[00:00:08] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THE TIME IS NOW 2:08 P.M. ON DECEMBER 2, 2025, AND WE WILL CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. MADAME CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL? >> CLERK: CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH MINUTES OF OUR NOVEMBER 4,. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'LL TAKE A VOICE VOTE FROM COUNCILWOMAN KAUR. >> KAUR: AYE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS IS HERE. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE ONE RESIDENT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. JOEY POLLACK. ARE YOU PRESENT? NOT PRESENT. SO WE HAVE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 2. IT'S GOING TO BE A RESULT OF TWO REQUESTS. ONE FROM COUNCILWOMAN DR. KAUR WHO REQUESTED A HOLISTIC PRESENTATION ON THE ECOSYSTEM OF MICRO MOBILITY AND VEHICLES FOR HIRE. AND THE SECOND IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR E-CARRIAGES. FOR THIS DISCUSSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO ROUNDS AT FIVE MINUTES . >> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS RICK RILEY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. TODAY I'M JOINED BY JOHN JACKS, WHO WILL PROVIDE THE MICRO MOBILITY PORTION OF THE BRIEF. I'M GOING TO PRESENT A BRIEFING ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES FOR HIRE SERVICE INDUSTRY AND MR. JACKS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE MICRO MOBILITY TRANSPORTATION PIECE . SO, TODAY'S BRIEF WILL COVER THE FOLLOWING: A SHORT BACKGROUND OF CHAPTER 33 AS IT PERTAINS TO ELECTRIC VEHICLE-FOR-HIRE INDUSTRY. THEN A MICROMOBILITY TRANSPORTATION AND A CONCLUSION WHICH WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE COMMITTEE FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PILOT PROGRAM FOR ADDITIONAL ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO, SINCE NOVEMBER 2022, CHAPTER 33 900 HAS GOVERNED THE OPERATION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE FOR HIRE SERVICE INDUSTRY. IT'S A CHAUFFEURED VEHICLE. IT'S OPERATED FOR ANY FARE OR COMPENSATION. THAT INCLUDES TIPS. AND USED TO TRANSPORT PASSENGERS. THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE PROPELLED BY AN ELECTRIC MOTOR ONLY. THAT'S NON-COMBUSTION, NON-HUMAN POWERED. IT HAS TO BE ONLY THAT ELECTRIC MOTOR THAT PROPELS THAT VEHICLE. IT HAS A MAXIMUM SPEED OF NO MORE THAN 35 MILES PER HOUR AND IT MUST MEET ALL FEDERAL, STATE MOTOR VEHICLE STANDARDS FOR LOW-SPEED VEHICLES. THAT INCLUDES A REGISTRATION AS A SLOW-MOVING VEHICLE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. AS YOU SEE THERE, THE SAPD GROUND TRANSPORTATION UNIT ENFORCES CHAPTER 33, SIMILAR TO TAXICABS, HORSE CARRIAGES, PEDICABS, ET CETERA. AS OF TODAY WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CITATIONS ISSUED FOR ANY DRIVERS OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICE INDUSTRY. THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE LIMITED TO STREETS WITH POSTED SPEED LIMITS OF 35 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS. THEY TRADITIONALLY OPERATE IN THE DOWNTOWN, PEARL, AND BLUE STAR AREA . WE HAVE THREE COMPANIES OPERATING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. E-GO, SAN ANTONIO GO, AND DESTIN. 20 PERMITS ARE ALLOWED. 15 OF THOSE ARE STANDARD PERMITS. THE OTHER FIVE PERMITS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE VIA LITTLE RUNNER CONTRACT WHICH PROVIDES THAT LAST MILE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR VIA AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION FOR THE UTSA STUDENTS, FACULTY, AND STAFF THAT COME ON THIS SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 33 PERMITTED ELECTRIC VEHICLE DRIVERS. YOU SEE SOME METRICS THERE. FOR 2025 -- AN OLD SLIDE. AVERAGE DISTANCE IS TWO TO THREE MILES THEY TRAVEL. COST PER TRIP IS ABOUT $5. THAT'S A NORMAL FARE PER PERSON. THOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES CAN ALSO BE RENTED OUT FOR AN HOUR OR ON A TOUR BASIS, IF THEY SO DESIRE. AVERAGE TIME PER TRIP IS 7 TO 12 MINUTES AND THEN ESTIMATED IN 2025 THERE'S BEEN 25,000 TRIPS THUS FAR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. [00:05:06] SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO ASK MR. JACKS TO COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT THE MICROMOBILITY TRANSPORTATION PIECE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. JOHN JACKS WITH CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT. CURRENTLY TODAY, CCDO OVERSEES THE TWO MICROMOBILITY CONTRACTS THE CITY HAS WITH BIKE SHARE AND THE DOCKLESS VEHICLES. THE BIKES HAVE TO BE RETURNED TO, THAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATED BY B CYCLE. THEN WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTS WITH BIRD RIDES AND VEO TO OPERATE DOCKLESS VEHICLES, WHICH INCLUDES THE SCOOTERS AND KIND OF A SIT-DOWN BITE VERSION OF THE SCOOTER. THOSE COMPANIES ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE UP TO A THOUSAND VEHICLES, SO A TOTAL OF 2,000 PERMITS ISSUED FOR DOCKLESS VEHICLES. THESE ARE FAMILIAR SLIDES THAT YOU ALL SAW A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THIS IS OUR DOCKLESS VEHICLE PROGRAM. IT SHOWS PRIMARILY THE ROUTES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN OR THE HIGHEST USAGE. OBVIOUSLY IS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. EAST COMMERCE STREET, WEST MARKET, EAST HOUSTON, AND LOSOYA ARE OUR PRIMARY THOROUGHFARES THROUGH DOWNTOWN BUT ALSO WEIGHTED ON THE EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN WHERE MOST OF THE VISITOR ATTRACTIONS ARE, PEOPLE VISITING EITHER THE ALAMO OR THEY'RE HERE FOR A CONVENTION. THIS JUST SHOWS YOU KIND OF THE AVERAGE TRIP THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 MINUTES IS THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A TRIP OR THE AVERAGE TIME OF A TRIP. BOTH COMPANIES VERY CLOSE IN AVERAGE DISTANCE. REALLY RIGHT AROUND A MILE IS THE AVERAGE DISTANCE WE'RE SEEING PER RIDE. ON THE BOTTOM THERE IS THE COST. THE AVERAGE COST FOR BIRD IS $6.06 PLUS TAX AND VEO IS $5.29. AS FAR AS BIKE SHARE IS CONCERNED, THIS IS A -- THIS PROGRAM STARTED OFF, IT REALLY HAD A LOT MORE STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND OVER TIME THIS KIND OF WHITTLED DOWN TO REALLY THE PRIMARY USAGE AREAS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS DOWNTOWN AND SOUTH ON THE MISSION TRAIL ALONG THE RIVER TRAIL THERE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT MISSIONS. THE MOST UTILIZED STATIONS ARE 305 EAST HOUSTON, MAIN PLAZA, MISSION SAN JOSE, AND THEN BLUE STAR . IT'S BROKEN INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR USERS TO USE. THERE'S A ONE-HOUR PASS FOR $15. YOU CAN GET A DAY PASS FOR $25. AND THEN A MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP FOR $33. AVERAGE TRIP TIME IS 41 MINUTES. OBVIOUSLY A LOT LONGER ON BIKE SHARE THAN ON THE DOCKLESS VEHICLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRAVELING A FURTHER DISTANCE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING THEM TO GO UP AND DOWN THE TRAILWAY SYSTEM TO VISIT THE MISSIONS. B CYCLE HAS 111 BIKES. ALL OF THOSE BIKES ARE ELECTRIC PEDAL ASSISTED BIKES. THEY HAV 18 STATIONS AND THE STATIONS VARY IN SIZE. SOME OF THEM HOLD MORE BIKES THAN OTHERS, SO YOU CAN'T JUST DIVIDE 225 BY 18 AND GET THE NUMBER OF BIKES PER STATION. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE STATION AND HOW MUCH IS BEING USED. WITH OUR 18 STATIONS AND A TOTAL OF 225 DOCKS, A DOCK IS AN INDIVIDUAL DOCK FOR A BIKE TO GO INTO. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER. >> THANK YOU. SO TODAY WE'RE SEEKING INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE REGARDING POTENTIAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE PILOT PROGRAM. WE'RE READY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IF WE WANT TO TRANSITION THE HORSE CARRIAGES TO AN ELECTRIC CARRIAGE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BOTH MR. JACKS AND I ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO, ONE, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND THANK COUNCILWOMAN KAUR FOR HER ELEMENT OF THIS REQUEST. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THESE INDUSTRIES AS A WHOLE AS WE'RE DISCUSSING FUTURE RFPS FOR DOCKLESS VEHICLES, CHANGES TO REGULATIONS OF THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY, AND THE TRANSITION FROM HORSE CARRIAGES TO E-CARRIAGES. THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY FEEDBACK TODAY WILL REVOLVE AROUND THAT SPECIFIC ELEMENT OF THIS PRESENTATION. I'LL REMIND MY COLLEAGUES IN 2023, COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN AND I FILED A CCR CALLING FOR A JUST TRANSITION FROM THE HORSE CARRIAGE INDUSTRY THAT PREPARED ALTERNATIVES FOR THOSE IN THE INDUSTRY THROUGHOUT THE PHASE-OUT. YEAR COUNCIL APPROVED THAT FIVE-YEAR PHASE-OUT OF [00:10:01] HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES BUT WE HAVEN'T BEGUN THE DISCUSSION ON E-CARRIAGES. WE'LL NOT BE DISCUSSING THE PHASE-OUT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BAN OR HORSE CARRIAGES. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ENTIRELY LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE ESTABLISHMENT, AUTHORIZATION OF E-CARRIAGES. MY FEEDBACK IS SHORT AND SWEET. WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND WITH THE OWNERS OF THE HORSE CARRIAGE INDUSTRY, I DON'T KNOW THAT A ONE-TO-ONE PERMIT TRANSFER IS NECESSARILY THE RIGHT MOVE. I DON'T KNOW THAT 25 VEHICLES IS A STRONG LIMIT. IT MIGHT BE -- I THINK WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WE CONVENE THE STAKEHOLDERS, WE CONVENE THOSE WITH STAKE IN THIS INDUSTRY AND ASK THEM WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THOSE SPECIFIC LIMITS. A LIMIT OF FIVE BUSINESSES, FIVE PERMITS A PIECE. WHAT I HEARD THAT CONTINUES TO CONCERN ME A LITTLE BIT IS THAT TWO OF THE FOUR OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS OPERATED BY TWO OWNERS. THAT'S CREATED A LOOPHOLE WHERE ONE OWNER IS ABLE TO OPERATE TEN HORSE CARRIAGES. I THINK AS WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND A WAY TO ENSURE EQUITY AND ENSURE EQUALITY IN THAT WAY THAT ONE OWNER GETS THE FIVE PERMITS OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF PERMITS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO -- ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PILOT PROGRAM. I CHAIR THE INNER CITY TIRZ BOARD AND I KNOW DURING THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WE TALKED ABOUT ANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT FALL WITHIN THAT AREA, WE MAY BE WILLING OR MAY BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT THE TRANSITION IN SOME WAY. BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS AND NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED ONCE WE MOVE TO E-CARRIAGES. BEYOND THAT, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH COUNCILWOMAN KAUR AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION FROM THERE. >> KAUR: THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THIS PRESENTATION TO US TODAY. THANK YOU FOR AGENDIZING IT SO QUICKLY, CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE, DO YOU THINK -- I'M GUESSING THE PEDICAB SLIDE, SLIDE 17 WAS A BACKUP SLIDE? >> THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCIL MEMBER. >> KAUR: WOULD YOU MIND JUST GOING OVER THAT SO IT COULD SET THE STAGE FOR SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ON PEDICABS AS WELL? >> PEDICAB AND GROUP CYCLES, WE GROUPED IT TOGETHER. WE HAVE THREE COMPANIES WITH 15 MAX PERMITS. YOU'LL SEE THE DEFINITION OF A PEDICAB UP THERE. GROUP CYCLES, THERE'S NO MAXIMUM ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS. TWO PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. ONE TO EACH COMPANY RIGHT NOW. THE GROUP CYCLE IS WHAT THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN TO AUSTIN AND SEEN, IT'S KIND OF A MOVING PARTY, IF YOU WILL, PEDALED BY THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ON IT HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND THEN THE PEDICABS HAVE AN ELECTRIC MOTOR ASSIST. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED A TRUE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. AS I BRIEFED EARLIER, THAT'S A HUMAN POWERED WITH AN ELECTRIC MOTOR ASSIST ON IT. BOTH OF WHICH THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW -- I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE, COUNCIL MEMBER, OF REDUCING SOME OF THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH RISK MANAGEMENT TO DETERMINE WHERE WE CAN REDUCE THOSE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS TO IF RISK MANAGEMENT APPROVES THAT. >> KAUR: GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I LOVE WHAT CHAIR WAS SAYING AROUND FOCUS GROUPS. AND I KNOW HE WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGES, AND I APPRECIATE HIS PUSH THERE. I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT HOLISTICALLY ON EACH OF THESE MOBILITY OPTIONS. SO WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, I KNOW THERE'S ONLY THREE COMPANIES RIGHT NOW. BUT WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THAT AND HOW CAN WE HELP SEE WHAT THE DATA LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF USAGE AND WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING WHO ARE DRIVING, WHO OWN THE COMPANIES, AND WHO ARE USING THE TRANSPORTATION? THIS IS VERY ANECDOTAL BUT THE THING I HAVE SEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL IS WHEN THERE'S A ROUTE GOING ON IN SOUTH TOWN, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS CONSISTENCY FOR RIDERS. I THINK IF WE DID A FOCUS GROUP FOR EACH ONE OF THESE -- THAT INCLUDES MAYBE A SEPARATE FOCUS GROUP WITH OWNERS AND DRIVERS SO WE CAN GET INPUT FROM BOTH, AND MAYBE RIDERS. THOSE THREE FOR EACH SO WE CAN HEAR FROM THEM, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE CHALLENGES ARE AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE. SO I ACTUALLY THINK THE PILOT SHOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PERMITS FOR NOT ONLY THE CARRIAGES, SPECIFICALLY, BUT ALSO FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND FOR [00:15:01] PEDICABS. WE HAVE SOME PEDICAB DRIVERS THAT CAME TO US AND THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT 1 AND HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO GROW AND GET THEIR OWN PERMITS SO THEY CAN MANAGE THEIR OWN HOURS. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. WE WANT TO SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS TO BECOME ENTREPRENEURIAL AS WELL. AND SO THEY'RE NOT JUST DRIVING FOR SOMEONE ELSE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD INCREASE THE -- AND MAYBE, TO COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT OF THE TWO COMPANIES IN THE CARRIAGE STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT'S SIMILAR ACROSS. HOW DO WE CREATE -- AND MAYBE YOU CAN TRY TO SHARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS. WHAT IS THE -- FOR EXAMPLE, IN AUSTIN THEY HAVE A HIGHER CAP FOR 3 300 PERMITS FOR PEDICABS. WHAT'S THE ADVERSE EFFECT? WHY DO WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF COMPANIES AND THE NUMBER OF PERMITS? WHAT'S THE BIGGEST FEAR THERE, I GUESS? >> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S REALLY NOT BEEN A SPECIFIC LIMITATION AS TO WHY WE HAVE LIMITED THEM. IT'S MORE OR LESS WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND KNOCKING DOWN OUR DOOR FOR ADDITIONAL PERMITS, SO IT'S KIND OF SAT AT THAT PERMIT LEVEL BECAUSE THOSE PERMITS HAVE BEEN FILLED. TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO START A BUSINESS AND BE ENTREPRENEURS, THEN WE NEED TO REALLY SIT DOWN, FOCUS ON THAT, AND SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO GROW A PEDICAB INDUSTRY OR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICE INDUSTRY. >> KAUR: GOT IT. YEAH, I THINK FOR THE PEDICABS, SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S SO INDIVIDUALIZED WHERE YOU CAN ONLY TRANSPORT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR OWN ROUTES. I THINK IF WE JUST INCREASED THE PERMITS ON THAT, IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. OF COURSE, ALWAYS LIKE LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. BUT FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE ONES SPECIFICALLY, I DO THINK WE SHOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PERMITS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESULTS WE GET AND THEN MAYBE -- I KNOW CHAIR MENTIONED INNER CITY TIRZ. MAYBE WE CAN TACK ON A LITTLE FUNDING TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THOSE ROUTES IN DIFFERENT AREAS TO SEE WHAT THEY DO FOR MICROMOBILITY. AS WE GROW DOWNTOWN, WE WANT FOLKS TO BE USING THESE OPTIONS. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ROUTES TO SAY WE'LL HELP AN ORGANIZATION OR A COMPANY FUND A ROUTE IN RIVER NORTH FOR SUNSET STATION, FROM SUNSET STATION DOWN TO SOUTH TOWN FOR A PORTION OF TIME TO SEE HOW THEY DO AND TRACK THE DATA. I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO, ONE, START SHOWING THE COMMUNITY -- BECAUSE WE DID THAT WITH THE LITTLE RUNNER I BELIEVE IT WAS US AND CENTRO PARTNERED TOGETHER ON THAT FOR UTSA AND IT PROVED SUCCESSFUL. THEY ARE NOW CONTINUING THAT WORK. I THINK IF WE COULD DETERMINE A COUPLE OF OTHER ROUTES LIKE THAT FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, INCREASE THE PERMITS, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT FOR THAT. AND THEN JUST FOR THE SCOOTERS, FOR BIRD AND VEO, IS THAT THE ONLY ONES -- BECAUSE I SEE THOSE PRICES NOW TOO AND THEY'RE MUCH HIGHER THAN WHEN THE PRICES THAT WE FIRST STARTED THE DOCKLESS VEHICLES. I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MONOPOLY IN THE GAME, THEY CAN DO THAT. IS THERE ANY MERIT TO THAT OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? >> COUNCILWOMAN, BASED ON OUR LAST COMMITTEE MEETING WITH YOU ALL, WE DID SOME RESEARCH, JUST TO LOOK TO SEE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE MARKET COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. AND ACTUALLY, WE ARE KIND OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITY, IN TERMS OF SCOOTERS AND DOCKLESS VEHICLES. IT'S CLOSE BUT OTHER CITIES LIKE AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A DOLLAR TO UNLOCK, 49 CENTS PER MINUTE. NASHVILLE, VERY SIMILAR. A DOLLAR TO UNLOCK, 58 CENTS PER MINUTE. IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY BUT THEY'RE ALL WITHIN 5 OR 10 CENTS A MINUTE APART. LET'S SEE. WASHINGTON, D.C., A DOLLAR TO UNLOCK. 49 CENTS PER MINUTE. SEATTLE -- THEY'RE ALL A DOLLAR TO UNLOCK AND 40 TO 45 CENTS PER MINUTE. I DO THINK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, A LOT OF THE COMPANIES WERE NEW UPSTART. I THINK THEY WERE -- THEY REALLY WEREN'T PROFITABLE, IT WAS MORE OF A LET'S GET IN THE MARKET. WE'RE USING INVESTOR DOLLARS TO OPERATE. TRY TO GET INTEREST IN IT. AND OVER TIME, THE RATES STARTED TO MEET THE DEMAND AND AFTER A WHILE THE INVESTORS STARTED TO DEMAND THAT THEY BE PROFITABLE AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN THE COST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN KAUR. COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU ALSO FOR THIS PRESENTATION. YEAH, I WAS ALSO CURIOUS WHY THE PERMITS WERE CAPPED AT 20 FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN THE STANDARD. NO SPECIFIC REASON TO CAP IT [00:20:05] AT 20. >> ABOUT IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THERE WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO CAP THOSE AT 20. WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE STREETS, CONGESTION-WISE, NUMBERS-WISE. WE PURPOSELY MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO CAP THOSE AT 20 WITH FIVE OF THOSE ORIGINALLY FOR THE CENTRO UTSA. >> GAVITO: DO WE KNOW THE CONS TO INCREASE THAT CAP? >> SO EACH OF THE COMPANIES THAT CURRENTLY OPERATE HAVE KIND OF CARVED OUT THEIR OWN NICHE. YOU HAVE THE VIA CENTRO THAT TAKES THE STUDENTS, FACULTY, AND STAFF. SOME COMPANIES DO TOURS. SOME PROVIDE RIDES FROM HOTELS. THEY HAVE WORKED OUT ADVERTISING AGREEMENTS WITH HOTELS TO SAY, OKAY, I'LL TAKE YOU FROM HERE TO THE CONVENTION CENTER. OR HERE TO THE DOME OR WHEREVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO CURRENTLY, WE DON'T SEE THE CONGESTION BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE A FULL STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT OF ADDING AN ADDITIONAL -- LET'S SAY IF WE TOOK ALL 25 HORSE CARRIAGE PERMITS AND TURNED THEM INTO ELECTRIC CARRIAGES OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE STREETS. >> GAVITO: I'M CURIOUS. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A RUSH ON IT BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT STUDY WOULD FIND, IS 20 THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR US? ARE PEOPLE GETTING TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY THROUGH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES? AND SEEING IF IT'S ENOUGH. I THINK WHEN YOU ALL DO THAT ANALYSIS, I WOULD BE CURIOUS FOR THE RESULTS. >> YES, MA'AM. >> GAVITO: I KNOW THAT DURING JULY 4TH AT WOOD WOODLAWN LAKE, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF DISTRICT 7 RESIDENTS THAT WANTED TO USE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICE TO GET TO THE PARK, BECAUSE USUALLY PEOPLE ARE WALKING BLOCKS WITH CHAIRS AND KIDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I COULD SEE ELECTRIC VEHICLES EXPANDING TO OTHER AREAS TOO FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. I'M SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO ON IN OUR DISTRICT WHERE WE COULD SEE SOME OF THIS POP-UP ACTIVATION AS WELL. AND THEN, YES. I DO AGREE -- I'M SORRY ON MY CONFUSION. I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN KAUR TO SEE PEDICAB COMPANIES AND MAYBE SEE A POTENTIAL NUMBER OF INCREASE FOR THOSE AS WELL. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN MUNGIA. >> WALSH: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK ULTIMATELY THESE E-SCOOTERS, E-BIKES, AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES SHOULD BE THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. I THINK IF I HAD, YOU KNOW, A MAGIC WAND WE WOULD HAVE NO CARS DOWNTOWN AND JUST HAVE THESE TYPES OF MICROMOBILITY TO HELP US MOVE AROUND. JUST FOR THE HELP OF CONGESTION OF TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY. THAT'S MY UNREALISTIC GOAL FOR THE FUTURE. REAL QUICK QUESTION. THE PERMITS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THESE EVS THAT ARE OPERATING, ARE THEY ONLY OPERATING DOWNTOWN? >> SO MOSTLY DOWNTOWN, SOUTH TOWN, PEARL, AND BLUE STAR. AND THAT'S A RESULT OF CHARGING THE VEHICLE, WHERE THEY CAN GET THE MOST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK. THEY'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE TO RIDE IN. THEY'RE NOT BAD. IT IS A FUNCTION OF GETTING PEOPLE KIND OF THAT LAST MILE. THAT'S THE VIA LITTLE RUNNER MODEL. BUT FOR THE NORMAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE, THE THREE COMPANIES, THAT'S WHERE THEY CONCENTRATE THEIR EFFORTS. REMEMBER, THEY HAVE TO BE ON STREETS WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS NO MORE THAN 35 MILES PER HOUR. THEY CAN'T GET UP ON A BIG MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, SO TO SPEAK. >> MUNGIA: THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE. OPENING UP THOSE PERMITS MORE AND LETTING FOLKS KNOW OF THE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THESE AREAS ARE IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR MODEL -- I TALKED TO JOHN ABOUT THIS FOR POTRANCO, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CONGESTION THERE THAT WE REALLY DO NEED SOME SORT OF QUICK EV MOBILITY MECHANISM TO GET PEOPLE UP AND DOWN THAT STREET. REALISTICALLY, PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ON POTRANCO GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THAT STREET FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEN GOING BACK. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONGESTION FROM THAT TYPE OF MOBILITY THAT COULD BE USED FROM THIS. I THINK THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT COULD UTILIZE THAT SO I THINK SEEING WHAT TYPE OF ADDITIONAL PERMITS WE CAN MAKE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE IS HELPFUL. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGE. IN ONE OF YOUR BACKUP SLIDES FOR THAT YOU PUT ON THERE AN INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR A ONE FOR ONE PERMIT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT ON HERE HOW MANY PERMITS EXISTED BEFORE THE BAN. >> CURRENTLY THERE ARE 25 PERMITS THAT EXIST. [00:25:03] FIVE COMPANIES COMPANIES AND THEN A THIRD OWNER OWNS ONE. SO THAT'S THE INEQUITY THAT COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ POINTED OUT. YOU HAVE ONE OWNER WITH FIVE PERMITS AND THE OTHER TWO OWNERS WITH 10 PERMITS EACH SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT PUZZLE OUT. >> MUNGIA: TO THE COUNCILMAN'S POINT, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PERMITS IN TOTAL OF 25 DOWN? >> I THINK OUR CHOICE IS WE REDUCE OR INCREASE TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, SO TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW, WITHOUT DOING THE ANALYSIS AND THE IMPACT, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO CONGESTION ON THE STREET, IF WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP CONGESTION TO A MINIMUM, IS PUTTING AN ELECTRIC CARRIAGE ON THE STREET REDUCING CONGESTION OR IS THAT INCREASING CONGESTION IF WE ALLOW MORE PERMITS? OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? THAT'S A STUDY I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERTAKE. >> MUNGIA: AND THERE'S NO MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PERMITS THAT ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN OBTAIN? >> FOR WHICH INDUSTRY, SIR? >> MUNGIA: FOR ANY OF THESE. >> FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, IT'S FIVE. WE'VE LIMITED EACH COMPANY TO FIVE BECAUSE WE LEARNED OUR LESSON WITH THE HORSE CARRIAGES THAT, OKAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD FROM THE BEGINNING. SO WE HAVE LIMITED IT TO FIVE. >> MUNGIA: BUT THAT LIMITATION DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST FOR THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGES? >> WE DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC CARRIAGES ON THE STREET, CURRENTLY. FOR HORSE CARRIAGES, THAT DOES NOT EXIST. >> MUNGIA: THAT'S AN OLDER INDUSTRY. JUST TRYING TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO OWNS WHAT AND MAKING SURE THERE'S NOT JUST SEPARATE SUBSIDIARIES THAT LOOK LIKE DIFFERENT COMPANIES BUT ARE OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON. I THINK THAT CONSIDERATION IS IMPORTANT. I JUST ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN KAUR SAID ABOUT THE PEDICABS. I THINK THAT'S A VERY NICHE MARKET, SO HOWEVER THEY CAN BE HELPFUL ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS. >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, CHAIR. I LOOKED THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU PROVIDE THE OPERATING COSTS FOR THESE DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES? I SEE A LOT OF BENEFITS LISTED, BUT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS COULD Y'ALL PROVIDE? >> I DON'T KNOW THOSE. I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AN ELECTRIC CARRIAGE, TO GET INTO THAT INDUSTRY, IS GOING TO COST ABOUT $20,000 FOR THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGE. THE GEM VEHICLES ARE 8 TO $9,000. THAT'S YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE. SO THAT'S YOUR START-UP COST. THAT'S A BASIC PLUG INTO THE WALL, NO SPECIAL EV CHARGER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE ELECTRICITY IS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COMPANIES PAY THEIR DRIVERS. THAT'S PROPRIETARY INFORMATION, COMPETING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. >> SPEARS: >> WE CAN REACH OUT AND FIND OUT IF THEY TRACK THAT INFORMATION. WE DON'T BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. >> SPEARS: I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TO ME. WHAT IS SAPD IDENTIFYING AS BENEFITS FOR TRANSITIONING FROM THE HORSE CARRIAGES TO THE EVS. I'M THINKING ABOUT USE OF ELECTRICITY, HOW MUCH DOES INSURANCE COST, WHAT IS YOUR ANNUAL, WHAT IS THE START-UP? IS THIS ATTAINABLE FOR THE HORSE CARRIAGES TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEIR ANIMALS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE TRANSITION, PER SE. THE PHASE-OUT IS HAPPENING. THE FACE-OUT IS HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS SO THOSE HORSES ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO GO. THE E-CARRIAGE PORTION OF THAT IS, I THINK THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TRANSITION THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO SWITCH THEIR PERMITS OVER INTO THAT. >> SPEARS: IS THAT ATTAINABLE? LIKE HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO DO THAT AND STILL MAINTAIN YOUR EXISTING HORSE CARRIAGES? WELL, THE HORSES, I GUESS. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUT OUT -- I HOPE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUT DOWN. IN MY MIND, I'M SEEING THEM, YOU KNOW, LETTING THEIR HORSES LIVE OUT THEIR LIVES AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO MAYBE START UP THEIR EV COMPANY. WHAT DOES IT COST TO DO THAT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, JUST TO SEE HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT STARTING OUT OR APPLYING FOR THE PERMITS AND WHAT IS THE COST TO DO THAT? >> SO, AS I MENTIONED, COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S A $20,000 ROUGHLY FOR THE E-CARRIAGE. AND THEN YOUR DRIVERS COULD TRANSITION FROM YOUR HORSE CARRIAGE TO THE E-CARRIAGE. THAT'S A FLAT COST. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT ELECTRICITY. I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE ELECTRICITY COST IS BUT IF YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT I'M NO LONGER DOING HORSE CARRIAGES, MAYBE I'M NOT [00:30:01] MUCKING AS MANY STALLS, MAYBE I'M NOT CHANGING SHOES. I THINK THERE'S A TRADE-OFF THERE TO COST THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DEEPER DIVE THAN WHAT I CAN DO STANDING UP HERE TODAY. I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT AND START TALKING TO SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES. I KNOW THAT THREE OF THOSE COMPANIES HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST AND HAVE RAISED THEIR HAND AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE E-CARRIAGES A TRY. JUST LET US KNOW HOW AND WHEN. I'M NOT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> SPEARS: CAN WE TRY TO DO THAT? >> SURE. >> SPEARS: I'M HAPPY TO HELP IN MY OFFICE TO DO THAT. I AM A HORSE CARRIAGES FAN. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE BUT I DO WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO HELP THEM TRANSITION OUT OF ONE INDUSTRY TO ANOTHER IN DOING SO. AND DO WE HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THESE VEHICLES, LIKE THEIR BATTERY CAPACITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEADLIGHTS, TURN SIGNALS, STOP, SLOW-MOVING VEHICLE SIGN, A WINDSHIELD THAT WE REQUIRE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LITTLE RUNNER. THAT WOULD BE ONE CHANGE I THINK WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IS ON THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGE. MAYBE WE DON'T REQUIRE THE WINDSHIELD. WE REQUIRE THAT, THE CITY REQUIRES THAT. THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATE. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A REGISTERED VEHICLE OTHERWISE TO COMPLETE WITH REGISTRATION STICKER, VIN FOR BOTH OF THOSE. >> SPEARS: AND I GUESS THE BATTERY CAPACITY OF SOME SORT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN DR. KAUR. >> KAUR: THANKS, CHAIR. I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO FINISH -- I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GETTING THE DETAILS ON THE DOCKLESS VEHICLES. DO WE DO A COMPARISON ON THE NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT ARE OPERATING IN DIFFERENT CITIES? >> COUNCILWOMAN KAUR, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCOOTERS AND DOCKLESS VEHICLES. >> KAUR: YES. THE COST. >> I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. IT'S VERY COMPARABLE. AUSTIN HAS TWO, NASHVILLE HAS THREE. WASHINGTON, D.C. HAS THREE. SEATTLE HAS TWO. AND DALLAS HAS THREE. SO IT'S EITHER TWO OR THREE SEEMS TO BE THE MOST COMMON NUMBER. >> KAUR: SO THE MARKET HAS JUST DIED DOWN ON IT, I GUESS? >> I THINK SOME OF THE NOVELTY HAS WORN OFF SO IT'S TURNED MORE INTO A -- YOU HAVE CORE USERS AND YOU HAVE PROBABLY VISITORS WHO ARE USING THEM. BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THAT NUMBER IS PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> KAUR: SO JUST TO RECAP, I WANTED TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO'S POINT AROUND WOODLAWN. I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING EVENT-BASED MICROMOBILITY. IF WE COULD IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, TEN EVENTS OVER THE NEXT YEAR THAT WE COULD HAVE ALL OF OUR COMPANIES AND THEIR DRIVERS RUN A ROUTE AND TEST TO SEE HOW IT GOES. EVEN IF WE JUST PICKED THEM AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. DO MAYBE W WOODLAWN AT NEW YEAR'S, SOME OF THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP. TO SEE IF WE FUNDED THIS, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY PAST BUDGET, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IN ANY WAY, WHETHER THROUGH CARRYOVER OR IF WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING. I THINK THE MORE WE TRY TO CREATE STRATEGIC PILOTS FOR THESE, WE CAN GET FOLKS USING THEM AND WE CAN SEE IF THEY CAN SERVE THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE. THEY ARE KIND OF SMALL BUT IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 OF THEM GOING AT THE SAME TIME, IS IT SUFFICIENT OR -- ET CETERA. MAYBE IF YOU GUYS COME BACK, IF WE DO AN SA SPEAKUP SURVEY AND SOME FOCUS GROUPS AND COME BACK AND SEE WHAT A STRUCTURE PILOT COULD LOOK LIKE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES FOR THE NEXT YEAR, I GUESS IS WHAT MY REQUEST WOULD BE FOR THEM. AND THEN FOR PEDICABS, I REALLY JUST THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS INCREASING THE PERMIT LIMIT. BUT I THINK ELECTRIC VEHICLES IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE STRATEGIC ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS, CHAIR. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE OUT BY REITERATING WHAT I HAVE HEARD. IN THIS INSTANCE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MICROMOBILITY AND THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICE INDUSTRY, WE HAVE TESTED THE WATERS AND I THINK WE WANT TO BE REALLY INTENTIONAL. A PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ENGAGING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, WHETHER THAT'S THE INDUSTRY ITSELF, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, AND DRIVERS AS WELL. [00:35:02] I THINK WE WANT TO, AS COUNCILMAN MUNGIA SAID, IF WE COULD WAVE OUR MAGIC WAND, WE WOULD ALL BE GLINDA FOR A DAY AND REPLACE ALL CARS WITH THE VEHICLES. BUT I THINK JUST BEING REALISTIC AND SENSIBLE, WE KNOW THAT DRIVERS HAVE TO EXIST. WE KNOW THAT THE WAY OUR CITY IS BUILT, DRIVERS ARE GOING TO NEED TO COME FROM WHATEVER SUBURBS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN TO BE DOWNTOWN. HOW DO WE GET TO THE FUTURE THAT WE WANT WHILE MANAGING THE REALITY OF TODAY. SO WHAT I'VE HEARD IS FOR SURE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE OR MAYBE IT COULD BE ROLLED INTO IT, I THINK MAYBE THE HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE -- MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS HOLISTICALLY WITH ALL OF THESE INDUSTRIES TOGETHER IS WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF E-CARRIAGES ON PEDICABS, ON ALL OF THOSE OTHER VEHICLES AND HOW DO YOU CREATE A VERY INTENTIONAL TRANSITION. AND THEN ALSO, TO COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS' POINT, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION, IF IT IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY FROM HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE OPERATORS TO E-CARRIAGE OPERATORS, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION AS JUST AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SUPPORT ALONG THE WAY AND THAT THEY ARE A PART OF CRAFTING THE AUTHORIZATION AGREEMENTS. WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA. >> MUNGIA: YOU KNOW, WE HEARD ABOUT WAYMO POSSIBLY COMING TO SAN ANTONIO. WHERE WOULD THEY FALL INTO? >> WAYMO IS GOING TO BE LIKE UBER AND LYFT AND THEY WILL BE REGULATED AT THE STATE LEVEL. THEY WILL NOT BE REGULATED BY THE CITY. >> IT'S ALREADY IN STATE LAW, COUNCILMAN, THAT THE REGULATION IS AT THE STATE LEVEL. THEY ARE OPERATING IN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW FOR GOOGLE AND WAYMO EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE OPERATING IN TOWN AS WE SPEAK. >> MUNGIA: GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? DO YOU HAVE ALL THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? >> YES, COUNCIL MEMBER. I APPRECIATE IT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO -- WE'RE GOING TO DO ITEMS 3, 4, AND 5 ALL TOGETHER. DISCUSSION WILL BE SEVEN MINUTES FOR THE FIRST ROUND AND FIVE MINUTES FOR THE SECOND ROUND. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL. I'M JUAN AYALA, I'M THE INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND I'M GOING TO BRIEF YOU TODAY ON LOWERING THE PRIMA FACIE SPEED LIMITS IN THE CITY AND IMPROVING SAFETY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THE CCR THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY DISTRICT 7 IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. AGAIN, IT'S TO LOWER THE PRIMA FACIE SPEED LIMITS IN THE CITY AND IMPROVING SAFETY ON CITY STREETS. PRIORITIZING SPEED LIMITS IN NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF SCHOOLS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND PARKS. FUNDING FABRICATION PLACEMENT OF THE SIGNAGE, HEIGHTENING ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE AREAS, AND FORMALIZING AN INITIATIVE TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION. I WILL BRIEF YOU HERE LATER ON THE LEGISLATION THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN PLACE IN SOME OF OUR SESSIONS, THE BIANNUAL SESSIONS UP IN AUSTIN. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AND IT WAS PASSED ON, THE CCR, TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. THE CURRENT TRANSPORTATION CODE, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THIS. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT ANY CITY, ANY MUNICIPALITY CAN CHANGE THE PRIMA FACIE SPEED FROM 30 TO 25. HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE FIRST THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERING STUDY. AND THE ENGINEERING STUDY IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. IT APPLIES ONLY TO TWO-LANE, UNDIVIDED HIGHWAYS. IT'S EFFECTIVE WHEN THE GOVERNING BODY, THAT'S US, THAT'S YOU, ENACTS THIS CHANGE. AND BEFORE WE EVER DO THAT, WE HAVE TO -- WE, THE MUNICIPALITY, WHOEVER ENACTS THIS, HAS TO POST SIGNS, HAS TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF THE PRIMA FACIE OR THE SPEED LIMIT GOING FROM 30 TO 25. IF WE DO DO THIS OR IF CITIES DO THIS, MUNICIPALITIES ARE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH A REPORT TO THE STATE AND POST IT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WITH COMPARISONS FROM DATA FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, TRAFFIC CITATIONS, SPEED LIMIT VIOLATIONS, AND A NUMBER OF WARNING CITATIONS ISSUED FOR SPEED LIMIT VIOLATIONS. THIS HAS BEEN TRIED -- SALLY BASURTO IS HERE. 88TH TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THESE BILLS DIED [00:40:02] WITHOUT GOING FORWARD. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE BILLS, WHAT I THINK -- I DON'T THINK, IT IS A COMMON DENOMINATOR, IS THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE AWAY THE ENGINEERING STUDY. I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. IT IS, AGAIN, A STATE REQUIREMENT FOR US TO DO THE ENGINEERING STUDY. SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR FISCAL YEAR '27 IS A TRAFFIC STUDY. IF WE WANT TO DO THIS, IF WE WANT TO TAKE THIS INITIATIVE, WE HAVE TO CONDUCT TRAFFIC STUDIES. WE HAVE TO FUND FOR THE NEW SIGNAGE. OF COURSE, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO FUNDING IN OUR '26 BUDGET BUT WHAT I RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCILWOMAN YESTERDAY IS THAT WE DO A PILOT. AND THE PILOT, AGAIN, WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU FILED THE CCR, WOULD BE IN DISTRICT 7. YOU WOULD IDENTIFY TO US WHAT STREETS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF RADIUS OF SCHOOLS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, PARKS WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD IDENTIFY AS A PRIORITY LOCATION. WE WOULD DO THE ENGINEERING STUDY AND THEN WE WOULD GO FROM THERE TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS FORWARD. AGAIN, IT'S A FUNDING ISSUE AND WHATEVER THE ENGINEERING STUDY SAYS. WE LOOKED AT THE RECORD AND BACK -- IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO ON PRIMA FACIE, AND SOME OF THESE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. I THINK D5 DID ONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THE RESULTS -- I'LL PASS THE RESULTS ON. I JUST SCANNED THEM BECAUSE WE PULLED THEM UP TODAY -- WAS THAT THE PLACING OF THE SIGNS -- AGAIN, THIS IS ONE PILOT STUDY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. THE PLACING OF THE SIGNS DIDN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. HOWEVER, THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE MADE IF YOU ADD OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING ELEMENTS TO THE ACTUAL LOWERING OF THE SPEED. SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEPS. AND THEN CROSS DEPARTMENT COORDINATION. AGAIN, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? SO YOU HAVE TO TALK TO SAPD AND THEN THE ANNUAL REPORTING TO THE STATE. AND ALSO TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO GET WITH OUR ITSD FOLKS TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE PROPERLY AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE. AND SO, AGAIN, JUST TO FINALIZE IT AND IN CONCLUSION, I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH D7 AND YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT. OKAY. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 4 SO YOU'RE GOING TO STAY THERE. FOLLOWED BY MIKE FOR 5. >> OKAY. THIS IS A HOLISTIC TRAFFIC CALMING. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY D5. AGAIN, I'LL GO OVER THE CCR. SO, THE REQUEST TO ESTABLISH A MORE HOLISTIC, ROBUST WAY TO MEASURE AND ANALYZE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST. THAT ADDRESS, OF COURSE, RESIDENTS' CONCERNS. AND TO BE EVALUATED BY PUBLIC WORKS, BY TRANSPORTATION AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND TO CREATE A WEB INTERFACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STATUS OF THESE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUESTS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT. THE SOLUTIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING BOOK HAS BEEN COMPLETED. IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE ON 16 OF APRIL 2025. WHAT'S THE PROCESS NOW? IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, FOR A TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST -- LET ME JUST REMIND YOU THAT THESE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUESTS ARE TO ADDRESS EXTRAORDINARY PROBLEMS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. UNUSUALLY HIGH-TRAFFIC AREAS, VOLUMES, AND SPEEDS. THE DATA IS COLLECTED DURING PEAK PERIODS. WE CHECK IT MAINLY SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER, JANUARY, MAY. THAT IS WHEN THE HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IS GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR SPEED HUMPS IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. BUT THERE'S A $1 MILLION TRAFFIC CALMING ON VISION ZERO. THAT'S WHERE THAT FUNDING WOULD COME FROM. WE'VE IMPROVED PROGRAM REFINEMENTS -- IT WASN'T ME, IT WAS RAZI. ON THIS NUMBER OF SIGNATURES NEEDED. IN ORDER TO APPLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SHEET WITH SIGNATURES FROM CITIZENS AND IT HAD TO BE, IN THE PAST, TWO-THIRDS OF THE CITIZENS WERE AFFECTED BY BUILDING THE HUMPS, WHATEVER THE CALMING ELEMENT WAS. IT WAS REDUCED FROM TWO-THIRDS TO 51% OF THE [00:45:04] ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE MEASURED SPEED, OPERATING SPEED WAS REDUCED FROM 35 TO 32. AND 500 VEHICLES, A LOT OF VEHICLES, IT WAS ELIMINATED. THERE WAS NO MINIMUM VALUE ANYMORE. THE ELIMINATION OF LOCATION APPROVAL ONCE THE SPEED HUMP HAS BEEN FUNDED. IF YOU SIGN THAT, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THE SPEED HUMP WOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE . THAT HAS BEEN A CHANGE. AGAIN, IT'S WHEN FUNDING HAS BEEN APPROVED, NOT WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. AND THEN WE'RE TESTING A DIGITAL NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING APPLICATION AND DO THIS IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. THE TRAFFIC CALMING HANDBOOK. WE ARE GOING THROUGH IT. WE, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT -- WE SHOULD HAVE IT OUT TO YOU BY THE END OF THIS MONTH OR EARLY 2026. IT DEFINES THE ADVANTAGES AND USAGE OF AREAS TO AVOID AND THE LIMITATIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THE TREATMENTS. THE TRAFFIC CALMING BOOK HAS ABOUT 20 APPLICATIONS OF TRAFFIC CALMING. THEY'RE EVERYTHING FROM SPEED HUMPS TO -- YOU HAVE SEEN THEM. CONES, MARKINGS ON THE SIDEWALK. THERE'S ALL TYPES. THERE'S ABOUT 20 OF THEM AND WE'LL GET THEM OUT. WE'LL ALSO GET OUT SOME PICTURES TO THE COUNCIL ON THOSE RECENTLY-INSTALLED APPLICATIONS. I HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AFTER SOME OF THEIR EFFORTS. SO THE CITY POLICY, IT'S A POLICY COMPLETE STREETS PASSED IN 2024. IT'S CREATED A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, WHICH IS GOING UP FOR COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL HERE PRETTY SOON. AND