* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:04] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? IN SINO HERE. VELASQUEZ GALLOWAY. ZUKA. AVADA VASQUEZ. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND? HERE. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, ES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL OF BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, WE CAN GET RIGHT TO IT. UM, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCREEN, WE HAVE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM THREE AS A NOTE HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, WE DO HAVE, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKER SIGNED UP. UM, FOR I GUESS FIRST LET'S PLAY THE VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO AND THEN WE'LL GO TO IN PERSON FOR ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT, THIS IS BETTY BOUCHER, FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, LEAVING A STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE, THE SOCIETY PRESIDENT FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION. ITEM NUMBER TWO, HDR, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2 25. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE PLACEMENT OF THE DIGITAL SIGN, WHICH PROJECTS ABOVE THE PARAPET OF THE BUILDING AT 1 0 1 BOWIE STREET. UNLIKE THE OTHER DIGITAL SIGNS WE HAVE REVIEWED, THE PROPOSED DESIGN FAILS TO ACHIEVE INTEGRATION WITH THE BUILDING INTO WHICH IT IS BEING ATTACHED. WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE SIGN AT THIS PROMINENT ENTRY POINT TO DOWNTOWN LOOKS SO MUCH LIKE A STANDARD ROOF-MOUNTED BILLBOARD, AND WE ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO SEND THIS REQUEST BACK TO THE DESIGNER FOR REVISION. WE ALSO QUESTION WHY THE ADDITION OF THE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS FOR ORANGE BARREL MEDIA IS NOT SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE SIGN REVIEW AS PART OF THE OVERALL BUILDING SIGNAGE, SINCE IT IS NOT PART OF THE DIGITAL SIGN. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, ELIZABETH. BETTER PRESIDENT ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UM, THE FIRST IS PAM CARPENTER, MS. CAR, OR IT'S JUST PAM CARPENTER. UM, SHE'LL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. BIANCA MALDONADO AND TOM SPARKS ARE ALSO HERE AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. [00:05:04] MY NAME'S PAM CARPENTER, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE 10 MEMBER MPNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNERS RECENT EFFORTS TO STABILIZE THE PROPERTY AT 4 62 MARY LOUISE DRIVE, UM, FOR IT'S TO ADDRESS THE PROPERTIES, UM, TO STABILIZE THIS PROPERTY, ADDRESS THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, AND TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE VACANT BUILDING STANDARDS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE LONG HISTORY WITH THE SITE WHERE SOME OF THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT REQUIRED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SOME WORK HAS STAGNATED AND SOME WORK IS TRYING TO PROCEED. UM, ON MAY 29TH, 2007, THE CURRENT OWNER RECEIVED A CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PERMIT, AP NUMBER 1 3 7 5 9 6 0 FOR IN KIND REPLACEMENT OF FAULTY STUCCO ON THE GARAGE. SAME COLOR, SAME MATERIAL. NOTABLY, NO GARAGE EXISTS TODAY. SOME HISTORIC SALES RECORDS FROM 2006 SHOW THAT A GARAGE WAS PRESENT AND SANDBORN MAPS CONFIRMED THAT AN ORIGINAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ONCE STOOD ON THE PROPERTY AS AN ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, ITS DEMOLITION WOULD HAVE REQUIRED BOTH A PERMIT AND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IT REMAINS UNCLEAR WHEN AND WHY THE GARAGE DISAPPEARED DURING THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP. ORIGINAL GARAGES SHOULD NOT SIMPLY VANISH. THIS GAP IN THE RECORD IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY NOW TODAY THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RECONSTRUCT THE MISSING STRUCTURE. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE NEW GARAGE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRY BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AND BE HISTORIC IN CHARACTER. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT HISTORIC DETAILING BE INCORPORATED. SPECIFICALLY CARRIAGE STYLE DOORS WITH WINDOWS AND APPROPRIATE FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO THE WEST ELEVATION. THE DOORS ON THE SUBMITTED ELEVATIONS FOR THE GARAGE LOOK RATHER PLAIN AND MODERN, AND THE GARAGE DOORS WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY REGARDING THE DRIVE LANE TO THE GARAGE. THIS SUBMISSION DOES NOT INCLUDE DIMENSIONS OF THE DRIVE AISLE OR THAT DRIVEWAY APRON. THIS SHOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC HOMES NEARBY. WE ALSO NOTE THAT SOME OF THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO IT, UM, HAS BEEN PARTIALLY MISSING FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. THIS WASHOUT IMPEDES PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND PRESENTS A TRIP HAZARD. I'VE PERSONALLY STRUGGLED WITH IT, ESPECIALLY AFTER DARK. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT OHP STAFF AND HDRC ADDRESS THE DRIVEWAY DIMENSIONS AND COORDINATE THE REPLACEMENT OF THIS PIECE OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE DRIVE APRON. AS PART OF THIS CASE, WE MUST ALSO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT INCONSISTENCIES AMONG APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED OVER TIME. IN 2007, AN APPLICATION DESCRIBE REPAIRS TO AN EXISTING GARAGE. AS WE JUST MENTIONED, TODAY'S APPLICATION PROPOSES AN ENTIRELY NEW STRUCTURE. ALSO, IN JUNE, 2025, THE PROPERTY RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR A NEW POOL, YET THE POOL'S NOT REFLECTED IN THIS CURRENT SITE PLAN. AND IN APRIL OF 2025, THE HDRC APPROVED A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOUSE. OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PIECEMEAL MANNER IN WHICH THESE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN HDRC THROUGHOUT THIS CONSTRUCTION CAMPAIGN. EXECUTION AND COORDINATION OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CRITICAL TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE ON THIS BLOCK. THIS HOME HAS BEEN UNINHABITABLE FOR MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT IN HELPING THE COMMUNITY BRING THIS PROPERTY BACK INTO COMPLIANCE AND BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. WE ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE OUR STIPULATIONS AS WELL FOR SIDEWALK RECONSTRUCTION, DRIVEWAY APRON RECONSTRUCTION, AND SOME HISTORIC CHARACTER TO THE GARAGE. