEND DOWN, UH, THE REQUEST TO, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT IDZ TWO, UH, ZONE. UM, HERE'S JUST AN EXPANDED, UH, ZONING MAP SHOWING, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, EXCUSE ME, SHOWING THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, ALONG THIS SECTION OF, UH, RIGSBY AVENUE. UM, AS WITH ANY IDZ REQUEST, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED, UH, TO SUBMIT A IDZ SITE PLAN, WHICH IS HERE BEFORE YOU. UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, EXISTING ACCESS ONTO, UH, RIGSBY. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A PERIMETER FENCE. UM, AND THERE'S UH, MORE THAN SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR PARKING FOR THESE USES. UM, HERE'S A 3D RENDERING, UH, FROM STREET VIEW, UH, SHOWING, UM, THE PROPOSED RENOVATION OF THE, UH, EXISTING CAR WASH, UH, FOR THAT OFFICE. UH, UH, WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE USE, AND, UH, JUST ANOTHER AERIAL OF, UH, UH, RENDERING. SO NICE AND QUICK. IN SUMMARY, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING A REZONING TO IDZ TWO WITH USES IN C TWO OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE AND, UH, THE MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, SALES FULL SERVICE. UH, THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, IN LINE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA. AND, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, OPPOSITION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I'M MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GILBERT. ALRIGHT, PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. AGAIN, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. WHY IS STAFF AGAINST US AGAIN? UM, THE BIGGEST ITEM IS BASICALLY DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE LINE. THE, UM, SORRY. THE PLAN, UH, IT WAS A RECENTLY OR ADOPTED PLAN FROM DECEMBER 20 THOU OR 2022. AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE THIS AREA AS UM, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. AND SO BASICALLY THAT PERMITS MORE OF A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND LOW INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES. AND SO STAFF IS TRYING TO, AND AGAIN, WITH THESE PLANS, IT IS A COMMUNITY EFFORT AND SO WE WERE UNDER THE GUISE THAT THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. I, I GET THAT THERE ARE HEAVIER IN UH, COMMERCIAL USES, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING ALIGNED WITH WHAT THE PLAN IS STATING AND THAT WAS BASICALLY WHAT OUR DECISION WAS MADE FROM. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO MORE QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH COMMISSIONER SESS THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER LO'S UP TO YOU FIRST. YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE REPRESENTATIVE, I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS WERE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AT ALL. I KNOW THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT DID YOU GUYS ENGAGE AT THAT TIME? UH, NO. THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT. I BELIEVE THAT HE'S PURCHASED THE PROPERTY SUBSEQUENT TO THAT UH, PLANNED AMENDMENT. YES. AND THEN A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN PASSED AND IT OPTED, GIVEN THAT THE REST OF THE AREA IS PRETTY NOT, UM, NEIGHBOR MIXED USE AS WAS JUST DESCRIBED, ARE THERE OTHER, UM, LIKE INCENTIVES OR PROGRAMS THAT ARE HELPING CREATE THE, THE DESIRED KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FOR THAT AREA? LIKE ASIDE FROM JUST REZONINGS, IF THE CURRENT USE IS SO FAR FROM THE DESIRED USE, JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S LIKE PROGRAMS OR ANY KIND OF EFFORTS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN ASIDE FROM JUST INDIVIDUAL REZONINGS? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO THE CURRENT, I KNOW THERE IS DENIAL OF OR RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED USE AND ALSO THAT THE CURRENT USE IS NOT RECOMMENDED. IS THERE A RECOMMENDED USE FOR THAT LOT FROM STAFF? HONESTLY, AGAIN, UM, WELL NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE DOES PERMIT UP TO C ONE USES SHOW OF A C ONE NATURE, WHICH IS AGAIN LIKE COMMERCIAL AND IT'S BASICALLY MEANT FOR SMALLER, LOW KEY SERVICES THAT CAN HELP, UM, SERVICE THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE WITHIN PROXIMITY. SO. OKAY. THANK [00:50:01] YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER ELL TO YOU. SO THE, UM, THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY CONTINUED FOR TWO WEEKS. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT MEET IN THAT TIME OR DID THEY? THAT IS CORRECT. THEY HAVE NOT MET IT. IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW. SO IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT IN, IN MOST MONTHS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS TWICE A MONTH? IS THAT, IS THAT NORMALLY THE CASE? CORRECT. BUT JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THE SCHEDULING HAPPENED, THE TOMORROW'S MEETING IS THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE COULD GET THIS ON. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU, THE ESSAY TOMORROW O SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE CITY? UH, CORRECT. WE KIND OF CALL THOSE THE NEWER PLANS. UM, OVER THE TIME SINCE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S BEEN, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PLANS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT THEY WEREN'T ALL CONSISTENT. AND SO IN 20 18, 20 19 THEY CREATED THE ESSAY TOMORROW, WHICH IS BASICALLY WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE ENTIRE CITY IS UNDER A SIMILAR SETUP WITH SAME LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT KIND OF BRIEF, THAT KIND OF DIRECT ZONING, UM, WHAT, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD BE BETTER ALIGNED WITH THOSE LAND USE PRINCIPLES. SO IT'S, IT'S A LONG AND ARDUOUS PROCESS. SO, BUT AGAIN, ANYTHING FROM 2019 TO NOW IS GONNA BE UNDER THAT ESSAY TOMORROW, UH, SYSTEM. AND I, I KNOW THAT SOME AREAS OF THE CITY HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD A PLAN ADOPTED, BUT THIS AREA HAS HAD A PLAN ADOPTED. THAT IS CORRECT. SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA, CAN YOU LIKE GIVE MORE, GIVE MORE UH, EXPLANATION OF LIKE HOW GRANULAR DID, DID THE PROCESS GET AT LOOKING AT THESE BLOCKS AND DECIDING WHAT KIND OF USES THEY WANTED TO PREVAIL IN THESE, IN THESE AREAS? LIKE IS IT MORE, UH, REGIONAL OR DO THEY LOOK YOU KNOW, LOT BY LOT AND SAY YEAH, SO THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE AS APPLIED IS APPLIED LOT BY LOT. UM, NOW I'M NOT GOING TO COM SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THE ENTITY THAT MEETS WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY. SO WE, WE WEREN'T EXACTLY A PART OF THAT PROCESS. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THEY AREN'T HOLDING MEETINGS ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL PARCEL IN THE ENTIRE AREA. BUT LAND USE WAS CONTEMPLATED AND APPLIED ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS. UM, AGAIN, TO KELLY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLANS IN THE CITY THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE MID NINETIES. WE ARE GENERALLY PRETTY RECEPTIVE TO IDEAS OR PROPOSALS TO AMEND THOSE PLANS. YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT WAS 30, 35 YEARS AGO. BUT A PLAN THAT WAS SO RECENTLY ADOPTED WITH ALL THAT COMMUNITY INPUT WERE QUITE A BIT MORE HESITANT TO ALTER THE PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY THE REASON FOR STAFF'S DENIAL TODAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO THAT, THOSE PLANS, WHEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES MOVE THEM FORWARD, THEY ARE USUALLY A YEAR TO TWO YEARS OF A PROCESS. USUALLY IT'S TWO YEARS, BUT YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO GET A PLAN FROM CONCEPT OF, OKAY, HERE'S THE AREA WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THROUGH ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THROUGH MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS UP TO CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. SO THOSE ARE VERY MUCH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT BROAD AREAS AND TAKING A LOT OF STUFF INTO CONSIDERATION. I I, I SUPPOSE THE LAST QUESTION FOR ME ON THAT, UM, CAME TO MIND WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ARE THE INDIVIDUAL PROP INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALL NOTICED THAT THEIR AREAS SUBJECT TO A, YOU KNOW, TO THE, THE, THE PLAN AMENDMENT. YES. UH, BY LAW ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NEED TO BE NOTIFIED PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION RELATED TO THAT. AND ALSO JUST TO BE SUPER TECHNICAL, TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT KELLY WAS SAYING EARLIER, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ACTUALLY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLANS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS ALSO A COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THESE LAND USE PLANS ARE A COMPONENT. SO WE KIND OF SHORTHAND SAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN WE'RE REFERRING MAINLY TO THE WORK THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES AND THE SA TOMORROW PLAN. BUT JUST TO BE SUPER TECHNICAL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE CITY IS ACTUALLY A LOT MORE THAN JUST THOSE PLANS. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. ALRIGHT, I WILL SAVE A POSSIBLE REPETITION OF PART OF THAT EXPLANATION, BUT, ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DOLE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT? YES. OH COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S IT? COMMISSIONER LOPS YOU'RE GONNA BE LAST THIS TIME. , I GUESS I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. IT SAYS STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. UH, WHAT I'M SEEING IS I ONE C TWO, [00:55:01] C TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS STAFFS FOUND INDICATION OF ADVERSE EFFECTS ON PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ADVERSE EFFECTS MIGHT BE? WELL, YES ON THE EXTRE, THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES, BUT IF YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, THOSE ARE RE WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL ESTATE. SO THOSE ARE LARGER LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND SO THAT IS ALSO WHAT WE WERE TAKING INTO A EFFECT WHEN WE'D MADE THIS DECISION. SO IT'S CONFLICTING MORE WITH KIND OF VISION VERSUS MARKET REALITY IS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WELL AGAIN, DEFINITELY WITH VISION, BUT AGAIN WE DID SEE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITHIN PROXIMITY. OKAY. , I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE DONE YET. YEAH, I WASN'T SURE EITHER. OKAY. I GET TO SAY IT'S HIS TURN. ALSO, ALSO, I LIED 'CAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU'RE NOT QUITE LAST SO I GET TO GO NOW? YOU GET TO GO NOW. OKAY, WELL I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WHEN YOU SAID SO I GET TO TELL HIM WHEN IT'S HIS TURN. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY, OKAY, COMMISSIONER SIPES YOU CAN. ALRIGHT. UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THAT'S REGARDING THE IDZ TWO DESIGNATION AND THE SITE PLAN. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, WAIT YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SORRY. UM, SO WHERE ON ON, ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE IT, IT DESIGNATES UM, THE OFFICE FLEX SPACE? SO THE OFFICE FLEX SPACE WOULD BE LOCKED INTO THAT LOCATION? IT WOULD NOT, I MEAN, WHEREAS THE, UH, THE I GUESS AUTO SALES OR THE PARKING WOULD BE BEHIND IT OR, OR TYPICALLY WITH AN IDZ YES, THE PLACEMENT. BUT TO BE FAIR, UM, A MINOR SITE PLAN, WHICH CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, SORRY, LET ME BACKTRACK. SO WE HAVE MINOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS VERSUS MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS. UM, A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT IF YOU WANTED TO INCREASE ANY OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS OR INCREASE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OR MAYBE EVEN MAKE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINES, UM, ENCROACHING THE DEFINED, UH, SETBACKS ON HERE. THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS BASICALLY A GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS AGAIN NOW JUST MOVING SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES AROUND AS LONG AS THEY ARE STAYING WITHIN THESE CONSTRAINTS, IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DONE AS A MINOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH COULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND NOT NEED THIS PUBLIC, UH, ASSESS. I I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH THAT THE SITE PLAN, UH, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT LAST NOTE SAYS THAT ALL REQUESTED LAND USES SHALL BE PERMITTED ANYWHERE ON THE ENTIRE SITE. SO THAT'S BAKED INTO THE REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I DID NOT SEE THAT FINE PRINT. I NEED TO LOOK CLOSER. ALRIGHT. UM, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, SO AGAIN, YOU MADE A LIAR OUT OF ME 'CAUSE YOU ASKED MY QUESTION. SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL DO ONE MORE ROUND OF QUESTIONS, UH, GOING TO THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THE, UH, TEXAS TOWING, UH, WHEN WAS THAT REZONED? JUST CURIOUS. WAS THAT AFTER THE, UH, 2021? SO IT WAS BEFORE THE, THE NEW PLAN. OKAY. AND I KNOW IDZ REQUIRES A SITE PLAN THAT HELPS IN THE FUTURE PROPERTY, RIGHT? IF IT'S SOLD, IT WOULD'VE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SITE PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IF ANY DE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WITH IDZ, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS SITE PLAN. AND THEN, UM, WHILE I WAIT FOR MY STATEMENT TO THE END, THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER LAWS, I THINK THIS WAS STATED, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER. WAS THERE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR THIS OR AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? UH, NO MA'AM. THERE IS NOT AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, WE'RE SURROUNDED FOR THE MOST PART BY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, JUST REAL QUICK. I I, UH, I WILL BE, I CAN'T BE SUSTAINED. I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS. I HAVEN'T SAID WHAT I WAS GONNA DO, BUT, UH, I THINK THIS AREA NEEDS REVITALIZATION. THIS IS A, UH, UH, A CAR WASH THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE. A LOT OF HOMELESS, UH, WERE IN THAT AREA. I DID SEE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, WORK HE DID AT, ON JOAN MCMULLEN, UH, WHICH HE CONVERTED A CAR WASH, UH, INTO ALL THE SPACE AND IT, IT, IT, UH, REALLY DID DISPLACE THE HOMELESS IN THAT AREA. [01:00:01] UH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE GREAT. I MEAN THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S UH, UH, STANCE ON THIS, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ IS THE SECOND. ALRIGHT, FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER BEL. UH, SO I, I'D ALREADY EXPRESSED TO THE, THE COMMISSION DURING WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN ABOUT TAKING ITEMS AT ZONING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS OPINED ON PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENTS. UM, I DON'T NEED TO REHASH THAT. UM, BUT HERE WE ALREADY CONTINUED THE ITEM ONCE AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'D BE PROPER TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, BE CONTINUING AN ITEM. UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T MEET IN THE INTERIM BETWEEN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING AND THIS MEETING. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE CALENDAR. UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I MEAN I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE ITEM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MY HOPE IS IN THE FUTURE WE CAN AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE, UM, REVIEWING CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OPINED AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE CHANGED OR NOT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BEL. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER LOAF? NO, WE'RE GONNA GO COMMISSIONER SIPES FIRST. ALRIGHT. UM, I'LL BE THE FIRST COMMISSIONER TO SAY IT THIS, THIS, THIS WEEK. UH, THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. UM, I I, I SEE THE ADVANTAGES OF, UM, REHABBING THE CAR WASH INTO A, A OFFICE FLEX SPACE. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. UM, THE, THE, AND UM, BUT I ALSO SEE THE, THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT, THAT THE WHOLE SITE COULD BE USED AS, AS AUTO SALES WITH FULL SERVICE. UM, AND, AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE I THINK I AM GOING TO DEFER TO THE BETTER JUDGMENT OF THE COMMISSIONER. SO I A DIFFICULT CASE, BUT I THINK I WILL BE ENDING UP SUPPORTING IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. COMMISSIONER LO UP TO YOU. UM, I AM GONNA BE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. I THINK I JUST WANNA STATE, I GUESS THESE COMMUNITY PLANS AS WE JUST SAW A BIG LARGE AREA REZONING, WHICH I KNOW IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT THESE PLANS GO THROUGH YEARS, MONTHS, MANY, MANY MEETINGS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT EXISTING USES DIRECTLY SURROUNDING DO MATCH SOMEWHAT DECENTLY WITH THE PROPOSED REZONE. THAT BEING SAID, THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR ME HOLDS A LOT OF WEIGHT AND I THINK THE EFFORT TO START CHANGING AN AREA STARTS LOT BY LOT, PARCEL BY PARCEL. AND IF THE COMMUNITY IS KIND OF LOUD AND CLEAR, SAID THEIR INTENDED DESIRED USE IS, IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHICH IS NOT THIS, I WANNA HONOR THAT. SO I'M GONNA BE OPPOSING TODAY, UM, IN RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AND, AND I REALIZE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THIS LOT BECOMES, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING LOTS, WHICH ISN'T QUITE WHAT WE GO FOR AT ZONING COMMISSION. BUT I DO THINK YOU START TO CHANGE AN AREA WITH ONE LOT AND THERE HAS BEEN A PRETTY EXPLICIT EXPRESS DESIRE FOR THAT. SO JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS WHY I'M GONNA BE VOTING AGAINST THIS TODAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LOAF. UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER LOAF, I AGREE THAT COMMUNITY PLANS, UM, SHOULD BE GIVEN GREAT WEIGHT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE CLOSER IN TIME TO WHERE WE ARE NOW AS OPPOSED TO THOSE THAT, UH, ARE QUITE OLD. UM, IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, I FIND MYSELF IN GREATER AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES. UH, I THINK THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. I THINK THE RESERVATION TO ALLOW ALL OF THE USES ON ALL OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IS A LITTLE BROADER THAN I WOULD LIKE GENERALLY. UM, BUT, AND THIS GOES FOR BOTH THE PLAN AND THE USE OF THE IDZ IN THIS CASE. UM, THE EXISTING LONG-TERM USES, UH, WAY ON ME GREATLY. IF, UH, IF THERE WEREN'T SORT OF THE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL USES, UH, AROUND THIS PROPERTY, IN ONE CASE, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING IT ALMOST ENTIRELY ON TWO OF THE SIDES, THAT'S NOT A STREET, UM, I WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO DEFER TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UH, BUT GIVEN AGAIN, THESE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL USES, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. AND THAT IS IT. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH A [01:05:01] SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER LUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? NO. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEXA RATANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 10 34 HAMMOND AVENUE, GOING FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO R FOUR CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 27 NOTICES SENT OUT. FOUR IN FAVOR, FIVE OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET. AND HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE. THE EXISTING R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R FOUR CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. MUCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BENEFITS FROM THE B TWO R FOUR CONVERSION, WHICH PERMITS DUPLEXES FOR EACH LOT. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED FOURPLEX WILL ALIGN WITH THE PERMANENT DENSITY. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE HELD TO THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN, WHICH OUTLINES DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS SUCH AS BUILDING SIZE PARKING, AND BUILDING SETBACKS AND DEVIATION FROM THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENT COULD POTENTIALLY WARRANT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC REVIEW. THE PROPOSAL ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING STOCK TO ACCOMMODATE THE CITY'S GROWING POPULATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. HI FERNANDO DE FIF, UH, 1650 WEST ATCH AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, THE, THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN, UM, IN, UH, 2020. AND, UH, WHEN HE PURCHASED IT WAS ALREADY A, A TRIPLEX, UM, AND, UH, IT WAS IN BAD, UH, BAD CONDITIONS. SO HE WENT AHEAD AND, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS TO REHAB THE PROPERTY. HE GOT ALL THE PERMITS TO, UM, UH, BRING IT UP TO A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD PROJECT. IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT. THE BUILDING WAS REHAB, UH, TREMENDOUSLY. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT IT WAS MISSED WITH THE, UH, OWNER THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN R FOUR, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A TRIPLEX, IT WAS BEING USED AS A TRIPLEX FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS. HE FOUND OUT THAT AFTER GETTING THE PROPER PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS, HE WENT THROUGH A FINANCING, UH, THROUGH THE BANK AT THAT TIME. THEY ASKED HIM FOR A ZONING VERIFICATION AND THAT'S WHEN ALL THIS STARTED COMING UP. SO, SO HE'S NOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO THE CORRECT ZONING. AND, UM, AND ALSO, UM, IN BACK IN 2023, HE OBTAINED A ELECTRICAL PERMIT TO MAKE IT A FOURTH UNIT. THE INSPECTIONS WERE DONE AND IT WAS RELEASED TO CPS FOR A FOURTH METER. IT GOT APPROVED, IT GOT INSTALLED. THIS, THIS PRO THIS UH, UM, BUILDING GOT CONVERTED INTO A FOURPLEX. AND AGAIN, THE ZONING WAS STILL SINGLE FAMILY. SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS, UH, TRYING TO MATCH THE, THE PROJECT WITH A ZONING. WE HAVE MET WITH A HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TWICE. THE FIRST TIME WE MET, IT WAS ONLY THE BOARD. WE PRESENTED THE CASE AND IT WAS, UM, APPROVED. WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM THEM SAYING THAT IT WAS APPROVED. TWO WEEKS LATER OR A WEEK LATER, WE GOT ANOTHER EMAIL SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT, UH, UM, RECOMMENDATION BACK. AND WE WERE GONNA MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, THE NE THE, UH, THE MEETING WAS YESTERDAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, A LITTLE BIT OF OPPOSITION. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY IS SEE IF WE COULD GET A CONTINUANCE, UH, TO KEEP WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, UH, AND BRING IT BACK, UH, PRESENTATION WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE, UH, SOLUTION OR OUTCOME. AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. DE LEON. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO. ALRIGHT. VOICEMAILS AND, OR JUST NOPE. [01:10:01] WHAT? YEAH. ONE VOICEMAIL WE HAVE. WE HAVE BOTH. YEAH. OKAY. UH, DID ANYONE PRESENT? LEAVE A VOICEMAIL? NOPE. ALRIGHT, LET'S START WITH VOICEMAILS PLEASE. HI BICHER. UM, ME AND MY WIFE DESTINY LIVE AT 10 33 HAMMOND AVENUE. WE ARE CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER Z 20 25 1 0 7 0 0 2 CD. WE RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10 34 HAMMOND ARE TRYING OR HAVE AN APPLICATION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A ZONING PERMIT TO A MULTITENANT BUILDING WITH FOUR DWELLING UNITS. UM, WE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT. WE WOULD LIKE THE PROPERTY TO REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY USE. UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH ERRATIC BEHAVIOR IN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET. WE'VE SEEN SAPD BE CALLED NUMEROUS TIMES. AND IF THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR MULTI-TENANT USE, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY ENFORCE THE OWNER TO ONLY HAVE A SINGLE TENANT LIVE THERE. UM, BECAUSE HAVING THE, HAVING A MULTI NUMBER OF TENANTS IN THAT AREA COULD INCREASE ERRATIC BEHAVIOR AND CAUSE MORE ISSUES FOR THE SURROUNDING, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. UM, EVERY OTHER SURROUNDING HOUSE IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AND TO ME, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THIS BE SMACK DAB IN A MID, A RESIDENTIAL AREA HAVING A MULTI-TENANT, UM, PROPERTY. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY CALLBACK NUMBER IS, UM, A TWO BABY. WHAT'S MY NUMBER? 2 8 1 8 3 2 16 44. PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL BACK IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THERE'S SOME HUMOR IN THE VOICEMAILS . UM, ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO SPEAKERS, PLEASE. VICTORIA VASQUEZ. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS VICTORIA VASQUEZ. UM, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN REGARDS OF OPPOSITION OF 1 0 34 HAMMOND AVENUE. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I ACTUALLY RESIDE IN, UH, ONE, UH, 1 0 1 0 5 0 HAMMOND AVENUE, WHICH IS ABOUT A FEW FEET FROM THE RESIDENCE IN QUESTION. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS HISTORIC WITH MANY HOMES ABOUT OH, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND REMAINS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGING THE ZONING TO A MULTI-TENANT, UH, MULTI-TENANT FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AT, UH, AT THE S LOCATION AT 1 0 3 4 HAMMOND AVENUE WAS SET UP PRECEDENTS FOR OTHER LANDLORDS TO APPLY FOR ZONING CHANGES INCLUDING COMMERCIAL, PROPER COMMERCIAL I ENTERPRISES, INCLUDING AIRBNB, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, HOSTELS, ET CETERA. UH, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD CHANGE THE IDENTITY OF THE QUIET NATURE OF THE NE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL LEAD TO CHANGES TO THE HISTORICAL PATTERN OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THAT IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, VOICE MESSAGES CONCERNING OF SAFETY FOR NO, FOR NOT ONLY FROM MY, UH, FROM MY RESIDENCE ON 1 0 5 0 HAMMOND AVENUE TO OTHERS. A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS A DISMISSED DISPUTE WITHIN THE RESIDENCE. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY THREW, UM, A FLAMMABLE, UM, INFLAMMATORY AND ACTUALLY PUT A CAR ON FIRE. THOSE RES THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO ACTUALLY BANG ON OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD DOORS TO ALERT THAT THERE WAS A FIRE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND CONSIDERING HOW CLOSE THE COURT VEHICLES WERE, THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE IN IN QUESTION. ADDITIONALLY, TRANSIENT RENTERS AND RESIDENTS DO NOT HAVE LONG-TERM INVESTED INTEREST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OWN HOMEOWNERS AS SINGLE FAMILIES DO, AS IN CA MANY CASES OF INCLUDING AIRBNB AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I AM OPPOSED TO THE REZONING OF THREE, OF TWO FOUR OF 1 0 3 4 HAMMOND AVENUE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO AFFORD DWELLING COMMERCIAL UNIT FOR PROFIT, I, I WILL LIKE TO STAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH, WITH THE INCOMING TENANTS, COULD NOT ONLY JEOPARDIZE THE PROPERTY VALUE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO MY SAFETY AND IN WHAT IT AND COULD BE MY FUTURE FAMILY SAFETY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MS. VASQUEZ. DEANNA VASQUEZ. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS DEANNA VASQUEZ AND I LIVE [01:15:01] IN 1 0 5 0 HAMMOND. AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE CHANGING OF THE ZONING, UH, ZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO A MULTI-UNIT, UH, BUILDING. I BELIEVE A MULTI-UNIT BUILDING WILL INCREASE ISSUES REGARDING TRAFFIC IN THE ALLEYWAYS AND IN THE STREETS, INCLUDING PARKING CONCERNS, PARKING IN THE STREET, UH, CAN IMPEDE TRAFFIC LOAD BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE JUST TWO WAYS. AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, UH, IS COMPROMISED BY PARKING IN THE STREETS AS WELL AS PARKED VEHICLES THAT CAN REDUCE VISIBILITY FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS AND ALSO CAN IMPEDE, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, OR THE PROPOSES TO HAVE, UH, MULTI-UNITS CONSISTING OF FOUR. WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT WOULD, UM, BE PART OF THAT MULTI-UNIT TENANT ALSO. UM, THERE IS, UM, I, I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1987 AND FOR, I, I SEEN THE CHANGES IN THAT HOUSE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT. AND AS THE YEARS WENT BY, IT BECAME TWO AND IT BECAME THREE. BUT WITH NO ONE KNEW WITHOUT THE PERMISSION. AND SO TO COME BACK AND SAY BECAUSE THEY WERE THREE AT ONE TIME, DOES NOT EXCUSE THE FACT THAT IT SHOULD BE MADE FOR. IT IS A, IT IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS A GIN OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOWN THE STREET THERE'S HIGHLAND PARK AND IT SHOULD REMAIN A FAMILY UNIT, A SINGLE UNIT, AND NOT MADE FOR PROFIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. VASQUEZ. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UH, MR. DE LEON, A BRIEF REBUTTAL. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER FOURPLEXES AND, UH, DUPLEXES IN THE AREA. THERE'S SOME, UH, BEHIND THIS, UH, THIS OUR OWN, UH, PROPERTY ON, UH, ON RIGSBY. THERE'S SOME OF 'EM THERE. AND, UH, AND DOWN THE ROAD, UM, EAST OR OR WEST OF THIS, EAST OF THIS PROPERTY TOO. THERE ARE SOME, SO THERE, THERE'S SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OURS. UH, THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC AND CONCERNS TO THE TRAFFIC. WE DO HAVE A PARKING, WE ARE PROPOSING PARKING BACK BEHIND THIS RESIDENCE. AND THE ALLEY THAT'S BEHIND US, IT'S IMPROVED. SO WE WILL HAVE A GATE THERE TO HAVE TRAFFIC. RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING USED AS A TRASH PICKUP. AND SO, SO IT IS IMPROVED WHERE WE COULD HAVE CARS NOT PARKED ON THE STREET. UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, OWNER HAS A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT THAT YES, HE WAS, UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS NOT DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB, SO HE HAS HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE AND HE'S LOOKING OVER THE PROPERTY AND, UH, AND, UH, HOPING TO GET BETTER TENANTS THERE. UH, SO, UH, WE'RE, HE'S TRYING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, ALL THE REQUESTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. DEION. ALRIGHT, THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRICT THREE CASE COMMISSIONER HINO HOSO. WELCOME TO THE HOT SEAT AGAIN. UH, SO TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. UH, YES QUESTION. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REAL QUICK. UH, I KNOW THIS GOT THROWN AROUND LAST NIGHT AT THE MEETING WITH HIGHLAND PARK AND, AND THE, UH, APPLICANT AND THEN I THINK MS. VASQUEZ BROUGHT THIS UP. IS HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION REGISTERED WITH, UH, AS HISTORIC, ARE THEY REGISTERED AS HISTORIC? AND THE OTHER QUESTION, IF THEY ARE, OR IF, IF NOT, WE JUST NEED TO GO BEFORE HDRC PRIOR TO PERMITTING, BUT I'M ASSUMING FIRST QUESTION WOULD ANSWER, THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE, UM, THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, SO IT WOULD NOT GO BEFORE HDRC. GOT IT. AND THEN TWO MORE QUESTIONS. PARKING. SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN WHEN I SAW THE, UH, SITE PLAN THAT THEY HAD, THEY HAD THE PARKING IN THE BACK AND I THINK THEY WANTED TO USE THE ALLEY AS THE MAIN KIND OF ENTRANCE, UH, FOR THE PARKING. IT, UH, IS THAT ALLOWED? IS THERE ANY KIND OF, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, REMIND ME AGAIN HOW MUCH PARKING SPACES WE WOULD NEED FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS, UH, UH, FOUREX? YES. UH, FOR A FOURPLEX THEY WOULD NEED 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT, SO IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SIX SPACES. I DO SEE PER THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY ARE ACCESSING OFF OF HAMMOND AVENUE AS FOR ACCESS OFF OF THE ALLEY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO EFFECT WITH OUR, UM, TRAFFIC TEAM. I KNOW THAT RESIDENTIAL USES COULD UTILIZE A, AN [01:20:01] ALLEY, UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR TRAFFIC TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UM, ACCESSIBLE THAT IT IS, UH, DEVELOPED TO ALLOW, UM, TRANSPORTATION OR CARS ON THE ALLEY. THANK YOU. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, UH, HOW DID THE CITY DETERMINE, I KNOW THERE'S A, I THINK THERE'S ONE THAT I, FELLOW COMMISSIONER POINTED OUT, THERE'S A PROBABLY ANOTHER RENT HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND IT ACROSS THE ALLEY, BUT, UH, REMIND ME, HOW DID THE CITY, UH, SEEK APPROVAL FOR THIS? LISTEN, WHAT WAS YOUR, UM, CRITERIA FOR THAT? UM, WELL AGAIN, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ZONING HISTORY. THIS AREA IS ALREADY PERMITS, UH, DUPLEXES BY RIGHT, UM, FROM THESE ZONING. AND SO HAVING THE ADDITIONAL UNITS, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PUSH TO BRING IN MIDDLE HOUSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR OTHER ALL TYPES OF COMMUNITIES. AND SO THAT WAS BASICALLY WHY STAFF WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, REZONING. I'M SO SORRY. ONE MORE QUESTION. YEAH. UM, SHOWING MY AGE NOW, I THINK I FORGOT THE QUESTION. UM, THE QUESTION, UH, WAS GOING TO BE, I'LL ASK IT THE FINAL ROUND, UH, LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. SEEING, OH, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, SIR. UM, GOING, GOING TO THE QUESTION THAT MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER ASKED, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE ACCESS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE, I SHOULD SAY THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THE DRIVEWAY TO, THAT'S THE MAIN, THAT'S THE MAIN ONE, MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY. NOW, WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD AN ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE ALLEY TOO, SO IT COULD BETTER, UH, BETTER HAVE ANY FUNCTION OF THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACK AND TAKE, TAKE ANY, UH, TRAFFIC OUT OF HAMMOND, IF THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, IS THAT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS? OKAY. QUESTION THE STAFF. UM, CAN THE ALLEY BE DENIED ACCESS TO IT IS A POSSIBILITY. UM, AGAIN, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE ANSWERED BY OUR TRAFFIC TEAM WHEN IT GOES THROUGH PERMITTING STAGE. UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY MAY HAVE A SITUATION THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO DO IF, IF THEY'RE REALLY PUSHING TO USE THE ALLEY ACCESS. SO IF THE ALLEY IS DENIED, YOU STILL HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY THAT YOU CAN DRIVE TO THE BACK? THAT'S CORRECT. EVEN THE SITE LINE RIGHT NOW DOES NOW SHOW THAT GATE ON THE BACK. JUST SHOW THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO HAMMOND. SO WE REQUEST, UH, WE PROPOSED THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT US TO OPEN A GATE ON THE BACK AND USE THAT, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T, WE WERE NOT GONNA OPPOSE THAT. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. COMMISSIONER HUEY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YOU READ MY MIND , UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO HOW, UM, HOW DO YOU INTEND TO ENFORCE NO PARKING IN THE ALLEYWAY FOR YOUR RESIDENCE? WELL, WE CANNOT ENFORCE PARKING ON A, ON A PUBLIC STREET. WE ARE GONNA ENCOURAGE OUR TENANTS TO USE OUR OWN PARKING, BUT WE CANNOT ENFORCE UNLESS PUBLIC WORKS OR COMES AND PUT SIGNS ON NO PARKING. AND THAT PROBABLY WILL BE THROUGH CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE WILL RECOMMEND TO OUR TENANTS TO STAY AWAY FROM PARKING ON THE STREET, DON'T CONGEST IT ANYMORE AND USE OUR PARKING, SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HUEY. ALRIGHT TO MY LEFT. UH, I'M GONNA START WITH COMMISSIONER S SIPES THIS TIME. ALRIGHT, AWESOME. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU STATED THAT WHEN, WHEN THE, UH, PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IT WAS THREE UNITS? THAT IS CORRECT. THE, UH, THE, THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2020 AND IT WAS ALREADY A TRIPLEX. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN I GUESS THEN THAT LEADS TO, UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, SO IF THE APPLICATION IS DENIED, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE RIGHT FOR TWO UNITS? THAT IS CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN THE, THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT, SORRY. UM, THE, THE CURRENT STRUCTURE DOESN'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE B TWO R FOUR CONVERSION. OH, INTERESTING. OKAY. SO THE NON-CONFORMING STATUS OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE IF THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY'RE RENOVATING THE STRUCTURE EXCEEDS 50% OF THE FLOOR AREA. IF IT DOES, [01:25:01] UH, THEN THE ACTION WOULD REQUIRE RELIEF FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE, THE, UH, THERE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS REGARDING PARKING IN AN ALLEY, I DON'T BELIEVE PARKING IS ALLOWED AT ANY TIME IN AN ALLEY. YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK IN AN ALLEY. THE REALLY, THE, THE QUESTION OF USING THE ALLEY FOR ACCESS AS, AS KELLY MENTIONED, IS GONNA BE A DETERMINATION FROM OUR TRAFFIC REVIEW TEAM. UH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY MINIMUM WIDTH STANDARDS AND THE ALLEY HAS TO BE IMPROVED. SO WITHOUT KNOWING IF IT'S A SERVICE ALLEY, THE DEGREE TO WHICH IT'S IMPROVED THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAY, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, UH, AT THE MOMENT. BUT, UH, IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, UH, CONTEMPLATES ACCESS TO AND FROM THE PARKING, UH, FROM HAMMOND. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. FINAL QUESTION, AND AGAIN, TO STAFF, UM, WHILE UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FOUR UNITS, THE MOTION COULD BE FOR ONLY THREE UNITS OR ONLY TWO UNITS, CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT. ALRIGHT. THAT IS ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITSETT, I'M ON THE ALLEY ISSUE. I'M LOOKING AT, UH, GOOGLE RIGHT NOW DOWN THE ALLEY, WHICH I THINK IS THE CORRECT SPOT. IT'S PAVED GARBAGE PICKS UP BACK THERE. THE MAP SHOWS IT'S A 20 FOOT ALLEY AND IT ALSO APPEARS THAT BUILDINGS OR PROBABLY GARAGES COME OFF OF THE ALLEY. SO I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY KIND OF ISSUE FOR THEM TO HAVE NO ACCESS. UH, Y YEAH, I, JUST TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, NOT SAYING THERE IS AN ISSUE, JUST SAYING THAT WITHOUT PERSONALLY HAVING A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, I CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION RIGHT NOW. UH, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE UNITS BEING LEASED RIGHT NOW OR IS THE BUILDING VACANT OR IS THE FOURTH ONE Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON? YEAH, NO, RIGHT NOW THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS VACANT RIGHT NOW. EVERYONE WAS EVICTED. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA START FRESH. THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHATSUP, COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER KELLY. I'M SORRY. I HAVE A ROOKIE QUESTION HERE. I GUESS SINCE I'M FAIRLY NEW ON, ON THE ZONING COMMISSION, I GUESS FOR STAFF REALLY. UM, SO IF THIS IS DENIED THEN THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE UNITS OR NOT? WELL, RIGHT NOW, YEAH, WE LOOKED AT THE NON-CONFORMING USE APPLICATION AND SADLY WE COULDN'T FIND PROOF THAT IT WOULD, IT HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY USED AS A TRIPLEX FROM WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE TWENTIES. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE ZONING WAS EVEN ESTABLISHED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, NOW GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE B TWO R, SO WE HAVE A STIPULATION. IF YOU WERE B WHEN THE ZONING WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED, THE 1938 CODE, YOU COULD DO A TWO PL OR DUPLEX. AND IF YOU, IF THAT ZONING STAYED UNTIL THE 2001 CONVERSION TO R FOUR, WHICH IT IS NOW, THE DUPLEX USE IS PERMITTED. NOW GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION, UM, WHEN I WAS JUST ASKING ALEXA, HE COULD TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HONESTLY AND REBUILD A DUPLEX TO MEET THOSE CODE REGULATIONS. I'M JUST PUTTING THAT HYPOTHETICAL OUT THERE, BUT AT THIS MOMENT, A TRIPLEX, UM, WOULD MOST LIKELY NOT BE PERMITTED. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER BEL TO YOU. UH, SO TO STAFF R FOUR ZONING, UH, DOES IT PERMIT A TRIPLEX? IT DOES NOT. DOES IT PERMIT A DUPLEX? A A DUPLEX? SOMETIMES, AGAIN, SOMETIMES WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT CONVERSION AS IT APPLIES TO THIS ONE ON THIS LOT, YES, IT COULD BE PERMITTED. SO JUST TO TAKE A STEP BACK, HOW IS THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, HOW IS THIS CASE SEEKING TO PUT FOUR UNITS ON THE LOT? WHAT'S THE MECHANISM TO, TO DO THAT? 'CAUSE THE R FOUR ZONING WOULDN'T DO THAT. SO HOW, HOW IS THE PROPOSAL LOOKING TO, SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS, IS FOR THE FOUR UNITS, RIGHT? SO JUST AS LIKE BIG PICTURE CONDITIONAL USE, WHAT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF CONDITIONAL USE? WHY DO WE, WHY DO WE HAVE IT AS A TOOL? THE PURPOSE OF CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT IT ENABLES CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO AUTHORIZE THE OPERATION OF A USE THAT MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE GENERALLY, BUT MAY BE APPROPRIATE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS. [01:30:02] SO FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE FOUR UNITS WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT FOUR UNITS IF THERE'S A TALLER FENCE AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING AND CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY MAY BE APPROPRIATE. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE GIVES THE COUNSEL AUTHORITY TO ALMOST, UM, TAILOR CON, UH, TAILOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO A SITE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE AUTHORIZATION OF A USE NOT TYPICALLY PERMITTED. SO TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A, AS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO REVIEW WHETHER THIS USE, EVEN IF INAPPROPRIATE GENERALLY COULD BE INAPPROPRIATE OR COULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH CONDITIONS AND, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD MAKE IT APPROPRIATE. YES. AND TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL WHAT CONDITIONS THEMSELVES MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED. OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT CONDITIONS DO WE HAVE ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED TO MAKE THIS THE, THE FOUR UNITS MORE APPROPRIATE? UM, THERE IS NO RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT THIS MOMENT, HOWEVER, THEY ARE BOUND TO THE SITE PLAN. CORRECT. AND THERE IS DESIGNATED PARKING AT THE 1.5 AS MANDATED? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR ME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DOBEL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LEFT. ALRIGHT, LOOKING RIGHT LAST ROUND QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, UH, LOOKING LEFT LAST ROUND. ALRIGHT, THERE BEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, IT'S TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. YES, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, SO THIS WAS A BIT OF A DIFFICULT CASE FOR ME AND, UM, BUT LAST NIGHT'S MEETING WHERE WE SAW THE RESIDENTS COME OUT AND SPEAK ON WHAT THEY WANTED AND THEY TOOK A UNANIMOUS VOTE, UH, THE BOARD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, AND THEN SUBMITTED THAT FOR, UM, TO US, YOU KNOW, TO ME THERE SEEMS TO BE JUST A LITTLE TOO MANY BACK AND FORTHS HERE, BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, LITERALLY THE NEIGHBORS, UH, DON'T WANT THIS. AND, AND WHO AM I TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE LIKE 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE. BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE LITERALLY THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA WHO JUST DON'T WANT THIS, UH, IN THEIR, IN THEIR AREA. SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THEM AND SAY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER VOS A SECOND. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER SIPES. ALRIGHT, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HENO. SO THIS IS A, A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT CASE. UM, LIVING IN A SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH AN IMPROVED ALLEY, UM, BEHIND US THAT WE USE FOR UTILITIES AND FOR GARBAGE PICKUP. THE WORST THING THAT I COULD EVER HEAR AN APPLICANT SAY IS, OH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO A PARKING LOT AT FROM THE ALLEY. UM, AND, AND I, I KIND OF WISH THAT HAD NEVER BEEN SAID BECAUSE THAT KIND OF COLORS MY OPINION. UM, I I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL, ALTHOUGH I WOULD BE OPEN TO, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR MAYBE EVEN UP TO TWO OR THREE UNITS. UM, I THINK FOUR UNITS IS, IS IS TOO MUCH. THE PROPERTY WAS NOT PURCHASED AS A FOUR UNIT PROPERTY. UM, CPS REGULARLY WILL, WILL GIVE OUT METERS IN EXCESS OF WHAT SOMETHING IS ZONED FOR. SO THAT HOLDS NO WEIGHT TO MY OPINION. UM, BUT, UH, MY, MY, MY CONCERNS WERE USE OF THE ALLEY AND ALSO, UM, THAT AT A MIDBLOCK FOUR UNITS MIGHT BE TOO MUCH FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. IF, IF IT WAS ON A CORNER WHERE YOU HAD ACCESS FROM THE SIDE STREET, FOUR UNITS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A, A NON-ISSUE FOR ME. SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THE, THE, UH, MOTION FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, LET'S DO, WHAT'S IT? [01:35:01] ANYBODY ELSE? YOU SIR? UM, YEAH, WE'RE JUST GOING STRAIGHT DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN THE PIPE HERE. IT IS KIND OF CHALLENGING WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE TRANSPIRED OVER THE YEARS. UM, I COULD SEE SUPPORTING THREE UNITS, NOT FOUR. UM, CERTAINLY TWO, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE MIGHT BE REASONABLE. SO I'M STILL DECIDING ON MY VOTE, BUT, UH, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. COMMISSIONER BEL. UH, SO THE, UH, I THINK STAFF'S CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE AUTHORIZATION MECHANISM WAS VERY HELPFUL. UM, AS, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT FROM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, THE BIGGEST KIND OF CONCERN ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF OF FOUR UNITS ON THIS PARCEL IS CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. SO COMPATIBILITY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I MEAN, THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS. WE WERE NOT REVIEWING ANY CONDITIONS TO START WITH TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. AND I, I, I QUESTION WHETHER IT WOULD BE EVEN POSSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE BUFFERING OR, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING OR, OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MORE, UM, TO MATCH MORE WITH THE PREVAILING USES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO I MEAN, FOR THAT REASON I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WHO SOUNDS LIKE YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN USING IT AS A TRIPLEX. SO WITH RESPECT, YOU KNOW, TO THE APPLICANT, UM, I DON'T THINK A, A CD'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER LAWS? YEAH, I'M A BIT CONFLICTED ON THIS ONE. UM, THE SHIP OBVIOUSLY LAYS OUT A LOT OF USES AND NEEDS IN OUR HOUSING PLAN OVERALL. UM, I WORK IN HOUSING. I THINK WE HAVE TONS OF SINGLE FAMILY AND TONS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT THIS SPECIFIC DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX IS VERY HARD TO INCENTIVIZE TO BUILD AND ALSO OFTEN SOME OF OUR MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PLAN AND INTEREST IN HAVING A TRIPLEX OR FOURPLEX IS REALLY APPEALING TO ME AND FEELS IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE. THAT BEING SAID, I DO AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS THAT I DON'T SEE FOURPLEX MAKING SENSE HERE. I DO SUPPORT THREE UNITS. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN LIKE MAKE A MOTION FOR THREE. MAYBE THAT'S A FRIENDLY MOMENT. I CANNOT, OKAY, WELL NO. 'CAUSE IT'S DENIAL THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN AMENDMENT. THAT WOULD BE RIGHT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT VOTE. YEAH. UM, I, I THINK IN, IN TO STAY TRUE TO SHIP AND WHAT I THINK IS BEST, WHAT LONG TERM AND OVERALL FOR CITY HOUSING GOALS, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SUPPORT A DENIAL. UM, I DON'T THINK FOUR UNITS MAKE SENSE, BUT I DO THINK THREE OR TWO DOES. AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN THE ZONE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS HAS BEEN OPERATING AS A TRIPLEX. UM, SO I GUESS I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT MIDDLE, MIDDLE H MI MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND THAT SHIP LAYS THAT AS OUT AS AN EXPLICIT NEED FOR OUR CITY, AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY GOOD USE FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANTED US TO KIND OF CONSIDER THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LO. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA JUMP ON THAT, UH, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THE DENIAL, I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION'S, CORRECT? UH, I LIVE IN A SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOOD IN ROOSEVELT PARK. WE HAVE, I THINK, A CASE COMING DOWN THE PIPE WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT FIVE OR SIX UNITS UNDER SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO ACCESS, UH, FROM THE ACTUAL STREET, BUT ONLY THE ALLEY. SO I'M TAKING SOME ISSUE WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES TOO. UM, I THINK THE MISSING MIDDLE IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IN THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE ROOSEVELT PARK, LIKE HIGHLAND PARK, ROOSEVELT PARK'S A LITTLE BIT OLDER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE GRAND OLD HOUSES, UH, THAT FINANCIALLY CAN BE A LOT OF TROUBLE. UH, THEY'RE HARD TO MAINTAIN. UH, THEY'RE OVERSIZED FOR WHAT PEOPLE WANT. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 3000 SQUARE FEET, 4,000 SQUARE FEET IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMETIMES THE BEST USE, THE USE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS TO BE A TRIPLEX OR FOURPLEX. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SEE VARIETIES OF USES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ENTRYWAYS. THOSE ARE THE WAYS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CAN GROW AND FLOURISH AND REINVENT THEMSELVES OVER TIME. BRING IN THOSE COLLEGE STUDENTS TO BEGIN LIVING THERE, TO WANT TO PURCHASE HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SO I WILL BE, UH, OPPOSING THE DENIAL. AND THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VE AND ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER LUM? NO. COMMISSIONER LO, [01:40:01] NO. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER TSET? NO. NO. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO MOTION FAILS. ALRIGHT. AND THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER A REMINDER. IF THERE IS NO MOTION TO RECONSIDER, IT COMES BACK ON A CONTINUANCE AUTOMATICALLY. OH. AND BY THE WAY, THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED. NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ MAKES A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. UH, MOTION TO RECONSIDER DISCUSSION. LOOKING LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER GOEL. YEAH. O ONLY WHETHER, UH, A CONTINUANCE MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET BACK WITH STAFF AND THINK ABOUT SOME CONDITIONS THAT COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC. THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE THAT'S SOMEWHAT NOT GERMANE. UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE THE VOTE. SO ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE VOTE? COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? UH, I, I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF MAYBE THREE UNITS, SO AS PART OF MY SECOND OF THIS. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER LEFT? LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. UH, ROLL CALL VOTE COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? NO. COMMISSIONER HUI? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. NAY. CHAIR BUSANTE. NO. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. THEREFORE, UH, PER CODE. THIS IS A CONTINUANCE. WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, SO WE CAN TAKE A BREAK NOW ABOUT 15, 18 MINUTES BEFORE OUR TRADITIONAL BREAK OR CUSTOMARY BREAK. OR WE CAN PUSH THROUGH ONE MORE. COULD WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK? LET'S TAKE THE BREAK. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA SAY SEVEN MINUTES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT, BUT FIVE WAS DEFINITELY TOO SHORT. SO SEVEN MINUTES. UH, THE TIME IS 2 43 AND WE ARE IN RECESS. UM, ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO RESUME THIS MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THE TIME IS TWO 50 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO HEAR, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. READY? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ARD GOMEZ, ZONING SENIOR PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 34 0 6 ROSEVILLE AVENUE, GOING FROM IDZ INFO DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH USES PERMITTED IN C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK. RECEPTION HALL AND MEETING FACILITIES TWO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO PAIN AND BODY. THERE WERE 13 NOTICES SENT OUT. TWO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET. THREE IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED THE MISSION. SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED TO THE REQUEST. STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE R SIX, C ONE, C TWO, AND C3. THE EXISTING IDZ, UH, FOR USES PERMITTED IN C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH WITHOUT WHETHER OR WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK. RECEPTION HOME AND MEETING FACILITY IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO PAIN ANDBUT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY OPERATED UNDER AN APPROVED NON-CONFORMING USE. IT IS ADJACENT TO VACANT LAND AND EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES AND IS LOCATED AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL USES, MINIMIZING POTENTIAL FOR OPERATIONAL NOISE IMPACTS ON THE PUBLIC. THE REQUESTED ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO LAWFULLY RESUME, AUTO PAINT AND BODY OPERATIONS AND BRING THE [01:45:01] PROPERTY INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS. THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIRES A SITE PLAN FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, WHICH CANNOT BE MODIFIED. WITHOUT FURTHER CONSIDERATION FROM PUBLIC REVIEW, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. GOOD. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, BALTAZAR SERNA. I AM THE APPLICANT AND I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER, JOEL AND LINDA FERDEEN, WHO OWNED JOEL'S COLLISION. UH, WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO REQUEST A REZONE TO A C TWO CD CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO, UH, PAINT AND BODY. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY. UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 24, MY CLIENT PURCHASED, UH, THE PROPERTY FROM A PREVIOUS OWNER WHO HAD ALWAYS USED IT AS A, UH, AUTO PAINT BODY. IT, IT'S BEEN AN AUTO PAINT BODY FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, UH, ON ROOSEVELT AVENUE. UM, UNBEKNOWNST TO MY CLIENT, UM, HE, HE CAME INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING. UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS HE SAW IS THERE WAS A PAINT BOOTH THAT HE FELT WAS NOT SAFE. IT WAS AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE PROPERTY BY WHERE PATRONS AND HIS EMPLOYEES WOULD BE WORKING. SO HE, UH, IMMEDIATELY MOVED IT TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH REQUIRED A 60 FOOT EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING THAT TRIGGERED, UH, UNBEKNOWNST TO HIM, HIM LOSING HIS, HIS, UH, NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS AS A RESULT. UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, THE, UM, HE IMMEDIATELY WENT AND, AND, UH, OBTAINED SUPPORT FROM ALL HIS, UH, UH, THE INDIVIDUALS WITH WHICH WHO WERE IN THE 200 MILE RADIUS. ANY OTHER, UH, PEOPLE THAT HE COULD GET SUPPORT FROM? UH, WE HAVE PACKETS TO SHOW THAT TODAY, LINDA, IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE IT TO YOU SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THE SUPPORT WE'VE HAD. UM, WE HAVE MET WITH THE, THE, UH, MISSION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AFTER SEVERAL UH, MONTHS. WE, WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER WITH 'EM LAST WEEK. UM, THE, UH, THEIR CONCERN, OF COURSE, THEY'D LIKE FOR THE AL THE PAINT AND BODY SHOP TO GO AWAY ALTOGETHER. UH, BUT THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, UH, THE, THERE WAS, THERE ARE SOME SMOKE STACKS AS A RESULT OF HIM HAVING TO PUT THE, UH, THE AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOP, UH, OR THE, OR THE PAINT BOOTH, UH, SINCE HE REMOVED IT AND, AND INSTALLED A NEW ONE UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL CODE, HE'S REQUIRED TO HAVE, UH, SMOKE STACKS FOR THESE, UH, AUTO PAIN BODY. UH, RIGHT NOW THEY SIT AT ABOUT 14 FEET. UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE MISSION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. UH, HE WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SOLD THEM OR INSTALLED A PAINT BOOTH. AND HE'S NOW WILLING TO, UH, GO TO AN ALTERNATIVE TYPE OF, OF STACK, WHICH IS A, INSTEAD OF GOING VERTICAL, UH, INSTEAD OF GOING HORIZONTAL, IT WOULD BE VERTICAL TO THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH WOULD, UH, BRING THOSE SMOKE STACKS TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE FEET ONTO THE BUILDING. SO HE IS MAKING EVERY ATTEMPT, EVERY ATTEMPT TO TRY AND SATISFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IF HE CAN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OTHER CONCERN WAS WHAT TYPE OF FENCING HE PUT ON. UH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS, THESE AREN'T ZONING CONCERNS, BUT WE, WE, WE SAY ALL THESE THINGS. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE TYPE OF FENCING TO PUT AROUND THE PROPERTY AS WELL. UH, IN THAT, IN THAT STACK OF, OF SUPPORT LETTERS I SENT YOU, YOU'LL SEE ONE FROM A, ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, NOT AFFILIATED TO THIS AREA, BUT THAT SITS BEHIND. HE, IT'S EXISTING. HE HAS ANOTHER, UH, LOCATION RIGHT OFF OF FAR IN THE FAR 10, UH, FOUR, 10, UH, 90 AREA. UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HIM. HE'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THEM. HE PARTICIPATES IN A LOT OF THINGS THEY NEED HIM TO PARTICIPATE IN. AND SO WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT SHOWING, UH, THAT THAT IS IN FACT TRUE. UM, WE'RE HERE TODAY, UH, ASKING THAT YOU SUPPORT, UH, THE, UH, OUR, OUR ZONING APPLICATION ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION BY, UH, GIVEN TO YOU BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE VISITED, UH, WITH STAFF, WE'VE VISITED WITH THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE AS WELL. UH, THEY'RE UNDER, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UH, YOU MAY HEAR SOME, SOME, UH, CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT SOME, UH, VIOLATIONS THAT HE HAS EXISTING. UM, SO THAT YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN THAT NOW. UH, HE PAID, UH, THE TWO VIOLATIONS HE HAD AFTER HE FOUND OUT HE HAD NO LONGER HAD NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS. HE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, CODE THAT, THAT THEY WOULD NOT CITE HIM ANYMORE AS LONG AS HE FILED THE ZONING APPLICATION. UNBEKNOWNST TO HIM, UH, THE CODE OFFICER CHANGED AND HE PICKED UP FOUR NEW VIOLATIONS. THEY WERE POSTED ON HIS DOOR THAT HE HAD NO IDEA THAT HE HAD NEW VIOLATIONS. UH, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO RECTIFY THAT WITH CODE TO LET THEM KNOW WE NEED ABOUT ANOTHER 30, 45 DAYS BEFORE WE GET TO THE ZONING PROCESS. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE WE GOT, WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO HRC FOR THE SMOKE [01:50:01] STACKS AND FOR THE FENCING. UM, SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. ERNO, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT SIGNED UP THAT IS GOING TO RELINQUISH OUR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER? OKAY. YOUR NAME MA'AM. PRISCILLA. ALRIGHT. TO WHOM ARE YOU GIVING YOUR TIME? MA'AM, BROOK. OKAY. I'M SORRY. MY BAD. OH, MS. HENRY. SO ROSA, ARE YOU ALSO GIVING YOUR TIME? NO. NO. OKAY. . ALRIGHT, IN THAT CASE, LET'S START OFF WITH, UH, ZACH HARRIS. ALRIGHT, MR. HARRISON, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ZACHARY HARRIS AND I REPRESENT AS A PROPERTY OWNER. 1, 2, 2 WOODHULL, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY. UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR, UM, YOUR SERVICE. AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER, I KNOW THIS IS PAINFUL AT TIMES. UH, WE JUST WANT TO COME HERE TODAY, TOVO THE VOICE, OUR STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING REQUEST. WE, WE HAVE REVIEWED, UH, IN DEPTH AND VISITED WITH STAFF ABOUT THEIR, UH, ASSESSMENT. AND WE ARE DISAPPOINTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. UM, WE THINK APPROVING THE ZONING CHANGE WOULD, UH, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DIFFICULT, UH, UH, FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA AS YOU SEE HERE, UH, TO EVOLVE INTO THE KIND OF WALKABLE, LIVABLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW THE COMMUNITY DESERVES THAT I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND THAT I KNOW, UH, SOME OF THE OVERLAY PLANS CALL FOR. UH, THIS AREA SITS AGAINST A BACKDROP OF A BEAUTIFUL US NATIONAL PARK AND IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOUGHTFUL AND COMPATIBLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT STRENGTHENS THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN FRACTURING IT. THE ZONING BEING PROPOSED DOES NOT MOVE THE AREA CLOSER TO THIS OUTCOME, BUT WE FEEL MOVES IT FURTHER AWAY. UH, TO BE CLEAR, THE PROPOSED ZONING DOES NOT SERVE THE LONG-TERM COMMUNITY GOALS AND DOES NOT SUPPORT THE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT THAT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYONE. INSTEAD, IT RISKS KEEPING THE LAND VACANT AND COMPATIBLE AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE REQUEST AND UNDERSTAND HE IS A, A BUSINESS OWNER IN THIS AREA, BUT WE, WE MUST FULLY OBJECT TO THE, THE APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. WE ASK THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE FULL IMPACT OF THIS DECISION, NOT ONLY ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S FUTURE AND THE CITY'S BROADER GOALS FOR COMPATIBILITY AND INFILL VITALITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HARRIS. JAY AND HENRY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND MS. HENRY, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. HI, MY NAME IS CHAIN HENRY, PRESIDENT OF MISSION, SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 5 22 EAST DIXON AVENUE. UM, I AM HERE TODAY SPEAKING FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS. WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HAVE THE APPLICANTS MAKE A PRESENTATION AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING YET. IN OCTOBER, WE INVITED HIM, BUT HE WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY IN UH, NOVEMBER. OUR MEETING DAY FELL ON VETERAN'S DAY LIBRARIES CLOSED, UH, VETERAN VFW HALL WAS CLOSED. CITY STAFF WAS UNAVAILABLE, SO, UM, THAT COULD BE A REASON FOR ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, WHICH YOU EVERY, ALL PARTIES MAY WANNA CONSIDER LATER. BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU, UM, OUR REASONS FOR OUR BOARD. UM, OUR BOARD OPPOSITION TO, UM, THIS APPLICANT'S ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM C ONE TO C TWO CD. UH, THE APPLICANTS DID MEET WITH US LAST WEEK, BUT WITH JUST WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS, THEY DID NOT SHARE THE, UM, THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT THEY, UH, RECEIVED FROM, UH, NEIGHBORS. UH, AND AS OF YESTERDAY, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING THE SMOKESTACKS LOWER. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT EMISSIONS ARE COMING FROM THERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE STANDING FROM THE CORNER OF HIS PROPERTY, UM, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE MISSION, THE WALLS OF THE MISSION, BELL TOWER NATIONAL PARK SIGN. UH, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF 15 [01:55:01] ACRES OF NATIONAL PARK COMPRISING JUST THE MISSION. SAN JOSE PARK OF THE, UH, MISSION'S, NATIONAL PARK HISTORIC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH ENCOMPASSES ALL FIVE OF THE MISSIONS, ALAMO, SAN JUAN, UH, ION, JOSE AND RA. UM, UM, THIS IT'S 10 YEARS SINCE THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED A WORLD HERITAGE SITE. THIS MAN SAID THAT HE DID NOT KNOW WHEN HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THAT IT WAS IN AN HISTORICAL AREA. WELL, IT IS, AND IT'S SUBJECT TO, UM, THE C ONE DOWN ZONING OF ALL THE, UM, PROPERTIES, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON, UH, ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THAT WAS DONE IN 20 17, 20 18. UM, IT WAS A PROJECT BETWEEN THE WORLD HERITAGE ORGANIZATION AND THE, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ZONING. UH, THE PURPOSE WAS TO, UM, UH, TO DOWN ZONE, UM, THE EXISTING TIRE SHOPS AND OTHER, UM, DECLINING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN, IN THE AREA SO THAT, UM, NEW BUSINESSES COULD TAKE OVER. UM, AND THOSE THAT REMAINED LIKE GHETTOS AUTO SHOP WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A NON-CONFORMING USE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY. THAT THE NEW OWNER COULD CONTINUE THE SAME KIND OF BUSINESS AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT EXCEED THE FOOTPRINT. UH, UH, ALREADY ESTABLISHED THIS OWNER, THIS MAN BOUGHT IT AND, UM, BEFORE CONSULTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OR ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT OR BUILDING PERMITS, UH, STARTED BUILDING JANUARY OF 25 WITHOUT PERMITS AND KEPT GOING UNTIL IT WAS FINISHED IN ABOUT MAY. UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO, UH, MADE NUMEROUS CALLS TO, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, WHO'S FINALLY FOUND TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, UH, OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE NCU. UM, LAST, UH, SUMMER IN JUNE AND AUGUST, HE HAD, UM, A HEARING FOR THE NON-CONFORMING USE AND WAS DENIED THE FIRST TIME AND THEN DENIED AGAIN ON APPEAL. HOWEVER, HE HAD ALREADY BUILT HIS, HIS PROJECT. UM, EVERYTHING THAT HE'S DONE WOULD BE TOTALLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE. UM, WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ALL THAT METAL, THE METAL FENCING THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TAUGHT, TOLD TO TALK, TAKE DOWN THE METAL FENCING. THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT SINCE LAST SPRING. IF YOU, UM, LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER PICTURES, , THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE VISITOR CENTER AT THE MISSION SAN JOSE. NOT VERY ENTICING. UH, AND YOU WONDER WHAT'S COMING OUTTA THE SMOKESTACKS. OKAY. THE PARADES CULTURAL ARTS PARADE, UM, HARLANDALE SCHOOLCHILDREN HAVE HAVE THEIR ANNUAL PARADE GOES RIGHT PAST RA'S AUTO SHOP, JOEL'S COLLISION. UM, WE WONDER WHAT KIND OF EMISSIONS WILL BE COMING OUT OF WHATEVER VENTILATION IS UP THERE. UM, I UNDERSTAND FROM THIS OTHER, UH, PLACE ON 2024 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10. IT'S A BIG, SUPER HIGH SECURITY AREA. THIS, THIS IS AN ELECTRIC FENCE. UH, IT'S GOT INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT TO DO SO THAT THEY CAN GET IN. BUT ANYONE ELSE, IF YOU GO ON, I THINK THERE'S SOME MORE PICTURES WITH A PALM TREE. YES. WARNING, 7,000 VOLTS, LIKE, UM, STAY AWAY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MAKES A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT BELONGS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A NATIONAL PARK, A WORLD HERITAGE SITE MISSION SAN JOSE. UH, THIS IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THIS PROPERTY. HE TOOK RA'S OLD AUTO SHOP, WHICH IS NICE, WAS NICE. I TOOK MY CAR THERE. HE IS A NICE GUY AND HE SUPER SIZED IT AND PUT IT ON STEROIDS AND IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU MR. SENATOR. THANK YOU ROSEMARY ANAN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS [02:00:01] OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS ROSEMARY ANGUIANO ZUNIGA. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE REZONING REQUEST FROM C ONE TO C TWO CD FOR THE PROPERTY AT 34 0 6 ROOSEVELT. AND I'M SORRY, MS. ANGA, WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? OH 2 38 BUSILLO DRIVE. THANK YOU. IN TWO, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2018, THE PROPERTY WAS DOWNSIZED AND REZONED TO C ONE. IN JUNE OF 2024, GUERRA SOLD THE PROPERTY TO LITTLE SAM'S. IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, LITTLE SAM SOLD THE PROPERTY TO JOEL COLLISION. IN JANUARY, 2025, JOEL BEGAN RENOVATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT NECESSARY PERMITS. IN MAY OF 2025, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ZONING COMMISSION, I GUESS IT WAS ZONING COMMISSION, DETERMINED THAT JOEL DID NOT HAVE CONFORMING USE RIGHTS AND HIS REQUEST WAS DENIED. CODE COMPLIANCE WAS ALSO HAS ISSUED CITATIONS TOTALING OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ONGOING UN PERMITTED CONSTRUCTION. THROUGHOUT THESE EVENTS, JOEL COALITION DID NOT CONTACT THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, OR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR PROPER CONSULTATION OR APPROVAL. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE MISSION, THAT THE MISSION SAN JOSE, THAT MISSION SAN JOSE, IS PART OF THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE, WHICH IS THE ONLY WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATED IN THE LOCATION OF TEXAS AND ONE OF JUST 26 SUCH SITES IN THE UNITED STATES. THIS MAKES THE MISSION SAN JOSE, UH, AND ITS SURROUND SURROUNDING AREA, UNIQUELY SIGNIFICANT, BOTH HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY. IN CONCLUSION, THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION BOARD AND MY FAMILY, WHO ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE MISSIONS FEEL MARGINALIZED BY THE DISREGARD SHOWN TOWARD OUR COMMUNITY, OUR HERITAGE, AND THE LEGACY OF OUR MISSION ANCESTORS, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE APPROVING THIS REZONING WOULD FURTHER COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. MS. ANGUIANO ZUNIGA BRADY ALEXANDER. MY NAME IS BRADY ALEXANDER. I RESIDE AT 1 8 3 9 EAST PYRON. I SUP. I REPRESENT THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO SUPPORTS MISSION SAN JOSE, AN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT. Y'ALL ARE A TOUGH CROWD IN CASE YOU DON'T REALIZE IT. WE'RE STANDING IN A BUILDING NAMED AFTER A DEVELOPER AND IN THE PARKING LOT IT HAS A NICE SIGN THAT SAYS UNDERNEATH THIS PARKING LOT IS AN AIA. SO MY GRANDPA USED SAY, IT'S A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE HERE, BUT I'M GONNA ADVOCATE FOR SMART DEVELOPMENT AND PROPER INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS AREA. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE DECISION FOR Y'ALL. DOES THE MISSION MATTER OR IS ROOSEVELT JUST ANOTHER CORRIDOR WITH THE SAME STIPULATIONS AS SAN PEDRO OR ANY OTHER FAIRLY LARGE STREET HAVE? DOES THIS PROPOSAL ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR OUR GUESTS? OR DOES IT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING? 350 FEET TO THE NORTH? THAT'S ALL THIS COMES DOWN TO. WE'D LIKE TO SEE CERTAIN LEGACY BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA PROMOTED. OTHERS ARE NOT GOOD TO PROMOTE. THE REFINERY ALONG THE RIVER IS NOT ONE THE CORRAL OR THE HORSING AROUND. UH, FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT ARE KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE'RE NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT SUPPORTS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. AND AS IN OTHER REZONING REQUESTS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN RECENTLY AND TALK SO MUCH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. WELL, IT HAS BEEN LAID OUT RECENTLY IN SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALSO IN THE MISSION AREA. REZONING. WE'D LIKE TO SEE BUSINESSES THAT INCENTIVIZE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS AREA DESERVES AND IS FRANKLY NOT GETTING THE TWO IN FAVOR OF THIS. ONE OF THEM INCLUDES THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY SO FAR. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SOMEONE WHO WILL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, LISTEN TO CONCERNS, ET CETERA, AND HAVE NOT MET AND SPOKEN WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS [02:05:01] INVOLVED. IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY DONE UNDER THE RADAR ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS. MANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OCCURRED IN DURING CONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUSINESS. UM, MAKES US WONDER WHAT HASN'T BEEN FOUND OUT. AND WILL THIS PATTERN CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. MR. CERNA. BRIEF REBUTTAL. VERY BRIEF. UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE MR. BRADY WASN'T WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, UH, TRYING TO, UH, ALLOW THEM TO SHARE THE CONCERNS AS TO THE, THE GATE YOU SAW AT HIS OTHER PROPERTY. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS ANOTHER CORRIDOR HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH HRC THAT I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT FENCE IS NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE ANYTHING BEFORE, LIKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, SHANNON MILLER WILL, WILL MAKE SURE OF THAT. UH, AND SO, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING IS DONE RIGHT. WE JUST NEED TO GET THE ZONINGS AGAIN. THIS, THIS WAS A AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOP FOR 50 YEARS AND IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE THAT HAD HE NOT LOST HIS NONCONFORMING RIGHTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. SANNER. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS STILL OPEN 'CAUSE WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THEN IT WILL BE OVER. UM, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. UH, COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA TO YOU. ACTUALLY, NO. PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER. I DON'T REMEMBER. FORGET IT. . UM, ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE YET AGAIN. YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, GOT THREE OR FOUR OF THEM. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT TYPE OF ROADWAY IS ROOSEVELT AVENUE? CAN IT HANDLE OVERSIZED TRUCKS AND 18 WHEELERS? WHILE YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF LOOKING INTO THAT, UM, UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN STAFF AND ANSWER. WAS THE WORLD HERITAGE OFFICE NOTIFIED, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, ZONING THEY WERE AND, AND THEY, UH, DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ANY OPPOSITION? DID, DID, DID NOT PROVIDE A RESPONSE. OKAY. THEY KNEW, UM, WHEN I TALKED TO THEM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CASE ACROSS THE STREET, THEY KNEW OF THIS CASE. AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAD REALLY ANY, IT WASN'T GONNA JEOPARDIZE, UH, ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AS A, UH, DIRECT DESCENDANT OF A MISSION AS WELL. MYSELF, UH, DEFENDER, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA AFFECT ANY KIND OF MENISCAL OR WORLD HERITAGE, UH, STATUS. YES. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF QUESTION ONE, Y'ALL. YES. SO ROOSEVELT AVENUE IS CONSIDERED A PRIMARY ARTERIAL STREET, WHICH SHOULD, UM, ACCOMMODATE HEAVIER TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PICTURES, UH, JUST MS. HENRY AND THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, UH, OR THE BOARD BRING UP SOME GREAT, GREAT QUESTIONS. RIGHT? VERY, VERY GREAT QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF. UM, BUT SO THE APPLICANT, CAN I, CAN YOU COME UP HERE AND ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? UH, NUMBER ONE, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, BUT MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR BOTH. ANY, ANY, UH, FENCING OR ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING? IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH HDR C FOR APPROVAL, CORRECT. STAFF? THAT IS CORRECT. ANY PERMITTING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATE REVIEWS BASED IN THE AREA. AS I SEE IT, THIS IS NOT A ZONING ISSUE AS FAR AS, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THAT SEPARATE PROCESS. THAT'S CORRECT. WHICH WE CAN'T START UNTIL ZONING IS AWARDED. AWARDED. CORRECT. THANK YOU. UH, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOUR CLIENT, UH, BE OPEN TO A FRIENDLY, UH, AMENDMENT OF AN NA? YEAH, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. ALCOHOL? NO ALCOHOL. WE'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SERVE ALCOHOL IN NA YEAH. NON ALCOHOL. YEAH. UM, FOR THE CITY STAFF, WHO REGULATES THE ADMISSIONS FOR AUTO REPAIR SHOPS? IS IT THE CITY OR STATE OR? SO ANY TYPE OF, UM, ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY ARE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO MECHANICAL PERMITTING REVIEWS. SO ANY EXHAUST FUMES, UH, VENTILATION IS GONNA BE REVIEWED BEFORE APPROVED FOR PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION. AND AGAIN, IT'S OUR INTENT TO WORK TO BRING THOSE STACKS DOWN AND LAY THEM VERTICALLY AS OPPOSED TO HORIZONTALLY. UM, I'M SORRY, THE OTHER WAY AROUND . YEAH. VICE VERSA. YEAH. THANK YOU. VICE VERSA. AND THEN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. ALEXANDER, CAN YOU PULL UP HERE REAL QUICK? THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, SIR, WAS, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE TIMES TO SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR FELLOW NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, ARE YOU ACTING ON, UH, ARE YOU, DOES THIS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE HIGHLAND, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, HOT WELLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OR IS THIS JUST MR. ALEXANDER? I REPRESENT AND AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL STANCE TO SUPPORT THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. WAS THERE A VOTE TAKEN BY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? YES. OH, THERE WAS A VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. ALEXANDER. OKAY, THAT'S, [02:10:01] UH, THAT'S IT FOR NOW, UH, CHAIR FOR OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. UH, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH IT UP TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO FROM ME TO COMMISSIONER SIPES THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER LOOSA TO YOU. UM, YES. HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I KNOW WE LOOKED AT A PROPERTY THAT CROSSED THE STREET A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, SO STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN AGREEANCE WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? OR IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN AGREEANCE WITH THE PLAN THAT GOT APPROVED RECENTLY OR MAYBE BOTH. , WHAT PLAN? I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LAND USE PLAN? WAS THERE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FOR THIS AREA FROM A COUPLE YEARS PRIOR? NO. UM, THE, BASICALLY THE PLAN THAT IS FOR THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, THE SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN. YEAH. I, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THE, UM, WORLD HERITAGE REZONING THAT HAPPENED ABOUT 2018. THAT MS. MS. HENRY AND YES. OKAY. SO, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING IS BECAUSE IT'S IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES FOR THE AREA. SO IT IS BOTH, UH, IN LINE WITH THE LAND USE PLAN. SO WE DO NOT NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THIS REQUEST. ADDITIONALLY, THE SURROUNDING AREA DID INFLUENCE THE DECISION RECOMMENDATION, SORRY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LO UH, COMMISSIONER BEL. UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BACK TO ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE AUTHORIZATION. UM, SO MAYBE WE COULD GO THROUGH THE SAME ANALYSIS, I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL. SO THE, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING DOES NOT PERMIT AUTO PAIN AND BODY, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE AUTHORIZATION WOULD ALLOW US TO STEP UP TO PERMIT IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT WOULD ALLOW ALL C TWO USES ALONG WITH THE REQUESTED USE OF AUTO PAINT AND BODY. AND, UH, DID WE, DID STAFF RECOMMEND ANY CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, UH, ISSUES WITH THAT MORE INTENSE USE? THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ASIDE FROM WHAT IS CITED ON THE SITE PLAN. REALLY JUST THE LOCATION OF STRUCTURES AND EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGES. AS I HAVE BEEN INFORMED, THEY ONLY HAVE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE FUTURE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME. I I, I KNOW I'D HEARD FROM, UM, THE PROJECT APPLICANT THAT THERE WAS A WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE PROJECTS, BUT WITHOUT IT BEING IN THE CONDITIONS, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE A OBLIGATION OF THEIRS TO COOPERATE ON THOSE. UH, CORRECT. I I, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT TO TODAY WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS WHEN THEY GO TO WORK WITH STAFF, STAFF RECOMMENDS SOMETHING AND IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE, OR, WELL, BASICALLY WE'VE ALREADY MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OR ANY CONDITIONS, ADDED CONDITIONS, YOU, UH, AS A COM COMMISSION, YOU ARE WELCOME TO MAKE, UM, MAKEUPS, OR SORRY, UM, AMEND AND, UM, INCLUDE ANY, INCLUDE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. SO, CORRECT. YEAH, LIKE KELLY'S SAYING, WE, WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR ANALYSIS OF STAFF. UM, AT THIS POINT IT'S THE ZONING COMMISSION. IF, IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT YOU FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE, YOU CAN, Y'ALL CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, LIKE, LIKE NORMAL CITY COUNCIL COULD ALSO ACT, ADD SOME, MAYBE TAKE SOME AWAY OR MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL. YEAH, I, I MEAN, I SUPPOSE IT'D BE HELPFUL IN THIS CASE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, HEAR YOUR GUYS' THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. UM, ONLY IN THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL JUST, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS, BUT YEAH, I'LL JUST ADD, UM, BEYOND WHAT'S, UM, BEEN INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. UM, I KNOW THIS, THIS IS A, A USE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SO I THINK THAT WAS FACTORED INTO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, YES, THE NON-CONFORMING USE DUE TO THE EXPANSION WAS DENIED. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, THE, THE OVERALL USE HAS BEEN PRESENT IN THE AREA AND SO I, AGAIN, THAT WAS FACTORED IN. GOT IT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE AREA PLAN, UM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED ALREADY OR HAS NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED. SO AGAIN, THIS PLAN, THE LAND USE PLAN ITSELF, WHAT FOREST AND MS. JANE HENRY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS A LARGE AREA OF REZONING AND IT'S, IT WAS NOT A PLAN, IT WAS A LARGE AREA OF REZONING WHEN THE WORLD HERITAGE, UM, WAS ESTABLISHED. AND SO THEY DID ASSOCIATE ASSIGN DIFFERENT, UH, ZONINGS, ESPECIALLY ALONG ROOSEVELT CORRIDOR. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THE PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED IS THE SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2005. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A 20 YEAR LAND USE. BUT AGAIN, IT IS NOTED AS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH DOES PERMIT THE C TWO BASE [02:15:01] ZONING. SO THE, TO CLARIFY, THE ESSAY TOMORROW COMMUNITY PLAN HAS NOT YET BEEN CORRECT. UM, ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE POLICIES RELATED TO THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE AREA OR IS THAT FOR A DIFFERENT, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT YEAH. TO BASICALLY BE DISCUSSING AND NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. SO DO, DO WE KNOW IF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON A POLICY , WE, WE COULDN'T WORK ON, UH, POTENTIAL OUTCOMES ONLY. WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN EFFECT, I, I CAN SPEAK TO, I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE DEPART, WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS DOING, AND THEY ARE SYSTEMATICALLY UPDATING THESE OLDER COMMUNITY PLANS. I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THE TIMELINE FOR THIS ONE YET, BUT THEY, THEY ARE WORKING ON THEM. RIGHT. AND I'M GONNA STEP IN HERE BRIEFLY IF I MAY, WHICH IS JUST TO SAY, UM, AS MR. GOMEZ MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE LARGELY HYPOTHETICAL, THEY'RE NOT SET AT THIS TIME. UH, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT WE ARE BOUND, WE ARE BOUND BY WHAT'S IN PLACE, UH, AS FAR AS THE PLANS, UH, THAT, THAT GUIDE US IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, AND TO, AND, AND TO CLARIFY ON THAT, THAT IS TO SAY WE HAVE NOT CURRENTLY ADOPTED ON THE PLANNING SIDE POLICIES RELATED TO HERITAGE PRESERVATION OR ANYTHING. THERE, THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE. HOWEVER, THERE, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE ASKING IS THERE A NEW PLAN BEING DEVELOPED? UM, I I THINK SO, BUT IT, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE THAT ADDRESSES AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDES IT. MS. ZAMO AND I WILL ALSO, SORRY, WE'RE GONNA, MS ZAMO JOHNSON, JUST TO, TO JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY. EVERY PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LIMITS HAS AN ASSOCIATED PLAN DESIGNATION. THE ONLY QUESTION, BECAUSE BY LAW WE HAVE TO, SO THE ONLY QUESTION IS REALLY HOW OLD IS THAT DESIGNATION? SO WAS IT A PLAN THAT WAS PASSED WAY BACK IN THE PAST OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WAS REEVALUATED AND DONE RECENTLY? BUT THERE WILL ALWAYS, AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU ALL BE IN ASSOCIATED PLAN CATEGORY WITH IT. AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DRILL DOWN TO IS WITH, YOU KNOW, RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE CHAIR'S CLARIFICATION OF THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLANS, NOT HYPOTHETICAL, BUT OF CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLANS. DO WE HAVE ANY CURRENT POLICIES THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS AREA RELATING TO CULTURAL HERITAGE OR, OR CONSERVATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER FOR CONSISTENT? NOT FROM A ZONING STANDARD. HONESTLY, THAT IS NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, BUT FROM THE, LIKE, FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THERE'S NO POLICIES THAT WOULD BIND THE USES OF ZONE FOUR. I, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING OFF OF WHAT IS LISTED IN THERE, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN EXACTLY ON ALL THE POLICIES. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BEL, UH, TO MY LEFT STILL, IS IT ALL RIGHT, FINE. COMMISSIONER SIPES . ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, JUST THERE ARE MAINLY CLARIFICATIONS. THIS IS IN THE, UH, A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT IS WE'LL BE GOING BEFORE HDRC FOR REVIEW. ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES WOULD REQUIRE HCRC REVIEW? YES. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE FENCING. UM, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY GOOGLE DOESN'T HAVE CURRENT PHOTOS, BUT IT APPEARED THAT FROM THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT THAT'S LIKE JUST A METAL, IT'S NOT EVEN AN R PANEL, IT'S JUST A YEAH, IT'S JUST A, I DON'T, WELL, IT'S JUST A METAL SORT OF FENCE. THE CORRUGATED METAL. YEAH. THERE ARE CODE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED BY A COURT ENFORCEMENT TEAM. OKAY. AND SO THEN, UM, THE, THE, THE FENCE THAT, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MS. HENRY HAD THE PHOTOS OF, THAT'S AT THE OTHER LOCATION, THE ONE WITH THE, UH, THE ELECTRIFIED FENCE, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S THERE? I BELIEVE SO, YES. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S NOT ON THIS SIDE, I BELIEVE. YEAH, I THINK THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE APPLICANT. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, MAYBE NOT. AND SO, UH, SINCE THIS IS A CD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT CONDITIONS SUCH AS DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CORRECT. THERE ARE ITEMS THAT YOU COULD ADD AS A CONDITION? YES. OKAY. AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHICH ONES YOU WERE THINKING? WELL, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING? YES. UM, A LESS UGLY FENCE, BUT I'M SURE THAT HDRC WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. I WAS GONNA SAY, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AS PER STATE CODE WITH, UH, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY IBC. BUT YES, HDRC [02:20:01] WOULD HAVE FURTHER, UM, REGULATIONS. I WILL LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THAT. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? UH, THIS IS FOR STAFF. UH, IT, SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A PAINT SHOP, RIGHT? PAINT AUTUMN BODY. CORRECT. AND IT ALREADY WAS A PAINT SHOP BEFORE. WAS THERE EVER AN ISSUE WHEN IT WAS A PAINT SHOP? NO, THE ONLY ISSUE HAPPENED WHEN THEY LOST THEIR NONCONFORMING USE WHEN THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO IMPROVE A EXISTING PAINT BOOTH. SO IF THEY DO BECOME A PAINT BODY SHOP AGAIN, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. RIGHT. I, WE CAN'T SUGGEST, I MEANT THIS IS A NEW OWNER. UM, YOU HEARD MS. HENRY SAY THAT THIS YES, IT HAS BEEN, BUT IT WAS A, A NEW OWNER THAT HAS COME IN AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REVAMP THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW THEIR, THEIR HISTORY, SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN SAY IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS USES. OKAY. A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE. UM, THOSE STACKS, UM, THEY HAVE FILTERS, RIGHT? THEY DO HAVE FILTERS. UM, THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE FILTERS BEFORE, SO THERE WERE NO STACKS THERE. THEY THE OLD AT PAINT BOOTH AND I'LL, AND I'LL LET, UH, YOU'RE THE EXPERTS. DO YOU MIND IF HE TESTIFIES TO THE PAINT BOOTH? NO. MR. FER, YOU CAN COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WOULD YOU YEAH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. MY NAME'S JOEL FERDEEN. I'M THE OWNER OF 34 0 6, UH, ROOSEVELT AVENUE. UM, THE REASON WE, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS BECAUSE THE BIGGEST PART OF A BODY SHOP IS THE PAINT BOOTH. AND TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 50 YEARS. THAT PAINT BOOTH, I BELIEVE WAS 37 YEARS OLD, SO IT DID HAVE STACKS, BUT THERE WERE ABOUT TWO FEET IN HEIGHT AND IT HAD NO FILTRATION WHATSOEVER. THEY WERE, UM, IT WAS SITUATED RIGHT FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THE OFFICE WITH NO FIREWALL WHATSOEVER. UH, SO WHAT I DID WAS I CREATED A FIREWALL SEPARATING THE OFFICE, AND I MOVED THE PAINT BOOTH TO THE BACK. I HAD A PAINT BOOTH COMPANY GO IN AND THEY GAVE ME ADVICE AND THEY SAID, THIS IS THE BEST AREA. UH, SO, UH, WE, WE PUT IT UP, THE STACKS RUN VERTICAL, 14 FEET, TWO INCHES AT HEIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER STACK THAT'S THREE FEET AT HEIGHT. THEY HA THERE HAS TO BE A 10 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN BOTH STACKS. THAT'S WHY THE, THE, THE OTHER ONE RUNS SO HIGH. SO, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THURSDAY, THEIR NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT WAS THOSE, UH, STACKS. SO I CALLED THE PAINT BOOTH COMPANY AND THEY SAID WE CAN, WE, WE CAN LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT, BUT WE CAN, UH, PIERCE THE, THE ROOF AND THEN INSTEAD OF GOING VERTICAL, WE'LL GO HORIZONTAL AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT UP AT THE END. ONCE WE PASS THE 10 FEET SEPARATION, WE'LL BRING IT UP ABOUT THREE FEET. SO NOTHING'S GONNA SHOW PAST. HE TOLD ME ABOUT FOUR FEET. I SAID FIVE FEET JUST IN CASE. THAT WAY IT'LL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. AND, UH, HE SAID, WHY DO YOU WANNA RUN 'EM THAT WAY? I SAID, WELL, THEY JUST DON'T LIKE THE, AND, AND THEY, I GET IT. THEY, THEY LOOK REAL HIGH, THEY LOOK INTIMIDATING. AND, UH, IF THAT'S ALL IT TAKES AND AS LONG AS IT MEETS CODE. AND, AND I TOLD THEM, WELL THE CITY, UH, FIRE CODE, UM, PASS THAT. AND HE, THEY SAID, THE ONLY THING THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THERE'S A 10 FOOT SEPARATION AND WE WILL STILL MEET, UH, THAT SEPARATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. FREDEN. UHHUH. . ALRIGHT, WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. THANK YOU BEING YES, THEY'LL STILL MEET CODE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. I KNOW WE KIND OF AVOIDED THIS EARLIER, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN APPLY? SO DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, NO, UH, PENANT SIGNS OR THE LIKE. CORRECT. SOLID, SOLID SCREEN FENCING. AND WE CAN SPECIFY ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THAT SHOULD BE. CORRECT. OKAY. NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOLID SCREEN, I'M GONNA TRY AGAIN. SOLID SCREEN PRINT. FORGIVE ME, I DIDN'T HAVE LUNCH. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOLID SCREEN FENCING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETICS OF THAT SPECIFICALLY WILL BE ADDRESSED BY OHP AND HDRC, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO MR. CERNA, TO YOU NOW, AND I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION, I'M NOT EVEN TRYING TO ADDRESS ANY MOTION, BUT I DO KIND OF WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AS POTENTIAL CONDITIONS [02:25:01] THAT YOUR CLIENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO AGREE TO? UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IS SOLID SCREEN FENCING ALONG WOODHULL DRIVE AND THEN THE, UH, FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT THERE LOOKING FROM WOODHULL DRIVE. YOU KNOW, I THINK HE, HE'D, HE'D BE OPEN TO ALL THAT. UH, UH, CHAIRMAN, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HC C'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE, THE ISSUE HERE. I MEAN, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO WHAT HCC TELLS HIM TO DO OR IT'LL, IT WON'T EVER PASS. UH, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE CORRIDOR ORDER. AND WHEN HE CAME TO ME FIRST, THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HIM. I SAID, YOU'RE IN HISTORIC CORRIDOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SO MUCH FOR THE ZONING, YOU, THE HRC MAY BE A BIGGER PROBLEM. SO I, IF, IF WE COULD SAY YES, WE'LL AGREE TO IT, BUT IF HRC DOESN'T LIKE IT, UH, THEY MAY SAY WE DON'T WANT A SOLID FENCE. I, I THINK THEY CAN, THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. BUT AS FAR AS ZONING, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. THE AESTHETICS OF IT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BY HDRC. UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT NO PENANT SIGNS. THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO HERE. SO LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE WAVY GUYS, TEMPORARY TEMPORARY SIGNS, TEMPORARY PENANT SIGNS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, RIGHT? HE, HE, HE PLANS ON PUTTING ON A PERMANENT SIGN, NOT ANY PENT SIGNS, PUT ANY FLAGS WAVING OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. YEAH. SO YOU CAN AGREE TO THAT CONDITION? YES. ALRIGHT. DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING TO TRY TO DECREASE ANY KIND OF IMPOSITION UPON THE MISSION. YEAH. AND SO I THINK YOU'RE GOOD WITH DOWN, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AS WELL. YES. WE'RE GOOD WITH ALL AT. UM, WELL, THE, THE SMOKE STACKS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL, UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY AB ABILITY TO CONDITION THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T DO THAT, BUT I BET YOU HDRC COULD. UM, SO, OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC WELL, IT, IT IS ZONED FOR AN EVENT CENTER. . I WANNA GO BACK TO THE BUT, BUT YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN AGREE TO THIS ONE, BUT BINGO, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC WOULD BE OKAY. NO, YEAH, WE'RE NOT DOING OUTDOOR AMPLIFI. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE THERE TO WORK YOU, YOU'VE AGREED TO NA RIGHT? UH, YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DISCUSSED, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE OTHER CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, SO A COUPLE THINGS. I KNOW, UH, A COUPLE COMMENTS WERE MADE AND YOU KNOW, THE MISSIONS DON'T MATTER WHAT THEY DO. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP AS BEST WE CAN. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I DO IS IF SOMETHING'S WITHIN A BOUNDARY OF A, A MISSION OR HISTORICAL DISTRICT IS FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S GONNA JEOPARDIZE THAT, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IT WAS A COMMON MEAN ABOUT CERTAIN LEGACY BUSINESSES WILL BE PROMOTED. I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SCARY TO ME. I MEAN, WHO, WHO DETERMINES THAT? RIGHT? BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT. UH, FOR ZONING, THIS HAS BEEN A AUTOMOTIVE BODY REPAIR SHOP FOR 50 TO 60 YEARS IN THIS AREA. IF THIS WAS A VACANT LAND AND THIS WANTED TO BE BUILT ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. IF IT WAS A A A JUST A BIG VACANT BUILDING AND THIS WANTED TO BE CONVERTED INTO THIS, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT. HOWEVER, THIS HAS BEEN HERE FOR 50, 60 YEARS. I THINK MY GRANDFATHER BROUGHT HIS VEHICLE THERE MULTIPLE TIMES TO FIX, UH, HIS, HIS HIS VEHICLE. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT WAS NAMED BY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR. I DUNNO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO LIST ALL THOSE. SOMEBODY WAS WRITING THOSE DOWN. OKAY. SO WE HAD, LET ME GET THE ITEMS HERE. WE HAD DOWNWARD LIGHTING AND UM, DOWNWARD LIGHTING. YEP. GOT THE NA ALSO HAD NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. AND THEN ALSO I BELIEVE A SOLID SCREEN FENCE ALONG, ALONG A WOOD HOLE, ALONG WOOD HOLE. OKAY. AND THEN BACK TO, UM, THE PROPERTY CORNER SPECIFY FROM WOOD HOLE, UM, HEIGHT IS BY DEFAULT SIX FEET, POSSIBLY EIGHT FEET. WELL, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WITH ZONING YOU CAN ONLY GO SIR, A CERTAIN HEIGHT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE. I BELIEVE IT IS THREE FOOT SOLID, FIVE FOOT PREDOMINANTLY OPEN. BUT BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE THAN YOU COULD GO UP TO SIX FOOT SOLID. SO YOU'RE, WHICH ONE MIGHT BE EASIER JUST TO NOT YES. SPECIFY YES. RELY ON THE REGS. YES. OKAY. [02:30:01] ALSO FOR SIGNAGE, CAN THEY NOT HAVE A, UM, A FREE STANDING POLE? I MEAN, NOT, NOT TO HAVE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? FREE SIGNAGE, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THE BUILDING. IF, IF THEY COULD, CAN WE RESTRICT THEM NOT HAVING A NEW POLE THAT SHOOTS UP CERTAIN, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE COULD VET IT, BUT IT DOES SAY, AS IN ITEM SIGNAGE IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION ON. SO THEY COULD HAVE A FREESTANDING THERE. NO, I'M SAYING YOU'RE, UM, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ADD IT AS A ITEM. IT DOES SAY SIGNAGE. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO CONFIRM THOUGH, MAYBE AT A LATER DATE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TO PROCEED WITH THE SIGNAGE OF THE FREESTANDING. AND I'M GONNA ALSO POINT OUT THAT SIGNAGE DOES BECOME VERY IMPORTANT TO HDRC. UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER SAFEGUARD THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH RESPECT. I WAS GONNA ALSO SAY THERE ARE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE CORRIDOR, THE, UM, MC ROOSEVELT COURT AVENUE CORRIDOR. SO THERE ARE SIGNAGE REGULATIONS AS WELL ON THAT. I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DO ALLOW FREESTANDING OR, AND OR, UM, ATTACH SIGNAGE, BUT IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN REGULATIONS AS PER THAT CORRIDOR REGULATIONS AND STAFF. REMIND ME, UH, NR WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT AGAIN? NR STANDS FOR NOISE RESTRICTED. SO BASICALLY IT WOULD NOT PERMIT ANY, UM, OUTSIDE, UH, SPEAKERS APPLICANT. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT, THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED ALREADY? WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST NO SPEAKERS. I THINK IT, IT DEALS WITH NOISE IN GENERAL AND SO THAT'S A GRAY AREA BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A PAINT BODY SHOP AND IT'S NOT BEHIND A RESIDENCE. AND SO I GET CONCERNED ABOUT NR AND WHO REGULATES THAT. ARE WE GONNA HAVE CODE OVER THERE EVERY DAY KNOCKING OUR DOOR AND SAYING, HEY Y'ALL A LITTLE LOUD TODAY AND WRITING THE CITATIONS. UM, SO, BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH NO OUTDOOR MUSIC. ALRIGHT. UM, I'M IN ANOTHER ITEM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO OR HOURS OF OPERATION. OKAY. IF THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN. WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF FOR ONE SECOND. WE DO HAVE NOW A MOTION WITH THE ITEMS AS READ ON THE RECORD NOW FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS READ ON THE RECORD FOR APPROVAL. UH, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM. UM, WE GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES 'CAUSE I WAS GOING FOR A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION NOW. UM, UH, I DO WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTION. UM, SO UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO VOTE AGAINST ME, I'M STILL GONNA LET EVERYONE ELSE ASK ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTIONS REALLY QUICKLY. ALRIGHT. IF Y'ALL WANT TO DENY ME THAT, 'CAUSE WE ARE SORT OF OUT OF ORDER NOW. THAT'S FINE. UH, BUT ANY QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT? ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER, LET'S GO WITH COMMISSIONER WHITSETT FIRST. 'CAUSE I THINK JUST A QUICK ONE THAT SHOWS A GATE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THIS. DO Y'ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND YOU FOR SOME REASON? COULD YOU, COULD YOU ASK THE MICROPHONE? YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN. IT SHOWS A GATE BACK THERE. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOUR SITE PLAN SHOWS A GATE BEHIND THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE GATES IN THE FRONT AND I'M GONNA GET RID OF ONE OF THEM BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T NEED THREE GATES IN THE FRONT. I'M GONNA JUST GO TO ONE ON THE FRONT AND ONE ON THE SIDE, WHICH ALREADY EXISTS. I'M GONNA KEEP ONE, WHICH IS IN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT ALREADY EXISTS. ONE ON THE SIDE AND THE ONE IN THE VERY FRONT I'M GONNA GET RID OF. IT'S GONNA BE A SOLID FENCE. OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? WHAT'S IT? ALRIGHT. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DOELL, UH, QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR, UM, MISSION SAN JOSE, HOA REPRESENTATIVE. UM, NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS GOING, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS, UM, THAT MISSION SAN JOSE HOA HAD. UM, AND IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR CONDITIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT CONSIDER? I APPRECIATE THE, UH, SUGGESTION OF A NOISE RESTRICTION AND THE NOISE RESTRICTION IS NO. UM, OUTDOOR MUSIC ON SPEAKERS LIVE OR ON SPEAKERS YOU CAN LOOK AT. IT'S IN, UH, C ONE. NO, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, YOU IF YOU DID A NOISE IT NR IT WOULD PREVENT OUTDOOR MUSIC. YEAH. LOUDSPEAKERS. RIGHT? BUT THEN IT DOES BRING UP THE QUESTION OF WILL THERE BE [02:35:01] VOICE ANNOUNCEMENTS OVER LOUDSPEAKERS ALL TIME, ALL THE TIME DURING, UH, BUSINESS HOURS. IF THERE, IF IT WAS BEING PLAYED ON A LOUDSPEAKER OUTDOORS, THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. WELL IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY NO EXTERNAL SOUND SYSTEM. SO THAT WOULD MEAN TO ME ANY SPEAKERS. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS TO CALL LIKE SO AND SO WAS READY, THOSE KIND OF ITEMS. I THINK EVEN IT WAS DISCUSSED, A BANK TELLER WHEN SOMEBODY COMES THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT IS CONSIDERED AN EXTERNAL SOUND SYSTEM. RIGHT? BECAUSE I ONCE LIVED IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, OVERLOOKING, UH, RED MCCOMB'S CAR DEALERSHIP AND IT WAS PRETTY ANNOYING. , ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR US TO CONSIDER? OH, SORRY. ANY OTHER POTENTIAL CONDITIONS TO CONSIDER? OKAY. UM, OTHER THAN IT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY MIND BOGGLING THAT, UH, A HIGH POWERED, HIGH VOLUME, UH, AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOP LIKE THIS WOULD BE PERMITTED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MISSION SAN JOSE, A WORLD HERITAGE SITE. THAT'S ALL. YEP. THANK YOU. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. HENRY. UH, COMMISSIONER DOWELL, ANYTHING ELSE? CHAIR, BUS, DEANTE, TO REALLY QUICKLY FOR COMMISSIONER, UH, DOWELL, YOU ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE PLAN. I LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND IT HAS A SMALL SECTION ESSENTIALLY WHERE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLAN AT THE TIME 2005 WERE TO LOOK AT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION THAT WERE IN THE PLAN AREA AND ALSO TO LOOK, UH, TO SEE WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT AT THAT TIME. SO THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION OF THINGS, BUT LIMITED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT ANYMORE ON THAT. MR. SERNA. UH, I DO WANT TO, UM, TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY O HOURS OF OPERATION 'CAUSE THAT IS A BIG ONE THAT I FORGOT. SO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE SAY NO, SUNDAY YOU ONLY WORK EIGHT TO SIX MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. OKAY. I, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY SEVEN TO SEVEN WOULD WORK THEN, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BUFFER. YES. ALRIGHT. AND, AND SORRY, WHAT WERE THE DAYS AGAIN? MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM NO, SATURDAY. YOU SURE RARELY. THE ONLY TIME WE WORK SATURDAY IS THE HOLIDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING TO MAKE UP THAT FRIDAY BECAUSE WE TAKE, I MEAN YOU CAN THURSDAY THROUGH. SO JUST A SATURDAY TIMEFRAME. HOW ABOUT 10 TO SIX? THAT'S FINE. YEP. YES. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SINCE THERE IS ALREADY A MOTION AND A SECOND, I'M GOING TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN TO SEVEN AND SATURDAY 10 TO SIX. DO YOU ACCEPT? YES. ALRIGHT. DO YOU ACCEPT COMMISSIONER KELLEN? YES. ALRIGHT. W WAS THE NR ALREADY? IT'S NOT ALREADY ON THERE, BUT I, I LEFT IT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, ANY DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? I DO. I JUST WANNA GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE, THE NR. UH, SO WE, WE DID ADD THAT ONTO THE, TO THE MOTION CORRECT CHAIR? UH, WE HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT. NO, WE DID NOT. SO CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW THE APPLICANT WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT ANY KIND OF NOISE. IS THIS ONLY EXTERNAL SPEAKERS? CORRECT. PERIOD. PERIOD. SO IF YOU ADD THE NR, THERE WILL, EXTERNAL OUTDOOR LOUDSPEAKERS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE CLARIFICATION, SO IF THEY'RE MAKING NOISES, THEY'RE HITTING ON THE, ON THE FENDER AND A 19 50, 19 94, 44 AND IT'S PURE METAL, THERE'S GONNA BE NOISE. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY SORT OF THAT IT'S, THAT'S, THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED. 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE PLAYED ON A LOUDSPEAKER UNLESS THEY ARE DOING THAT . WHAT WOULD THAT, SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT NR IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT IF SOMEBODY'S WORKING ON A VEHICLE OUTSIDE AND YOU'RE HEARING THE NOISE FROM THE MACHINES OR WHATNOT. IT'S BASICALLY THE SPEAKERS THEMSELVES AND THE APPLICANT. DO YOU ALL HAVE THAT CURRENTLY AT YOUR OTHER LOCATION? NO. HAVE SPEAKERS. OKAY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SPEAKERS INSIDE. GOTCHA. SO, SO THIS WOULDN'T BE IN THAT. OKAY. SO I LIKE TO ADD THE NR ON THERE AND THEN, UH, REAL QUICK, UH, UH, MS. HENRY, SO IF WE ADD THE NR WITH THE, THE NA ASSOCIATION, REMOVE THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT TO ZONING? I DON'T THINK SO. OBJECTION. NO. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT, UH, TO POINT OF ORDER? YEP, PLEASE. UH, SO CHAIR MADE A, A MOTION TO AMEND, I MADE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. YES. THE MOTION TO AMEND WAS SECONDED. IT WAS ACCEPTED BY, IT WAS ACCEPTED, THE MOVEMENT AND BY THE SECOND. ALRIGHT. UM, IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AMEND. OKAY. SO YOU OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I WOULD, SO [02:40:01] I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD NR. OKAY. DO YOU ACCEPT? YES. DO YOU ACCEPT? YES. ALRIGHT. THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST CONDITIONS WE'VE EVER HAD. ALRIGHT. UH, TO AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION. YOU'RE DOING IT, COMMISSIONER SIPES. I KNOW. SORRY. I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND, AND, UM, I WAS ONE OF THE FEW NON VOTES ON THE, UH, OR NO, NO VOTES ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT IT HAS BEEN A BODY SHOP FOREVER. AND, UM, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE IN, IN THIS POSITION IS BECAUSE OF A PAINT BOOTH BASICALLY THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE AIR QUALITY OF THE, THE, OF THE AREA. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, IDEALLY, I I AGREE TH THIS IS NOT A LOCATION FOR THIS USE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, UM, MISSION SAN JOSE. I AGREE. HOWEVER, UM, IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER IN A WAY FOR GENERATIONS. UM, AND SO I THINK WHAT THIS IS DOING IS MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS, MAKE IT WORK AS BEST AS WE CAN WITHIN, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE RULES. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER KELLY? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE FACILITY BEING SO CLOSE TO THE MISSIONS, UH, MANY MOONS AGO WHEN THAT PROCESS WAS BEGUN. AND, AND, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT OF TRYING TO LINK THE MISSIONS TOGETHER THROUGH A ROAD NETWORK. AND, UH, I HAPPENED TO BE THE LOCAL IN CHARGE OF THE LOCAL TDOT OFFICE, AND WE DID A LOT OF INTERACTION THERE. AND, UH, I'M REALLY SYMPATHETIC AND EMPATHETIC TO THE, TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THERE BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE STRUGGLED FOR MANY YEARS TO TRY TO GET THE APPROPRIATE AMBIANCE IN THE AREA. I MEAN, FOR A WORLD HERITAGE SITE LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, COLLEAGUE SAID HERE, IT'S JUST REALLY SEEMS LIKE THIS IS JUST NOT AN APPROPRIATE, UH, FACILITY TO HAVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE MISSIONS. AND FOR THAT REASON, I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE TO VOTE NO ON THIS, UH, PROPOSAL. BUT, UH, I'LL JUST MAKE A SIDE COMMENT. ROOSEVELT AVENUE IS A STATE HIGHWAY, UNLESS IT'S CHANGED SINCE I RETIRED . SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ROOSEVELT, EVAN HAS BUILT THIS TXDOT STANDARDS. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KELLY. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. UH, LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BEL, UH, OO ONLY TO, UM, EXPRESS THAT I, I FEEL FOR THE, THE PROB THE PROJECT APPLICANT, UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE A MISTAKE, UM, THAT YOU, YOU MADE WAS, WAS A COSTLY ONE. UM, I FEEL FOR YOU IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD KNOWN BETTER IT, I MEAN, FROM EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT DECISION. UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE, THAT SITUATION, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY UNFAIR, UH, TO TAKE AWAY THE, THE USE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PURCHASED AND EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE. UM, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY UNFAIR TO, TO TAKE THAT AWAY. SO WHILE, WHILE I RESPECT THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HISTORIC CORRIDOR, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THE CITY SHOULD EVALUATE SOME POLICIES, YOU KNOW, AROUND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, AN AREA SO IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER BODY TO CONSIDER. UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, I'LL, I MEAN, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, UH, THE MOTION WITH THE CONDITIONS. DON'T WORRY COMMISSIONER VE WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THEY, THEY ARE PART OF OUR UDC UH, REGULATORY REVIEW. YES. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE, SOME OF THOSE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. YES. UM, AFTER CONFERRING WITH CITY ATTORNEY, WE THINK THE C TWO NA AND R IS NOT GOING TO BE AN OPTION, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IT IS CONSIDERED, IT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT WE ADD. SO YOU'RE, INSTEAD OF SAYING NR NO, YOU WOULD SAY NO OUTSIDE AMLI AMPLIFICATION AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FOR THIS USE. OKAY. SO ONE, BEFORE WE VOTE, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU READ [02:45:01] ALL THE CONDITIONS, BUT GIVEN THAT NR IS NOT AVAILABLE, THE NA IS STILL AVAILABLE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, SO THE NR IS NOT AVAILABLE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR I CAN DO IT? UH, YEAH, WELL, I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. YEAH, NA IS NO AMPLIFICATION, NO, NO ALCOHOLIC SALES. OH, NO. ALCOHOLIC SALES. CORRECT. SO, BUT TO, TO CLARIFY, WE COULD HAVE A STANDALONE CONDITION TO HAVE NO AMPLIFIED, NO OUTDOOR IMPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S A CONDITION USE. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. SO THE, THE PRIOR MOTION TO AMEND WAS IMPROPER. THE PRIOR MOTION TO AMEND WAS IMPROPER. SO THEREFORE THE MOTION NO LONGER INCLUDES THE IMPROPER AMENDMENT, BUT IT, THE FLOOR YOU CAN NOW USE. SO, SO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT YES. TO OFFER THE PROPER AMENDMENT. RIGHT. SO CHAIR I'D LIKE OR I MOVE TO AMEND, UH, TO ADD A CONDITION FOR NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND. OKAY. AND AS THERE IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OFFERED FOR NO AMPLIFICATION, OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. NO MORE FROM STAFF. UM, I'M KIDDING. ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR ANY COMMENT. ALRIGHT, UM, SO I'LL TELL YOU I WOULD'VE LOVED FOR A CONTINUANCE AND Y'ALL COULD HAVE HASHED OUT SOME OF THIS ON YOUR OWN, BUT SINCE WE'VE DONE IT FROM THE DAIS, UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AGAIN. I THINK TO COMMISSIONER UL'S POINT, UM, WHAT, WHAT REALLY DOES KIND OF BOTHER ME ABOUT THIS CASE IS IF HE HAD JUST LEFT A 37-YEAR-OLD PAINT BOOTH FACING ROOSEVELT FACING WOODHULL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT CLOSER TO THE MISSION, IT WOULD STILL BE GOING AND, AND THAT SEEMS MORE HARMFUL, UH, THAN, THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY. SO THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, NO DOWNWARD LIGHTING, NO TEMPORARY SIGNS, AND NO FREESTANDING SIGNAGE. UM, SOLID SCREEN FENCING ALONG WOODHULL HOURS OF OPERATION FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY ARE 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM AND ON SATURDAY FROM 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION AND NA AND THE NA CORRECT. CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? DID YOU SAY NO DOWNWARD LIGHTING. I'M SORRY. ALL DOWNWARD LIGHTING. THANK YOU. . ALRIGHT, SO GIVEN, GIVEN THAT CLARIFICATION, THAT IS THE MOTION. UM, SO, UM, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? NO. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER WIT YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES WITH CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT. KEEP WORKING WITH EACH OTHER PLEASE AS YOU GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT, OUR THANK YOU. UH, OUR CASES ARE, NEXT CASE IS RATHER CASE NUMBER 11, . GOOD AFTERNOON, NOT A DISTRICT THREE FOR ONCE . GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEXA RATANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS LOCATED AT 4,400 STALL ROAD GOING FROM MF 33 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE FLEX SPACE WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 24 NOTICES SENT OUT. ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET IN NORTHERN HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET, THERE WAS NO RESPONSE. THE EXISTING MF 33 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE. FLEX SPACE IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. WHILE THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS STALL ROAD, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SITS AMID EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PROPOSED ZONING COULD ALLOW FOR POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME. WELL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, THE DEAL COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S AL [02:50:01] MONTE. 13 2 5 4 HUNTERS LARK. SO I HAVE A PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, I'M SURE EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH FLEX WAREHOUSING. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. UM, WE'VE DONE SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE AREA. IN THIS CASE, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, FOUR BUILDINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY CONTAIN ABOUT 12 UNITS. THE BUILDINGS ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS, MAXIMUM HEIGHT WILL BE ABOUT 18, UH, FEET. UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE PARKING LOT FOR 40 VEHICLES. OUR MAX CONSTRUCTION WILL BE NO MORE THAN 21,600 FEET AT THE MOST. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE DONE, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE AREA. THERE'S ONE ON THE SAME ROAD ON STALL ROAD AND, AND CLASSEN. AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A BENEFIT FOR THE AREA. WE ARE OFFERING THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SMALL WAREHOUSE WITH OFFICE, MAINLY FOR SMALL, SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE FROM SMALL, UM, CONTRACTORS AND MANY SMALL COMPANIES THAT HAVE, UH, LITTLE INVENTORY. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? UM, SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE POINTED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IS THAT THE AREAS CURRENTLY SEWN ARE THE LOT, I'M SORRY. IT'S CURRENTLY SO AS, UH, MULTIFAMILY 33, WHICH, UH, DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT WILL ALLOW POTENTIALLY UP TO 45 UNITS AND IT CAN BE UP TO FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT. AND THIS COULD PROBABLY BE UP TO 90 VEHICLES IN A PARKING. UH, ON THE CONTRARY, WE'RE KIND OF DOWNSIZING. WE'RE PROPOSING ONLY 12 UNITS AT THE MOST, AND I'M SAYING AT THE MOST, BECAUSE MANY TIMES, UH, USERS TAKE MORE THAN ONE UNIT, SO IT CAN BE EVEN LESS THAN THIS 12 UNITS, BUT NO MORE THAN THAT. AND WE'RE NOT HIGHER THAN 18 FEET, AS I MENTIONED. AND WE'RE ONLY DOING 21,000, UH, SQUARE FEET OF CONSTRUCTION AGAINST THE POTENTIAL 50 PLUS, UH, 50,000 PLUS UH, FEET. THAT, THAT, THAT COULD HAPPEN IN A MULTIFAMILY. SO WITH THIS, WE'RE HAVING LESS USERS. IT'S A SMALLER HEIGHT, SMALLER DENSITY, LESS SERVICES, NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC, NOT A LOT OF NOISE. THESE BUSINESSES ARE VERY QUIET. THEY GENERALLY WORK ON, UH, BUSINESS OPERATING HOURS, NINE TO FIVE AFTER FIVE. THERE'S NO NOISE, NO COM NO. UM, ANOTHER BENEFIT IS THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE METAL BUILDINGS. SO THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT COMBUSTING UH, THERE'S NOT DANGER FOR FIRE, WHICH COULD HAPPEN AS WE ALL KNOW WITH A MULTIFAMILY. WE DO HAVE SECURITY 24 7. UH, WE TRY TO FACE THE WHOLE PROJECT TOWARDS THE STREET AND AWAY FROM THE HOUSES THAT SURROUND US AND WE'RE VERY FAST AS, AS BUILDING THIS. SO IT'S LESS, UH, PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? SO THIS, THIS STALL ROAD, UH, HAS NOW PREDOMINANTLY, UH, BECOME COMMERCIAL OF THIS TYPE. I POINTED OUT A COUPLE OF, UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS ALONG STALL ROAD. I'M SORRY, LEMME, OH, I WAS PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON. SO, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE RIGHT HERE AND IF WE GO NORTH WE CAN SEE A COUPLE OF, UH, EXAMPLES LIKE THIS CASE WHERE WE DO HAVE, UH, THE SAME TYPE OF BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THIS IS OUR FOUR, ALL THIS. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER SMALL, UH, EXAMPLE HERE WHERE WE ALSO RA NEXT TO NEIGHBORING AREAS. AND, UH, I COULD EVEN SHOW ACROSS THE STREET HOW WE EVEN HAVE INDUSTRIAL, UH, USES RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? SO, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE SURROUNDINGS. UH, THERE ARE NEXT TO TWO HOUSES, AND SINCE THEY'RE VERY LOW IMPACT, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES. AND THIS, THIS LOT IN PARTICULAR HAS SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING THAT SURROUNDS IT, WHICH IS THIS GREEN AREA THAT IT'S UH, UM, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT, UH, IN THE CLOSER SECTION TO OUR NEIGHBORS IS AROUND 70 FEET PLUS. UH, THE PROJECT IS GONNA CONTEMPLATE ANOTHER, I BELIEVE 10 OR 15 FEET AWAY. UH, AND IN THE BACK, UH, WE HAVE AROUND A HUNDRED FEET AND IT OPENS UP TO ALMOST 200 FEET. UH, PLUS WE HAVE, UH, TREES THAT ALSO HELP US BLOCK EVEN ANY VIEWS THAT THEY COULD HAVE TOWARDS THE, THE, THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, OUR ONLY CONCERN WAS THIS NEIGHBOR RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A A, A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO US IS, IS THIS IS THIS POINT RIGHT HERE AND IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. UH, WE SPOKE TO NORTHERN HILLS, HOA, WE EXPLAINED THE PROJECT THE SAME WAY WE'RE EXPLAINING TO YOU AND THEY, THEY SHOWED NO CONCERNS. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY LIKED IT MORE TO HAVE SOMETHING COMMERCIAL OF THIS KIND AND TO HAVE UH, 50 40 PLUS, I'M SORRY, APARTMENTS IN THE AREA. SAME WITH COPPER BRANCH ACROSS THE STREET. MISSION, MISSION LANDSCAPE IS ON BOARD AS WELL. SAME, SAME UH, IDEA. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS [02:55:01] ALSO VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING HOUSES. THEY, THEY REALLY PREFER THAT WE HAVE THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT THEY ALREADY SEEN OPERATE IN THE AREA AND THEY'VE SEEN THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A CONFLICT FOR THEM. AND FOR THE LAST ONE, THEY WERE SO HAPPY THAT WE ARE GONNA BUILD THIS, THAT THEIR DAUGHTER EVEN MADE THIS DRAWING FOR US . SO I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT IT. AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I GOT AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. VEES. UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. SINCE THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU DON'T GET A REBUTTAL, BUT UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT 10 CASE COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S IT TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT MAYBE 25 QUESTIONS. I'M READY. UH, NO, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE, UH, LAYOUT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE PROJECT OTHER COUNCIL SUPPORT OF IT, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT OF IT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY UH, COMMENTS ON THAT. I DO WANT A QUESTION. YES. ISN'T IT TRUE THAT COUNCIL'S IN SUPPORT OF IT NEIGHBORHOODS SUPPORT COUNCIL? WHAT COUNCIL? COUNCILMAN NOT THE COUNCIL. OH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION. ALRIGHT. NO, I'M GONNA STOP NOW. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER BEL, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WHY? UM, AS PER STAFF REPORT, BASICALLY THIS AREA IS ALL RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA. I KNOW THAT LIKE, UM, MR. OCTAVIO HAD SAID THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET AND FURTHER UP NORTH ALONG STALL ROAD THAT WE ACTUALLY DID RECOMMEND SUPPORT FOR. BUT WE FELT LIKE AT THIS LOCATION, JUST BECAUSE IT IS, THERE'S NO EXISTING COMMERCIAL WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY. THAT'S WHY WE FELT THAT IT SHOULD STAY A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THEN SINCE WE'RE BACK TO ANOTHER CD, ANY CONDITIONS WE MIGHT CONSIDER IN ORDER TO ADDRESS BUFFERING CONCERNS OR COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS? UM, AGAIN, SINCE WE WERE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, WE WEREN'T RECOMMENDING ANY CONDITIONS ON IT, BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO UM, WITH, SO THERE ARE REGULATIONS CODE, UH, REGULATIONS, UM, AS UH, APPLICANT DID SAY THAT THE PROPERTY, UM, OH GOODNESS, WITH A C TWO, I THINK YOUR MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS ABOUT 25 FEET OR NO, I'M SORRY, YES, 25 FEET. UM, SO HEIGHT REGULATIONS ALSO, HE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A SOLID SCREEN FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE ABUTTING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE OF A 42 24 STALL ROAD. AND THEN, UM, BUFFERS WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED JUST BECAUSE, EXCEPT FOR THAT, AGAIN, THAT SECTION BUFFERING OR ABUTTING THE PROPERTY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. THERE ARE, I MEANT THE PROPERTY AROUND IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEY ARE, UM, GR ACTUAL GREEN SPACES, UM, THAT ARE DESIGNATED FROM THE PLAT AND UM, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE FORCED TO DO A BUFFER ALONG THOSE PROPERTY LINES TO THE WEST AND UH, SOUTH. SO, I MEAN, BUT SO FROM A, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THERE WOULDN'T, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CONDITIONS WE COULD IMPOSE? WELL AGAIN, IF WE WERE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THEN YES, WE COULD DO CONDITIONS. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONDITIONS. THAT IS GOING TO BE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AMEND OR ADD ANY. THAT IS UP TO Y'ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONS ON MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONS ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE A SECOND ROUND. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER WITS IT TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. I HAVE NO DISCUSSION. MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS THE APPLICANT HAS MADE ITS, UH, APPLICATION. ALRIGHT, SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. ALRIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES. SORRY YOU SAID RIGHT FIRST, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR, UH, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING. OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT SAYS YES. YES, YOU KNOW, SO. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER ELL, I JUST THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER COMING UP WITH STANDARD CONDITIONS ON, UH, CONDITIONAL USE AUTHORIZATIONS FOR THE FUTURE, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T, WE COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING. ONE, ONE THING WE CAN DO IS MAYBE GET, LET'S HAVE A WORK SESSION ABOUT THE SORT OF USUAL CONDITIONS THAT WE COME ACROSS. UH, IF WE COULD PUT THAT INTO, INTO ONE OF OUR FUTURE WORK SESSIONS, PLEASE. STAFF WILL DO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT DISCUSSION. [03:00:01] ALRIGHT. DID I ALREADY GO RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. ALRIGHT. UM, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION OF DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, UH, BY COMMISSIONER TSET WITH A SECOND BY HINOJOSA ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER HUI. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUEL. AYE. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION CARRIES AS AMENDED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD LUCK TO YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS DISCUSSION AND ELECTION OF OPEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ALTERNATE, UM, COMMISSIONER BARTOS WAS OUR ALTERNATE AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. AS COMMISSIONER BARDOS IS NO LONGER ON THE ZONING COMMISSION, WE HAVE AN OPEN POSITION FOR ALTERNATE. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS AND IN CASE ANYBODY WANTED TO ASK SI UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT PCDC OVERSEES. I WAS HOPING FOR THIS TO BE A BLIND DEAL. WE JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT UP A SACRIFICIAL LAMB , NO, COMMISSIONER SIPES, IF YOU WOULD. YEAH, USUALLY, UM, THE MEETINGS ARE WELL CATERED WITH, UH, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. WE HAVE, IT'S, IT'S , UM, THE TECHNO ADVISORY COMMISSION. WE LOOK, I WANNA SAY 99% OF THE TIME WE LOOK AT ROADS. UM, BUT COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT UDC AMENDMENTS AND THAT WILL MEAN SOME LONG HOURS. THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, I HAPPENED TO BE ON, ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL AND WE WOULD HAVE, I THINK WAS IT WEEKLY MEETINGS? IT WAS TOWARD THE END WEEKLY MEETINGS OF AT FOUR HOUR PLUS. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A COMMITMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE. UM, AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO, UM, UNLESS I CAN'T GO, BUT YOU COULD BE IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED. YES, YOU COULD BE IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED. THE ROOM. UM, AND OKAY, HOLD ON. I GOTTA GET MY MIND OFF OF, OFF OF HAMILTON FOR A SECOND BACK. SORRY. UM, BUT, UH, IT'S A, UM, YOU WILL BE, AS AN ALTERNATE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE AT THE TABLE TO HEAR ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, I BELIEVE, PARTICIPATE, BUT YOU JUST WON'T HAVE YOUR VOTE TALLIED. UM, BUT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY ENJOYED IT, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THINGS THAT AFFECT OUR CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO, ALRIGHT. YEAH, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SIPES IS NOT GONNA WASTE HIS SHOT. UM, SO , UM, NO, BUT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, COMMITTEE. IT, IT HELPS TO GUIDE AS COMMISSIONER SIPES POINTED OUT THE UDC, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GUIDE WHAT WE HEAR AS ZONING AND WHAT WE HEAR AT PLANNING AS WELL. SO, UM, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT EXPLANATION, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WHAT DAYS LOOKING LEFT, WHAT HOURS? SO IT DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, UNLIKE ZONING AND PLANNING THAT HAVE REGULATED, AND BY REGULATED I MEAN IN THE REGULATIONS OF THE UDC MEETING TIMES AND DAYS OR MEETING DAYS AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN FOR THE P-C-T-A-C. UM, BUT TYPICALLY COMMISSIONER SIPES, WHAT IT, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS A, UH, A LIKE A POLL IS SENT OUT WITH LIKE THREE OPTIONS OR FOUR OPTIONS AND THEN IT'S LIKE WHICHEVER ONE THEY FIND IS THE MOST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE MOST. YEAH. ATTEND, WELL, THEY'LL GET THE BEST ATTENDANCE THEN THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ONE WE'RE GONNA DO IT. NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE UDC, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, LIKE AT ONE OF THE MEETING BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING UDC AMENDMENTS, UM, A CALENDAR WILL BE PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS, WE'RE GONNA MEET MONDAY MORNINGS. IT MIGHT BE, OR IT MIGHT BE FRIDAY MORNINGS, BUT, BUT THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A DISCUSSION BEFORE THOSE MEETINGS ARE ACTUALLY SET. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LOOKING [03:05:01] LEFT, SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER NOMINATE. COMMISSIONER DUEL. ALRIGHT. THERE WAS A NOMINATION FOR COMMISSIONER DUEL. OH MAN. I WAS THINKING I THIRD . SO I I DID PROMISE MY WIFE I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE ON ANY OTHER, SO SORRY, LET, LET ME, HOW OFTEN ARE YOU NOT AVAILABLE? I HAVE NOT MISSED A MEETING IN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS. I'VE ALMOST ALWAYS ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE AND I MEAN, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, HOW OFTEN ARE THE MEETINGS? UM, THEY'RE THE WEEKEND OR IN THE EVENINGS OR WHAT? WHEN ARE THEY'RE THEY'RE USUALLY, THEY'RE USUALLY IN THE MORNINGS. UM, AND WE HAVE COFFEE. UM, BUT UH, THEY'RE, I JUST WANT, I MEAN THEY'RE RANDOM TO BE HONEST. AND IT'S, AND IT'S SOMETIMES ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS, YOU KNOW. AND THEN, BUT WHEN UDC HAPPENS, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT YEAR, THEN THAT WILL BE A COUPLE MONTHS OF ONCE A WEEK MEETINGS. BUT AGAIN, AS AN ALTERNATE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ALL OF 'EM. YOU CAN PICK THE ONE YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS REALLY AN INTERESTING TOPIC I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA SHOW UP FOR THAT. I HOPE I DON'T GET IN TROUBLE. UM, I'LL SAY IT WAS FORCED ON ME. WE'LL GIVE YOU A NOTE FOR YOUR WIFE. ? NO, UH, JUST TO, TO CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE PAST COUPLE OF PCT MEETINGS, UH, BECAUSE OF MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR PLAN AMENDMENTS AND SO JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER SIPES IS SAYING RIGHT NOW, IT'S A VERY QUIET TIME FOR THEM. THEY'RE ONLY HEARING THINGS LIKE MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR AMENDMENTS, WHICH ARE PRETTY RARE. UM, SO MAYBE ONCE A MONTH, ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH AT THIS POINT. YEAH. AND IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND PROBABLY THE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR BECAUSE UDC AMENDMENT STUFF WON'T REALLY KICK OFF UNTIL MAYBE LATER NEXT YEAR. YEAH. UM, AND, AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE A LOT OF LOGAN AND THE DSD TEAM AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA COME IN AND GIVE YOU ALL THE RUNDOWN OF WHAT THEIR PROPOSED TIMELINE IS FOR ALL OF THAT. SO IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE BLINDSIDED IN ANY WAY. YOU'LL KNOW WHEN EVERYTHING IS COMING. OKAY. ALRIGHT, I'LL, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR ANY FURTHER NOMINATIONS. BE QUIET. NO, SORRY. UH, ANY FURTHER NOMINATIONS? HEARING NONE. LOOK, SEEING NONE. LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER DUO'S APPOINTMENT TO THE PE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS AN ALTERNATE? SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. ALRIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER DVE. UM, OUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES. UH, ANY CHANGES, AMENDMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER SIPES. GOT IT? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT, WHO IS A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE A, UH, THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING? SAY AYE. A AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALRIGHT, THAT BEING THE END OF OUR ITEMS, IS THERE ANY DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO REPORT. ALRIGHT. THE TIME IS FOUR 15 AND THIS MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.