IT'S DEVELOPING A COMPLETE STREETS DESIGN GUIDE. THE MISSION, THE GOAL OF COMPLETE STREETS -- I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, MAKING OUR STREETS SAFER, MORE ACCESSIBLE TO USERS, AND STREETS THAT ACCOMMODATE ALL NEEDS OR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL. IN 2024, COMPLETE STREETS POLICY PASSED AND IT WAS UPDATED FROM A 2011 POLICY TO MEET NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES. TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES, SMART GROWTH AMERICA, WHICH LOOKS AT THIS COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, IS NUMBER ONE IN THE NATION AT THIS POINT . COMPLETE STREETS WORKSHOP. THEY HELD A WORKSHOP TO LOOK AT COMPLETE STREETS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025. AND THEY COMPLETED THE TRAINING AND THEY DID CREATE THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OR ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE CCR. IT'S A 13-MEMBER BOARD. COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU'RE GOING TO NOMINATE YOUR OWN FROM EACH DISTRICT TO BE ON THIS COMPLETE STREETS COUNCIL. AND THEN THERE'S 13 OF THEM SO IT'S 10 AND IT'S VIA, AMPO AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONE. WE'RE COMPLETING OR DEVELOPING A COMPLETE STREETS DESIGN GUIDE, EXPECTED TO BE OUT SUMMER OF 2026. EASY TO USE, USER FRIENDLY. IT'S GOING TO INTEGRATE COMPLETE STREET ELEMENTS IN THE STREET DESIGNS. SO WHAT ARE THE CURRENT EFFORTS THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS DOING NOW? THEY HAVE DONE THESE STUDIES, ANALYSIS OF FIVE YEARS. '19 TO 2023. WHAT THIS LOOKED AT IS THE MOST CORRIDORS THAT HAD THE MOST SEVERE CRASHES. YOU KNOW, LIFE AND DEATH TYPE OF THINGS. AND WE'LL PASS THESE OUT TO YOU. THEY ALSO DID A HIGH-RISK NETWORK ANALYSIS OF NINE ROADWAY AND ATTRIBUTES FOR TEN YEARS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE FROM 2023. THEY COMPARED THEM TO ROADWAY AT B ATTRIBUTE HAS A CORRESPONDING FACTOR. IF A ROAD HAS A SPEED LIMIT OF 45 MILES PER HOUR, WHAT WAS THE PROBABILITY THAT IT'S A HIGH-RISK NETWORK? WE'VE GOT THOSE CHARTS AND WE'LL GET THEM OUT TO YOU. AND THEN WE'RE DEVELOPING HIGH-INJURY NETWORK DASHBOARD FOR PUBLIC ACCESS ON THE WEBSITE. I THINK IT'S READY. I'M TALKING TO THE TEAM AND WE'LL TRY TO GET IT OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. MORE CURRENT EFFORTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW ARE THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL. WE, TRANSPORTATION, RECEIVED A GRANT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN $520,000. BUT IT IDENTIFIES THE QUICK [00:50:01] BUILD GUIDE WE'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S ID, DEMONSTRATE, AND EVALUATION. AND THE EVALUATION, THE TIMELINE ON THIS, IDENTIFY IN 2026, THE THREE PHASES TO DEVELOP THE DRAFT, AND THEN DEMONSTRATE THEM IN 2027, AND THEN EVALUATION IN 2028. THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEF ON BOTH OF THESE CCRS. AND I KNOW THERE'S A BRIEF BEHIND ME BUT WE'RE STANDING BY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M MIKE SHANNON. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT AND I'M GOING TO GO OVER ANOTHER CCR REAL QUICKLY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED A LITTLE EARLIER THIS YEAR CALLED ENSURING INTEGRITY IN LOCAL CONTRACTS. SO, THIS CCR WAS SUBMITTED BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 5 BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. WENT TO GOVERNANCE ALSO IN APRIL, LIKE THE OTHERS. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF IT'S NOT SPEED LIMITS AND SOME OF THE STREET DESIGNS AND STUFF. BUT THIS ONE IS LOOKING TO UPDATE OUR CITY'S ORDINANCE ON WAGE AND LABOR STANDARD PROVISIONS. SO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW BUT THE CCR IS ASKING US TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE STRENGTHEN IT. LOOK AT OTHER TEXAS CITIES FOR ORDINANCES ON WAGE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND THOSE TYPES O THINGS. LOOKING AT MAYBE ESTABLISHING, IF THERE IS A REPEAT OFFENDER LIST, IF THERE ARE ANY CONTRACTORS OUT THERE NOT PAYING THE PREVAILING WAGES REQUIRED BY OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE. AND MAYBE UPDATE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE ON ANTI-RETALIATION. THIS WAS REFERRED TO THIS COMMITTEE BACK IN APRIL. SO, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY. WE HAVE HAD AN ORDINANCE, A CITY ORDINANCE -- THERE ARE SOME STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS THAT COVER THIS AS WELL. IN 1990 WAS OUR FIRST CITY ORDINANCE ON THIS. IT WAS UPDATED IN 2008. AND REALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS FOR CITY CONTRACTS OR CONTRACTS TO BUILD SOMETHING WITH CITY FUNDS, IT REQUIRES WAGE AND LABOR STANDARDS FOR THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND THAT WE HAVE A MONITORING MECHANISM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IN THE DEPARTMENT CALLED OUR LABOR COMPLIANCE OFFICE. SO IT APPLIES TO ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE CITY FUNDING. WORKERS HAVE TO BE PAID NO LESS THAN THE PREVAILING WAGE RATES BY U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. WE HAVE CATEGORIES FOR DIFFERENT WORKERS. THOSE ARE SET BY OUR CONTRACTS. WE HAVE PRE-BID MEETINGS, ET CETERA, PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS, MAKE SURE IT'S ALL CLEAR. AND THEN THE CITY ACTUALLY MONITORS THAT. THOSE WEEKLY PAYMENTS, THE PAYROLLS COME TO THE CITY. WE REVIEW THOSE AND WE FIND ANY ERRORS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE CORRECTED BY THE CONTRACTOR. WE CAN WITHHOLD PAYMENTS, BY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. WE HAVE STAFF IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT DOES THAT ALL DAY EVERY DAY. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR OUR LABOR COMPLIANCE OFFICE TEAM MEMBERS? AGAIN, DURING SOLICITATION AND PRE-BID, IT'S A STANDARD PART OF OUR PROCESS. WE'LL DETERMINE, BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE TYPE OF WORKERS THAT WE NEED, WHETHER IT'S BUILDING, HIGHWAY, HEAVY, EITHER INDUSTRIAL. SO THE SPECIFIC WAGES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO EACH PERSON THAT WILL BE ON THE JOB. THAT'S DISCUSSED AGAIN AT THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE SELECT AND START THE PROCESS. AND WE LOOK AT THOSE WEEKLY. THEY'RE SUBMITTED WEEKLY TO US. WE GO OVER THAT. THERE'S A PROGRAM CALLED LCP TRACKER THAT THE CONTRACTOR USES TO SUBMIT THOSE. OUR TEAM REVIEWS THOSE. WE ALSO DO JOB SITE VISITS TO INTERVIEW WORKERS. THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. WE ALSO DO INVESTIGATIONS, IF WE GET ANY CALLS FROM WORKERS THAT SAY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAID OR THERE'S WAGE THEFT COMPLIANCE ISSUES. AND THEN WE WILL ISSUE PENALTIES, IF NEEDED. BUT, AGAIN, AT THE PROJECT CLOSEOUT, WE WON'T CLOSE OUT OUR PROJECT UNTIL EVERYTHING IS SQUARE AND IN COMPLIANCE. AGAIN, ON OUR MONITORING, HOW WE DO IT, THAT LCP TRACKER, THEY SUBMIT IT TO US. THOSE PAYROLLS ARE ENTERED BY THE CONTRACTORS. WE LOOKED AT 24,000 LAST YEAR. WE LOOK AT THEM WEEKLY. WE ALSO HAVE ON-SITE INTERVIEWS. WE HAVE TO DO THREE TIMES PER QUARTER OR TYPICALLY ONCE A MONTH WE GO ON SITE, INTERVIEW SOME WORKERS, MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THE RULES. THE NOTICES ARE UP THERE, PER THE CODE. AND THAT THE APPROVED PAYROLLS ARE UPLOADED. IF WE DO GET COMPLAINTS -- WE DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. WE ONLY GET A COUPLE OF YEAR THAT ARE REACTIVE COMPLAINTS. WE WILL INVESTIGATE THOSE. OUR TEAM WILL DO THAT. IF WE FIND ANY ERRORS OR [00:55:03] PENALTIES, PER-DAY PENALTIES, UNTIL IT'S CORRECTED BY THE CONTRACTOR. THE CCR HAD SEVERAL PROPOSALS. THOSE ARE KIND OF ON THE LEFT. WHAT'S EXISTING IS ON THE RIGHT. REALLY, WHAT I THINK IS POSTED IN THE ORDINANCE IS TAKING OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE AND REALLY STRENGTHENING IT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SAYS IF WE FIND REPEAT VIOLATIONS, WE MAY TERMINATE THE CONTRACT OR WE MAY HOLD THAT AGAINST THEM IN FUTURE BIDS. I THINK THE PROPOSAL WANTS US TO TURN THAT INTO A "SHALL." IF WE FIND SOMEONE WHO CONSISTENTLY DOES IT OR A HABITUAL PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, VIOLATES THE WAGE PROVISIONS, THAT WE SHALL NOT USE THEM. AND PUT THEM ON A LIST FOR THREE YEARS. THAT MIRRORS THE RESPONSE TO OUR ORDINANCE WE CREATED. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN PROPONENTS OF THIS PROPOSAL. ALSO, GIVE MORE TIME TO WORKERS IS A PROPOSAL. RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD SINCE '08 SAYS IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN OR SEND IN A COMPLAINT THAT YOU'RE BEING IN VIOLATION OF THIS, IF YOU'RE A WORKER, YOU HAVE 60 DAYS TO DO THAT. THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE THAT TO 180 DAYS, SIMILAR TO THE TEXAS PAY DAY LAW. AND THEN, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME OTHER STANDARDS OUT THERE, LIKE THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT THAT CONTAINS TWO YEARS. THEY CAN STILL GO THROUGH THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE CITY. THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT OTHER STUDIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH ANY THEFT DATABASES. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. ESTABLISH A REPEAT OFFENDER LIST, IF THERE IS ONE. NOW, WE HAVE -- I THINK I TOLD YOU, WE DID 24,000 OR SO PAYROLL REVIEWS LAST YEAR. WE FOUND ABOUT 107 ERRORS. WHEN THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED, THE CONTRACTOR QUICKLY MADE AMENDS TO THAT. WE FOUND MISCELLANEOUS ERRORS. LIKE SOMETHING WAS TYPED IN WRONG. MAYBE THE PERSON WAS ASSIGNED THE WRONG WAGE CATEGORY WHEN THEY ENTERED IN THE PAYROLL. WE DIDN'T FIND THIS YEAR ANY HABITUAL ERRORS THAT WEREN'T CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY. BUT IF WE DID, THIS WOULD GIVE US MORE TEETH TO KEEP THEM OFF THE LIST FOR LOW BIDS IN THE FUTURE, SIMILAR TO OUR RESPONSIBLE BIDDERS. WE COULD, ALSO AS PROPOSED, UPDATE SOME SPECIFIC ANTI-RETALIATION. WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS, HEY, A WORKER SHOULDN'T BE RETALIATED AGAINST IF THEY MAKE A CLAIM. THERE WAS A PROPOSAL IN THIS ORDINANCE TO STRENGTHEN THAT LANGUAGE AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE I RECOMMEND WE PUT A GROUP TOGETHER OF STAKEHOLDERS. KIND OF A DIVERSE GROUP. WE HAVE OUR LABOR COMPLIANCE OFFICE AND OTHER CITY STAFF, BUT BECAUSE THIS ALSO HAS SOME STATE AND FEDERAL RULES, WE NEED THE INDUSTRY THERE. WE NEED LABOR ORGANIZATIONS, WE NEED CONTRACTOR ORGANIZATIONS, WHETHER UNION OR NOT. BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE PUT THAT TOGETHER AND RETURN TO THIS COMMITTEE IN A FEW MONTHS WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN UPDATED ORDINANCE. SO, THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. AGAIN, AS JUAN MENTIONED, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANY MOTIONS ON THESE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY AT THE CONCLUSION OF OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION. THE FIRST ROUND WILL BE SEVEN MINUTES. THE LAST ROUND WILL BE FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 5 INCLUDES A STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IN MY OPINION DOES REQUIRE A MOTION. IT WAS MENTIONED TO BEGIN A PILOT PROGRAM BUT ITEM 4 JUST LISTS EFFORTS. ARE YOU REQUESTING AN ACTION IN SUPPORT OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL? >> COUNCILMAN, I THINK IN SUPPORT OF THE PILOT PROGRAM, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR ITEM 4, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A MOTION BUT 3 AND 5 WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> CORRECT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I'M GOING TO START OFF. I MENTIONED SOMETIME AGO THAT COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO AND I FILED A CCR CALLING FOR A CITYWIDE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT COULD RECOMMEND SOLUTIONS TO SPEEDING, CONGESTION, AND ALL OF THAT. I THINK IN THE CONFUSION OF MANY ORDINANCE CHANGES AND COMMITTEE CHANGES THAT SORT OF DISAPPEARED. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE AS A RESULT OF THIS CCR THAT COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO HAS FILED, THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THAT POINT ANYWAY, STARTING WITH THE PILOT PROGRAM IN DISTRICT 7, WHICH I'LL BE SUPPORTING. I WANT US TO USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT OUR CODE AND ESPECIALLY THE WAY NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE DESIGNED. THE DRIVERS TEND TO GET A LITTLE GAS-HEAVY ON. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, AHEAD OF OUR UDC AMENDMENT PROCESS, TO CONDUCT SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS OF OUR CODE TO DETERMINE WHICH PROVISIONS LEND THEMSELVES TO DANGEROUS TRAFFIC CONDITIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE A PERSONAL REQUEST OF MINE. FOR ITEM 4 AND 5, I DO HAVE TWO LETTERS FROM COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. I'LL ASK THEY BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. ONE IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF ITEM 5, WHICH I'LL ALSO SUPPORT TODAY. THE SECOND IS A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION THAT MANY OF [01:00:03] US HAVE EXPERIENCED. I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE GOTTEN TRAFFIC CALMING APPLICATIONS AND FOLKS ARE GOING OUT TO COLLECT SIGNATURES, WE HAVE OFTEN BEEN TOLD RENTER SIGNATURES COUNT TOWARDS THAT THRESHOLD, BUT IN THE SLIDE IT ONLY SAYS PROPERTY OWNERS. CAN I GET SOME FINAL CLARIFICATION. DO RENTERS COUNT TOWARD THAT 51%? >> YES. I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED IT IN THE SLIDES. YES, RENTERS DO COUNT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL START OFF WITH COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. WE KNOW THAT SPEEDING IMPACTS EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT. I THINK IT'S ONE OF OUR TOP RESIDENT CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND FOR DISTRICT 7 RESIDENTS, IT'S BEEN A CONCERN SINCE BEFORE I TOOK OFFICE. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO HAVE FILED THIS CCR TO TRY TO GET TO WORK TOWARDS A SOLUTION. YOU KNOW, THIS SPECIFICALLY, AS JUAN MENTIONED, THE CCR WOULD CREATE SPEED LIMIT CHANGES AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS NEAR COMMUNITY POINTS OF INTEREST SUCH AS SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND LIBRARIES. Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. NONE OF US SPEED THROUGH ALAMO HEIGHTS OR CASTLE HILLS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET A HEFTY TICKET. WE CAN'T POLICE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. WE CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH POLICE TO CATCH EVERY SPEEDER SO WE'RE TRYING TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM AT DIFFERENT ANGLES. WE HAVE TO ADDRESS RESIDENT CONCERNS. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY TELLING US AT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS SPEEDING IS A PROBLEM ON RESIDENT STREETS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE STATE BUREAUCRACY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. BUT THE HEFTY CHARGE FOR A CITYWIDE STUDY. I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKEN IT TO OUR LOOSE AND DANGEROUS DOG POLICY PROPOSAL. YES, WE'RE GOING TO CONSTANTLY GET CAUGHT UP AT THE STATE. WE CAN WORK THAT ANGLE BUT WE CAN ALSO TAKE MATTERS INTO OUR OWN HANDS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AT A MUNICIPAL LEVEL TO ADDRESS OUR RESIDENT CONCERNS. WE HAVE SEVERAL VIDEOS LIKE THIS ON MY PHONE. BUT THERE'S A CAR FLIPPING EXAMPLE IN MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS GET THOSE VIDEOS FROM OUR RESIDENTS ALL THE TIME, TAKEN ON THEIR RING CAMERAS, A CAR SPEEDING DOWN A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET HITTING ANOTHER CAR. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP IT. SO THE INTENT OF THE CCR IS TO HIGHLIGHT CONCERNS I HAVE HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORHOD ASSOCIATIONS AND FROM RESIDENTS AND TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S DATA THAT MERITS SUPPORTING LOWERING SPEED LIMITS IN OTHER HIGH-PRIORITY AREAS. I'M GLAD TO START THE PILOT IN DISTRICT 7 BUT I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE ALL HAD AREAS THAT WE COULD WORK TOWARDS TOGETHER IN EACH OF OUR DISTRICTS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. HOPE TO EARN Y'ALL'S SUPPORT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. I'LL GO QUICKLY ON ITEM 4 AND 5. I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO FOR BRINGING ITEM 4, THIS POLICY FORWARD. SOME OF THE MOST REQUESTED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MY RESIDENTS IS TRAFFIC CALMING IMPROVEMENTS. WE RECEIVE SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR SPEED BUMPS, SIGNALIZED LIGHTS -- RESIDENTS ARE STOPPING ME FOR STOP SIGNS. FOR ME IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SEE HOW LONG THESE ITEMS TAKE TO COME TO LIFE AND USUALLY THEY'RE CAUSED BY HORRIFIC ACCIDENTS. LIKE DEATHS. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I HEARD ABOUT WHEN I WAS ELECTED WAS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT FINE SILVER AND WE'RE BARELY GETTING THAT DONE . I THINK IT TAKES TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL DONE. THERE'S ONE IN THE THUNDERBIRD HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MOTORCYCLE CRASHES THAT RESULTS IN A FATALITY AND WE'RE REACTING I WAS GLAD COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BECAUSE WE CAN DO BETTER AS A CITY AND I THINK THE CCR IS TAKING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. REALLY QUICKLY ON NUMBER 5, I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE CCR. IT'S CRUCIAL THAT WE ENSURE PEOPLE THAT LITERALLY BUILD OUR CITY ARE GETTING PAID FAIRLY FOR THEIR WORK. WE KNOW THAT WAGE THEFT IS UNACCEPTABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES TAXPAYER DOLLARS. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO FORM A STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE PROPOSED CHANGES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. FOR ITEM NO. 3, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT, IS THAT JUST REDUCING IT FROM 30 TO 25? >> YES. IT'S IN CODE. IT'S IN THE LAW. >> MUNGIA: SO YOU CAN'T GET A STREET THAT'S 50 AND REDUCE IT DOWN TO 25? >> NO. WE CAN'T. LET ME LOOK MORE INTO THAT, [01:05:04] BUT I ASKED THAT QUESTION AND IT WAS NO. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE -- AND HOW MUCH DOES A STUDY COST TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL DISTRICT? >> IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR STREET -- >> MUNGIA: I WANT TO KNOW THE AVERAGE. IF COUNCILWOMAN IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDS. IF THERE'S OTHER DISTRICTS, WE CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THAT WITH OUR OWN BUDGET, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE LOOKING INTO AS WELL. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AGAIN, IT DOES MATTER WHERE IT'S DONE. GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. BUT THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS ABOUT 40K. >> MUNGIA: $40,000? OKAY. AND IT STAYED 25? >> WELL, IT WAS AN ENGINEERING STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR THE PRIMA FACIE. >> MUNGIA: DID THAT REMAIN AT 25? >> YES. >> MUNGIA: SO IT'S STILL 25 TO THIS DAY? >> NO, DISTRICT 5 HAS NOT LOWERED THEIR PRIMA FACIE. >> JUAN, WHAT THE COUNCILMAN IS ASKING ABOUT IN THE PILOT EXAMPLE YOU USED FROM SEVERAL YEARS BACK, THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING STUDY THAT WAS DONE. THE SPEED LIMIT WAS LOWERED TO 25. WE STUDIED WHETHER THAT HAD ANY IMPACT ON DRIVERS. THERE SEEMED TO BE VERY LITTLE IMPACT. I THINK THE QUESTION IS: IS IT STILL 25 TODAY? AND IT IS. >> YES. >> MUNGIA: IT IS? GREAT. GOOD TO KNOW. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHY I ALWAYS TRY TO FOCUS ON TRAFFIC CALMING IS OF COURSE THE OUTCOMES. SO I THINK CERTAINLY -- I GOT ASKED ABOUT THIS AT AN HOA ABOUT LOWERING THE SPEED LIMITS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH REDUCTION THERE IS ON MEASUREMENT AFTER THE FACT THERE IS. I THINK ITEM NO. 4 IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY TRAFFIC CALMING THAT PHYSICALLY REDUCES IS LOOKING AT OUR NEW BUILDS. BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN MY DISTRICT. WE HAVE VITA. BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION. WITHIN A YEAR, HERE'S AN APPLICATION FOR SPEED HUMPS. THAT SHOULD NOT EXIST, RIGHT? AND SO WE TALK ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS, ANOTHER ONE OF MY SUBDIVISIONS HAD A ROUNDABOUT. IF WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT WITH ROUNDABOUTS IN THEM AS TRAFFIC CALMING FOR THE LARGER ONES, WE'RE SOLVING THAT PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS ON TO OUR BOOKS . I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY AN APPETITE FOR UDC CHANGES, ESPECIALLY AT THE PCDC FOR THOSE CHANGES AT DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE STREETS THAT ARE PRODUCED THAT WE KNOW CARS ARE GOING TO BE SPEEDING ON, JUST BY THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. I THINK TRAFFIC HAS THE DATA TO BACK THAT UP. WHERE WE LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF THE STREETS WHERE WE ARE PUTTING SPEED HUMPS ON. COMPARE THAT TO NEW STREETS. WE CAN ASSUME THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIMILAR SPEEDING INCIDENT. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR UDC THINGS GOING FORWARD. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AT, AS THE TRAFFIC-CALMING FORUM, THE THINGS YOU'VE LOOKED AT, I THINK IT BENEFICIAL FOR FOLKS TO GET THOSE. WHAT I DO THINK IS AN ISSUE STILL IS SOMETIMES IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A RESIDENT TO GET SIGNATURES JUST FOR BARRIERS' SAKE. THEY'RE ELDERLY, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE FENCES, THERE'S DOGS ISSUES, RIGHT? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING MAILOUT APPLICATIONS SO IF THERE'S A SPECIAL REQUEST OR CERTAIN THRESHOLD YOU MEET, YOU BASICALLY MAIL THAT APPLICATION TO THOSE PEOPLE ON THE STREET, HAVE THEM SIGN OFF YES OR NO AND HAVE THEM SEND IT BADGE IT'S LIKE THE STREET LIGHTS. WHEN WE DO THE STREET LIGHT APPROVALS WE SEND OUT MAILERS, WE GET THAT BACK, VERSUS SOMEONE HAVING TO GO DOWN STREET AND GET SIGNATURES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. >> SINCE I'VE BEEN IN HUER NO, BUT LET ME ASK HAVE WE GONE ABOUT THAT? >> >> MUNGIA: YEAH, LET'S PILOT IT IN DISTRICT 4. >> WE'LL PILOT IT IN DISTRICT 4. >> YEAH. MARCUS TAKE THAT DOWN. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FACILITATE THAT AND BARRIERS. WE CAN HELP WHERE WE CAN, BUT AS SOON AS ONE PERSON HEARS THAT WE WENT DOWN A STREET TO GET SIGNATURES, EVERYBODY SUDDENLY NEEDS SPEED HUMPS ALSO. SO THERE'S A CAPACITY ISSUE FOR HELP IN THAT, AND I THINK MAILING OUT SOMETHING IS HELPFUL TO THEM, EVEN IF THERE'S A COST TO IT, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT LOOKING INTO IT. AND YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I TALKED TO JOHN PETEREK ABOUT THIS RECENTLY WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. [01:10:03] WE HAD A FEW IN D4 THAT ARE STILL NEEDING TO B TAKING LONGER THAN THE TRADITIONAL TWO OR THREE YEARS. THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET, BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT ALWAYS ADHERING TO THE TWO-YEAR RULE. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNCILWOMAN SAID, WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO TEXT ME EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON MILITARY AND INGRAM, WHEREVER THAT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THEY KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE UP, HASN'T BEEN PLACED YET AND ACCIDENTS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN AT THAT INTERSECTION. SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TELL THEM IT'S COMING, IT'S COMING, IT'S COMING, AND THERE ARE STILL ACCIDENTS HAPPENING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS THAT HAVE TROUBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PARTS AND LABOR, IT'S BEEN PAID FOR, IT'S BEEN STUDIED. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE TIGHTENING ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE IN A TIMELY MANNER WHEN THEY NEED TO BE INSTALLED. >> I AGREE. WE'LL LOOK AT IT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE CONTRACTOR ISSUE, A LOT OF IT IS TIMING, A LOT IS WEATHER. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ISSUES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> AND JOHN IS HELPING TOO. APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS ITEM NUMBER 5 GOES, I APPRECIATE THIS. I THINK IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO GET A LARGE AMOUNT OF STAKEHOLDERS. I THINK MICHAEL SHANNON, IF HE'S STILL HERE -- I COULDN'T SEE YOU. YOU'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT GETTING STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER AND I WOULDN'T -- THE T WORD, BUT I THINK YOU'LL DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD -- TASK FORCE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. [LAUGHTER]. HE'S DONE A LOT OF TASK FORCES. PLEASE GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN ON THE INPUT. APPRECIATE THAT. >> WE'LL GET A GROUP TOGETHER. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. >> RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. SO FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM IN -- IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO POINT OF AVERAGE COST, RIGHT? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET -- I'LL START WITH THIS QUESTION. WHAT WOULD BE THE SCOPE OF SAID PILOT PROGRAM? WOULD IT BE LOOKING SOLELY AT CHANGING SPEED LIMITS OR IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE OTHER TRAFFIC-CALMING SOLUTIONS WITHIN THAT? >> SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I'LL LET JUAN GO. THE NEED THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT, THE ENGINEERING STUDY. BUT WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR OWN EXPERIENCE AND FROM THE SCIENCE THAT EXISTS AROUND TRAFFIC-CALMING IS CHANGING IT TO 25 HAS A SMALL IMPACT, BUT WHAT HAS A LARGER IMPACT IS CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 AND THEN OFFERING SOME SORT OF OTHER FRICTION IN THE ROADWAY, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, A SPEED BUMP, WHETHER THAT BE A BULB OUT AT AN INTERSECTION. WHETHER THAT BE ALLOWING PARKING SO THAT IT FEELS NARROWER. THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMBINATION OF VENTS. AND WE CAN WORK WITH -- OF EVENTS. AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING STUDY TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL, BUT WE KNOW THEM INTUITIVELY. THEY'RE IN THE TRAFFIC HANDBOOK, RIGHT? BUT WHAT'S NECESSARY AND TO TRY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN IS TO STUDY THE SPEED LIMIT PORTION, RIGHT? SO IT COULD, BUT I THINK IT WOULD INCREASE THE COST, TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IT. >> RODRIGUEZ: I GUESS WITH A WIDER SCOPE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IF IT'S POSSIBLE IN WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO THAT-- LOOKING BACK AT CITYWIDE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, LOOKING AT EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT, LOOKING AT DISTRICT 7, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO DO JUST THE SPEED LIMIT ANALYSIS VERSUS ALL OF IT. AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DISTRICTS -- WE CAN DO THAT FOR EVERY DISTRICT AND THEN FIGURE OUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO, IS IT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN A LATER BUDGET CYCLE? >> BUT LIKE JOHN WAS SAYING, THE MOST EFFECTIVE IS WHEN YOU HAVE SCUFF, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD QUICK BUILD BECAUSE IT'S TEMPORARY AND IT TOOLS TAKE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO PUT ON THE ROAD. BUT SPEED HUMPS, THOSE 29 ITEMS IN THE TRAFFIC-CALMING BOOK, PLUS THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, I WAS JUST TALKING TO SOMEONE, OUR SAPD FOLKS, ARE YOU ALL HERE? IS THAT THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOK AT THEM AND THEY STILL SPEED. >> RODRIGUEZ: I'M WITH Y'ALL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELL ME ANY FURTHER. I GOT YOU. >> WHATEVER THE PILOT IS WE'LL -- YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO DO. >> RODRIGUEZ: GOTCHA. JUST THE INFORMATION I'M REQUESTING AND THAT I WOULD GET TO GET IN A FOLLOW-UP MEMO WOULD BE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE THE -- JUST THE SPEED, THE SPEED LIMIT ANALYSIS, WHAT WOULD THAT COST FOR EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT IF THEY WANTED TO DO DISTRICT-WIDE, AND FOR THE MORE HOLISTIC TRAFFIC-CALMING WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE TO DO THAT ANALYSIS IN EACH DISTRICT. >> WE CAN WORK ON THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE PILOT ISN'T THE ENTIRETY OF DISTRICT 7. WE'RE GOING TO PICK A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA IN [01:15:04] A QUARTER-MILE OF A CERTAIN SCHOOL OR CHURCH OR COMMUNITY CENTER, WHATEVER THAT IS. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRETY, RIGHT? THOSE WILL BE LARGE NUMBERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IN A REAL WAY VERSUS PRESENTING A VERY LARGE NUMBER THAT IS SCARY AND OVER BURDENED. >> I WANT THE SCARY NUMBER. TELL ME WHAT THE FULL MEAT IS. YES, COUNCILWOMAN. >> GAVITO: IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN MUNGIA IS SPOT ON. AS WE'RE DOING THIS WE NEED TO BE FORWARD THINKING AND DOING THINGS RIGHT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M CURIOUS, YES, WE CAN DO THE ANALYSIS OF LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT, SPEED BUMPS, BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS TO TODAY'S COSTS OF US CONSTANTLY REACTING AND WAITING AND UNFORTUNATELY DEATHS IN SOME INSTANCES. SO WHILE I THINK IT WOULD BE HEFTY TO LOOK AT A SPEED LIMIT CHANGE ACROSS EACH DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT COST IS -- WHEN COMPARED TO THE ALTERNATIVE OF US CONSTANTLY REACTING. AND YOU KNOW, JUST UNSAFE STREETS. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. >> RODRIGUEZ: ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS. >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WAS THINKING ALONG THE SAME THING. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY, LIKE LET'S SAY I HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY ON ONE OF MY ROADS THAT MEETS THIS CRITERIA WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND IT GIVES ME THE IMPACT TO HAVE RUMBLERS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ROAD-CALMING MECHANISMS WE HAVE. CAN YOU COMBINE THAT THEN WITH JUST THE 25 MILES PER HOUR PORTION OF THAT STUDY? AND MAYBE WE COULD EVEN EXPAND THAT FURTHER. IF YOU'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, DO YOU SEE HOW IT COULD BE A COST SAVINGS IF WE'RE DOING -- WE'RE ALWAYS DOING THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND THEY DO HAVE THAT ON WHAT'S MOST IMPACTFUL AND JUST ADD THE SPEED LIMIT COMPONENT TO IT. ARE WE DOING THAT? >> AND MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING TOO. I THINK I'M HERE WITH YOU. IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS THAT PROOF ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT? OR WOULD IT REDUCE COSTS TO JUST ADD ON -- >> SPEARS: TO USE THAT ALONGSIDE AND THEN MAYBE THE STUDY PART ON JUST THE SPEED LIMIT. >> WHAT I HEAR THE COUNCILWOMAN SAYING IS MAYBE THERE'S BEEN A PREVIOUS ENGINEERING STUDY TO OFFER A TRAFFIC-CALMING SOLUTION NOT THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGE. SO THAT WHOLE STUDY IS THERE FOR TO ADD A SPEED BUMP OR RUMBLE STRIP OR TRAFFIC TABLE -- SPEED TABLE. AND NOW SHE WANTS TO STUDY THE SPEED LIMIT IN THAT SAME AREA, YES, THEY COULD BE COMBINED. >> SPEARS: MIGHT SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. >> I STILL HAVE TO STUDY THE SPEED LIMIT PORTION, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANOTHER ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA, I THINK IT COULD BE USED. >> SPEARS: LET'S SAY WE START IN ONE OF YOUR STREETS AND WE LOVE IT, THEN I CAN MAYBE ROLL THAT OUT ON SEVERAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER? PAST FIVE YEARS OF TRAFFIC STUDIES ON THOSE ROADS? IS THAT REASONABLE? >> I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK WHEN YOU COMBINE THE TRAFFIC CALMING WITH THE SPEED, I THINK IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND FROM THE STUDIES THAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER, IT'S BOTH. >> SPEARS: I COMPLETELY AGREE. IN MY WORK AT THE COUNTY IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT COME IN AND WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE IMPACT. YOU COULD ANTICIPATE, BUT THEN SOMETHING INEVITABLY WOULD COME UP. THE EXIT WASN'T PUT IN THE RIGHT SPOT, DA, DA, DA. AND NOW WE'VE GOT HUGE PROBLEMS AND BOTTLE NECKS, ET CETERA. SO THERE'S THIS PART THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, IT IS BETTER TO WAIT JUST UNTIL YOU SEE THE TRUE IMPACTS, BUT THEN ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN DO HE THE FRONT END LIKE YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE AND MAKE SENSE? BUT I DO LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO COMBINE THOSE WHERE POSSIBLE. SO TO ADD MORE COMPLICATION TO THAT IS I HAVE ISSUES ON MY FARM TO MARKETS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THOSE? BECAUSE THAT'S TXDOT REGULATED AND I HAVE SCHOOLS ALL OVER MY FARM TO MARKETS, BLANCO, NORTHWEST MILITARY. IN FACT, MOST OF THEM ARE ON FARM TO MARKETS NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, IN MY DISTRICT. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE, I WOULD THINK. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THAT SAME PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST DISTRICT 9? >> I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A LARGER COORDINATION AT THE STATE LEVEL. I THINK YOU REALIZE THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE A MUCH LARGER CHANGE. BUT ONE THAT WE COULD ADVOCATE FOR IN THE NEXT SESSION. >> SPEARS: IS THERE A WAY TO THEN INCORPORATE COMPLETE STREET ELEMENTS INTO THIS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING TO REACH [01:20:03] THE LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AT ALL? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING? >> I THINK THE MOVE TOWARDS COMPLETE STREETS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNTS AS WE WORK ON LONG RANGE BOND PROJECTS. I THINK IT IS ALTERING SOME PIECES OF THE PROJECT, BUT IT ISN'T CHANGING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF THE ROADWAY. SO IT'S HAPPENING, BUT AT A SLOWER SPACE THROUGH GROUND PROJECTS. >> SPEARS: I UNDERSTAND. SO THEN THAT KIND OF COVERED 4 FOR ME, I GUESS. NUMBER 3; OUR ITSD READY FOR THIS SORT OF SHIFT ONCE WE HAVE ALL THIS NEW DATA ON THE PREMIUM MA FASCIA SPEED LIMITS? >> THEY ARE. IN A WAY, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY ROLL IT OUT EARLY 2026. >> SPEARS: GOOD. THAT'S GOOD TO GO. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THE COST ESTIMATE TO REPLACE THE SIGNS WITH THE 25 MILES PER HOUR SIGNAGE OR EVEN JUST OUR PILOT AREA? DO YOU KNOW? >> I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. WE JUST DID 34 SIGNS -- I THINK IT WAS FOR YOU. 34 SIGNS AND IT WAS $1,500. THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE. >> 1500? >> THAT WAS FOR THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT THAT YOU ASKED FOR, THIS WAS 33 SIGNS THAT I RECALL AND THAT WAS THE COST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME COST FOR ALL SIGNS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> SPEARS: OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ON NUMBER 5, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE IDEAS OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT THE BOARD -- HOW BIG YOU WANT IT TO BE, ANY CRITERIA THERE? >> YEAH. USUALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS I'LL REACH OUT TO A FEW ORGANIZATIONS. I'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE QUON IN DISTRICT 5, IT'S HER CCR, BUT USUALLY A DOZEN, 15 PEOPLE WOULD BE AS HIGH AS YOU WANT TO GO. THERE WERE A FEW ABOUT 20, BUT THOSE WERE A LITTLE BIGGER IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE DEVELOPMENT CODE-RELATED ITEMS WE HAD A LOT MORE MAYBE STAKEHOLDER. I'M THINKING ABOUT A DOZEN, A DOZEN OR SO IS PROBABLY ABOUT THE RIGHT NUMBER. >> SPEARS: GOOD NUMBER. >> PLUS OR MINUS, DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT. >> SPEARS: A BAKER'S DOZEN. >> THERE YOU GO. >> SPEARS: I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND. SO IN THESE PROJECTS OFTEN YOU'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SUBS THAT YOU WILL USE. IS THERE A WAY TO IDENTIFY -- SOMETIMES THE AWARD GOES TO AN ENTITY, BUT REALLY IT'S MAYBE ONE OF THEIR SUBS THAT IS VIOLATING. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PENALIZING, YOU KNOW, THE -- >> SURE. WELL, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, SO WE LOOK AT SUBS AND THE PRIME. SO THE PRIME AND SUBS, THE ORDINANCE IS FOR ANY OF THOSE ON THE CITY PROJECT -- CITY-FUNDED PROJECT. THE CODE RIGHT NOW DOES SAY THE PRIME IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THEIR SUBS FOLLOW THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS. [BUZZER]. BUT WE DO SAY IF THERE'S A SUBWE'LL WORK WITH THAT SUBAND WE THINK IF WE DEVELOP SOME LANGUAGE OR LANGUAGE UPDATES, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF HOW TO IDENTIFY THAT SUB, IF THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE PUT ON THE -- I'LL CALL IT THE THREE-YEAR BANNED LIST IF THEY WERE IN VIOLATION. THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PRECLUDE THEM ON SOLICITATIONS IN THE FUTURE, BUT MAYBE NOT THE PRIME. UNLESS WE FIND OUT THROUGH INVESTIGATION THAT THE PRIME WAS OWE I DON'T WANT TO SAY IN ON IT, BUT NOT DOING THEIR JOB, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, ULTIMATELY IT'S VERY CLEAR IN OUR CODE TODAY, IT'S REALLY THE PRIME'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND WE HOLD OUR PRIMES PRETTY HARD-CORE TO THAT NOW. I WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT TOO MUCH. BUT I WOULD WANT THE GROUP TO TACKLE THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HAVING CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS AND OUR LABOR ORGANIZATIONS, I WOULD WANT THEM TO KIND OF HAMMER OUT THAT DETAIL. >> SPEARS: OKAY. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- SO THIS IS BEING MONITORED BY THE TWC AND THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR CURRENTLY. THIS WOULDN'T BE MAKING IT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE LEVEL? >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO THAT, TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN. I THINK WHAT'S PROPOSED, OUR INITIAL REVIEW IS CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH WHAT WE CAN OR ARE ALLOWED TO DO BY THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL. ON THESE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE WE STAYED WITHIN THOSE GUARDRAILS SO WHATEVER WE DO BRING BACK TO YOU IS A RECOMMENDATION WE KNOW IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, LEGAL. >> SPEARS: OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. [01:25:01] COUNCILWOMAN DR. KAUR? >> KAUR: YES. [INAUDIBLE]. >> RODRIGUEZ: COUNCILWOMAN WAS THAT YOUR COMMENTS? GOT YOU. >> KAUR: SORRY ABOUT THAT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> KAUR: ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATIONS AND FOR THE DISCUSSION. I AM GOING TO DO THE LAST TRAFFIC-CALMING FIRST -- I'LL START WITH TRAFFIC-CALMING BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN ALDERETE GAVITO SAID I'LL ECHO MY COLLEAGUES. THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE BIGGEST THING THAT WE GET AT THE DOORS AT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT GREAT SOLUTIONS. BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR THE SOLAR RADAR FEEDBACK SIGNS WITH THE SPEEDS ON THEM AND THERE WAS A BACK ORDER ON THEM, IT TOOK US OVER A YEAR TO GET ANY OF THOSE PROCESSED. SO IT IS, LIKE HER FRUSTRATION AROUND TIMING, WE ALL FEEL IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO ASIDE FROM LIKE GO FIND NEW CONTRACTORS TO GET US THESE MATERIALS TO PUT THESE SIGNS UP. BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING IT'S SO LOW COST AND AT THE SAME TIME WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC-CALMING PROJECTS. LIKE OUR OFFICE BASICALLY STARTED GOING OFF -- LET'S START WITH THE ONLINE SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY. YOU JUST MENTIONED THE ONLINE SYSTEM IS READY TO GO. WE CREATED -- OUR OFFICE CREATED A QR CODE ON OUR OWN WHICH INITIALLY WAS TOLD TO US BACK AND FORTH THAT WE CAN'T ACCEPT ONLINE SUBMISSIONS. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT CODE, STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT. SO DO WE HAVE A LINK READY TO SEND TO MY OFFICE FOR THAT? >> COUNCILWOMAN, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT LINK AND WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU. LIKE I SAID, WE SHOULD HAVE IT READY HERE TO GO. WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT HERE AND MY INTERNAL STAFF. >> KAUR: OKAY. JUST FOR PUBLIC'S SAKE, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR A REALLY LONG TIME NOW. I FEEL LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN A YEAR, BUT WE'VE JUST BEEN USING OUR OWN INTERNALLY, WHICH WE KIND OF -- BECAUSE WHEN WE LEAVE A DOOR HANGER AT THE DOOR WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO KNOCK WE LEAVE A QR CODE SO PEOPLE CAN GO AHEAD AND RESPOND. BUT THAT'S ONE SPECIFIC CHALLENGE FOR THAT. THE SECOND SPECIFIC CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS FOR QUICK BUILD. SO Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT QUICK BUILD SIGNIFICANTLY, AND I KNOW EVERY TIME WE BRING UP QUICK BUILD IN COMMITTEE MEETING WE TALK ABOUT THIS GRANT THAT WE JUST GOT, WHICH I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE HANDBOOK TO BE CREATED AND FOR FIVE PROJECTS TO BE SELECTED FROM THESE LARGE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR DOLLARS IN OUR OFFICES ON QUICK BUILD SOLUTIONS. SO AGAIN, AS-- I WOULD LOVE TO PUSH AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR US TO JUST HAVE A LARGE WORKSHOP ON WHAT QUICK BUILD COULD LOOK LIKE, EACH OF US BRING ALL OF THE -- I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO HAS SPACES IN HER CCR WHERE SHE WANTS TO IMPLEMENT IT AND SAY LET'S TRY IT, NOT BE SCARED TO PUT PLASTIC IN THE STREETS. BECAUSE IT IS MUCH CHEAPER AND IF IT GETS HIT BY A KAY IT'S OKAY, WE CAN REPLACE IT. CONCRETE IS SO EXPENSIVE AND TAKES SO LONG. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO, IF IT'S LUNCH AND LEARNS, WORKSHOPS, JUST WOULD LOVE TO SUBMIT PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE QUICK BUILD AND THREE MONTHS LATER, EVEN THREE MONTHS LATER, FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED. RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING LIKE A YEAR TO GET ANY FEEDBACK ON SOME OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE SUBMITTED. SO I DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS IN A PROCESS WITH THE QUICK BUILD GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE FOR THAT IS LIKE AND WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO. SO MY PUSH IS LET'S JUST ALLOW FOR US TO TRY THINGS. WE CAN ORDER MATERIALS AND IMPLEMENT THEM AND SEE HOW THEY GO WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS LONG-TERM STRATEGY OF BUILDING A HANDBOOK, DETERMINING FIVE SPOTS AND TESTING THEM THERE. LET'S LET OFFICES -- LET'S LET COUNCIL OFFICES, LET'S SEE SOME OF THE REAL BIG TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT IN JUST -- AND JUST LET'S TRY THEM. AS FAR AS THE SPEED LIMIT CONCERNS, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE GET THIS A LOT, BUT THE RADAR FEEDBACK SIGNS IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR. I'M HAPPY TO SEE WHAT THE PILOT DOES. HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DRIVE WHEREVER WE WANT TO DRIVE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SIGN SAYS, BUT HAPPY TO SEE IF THIS -- LIKE WAS SAID, THAT PROACTIVELY THIS MAKES A DIFFERENCE. WE DO HAVE TO WORK ON ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IF WE ADOPT, JUST THINK ABOUT IT, EVERYBODY KNOWS IF YOU GO INTO HELOTES IN A SCHOOL AND YOU SPEED, YOU'RE GOING TO GET HIT. THERE'S JUST CERTAIN AREA EVEN ALAMO HEIGHTS WE HAVE A REP. SO WE HAVE TO HELP CREATE [01:30:05] THAT SAME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SPEEDING. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT JUST WHAT OTHER TRAFFIC-CALMING SOLUTIONS WE CAN CREATE. WHEN WE HAVE THESE MASSIVE STREETS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE, YOU KNOW -- YES, THEY ALLOW FOR MORE SPEEDING THAN IF WE HAD BULB OUTS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW WITH THE GREEN LINE STUFF COMING UP. BUT ANYWAYS, ALL OF THAT. AND INTEGRITY IN LOCAL CONTRACTS, I LIKE THE PLAN AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THE CCR AND READY TO SEE HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL TAKE MOTIONS INDIVIDUALLY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR ITEMS 3 AND 5. WE'LL START WITH ITEM 3. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> SO MOVE FOR ITEM 3, THE PILOT PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY. >> SECOND. >> RODRIGUEZ: ALL IN FAVOR? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 5 ABOUT ENSURING INTEGRITY IN LOCAL CONTRACTS. >> SECOND. >> RODRIGUEZ: ALL IN FAVOR? >> RODRIGUEZ: WONDERFUL. SO THE TIME IS NOW 3:39. WE GOT THROUGH FIVE ITEMS IN AN HOUR AND 39 MINUTES. THANK Y'ALL. HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF THE DAY, AND SEE Y'ALL AT B SESSION. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.