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL AGENDA ITEMS. UM, TWO, EIGHT AND 11. TWO EIGHT AND 11. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? [00:10:01] 11 WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY ALREADY. YEP. SORRY. ALL HEARING NO OTHERS. CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEMS. 1, 3 3, I'M SORRY. OH, SORRY. 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND NINE. ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. AND IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. BASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS ONE 14 CAMP STREET, 9 0 1 ALITOS 1431 EAST COMMERCE ONE 10 WESTWOOD 1829 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS AND 1511 WEST LINWOOD. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] UM, COMMISSIONERS. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 2 1 0 1 BUOY. UM, THE APPLICANT, NICK POWELL IS HERE, UH, WITH US VIRTUALLY AS WELL AS UNI SADI, UM, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL, UH, PULL UP THE MOST RECENT, UM, RENDERING OF THIS. AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE, UH, HDRC SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. AND SO IF A COMMISSIONER WHO WAS PRESENT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW, UM, OR A SUMMARY OF THAT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START. YES. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS ON THAT DRC AND WE DISCUSSED THE, UM, IS THIS THE LATEST PROPOSAL, EDWARD? UH, I BELIEVE SO. UH, NICK, UH, IF YOU WANNA JUMP ON AND JUST CONFIRM THAT THIS IS THE MOST RECENT, BUT, UH, YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THIS IS CAN YOU ADVANCE IT ONE PAGE? YES. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE REVIEWED WHERE IT'S ABOVE THE BELT COURSE, UH, NEAR THE PARAPET, UM, QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND, UH, I THINK THERE, THE APPLICANT WAS GONNA GO BACK AND CHECK ON THEM WAS, UH, WHETHER THE SOUTH END OF THE SIGN, UH, ALIGNS WITH THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE PARAPET AND NOT EXTEND THE OUT TO THE WIDTH OF THE BELT COURSE. AND ALSO WHETHER THE, UH, NORTH END OF THE SIGN IS, UH, ALIGNS WITH A VERTICAL, UH, PANEL JOINT OF THE, THE FACADE BELOW. AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE ADDED SMALL SIGN BELOW, UM, WITH THE SIGN COMPANY'S NAME, WHETHER THAT IS, UH, ACTUALLY REQUIRED. AND, UH, THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, ON THAT SIGNAGE. AND, UH, WE CAN GET TO THAT, UH, A LITTLE SHORTLY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS WHY IS THE SIGNAGE NOT INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING'S ARCHITECTURE, LIKE OTHER SIGNAGE? IS THERE SOMEONE THAT CAN ANSWER THAT OR IS THAT JUST STAFF? I, I CAN ABSOLUTELY ANSWER THAT. UM, MY NAME'S YNA. I'M, I'M THE ARCHITECT AT ORANGE BARREL. UM, IF YOU COULD ADVANCE THIS OR TURN IT BACK TO PAGE FOUR. I'M SORRY. UM, UH, DO YOU WANT IT'S THE MARKET ANALYSIS PAGE. IT, YOU, YOU, UH, ONE MORE. THERE YOU GO. SO WE, UM, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, WE STUDY PLACEMENT IN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DIGITAL MODEL TO UNDERSTAND THE VISIBILITY. AND THE ISSUE HERE IS THIS BANK OF TREES. SO IF WE LOWER IT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY SITE HAS ITS OWN VIEW SHED. AND FOR THIS SITE, UM, IF WE WERE TO LOWER IT TO BE A, YOU KNOW, FULLY WITHIN THE BUILDING FACE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE TREES WOULD BLOCK MOST OF THE VISIBILITY. SO TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE, WE HAD TO LIFT IT. BUT WE DID, UM, WE DID ADDRESS THE ALIGNMENT ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED. UM, SO AT HDC, UH, A FEW, A FEW WEEKS AGO, UM, SO THE SOUTH END IS ALIGNED WITH THE BUILDING MASS. UM, AND, UH, THE NORTH END DOES ALIGN WITH [00:15:01] THE BUILDING, UM, REVEALS. AND THEN WE HAVE WRAPPED THE WHOLE THING IN A, IN A SHEET METAL, UH, TRIM THAT MATCHES THE BUILDING. SO WE DID, WE DID, UM, YES, WE DID WORK TO, TO REMEDY SOME OF THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE IT IS NOT PART OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE, WE MADE IT ALIGNED WITH THE BUILDING. AND IF YOU GO ONE MORE PAGE, SO WE, WE SORT OF ALIGNED WITH THE BUILDING ORGANIZATION, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE WAY WE INTEGRATED IT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE OF THE, OF THE SIGN ON THE SOUTH END ALIGNS WITH THE BUILDING, NOT THE BELT COURSE, BUT THE BUILDING MASS. THE RIGHT SIDE ALIGNS WITH SOME OF THE REVEALS, AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF IT FEEL SIMILAR TO THE BANDING THAT IS THERE ON THE BUILDING. AND MA'AM, THE MAIN REASON WAS THE TREES. THE, THE SIGN IS COVERED BY THE TREES UPON APPROACH. YES. THE COMMERCIAL VALUE IS DRIVEN BY THE VEHICULAR VISIBILITY AND THE, AND THE APPROACH, THE TREES BLOCK IT, RIGHT? SO IF WE LOOK AT IT IN THE, IN THE DRIVE, UM, THE TREES BLOCK IT UNTIL YOU GET RIGHT HERE, UNTIL YOU GET JUST PAST THE CLUMP OF TREES. AND, UM, FOR A SIGN TO BE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE, IT, IT HAS TO HAVE A LONGER, WHAT WE CALL ADVERTISING READ. IT HAS TO HAVE A LONGER, UH, DURATION OF VISIBILITY. AND YOU DIDN'T THINK BY LOWERING IT, IT'D STILL BE VERY VISIBLE, UM, WHILE STILL COMMERCIALLY VIABLE AND, UM, NOT SO DISRUPTIVE AS IT IS. WELL, WELL, THAT'S CORRECT. IF WE LOWERED IT, THE TREES WOULD BLOCK THE VISIBILITY FOR MOST OF THE VEHICULAR PATH, AND YOU WOULD ONLY SEE IT WHEN YOU GOT RIGHT UP TO IT, WHICH IS NOT REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS NOT REALLY OPTIMAL FOR, UM, LIKE, WE DON'T LIKE THE SIGNS TO JUMP OUT AT YOU. WE LIKE THEM TO FEEL LIKE PART OF THE LARGER CONTEXT. WELL, IT'S JUMPING OUT AS IT IS OR AS THE WAY YOU'RE PROPOSING. UM, I WOULD THINK INTEGRATING IT FURTHER DOWN, UH, WOULD BE A MORE, UH, MORE NATURAL. BUT, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, UH, ABOUT THE SIGN BELOW THE SIGN, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS CONCLUDED AT THE DRC, BUT WHAT WAS THE ANSWER ON THAT? WELL, I CAN SAY, UM, WHAT I CAN SAY THAT THIS IS FOR US. I, I, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE ECHO I'M GETTING. UM, FOR US, THIS IS JUST INDUSTRY STANDARD. UH, ALL ADVERTISERS, ALL ALL MEDIA COMPANIES DO THIS. SHOULD ANYTHING GO WRONG WITH THE SIGN, THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWS WHO TO, WHO TO CONTACT, RIGHT? UM, SO WHAT WE DID, WE HEARD THE COMMENTS AT HDRC INITIALLY, AND WE PAIRED DOWN THE DESIGN OF IT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE MADE IT MORE ELEGANT. WE'VE MADE IT THESE CHANNEL LETTERS INSTEAD OF A SIGN BOX. UM, BUT THAT WAS OUR RESPONSE. THIS IS, UH, RACHEL PARISH. I'M OVER THE SIGN TEAM RIGHT NOW. UM, SO TO HAVE THE SEPARATE SIGN, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PERMIT. UM, THAT SIGN WOULD NEED TO BE INTEGRATED, BUT IT IS PART OF THE REVIEW THAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE ACTUAL SIGN PERMIT. SO, UM, THE WAY THAT IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED INSIDE THE SIGN TO COUNT AS ONE SIGN. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A THANK YOU THAT THAT HELPS ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT DO THE OTHER SIGNS, THE OTHER DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AROUND TOWN HAVE THE SAME KIND OF, UM, SECOND SIGNAGE. SORRY, I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MICROPHONE OVER THERE. SO, UM, YES. UH, THE OTHER SIGNS AROUND TOWN DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE SIGN, UM, FOR THEIR COMPANY. IT'S INTEGRATED WITHIN THE SIGN AS WELL. SO YOU WILL MAKE, OR YOUR OFFICE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INTEGRATED. YES, IT'S PART OF THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS, OTHERWISE IT'S CONSIDERED A SEPARATE SIGN. OKAY. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. YES. JUST TO FOLLOW UP, UH, KIND OF HELP, UH, ANSWER, UH, THE QUE THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE FIRST DRC THAT WE HAD WITH THIS, THE SIGN WAS PRESENTED THERE WHERE YOU WERE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING IT AND IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL. 'CAUSE IT INTER, IT IMPEDED THE, UH, THE COLOR OF THE SQUARES THAT WERE THERE. UM, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER NOW, BUT IT DOESN'T, STILL DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD. BUT, UH, SO YEAH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THERE WAS RENDERINGS OF IT DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM AND AT THE DRCE WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THAT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK THERE. SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK UP HERE, MS. PARRISH. AH, OKAY. UM, ARE THESE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS REQUIRED TO HAVE THE COMPANY NAME ON THEM? UM, NOT FOR OUR CODE. UM, BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME [00:20:01] ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. STATE LEVEL, FEDERAL LEVEL, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT PART. ON OURS, WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO NECESSARILY HAVE THE LOGO ON THERE, BUT IT IS STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE THE COMPANY NAME ON THERE, ON THE SIGNAGE FOR EXACTLY THE REASONS THAT THEY SAID IT IS STANDARD PRACTICE, IF NOT REQUIRED. OKAY. SO ALL THE ONES THAT WE'VE REVIEWED SO FAR, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS SHOWN THE COMPANY NAME ON ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, DIGITAL SIGN EXTERNAL TO THE SIGN? UM, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY'VE EXPLICITLY SHOWN WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL OF THEM WITHIN THE PERMIT ITSELF, BUT MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE INCLUDED SOMEWHERE ON THAT SIGN, BUT THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THE CORRECT, APPROVED, IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THAT SIGN. MM-HMM . YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU CRAIG. SO, MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK ONE MORE? GO AHEAD. YEAH, SURE. UH, WOULD IT, IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT FOR STICKING THAT SECOND SIGN BE BEHIND IT SO WHOEVER IS UH, CONCERNED ABOUT IT NEEDING REPAIR OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO WITH IT CAN KNOW TO CALL THIS COMPANY? I HAVEN'T, FROM THE SIGN AND BACK OF IT, INSTEAD OF IT BEING IN THE FRONT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THIS ONE'S SET UP IS A LITTLE UNIQUE, UM, IN THAT YOU HAVE A PART OF THE BACK THAT'S EXPOSED. FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE EITHER DOUBLE SIDED OR THEY'RE UP AGAINST SOMETHING. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D NECESSARILY HAVE PRECEDENT. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. UM, AND JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, CONSISTENCY, RIGHT? ALL THE OTHER SIGNS DON'T HAVE A SECOND SIGN ON THEM. SO I, UH, RIGHT, AND THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY SEPARATED FROM THE SIGN. UM, SO A LOT OF TIMES IT WON'T BE LIKE WITHIN THE SIGN ITSELF, BUT IT'S INCLUDED IN THE SIGN AREA BECAUSE IT'S STILL ATTACHED TO IT. AND WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE, THE TOTAL AREA OF THE SIGN. SO IT MAY NOT BE ON TOP OF THE ADVERTISEMENT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S UNDERNEATH, UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THAT TOTAL AREA OF THE SIGN. YES, WE GOOD. COULD I PROPOSE SOMETHING, UM, IF WE MADE THAT FRAME A LITTLE DEEPER ON THE BOTTOM OR THE TOP AND WE INCORPORATED THE TEXT INTO THE FRAME, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? NO, I THINK WHAT, UM, WHAT MAKES THIS INTERESTING IS BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIGNS THAT WE'VE REVIEWED, UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOUR SIGNAGE IS YOUR, YOUR ADVERTISING OF YOUR COMPANY IS THERE ON OTHER ONES. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AT ALL. AND THAT'S WHAT MADE THIS ONE STAND OUT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S BEING KIND OF LIKE A POINT OF CONTENTION AMONGST THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON OTHER SIGNS. NOW I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED AND THE FACT THAT YOU SAY, WELL, WE WANNA KNOW, WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, WHO TO CONTACT, WE KNOW WHO TO CONTACT. I'M SURE THE BUILDING KNOWS WHO TO CONTACT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH THE SIGN. SO IT'S ABOUT YOUR NAME BEING THERE, SO, SO OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT'S CREATING AN ISSUE THERE. SO I THINK HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM IN THAT RESPECT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT I WAS NEEDING HELP WITH. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, FOR STAFF? COULD WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE STREET VIEWS COMING UP THE STREET? I KNOW THAT IN REVIEWING OTHER SIGNS, THIS IS REALLY THE, THE FIRST ONE WE'VE SEEN THAT APPEARS TO BE MORE LIKE A BILLBOARD AS OPPOSED TO INTEGRATING INTO THE FACADE OF THE SIGN. YOU HAVE DONE SOME, UH, DETAILS THAT, UH, RELATE TO SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE FACADE, BUT IT STILL DOES READ AS A BILLBOARD. AND, UM, IF THE, UM, IF THE 200 FEET VIEW OF THE, OF THE SIGN IS, IS NOT, DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE, THEN MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT BUILDING. UM, TRYING TO FORCE IT INTO THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, IN THE APPROACH SEEMS, UM, UH, COUNTERINTUITIVE AND CONTRARY TO THE, UM, THE, UM, ORDINANCE. [00:25:01] WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT, MA'AM? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE SITE AND WE PLACED THE SIGN WHERE IT WASN'T FACING THE RIVERWALK. WE PLACED IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE KIND OF RESPECT FOR THE CONTEXT OF THE PLACE, AND THIS WAS THE BEST LOCATION ON THIS BUILDING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES MA'AM. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE, MA'AM. I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE DENY THE APPLICATION SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. UM, TO, TO THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE, I THINK, UM, THEY'RE ALL VERY SOLID. WE TALK ABOUT THE FRAME WITH THE BI, THE, THE BUSINESS NAME ON IT. THE FRAME IS INTEGRAL TO THE SIGNAGE, RIGHT? IT WRAPS AROUND THE SIGNAGE AND THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS HAPPENS TO BE ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING BEING INTEGRAL OR INTEGRATED. AND THAT FRAME, THE COMPANY FRAME IS INTEGRAL TO THE MESSAGE ADVERTISING MESSAGE. THE SAME IS NOT TRUE FOR THE SIGNS RELATIONSHIP TO THE BUILDING. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING INTEGRATED, BEING AN INTEGRAL PORTION, FUNDAMENTAL PORTION OF SOMETHING AND MERELY BEING ATTACHED. SO THE, THE, THE BILLBOARD ANALOGY REALLY IS, IS FITTING. AND SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WITH THE TREES, IMAGINE IF THE TREES WERE NOT THERE, PERHAPS THERE'S A BUILDING THERE. AND IF THERE HAD BEEN A BUILDING IN THOSE, IN THAT PLACE, WOULD ONE SAY, OH, I'VE GOTTA MOVE MY SIGN OUT BECAUSE THERE IS A BUILDING IN FRONT AND WE, IT IMPEDES THE VIEW. SO IT'S, THIS IS A CASE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION JUST HASN'T BEEN PROPERLY, UH, DETERMINED FOR THIS PRODUCT AND ON THIS BUILDING. SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF MY MOTION. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, FOR CITY STAFF, HOW, WHAT, WHAT INPUT DO YOU HAVE ON DETERMINING WHERE THIS SIGN WAS PROPOSED? SO AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, I'M SORRY. OKAY. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT GUIDANCE AS FAR AS EXACTLY WHERE THE SIGN IS LOCATED, ONLY THE SIZING REQUIREMENTS OF IT AND THAT IT CANNOT IMPEDE EMERGENCY EGRESS. OKAY. SO FOR THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU MIGHT WANNA LEAN IN AND PROBABLY HAVE SOME SORT OF GENERAL OVERALL GUIDANCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE SLAPPING THIS UP THERE, I KNOW THAT THE CLIENT WORKED WITH THE, WITH THE CITY, THEY, WE GAVE 'EM COMMENTS, THEY MOVED IT AROUND. UM, WE TRIED TO MAKE IT FIT, BUT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE A BILLBOARD. IT IS A BILLBOARD. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT PROJECTED GROWTH? WHAT IF ANOTHER BUILDING COMES UP, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAYS? I MEAN, ARE YOU GUYS THINKING ABOUT THAT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE? FUTURE BUILDINGS, DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH, PROJECT, MARBLE, ALL THAT OTHER JUNK? RIGHT. AND SO BECAUSE THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, A LOT OF THE REASON THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM IS TO GO AND FIND, UM, A LOT OF THESE HICCUPS THAT WE ARE SEEING NOW, SO THAT IF THIS DOES BECOME A PERMANENT PROGRAM, WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT. OKAY. I HOPE THAT GETS DONE. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HAS SAID EVERYTHING THAT I, THAT I WANTED TO CONVEY. SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD, SIR. AND, UM, I, THAT BROUGHT UP ONE LAST POINT THAT I HAD, UM, COME TO MIND. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THOSE TREES DO GROW? DO YOU KEEP RAISING THE SIGN ON THE CITY SIDE? NO, I MEAN, IT WOULD NOT BE UP TO US. IF THE SIGN COMPANY WANTED TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, AND THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE PILOT PROGRAM. SO, SO THEN IT'S GONNA BE OUT OF THE VIEW AGAIN AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE IT UP AND THEN KEEP RAISING IT TO THE HEAVENS AND NO, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DENIED. SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. SINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. VASQUEZ? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. , ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, 4 62. MARY LOUIS, THE APPLICANT, UH, RAMON TORRES IS HERE VIRTUALLY. UM, HE'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. RAMON, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M SORRY. HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, THIS IS RAMON TORRES. I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. WE [00:30:01] HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, I THINK YOU ANSWERED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR A YEAR, BUT YES, SIR. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GARAGE? YES. SO I KNOW I, I MEAN, I KIND OF KNOW THE STORY. MIND YOU, I CAN'T VERIFY, UH, THIS IS COMING FROM THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? WELL, TELL YOUR VERSION. YEAH, SHE'S AN ELDERLY LADY. UH, SHE WENT THROUGH A VERY, VERY, UH, BIG DIVORCE IN THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS. UM, THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE BOUGHT IT FROM, FROM A GENTLEMAN, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT FLIPPED A HOUSE. UM, SO SHE HAS BEEN IN A LONG BATTLE WITH ONE WITH HER EX-HUSBAND, WITH CONTRACTORS AND WHATNOT. SO SHE ACTUALLY FOUND ME ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED SUBMITTING, UH, FROM DIFFERENT, UH, CER UH, COAS. UH, AND WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF EVOLVING. LIKE SHE, SHE THROWS DIFFERENT STUFF AT ME ALL THE TIME. LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I WANNA DO A GARAGE, I WANNA DO A POOL. WE WERE JUST SUPPOSED TO KIND OF, UM, FINISH OR, OR DO THE REHAB ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE. UH, BUT IT'S EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER. RIGHT. UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE POOL, ON THE DRAWINGS, UH, WE DO HAVE A PERMIT THAT IS FOR A POOL, BUT IT'S FOR AN INDOOR POOL, WHICH IS BELOW THE ADDITION, UH, WHERE THAT, THAT WE'RE BUILDING THAT YOU SEE ON THE PICTURES. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT REFLECTING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN. WELL, MY QUESTION WAS, WAS REALLY ABOUT WHEN, WHAT THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE WAS, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP ANOTHER, UH, CONCERN, WHICH WOULD BE AN INDOOR POOL, AND WOULD THAT BE A DSD CONCERN? I KNOW THIS ISN'T WITHIN PURVIEW OF, UH, OHP, BUT IS THERE ANYONE FROM DSD THAT OR THAT Y'ALL REFER THEM TO? WE DO HAVE A PERMIT, YEAH. I, I MEAN, FOR AN INDOOR POOL, I, YES, SIR. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED AS FAR AS THE GET INDOOR POOL GOES, BUT THE, THE PRESIDENT REQUEST IS FOR THE, THE GARAGE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. TORRES, BUT DO, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED TO THIS GARAGE THAT WAS, UM, I GUESS PULLED DOWN SOMETIME ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO? NO, SIR. I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT I, I, SO THE OWNER BOUGHT IT IN OH SEVEN. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT WAS UP. I, I HONESTLY, I MEAN, I CAN ASK, BUT I DON'T, I DO NOT RECALL. DOES ANYONE WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH, DOES ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUSPICION WHEN THE, UH, GARAGE WAS DEMOLISHED, MS. CARPENTER OR 2007? I'M SORRY. ANYBODY SPEAKING, COME UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THIS VI UH, DEMOLITION WAS REPORTED TO OHP. SO I WAS, UM, AS A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED IT WASN'T IN THE CASE HISTORY BECAUSE THERE IS A HISTORY IN THE HANSEN SYSTEM OF THE PERMIT BEING ISSUED. WE GAVE YOU THE AP NUMBER WHERE A C OF A WAS OBTAINED TO DO REPAIRS TO THAT GARAGE. SO AT SOME POINT WHEN REPAIRS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WHAT OCCURRED WAS A DEMOLITION INSTEAD. UM, I DO KNOW THERE WAS A FORMER RESIDENT ON THAT BLOCK THAT DID RAISE CONCERN MULTIPLE TIMES. UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN OUTSTANDING ISSUE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONCERNS ON THIS PROPERTY. THE GOAL IS TO OBVIOUSLY GET TO A RESOLUTION OF COURSE. SO REMIND ME ONE MORE TIME WHEN YOU SAID THE REPAIRS WERE ALLOWED IN 2007 AND WE PROVIDED THE AP NUMBER. UM, THE PERMIT NUMBER AND THE HANSON SYSTEM IS 1 3 7 5 9 6 0. YOU CAN'T PULL CFAS THAT FAR BACK. UM, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE'S A CITY PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED ON MAY 29TH, 2007 INDICATES THAT THERE WAS A C OF A THAT WAS ALSO ISSUED FOR THOSE REPAIRS, BUT THERE IS NO PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE AND THERE WAS NO PERMIT FOR OR SO WE ASSUMED THERE'S NO C OF A 'CAUSE. IT JUST DISAPPEARED. THANK YOU. AND, UH, THE NE WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, SO I, I WAS TRYING TO DOCUMENT YOUR CONCERNS. UM, BEING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS HOUSE IS IN, UH, IT WAS THE CARRIAGE STYLE DOORS, CORRECT? ONE MM-HMM . TWO FENESTRATION ON THE WEST SIDE. WINDOWS ON THE WESTERN WINDOWS, THERE'S NO WINDOWS. THERE'S JUST TWO GARAGE DOORS AND A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS DOOR. OKAY. TO THE GARAGE RENDERING, THERE'S JUST WALLS, UHHUH . SO WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A STORAGE UNIT. OKAY. AND THEN THREE WAS THE SIDEWALK AND APRON RECONSTRUCTION? YES. IF YOU LOOK FROM GOOGLE EARTH FROM STEP TO THE MIC, PLEASE, MA'AM, THEN I CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF. IF YOU LOOK FROM GOOGLE EARTH FROM THE STREET, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE'S A SEGMENT OF DRIVEWAY MISSING, [00:35:01] UM, NEXT TO THE APRON. AND SO THE SIDEWALK IS DISCONTINUOUS AND IT'S VERY ROUGH AND IT HOLDS WATER AND IT'S JUST VERY CHALLENGING TO DIVERSE. WE JUST HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE FALLEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, YES. IN THAT GOOGLE VIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY AND APRON HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THAT IT'S JUST GRAVEL, WHICH ALSO AFFECTED PART OF THE, UH, SIDEWALK. IS THAT ON, I SEE ON THE SIDE PLAN THAT IT SAYS EXISTING DRIVE AND EXISTING APPROACH. UH, IS THERE ANY INTENTION TO REPLACE THAT APRON? SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAY? YEAH. YES, SIR. AND I ACTUALLY JUST NOTED, I PULLED OUT THE PLANES AND NOTICED THAT IT'D BE, UM, THE DESIGNER PUT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. BUT YES, WE ARE PLANNING, UH, TO DO THE, THE WHOLE APPROACH, UM, AND, AND THE, AND THE DRIVEWAY LEADING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, UH, TO THE GARAGE. SO STAFF WOULD THAT I CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES YES. STAFF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A, A NEW APPLICATION FOR A DRIVE AND APPROACH? UH, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. SO, UM, IF THE, UH, MR. TORRES, THE, YOU CAN SUBMIT A APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, STAFF WOULD REVIEW THE SIZE OF THE APRON AS WELL AS THE, THE DRIVEWAY. UM, AND JUST TO NOTE TOO, I, I DID LOOK AT THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND IT'S BEEN IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION SINCE 2007 AS WELL. SO, UM, UH, MODIFICATION OF THAT WOULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, SO LONG AS IT MEETS THE, UM, UH, THE THRESHOLD DESCRIBED IN GUIDELINES. MM-HMM . ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I WILL MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. UM, LET ME GO BACK TO STEPH'S RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THIS FOR COA OR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? COA. OKAY. COA. UM, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION OF, UH, APPROPRIATE SIZE WINDOW WINDOWS BE ADDED TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT MEET, UM, THE GUIDELINES AND REVIEWED BY STAFF. AND CAN I ADD A, ARE YOU DONE? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR MOTION? YES. CAN I ASK THAT YOU ADD A CARRIAGE STYLE DOOR OR APPROPRIATE DOOR TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE? YES. THERE WERE A CHARACTERISTIC OF DETAILS HISTORICALLY, CORRECT. SO, SO WE HAVE A STIPULATION ABOUT MATERIAL. IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY CARRIAGE STYLE, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME HAVE SOME SORT OF LIKE BEAM APPEARANCE, BUT THAT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. WE WOULD WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION WITH HISTORIC STYLE DOORS AS WELL AS MATERIAL IS STIPULATED IN STEPSS. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, OR ASK, IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT DRIVEWAY IS COMPLIANT WITH HISTORIC, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND DOESN'T EXCEED 11 FEET IN WIDTH? I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT DIMENSION ON THE SITE PLAN, IS IT? UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES. IT IS, BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL 10 FEET WIDE CONCRETE DRIVE WOULD REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I'M SORRY. COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. SAV. AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 88, UH, 1253 AND 1255 EAST CROCKETT STREET. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 1253 AND 1255 EAST CROCKETT STREET. THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. [00:40:02] OH, SORRY. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ALL MATERIALS ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SPECIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN FINDING J TWO, THAT THE FRONT STREET FACING ELEVATION BE SUBSTANTIALLY REVISED TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AND TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND DIMENSIONS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE PORCH MASSING AND DETAILS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND ON EAST CROCKETT. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PORCH SHOULD BE INCREASED, UH, AND HISTORIC DETAILS AND COLUMN DESIGN SHOULD BE REFERENCED, UH, AND THAT THE CANTILEVER BALCONY SHOULD ALSO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW PORCH DESIGN, UH, AND BE SUPPORTED BY TRADITIONAL COLUMNS. THREE. THAT WINDOW MATERIALS ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE ADOPTED WINDOW POLICY, UH, FOUR THAT ALL GROUPED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF SIX INCHES IN WIDTH, AND THAT THE REAR AND LEFT ELEVATIONS FEATURE MULTIPLE WINDOW OPENINGS. FIVE. THE WALKWAY PROPOSED ON EAST CROCK LINE WITH THE STREET FACING DOOR. SIX, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THEN, UH, SEVEN THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THE APPLICANT, RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, HE DID NOTE TO ME THAT HE, UH, AGREES WITH ALL OF THESE, UM, AND SO THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE FOLLOWED UP ON THAT. UH, WE ALSO, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, HIM ATTENDING A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THIS AND COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS A VOICEMAIL FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. CAN THE APPLICANT COME UP? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR. RICARDO MCCULLOUGH. I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN PLEASE AND SAY AGAIN. I'M SORRY. YOUR NAME AGAIN? RICARDO MCCULLOUGH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . APPRECIATE IT, SIR. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO PRESENT ABOUT YOUR CASE? SIR, I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU AGREE TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS THERE? ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? YES. YES, WE AGREE. SO YOU'RE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AGREE TO ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? IS THAT YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT A DRC IS PART OF THE STIPULATION. HE HAS AGREED TO IT. MM-HMM . OKAY. YOU'RE AGREED TO THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IF NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER VOICEMAIL CHAIR. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. VOICEMAIL. VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIR PERSON OF THE DIGNITY WHI HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2 88. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT MAJOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE EITHER NOT PROVIDED OR ARE NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH HISTORICAL GUIDELINES, WHICH REQUIRES US TO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO STAFF AND THIS COMMISSION PRIOR TO GETTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THIS REQUEST INCLUDE HOUSING MATERIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPECIFIED, WINDOW MATERIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPECIFIED, PORCHES THAT NEED TO BE REDESIGNED TO MEET HISTORICAL GUIDELINES, FENESTRATION THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER HISTORIC EXAMPLES WITHIN THE DISTRICT, OR MEET HISTORIC GUIDELINES, AN ONSITE PARKING PLAN THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. THIS IS WHY WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS CASE NOT BE APPROVED FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NOW I MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. I WILL MOVE FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDED STIPULATION OF A DRC. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER COMMENT. UM, I, UM, I SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMENTS DOVETAILS PRETTY WELL, UM, COMMENTS WHICH YOU ARE AGREEING TO AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE, THESE ARE THE ITEMS WE LIKE TO SEE AT THE NEXT DRC. YES. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS OF GREAT CONCERN TO, FOR ME WAS THE ROOF FORM AS YOU HAD A GABLE, LARGE PROMINENT GABLE AT THE VERY TOP OF THAT HALF STORY. AND THEN HOW IT SWITCHED OVER TO A VERY, VERY LOW SLOPE GABLE AT THE END BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE IT'S TURNING INTO, UM, A COUPLE OF DORMER SHED ROOFS. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY AWKWARD, ESPECIALLY, UM, IT'S AWKWARD [00:45:01] PERIOD. BUT I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY OF CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S BY THE DRIVE WAY AND THE CAR ENTRYWAY ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S VERY VISIBLE. IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S RIGHT UP TO UM, UH, ANOTHER BUILDING, UM, FROM THE SIDE STREET. WHAT IS THAT MONUMENTAL? UM, IT IS CLEARLY VISIBLE AND IT IS AN AWKWARD LOOKING FORM THAT IS NOT HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD CONSIDER, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER REDESIGNING THAT BACK AND SO THAT THAT ROOF FORM WOULD CONFORM WITH HISTORIC ROOF FORMS IN THE AREA. I ACTUALLY DID ALREADY. RIGHT? RIGHT NOW ON MY HEAD, , YOU JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. UH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT'S AN EASY FIX. YEAH. YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S HEIGHT ISSUES. I'M REALLY, UM, UM, PLEASED THAT YOU'RE DOING A STORY AND A HALF AND NOT A FULL TWO STORY YES. BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT BLOCK. AND UM, I GUESS THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE, BOTH DOWNSTAIRS AND UPSTAIRS ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR. UM, NOT QUITE 10 FEET AWAY. AND JUST WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT THE DRC ACTUALLY AT THE BEGINNING I DID NOT WANT TO PUT WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE. WELL, YOU NEED ONE OR TWO, BUT YEAH. BUT THEN, THEN, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS, UH, YEAH, IF YOU COULD BE OPEN TO SORT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I WANNA OFFER OTHER COMMISSIONERS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, MAKE COMMENTS ON COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SIR? NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ? NO SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO COMMENTS. THANK, THANK YOU VICE SHERIFF ESER? UH, NOTHING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NOTHING SIR. THANK YOU. AND FINALLY, COMMISSIONER SIMINO. ANY, ARE THERE COMMENTS? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. WE EVER ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11 HDRC CASE, UH, NUMBER 20 25 2 8 3 FOR 4 3 3 MADISON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO FIRST REMOVE EXISTING STUCCO CLADDING ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND REPLACE IT WITH NATURAL HYDRATED LIME PLASTER. SECOND, ENCLOSE THE REAR PORTION BALCONY OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND RENDER IN NATURAL HYDRATED LIME PLASTER. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. THE LIME PLASTER SHOULD ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING ONE TO THREE MIXTURE RATIO. ONE PART WHITE NON STAINING PORTLAND CEMENT, THREE PARTS HYDRATED LIME OR NATURAL HYDRAULIC LIME AND PLASTER OR SAND DEPENDING ON THE COAT FOR ADHESION. AND SECOND, THAT THE EXISTING STUCCO BE REMOVED BY HAND IF POSSIBLE TO AVOID DAMAGE TO THE EXISTING MASONRY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FOOTPRINT AND DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING PORCH AND BALCONY REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE ENCLOSURE SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE. TWO, THAT THE DIMENSIONS OF EXISTING WOOD ELEMENTS SUCH AS COLUMNS, EXPOSED BEAMS AND DENTAL DETAILING BE MAINTAINED AND VISIBLE IN THE ENCLOSURE. THREE, THAT WOOD SIDING OR WOOD PANELING BE USED AS AN EXTERIOR CLADDING MATERIAL RESULTING IN A SPACE THAT CONTINUES TO READ AS A PORCH ELEMENT. AND FOUR, THAT WINDOWS ON THE ENCLOSURE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE. AS NOTED IN FINDING D, THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOWS STIPULATIONS AND SUBMIT UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE, UH, PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. MEETING. RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN 1.25 INCHES AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN 2.25 INCHES. WHITE MANUFACTURERS COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED. AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH. THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF A ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM. TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE, UH, TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS IN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL. WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING. THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR FOLDER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AGREEING WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THE APPLICANT, MIKE MAURICIO IS HERE IN PERSON AND THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH [00:50:01] ME THAT THEY DO AGREE WITH STAFF'S, UH, STIPULATIONS. UH, MIKE MAURICIO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. STATE MY NAME. ALL RIGHT, MIKE AND MAURICIO. THANK YOU. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO, SIR. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I DO. MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER VA, AND THIS MAY BE FOR STAFF, BUT, AND I THINK I HEARD IT IN, UH, WHAT YOU'RE READING ADRIAN, BUT, UM, THE ENCLOSED SPACE, UM, IT'S GONNA, THE DIMENSIONS ARE GONNA MATCH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR STIPULATIONS THAT THEY DO NOT ADD TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, THE ROOF LINE, IS THAT CHANGING AT ALL? NO, NO, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST. SO THE REQUEST IS ENTIRELY TO ENCLOSE THE EXISTING PORCH BALCONY AND OUR STIPULATIONS ARE TO RETAIN ALL VISIBLE ELEMENTS OF THE PORTION BALCONY. THANK YOU. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. UM, THE APPLICATION IS TO REMOVE THE STUCCO FROM THE FIRST FLOOR ON THE MASONRY ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IS THAT, UH, ALSO MASONRY OR IS THAT WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION? IT'S WOOD FRAME. OKAY. UM, NOW THE, IT, THE TECH, THE STUCCO HAS A FAIRLY ROUGH TEXTURE. YES, SIR. UH, ON THE ENTIRE SURFACE. AND A ARE YOU INTENDING TO MATCH THAT ROUGH TEXTURE WHEN YOU PUT THE, THE LINE PLASTER OVER THE, THE STONE? YES, SIR. WE WE'RE GONNA DO THE HYDRAULIC WASH SO THAT WAY IT MATCHES ALL THE WAY ACROSS. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD, SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS HOUSE AND WE HAVE DONE A SITE VISIT AND LOOKED INTO IT. UM, THE ORIGINAL HOME WAS A SINGLE STORY CALICHE BLOCKER, ADOBE STRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN IT WAS ADDED TO OVER TIME IN LIMESTONE CONSTRUCTION, SOLID LIMESTONE BLOCK. THE SECOND STORY WE BELIEVE IS FULLY FRAMED. AND SO AT SOME POINT THE OWNER HAD THE IDEA, LET'S JUST STUCCO AT ALL TO MAKE IT MATCH, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON ACTUALLY. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE STUCCO THAT WAS APPLIED IS CEMENT BASED. AND SO AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU APPLY A CEMENT BASED STUCCO TO NATURAL LIMESTONE, ESPECIALLY A SOFT MASONRY, UM, THAT CAN HOLD WATER IN WHERE YOU DON'T WANT IT, AND THAT CAN LEAD TO DETERIORATION OF THE, UH, MASONRY ITSELF. AND SO WHAT IS PROPOSED AS TECHNICALLY BEST PRACTICE, WE'RE GONNA BE CAREFULLY REMOVING THE INAPPROPRIATE STUCCO AND INSTALLING A NATURAL LIME. UM, IT'S MORE OF A WASH. UM, IT'S NOT AS THICK. UM, YOU CAN DO MULTIPLE LAYERS AND GAIN LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A TEXTURE, BUT IT'S MOSTLY GONNA BE A THINNER, UM, COATING. AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME MATCHING THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. UM, AND SO I DO EXPECT THERE TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE, UM, NEGOTIATE THOSE THAT CHANGE IN SURFACES. UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO REMOVE ALL OF IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL. NO, OF COURSE NOT. SO, UM, SO THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TO MATCH IN, IN MY OPINION. UM, I KNOW THAT IT, IT MIGHT LOOK WEIRD MORE MAKE IT FLOW VERSUS YEAH, YOU WANNA MAKE IT FLOW. YOU'RE GONNA USE, UM, SIMILAR, I I, YOU'LL PROBABLY CHANGE THE PAINT ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO IT'S A SIMILAR COLOR TO THE NATURAL LIME. UM, AND THAT'S ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK WITH IN THE PROCESS. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MATCH THE THICKNESS OF THE NEW LIME WASH WITH THE STUCCO ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SOME SORT OF DETAIL WILL NEED TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF, WHETHER IT'S A, UM, SOME SORT OF WOOD OF COURSE, UH, BAND BELT COURSE FOR SURE THAT SEPARATES THE TWO, UH, FINISHES. SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE DETAILING ON THE, THE PORCH ENCLOSURE, YOU AGREED TO THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT IT BE WOOD FRAMED AND UH, WOOD CLAD AS OPPOSED TO THE THE LIME WASH AND QUESTION FOR STAFF, ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH REVIEWING THOSE PROPOSED, UH, DESIGNS FOR THE PORCH ENCLOSURE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND WHEN WE CONDUCTED OUR SITE VISIT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS PHOTOGRAPH, AND THEN I'LL GO TO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING BAY THAT'S A WOOD CLAD. SO THEN ONE, ONE POINT OF DISCUSSION AND BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE KIND OF GOING WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE ENCLOSURE MIMIC THE EXISTING BAY THAT YOU SEE HERE ON SCREEN. AND THEN YES, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY, UM, YOU [00:55:01] KNOW, ASK, UM, THAT BASICALLY THAT THE CONVERSATION BE ONGOING SO THAT WE REVIEW THOSE PLANS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD MAYOR. UM, MR. CHAIR, MY QUESTION IS, UM, ALSO FOR STAFF, UM, IF YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT THE ENCLOSED PORCH, EXCUSE ME, ENCLOSED PORCH, UM, MIMICS OR IS RESPONSIVE TO THE BAY, I WOULD IMAGINE WE WOULD NEED MORE WINDOWS ON BOTH THE DOWNSTAIRS AND THE UPSTAIRS TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS AN ENCLOSED PORCH. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT WITH THAT AND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY YOU MAY BE IN FOR A FEW MORE WINDOWS? WE DID SAY THE MORE WINDOWS THE BETTER. OKAY. SO YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WOULD MAKE IT CONVINCING AS AN ENCLOSED PORCH. YES MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? NA, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES. I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, OFFER THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO A DRC IF THEY WANNA REVIEW, UH, OR GET MORE FEEDBACK ON THE, THE DESIGN OF THE PORCH ENCLOSURE AND THE DETAILED DESIGN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. UM, HEARING NONE KNOW OF COMMISSIONERS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU AS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU DREW. THANK YOU. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.